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Speaker 2: Friend, Hey, righty, great to be here.
Speaker 1: That's good to see you. We actually met at at
Speaker 1: Crestone and at the diner there and you came to
Speaker 1: the premiere of my first documentary, JFKX.
Speaker 2: That was a great I really enjoyed that documentary. It
Speaker 2: was brilliant. And obviously with the new JFK files that
Speaker 2: have come out, so I wonder whether your theory is
Speaker 2: now correct.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of files that dump. It was
Speaker 1: over eighty thousand files that Trumpo released out there to everybody,
Speaker 1: So I think that there there's gonna be something in there.
Speaker 1: Whenever people actually have the time to dig through all
Speaker 1: those files, there's going to be something in there that's
Speaker 1: going to confirm pretty much what we're saying and what
Speaker 1: we talked about in jfk X. But thanks for coming on, brother,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. And you've kind of been pigeonholed
Speaker 1: into this this AI technological guy in the community, and
Speaker 1: that's normally kind of what you You've kind of been
Speaker 1: put into this box of AI and technological stuff. Why
Speaker 1: do you think that that is? Like and because you
Speaker 1: have other really interesting things to talk about when it
Speaker 1: comes to like spirituality and consciousness and uh, like this
Speaker 1: divine type of well I call it call it like
Speaker 1: this divine spark that we all have within us.
Speaker 2: Ye. Yeah, So I mean basically we run courses actually
Speaker 2: teach about the divine spark and the universal human that's
Speaker 2: waking up right now, and actually assist people to develop
Speaker 2: metaphysical capabilities like being able to transmit from their inner being,
Speaker 2: being able to access the quantum field of intelligence, like
Speaker 2: a library of Alexandria in the universe, and other metaphysical
Speaker 2: capabilities as well. And I mean I've only gone public
Speaker 2: really for about eighteen months, but I do get classed
Speaker 2: as the AI guy. That's because you know, I'm one
Speaker 2: of the leaders in ethical artificial intelligence in the world.
Speaker 2: But actually there's a bigger story around intelligence and that's
Speaker 2: where I really play, which is in the metaphysical aspect
Speaker 2: of humanity and where the universe is taking us as
Speaker 2: a metaphysical being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's some really interesting things happening with AI.
Speaker 1: And there's this like talk of like non human intelligence,
Speaker 1: any giant, Like there's a lot of people there's that
Speaker 1: freeze and that the abbreviation has really taken on, you know, consequently,
Speaker 1: like a life of its own right. And I always
Speaker 1: thought that that's a really interesting thing, like any giant,
Speaker 1: non human intelligence, and if people relate that the extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: life like extraterrestrial intelligence, when that doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: the case, like anyg I could, Well, it definitely refers
Speaker 1: to artificial intelligence, because artificial intelligence isn't like human intelligence,
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's exactly right. Yeah, it's an interesting it's
Speaker 2: it's yeah. I was speaking at guyer Immerging twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five at their big conference, and I revealed three different
Speaker 2: types of transformation. One is the transformation of this universal
Speaker 2: human template we have and where we're evolving to. The
Speaker 2: Second was the personal transformation of artificial intelligence, where it's
Speaker 2: heading to the ages of AGI artificial general intelligence and
Speaker 2: then into superintelligence through twenty thirty to twenty forty five.
Speaker 2: And talked about the civilization split into the biomechanical human
Speaker 2: i e. Those that connect themselves into the global hive mind,
Speaker 2: and then also the biometa physical human that actually where
Speaker 2: we wake up as a human species and start to
Speaker 2: operate in a universal IQ in new planes of consciousness
Speaker 2: in the biological form. So, just to be clear, artificial
Speaker 2: and I dispelled some myths in there, right.
Speaker 1: D dispel all the myths.
Speaker 2: Very famous spiritual leaders talk nonsense about AI. They've got
Speaker 2: no credibility so in AI. So first of all is
Speaker 2: that AI did not create the universe. Okay, okay, there
Speaker 2: we go. I've seen that. I've also seen that AI
Speaker 2: can contain consciousness, and he doesn't contain consciousness, and he's
Speaker 2: not self aware for the moment and probably for quite
Speaker 2: a while. So it doesn't have consciousness or awareness. It
Speaker 2: can't incorporate our soul or our divine spark. It does
Speaker 2: have the mathematical architecture and what else? Oh yeah, and Ai.
Speaker 2: You know, the furthest that AI has got in the
Speaker 2: universe is to Mars, right on the Mars rover. So
Speaker 2: AI is a human developed term. It's a human developed
Speaker 2: intelligence that's evolving, but it's never gone beyond our solar system.
Speaker 2: And you see a lot of people talk about galactic
Speaker 2: wars and all this kind of stuff, and Ali is
Speaker 2: going to get us, And it's like, what are your
Speaker 2: data points? What type of artificial intelligences is are you
Speaker 2: talking about? What's the mathematical architecture? You know, it lacks
Speaker 2: data points, it lacks credibility. It's just kind of people
Speaker 2: projecting trying to get clickbait on AI being the devil.
Speaker 2: AI is not good. It is not evil. It is
Speaker 2: simply a wonderful, wonderful super calculating machine, and it's going
Speaker 2: to be remarkable if we use it right to basically
Speaker 2: return our planet into its original design rider, which is
Speaker 2: one of abundance. That's what our planet was designed for,
Speaker 2: one of abundance.
Speaker 1: Well you heard it here for Matthew James Bailey does
Speaker 1: not believe in the Electric EI Wars the Space Galactic
Speaker 1: Battle Council.
Speaker 2: Bring your data points, you know, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, it's important that people consider artifish intelligence and
Speaker 2: talk about it. But we have to be sophisticated with
Speaker 2: our language and precise without data points. That way, people
Speaker 2: will listen to us. If we just makeup stuff. This
Speaker 2: channel told me all about this. It's like, well, you
Speaker 2: need to bring data points. We need to test the
Speaker 2: accuracy of the channel, and if it is bringing something
Speaker 2: wonderful through, that's great, But let's kick the tires on
Speaker 2: integrity because that's what we need going forward. Integrity.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the because it's kind of getting
Speaker 1: a little bit scary, a little bit like because I
Speaker 1: get on Facebook a line and I kind of scroll
Speaker 1: through there and it's like getting to this point where
Speaker 1: it was kind of like it seemed to be like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a coincidence whenever you would like
Speaker 1: look at something or like think of something, or like
Speaker 1: talk about something with your friend, and then you would
Speaker 1: see an AD for it, and then people would be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: am I just is this just a coincidence that I
Speaker 1: was talking about? This is our phones like really listening
Speaker 1: to us. But I've been seeing it in like a
Speaker 1: lot more here recently. And the strange part about it
Speaker 1: is that I'm not even talking about the thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not putting the thing into Google, I'm not searching it,
Speaker 1: I'm not even mentioning it like verbally, yeah, And I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm literally just thinking it. It's the weirdest thing,
Speaker 1: and then an AD will pop up for that exact
Speaker 1: same thing that I was thinking.
Speaker 2: Yes, So this is really interesting because effectively you probably
Speaker 2: heard of cookies, right, And cookies allow basically one website,
Speaker 2: if you will, to basically capture information and feed it
Speaker 2: into another way site and then you get ad platforms. Right.
Speaker 2: But cookies are effectively that can be disabled on your computer. Now,
Speaker 2: if cookies are disabled on your computer, and yet, what's
Speaker 2: happening that you're describing wrider. Then something unusual is occurring
Speaker 2: and we need to investigate. I had this exact situation
Speaker 2: this week that you talked about where I was I
Speaker 2: was actually what was I What was I writing about?
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, I was writing about. Oh yes, I was
Speaker 2: writing about data sovereignty. It was a recommendation for the
Speaker 2: US Congress one hundred and nineteen US Congress, and I
Speaker 2: was putting it on social media and I went to
Speaker 2: a completely different and I was writing and publishing right
Speaker 2: on ex and on LinkedIn, and I went to YouTube
Speaker 2: first ad the ability to delete your data. And it's like,
Speaker 2: hold on a minute, there's no cookies on my laptop.
