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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome to Neurosis Neurosis, Neurosis Neurosis, That's Not Metal,

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your weekly rock and heavy music podcast. Today we are

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gathered here for the reviews Bag from March. We are

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going to be reviewing some of the mightiest, most expected

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and unexpected albums to have dropped from the metal and

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rock worlds this past month. And what a bag we

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have in store. In today's reviews bag, we have got

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the new albums from Neurosis, Poison, the Well, Lamb of God, Garihea,

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Hell Ripper, Aggressive Effector, Malavora, and Sweet Pill. My name

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is Perenhish, Sam Dignon and Elliott Paisley are here with

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me to do the honors. Hell of a week, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: I just Friday was ahead? Fuck?

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Speaker 3: I was so just primed to be like new Poison

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the World Day, Let's fucking go. This is the most

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long standing back and to spend album like. I as

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a point, I never thought we might ever get a

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new Poison the World record, and I was like yeah,

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hell yeah, and then Neuroses out of nowhere, like I

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never ever thought we would never have any Roses album

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ever again in terms of albums that it would seems

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like an impossibility to never ever happen. Neuroses were like

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high up on that list, and fuck me, this has

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just been a week of trying to like process that announcement,

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the album, dig into it.

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Speaker 2: I'm still, you know, like we'll get into it in

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the review.

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Speaker 3: But like, it's been fucking wild that that is a

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thing that's happened.

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Speaker 4: It's been a remarkably stressful weekly because we had let

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the reviews lined up and I was pretty I was

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pretty comfortable, and then I was just having some bruskis

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in the garden on a summer day, and then the

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news comes in on Friday there's a new Neurosis out

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and I've now got to dedicate the next week in

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hell for this thing. It's been a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry to Exodus, who'se album we were going

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to review, But sometimes someddy just steam rolls in right

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into the news first of all, and obviously the biggest

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news will park it for now because they've got a

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whole review of it later. But in terms of other news,

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it's also very exciting for us AFI have only gone

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and announced around their appearance at the Outbreak Slash All

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Points East show in London. They have gone and added

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a few more UK and European headline dates in the UK.

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the London All Points East appearance. And you know, when

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the All Points East thing was announced, that was AFI's

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first show announced in the UK since twenty seventeen, so

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nine years in terms of headline shows. These make it

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their first shows. I think it's since twenty ten. Like

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the Crash Love tour is the last time that I

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play KAY shows in a headline capacity. So this is

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basically what we were, like even more heavily asking for,

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isn't it bloody brilliant news?

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Manchester show just happens to land when I'm I just

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happened to be up in Manchester for big goth weekend.

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you know, festival show. But when you look at the

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settless af I've been doing on their recent US headline

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shows and how much they've been mixing things up and

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pulling up really cool deep cuts, the headline show was

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what we were really clamoring for, and we've got that

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now nice couple of action headline shows as say, The

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Cure on Friday, AFI on Saturday, and then bombing it

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Speaker 2: So that's going to be a lovely weekend. I am just.

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Speaker 3: So overjoyed that you, like you wait seventeen years for

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an AFI show and two come along at once.

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Speaker 2: What a treat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And this does mean, as you've said there,

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that later in the summer, when we have a couple

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of shows close together, we can almost bomb them together

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in an episode of like an impromptu like festival almost.

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that All Points E show. So yeah, the drought is thoroughly,

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know if Thursday have played two Thousand Trees before, but

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has been a Discharge, sub Humans and GBH tour announced

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for the UK in January actually of next year, but Discharge, Subhumans, GBH.

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you are a eighties nasty, grotty punk then that is

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the night for you. I thought we were getting a

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Weezer single today. All signs seemed to be teasing to

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announced some like US tours and stuff like that, but

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of that era, Sublime are putting out a new album.

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full stop, like they won't be putting out more after

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creative band. But they are describing as a sort of

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epilogue album. It's called Until the Sun Explodes, and it

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is with you know, Sublime current front man, who I

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believe is the son of the you know, the legendary

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deceased Sublime front man. So I have no stock in

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Sublime at all really, so you know, whether this turns

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out good or bad or whatever, But like in terms

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of names, you didn't expect to see appearing putting a

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new album out in twenty twenty six, because this is

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another head turner. I suppose it's not.

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Speaker 3: Quite Neurosis, But yeah, I guess when they came back

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to you do, you know, do those slam dunk shows

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kind of guess this was like Sublime about using like

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the official Sublime name.

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to do something a bit more with it. I don't again,

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I acquire a couple of Sublime tracks. I don't know,

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like if I'm excited over the prospect of a Sublime

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album in twenty twenty six. But good for them for

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at least, you know, having having something a bit extra

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to the reunion I guess, or sort of reunion.

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title and Forty Chances to Freedom, all time quality summer

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rock albums. I could care less about the material they

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did after that with Rome. The main problem with this,

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it's probably with the two singles they've released, is they've

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a syndym for spoiled, is what that means. It's not

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those Sublime records. So, you know, it's a very nice

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Speaker 1: Okay. There's also news that dmu Borget are coming back

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coming out on May the twenty second, and it has

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years from their album Abra had Abra Demi Borga only

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close off the new music news this week, Model Atras

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dropped a little EP called Swan Songs is a three

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track record. It consists of material that was you know,

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produced around the Pirouet album sessions from from from last year,

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that great album that you know we reviewed and came

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of the year stuff, all that good stuff. It as

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would There's a track on it called thank You by Dido,

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which is a like very tender ballad essentially all about

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the the grounding power of the song thank You by Dido,

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rather than being a cover which maybe you would have

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own right. Nonetheless, that is very quick roundup of the

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other news that happened this week. Before we get into reviews,

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I have to announced that we are doing album clubs

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hardcore world. It's Gorilla Biscuits and their albums start today.

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are going to be going balls deep into some gory

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death metal with Skinlesses foreshadowing our demise. So you have

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that to look forward to if you are a supporter

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to be a lot of fun that batch of albums.

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I have already revisited Temper Tempo and written my thesis

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get all into it. So join us over from the

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more time than that really on everything peripheral, because the

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because out of nowhere Neurosis an undying love for a

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burning world. Guys, what the fuck?

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seemed impossible that this band would ever again. I'm coming

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need and now now now the vibe is is very

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much right, and I'm gonna get into it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, this was just such a like hang on

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a second, and then there was just.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's Instagram story for like the next hour was everyone's

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posting the track on this Neurosis album, being like what

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the fucking and their announcement and you know, the festival

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announcement that Kemelong and just be like, oh my fucking good,

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what is what is happening?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: What? What are we doing right now? Like an insane

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couple of hours on.

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Speaker 1: Friday, The very first thing anything Euros to see that

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I saw was Sam you messaged are like host you know,

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group chat. And when I saw that message and it

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didn't actually you know, you didn't say exactly what had happened,

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You just mentioned Eurosis. My brain immediately went to Steve

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von Till must have died, because that seemed more likely

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than a new neuroseulb was suddenly appearing, you know, so

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it was quite a rush of emotions to realize that

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wasn't what had happened.

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Speaker 2: My bad, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever been more bowled over by

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news of the album in my genuinely my entire life.

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The only thing I can think of that comes close

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is when I was when I was thirteen, within like

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two weeks of really getting into my Bloody Valentine, I

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went on YouTube and it was just a new album,

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right yeah, just like wait, what, no, hang on, this

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is it? It just makes your headspin. This is a

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band that I've loved for well over half my life,

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and I've had such a huge impact on me, just

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as as a listener to just suddenly one yeah, and

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you're sitting in the garden having a beer and then

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you check your phone. It's like there's new neurosis out,

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like with Aaron Turner. No less, it's just it's it's

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if there's a more baffling thing that happens this year,

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I don't know if I want to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's possibly the most flabbergasted I've been at

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an album just falling right into my lap that I

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can recollect. I was like I was at the supermarket

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and I got home and the album had been released

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about twenty minutes earlier, and I just like I had

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something approximating a bodily meltdown, you know, like I had

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to just like sit down, put the album on as

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quickly as I could fucking get the shopping away, and

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you know, as it was playing, I just stared at

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my screen for like an hour, you know, with my

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eyes basically brimming because the emotional concoction of what you

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had to unpack there, the surprise, the disbelief combined with

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you know that the album that I was hearing was

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of such quality was just like momentarily overwhelming. I think

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it's rare as a music fan, honestly, that you get

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the rush of combined emotions that so many of us

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got last Friday, and looking out to see that everyone

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else was feeling it too, and it was a communal thing.

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I think that was a real moment that we all

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experienced there. You know the backstory of this for anyone

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who might not be so o feian neurosis and why

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this meant so much. Neurosis are not merely a good

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band who went away. They are arguably the best band,

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like they're legend their artistic standard. I would say, with

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the possible exception of Corn, they're probably the most important

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metal band of the last thirty five years. They're basically

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the inventors of post metal, like every band under that

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banner just you know, bows to them. Without Neurosis, then

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the landscap that we know of converge mastered on Cult

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of Lunar Wolves in the Throne Room, Slip knot isis Oathbreaker,

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full of Hell, Chelsea Wolf Sepultura Tool. None of it

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happens the same way, acts as far away from each

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other as machine Head and Primordial taking influence from Neurosis.

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What Neurosis did to break down and renit the pieces

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of heavy music in the nineteen nineties is as notable

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a revolutionary moment in metal's history as any other. They

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are the elite of the elite when it comes to

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heavy music. You pit any band to ever play it

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against Neurosis and you go, oh, this band is clearly

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much better than them, and you have to have a

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serious conversation about it. And they were always brilliant, like

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they never fell off it took until their previously final album,

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Fires within Fires in twenty sixteen for people to go

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abd This one just kind of feels like merely a

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good Neurosis album thirty years into their career and it

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was still like one of a kind and pretty fantastic.

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And maybe this is more a dark Horse pick, but

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the album before that on a fan decay, is like

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possibly a top five Neuroses album for me personally, pound

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for pound, they are a contender to have the all

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round best catalog of any heavy band. They were a peerless, unparalleled,

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earth shattering, game changing live band, and then it all

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fell apart in what appeared to us as an instant

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when in twenty twenty two, Scott Kelly, one of the

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two co frontmen of this band, made a public statement

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that he had for a long time been engaging in

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the abuse of his family and was stepping back from

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music immediately. The rest of Neurosis corroborated that they had

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learned of this in twenty nineteen and had cut ties

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with him then and you chose to respect the privacy

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of his family and had in essence been basically sort

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of disbanded for three years already with the pandemic years

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there in between, obviously accounting for what from the outside

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was the perceived inactivity of the band. And that was that,

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like suddenly, the name of one of the most irreproachable

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artists in our world was marred in a lot of

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grossness and tragedy and high and rather than try to

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pick up the pieces immediately, the rest of Neurosis chose

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to sink away into the background. And Scott Kelly, I

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don't think you would really say that he was like

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any more or less important than anyone else in the band.

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Like Neurosis aren't one of those bands who are driven

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by a primary creative figure. They are a collective. But

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for whatever reason, maybe his guest appearances with the likes

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of Mastered On, maybe it's just that he stood center

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stage at their shows. He was the most widely recognizable

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member of Neurosis. The last time Neurosis changed a member

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within the core band was when Noah Landis, the current

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synthesizer player, joined in nineteen ninety five, and enough time

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passed that as he was saying, I think we all

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just naturally assume that Neurosis had been laid to rest.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the thing with me. It was a

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couple of years ago exactly. But when Jason Rohader drummer

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said he'd retired, yeah, it's like I'm done. I'm retired,

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I'm done. And that was for me, that was that

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was the net, that was the fun. Now I was like, well,

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that's it, Like the whole school kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Was that bad?

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Speaker 3: And again like that that is one of those things

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where like well, like the greatest artistics or bands of

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the time have their reputation completely tirred because of one moment.

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Speaker 2: Because he's sort of like the figurehead that is.

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Speaker 3: Like the recognized one, it becomes so difficult to grapple with.

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And obviously when it's the voice you're hearing for a

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lot of it, when you put on for fans, that's

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a difficult thing.

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Speaker 2: And then when like another one of your sort ofple.

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Speaker 3: Members says, yep, I'm retired, just you just don't see again,

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how as you say, Neurosis were that unit. They were

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those creative minds together. How you don't just kind of

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replace that. So it it felt so final that Neurosis

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were gone, and then again out of nowhere they are

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a band again.

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Speaker 2: But it was, like I say it really did feel

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like an impossible thing.

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Speaker 4: Even then. It's you know, even if hypertheestically the stuff

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with Scott Kelly hadn't happened. Eurosis were an old band

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when the last record came out, do you know what

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I mean? It's like they were reaching the point in

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their career from an outsider where they're probably going to

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slow down anyway. So it's like, there's this thing happens.

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They essentially disband the drummers says he's retired, there's no

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word of activity. And the longer it goes on, it

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starts to go, well, you know, neuro's been around for

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over forty years now, like it's it just becomes less

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and less likely the longer it takes, and the circumstances

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where it would be possible and who they could get

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and all those things, it just i'd I'll be honest,

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I never really stopped listening to them, but I completely

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discounted and accept that there'd be ever there'd ever be

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more music.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was fucking sad man because obviously, the

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primary feeling is one for Scott Kelly's victims, and I

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sincerely hope that they are in a safer environment now

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than they were then, but you know, on our part

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of engaging with the music. I also I never pulled

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any kind of like barrier over listening to Neurosis due

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to the extremely admirable way that the rest of the

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band just cut him out and made no excuses for

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him immediately. But it did feel like we lost Neurosis

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a few years, like, not just as an active band,

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but as the idea of the band that we loved

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and he kind of held up. You know, it was

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tainted in some way. Maybe weren't publicly declaring your love

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for Neurosis in the same way, And whether Neurosis had

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decided to, you know, pick it up and continue what

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was there, you know, all of their lives work or

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themselves decided that maybe it was tainted and maybe now

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is the time for it to end. I would have

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supported that either way, because it's it's a tough call,

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you know. But last Friday, Neurosis emerged and announced all

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at once their reformation, their first live showback, which is

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going to be at the Fire in the Mountains festival

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in the US. I believe it's labeled as a worldwide exclusive,

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so I wouldn't go running to your UK promoters just yet,

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but you never know what will happened after that that

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the co vocalist and guitarist position had been filled by

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Aaron Turner, the frontman of Sumac and Old Man Gloom

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and the former front man of Isis, themselves one of

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the single most important heavy bands in this lane of

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the twenty first century, which is one of those picks

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so mad it sounds like one of those better Lovers

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esque bits of unrealistic fancasting, And that they have an

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entire new album, not just in the world, not just

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coming out soon here's a release date, but right there,

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right now, available to it straight away. And if anything

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in our niche sub corner of underground heavy music has

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the capability to you know, to use that old term

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of breaking the Internet, it's surely that even thinking like,

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you know who produced this, because Steve Albini produced every

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Neurosis album from nineteen ninety nine onwards and he's now dead,

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like so much has changed in that time, and obviously

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Neuroses have been working for so long that they know

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what they want their reckords to sound like. But I

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think just that accounts for the frantic emotions last week

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of like Hey, we're back with Aaron Turner would be

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one thing. Hey, we've got an album on the horizon

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would be one thing. All great news, but the brain

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breaking news that the album was immediately out the second

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we even learned that they were considering doing Neurosis again,

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and it was over an hour long, much longer than

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the last album they put out. Everyone was just listening

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to this album on Friday thinking like, how is this real?

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Like surely this can't be real, Like, imagine right now,

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whoever your favorite band is, whoever you consider to be

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like the pinnacle of artistry in heavy music, this same

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situation playing out, and how you would feel and to

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be this hush hush about it. Well, like normally if

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there's a surprise drop, then some degree of the industry

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might be in the know. But for months, however long

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it's taken to bring all this together, everyone outside of

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like directly producing and then releasing the records eased to

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have had no idea.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing that blew my mind the most is

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that nothing this is. I can't think of someone where

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like there's been this where there's been no teas or

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inkling or sort of no one knew, like no one

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knew anything obviously that they kept it so lockdown in

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this Internet age where everything gets out there and everything leaks,

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and you know, people use VPNs to get abouns and

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all that shit in advance, but that shit happens. But like,

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I can't believe that this was just complete lockdown. They

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had this shit lockdown so tight to just provide the

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perfect magic moment of just like everyone learning or all

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at once at the same time. And again, like I

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was a couple minutes from my lunch break when this

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album dropped.

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, that's my lunch break sorted.

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Speaker 3: I've got to take an extra five minutes on it.

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But I need to figure I need to sit down

475
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,559
in the office and figure out what the fuck is

476
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:20,039
going on, because the biggest surprise I think that could

477
00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:22,079
have possibly happened this year. There are no bands I

478
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,880
think who could coding inactive that could be so quiet

479
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,759
and suddenly just out of nowhere like not exist and

480
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:32,000
then suddenly existing the most complete way. It's not just

481
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:34,640
you know, like I say, like if they said we're back,

482
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,880
that would have caused enough for a freak out, Like yeah,

483
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,920
like if you're break it down to any one factor

484
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,799
of this, it would have caused nothing a figure but the.

485
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:43,599
Speaker 2: Fact the album was there, it was real and we could.

486
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: Go and listen it straight away, like it was the

487
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,240
one of the most kind of like I don't even

488
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,880
know what I'm listening to you. I couldn't quite kind

489
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,519
of like take in the album because it was still

490
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:54,319
just kind of like, it's the most surreal experience I've

491
00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:56,599
had listening to an album in god knows how I

492
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,720
genuinely covering the last time I've kind of felt dizzied

493
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,400
and kind of like as of like, you know, the

494
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,960
head fuck apason, You've made me feel like German. I

495
00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:05,480
was listening to it like this is most kind of

496
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,160
just confused, just by the sheer existence of it. I've

497
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,200
been by an album god knows how long, and I

498
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,799
think it's because neuroses have operated the way they have

499
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:14,880
for so long.

500
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:17,559
Speaker 4: Not only are they is their story so singular now

501
00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,480
that they're the only band this could happen for They're

502
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,440
one of the only bands that could feasibly do it.

503
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,319
Because if you're on a label or you know, connected

504
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,400
to some sort of management firm or whatever it is,

505
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,160
if you're not working as independently as neuroses have for

506
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,400
you know, approaching three decades now. Like they say, something

507
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,960
gets out, someone leaks, if someone whispers, or some even

508
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,480
just someone who's really like paying attention will say, oh,

509
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,519
they've just started working this booking agent. They're gonna be

510
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:42,720
doing shut Anything like that would have been some kind

511
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,799
of hiccup and a leak, and it would at least

512
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:46,160
put it on your radar, even if you don't know

513
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,720
what it is, just getting all the information and it

514
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:53,400
being basically a dream scenario for a fan of this

515
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:57,000
band all at once. And I mean I didn't go

516
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:58,880
and listen to the record straight away because, like I say,

517
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,359
I was having a beer in the guar. I gave

518
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,920
myself a bit of ordinarily like zero point five yoch

519
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,680
to seconds before I hit play on this thing. But

520
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,000
like as it was, I wanted to say something nicely

521
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,759
and it's that thing. It's that it was so surreal

522
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,599
and I was really drinking in because I was going

523
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,440
I don't know if this will ever could ever happen again,

524
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:21,400
this exact set of circumstances, or not even this exact

525
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,319
set of circustance, but it's something even akin to this,

526
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,640
I don't know, how it happens twice.

527
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would just like to say, like everyone

528
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,319
who actually did know in terms of the industry, like

529
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,480
for example, the fire in the mountains, people who have

530
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:34,680
you know, put together this first new registrate back or

531
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,519
you know, people working for destroyers like Evil Greed or

532
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:39,279
whatever who are like handling you know, the vinyl or

533
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,880
the album. Like fucking props to all of you, because

534
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,720
I think the fact that you know, no one did

535
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,680
go out and sort of spoil it just meant that

536
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,039
that rush of emotions on Friday was like beyond anything else.

537
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,839
So like, you know, genuinely, like mastly because imagine sitting

538
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,240
on that information, but like.

539
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 3: You understand the gravitas of the situation that I think

540
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,880
that's just it is because neuroses aren't an ordinary badge.

541
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: You have to respect the situation exactly.

542
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 4: Even Aaron Turner not saying like, you know, they've been

543
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,839
his favorite band for the thirty and you can't tell

544
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:10,279
anyone that you were in your favorite band. Impossible.

545
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's genius as well that what

546
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:15,359
it did is it bypassed all of the like none

547
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,440
of us wants Scott Kelly to come back to the band.

548
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,279
But if they'd announced their new lineup first with no

549
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,079
music yet, you might have had some of the conversation of, like,

550
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,680
you know, will it be the same without that classic lineup,

551
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,039
But by having the album right there, they just shut

552
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:30,640
down all of that immediately, because, let's get into it.

553
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,240
We were all learning of this and then suddenly having

554
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,559
this mammoth of a record immediately in front of us

555
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:39,039
to digest this album, you know, does have understandable and

556
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,000
obvious differences with the previous lineup, but it's also every

557
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:44,880
bit worthy of the Neurosis title and the processing of

558
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,400
the information. Not only they were back, not only was

559
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920
the album good, but for a lot of people might

560
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,079
actually be in some cases, like some of the hardest

561
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,440
they have hit in a while, Like some of this

562
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,599
is like the most extreme aggressive Neurosis material in like

563
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,680
twenty five plus years, and they're dipping into these flavors

564
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,160
that we haven't heard so strongly from Neurosis in a

565
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,359
long time. This is not some obligated comeback where they

566
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,960
need it to just restart their careers or whatever. Like

567
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:13,480
this record is fucking urgency. Even the parts where it

568
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:17,759
is slow and patient, it's driven by this innate need

569
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,319
to get out this together to you know, this is

570
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,400
people who have sat on these emotions and this form

571
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,319
of musical catharsis for longer than the otherwise would and

572
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,519
then roaring back with it. It's called an undying love

573
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,880
for a burning world, which you should take in that

574
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,319
title for a second if you haven't already, because sometimes neurosis,

575
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,640
what they're actually talking about might almost seem a little

576
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,759
more kind of out of reach. But this is I

577
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:43,240
think about as upfront as they've ever been in you know,

578
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,559
this being a record for a time of crisis, both

579
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,519
for them personally and the story of the band, but

580
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,440
more broadly, it's not even you know, self centeredly about them,

581
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,799
but it's about us all. It's you know, the state

582
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,519
of the human species in the digital age, on the

583
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,279
precipice of environmental collapse, shut off from one another. Arts

584
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,519
with an intro track called we Are Torn Wide Open,

585
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:07,400
which opens as like jarringly as an neurosis record has opened,

586
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,680
maybe ever, certainly in a long time, with these voices

587
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,200
just straight away yelling at you the separation that burns

588
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,440
our hearts is the root of all our disease. We've

589
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,039
forgotten how to live, so we suffer. We forgotten we

590
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:22,079
are wild, so we suffer. We exist in isolation, so

591
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,119
we suffer. And then repeating the dissonance is deafening. The

592
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,720
dissonance is deafening. And it is this expulsion of like

593
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,200
pent up madness and frustration that really ends up being

594
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,160
sort of like the calling car for the record.

595
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is for you know, any kind of long

596
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,160
seven legcy band you expect a later aud in their

597
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,680
career to not maybe sound the most vital.

598
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,559
Speaker 2: And kind of live wise thing.

599
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,279
Speaker 3: And again obviously this is you know, sludgey post mel

600
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,119
but this hit M play on this and your grip

601
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,519
by this like insane layering of vocals and again that

602
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,480
that we've forgot how to die, so we suffer like

603
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,400
that sort of stuff.

604
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: It's so de souring.

605
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,319
Speaker 3: But the media I was, I'm in I again like

606
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,559
that convisically the appas, but I was kind of like

607
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:05,960
I have to just kind of hang off this.

608
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: There have been things where having almost feeling a little

609
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,960
bit more jaded.

610
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: Towards you know, music at the moment, like a'll tell

611
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,480
music because of what's going on in certain eras of

612
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:14,519
metal and all that, and it and then I hit

613
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,000
pound this and I was like, this is why we

614
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:18,400
do it, this is why, this is what we come

615
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640
to like. And again I said to someone who has

616
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,640
listened the first couple of euros to records, love them

617
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,720
and have it and have a gap in there, this

618
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,920
is a monument of a record that even again after

619
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,319
one week then and a couple of listens dent it

620
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,680
is an hour plus long.

621
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:34,319
Speaker 2: I am obsessed with this.

622
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,119
Speaker 3: I think this album for the moment hit play until

623
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,200
the end of again well again, but the seventeen minute closer.

624
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,839
There is not a second of this album that I

625
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,519
would not that shouldn't exist. I think this album is

626
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,160
un fucking believable because again you get what you're t

627
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,079
wide open and it's insane, and then that riff on

628
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,000
mirror deep hits and it is the heaviest thing in

629
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,359
the goddamn universe.

630
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like, album, yeah.

631
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,359
Speaker 4: It's it's You're right. Neuros is the way they open

632
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,960
their records. They're always striking, often slower. There's often layering

633
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,759
things up and building and building and building, and then

634
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:12,839
it kind of punches through a couple of minutes in

635
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:15,599
this just being fifty two seconds of shouting. It's like

636
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,079
something that crass or throbbing gristle would do, which is like,

637
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:20,920
it's that's always been in euroses DNA. Yeah, we're hearing

638
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,160
it that up front on a late career record and

639
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,279
an ALM under these circumstances. I was not prepared for that,

640
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,720
and you saying you're completely drawn in, ready for the

641
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:35,799
dam to break. And then when Mirror Deep kicks off again,

642
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,559
like not that I was going in schedule because I

643
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,440
love everyone involved with this. They're one of my favorite bands.

644
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,880
But if there was any even atom of me going

645
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,240
like is it going to be the same? Am I

646
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,000
going to get the same feeling from this that I

647
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,079
got from those classic records? It evaporated on contact with

648
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,839
Mirror Deep because the way a that riff comes in

649
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,559
and you go, well, where can you even go from there?

650
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,559
And then with the repetitions and there's those low backing

651
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,000
vocal punctual vocals are so cool, yeah, and that thing

652
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,400
that I don't know what it's saying with that sort

653
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,519
of high pitch shrieking thing that keeps coming in and

654
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,680
it's the trade off between that and the low vocal. Again,

655
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,799
it's just something which that riff is amazing already, but

656
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:17,559
so quickly. You know. This is why Neurosis are so

657
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:19,400
important and why they're so brilliant. It is because this

658
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,680
is not a song, however many pretenders are. This is

659
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,720
not a song that any of their copycats could write,

660
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:26,640
because the genius of the layering and the textures, the

661
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,839
tambers they choose, it's all so radically apparent in the

662
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:33,480
first twenty five seconds and there's still over sixty minutes

663
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,160
of musics.

664
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: Ago, yeah, and then it gives you a brief minute

665
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,680
of pause, and when the band smack back into the

666
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,440
second half, it's even nastier and grimier and more purposed

667
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,480
and more terrifying, and that's the first time you get

668
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:50,759
Aaron's really distinctive voice as well. Scott Kelly and Steve

669
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,480
von tild together on the Old and Euross records. They

670
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,079
were a funny band in terms of like the co

671
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,559
vocalist approach, because they weren't one of those bands where

672
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,480
each of them was assigned like a clear you know

673
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,240
that you do the high as you do the lows whatever.

674
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,680
The Neurosis effect was a little bit more like a

675
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,279
two headed beast, like they seem to almost mirror each

676
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:10,559
other enough that they felt like extensions really of like

677
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:14,640
the same organism. Steve on Till and Aaron Taylor actually

678
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,799
do sound very different, and Steve on Till is like

679
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,960
the for me on this He's the familiar voice of

680
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,559
Neurosis of old you know, while Aaron Taylor his voice

681
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,720
is Aaron Turner even sorry, his voice is is much

682
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:32,200
more like best You'll like. His is the thick, growling

683
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,200
voice that you imagine on most like modern post metal records,

684
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,039
because Isis is obviously a big, you know, purveyor of

685
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
that style and he's got one of the best of

686
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:43,839
those type voices like so enormous, so powerful. And I

687
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:45,680
guess another emotional side of this is that you know,

688
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:49,759
Isis are many people's favorite post metal band. And yes,

689
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,359
he's got Sumac and he's got old Mangloom, but musically

690
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,599
something traditionally closer to the post metal idea Isis haven't

691
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,640
released an album since twenty eleven, so there's something really

692
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400
amazing hearing him back on a record like this as well.

