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Speaker 2: How are you doing, Adam, I'm doing great, and Lance

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is a recurring guest, but he has his own show,

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so I just want to make sure that Lance gets

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an opportunity to mention that. But I'm thankful that you

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had us both on Hey problem how you doing, Lance.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. I'm a

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big fan, by the way, so thank you for having

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me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. What show do you do on your own?

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Speaker 3: So I do Lance's Legion and I do a bunch

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of military kind of esque related things, also political kind

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of analyzes and stuff like that. But it's more theory

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and just interesting military stuff. But I've been on a

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h anti communist bentz from the Cold War era, and

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so this becomes salient to me. I'm very excited to

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be talking about the Revolution of sixty eight with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, if you're your anti communist stuff, I would

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love to hear what you have. What you think of

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Thomas's take on the Cold War?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know like ten

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parts on that, but I can't keep up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's funny. We spoke.

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Speaker 3: We spoke when Henry Kissinger passed away. It was actually

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very interesting. He had to be a lot of interesting

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things to say. Oh you spoke to him, Yeah, yeah,

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a while agoing on the X spaces that there is.

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But yeah, absolutely, I don't want to take away from

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from what's going on right here, but let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Sure. So the I guess the reason we're getting together

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is that Carrie Bolton released a book called through Antelope

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Pill Press, Generation sixty eight, The Elite Revolution and its

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Legacy start with Adam And you guys can go back

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and forth. I don't you know? What?

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Speaker 4: Do?

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Speaker 1: What you do? What? What's the interest in generation sixty eight?

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Speaker 4: What you know?

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Speaker 1: The sixties was the big deal.

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Speaker 2: Aside from the media always portraying it as like the

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best era ever, I'm not even sure if it pales

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and compares in the World War Two. I mean the

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amount of media that Woodstock and the heat Ashbury and

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the Hell's Angels, all that, all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: It's so glamorized.

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Speaker 2: And my parents actually grew up in that sort of

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time and know some of it from a personal level,

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not from partaking in it, but just having been caught

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up in it. And they can tell me at least

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that they I was played up a lot. Now, a

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lot of it was obviously true, but it was definitely glamorized.

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its faces, you can't get.

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Speaker 4: Away from it.

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Speaker 2: Now it has deeper implications as well, and those are

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more complicated, and I think the book does a good

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job tying it to some of the elite powers that

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were actually either co opting it, funding it directly, trying

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to steer it, or trying to deflect it away from them,

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because it was very much sort of a cultural revolution

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in the West in a time when communism seemed to

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lot of people, and in the implications are still the

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mindset is still stuck in their heads. And you can

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we just cannot get away from.

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Speaker 3: Them, the boom set, no, absolutely. And I think the

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subversion policies and general subversion, Soviet subversion of the United States,

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and a lot of it comes to its fruition during

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this time. Obviously, this is something that most Americans are

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it focuses specifically on the paradigm of the Second World War. However,

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it's absolutely necessary to be kind of reviewing and passing

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the things he starts talking out about

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is the idea of the inclusive economy, which was heavily

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promoted by the Rockefeller Foundation. And when I look at that,

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the civil rights error, the Civil Rights Act, and a

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plan to basically shape an economy around everyone everyone's needs

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and not to you know, not to embrace my my

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Austrian economics background. You know that, I question strongly. I

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was that was wonderful. That was that was very edifying

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because I really need to read that book. I've studied.

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they were trying to create and it just it seems

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like it's a it's just a straight reflection of the

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kind of society that they wanted to create, and the

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and we saw it just became one of tension. You know.

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the whole book, and we saw what integrating the schools

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did and basically now you're looking to integrate the economy

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in just about the same way. And to me, that

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just seems like an ultimate disaster.

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Speaker 2: There's a there's a movie out there by one of

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these documentary guys on the dissident right, and it was

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by the title of Communism by the back Door, and

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good and I really think that it sort of encapsulates

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what's going on here, and it's it's easy to sort

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of label things. Maybe communism isn't the best descriptor, but

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compliment you, Pete, I listened to one of your shows

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that you did with Yuri Maltsaf and if anybody hasn't

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Speaker 1: You really were to You really were digging deep, weren't you.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: It was fantastic because he grew up in the Soviet

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Union and he clarified what marks defined communism as correctly,

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but colloquially, when we call communism communism, we're actually talking

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about socialism. But communism was a government free society that

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everybody was an angel, and they did everything they're supposed

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to do, and you would go and get what you

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need and produce for other people without them asking.

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Speaker 4: It's a fantasy, but it grabs hold of people who.

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Speaker 2: Are probably missing out in their own society and they

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want something and they want the government or they want

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the ideology to provide for them. And I think that's

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really encapsulating. What was going on in the sixties was

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there were these opposition forces outside of the West that

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had alternative systems, and the powers that be in the

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West were like, Okay, we don't want to lose power,

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and we don't want to necessarily hand it over to

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the polop Bureau, but we need like the Rockefellers in particular,

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and the Fords get mentioned and other people, but the

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Rockefellers are recurring throughout this book.

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Speaker 4: They I think, and you could say the Rothschilds or

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anybody like that.

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Speaker 2: They want to sort of keep their power, but do

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it in a hidden way, through the back door, so

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that it's not obvious that they're pulling a lot of

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the strings. And David Rockefeller actually ran for he had

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governor of New York. That's as bad as political as

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they got. But a lot of their power was through

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the foundations. They set up the Museum of Modern Art,

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which had relationships with the CIA and stuff like that.

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a diffuse way that actually works only in a sort

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of quasi democratic system where people have a sense that

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they can elect those that represent them. And I've said

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this over and over on my show, but there was

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a very good academic research paper by two professors by

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the name of Gillen's and Paige, and they observed that

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the correlation between the opinions of the masses, the voters basically,

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and what Congress does is almost zero. So in effect,

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you're voting doesn't change anything in Congress. But what does

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change Congress is the donor class. And these are the

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they go through the civil rights movement, setting up modern art,

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doing all these other things. And it's really kind of

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a secretive, backdoor thing. And is it really communism, I

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don't know. It's maybe a form of corporatism, but it's

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basically an elite power system. And you can look at

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where Davos is and it's kind of a global version

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of that. But you know, the Rockefellers, you know, funded

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the un and they built that whole thing, and they've

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donated the land. And you can start to see once

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you have that much power and wealth, you start thinking

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even your nation. And so I think it's an interesting

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evolution of thought that probably can be traced back to

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the end of the Second World War, and it really

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mister Maltsovon, because I thought he spoke from genuine authority,

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giving that he lived in the Soviet Union and he

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saw the horrors of it, and he saw how many

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people that system killed, not just in Russia but in

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China and everywhere else that was tried. And he's banging

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students who don't want to hear it because they live

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in a nice society and they're kind of spoiled, and

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they're kind of like the kids after World War Two

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where their parents fought in.

