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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland.

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Paranormal means all the things that are impossible to explain

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by no natural forces or by science, and Ireland is

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steep and lower, ghosts, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, hunger, desperation

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and charm. Oh and the paranormal. Welcome to Scary Era,

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Mark Manning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple of things over the years. But

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I've learned, well I don't. I suppose it's not learned.

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I've just become accustomed to it. And I think it's

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kind of it's it's it's maybe it's another sense or something.

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But often when you go into places, you will get

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a feeling for the place, and you'll get a feeling

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of whether or not it's comfortable. And whatever cause is that,

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who knows what causes that. But we have an intuition.

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We have an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it

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is or where it comes from, or the physics of

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it or the chemistry of it, but it's there and

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anybody will will tell you to stick with your intuition.

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If you think something doesn't feel right, then don't hang around.

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Speaker 3: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn

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aka The Squire, and don't hang around either.

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Speaker 1: If you've got an Irish.

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Speaker 3: Paranormal tale to tell, simply email Paranormal Ireland at Proton

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Male dot com and it'll be read out for you,

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or you get to teletone air yourself. That's Paranormal Ireland

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at Proton Male dot com. Oh yes, the Squire recently

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took a very well deserved vacation down Sicily Way. I

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believe him and the lovely on you David show's not

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saying it out. You've gotta have your on again real soon. Well, folks,

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what have you been up to since I've been away?

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I've got a great guest lined up for you today.

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We're going to be talking to him imminently. First off, though,

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I really need your interaction. If the show is having

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any resonance with you in your paranormal life, please get

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in touch all as you've gotta do, and it doesn't

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have to be an Irish story, all right.

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Speaker 1: I welcome international interludes, all as you've gotta do is email.

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Now listen to me. Here's the email address, Paranormal Ireland

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at ProtonMail dot com. That's all you gotta do, and

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I'll get you on the show or read out your

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contribution whatever it is. So yeah, where have I been?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: I had a very interesting thing happened to me last week.

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I attended a reunion of people I sed to work

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with and I probably hadn't most of them in about

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thirty four years. My former colleagues in rank Xerox, Yeah,

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Xerox Corporation. You probably know it as everywhere else. It

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was ranked Xerox back in my day. And they were

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great guys. I mean I was involved in sales there.

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We all got together. I don't know, it might have

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been about eight or nine of us. Do you know

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what's amazing? Though, You get to a certain age and

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you try and share your past experience, as with say

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your children, and you can see their eyes glaze over,

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as does anybody you try and share the past with.

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But when you're in the environs sharing stories with your

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former colleagues, it's amazing. It's like those thirty five years

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didn't exist. We all just caught up and it's amazing

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you can talk shop without being embarrassed about it, even

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though it's irrelevant now at this point. But you can

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laugh and share the happy memories as well. And that's

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what life is really about. Having a nice dinner, a

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few glasses of wine, beer or two afterwards, but having

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the laugh and the old chin wag with people that

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where and still are important to you in your life.

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You had fun with people you worked with and I

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don't get out enough. I'm always saying it. So it

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really was a revelation to be able to just wipe

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away the years like that and have a great time

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as well. My thanks as always to Paranormal UK Radio

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for hosting this show and putting it on multi platforms. Remember,

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like and subscribe. That's the only way I can grow

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this thing. Like and subscribe, whatever the platform you are

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now listening on. Well, today's guest we're going to get

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on the phone shortly. He's a fountain of knowledge of

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all things Celtic and mythology and Irish censed in historic.

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Very fine actor as well, I'll tell you what. Let's

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just get on the blower to him, he looks like

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a young Sean Penn. He's a filmmaker. Are you a

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digital filmmaker? Hold that thought. He's got a great name,

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which is like a film star name. Anyway, his second

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name and his name is Bertie Brosnan. Bertie, How are

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you welcome to Scary Era?

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Speaker 4: Thanks? Mark, It's lovely to be here.

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Speaker 1: So how would Bertie Brosnan describe himself on what's he

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doing on Scary Era? Besides me inviting him?

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Speaker 4: At the moment, I'm doing lots of social media content

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all around Irish history, mythology and folklore. But my background

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is enacting and filmmaking and writing. And I also have

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a book out at the moment, Forgotten Prints, based on

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the Battle of Cantaft byan brewis Son and Brodier. So

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there is a lot of supernatural elements going on in

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that novella. So I'm pretty sure Mark was attracted to

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what I'm doing online, So that's why I'm here.

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Speaker 1: We'll certainly go back to that book because it sounds interesting.

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It's a novella, So what's that as short?

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Speaker 4: Ist?

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Speaker 1: Shit? What's a normal? A normal one is about one

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hundred and twenty thousand words.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a short I tell you. The kind of

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brief kind of background to it. It was meant to

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be a short film. I actually had a film production

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going with Timothy V. Murphy to play Brian Brew. My

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dream was to bring Brian to the big screen and

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start with the short. We had money in place, et cetera.

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of fell through. So that's where the novella was born.

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and it has the short screenplay at the back as well,

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So it's a very kind of unique book in its

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premium color print, so it's not like a normal short novel.

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It's actually got a lot more packed into it as well.

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Speaker 1: Where can people get it?

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Speaker 4: They can there are all the links are actually on

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my website, So if you go to ww dot Bertie

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brosnanfilms dot com, there's a shop on there and it's

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got all the links for all the different places you

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can get it from paperback obviously Amazon, places like that, Lulu,

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there's a few other options. Ten there's the ebook. You

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can get it pretty much everywhere Amazon, Bands and Nobles.

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There's plenty v book options on there as well.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic So what comes first with Bertie Brosdon. Is it

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the history the sense of Ireland, or is it the

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or is the filmmaking it, or is the filmmaking just

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a conduit for the interest in history.

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Speaker 4: Well, the history mythology folklore aspect of me obviously came

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first from my childhood and also kind of the supernatural elements.

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I've always been interested in that as well. Growing up,

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I just always never wanted to see a ghost, but

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was always fascinated with the stories along ghosts and you know,

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then the whole growing up on the west coast of

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Kerry Dinger Peninsula and born in Free but we spent

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all our summers in the Dinger Printva. So I was

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surrounded by kind of myth and legends and you know,

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folkkales and stuff. You know, in my own family, there's

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a bunch of poets, there's a bunch of you know,

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storytellers and things like that. So I kind of grew

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a career in indie filmmaking and acting and stuff. But

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that kind of over the years, kind of the realization

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of how difficult it is and how much of a

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lattery is at times, but I developed a bunch of

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skills from that pursuit. So then it's kind of all

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kind of amalgamated into this social media thing that I've

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and it's kind of taken off for me and I

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just felt it. I mean, the whole thing just started

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with me telling stories like the one from Scotia's Glenn

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and Trolle, the daughter of the pharaoh that was killed

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in the glen there. I just started telling stories like

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that and they all just went viral and I kind

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of haven't stopped since then.

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Speaker 1: Do you know, I'm thinking you must be related to

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Pierce Brasman because although he was from me, his father

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I believe was a carry man.

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Speaker 4: Well there is that's it's a bit of an urban legend,

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but you're not far wrongs. He definitely was based intraally

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for a very long time. The father, the father what

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wasn't an actual tree man, but he was pretty much

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a tree man because he was there for so long.

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He was actually living in casements Avenue or across the road.

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as well. But he fact, he thought it was actually

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a mead Man. I'm pretty sure he was a meadman.

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and actually they had the reunion in Kerry, believe it

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought they had it in a hotel in Dublin.

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Speaker 4: Or maybe they did, but I'm not one hundred percent

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sure because there's so many different variations to the story.

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But maybe they went for a trip down there or

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something like that.

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Speaker 1: That well, you know, yeah, I think ye attend the lineage,

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what with the acting and all.

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Speaker 4: And anyway, we're all kinsmen anyway, you know, the way

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I look at it, the Brazening Plan since you know,

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really getting in researching history and stuff like that, it's

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something that's lasted Irish people. We're clansmen like we're klans

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clans people, kinsmen and kinswomen like you know, we're all

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from the same branch. Like if I'm a Brasman, he's

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a Brasman. There's not many Brazlans around actually, in fact,

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but we're a very old plan. So we're probably not

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that far away from mature, you know, in terms of

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you know, you know, the family tree, like you know,

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it's not it's not that, you know, we're definitely not

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third or four puzzons, but you know, you never know,

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maybe six or seventh, you know, Well.

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Speaker 1: You might try reaching out to him. He's on Instagram

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as well, by the way, and.

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Speaker 4: He's a bit of a legend himself, brilliant. Whenever he's

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asked a question about Ireland's his accent it rises. It's

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amazing to watch, you know, do.

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Speaker 1: You know in his latest movie And we'll get back

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in kilter in a minute, folks, don't worry. But in

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his latest movie, I heard him interviewed about it and

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he's he's playing an Irish character and the director said, Irish,

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it up, Irish, Irish, give me more, you know, and yeah,

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he certainly went, I know, the perfect Irish accent is

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a Kerry accent. Because he said it was so varied.

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He said, it can have a threat to it, it

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can have a lyrical lilt to it. Yeah, and that's

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what he did. He did a Kerry accent for his

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latest movie.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting you say that because in the interview I'm

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relating to I put up one of the jows that

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I interviewed. You can hear his accents is quite kerry.

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It's quite strong, probably carrying it over a little bit

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since then, you know, since his.

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Speaker 1: Performance listen coming left the field. You're probably too young

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for this. Do you remember a song by a band

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called The Orb and the song was called Little Fluffy Clouds?

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Speaker 4: It rings it bell? But I don't remember too.

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Speaker 1: It's a loaded question. I'll tell you why, because the

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opening to it is quite unorthodox. It's a guy interviewing.

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I can't remember her name. She was an American country singer. Actually,

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I think she sued the Orb afterwards for using our vote.

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I can't I don't quote me on that. But the

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opening question was what were the skies like where you

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grew up?

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Speaker 3: What were the skies like when you were young?

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Speaker 4: They went on forever when we lived in Arizona, and

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the skies always had little fluffy.

