Speaker 1: There are beings from portals coming in and out.
Speaker 2: You know, if I heard that in a movie theater
holding a bucket of popcorn, I'd be thrilled. I'd be
ready for the aliens.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: But seeing it in a report, a report about a
facility that actually exists, that hits different, it really does.
Speaker 1: It stops being entertainment and starts being well kind of
an existential crisis because that quote isn't from a sci
fi script. That is a claim attributed to a cern insider.
And they aren't talking about microscopic particles, they aren't talking
about dust. They're talking about entities, beings coming through a
door that we humanity might have just unlocked without checking
who was knocking.
Speaker 2: And that's the terrifying part, isn't it. The idea that
we've built a doorbell for the universe rang it, and
now we're just standing on porch waiting to see what
opens the door.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Thrilling Threads. I'm your host, and today
we are pulling at a loose thread that might just
unravel the entire fabric of reality, or at the very
least it might explain and why I can never find
my keys.
Speaker 2: I'm here to help navigate the madness. And today the
map is definitely leading us into some strange, strange territory.
Speaker 1: We are heading to the border of France and Switzerland.
We are going five hundred and seventy four feet underground.
We are talking about the Large Hadron Collider, better known
as CERN right now. Usually when you hear about CERN
on the news, it's all very sanitized. It's all Nobel Prizes,
the Higgs Boson, polite applause and you know, very serious
people in white lab coats looking at shirts.
Speaker 2: Right. It is the cathedral of science. It's the most
complex machine humans have ever built. It's a triumph of engineering,
it is.
Speaker 1: But if you dig a little deeper, and that's exactly
what we did with the stack of sources we have today,
you find a different story, a very different story. We
aren't just looking at the press releases. We're looking at
reports from investigative journalist Miriam Hennan. We've got deep dive
research from filmmaker Frank Jacob Yep. We have the absolutely
haunting case of a physicist who may or may not
have existed, Edward Mantil. And because we want to be fair,
we have the official operational documents and the Q and
A from CERN itself.
Speaker 2: And when you put all those together, you don't just
get a picture of a science experiment. You get a
picture of the collision point between hard science and high
strangeness exactly.
Speaker 1: We're talking timeline shifts, we're talking the Mandela effect. We're
talking about opening portals to the eleventh dimension.
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like a movie trailer.
Speaker 1: It does. The mission for today is to figure out
are we just smashing particles to learn about the Big
Bang or are we poking a hole in a dam
that holds back well, everything else.
Speaker 2: That is the multi billion dollar question, and frankly, the
answer really depends on who you ask.
Speaker 1: So let's unpack this before we get into the interdimensional
demons and the fact that fruit of the loom apparently
never had a cornucopia, which we will get to.
Speaker 2: I am not ready for that.
Speaker 1: I know, right, But we need to understand the machine itself,
the beast.
Speaker 2: And the beast is a fitting name. The Large Edrin
Collider or LHC isn't just a lab. It's a seventeen
mile circular tunnel.
Speaker 1: Seventeen miles. Let's just puzz on that for a second.
That's longer than Manhattan.
Speaker 2: You'd have to drive that, you would. And it's buried
five hundred and seventy four feet underground.
Speaker 1: Which is deeper than the Washington Monument is tall. So
you have this massive ring buried under the French and
Swiss countryside in total darkness.
Speaker 2: And inside that ring it's one of the most extreme
environments in the universe. How so, well, the tubes where
the particles travel are kept in a vacuum that's emptier
than the space between the Earth and the Moon.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And the magnets that steer the particles, they're cooled down
to one point nine kelvin.
Speaker 1: One point nine kelvin. I don't even what does that
mean in normal people terms.
Speaker 2: It means it's colder than deep space. It's one of
the coldest places in the known universe.
Speaker 1: So you have a ring of ice and nothingness, and
inside it we are recreating the heat of the Big Bang.