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Speaker 4: The war and they had had.

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Speaker 2: Them and they didn't really have to struggle. And I

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don't know what causes this, but it's it's interesting, and

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nonsense and so but we'll maybe get to that later

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as to like how it's affecting today.

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by stating that he, in his opinion, the election of

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Biden is a resumption of the globalist's agenda along with

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the new Left, which represents groups like Antifa, and they

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continues to agitate in the streets to make the country ungovernable.

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I know when we hear the term global ast, we

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immediately think of Alex Jones. But what was what's your

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opinion on either one of you on Bolton's take there?

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Speaker 3: Do you mind if I take this?

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Speaker 4: Go for it.

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Speaker 3: So my understanding, especially when you delve into the kind

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of Marxian stratum of the United States especially, is that

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the origins and the roots of our leftists generally come

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from Gramsci communism, which is a different brand than Marxist

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Leninism or Maoism and primarily focuses on cultural questions as

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the vehicle for social, societal economic change downstream. And for

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those of you who don't know Antonio Grahams, she is

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this guy who was an Italian communist who was imprisoned

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under Mussolini, who stayed in prison for twenty years, wrote

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this thing called the Prison Notebooks, and in them he

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an effective vehicle for revolution, nor is it efficacious in

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society anglosphere, we are irrational, and to form irrational opinions

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and condition them into humans is a quite different vehicle

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cultural power first and then through that while maintaining of

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and condition a difference of revolution cultural revolution. This has

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the highest levels of governance as well as education were

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Soviet sphere or had close ties and so on and

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different individuals. Now, this is important because I think, especially

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into the monetary power. But I think it's important to

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where it talks about, for instance, women's liberation. This is

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why this is so important because social questions figure pre

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you notice that, I mean, maybe push back on me,

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but that's just my personal view of how things kind

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figure out, which is something that actually libertarians don't have

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an answer for, is that Graham she could figured out

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how to radicalize the private. The whole idea of the

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whole idea of Marxism was you were going to take over,

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take over the state, and you know, eventually it went

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awayh YadA, YadA. I mean, there's a lot more in

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between I can go through lenin two. But the gram

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inclusive economy, you and once you grasp that concept, then

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you understand why DEEI is here, You understand why ESG

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trans people in every every third or fourth commercial. Precisely

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all of this needs to be brought in. And this

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is this is a direct result of Grams. She understanding

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that Sombart wrote a book, Verner Sombart wrote them why

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is there no socialism in America? And basically because I

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mean simply, people like to own shit, And that's what

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he came down to. So once once somebody like gram

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got to figure out a way around this and radicalizing

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figuring out how to radicalize the private you know, which

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basically defend that, well, it's a private company, bro, they

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can do what they want, and they don't realize that

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the social engineers are at work. And you know, one

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they libertarianism has no answer for social engineers, and neither

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does neither does republicanism, conservatism pretty much anybody accept this

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progressive worldview precisely, precisely.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I'm hearing you both speak, I just hear

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this term cultural Marxism pop up, and it's funny. I

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don't even know if the left uses that term.

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Speaker 4: I've only heard it at right.

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Speaker 1: That's why I don't use it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know what it means, but it

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just my rough understanding and maybe correct me here is

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that it's just an attempt at Marxism obviously, I think,

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at least by other means. And it's not necessarily through

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getting people to voluntarily join this giant global corp that

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owns everything and you own nothing, although Klaus Schwab would

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like that, but he's dying apparently.

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Speaker 4: But they'll find somebody else, though. But I think I've.

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Speaker 2: Heard in America in particular, that a lot of these

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left type people observe that, as you just said, people

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like to own stuff, and so we need another way

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to get to Marxism. And maybe it's through culture. Maybe

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it's through race, And I think the race relations are

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Speaker 4: Vector for that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the book talks about black panthers. Nowadays it's

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blacks are such a minority frankly that it's more hispanics

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and stuff like that. But there's just a lot of

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different groups, and using the different groups against each other

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to fracture the sort of remaining wasp elite. I guess

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that supposedly still there. It doesn't seem to be there anymore,

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but I think that's been a huge vector. Now call

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it what you want, I don't know, but I think

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that there's some truth to that.

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing is it's the same dialectic, however. I mean,

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it's I probably saying something that you boys already know.

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or the proletary against the BOURGEOISI The same dialectic maintains,

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except it's the oppressed versus the oppressor, and that paradigm

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anyone perceived to be the oppressed has the upper hand.

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and so and secondly, I don't mind us actually generating

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terminology and culture ourselves. That's precisely what we need to

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start doing, is actually being self confident in our own

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academic terms, our own type of language, because when you

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start using the frame of your adversary.

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Speaker 1: You lose.

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Speaker 3: So, yes, it is good that we use terms such

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as cultural Marxism and other kinds of terminology that they

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don't use because it's advantageous to us because it advances

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our paradigm. So I'll just leave it there. But Pete,

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do you have anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to I was going to say

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that the you know, when you look at what gram

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she was teaching, well, Gram, she's writing from jail. And

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even though he well, you need a way to get

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this out there, you need a way to communicate this

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to the masses. You need a way for the masses

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to buy in. And even though he predates in gram

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sheet in his activity, I would say that probably, I

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don't know, you can push back on this, that probably

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no one did more to help to push forward at

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least the spirit of what she was talking about, more

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than Edward Berne's springs up in the second chapter. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, And you're precisely right. The reason why I bring

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Crumb She's because it provides US Westerners who are unfamiliar,

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especially if you're not an autistics bog such as myself

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researching all this kind of stuff. It gives people the

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starting block, right, And I'm really grateful. I'm grateful for

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this book because it really goes into fleshing out and

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the later acolytes of gram Shee downstream, because they are

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really effectual. I mean, look at society the world now.

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every aspect of the West. It's infected even Russia for instance,

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and the p RC as well, or the People's Republic

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of China by the way. So it's it's incredibly effective

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and the answer must be found, and I guess that's

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what we're doing here, is trying to find it through

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this book, you know.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things he talks about in there

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in the book is that uh Brene's seeking to advise

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the c i A on its ideological offensive against the

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writes in there is that the New Left, rather than

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being a Soviet a Soviet plot more had its origins

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in the in the Cold War, which I think anybody

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who's looked at the U the foundation of where of

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the Trotskyites in the United States and crossing over into

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neo Conservatism and then just carrying on through the Cold War,

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that doesn't come as a surprise to many.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I mean to add on to that, I

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think there is a lot of I mean, if you

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read Stalin's work, for instance, by Sean mcmakon, it's he

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makes a compelling case to talk about the deep socialist

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integration with the American government in the twenties and thirties,

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and obviously that bear fruit during World War Two and

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our close association with Uncle Joe. But I don't think

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the so you noticed that a lot of these individuals

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that were moles or you know, actors for the Soviet

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Union during the war and a little bit after their

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disassociation with the Soviet Union is probably genuine. I believe

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what happened was primarily America became a Pinko state with

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its own unique brand of communism. And it's basically too

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common in the States to communist ideologies with their own

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paradigms battling each other out. Very interesting kind of paradigm

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to see. And I think the you know, you hear

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Yuri besman Off, everyone talks about him, I'm not really

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so sanguine on him. But he does make the point

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that a lot of KGBA officers felt that if the

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Cold War had permanence another thirty years, that they would

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have won, and I really doubt that. I think that

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what would have happened is just that America would have

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just gone a lot more crazy, you know, it just

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continued to be what it is today.