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Speaker 1: Clouds in You mean, I believe the skies around where

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you grew grew up are pretty spectacular. Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: That's an interesting one because where I spent a lot

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of time growing up was by the photo Mount Brandon

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which is the second highest peak in Ireland. And I

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always noted that actually the mountain was very ominous on

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the side we were because it was very steep, and

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actually the sky around it was always very dark, like

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with clouds and stuff like that. But you might have

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you might actually have a nice day around you, but

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for some reason bind the mountain always had these dark

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clouds around us. So I think that was kind of

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I don't know why that stuck with me, but there

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is something kind of poetic about that, you know, because

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that area itself was noted and kind of studied by

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by a bunch of people that have seen, say there's

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a lot of mental illness and things like that, but

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then there was there was a lot of unbelievable artists

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living in the area as well, and of course Saint

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Brendan would have sailed out from there as well on

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the other side of them. So it's a very interesting place.

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It's one of the most beautiful places in the world.

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But it can also be a very dark place for

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people because it's so remote, you know. So it's an

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interesting kind of thing, you know that I have more.

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Speaker 1: Anybody emails me, by the way. I think the lady

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in question who was interviewed was Ricky Lee Jones. Now

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I was listening to you. Can we just bring it

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out a little bit further, What were the skies like

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at night around Kerry?

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Speaker 4: And quite credible, very intuitive questioning, I have to say,

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because it definitely it brings up a lot for me.

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Oh I've had I'll say this, and I don't mind

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saying this because I've said this on I'm Short and

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things that before that. I've had spiritual experiences looking at

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the night sky in Kerry, like because it's a carry

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in carry the dark sky reserves, and you know that

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means basically less very very little light pollution from from

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villages and towns and things like that, and actually night

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sky in the summer. I've experienced that a number of

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occasions where you literally just see the cosmost like you

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know pretty much, you know, and it's just incredible and

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it's hard to not it's hard not to believe in

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something after seeing those skies, you know, And that's always

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happened in Kerry. Never anywhere else do.

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Speaker 1: You just lie down on the grass or something and

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look up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we did that, I think with an ex girlfriend

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of mine. We did that on the beach.

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Speaker 1: I would not have been looking at the stars, but

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on well so we we it.

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Speaker 4: Was the summer's night and we were down there and

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well I have another girlfriend concern, right, we were not.

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But anyway to make to make a long story short,

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it was just no, there was there was a beach.

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I can't where exactly was this.

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Speaker 1: No, this was.

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Speaker 4: Just beyond Waterville, kind of close enough to Waterville. There's

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a beach there. There no cattle on the beach. And

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you know, just I mean there were shooting there were

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so many shooting stars and stars moving the class. I

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don't know much about the about astronomy like, but it

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just felt very strange because there was so many moving

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stars like and they weren't playing because I know the

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planes are planes are a lot different there there's a

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flashing lights and things like that. But this was it

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was just I can't describe it like it's it's it's

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something that you have to experience, like, you know, you get.

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Speaker 1: A good look at the Milky Way.

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Speaker 4: I did, and I kind of remember I did. And

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the ones that I remember is the plow. Oh, I

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always remember the plow that that's the one that was

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taught to me. First, and I think I always look

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for that, and then there's there's there's a b. I

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guess this for me, this was the old religion, like

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you know, this was the night sky, was the mass,

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like it was the mass of the ancients. You know,

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That's how they that's how they kind of predicted things.

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That's how they they designed their their days. There there

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the years around around them, the movement of the stars,

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around the movement of the sun, the moon, and you

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know this that's that's another thing I think as well.

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It's happening. You're getting in touch with the ancient part

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of your of yourself, your DNA, you know, and how

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the people used to think, because nowadays we're so caught off,

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we're electrified, out of out of the supernatural, like you know,

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you know, the power we've harnessed the powers of the

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world to kind of create this cocoon. Like. But yet,

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when you're in these scenarios where you're looking at the

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night sky and you're away from all that nonsense, like

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you know, even though it is perfect to have these things,

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but like I mean, when you're away from the nansense

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of it all, the kind of the facad of it all,

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you're kind of in touch with something like automatically. I

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think even if you're a complete devout atheist, you surely

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have a tinge of something there, like you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yes and thinking as well of and just hold it.

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It's not hippie tippy Fungi. Fungi the dolphin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever see him?

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Speaker 4: I did when I was when I was when I

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was young, and it was very sad to hear when

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he when he passed or when he disappeared and stuff.

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He was very much a friend of friend of carrying.

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I remember one time. I remember one time as Ready

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had a friend for a summer or two. This friend

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was male and I and it was around besides yeah, yeah,

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and it was kind of around the time when things

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were changing in Irelands around that. I just thought that

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was very funny, like but like it was kind of

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you know, there's still other dolphins and whales and things

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like that now, not not not like Fungi, but in

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that day or just beyond the bay you have the

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wild dolphins and stuff. But he was the most unique.

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He was interesting. He was believable.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know when are listening

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outside of Ireland, Funk the dolphin was as its name

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to Jest one of our watery friends. But he came

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to Dingle in he became synonymous with Dingle and Kerry years.

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Speaker 4: Isn't even a statue of him there now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really, year in year out there until he passed

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or disappeared or something.

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Speaker 4: Did he or he probably passed, but he'd hardly I

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would say it's unlikely that he just went. But maybe

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he did, or maybe he did to die. You just

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don't know. But he definitely, but he was there. Was

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he there forty years? He must have been well, he

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was there a couple of decades anyway, for sure, we

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need to I remember see him when I was a kid,

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Like I'm running forty so I mean I saw him

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definitely when I was an only six or seven.

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Speaker 1: Life begins at forty so here, grant you've got loads

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of yeah does though I'm kind of thinking, God, you know,

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I have to be honest with you. Turned well, I'll

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be sixty two if the Lord's spare me in a

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few months time. And let's just say, I'm I'm thinking

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about stuff I never thought about before. How about that?

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You know?

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Speaker 4: I tell you, you know, I know people turning thirty

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that have just turned thirty, and I remember turning thirty

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and it was horrible turning thirty, but turning forty feel

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for me that was me.

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Speaker 1: Listen, what I want to do is just hit the

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pause button there because you said something interesting a while ago.

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You said you were on record about speaking about spiritual experiences.

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How many spiritual experiences would you say you've had in

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your life thirty?

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Speaker 4: Are you just talking about like so, are we kind

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of leaning towards paranormal stuff now.

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Speaker 1: Or you know, things that make it go mmmm right?

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Speaker 4: You know where I mean? Those Those are definitely the

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top in terms of like knowing that there's something going

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on and actually a lot of it as well that

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we in terms of religion, you know, even though I

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am kind of religious at times, you know, I kind

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of leaned towards my religion as well, my faith, but

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there is thing bigger than the kind of man made

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kind of logic of it all, you know. But anyway,

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but in terms of actual experiences, let's say, potentially with

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supernatural events and stuff, many there was many experiences that

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happened over the years in a particular house in hand.

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I've talked about this quite a number of times where

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I didn't see things, but I definitely experienced weird scenarios

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with my brother and also with my uncle in this

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particular house that was probably haunted.

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Speaker 1: And was it an old house, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: And it was in the same kind of area that

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I've been talking about. So nearly everything spiritual happened to

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me within these areas. And actually I've heard a lot

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of other stories well, but I won't go into them

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because it's all in different places. But anyway, in this

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particular house, to make long story short, this the thing

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that freaked me out the most about it was that

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there was always this talk about an old Diarrati man

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that used to own the house and he used to

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be one of the old bailiffs or something to that effect. Okay,

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so over the years the kind of story kind of changed,

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but it was something to that effect that there was

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an old Diarrae man that used to hold the house

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and this was like the old old diarraye. Now one

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of the ones of you know, traditional time or sorry

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in modern times, traditional Irat and my uncle had this

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experience during the day. Now, this was after me hearing

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things go bump at the night, people walk up and

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down the stairs when there was no one there. My

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father was out working. I'm sure simpler times then we

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were left there, like you know, he was out working

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and there it was. It was simpler times, you know.

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So it was my father's job because he was a

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fishery bailiff in this particular village and we lived there

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during the summertime, so we were we were in we

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were in ownership of the house while he was working there,

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like you know what I mean. So it was our house.

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So and there was like literally footsteps in the stairs

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when there was no one there. We used to have

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the music on loud because you were terrified. My mother

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was absolutely gobsmack. But she heard all of this lay

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years later, like like what you know, we've had all

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these experiences. But anyway, it all kind of culimated in

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this experience my uncle had during the day when he

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was on the toilet going for number two without sounding

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to vulgar upstairs. And I remember it lunchtime.

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Speaker 1: One account anyway for something to.

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Speaker 4: There was not there was nothing he could do, let's

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just say that. So anyway, but I remember everything because

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they were down and they kind of there was this

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part part of it was like the kind of a garage.

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But we used to sell bait. We used to sell

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the permits for the river and things like that, right

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because we were just kids making a little bit of money.

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Blah blah blah. And anyway, he came down the stairs

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as white as the ghost, true story. And he came

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into me, he goes, and he was very kind of angry.

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He was an Englishman, right, so like my mother was

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born in England. They were Irish parents emigrated, and so

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he was. They were like, we used to say plastic pat.

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Apparently that's a terrible thing to say, you know. But anyway,

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he came in. He London. Actually, he was like, what

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did you just come up and say something to me? Bertie?

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And I said no, I've been here the whole time

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and there was no one else there, like, and he

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was like, no, I'm being really fucking serious. Now did

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you come up and say something? And I goes, no,

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I didn't. He goes, I've just heard something say something

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to me in the bathroom. And I goes back to

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Jay and he said get up. He did that voice?

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Speaker 1: How original?

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Speaker 4: And I was just like, I was just like, are

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you kidding me? And he was as serious as anything

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I've ever seen. It scared the life out of me

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because he was not making it up. And I was

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saying to myself because I heard all of this kind

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of in hindsight, it was kind of put together this

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whole story. Of course, he's been told to get out,

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did the old Ira man. He was the guy that

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owned the house.

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Speaker 1: And maybe Britt stepping on his toilet.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 4: There was one other thing very quickly that kind of

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cou Yeah, there was one other thing. There was a

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This is why I believe I believe there was something

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going on in the house, right, because he never really

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the thing never really appeared to us. It was always

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to outsiders. There was a Dublin doctor and this was

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a kind of a well to do guy. What we

473
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used to do was rent the house the rest of

474
00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:32,519
the house out as well, so people would stay each summer,

475
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:34,599
different people and things, so we ud get to know

476
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,839
him and everything. We'd have lunch with them, and it

477
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,160
was kind of a big enough place and this Dublin

478
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,480
doctor were sitting down having lunch again. It kind of

479
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,920
a lunchtime thing like, and I was, you know, it

480
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,559
seemed to be always at lunchtime. These scary stories happened.