Speaker 2: It is coetic and terrifying.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The reason this is all blowing up again pun intended
is the upgrade. The machine was asleep for a while.
Speaker 2: It was it went into a three year hibernation called
long shut down. Two they were upgrading the magnets, the detectors,
making everything more powerful. But in April twenty twenty two
they woke it.
Speaker 1: Up and on July fifth of that year they started
Run three. And this wasn't just turning the lights back on.
They cranked the volume up to eleven.
Speaker 2: They really did. They are now running this machine two
hundred and forty seven and they are smashing protons together
at a record energy of thirteen point six trillion electron volts.
Speaker 1: Thirteen point six trillion. I see that number in my
brain just goes to static. How do we even visualize
that kind of power on a subatomic level?
Speaker 2: Okay, think of it this way. You take two beams
of protons, the tiny, tiny hearts of atoms. You spin
them in opposite directions around the seventeen mile track until
they are moving at ninety nine point nine nine nine
nine nine nine nine percent the.
Speaker 1: Speed of light, so just shy of the absolute universal
speed limit, just.
Speaker 2: Barely, and then you steer them into each other. You
had to hit these two things smaller than anything we
can imagine head on.
Speaker 1: It's a demolition derby, it is.
Speaker 2: But the scale is what matters. Imagine smashing two mosquitos together,
but you're smashing them so hard that the energy of
the collision could power a small city for a split second.
Speaker 1: And the whole goal is just to see the debris exactly.
Speaker 2: When you smash them that hard, they don't just break,
They shatter into their fundamental building blocks, stuff we don't
see in nature anymore. Scientists are sifting through that wreckage
looking for dark matter, dark energy, and the secrets of
how the universe began.
Speaker 1: It's like smashing two Swiss watches together to figure out
what time is.
Speaker 2: That's a great analogy. You aren't looking for gears, You're
looking for the concept of ticking.
Speaker 1: But doing this isn't cheap. I mean, we're talking about
a massive international project.
Speaker 2: No, it is not cheap. The price tag is sitting
around nine point two billion dollars so far.
Speaker 1: That is a lot of money to play god with particles.
But almost immediately after they started run through, the weirdness
began scientifically.
Speaker 2: Yes, they found three new exotic particles right out of
the gate, which is, you know, huge news in the
physics community. But the thing that really flagged the attention
of our sources, specifically Miriam Hennon's investigation is the antimatter.
Speaker 1: This is the beauty quark study.
Speaker 2: Right, the LHCb experiment. They are studying this thing called
a beauty quark. And the reason is that, according to
the Standard Model of physics, the rulebook for the universe,
matter and antimatter should be equal.
Speaker 1: Okay, give us the refresher. Antimatter is the evil twin.
Speaker 2: In a way, every particle of matter has an opposite.
An electron has a positron, a proton has an antiproton.
And here's the catch. If they touch, they annihilate, annihilate,
poof gone one hundred percent conversion to pure energy.
Speaker 1: So if I shook hands with my antimatter twin, you'd.
Speaker 2: Both explode to the force of a nuclear bomb.
Speaker 1: Good to know. Avoid the antimatter.
Speaker 2: Twin ideally, But the problem is the Big Bang should
have created equal amounts of both. Okay, so logically they
should have all canceled each other out instantly. The universe
should have been a flash of light and then silence. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are here.
Speaker 2: We are The chair I'm sitting in is reel. You
are real. We are made of matter. The antimatter is missing,
so we are a mistake.
Speaker 1: We are a cosmic typo.
Speaker 2: Exactly, our existence violates the rules, and CERN is trying
to find out where the antimatter went. But here is
where the source material gets alarming. It mentions that in
twenty eighteen they figured out how to trap antimatter and not.
Speaker 1: Just trap it, move it like put it in a truck.
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, they transported it from one facility to another
in a special magnetic trap. But look at the note
in the source regarding the energy density.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw this. I circled this in red ink
about four times. The report says the amount of antimatter
they moved had an energy equivalent of twenty Hiroshima atomic bombs.
