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Speaker 1: There are beings from portals coming in and out.

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Speaker 2: You know, if I heard that in a movie theater

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holding a bucket of popcorn, I'd be thrilled. I'd be

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ready for the aliens.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: But seeing it in a report, a report about a

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facility that actually exists, that hits different, it really does.

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Speaker 1: It stops being entertainment and starts being well kind of

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an existential crisis because that quote isn't from a sci

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fi script. That is a claim attributed to a cern insider.

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And they aren't talking about microscopic particles, they aren't talking

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about dust. They're talking about entities, beings coming through a

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door that we humanity might have just unlocked without checking

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who was knocking.

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Speaker 2: And that's the terrifying part, isn't it. The idea that

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we've built a doorbell for the universe rang it, and

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now we're just standing on porch waiting to see what

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opens the door.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Thrilling Threads. I'm your host, and today

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we are pulling at a loose thread that might just

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unravel the entire fabric of reality, or at the very

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least it might explain and why I can never find

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my keys.

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Speaker 2: I'm here to help navigate the madness. And today the

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map is definitely leading us into some strange, strange territory.

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Speaker 1: We are heading to the border of France and Switzerland.

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We are going five hundred and seventy four feet underground.

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We are talking about the Large Hadron Collider, better known

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as CERN right now. Usually when you hear about CERN

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on the news, it's all very sanitized. It's all Nobel Prizes,

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the Higgs Boson, polite applause and you know, very serious

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people in white lab coats looking at shirts.

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Speaker 2: Right. It is the cathedral of science. It's the most

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complex machine humans have ever built. It's a triumph of engineering,

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it is.

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Speaker 1: But if you dig a little deeper, and that's exactly

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what we did with the stack of sources we have today,

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you find a different story, a very different story. We

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aren't just looking at the press releases. We're looking at

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reports from investigative journalist Miriam Hennan. We've got deep dive

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research from filmmaker Frank Jacob Yep. We have the absolutely

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haunting case of a physicist who may or may not

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have existed, Edward Mantil. And because we want to be fair,

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we have the official operational documents and the Q and

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Speaker 2: And when you put all those together, you don't just

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get a picture of a science experiment. You get a

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picture of the collision point between hard science and high

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strangeness exactly.

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Speaker 1: We're talking timeline shifts, we're talking the Mandela effect. We're

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talking about opening portals to the eleventh dimension.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like a movie trailer.

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Speaker 1: It does. The mission for today is to figure out

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are we just smashing particles to learn about the Big

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Bang or are we poking a hole in a dam

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that holds back well, everything else.

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Speaker 2: That is the multi billion dollar question, and frankly, the

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answer really depends on who you ask.

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Speaker 1: So let's unpack this before we get into the interdimensional

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demons and the fact that fruit of the loom apparently

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never had a cornucopia, which we will get to.

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Speaker 2: I am not ready for that.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, But we need to understand the machine itself,

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the beast.

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Speaker 2: And the beast is a fitting name. The Large Edrin

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Collider or LHC isn't just a lab. It's a seventeen

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mile circular tunnel.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen miles. Let's just puzz on that for a second.

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That's longer than Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to drive that, you would. And it's buried

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five hundred and seventy four feet underground.

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Speaker 1: Which is deeper than the Washington Monument is tall. So

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you have this massive ring buried under the French and

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Swiss countryside in total darkness.

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Speaker 2: And inside that ring it's one of the most extreme

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environments in the universe. How so, well, the tubes where

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the particles travel are kept in a vacuum that's emptier

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than the space between the Earth and the Moon.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And the magnets that steer the particles, they're cooled down

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to one point nine kelvin.

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Speaker 1: One point nine kelvin. I don't even what does that

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mean in normal people terms.

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Speaker 2: It means it's colder than deep space. It's one of

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the coldest places in the known universe.

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Speaker 1: So you have a ring of ice and nothingness, and

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inside it we are recreating the heat of the Big Bang.