481
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,119
He turned around to my father. I couldn't believe and

482
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,640
I still to this day cannot believe the conversation that

483
00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:56,000
was said. He goes Bertie turned down very post Dublin guy.

484
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,559
You know, he goes to my father and my father's party.

485
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,079
So he goes the most peculiar thing happened to me

486
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,720
last night, And he's like maybe. I was like, what

487
00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:07,480
what he goes just woke up in the middle of

488
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,000
the night and there was something in the room and

489
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,119
it was like a man who was standing in the

490
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,640
corner of the room. And I'm just looking and I

491
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,640
remember what I was eating. I was eating John West

492
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,160
crab or something out of a tint.

493
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,079
Speaker 1: John West enjured the worst to bring you the best.

494
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,279
Speaker 4: Everything was it lacked in my mind. I can see

495
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:28,000
the whole area, and because I was only a kid,

496
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:31,160
like her mind. And he's like and then I just

497
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,119
kind of just blinked and it was gone, and I

498
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,839
was just like. My father just laughed at off, but

499
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,960
I was saying, of course that's the man. That's the

500
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,319
same guy, that's the same guy, that's my uncle. To

501
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,079
get out, like, you know, it never happened to us

502
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,400
you know, but it always happened to other people. So

503
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,640
for me, what we experienced was to kind of walk

504
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,519
into the footsteps up and down because there was one

505
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:58,400
of those staircases where if you walked up at the

506
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,559
whole house kind of heard like you know, and things

507
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:04,480
like that and just weird. So yeah, that that helps

508
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,720
is definitely. That was definitely the biggest kind of supernatural

509
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:10,559
thing that's ever happened to make for sure, there's no

510
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:11,240
doubt about that.

511
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: What was the land like around that house?

512
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: It was basically on a river, so it was literally

513
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:19,680
two doors down from a river. It was a bog

514
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:23,599
land kind of marshy land, you know, basically river land

515
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,440
and mountainous kind of you know. The Branda Mountain was

516
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,200
just about two kilometers away. The sea was right out

517
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,880
in front, so basically the Brandon Bay sea would come in.

518
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,519
It was like a big, big kind of tidal plane,

519
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:39,640
so that the tiple go right out it be kind

520
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,319
of completely dry, and next thing, the tile come right in,

521
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,960
like you know what I mean. So it was it

522
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,200
was a fairly unique place.

523
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, because I used to live in a place

524
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,720
and I have I still do, but I used to

525
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,920
have really bad dreams, and later on I discovered there

526
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,200
was an underground river right nearby, and I think can

527
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,720
affect what. I don't know, whether it's tides and not

528
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,440
so much tides with rivers, but still just water in

529
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:10,680
general and elements like that. Did anything else happened to

530
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,839
you that that sticks in your mind? Paranormal supernatural?

531
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 4: Wise, let me think they're now, So I think they're

532
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,559
they're that's the biggest thing. I mean, there was one.

533
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:23,839
I could tell you one story about my father and

534
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,960
Bally cd Castle, please do if that was any interest.

535
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: He he he.

536
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: Bally City Castle is the castle just into the tree,

537
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,160
the tree town lands sort of the beautiful wood there

538
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,839
and we used to kind of be there, you know

539
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:42,559
literally as kids, like playing and everything, like we grow

540
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,000
and dawn and come back at sunlight as sunset that

541
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,599
kind of thing. But anyway, the castle is a very

542
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,880
old castle now it's very much done up in recent years.

543
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,559
And if you go into the barger and actually ask

544
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,720
the people there, they will tell you the ghost stories,

545
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:59,240
like you know, that's a part of the lower of

546
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,640
the castle. You know, they don't write it. And so

547
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,119
my father used to do security. We've kind of been

548
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,279
involved in security of the idea, a bit of security

549
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,640
as a job as well, just to pay the bills.

550
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:11,319
My father had a big, huge security business at one point,

551
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,680
and Kerry and he but he started out of the

552
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:15,680
night and night stared the man with a dog because

553
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,279
he was a dog man, like you know, the Alsatian dog.

554
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,559
So they used to have him there at night time

555
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,920
to go into the basement, you know, just to protect

556
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,799
the lands, et cetera. And he went in with the

557
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,880
dog into the basement, which is kind of the dungeon area.

558
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,119
And now there's rooms down there. Wouldn't fancy staying in

559
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,119
those rooms, to be honest. But anyway, he went down

560
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,759
there one night and he I don't know if he

561
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,200
had a flashlight on him. I can't remember that part

562
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,839
of the story, but I'll presume he did. But anyway,

563
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,839
he was walking along next to the dog stopped stopped dead,

564
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,200
completely dead, couldn't wouldn't move, and he noticed that the

565
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,920
dog's here. There was a long hair salvation. The dog's

566
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,279
hair rose up off his back and he stood and

567
00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:59,599
he was just staring exactly and he was staying right

568
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,440
into the act, as my father said. My father and

569
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,160
now will tell you he still doesn't believe in ghosts,

570
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,160
even though he has ghost stories. He's wanted the conflict.

571
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,079
He's kind of the conflict of the Irishman, you know

572
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,519
what I mean? You know he won't admitt it light,

573
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,279
but he said he didn't even he didn't, He didn't

574
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,640
just turn around. He backed out of the dungeon. He

575
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,160
backed out of the dungeon. And I don't think he

576
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,079
went back in that night anyway, But that that story

577
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:27,720
put put the fear of God on me, because if

578
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:31,759
a dog, I just think when a dog gets that scared,

579
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:36,839
there's something serious going on. You know that's going on.

580
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,599
Speaker 1: Here's my intuition taken in And you can tell me

581
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440
if it's erroneous. Right? What's going on with you and

582
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:47,799
the land? I get a sense of the land from you?

583
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,680
Am I imagining things? Are you really attached to the land,

584
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:56,640
the surrounding the land of Ireland?

585
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: Yes?

586
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: Why do I feel that? Am I imagining this? Is

587
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,839
that a bit too flowery? Is it?

588
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:06,359
Speaker 4: I'll say something to you now, and Jesus I might

589
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,440
sound like a mad man now, but I definitely think

590
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,400
there's something going on because I often if you look

591
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,920
at the the clant half the map of calant half

592
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,599
the Battle of calant Halfe where Brian tent is pitched.

593
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,440
I don't think I'm a minimile. I think I think

594
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,240
I'm very close where I'm actually living right now. I

595
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:28,880
think I'm actually very close to it. And I just

596
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,440
find it fascinating that this whole by and Brewting and

597
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,440
his whole story and he's done done, because story has

598
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,480
literally poured out of me, like you.

599
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: Know, and isn't it? So are you in double now

600
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,079
that I take it to I'm.

601
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,599
Speaker 4: In Dublin, I'm in Beaumont, And actually I look at

602
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,400
the maps. I've looked at all the maps, and I'm

603
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,000
going to be honest with you, I genuinely think I'm

604
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,559
closer to it than most. I think there's a there's

605
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,759
a pub ub and fibsbread as I claim it.

606
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,119
Speaker 1: But so now you're you're in Beaumont. But look, I'll

607
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,039
tell you what that. Just hit the pause button and

608
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,359
all that for a minute, because it is very interesting

609
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,960
and you've done tremendous body of work on it, and

610
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,079
we're going to talk about that. Yeah, we just get

611
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,640
a few other names into throw at you. We've recently

612
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,359
had Saint Patrick's stay here internationally recourse as well, any

613
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,119
thoughts on him.

614
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: I did a video about him, you know, around the

615
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,000
Patrick's Day, like I thought it would do a bit better,

616
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,720
but it's done okay. And my thoughts is that he

617
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,640
my thoughts is very basic in terms of like he

618
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,119
the legend and the mythology and the folklo around him

619
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,039
is a load of garbage. To be honest with you,

620
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,920
that's been kind of pretty much proven. He definitely was real,

621
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,279
but he wasn't the only one played This was there

622
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:42,440
before him, and there's actually pre practition issues that were

623
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,759
here before as well, are you know Christians that were

624
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:47,960
here before him, like you know what I mean? And

625
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,440
he he was. I think what actually happened to him

626
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,440
is that he was kind of nominated by later people

627
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,319
to be the kind of the savior of virons, you know,

628
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,480
the kind of person yeah, figure ahead, and of course

629
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:06,720
that that now it happens a lot in the Catholic

630
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:08,359
Church and stuff like that, So I won't say it's

631
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,559
unique to Ireland, but of course it will happen to

632
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,759
be someone for Britain that will be saving Ireland, you

633
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:20,160
know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But no

634
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,720
but listen, there was I don't believe in any of

635
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,279
this crack of him killing lords and drew that doesn't

636
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:27,920
it's just nonsense, to be honest with. There's no evidence

637
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,680
whatsoever about that, because I get a lot of that

638
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,799
from people, and people have zero evidence for it, like,

639
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,599
you know, because there there would be something. There would

640
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,319
be something like because the animals of Irelands were well

641
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,440
up and running like you know, and things like that,

642
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,680
there would be some sort of indication that he was

643
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,680
some sort of warlords and stuff. I think he was

644
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,599
a Christian missionary. He was someone that definitely knew the

645
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,279
court of the kings. He was a small guy. He

646
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,880
got involved with the court of the kings. And people

647
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,319
in those days, they see, people don't understand as well

648
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,400
that in those days you were welcomed into the court

649
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,039
of the kings if you were a stranger, like for instance,

650
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:05,200
they you know, they met you, and if you were

651
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440
there and they say, like you know, who they knew,

652
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,680
you would give your story. What can you offer the king,

653
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,839
like in terms of entertainment, in terms of news from

654
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,079
the the you know, across the seas, what can you

655
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,440
what can you bring? You know? And of course they

656
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,480
were invited in and they were a guest, and then

657
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,680
they'd be talking, you know, and that's how it worked,

658
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,079
you know, That's how people people don't understand. The world

659
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,839
wasn't closed, we weren't insular in terms of news, and

660
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:31,680
then in terms of what was going on in Europe.