Speaker 2: That claim stops you in your tracks. Now, we have
to be careful here. That doesn't mean they had a
bomb in the size of a truck. Antimatter is incredibly
dense energy. That amount of destructive power would fit on
the head of a pin.
Speaker 1: That almost makes it worse. You're telling me they are
moving a pin head. That if the magnetic field fails,
if someone trips over a cord, if there is a
power outage, it wipes out a city, It.
Speaker 2: Creates a creator. Yes, the containment is the only things
stopping that annihilation, and they are doing this to test gravity.
They want to know does antimatter fall down or does
it fall up? Well? Does it? It seems to The
recent results show it reacts to gravity just like normal matter.
But the fact that we are manipulating force is capable
of that level of destruction and playing with the fundamental
building blocks of reality is what sets the stage for
the anxiety.
Speaker 1: And that anxiety isn't just about explosions. It's about the
feeling that something is wrong. The vibe shift exactly. This
is where we move away from the hardware and into
the wetwear our brains. The source material talks about a
collective feeling that time is broken.
Speaker 2: You hear this everywhere now, people saying, wait, it's February already,
or why does twenty nineteen feel like it was twenty
years ago? Twenty twenty one feels like yesterday.
Speaker 1: I feel that constantly. I sit down to work, I
blink and six hours are gone. And it's not just
time flies when you're having fun. It feels compressed, distorted.
Speaker 2: There are psychological reasons for that, for sure, Dopamine loops, stress,
the way we process trauma. But the theory here is
that cern isn't just watching particles. The accusation is that
by smashing these particles at such high energies, they're actually
shifting timelines.
Speaker 1: And the evidence for this, the thing everyone points to,
is the Mandela effect.
Speaker 2: Right and for anyone who has managed to avoid this
rabbit hole, the Mandela effect is when a large group
of people share a vivid memory of something that historical
records say never happened.
Speaker 1: Like Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Exactly millions of people remember news clips, a funeral, a
speech by his widow. But in this reality he lived,
became president, and died in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: But the sources bring up the ones that really mess
with me. The fruit of the loom logo.
Speaker 2: The cornucopia, the basket.
Speaker 1: Okay, look me in. Was there a cornicopia behind the fruit?
A horn of plenty?
Speaker 2: In my memory? Absolutely, I can see the brown woven basket.
I can see the way the grape spilled out of it.
I learned the word cornicopia from my underwear.
Speaker 1: Thank you me too. It's so vivid in my head.
But if you go to the store right now, if
you check the trademark history going back to the beginning
of the company.
Speaker 2: It's never been there. It has always just been a
pile of fruit.
Speaker 1: That makes me want to scream. It's such a specific,
weird detail. Yeah, a brown woven basket. Why would we
all hallucinate a basket?
Speaker 2: That's the question. And then there's Pikachu the tail. Do
they have a black tip?
Speaker 1: Yes, yellowtail, black zigzag at the end. That's how I
draw it right now from memory.
Speaker 2: Nope, solid yellow never had a black tip. Or the
Disney intro before the movies. Does tinker Bell fly out
and dot the eye in Disney with her Wand.
Speaker 1: She absolutely does, I can hear the little sound effect thing.
Speaker 2: Apparently not in this timeline. She flies around the castle,
but she never dots the eye.
Speaker 1: Okay, see now I'm sweating because these aren't just oh
I forgot where to put my keys. These are shared
collective memories, and the theory is that these are residue.
Speaker 2: Residue of a previous timeline. The idea is that every
time Cern fires up the LHC, specifically at these record
breaking energies, we are nudged shoved onto a slightly different track.
Speaker 1: Of reality, like a needle skipping on a record exactly.
Speaker 2: The song is mostly the same, but a few notes
are different. History is rewritten in small trivial ways, a logo,
a movie line, but our memories. The data is stored
in our organic hard drives sometimes retains the old file.