693
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,400
If you have you know that emotional attachment to the music,

694
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,880
even if you know Neurosis don't sound or feel like

695
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,559
any other band and He also introduces a new melodic

696
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:13,000
sensibility at times as well, like there's a sun vocal

697
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,720
melody towards the end of First Red Rays that I'm

698
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,039
assuming must be Aaron because it doesn't really sound like

699
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,920
Neurosis melodies before, and it works and it fits the

700
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:25,519
vibe and you are hearing you know, these fresh musical

701
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:28,440
textures in the form of you know, Aaron's influence come

702
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,279
into this forty year old band. How did you find

703
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:34,680
that he fits as the most obvious change on this well,

704
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,319
like you know.

705
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: Is is another one of my probably number two post

706
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,559
metal band for me, and the band that again very

707
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,480
important to me and I've loved them for a long time.

708
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,440
It's it's interesting because their approach is quite different from Eurosis.

709
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,839
If you put them on side by side, there's the

710
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:50,920
same genre, but they're not really the same kind of thing.

711
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,240
Isis is more than the glacial, the atmospheric kind of

712
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,200
close to post rock rather than the hardcore and the

713
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:01,680
various things that fold into Eurosis sound. But his voice

714
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,400
is always the most extreme element of that band, and

715
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,200
it's not quite been so much on the later Sue

716
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,800
Mac and Old Mangloom records, So hearing him not just

717
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,199
bring that You're using all the words I've written down, bestial, enormous,

718
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,239
all of that stuff. Him bringing that back and being

719
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,119
on something much nastier and more extreme. It's a kind

720
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,360
of a beautiful thing where you go Aaron Turner's I've

721
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,480
never heard him do something like this, and he's so

722
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:28,559
well suited to it, and him getting to do it

723
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,000
in the band that inspired him to do it in

724
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,880
the first place. You're right, like, you know, Scott Kelly

725
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,000
as a musical personality is enormous and it was a

726
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,320
huge part of those classic Neurosis records, or really any

727
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,800
of them. So there's always gonna be doubts about that.

728
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:46,199
But I think Aaron Turner probably sensing the you know,

729
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,760
the demands being put on him. And we'll get to

730
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,840
there's a performance later in this record which just fucking

731
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:56,280
blew my hair back, but he steps up and he

732
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,920
fits in perfectly. Like it doesn't feel like Neurosis with

733
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,119
Aaron Turner, like Sublime with Rome or whatever. It's like, No,

734
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,199
this is this feels like the act too of Neurosis.

735
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Ice is one of those bands I've

736
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:12,480
never really gone in on, so I don't have much

737
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:14,440
kind of like context on that. I do like I

738
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,480
should listen to them at some point properly, but to me,

739
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:19,519
it just kind of just feels just such a natural

740
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,000
part of what I kind of know the sound of

741
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:22,599
Neurosis to be.

742
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: I do agree that there's something more kind of.

743
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: Like it's a best your and frost bout it, but

744
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,840
it's still very like human in its kind of emotion

745
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,239
at the same time, and the kind of like despair

746
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,159
and anguish and anger that he can feed through it.

747
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,360
But it just he just feels like such a kind

748
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,159
of natural like fit into what.

749
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: The sound of Neurosis are.

750
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: And again I'm guessing because Ice is being, you know,

751
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,519
a similar minded post Mail band, it's not a huge leap,

752
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:47,920
but yeah, I was kind of like, yeah, this, this

753
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000
seems like what I would want a Neurosis record in

754
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,480
twenty twenty six to sound like.

755
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: And he is as natural fit as you could possibly be.

756
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he brings more of the modern idea of post

757
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,159
metal is obviously, like the modern idea of post metal

758
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,440
is basically based on like Isis and cod of Luna

759
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:09,840
and that sort of you know, feel and sound, whereas

760
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,599
Neurosis is so kind of strange and rustic and sort

761
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,880
of mystical and like unlike any other thing. He brings

762
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,119
that kind of more contemporary post metal edge into Neurosis,

763
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,880
but it doesn't like sand out those things that make

764
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Neurosis special. You know, Like if Neuroses have come back

765
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,880
and they just sound like any fucking like post you know,

766
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,480
ices cot Lunary sort of post metal band, that'd be

767
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,400
such a That'd be such a shame, you know, because

768
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,719
Neurosis are so singular. But I'm impressed with how much

769
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,079
he is very much himself and feels of himself. But

770
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,880
while you know, letting Neurosis be neurosis essentially, you know,

771
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,480
and like I said, Steve brings that like familiar emotional

772
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:48,239
anchor if you have already you know, connected with Neurosis before.

773
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,880
And like his power moments when like all of that

774
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,519
sort of existential frustration of the record forces out of him,

775
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:57,000
like in Mirror Deep, when he does that we have

776
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,800
lost our way. One of the best songs on this

777
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,000
is blind and the like find our way through the

778
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,360
fields we have sown part the way he carries and

779
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,800
moves that like pained pit of his stomach melody as

780
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,159
the band around him is like swaying and creaming in

781
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,000
this like damaged grieving sort of way is so heavy.

782
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:20,800
And then the sorrow that comes out of through that

783
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,519
as well, that kind of like two thousands era, you know,

784
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:27,400
sun that never sets eye of every storm, particularly kind

785
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,760
of feel is like just a direct line into my heart.

786
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,519
And one thing that really like also blew my mind

787
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:34,840
early on is on top of the sheer primordial power

788
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,519
of the band and the orientation of the vocals, Noah Landis,

789
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:42,440
the electronics guy, is like swarming all over this record,

790
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:44,960
and I guess it's there from the moment that mirror

791
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,679
deep Rift comes in, you go, what the fuck is

792
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:48,639
all of this shit happening around this rift as well?

793
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,039
And I guess I could wagh, I could maybe to

794
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,159
relate to someone who's like, you know, not so much

795
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,280
Neurosis fan is. It's kind of like Deaftones, where there

796
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,239
are some records where Frank Delgado takes a back seat

797
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,000
and somewhere he's really front and center. He's always there,

798
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:03,880
And for Neurosis, this is like one of the more

799
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,880
like stand up records in terms of the use of

800
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,559
that element, because he creates this terrifying effect with like

801
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:14,119
the crackling, breaking down sound waves and stuff, along with

802
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:17,000
these really serene, beautiful parts that lean on this record

803
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:21,800
into more like overtly synthesized the Neurosis normally seem to

804
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,559
do like the beginning of First Red Rays and then

805
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,880
the second half of Blind with these like synth chords

806
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,320
are really weighty and beautiful. There is like it feels

807
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,239
like a more like electronic keyboard heavy record than again

808
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,599
when I described that, you use that word rustic or whatever,

809
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:40,400
you feel Neurosis is very organic, very of the earth.

810
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,119
But without losing that, they've also got a lot more

811
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,519
of those like overtly you know, synth heavy flavors.

812
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,119
Speaker 3: On this Those simps at the start of the first

813
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,079
red Rays, they are so like glistening you just.

814
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,639
Speaker 2: Can like glide along them.

815
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: And again it kind of just that lures you into

816
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,239
force in security because again when the guitars hit, it's

817
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,079
so but yeah, such a like unique atmosphere is where

818
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,559
they've always kind of like lurking around and sometimes they

819
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,400
are quite pretty, but the other times, like Blind, where

820
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,639
it just piles on this eerie darkness. I Blind is

821
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,039
one of my friends songs as well, because it's it's

822
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,039
it's so kind of like unsettling in just how anguished

823
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:17,800
and like the vocals having that real kind of like

824
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,719
slurred edge to them. It's not like, don't rush to

825
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,440
get anywhere, but it's so captivating the entire time and

826
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:27,880
every element that they pile on, whether it is the synths,

827
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,840
the guitars, it always feels like these it's moving these

828
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,599
songs in interesting directions. So again, even when they're you know,

829
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,559
eight nine, ten minutes long, there's always a new discovery

830
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,960
to kind of like fine where even they're looping and

831
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,400
refround again suddenly they've added a synthh to it that

832
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,519
that just spices up a little bit, and it keeps

833
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:50,199
these songs feeling so evolving over the entire like run time.

834
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,320
And I think it's such a like marshalk of every

835
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,519
memory of this band kind of being perfectly in sync

836
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:56,079
with each other.

837
00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 4: We have no Onah Larandis. I think he's maybe the

838
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,320
most overlooked member of Neurosis in the sense that you know,

839
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,440
all the guys have such a distinct role and are

840
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,840
so acclaimed at the thing they do. No Alance, you don't

841
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,639
hear his name mentioned all that much, but you meant,

842
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:12,360
you know when you said he joined ninety ninety five

843
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,719
within next year. It's through Silver and Blood, which is

844
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,320
where whether your favorite album is. That's when Neurosis become

845
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,920
Neurosis and I kind of become the legendary band that

846
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,840
we see them as now. And I'm amazed on this record,

847
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,519
particularly because from what I read, this album was basically assembled.

848
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,039
There were three consecutive weekends, so they were like jamming

849
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,400
a lot, recording things. Kind of it's quite improvisational record

850
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:37,880
in some parts. Un blind, I think you can really

851
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,039
hear that. It's not surprising, and him being so impressive

852
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,679
on this album is almost more impressive because of that,

853
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,760
because if you're the synth guy and the samples and

854
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,360
you know all the textual stuff, you of the most

855
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,840
in a sense artistic freedom of anyone in the band,

856
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,800
because it's completely up to you what you do in

857
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,239
the way that it's not necessarily the same for a

858
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,679
guitarist or a drummer or a vocalist. You can either

859
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,320
you can even just not be there if you don't

860
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,159
want to. Him being so radically apparent across this record

861
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,199
and being so inventive and elevating these songs are already

862
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,679
brilliant and finding space for him. Again, it's just little

863
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,280
things where there's loads in Eurosis copycats. Why can't they

864
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,920
do the thing they do? And it's having someone like

865
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,840
Noah Landis in your band who understands what to add

866
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,480
and how and how to just make these things that

867
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,880
sound bizarre but beautiful. It just it takes it to

868
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,840
a whole different level.

869
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And how they interact with the rest of the band,

870
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,079
like that the mid section of First Red Rays when

871
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,199
they hit that like heartrending kind of wandering clean passage

872
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:43,000
is stunning. The back part of Blind when it does

873
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,239
the starved eyes refrain, and again the texture around like

874
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,280
those voices is so incredible. And they have this like

875
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,719
just this this delicacy that they counteract their like ungodly

876
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,039
heaviness with. But it also comes through on the extreme end.

877
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,519
And for that, we've got to talk about seething and scattered,

878
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:03,239
which that fucking riff gave me like edge of my seat,

879
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,760
I'm about to go down from the top of the

880
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,239
roller coaster anxiety before it had even fully started. The

881
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,199
neurosis like peak post metal thing of each member of

882
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,920
the band as like another limb of this many armed

883
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,559
leviathing if you want to understand heavy without actually having

884
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,880
to go overboard on it and distorting the fuck out

885
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,159
of it or whatever. That song My God, and the

886
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,079
vocals are even more like there are literally more voices

887
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,639
in the midst because you've got Dave Edwondson the Bassis

888
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,920
coming in with vocals as well, doing that dwells deep

889
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,880
inside us again, pounding these like existential mantras coming at

890
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,599
you from all angles, and when they bring the fucking

891
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:41,440
hammer down at the very end of it, and that

892
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:45,639
extreme sound manipulation feedback that we're talking about there, that

893
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,480
squawlling metal. That's the kind of flavor that I associate

894
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:53,199
with through Silver in Blood Neurosis, which was like a

895
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,519
different ballgame that was a lifetime ago, you know, like

896
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:59,079
Neurosis at their most antagonistic and barbed, which felt like

897
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,159
a style that they had evolved past. Like if you

898
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,599
only know, for example, through Silver in Blood erein Neurosis,

899
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,599
then the level of like pretty and you know, sort

900
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:10,119
of leisurely that they reach in the mid two thousands

901
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:13,119
might feel quite you know, startling to you, but it

902
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,800
comes back at the end song and It's just like

903
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:18,960
nauseatingly heavy, and it just gave me that like shit

904
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,239
my pants feel that I haven't got from a record

905
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,159
in this lane. And I don't know how long since,

906
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,599
you know, fucking the last time neuroses were doing this.

907
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean seeing and scared.

908
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 3: It's like you can trace the routes back to like

909
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,480
the hardcore and there were like again that phart a bit.

910
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,679
It is a breakdown, but it is the most like

911
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,519
skull crashing and like genuinely frightening breakdown I think I've

912
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,199
heard in god knows how long That vocal trade offit

913
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:44,800
where they're all just yelling over each other is crazy.

914
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,719
And like that opening rift is so just like mangled

915
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,199
and horrifying, where you like in efferent content. This can

916
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,039
always been quite a rocking rift, but neuroses make it scary.

917
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,679
And again I love the middle section, where again it

918
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,199
goes into the kind of like spacey droning Simpson. You

919
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,239
get these kind of like tribal drum pad and stuff

920
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,559
coming in and like this song just there's like.

921
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,119
Speaker 1: The sci fi sense I'm talking about. It's like that's

922
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,039
a weird keyboard sound that you wouldn't think to put

923
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:11,559
in Eurosis and yeah it works.

924
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: There And this is all within one song, how many

925
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,559
different kind of like genres and styles and feelings. It's

926
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:20,039
one's and moves through, but it's always just so antagonistic

927
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,320
and menacing that I'm just kind of like this song

928
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,719
has more ideas. Again, it's more ideas in this single

929
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,039
song than countless bands having entire albums that.

930
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: They did this over a couple of weekends, like jamming album,

931
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,360
like how can you operate up?

932
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,679
Speaker 3: This feels like it's something that's been poured over and

933
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,039
labeled over to sound perfect. Get that guitar to and

934
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:39,960
spot on, get all this sympings up. But it's like

935
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,679
it just seems to come so naturally to them, and

936
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,719
like it's just mind blowing.

937
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:49,519
Speaker 4: And then there's a voice on this song who and

938
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:51,280
I don't know who it is. I think it's Aaron,

939
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:53,079
but I'm not sure because I've never heard him sound

940
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:57,400
like that, But it sounds like Aaron, who sounds so

941
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:01,239
unhuman when he lets that raw happen. But he goes

942
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,719
into a sort of like Captain ahab Register, like Mad Preacher.

943
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:09,760
It's kind of like he's taking his voice and really

944
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,960
going out there to match what Neurosis is doing, which

945
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,960
I know sounds like a weird things like, well, yeah,

946
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,800
you are in the band that is kind of the

947
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,760
least we expect, but him doing something that's you know,

948
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,519
he's in a fucking weird place by being in Eurosis

949
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:25,960
and he's going on a limb and doing something even madder,

950
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,239
and it just it brings this song to a frenzy

951
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,760
where which is almost nauseating it and yeah, saying all

952
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,440
this one of the catches songs on the record, Like

953
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,800
they've got more patient, more atmospheric songs in this but

954
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,719
this one just it, Like I said, it gets that

955
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,280
part of your brain that through silver and blood. That's

956
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
what Enemy of the Sun, which I thought was long

957
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,880
behind them, I mean not that, like I say, I

958
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,480
didn't know we were getting an album, but if we

959
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,239
were to getting Euroses album, this is not the sort

960
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,920
of thing I expected they'd be doing in twenty twenty

961
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,800
six for sure.

962
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: And then you have Untethered, which by comparison, is only

963
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,639
four minutes long, and it feels like maybe a little

964
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:01,480
bit like the anticipation of like the last two you know,

965
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:03,679
enormous tracks on the album, but it has this slippery

966
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,679
sort of noise rock riff in it. It feels a

967
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:08,719
bit more like Melvinsy or whatever than the rest of

968
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,559
the album, and it kind of rocks in the way

969
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,039
that you don't always link to Neurosis. It's really fun.

970
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:17,039
And then in the Waiting Hours and Last Light, two

971
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:20,079
tracks that collectively make up about twenty seven minutes in length.

972
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,400
In the Waiting Hours is the more wistful of the two,

973
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,079
I suppose, at least to begin with, you know it

974
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,199
kind of before it starts to rumble. And again, if

975
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,920
you are a fan of like Dusty Lonely early two

976
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,960
thousands Neurosis like I am, then I think it should

977
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:36,320
really speak to you. Last Light, as the closer, is

978
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,400
one of the most boldly experimental tracks Neurosis have maybe done.

979
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: Like this is where they go like fully like psychedelic,

980
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:48,159
tripped out electronic kind of neurosis and again like I've

981
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:49,920
got that missing gapp and the sort of use thing.

982
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,199
But the way that begins of that, you know, like

983
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:56,760
throbbing electronics of isolated screams, and it feels Joe missing

984
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,440
and you can feel like the intensity building. But then

985
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,760
you get like like almost half of the song, you

986
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,800
find this light burst through it and you get these

987
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,199
like some of the most like gorgeous guitar melodies on

988
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,280
this album, and it kind of goes like super uplifting

989
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,119
for it goes like gospel almost like the final but

990
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,119
this song like over seventeen minutes, I was kind of

991
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,440
just like, I don't know somewhere else this album can go,

992
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,320
And of course this like final closing track. They're going

993
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,079
place that I had no expectation for. And again, like

994
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:28,280
me person who complains only time the song goes over

995
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,159
ten minutes, is like this seventy minute song might be

996
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:34,679
the best song on the album, Like it's insane.

997
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because Neurosis. Again, they've obviously used electronics

998
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,719
for a long time, but they've never felt so much

999
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,159
like an obviously electronic band, like it was always supplement.

1000
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,559
And I don't know if maybe this comes from maybe

1001
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:46,719
Aaron Turner like suggesting more of this side. I don't

1002
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,559
know if no Ahlandi's just turned up and decided to

1003
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,079
go crazy after ten years, but that insistent do do

1004
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:55,760
like electronic heartbeat at the start of it is like really,

1005
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,159
you know, unexpected and unusual, and the first voice on

1006
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:02,440
it is Aaron's but he's not doing the best your

1007
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,800
post metal voice. He's pushing his register into like these

1008
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,159
deranged reaches like I'm guessing Earliert early when you spoke

1009
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:11,639
about this performance later on, I immediately thought, this must

1010
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:14,159
be the moment you're talking about, because when he's screaming

1011
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:18,360
like they're all swept. Oh, it's so frightening. It reminds

1012
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,119
me of like an ultra of plagued vocal or something like.

1013
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:23,519
It's a really unchained vocal performance echoing out over this

1014
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:24,920
like electro beat.

1015
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:26,599
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I was already in love with this

1016
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:28,880
record before he got to this song, and this is

1017
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,280
my favorite on the album. I think this is frankly

1018
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,239
one of the most spectacular songs I've heard this decade.

1019
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,559
I am in total away this and the moment where

1020
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,119
I started to get a feeling that's what it might

1021
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:45,079
be was when Aaron Turner steps up and with virtually

1022
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:51,280
no backing, gives the most frightening vocal performance one can imagine.

1023
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,599
And you know, I've been a fan of this for

1024
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,760
about as long as I've been a Neurosis fan. This

1025
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,199
is a contender for the best he's ever been on

1026
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,880
a song, and it's that exact moment you mentioned that

1027
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,000
like a wretch, but it's like his voice just cracks

1028
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,239
under how much pressure he's putting on it. It's about

1029
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,920
two minutes in and it's one of the most intense

1030
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,760
vocal performances I've heard on a metal record in I

1031
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,679
don't even know how long, and you go, this is

1032
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,679
gonna be, you know, like you said, like the darkest,

1033
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,000
most bleak, devastating song of the record. And then it's

1034
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,800
not because when that big god speed rift comes in, Yeah,

1035
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,519
and Jason Road is doing that incredible uplifting drum performance.

1036
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:30,519
No one knows how to build tension like that. Guy

1037
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:32,800
just builds and builds and builds the point where it's unbearable.

1038
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,519
And then when it opens up like you're saying, and

1039
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,599
it sounds like mono or explosions in the sky and

1040
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,239
talk Talk and all these other things after the record

1041
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,159
you've been putting yourself through, it's such like a breaking

1042
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:54,239
of the dam. It's an unbelievable, like an unbelievably savvy

1043
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,440
thing to do, you know, going on an hour into

1044
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:04,519
this nightmare to just have this unapologetic, unmitigated a bit

1045
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:05,159
of sunlight.

1046
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, like when Steve picks up the

1047
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,000
vocal and he puts in his own like really pain

1048
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,280
performance needs, you know, bellowing out the what have we

1049
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,400
done to our own native clay? Like that whole part.

1050
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,199
It feels like this is the fucking end. This is

1051
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,440
the slow collapse. And even though they've had those you know,

1052
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:23,039
sort of throwbacks almost to through Silver and Blood era intensity,

1053
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,880
ultimately it's not through Silver and Blood and there will

1054
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,719
be some kind of light to it. And halfway through

1055
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,840
that seventeen minutes song, I was like, I have absolutely

1056
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,559
no idea where the second half of this could be

1057
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:34,920
going in like such an exciting way, like it had

1058
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,119
painted out so many possibilities of how it could go.

1059
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:40,960
And I agree, like when you know that Rift just

1060
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,679
fucking sings in the second half, it's just like astonishing.

1061
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,400
And for what you could possibly reasonably demand for a

1062
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,119
returning Neurosis with the alchemy of the you know, the

1063
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,239
Great Neurosis lineup having obviously changed, but now with the

1064
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,320
introduction of Aaron Turner, it is pretty much close to

1065
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,880
perfect this album for what you could reasonably imagine of

1066
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,119
that being well, I just I wanted to applaud when

1067
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,000
I ended to be honest, Like it's it's impossible to

1068
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:11,679
separate the album from the story.

1069
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 4: And there's there's a triumphant telement to listening to it

1070
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,280
that I think is inseparable from what came before it.

1071
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,559
But if, like you say, you're going, I'm going to

1072
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,400
put on this new neurosalum, what do I expect? What

1073
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,360
would I quote unquote demand from them? Or what would

1074
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,960
I hope that lives up to the name, And it's

1075
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,800
it completely does, Like it's I can't believe we're here,

1076
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,079
to be honest, because like the again, it's way too

1077
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:41,599
early to start thinking about ranking these things. You know,

1078
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,039
It's I won't be able to do that for another

1079
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,039
six months at least. I suspect I need another couple

1080
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:49,039
of dozen listens before I know where this is going.

1081
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,079
But the fact that it's like not I'm not discounting

1082
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:56,559
it from the ranking, if you know what I mean,

1083
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,800
Like that's already a mental thing. I'm not going, well,

1084
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,599
you know, so let's we'll park that and this is

1085
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,119
its own thing and I'm not going to compare it.

1086
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:06,199
You know, the sort of concessions you have to make

1087
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,599
in almost every circumstance remotely like this and I'm not

1088
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:11,639
doing that. I'm going like, oh, this is just another

1089
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:17,840
fucking unbelievable Neurosis album. Like it's genuinely like what one

1090
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,679
of I might just be caught up in the excitment

1091
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,000
of all I don't know. It's one of the best

1092
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,760
albums I think I've had the pleasure of covering on

1093
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,559
this show. I am totally enamored by it.

1094
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so much of it defies belief. Like, as

1095
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:33,519
we said earlier, Jason Rhader the drummer, said he'd retired

1096
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:35,920
from music and sold all of his equipment when he

1097
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,800
randomly got fired from Sleep a couple of years ago,

1098
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,480
and now here he is being one of the best

1099
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:41,480
drummers ever again like all over it so like he

1100
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:43,519
might be in like my top ten favorite drummers. You know,

1101
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,639
it's such an insane comeback story, and it feels the

1102
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:49,960
product of at the art here feels exactly right for

1103
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,920
the world that you know they're entering back into. And

1104
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,199
I mean it's mental that we got converged last month

1105
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,960
and we were looking out of the release schedule being like, yeah,

1106
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,679
nothing nut's coming out immediately. That should should like, you know,

1107
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,679
come quite challenge that and then suddenly one month later,

1108
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,840
we have another record of that level, and on top

1109
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,760
of that, we've got Neurosis back, like I can't believe it.

1110
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,599
We've got one of the best bands back. And part

1111
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:13,519
of that rush of emotion was it feels like, you know,

1112
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,559
for want of a better word, we're allowed to love

1113
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:20,280
Neurosis again because because Last Friday was the biggest mass

1114
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,559
outpouring of love for Neurosis since the last time they

1115
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:26,599
would have played a show essentially, you know, and this

1116
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:28,760
band means so much to people. They are so many

1117
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,199
people's favorite band, and they were never like hard canceled

1118
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,840
as a band because of the way that the rest

1119
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,320
of them conducted themselves. But there were a few years

1120
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,000
there where mentioning the Neurosis name or wearing Neurosis merch

1121
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,840
whatever it get comments or looks, you know, and it

1122
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,039
carried the vibe of this is, you know, somewhat tainted

1123
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:50,039
material somehow, And obviously I think there always will be

1124
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,800
a complex relationship with the Scott Kelly material. And that's

1125
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,199
not to say that we all get off totally free

1126
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:56,559
and never have to think about it again and can

1127
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,760
forget about everything. But like, honestly, last Friday out of nowhere.

1128
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,920
It felt like the Damn Burst on celebrating Neurosis, and

1129
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:05,559
I've seen lots of people going like, oh, I should

1130
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,199
really check out Eurosis for the first time. You know,

1131
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,039
people seem to really love this band, and just that

1132
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:12,880
that damn Burst thing, like it really does mean the world.

1133
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,039
And I think that the album being this good on

1134
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:17,719
top of that, just like it really does make a

1135
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:18,440
world of difference.

1136
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,559
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, like this is by far and

1137
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:23,559
away my fare out of the year right now, and

1138
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,760
that this is coming off the back of a Converge record.

1139
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,159
I was ready to dive deep in Euroses and then

1140
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:31,679
because and again, I still listen to the neuroslums. I like,

1141
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,400
you know, I'll still spin through silk and blood over

1142
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,239
this sort of the years, But I just I didn't

1143
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,519
feel like I was in the mindset to delve further

1144
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:40,480
into Neurosis and kind of like explore that.

1145
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 2: And now I'm like, again, it's still going to come with,

1146
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,239
you know, the.

1147
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: Slight asterisks that Scott K's name will carry, But I

1148
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,880
do now feel that excitement kind of like I'm ready

1149
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,280
to reimmerse myself and listen to those Euroslams I haven't

1150
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,639
listened to, and again, like this album.

1151
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,599
Speaker 2: There are, like, you know, some of my favorite bands

1152
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:57,480
who we hold in that.

1153
00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:00,079
Speaker 3: Kind of like upper echelon of like elite tier bands

1154
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,400
who have released ams this year that I fucking love.

1155
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,880
But this album, this just feels like on a different

1156
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:12,440
level that mere mortals can't like create. It truly is special.

1157
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,679
And again like this is now the bar to sort

1158
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,079
of beat this year. And again I've not put any

1159
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:19,079
thought into where the strengths as an Euros album because

1160
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:21,360
I've not done the whole cat long, but it's it

1161
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,679
is a just masterful and that there was kind of

1162
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,239
through the ross and you get swept up in that,

1163
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,840
and now a week on having lit to a bunch,

1164
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,199
I'm like, no, no, it is just that damn good.

1165
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:33,519
This isn't the kind of like oh my god, hype

1166
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,480
sort of thing. This the album speech itself, and it

1167
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,280
just I just say, it's a reclamation of kind of

1168
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,599
like one of the most important metal bands ever and

1169
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:46,639
kind of being able to like celebrate them and put

1170
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,960
the respect that the remaining musicians put their back.

1171
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,199
Speaker 2: On them and kind of acknowledge their their importance.

1172
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: Yes, a bit rude of them to steal every other

1173
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,679
band's Last Friday's Thunder, particularly when we already had one

1174
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,199
long awaited enough comeback album to discuss that was on

1175
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,199
our schedule for a much longer period of time. But

1176
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,719
let's get into it. Poison the Well. We're also back

1177
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,599
class Friday with Peace in place. I feel fucking insane

1178
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,639
having to do another intro for an album from a

1179
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:21,920
band as important as this right after that, But Poison

1180
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,920
the Well one of the most integral to the development

1181
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,719
of twenty first century metal and hardcore bands, a top

1182
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,119
three or four most influential metalcore band of all time.

1183
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,079
If you want to know what is the crucial hinging

1184
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:39,559
point between the early metallic hardcore of Integrity and Earth Crisis, etc.

1185
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,159
In the mid nineties to then the commercial popularization of

1186
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,119
it with Kills which engage in the early two thousands,

1187
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,039
that middle point is Poison the Well. Records, like The

1188
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:50,800
Opposite of December and Tear from the Red are the

1189
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,079
template of how you get from point A to point B.