661
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,720
People think like, oh, Christianity came with Patrick. No, Christianity

662
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,480
was already in Ireland. People were already interested, people were

663
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,759
already practicing certain types of Christianity in Ireland. You know.

664
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,519
Patrick was just a part of the story, you know.

665
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,119
So yeah, that's kind of what I think. It's just

666
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,519
it just kind of broken down into like just the

667
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,680
very you know, the human level of Patrick Water than

668
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:01,319
the mythology of Patrick. You know, important to do that.

669
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,519
Speaker 1: I'm always interested in the kind of incumbent as well.

670
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,839
What what did you know about the druids or do

671
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,679
you know anything about them? Because they seemed they ruled

672
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,559
the roost for years for eons? Really didn't they do?

673
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting when you look at it, right,

674
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:19,280
So the Druids obviously, you know, and they're they're they're.

675
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,159
Speaker 1: Kind of prist with a priest class where they.

676
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: And if you look at the early Irish Shane isn't

677
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,320
isn't it interesting that the early Irish Shaints were always

678
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,559
very magical and doing kind of magical things and doing

679
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,440
some really miraculous things. They were I believe they were

680
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,679
still druidic. They were still a hebrid of druids and

681
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,800
and the hybrid. I always say hybrid because I'm the

682
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,199
carey man. I like to make up work.

683
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,119
Speaker 1: You say, tomatow tomato. Yeah, okay, I've.

684
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 4: Been kind of I like the sound of hebrid or vibrants.

685
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,159
But anyway, so I do think the druid, the druids.

686
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,920
It was none of this crack of killing druids of course,

687
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,480
not like they were well able to handle themselves. So

688
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,639
like the they basically it was conversion. So it was

689
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:08,639
a conversion over centuries, just like the Vikings. The Vikings

690
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:12,559
converted over time. The Vikings were as warring as ever,

691
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,920
but they converted. It was a cultural thing, you know,

692
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,199
it was a cultural thing over hundreds of years. So

693
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,079
the Druids would have converted over hundreds of years years.

694
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,840
And the Druids, in terms of them themselves before Christianity,

695
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,360
they were a part of the they were part there

696
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,400
were there was obviously druids that would live in the forest,

697
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,760
and they were very kind of insular druids. But then

698
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,840
there was the course the ones that were involved with

699
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,599
the Court of the Kings, and a lot of them

700
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,239
could be well well versed in bread and law, you know,

701
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,960
in medicine and astrology, and they could be all rounders,

702
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,840
you know, and you know, but but they're but they're

703
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,039
very mysterious as well, because it's not that not much documentation.

704
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:54,079
They didn't believe in documenting things at Bertie.

705
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,199
Speaker 1: Were they involved in sacrifices? Do you think I.

706
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 4: Would say the human sacrifice element in Ireland wasn't huge.

707
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,199
It probably did happen, I would imagine, you know, with

708
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,400
any sort of people. They probably weren't extreme versions. I

709
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,199
just don't think there's enough evidence to say that it

710
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,320
was a huge thing in Ireland because it seemed to

711
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,159
be something in Europe. There probably was animal sacrifices and

712
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:18,440
things like that, but the human sacrifice doesn't. You see,

713
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,719
we do have enough evidence to show like that there

714
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,079
was that wasn't really the case. What we do have

715
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,000
is people certain people topagandizing it and just basically calling

716
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:32,880
us a bunch of savages. And stuff like that. That was

717
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,280
always from the outside, you know, that was usually from

718
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,199
Roman and British influences. Like so, I'd be very wary

719
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,079
of them because they didn't understand anything about Irish society,

720
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:48,360
a Gaelic society, which was very civilized for the most time.

721
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: You know, just on that point, because I just want

722
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,320
to roll back. You mentioned the Breham laws for yeah,

723
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,920
those who don't know what they were have, can you

724
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,519
elaborate on that or it was just.

725
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: Basically our own law system, you know, very you know,

726
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,920
our own created codified law system. A lot of it

727
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,119
would have been quodified by by comic Macart. I'm pretty

728
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:15,440
sure I'm right down by saying that. Cormack Macart, I

729
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,079
think pretty much put them all, you know, wrote them

730
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:19,960
all down. A lot of those books were destroyed. I

731
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,840
do believe there was a destruction of a lot of

732
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,519
our books on purpose, you know. But the Brendon law

733
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,960
system was a law system that would basically just keep

734
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,840
everybody in check, you know, because there was systems. There

735
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,920
were systems to the clans, there were systems to the provinces.

736
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,239
There were systems that were in place that you would

737
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,079
have to deal with things yourself within the clan. There

738
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:44,559
were certain laws that would that would protect the clan

739
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,280
and would keep everybody in check. And for instance, in

740
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,280
Breton law as well, women had a lot more power

741
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,480
than the rest of the world. And even to this

742
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,199
day there are certain women in certain areas of the

743
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:59,400
world we all know like that are treated terribly and

744
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,880
we never in our in our in our society, that

745
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,119
was not the case at all. Because women could divorce,

746
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,719
they could own property, they could you know, they could,

747
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,079
There's a bunch of other stuff that they could do.

748
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,039
So that's why it was a very unique system. I'm

749
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:15,800
not trying to say it was perfect. I'm not trying

750
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,119
to say, oh, we're better than everybody else, but I'm

751
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:20,039
already saying that because you hear a lot of this

752
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,239
top again, the stuff about us being savages at war

753
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,039
all the time, running around naked and battles.

754
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: Known as the land of Saints and scholars, and we

755
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,280
also absolutely saved Christianity during the Dark Ages as well.

756
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were a center of learning and that that

757
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,039
actually something as well about the Druids. This is what

758
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,760
I believe about the Druids as well. It's not that

759
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,159
I believe it just out of no research or whatever.

760
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,199
But if you do enough research you'll get you come

761
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,039
to this conclusion. A lot of the early Christians were

762
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,960
literally just taking over from the practices of the Druids,

763
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,280
just with this new culture of Christianity. So if we

764
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,760
look at what the Christian Christians were doing, your early

765
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,480
they became the sense of learning. But actually Ireland was

766
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,559
already a place of learning with the Druids. And I

767
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,079
do think the Druids were traveling and traversing disease. For instance,

768
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:18,280
in Kerry there's evidence of navigation boats six thousand years ago.

769
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,400
So people think that, oh, navigations are started with Brendan

770
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,480
and all that, You know what I mean, That's all nonsense.

771
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:25,639
They were they were traveling, not saying they were traveling

772
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:29,000
across the world, but they were certainly traveling in between

773
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,519
Britain and Europe, no doubt about it. Sure it only

774
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:33,599
takes for two days to come up from two or

775
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,719
three days to come up from Spain to Ireland. With

776
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,000
the stream that's involved. I can't remember the name of it,

777
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:42,559
but there's two or three days. Once you know the stream,

778
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:44,280
you can come up and down two or three days.

779
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: Yes, you and vice versa. I can't be specific, but

780
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:51,280
I know I think there were connections between Egypt and

781
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,360
somewhere up and can be made.

782
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. So I do think that

783
00:39:56,639 --> 00:40:00,400
the Druids were almost like they kind of there was

784
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,679
you know, to go back through Christianity, right back to

785
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,239
the earliest of Christians and you just go beyond this

786
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:10,039
the Ruths, So they were just carrying it on. There

787
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,760
was a cultural change, you know what I mean. And

788
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,079
people call us the Keels, but really we were Celtic culture.

789
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:19,280
We were influced by Celtic culture versus being because we

790
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,119
were actually really be Gails, you know what I mean. Ultimately,

791
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,599
that's who we are. You know, we weren't really health

792
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:31,039
from European because we were actually our own infra you

793
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:34,039
know people, you know. So yeah, I mean, look, I'm

794
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:35,559
no expert in all of this. I mean I do

795
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:36,599
a lot of reasons.

796
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: Bertie, I mean, you know, I'm.

797
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely do you know what it is. I'm going to

798
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,320
be answer to you. You're on about the land and

799
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,360
being in touch with things, and you know that's what

800
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,880
it's all about. Because I feel I'm more I feel

801
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,039
as a person, I'm not saying everybody's into this, because

802
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:56,320
I get it. Not everybody's interested in this, and that's okay,

803
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,440
you know, there's no problem with that, Like you're interested,

804
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,159
why you're interested in But I do think that even

805
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:04,760
a vague interest in this can really get you in

806
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,599
touch with something a bit deeper, you know, you know,

807
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:11,159
and I think that, yeah, and people look at the

808
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,480
Native Americans and stuff, but that they kind of romanticize

809
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,440
the Native Americans because and I get it because they

810
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,239
talk about it now, but we kind of look at

811
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,840
it and say, oh, look at them, they're talking about that.

812
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,239
But really we can all do that about our own culture.

813
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,400
You know, you get you you kind of when you

814
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,920
start studying history and learning the stories and learning the

815
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,760
bits and pieces about your own land, your own townlands

816
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,079
and stuff like that, you actually do get in touch

817
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,800
with those places deeper because you realize that all of

818
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,960
these events took place in this in this area. So

819
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,039
then it becomes a different kind of experience. Even if

820
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:48,800
it is a bit of an esshole, if you're looking around,

821
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,920
it's a bit of a it's not really looking great

822
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960
at the moment, you could still realize what this was

823
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:57,119
once where this happened. This is once where that happened,

824
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:59,079
This is where an importance, you know what I mean.

825
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,880
So it does get you grounded into places when you're

826
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,719
studying this stuff.

827
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:05,519
Speaker 1: It's amazing as well, how you can connect and have

828
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,400
something in common with someone thousands of miles away than

829
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,480
somebody across the road. Very quick story, many moons ago.

830
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:16,480
I won an incentive trip because I was a corporate

831
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:19,880
sales guy and I was over in Canada and we

832
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,679
were on this lake and there was a genuine red

833
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,079
Indian or whatever, I'm not sure what his tribe was.

834
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:31,320
His name was Larry, and Larry liked the al Fawater,

835
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,480
you know. And Larry though to be fair with sober

836
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,679
one day and he was given a lecture to all

837
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:44,000
these very disinterested no disrespect. Just when I say Brits,

838
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,239
I just mean British people, and I say it fondly

839
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,480
as well, because they were always great crack and great fun.