Speaker 1: And that's why we feel that disconnect. That's why I
feel like I'm going crazy when I look at the
fruit of the Loom logo.
Speaker 2: It's the cognitive dissonance of knowing two conflicting truths at once.
And there's a specific claim in the sources from a
guy named Dan Burish regarding this right. Dan Burrish is well,
he's a controversial figure in euphology circles to say the least,
but his claim fits this narrative perfectly. He says that
there are beings coming from four twenty five thousand years
in the.
Speaker 1: Future future humans, yes.
Speaker 2: But not our future, a future on a separate timeline.
He suggests these entities are traveling back through these portals
or utilizing the instability caused by cern to interact with us.
Speaker 1: So we have future humans hopping timelines because we brooke
time in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Or because we are about to break it. It connects
to the idea that the LHC is a beacon, a
signal flare across dimensions saying hey, we're ready to play
with the big kids now.
Speaker 1: Which brings us to the deleted files. This is where
the story turns into a detective thriller. We have an
investigative journalist named Miriam Hennan.
Speaker 2: Miriam Hennen. She wrote an article titled Concerned Erupts over Portals,
Particles and the Large Hadron Collider. It's very sensational headline,
sure it is. But the intrigue isn't just the title.
It's the fact that, according to Frank Jacob, the filmmaker
who researched this, the article.
Speaker 1: Was scrubbed, deleted, gone.
Speaker 2: He couldn't find it on the live web. He had
to dig into the web archives the wayback machine to
find a.
Speaker 1: Copy of it, which, of course is like catnip to
conspiracy theorists. If you deleted it must be true.
Speaker 2: It's the straysand effect. If you try to hide it,
everyone will look for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But when he found it, he says he was shook
by what was in there. Because the article starts with
the hard science. We just discussed the quarks, the antimatter.
Speaker 1: All the normal stuff, and then it pivots a hard
left turn into the twilight zone.
Speaker 2: It moves into what she calls interdimensional communication. There is
a quote here that really stands out what is it. Unfortunately,
the public is not fully aware of the full potential
of CERN as it relates to interdimensional communication.
Speaker 1: Not just testing for dimensions communicating across them like a telephone.
Speaker 2: Correct. And then the article starts analyzing the symbolism around CERN,
and honestly, this is where CERN's pure department really needs
to have a meeting, because the optics are strange.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the logo.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you look at the CERN logo, it's these interlocks, circles,
and lines representing particle accelerators. It makes sense geometrically, but
if you are looking for it, and once you see it,
you can't unsee it. You can see the shape of
three sixes sixty six.
Speaker 1: Six, the number of the beast for a machine called
the beast. It's a little on the nose.
Speaker 2: It's a little on the nose. Now, a graphic designer
will tell you it's just a schematic. But then you
walk outside the facility and there's.
Speaker 1: A statue, the Shiva statue.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a gift from the Indian government. It
depicts Shiva, the Hindu deity, but specifically it is Shiva Natraja,
the lord of the dance.
Speaker 1: And what kind of dance is he doing. It's not
a waltz.
Speaker 2: It's the cosmic dance of destruction and creation. He stomps
on the demon of ignorance, destroys the universe with fire,
so it can be remade.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I get the metaphor smashing particles, destroying
them to find the building blocks of creation. It's poetic.
It's actually quite beautiful.
Speaker 2: It is poetic. But if you are already worried that
this machine is going to destroy the world, having a
statue of the destroyer in the lobby is a bold choice. Yeah,
it sends a message.
Speaker 1: It's not subtle. And then there was the tunnel ceremony,
the Gothard based tunnel.
Speaker 2: This happened in twenty sixteen. Now we have to clarify
the Gothard Based Tunnel is a rail tunnel. It's nearby,
and the funding and countries involved overlap with cern but
it's not part of the collider.
Speaker 1: Right, But in the conspiracy lore. They are inextricably.
Speaker 2: Linked because of the ceremony.