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Speaker 2: Well, just going going back to the premise that the

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Soviets and the Americans are not that different, I think

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is kind of interesting and I'll completely agree. But I

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think the book does put forward the notion that after

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the end of the war, both sides wanted to be

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the rulers of the next step, and they kind of

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wanted the other side to join them, and because they

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didn't want to join each other or join the other

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as the leader, they wanted to be the leader. There

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was a huge rift that happened. And that's not really

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a controversial statement. But the notion that America itself was

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actually kind of a globalist operation, the UN being in

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New York, etc. And wanting the Russians to basically come

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into that. Maybe you can call it neoliberalism. I'm not

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really sure what to call it. That's more of a

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post Cold War term that kind of took shape during

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globalization perhaps, but I think that's an interesting way to

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explore it.

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Speaker 4: Whether the Soviets would.

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Speaker 2: Have defeated the United States or the United States would

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have morphed into what it is now, I don't know.

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I think my current premise is that what we're going

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through right now with like the trans write stuff, I

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think it's because we quote unquote won the Cold War.

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We don't have a real enemy to cause us to

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doubt what we're saying, and maybe, you know, focus on

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bigger priorities. I think we just kind of are screwing

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around too much. But that's just my rough understanding of

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what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, finally, coming forward to the sixties, he starts talking

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about critical theory and the critical theorists and brings up

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Marcuse and his description of marcuse synthesizing Forredy and psychoanalysis

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with Marxism to challenge Western culture and morality is probably

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a good starting point and a probably good overall description

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of what was being promoted in the sixties in the

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counter culture.

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Speaker 4: Definitely.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and I mean I've read Marcus is a

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Repressive Tolerance on on my show before, gone over it,

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and yeah, he's I mean, when you realize that he

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was Paul Gottfried's thesis advisor, Yeah, you realize, Wow, this

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guy was This guy was in the United States, he

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was working, and he was working in you know, h

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my parents' lifetime, your parents lifetime. So it's uh, just

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watching that when you take into consideration, if you've if

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you've studied Freud at all, if you've read Freud at all,

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and once you see exactly what was being promoted in

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the sixties, it's almost impossible not to see how Freddian

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psychoanalysis was influencing. It had an influence over so much

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of the propaganda and engineering that was putting that was

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being put out there.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you mentioned Berne's I mean, he was Freud's cousin.

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I think you know, I have cousins too. We don't

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all agree. Doesn't necessarily mean that you know that that's

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like the family strategy, but it is interesting, it's very interesting,

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and I don't I don't know as much about this

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as you do, Pete, I think, but how related is

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that to the Frankfurt School and the studies of authoritarian personality,

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because that's something I have looked at a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Well it is. I mean, the the Rockefeller Foundation, it

477
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,079
was the American Jewish Committee that was responsible for the

478
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:46,400
authoritarian personality, but I think the the American Jewish Committee

479
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,759
got got money from the Rockefeller Foundation. I mean, the

480
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:55,920
Rockefeller Foundation did fund Kinsey's Kinsey's sexology studies. I mean,

481
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,759
he's basically like the American version of Magnus Herschfeld. But yeah,

482
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:07,359
it definitely is this all ties together because at the

483
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,640
end of the authoritarian personality, it says, well, how are

484
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,279
we going to deal with these fascists? These people are

485
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,680
just becoming fascists, They're on the roads of fascism. And

486
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,200
it was Aeros Yeah, and then you look in it's like,

487
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,200
well what books did the Rockefeller Foundation put out and fund?

488
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,839
Aeros and civilization one one dimensional man? So yeah, drugs

489
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:33,559
in rock and roll.

490
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: It's interesting how the impulse had leaked into the wider

491
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,519
I mean he even talks about it, you know, the

492
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,839
wider cultural zeitgeist and the primacy of sex in a

493
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,160
way that wasn't really present present beforehand in history. And

494
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,359
the emphasis of course, especially now that there are a

495
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:55,880
lot of like neurocognition studies that coming out about you know,

496
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,319
obviously dopamine and all that kind of stuff and conditioning,

497
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:03,839
and of course the most important part is the like

498
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:09,160
what's it called. It's the inability for for when you

499
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,799
fry your dopamine receptors, there's like this cognitive situation that

500
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,960
your rise. Yeah, it's not even dissonance, it's it's about

501
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:21,680
lack of self discipline that that are basically cause causes

502
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,519
erosion in the brain, lack of will uh self, how

503
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,400
do you say self policing, And it's precisely what this

504
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:34,720
entire ideology is predicated on, basically keeping people from actually

505
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:40,319
having sovereignty agency by eroding them slowly over time, you know.

506
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,000
And there's a reason why, for instance, pornography is you

507
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:47,359
weaponize in the military operations and uh, I mean aside

508
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,079
from lowering testosterone in populations, et cetera, but it also

509
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:57,599
kind of breeds that apathetic type of personality.

510
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:01,839
Speaker 2: You're not the first to notice this, but I think

511
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:04,559
the way you just put it made me no, no,

512
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:09,119
I'm giving a compliment here. The fact that dopamine is

513
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,680
actually a drug in a sense, if it's actually artificially stimulated,

514
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,240
is something I hadn't considered. But that is one of

515
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:23,519
the easiest ways to grab hold of people through entertainment

516
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:28,680
basically and keep them hooked in whatever you're pushing selling marketing.

517
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,720
I mean it goes back to propaganda. I mean, it's

518
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,640
like you glamorize it, you make it sexy. I mean,

519
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Brenees was famous for the craziest pr campaign I'd ever

520
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,160
read about.

521
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,799
Speaker 4: And you guys probably know about.

522
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:43,799
Speaker 2: This, but you know, women were considered too delicate and important,

523
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:48,799
frankly to be smokers back in the early nineteen hundreds.

524
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,839
And it was during I think one of the World

525
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,200
War One parades or something that Brene's suggested to a

526
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:02,039
cigarette marketing agency to give beautiful women cigarettes to smoke

527
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,240
at the parade. And this was done or described as

528
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,039
torches of freedom. And just there's that stupid word again,

529
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:15,240
where everybody is just given these or welling in concepts

530
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,960
that don't necessarily mean what they actually are, are told

531
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,960
you as. But you know, I mean think about smoking.

532
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880
I mean, you know, I know people have had lunk

533
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,759
cancer from this shit.