1190
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,840
There and in the modern era, when metalcore has gone

1191
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,360
in other ways, those early Poison Well records have been fetishized.

1192
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,320
I think is the word I would use by those

1193
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,159
factions of you know, hardcore and medical communities as the

1194
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:08,800
examples of like this is what metalcore actually is, you know,

1195
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:12,119
arguably in its most quintisential form. Again not the earliest

1196
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,719
form of metalcore, but kind of the perfect balance really

1197
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,400
between like the diy roots and the larger horizons, like

1198
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,519
the falcrum point is Poisoned Well and this is something

1199
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,760
that we tracked on a poison Wel band special on

1200
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,360
the That's not a Patreon last year. They made five

1201
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,800
albums in total up to two thousand and nine, and

1202
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,519
then they broke up. And then they've actually been reuniting

1203
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,239
sort of on and off for over ten years now.

1204
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:36,280
But that moved them into another period that we know.

1205
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,719
We know lots of bands to be in that period

1206
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,039
where they exist and they come out and play shows,

1207
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,599
but will they actually commit to being a real band again,

1208
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:45,480
you know and mix some music that damn for Poison

1209
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,960
Well broke in twenty twenty four when they announced that

1210
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,679
they were making a new album. We got a first

1211
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,480
returning single in twenty twenty five, good trembling level. It's

1212
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,039
not a song that is on this album. It's a

1213
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:56,400
truly standalone song, but that was a fantastic first taste

1214
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,159
of like Yep, Poison wel can still rip the prelude

1215
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,039
to the first album in seventeen years piece in place, Elliott,

1216
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,400
you were not on that Poison Well special that we

1217
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,400
did so for you, I have to ask, are you

1218
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,000
a fan? Why are you waiting for this record that

1219
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:08,719
the way the rest of us.

1220
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:12,119
Speaker 4: Were, uh yes or no? I like them, I don't

1221
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,320
love them. I'm probably the fourth place of the four

1222
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,800
of us, including market like Poison the Well fandom in

1223
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,840
the sense that the stuff there's some stuff I like

1224
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,639
that I think is really excellent. I'll admit I haven't

1225
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,679
gone in on the last two records, and i've heard versions.

1226
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:29,760
Is you'd like that really quite good? All right, well,

1227
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,840
I'll park that. I'll come back to that one. I've

1228
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,719
heard the first three and there's stuff that I think

1229
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,840
is pretty And I must say, maybe I'm part of

1230
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,159
that fetishizing thing. Those albums are only sounding better the

1231
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:43,920
worst metal core gets and tipping metal core gets you

1232
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,119
go back and here tear from the reading. I'm like, oh, oh,

1233
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:48,119
it used to this, this is what it used to be.

1234
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:49,920
Why why change?

1235
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: But I yeah, I.

1236
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 4: Wasn't really following this super closely, and I can't wait

1237
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,280
for more poison the World material, because I mean there

1238
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,039
were there was already Poisoned Woe material that I wasn't

1239
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:00,639
listening to. It would have been for me to be

1240
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:05,320
demanding new stuff. But yeah, so this is I wouldn't

1241
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,239
say new territories for me, but like it's I'm definitely

1242
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,079
the least familiar of everyone here today.

1243
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be an interesting perspective then, to compare to Obviously,

1244
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,960
myself and Sam did the entire like catalog Rundown in

1245
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,039
depth last year, and when we do those band specials,

1246
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:21,440
they're often there's a there's like a narrative that kind

1247
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,119
of organically develops through talking through the records. And with

1248
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:27,480
Poison Well, the idea that really came through was that

1249
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,800
the last few years we've existed almost in like this

1250
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,320
metal core culture war of real metal core versus false

1251
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,320
metal core and all those terms that people like to

1252
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,199
throw around if they really really are invested in that,

1253
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,679
and Poison Well became adopted as like unwilling participants, almost

1254
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,960
like these records that they made twenty five years ago

1255
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,880
became canonized as the standard and then used as ammunition

1256
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,239
but Poison Well were already more than that, and they

1257
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,639
were that standard of quintidential metal core for a couple

1258
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:56,760
of years, and then they became something else, and for

1259
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,719
many people, that is where they're interesting. Poison Well stops.

1260
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,679
We went further to paint a more accurate picture of

1261
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:05,039
what this band really are. They're a much more experimental,

1262
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,800
multi dynamic, multidisciplined beast. So the idea of a Poison

1263
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,360
World comeback out in twenty twenty six was really interesting

1264
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,239
because they are entering into a world where their name

1265
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:19,199
has this Pavlov's dog effect for metalcre fans, holding them

1266
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,199
up as everything that it should be. But those people

1267
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,719
are only actually really engaging with their first couple of records.

1268
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,400
So I think there is a bit of a schism

1269
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:29,400
maybe that you could see with you know, for example,

1270
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,400
the reception to this record between the fans who have

1271
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,039
been along for the ride and aren't expecting them to

1272
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,679
make another opposite of December and then the people who

1273
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:38,440
kind of were.

1274
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously this is one of my most

1275
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,280
antispared albums of the year. Also, amakuind have had to

1276
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,199
temper expectations for because obviously where Poison Rold left off

1277
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:51,840
in two thousand and nine, is there is their weakest moment,

1278
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,800
Like it's not a bad album, but it is their

1279
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,880
kind of lowest point creatively. And we are now as

1280
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,239
entering the world where they're back for this newies in

1281
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,159
an era where their first two albums in particular, but

1282
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:05,719
well probably say first fie albums are kind of like

1283
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:08,960
iconize and kind of hold it held up as like

1284
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:11,440
the bibles of metalcore. And there are gonna be a

1285
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,159
bunch of people who are gonna think they're gonna do that.

1286
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:15,639
And I'm like, I even again, as much as I

1287
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:17,719
think opposite sevent is, you know, a ten out of

1288
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,079
ten perfect album, I wouldn't want Poison Ord to come

1289
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:23,559
back in twenty twenty six and try and like squeeze

1290
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:27,000
into sort of like the nineteen ninety nine like outfit

1291
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:30,920
and and be that it would feel wrong and kind

1292
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,480
of like inauthentic. Why I want it was kind of like, obviously,

1293
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,559
do they pick up from where they left off, because

1294
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:39,840
the dropping rotten versions do kind of like fit in

1295
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,039
a similar kind of vibe. So I was like, do

1296
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:43,360
you pick up that and do you try and like

1297
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,639
sort of mold it again with kind of modern expectations

1298
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:49,039
and all that, and it was like, this is there

1299
01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:50,920
are more rise on this Poison World record than there

1300
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,280
would have been where they left off.

1301
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,679
Speaker 2: Because of that, they're they're kind of like status now.

1302
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 3: But are those people kind of actually as you say,

1303
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,119
aware of the bad and that poison we are creatively

1304
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:04,599
as It's been a really interesting one to go into

1305
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:06,639
and kind of like sort of see does the kind

1306
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:10,880
of like not typically metalcore poison well, like where does

1307
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,440
that land in the in the twenty twenty six where

1308
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,440
they are held up as like the godfathers of modern

1309
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,639
metalcore who are going to come back and save the genre.

1310
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, by you come before you, Poison

1311
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,360
Wel had kind of become as much a post hardcore

1312
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,079
band as a metal one. And I would say like,

1313
01:02:26,119 --> 01:02:28,159
if you listening, consider yourself to be more of like

1314
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:30,880
a post hardcore fan than strictly a metalcore one. You

1315
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,880
might be actually the person more inclined to enjoy a

1316
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,039
record like this. And then you get the records that

1317
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,159
people really drop off for, which are versions in the

1318
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:40,159
tropic rot and those are the experimental Poison Wel albums.

1319
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:42,199
And it's not a blanket, yes, or no thing as

1320
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:43,599
to if those are good or not, because if you've

1321
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:45,119
heard our special you know that there's one of those

1322
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:47,400
albums that we do generally agree is the weakest Poison

1323
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,440
Wel album, and then there's another that we think is

1324
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,239
like they're unsung near masterpiece. But the way to view

1325
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,960
this album, I think is the way that they've made it,

1326
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,519
which is, you know, it's the natural aging up of

1327
01:02:57,559 --> 01:02:59,760
all the places that they have been and you know,

1328
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,159
the back I have in mind for this as comparison

1329
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:05,519
points are more like Thrice an Alexis on Fire, where

1330
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:08,880
those are bands that come from those post harcal worlds,

1331
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:10,840
but by the time they've entered their you know, forties

1332
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,079
or whatever, they've kind of sculpted themselves into these just

1333
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:16,480
very individual to themselves versions of that. You know, I

1334
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,280
think this album is really good. I think, you know,

1335
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:19,920
obviously we've got it right next to Neurosis. It might

1336
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,599
seem a litt damped when you can't say that it's

1337
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:23,599
up there with the best things that they've done, but

1338
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:26,239
it is still a little surreal to be here in

1339
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,159
twenty twenty six with a new Poison Wel album and

1340
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:30,199
going down this is really good I mean, like last Friday,

1341
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,280
I could feel the Brexit shrinking away like new Neurosis,

1342
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,639
New Poison, the well, what year is it? But this

1343
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,679
is it's strong and it's not as you know, kind

1344
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:43,800
of overt and like Octopus slimed inex experimentation, as like

1345
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,039
a Versions or the Tropic rot Is, but it's kind

1346
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:48,320
of baked into the template I think in a way

1347
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,519
that's quite sturdy and quite stately because like those bands

1348
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:54,039
I mentioned, it feels very assured of itself. It feels

1349
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:55,239
like they know the kind of band that they are

1350
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,079
and what they want to be coming back after all

1351
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,039
this time. There's a power about it, not necessarily like

1352
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,960
a wild eyed savagery if you're looking for them to

1353
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,599
start coming in and going crazy like these new and

1354
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,280
metal core revival bands. But there is a poise in

1355
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,960
this Poison world that is beyond that. Because wax Mask

1356
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:15,199
with that stuttering like engine revving up and down again

1357
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,360
riff is like classic early two thousands poison well behavior

1358
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,760
hits like a truck and then prime will bloom afterwards,

1359
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,239
even harder fucking teeth going on over the pavement on that.

1360
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: I mean, wax Mask kind of like opening almost reminiscent

1361
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,320
of Bochler in that kind of like isolated Jeffrey kind

1362
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,360
of like doing that soft vocal and then that riff

1363
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,920
hit and I was like, ah, yeah, people, I mean spoiler,

1364
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,320
I fucking love this album. I think this is again

1365
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,199
one of my favorite alums of this year so far.

1366
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,199
It's not Eurosis because fucking like I was so like,

1367
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,840
oh man, poison the world, this was meant to be

1368
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:47,480
your moment.

1369
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:48,679
Speaker 4: But I still to.

1370
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:50,639
Speaker 1: Say, like, I think this is really strong.

1371
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:52,079
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

1372
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 3: It's not as constantly violent and savaga as you might

1373
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,480
expect from like again the sort of like metalcore bands

1374
01:04:58,519 --> 01:04:59,639
who are kind of inspired by them.

1375
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,599
Speaker 2: There's a kind of volatile nature to.

1376
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 3: It where it can kind of like bling off into

1377
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,239
different directions and when it goes hard, those rifts fucking crudge,

1378
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,320
and it's got that kind of earth feet tone. And

1379
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:12,119
I think the the Frice Alex fan comparison is like

1380
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:14,280
really apt because it is just like a sort of

1381
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,159
aged up, slightly weathered but still hard hitting and very

1382
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:20,679
sort of emotionally stirring metalcal band.

1383
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:21,239
Speaker 2: And again, like.

1384
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,559
Speaker 3: Primal Bloom is like probably the most kind of like

1385
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,159
straight up metallic hardcore Mosha on the album, you know

1386
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:30,559
it is big, stompy mosh riffs.

1387
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,719
Speaker 2: The riffing is kind of like really at it. There

1388
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:35,400
are the you know, softer moments in there.

1389
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: They coming at the right time to let these songs

1390
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,800
breathe and give it the dynamics, and then you get

1391
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,039
that breakdown and I'm like, yep, that final breakdown that

1392
01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:43,760
is so hard.

1393
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,119
Speaker 2: I want this to be in the live set.

1394
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,719
Speaker 3: I think this album comes out brilliantly because Firebreads, which

1395
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,559
was like the lead single. I really liked the single because,

1396
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:52,480
as we've sort of said, I love all of the

1397
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:55,199
kind of like early two thousands of medical Revival stuff,

1398
01:05:55,559 --> 01:05:57,519
but it is all kind of doing the same thing

1399
01:05:57,559 --> 01:05:59,880
with the same riffs, and I'll take up, I'll lap

1400
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,280
that up, but I mean poison. On these first couple

1401
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:03,880
of songs, they show they're still hard, but there is

1402
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,119
an inventiveness beyond a lot of the bands who are

1403
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:09,559
kind of looking to them as kind of like like

1404
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,559
the Sacred Idols, and.

1405
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 4: I think like, fundamentally they're a medical band of this

1406
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,280
struket that know how to write songs. Because as much

1407
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,400
as you know, the more traed meticalcore bands that are

1408
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,440
popular now. They are absolutely preferable to the faceless, weightless

1409
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:27,159
modern pop metal core bands that are super popular. But

1410
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:30,400
I do think some of those bands aren't quite good

1411
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,679
enough at songwriting to warrant some of the excitement that

1412
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:35,880
surrounds it will certainly to get the comparisons they carry

1413
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,920
with the clack like you're bleeding through and kills which engage.

1414
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,679
Weren't just great because their snare drums sounded like that.

1415
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,159
It's like they they wrote excellent aout of songs, yeah

1416
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,079
and poisoned well. I kind of I feel about this

1417
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:49,119
record the way I feel about them. I like this album.

1418
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:52,840
I think it's occasionally great, but consistently. I can tell

1419
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:59,199
the songs apart which I know might sound like it's

1420
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:01,920
a valid thing to bring up, that's major. I can

1421
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:03,719
look at the tracks, that's the one that's has that bit,

1422
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,480
that's the one that has that bit.

1423
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:05,119
Speaker 1: Nice, nice, nice.

1424
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 4: I've only managed to give this a couple listen so far.

1425
01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:09,400
I think this is like I say, I think it's

1426
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,440
I like this record. I think it's occasionally great. There's

1427
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:16,360
I must say, the relief when I hit play knowing

1428
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,239
that Will Putney produced it, and I found out it

1429
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,119
didn't sound like I feared it might.

1430
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,719
Speaker 1: It's one of his best jobs in fucking forever.

1431
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,159
Speaker 2: It's got one of his best elements in his production.

1432
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,719
Speaker 3: About that drum sound that you ruined the Harriet album

1433
01:07:28,719 --> 01:07:30,280
by pointing out I need to like that.

1434
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,239
Speaker 2: Reviewer lessons like you ruined it for me. Ah, God

1435
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,039
damn it. And I was kind of like, is he

1436
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:38,159
gonna do that to poison the world?

1437
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 3: But I'm like Chris Holbrook's two good drummer to sort

1438
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,920
of let that kind of get in the way, Like, yeah, no,

1439
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,039
will Partney Ace job on this one?

1440
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 4: Well, it does sound like he's understood the assignment, because

1441
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:49,079
if he did just come in and go right, we're

1442
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:51,159
gonna do all the plugins so we could sound like

1443
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:53,760
the opposite of December, we'd all be listening going, see,

1444
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,679
we know you don't have to do that. That is

1445
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,440
that's patronizing to the listener, don't be silly. But he's

1446
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:02,360
understood that you still want it to sound like poison

1447
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,320
the Well and have the quirks of those early records,

1448
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,719
but make it sound like it's still somewhat relevant to

1449
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,440
twenty twenty six, which is, you know, that's kind of

1450
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,760
what you want to come back album to be so

1451
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,480
purely in the production, like the mechanical side of it.

1452
01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:18,000
I think they've done an excellent job and it still

1453
01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:19,520
sounds like them and all that. And then the songs,

1454
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:23,039
I don't think every single one is you know, heardh

1455
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:25,600
sized totally brilliant, but there's more than enough of them,

1456
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:29,520
which I think again, even as a casual fan, if

1457
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,119
I was go see them, I'd want to hear Thoroughbreds.

1458
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,279
I'd be happy to hear something like everything Hurts or

1459
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,239
drifting without him like them will mellow stuff on the record,

1460
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:39,359
Primal Bloom, I think like, I think they've done a

1461
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:39,960
really good job.

1462
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the three main guys that have been the

1463
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:46,039
consistent anchors of Poison the World. There's great contribution on

1464
01:08:46,119 --> 01:08:48,039
here from the two newer members as well, but Jeff,

1465
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:51,880
Ryan and Chris are all like big personality players at

1466
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,760
their instrument you know, like Chris is one of the

1467
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,279
best hardcore drummers ever. I particularly want to highlight Ryan

1468
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:59,840
Premac as one of those like Dynamo metallic hardcore riffers

1469
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,680
who doesn't get spoken about as much as like a

1470
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,039
Ben Winman or a Kurt Blue but he's always doing

1471
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:08,119
really inspired stuff, and it's how those like unexpected influences

1472
01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:10,119
that really came to the fore and records like versions

1473
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:12,199
are able then to be you know, like I said,

1474
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:15,479
sort of baked back into what are mostly these quite

1475
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,479
straightforwardly heavy three minute songs this time because it's the

1476
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,680
you know, the surf rock and the country and those

1477
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,439
kind of like left field approaches that come through in

1478
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,760
the guitars. There's an almost bluesy lead at the end

1479
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,000
of wax Mask, which adds like a really great stroke

1480
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:30,560
of color to it. Awake of Vultures has these like

1481
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,439
almost slide guitar inspired passages baked into the verses that

1482
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:35,880
create that Really it's all that.

1483
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 3: Kind of versions rock and roll, like that that rock

1484
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,199
and roll hipshaking sort of thing that they kind of

1485
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:41,760
breached and every now and then and there.

1486
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that Songe's got that really sort of again

1487
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,399
like road worn sort of atmosphere that those records do.

1488
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,159
But as you know, we mentioned Thoroughbreds as the lead single,

1489
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:52,600
and it has that kind of like raucous careening left

1490
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,239
and right rock and roll thing that a song like

1491
01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:55,960
letter thing does, you know, it's just a bit less

1492
01:09:56,039 --> 01:09:57,640
unhinge and a bit more in the you know, in

1493
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,760
the palm and their control, and Jeff is like really

1494
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,279
strong in the singing across this record, like it's probably

1495
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:07,359
his most commanding, clean vocal performance he's put on an

1496
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:09,199
album because you know that the Thoroughbread's chorus with the

1497
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:12,000
Haunt Me always has been really stuck in my head since,

1498
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:14,319
you know, returning to that song on this album, and

1499
01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:17,920
then tracks like like Everything Hurts and like particularly Weeping Tones,

1500
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,239
they lean really heavily on the choruses. Weeping Tones does

1501
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:23,159
kind of remind me of Thrice, like that kind of

1502
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:25,479
like weathered, hearty rock song, you know, and that is

1503
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,239
just like a legitimately just good on its own terms

1504
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:31,079
rock song in the middle of this like metalcore comeback record,

1505
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:33,760
which does feel again, an awful lot beyond what most

1506
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,880
of their imitators have been shown to be capable of.

1507
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:38,399
Speaker 3: Well, when I get like Fries, I get cave in

1508
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:43,520
from certain songs this record, like Everything Hurts and drifting

1509
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,920
without end. They have that kind of like cave in

1510
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,920
space rock thing going on with them, like everving hurts

1511
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,800
in Lesser Hands, that would just be another kind of

1512
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,039
like Shoegazy, a rock song that all the hardcore bands do,

1513
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,680
but it's got a mega chorus.

1514
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,319
Speaker 1: The yeah still really hard post chorus or of down

1515
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:00,920
in it as well.

1516
01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. It's great.

1517
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,199
Speaker 3: It's got this kind of like you were that kind

1518
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:06,840
of like Shoegazy bass intro be it where it's kind

1519
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,680
of massive on the chorus and then it slams into

1520
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,439
a breakdown and it's like, yep, we're getting the mosh

1521
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,079
thing and you get you know, weirder kind of droning

1522
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:17,079
melodies on there, like as you mentioned Awake of Vultures,

1523
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,000
you get that like ambient sort of outro bit to it,

1524
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:22,479
where again they just they throw in nice little bits

1525
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,840
of experimentation, bad bodies, and it's got like some real

1526
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:27,960
burly riffs and it's like really rhythmically dynamic. I think

1527
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,960
there is just a stronger texture and kind of composition

1528
01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:33,760
to what they're doing with these songs to what a

1529
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,640
lot of other again metallic carcabands that I really.

1530
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,319
Speaker 2: Like have been doing. I think it's a really just

1531
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:39,520
strong body of work.

1532
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Jeff has a real handle on like

1533
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,840
how to deploy his voice melodically, like compare it to

1534
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,920
the earliest Poison World material, and obviously the melodies are

1535
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,760
so like tentative and so trembling, you know, whereas here

1536
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,359
not only is he a great singer now, but he's

1537
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:56,319
also able to bring this sort of eerie sensibility to

1538
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:59,600
it beyond the like dreaded stock metalcore. Please describe this

1539
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,319
song as anthem, you know, like thing, and his scream

1540
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:05,520
on it as well, has this really like brilliant, husky

1541
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,239
sort of quiet rage to it that really suits the

1542
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:11,680
atmosphere of where the music has gone melted late on

1543
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:17,640
stinkiest groove on the record, really bouncing around the place.

1544
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,279
It's so fucking great. It kind of reminds me of

1545
01:12:19,319 --> 01:12:21,680
like a like a later period employed to serve groove

1546
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,199
or something like an O zero, like a really bouncing feel.

1547
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,239
But then the closing track Plague and the most I'm

1548
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:29,880
sure like others, I saw nine minutes at the end

1549
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,079
and thought, what have we got cooking here, only to

1550
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:34,560
be bemused when there was an honest to god hidden

1551
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,800
track on this thing.

1552
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:40,239
Speaker 3: There were nineties bag you know, they can't shake It's

1553
01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:40,840
like they.

1554
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,399
Speaker 1: Haven't acknowledged how the means of releasing music has changed

1555
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,800
since the last time they were around. So here's a

1556
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,640
hidden track for your CD. But it's nice to hidden track.

1557
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:50,720
It's very nice, very pretty.

1558
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 2: I think the hidden track it's great.

1559
01:12:52,039 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 3: It's like a really nice, lot delicate emo ballad, like

1560
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,840
it's a really cool kind of like again it works

1561
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:58,920
in Tractice. It's a different vibe, but again I think

1562
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,760
it's one of like Jeffrey's strong all things, and it

1563
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,239
does sort of get quite swelling and little heartstring tonguing

1564
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:05,600
at the end, Like I think it's really cool.

1565
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think Plague.

1566
01:13:08,039 --> 01:13:10,279
Speaker 3: The most is kind of like darker and moodious and

1567
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:11,800
that that's when when it started out, I was kind

1568
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,319
of like, oh, this is going to be the.

1569
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:15,159
Speaker 2: Dark, brooding kind of long form closer.

1570
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:17,199
Speaker 3: But I was like, you know what, you didn't need

1571
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:19,600
to do hidden track, but like you're a nineties band,

1572
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,720
like and it's only three minutes of silence, I've got.

1573
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,560
Speaker 1: To like shit track, Like, it's not if we've seen

1574
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,479
twenty seven minutes at the end, we would have been

1575
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,319
alerted a bit earlier on. I think that that's what

1576
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:33,720
the scenario was. Yeah, it's not like as crazily experimental

1577
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,680
record as like their last couple were. But I think

1578
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,319
you can clearly tell that the band that made versions

1579
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:40,760
of the tropic rock made this record. You know. It's

1580
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,399
kind of a bit more consistently across the board, sort

1581
01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:45,920
of subsumed into the formula, you know, which you'd think

1582
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,880
would make it more accessible to people. But like I said,

1583
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,319
I think if you're into the way that bands, like

1584
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,840
whether it be Thrice or Alexis on Fire or you know,

1585
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,600
even like every Time I Die around low teens, late

1586
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,239
period Dillinger, that kind of thing, how these bands coax

1587
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:01,760
more of these sort of you know again like sort

1588
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,359
of like like road worn stately sounds out of their elements.

1589
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,119
I think you will really like this record. It might

1590
01:14:07,159 --> 01:14:08,439
be one of your highlights of the year for that

1591
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,159
kind of thing. I can't imagine a more boring way

1592
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:15,000
of engaging with this than having these dynamic bands at

1593
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,359
your fingertips where you can watch how they morph and

1594
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:22,279
they change, then going ooh, where are my angel statue riffs?

1595
01:14:22,319 --> 01:14:25,439
I have a baby brain. Like last time here iled

1596
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,680
I was bitching about the people who think blood Moon

1597
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,479
is the worst converge album. That's a perfect ven diagram

1598
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,800
with people who only fetishize the first couple of Poison

1599
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,840
World releases, and even on the post hardcore side, like

1600
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:40,159
what that crowd want is that exact, perfectly replicated two

1601
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:42,800
thousand and four MySpace revival stuff like you know, like

1602
01:14:43,279 --> 01:14:45,399
that I Promised the World EP and that kind of thing,

1603
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:48,239
and just the sort of treadmill of new bands producing

1604
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,520
models of the exact same sound and then the scene

1605
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,800
collectively moving on from them when they age past it.

1606
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,880
But if you're actually interested in following how your great

1607
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:02,000
artists do age and are, there is a real wealth

1608
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,279
of enjoyment here in this album.

1609
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I am you know, I'm partly to blame.

1610
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,039
Speaker 3: I love all that kind of like scene revival stuff,

1611
01:15:09,039 --> 01:15:11,319
and I like that, but it's like I love what

1612
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:12,920
it does, but I at the same time, I am

1613
01:15:13,039 --> 01:15:15,760
engaged with, you know, the evolving artists and I and

1614
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,239
I again, I wanted Poison Weld to do what exactly

1615
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:20,920
what they've done here. I didn't want them to just

1616
01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:23,520
like say, rehash old ideas.

1617
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: It's this to me is great And the.

1618
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,239
Speaker 3: Thing is, by default this probably has to come like

1619
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,600
fifth place for Poison the World because that's just you know,

1620
01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:34,439
the strength of the first four records. But I still

1621
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,119
this album is fucking incredible, and I'm so kind of

1622
01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:40,159
just happy that we've got new Poison Weld and it's

1623
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:42,920
of a standard that I'm like, yeah, this is up

1624
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,640
there with like legitimately great modern bands.

1625
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,199
Speaker 2: This isn't like again that even other like bigger legacy.

1626
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,079
Speaker 3: Metal bands, Like I really liked that last Killswitch Engage record.

1627
01:15:52,319 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean this is way better than that. I mean,

1628
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,159
this is like really good.

1629
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:57,119
Speaker 3: This is like you put this with like like the

1630
01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:59,319
Bleeding Through album in the in terms of the kind

1631
01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:03,439
of like early medicore bands who are still fucking delivering

1632
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,039
top ten stuff like these aren't there with them. And

1633
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:08,640
I think, like it's a real just sort of nice

1634
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:11,640
comforting listening for me that still has loads of cool,

1635
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,600
interesting ideas. It makes me want to throw hands, it

1636
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,239
makes you want to get a bit of motion on sing,

1637
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:17,600
and I mean it's going to go like, oh, I

1638
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,199
wasn't expecting that. So for me, while I want from

1639
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:22,600
Pointsonil album in twenty twenty six, it ticks every box.

1640
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think the first three albums those

1641
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:28,439
are they're widely agreed upon classics versions. As you will

1642
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,119
know if you've heard our special is actually the secret

1643
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:32,239
classic Poisono wel album that only the real heads know about.

1644
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,439
And then you've got the tropic rock Bottom, which is

1645
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,319
fairly good. This is better than that, and so slotting

1646
01:16:38,359 --> 01:16:43,039
in under four absolutely brilliant genre defining and then defying albums.

1647
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,560
That's really good work. And you know, stick in the

1648
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,560
landing of the comeback that we have wanted for so long.

1649
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,439
So Poisono Wel Piece in place bumped down to third

1650
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,720
incredibly but still a big release. Lamb of Gods, I

1651
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,439
guess technically a much bigger band than those ones we've

1652
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,960
been speaking of into oblivion. This is their third album

1653
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:03,880
of the twenty twenties, very neatly divided also by those

1654
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,479
being the three albums with the current lineup featuring Art

1655
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,119
Cruise on the drums replacing classic member Chris Adler, and

1656
01:17:11,159 --> 01:17:13,720
the manner in which the feel in the band changed

1657
01:17:14,079 --> 01:17:16,000
and the way the conversation around the band shifted. You

1658
01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:18,600
can very neatly put these three albums together as a

1659
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,600
still ongoing chapter of their career. Lamb of God, of

1660
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,680
course one of the biggest and best metal bands of

1661
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,600
the twenty first century. A fully classic run of you know,

1662
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,920
four or five albums in the two thousands. Twenty tens

1663
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:33,399
saw the absolute glazing of Lamb of God albums somewhat

1664
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,560
slow down, but they were still in a pretty strong position.