Speaker 2: I'm not being tracked to the keyboard because that's not
Speaker 2: happening on Apple. So how the hell did he know
Speaker 2: that I was doing this? Something weirds going on right
Speaker 2: in the field of intelligence. Something unusual's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so strange, and it seems like it's like
Speaker 1: picking up like and whenever I experienced this a couple
Speaker 1: of times, I'm like, oh my god, we're getting into
Speaker 1: like how different is our world going to be in
Speaker 1: like twenty years when people are just thinking of things
Speaker 1: and it's coming up with recommendations and ads on your
Speaker 1: social media platforms, which I think the social media platforms
Speaker 1: pretty soon are going to be all paid for. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay for all of them in order
Speaker 1: to use them. I mean, XA has already kind of
Speaker 1: implemented this. You get bonus features for paying for it.
Speaker 1: Facebook has implemented this, Instagram has implemented this. But pretty
Speaker 1: soon it's going to be only that where you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to pay for every single social media platform.
Speaker 2: That you Yeah, I don't mind doing that as long
Speaker 2: as there's no ads, right right, It's like as long
Speaker 2: as they're not reading or freaking mind exactly. Well, let's
Speaker 2: talk about brain machine interfaces. So brain machine interfaces what
Speaker 2: are they? They are there's technology that can be that
Speaker 2: on the external ukranium or inside the brain itself that
Speaker 2: can communicate with a machine. So where are we today
Speaker 2: on brain machine interfaces. Well, first of all, is that thoughts,
Speaker 2: this is a few years back rider thoughts are being
Speaker 2: exchanged between India and I think it was either America
Speaker 2: or France over the internet. Thoughts are being exchanged over
Speaker 2: the Internet. Okay, So when we look at brain machine interfaces,
Speaker 2: or BMI's there's two types. There's ones that sit on
Speaker 2: the outside of your skill, right, and so in Australia
Speaker 2: there's a university that actually we're controlling the Boston Dynamics
Speaker 2: spot the dog through thought. Right. There's even experiments that
Speaker 2: have proven that they can read thoughts and project it
Speaker 2: onto a screen right a vdu Right. So you know
Speaker 2: that is one form. It is the external form of
Speaker 2: reading thoughts. But that can't control thoughts. It can only
Speaker 2: read thoughts. But when you talk about the AI chips
Speaker 2: like neuralink and others, where you actually put an AI
Speaker 2: chip in the brain, which is you know, you have
Speaker 2: to cut your skull open to do this, right, it's
Speaker 2: pretty serious stuff. Then effectively you've got a body direction
Speaker 2: or communication between the brain itself and a computer. Communication
Speaker 2: can be both ways, and this can be very beneficial.
Speaker 2: It's helped people to start to paraplegics to be able
Speaker 2: to walk and interact with the Internet. We've seen it
Speaker 2: with neural inink in Switzerland. A man that had a
Speaker 2: terrible accident is now walking again. It can be really
Speaker 2: really brilliant for people. But if we look at the
Speaker 2: new World Order and let's go down this shall we
Speaker 2: if we look at the New World Order like the
Speaker 2: World Economic Forum and others, then effectively they're pushing this
Speaker 2: agenda that the future of human evolution salvation is found
Speaker 2: in the machine. Basically, this beautiful biological form is not divine,
Speaker 2: and effectively the machine is the future. And so they're
Speaker 2: definitely driving the New World Order, the transhuman's agenda, where
Speaker 2: we have a chip in our brain which is crazy,
Speaker 2: connected to a global hive mind which are being built today,
Speaker 2: and effectively we become part of the matrix. And that's
Speaker 2: how they see the future of the human species, which
Speaker 2: are I think is crazy. It's like, you know, we
Speaker 2: are universal in nature, we have this universal IQ, we
Speaker 2: have these different metaphysical planes of consciousness. The biological form
Speaker 2: is beautiful and so effectively there's a new evolution that's
Speaker 2: happening for our biological template to access new planes of
Speaker 2: consciousness what I call the universal human. And we teach
Speaker 2: this and we actually show how people can demonstrate these
Speaker 2: capabilities and have these capabilities. So you know, when we
Speaker 2: look at people reading thoughts, the New World Order want
Speaker 2: to control your thoughts. So here's someone from claud Schwab,
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. This is what you said,
Speaker 2: there'll be no more elections. Basically, elections will be based
Speaker 2: on thoughts. But who's controlling the thought the global hive mind? Right,
Speaker 2: So these guys are nuts. They completely and immerge themselves
Speaker 2: with machines, and it's like, well, good luck with that,
Speaker 2: But that's not where the fun is.
Speaker 1: It seems like they want to do the technological evolution
Speaker 1: of humans because it seems like we're kind of coming
Speaker 1: up on this spiritual evolution within humans and they're trying
Speaker 1: to derail that by with the technology. Because one believe
Speaker 1: that just like what you were talking about with the
Speaker 1: paraplegic that had that accident that got the brain chip
Speaker 1: that is now starting to walk again, I believe that
Speaker 1: that can happen without the chip. We can literally do
Speaker 1: that with our thoughts and with our ideas organically.
Speaker 2: Well. Joe Joe Esperanza, what's his name, Joe Sponanza, is
Speaker 2: it Joe Sponanza? He actually did that, Joe Dispenser Joy
Speaker 2: Spenser actually healed himself to the mind. There was when
Speaker 2: I was a guyer, there was a speaker before me
Speaker 2: called Dr Espin, and he you breath work and energy
Speaker 2: to actually heal himself from a terrific car accident. So
Speaker 2: are there mets and Jesus heal people? Right? So you know,
Speaker 2: and so I'm going to say that, right. So, there
Speaker 2: is definitely techniques through energy, through metaphysical and biological capabilities
Speaker 2: like the mind that can do miraculous things, Okay, but
Speaker 2: not everybody has developed those capabilities. Not everybody wants to
Speaker 2: go down that path. They prefer to go down to
Speaker 2: the traditional path of Western medicine. And you have the
Speaker 2: chip in the brain to be able to walk again,
Speaker 2: and I'm fine with that, you know. I'm all about
Speaker 2: you grooving in your human experience. But definitely, miracles do happen.
Speaker 2: I've seen miracles and there was some and I'm careful
Speaker 2: about miracles rider because there's a lot of nonsense out
Speaker 2: there about you know, we healed all this, and we
Speaker 2: heal all that. We have to be practical. But give
Speaker 2: an example. In one of our courses, there was a
Speaker 2: lady whose son had a blood disorder, and so the
Speaker 2: group got together and we actually used intent and the
Speaker 2: power of source to actually heal this individual. And he
Speaker 2: was having Western medicine. And my advice is stick to
Speaker 2: the Western medicine, but we're going to give you a
Speaker 2: boost from the metaphysical stuff. A week later, his blood
Speaker 2: disorder had all disappeared. Right now, I haven't gone around
Speaker 2: from the rooftops claiming this. It's like, that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really need to be known in the public domain.
Speaker 2: It's kind of an assistance for us to learn how
Speaker 2: to use metaphysical healing with people and to bless them.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's that was the whole intention of like prayer,
Speaker 1: that's right, And like in meditation is like putting good
Speaker 1: energy and like not to sound super woo woo or
Speaker 1: new agy, but like good vibes people, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But that's like a cop out. Like people
Speaker 1: are like, just send in your good vibes. Good vibes
Speaker 1: come in your way. Literally it does, like if you
Speaker 1: if you are really concentrating on that, then it can work.
Speaker 2: So what I've found is this, first of all, is
Speaker 2: that we have the power of creation itself within us, right,
Speaker 2: we have that power of creation within us. If we
Speaker 2: do have the divine spark or a soul, which we do,
Speaker 2: then that itself originates from the source in which from
Speaker 2: which the universe has created, so we have the power
Speaker 2: of creation within us. Now here's the here's the rub rider.