534
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:26,359
Speaker 4: And it's like.

535
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,599
Speaker 2: You're telling the women that they're free and liberated now

536
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,240
because they're they're polluting their lungs. And so the beautiful women,

537
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,839
of course is the sex appeals. It encourages men obviously

538
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,319
to want to partake, but it also encourages other women

539
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:46,400
to emulate because they admire those women. And so it's

540
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,200
in pornography is obvious, you know, but you know even

541
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,400
movies watching, you know, the Academy Awards. You know how

542
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,599
much effort these actors and actresses put into their their

543
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,160
outfits and trying to stimulate your senses. You know, it's

544
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,039
almost satanic. I mean, if you're if you're religious, it's

545
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,519
it's it's it's creepy, but it works.

546
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:07,359
Speaker 4: It's very powerful.

547
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,599
Speaker 3: But keeping it from to a secular paradigm. The most

548
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,199
interesting thing about subversion is that it's always in the

549
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:20,199
oblique right. It's conflating terms that we understand with sustenance

550
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,679
or the substance of that term, instantiating it with ideas

551
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,280
which are foreign. And that is precisely what happens throughout

552
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,840
this book that he writes. Is basically, there are old

553
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,039
terms such as freedom, liberty, et cetera, and they're conflated

554
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:40,400
and injected with foreign abscesces which become of course organic

555
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,039
over time. Now, how do you push back on that?

556
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,679
It's almost impossible because either you're a square, which is

557
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,840
where the original term came from, right, You're you're like

558
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:56,039
a Christian ultra prude or whatever. Or if you try

559
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,639
to do the opposite, which is the Yuka Mishima type,

560
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,199
you go into like the saline doing drugs, and out

561
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,920
you become no different from them, and in effact they

562
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:10,239
win simply because they tear down the nature of society

563
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,360
together because there's no way to out maneuver drug addiction.

564
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,800
I mean unless you're like the Taliban, where you have

565
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,760
it totalitarian state and you're able to make discipline happen.

566
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,639
But you can't do that in a democracy where people

567
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,360
have personal freedom, because all you got to do is

568
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,159
induce them with this kind of drug addiction, whether it's

569
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:33,880
pornography or other kinds of dopaminergic tricks, if that makes sense.

570
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,760
And you see this precisely with even TV shows in

571
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,960
the fifties, sixties, and seventies, which start to condition the

572
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,440
populace to accept for instance, the breakdown of the family

573
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:49,800
having single parent homes, which was unheard of before, and

574
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,880
start glamorizing, making heroines out of these individuals. It's very

575
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,119
interesting because a lot of the things that we take

576
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,679
for granted, especially myself, I'm a younger generation who has

577
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,199
no experience of what it was like before. For them,

578
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,400
it was something that was like a slow moving collapse.

579
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,960
I mean, isn't gen X The Latchkey kids precisely from

580
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:18,800
this nexus that we're talking about that originates it. It's scary,

581
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:20,199
it's scary.

582
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, the book doesn't touch upon feminism too too much,

583
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,599
but obviously the latch Key phenomenon is effectively a result

584
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,960
of that. And I kind of grew up as one.

585
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:33,639
Speaker 4: You know, my mother.

586
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,639
Speaker 2: I don't like to speak about my family publicly on

587
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,079
this type of format, but you know, just roughly like

588
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:43,159
she she did have a few jobs and so and

589
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,679
I don't resent it, but it just it was more

590
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,079
and more common, and I think that was unheard of

591
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:54,199
not too far back, and that's some of that is economic,

592
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,039
but I think some of it is definitely by design.

593
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,519
I think it was Aaron Russo he talked about how

594
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:04,199
like the Rockefellers were pushing this stuff basically to weaken

595
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:17,599
the individual family, basically to keep that power away from.

596
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 4: The people and and keep it held by the elites.

597
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the sixties really one of the big messages

598
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:28,880
was liberation from repression. And that goes to the free,

599
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,039
free sex, that goes to feminism, that goes to everything.

600
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:36,039
And you know, they're just basically trying to undermine traditional

601
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:42,800
morality and create a society that that's fractured of traditional bonds.

602
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,280
And you know, when you take into consideration like the

603
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,440
post nineteen forty five what we called it, what a

604
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,039
bunge of us called the Nuremberg regime, the liberal the

605
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:58,159
liberal international order. It requires a fluidity in all things

606
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,440
and that helps them to maximize profit, production and consumption.

607
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:04,800
But it's also a control mechanism.

608
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that great term divided imperia. You know, the individual.

609
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,360
When we make atomic individuals, you have granulated everyone, you

610
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,000
have completely dominated them to the individual level. And I

611
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,079
agree with you, and I think the greater, the most

612
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:28,119
malicious thing is this aversion to paint right, Because what

613
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:32,000
they call oppression or whatever really implied between the lines,

614
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:38,199
is this aversion to paint self sacrifice, probably taking opportunity

615
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:41,719
costs of yourself, your personal development. For instance, women, right,

616
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:47,000
you forego a career to have a family. Well, that's

617
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:51,239
what this technology, this societal technology does, is it dissolves

618
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:59,280
the cultural structures which reinforce teamwork and induces them to

619
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,639
do what they've done since then and obviously has deleterious

620
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:09,119
fertility effects. It has deleterious societal effects. And we're starting

621
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:12,599
to see that now of course, as like the age

622
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:16,119
pyramids are you know, getting older and all these kind

623
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,280
of issues that are arising. But we are only starting

624
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,039
to see the terminus of this cancer, the ugly head

625
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,320
of this cancer come true, because it's going to start

626
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,480
affecting not just the Western populace, but also you know,

627
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,320
even those people from originally third world countries and populations.

628
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,239
So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

629
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,719
But returning to the book, I guess I wanted to

630
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:46,880
ask you your opinion specifically I'm McCarthy and the interplay

631
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,159
between what was going on in the sixties with McCarthy

632
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:52,320
and if you had any thoughts on that.

633
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: Through the sixties you mean anti con continued anti cons immunist.

634
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 3: Uh, yes, McCarthy.

635
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: Sorry, Joseph McCarthy. Well, he was what the fifties, I think,

636
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,760
but yeah, it's about after.

637
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,519
Speaker 1: I mean he he pretty much. I think the problem

638
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,000
with McCarthy is is that he discredited himself. He would

639
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,079
constantly change numbers. He was he he was drunk a lot.

640
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,599
And I think what he did he pointed out, he

641
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,800
made great points and he people try to connect him

642
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,000
to Huac and it's like, well, me, he's a senator.

643
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,199
The best thing he did was was inspired Hugh ac

644
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:46,000
and also just basically have a He really gave the

645
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,119
right it's real last win, like real win. I mean,

646
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,840
able to take out some take out some communists, take

647
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,159
out a couple literally.

648
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.