1665
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,960
We not long ago. We went back and revisited the

1666
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,800
STM and Drag album last year as part of the

1667
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,159
tenth anniversary TNM episode that we did, and I think

1668
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:43,800
we all felt that it was a fairly strong album.

1669
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,560
And then we reached the lineup change that I mentioned

1670
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,520
there and these twenty twenties albums, and while still what

1671
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,359
we could term fairly strong albums, for me, that is

1672
01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:55,600
where my relationship with Lamb of God shifts a little bit.

1673
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,439
And I know, you know, some people might move that

1674
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,520
forward or back an album or whatever, but that is

1675
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,840
I think that a specific point entering the twenty twenties,

1676
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,600
basically where lots of people did feel the same. Twenty

1677
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,359
twenties Lamb of God. For me is the legacy Lamb

1678
01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:09,760
of God period where they have become one of those

1679
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,319
bands putting out good records that I enjoy, but they've

1680
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:14,920
moved in my mind out of the group of bands

1681
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,239
where I'm like really looking for them to deliver the

1682
01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:19,880
top ten metal albums of any given year and instead

1683
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,760
the you know, the well known to us. Give me

1684
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,199
a couple of new tunes for the set list and

1685
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:24,000
I'm good. Category.

1686
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much agree with that.

1687
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 3: I think, like, what do you know for a band

1688
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,800
at at Lamb of God's stage, It's about what you'd

1689
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,880
almost expect from the majority of bands. They've reached the

1690
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,399
point where most bands naturally kind of hit a point

1691
01:18:36,399 --> 01:18:40,039
where they'll they'll stop delivering all classmate, all the time.

1692
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 2: And I think self tired ALM's the only.

1693
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:43,239
Speaker 3: One where I still kind of look back and be like,

1694
01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:45,840
there's not really anything from the album that I would

1695
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,239
still reach to. But omens that you know, has a

1696
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:50,119
handle of songs that I was like, yep, their bangers.

1697
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,520
Slot them in the setlist and I'll be happy. And

1698
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,079
if this is the stand of Lamb of God, Adams

1699
01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:56,439
get going forward, not really going to complain.

1700
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 4: It's kind of amazing how easily they can be divided

1701
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,399
into decades where the two thousands, it doesn't even need

1702
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,600
to say in the run is unbelievable. Twenty tens. I

1703
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,800
think it's like very good albums that are occasionally patchy,

1704
01:19:09,079 --> 01:19:12,439
and then in the twenty twenties. It's almost like that's

1705
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,640
been inverse where it's like patchy occasionally very good, particularly

1706
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,520
the Self Ties, which I think only has really one

1707
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,479
great song on it, and then the rest I really

1708
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,560
don't really care about at all. Omens I was quite

1709
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,199
keen on at the time, but haven't really gone back to.

1710
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,800
It's weird that they've never done a shit album and

1711
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,800
there isn't even a Lama Godlam that I think doesn't

1712
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:33,800
have one incredible song on it. But we're definitely at

1713
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,079
the stage where when there's a new Lamb of God

1714
01:19:36,079 --> 01:19:38,119
album coming, it's like you said, a couple of songs

1715
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:41,039
of the set list, hope there's at least one genuinely

1716
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:44,079
brilliant song, and you have to take that.

1717
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I like both of the previous records

1718
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,319
well enough. I think I guess the self titled and

1719
01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:51,239
the switch in the band's chemistry at that point was

1720
01:19:51,279 --> 01:19:53,199
such a shift from the albums before that it did

1721
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:54,920
feel quite stark. But I think it's a fine album.

1722
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,000
I would give it at least two very good songs.

1723
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,880
Omens in twenty twenty two, pretty quick off the back

1724
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,359
of you know, essentially similar, but perhaps with the wheels

1725
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:03,880
just greased a little bit. By that point, it was,

1726
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,800
you know, a bit better than the self titled Into Oblivion.

1727
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,920
The run up to this has felt a little bit

1728
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,000
different than those albums. They have inexplicably used this album

1729
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:15,520
to give themselves an asthetic rebrand, swapping out their iconic

1730
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,680
logo for a cover that looks exactly like a basic

1731
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,840
record sampler on a cover CD of Metal Hammer in

1732
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,239
twenty twelve, and for this album that is essentially no

1733
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,439
more or less important than anything else. I have absolutely

1734
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,119
no idea why they've done that at this point, just

1735
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:32,319
seemingly random decision. But as they started to release singles

1736
01:20:32,359 --> 01:20:33,880
from it, we started to feel a different kind of

1737
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,680
excitement around them, and there was a sort of consensus

1738
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,039
that you could see sort of building up steam by

1739
01:20:39,039 --> 01:20:40,520
the time this album actually came out a couple of

1740
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,840
weeks ago, that this was you know, possibly what you

1741
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,319
would call a return to classic form from Lamb of God,

1742
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,760
and that this would be, as well as being the

1743
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,279
easy best of like you know this again, this lineup's

1744
01:20:50,279 --> 01:20:53,239
output also probably the best Lamb of God album since

1745
01:20:53,239 --> 01:20:55,680
their two thousands glory years. I've got to open this

1746
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,800
review proper by throwing out a question to you two,

1747
01:20:58,079 --> 01:21:00,279
do you guys understand what those people are yapping? Because

1748
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:04,399
I've got no fucking I don't know. I mean, it's the.

1749
01:21:04,359 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 2: Same as the others. What's happened, It's the same. There's

1750
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,000
like there's like one or two.

1751
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: Songs where there's something a bit different, but.

1752
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: It's the same. I kind of land a little bit

1753
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:17,439
in the middle.

1754
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,520
Speaker 3: Well, I'm like, anyone who says this is like the

1755
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,359
return to the Glory years is yapping a way about

1756
01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:25,239
that yapp into a wall, Like I don't like, but

1757
01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:28,039
I do think, like, I think this is better than

1758
01:21:28,039 --> 01:21:29,079
the last two albums.

1759
01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:31,079
Speaker 2: I don't think it's kind of like, oh my god,

1760
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:32,600
the Grand returned to form.

1761
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like, yeah, this is this is

1762
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,279
twenty twenty Slam of God with a couple more songs

1763
01:21:38,279 --> 01:21:40,600
that I like. I think, like generally, I just think

1764
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,920
the album. I don't know if it's the the chemistry

1765
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,920
between the band members a little more at it, I think,

1766
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,640
you know, or was it Sepsis was the lead single?

1767
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 2: Was it?

1768
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,359
Speaker 3: It was like the first one, which that was different

1769
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:55,520
and that that I think that did kind of like, yeah,

1770
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,479
get on blow and scarp a little bit, and that

1771
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,319
that is probably likely to blame for everyone kind of

1772
01:21:59,399 --> 01:22:01,920
like really getting caught up in the kind of like

1773
01:22:02,399 --> 01:22:03,960
swell of oh my God, Lamb of God and good

1774
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,720
again that they were still good anyway. I just think,

1775
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:09,560
I mean, this is probably I would say this is

1776
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,119
the best way to went these Lamb of God record.

1777
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,279
I would still put it below every other Lamb of

1778
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:19,159
God record, but it's an improvement and I can see

1779
01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:21,279
why that's, you know, some people can get sort of

1780
01:22:21,319 --> 01:22:25,439
like caught up in. But I also don't see the

1781
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,800
kind of like again, oh my God, Lamb of God

1782
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:28,520
are amazing again.

1783
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 2: Brand returned to form.

1784
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,279
Speaker 4: Who I'm I'm really baffled by this. I've got to

1785
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:34,479
be honest, because.

1786
01:22:34,319 --> 01:22:37,319
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we're basically the same page. I

1787
01:22:37,359 --> 01:22:39,359
was having a fucking I was having a meltout, and

1788
01:22:39,359 --> 01:22:41,640
I was like, what's happened? How has everyone heard a

1789
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,279
completely different album to the one that I've heard?

1790
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,520
Speaker 4: Because it's people who you know, a people I trustpot

1791
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,439
it's people who are maybe more cynical than certainly we are,

1792
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,199
who like more of the type people to go, oh

1793
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:54,880
who cares about Lamb of God? These days, and some

1794
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:55,760
of those people I know.

1795
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Are going, then I'm a God album.

1796
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 4: It's really it's really something, and it's when that's the

1797
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,479
framing of it, and it's about that I have this

1798
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,439
long history of loving and I put this record on

1799
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:09,600
and as song goes by and I'm not feeling that

1800
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:14,199
I've like you say, but I became increasingly perplexed. I

1801
01:23:14,279 --> 01:23:16,840
was going at, when's this gonna become the album that

1802
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,800
I'm being told it is? And often that kind of

1803
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,920
excitement I think could be forgiven if there's something kind

1804
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:23,640
of obvious about it, where so if they're going back

1805
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:25,520
to a style or like an old members come back

1806
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,800
or something like that. Getting swept up is part of

1807
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,039
being a music fan. I don't blame people that. But

1808
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:34,920
Lamb of God just making another twenty twenties Lamb of

1809
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,880
God album, which I think has many of the same

1810
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,239
problems as the last two. But going well, this one

1811
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:42,079
sounds this is a bit of a noise rock tune

1812
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:43,600
and this one's pretty thrashy.

1813
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, but okay, people think they sound like

1814
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,359
the Algorithm now because the album cover looks like it.

1815
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,079
You know, like, I think one of the most frustrating

1816
01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:56,279
things about regularly reviewing records is when an album sort

1817
01:23:56,279 --> 01:23:59,000
of a rise with a narrative already having developed and

1818
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:01,000
you just can't speak to When you just like the

1819
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:02,640
people who are saying this is the best since Wrath,

1820
01:24:03,159 --> 01:24:05,760
I'm like, what is this mass psychosis that are set

1821
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,479
in where people are talking about a record that's essentially

1822
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,880
exactly the same as the last two. It's suddenly really different.

1823
01:24:12,039 --> 01:24:14,960
The lineup is exact same, feels the exact same, the

1824
01:24:15,079 --> 01:24:17,760
track list operates basically the same, the sound is mostly

1825
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,600
the same, and annoyingly that means unavoidably like if I

1826
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,880
had been given this album to listen to and review

1827
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,279
in a vacuum where I had no access to anything

1828
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:27,119
anyone else has said about it, I would have come

1829
01:24:27,159 --> 01:24:28,720
in and going like, oh, yeah, this is another pretty

1830
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,399
enjoyable Lamb of God album, so expectedly about the level

1831
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,119
of where they've been. Here's a couple of highlights where

1832
01:24:33,119 --> 01:24:35,199
they do something a little bit more interesting, and instead

1833
01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:37,039
I'm here, I've sort of arrived, just already on the

1834
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:39,960
backfoot of having to instead answer that narrative that's appeared,

1835
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,880
and through that I have to reassert I do like

1836
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,479
this album, and there are those moments on it when

1837
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,000
it is worthy of some particular praise, but I just

1838
01:24:48,079 --> 01:24:49,680
have to put the disclaimer up front that I'm not

1839
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,079
of this same mindset that has come through through like

1840
01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:55,520
other takes on this album. For me, the feel of

1841
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,319
the band on these three albums is notable and distinct

1842
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:01,039
from the old album, and part of it is the

1843
01:25:01,079 --> 01:25:02,680
natural thing that you can just sort of generically fall

1844
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,880
back on and go, oh yeah, the metal band's age there,

1845
01:25:05,079 --> 01:25:07,239
the full throttle energy of it changes whatever. But with

1846
01:25:07,359 --> 01:25:09,279
Lamb of God, that is alongside the loss of Chris

1847
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:11,760
Adler on the drums, who was so much of the

1848
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,680
source of how classic Lamb of God moved in the

1849
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,840
way that you can compare. You know, Joey Jordison Slipknot

1850
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,680
to Sliptnot afterwards, and you know, Jay Weinberg did a

1851
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,720
great job on his albums, but it's not the same feel.

1852
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,960
The same is true of Lamb of God. And while

1853
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:25,560
Chris Adler has that sort of liquid groove where the

1854
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,800
way Lamb of God sort of slink and glide came

1855
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,279
in big part from him, our cruise is much more

1856
01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:34,000
straightforward and the way Lamb of God approached rhythm is

1857
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:37,640
much more like basic hammer on every beat rather than

1858
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,720
sort of wiggle and struck, and it gives Lamb of

1859
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,039
God this sort of stocky, more lump and feel than

1860
01:25:43,079 --> 01:25:45,279
they once had, and they can work that and use

1861
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:47,319
it to their advantage, as they have done on these

1862
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:50,039
three largely good albums. But the feel is not there

1863
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:52,760
from the classic albums, and that's not magically coming back here,

1864
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,279
and that is part of why I do think that

1865
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:56,399
the two twenty tens albums that people don't really sing

1866
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,119
the praise off so readily are still also much better

1867
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,520
than everything that they've made since, and that state of

1868
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,319
play has not changed on this album. That's still how

1869
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:06,399
the bands feel. They've not done that magic trick, and

1870
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,359
so that's how it is. And so that is my

1871
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,079
primary clarification as to why I don't think this is

1872
01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:14,319
even really worth trying to stack against their classic era album.

1873
01:26:14,359 --> 01:26:15,800
So I won't do that from here on out. In

1874
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,880
terms of this current period and approaching how we would

1875
01:26:19,159 --> 01:26:21,880
their last couple of albums. I think the opening run

1876
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,560
of like three four songs on this is when the

1877
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,359
album is at its best. I think that stretch is

1878
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,560
really good and as we say, there are the moments

1879
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,800
within that where there is some kind of detectable Lamb

1880
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,600
of God doing something different approach that gives it a

1881
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,119
bit of spark and character. It's not every song, and

1882
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:36,920
I think the way that this album settles into essentially

1883
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,199
the stock Lamb of God that we know is ultimately

1884
01:26:39,279 --> 01:26:41,319
what defines this album overall. But to say that there

1885
01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:43,439
aren't the moments of the fresh spark would be unjust

1886
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:45,600
like hu'ed hope, a Lamb of God album to do

1887
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,840
it starts strong. I think the title track is a

1888
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,840
fine opener that particularly works with that almost sacrament esque

1889
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,319
like quasi religious grandeur that even just Randy himself can

1890
01:26:55,399 --> 01:26:56,720
bring to stuff. When you're doing that, you know you

1891
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,159
have known me by a different name. I am the

1892
01:26:58,199 --> 01:27:00,399
watcher outside the frame, like he's embodying some kind of

1893
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,960
great being of power. It's really good. I don't think

1894
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,720
it's an above average opener for them. In fact, if

1895
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,600
you look at the last two albums, Momente Maury on

1896
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,880
the self titled is actually really the song from this

1897
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,079
current chapter of Lamb of God that has cemented itself

1898
01:27:14,119 --> 01:27:16,600
as like arguably the classic I remember at their headlining

1899
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,279
Bloodstock twenty twenty two performance, their opening with that and

1900
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:21,840
being like taken aback at how passionately the crowd responded

1901
01:27:22,039 --> 01:27:25,000
to that particular song, and then Omens opened with Nevermore,

1902
01:27:25,119 --> 01:27:26,760
which is like maybe more a dark Horse pick, but

1903
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,039
possibly you know, a pick for the best single of

1904
01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:32,840
this era as well. Into Oblivion happily hangs with those

1905
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,760
two songs, and it does its job as the great

1906
01:27:35,079 --> 01:27:37,319
Lamb of God opener. I wouldn't say it's like above

1907
01:27:37,359 --> 01:27:38,920
and beyond what they'd already been doing.

1908
01:27:40,119 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a really strong sort

1909
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,119
of start to the recorder. You know, it's very immediately

1910
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:47,000
recognizable with lambacord. It is the kind of like the

1911
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:49,439
stock Lamb of God groover in a lot of ways,

1912
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,039
except the as right, it doesn't have you know, chrisad

1913
01:27:52,079 --> 01:27:54,279
on the Jobs, which does kind of which does make

1914
01:27:54,319 --> 01:27:57,560
it a bit more rigid how it approached those grooves.

1915
01:27:58,039 --> 01:28:01,439
But you know, it's a kind of hard hitting, nasty

1916
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,600
but crowd pleasing metal banger. I think Randy is, like

1917
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,079
I do think Randy on this album on a lot

1918
01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:08,680
of tracks, I do think he sounds really great.

1919
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean, and again he always does. I think there

1920
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:11,680
were songs on those.

1921
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: Other albums that he'd sent, but I don't know, like

1922
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:16,520
maybe it's a bit more fiery, Maybe it's on these

1923
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,039
first couple of songs. Parasocial Christ is you know, freshy

1924
01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:22,119
Lamb of God, which I think the first four songs

1925
01:28:22,119 --> 01:28:25,199
of this album are four of my favorite twenty twenties

1926
01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:27,359
Lamb of God songs that I'm probably part of the

1927
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,000
of like Omens and Ditch. Really like I would either

1928
01:28:30,079 --> 01:28:32,439
in that sort of category, which again for Omens, it

1929
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:33,800
was kind of Omens and Ditch of the two I

1930
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,079
kind of lean on as they're like those two are

1931
01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:38,479
like top tier of the twenty twenties, and I would

1932
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,439
put these sort of first four songs in that kind

1933
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:41,960
of category.

1934
01:28:43,159 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 4: I don't already have any strong feelings about either of

1935
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,119
these first two songs, to be honest into believing. I

1936
01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:51,279
think I quite like the Spidery Riff that has this

1937
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:53,720
bit like walk with Me and Hell but a bit faster,

1938
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,119
But the song itself isn't anywhere near as memorable as

1939
01:28:57,159 --> 01:29:00,000
that Parasocial Christ. It's a similar thing across these record

1940
01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:03,439
where there's moments where there's songs we're in the moment

1941
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,640
of listening to it, you go, oh, this is cool.

1942
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,640
Lamb of God going thrashy. That's a nice sound, but

1943
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,680
the song itself isn't all that memorable and like the

1944
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,560
best Lamb of God stuff, you hear it once and

1945
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,439
it's it's like a nursery. Rather, it's in your head forever.

1946
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,199
For me, the first song, Sepsis and the Killing Floor,

1947
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,920
if we're talking about the first four songs, are two

1948
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,199
with the highlights of the record. Sepsis I'm not I'm

1949
01:29:23,239 --> 01:29:25,119
still not totally taken with every single aspect of it,

1950
01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:27,039
but at least it's a very interesting song. The Killing Floor.

1951
01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:28,479
If there's a song on this sound which I think

1952
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,600
does the Lamb of God thing successfully or like to

1953
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,439
the highest standard in a way that Ditch did on

1954
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,399
the last record Woman Mentory on the one before that,

1955
01:29:36,039 --> 01:29:37,880
that's the one I'm taking. I don't think it's as

1956
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,319
good as either of those songs, but I I think

1957
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:43,199
it's like that's when they sound most convincing.

1958
01:29:43,359 --> 01:29:45,399
Speaker 1: I think, okay, well, just to polish off these first

1959
01:29:45,399 --> 01:29:47,359
four songs, because I think we've all landed slightly differently

1960
01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:49,279
on them. For me, I like the opener, then the

1961
01:29:49,319 --> 01:29:51,640
album does jump up a little bit with Parasocial Christ

1962
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,199
and Sepsis as a pair. That's my high point of it.

1963
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,479
Parasosh Christ has what I like to call the contractor pace.

1964
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,319
There's a certain Lamb of God feel that they clearly

1965
01:29:59,359 --> 01:30:01,720
can still rep very well with this, you know lineup,

1966
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,840
which is that kind of jackhammer machinery cranking along a

1967
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,680
high production line, you know, rapidly hammering into place sort

1968
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,720
of feel. And Parasol Christ as well. It's just a

1969
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,960
cool name for a metal song, and there's cool subject

1970
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,760
matter there for Randy's spit about, and I do agree.

1971
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,520
I think he has always been consistently been that. Like

1972
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,760
you go back to a reviews of Omens or the

1973
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,239
self title or whatever, and you're like, Randy is still

1974
01:30:20,279 --> 01:30:22,279
fucking amazing because he's never let the side down. But

1975
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,119
Randy being a you know, socially conscious kind of guy,

1976
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,119
he does always seem to have that fire in his

1977
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:29,960
belly and approaching it with intelligence as well, and that's

1978
01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:32,680
no less true here Parasocial Christ. I think Rips that is,

1979
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,800
for me, is going on the you know, the the

1980
01:30:35,079 --> 01:30:37,520
best of you know, twenty twenties Lamb of God list,

1981
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,279
the song that did as a sort of set out

1982
01:30:40,319 --> 01:30:42,119
the stall that I don't think the rest of the

1983
01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:44,239
album really like follows through on, but is still very

1984
01:30:44,279 --> 01:30:46,479
cool its own right is Sepsis, which was a real

1985
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,279
like what the hell is this as the lead single?

1986
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,680
That doesn't feel like like, you know, if they put

1987
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,359
out into Oblivion first, so that would be like, oh yeah,

1988
01:30:52,359 --> 01:30:55,680
that's the standard Lamb of God first single. This feels

1989
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,680
like it kind of escapes the safe you know, sort

1990
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,640
of grew that they normally sit in, and you hear

1991
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,119
all about you know, Lamb of God and having these

1992
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:07,000
roots loving sludge metal and noise rock, and you know,

1993
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:09,239
Steve Austin from Today Is the Day produced their first

1994
01:31:09,279 --> 01:31:11,399
album and all of that kind of stuff. This song

1995
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,399
is the most that has come out in forever, and

1996
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,399
for me, it really works where it's great hearing John

1997
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,760
Campbell push to the four of that there's that almost

1998
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,720
like panic cord dialing just sort of thing going on

1999
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:22,880
as it sways in. It sounds almost like a kind

2000
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:27,199
of slowed down drunken prancer band, like genuinely, and the

2001
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:30,399
way that Randy you know, slurs and moves his voice

2002
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:32,680
in ways kind of unpredictable to the standard Lamb of

2003
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,960
God approach. He speeds his voice up and down and stuff.

2004
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,439
It's really good. But it's the switch halfway through where

2005
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,760
they they sort of take the two modes of Lamb

2006
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,560
of God that you'd think would be hard to mesh,

2007
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,800
which are the languid southern sludge side and then the

2008
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,800
tight composed modern metal side, and as that song switches

2009
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,640
kind of halfway through, they do it really really well.

2010
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,640
And it was an ear catching first single, and now

2011
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,039
in the album, I just think it is, like again,

2012
01:31:54,079 --> 01:31:56,560
a really great standout track for this era. And then

2013
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,079
the killing flow just again Brownethy's first four I do agree.

2014
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:01,239
I think it's maybe not like its own mode as

2015
01:32:01,279 --> 01:32:03,840
like the first three songs all are, but does have

2016
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,000
a hell of a nasty breakdown that goes into that

2017
01:32:06,119 --> 01:32:09,840
like tight almost like math mosh, you know, smash shit stuff.

2018
01:32:10,039 --> 01:32:12,560
First four songs this again all doing slightly different things,

2019
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,760
really strong, and you want to add all those songs

2020
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,359
to the best of modern Lamb of God, you know,

2021
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,159
hit list, then by all means they all warrant their

2022
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:22,239
place there. It's from there that this settles into the

2023
01:32:22,319 --> 01:32:25,880
being that kind of like half really good tracks, half

2024
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:28,960
merely decent ratio that the last couple of albums have

2025
01:32:29,039 --> 01:32:31,600
also had, and I think it quite harshly hits that

2026
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,199
with El Vassio, which it's the singy, randy Lamb of

2027
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:37,560
God song post Overlord, you know, and and Overlord has

2028
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,199
never been one of my favorite Lamb of God songs,

2029
01:32:39,359 --> 01:32:40,800
but it is ten years later and I can kind

2030
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,600
of remember how it goes. You know, this one just

2031
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:44,640
like really kills the momentum for me straight away.

2032
01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is the kind of the

2033
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:47,640
stick part of the album.

2034
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,159
Speaker 3: And again I really like, you know, Stoman Janks are

2035
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:53,319
those like sort of grungey kind of like sung songs.

2036
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:55,479
I've got fun this for them. I think this is decent,

2037
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,199
but it does of like hit the brakes on the

2038
01:32:58,239 --> 01:32:59,720
pacing of the album a little bit. And again because

2039
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:01,880
the sound it does follow the sort of same struggle.

2040
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,960
But it's like forty minutes ten songs. That's what the

2041
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:06,199
last like two Lamb of God adams have been there,

2042
01:33:06,279 --> 01:33:09,399
so sticking rigidly to that. So when your midpoint does

2043
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,039
kind of like really slow down half those sort of bangers,

2044
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:15,039
it is a bit jarring. But I think Saint Kavin's

2045
01:33:15,039 --> 01:33:16,119
will come on the other side of it. I think

2046
01:33:16,119 --> 01:33:17,560
it's really fucking good as well. I think that the

2047
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:21,159
main riff for that fucks. It's like got a bit

2048
01:33:21,159 --> 01:33:22,760
of like a nasty lurching thing to it, but it's

2049
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,359
still kind of like a bett of a chorus. I

2050
01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:26,079
think like that's the other one where that that kind

2051
01:33:26,119 --> 01:33:28,520
of gets the album at least back on track for

2052
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,640
me after el Vassio, kind of like just I thin

2053
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,520
it's a bad one and I like this sort of

2054
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,800
lane that lamb, but I do kind of see it

2055
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,840
as it's the it's the one stumble on the record.

2056
01:33:38,039 --> 01:33:40,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it s Saint Carin's Wheel is one

2057
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:42,039
of the best songs on the second half of the album.

2058
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:44,600
It does it taps into again the sort of the

2059
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,000
mode that Parisits of Christ or the Killing Floor has.

2060
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:48,560
It is only track sex on the album, so there

2061
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,000
are a few more after that point that I don't

2062
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,800
think are quite as strong at Saint Kavin's whil and

2063
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,479
again just go back to El Vassio. It's it's not catchy,

2064
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,720
it's too clean to have that much atmosphere to it.

2065
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,479
It doesn't go anywhere, and I think it's you know,

2066
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,239
not one of the strongest modes, not one of the

2067
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:04,600
strongest songs they've done in a mode that isn't really

2068
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,199
the strongest mode, you know, and then you get a

2069
01:34:06,199 --> 01:34:08,239
thousand years later on doing it again and again. I

2070
01:34:08,359 --> 01:34:11,560
appreciate the southern rock bass groove and the cow bell

2071
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:12,960
and stuff as well, but the song is still a

2072
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,520
bit trudgy and a bit drab, and I just feel like,

2073
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,279
if these songs they haven't gone anywhere, and they haven't

2074
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:18,840
improved from what they've been doing on it on the

2075
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,319
last several albums, then what's the hubbub about them?

2076
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 4: I think some of the experiments on this record, and

2077
01:34:26,039 --> 01:34:30,720
it's there. I think my problems are not necessarily the

2078
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,439
experiments in theory, where in almost every case I think

2079
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,159
it's a cool idea. They come down to other problems

2080
01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:37,479
that I seem to have with Lamb of God in

2081
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,800
the twenty twenties generally. First of all, we've sort of

2082
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:46,399
been touched on it. But I art Cruise is a

2083
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:51,319
very competent drummers in a basically impossible situation. But I

2084
01:34:51,399 --> 01:34:53,520
don't know if Lamb of God can make a genuinely

2085
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,680
great album without Chris Sadler at this point, it's like

2086
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,840
there's just something missing. And it means that in those

2087
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,840
moments like Evasi, where you want someone who's got a

2088
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:03,640
bit more feel, a bit more groove, a bit more

2089
01:35:04,079 --> 01:35:05,880
you know, a bit more loosey goosey, and you have

2090
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,760
someone who's very leaden, it just it doesn't work for me.

2091
01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:14,079
And that's true across the record, Like when it's go Enforcement,

2092
01:35:14,079 --> 01:35:15,720
it's a bit more extreme, and it's the sort of

2093
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:17,920
thing where you imagine Chris Addam would light this up

2094
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,359
and Ark Cruise is merely playing the drums on this part.

2095
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,319
At least that's how it sounds. It just lacks sparkle.