Speaker 1: The opening ceremony was avant garde, is putting it lightly.
Speaker 2: The source calls it weird and ritualistic. I've seen clips
of this. It looks like a.
Speaker 1: Fever dream, it really does. You have dancers in construction
gear stripping down, you have people grappling with each other,
and then you have the figures in goat.
Speaker 2: Masks, the Baphomet imagery.
Speaker 1: Yes, a man dressed as a goat screaming while people
bow down. You have simulated workers appearing to die or
be possessed.
Speaker 2: It was described as a tribute to the myths of
the Alps, but to the observer looking for a conspiracy,
it looked like a Satanic mass.
Speaker 1: And the question that keeps coming up is why why
does a massive engineering project need a goat man ritual?
If you're opening a bridge, you cut a ribbon, you
don't summon a demon.
Speaker 2: It blurs the line between science and religion, or science
and magic. It makes people wonder if the people running
these machines believe in something else.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have the symbols, we have the vibe shift,
but let's get back to the physics for a second,
because there is a quote from a CERN director that is, well,
it's the smoking gun for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Section four. The door. This is the quote from Sergio Bertolicci.
He was the director for Research and Scientific Computing its CERN.
This isn't a random janitor. This is the guy running
the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what exactly did he say?
Speaker 2: He said, referring to the LHC, out of this door
might come something, or we might send something through it.
Speaker 1: Out of this door might come something.
Speaker 2: He elaborated that the LHC is a door that might
open for an infinitesimally small amount of time ten to
the power of negative twenty six seconds.
Speaker 1: That is zero point zero zero zero zero with twenty
six zeros. That's a sliver of a sliver of a
ghost of a second, it is.
Speaker 2: But his point was that in that fraction of a moment,
we could peer into an extra dimension. But the phrasing
something might come out is incredibly ominous.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's talking about a creature or a probe,
not data, not particles, something.
Speaker 2: It's a very loaded word. And Frank Jacob, the researcher,
takes us and connects it to project looking glass.
Speaker 1: What is that.
Speaker 2: It's a theoretical technology often discussed in conspiracy circles, the
ability to see into the future or manipulate timelines. Jacob
claims they aren't just looking for extra dimensions in a
passive way. He believes they are trying to penetrate the
eleventh dimension.
Speaker 1: Why the eleventh, Why not the fifth or the sixth?
Speaker 2: It comes down to string theory, specifically m theory. The
math suggests that for the universe to work, there must
be eleven dimensions. Okay, we live in three spatial dimensions
plus time. That's four, so there are seven others curled
up tightly around us invisible make believes the goal is
to punch through to that highest level to see the.
Speaker 1: Whole picture, and to do that you need a lot of.
Speaker 2: Energy, huge amounts, and this brings us to the gravity's
rainbow theory. This was proposed by a scientist named Mir Faisal.
He predicted that black holes could form its specific energy levels.
Speaker 1: What were the levels?
Speaker 2: He calculated that if the universe has extra dimensions, we
should see many black holes forming at energy levels between
nine point five and eleven point nine TV.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, we're running at thirteen point six TV
right now exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are currently operating above the threshold here predicted.
Speaker 1: So where are the black holes? Are we in one?
Speaker 2: Well, if his theory is right, we might be making them,
but they would be microscopic quantum black holes.
Speaker 1: The source mentions a researcher named Sophia Kay. She tries
to calm everyone down right.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's the sister of the physicist, and she writes
specifically to debunk the fear mongering. She argues the black
hole to health theory is impossible according to standard gravity.
She says, any competent physics knows you can't make a
dangerous black hole this way.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes me feel a little better.
Speaker 2: But there's some But isn't there there is?
Speaker 1: She admits that CERN officially acknowledges the possibility of tiny
quantum black holes. They say if they did appear, they
would decay instantly. They would evaporate via something called Hawking
radiation before they could swallow anything.
Speaker 2: But that leads to the question. The host in our
source material asks, if a black hole decays, the energy
has to go somewhere exactly.