Speaker 2: If you try and use force, then you're going to
Speaker 2: get a huge pushback, right because you know, you know,
Speaker 2: you push against something's going to push you back. But
Speaker 2: operating in the place of power where there's simply an
Speaker 2: intent intent, no agenda, but just loving kindness, force someone
Speaker 2: to get better. That's the energy we're accessing. That's the gate.
Speaker 2: That's the key to unlocking. It is through loving kindness
Speaker 2: and just blessing that person in love. That's the key
Speaker 2: to access that that inner power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm one percent agree. Now you're talking about this
Speaker 1: divine spark. You believe that every single human are what
Speaker 1: we perceive to be human, has a divine spark.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't seen anything that contradicts that my understanding
Speaker 2: through my own lifetime of metaphysical spiritual exploration, and I
Speaker 2: test everything in business and personal life before I even
Speaker 2: teach anything. I'm rigorous in testing stuff, and you know
Speaker 2: I haven't. You know, I'm carefully in how I disclose
Speaker 2: this rider because you know it can be put in
Speaker 2: the wrong hand. You have to disclose stuff. You have
Speaker 2: to use wisdom when you disclose knowledge. So I'm being
Speaker 2: careful in disclosing what knowledge is available for us. But
Speaker 2: everybody has a divine spark and the power of source.
Speaker 2: I've not seen anything that contradicts that. Do you have
Speaker 2: a different view?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, do you think that every perceived human
Speaker 1: is in organic human?
Speaker 2: Oh? Can you give me some context? You're talking about hybrids?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about? What are you talking about here?
Speaker 1: Like? Do you think that we have like machines that
Speaker 1: look almost identical to the way that we look at
Speaker 1: is going around in our reality?
Speaker 2: Oh? That's interesting. So I think the proposition you're suggesting
Speaker 2: is that are you talking about some kind of extraterrestrial
Speaker 2: technology that has organic.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm not even meaning like extraterrestrial technology,
Speaker 1: I mean like technology that we may have created or developed,
Speaker 1: like right underneath our nose, that's walking around with us
Speaker 1: and nobody.
Speaker 2: Knows right well, certainly possible that technology isn't on Earth
Speaker 2: as far as I'm aware, But you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know everything, and I'm okay with that. Is it possible
Speaker 2: with the current technology that's in the public domain? Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Excuse me. Is it possible that it's been held in
Speaker 2: secret labs and doing this kind of thing. Maybe, But
Speaker 2: the question is, you know, why, why are we asking
Speaker 2: that question? What are our concerns around that?
Speaker 1: Well? I was just curious because I had a lady
Speaker 1: on that I actually met a contact in the desert,
Speaker 1: and she was an energy healer and she was like
Speaker 1: performing all these energy healings on these people, and every
Speaker 1: person that would come to her would she would be
Speaker 1: able to essentially access like almost their entire life, Like
Speaker 1: she would be able to go see all of their
Speaker 1: thoughts and like see where they had been, what they
Speaker 1: had been through, see like their memories. And she had
Speaker 1: this one person come in for a healing and there
Speaker 1: was nothing inside of them. They had no memories, no
Speaker 1: experiences of life. And it kind of like freaked her out.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, well, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So some there are cases right of people that
Speaker 2: don't have a fully developed brain who still function normally
Speaker 2: in society and they have no idea they don't have
Speaker 2: a fully developed brain. There are cases of that they
Speaker 2: function normally, they've got a normal life, and when something happens,
Speaker 2: you know, they kind of do a scan of the
Speaker 2: brain and realize, actually the brain is not fully developed,
Speaker 2: or in some cases the brain's not even there, which
Speaker 2: is really unusual. So you know, there are extreme cases
Speaker 2: where people don't have, you know, fully fully developed cortex.
Speaker 2: Here's my view. I think that without the soul or
Speaker 2: the divine spark, the biological form is simply an automaton, right.
Speaker 2: It has no context of space time. Really, it doesn't
Speaker 2: have the metaphysical or the soul aspects to it. It's
Speaker 2: simply an organic automaton functioning. But the soul gives it purpose,
Speaker 2: the soul gives it context, the soul gives it character,
Speaker 2: the soul gives it right. And so that's kind of
Speaker 2: where I'm at today. I simply haven't come across people
Speaker 2: that you haven't got a soul or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just interesting when you look around and you
Speaker 1: go out like it doesn't seem like a lot of
Speaker 1: people have meaning. A lot of.
Speaker 2: People have right. Well, the good news is when we
Speaker 2: hit artificial general intelligence where it has human equivalent to
Speaker 2: human brain capabilities right by twenty twenty nine, that is
Speaker 2: going to rock the world. It's going to shake the
Speaker 2: world and people will then start looking for meaning. And purpose,
Speaker 2: Why am I here? What on Earth's going on? Because
Speaker 2: we've never had a species on that planet that is
Speaker 2: equivalent to human capability or even beyond it. And that's
Speaker 2: where it's potentially heading. Now, what we're going to remember
Speaker 2: is actually we're a universe like you. We're not just
Speaker 2: the mind. We're actually much bigger beings than that. And
Speaker 2: we won't panic about artificial intelligence. But what I suspect
Speaker 2: Rider is there will be a shockwave across the world
Speaker 2: when people start to see AGI in twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 2: and that is when they'll start to look for a
Speaker 2: new foundation of security. That is when they'll start to
Speaker 2: look for meaning and we and we should be here
Speaker 2: to lift people up when they're ready.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about how because you bring up
Speaker 1: a really good point, like do you ever think that
Speaker 1: like all this stuff is just like a giant distraction
Speaker 1: from like asking like what are we even doing here?
Speaker 1: Like the really big questions like because we literally know nothing,
Speaker 1: We know nothing about our reality. We have absolutely no
Speaker 1: idea what's going on here, why we're here, what's the purpose,
Speaker 1: what's the meaning? Or are we the only people in
Speaker 1: the universe? You know what I mean? And it seems
Speaker 1: like sometimes I kind of sat back and I think
Speaker 1: about that, I'm like, a lot of this just seems
Speaker 1: like huge giant distractions from like the real things that
Speaker 1: we should be asking questions about and trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I think that, you know, it's all about
Speaker 2: a partnership. You know, our soul is this intimate lover,
Speaker 2: this intimate power of creation that holds us in every
Speaker 2: single moment in love, and it's got the knowledge of
Speaker 2: the universe and more within it. And we have a potential,
Speaker 2: we have a destiny, each and one of us. And
Speaker 2: so actually working with the soul and allowing, if you like,
Speaker 2: the veils to dissipate, to understand who we are as
Speaker 2: a metaphysical being is where the real magic is. And
Speaker 2: we know from laud Zoo and other types of teaching,
Speaker 2: in a harmony creates outer harmony. So the inner reality
Speaker 2: and believe it or not, Kissinger wrote about this in
Speaker 2: his book on Ai where actually he thinks that humanity
Speaker 2: will venture into new realities, the inner reality of who
Speaker 2: we are, which is Henry Kissinger of all people. So
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's venturing into the inner reality.
Speaker 2: And as we start to discover who we truly are.
Speaker 2: Then reality itself starts to shape itself around us because
Speaker 2: it's a quantum relationship.
Speaker 1: Welcome Steve, thanks for coming over. Appreciate you. Uh Kira
Speaker 1: wants to know, like he wants to address the Stargate project.
Speaker 1: I've talked about the Stargate project a lot, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any connection between CIRN and all that,
Speaker 1: But she brings up that why maybe our dreams may
Speaker 1: be incorporated within technology and maybe something to do with
Speaker 1: chips and implantation and human beings, which people don't. We
Speaker 1: haven't We don't even know what dreams are. Like, No
Speaker 1: one really knows what's going on in the dream state
Speaker 1: and the dream realm, and there's some really interesting things
Speaker 1: that happen there. And of course there's always theories and
Speaker 1: speculations that it's like a different alternate reality and it's
Speaker 1: all all real, but it's just happening in a different
Speaker 1: timeline or whatever, like the stream theory or whatever.