2096
01:35:24,399 --> 01:35:26,319
And then another thing which and I've not seen anyone

2097
01:35:26,359 --> 01:35:28,119
else mention this, and I might be completely alone on this.

2098
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,000
I think Josh Wilbert does a very competent, not even competent,

2099
01:35:32,079 --> 01:35:35,039
like very expert production job. But everything sounds great. It's

2100
01:35:35,079 --> 01:35:39,479
well mixed, you know, there's it's just it's nice, it's

2101
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:44,079
very palatable. I find these alms slightly faceless and lacking teeth,

2102
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:46,520
and it means when you have those moments like El

2103
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,199
Vassio or even Stepsis, which would depend on something a

2104
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:52,520
bit more atmospheric, they end up sounding kind of sterile,

2105
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,039
and they lack the jagged edge that I think those

2106
01:35:55,119 --> 01:35:58,520
experiments would sound much more exciting if it follow they

2107
01:35:58,560 --> 01:35:59,720
were at the bleeding edge of something.

2108
01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to see them go and work

2109
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:03,600
with someone else as well. Not that again, I don't

2110
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,439
I think they he does a bad job, but just

2111
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,199
to add something fresh and I mean go to an

2112
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:10,119
awn with Billy Anderson or something fuck it like, you know,

2113
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,279
go and go and live your like genuinely slightly weirder dreams.

2114
01:36:14,359 --> 01:36:16,640
And I think for me, where again the Art Cruise

2115
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,159
thing jumps out the most is like the back end

2116
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:21,520
of the album, after Saint Catharine's Wheel, when it kind

2117
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,199
of loses its pace and you get songs like blunt

2118
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:25,960
Force Blues, and I think particularly Bully and Devise and Destroy.

2119
01:36:26,399 --> 01:36:28,079
They feel like they need to be played about one

2120
01:36:28,119 --> 01:36:30,119
point five times of speed that they're currently at. You know,

2121
01:36:30,199 --> 01:36:32,000
they sort of just you know, they trudge along in

2122
01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:35,279
that way and they are somewhat stiff and predictable in

2123
01:36:35,359 --> 01:36:37,119
the way that like Art Cruise Lamb of God is.

2124
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:39,960
They don't have that southern metal octopus feel that you know,

2125
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,960
classic Lamb of God has and again I still quite

2126
01:36:43,119 --> 01:36:43,399
like him.

2127
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:43,640
Speaker 3: You know.

2128
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: I like the main riff in bloom Forth Blues. That

2129
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,840
ride symbol beat at the start is cool. I like

2130
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,600
the bit with the air raid siren. But they basically

2131
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,079
feel like every one of these tracks that they've done

2132
01:36:52,119 --> 01:36:54,399
since they're self titled, Like, am I mental? These are

2133
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,560
these exact same Lamb of God songs when we've had

2134
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,520
for six years. What's happened? I just for me, it's

2135
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,079
another good album. I don't feel the need to inflate

2136
01:37:02,119 --> 01:37:04,039
it beyond that, and I'm a bit annoyed, you know,

2137
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:06,199
maybe myself really like, if you really feel this strongly

2138
01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:07,840
about it, then by all means, you know, don't let

2139
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,039
me take that away from you, that I have to

2140
01:37:10,119 --> 01:37:12,439
sit here and say that I don't really feel whatever

2141
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,840
everyone else is feeling. I've seen again, I've seen it

2142
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,479
said that because you know, this album is like thirty

2143
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,079
nine minutes long, that it's got a bit of snappier

2144
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:21,159
sensibility than the last few. But Omens is forty minutes

2145
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:23,319
and fifty eight seconds. That's not a notable difference.

2146
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:27,159
Speaker 3: So that's I think all ten songs all around forty minutes. Yeah,

2147
01:37:27,159 --> 01:37:30,359
it is quite funny. That's like, I think you might

2148
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,640
be kind of like imagining that on a little bit.

2149
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's only a comparison to resolution, which I think

2150
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,359
is proof that if you put fourteen tracks on a

2151
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,319
Lamb of God album rather than ten, people will suddenly

2152
01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:43,239
act like none of it is up to classic standard,

2153
01:37:43,239 --> 01:37:46,279
because that is still even the more ambitious record. The

2154
01:37:46,319 --> 01:37:48,439
things people are attributing to this one, that's still the

2155
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,840
more ambitious and eclectic and successful when it does it

2156
01:37:51,159 --> 01:37:53,720
record compared to this. And you know, I think of

2157
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,920
the three twenties albums, I think anyone could be a

2158
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,359
viable choice for someone's favorite. If you do want to

2159
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,520
say that this is far and away your favorite of

2160
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,399
the three twenties albums, then I think that's fair enough.

2161
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,560
I understand that nod for sure. I think for me

2162
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,640
it might still be Omens that hits the hardest overall.

2163
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,119
But this does have its inventive highlights. And if you

2164
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:12,640
were to say that this is the freshest Lamb of

2165
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,319
God a sound of this decade, then I wouldn't argue

2166
01:38:14,319 --> 01:38:17,479
too strongly to say that this is dramatically better than

2167
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,760
everything they've done since the Glory years, that ended in

2168
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,319
two thousand and nine, I think is off its rocker

2169
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,600
a bit. The albums that gave us Straight for the Sun, Desolation,

2170
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:30,279
Ghost Walking, King Me, Cheated five one two, Still Echoes, Memento, Maury,

2171
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:34,800
Resurrection Man, Never More, Ditch Omens casually dismissing all those

2172
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,079
for Saint Catharine's Wheel and Bully in a Thousand Years

2173
01:38:37,079 --> 01:38:37,520
and like what.

2174
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 4: You on about?

2175
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,560
Speaker 1: What's that's the modern level and this is on the level.

2176
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,199
So like another pretty good Lamb of God record. Sorry,

2177
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:46,079
everyone who really does like want to, you know, start

2178
01:38:46,119 --> 01:38:49,079
the party on this one into oblivion from Lamb of God.

2179
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:53,680
Let us really continue. Now we've got past our biggest names.

2180
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,840
We're gonna really interesting reviews, I think. And the first

2181
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:00,800
one comes from Garrhea, a band whose name I'm still

2182
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:02,640
not really sure how to properly pronounce. So that's what

2183
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:04,880
I'm going with. It might not quite be it. This

2184
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,359
album is called Loss, and this is a very interesting

2185
01:39:07,399 --> 01:39:10,920
album to me because every now and then you watch

2186
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,319
in real time something happen to a band that just

2187
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:17,119
feels unlike what you've sort of seen before, and Garria,

2188
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:22,159
I think, have had possibly the weirdest it almost sounds

2189
01:39:22,199 --> 01:39:24,199
like mad libs when you try to describe it to someone.

2190
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:27,239
Trajectory for a metal band in this decade that has

2191
01:39:27,319 --> 01:39:29,640
made this album one on the horizon where I thought, well,

2192
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,640
whichever way that goes, we've got to talk about it

2193
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,000
because it's so strange, and to explain why and how

2194
01:39:35,079 --> 01:39:36,239
we got to this point, you're going to have to

2195
01:39:36,319 --> 01:39:39,159
let me monologue for a bit. Garia are historically a

2196
01:39:39,239 --> 01:39:42,279
black metal band from Portugal. This year exactly marks their

2197
01:39:42,359 --> 01:39:44,520
tenth anniversary as a band. We first reviewed them on

2198
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,439
this show in twenty twenty with their second album, Limbo

2199
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,399
was released. Loss is now album five. So we've got

2200
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:52,880
some gaps to fill in. First, we will zoom out

2201
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,840
and look at the wider context that has produced Garria.

2202
01:39:56,199 --> 01:39:59,600
There are currently two genres that have become synonymous with

2203
01:40:00,279 --> 01:40:03,239
masks and anonymous figures in the presentation of bands, and

2204
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:05,239
it is the bizarrest two genres to have found each

2205
01:40:05,239 --> 01:40:07,920
other like that, But they are black metal and metalcore.

2206
01:40:08,279 --> 01:40:10,640
With metal core that's obviously a recent phenomenon with sleep

2207
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,359
Token and now President becoming the big things, and that's

2208
01:40:13,359 --> 01:40:15,680
obviously a very trendy way to present yourself to invite

2209
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,640
some kind of law. If you just look at commercial

2210
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:19,640
metal at large, obviously got ghosts and these other things

2211
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,880
as well. With black metal. For when that became more

2212
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,840
the zeitgeist, we have to go back about ten plus years.

2213
01:40:26,399 --> 01:40:28,600
Maguire from Poland are a band that we do not

2214
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:30,279
tend to talk about very much because they have become

2215
01:40:30,279 --> 01:40:33,319
associated with some very sketchy, nasty things. But objectively speaking,

2216
01:40:33,359 --> 01:40:35,640
they had a massive impact on the black metal underground

2217
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,000
of the twenty tens. And they were not alone in

2218
01:40:38,119 --> 01:40:40,039
creating this sort of mold, because you also had the

2219
01:40:40,079 --> 01:40:43,760
emergence of Batushka and Shamash and Cult of Fire, and

2220
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:46,800
the boom of the Icelandic scene with bands like Starti Daldi,

2221
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:48,520
and you mix that in with the impact of the

2222
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,000
Satanist era Bohemoth and visuals like the Masks in the

2223
01:40:51,039 --> 01:40:53,560
Blood of Trumpet Gabrielle video and all of that as

2224
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,399
a web of complex stuff. But basically, around that time,

2225
01:40:57,079 --> 01:40:59,119
if you were to envision, you know, the image of

2226
01:40:59,239 --> 01:41:02,680
a trendy new black metal band, that image changed from

2227
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,479
the traditional corpse painted spiked bracer aesthetic, which is actually

2228
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,439
now a much more old fashioned idea. If you would

2229
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,600
to visualize a black metal band now into one more

2230
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:15,079
like a gang of faceless, hooded figures in either robes

2231
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:17,840
or leather jackets. And in the wake of all that,

2232
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:19,920
you have bands like Yuada coming out, and you know,

2233
01:41:20,039 --> 01:41:23,119
Abduction and so on, and more and more black metal

2234
01:41:23,159 --> 01:41:25,479
bands who bizarrely, in a case of sort of convergent evolution,

2235
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,119
look a bit like Vessel from Sleep Token like Canode

2236
01:41:28,119 --> 01:41:29,760
and fever Are did basically doing that but with like

2237
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,560
a World War One theme, and they're really popular now.

2238
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,800
And also Garria came through in that time, who musically

2239
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,319
and visually seemed to be another band in that Maguarish

2240
01:41:37,399 --> 01:41:40,000
sort of mold. Garria were never one of my favorite

2241
01:41:40,079 --> 01:41:41,960
new black metal bands, essentially because I thought that the

2242
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,039
bands that they were drawing from, like Maguarre and Shamash,

2243
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,319
had already done that sort of thing much better. But

2244
01:41:46,399 --> 01:41:48,319
I did quite enjoy those first couple of albums for

2245
01:41:48,399 --> 01:41:50,159
what they were. I liked that sound. And then they

2246
01:41:50,199 --> 01:41:52,279
started to get really popular and kind of break out

2247
01:41:52,359 --> 01:41:54,000
as a black metal band. They started to build a

2248
01:41:54,039 --> 01:41:56,640
reputation as a really intense live band, and I can

2249
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:58,760
attest to that like one of my first indicators that

2250
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,039
something might be a bit different, but this band was

2251
01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:04,279
that their frontman, Lie You've, despite the faithless appearance, did

2252
01:42:04,399 --> 01:42:06,640
not feel like a black metal vocalist because he would

2253
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:10,720
be doing this really flamboyant physical motion somewhere between like

2254
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:14,199
a trained dancer, and then clearly behaving much more like

2255
01:42:14,279 --> 01:42:18,159
a metalcore or a hardcore vocalist in constantly riling up

2256
01:42:18,199 --> 01:42:20,520
the crowd to jump up and down or whatever, which

2257
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,760
is not really like how black metal shows vibe. Like

2258
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:24,840
just watching this guy, this is like again four or

2259
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:27,119
five years ago. At this point, behind the hood, you

2260
01:42:27,159 --> 01:42:28,640
could tell that this is someone who has feet in

2261
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:31,119
that world and had probably come through being at metal

2262
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:33,640
core shows and that kind of thing. And their following

2263
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:36,000
couple of albums started to clearly present themselves in a

2264
01:42:36,039 --> 01:42:39,079
way that suggested wider appeal. I had lost interest in

2265
01:42:39,159 --> 01:42:41,279
Garya a couple of albums ago. I enjoyed the sound

2266
01:42:41,279 --> 01:42:42,880
where they came from, but on their last couple of

2267
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:45,399
albums they started to turn that into something way cleaner

2268
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,560
and more toothless for my tastes. I just thought, like,

2269
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:49,800
this doesn't really serve a purpose for me anymore. I'm

2270
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:51,920
much more interested in this one because the transformation is

2271
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,239
so weird. But their last two albums gradually like you know,

2272
01:42:55,319 --> 01:42:58,680
tidying and glossing up the sound, introducing some modern, pretty

2273
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:00,760
post black metal sort of l's that kind of thing,

2274
01:43:01,159 --> 01:43:03,720
and they were undoubtedly more popular than their first albums were,

2275
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:05,479
Like they were getting bigger all the time. I would,

2276
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:07,720
in fact invite you now listener to pull up their

2277
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,600
albums on streaming and chronologically track their album artwork, because

2278
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,560
you can clearly see it there where their first two albums,

2279
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,119
those are black metal albums. Undoubtedly they look like they

2280
01:43:17,159 --> 01:43:19,239
are born of the underground of the twenty tens, and

2281
01:43:19,359 --> 01:43:22,520
then they're following too. They look related to that world maybe,

2282
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,039
but they are literally much shinier. Like Mirage has this

2283
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:27,800
sort of their kind of signature symbol case in this

2284
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,439
like metallic goal that looks much more digital than traditionally

2285
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:33,560
illustrated coma in twenty twenty four kind of by that

2286
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,119
point looks like it could not even necessarily be a

2287
01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:37,720
black metal album. I think you can look at it

2288
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:39,399
and go, yeah, potentially like a post black metal albu

2289
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:40,680
which is kind of what it is, that style of

2290
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,760
prettier visual but it's a long way at that point

2291
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,960
from the bands they started off with, and then the

2292
01:43:45,039 --> 01:43:47,880
cover for Loss as we finally reached this album that

2293
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:50,520
not in a million years as a black metal cover,

2294
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:53,199
that is a Silent Planet album cover, that is an

2295
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:58,920
invent animate album cover. It even symmetrically aligns, and the

2296
01:43:59,039 --> 01:44:02,640
transformation is complete. I am absolutely fascinated by this album

2297
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,640
because I have never before even had to consider the

2298
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:10,439
possibility of a Maguire Behemoth esque black metal band becoming

2299
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:14,199
an octane core band. It feels incomprehensible, like the conditions

2300
01:44:14,199 --> 01:44:16,439
have never been in place for that to happen. They're

2301
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,039
kind of like there are detectable black metal traces still

2302
01:44:19,079 --> 01:44:20,680
within the music, which again I think makes us a

2303
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:23,920
bit more stranger proposition than if it was just straight

2304
01:44:24,039 --> 01:44:27,359
like a transformation into a metal core album. But this

2305
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,720
is not taking influence from those black metal bands anymore.

2306
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:33,359
It is taking massive influence from contemporary commercial metal core,

2307
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,479
and as a result we have one of the weirdest,

2308
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,720
most unlikely hybrids that this decade in metal has produced

2309
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:39,159
us far.

2310
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:44,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not coming at this from a perspective

2311
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:47,319
of like black metal pur purity, like most of the

2312
01:44:47,359 --> 01:44:49,760
black metal I like, you know, comes with post or

2313
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,680
gaze attached to it, you know, like that those the

2314
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,439
bands I coind of mostly into I like, despite how

2315
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:56,199
much we ran on it.

2316
01:44:56,279 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 2: I love metalcore, so the prospect of like a.

2317
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,239
Speaker 3: Kind of metal confused black metal band like like I like,

2318
01:45:02,319 --> 01:45:04,159
you know, black and hardcore, that sort of stuff, Like

2319
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:09,399
on paper, this could be my bag. I think this

2320
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:10,840
is one of the worst aims I've heard this year.

2321
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:15,399
I am like in with two feet on this and

2322
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:18,960
maybe it is the hype around it around it this

2323
01:45:19,159 --> 01:45:21,560
to me like again like there are things that do

2324
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:25,159
kind of give it a bit it is more compositionally

2325
01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:30,560
like interesting and kind of better arranged than as you say,

2326
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,399
a Silent Planet or a Latter Day north An album

2327
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,840
or a Daisy Crame will pick any of those bands

2328
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,119
a've bit more to it than that. But when I

2329
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:40,000
see this out, when I've seen this album, how does

2330
01:45:40,039 --> 01:45:43,760
like some bold and brave kind of like break Up Home?

2331
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:46,880
I'm like, what is bold and brave about sounding like

2332
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:48,640
the most popular thing in metal right now?

2333
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,199
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand that, and that's that is.

2334
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 3: Almost what's made me kind of going with a pre

2335
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,960
existing narrative as you had with LAMB of God.

2336
01:45:56,079 --> 01:45:59,079
Speaker 2: Just now I've had this with this gay career album

2337
01:45:59,359 --> 01:45:59,880
that I've gone.

2338
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:04,640
Speaker 3: I hate every second of this like and I again,

2339
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,560
maybe it is because my hatred of octane called modern

2340
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:09,159
metal cord when it is done to a genre I

2341
01:46:09,319 --> 01:46:12,680
hold dearly, But this is kind of just that, but

2342
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,520
with the and with a blast bit occasionally thrown in.

2343
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:17,720
I hate that the vocalist is called Alpha.

2344
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just had the worst time trying to sort of

2345
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:23,119
work out what the deal is with this.

2346
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 4: So in a way I understand why Garia have done

2347
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,680
this right because I agree, but I think they were

2348
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,479
before they did this, just a purely average band. First

2349
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,159
two records pretty cool. I never really listened to them.

2350
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,960
Last two. I couldn't tell you. And there is something

2351
01:46:41,039 --> 01:46:42,960
we said, like, you know, why be an average black

2352
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,840
metal band in a sea of average black metal bands

2353
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,560
that you might as well do something unusual and if

2354
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,359
you have these other influencers, fold them in. I see,

2355
01:46:51,399 --> 01:46:51,640
if it.

2356
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 2: Wins, you're a hero.

2357
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,520
Speaker 4: If it fails, I don't know. At least you did something.

2358
01:46:56,279 --> 01:47:00,239
And I kind of admire that it's an id that

2359
01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:04,279
they've gone so two footed into something new, because you know,

2360
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:06,199
this isn't a sound that I think I've heard before,

2361
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:10,119
except as we've already revealed, it is a sound we've

2362
01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:15,479
heard before, because this isn't like a neat crossover of

2363
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:20,520
these two disparate worlds. It's a modern metalcore record that

2364
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:25,000
is occasionally a ship black metal record, which I've got

2365
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:28,199
to say, Sam, you might have been too kind. I

2366
01:47:28,279 --> 01:47:30,840
think this is my least favorite thing I've heard this year.

2367
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 3: What I'm so it is piss And that's the thing

2368
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:39,079
is if it was a like interesting fusion of black

2369
01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:42,159
metal and metalcore, great, but this is like, this is

2370
01:47:42,199 --> 01:47:45,439
the amateur affliction with blast beats popping up every now

2371
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:48,880
and then. I like, it's it's not even like it's saying,

2372
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:51,079
it's not even good metalcore and good black metal. It's

2373
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:55,520
passable black metal and dogshit metal core coming together to

2374
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,399
give you just a feast of shit.

2375
01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2376
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,680
Speaker 1: The last time I saw Garria was at four Festival

2377
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,039
a couple of years ago, and they seemed a bit

2378
01:48:03,079 --> 01:48:04,640
too big and a bit too polished for it then

2379
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,039
on the previous album. But now, like you can't put

2380
01:48:07,079 --> 01:48:09,279
this in between Dodheim's Guard and a Forest of Stars

2381
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,039
and Mortis, you know, like I can't.

2382
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:14,359
Speaker 2: Imagine them going back do give me Dodd's.

2383
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Different world, But I can't imagine them going back to

2384
01:48:18,039 --> 01:48:19,880
that festival or are any sort of dedicated black metal

2385
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:21,319
festival really off the back of this? Like I, I

2386
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,960
don't like this album very much. I think I sound

2387
01:48:25,039 --> 01:48:27,840
like the incredible champion of it, connect texting two guys

2388
01:48:28,199 --> 01:48:30,159
by me merely saying that it's an album but I'm

2389
01:48:30,199 --> 01:48:32,800
not going to go back to but it is. It's

2390
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:34,520
not good in ways that I've not had to quite

2391
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,159
contend with before because it is. I do I understand

2392
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:39,079
your points. I do think there are. It would be

2393
01:48:39,279 --> 01:48:41,359
a you know, it'd be dishonest to say that there

2394
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:45,239
is not some colliding of two disparate streams here that

2395
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,960
like I said, there were two separate histories that I

2396
01:48:48,039 --> 01:48:49,760
had to lay out before this, like how do we

2397
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,600
get the world of Batushka and Shamash and these type

2398
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:56,039
bands and simultaneously the world of President, Like how do

2399
01:48:56,199 --> 01:49:00,119
those things align? And I think it's very easy to

2400
01:49:00,199 --> 01:49:03,079
view this from the seasoned black metal fan mindset and

2401
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:04,840
treat it like it's just pop music. If you look

2402
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:06,279
at the other way, you know, the other direction that's

2403
01:49:06,279 --> 01:49:08,439
coming from it is more intense than a lot of

2404
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,520
that stuff, and it's easy to see why people who

2405
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:12,520
you know could be really into that. I think it

2406
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,680
does have obviously these kind of intense, flying blast beat

2407
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:19,279
passages from the post black metal world. That is potentially

2408
01:49:19,359 --> 01:49:21,800
a positive ingredient to be introducing into like the metal

2409
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,600
core world. You know, it is a bit more atmospherically

2410
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:26,920
inclined then, like a bad Omens or something. Production Wise,

2411
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,319
it's you know, it's not what I want my black

2412
01:49:29,359 --> 01:49:30,640
metal to sound like, but it's not one of the

2413
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:32,920
worst offenders when it comes to like the really gritless

2414
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,640
metal core production. I think by modern metal standards, it

2415
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:38,159
sounds okay. You take a song like hell Bound and

2416
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:39,920
it has the sort of you know, the physical scale

2417
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:42,000
with which they attack the metal core coming from the

2418
01:49:42,039 --> 01:49:44,680
extreme metal background. If you're into you know, LRNA shore

2419
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,439
and modern architects and all this kind of stuff. It's

2420
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:50,439
got presence, and I don't think the songs are again

2421
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:52,920
arranged poorly. I think probably their experience in the black

2422
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:54,479
metal world first of all, maybe give them a bit

2423
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:55,880
of an edge when it comes to like the ebb

2424
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:58,279
and flow of these kind of songs. I do find

2425
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,680
they get same me very quickly. And the model of

2426
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:05,560
this album has left less room for sonic breadth really

2427
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,319
than what they were doing even before this, which, like

2428
01:50:07,359 --> 01:50:11,479
I said, I kind of lost interesting. It's gonna be loud, bright,

2429
01:50:12,079 --> 01:50:14,880
black metal influenced modern metal core songs with kind of

2430
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:17,000
the odd ambient bits it's got, like you know, a

2431
01:50:17,079 --> 01:50:19,159
song It's Phoenix, has those sort of post black metal

2432
01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:21,560
guitar melodies that are you know what bands like Stalbard

2433
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,239
and Harry Carey for the Sky or whatever, we're doing

2434
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:25,960
better about ten years ten plus years ago. There's not

2435
01:50:26,119 --> 01:50:29,640
much depth to it sonically scream wise, he's you know,

2436
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,680
he's obviously he's worked on the diction more than some

2437
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:35,600
black metal vocalists, right somehow, like the opening verse of

2438
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,960
Luminary somehow feels like he's split the difference between moon

2439
01:50:39,039 --> 01:50:40,760
Spell and Kublai Khan, Like I don't know how you

2440
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:45,319
and them as that's a world to trudge. I Unfortunately

2441
01:50:45,319 --> 01:50:48,319
I can't abide the choruses, And like I said, Luminary

2442
01:50:48,399 --> 01:50:50,479
starts like your sort of average metal core song, neither

2443
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,760
a good one or a bad one overall, really, but

2444
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,520
that sort of melodic yell of the main hook. I

2445
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,399
hate it. It sounds really cheesy, does it Like it's

2446
01:50:58,479 --> 01:50:59,760
cheesy as the word I have to use for it,

2447
01:51:00,079 --> 01:51:02,800
really like uncomfortable, and then no mad later on is

2448
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:06,920
the same where they feel engineered to be stirring in

2449
01:51:07,079 --> 01:51:09,079
the way that those metalcore choruses feel.

2450
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:13,119
Speaker 3: That half song half scream kind of like melodic milk

2451
01:51:13,159 --> 01:51:15,720
of it generally is like, and maybe the things I'm

2452
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,199
going to hard in some it's because I don't listen

2453
01:51:17,239 --> 01:51:19,920
to any of this shit anymore. I like, there's an

2454
01:51:20,039 --> 01:51:21,920
error album people hyping up and I'm just not gonna

2455
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,479
listen to. But I've had to listen to this game

2456
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:25,239
album a few times down, and that's why I guess

2457
01:51:25,279 --> 01:51:27,880
I've come at it so hard. But I'm just so

2458
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:31,399
tired of that half song, half screen chorus. I'm so

2459
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,399
tired of these weightless electronics that sound like you're holding

2460
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:36,800
a seashell up to your ear and it just whushes

2461
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:40,920
around and means absolutely nothing. I'm tired of songs called

2462
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:45,720
librum like the worst fucking shit that makes me like

2463
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:49,439
genuinely angry, Like it's this album is just doing all

2464
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:53,560
these things that I am so so done with and

2465
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:55,560
that's again why I've just had such a kind of

2466
01:51:55,680 --> 01:52:00,279
like vendetta against this album. It is just all the

2467
01:52:00,319 --> 01:52:02,800
things someone to give occasionally throwing in something that makes it,

2468
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:07,520
as you say, more compositionally interesting and great. But what

2469
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,399
you're doing then is you're taking something good and like

2470
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:12,840
watering that down. I don't think the black metal stuff

2471
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,439
actually does anything to really enhance the metal core. I

2472
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:17,720
think this is metalcore making black metal, which again a

2473
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:20,199
genre I'm not the biggest fan of, but when it's

2474
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:22,319
done right, you know, I fucking love that Worm album.

2475
01:52:22,319 --> 01:52:24,960
When that's in the full on like f these like

2476
01:52:25,039 --> 01:52:28,159
blastbeats and all that sounds fucking spectacular. And this is

2477
01:52:28,239 --> 01:52:30,279
taking those kind of moments light where it's all blast

2478
01:52:30,279 --> 01:52:33,840
beats and like big epic kind of things, and it's

2479
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:37,840
making it sound like optane core sludge. I can't find

2480
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,560
any really redeeming features to this album.

2481
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that this thing of you know,

2482
01:52:43,239 --> 01:52:45,800
if you're a metalcore fan, it's gonna be really interesting

2483
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,159
because there's black metal in there that's like it's it's

2484
01:52:49,159 --> 01:52:50,680
like you're trying to put like a pill in a

2485
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:55,000
piece of cheese to feed a dog. But in this case,

2486
01:52:55,399 --> 01:52:58,359
the cheese. The cheese is now the size of a car,

2487
01:52:59,079 --> 01:53:01,239
and you forgot to put pill in there. Like it's

2488
01:53:01,359 --> 01:53:04,239
just it's useless, Like it's just it does not achieve

2489
01:53:04,319 --> 01:53:07,479
that for me. What's like the black metal element doesn't

2490
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:09,960
carry anything that I like about black metal with it,

2491
01:53:10,359 --> 01:53:14,399
So who cares the metalcore typically? So I mean, I

2492
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:16,960
mean the sound of this, it just it initiates a

2493
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:20,680
Pavlovian response in me, Like I just I listen, I

2494
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:22,600
feel like a baby that can't hold its head up.

2495
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,680
It's just it's rolling around on my shoulders miserably. I

2496
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:29,239
actively found this. I found this really depressing, and not

2497
01:53:29,319 --> 01:53:31,800
in the way that I suspect they were going for.

2498
01:53:32,039 --> 01:53:34,560
It's not I wasn't left emotionally raw because it was

2499
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:37,680
so powerful and you know, morose and well written.