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Speaker 2: It is coetic and terrifying.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The reason this is all blowing up again pun intended

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is the upgrade. The machine was asleep for a while.

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Speaker 2: It was it went into a three year hibernation called

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long shut down. Two they were upgrading the magnets, the detectors,

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making everything more powerful. But in April twenty twenty two

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they woke it.

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Speaker 1: Up and on July fifth of that year they started

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Run three. And this wasn't just turning the lights back on.

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They cranked the volume up to eleven.

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Speaker 2: They really did. They are now running this machine two

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hundred and forty seven and they are smashing protons together

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at a record energy of thirteen point six trillion electron volts.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen point six trillion. I see that number in my

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brain just goes to static. How do we even visualize

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that kind of power on a subatomic level?

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Speaker 2: Okay, think of it this way. You take two beams

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of protons, the tiny, tiny hearts of atoms. You spin

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them in opposite directions around the seventeen mile track until

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they are moving at ninety nine point nine nine nine

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nine nine nine nine percent the.

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Speaker 1: Speed of light, so just shy of the absolute universal

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speed limit, just.

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Speaker 2: Barely, and then you steer them into each other. You

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had to hit these two things smaller than anything we

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can imagine head on.

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Speaker 1: It's a demolition derby, it is.

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Speaker 2: But the scale is what matters. Imagine smashing two mosquitos together,

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but you're smashing them so hard that the energy of

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the collision could power a small city for a split second.

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Speaker 1: And the whole goal is just to see the debris exactly.

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Speaker 2: When you smash them that hard, they don't just break,

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They shatter into their fundamental building blocks, stuff we don't

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see in nature anymore. Scientists are sifting through that wreckage

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looking for dark matter, dark energy, and the secrets of

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how the universe began.

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Speaker 1: It's like smashing two Swiss watches together to figure out

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what time is.

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Speaker 2: That's a great analogy. You aren't looking for gears, You're

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looking for the concept of ticking.

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Speaker 1: But doing this isn't cheap. I mean, we're talking about

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a massive international project.

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Speaker 2: No, it is not cheap. The price tag is sitting

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around nine point two billion dollars so far.

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Speaker 1: That is a lot of money to play god with particles.

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began scientifically.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they found three new exotic particles right out of

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the gate, which is, you know, huge news in the

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physics community. But the thing that really flagged the attention

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of our sources, specifically Miriam Hennon's investigation is the antimatter.

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Speaker 1: This is the beauty quark study.

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Speaker 2: Right, the LHCb experiment. They are studying this thing called

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a beauty quark. And the reason is that, according to

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the Standard Model of physics, the rulebook for the universe,

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matter and antimatter should be equal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, give us the refresher. Antimatter is the evil twin.

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Speaker 2: In a way, every particle of matter has an opposite.

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An electron has a positron, a proton has an antiproton.

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And here's the catch. If they touch, they annihilate, annihilate,

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poof gone one hundred percent conversion to pure energy.

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Speaker 1: So if I shook hands with my antimatter twin, you'd.

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Speaker 2: Both explode to the force of a nuclear bomb.

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Speaker 1: Good to know. Avoid the antimatter.

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Speaker 2: Twin ideally, But the problem is the Big Bang should

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have created equal amounts of both. Okay, so logically they

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should have all canceled each other out instantly. The universe

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should have been a flash of light and then silence. Nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are here.

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Speaker 2: We are The chair I'm sitting in is reel. You

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are real. We are made of matter. The antimatter is missing,

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so we are a mistake.

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Speaker 1: We are a cosmic typo.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, our existence violates the rules, and CERN is trying

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to find out where the antimatter went. But here is

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where the source material gets alarming. It mentions that in

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twenty eighteen they figured out how to trap antimatter and not.

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Speaker 1: Just trap it, move it like put it in a truck.

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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, they transported it from one facility to another

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in a special magnetic trap. But look at the note

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in the source regarding the energy density.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw this. I circled this in red ink

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about four times. The report says the amount of antimatter

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they moved had an energy equivalent of twenty Hiroshima atomic bombs.