649
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: Nixon was floating around during that era. I can't remember

650
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,280
if you worked with McCarthy directly, but he definitely put

651
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,079
on some of those same people on on the stand,

652
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,079
some of the Hollywood types. And he obviously got taken

653
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:15,960
out when he got into power.

654
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:23,039
Speaker 1: But in early in the early sixties, I mean the

655
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:26,840
when he ran against Kennedy. Most of the vitriol he

656
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,440
got from the press it has been attributed now to

657
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:36,199
his associations to McCarthy. Macarthy, I guess the.

658
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: Reason why I bring it up is because whenever you

659
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,039
denounced the enemy as commis or whatever, they they have

660
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:49,000
so completely conditioned society to discourage any kind of criticism

661
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:53,519
because that's that's the red scare, that's McCarthyism, that's you know, illiberalism,

662
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:57,199
whatever it is. But he was onto something. I mean,

663
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,679
he was spot on, and I think the most interesting

664
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:04,920
thing is just small at side here just recently twenty seventeen,

665
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,360
I think it was twenty nineteen, excuse me, twenty twenty

666
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,599
documents regarding Senator McCarthy when he was going through, of course,

667
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,119
purging communists from the army and the military in general.

668
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,039
Then he started working into the federal government. He had

669
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,679
a lot of personal communicators with the CIA before then, right,

670
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,039
and then finally he was inching closer to the CIA,

671
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,559
and he's starting to open up inquiries into the CIA,

672
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:34,000
and then guess what happened. His whole career got shut down.

673
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:38,280
So it's very interesting to see because we start to

674
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,559
understand who has the locus of power, who is the

675
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,760
one that has truly the power in that kind of

676
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,599
political paradigm, if that makes sense, And the reason why

677
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:49,199
I bring it up is because a lot of people

678
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:56,320
they they disregard anyone who criticized the CIA because they

679
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,199
believe that it's just tinfoil hat type situation. But there

680
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,480
is increasing evidence, mounting evidence to show that the criticism

681
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,199
of the nineteen forty seven Security Act, the National Defense

682
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,639
Act or whatever was definitely a big problem. And the

683
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:16,960
origin of those course the Pinko OSS. And it's very

684
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,880
interesting because of you know, I read this book and

685
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,400
I just start seeing the connections between the OSS, the

686
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,159
oligarchs for instance, you know, the Rockefeller Foundation and so on,

687
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,239
and the people on the ground, like the hippies and whatever.

688
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,679
And it's very weird because the FBI, ironically enough, was

689
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:39,679
the last vestige of anti communist action well into the sixties.

690
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:42,559
It was only after, of course, Martin Luther King that

691
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:48,719
whole situation, did they start becoming part of the I guess,

692
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,440
how do you say, you know, state aligned if that

693
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,199
makes sense.

694
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: The deep state.

695
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary, you know, well.

696
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,639
Speaker 2: They they were in effect part of the deep state,

697
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,440
but it just wasn't oriented towards the goals that it

698
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,639
seems to be oriented towards today. I mean, it was

699
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:15,360
genuinely more anti communist during Hoover's era, obviously at the FBI,

700
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,039
that was one of his big, big things, but afterwards

701
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,400
I think they just got I.

702
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 4: Don't know, I think maybe closer to that CIA almost.

703
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,039
Speaker 2: It's like how the CIA doesn't necessarily view communism as

704
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:36,880
a good thing. But whatever, this emerging alternative globalist neoliberal,

705
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,800
I mean, we really need to figure out what it

706
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,920
should be called. But it's something else. I think neoliberalism,

707
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,880
to me is probably the most accurate way of putting it.

708
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:50,599
But there are so many groups here. Maybe we should

709
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,840
go back to where the book guides us to keep

710
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,840
it keep it focused.

711
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: But you know, it's all right.

712
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: You brought up neoliberal as which leads me into my

713
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,599
next point was bringing up the march through the institutions

714
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,760
and how the Fabian society in Britain was such an

715
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,239
influence among the intelligentsia through the London School of Economics

716
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,159
and political science, and how students of nineteen sixty eight

717
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,199
in the London School of Economics became establishment figures who

718
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,679
helped shape new labor in the nineteen nineties which basically

719
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:36,719
brought in and champion global capitalism and neoliberalism, and yee,

720
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,960
it seems like that this was a again top down

721
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:49,559
This wasn't something that those hippies were pushing in the streets,

722
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,760
but it was something that a Fabian society, who I

723
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,119
mean we know names that are associated with them in

724
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:59,320
the past, that were able to were able to do

725
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,960
to bring in this global capitalism neoliberalism, which I think

726
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,760
we can agree when we look at it now, it's

727
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:15,639
basically a function of helping transform lifestyles and democratizing society,

728
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:20,639
reform the institutions, and just basically break with any kind

729
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:22,800
of true right wing legacy.

730
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: Well, let's, for my edification, at the very least, let's

731
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,800
review the Fabian school as opposed to maybe the Leninist,

732
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:40,599
Marxist or Soviet approach to socialism. My rough recollection is

733
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,679
that it was sort of let's use the velvet glove

734
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:48,519
to persuade as opposed to coerce instead of using the

735
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:49,199
iron fist.

736
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: Is that roughly right? Or clarify for me if you.

737
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,199
Speaker 1: Could, sure, Yeah, I mean the Fabian Society they founded

738
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,400
the London School of Economics in eighteen ninety five. That is,

739
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,360
we're not talking about people who are like, well, we

740
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,039
need to go out into the streets we need to

741
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,119
arm the proletariat, or talking about people who are like

742
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:09,239
we're going to take over people's minds. Yeah, so yeah,

743
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,920
this was truly the march for the march for the institution.

744
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: Well, the London School of Economics. Gosh, there should be

745
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,400
a book out there that covers that place. But I

746
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:26,800
have noticed, just anecdotally, how many key figures there are

747
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,599
that have done a circuit through that place. And I've

748
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:33,400
been to London only a couple of times, and I've

749
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,920
never been inside that school, but I would only imagine

750
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,960
the types of discussions they're having. And it seems to

751
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,599
be one of those feathers in a lot of world

752
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,440
leaders caps or sort of the Anglo sphere at least

753
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,280
to sort of say, well, I went to Harvard, but

754
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,960
then I got my graduate to great London School of Economics.

755
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:51,519
Speaker 4: It seems to be a pattern I've noticed.

756
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:56,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, to say the least, I think Edward Luthfag went too.

757
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm not even sure I wouldn't go.

758
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,719
I mean, like I why not. You know, it doesn't

759
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,840
mean you have to agree with them, but you'll learn something,

760
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:04,880
you know.

761
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: No, don't get me wrong, and don't get me wrong,

762
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:12,159
I'm not conflating. Just because someone went there doesn't mean

763
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,880
that they are a partisan of that situation. I mean,

764
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,519
we know a lot of guys in our sphere that

765
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:20,360
have gone to you know, ivy leagues, you know, and

766
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,679
you know they remain unscathed. You know, they made it through.