2500
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:37,760
Speaker 1: It.

2501
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 4: It wasn't the depression you get when you watch like

2502
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,399
the Elephant Man. It's the depression you get when you've

2503
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:45,800
you know, you're staying and watched Challenge TV all day

2504
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:47,079
long and just you're.

2505
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck come up?

2506
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:52,840
Speaker 4: There's nothing healthy or cathartic or useful about the way

2507
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:54,640
I feel right now. I just it's a waste of time,

2508
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:58,600
it's just I really I'm struggling to think of anything

2509
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:00,520
not that I'm trying very hard, but and anything that

2510
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:06,000
the like it just the whole time it's on, I was,

2511
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,800
I was just miserable. Yeah, it's no fun at all.

2512
01:54:10,399 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 1: I think if that is your mindset with the world

2513
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:17,039
that this is engaging with, then I would certainly encourage

2514
01:54:17,039 --> 01:54:19,159
you to not listen to this album. I've made these

2515
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:22,119
guys to this album. It sounds like I've done I've

2516
01:54:22,119 --> 01:54:24,199
done a horrible thing because I wasn't get any other response,

2517
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:25,760
Like I'm trying to weigh this up against again the

2518
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:28,359
sort of the the world that it's like trying to

2519
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:31,239
enter into, you know. And like Submerged was the lead

2520
01:54:31,319 --> 01:54:34,119
single that really baffled us, and I think it alerted

2521
01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:35,640
us that this album was going to be doing this

2522
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:39,159
because there's something about that water theme that it's built around,

2523
01:54:39,479 --> 01:54:42,520
along with like the wind Swept aiming for like emotional

2524
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:44,880
catharsis metal core melody. It does make me think about

2525
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,439
the an affliction, like it's black metal Pittsburgh and.

2526
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 2: The moment as good as Pittsburgh. That's the thing.

2527
01:54:52,279 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 4: I'll take this.

2528
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 1: I'll go out on that them I'll take this, but

2529
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:57,920
you know, the momentum it comes in with is pretty

2530
01:54:58,319 --> 01:55:01,479
It's got that. I think it is, you know, fairly

2531
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:04,199
well arranged and well performed by the standards of these

2532
01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:06,800
sort of songs. But the part where it goes into

2533
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:09,560
that kind of bringing the horizon esque like atmospheric limp

2534
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:12,600
guitar bit with the little artificial clap sound, it is

2535
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:15,479
like it's sickly. And then later on in the album

2536
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:19,359
it moves into tracks like Cyclone and Labyrinth, the latter

2537
01:55:19,439 --> 01:55:22,279
of which is getting really close, so those like interlude

2538
01:55:22,279 --> 01:55:24,680
tracks on modern medical records of just like an electronically

2539
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:26,439
filtered pop vocal for a couple of minutes, you know,

2540
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:29,760
And then the closing ballad star Dust, which like I

2541
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:31,600
know that they've said that this is about some you know,

2542
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,840
very personal stuff or whatever. I don't want to, you know,

2543
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:36,800
I don't know how cynical this album is, but just sonically,

2544
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:39,479
the second it starts, I can't fucking hack it, like

2545
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:40,079
I'm gagging.

2546
01:55:40,119 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 3: It's it's the full sleep tokenification of them. They become

2547
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:44,399
full sleep token.

2548
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 1: He starts whisper rapping in that song. I don't mind

2549
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:49,600
some of the earlier parts of this record that much.

2550
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:51,680
But by that point I'm like, what has happened? That's

2551
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:55,079
musically such a bad idea and it's too defanged and

2552
01:55:55,159 --> 01:55:57,880
it's too sopping wet, and like, I'm not here to just,

2553
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:01,560
you know, dismissively call them black metal sleep token and

2554
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:04,079
move on without further elaboration, as I know lots of

2555
01:56:04,119 --> 01:56:06,520
people in the underground are starting to do. Because as

2556
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:08,960
I say, if you've been paying attention to to Gearia,

2557
01:56:09,079 --> 01:56:12,000
you could, if not necessarily see this coming, you could

2558
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,840
at least pick up signs Like I mentioned the way

2559
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,399
at the front man behaved on stage. Even when this

2560
01:56:16,439 --> 01:56:18,439
band was more straightforward in black metal, your metal core

2561
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,199
radar would go off a bit and you could tell

2562
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:22,119
that this is someone who likes metalcore. And the way

2563
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:23,520
that he speaks in interviews, like if you read them

2564
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:25,439
about the Metal Hammer or whatever, he speaks about someone

2565
01:56:25,439 --> 01:56:28,279
who's got into metal in the two thousands, loving both

2566
01:56:28,399 --> 01:56:31,800
black metal and like popular metal, and that could describe me,

2567
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:34,199
you know, like I loved Bring the Horizon and Parkway Drive,

2568
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:37,520
and I loved Enslaved and Natistium, like I got into

2569
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,000
all those bands in the same year, and I'm not

2570
01:56:40,079 --> 01:56:42,399
thinking about this from the purest perspective, where, like I said,

2571
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,039
the moment we realized this album was legitimately going to

2572
01:56:45,079 --> 01:56:47,119
be trying to fuse black metal and commercial metal core

2573
01:56:47,399 --> 01:56:49,319
was when it secured its placed on the review schedule,

2574
01:56:49,359 --> 01:56:51,359
because I was curious to hear it, you know, And

2575
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:54,479
I guess if you really wanted to stretch, you could

2576
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:56,720
say it's not entirely without spiritual precedent. Where on the

2577
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,680
post black metal side there are bands like Bostonage or

2578
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:01,680
you know, Heaven or whatever who have drawn stuff from

2579
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:04,199
the post hardcore side into what they do. I think

2580
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:07,119
for us, it's the brand of metalcore that it's drawing

2581
01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:10,279
from is just gonna like hit an uncomfortable place and

2582
01:57:10,319 --> 01:57:13,640
repulse us. There will be people whose minds haven't been

2583
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:15,880
quite so worn down by it maybe who do find

2584
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,560
that combination affecting. I think if you're, our example, a

2585
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:21,640
big architects fan in the modern day, you might really

2586
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:25,880
like this album. And it was really weird watching it

2587
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:27,720
start again happening when the sort of roll out for

2588
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:29,840
this record. It was really weird starting to notice other

2589
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:31,760
areas of the scenes starting to talk about a black

2590
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:33,199
metal band. But there was a q and a in

2591
01:57:33,319 --> 01:57:37,479
rock sound with this week, like I never spoke to Shamash,

2592
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:43,119
what the Fu's happened like this again.

2593
01:57:43,159 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 4: If you think I'm coming this through, I'm not coming

2594
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:48,000
this from a purest thing here, because I'll tell you

2595
01:57:48,119 --> 01:57:50,600
what the moment on the record which I didn't feel

2596
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:54,199
depressed at, which was this is how bleak things got right.

2597
01:57:54,399 --> 01:57:57,199
The guitar tone at the beginning of Uncontrolled, I thought, ooh,

2598
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:03,239
that sounds like the Browning. I don't fucking I don't

2599
01:58:03,399 --> 01:58:06,960
like the browning. The things have gotten so terrible. I was, Ah, yes,

2600
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:12,079
Shit's electronic death core band from twenty eleven, beautiful Like,

2601
01:58:12,199 --> 01:58:16,560
it's just we're in a desperate place. No number of

2602
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:19,279
rock sound features in the world is gonna make this

2603
01:58:19,399 --> 01:58:19,960
okay for me.

2604
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but genuinely, like are the sort of the metalcore

2605
01:58:24,439 --> 01:58:28,560
influencer sort of world. They're twigging on this, and I

2606
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:31,560
think in a way, Garya are like finding their natural

2607
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:33,479
destiny as a band. I think even when they were

2608
01:58:33,479 --> 01:58:35,279
a part of the black metal scene, maybe they were

2609
01:58:35,319 --> 01:58:37,039
always going to find their way to this. I think

2610
01:58:37,119 --> 01:58:40,079
if this album, you know, does create some kind of

2611
01:58:40,119 --> 01:58:42,039
bridge for people who like these kinds of metalcore bands

2612
01:58:42,079 --> 01:58:45,079
to discover Shamash or even just a postbout black metal

2613
01:58:45,079 --> 01:58:46,680
band like alcest Or Death Heavan or whatever, then that

2614
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:49,239
is something cool about it. I think the atomized way

2615
01:58:49,279 --> 01:58:51,520
that people seem to consume music now and the way

2616
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,600
that those sort of places only started to pick up

2617
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:55,399
on Garia when they started sounding like this, I think

2618
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,399
makes that ever less likely. But at the very least

2619
01:58:58,439 --> 01:58:59,880
we can try and be that right here. You know,

2620
01:59:00,079 --> 01:59:01,800
if you like this, then keep going. Let it be

2621
01:59:02,039 --> 01:59:04,520
your black metal gateway. I certainly think the black metal

2622
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:06,560
scene is going to reject them after this, because I mean,

2623
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:08,720
they might be fine because they brought in enough fans

2624
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:10,479
from elsewhere, but like in the black metal world, they

2625
01:59:10,479 --> 01:59:12,399
are going to be their punchline names. They're going to

2626
01:59:12,399 --> 01:59:16,439
be the Maguire that went sleep Token or the Challenge

2627
01:59:16,479 --> 01:59:21,319
TV black Metal Albums, which is weird enough phrase alone

2628
01:59:21,359 --> 01:59:24,720
to take stock of this. So yeah, lost by GARIEA.

2629
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,920
Next we turn to a completely different part of the

2630
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,640
necro world, appealing to a totally different type of fan really,

2631
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:32,079
and I think we can, really we can start to

2632
01:59:32,119 --> 01:59:35,239
rebuild ourselves here and piece ourselves back together, because in

2633
01:59:35,359 --> 01:59:38,880
the twenty twenties, the world of black thrash has been

2634
01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:40,560
on the up. It seems like there's been more band

2635
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:42,359
of that type than ever, and there is an act

2636
01:59:42,479 --> 01:59:44,119
from the UK that is very much at the four

2637
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:45,800
of that You might well be familiar with them, even

2638
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:49,000
if you're not keeping up with every single release coming

2639
01:59:49,079 --> 01:59:52,279
out of Hell's Headbangers or Dying Victims productions. That band

2640
01:59:52,479 --> 01:59:55,680
is hell Ripper, and then you Kornak is out now

2641
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:57,880
it's the solo project with the live band behind him

2642
01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:00,479
of James McBain that has kind of a like the

2643
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:02,560
face of this style in the twenty twenties, Like hell

2644
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:05,119
Ripper has kind of broken containment a little bit for

2645
02:00:05,359 --> 02:00:08,119
what your average black speed metal band would do, which

2646
02:00:08,199 --> 02:00:09,960
is a genre that has been going in the underground

2647
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:12,279
for forty years. And I don't think I really need

2648
02:00:12,319 --> 02:00:14,000
to say that much how well deserved that is. Like,

2649
02:00:14,039 --> 02:00:16,520
I think it's one of just the examples of meritocracy

2650
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:18,800
at work, where this guy is so good at this

2651
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:21,039
thing that even if you're not really a devotee of

2652
02:00:21,079 --> 02:00:23,319
that genre, it might have made you take notice. And

2653
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:25,560
if you are into that stuff, then Hell Ripper is

2654
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:28,720
your currently one of your favorite bands. And what's particularly

2655
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:31,920
interesting from the nerdy critic standpoint, Black Thrash is one

2656
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:33,720
of the ultimate does what it says on the tin

2657
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:38,560
netal subgenres. It has endured for decades because it is primal,

2658
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:42,640
It is youthful and energetic. It taps straight into the

2659
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:47,159
pure vein of giddy run round in a circle excitement

2660
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:49,720
that heavy metal should be more straight to the point

2661
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,399
than maybe any genre under its kind of roof. It

2662
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:54,520
is built for, you know, drinking and headbanging and just

2663
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:57,359
generally being a little shit heed gremlin, idiot, warlocks, grim

2664
02:00:57,479 --> 02:00:59,600
and withered Hags in twenty twenty three is one of

2665
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:02,359
the sort of elite releases in the genre ever really

2666
02:01:02,439 --> 02:01:04,479
to have gone yeap, let's keep that, but look what

2667
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:06,479
more we can do with it. And when I think

2668
02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:09,479
about metal releases this decade that have really done something

2669
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:11,560
surprising with their toolkit, I think of that one.

2670
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:14,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the first her Ripper record I really liked.

2671
02:01:15,399 --> 02:01:17,039
I didn't go back to it loads, but it's, like

2672
02:01:17,079 --> 02:01:19,199
you say, one of those things where if you've got

2673
02:01:19,279 --> 02:01:21,479
an appetite for running around like a gremlin and smashing

2674
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:22,319
a beer in your head.

2675
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:23,399
Speaker 1: You go to that one.

2676
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:26,920
Speaker 4: What that's grimbling withered hags. I still go back to

2677
02:01:27,319 --> 02:01:30,840
fairly regularly because, like you say, it's a very unique

2678
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:35,560
case in this fairly niche sub genre where it still

2679
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:38,600
maintains that we're gonna have a beer, we're gonna throw

2680
02:01:38,640 --> 02:01:40,600
across the room, we're gonna get in the moshpit, we're

2681
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:43,119
not gonna have a shower. All of that stuff is

2682
02:01:43,159 --> 02:01:47,600
still there, but it folds in folklore and elements of

2683
02:01:48,199 --> 02:01:52,159
that more melodic metal and the sort of Celtic stuff

2684
02:01:52,199 --> 02:01:55,840
is becomes much more explicit on that album, and it's

2685
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,439
real like one of a kind case, and it manages

2686
02:01:58,479 --> 02:02:00,760
to have its cake and eat it where if you

2687
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,880
want to talk about the most ambitious and interesting records

2688
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,800
by small British bands of this decade, it's one of those.

2689
02:02:07,279 --> 02:02:08,520
But if you just want to pick a record for

2690
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:12,159
heavy metal jams, it's also one of those.

2691
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so impressive not just to create this elaborate, winding,

2692
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:21,359
progressively minded thrash record with a wide array of instrumentation

2693
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:25,159
and like bagpipes, melodies and shit and tempost switches and

2694
02:02:25,239 --> 02:02:28,279
legitimate prog sections that somehow make it a black thrash record.

2695
02:02:28,359 --> 02:02:31,039
For Opeth fans as much as Midnight Ones and all

2696
02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:33,920
of that, but to through all of those like extra

2697
02:02:34,039 --> 02:02:37,000
bells and whistles, keep that core of just like blood

2698
02:02:37,039 --> 02:02:39,600
through the teeth, aggression and fun and not throw the

2699
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:41,560
baby out with the bath water and lose why people

2700
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:43,239
listen to this stuff in the first place. I really

2701
02:02:43,359 --> 02:02:45,159
like the early hell Ripper stuff. I think the Affair

2702
02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:47,239
of the Poisons is like about the best record of

2703
02:02:47,319 --> 02:02:50,000
that three minute in and out songs black thrash metal

2704
02:02:50,039 --> 02:02:52,119
that you can imagine him making. But then these next

2705
02:02:52,159 --> 02:02:54,279
two hell Ripper albums are this era where it feels

2706
02:02:54,279 --> 02:02:56,239
a bit like anything goes. You know, if we can

2707
02:02:56,319 --> 02:02:59,960
fit something unconventional and unexpected into this kind of black

2708
02:03:00,079 --> 02:03:02,319
thrash template and have it still work and still fit

2709
02:03:02,359 --> 02:03:03,680
the vibe, then we can do it and there's nothing

2710
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:05,880
stopping us. And that's what Kornuch feels like to me.

2711
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:09,199
It doesn't necessarily feel like a dramatic leap beyond what

2712
02:03:09,319 --> 02:03:11,720
Wallot's Grim was doing. Like, it isn't necessarily like, you know,

2713
02:03:12,079 --> 02:03:13,560
the Master of Puppets, so that record is Ride the

2714
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:15,760
Lightning or whatever. But what this record does feel like

2715
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:18,560
to me is that it has just confidence and the

2716
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:20,960
freedom to do what it wants and not second guess

2717
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:22,439
itself and if the audience are going to like it,

2718
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:25,359
and it's broken through that ceiling of like this is

2719
02:03:25,439 --> 02:03:28,079
strictly what a black thrash record is and has opened

2720
02:03:28,119 --> 02:03:30,520
its imagination to all this other stuff and it's solidified like, yeah,

2721
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:31,760
this is a part of what hell Ripper is. Now

2722
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:33,479
we can just do this stuff and what you have

2723
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:38,039
is another killer, exciting, fast paced heavy metal record that

2724
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:41,000
again is full of like ingenuity and intricate detail, and

2725
02:03:41,239 --> 02:03:43,239
much like Walot's Grim in twenty twenty three, I can't

2726
02:03:43,239 --> 02:03:44,800
imagine in twenty twenty six that there's going to be

2727
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,000
like a thrash or speed metal record much better than

2728
02:03:47,039 --> 02:03:47,319
this one.

2729
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is you know, just like wild and untamed

2730
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:53,560
and free, like those all those feelings that you want

2731
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:56,520
from like I guess like black and fresh mat speed

2732
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,319
mill weaver with like heavy metal. And again, like I

2733
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,199
don't tell everyone that last album, and I think I

2734
02:04:02,399 --> 02:04:03,960
like this one a very similar amount.

2735
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:06,199
Speaker 2: I think this is like just a wild time and.

2736
02:04:06,199 --> 02:04:08,479
Speaker 3: Again this still found way used to kind of surprise

2737
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:10,399
me at which I think was like really nice, but

2738
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:13,840
you know, is it depressed? Is like the opener, big ripping,

2739
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:15,319
melodic speed, speedy riff.

2740
02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:17,720
Speaker 2: The energy is up right away, and I was kind

2741
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:18,000
of like.

2742
02:04:18,119 --> 02:04:18,399
Speaker 4: Let's go.

2743
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,600
Speaker 3: Like the vibes are like immaculate from the start on

2744
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:24,439
this record, and it kind of just never lets up.

2745
02:04:24,479 --> 02:04:27,359
You know. The instrumentals are always wild, always google place

2746
02:04:27,399 --> 02:04:30,560
that kind of like mythic wilderness, like Scottish Highland, kind

2747
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:33,920
of like element gives it a lot of character, but

2748
02:04:34,199 --> 02:04:35,680
you know, it just seems to go, Yeah, we just

2749
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:37,000
want to go fast all the time. Though you know

2750
02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:38,600
the solo's coming in, We've got to go faster and

2751
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:41,720
faster and faster. I'm just smiling and having a good time,

2752
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:44,760
like for every second of this album. I like it

2753
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:46,399
kind of just it does exactly.

2754
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:46,560
Speaker 1: What I want.

2755
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,840
Speaker 4: Yes, it's really hard to balance being atmospheric and being fun.

2756
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:53,399
Those are often things that don't go especially hand in hand.

2757
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:56,560
This album is a perfect case study in how to

2758
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:59,439
do it. Where you know, the album cover, the themes

2759
02:04:59,479 --> 02:05:01,760
and the Oaklaw and all the things like that, that

2760
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:04,439
all feels totally cohesive and writes a hell ripper, but

2761
02:05:04,479 --> 02:05:08,079
it's also just so much fun to listen to. Like,

2762
02:05:09,039 --> 02:05:10,279
if you want to get like a one two on

2763
02:05:10,359 --> 02:05:11,880
this record, you can just listen to the first two

2764
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:15,600
songs because hunder Pressed, which just goes lightning fast, and

2765
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:19,119
that the lead work has gone so dexterous on every

2766
02:05:19,479 --> 02:05:21,600
increasingly so on every single Hell Ripper record, Like you

2767
02:05:21,640 --> 02:05:23,640
can tell he's become a better and better guitar player

2768
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:25,159
and he just wants to do more and more. That

2769
02:05:25,239 --> 02:05:27,359
this one almost sounds like Children of Bodom in points,

2770
02:05:27,399 --> 02:05:31,000
and the ejection of that wide eyed power mel makes

2771
02:05:31,079 --> 02:05:34,439
it even more exciting. But then that going into I

2772
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:37,960
think saying that kinshile goat Craft and Granite the second track,

2773
02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:43,279
going from that like cosmic folk thrash opener into a

2774
02:05:43,359 --> 02:05:47,640
riff that's part Slayer, part Poison. It's just there's rust

2775
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:51,600
on that riff, struck exactly like there's. Hell Riper've always

2776
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:55,359
be unapologetic about their influences, and just the way part

2777
02:05:55,399 --> 02:05:56,960
of the fun of listening to their music, as much

2778
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,439
as they sound of themselves, is going, oh, there's that,

2779
02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:01,199
and there's that, and there's that, and the way they

2780
02:06:01,279 --> 02:06:03,439
marry these things, it's just it's a thrill to have

2781
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:05,399
on Yeah, we've got another.

2782
02:06:05,239 --> 02:06:07,920
Speaker 1: Track list full of ghouls and Beasti's from Scottish myth

2783
02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:09,960
and legend. We've got the hunder Pressed, who was a

2784
02:06:10,079 --> 02:06:13,239
vampire priest who rows from the dead and hunts alongside

2785
02:06:13,279 --> 02:06:16,159
his pack of hounds. We've got the Ba the Bavon Sheath,

2786
02:06:16,439 --> 02:06:19,079
who is a blood drinking succubus from the Highlands. There's

2787
02:06:19,079 --> 02:06:20,600
a lot of blood drinkers up there, apparently we should

2788
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:23,319
check on mark. Hunder Pressed is the opening track, and

2789
02:06:23,399 --> 02:06:24,880
it's kind of fills the role of like the knuckle

2790
02:06:24,920 --> 02:06:26,960
Avey last time, where it's a wicked fast opener, but

2791
02:06:27,039 --> 02:06:29,319
it does air to the creepy side and the kind

2792
02:06:29,359 --> 02:06:32,000
of cold side, and it is so frenzied and the

2793
02:06:32,039 --> 02:06:34,399
main riff is fucking brilliant, like the lead accents along

2794
02:06:34,399 --> 02:06:37,880
with the vocal and everything those wild coked up Megadeth

2795
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:41,319
threat dazzling parts with this like icier necrotic edge that

2796
02:06:41,359 --> 02:06:43,359
they have on it is so good. But the moment

2797
02:06:43,399 --> 02:06:45,560
where this record like really like lit me up and

2798
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:48,159
let me know that you know the the again, the

2799
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:50,359
kind of the open mindedness I suppose that Hellraper Now

2800
02:06:50,439 --> 02:06:52,119
Have is going to still be on show was in

2801
02:06:52,199 --> 02:06:54,880
the second half. It throws in these keyboards that I

2802
02:06:54,920 --> 02:06:58,279
can only describe as skeleton boogie like out and out

2803
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:03,199
timber to thin troll getting down in the underworld organ shit,

2804
02:07:03,479 --> 02:07:06,119
and the vibe at that moment shifts in such a

2805
02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:08,159
fun way. It's like this GHOULI the Hunter pressed, he's

2806
02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:09,359
out in the night and he's loving it. You know,

2807
02:07:09,439 --> 02:07:11,560
he's crawling around the town. He's being a spook. And

2808
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:14,600
it's that kind of stuff that this album isn't afraid

2809
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:16,399
to throw in there if it's gonna make the song

2810
02:07:16,479 --> 02:07:18,399
more fun, you know. And it does that, and then

2811
02:07:18,439 --> 02:07:20,840
as you say, keen, hile go croffing Granite, it's just

2812
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:23,760
a out and out rocker like engineer to put a

2813
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,560
smile on your face. And if it doesn't, then fucking

2814
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:28,000
go back to square one. And the verse riff might

2815
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:31,720
be better than the main one that opens with me like,

2816
02:07:31,800 --> 02:07:34,800
it's so mischievous and so alive kin Karl. And this

2817
02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:36,640
is the thing that to me back to the album

2818
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:38,359
Roulette we did with James.

2819
02:07:38,479 --> 02:07:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the funk comes in on that song, I'm

2820
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:43,520
like that guy, fucking we know he likes red toat

2821
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:46,760
chili Peppers and he bring that into his blackened speed

2822
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:50,319
heavy metal thing and I was like, mental shouldn't work,

2823
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:52,520
but again it is that just kind of like that

2824
02:07:52,680 --> 02:07:55,520
fearlessness and that again like you know that he loves

2825
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:56,960
that shit, and you know this bitch of this album

2826
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:59,119
goes like full on like yacht rock and like classic

2827
02:07:59,239 --> 02:08:01,319
rocks or things with the cowbell and all that sort

2828
02:08:01,319 --> 02:08:03,279
of shit, and it's doing that within these kinds of

2829
02:08:03,359 --> 02:08:05,680
like epic black speedit on. Again, these are things that

2830
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:08,640
should not work in the slightest but because it's just

2831
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:12,079
kind of like so mischievous and playful whenever it's introduced, Ye,

2832
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:15,520
I was like, you got me again, your little rascal

2833
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:17,560
keep doing these weird turns, and I think it's just

2834
02:08:17,880 --> 02:08:19,720
it just makes a man that never stops being fat.

2835
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, go crafting Granite. It should be the sort of

2836
02:08:22,399 --> 02:08:24,880
straight motorhead good time bop on it, but in the middle,

2837
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:26,880
when it moves towards the bridge, it cuts out for

2838
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:29,279
this little delicate little bit of acoustic guitar that has

2839
02:08:29,319 --> 02:08:32,479
the kind of slight air of unease and unsettlement to

2840
02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:35,279
it that's kind of akin to like a creepier Opeth passage,

2841
02:08:35,479 --> 02:08:37,439
and even like the naturalistic way it's recorded where you

2842
02:08:37,479 --> 02:08:39,439
can hear the fingers against the strings and everything, and

2843
02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:42,560
it's real ability to make that transition work at all. Similarly,

2844
02:08:42,680 --> 02:08:44,920
Bavan Sheaf has a riffing is almost like sort of

2845
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:47,680
trivium circu ascendancy or something like really like surging at you,

2846
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:51,239
but it has these like unsettling the little tail end

2847
02:08:51,279 --> 02:08:53,199
of rifts being picked up by the little snippets of

2848
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:55,800
acoustic that do doo doo dooo, like leave your question unanswered.

2849
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:55,960
Speaker 4: You know.

2850
02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:59,600
Speaker 1: That's such a small, subtle but clever touch to keep

2851
02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:01,880
it like hitting your ear in fresh ways before the

2852
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:04,399
second half of the song starts using these really bright

2853
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:07,199
major chords that sort of sound a bit like dream theater.

2854
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:09,920
And it's not enough to make anyone, you know, spit

2855
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:12,279
out their coffee if that's not their thing. But how

2856
02:09:12,359 --> 02:09:14,600
do you sneak textures and ideas like that into a

2857
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:17,960
black thrash song and have it still function purely without

2858
02:09:17,960 --> 02:09:19,760
distraction as being a black thrash song.

2859
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:23,520
Speaker 4: It's and then on the Art of Resurrection, the piano

2860
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:26,960
riff at the piano iff that opens that song with

2861
02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:30,479
that tone he's chosen. I don't know what that tone is,

2862
02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:33,079
but it would sound just as right on a Paradise

2863
02:09:33,159 --> 02:09:35,600
Lost song as it would on a Hadaway song, and

2864
02:09:36,039 --> 02:09:38,520
how you manage I'm not saying that's an influence, by

2865
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:40,399
the way, but the fact that it can bring to

2866
02:09:40,479 --> 02:09:44,239
mind such fun and irreverent things like that, to me

2867
02:09:44,399 --> 02:09:47,439
just says everything about the thinking that goes into this record.

2868
02:09:47,479 --> 02:09:49,600
And you don't get a Hadaway song, I won't surprise you.

2869
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:54,119
You get sort of a gothic black metal jam for bikers,

2870
02:09:54,319 --> 02:09:57,560
which I think I prefer anyway. It's just like the

2871
02:09:57,640 --> 02:10:01,199
way this thing switches up despite having quite a cohesive

2872
02:10:01,239 --> 02:10:02,840
sound all the way through, but just throwing in little

2873
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:06,600
fun ideas and little instrumental choices. It's just it's so

2874
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:11,119
much more inventive then, you know, a black speed metal

2875
02:10:11,159 --> 02:10:12,680
album requires to be.