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Speaker 2: That claim stops you in your tracks. Now, we have

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to be careful here. That doesn't mean they had a

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bomb in the size of a truck. Antimatter is incredibly

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dense energy. That amount of destructive power would fit on

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the head of a pin.

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Speaker 1: That almost makes it worse. You're telling me they are

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moving a pin head. That if the magnetic field fails,

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if someone trips over a cord, if there is a

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power outage, it wipes out a city, It.

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Speaker 2: Creates a creator. Yes, the containment is the only things

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stopping that annihilation, and they are doing this to test gravity.

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it fall up? Well? Does it? It seems to The

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recent results show it reacts to gravity just like normal matter.

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of that level of destruction and playing with the fundamental

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building blocks of reality is what sets the stage for

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the anxiety.

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Speaker 1: And that anxiety isn't just about explosions. It's about the

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feeling that something is wrong. The vibe shift exactly. This

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the wetwear our brains. The source material talks about a

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collective feeling that time is broken.

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Speaker 2: You hear this everywhere now, people saying, wait, it's February already,

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or why does twenty nineteen feel like it was twenty

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years ago? Twenty twenty one feels like yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I feel that constantly. I sit down to work, I

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blink and six hours are gone. And it's not just

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time flies when you're having fun. It feels compressed, distorted.

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Speaker 2: There are psychological reasons for that, for sure, Dopamine loops, stress,

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the way we process trauma. But the theory here is

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that cern isn't just watching particles. The accusation is that

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by smashing these particles at such high energies, they're actually

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shifting timelines.

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Speaker 1: And the evidence for this, the thing everyone points to,

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is the Mandela effect.

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Speaker 2: Right and for anyone who has managed to avoid this

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rabbit hole, the Mandela effect is when a large group

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of people share a vivid memory of something that historical

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records say never happened.

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Speaker 1: Like Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Exactly millions of people remember news clips, a funeral, a

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speech by his widow. But in this reality he lived,

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became president, and died in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: But the sources bring up the ones that really mess

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with me. The fruit of the loom logo.

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Speaker 2: The cornucopia, the basket.

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Speaker 1: Okay, look me in. Was there a cornicopia behind the fruit?

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A horn of plenty?

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Speaker 2: In my memory? Absolutely, I can see the brown woven basket.

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I can see the way the grape spilled out of it.

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I learned the word cornicopia from my underwear.

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Speaker 1: Thank you me too. It's so vivid in my head.

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of the company.

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Speaker 2: It's never been there. It has always just been a

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Speaker 1: That makes me want to scream. It's such a specific,

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weird detail. Yeah, a brown woven basket. Why would we

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Speaker 2: That's the question. And then there's Pikachu the tail. Do

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draw it right now from memory.

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Speaker 2: Nope, solid yellow never had a black tip. Or the

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Disney intro before the movies. Does tinker Bell fly out

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and dot the eye in Disney with her Wand.

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Speaker 1: She absolutely does, I can hear the little sound effect thing.

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Speaker 2: Apparently not in this timeline. She flies around the castle,

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but she never dots the eye.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see now I'm sweating because these aren't just oh

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I forgot where to put my keys. These are shared

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collective memories, and the theory is that these are residue.

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Speaker 2: Residue of a previous timeline. The idea is that every

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time Cern fires up the LHC, specifically at these record

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breaking energies, we are nudged shoved onto a slightly different track.

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Speaker 1: Of reality, like a needle skipping on a record exactly.

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Speaker 2: The song is mostly the same, but a few notes

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are different. History is rewritten in small trivial ways, a logo,

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a movie line, but our memories. The data is stored

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in our organic hard drives sometimes retains the old file.

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Speaker 1: And that's why we feel that disconnect. That's why I

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feel like I'm going crazy when I look at the

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fruit of the Loom logo.

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Speaker 2: It's the cognitive dissonance of knowing two conflicting truths at once.