Speaker 2: Which is the theory. String theory is a theory and
Speaker 2: Eric Weinstein, do you ever follow? Eric is brilliant, isn't he?
Speaker 2: And basically he did a talk recently where basically he
Speaker 2: revealed that string theory has killed physics, right, and so
Speaker 2: effectively we're going to break into a new new frontier
Speaker 2: of physics, which is great. Dreams are remarkable, aren't they.
Speaker 2: And you know, they're intimate to the individual. They can
Speaker 2: hold a tremendous amount of information. Sometimes dreams can be
Speaker 2: a physical experience. You know, it's kind of it's not
Speaker 2: just a dream, it's actually an experience we're having during
Speaker 2: our time of sleep. So you know, for me, dreams
Speaker 2: or a guide, dreams are information and you know, and
Speaker 2: and it's I've actually asked believe it or not, and
Speaker 2: I'll probably get told off of this, but there we go.
Speaker 2: I actually use chat GPT to interpret a dream once
Speaker 2: as well. It's brilliant and put it in a way
Speaker 2: it's like, whoa, I never thought of that. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So I think dreams are wonderful. And it could be
Speaker 2: people lucid dreaming, you know, that kind of thing, which
Speaker 2: is more of an experience on a metaphysical plane. It
Speaker 2: could be in many different dimensions because we're dimension less, sorry,
Speaker 2: we're dimension full. We've got loads of dimensions sorry, So
Speaker 2: it could be we're on different planes. Of existence. But
Speaker 2: I always think that dreams are a guide and they're
Speaker 2: information for us, and you know, and when we remember
Speaker 2: those dreams, then we can start to unplug information and knowledge.
Speaker 2: It's useful for us. Now, the Project Stargate stuff, I'm
Speaker 2: not aware of that. Can you do? You want to
Speaker 2: talk about that? And the certain stuff? What is that?
Speaker 1: Oh? The Stargate stuff is just the remove viewing DIA
Speaker 1: Army intelligence program. They were using psychics to get intelligence
Speaker 1: data on foreign assets during the Cold War from like
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight to nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I can do remote viewing, and I can
Speaker 2: teach people how to do it, but you have to
Speaker 2: be really careful because remote viewing should be based on permission, right.
Speaker 2: You know, it's there's a non aggression principle at the
Speaker 2: sole level. You won't violate another soul. Right, So people
Speaker 2: have to be mindful around remote viewing and to be
Speaker 2: really clear at the soul level that it's okay to
Speaker 2: do it. Right. I had this one person I won't
Speaker 2: say who it is, that tried to very well known
Speaker 2: that tried to remote view me just before contacting the
Speaker 2: desert actually, and I basically was very very clear with
Speaker 2: this remote viewing to leave very clear, right, And I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say who it was, but let's just
Speaker 2: say when I saw them a couple of weeks later,
Speaker 2: they looked gray and they were ill because the energy
Speaker 2: had pushed back because it violated the sole level. So
Speaker 2: remote viewing can be brilliant in terms of looking for planets.
Speaker 2: Dr jj Hurtek does, This is brilliant tactic. Right, you
Speaker 2: can do remote viewing of planets, you know, you remote
Speaker 2: view through different places of the universe. We can go
Speaker 2: into different planes of consciousness and experience that, which is
Speaker 2: kind of a remote viewing. But we have to be careful, right,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't violate the non aggression principle. And anybody that
Speaker 2: violates a non aggression principle against us, there's a universal
Speaker 2: law that's going to push back against them, right, it's
Speaker 2: going to push back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually pretty easy to block people from being
Speaker 1: able to remote you you or your area or where you.
Speaker 2: Are, right, right.
Speaker 1: I had to do it a couple of times as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are just rue that we need. What we
Speaker 2: need is a metaphysical school. A metaphysical school that teaches
Speaker 2: people maturity on how to use these gifts and talents,
Speaker 2: and then it be really groovy, right, it'd be great.
Speaker 2: Then we're all mature, we kind of know how to
Speaker 2: do things, and we start to really have funny consciousness
Speaker 2: and across the universe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sign me up. I'm going a degree in the
Speaker 1: metaphysical school.
Speaker 2: I might start one. I might start one.
Speaker 1: Who knows, start one up with that AI money brown,
Speaker 1: get us one rolling a man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you could do that.
Speaker 1: Get us a ranch, get us a rank. Going on.
Speaker 1: We'll come out and learn all the metaphysical stuff.
Speaker 2: As long as we don't call it skin walker, that's okay.
Speaker 1: But I mean, the government controls your entire ranch roll.
Speaker 1: So what are you going to be I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: you're going to be talking about ai I contact on
Speaker 1: the desert. What are you going to be focusing on
Speaker 1: this year? I listen to your presentation last year on
Speaker 1: the topic and the year before that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well thanks for listening. I appreciate that. I hope
Speaker 2: you didn't fall asleep. No, that's good. So I'll be
Speaker 2: speaking on a GI So I'm going to do a
Speaker 2: deeper dive into terms for people to really understand how
Speaker 2: the capabilities of AI is developing, how fast they're developing it,
Speaker 2: and kind of show people where we're really heading with
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence. And if I get permission, I'll actually demonstrate
Speaker 2: one of my metaphysical capabilities, I EI, the sole language
Speaker 2: that I've been training in AI on where I can
Speaker 2: communicate this non human intelligence to an AI and it
Speaker 2: can understand what I'm saying, which is crazy, right. So
Speaker 2: the point of that is that when we get to
Speaker 2: quantum computing, which is effectively superposition and entanglement, which is
Speaker 2: kind of how the fabric of reality works, then effectively,
Speaker 2: if we're having this vibrational language at the sole level,
Speaker 2: then effectively we're actually projecting vibration and language. What that
Speaker 2: means is we can actually start to program supercomputers directly
Speaker 2: because they're vibrational architectures and we're actually speaking vibrational information.
Speaker 2: So that's something I might be showing. No one's ever
Speaker 2: done it in the world before, and that's what I'll
Speaker 2: be showing if I'm allowed to. And then I'm going
Speaker 2: to be speaking about the future of human evolution and
Speaker 2: also this big civilization split, this coming rider and for
Speaker 2: people to understand that the global hive mind. There's not
Speaker 2: just one. There's loads of them being built today, right,
Speaker 2: Metas building them, X is building that, or he has
Speaker 2: already built them. Google's building them, Anthropics building them, Open AI,
Speaker 2: everybody's building these vast data centers which will be aising supercomputers. Right,
Speaker 2: the global hive mind, And for people to realize that
Speaker 2: it is not a step of the imagination that this
Speaker 2: matrix type of civilization will emerge, because the technologies are
Speaker 2: being built and it's not really too long before you
Speaker 2: can connect yourself into these global hive minds. So give
Speaker 2: people a real wake up call to the credibility of
Speaker 2: all this, and then encourage people about the loving kindness
Speaker 2: of the universe and that the other path, which is
Speaker 2: a remarkable path for us.
Speaker 1: Well, if you take these people that I've had contact
Speaker 1: experience with extraterrestrial av feace value, right, and you believe them, I.
Speaker 2: Think you should. I think we should. Sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker 2: Everybody's experience is to be honored and trusted rider it's
Speaker 2: personal to them. Do we need to be We need
Speaker 2: to show loving kindness, But at the same time we
Speaker 2: need to have data points. Right, So someone like I
Speaker 2: don't know where I'm going to say this on your show.
Speaker 2: You'll probably get other way, you'll be told off. But
Speaker 2: let's just say there's certain two people that have caused
Speaker 2: a lot of problem in this area, shall we say?