Speaker 1: Energy cannot be created or destroyed it just changes form.
Where does that energy go?
Speaker 2: So Fhiaka points out that CERN's magnetic fields are one
hundred thousand times stronger than Earth's magnetic field. We are
creating magnetic anomalies and energy densities that don't exist anywhere
else in our solar system.
Speaker 1: So we are poking a hole in reality, even a
tiny one.
Speaker 2: And if we do that, do we really know what happens?
Or are we as the page in a book analogy
suggests bleeding ink onto the next page.
Speaker 1: That analogy page in a book that comes from the
Edward Mantel story, And honest, this is the part of
the stack that kept me up last night.
Speaker 2: It is this moves us from theoretical physics into what
feels like a horror movie. But it is presented in
the source material as a report on a CERN physicist.
Speaker 1: Doctor Edward Mantel.
Speaker 2: The story goes that on July thirteenth, twenty sixteen, doctor
Mantel was found dead in his office at Cerne. It
was ruled a suicide, but.
Speaker 1: The circumstances were bizarre.
Speaker 2: Bizarre is an understatement. He'd been researching a hidden code
in neutrino movement. Neutrinos are ghost particles. They passed through everything,
including us, by the trillions every second. He was studying
how they traveled between the Earth's magnetic polls.
Speaker 1: And apparently he hadn't slept in days. He was madic obsessed, He.
Speaker 2: Was unraveling, and when they found him, the office was
wiped clean.
Speaker 1: This is the detail that gets me, Not just he
deleted his.
Speaker 2: Email, no papers burned in a trash can, computer hard
drive wiped to military standards. It was like he was
trying to erase his entire intellectual existence. But there's one.
Speaker 1: Text file left, the single survivor, a.
Speaker 2: Text fall containing an analogy the page in a book.
Speaker 1: I have it here. I want to read this because
the way he describes it, it feels intuitive, It feels
like something we shouldn't know.
Speaker 2: Go for it.
Speaker 1: He wrote, Our universe is but one page and a
large book. Think of a closed book sitting on a table.
Our universe is but one page, and our page is
certainly not the only one. Every page in the book
represents a different dimension. No page was to interact with
the other, just as no ink bleeds from one page
to another in a standaled book. Each page is a
universe unto itself.
Speaker 2: It's a haunting image, the idea that dimensions aren't far away,
they're stacked right on top of us, separated by well,
nothing but the paper.
Speaker 1: And his fear was that cern is the pen that
is pressing too hard.
Speaker 2: Piercing the page and letting the ink bleed.
Speaker 1: Ink bleeding. That is such a visceral way to describe it.
If you pierce the page, you don't just damage your
own page, you damage the one below it, and you
let whatever is on that page bleed up into yours.
Speaker 2: And vice versa. We bleed into them, they bleed into us.
Speaker 1: That explains the beings from the intro. It explains the
Mandela effect. It ties it all together. If the ink bleeds,
the logo changes. If the ink bleeds, tinker Bell disappears,
it does.
Speaker 2: It's a perfect narrative framework. It makes all the random
glitches feel like symptoms of a single disease. But we
have to be the adults in the room for a second.
Speaker 1: I know the reality check.
Speaker 2: The source explicitly notes that the investigative journalist and many
others who have looked into this could not find a
record of an Edward Mantil ever existing, No PhD no
university records, no published papers under that name, no employment
history at CERNE, nothing. He seems to be a ghost.
Speaker 1: So it's a fake, a ghost story invented on a
forum somewhere.
Speaker 2: That is the most logical conclusion. It's likely a piece
of creepy pasta Internet fiction that got aggregated into these
conspiracy theories because it fits so well.
Speaker 1: Or or, as the source suggests, who created the World
Wide Web CERN?
Speaker 2: Did Tim Berners Lee at CERN and nineteen eighty nine?