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And there's a specific claim in the sources from a

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guy named Dan Burish regarding this right. Dan Burrish is well,

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he's a controversial figure in euphology circles to say the least,

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but his claim fits this narrative perfectly. He says that

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there are beings coming from four twenty five thousand years

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Speaker 1: Future future humans, yes.

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Speaker 2: But not our future, a future on a separate timeline.

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He suggests these entities are traveling back through these portals

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or utilizing the instability caused by cern to interact with us.

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Speaker 1: So we have future humans hopping timelines because we brooke

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time in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Or because we are about to break it. It connects

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to the idea that the LHC is a beacon, a

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signal flare across dimensions saying hey, we're ready to play

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with the big kids now.

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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the deleted files. This is where

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the story turns into a detective thriller. We have an

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investigative journalist named Miriam Hennan.

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Speaker 2: Miriam Hennen. She wrote an article titled Concerned Erupts over Portals,

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Particles and the Large Hadron Collider. It's very sensational headline,

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sure it is. But the intrigue isn't just the title.

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It's the fact that, according to Frank Jacob, the filmmaker

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who researched this, the article.

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Speaker 1: Was scrubbed, deleted, gone.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't find it on the live web. He had

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to dig into the web archives the wayback machine to

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find a.

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Speaker 1: Copy of it, which, of course is like catnip to

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conspiracy theorists. If you deleted it must be true.

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Speaker 2: It's the straysand effect. If you try to hide it,

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everyone will look for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But when he found it, he says he was shook

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by what was in there. Because the article starts with

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the hard science. We just discussed the quarks, the antimatter.

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Speaker 1: All the normal stuff, and then it pivots a hard

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left turn into the twilight zone.

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Speaker 2: It moves into what she calls interdimensional communication. There is

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a quote here that really stands out what is it. Unfortunately,

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the public is not fully aware of the full potential

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of CERN as it relates to interdimensional communication.

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Speaker 1: Not just testing for dimensions communicating across them like a telephone.

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Speaker 2: Correct. And then the article starts analyzing the symbolism around CERN,

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and honestly, this is where CERN's pure department really needs

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to have a meeting, because the optics are strange.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the logo.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you look at the CERN logo, it's these interlocks, circles,

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and lines representing particle accelerators. It makes sense geometrically, but

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if you are looking for it, and once you see it,

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you can't unsee it. You can see the shape of

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three sixes sixty six.

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Speaker 1: Six, the number of the beast for a machine called

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the beast. It's a little on the nose.

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Speaker 2: It's a little on the nose. Now, a graphic designer

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will tell you it's just a schematic. But then you

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walk outside the facility and there's.

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Speaker 1: A statue, the Shiva statue.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a gift from the Indian government. It

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depicts Shiva, the Hindu deity, but specifically it is Shiva Natraja,

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the lord of the dance.

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Speaker 1: And what kind of dance is he doing. It's not

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a waltz.

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Speaker 2: It's the cosmic dance of destruction and creation. He stomps

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on the demon of ignorance, destroys the universe with fire,

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so it can be remade.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I get the metaphor smashing particles, destroying

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them to find the building blocks of creation. It's poetic.

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It's actually quite beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It is poetic. But if you are already worried that

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this machine is going to destroy the world, having a

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statue of the destroyer in the lobby is a bold choice. Yeah,

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it sends a message.

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Speaker 1: It's not subtle. And then there was the tunnel ceremony,

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the Gothard based tunnel.

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Speaker 2: This happened in twenty sixteen. Now we have to clarify

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the Gothard Based Tunnel is a rail tunnel. It's nearby,

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and the funding and countries involved overlap with cern but

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it's not part of the collider.

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Speaker 1: Right, But in the conspiracy lore. They are inextricably.

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Speaker 2: Linked because of the ceremony.

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Speaker 1: The opening ceremony was avant garde, is putting it lightly.

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Speaker 2: The source calls it weird and ritualistic. I've seen clips

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of this. It looks like a.

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Speaker 1: Fever dream, it really does. You have dancers in construction

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gear stripping down, you have people grappling with each other,

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and then you have the figures in goat.