767
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,519
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about the march of the institutions.

768
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:28,440
I mean, that's what the left did, so why don't

769
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,599
why shouldn't the right do the same thing, you know,

770
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,039
to sort of this notion that we have to stand

771
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,920
aside from all the elite institutions and just let them burn.

772
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,880
I mean, that's that's one approach, But I would also say,

773
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,559
infiltrate and study is another one.

774
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,199
Speaker 4: And do what you can add to the best of

775
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:48,840
your ability.

776
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: You know, I would say, I would even go one further.

777
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,960
I would say that's incredibly important. However, the thing that

778
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,880
communists have that we don't is that they understand what

779
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:03,320
they're here for. They get what the end state is.

780
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,440
They have an end state, they understand what the end

781
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,760
goal is. And we can't agree on what the end

782
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,559
goal is. Therefore, we're not able to plan downwards. You know,

783
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,159
we can't. We don't even have the strategic self understanding,

784
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:19,119
how can we have operations or even tactical level efficacious moves,

785
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,159
if that makes sense? And so what would we be

786
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,000
marching through for? What would we be espousing? What would

787
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:29,639
be you know, championing? And that is the thing that

788
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:32,840
we have to answer, which we can probably deduce by

789
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,840
the oblique from learning from the new Left, from the

790
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,719
gram Shite Left when they when they talk about, for instance,

791
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,159
societal values that they want to condition, maybe we should

792
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:47,239
be able to self reflect and induce within ourselves or

793
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,679
precipitate within ourselves the core values that we have, and

794
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,400
then we champion those, and then of course we create

795
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,360
something organic ourselves, and then we can counterthrust and do

796
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,440
the same thing as well. I think that's where I'm

797
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,880
kind of I'm still masticating this idea myself. I'm still

798
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,639
processing and trying to figure out myself. And I'm assuming

799
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,400
that's why we're meeting here, you and I and Pete

800
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,039
as well. We're trying to find that answer, like a

801
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,559
Knight's on the Holy Grail? Is what is it that

802
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,920
we truly live for? What is our one thousand and

803
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,320
one goals? As Nietzsche would say, and Ultimately, that's a

804
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,000
it's a quest that we're all on and I feel

805
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:27,440
that we're coming upon it. Especially. I mean, say what

806
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,480
you want about Dugan, I don't really like the guy,

807
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:33,639
but what I can see is the tendrils of something

808
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:36,599
new over the horizon and overcoming of the paradigm of

809
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:40,360
sixty eight, right, And I think that's precisely why we

810
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,920
should reflect on what they're doing. Precisely because even they

811
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,920
they are defined by mythos of their enemy.

812
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: Right.

813
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,039
Speaker 3: So, for instance, in sixty eight, the whole you know,

814
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:55,840
World War two, Germany framing themselves as a never again?

815
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,159
What to do the opposite of that? I mean, why

816
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,039
can't we do the same, And why can't we figure

817
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:05,639
out an organic response to the revolution of sixty eight

818
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,840
sixty eight America? Why can't we see take what was

819
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,599
good from them and discard the bad and put something

820
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,360
new that we have to offer.

821
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,159
Speaker 4: Well, can we come back to that?

822
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, Pete, you please direct this, this is your show.

823
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,760
But I wanted to capture that idea a little bit

824
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,719
and use the book as sort of a guideline to

825
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,360
kind of cover the book and then also try to

826
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,960
take some lessons from it to apply it to what

827
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:32,639
Lance is talking about. I think one of the interesting

828
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,679
things that the book does do is it covers some

829
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,239
of the responses to what was going on in that generation.

830
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,159
So the right responding to the left basically the reactionaries effectively,

831
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,039
and perhaps we need to stop being reactionaries and start

832
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:54,079
being the leaders in effect. But what I found interesting

833
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:58,760
was the discussion of Goldwater in particular, because that was

834
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,920
a little bit closer to that time, and then I thought, well,

835
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,719
what else will happened, you know? I think I think

836
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,559
Nixon also, but also obviously the Reagan thing in the

837
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,760
eighties was a big response to this as well. And

838
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,920
also Reagan was in California during this time with all

839
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,639
the student protests at Berkeley and in other campuses, and

840
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:20,440
he passed legislation in effect to take guns away. I

841
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,119
think Pete you covered this in one of your shows.

842
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,440
From the Black Panthers who were running around Oakland and

843
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,079
stuff like that.

844
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:28,119
Speaker 4: So what can we learn from that?

845
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,039
Speaker 2: I mean, the Civil rights movement was I think a

846
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:32,800
big section of the book because it was a big

847
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,119
part of that time, and so it goes into Martin

848
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,559
Luther King, it goes into the Black panthers and some

849
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:42,159
of the elite backing. That's kind of the thesis of

850
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:44,360
the book, that how a lot of these people were supported,

851
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:50,400
how that happened Martin Luther King, for example, one of

852
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,840
the quotes from the book was he was too slow

853
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,639
a thinker to be trusted to speak without a script

854
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,639
in front of him. That find that fascinating, And actually,

855
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,079
in rec election, I don't recall too many interviews he gave.

856
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,960
It was usually just him talking at a podium.

857
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: I read his PhD thesis on Mithra and I doubt

858
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:10,599
that he wrote that.

859
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,519
Speaker 4: Right, I mean exactly, yeah, I think it's been proven

860
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:15,280
that he didn't write that.

861
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,039
Speaker 1: I think it's been proven says that he didn't write that.

862
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,559
Speaker 3: It was actually a decent thesis, But I just don't

863
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:22,679
think it sounds like the same syntax he uses.

864
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 4: You know, and say what you will about Obama. I mean,

865
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,559
I don't think he was stupid.

866
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: He could get give an interview, but I never heard

867
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,960
King say anything in response to her question. I mean, so, yeah,

868
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:36,760
it's one thing to have a a church voice and

869
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,920
read from a book. I'm sorry that that just doesn't

870
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,000
equate to too much in my estimation, But beyond that,

871
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,480
that whole Civil Rights Act, And does the book talk

872
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,320
about Lyndon Johnson at all, because I just think he's

873
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,360
one of the worst presidents this country's ever had, and

874
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,559
during that time he effectively again it's sort of like

875
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,000
an elite response to up the street is is burning

876
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:04,559
stuff down about it's And you can also say that

877
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,920
the riots may have been an op in effect or

878
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:11,440
stoked to create the conditions, maybe like what COVID was

879
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,000
to create a larger state apparatus. But I think the

880
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,159
welfare state was effectively a huge response to what was

881
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,800
going on and the complaining and all the sort of

882
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,679
burning of things, and then public housing was built and

883
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:33,920
whoac not who ac hud excuse me her uh housing

884
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:39,000
and Urban Development Group. All that stuff was was a

885
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:43,719
big expansion of Washington's power and sort of like they

886
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,320
they took the opportunity to grow and sort of like

887
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,519
the war and terror, I mean, just all these things,

888
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:52,719
it just it just keeps making it seems like it

889
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,039
keeps making things worse with with these solutions that keep

890
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:01,599
coming up with. But ultimately, and if you guys have

891
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:03,519
details you want to go into, in the civil rights movement,

892
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:07,519
I think some of the seventies and eighties was a

893
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,960
response to that, I mean, the silent majority.