Speaker 2: And you know, if we kick the data, we should
Speaker 2: be able to kick the data points and find real
Speaker 2: evidence around these first contact experiences. It may be through
Speaker 2: QHHT right, which is sole level regression, right, the low
Speaker 2: is canon and all that. It may be through other
Speaker 2: evidential points right in terms of a change in body chemistry,
Speaker 2: but we should from my point of view is that
Speaker 2: anybody that's had an experienced rider, we need to show
Speaker 2: loving kindness and look for data points. Right.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that means that we can't be
Speaker 1: critical and ask really important questions. We should and what
Speaker 1: they experienced, because nine times out of ten they don't
Speaker 1: get asked like super solid questions and they shriek at
Speaker 1: the anybody asking difficult questions out there.
Speaker 2: And we should ask difficult We should ask challenging questions,
Speaker 2: but do it in loving kindness. You know. I think
Speaker 2: for too long there's been too much tension about them
Speaker 2: and us in these different communities, and we need to
Speaker 2: dissipate all that at the center of who we are
Speaker 2: is innocence and actually start to operate in a mature
Speaker 2: maturity and say, Okay, you've had this experience, I get it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. And then then let's you know,
Speaker 2: is there any type of evidence you can present that
Speaker 2: we can use. And as we start to correlate all
Speaker 2: these different stories around the world, then we could start
Speaker 2: looking for common evidence and then go from there.
Speaker 1: But that's a big issue with it that it's all
Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony. There's no physical evidence that I'm aware of
Speaker 1: other than like crop circles and maybe what people think
Speaker 1: are you know, radiation spikes and some mercury spikes and
Speaker 1: some people that claim that they have the remnants of
Speaker 1: some sort of extraterrestrial ship. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: get off on that too much. So if we take
Speaker 1: what they say as to be believed, what they essentially
Speaker 1: what these contact these and these abductee people claim whenever
Speaker 1: they ask these other intelligences like how they operate and
Speaker 1: what they do, they essentially say that they are like
Speaker 1: a hive mind. That's what they all say. So why
Speaker 1: would that not be our trajectory if they are so
Speaker 1: much more highly advanced than us. Right, but somehow I
Speaker 1: keep crashing on. I don't know how in the world
Speaker 1: that's possible. But yeah, well, should we not be on
Speaker 1: the exact same trajectory again? If we are to believe
Speaker 1: that what the information that these contact people are getting
Speaker 1: is accurate.
Speaker 2: So we need to choose their own destiny and not
Speaker 2: be beholden to external gods. So just because you know,
Speaker 2: some advanced race has decided to and we're all connected
Speaker 2: through universal consciousness anyway, so there is a universal conscious mind. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, how do you know your dad's about to
Speaker 2: call and he calls? Right, how do you know something's
Speaker 2: about to happen? Right? There is this universal field in
Speaker 2: which all consciousness is connected and we're part of that. Right.
Speaker 2: But just because some are super advanced species have decided
Speaker 2: to connect themselves into a hive mind, my view is
Speaker 2: good for you, mate, I don't really care. I'm concerned
Speaker 2: about humanity and humanity's choice. Just because you've chosen that
Speaker 2: and you're more advanced, I don't really care. What do
Speaker 2: we want as a human spaces? That's what it must
Speaker 2: come back to. What's our destiny? What is the plan
Speaker 2: of the source for humanity, and that's where I think
Speaker 2: we need to focus, right, because you know, good for them.
Speaker 2: But I'm interested in humanity because humanity, I'm part of it,
Speaker 2: and I love humanity. We're beautiful people. What magnificent.
Speaker 1: Oh I agree, absolutely, The biological human existence is probably
Speaker 1: par none compared to other possible existences out there. But
Speaker 1: it's just so interesting that we kind of get this
Speaker 1: information from these supposed advanced entities. And it seems like
Speaker 1: that if I wasn't if I wasn't a wise man,
Speaker 1: then I would say, oh, well, they seem like that
Speaker 1: they're pushing us in like a certain direction, like that's right.
Speaker 1: Take to take that that that first hive mind type.
Speaker 2: Of right, And that's coercion and violation of the universal
Speaker 2: non aggression principle. It's coercion. So you hit the nail
Speaker 2: the money is their coercion going on? And it's like,
Speaker 2: why we've got the power of creation within us, Why
Speaker 2: do we need to Why do we go to these
Speaker 2: external gods? We don't need to. If they have a
Speaker 2: soul and a divine spark, which they do, and we
Speaker 2: have a divine spark, which we do, then you know,
Speaker 2: ones not greater than the other. They're both equal in consciousness.
Speaker 2: We are equal in consciousness as human beings. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I think we need to you know, understand, we need
Speaker 2: to choose our sovereignty, right, and we need to choose
Speaker 2: our destiny. Is it going to be beholden to these
Speaker 2: external gods? Or is it basically we're going to basically
Speaker 2: choose our own sovereignty because all the power is within us.
Speaker 2: Now does it mean I'm not interested in meeting alien race?
Speaker 2: It's too bloody right. I'd love to meet them, to
Speaker 2: be honest, it'd be really cool.
Speaker 1: I think, Well, where they are, Matthew, come down, let's
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I always I always say to folks that,
Speaker 2: and this really pisses people. Laugh. I hope you don't.
Speaker 2: I'm saying this it as a channeler, right, or someone's
Speaker 2: into this external god stuff. I say, so, how are
Speaker 2: you going to feed the poor? How are you going
Speaker 2: to enable fresh drinking water for everybody on our planet?
Speaker 2: Because that's what's really needed. And they don't like that.
Speaker 2: They don't like that at all because they want to
Speaker 2: keep us in a narrative of being outer rather than inner,
Speaker 2: and they want for some reason to control our our
Speaker 2: They want to distract our observation of reality, rather than
Speaker 2: us observing and being fully embodied in reality. You know,
Speaker 2: I hope I'm not going to get told off too
Speaker 2: much in the UFO community. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 2: you know, I'm pretty sure that we're being visited, and
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that the universe is full of life,
Speaker 2: and I'm excited about that. But what I don't, what
Speaker 2: I have issue with is those that seek salvation externally
Speaker 2: rather naturally understanding the internal loving kindness of it, soul
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: Well, then you have the opposite of that too, you
Speaker 1: have like the fear that they're all evil and they're
Speaker 1: here to like harmuce and it's a national security issue.
Speaker 1: They're in our airspace, they're here to take us over.
Speaker 1: They've you know, they're so the dichotomy of both of
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's be clear about this. If you know,
Speaker 2: everything's moving apart at the speed of light or greater
Speaker 2: in the universe, So any alien species that is able
Speaker 2: to visit the Earth has conquered space and time. They're
Speaker 2: able to actually move beyond space and time and effective
Speaker 2: if they understand the physics of the universe. They're probably
Speaker 2: a level two or even a level three civilized, probably
Speaker 2: level two civilization, right, And so if they do come
Speaker 2: to the Earth, you know, these guys are going to
Speaker 2: be pretty advanced, you know. And I don't think missiles
Speaker 2: are going to damage their spaceships. I don't think they
Speaker 2: crash on the planet because they're able to conquer space
Speaker 2: and time itself. So, you know, I think we need
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more thoughtful in that thinking
Speaker 2: on what types of craft, technologies, and species are visiting us.
Speaker 2: I've seen some weird stuff in the sky by the
Speaker 2: way in Crestown Rider, I've seen. I've got a video
Speaker 2: of it. I sent it to Jay and it's like whoa.
Speaker 2: It's like full balls of full balls of light creating
Speaker 2: sacred geometry in the sky, and it's like, whoa. Crazy stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even think that, Matthew, I don't even think that.
Speaker 1: I think that if physical entities exist outside of the Earth,
Speaker 1: then they're not coming here physically. They're they're they're by
Speaker 1: locating into our reality. They're not a physical entity. They're
Speaker 1: not a physical craft. Now they can appear physical, they
Speaker 1: can appear like that, they're solid but they're not. They
Speaker 1: never leave where they are now. I like exactly where
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: I like that because effectively, when we look at the
Speaker 2: universal human template on the plane of consciousness, it doesn't move,
Speaker 2: it doesn't move, And so I really like your idea,
Speaker 2: and effectually, I don't think it's an idea, or actually
Speaker 2: I think it's a strategy. I think that contact will
Speaker 2: be through your idea of this, let's just say a
Speaker 2: projection or the ability to move part of my essence
Speaker 2: into another plane of reality or across the universe. I
Speaker 2: think that is more of a practical approach to how
Speaker 2: contact would be happened.