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Speaker 2: Masks, the Baphomet imagery.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a man dressed as a goat screaming while people

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bow down. You have simulated workers appearing to die or

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be possessed.

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Speaker 2: It was described as a tribute to the myths of

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the Alps, but to the observer looking for a conspiracy,

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it looked like a Satanic mass.

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Speaker 1: And the question that keeps coming up is why why

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does a massive engineering project need a goat man ritual?

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If you're opening a bridge, you cut a ribbon, you

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don't summon a demon.

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Speaker 2: It blurs the line between science and religion, or science

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and magic. It makes people wonder if the people running

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these machines believe in something else.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we have the symbols, we have the vibe shift,

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but let's get back to the physics for a second,

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because there is a quote from a CERN director that is, well,

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it's the smoking gun for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Section four. The door. This is the quote from Sergio Bertolicci.

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He was the director for Research and Scientific Computing its CERN.

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This isn't a random janitor. This is the guy running

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the show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what exactly did he say?

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Speaker 2: He said, referring to the LHC, out of this door

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might come something, or we might send something through it.

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Speaker 1: Out of this door might come something.

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Speaker 2: He elaborated that the LHC is a door that might

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open for an infinitesimally small amount of time ten to

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the power of negative twenty six seconds.

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Speaker 1: That is zero point zero zero zero zero with twenty

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six zeros. That's a sliver of a sliver of a

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ghost of a second, it is.

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Speaker 2: But his point was that in that fraction of a moment,

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we could peer into an extra dimension. But the phrasing

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something might come out is incredibly ominous.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like he's talking about a creature or a probe,

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not data, not particles, something.

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Speaker 2: It's a very loaded word. And Frank Jacob, the researcher,

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takes us and connects it to project looking glass.

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Speaker 1: What is that.

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Speaker 2: It's a theoretical technology often discussed in conspiracy circles, the

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ability to see into the future or manipulate timelines. Jacob

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claims they aren't just looking for extra dimensions in a

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passive way. He believes they are trying to penetrate the

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eleventh dimension.

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Speaker 1: Why the eleventh, Why not the fifth or the sixth?

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Speaker 2: It comes down to string theory, specifically m theory. The

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math suggests that for the universe to work, there must

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be eleven dimensions. Okay, we live in three spatial dimensions

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plus time. That's four, so there are seven others curled

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up tightly around us invisible make believes the goal is

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to punch through to that highest level to see the.

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Speaker 1: Whole picture, and to do that you need a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Energy, huge amounts, and this brings us to the gravity's

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rainbow theory. This was proposed by a scientist named Mir Faisal.

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He predicted that black holes could form its specific energy levels.

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Speaker 1: What were the levels?

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Speaker 2: He calculated that if the universe has extra dimensions, we

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should see many black holes forming at energy levels between

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nine point five and eleven point nine TV.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, we're running at thirteen point six TV

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right now exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are currently operating above the threshold here predicted.

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Speaker 1: So where are the black holes? Are we in one?

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Speaker 2: Well, if his theory is right, we might be making them,

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but they would be microscopic quantum black holes.

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Speaker 1: The source mentions a researcher named Sophia Kay. She tries

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to calm everyone down right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she's the sister of the physicist, and she writes

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specifically to debunk the fear mongering. She argues the black

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hole to health theory is impossible according to standard gravity.

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She says, any competent physics knows you can't make a

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dangerous black hole this way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes me feel a little better.

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Speaker 2: But there's some But isn't there there is?

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Speaker 1: She admits that CERN officially acknowledges the possibility of tiny

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quantum black holes. They say if they did appear, they

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would decay instantly. They would evaporate via something called Hawking

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radiation before they could swallow anything.

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Speaker 2: But that leads to the question. The host in our

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source material asks, if a black hole decays, the energy

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has to go somewhere exactly.

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Speaker 1: Energy cannot be created or destroyed it just changes form.

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Where does that energy go?