Speaker 1: Exactly? They literally built the Internet. If there is one
organization on Earth, one group of people who could completely
scrub a person from digital existence, who could make it
look like you never were born, it is the people
who wrote the code for the web itself.
Speaker 2: It's the ultimate the call is coming from inside the
house scenario. You can't find them on Google because we
own Google's grandfather.
Speaker 1: Exactly. I can't prove that, but narratively it is terrifying.
Speaker 2: It creates a closed loop where lack of evidence becomes
evidence of a cover up.
Speaker 1: It's brilliant, really, And what's even scarier is that if
they did do something like that, or if they did
accidentally create a black hole, who is going to stop them.
Speaker 2: That brings us to the legal vacuum. This is something
most people don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shocked by this. In two thousand and eight,
there was a lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Yes, a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Hawaii
actually and others in Europe trying to stop the LAEDC
from turning on Ye. They argued exactly what we've been discussing,
that it could create black holes and swallow the earth.
Speaker 1: And the court said dismissed. Why because the science was safe.
Speaker 2: No, that's the crazy part. It wasn't dismissed on scientific merit.
The judge didn't look at the physics and say you're wrong.
It was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds.
Speaker 1: What does that even mean.
Speaker 2: It means the court ruled it had no authority over.
Speaker 1: CERNE because it's in Switzerland.
Speaker 2: Because CERN has international treaty status, it operates almost like
the UN or the Vatican. It is its own entity.
It has limited jurisdiction. No single country, not Switzerland, not France,
certainly not the US can simply walk in and tell
them to turn off the machine.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me we have a machine that proponents
say unlocks the secrets of the universe, and opponents say
could end the world. And it is effectively above the law.
Speaker 2: It relies on collective governance by its member states. But yes,
practically speaking, there is no police force that can raid CERN.
If they decided to run an experiment that was highly risky,
who stops them?
Speaker 1: That is deeply unsettling. It it's like a bond villain layer.
But it's funded by our taxes. And looking ahead, the
timeline is only accelerating.
Speaker 2: Right as we mentioned, the current run Run three ends
in twenty twenty six, then another shutdown for more upgrades,
and then the next big startup, the High Luminosity Run,
is scheduled for twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty nine. That's right around the corner.
Speaker 2: Frank Jacob points out that twenty twenty nine aligns very
closely with the agenda twenty thirty timelines we hear about
from the World Economic Forum. He believes the timetable is accelerating. Yeah,
they are rushing towards something before the decade is out.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have painted a very grim picture here, portals demons,
timeline erasures, and lawless scientists in a hole in the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to be.
Speaker 1: Fair, and because we want to be thorough, we have
to let Cern speak.
Speaker 2: Yes, Section seven the official rebuttal. Cern is not death.
They know these theories exist, They know people think they
are summoning Satan, and they actually have a Q and
a page dedicated to them.
Speaker 1: So let's run through their defense. First off, is it dangerous?
Speaker 2: Their answer no. Their main argument is the cosmic ray defense.
They say that cosmic rays, high energy particles from space,
bombard the Earth every.
Speaker 1: Day, and those are stronger than the LHC.
Speaker 2: Much stronger. Nature smashes particles together in our atmosphere with
way more energy than CERN can muster, and the Earth
is still here, the moon is still here. So they argue,
we are just doing what nature does, but in a
controlled environment.
Speaker 1: That's a solid argument. The sky's been punching us for
billions of years and we're fine.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a pretty strong point.
Speaker 1: What about the God particle? That name freaks people out.
It sounds theological. It sounds like they're trying to find
God or kill God or something.
Speaker 2: Cern hates that name. He hates it. Yes, it's a
marketing gimmick. It was coined by a publisher for a
book by the physicist Leon Letterman. He actually wanted to
call it the Goddamn particle because it was so hard
to find.
Speaker 1: Ah, I relate to that where am I goddamn keys exactly?