840
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:50,960
But I used to call them my Brits, you know,

841
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,920
because I'd go over with these guys and they'd have

842
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:57,639
no interest. They were interested in shagging and drinking and

843
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,880
having a good team. And he was there though, and

844
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,480
he was doing his best with this kind of rabble,

845
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,360
and I was sitting there and he said, you know,

846
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,679
does anybody know of a book called Bury My Heart

847
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,840
as Wounded Knee? And I went, yeah, I know about

848
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,400
that one, Larry, nobody else knew. They all blanked it,

849
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,760
you know, and it actually a document, a book which

850
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:23,440
which documented many of the sufferings and trials and massacres

851
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:29,280
of the Indians. And I had a little caravan, I think,

852
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,719
and Larry came over a bit juiced up. One night.

853
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,480
I bought a cooking book off a Canadian cooking book.

854
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,440
But he was impressed that I knew, and we got,

855
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,679
you know, just talking about stuff. And it's amazing how

856
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,599
much you could have in common because I respected his

857
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,679
culture and he respected mine. So it was kind of

858
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,800
hands across the ocean. I remember he even had that

859
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,840
he had the whole head dressed and everything. You know,

860
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,599
it wasn't just yeah.

861
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: I lived in Los Angeles for a year, and you know,

862
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,599
I had a similar situation with actually a native. There

863
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,679
used to be this community place in Glendale and he

864
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,719
used to go in there cheap coffee, and there's loads

865
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,760
of these interesting people just hanging out there. There was

866
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,480
this different kind of vibe there. It was like a

867
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,239
very strong community and there was used to There was

868
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,599
different people in there, and I got to know everyone

869
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,039
because it was like a bit restaurant and it was

870
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:21,199
like they saw cheap kind of. I think a lot

871
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,000
of people were struggling, to be honest with you, there

872
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,119
may be some homeless people and things like that. And

873
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,199
of course I was acting over there. I was trying

874
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:29,119
to make my way make long story shot. There was

875
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,639
a Native American guy and they got to know me

876
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:34,519
as the Irish guy, you know, And there was and

877
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,360
the Native American guy was kind of single. He goes,

878
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,920
I want to talk to you, and he said something

879
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,559
very very weird to me. He said, my people can

880
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:44,840
relate to your people. And I was like, what you mean.

881
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,599
He goes, oh, as a Native American, we can relate

882
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,920
to your struggles as Irish, you know. And I'm not

883
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,079
kidding with you, right, And this guy was an alcoholic.

884
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:54,880
I'm pretty sure he was an arcoholic. I think there

885
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,880
was meetings and stuff going on in there as well.

886
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,960
And next thing, I I think it was a few

887
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,519
months later, a Black American guy and an African American

888
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:08,840
car salesman. He used to go in there all the time,

889
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,400
said the exact same thing to me, the exact same thing.

890
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,679
I couldn't believe it, like the exact same words. Because

891
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,679
our people can relate to your people, I have watched me,

892
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,519
because we can relate to your struggle as Irish, exact same.

893
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:25,679
It was like a weird moment, it did.

894
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:30,039
Speaker 1: But they were proactive because it was the Foot tribe

895
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:34,960
actually sent was it money or something over to the Yeah,

896
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,199
they did the famine during the.

897
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: Great Family, Yes it is, yes, they did, they did, and.

898
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,599
Speaker 1: There recently it was reciprocated, I think finally after one

899
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:44,920
hundred and fifty years or something.

900
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, no, it's interesting. The Native Americans are fascinating

901
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,480
and there are as same you know, and as well

902
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,519
there are some folk tales as well in their tribes

903
00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:00,599
and stuff like that of these Europeans. But actually think

904
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:03,840
there was potentially Irish. They used to call him like

905
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,199
the white the White club people, and they reckon that.

906
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,599
There's a lot of people that reckoned that. There was many, many,

907
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,199
many many people going over there before Brendan over to.

908
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: And they weren't to be conquered. When we say Brendan

909
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,920
just for internationalists, the Irish monk who supposedly was well,

910
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,519
it's alleged that he may have discovered America. Was it

911
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,719
via Greenland or something like that, I'm not sure.

912
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: So he went so basic, so Brendan navigated. He was

913
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,519
from the townland of True and Phoenix, so where I'm from, right,

914
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,000
so he would have failed out from that place of.

915
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: Cora. Let's get germinology correct it.

916
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:47,519
Speaker 4: No, it was actual books. It was a book that

917
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,840
was replicated. Yeah, it was replicated by a guy called

918
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,840
Tim several.

919
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,519
Speaker 1: Seventy members in the seventies ages. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

920
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,159
Speaker 4: And he did it. And you see, the thing is right,

921
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,800
I actually believed it happened because it wasn't a straight

922
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,840
shot over to Newfoundland with where he actually ended up.

923
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:07,320
It was actually going up to the next one. I

924
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,119
think I'm always getting these mixed up, but it's a

925
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,920
fair up to the Federal Islands, then over to Iceland,

926
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,480
then over to Greenland and then over to Newfoundland.

927
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: Yes, right.

928
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 4: And what's weird about all of this, and I think

929
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,079
this is a strange thing, is that there's actual people

930
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:24,800
in New Ferment to this day. And I'm not saying

931
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000
they're connected, but I just think it's a weird sequence

932
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,719
of events. There's people in Newfoundland these that that actually.

933
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: Have Irish act that's so true.

934
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. I met them. I mention the Los Angeles. Yeah, something,

935
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,639
it's weird. It's an amalgama. It's it's like an Irish

936
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:42,800
accent you never heard of before. It's weird that that sounds.

937
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. We we had Brinsleaton on from Weird Ireland a

938
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,559
week or two back. Yeah, and he was mentioning that

939
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,360
even as parts of Wexford that still used Yola, which

940
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,039
is an old it's an old English accent, and there

941
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,880
was an enclave there before. But I think before the

942
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,840
Vikings came along or something, we'd be talking about those Vikings.

943
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,480
That's how that thought very quickly. Filon McCool and all

944
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,079
that kind of mythical stuff. Any any thoughts.

945
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 4: On that, I'm film McCool.

946
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a giant or something, wasn't he or

947
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,480
a chief to that.

948
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 4: Well again, it's like it's like the Patrick Stuffs. The

949
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,599
mythology is fit is nice, you know, there's nice stories

950
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,920
and stuff like that, But no, I'm sure Phil McCool

951
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,199
was a real person. He was written into the animals

952
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,760
of Ireland. His death was written into the Islands of

953
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,559
Ireland like, so he was around at the same time

954
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:35,760
as Comack mcart. The problem is that what people had

955
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,599
do is they've mythologized or they have been sold on

956
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:44,239
the mythologized version of it versus the real people. These

957
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,119
people were real people. They just were the stories grew

958
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,199
up around them, you know, and there's no control for that,

959
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,599
like you know what I mean, that just happened. The

960
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,159
actual film and the Fia were actually an army of

961
00:48:56,639 --> 00:49:00,239
Cormack mcart They were real people, like, real people lived

962
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,960
in Ireland, like they didn't. We didn't just all just appear.

963
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:06,599
When when the Christians came some people, some people think

964
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,800
that just because the records, the historical records have fat

965
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,559
happening around the fifth century with with the Christians, is

966
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:16,519
that we are we kind of just came into existence.

967
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:19,480
Then there was actual people live in there, like you know,

968
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,039
so these people.

969
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: For thousands of years, you know, and there like older

970
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,599
than the Pyramids, you know, New Grade.

971
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, so I think, yeah, the Christians that is

972
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,960
a great service in terms of transcribing the oral traditions.

973
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,960
But I think they also attainted the stories because they mythologized.

974
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,280
A lot of them kind of were very careful about

975
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,400
what they wrote down, you know, because of their own

976
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:49,920
faith and stuff like that, which is fair enough. But

977
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:53,880
the stories were probably a lot different to you know that,

978
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,400
you know, and and they were kind of just got

979
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,800
more and more fantastical as the years went on, you know.

980
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,400
And that's the problem with us, because now what you

981
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:05,719
hear is like because if you actually look at the

982
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,000
definition of mythology, it actually the proper definition is and

983
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,280
I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but the proper definition is

984
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,480
all about the oral histories of a culture. So now

985
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,400
it's kind of a little bit of a you know,

986
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,719
a paraphrase of that. But then there is the corruption

987
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,519
of the world where myth is if it means lie.

988
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,880
So actually our oral traditions weren't live there. They were

989
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:36,039
the oral histories handed down. The problem with them was

990
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:40,719
the problem was that they were they were learned through verse,

991
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:45,039
so that the people remembering and reciting them could actually

992
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:48,239
find it easier to remember and recite them the old

993
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,360
So for instance, let's you say, I'm Brian Brew, I

994
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,079
mean the course is okay, tell us about Fion now again, tonight,

995
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,880
I want to hear that story again. But then the

996
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,480
story would happened true verse, because that was the way

997
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:01,880
it was rembs. That's the way it would be most entertaining.

998
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,719
And of course with verse, with poems, things become poetic,

999
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,199
things become romantic, you know what I mean.

1000
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: And and hence I think probably the old Irish gift

1001
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,760
of the gab.

1002
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 4: And exactly exactly, exactly exactly. But that doesn't mean I

1003
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,679
don't believe that these people taught that these people were

1004
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,280
just made up. They these people knew they were real.

1005
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,599
It's just that the stories that grew up around them

1006
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,920
were fantastical and mythical, and and you know that's and

1007
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,000
even Brian Brew has this, and he was a real

1008
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:36,360
starical character. Like as a fact, people can won't dispute

1009
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,119
that even the legend around him has to be brought

1010
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:41,639
down to earth. And that's what I do, and that's

1011
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:44,360
what I'm going to be doing with Irish medieval history

1012
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,559
at the weekend. We're going to go through his life.

1013
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:48,639
We're going to go through all the bullshit as well,

1014
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:51,599
like where it's not Irish versus Vikings, it's not this,

1015
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,480
It's not not as simple as that everybody thinks. I'd

1016
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,519
be often called out as well. Oh, Irish didn't wear

1017
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:00,519
chain made into battle? Yes, it is, some of them,

1018
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,480
did you know? I see there is this kind of

1019
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,559
kind of they were.

1020
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,199
Speaker 1: Some of them are mercenary as well. And Scott's descend

1021
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,599
and and you know, yeah, you know, I can't there's

1022
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:12,639
a name for them. There's a name for a particular

1023
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:13,679
kind of mercenary and.