2876
02:10:13,439 --> 02:10:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Art Resurrection is really melodic in a genuinely

2877
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:20,720
quite beautiful way, but without either slowing down or cleaning

2878
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:22,680
itself up. And I think just the solos throughout are

2879
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:24,439
so good, like the one at the very end of

2880
02:10:24,520 --> 02:10:27,680
Undepressed with the full like Maiden harmony that's so singable

2881
02:10:27,720 --> 02:10:29,840
on its own light right, and that the groat crafting

2882
02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:33,159
Granite one just makes you grin because they're so expressive

2883
02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:35,760
and bubbly. They're not time filling lead guitars, right, they

2884
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,039
are like, this is expression and this is something where

2885
02:10:38,039 --> 02:10:40,279
the song is going to really like take it up

2886
02:10:40,359 --> 02:10:43,439
a notch. I love that the exact same way as

2887
02:10:43,439 --> 02:10:45,079
the last album. You look down the track list and

2888
02:10:45,119 --> 02:10:47,079
you can guess exactly which song is going to be

2889
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:49,960
the most to the point, be a sloshing crash metal

2890
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:52,079
song on it you go, oh yeah, goat vomit nightmare. Yeah.

2891
02:10:52,079 --> 02:10:54,199
Of course it would be a crime if Black Satanic

2892
02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:57,119
Fuckstorm wasn't that song with this album, and it is.

2893
02:10:57,399 --> 02:10:59,119
But even that has got a mental sort of beat

2894
02:10:59,159 --> 02:11:01,520
switching part in the ridge where the drums keep swapping

2895
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:03,159
the emphasis of where the beat is in such a

2896
02:11:03,239 --> 02:11:05,960
slick way underneath, like a sort of Metallica circa kill

2897
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:09,359
them All sort of riff. There's just catchy earworm vocal

2898
02:11:09,439 --> 02:11:11,119
parts even while they're all just being yapped at you.

2899
02:11:11,159 --> 02:11:14,319
I'm particularly fond of the Sculptor's Cave and even the

2900
02:11:14,359 --> 02:11:16,399
way the ten pos hit you, which in thrash metal

2901
02:11:16,439 --> 02:11:19,239
can often be quite saying me. Mortar Shane is more

2902
02:11:19,319 --> 02:11:21,199
like a d beat almost, and it kind of drives

2903
02:11:21,239 --> 02:11:24,079
in a particular way that is different to any song

2904
02:11:24,119 --> 02:11:26,159
before it. That's where you have the cow bell Celtic

2905
02:11:26,199 --> 02:11:29,119
frost part in that song as well. And for me,

2906
02:11:29,359 --> 02:11:31,880
my favorite song on Wallot's Grim was the title track where,

2907
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:34,239
amidst all of like the thrash and the speed metalmania,

2908
02:11:34,439 --> 02:11:36,760
hell Rip approved that they could write something with the

2909
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:41,640
genuine weight and grace and majesty of classic metal, so

2910
02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:44,159
it's no surprise. I also absolutely love the closing title

2911
02:11:44,199 --> 02:11:47,279
track of Korinak, which goes for this like Celtic funeral

2912
02:11:47,359 --> 02:11:51,039
chant being bellowed at you, and it's fucking mega. It

2913
02:11:51,239 --> 02:11:52,920
sounds so enormous.

2914
02:11:53,039 --> 02:11:55,359
Speaker 3: At the start of that song, there's all the gothic

2915
02:11:55,479 --> 02:11:58,000
touches on that, there's like real fear to to it.

2916
02:11:58,359 --> 02:12:00,159
It's got you know, a bit of like Halloween to

2917
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:01,319
it in kind of the playp for side to it.

2918
02:12:01,359 --> 02:12:03,119
But then it's got a sense of like grand as well.

2919
02:12:03,439 --> 02:12:04,680
And we have to talk about, you know, the way

2920
02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:07,720
the song begins, which had me just like howling with laughter,

2921
02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:11,159
and again weird coincidence. We're gonna get onto in a minute,

2922
02:12:12,079 --> 02:12:14,640
but the opening so of interpreting the funeral march into

2923
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:16,840
that riff, I was like, fuck it yeah, why not.

2924
02:12:17,039 --> 02:12:18,600
But then it kind of just fits into this like

2925
02:12:19,399 --> 02:12:24,039
epic funeral thrash like black metal song, and like it's

2926
02:12:24,079 --> 02:12:26,720
a really bold swing for a closer, and I think

2927
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:28,960
it's the one truck you know that isn't pure speed.

2928
02:12:29,039 --> 02:12:30,520
Speaker 2: It's over eight minutes, but it.

2929
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:34,079
Speaker 3: Still has so many interesting flavors and ideas, and you

2930
02:12:34,159 --> 02:12:35,840
know when it locks into the speed in the second

2931
02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:38,399
half and just sort of barrels towards its sort of

2932
02:12:39,079 --> 02:12:42,199
climax with that epic guitar solo, it still delivers every

2933
02:12:42,279 --> 02:12:44,680
you want from this, but just like so much ingenuity

2934
02:12:44,720 --> 02:12:45,079
before it.

2935
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:48,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, hell rip On this record, there are songs which

2936
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:52,840
another thrash black and thrash metal band could feasibly write

2937
02:12:52,920 --> 02:12:55,439
if they would, if they were just good enough. Hell ripper,

2938
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:58,279
the moments when they really shine or where they do

2939
02:12:58,399 --> 02:13:00,600
things that no one else is doing, and the title

2940
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:03,680
track on this them taking that sound into a real

2941
02:13:04,039 --> 02:13:06,840
epic style songwriting, which they really nailed on the last record,

2942
02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:10,279
not being as concerned we're just you know, ripping your

2943
02:13:10,279 --> 02:13:12,760
head up and melting your face, but building a world

2944
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:14,720
and kind of telling a story through an epic song.

2945
02:13:15,279 --> 02:13:17,039
That's a really hard thing to do, and especially like

2946
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:21,079
at this point in the record, you could feasibly imagine

2947
02:13:21,079 --> 02:13:23,119
someone going, I just want more speed, give me another

2948
02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:25,520
hit of the speed. But they're so good at this

2949
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:28,720
thing that it might be the thing they're actually best at.

2950
02:13:29,079 --> 02:13:31,720
So if you do have that hang up, you pretty

2951
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:33,319
immediately forgive them. I know.

2952
02:13:33,439 --> 02:13:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they'll actually start playing these songs regularly live now,

2953
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:38,840
which I would love. But that massive like sweeping in

2954
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:42,079
over the mountains and hills quiet chart with the oh hell,

2955
02:13:42,439 --> 02:13:45,640
it's so rousing and like the diaphragms of the entire

2956
02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:49,119
Scottish population are oscillating down at you, you know. And

2957
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:51,600
then yes, there are the pipes coming in into this

2958
02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:55,640
like Megadeth Washington is next riff, and then the insane

2959
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:58,680
elongated solo section in the middle that just fucking flies.

2960
02:13:58,760 --> 02:14:00,399
It's like, what more are you supposed to really want

2961
02:14:00,399 --> 02:14:02,000
out of a heavy metal song? You know, Like it's

2962
02:14:02,119 --> 02:14:06,399
just ingeniously done. It's eccentric As an album, it's I

2963
02:14:06,439 --> 02:14:09,840
suppose the second album of this like weirder madder hell Ripper,

2964
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:12,960
and it's not diminishing returns from the first one. It's

2965
02:14:13,239 --> 02:14:16,000
still totally command of its abilities and where to deploy

2966
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:19,079
them and if you like heavy metal of any shape

2967
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:21,680
or form, really then I think Hell Ripper, on the

2968
02:14:21,720 --> 02:14:23,359
strength of this run of albums are on are like

2969
02:14:23,479 --> 02:14:25,399
one of the bands to really be paying attention to.

2970
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:28,640
So Kornak from Hell Ripper and then next released this

2971
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:31,760
same day fantastically and similar in more ways than one.

2972
02:14:32,199 --> 02:14:34,920
We're gonna go to Aggressive Perfector and their album Come

2973
02:14:35,079 --> 02:14:39,399
Creeping Fiends. Sometimes when your scheduling reviews and there's two

2974
02:14:39,479 --> 02:14:41,319
things kind of from a similar niche out and about,

2975
02:14:41,439 --> 02:14:42,960
sometimes you don't want to go overkill on it, and

2976
02:14:43,039 --> 02:14:44,640
you might have one to kind of feel the niche

2977
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:46,720
and it overwrites the other one. Sometimes you can also

2978
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:49,039
try and make a complimentary pair out of it. And

2979
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:51,640
I figured Hell Ripper are a very popular band right

2980
02:14:51,640 --> 02:14:53,840
now in that niche, that is a very good opportunity

2981
02:14:54,119 --> 02:14:55,920
right through the door behind them to just point people

2982
02:14:55,960 --> 02:14:58,119
straight onto another band that they might not already know.

2983
02:14:58,359 --> 02:15:02,359
So Aggressive Perfector another UK band, self described heavy metal

2984
02:15:02,399 --> 02:15:05,880
Horror from the Manchester Morgue. In twenty nineteen, I brought

2985
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:08,119
their debut album onto the show called Havoc at the

2986
02:15:08,159 --> 02:15:10,199
Midnight Hour, and the response I got at the time

2987
02:15:10,239 --> 02:15:12,119
with this album is so fucking stupid, and I was like,

2988
02:15:12,199 --> 02:15:15,560
I know, it's awesome, right, but it's been more than

2989
02:15:15,640 --> 02:15:18,560
six years since then, and it's finally gotten a follow up.

2990
02:15:19,079 --> 02:15:21,399
In their defense, they have all been busy because all

2991
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:23,800
three members of this band play in the UK black

2992
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:26,119
metal band Wode, who have released a couple of fantastic

2993
02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:28,279
albums in that time. One of them was also in

2994
02:15:28,359 --> 02:15:30,920
the now sadly defunct great Newity of a British heavy

2995
02:15:30,920 --> 02:15:33,079
metal style band, Heavy Sentence, So they're part of sort

2996
02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:35,439
of a crop of like incestuous heavy metal bands. But

2997
02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:39,159
Aggressive Effector, as you might guess from their early Slayer

2998
02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:42,079
title derived band name, along with their stage names for

2999
02:15:42,159 --> 02:15:46,439
this band, which are Dan Holocausto aka Dan Chainsaw, Intimidator

3000
02:15:46,760 --> 02:15:52,159
and Mister six six six, is where they lean into

3001
02:15:52,199 --> 02:15:53,479
the particularly maniacle.

3002
02:15:54,439 --> 02:16:00,319
Speaker 4: I'd completely forgotten about Aggressive Perfector. I think nine Team

3003
02:16:00,399 --> 02:16:03,039
is a weird year in that you know, twenty twenty

3004
02:16:03,079 --> 02:16:05,279
cave along and it just no bands could tour, and

3005
02:16:05,359 --> 02:16:08,000
it just swept that album into the distant pass, not

3006
02:16:08,079 --> 02:16:10,079
to be thought about again. And then you said, oh,

3007
02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:11,920
we're gonna do this Aggresive Effector album in the next

3008
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:15,159
review show. I thought that name sounds very leave pulling

3009
02:16:15,239 --> 02:16:17,840
up the album cover for Havoc at the Midnight Hour,

3010
02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:23,039
the wave that it dug it straight out from my

3011
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:25,399
subconscious something that I hadn't thought about it in seven years.

3012
02:16:25,439 --> 02:16:29,439
I went, Oh, yeah, that record, that fucking mental Monike

3013
02:16:30,039 --> 02:16:34,399
Deverly horror metal record. I remember loving it at the time.

3014
02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:37,479
For whatever reason, I swiftly forgot it existed the moment

3015
02:16:37,559 --> 02:16:40,760
the pandemic happened. So before we get into this album,

3016
02:16:41,079 --> 02:16:43,200
going back to that, just to set myself up again,

3017
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:45,159
what a thing that.

3018
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:49,360
Speaker 1: Is legitimately outside of like Midnight in Hell Ripper that

3019
02:16:49,520 --> 02:16:51,959
might be my personal favorite in this like Black Speed

3020
02:16:52,120 --> 02:16:54,639
Niche in recent years, like I love that album. I

3021
02:16:54,719 --> 02:16:57,000
have the long sleeve with the fucking executioner guy on

3022
02:16:57,079 --> 02:16:59,520
it that says Turbo Evil down the sleeves. I can't

3023
02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:01,600
walk to cemetery without singing.

3024
02:17:01,440 --> 02:17:04,200
Speaker 2: Oh words to the cemetaria Like for me.

3025
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:07,319
Speaker 1: It scratches the same itch of life, just like primal

3026
02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:10,079
head banging fun that all of this stuff does, but

3027
02:17:10,959 --> 02:17:13,559
for all of the silliness and the joyfully bone headed

3028
02:17:13,600 --> 02:17:15,399
way they go about it, where they are just one

3029
02:17:15,399 --> 02:17:18,159
of the most like cartoonishly ridiculous sounding bands in this scene.

3030
02:17:18,399 --> 02:17:20,559
For me, there's song power on that album that did

3031
02:17:20,680 --> 02:17:23,159
last Beyond Again at the time twenty nineteen, I think

3032
02:17:23,159 --> 02:17:25,159
it was really only Midnight who were delivering songs that

3033
02:17:25,239 --> 02:17:27,280
were that memorable at that point in time. In this

3034
02:17:27,440 --> 02:17:31,040
lane and this, it's not sophisticated in the way that

3035
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:35,399
hell Ripper is. Instead, this is sleazy and dirty and

3036
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:38,200
just the whole other side of why this music is brilliant.

3037
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:40,680
The first song on this is already brilliant because it's

3038
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:45,440
called Dead Undead. It's like when Bloodbath do those word

3039
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:48,079
association things and that sounds sick, but they don't make

3040
02:17:48,159 --> 02:17:51,040
any sense, but it doesn't matter, and you know they

3041
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:53,799
can play because they're in Woe, who are really accomplished band.

3042
02:17:54,079 --> 02:17:55,920
And this does have, you know, like strange companion as

3043
02:17:55,959 --> 02:17:57,840
some kind of disorientating timings and stuff like that. But

3044
02:17:57,959 --> 02:18:01,920
this is just gloriously barred music, like the old school

3045
02:18:02,040 --> 02:18:05,000
trad metal riffs, answering and filling in that dead un

3046
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:07,600
dead chorus with and the scatter turns Crimson. That's the

3047
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:09,959
environment that you were in when you were hearing this record.

3048
02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so up my street. This like, I just

3049
02:18:13,399 --> 02:18:16,200
love everything that goes it in somewhere in the ven

3050
02:18:16,280 --> 02:18:20,639
diagram between Motorhead, Slayer, Wasp, maybe even a little bit

3051
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:23,639
of Saxon, I'll give them that. It's just sort of

3052
02:18:23,799 --> 02:18:29,120
classic metal made more evil and really taking sick glee

3053
02:18:29,799 --> 02:18:33,159
in how devilish and perverse and perverse as you can be,

3054
02:18:33,559 --> 02:18:35,879
and dead and then Strange Companion just kicking from the

3055
02:18:35,959 --> 02:18:38,760
off again. It just brought back all these memories are

3056
02:18:38,760 --> 02:18:40,559
hearing the album the first time that had long for Goossen.

3057
02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:42,920
It's that we'll get to it later, because I think

3058
02:18:42,920 --> 02:18:46,440
there's songs on this album which really really fly. But

3059
02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:50,280
the level of songwriting is so radically apparent from the off,

3060
02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:53,440
like they just have such catchy songs, and these particularly

3061
02:18:53,559 --> 02:18:55,079
these first two ones, they do some interesting things, but

3062
02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:57,920
they're real short, sharp shocks to the system. But each

3063
02:18:58,040 --> 02:19:01,079
one it has such a tapestry cool rifts. Again this

3064
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:04,680
if I don't want to overstate how dumb this is

3065
02:19:04,719 --> 02:19:07,239
and compare comparison to Hellric because it does seem stupid

3066
02:19:07,239 --> 02:19:09,760
compared to that. But like you say, they can play,

3067
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:11,559
and they write brilliant riffs and they're able to weave

3068
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:15,959
them together compellingly like that they're not just this it's weird.

3069
02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:18,479
It's it's weird to call it stupid because it is daft,

3070
02:19:18,879 --> 02:19:21,879
but it's daft by people who know what they're doing.

3071
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:22,639
If that makes sense.

3072
02:19:23,360 --> 02:19:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't I need to listen to

3073
02:19:25,159 --> 02:19:27,079
that first Aggressive Perfect album. I never actually could of

3074
02:19:27,159 --> 02:19:28,280
checked out and I looked at the car. I was like,

3075
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:30,719
that's a that's a faulty movie on the album cover.

3076
02:19:31,559 --> 02:19:33,639
Speaker 2: I need to listen to that. This rocks.

3077
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:35,799
Speaker 3: I think this is fucking awesome. I just had so

3078
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:39,000
much fun again just a being the hell rap happened

3079
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:40,760
to this? I was like, yeah, you know what speed

3080
02:19:40,840 --> 02:19:46,680
metal Friday, Let's go dead un dead, all grease. It's burlliant, muscular,

3081
02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:49,680
it is daft, it's hard, but it's got loads of

3082
02:19:49,719 --> 02:19:50,239
like heavy.

3083
02:19:50,120 --> 02:19:50,840
Speaker 2: Metal fun to it.

3084
02:19:51,440 --> 02:19:54,879
Speaker 3: Strange companions are real headbanger that it's like so live

3085
02:19:54,959 --> 02:19:58,000
wire this music, it's like there's a real swing to it.

3086
02:19:58,159 --> 02:20:00,760
Like I had to listen bands with mo I put

3087
02:20:00,879 --> 02:20:03,799
Wasp Down, Slayer, obviously, motor Head. I mean there's you know,

3088
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:05,239
a bit of Misfits in there and some of the

3089
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:07,520
punkier side of it without the car horror influences.

3090
02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:08,479
Speaker 2: I mean, this is much fun.

3091
02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:10,959
Speaker 3: I mean the compact The worst companion came up when

3092
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:12,360
I saw there was a song called Like a Beast,

3093
02:20:12,760 --> 02:20:13,000
and I.

3094
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:14,760
Speaker 2: Was like, I wonder what that sounds like.

3095
02:20:14,879 --> 02:20:17,159
Speaker 3: And I was like, yep, cool, it's a sleazy hipshaker

3096
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:20,239
with loads of bite. But man, the riffs are sick

3097
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:22,479
and he sounds like a problem maniac on vocals.

3098
02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean, but the open line of like a Beast

3099
02:20:24,920 --> 02:20:28,760
is am a maniac. I'm obsessed. There's no polish on

3100
02:20:28,799 --> 02:20:32,000
the vocals at all. It's a guy slurring and wailing

3101
02:20:32,120 --> 02:20:34,719
in the way the music needs to be fun and

3102
02:20:34,840 --> 02:20:37,479
to be manic and to deliver these lyrics. And part

3103
02:20:37,479 --> 02:20:38,840
of the reason you might go for this sort of

3104
02:20:38,879 --> 02:20:41,600
black speed metal thing over just straight up extreme black metal,

3105
02:20:41,639 --> 02:20:43,600
you know, because music has gotten a lot more extreme

3106
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:46,239
and you know, distorted or whatever than this is. It's

3107
02:20:46,280 --> 02:20:49,399
got color and fun to it. It's got attitude. It's

3108
02:20:49,799 --> 02:20:53,360
shown no mercy era Slayer, only Kill Them All era Metallica.

3109
02:20:53,639 --> 02:20:57,520
Only it's shit kicking riffs like Harlot's Spell and you

3110
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:00,520
want to hear about the fiend in you, and you're right,

3111
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:03,079
that main riff in that song is straight up new

3112
02:21:03,079 --> 02:21:06,440
way for British having a pub metal like Tank or Saxon,

3113
02:21:06,639 --> 02:21:09,280
but with this like unhinged vocal that's just so much fun.

3114
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:13,120
You want return of the acts, you want Like a Beast.

3115
02:21:13,559 --> 02:21:15,360
Speaker 4: You're naming, I say, you're naming all the best songs.

3116
02:21:15,360 --> 02:21:17,879
You're naming all the songs. They're all fucking brilliant. Theending

3117
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:19,440
You and Like a Beast the one two of that

3118
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:22,000
was where this album steps up and not for me

3119
02:21:22,120 --> 02:21:25,159
love the opening too, but from there these are some

3120
02:21:25,239 --> 02:21:27,840
of the best heavy metal songs I've heard. This side

3121
02:21:27,879 --> 02:21:32,399
is steroid. Frankly, the number of like hooks per square

3122
02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:36,079
inch on both of them is outrageous, and it's you know,

3123
02:21:36,120 --> 02:21:37,799
a lot of stuff that sounds like this. It's it's

3124
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:39,680
a wonderful sound and it can be kind of non descript.

3125
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:43,040
The songs here are so catchy and so I realized,

3126
02:21:43,079 --> 02:21:45,280
and especially on Fiending You, the chorus comes in on

3127
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:49,159
that and it's like a lost misfit song. It's so athetic.

3128
02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:51,440
Speaker 2: That's the one that I put misfits specifically, like Yeah

3129
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:51,639
and You.

3130
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:53,440
Speaker 3: Also, that song begins with a big all right into

3131
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:55,760
a shredding guitar solo that's the best way to begin

3132
02:21:55,799 --> 02:21:58,000
in the song. I've decided like mood I was in

3133
02:21:58,079 --> 02:21:59,920
on this album. Yes, all the songs are beginning of

3134
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:02,760
shang all right into a solo. Turns out that's the

3135
02:22:02,840 --> 02:22:04,079
missing like key ingredient.

3136
02:22:04,200 --> 02:22:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is another way to open a song, as

3137
02:22:05,959 --> 02:22:09,559
we've learned today, which is obscene cult opens with the

3138
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:13,120
exact same funeral march interpolation that the ending song of

3139
02:22:13,159 --> 02:22:16,399
the hell Ripper song album does. These albums are out

3140
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:18,840
on the same day. They can't have heard each other.

3141
02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:20,959
They can't have known that these are coming out on

3142
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:24,239
the same day doing the same thing. And I really hope,

3143
02:22:24,399 --> 02:22:26,079
like you know, James from hell Ripper, if you're listening,

3144
02:22:26,079 --> 02:22:27,959
you probably no agressive effect to go listen to the album.

3145
02:22:28,079 --> 02:22:31,799
Just how weird is it that that's happened. But it's

3146
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:34,600
like on this video record, it's over like an almost

3147
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:38,479
sort of burly candle mass bewitched type riff that's really fun,

3148
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:43,239
and then it switches into that like skipping seventies Detroit

3149
02:22:43,399 --> 02:22:45,399
rock City and M and M and M and which

3150
02:22:45,440 --> 02:22:47,120
is a teenpost that you don't get in heavy metal

3151
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:48,879
anymore at all because they've got blused out but he's

3152
02:22:48,959 --> 02:22:51,479
doing like a Toma Rayer scream on it there aha,

3153
02:22:52,040 --> 02:22:53,719
which he doesn't do quite enough on this record, and

3154
02:22:53,799 --> 02:22:55,559
I liking compared to the first record, where he was

3155
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:58,079
doing it every like minute on the fucking dot on

3156
02:22:58,120 --> 02:23:00,680
the first record. But you're telling me all of that

3157
02:23:00,760 --> 02:23:02,600
collectively isn't meant to bring me joy?

3158
02:23:03,639 --> 02:23:05,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like you say, the sound of that rift,

3159
02:23:05,360 --> 02:23:07,879
that's there's something in your brain which associates that with

3160
02:23:07,959 --> 02:23:09,840
fun heavy metal from the seventies, Like it's just it

3161
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:13,040
doesn't exist anymore. So the moment any band starts to

3162
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:16,680
tape that, it's just like again Pavlovian response. The other

3163
02:23:16,719 --> 02:23:19,319
one for me that does that is like again halfwits

3164
02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:23,680
that flight of vicarous style intro, which again you just

3165
02:23:23,719 --> 02:23:25,200
don't hear stuff like that. But then when that takes

3166
02:23:25,239 --> 02:23:27,399
off again, you're back to showing a mercy and kill

3167
02:23:27,440 --> 02:23:30,239
them all. It's like they can only have the genuinely happening,

3168
02:23:30,319 --> 02:23:32,319
uplifting metal for so long before they've got to get

3169
02:23:32,360 --> 02:23:35,159
sick and gleef again again. Return of the Acts coming

3170
02:23:35,239 --> 02:23:36,719
up next. Hilarious.

3171
02:23:37,959 --> 02:23:39,639
Speaker 2: It's been yeah, where's the guy?

3172
02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:43,360
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because I can I presume he means actually,

3173
02:23:43,360 --> 02:23:45,399
I don't know if he means an actual axe or

3174
02:23:45,479 --> 02:23:49,239
a guitar, but oh yeah, the guitar has not been anywhere.

3175
02:23:49,399 --> 02:23:51,360
We've been shredding this whole time. And then when that

3176
02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:54,719
starts going fast like the way the vocals dragged behind

3177
02:23:54,799 --> 02:23:56,799
it is so brilliant. It reminds me of the verse

3178
02:23:56,840 --> 02:23:58,920
in Melt Meltdown by Judas Priest, but they make the

3179
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:01,840
music sound that much more panicked. And then when he

3180
02:24:01,879 --> 02:24:05,239
bellows return of the Acts, I just want to cry.

3181
02:24:05,559 --> 02:24:07,440
It's so beautiful.

3182
02:24:08,440 --> 02:24:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, seven year wait for a half hour record that

3183
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:14,040
sounds like this. It's quite funny, but completely expected. Really,

3184
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:15,600
I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't know

3185
02:24:15,639 --> 02:24:17,239
if I like this quite as much as Havoc at

3186
02:24:17,239 --> 02:24:19,239
the Midnight Hour, which I do really love. But they're

3187
02:24:19,399 --> 02:24:21,399
just such a lovable band. It's a ton of fun.

3188
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:24,040
It's fucking heavy metal throwing through. This is the kind

3189
02:24:24,079 --> 02:24:25,879
of band that it sounds so much fun to be in.

3190
02:24:26,440 --> 02:24:29,840
Heartily recommended right by virtue of what the releases have

3191
02:24:29,959 --> 02:24:33,200
been this month has leaned very heavy, very metal, very true.

3192
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:35,200
So our last couple of releases are for those of

3193
02:24:35,239 --> 02:24:37,200
you out there whose tastes may not lean so much

3194
02:24:37,239 --> 02:24:39,440
towards those what we've just been talking about. First in

3195
02:24:39,559 --> 02:24:42,159
that regard, we are going to about called Malavora and

3196
02:24:42,239 --> 02:24:44,760
an album called What If Betta Never Comes? This band

3197
02:24:44,879 --> 02:24:47,360
from the UK. This is out also today on Church

3198
02:24:47,440 --> 02:24:49,959
Road Records, and it is their debut album. I was

3199
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:52,120
not really familiar with this band's name, like prior to

3200
02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:55,159
this year, but you know, looking around to new bands

3201
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:58,040
coming out of this scene right now, this name came

3202
02:24:58,120 --> 02:24:59,680
up quite a bit in the last couple of months.

3203
02:24:59,719 --> 02:25:01,680
You know, a head to this album. Apparently the singer

3204
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:04,319
was on The Traitors last year supplying Banshee Whales to

3205
02:25:04,399 --> 02:25:07,079
one of the tasks on that. So okay, that's something

3206
02:25:07,120 --> 02:25:09,159
mad that you can put in your press releases. I suppose. Anyway,

3207
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:11,000
this is more on the sort of you know, alt

3208
02:25:11,479 --> 02:25:14,239
metalcore end of the spectrum. There are a few clear

3209
02:25:14,360 --> 02:25:16,120
names that we can throw around as comparison points for that,

3210
02:25:16,319 --> 02:25:18,840
but I think there is if you are looking for

3211
02:25:18,920 --> 02:25:20,639
that world and you're looking around and going, okay, like

3212
02:25:20,719 --> 02:25:23,200
what is coming out of that scene? There is a

3213
02:25:23,399 --> 02:25:26,520
bit more character to this and certainly certain elements of

3214
02:25:26,639 --> 02:25:30,760
it than you know, the endless conveyor belt of pretty

3215
02:25:30,799 --> 02:25:32,760
interchangeable bands that comes out of that world right now.

3216
02:25:32,799 --> 02:25:35,440
And if your tastes do lean towards that lane, but

3217
02:25:35,559 --> 02:25:37,159
you want something with a little more spark and a

3218
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:39,760
little more identity, I think this is a decent release

3219
02:25:39,959 --> 02:25:42,200
to check out this month. Sam, what are you? What

3220
02:25:42,239 --> 02:25:42,920
are your feelings on that?

3221
02:25:43,559 --> 02:25:45,319
Speaker 2: I'm coming down from much the same as you like.