894
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,199
Speaker 4: What can we learn from that?

895
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,519
Speaker 2: Nixon did get into power, he was taken out, I think,

896
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,639
I would argue, but he was able to capture a

897
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:25,239
certain portion of the populace's minds, share and heart, hearts

898
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:30,360
and minds to win those elections. And then ultimately you

899
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,440
could say the CIA or the deep state of.

900
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,119
Speaker 4: The time.

901
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: Had to correct the people. But it was something that

902
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:42,000
did happen. It seemed to be somewhat of a successful response.

903
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,880
And I think the eighties as well were a response

904
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,199
as well.

905
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 4: It did seem to.

906
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: Do something to combat what was going on from this

907
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,599
generation sixty eight. So I guess my question to you

908
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:58,440
guys is what lessons can we learn from that, if any,

909
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:00,719
that we can apply to maybe our generation.

910
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the easiest things to see

911
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:10,960
in what happened was is they took they were able

912
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,280
to take people's eye off of the ball. What's important,

913
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,400
and what was important is culture. So when we talk

914
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,960
about the you know, the nineteen nineties and growing global capitalism,

915
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,639
you know, liberalism, I think San Francis said once that

916
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,719
in the sixties white Americans were talking about black people.

917
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,360
In the seventies they were talking about bussing, and in

918
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,440
the nineties they were talking about taxes.

919
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: Contract with America, very different.

920
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 4: You're right, you're right.

921
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the the the grow the Yaki wrote about

922
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,239
this in Imperium. He said that what he saw what

923
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,119
was going to happen was that man was going to

924
00:56:56,119 --> 00:57:00,440
become economized. Man was going to be forced into economics.

925
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,559
He was going to be forced into a field that

926
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:08,519
he should you should only be thinking about when you're

927
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,599
you know, writing a check or paying a bill, and

928
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:15,719
that now economics was going to become such an important

929
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,440
part of man's life that he actually used the term

930
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,239
man is going to become economized, and not like you

931
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,360
know there he's going to pair everything down. No, he's

932
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,079
going to become an economic machine. He is going to

933
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:34,039
become somebody who walks around as if they're a like

934
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:38,280
an annuity, like a freaking hug.

935
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,519
Speaker 2: Some people economics like homo economics.

936
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:49,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah. The one thing that I just

937
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:53,280
see that it's so easy to get us to take

938
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,079
our eye off the ball when it comes to finance,

939
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,679
and you know, one of the and then what's funny

940
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,960
is if you look at two thousand and eight and

941
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:09,800
the housing crisis and you come forward to occupy Wall

942
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,719
Street or you come forward to the tea party, well,

943
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,639
they just reversed it. They're like, don't pay attention to

944
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:20,599
economics anymore. No, we're going to put We're going to

945
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:23,840
shove wok down your throat. I think the term racism

946
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,559
like did a hockey stick at that point. So they're

947
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,880
very easy at making us take our eye off the ball,

948
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and I think our eyes when it comes to percentages,

949
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,840
we should be looking at culture in the biggest, highest

950
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:46,199
percentage possible and not allow them to distract us from that.

951
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,880
Because that's what happened. We were distracted from culture. Culture

952
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:54,400
was broken. And then you get into the nineties and

953
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:59,280
everybody's like, well, it's all about tax policy.

954
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 4: I think you're right.

955
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: I think definitely the nineties where you could say the

956
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,920
hangover from the eighties and then the seventies or the

957
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:11,599
hangover from the sixties, and during I think the seventies

958
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:14,360
and eighties, I think there was somewhat of a revival

959
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:21,239
in perhaps the religious parts of the country. I forget

960
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:22,960
what it was, eight hundred Club or something like that

961
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,960
there was a television program where a lot of these

962
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:31,000
evangelicals and people like that would would sort of there

963
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:33,039
seemed to be somewhat of a groundswell against this, and

964
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:37,719
there was the Satanic panic, and people were scared of

965
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:40,840
kind of the things that they were seeing, and there

966
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:44,320
did seem to be somewhat of a cultural or religious

967
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,559
response in addition to the economics, but that did seem

968
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:50,320
to die down by the nineties. I think you're right,

969
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,840
and perhaps some of the stuff today, I mean, I

970
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,199
would say, and it's it's it always takes different form.

971
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Speaker 1: Can I start you for a second? Yeah, sharply for

972
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,239
And I think it's very interesting. I think it's very

973
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:08,679
interesting that people like James Lindsay and basically these nominal,

974
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,239
these classical QUT classical liberals, they all want to go

975
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,559
back to the nineties and when when you look and

976
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:21,199
it's like, well, what is what is everybody? I mean,

977
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:24,360
we're in a culture war. Everything is about everything is

978
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,840
about culture. They someone like him, and I just thought

979
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,760
of this now, I haven't put this together before. Wants

980
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,880
to go back to when it was all about economics, right,

981
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:38,400
that nobody was arguing over culture. That you know, everybody.

982
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,360
I mean, I remember, I remember the nineties. I was

983
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,199
in a band. It was it was wild, it was fun.

984
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,400
I mean it. I mean the nineties was a lot

985
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,800
of fun, and people want to go back to that.

986
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,199
But the reason he wants to go back to it

987
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:56,559
is people are he's He equates his worldview of classical

988
01:00:56,599 --> 01:01:00,199
liberalism all with economics. If we can just have that

989
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,320
good economics again, where everything is so good that nobody

990
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,960
cares about this cultural stuff, when really it's all about

991
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,079
the cultural. It's all about the cultural.

992
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: Isn't it funny that man will choke on silver, but

993
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:18,599
he'll live off of breadcrumbs with spirit, with a religious spirit.

994
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,440
It's interesting, you know. I hope I don't instruct, but

995
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,760
if you guys don't mind me, I actually might have

996
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:27,360
my own thing that I have been working on myself.

997
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:31,559
It's a little bit of a minute here, so I apologize.

998
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:34,599
Don't instruct me for a second. But Adam is probably

999
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:37,400
gonna like lose his goddamn mind again because he's the

1000
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,119
Apollonian to my Dionysin. But I think what we're trying

1001
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:42,400
to figure out, or what we're actually hovering over at

1002
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,000
the target, is we have to address the irrational. I mean,

1003
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,639
the human man, the person with the soul, is irrational,

1004
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:54,320
and that fundamentally economics and well being, and no matter

1005
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,079
how much food you have in your belly and how

1006
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,800
happy you are with your material possessions, there needs to

1007
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,239
be something higher, right, like there needs to be a

1008
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,880
certain calling. And you see this in the midd Least,

1009
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,760
for instance. You know, most people don't know this, but

1010
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,880
the Middle East wasn't like always such a shithole. I mean,

1011
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,480
there were secular governments that were progressive, that offered people

1012
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:22,760
secular how do you say, solutions to their problems, as

1013
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,639
opposed to the religious ones that figures largely now in

1014
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:27,440
the Middle East and what we understand them to be.