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Speaker 2: So Fhiaka points out that CERN's magnetic fields are one

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hundred thousand times stronger than Earth's magnetic field. We are

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creating magnetic anomalies and energy densities that don't exist anywhere

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else in our solar system.

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Speaker 1: So we are poking a hole in reality, even a

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tiny one.

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Speaker 2: And if we do that, do we really know what happens?

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Or are we as the page in a book analogy

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suggests bleeding ink onto the next page.

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Speaker 1: That analogy page in a book that comes from the

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Edward Mantel story, And honest, this is the part of

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the stack that kept me up last night.

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Speaker 2: It is this moves us from theoretical physics into what

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feels like a horror movie. But it is presented in

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the source material as a report on a CERN physicist.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Edward Mantel.

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Speaker 2: The story goes that on July thirteenth, twenty sixteen, doctor

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Mantel was found dead in his office at Cerne. It

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was ruled a suicide, but.

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Speaker 1: The circumstances were bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Bizarre is an understatement. He'd been researching a hidden code

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in neutrino movement. Neutrinos are ghost particles. They passed through everything,

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including us, by the trillions every second. He was studying

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how they traveled between the Earth's magnetic polls.

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Speaker 1: And apparently he hadn't slept in days. He was madic obsessed, He.

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Speaker 2: Was unraveling, and when they found him, the office was

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wiped clean.

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Speaker 1: This is the detail that gets me, Not just he

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deleted his.

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Speaker 2: Email, no papers burned in a trash can, computer hard

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drive wiped to military standards. It was like he was

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trying to erase his entire intellectual existence. But there's one.

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Speaker 1: Text file left, the single survivor, a.

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Speaker 2: Text fall containing an analogy the page in a book.

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Speaker 1: I have it here. I want to read this because

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the way he describes it, it feels intuitive, It feels

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like something we shouldn't know.

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Speaker 2: Go for it.

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Speaker 1: He wrote, Our universe is but one page and a

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large book. Think of a closed book sitting on a table.

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Our universe is but one page, and our page is

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certainly not the only one. Every page in the book

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represents a different dimension. No page was to interact with

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the other, just as no ink bleeds from one page

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to another in a standaled book. Each page is a

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universe unto itself.

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Speaker 2: It's a haunting image, the idea that dimensions aren't far away,

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they're stacked right on top of us, separated by well,

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nothing but the paper.

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Speaker 1: And his fear was that cern is the pen that

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is pressing too hard.

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Speaker 2: Piercing the page and letting the ink bleed.

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Speaker 1: Ink bleeding. That is such a visceral way to describe it.

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If you pierce the page, you don't just damage your

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own page, you damage the one below it, and you

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let whatever is on that page bleed up into yours.

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Speaker 2: And vice versa. We bleed into them, they bleed into us.

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Speaker 1: That explains the beings from the intro. It explains the

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Mandela effect. It ties it all together. If the ink bleeds,

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the logo changes. If the ink bleeds, tinker Bell disappears,

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it does.

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Speaker 2: It's a perfect narrative framework. It makes all the random

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glitches feel like symptoms of a single disease. But we

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have to be the adults in the room for a second.

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Speaker 1: I know the reality check.

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Speaker 2: The source explicitly notes that the investigative journalist and many

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others who have looked into this could not find a

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record of an Edward Mantil ever existing, No PhD no

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university records, no published papers under that name, no employment

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history at CERNE, nothing. He seems to be a ghost.

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Speaker 1: So it's a fake, a ghost story invented on a

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forum somewhere.

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Speaker 2: That is the most logical conclusion. It's likely a piece

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of creepy pasta Internet fiction that got aggregated into these

505
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conspiracy theories because it fits so well.

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Speaker 1: Or or, as the source suggests, who created the World

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Wide Web CERN?

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Speaker 2: Did Tim Berners Lee at CERN and nineteen eighty nine?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? They literally built the Internet. If there is one

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organization on Earth, one group of people who could completely

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scrub a person from digital existence, who could make it

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look like you never were born, it is the people

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who wrote the code for the web itself.