Speaker 2: But the publisher said, no, that's too profane. Call it
the God particle. It's old, millions of books, but it
gave the wrong impression. CERN clarifies the mission is purely scientific,
not theological. They aren't looking for God, they're looking for mass.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually funny. What about the ritual video. We
mentioned the tunnel ceremony, but there was another video of
people in cloaks at CERN, right, Yes, this leep.
Speaker 2: A few years ago. It was filmed from a window
looking down at the Shiva statue. You see figures in
black cloaks and they appear to stage a human sacrifice
of a woman.
Speaker 1: And CERN's response.
Speaker 2: They admitted the footage was real, but said it was
a prank. A prank. They said it was scientists and
staff letting off steam housing area humor, I think was
the phrase. They said. It was not condoned and people
were reprimanded.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's fake a human sacrifice in front of the
destroyer statue. While the Internet thinks we are opening hell
great sense of humor. Guys, read the room.
Speaker 2: It shows a staggering lack of awareness for sure. It's
like yelling fire and a crowded theater as a joke.
Speaker 1: What about the weather. People say the magnetic fields cause
storms like that weird spiral in Norway.
Speaker 2: Cern says no, the fields are contained within the magnets.
They drop off very quickly. They don't affect the Earth's
magnetosphere or weather. They claim no connection whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And finally, opening portals the big one.
Speaker 2: They explicitly deny opening doors to other dimensions. However, and
this is where the conspiracy theorists squint their eyes. Use
very specific language, lawyer speak, scientific speak. They say they
test theoretical models of extra dimensions. They don't rule out
that extra dimensions exist. They just say the machine isn't
a scargate, it's not a transportation device.
Speaker 1: It's just subtle distinction. We aren't building a door. We
are just banging on the wall to see if anyone
is on the other side.
Speaker 2: Pretty much. And if the wall breaks, nuh, well that's
a different problem.
Speaker 1: So where does that leave us? After all this?
Speaker 2: It leaves us in a place of high tension. On
one side, you have the pinnacle of human curiosity, to
drive to know everything, to understand the code of the universe.
That is a beautiful human thing. We are explorers. And
on the other side the primal fear, the fear that
we are children playing with matches in a library full
of books. We can't read the coincidences, the Mandela effects,
the ominous quotes, the sheer scale of the energy. They
create a pattern that is hard to ignore.
Speaker 1: It really is. Even if you trust the science, you
have to admit, thirteen point six trillion electron volts is
a lot of power to put in the hands of
people who think fake sacrifices are funny.
Speaker 2: And that leads to the what if, even if the
intent is pure science, even if they have the best
of intentions, are we playing with forces that we fundamentally
don't understand.
Speaker 1: I keep going back to that page in a book analogy.
Even if Edward Mantil never existed, the idea sticks with me.
It just it feels right somehow.
Speaker 2: It's the ultimate provocative thought. If we are just one
page and we keep poking at the paper with higher
and higher energy, Eventually you have to wonder, do we let.
Speaker 1: The light in, do we find the secrets of the
universe and become God?
Speaker 2: Or do we let the darkness out?
Speaker 1: That is the question, and that is where we are
going to leave you to wonder. We want to hear
from you. This is one of those topics where everyone
has a feeling. Do you feel like time is broken?
Speaker 2: Have you experienced a Mandela effect that you just can't shake?
The cornycopia, the Tinkerbell intro, Hm, I'm still sucking the
cornicopia Honestly, that one really gets me.
Speaker 1: Or do you think this is all just panic over protons?
Is this just the modern version of being scared of
electricity or the first steam trains?
Speaker 2: It's possible maybe we are just afraid of the dark,
or afraid of what we might find when we finally
turn on the light.
Speaker 1: Leave a comment let us know your stance. Are we
on the brink of discovery or the brink of disaster?
Speaker 2: We'll be reading them, assuming the timeline doesn't shift and
delete the comment section. Jinx it. Thanks for joining us
on thrilling threads.
Speaker 1: Keep pulling the strain, Just be careful what unravels