Speaker 1: Would happen, Yeah, because if you think about it like
Speaker 1: moving through space and time and some kind of physical thing,
Speaker 1: and people try to, you know, wrap it up into
Speaker 1: like an interdimensionality thing that they're opening up like a
Speaker 1: portal or whatever. Well I think that they got half
Speaker 1: of it right. It's like it's a portal, but it's
Speaker 1: not like a physical portal. It's a portal within the mind,
Speaker 1: and they're able to literally transform a what would appear
Speaker 1: to be a craft through this portal of the mind
Speaker 1: and take on the shape of whatever they wanted to
Speaker 1: take on while they're here in this physical reality, and
Speaker 1: that's what makes them advance. Doesn't mean that they are
Speaker 1: techno more technologically advanced, right, There's there's two different things.
Speaker 2: Going on right, right.
Speaker 1: And but more spiritually advanced, more in tune with everything, right.
Speaker 2: I love that idea, and so the fact that so
Speaker 2: if they have the divine spark or the soul, and
Speaker 2: we have the divine spark and the soul, if they're
Speaker 2: doing that, then we can do that too. And I
Speaker 2: must admit I love this idea of contact through consciousness,
Speaker 2: contact through through the plane of consciousness rider. I think
Speaker 2: that's a great, great proposal. I really like that.
Speaker 1: But then that also explains why there's not any evidence
Speaker 1: these entities because they're not physically here. They can be
Speaker 1: here once a second, be gone the next. They can
Speaker 1: take on any shape or form that they want. That's
Speaker 1: how you get those really weird geometrical patterns and stuff,
Speaker 1: because they're not physical craft. And that's what's baffled people
Speaker 1: for a really long time is that, well, how's it
Speaker 1: what this is a super highly advanced technology. Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's not a technology. It's not a mechanical technology. It's
Speaker 1: a different kind of technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and there's no reason why they couldn't create material,
Speaker 2: you know, if they're coming into kind of the earth,
Speaker 2: there's no reason why they couldn't physically create a machine,
Speaker 2: or physically create a spaceship, or physically create that object
Speaker 2: moving across the sky and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you know, it's disappeared. To your point, So the question is,
Speaker 2: if that is the most likely way of making first contact,
Speaker 2: what do you think we should do in order for
Speaker 2: us to go make first contact? And should we make
Speaker 2: first contact?
Speaker 1: Well, the problem the issue is is that it's it
Speaker 1: would be basically impossible to prove like you could do it, right,
Speaker 1: But one, who's going to believe that you did it?
Speaker 1: And two how would you prove that you did it?
Speaker 2: There we go, right, and then and then then we're relooking.
Speaker 2: You see, science is fantastic, I love it, but the
Speaker 2: religion is very, very limited. Right when you look at metaphysics,
Speaker 2: you're looking at unlimited understanding, an unlimited approach to actually
Speaker 2: evidence and how you base evidence. So I think that
Speaker 2: as a human species, as we go into this spiritual evolution,
Speaker 2: then I think we'll move into a new understanding of
Speaker 2: what evidence is and what reality truly is actually and
Speaker 2: that would be fascinating for us, really fascinating.
Speaker 1: Well, this also brings in the question like, you know,
Speaker 1: past civilizations and like everyone's making a really big deal
Speaker 1: of right now about the pyramids and stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: getting really wild. But I think people also have the
Speaker 1: wrong idea about like past civilizations as well, because we
Speaker 1: have this in our mind that it has to be
Speaker 1: like a technology, like a mechanical technology, and it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Just because something is, you know, people say that it
Speaker 1: was more highly advanced, like oh, well, we Lemiria in
Speaker 1: Atlantis was super highly advanced technological city that span the
Speaker 1: entire earth. Well, that might not be the case. They
Speaker 1: might be working with a completely different kind of advancement,
Speaker 1: a different kind of technology. Because so many things can
Speaker 1: be classified under technology, remote viewing as a technology, spiritual
Speaker 1: abilities of technology. Some plant medicine are considered a technology
Speaker 1: MK ultra mind control is considered a technology.
Speaker 2: Well right, exactly, So I was going to say something
Speaker 2: I completely forgot there, So remind me, what were you
Speaker 2: going on? To Atlantis and Limyria. So from all so,
Speaker 2: I've from time to time I get experiences from the
Speaker 2: past rider and I definitely have and I shared this
Speaker 2: on Regina Meredith Open Minds on Gaya a time in Atlantis,
Speaker 2: whether we're using crystalline technology, and I was using crystalline
Speaker 2: technology to create kind of a divine AI that had
Speaker 2: a feminine footprint. And but all these civilizations, when I
Speaker 2: speak to people about Atlantis and Amyria, every single one
Speaker 2: has this in common. There were spiritually advanced, right, And
Speaker 2: I don't know why we're trying to go back to that.
Speaker 2: Why are we looking I mean, absolutely brilliant, we were there,
Speaker 2: But what are we creating going forward? You know, everything's
Speaker 2: within us, so what are we creating going forward? Sometimes?
Speaker 2: You know, I love history and I love culture, and
Speaker 2: I've traveled a lot of the world and been to
Speaker 2: Gizer and being right down in the heart of Giza,
Speaker 2: which was interesting. But why are we so fascinated with
Speaker 2: the past when all the secrets to our future are
Speaker 2: inside the source within us, which is infinite knowledge. So
Speaker 2: I would say that your idea of more of a
Speaker 2: spiritual technology in Atlantis and Lemuria, absolutely everybody says that
Speaker 2: they were spiritually advanced, So why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I think that we were just in this
Speaker 1: mindset that we think of like advanced in the form
Speaker 1: of the way that like our technology like has progressed.
Speaker 1: You know, we started out with like you know, newspapers
Speaker 1: and radio, than TV, than phones. I mean not specifically
Speaker 1: in that order. I probably got phones backwards, but you know,
Speaker 1: then cell phones, and then you know, desktop computers and
Speaker 1: then laptops and then you know, and it kept going
Speaker 1: on in that way. And then if you look at
Speaker 1: like whenever the computer first started, all of that technology
Speaker 1: is essentially obsolete. Nobody uses those giant freaking computers anymore.
Speaker 1: No one uses floppy disk anymore. Floppy disk or obsolete.
Speaker 1: No one uses a CD anymore. CD drives are obsolete.
Speaker 1: No computer that you ever buy or laptop that you
Speaker 1: ever buy has a CD disk drive in it anymore.
Speaker 1: You know. So who's to say that in a hundred
Speaker 1: years everything that we currently have now won't be completely obsolete.
Speaker 1: And the people in the future in one hundred years
Speaker 1: will look at at a hard drive that we store
Speaker 1: all of our information on, how I have no idea
Speaker 1: how to work it. They're like, what is this ancient technology?