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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate the call is coming from inside the

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house scenario. You can't find them on Google because we

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own Google's grandfather.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. I can't prove that, but narratively it is terrifying.

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Speaker 2: It creates a closed loop where lack of evidence becomes

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evidence of a cover up.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliant, really, And what's even scarier is that if

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they did do something like that, or if they did

522
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accidentally create a black hole, who is going to stop them.

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Speaker 2: That brings us to the legal vacuum. This is something

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most people don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shocked by this. In two thousand and eight,

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there was a lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Hawaii

528
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actually and others in Europe trying to stop the LAEDC

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from turning on Ye. They argued exactly what we've been discussing,

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that it could create black holes and swallow the earth.

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Speaker 1: And the court said dismissed. Why because the science was safe.

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Speaker 2: No, that's the crazy part. It wasn't dismissed on scientific merit.

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The judge didn't look at the physics and say you're wrong.

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It was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds.

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean.

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Speaker 2: It means the court ruled it had no authority over.

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Speaker 1: CERNE because it's in Switzerland.

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Speaker 2: Because CERN has international treaty status, it operates almost like

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the UN or the Vatican. It is its own entity.

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It has limited jurisdiction. No single country, not Switzerland, not France,

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certainly not the US can simply walk in and tell

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them to turn off the machine.

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Speaker 1: So you're telling me we have a machine that proponents

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say unlocks the secrets of the universe, and opponents say

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could end the world. And it is effectively above the law.

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Speaker 2: It relies on collective governance by its member states. But yes,

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practically speaking, there is no police force that can raid CERN.

548
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If they decided to run an experiment that was highly risky,

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who stops them?

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Speaker 1: That is deeply unsettling. It it's like a bond villain layer.

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But it's funded by our taxes. And looking ahead, the

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timeline is only accelerating.

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Speaker 2: Right as we mentioned, the current run Run three ends

554
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in twenty twenty six, then another shutdown for more upgrades,

555
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and then the next big startup, the High Luminosity Run,

556
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is scheduled for twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty nine. That's right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: Frank Jacob points out that twenty twenty nine aligns very

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closely with the agenda twenty thirty timelines we hear about

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from the World Economic Forum. He believes the timetable is accelerating. Yeah,

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they are rushing towards something before the decade is out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we have painted a very grim picture here, portals demons,

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timeline erasures, and lawless scientists in a hole in the ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to be.

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Speaker 1: Fair, and because we want to be thorough, we have

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to let Cern speak.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Section seven the official rebuttal. Cern is not death.

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They know these theories exist, They know people think they

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are summoning Satan, and they actually have a Q and

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a page dedicated to them.

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Speaker 1: So let's run through their defense. First off, is it dangerous?

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Speaker 2: Their answer no. Their main argument is the cosmic ray defense.

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They say that cosmic rays, high energy particles from space,

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bombard the Earth every.

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Speaker 1: Day, and those are stronger than the LHC.

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Speaker 2: Much stronger. Nature smashes particles together in our atmosphere with

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way more energy than CERN can muster, and the Earth

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is still here, the moon is still here. So they argue,

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we are just doing what nature does, but in a

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controlled environment.

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Speaker 1: That's a solid argument. The sky's been punching us for

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billions of years and we're fine.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a pretty strong point.

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Speaker 1: What about the God particle? That name freaks people out.

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It sounds theological. It sounds like they're trying to find

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God or kill God or something.

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Speaker 2: Cern hates that name. He hates it. Yes, it's a

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marketing gimmick. It was coined by a publisher for a

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book by the physicist Leon Letterman. He actually wanted to

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call it the Goddamn particle because it was so hard

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to find.

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Speaker 1: Ah, I relate to that where am I goddamn keys exactly?