1024
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 4: Irish or you're talking about you're talking about the gallow Glass.

1025
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,199
There's big with big, but that would be a little

1026
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,360
bit later later, But what I'm talking about is the

1027
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,039
old Gale. But what people would say is they would say, oh,

1028
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,920
the warriors didn't wear change, they didn't wear a kind

1029
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,519
of type of chain riveted chain riveted mail. That's true

1030
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:37,559
because a lot of them didn't because they were it

1031
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:39,960
was all the types of pactice they were using. But

1032
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,320
there was definitely in the pitched battles there was definitely

1033
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,840
chain mail used by you. You wouldn't go into a

1034
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,440
war with Vikings without chain mail, you know what I mean?

1035
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:50,679
Speaker 1: Sorry to cut across you as an actor. Have you

1036
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,000
ever tried on chain mail?

1037
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,079
Speaker 4: I did one time, I think I was and got

1038
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:00,400
it we ton a weigh a ton all come com clearly.

1039
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,840
I think the one I worn now was very closely

1040
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,679
replicated replicated chamber, but it wasn't the real one. So

1041
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,800
no ways the time, I mean, it's unbelievable stuff. But

1042
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,280
my point is that the story that what actually happens,

1043
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,159
even to like you know, any to any story, to

1044
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:20,280
any character, to anyone, we do it even modern times.

1045
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,000
We create legends, So doesn't mean the person didn't exist.

1046
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,000
It just means that we created this legends out of

1047
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:29,280
this out of it. So to go back to your think,

1048
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:32,440
for me, I believe these people were real characters. I'm

1049
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,360
not saying that every single person that we mentioned in

1050
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,800
every story is real. I just think the prominent ones

1051
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,199
are real. It's just that we create legends out of them.

1052
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,360
But those legends are good, and those legends are important

1053
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,559
for kids and for our entertainment. But the really we

1054
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:50,159
have to remember that the real people existed as well.

1055
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,840
And let's break that down. Let's find out what how

1056
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,119
this war actually was. Because if you think about film

1057
00:53:56,199 --> 00:53:59,840
McCool he was in and around the second third century,

1058
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,280
so that's like well after Christ. So like what you

1059
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,079
know what I mean, like why why is it that

1060
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,719
we have all this mythical, fantastical stuff two or three

1061
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,000
hundred years after Christ? Even though people know that Christ

1062
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:15,639
was a historical character. Why can't our characters be historical

1063
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,400
people as well? You know what I mean?

1064
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, when we're talking about

1065
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,039
Fion McCool and his Ilk, we're talking about stories that

1066
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,840
are very like Marvel comic characters. Some of this exactly

1067
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,039
fate up to. But look, I tell you, speaking of

1068
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:34,960
which heroes, So who's your ultimate Irish hero?

1069
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 4: Brian Brew?

1070
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,679
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know in the mix you have obviously

1071
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,719
Michael Collins in more contemporary times, Michael Collins, Brian burw Connell.

1072
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:49,159
But Brian Brew's demand for you, which there's you can

1073
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:55,639
use that? Now, let's talk Brian Brew. Battle of Clontarf.

1074
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,679
You essentially kind of have newly written a thesis on

1075
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,119
it from what I can see. So here we have

1076
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,880
a situation kind of reminiscent if I can pop it

1077
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,320
a bit like a Vietnam and an American force. Okay,

1078
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,679
So you've got this sophisticated technological force and the Vikings,

1079
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,800
and then you've got this native not quite gorilla. We

1080
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,360
didn't get there until Collins, I think with the Irish.

1081
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,559
So okay, let's start first of all, so who were

1082
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:36,360
the baddies the Vikings? What were way up to an Ireland.

1083
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: This was a very long, complex story, but to get

1084
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,519
something very straight, and this is how Irish medieval history

1085
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,840
has got a big YouTube channel has gotten interested in

1086
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,039
me and wants me on board with these live streams

1087
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:51,320
and stuff for the next few weeks. Is because there's

1088
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,960
something we By the time Brian brew came around and

1089
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,920
came and came to force, there was Irish Vikings. So

1090
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,920
they were the North Scale. There's different names, Hypern and North.

1091
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,119
So there's a lot of these guys were actually involved

1092
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,119
in the cities of Ireland, and they were very much

1093
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:10,960
kind of, you know, like foreigners that came here two

1094
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,559
hundred years ago. Let's just say two hundred years time,

1095
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:18,119
whoever's farn here now will pretty much be Irish by

1096
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:23,159
they integrated. They integrated for sure. Now they were still

1097
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:26,119
known as the foreigners because they were kind of kept.

1098
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,000
The thing. The difference between say Vikings of Ireland and

1099
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,239
the Vikings of Saint Britain. They never conquered Ireland, so

1100
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,039
they were always kept to their cities. They tried many

1101
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:38,320
times to do it, they they never succeeded. So what

1102
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,400
actually happened over time from say the first raids of

1103
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,920
the late eighth century, that's when they were the baddies,

1104
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,239
by the way, they started raiding the shores. They were

1105
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,320
literally a new foreign force in the late eighth century,

1106
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,760
raiding monasteries, coming up the rivers. Raidings. That's when they

1107
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,239
were pure out foreigners that we didn't know anything about,

1108
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,000
completely foreign language.

1109
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:04,119
Speaker 1: They were marauders, right, marauders.

1110
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:07,039
Speaker 4: Raping, pillaging, the whole lot, the worst of the worst. Right. So,

1111
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,159
but over time they started developing their own landforts and

1112
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:14,360
they turned into little kind of urbanized kind of cities.

1113
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,599
And the things that people get very upset over is

1114
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,000
when I say, you know, they started our cities, which

1115
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,920
they did because we lived in ring forts, and we

1116
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,079
lived in these kind of big ring forts monasteries and

1117
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:31,119
stuff like that. The Vikings brought this urbanized kind of

1118
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:35,320
trading centers which we didn't have, Like it was bad

1119
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,960
West for Dublin. Well let limit park. Now. People get

1120
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,360
get very upset because when they hear that, they say, oh,

1121
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,519
but we had a settment there. Yeah, No one's disputing

1122
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:47,679
that we had a settlement there as well, but they

1123
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,840
just started their own version of as near enough and

1124
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,800
that became the actual settlement over time. For instance, but

1125
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:56,360
in my yo are clear, which is the Dublin as

1126
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,440
great for Dublin, it was called Dublin and then but

1127
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:02,840
there was in Mario, but we call it I Maria

1128
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:08,000
are clear, which our clear is actually the original settlement

1129
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,960
of Dublin. But Dovelin was the actual Viking version Black

1130
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,320
Blackpool exactly.

1131
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,559
Speaker 1: Maya was town or something, isn't it town?

1132
00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, the town of all Hakia. I think it's something

1133
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,039
to do with a ford as well. It's the ford

1134
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:27,119
of the of the river. Yes, yeah, yeah, so that

1135
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:28,760
that would have been all connected to the Battle of

1136
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,239
Cantaft as well. But anyway, the point is that they

1137
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,760
developed these and then what actually happened is with they

1138
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,880
have battles with the provincial kings, the petty kings and stuff,

1139
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,679
and they were just basically they were never they never

1140
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,639
got beyond these places. But the kings of Ireland started

1141
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:51,280
using the vikings in their own battles, you see, because

1142
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,360
these vikings actually a lot of the time people get

1143
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,039
misconscrewed and actually they deal for it in the show

1144
00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:59,760
as well. They were yeah, raiding and prillaging stuff, but

1145
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,519
they actually looking for places to live because they were

1146
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:06,360
having serious problems in their own Scandinavian lands, right, so

1147
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,920
they actually were looking to settle down. So they actually

1148
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,760
did start getting involved in politics. They started marrying into

1149
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,119
the into Gaelic nobility, they started doing different things, they

1150
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:19,119
started integrating, they started learning the language, and they started

1151
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,320
converting to Christianity. So there was a lot of this,

1152
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,840
But what actually happened over the next couple of hundred

1153
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,119
years is that you get these kind of new fresh

1154
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:31,719
For instance, it was first is the Norse. The first

1155
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,480
Viking Age was the Norse Norwegian, and then the second

1156
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:38,320
Viking Age was the Danish. So the Danish were the

1157
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,719
ones of Dublin and stuff like that like that, you know,

1158
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,679
and then there was the different versions of them around

1159
00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:45,519
the place. So you get every now and again you

1160
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:48,719
get a Norse Gale king, say, for instance, Citric Silk

1161
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,480
and Beard would rise up, Ivar of Limit would rise

1162
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,039
up against the Gaelic the Gales, and they sometimes they'd

1163
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:58,239
bring in mercenaries. But the biggest one, the biggest rise

1164
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,960
and the last major one of fresh Vikings coming from

1165
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,280
the Kingdom of the Isles off the Islands Isle of

1166
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,599
Man et cetera, was the Battle of Camperth in a coalition.

1167
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,639
Speaker 1: So the saying was said, we had the Irish led

1168
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:16,239
by Brian Brew Was there a figurehead in charge of

1169
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:17,440
the Vikings or a leader?

1170
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:23,039
Speaker 4: So the coalition was Citric Silkin Beard of Dublin, who

1171
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,199
was a North Gale king. There's a whole familial thing

1172
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:29,639
as well there, because Brian was Brian was married to

1173
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,320
this guy's mother before he'd married off his own daughter

1174
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,079
to Citric. It was a big mess. And actually Donaka

1175
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,639
the guy of my book, the productist my book, Brian's

1176
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:41,199
son was actually son of Gorma who was in the city.

1177
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:44,119
So it was a huge family thing. But anyway, I

1178
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,440
won't go into big, huge complexities. We can buy the

1179
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,639
book if they want. The coalition was a rebel alliance

1180
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:55,039
of the Kingdom of Leinster under Male Mrda, who was

1181
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,920
Cittric's uncle. Citric Silican Beard was king of Dublin North Gale.

1182
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,079
He was son of all that current the last Viking

1183
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:05,079
king of Dublin and Gernola. And then there you had

1184
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:09,679
actual broadier of Man who was potentially high Burn or Norse.

1185
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,159
I would lay, I would lean towards being more Norse

1186
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:14,599
than high Burn or Norse. He probably did be Gaelic.