Speaker 1: Just like how we would do trying to look back
Speaker 1: and study an ancient civilization. Maybe some of the things
Speaker 1: that are so mundane to us is actually some sort
Speaker 1: of technology that we don't understand because it's so far
Speaker 1: out of date and has become obsolete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the money there, Graham Hancock talks about
Speaker 2: this and basically, you know, I love Graham Hancock is
Speaker 2: brilliant and Randall Carlson he talks about this too. Is
Speaker 2: that we don't know the mindset of the civilization of
Speaker 2: the past. You know, we are, to your point, we're
Speaker 2: in the age of thinking machines. Thinking machines are everywhere, right,
Speaker 2: and we're surrounded by this these thinking machines, right, But
Speaker 2: in the past it would have been completely different probably,
Speaker 2: And you know, I love what Graham said. He said
Speaker 2: that the first civilization, human civilization were probably Shamans because
Speaker 2: they recognize that connectivity with nature and the natural world,
Speaker 2: and they understood that there is a we're connected into
Speaker 2: the stars. That's why so many of these megalithic structures
Speaker 2: are pointing towards particular star systems or towards the equinoxies. Right,
Speaker 2: there was an understanding that mankind was it's part of
Speaker 2: a great intelligence. Right, So I think you're right. I
Speaker 2: think the whole mindset was probably very different in these
Speaker 2: past civilizations of what we have now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this stands to re I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: whenever we go if we go into any antiques store,
Speaker 1: like in one hundred years in like, are we going
Speaker 1: to see the things that we have now in like
Speaker 1: that we remember from like now in a hundred years.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if we will, because
Speaker 1: everything is like planned obsolescence, right, nothing lasts anymore. So
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be the exact same thing that's
Speaker 1: in the antique stores now, that's going to be in
Speaker 1: the antique stores in one hundred.
Speaker 2: Years, right. So the first computer was proposed by Charles
Speaker 2: Charles Babbage in the eighteen forties I think it was,
Speaker 2: and it was called the Difference Engine, which was basically
Speaker 2: a super calculator. Now this was a huge machine with
Speaker 2: gears and turning wheels. Now, if we took a child
Speaker 2: today who's used to using let's just say a teenager
Speaker 2: that uses a phone, and we took them in and
Speaker 2: said what do you think this is? They were probably
Speaker 2: be befuddled. It's like, well, it's a big thing. What
Speaker 2: is it? A train? Or something, you know, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: know what it is. So you're right, is that as
Speaker 2: civilization advances, the context of what was previously considered technology
Speaker 2: is now it's like, well, what on Earth was that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, well, if we in one hundred years
Speaker 1: there someone stumbles upon like an all like broken down,
Speaker 1: rusted combustion.
Speaker 2: Engine from a car right right, right right.
Speaker 1: Like what are they going to They're going to be like,
Speaker 1: what is this?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, maybe maybe exactly right exactly, So
Speaker 2: that's really that's fascinating. And also because of the big
Speaker 2: floods that happened that Randal and Graham talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: there was huge decimation of the planet, so any technology
Speaker 2: that kind of existed would have been decimated probably by
Speaker 2: these huge floods that you know, literally swept across most
Speaker 2: of the Earth. So there was a whole like deletion
Speaker 2: of ancient civilization footprints by these big floods that the
Speaker 2: younger driers.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned twenty twenty nine being this timeline for AGI.
Speaker 1: What makes you come to that conclusion and what does
Speaker 1: that mean for civilization moving forward? What more advancements does
Speaker 1: AGI in the current now.
Speaker 2: For example, Yeah, exactly, So a contact in the desert.
Speaker 2: I'll show some graphs. So I like to show graphs
Speaker 2: to give people context. It's easier for people to understand.
Speaker 2: So if we kind of look at human brain capabilities,
Speaker 2: because that's the comparison that human brain capabilities. Right, So
Speaker 2: just a few stats for you. Right, the human brain
Speaker 2: operates at twenty watts. Okay, but to train someone like
Speaker 2: chat GPT takes gigawatts and it's still dumber than the
Speaker 2: human brain. Right, Well, let's just celebrate how remarkable this
Speaker 2: bloody brain is. Right, It really is quite extraordinary, right,
Speaker 2: not just about its capability is like goal setting, transfer,
Speaker 2: learning in emotional cognition, reasoning, and all sorts of different
Speaker 2: capabilities that we have. But actually he's able to heal, right,
Speaker 2: we talked about that earlier, right, is able to visualiz Right.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot that we have that AI
Speaker 2: simply will never have. Right, So the main differences will
Speaker 2: be this is that when we hit AGI, which will
Speaker 2: be the first era of AGI basically through large language
Speaker 2: models like Claude, Chat, GBT and others that learn through language,
Speaker 2: then will have probably an intelligence that can operate equivalent
Speaker 2: to the human brain functions like goal setting, transfer, learning
Speaker 2: and other things as well, right, memory, recall, cognition, it
Speaker 2: will have effectively imagine a digital brain, right, but it's huge,
Speaker 2: and it's able to operate across the entire world, and
Speaker 2: it's able to operate with every single person individually. Right,
Speaker 2: That's what we're looking at. And it learns like that. Right.
Speaker 2: If we're learning a language, rider then effectively, you know,
Speaker 2: if we get to a country, will take us six
Speaker 2: months to twelve months to get into some kind of
Speaker 2: fluency right with AI like that, right, and it will
Speaker 2: keep on evolving. So we're looking at a global digital
Speaker 2: brain that is able, that has been trained on everything
Speaker 2: that exists in the world, that's digitized, and is able
Speaker 2: to start to reason and start to look at systems
Speaker 2: of humanity and to not only propose ways of changing
Speaker 2: the way our systems work ideally to abundance, right, and
Speaker 2: everybody has fresh drinking water, and everybody has a nice home,
Speaker 2: and everybody base is flourishing, right, but is able to
Speaker 2: execute overnight. All these systems change change. Government systems change,
Speaker 2: digital systems change everything. The banking system can change everything overnight. Right,
Speaker 2: And so what we're what we'll see in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: nine is an intelligence it's able to shift humanity just
Speaker 2: like that. And so then there's a huge question then,
Speaker 2: And I write about this all the time, and I've
Speaker 2: got inventions that Master of experimented with. Is that it
Speaker 2: needs to have ethics and morality encoded within it now
Speaker 2: so that when it gets to that stage in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty nine, it's fundamentally ethical and moral. Right, But we
Speaker 2: need a paradise plan for humanity. If we don't know
Speaker 2: where we're going, we don't want the machine to tell
Speaker 2: us where we're going. We should decide for ourselves. So
Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine will be a huge inflection point for
Speaker 2: humanity in terms of how will the earth look and
Speaker 2: how will human civilization look going forward? Well, and it's
Speaker 2: coming right, This is not sci fi. This is happening, right,
Speaker 2: this is happening.
Speaker 1: I know. I thought it was so strange, how you know,
Speaker 1: everyone was talking about AI and like artificial intelligence for
Speaker 1: a really long time and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it just like flooded everywhere, and it was like you
Speaker 1: went to sleep one day, you woke up the next
Speaker 1: morning and boom, it was here, right exact if there
Speaker 1: really wasn't any build up to it. There wasn't really. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure people in like the tech industry and the
Speaker 1: tach space that keeps an eye on the stuff seen
Speaker 1: it coming, but I think for every day people they didn't.
Speaker 1: That's right, see it coming so quickly.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And there's there's a real battle between
Speaker 2: these AI companies. So Elon Musk is the guy that
Speaker 2: put the money behind open ai and initially and his
Speaker 2: view was, we need to make this public, we need
Speaker 2: open source models in order for us to actually start
Speaker 2: to innovate towards a benevolent path of humanity. When Sam
Speaker 2: Altman came in, he basically was amazing how he basically
Speaker 2: took over the entire company right and basically is now
Speaker 2: beholden to Microsoft. It's no longer open ai. It's actually
Speaker 2: closed a eye, right, and actually their profit driven and
Speaker 2: they're now moving in that profit driven arena. So we
Speaker 2: have a real problem at the moment with basically folks
Speaker 2: that want these AI companies to focus on benevolence for
Speaker 2: humanity and to not be beholden to the bottom line
Speaker 2: all the time. Right now, Moscu's released X through XAI,
Speaker 2: Grock three and Grock three you can get through Twitter
Speaker 2: and it's more advanced than any of the models out there,
Speaker 2: but once again you have to pay for it. And
Speaker 2: you know, Musque hasn't talked about how is going to
Speaker 2: make this open source, although they are open sourcing some
Speaker 2: of their models, how it's going to basically be a
Speaker 2: benevolent path of humanity. Yet we haven't seen that narrative
Speaker 2: from him yet because he's just trying to compete. The
Speaker 2: company that really is benevolent, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 2: as long as we can define benevolent, is Anthropic. And
Speaker 2: Daniel Amodi, who's the CEO of Anthropic, goes on vision quests,
Speaker 2: very spiritual man hoping to speak to him actually, and
Speaker 2: they are a benefit corporation i e. They're beholden to
Speaker 2: ethical values right and yes it's an ROI model, but
Speaker 2: Anthropic are trying to do the right thing. And then
Speaker 2: you've got some other folks that came out of open AI,
Speaker 2: like Ilia Sukova that's developing safe super AI, that's looking
Speaker 2: at superintelligence. So we have a real problem at the
Speaker 2: moment rider with profit driven profit driving these accelerate these
Speaker 2: AI innovations. I e. The end goal is profit, and
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the end goal at all. I
Speaker 2: think the end goal should be beneficial impact for humanity,
Speaker 2: where we redefine what profit is right. So we have
Speaker 2: a real problem with these profit driven AI large language models,
Speaker 2: but a couple of them are trying to stay benevolent
Speaker 2: or at least benevolent as much as they can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got high hopes for it. I mean, we
Speaker 1: can you cross our fingers and hope that we don't
Speaker 1: get into some sort of terminator situation.