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Speaker 2: But the publisher said, no, that's too profane. Call it

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the God particle. It's old, millions of books, but it

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gave the wrong impression. CERN clarifies the mission is purely scientific,

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not theological. They aren't looking for God, they're looking for mass.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually funny. What about the ritual video. We

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mentioned the tunnel ceremony, but there was another video of

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people in cloaks at CERN, right, Yes, this leep.

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Speaker 2: A few years ago. It was filmed from a window

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looking down at the Shiva statue. You see figures in

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black cloaks and they appear to stage a human sacrifice

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of a woman.

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Speaker 1: And CERN's response.

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Speaker 2: They admitted the footage was real, but said it was

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a prank. A prank. They said it was scientists and

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staff letting off steam housing area humor, I think was

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the phrase. They said. It was not condoned and people

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were reprimanded.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's fake a human sacrifice in front of the

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destroyer statue. While the Internet thinks we are opening hell

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great sense of humor. Guys, read the room.

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Speaker 2: It shows a staggering lack of awareness for sure. It's

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like yelling fire and a crowded theater as a joke.

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Speaker 1: What about the weather. People say the magnetic fields cause

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storms like that weird spiral in Norway.

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Speaker 2: Cern says no, the fields are contained within the magnets.

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They drop off very quickly. They don't affect the Earth's

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magnetosphere or weather. They claim no connection whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And finally, opening portals the big one.

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Speaker 2: They explicitly deny opening doors to other dimensions. However, and

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this is where the conspiracy theorists squint their eyes. Use

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very specific language, lawyer speak, scientific speak. They say they

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test theoretical models of extra dimensions. They don't rule out

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that extra dimensions exist. They just say the machine isn't

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a scargate, it's not a transportation device.

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Speaker 1: It's just subtle distinction. We aren't building a door. We

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are just banging on the wall to see if anyone

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is on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much. And if the wall breaks, nuh, well that's

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a different problem.

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Speaker 1: So where does that leave us? After all this?

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Speaker 2: It leaves us in a place of high tension. On

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one side, you have the pinnacle of human curiosity, to

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drive to know everything, to understand the code of the universe.

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That is a beautiful human thing. We are explorers. And

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on the other side the primal fear, the fear that

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we are children playing with matches in a library full

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of books. We can't read the coincidences, the Mandela effects,

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the ominous quotes, the sheer scale of the energy. They

641
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create a pattern that is hard to ignore.

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Speaker 1: It really is. Even if you trust the science, you

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have to admit, thirteen point six trillion electron volts is

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a lot of power to put in the hands of

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people who think fake sacrifices are funny.

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Speaker 2: And that leads to the what if, even if the

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intent is pure science, even if they have the best

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of intentions, are we playing with forces that we fundamentally

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don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I keep going back to that page in a book analogy.

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Even if Edward Mantil never existed, the idea sticks with me.

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It just it feels right somehow.

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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate provocative thought. If we are just one

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page and we keep poking at the paper with higher

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and higher energy, Eventually you have to wonder, do we let.

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Speaker 1: The light in, do we find the secrets of the

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universe and become God?

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Speaker 2: Or do we let the darkness out?

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Speaker 1: That is the question, and that is where we are

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going to leave you to wonder. We want to hear

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from you. This is one of those topics where everyone

662
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has a feeling. Do you feel like time is broken?

663
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Speaker 2: Have you experienced a Mandela effect that you just can't shake?

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The cornycopia, the Tinkerbell intro, Hm, I'm still sucking the

665
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cornicopia Honestly, that one really gets me.

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Speaker 1: Or do you think this is all just panic over protons?

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Is this just the modern version of being scared of

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electricity or the first steam trains?

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Speaker 2: It's possible maybe we are just afraid of the dark,

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or afraid of what we might find when we finally

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turn on the light.

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Speaker 1: Leave a comment let us know your stance. Are we

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on the brink of discovery or the brink of disaster?

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Speaker 2: We'll be reading them, assuming the timeline doesn't shift and

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delete the comment section. Jinx it. Thanks for joining us

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on thrilling threads.

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Speaker 1: Keep pulling the strain, Just be careful what unravels