1187
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,159
He was the commander of a certain contingency of mercenary

1188
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:22,079
Vikings from Man. Then you had Broader, who was a

1189
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:26,199
Norse Viking Norses, you get no high Burner a part

1190
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:29,760
of him. He was here to collect whatever he could

1191
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,920
out of this land. He was promised to law by Citric.

1192
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:34,639
This is why I believe this was the last Viking

1193
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:36,800
invasion of Ireland. For a lot of people will give

1194
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,920
you a lot of bullshit and nonsense about oh it

1195
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,920
was only Vikings were fighting on the side of Brian

1196
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,559
as well. It's a load of nonsense, like they're talking

1197
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:51,719
about Limnok, Limerick and Waterford, Northcale settled Vikings have been

1198
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:54,280
there for two hundred years. Irish vikings they were, They

1199
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,679
were more Viking than like they wouldn't have they wouldn't

1200
01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:59,880
have been going Viking in anywhere else. They were settled

1201
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,840
in those in those cities, they were subjugated by Brian,

1202
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,800
working for Brian. They were literally Brian Damley and there

1203
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,159
was hardly any of them. There was a very small number.

1204
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,599
Two thirds of Ireland was represented by Brian brew So

1205
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:15,039
the battle took place in Clantaft, very close to where

1206
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:18,960
I'm living and just kind of a couple of miles

1207
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,559
from me is the shores of Plantaft basically leading into

1208
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,880
the estuary of the Talca. Dublin Bay was a lot

1209
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,960
different in those days. It was a tidal plane. There

1210
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,519
was no Knockbull Island, it was completely different. Brian was

1211
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:36,400
camped out in Dublin many times over because this guy,

1212
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,159
Citric was kept rebelling against him, and he kept putting

1213
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,719
him down, kept submitting him. But this was the last one.

1214
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,599
The last fight is actually coming up on the one

1215
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:48,079
thousand and eleven years ago.

1216
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,599
Speaker 1: You know fourteen was the battle?

1217
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:56,639
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, exactly April twenty third ten in Easter weekends.

1218
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,800
Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, not only was the Easter

1219
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:03,159
is in nineteen sixteen a part of our lore, we

1220
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,519
have the battle a lot of people to death exactly.

1221
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,719
So anyway, so the battle, the battle took place. There

1222
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,800
was probably up to about ten thousand warriors fighting. It's

1223
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,199
very likely actually planned. There's another crowd called clans and

1224
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,280
Dynasties that by me Hall who is a very good,

1225
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:23,840
good researchers scholar, and this he has proven that there

1226
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:29,280
was probably two thirds of surnames from Ireland represented in

1227
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,719
the Battle of Tantas under Bryant. So if anybody thinks

1228
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,519
it's Vikings fighting on the side of Bryan, they need

1229
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:37,639
to get to have you know, have a bit more research,

1230
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:41,599
because two thirds of the gay plans are represented in

1231
01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:46,320
that battle under Bryan's army, under Bryant's banner. Sorry. So, yeah,

1232
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,199
there was probably up to go two thousand Viking mercenaries

1233
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,159
coming from the Kingdom of the Isles.

1234
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: And in a complicated where the armies in terms of arment,

1235
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:59,239
armaments and technology would would there be they.

1236
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 4: Found Yeah, Like I mean, I've done a video on

1237
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,800
this recent if anybody's listening and wants to go onto

1238
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,920
Bertie Brazen and YouTube my recent video Wife's contast to

1239
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,400
the matter of Brian Bruce last time. You can see

1240
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,079
some pictures of the battle size and stuff, and you

1241
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,320
can see some of the armor of the Vikings. It's

1242
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,880
quite scary when you see the armor. They literally had

1243
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,400
the steel helmets or the iron helmets. I can't I

1244
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,079
don't want to remember the actual that's what Irish medieval history.

1245
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:27,280
He's going to be brilliant on Saturday because he can

1246
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,360
come in with the very specifics of the armor and stuff.

1247
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:33,639
But they had their metal armor, they had their metal

1248
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:36,000
chain mill and their metal swords, and they used to

1249
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,480
deal with axes as well. So the biggest issue with them,

1250
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,800
the biggest issue with Citric, and the biggest issue with

1251
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:49,880
this coalition is they underestimated Brian because yes, he was

1252
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:55,440
old and he wasn't fighting. He's commander. He was seventy three.

1253
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that.

1254
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he became high king only when he was six

1255
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:04,280
one night. Yeah, you know, it's an unbelievable story. That's

1256
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,159
an unbelievable story, like his rise to power and stuff.

1257
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:11,280
It's a huge Land Bland complex story. But anyway, so

1258
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,559
he didn't fight. It was his it was his first son, commander,

1259
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,719
commander in chief, you know, and he was going to

1260
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,960
take over high kingship. It's a very sad story in

1261
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,559
the end, Murrach and his grandson was fighting in it,

1262
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:28,039
and you know they basically they kind of pitched in

1263
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:31,280
a certain way that the Vikings didn't and the people

1264
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,440
that were fighting didn't understand the title plane. You see.

1265
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:38,719
So although they were doing well and the and the

1266
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,960
other thing that Brian did as well is he actually

1267
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:45,039
this this is sounds very kind of dark and finister,

1268
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:47,480
but it was actually a tactic that every kind of

1269
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,519
commander with Jews or general would Jews our king they

1270
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:55,400
would go around the lands of Dublin and basically burn

1271
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,559
out the areas around Dublin. And the reason for that

1272
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:03,800
was that if the Vikings won, they didn't have anywhere

1273
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:09,760
to go afterwards. They just couldn't they nowhere to go, like, yeah,

1274
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,519
you're just not going anywhere, like you know, you're not

1275
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:14,199
You're not going any further than this site. Like so,

1276
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:16,199
for instance, when they came out there on the shore,

1277
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,840
all they could see is the burning, you know, the

1278
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,039
places burnt out around. So they literally had to move

1279
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:23,920
towards the gale, you know what I mean.

1280
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: A morale factor as well. I'm sure that.

1281
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 4: I'm sure even City Silk and Bear didn't even fight himself.

1282
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,199
He staple in the walls and he said leave these

1283
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:38,320
other lad's fight because he was a small guy, like

1284
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,199
he was a smack very small guy. Probably a bit

1285
01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:44,159
of a coward as well, though, you know they call

1286
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,119
the Great Survivor. He laid the foundations for christ Church.

1287
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,639
Believe it or not, he converted. He converted in the end,

1288
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,119
I became a Christian king, went to Rome and everything.

1289
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:56,119
I think Ryan knocked the shit out of him. So

1290
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,760
he never fought. He never he never rose up again

1291
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:04,079
after this. But anyway, yeah, yeah, So anyway, they they

1292
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,199
pitched in a certain way up and a kind of

1293
01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:08,599
a brow of a hit I think maybe slightly kind

1294
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:10,960
of a hill, not not not so much, just maybe

1295
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,320
a little bit of a rise on the land. So

1296
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,360
they they were pitching a certain way that they would

1297
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,840
let they let the lads come up a bit. So

1298
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,559
imagine the Talca is kind of stay to They're say,

1299
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:28,360
we're looking at them. Tarka rivers over on the right

1300
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,599
inside leading into Dublin Bay, so they would have been

1301
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:34,400
he would have been quite wide then, right, So the

1302
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,880
lads are coming up, so they're coming up. We're kind

1303
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,199
of letting them come up onto the show, come up

1304
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,400
a little bit further, come up up the Vikings with

1305
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,480
the coalition, with the other warriors.

1306
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Irish, the browest hilucky thing exactly exactly.

1307
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 4: They're waiting and they're letting them come up, so they're

1308
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,679
actually going back. The reason for that is because the

1309
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,000
tide is coming in behind them. So the ships were

1310
01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:04,719
docked right and they didn't realize it by the time

1311
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,519
they said, okay, we're kind of making a bit of

1312
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:09,519
ground here, like this is looking good. But then the

1313
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:11,400
minute they realized when they turned, when one of them

1314
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,760
turned around and realized the tide was in behind them,

1315
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,680
there was nowhere to go. They were literally trapped and

1316
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,479
they sat a PanicIn and that's when the onslaught happened.

1317
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,000
You know, this, this is the consensus. This is literally

1318
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,159
the consensus of how the battle went, like you know,

1319
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:31,399
and literally there was panic and they say that literally

1320
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,159
down to a dozen was slaughtered.

1321
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,239
Speaker 1: Wow, that river ran red with blood that day.

1322
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,079
Speaker 4: And you know, I tell you because it's a supernatural

1323
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:45,640
supernatural focused channel right and podcasts and radio station. There's

1324
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,399
one creepy story and I got it from Morgan new

1325
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,239
Wellen's great book on the Battle of Clontarfe, but it's

1326
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:55,920
based in urban legend around Dublin. There's a certain bridge.

1327
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,239
I'm pretty sure it's the second Bridge. I can't remember

1328
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:01,319
exactly the name of. It's not the Anley Bridge. It's

1329
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,560
one of the bridge smaller bridges over the Tulka and

1330
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,600
they reckon. There's a huge amount of suicides that have happened.

1331
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:08,560
I hate saying.

1332
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,399
Speaker 1: Things like this because of cross Guns Bridge.

1333
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,359
Speaker 4: Now it could be a little petro station right on it. Yes,

1334
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,720
it's going into a tough enough area there, Okay, Yeah,

1335
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,600
I'll find out for you afterwards. And it's kind of

1336
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:25,640
I'm not a hundred it's one of these bridges. I'm

1337
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,640
pretty sure it's this one though, because I have studied

1338
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,000
the area and they said that the ambulance drivers have

1339
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:34,279
been noted to say like or that there's been some

1340
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,000
sort of investigation because there's a lot of suicides in

1341
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:42,600
one particular spot. This may have been before when they

1342
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,760
when you know the way, everything's a little bit different

1343
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,079
in terms of the tobocraphy and the way the river

1344
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:48,960
can be a little bit lower now a little bit

1345
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,680
higher because I think they did a bit of work

1346
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:51,800
on the river's bank.

1347
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: Do you know Bertie as well. It's just come to

1348
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,079
my mind. I think there was I think there was

1349
01:09:57,119 --> 01:10:00,760
a suitcase body there a few years ago. At in

1350
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:01,399
that facility.