3222
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:47,399
Speaker 3: I feel like this is something I would have really

3223
02:25:47,479 --> 02:25:50,719
been into ten or so like years ago, I would

3224
02:25:50,719 --> 02:25:52,360
have been right up my alley sort of thing there.

3225
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:54,959
I'm less attuned this thing now, as you know, as

3226
02:25:54,959 --> 02:25:56,719
I kind of ragged on my feelings on the kind

3227
02:25:56,719 --> 02:25:58,840
of the step of modern metal core and or major metal.

3228
02:25:59,360 --> 02:26:02,399
But I think they this does have a bit more character.

3229
02:26:02,440 --> 02:26:05,040
With the vocalist, I mean, she is like the kind

3230
02:26:05,079 --> 02:26:08,399
of like real spark. She's really different to a lot

3231
02:26:08,479 --> 02:26:10,319
of what like the kind of vocalists are.

3232
02:26:10,479 --> 02:26:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like she's almost got like.

3233
02:26:12,559 --> 02:26:14,600
Speaker 3: A kind of like symphonic metal approach to her sort

3234
02:26:14,600 --> 02:26:16,239
of clean vocals at times, She's kind of got that

3235
02:26:16,440 --> 02:26:18,920
kind of like grandeur and sort of power to it,

3236
02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:21,639
And I think that that does lend this band more character.

3237
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:23,200
Speaker 2: I think when they go hard.

3238
02:26:23,319 --> 02:26:26,079
Speaker 3: They go kind of actually quite unexpectedly hard. I think, like,

3239
02:26:26,280 --> 02:26:28,280
you have this intro track, and then when the first

3240
02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:30,280
one probably comes in, it's kind.

3241
02:26:30,120 --> 02:26:34,120
Speaker 2: Of alarming, how kind of like ragged and aggros.

3242
02:26:34,120 --> 02:26:36,319
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, I was kind of expecting

3243
02:26:36,399 --> 02:26:39,040
this to be more in line with a kind of

3244
02:26:39,079 --> 02:26:40,959
like when I just saught sort the pr shots and

3245
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:43,440
all the sort of the metal things.

3246
02:26:43,959 --> 02:26:45,239
Speaker 2: I was kind of expecting a bit more of the

3247
02:26:45,319 --> 02:26:49,399
kind of the worgasm side of things. I was like, Oh,

3248
02:26:49,479 --> 02:26:51,120
this is a little bit more. It's got a bit

3249
02:26:51,159 --> 02:26:52,719
more bite, it's got a bit more kind of like

3250
02:26:53,440 --> 02:26:54,760
genuine weirder energy.

3251
02:26:54,879 --> 02:26:57,319
Speaker 3: I think, like, I'm not dug into the Four Deachers,

3252
02:26:57,319 --> 02:26:59,040
but I know there's quite a lot of like the

3253
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:02,879
messaging and the kind of like lyrical content, and that

3254
02:27:03,000 --> 02:27:05,719
they're very kind of like conversation about certain subjects that

3255
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:07,479
they really are quite passionate about, which I think gives

3256
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:09,799
it a bit more substance. So I think, like, all

3257
02:27:09,879 --> 02:27:12,079
and all for doing something that I'm not super keen on,

3258
02:27:12,600 --> 02:27:14,399
I mean, this is of a higher standard than a

3259
02:27:14,440 --> 02:27:15,799
lot of the things it's surrounded by.

3260
02:27:16,079 --> 02:27:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, just some of those subjects that are referencing there

3261
02:27:18,280 --> 02:27:19,879
just to sort of be more more more clear about it.

3262
02:27:20,319 --> 02:27:23,559
There's a lot of kind of themes about essentially like disability,

3263
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:25,840
access and drawing attention to those kind of you know

3264
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:29,200
issues over this record. I agree where you're talking about

3265
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:32,760
the opener proper I suppose Smile, which you know, again,

3266
02:27:32,799 --> 02:27:34,639
if your mind was going Wargasa or whatever, that song

3267
02:27:34,719 --> 02:27:36,600
reminds me a little bit more like bands like Vexed

3268
02:27:36,719 --> 02:27:38,200
where they are, you know, a bit more for the

3269
02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:40,879
kind of you know, modern you know, crushy metalcore thing

3270
02:27:41,559 --> 02:27:43,920
a bit nastier, and it does put its meaner foot

3271
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:46,239
forward a little bit with that track, and then you

3272
02:27:46,319 --> 02:27:47,879
get into the song Waste and you go, okay, yeah,

3273
02:27:47,879 --> 02:27:49,799
this is your kind of gent floor filler sort of thing.

3274
02:27:50,159 --> 02:27:54,520
Certainly that the singer Jessica is definitely the element that

3275
02:27:54,600 --> 02:27:56,520
gives it the sparkle. She comes from like a more

3276
02:27:56,559 --> 02:27:59,079
Middle Eastern background, and there is that sensibility in the

3277
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:02,440
melodies and the way that those big clean melodies with

3278
02:28:02,559 --> 02:28:06,520
that like Eastern touch to them weave through the chunky,

3279
02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:09,760
bouncy riffing that is, you know, the band and how

3280
02:28:09,799 --> 02:28:12,239
they play this is the you know, it's like radio

3281
02:28:12,280 --> 02:28:14,799
one Rock Show, two thousand Trees main stage metal right

3282
02:28:14,879 --> 02:28:17,360
Like it's that subsection of the UK metal scene, the

3283
02:28:17,479 --> 02:28:19,959
sheen of spirit Box with the slightly more tech metal

3284
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:22,280
feel of like a ginger. That's the area we're looking at.

3285
02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:26,120
But you add that vocal element in and she's really

3286
02:28:26,159 --> 02:28:28,600
skilled vocally, both as a singer and the proper like ah,

3287
02:28:28,760 --> 02:28:30,879
you know, harsh, hacking up blood kind of wretch that

3288
02:28:30,920 --> 02:28:33,200
she does, and it does it gives it like an

3289
02:28:33,319 --> 02:28:36,959
element that catches the ear. And as a song like

3290
02:28:37,239 --> 02:28:39,719
Lilith and Esther, which has those like you know, modern

3291
02:28:39,799 --> 02:28:43,000
metal bounce, but with that Eastern sensibility mixed in, it

3292
02:28:43,079 --> 02:28:45,920
almost has like a twenty twenties feel of what a

3293
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,239
band at Lacuna Coyle were doing on a smash single

3294
02:28:48,280 --> 02:28:49,959
like Our Truth right where it's based around that big

3295
02:28:50,040 --> 02:28:50,639
kind of Eastern style.

3296
02:28:50,680 --> 02:28:52,920
Speaker 2: That's why I get that symphonic kind of metal sort thing. Yeah,

3297
02:28:53,159 --> 02:28:55,520
like things that there's a bit of like Epica.

3298
02:28:56,120 --> 02:28:57,719
Speaker 3: These things were just where she just has a bit

3299
02:28:57,760 --> 02:29:00,479
more theater and character to her vocal melodies that I

3300
02:29:00,559 --> 02:29:03,760
do think make this more interering like Hopeless as a ballad,

3301
02:29:03,879 --> 02:29:06,840
she again just brings a lot more to that and

3302
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:09,120
very sort of sincere approach, which means it's not just

3303
02:29:09,159 --> 02:29:13,120
another kind of stodgy, wet modern metalcore or metal ballad.

3304
02:29:13,239 --> 02:29:14,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a song letter on called Walking at the

3305
02:29:14,840 --> 02:29:16,399
Edge of a Knife that is built on a big

3306
02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:19,280
bouncy woe that is a bit it's borderline a bit

3307
02:29:19,399 --> 02:29:20,879
too whoa, you know what I mean.

3308
02:29:20,959 --> 02:29:23,159
Speaker 3: But yes, that was the one though that made me

3309
02:29:23,479 --> 02:29:25,799
like not so keen on that just because of the

3310
02:29:26,399 --> 02:29:28,239
feelings it kind of other artists.

3311
02:29:28,280 --> 02:29:31,040
Speaker 1: But but it just about clings on because it has

3312
02:29:31,079 --> 02:29:34,000
that distinct melodic feel that isn't just like us radio fodder,

3313
02:29:34,079 --> 02:29:36,159
you know. And I think the production for what this

3314
02:29:36,280 --> 02:29:38,559
brand of metal is wanting to go for, it's nothing

3315
02:29:38,600 --> 02:29:41,040
boundary pushing. The tones are all pretty standard and in offensive,

3316
02:29:41,079 --> 02:29:42,520
but it does sound like a real band who have

3317
02:29:42,559 --> 02:29:43,680
actually recorded it.

3318
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's thing.

3319
02:29:45,559 --> 02:29:48,000
Speaker 3: I think like someone was like a birth son, has

3320
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:49,639
a bit more of that kind of aut pop thing,

3321
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:51,520
but as well, it kind of gets a bit genuy

3322
02:29:51,559 --> 02:29:54,280
heavy as well, so it feels it doesn't feel as

3323
02:29:54,440 --> 02:29:56,760
mechanized as all these things do.

3324
02:29:57,280 --> 02:29:58,200
Speaker 2: Like that sounds like a band playing.

3325
02:29:58,200 --> 02:29:59,520
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like someone's pushed a button on a

3326
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:00,959
laptop to get that guitar sound.

3327
02:30:01,239 --> 02:30:04,840
Speaker 2: It's gotten like it is highly polished. It's not yet

3328
02:30:05,319 --> 02:30:06,040
anywhere near as.

3329
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,280
Speaker 3: Well, but it doesn't sound as kind of like corporate

3330
02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:11,079
and soulless as the worst of these sort of bands do.

3331
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if anything, this is so like proficiently

3332
02:30:14,479 --> 02:30:17,079
put down, Like I wouldn't call it soulless because it's

3333
02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:19,079
too like you well done for that. But it is

3334
02:30:19,159 --> 02:30:21,280
quite dry, you know. There's not a lot of room

3335
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:24,879
for excitement or imperfections or fun. You know, I don't

3336
02:30:24,879 --> 02:30:26,920
really feel much tension in it, Like when it moves

3337
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:30,000
into you mentioned hopeless, which is the totally melodic territory,

3338
02:30:30,239 --> 02:30:32,559
it's pretty lacking in any tension for me. Like it's

3339
02:30:32,639 --> 02:30:36,159
the kind of pretty metal ballad that through not having

3340
02:30:36,200 --> 02:30:40,559
any sonic depth or atmosphere or discomfort or anything to it.

3341
02:30:40,680 --> 02:30:42,680
I just don't really have any time for it. I

3342
02:30:43,079 --> 02:30:44,159
you know, when you said that you would have liked

3343
02:30:44,200 --> 02:30:45,680
this about ten years ago. I think as a podcast

3344
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:49,360
we've kind of moved on a journey away collectively from

3345
02:30:49,440 --> 02:30:51,959
these sorts of metal, just because they have a tendency

3346
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:53,879
to be a bit boring and a bit stagnant and

3347
02:30:54,639 --> 02:30:56,879
from where my tastes are at in twenty twenty six,

3348
02:30:57,479 --> 02:31:00,920
this is not not that you know, but we also

3349
02:31:00,959 --> 02:31:02,680
want to keep looking around and going, okay, like, what

3350
02:31:02,719 --> 02:31:04,360
are the bands in these realms coming through who have

3351
02:31:04,440 --> 02:31:07,200
a bit of identity to them and some authenticity and

3352
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:10,319
on a debut record to do more Malavora, do you know?

3353
02:31:10,399 --> 02:31:12,680
They do kind of fall into that category And like

3354
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:15,399
I was certainly full of all the mid paced gent

3355
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:17,479
riffs I could need before we got to the nine

3356
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:19,799
minute closer. But the fact that on a Deaby record

3357
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:22,760
you go for a nine minute closer, it's gumptious. I

3358
02:31:22,799 --> 02:31:24,719
think this is all right. Ultimately, it's not my thing.

3359
02:31:24,760 --> 02:31:26,600
I wouldn't call it world class, which is essentially what

3360
02:31:26,719 --> 02:31:28,840
it has to be for this kind of like safe

3361
02:31:29,040 --> 02:31:31,799
old tech metal to at all capture my attention. But

3362
02:31:31,879 --> 02:31:34,399
there's some character, there's some choruses like empty where you

3363
02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:36,280
do find yourself humming them by the third go round.

3364
02:31:36,680 --> 02:31:38,639
If you are in the market and the scene for this,

3365
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:40,840
then it might well be something that you would enjoy

3366
02:31:41,079 --> 02:31:42,879
with again some promise that it might be going somewhere.

3367
02:31:42,920 --> 02:31:45,879
So Malavora and their debut record, what if Better Never

3368
02:31:45,959 --> 02:31:48,959
Comes and finally really moving away from heavy, there are

3369
02:31:49,079 --> 02:31:51,440
a couple of newer name albums to pick from the

3370
02:31:51,479 --> 02:31:54,760
worlds of like Emo an alternative rock. This month, Sam,

3371
02:31:54,879 --> 02:31:57,079
we asked you which one we should go for, and

3372
02:31:57,200 --> 02:31:59,879
you named Sweet Pill with Still There's a Glow. This

3373
02:32:00,159 --> 02:32:02,479
is their second album. I confess I didn't know a

3374
02:32:02,559 --> 02:32:04,840
thing about this band prior to this record. I hear

3375
02:32:04,920 --> 02:32:06,920
that their debut album a few years ago put them

3376
02:32:06,920 --> 02:32:09,719
on people's radars a bit. Apparently Hailey Williams and Doja

3377
02:32:09,799 --> 02:32:12,200
Cat are fans. They've toured with big names like the

3378
02:32:12,239 --> 02:32:14,600
Wonder Years, but this one dropped a couple of weeks ago,

3379
02:32:14,680 --> 02:32:16,959
and again, not like the hugest month for this kind

3380
02:32:16,959 --> 02:32:19,159
of thing, but this seemed like the Emo record to

3381
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:21,239
capture people this month. So Sam, what do you reckon?

3382
02:32:22,280 --> 02:32:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

3383
02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:25,719
Speaker 3: So again they kind of calm where I did out Break.

3384
02:32:25,719 --> 02:32:27,079
But I remember hearing quite a bit a buzz about

3385
02:32:27,079 --> 02:32:29,120
when they played out Break a couple of years ago

3386
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:30,159
and people like really enter.

3387
02:32:30,520 --> 02:32:32,000
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'll keep an eye on that

3388
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:32,840
when they have an album out.

3389
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:36,600
Speaker 3: So I mean, this is very much my my sort

3390
02:32:36,600 --> 02:32:39,959
of wheelhouse in that it's math rock, emo kind of

3391
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:42,479
throwback but with big pop vocal hooks, and it does

3392
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:44,399
kind of really hit hit a spot for me.

3393
02:32:45,120 --> 02:32:47,079
Speaker 2: I think there's very much like of the.

3394
02:32:47,159 --> 02:32:49,680
Speaker 3: Kind of like modern emo sort of pop punk sort

3395
02:32:49,719 --> 02:32:52,159
of stuff that's kind of like crossing into the main

3396
02:32:52,200 --> 02:32:54,079
sort of things like Hot Malligan and so all that

3397
02:32:54,639 --> 02:32:57,719
this has a real kind of like fondness for the real,

3398
02:32:57,840 --> 02:32:58,440
like the real.

3399
02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:01,840
Speaker 2: Like Mafy Woodley guitar like emo stuff, which I think does.

3400
02:33:01,799 --> 02:33:03,719
Speaker 1: Give this feels more traditional than a Hot Mulligan.

3401
02:33:03,879 --> 02:33:06,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it does, even though it's still got like

3402
02:33:06,479 --> 02:33:08,760
big pop melodies all over it. So I think that's

3403
02:33:08,760 --> 02:33:10,920
one of the things that does actually make this stand

3404
02:33:10,959 --> 02:33:13,440
out of it more some blind as an opener, you

3405
02:33:13,559 --> 02:33:16,840
get kind of some clattering punk drumming mixed with like

3406
02:33:16,920 --> 02:33:19,799
that all that they said, the emo guitars or tapping melodies,

3407
02:33:19,799 --> 02:33:21,200
and I think it's kind of like yep that that

3408
02:33:21,319 --> 02:33:24,319
they have a fonance for that. It's jaunty and upbeat,

3409
02:33:24,520 --> 02:33:27,760
but it never kind of costs into twee sweet pop melodies.

3410
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:29,319
I think the vocalist is ay and that she's got

3411
02:33:29,360 --> 02:33:31,639
a real kind of attitude to her vocals, which gives

3412
02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:35,120
it more character. I think this is very just again

3413
02:33:35,159 --> 02:33:37,280
it's not groundbreaking in the kind of like worlds of

3414
02:33:37,319 --> 02:33:39,280
pop punk and emo, but at the same time, I

3415
02:33:39,520 --> 02:33:41,680
think this is a really pleasant listening experience that I've

3416
02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:42,360
had a lot of fun with.

3417
02:33:42,840 --> 02:33:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, this very much is it's it feels like, you know,

3418
02:33:45,159 --> 02:33:47,760
it's come from the diy emo scene that would be

3419
02:33:47,799 --> 02:33:49,719
familiar to us from you know, the twenty tens or

3420
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:51,959
even older than that, but you know they're now on

3421
02:33:52,079 --> 02:33:54,959
Hopeless Records. Is a bit more resources behind second record. Yeah,

3422
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:57,959
the stuff that I vibe with the least like this,

3423
02:33:58,840 --> 02:34:01,079
I'll use I guess, you know, a last example that

3424
02:34:01,159 --> 02:34:02,520
we did of something really in this world, something like

3425
02:34:02,559 --> 02:34:05,719
the Pool Kids album last year. That's where it feels

3426
02:34:05,719 --> 02:34:08,120
like really like empty and kind of energyless for me.

3427
02:34:08,239 --> 02:34:09,399
And I think that album a little bit more of

3428
02:34:09,479 --> 02:34:12,639
like the end the modern old pop influence. This feels

3429
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:14,959
again very like it's just based in you know, sort

3430
02:34:15,000 --> 02:34:17,920
of ninety style emo, a little bit closer to like

3431
02:34:18,040 --> 02:34:20,399
even your early Milk teeths a little bit where there's

3432
02:34:20,479 --> 02:34:22,360
like some skip in it. So I liked this more

3433
02:34:22,479 --> 02:34:25,600
right the opener sun Blind, as you mentioned, immedia energy

3434
02:34:25,959 --> 02:34:28,600
even with the Kata tone being really breezy and lovelorn.

3435
02:34:28,879 --> 02:34:31,879
There's those like fun little noodly math guitar lines, but

3436
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:35,440
it's immediately like upbeat and zippy. It's got a pop

3437
02:34:35,479 --> 02:34:38,479
punk sensibility to it, while only you know, being what

3438
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:40,559
your emo enjoyers might call proper pop punk, you know,

3439
02:34:40,680 --> 02:34:43,159
like not that pop punk. And again it kind of

3440
02:34:43,159 --> 02:34:45,120
reminds me a little bit bit like like Nervous in

3441
02:34:45,239 --> 02:34:47,520
that regard, but more American or you know, like Adventures,

3442
02:34:47,559 --> 02:34:50,200
you know, like Midwest emo based but with a bit

3443
02:34:50,239 --> 02:34:52,760
of pep rather than fully lazy. There are points where

3444
02:34:52,799 --> 02:34:54,319
you know, obviously dips down and brings down the temper

3445
02:34:54,360 --> 02:34:56,000
and everything, but it has a little bit of that

3446
02:34:56,520 --> 02:34:59,000
just you can imagine them jumping around on stage a

3447
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:02,200
little bit, you know, which adds something like I really like.

3448
02:35:02,239 --> 02:35:03,600
Speaker 3: Him in the song is like Glow where it goes

3449
02:35:03,719 --> 02:35:07,600
all kind of like cozy emo, very smooth, but well,

3450
02:35:07,639 --> 02:35:10,000
you know, bits where it gets a little bit spiky.

3451
02:35:10,120 --> 02:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I think slow Burn.

3452
02:35:12,120 --> 02:35:14,479
Speaker 3: There is one where they like again they cut loose

3453
02:35:14,479 --> 02:35:16,159
a little bit and the riffs have a bit of

3454
02:35:16,280 --> 02:35:19,159
like jagged edge to it, and again they say they yes,

3455
02:35:19,280 --> 02:35:21,399
they will be jumping up and down on stage for

3456
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:23,079
these sort of songs, and I think that that's a

3457
02:35:23,159 --> 02:35:25,799
really fun kind of element to add, which again just

3458
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:28,559
makes this very much something I've just found very re

3459
02:35:28,680 --> 02:35:30,079
listenable and just like like just.

3460
02:35:30,559 --> 02:35:31,000
Speaker 2: It goes on.

3461
02:35:31,159 --> 02:35:33,559
Speaker 3: I think my only gripe with this album. I does

3462
02:35:33,559 --> 02:35:37,200
say it's too long, but fourteen songs is a few

3463
02:35:37,239 --> 02:35:39,079
too many. I think some of the songs in the

3464
02:35:39,319 --> 02:35:43,520
back half do kind of like recycle ideas, where again,

3465
02:35:43,879 --> 02:35:46,440
I think, like the best of this song is really great,

3466
02:35:46,440 --> 02:35:48,559
and I think like ten eleven songs of this and

3467
02:35:48,639 --> 02:35:51,280
I'd be really into shouting for it. I do think

3468
02:35:51,719 --> 02:35:55,120
towards the end it just kind of like retreads familiar ground.

3469
02:35:54,920 --> 02:35:55,959
Speaker 2: A little bit too much.

3470
02:35:56,639 --> 02:35:58,239
Speaker 3: But when it's good, you know, there are songs where

3471
02:35:58,239 --> 02:36:01,120
you've got the guitarist Sean you can like training vocals

3472
02:36:01,159 --> 02:36:03,319
and he's sort of screaming every now and then. Just

3473
02:36:03,360 --> 02:36:05,520
to add it again, that's where that milk teeth thing

3474
02:36:05,639 --> 02:36:09,559
kind of comes. Yeah, that's with the occasional screams and

3475
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:11,200
a bit more bite to it, which is which again

3476
02:36:11,479 --> 02:36:13,399
a sound I'm very happy to sort of have. And

3477
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:15,520
it's all it's all well and good. I just think

3478
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:18,879
like maybe a less is more approach would have would

3479
02:36:18,879 --> 02:36:20,239
have like benefited this album.

3480
02:36:20,360 --> 02:36:22,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with essentially everything you have just said.

3481
02:36:22,879 --> 02:36:25,319
The word I wrote down for the riff and slow

3482
02:36:25,360 --> 02:36:27,879
Burn in my notes was Neurotic's that kind of just

3483
02:36:27,959 --> 02:36:31,959
like frantic, you know, chugginess to it. Tracks like Shameless

3484
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:34,280
and again, how those math guitars here. If that's your sound,

3485
02:36:34,319 --> 02:36:36,799
then there's gonna be a wealth of those, like they

3486
02:36:36,959 --> 02:36:39,719
fill the pockets with just flourishes, and recording wise, it

3487
02:36:39,799 --> 02:36:42,479
sounds very full those parts, as we say, where like

3488
02:36:42,520 --> 02:36:44,639
another member of the band does the back and forth

3489
02:36:44,719 --> 02:36:47,040
like there's the it got me by the throat in Shameless,

3490
02:36:47,520 --> 02:36:49,479
or the bits of screams and no control that is

3491
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:51,440
again really reminded me of like early Milk Teeth, but

3492
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:54,600
not as like maybe unwielderly abrasive as that. Like it

3493
02:36:54,600 --> 02:36:56,280
feels like they've got a bit firmer of a hand

3494
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than a bit firm control on it, this band. And

3495
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then they do go into full emo pace on Glow

3496
02:37:02,479 --> 02:37:05,000
and Tough Love and it's still pretty nice and easy

3497
02:37:05,079 --> 02:37:09,639
to drift off with. I very saey thirteen tracks when

3498
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:11,520
there's basically two types of song they go back and

3499
02:37:11,600 --> 02:37:13,959
forth on I got to about track seven before I

3500
02:37:13,959 --> 02:37:15,879
started feeling very fatigued by it, which is often my

3501
02:37:15,959 --> 02:37:18,239
thing with these records. But you know, you get rotten

3502
02:37:18,239 --> 02:37:19,920
a little way past like that, and that's like they

3503
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:22,639
add a little bit of spike back into it, even

3504
02:37:22,639 --> 02:37:25,079
if the guitar riff essentially sounds exactly the same as

3505
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:28,040
the earlier ones in that lane. I've seen a couple

3506
02:37:28,079 --> 02:37:30,120
of people who clearly have a relationship with the debut

3507
02:37:30,159 --> 02:37:32,600
album rate this poorly in comparison, but I just can't

3508
02:37:32,600 --> 02:37:34,559
speak to that. To my ears, if this is your sound,

3509
02:37:34,840 --> 02:37:36,479
then there's some really nice stuff going on in this,

3510
02:37:36,680 --> 02:37:39,120
even if quite one dimensional. It just sounds like some

3511
02:37:39,479 --> 02:37:40,639
very decent modern emo.

3512
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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think that that's a fair someone

3513
02:37:43,879 --> 02:37:44,479
who lives at this.

3514
02:37:44,520 --> 02:37:47,040
Speaker 3: I'm probably just more naturally fond of a kind of

3515
02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:49,600
like Yeah Poplin in modern emo album and I just

3516
02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:51,040
have a very good time with this. But I yeah,

3517
02:37:51,079 --> 02:37:53,200
I think it's if you're into that sort of thing,

3518
02:37:53,399 --> 02:37:56,680
this is just kind of like delivering a healthy dose

3519
02:37:56,719 --> 02:37:59,000
of that. Again, I need to go back to the

3520
02:37:59,120 --> 02:38:01,239
debut album and kind of give proper go I don't

3521
02:38:01,440 --> 02:38:03,639
I've listened once. I don't see how this is any

3522
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:06,040
worse than that really may maybe because this is just

3523
02:38:06,280 --> 02:38:08,280
a bit more polished and poppy, some some of the

3524
02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:10,680
more purest people are maybe gonna be a bit less

3525
02:38:10,719 --> 02:38:12,600
kin on this. But I could see this doing numbers

3526
02:38:12,639 --> 02:38:14,559
and people really sort of latching onto the Specif it's

3527
02:38:14,559 --> 02:38:17,120
getting you know Hayley Williams endorsements.

3528
02:38:16,959 --> 02:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Yes, certainly, so check it out. That is sweet pill

3529
02:38:19,440 --> 02:38:22,120
album is called Still as a Glow And that ends

3530
02:38:22,520 --> 02:38:27,159
this particular reviews bag, which absolutely started with a fucking bang.

3531
02:38:27,559 --> 02:38:30,120
But do not let some of those smaller last albums

3532
02:38:30,120 --> 02:38:32,120
We've got to you there at the end slipped by

3533
02:38:32,159 --> 02:38:33,959
you either if they sound like they would be your thing.

3534
02:38:34,079 --> 02:38:37,200
So thank you very much for being with us and listening.

3535
02:38:37,280 --> 02:38:39,120
Let us know what your opinions again on these you

3536
02:38:39,159 --> 02:38:43,680
know bands I've heard, but also the return albums from Neurosis,

3537
02:38:44,239 --> 02:38:47,040
Poison the Well. Are we off the mark on the

3538
02:38:47,120 --> 02:38:49,079
Lamb of God album, I don't know what do you think?

3539
02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:51,600
Let us know everything that you want to. Let us know.

3540
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:55,239
We will be back next week with a Hyperblast. We

3541
02:38:55,319 --> 02:38:57,440
will also be back within the next week with the

3542
02:38:57,680 --> 02:39:00,719
album Club Return to the that's time I'll pay, which

3543
02:39:00,879 --> 02:39:05,600
will be sparked off by it being time to explode before.

3544
02:39:05,600 --> 02:39:08,799
We also talk about some death metal and nineteen eighties

3545
02:39:08,840 --> 02:39:11,719
pop rock and youth crew hardcore and all the good

3546
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:14,040
stuff that makes up the TNM. That's not that the universe,

3547
02:39:14,239 --> 02:39:16,399
so check out if you want to get get involved

3548
02:39:16,399 --> 02:39:18,600
over there at the Patreon. We will be back here

3549
02:39:18,639 --> 02:39:22,479
next week, and yeah, fucking neurosis and poison the Well.

3550
02:39:22,760 --> 02:39:26,799
Our back recording artists AFI are doing headline shows in

3551
02:39:26,920 --> 02:39:29,520
the UK. Clap Clap, Clap everyone.

3552
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Speaker 2: We live