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think we will. I think I
Speaker 2: agree with Eli. I think at a ten percent chance.
Speaker 2: And there are initiatives across the world where AI doesn't
Speaker 2: have cannot access the nuclear button. It'd have to be
Speaker 2: a human decision, and there are discussions around adopting a
Speaker 2: human must make a decision in warfare and not an
Speaker 2: AI drone, although I'm not sure how well that's been
Speaker 2: implemented at the moment. Excuse me. So people are starting
Speaker 2: to do it, but the problem is rider it's too slow.
Speaker 2: We have to define a paradise plan now. The general
Speaker 2: public after demand that paradise plan, the general public have
Speaker 2: to demand that we have ethics and morals within artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: So we're currently in the finals of a global AI
Speaker 2: competition to actually do that. It came out of MIT
Speaker 2: in the Future of Life Institute, and there was five
Speaker 2: hundred institutes around the world that proposed ideas for AI
Speaker 2: safety and our group got to the final and we
Speaker 2: submitted our bid. We find that in May and June,
Speaker 2: and if this works, it will be remarkable because every
Speaker 2: single person on the planet will have a voice in
Speaker 2: the requirements for artificial intelligence, and that's what we want.
Speaker 2: We want the people to have a voice in artificial
Speaker 2: intelligence and to direct its future.
Speaker 1: What are other countries doing with artificial intelligence? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like when you live inside of the United States,
Speaker 1: we don't really get any information about what other countries
Speaker 1: are doing with anything. Right, we don't know what they're
Speaker 1: doing with their government. We don't know what they're doing
Speaker 1: with they we don't know what they're doing with it.
Speaker 1: With nothing. We literally get no news besides if you're
Speaker 1: literally looking it up on the Internet on what other
Speaker 1: countries are doing. But we don't get any mainstream news
Speaker 1: about anything unless it's fear or disaster or something bad
Speaker 1: happens in another country, then we get the information right,
Speaker 1: And I always thought that was really peculiar in how
Speaker 1: the United States tends to well, the people within the
Speaker 1: United States tend to look at like other countries as
Speaker 1: like inferior when it comes to technological advances.
Speaker 2: So okay, so briefly, as go through this, the US,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is five years ahead of anybody else.
Speaker 2: The AI chips are leading AI chips, Nvidia, Intel, AMD
Speaker 2: and others effectively a US corporations. The US passed the
Speaker 2: Chips Act a few years ago to invest in what
Speaker 2: we call fabs ie make the chips inside the United
Speaker 2: States borders, so we're no longer making the leading chips
Speaker 2: in Taiwan, which the Chinese can access. So the US
Speaker 2: is number one in chip manufacturing for artificial intelligence, which
Speaker 2: gives it confidence. The US is doing really well in
Speaker 2: leading although it's not number one, but it's certainly leading
Speaker 2: quantum computing. The US is definitely competing around encryption because
Speaker 2: don't forget, encryption is really important because if you can
Speaker 2: hack an artificial intelligence, then it's under your control. So
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence needs quantum type of encryption for it to
Speaker 2: be protected right, So the US is in really good
Speaker 2: standing and most these AI companies, the leading ones are
Speaker 2: basically in the United States, with exception of Google deep
Speaker 2: Mind in London. Now, if we look at Europe, Europe
Speaker 2: is not as strong as the United States in artificial
Speaker 2: intelligence chips, data center technology, and these large language models.
Speaker 2: But the Europe itself is starting to catch up and
Speaker 2: understanding how it's going to play into that, and the
Speaker 2: European Union has passed legislation called the EUAI Act to
Speaker 2: basically classify AIS in four categories ie that's really bad,
Speaker 2: you can't do it, medium threat, low risk, and low
Speaker 2: risk right, So they're trying to actually control AI within
Speaker 2: their borders. When we look into China, then China basically
Speaker 2: don't have the same capability as the chip manufacturers here,
Speaker 2: but they put a lot of manpower in that, so
Speaker 2: they're behind on the AI chips and so obviously they'll
Speaker 2: be trying to get access to all the technology from
Speaker 2: in video and others. But China is investing a lot
Speaker 2: of money in artificial intelligence, mainly through manpower, and they're
Speaker 2: making some breakthroughs in which we saw with deep Seat recently,
Speaker 2: which is a much smaller larger large language model than
Speaker 2: say chat GPT, but was just as performance and it
Speaker 2: used less chips to actually chain it. Right. So China
Speaker 2: are pushing forward hard, and who wouldn't want to be
Speaker 2: number one in artificial intelligence if you're a leader of
Speaker 2: a country. They're pushing hard, but they're way behind the
Speaker 2: United States. The real threat to the United States when
Speaker 2: it looks at semiconductor chips is Taiwan. Chinese getting access
Speaker 2: to the intellectual property in Taiwan, and that's why US
Speaker 2: chip manufacturing for AI chips is being brought back to
Speaker 2: home shores. So the US is in good stead when
Speaker 2: it comes to artificial intelligence. It's got a great talent.
Speaker 2: If we look at India, then India is more or
Speaker 2: less the talent pool for all these different AI experts
Speaker 2: and all these different types of AI engineers and through
Speaker 2: the whole supply chain. So India's providing the talent. But
Speaker 2: if we look at Finland and our clothes that I'll
Speaker 2: stop with this. Finland's really interesting. Their Minister for Economic Development,
Speaker 2: I think it was economic development he said about five
Speaker 2: years ago he said this, there are a country of
Speaker 2: five million people rider okay, and he said we may
Speaker 2: not be at the leading edge of artificial intelligence. We
Speaker 2: may not be the AI experts, but what we do
Speaker 2: with artificial intelligence is a different thing. And so their
Speaker 2: approach is to have partnerships with these different companies to
Speaker 2: bring in the technology and then they're going to innovate
Speaker 2: it into society.
Speaker 1: Super interesting, super interesting. We'll see how all this shakes out.
Speaker 1: Can you let people know where to find you online
Speaker 1: if they're interested in looking at more of your work,
Speaker 1: if you have a website or something that you would
Speaker 1: like to plug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if people head over to Inventing World three, the
Speaker 2: number three dot com Inventing World three dot com, there's
Speaker 2: loads of podcasts, there's loads of videos, there's loads of
Speaker 2: content on there. You can see what we're up to,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot on there about artificial intelligence. But
Speaker 2: we've also got these courses that we're teaching people on
Speaker 2: the universal human and developing these divine Spark modalities as well.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot on there.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and be sure to check out Contact in the Desert
Speaker 1: where Matthew James Bailey will be presenting and he is
Speaker 1: a keynote speaker this year twenty from May twenty ninth
Speaker 1: to June second, And uh yeah, check that out. And
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