1351
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 4: There's a lot of dark stuff and she she mentioned this,

1352
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,680
and she's the reason why she mentioned this is because

1353
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:14,119
it's likely the ford was around there, that's where they

1354
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,640
used to cross, So probably a load of them were

1355
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,479
basically fighting for their life to get a cross like

1356
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,720
and the Gael didn't have any mercy whatsoever. But the

1357
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,840
sad part of the whole thing is that murrall At,

1358
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,920
the commander in chief, was actually killed and also his

1359
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:34,079
grandson was apparently found in the river as well, so

1360
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:36,840
a lot of Gae died as well. So if you

1361
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,920
think about it right, I don't know if you've ever

1362
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,159
sensed this, but there are certain parts I get this

1363
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:45,119
Inrally a lot and Dublin. There's certain areas. You can't

1364
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:47,720
just describe what it is, but there's darkness attached to

1365
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,760
certain places and that place definitely has something to it.

1366
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:52,840
Like I know.

1367
01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: I would totally agree, there are areas and there are

1368
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,319
areas in Dublin's well that they've never lost that kind

1369
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:05,399
of medieval feel of them as well, you know, any

1370
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,720
you know any time around Thomas Street or yeah, I

1371
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,119
worked as I did hospital radio in James's Saint James's

1372
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:16,960
Hospital which is in that area, which is near the

1373
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,199
old wall of Dublin as well. And yet you know

1374
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:23,760
you feel the cockles and muscles alive life. Oh and

1375
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,079
whatever else went on when when you're in that neck

1376
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:26,920
of the words.

1377
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 4: You know absolutely the old, the old, the old Dublin

1378
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:35,000
like word Dublin, yeah, and all these It's unbelievable. It's

1379
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,319
a very very unique city. I do love it, like

1380
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:39,640
I think it's kind of it's we have a lot

1381
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,800
of problems at the moment here obviously, but I do

1382
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,039
love Dublin. It's that kind of great history and it's

1383
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:47,880
it's a shame it for certain things. But anyway, but look,

1384
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,560
you know, it's it's it's definitely true. I would imagine

1385
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,760
there are certain areas of Dublin City that are very

1386
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,159
haunted and lots of old ghouls and goblins going around

1387
01:11:56,199 --> 01:11:57,199
the place, for sure, you know.

1388
01:11:57,319 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: So very quickly then, so we had the Irish essentially

1389
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,720
had the you know, they had the higher ground. These

1390
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,319
guys were, you know, they were up for the fighter.

1391
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:09,199
They were getting up the hill. They were probably making

1392
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:11,520
some progress initially, and then somebody looked behind them and went,

1393
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,920
oh here that you know, we've burnt our boats quite

1394
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,079
you know, the tides come in so there was this

1395
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,279
almighty panic is always a big thing as well. You know,

1396
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,800
when people lose their nerve, that's when it all goes

1397
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,359
to pot. And so they got they essentially got slaughtered.

1398
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:28,720
How many people died on the day do you think.

1399
01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:32,319
Speaker 4: Said, there's definitely thousands.

1400
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:33,239
Speaker 1: Turmoil.

1401
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the biggest, the biggest battle up until

1402
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,920
that point. You know. And the other thing is as well,

1403
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,880
the reason why we can we can safely say that

1404
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:44,800
Brian had the upper hand and was a great practician

1405
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is because it's one hundred percent that he was camping

1406
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:51,760
out in these areas for months at a time. He

1407
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,760
actually only just camped out basically trying to starve Dublin

1408
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:01,279
out the winter before because they Cric was rising against

1409
01:13:01,359 --> 01:13:03,439
him and this was the whole thing. But he last

1410
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,279
Ctric lasted a fight, an actual battle happened in the

1411
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:10,039
spring after So Brian, you imagine, imagine in those days,

1412
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,920
what what would the king do? What would these guys do.

1413
01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:15,560
They would be around in the landscape, they would know

1414
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,880
exactly how things were, of course anything there was no internet.

1415
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well these you know, the Vikings might have been

1416
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,800
armed to the teeth, but any battlefield commander will tell

1417
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,800
you that the terrain can also be used to great

1418
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,920
effect and will probably win the day if you you know,

1419
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,399
get the upper ground or you know the land, you

1420
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,239
know the back lanes, you know that, as you say,

1421
01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:43,439
the lie of the land. And obviously if Brian brew

1422
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,199
was out there, you know, of the land and camping

1423
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:49,600
here and there, as you say, he would have used

1424
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:50,600
that to his advantage.

1425
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,319
Speaker 4: Of course, and he grew up on a river as well,

1426
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:55,159
you see, so until Alu, he grew up on the

1427
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:57,560
River Shannon, the mouth of the lock Derg you know,

1428
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,279
so they grew up around this whole maraudering aspect because

1429
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:04,600
they were the River Shannon was like the highway of Ireland.

1430
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,600
So it was literally just the stones troll from Limus

1431
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:11,840
Limericks on a boat like you'd be there in you know,

1432
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,920
maybe an hour, like you know, not even less like

1433
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:15,600
probably the.

1434
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: Bottom line anyway was and that was the end of

1435
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,920
the Vikings as a military force.

1436
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:22,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it was, yeah.

1437
01:14:22,199 --> 01:14:25,119
Speaker 1: Well I know, and they integrated that.

1438
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. There were certain guys that no, no, there are

1439
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,840
certain people that argue that it wasn't the last invasion.

1440
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,159
I do believe it was the last invasion because Magnet

1441
01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:41,319
fair for people say there was no other time after

1442
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:45,039
this where thousands of Vikings from different parts of the

1443
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:48,319
Scandinavian world came into Ireland, like by Magnus bear Force

1444
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,159
is compared, It's just not the same because Magnus Bearfoot

1445
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:54,199
came around eleven the eleven eleven o one or something

1446
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:56,359
like that. But he took over Dublin for a year

1447
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,039
and he had some skirmishes and things like that. I

1448
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:01,159
just I just don't think can be compared at all,

1449
01:15:01,279 --> 01:15:03,880
like you know, but no, this was the last. So

1450
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:08,079
this was the consensus is that the Viking power. It

1451
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:10,800
was literally they kind of accepted their faith and it

1452
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,760
was just the Irelands was unconquerable. And and yeah, that

1453
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:16,640
was the last.

1454
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,199
Speaker 1: Last of the Well look, you know, it's a cliche

1455
01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:22,119
to say it's been fascinating talking to you, but it

1456
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:26,680
has been, but even more fascin to get. I want

1457
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:31,399
to know, tell me the the Forgotten prints your book?

1458
01:15:32,279 --> 01:15:34,560
What's it about for those who is a kind of

1459
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,239
Game of Thrones thing? What? What what are we talking here?

1460
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,159
Speaker 4: Well, we just we literally just talked about the Battle

1461
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:44,199
of Plantaft. So as I said before, it's it's adapted

1462
01:15:44,319 --> 01:15:47,079
from the short screenplay. The short screenplay was going to

1463
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:50,119
be about Brian in his tent waiting the phase of

1464
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:52,239
Ireland waiting the face of his son's waiting, the phase

1465
01:15:52,279 --> 01:15:55,279
of the fantast but then I expanded that story out

1466
01:15:55,399 --> 01:15:59,479
because you can in in in in novel form. So

1467
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,079
the story goes is that they leading into the Battle

1468
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:06,560
of Plantaft, during the Battle of Clantaft, and after Clantaft,

1469
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,880
So it is about Dunaka, his first son, who didn't

1470
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,640
fight and because he was given different jobs to do,

1471
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,800
about Brian in the you know, the commander and the king,

1472
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:22,760
and then Brodier that's invading Ireland through the mercenaries. So

1473
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,439
it's their three stories intertwining, but really donek is the protagonist,

1474
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,760
the first son, so it really is a story of

1475
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,399
the Battle of Clontarft, going into it, during and after,

1476
01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:37,279
and it's it's it's got lots of supernatural elements as well,

1477
01:16:37,319 --> 01:16:40,640
because in the animals of Ireland there was recorded fightings

1478
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,319
and banshees on both sides, So in the Scandinavian Nile

1479
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,720
sagas there was a record, there was very much this

1480
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,079
stuff was very real for them. Night you know, and

1481
01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:53,840
so yeah, I have that stuff intertwined in it, and

1482
01:16:54,079 --> 01:16:56,199
you know, it's just it's just it's getting a lot

1483
01:16:56,199 --> 01:16:58,720
of good reviews. You had your artwork in it, you

1484
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,880
have your script at the back, you have your commission

1485
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,600
map in the beginning, so you know what you know

1486
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,960
the lay of the land as well, you know what's

1487
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,479
going on. So yeah, I would definitely recommend it to

1488
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,800
anybody who's interested. And it also supports me and my

1489
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,359
mission and preserving Irish history, mythology and folklore. I have

1490
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,520
a trilogy planned, so this is I'm not spoiling anything

1491
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,479
because we literally just not ending is the Battle of Cantatare,

1492
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,560
so you know it will continue on with doing a

1493
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,119
good story.

1494
01:17:24,279 --> 01:17:29,239
Speaker 1: It's pretty Prosnant's book, the Forgotten Prints, and you can

1495
01:17:29,399 --> 01:17:31,119
find I mean, als you've got to do is google

1496
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:33,199
you and then you pop up. You've got some hell

1497
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:35,439
of a following on Instagram, I see, and probably the

1498
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,159
same i'd imagine on on YouTube or TikTok if you

1499
01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:40,319
if you, if you do such a.

1500
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 4: Thing, going well, so going well, yeah, and.

1501
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,199
Speaker 1: Bertie Prosnant, listen, I'm at a time here, but thank

1502
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,680
you very much for taking the time to visit Scary

1503
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,920
Era and thank you very much.

1504
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 4: Take care, absolute pleasure. Thank you so much, going mere.

1505
01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:03,079
Speaker 1: Margaret Augustlan detain, Mark Manning, what an absolute a gentleman

1506
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,479
and scholar and author as well. Don't forget that book

1507
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:12,279
The Forgotten Prince. Go google Bertie Bronson. Thank you very much. Okay,

1508
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:18,800
it's time for me to GIRDLD. No, you do GIRDLD,

1509
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but take a hike. Actually, I better take a hike now.

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Remember if you want to get in touch with the show,

1511
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:28,800
Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com. That's Paranormal Ireland at

1512
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,600
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1513
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:36,039
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