1015
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,159
And of course, like for instance, so Solom Viladen was

1016
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:33,480
the son of a billionaire and he forsook all his

1017
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:37,800
fortune to seek you know, his religious you know, convictions.

1018
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,199
I'm not saying that I'm not Islamic or anything like that,

1019
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,480
but it should provide you a metric of understanding of

1020
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:48,199
humans that we have this irrational need for things. And

1021
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,280
the left what they do is they leverage the gravity

1022
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,599
of their beliefs because man constantly wants to be lazy.

1023
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:58,400
He constantly wants to feel pleasure. He constantly he does

1024
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,800
not want to feel discipline. He doesn't want to feel

1025
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:06,400
to be encumbered, he doesn't want to feel like, you know,

1026
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,960
basically the discipline of life, whether it's in family, whether

1027
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,119
it's a you know, civic service, X.

1028
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:13,519
Speaker 1: Y or Z.

1029
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:18,159
Speaker 3: I think the truth or the origin of where we

1030
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:21,000
can start solving our problems is just like you said,

1031
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:24,119
talking about culture, rather what does that mean the spirit?

1032
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:26,880
And what really kind of is the engine of that

1033
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,840
spirit is the family, It's religion, And I'm not religious myself.

1034
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,639
I'm a pretty secular guy, but I think the truth

1035
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,039
is that really like when you start leveraging that irrational

1036
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,280
agency in man, you start overcoming petty pleasures. When you

1037
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,039
start giving them a vision for something to suffer and

1038
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:51,239
die for, they start ignoring and making sacrifices of things

1039
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:54,119
that the left leverages. So for instance, you know, drugs,

1040
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:58,039
sex in rock and roll, and personal gratification in your career.

1041
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,239
People forsake that if you can give them a vision

1042
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:07,599
of something that's beyond simply material well being. And I

1043
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,960
know that sounds kind of like I said, It's not Apollonian.

1044
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,440
You can't put numbers on that. It's not very you

1045
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,400
can't put you know, put it on a map. It's

1046
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,960
very ephemeral, it's very psychological. But if we can start

1047
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,960
offering people that impetus, that meaning in life, we give

1048
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,119
them a mission, some spirit in thumos in their's chest,

1049
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,079
we can make them be beautiful again. And I think

1050
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:32,920
that's what was lacking in the West is fundamentally the

1051
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,000
destruction of Christianity. I'm not Christian myself, so I say this,

1052
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:41,000
you know, unbiased. I think that precisely because Christianity became

1053
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:44,800
a waning psychological force in the West, that the engine

1054
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,400
of Western civilization came to a halt. Hence why the

1055
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,039
Left is ascendant, because they basically break down this carcass.

1056
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:57,159
So I don't think the solution is to go back

1057
01:04:57,199 --> 01:05:01,559
into Christianity. I think whatever spirituality that overcomes liberalism will

1058
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:05,360
be the future. However, I think this is what we're facing,

1059
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:11,239
is this question of overcoming this obstacle through irrational means,

1060
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,800
through appealing to the soul. And fight Club is a

1061
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,880
great example. I'm sure that you guys are aware of

1062
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:21,599
fight Club, but it's a great encapsulation of man's disgust

1063
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:25,840
with the nineteen nineties material well being in favor of

1064
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,760
personal achievement in something that's kind of transcendental, something that

1065
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,559
appeals to the soul, something that you can give yourself towards.

1066
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,360
And I think that's what we're here to discuss, is

1067
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,480
provide people with that vision. And if that makes sense,

1068
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:41,719
I don't know if I'm off left kilter here, how

1069
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:44,679
you guys are feeling, So give me some pushback here, Pete.

1070
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean I think it points towards like

1071
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:55,320
this Banglarrian and Yaki high culture, where that's what that's

1072
01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:01,320
what a society, a society needs in order to move forward,

1073
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:07,320
in order to in order to progress, in order to

1074
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:13,239
be cohesive as opposed to you know, science, technology, technics,

1075
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:19,559
things like that, where that immediately when you have machinery

1076
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:25,039
and machinery introduced it, you basically start to realize, well,

1077
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:28,400
I can create, I can become like God, and I

1078
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:33,519
can create all of these things. And it has a

1079
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:36,440
tendency to drive you away from that high culture, from

1080
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,639
that spiritual and you know, I think we see that now.

1081
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:44,280
I think we see that the you know, if if

1082
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,119
the regime in charge, if the spirit of this age,

1083
01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:49,239
which I you know, I think is the Nuremberg regime,

1084
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,840
the New the New Deal regime, is one thing. It's

1085
01:06:52,920 --> 01:07:01,840
to destroy that destroy any kind of any kind of cohesiveness,

1086
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:07,320
any kind of of a culture, any kind of race,

1087
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:12,880
any kind of homogeneity, any kind of order. As long

1088
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,480
as there's chaos, as long as people are in chaos spiritually,

1089
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:21,400
and the spirit of the age is in chaos, the

1090
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:26,960
high culture is gone. Then anyone who has seized power

1091
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:31,440
and is willing to use it can wield control over everything,

1092
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:34,000
even if, as we see it, fall apart due to

1093
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,000
incompetency overproduction of the elites. Whatever you however you want

1094
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:39,679
to explain it.

1095
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, And I think you're absolutely right. I think

1096
01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:47,960
these are material manifestations of something that's happening psychologically, on

1097
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,119
a psychological basis, and I completely agree with you, Pete,

1098
01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:54,760
and I think that Adam and I are in accordance

1099
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,599
with this as well. And I think what we need

1100
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:01,320
to give to people who are lost, who are in

1101
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,000
this chaos is a mission a city on the hill

1102
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,159
to go and fight for and with people that are

1103
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:11,559
brave enough to be irrational in that pursuit. Because if

1104
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:16,840
you notice, especially with like backwoods preachers, the effusiveness and

1105
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,600
the spiritual self assuredness is what people crave. You see

1106
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,600
this in leadership in the military, but you see this

1107
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,600
at large in leadership and political people. There's a reason

1108
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:33,239
why they tear down political operatives or statesmen who kind

1109
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:38,399
of have that gravitas, and it's precisely because they want

1110
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,960
you to be divided from a mission. They want you

1111
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:45,520
to be not part of something greater than yourself. They

1112
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:50,000
want you to have nothing aside from your self interest.

1113
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,720
And that's precisely what we got to change. And I

1114
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,640
think that's something that we have to overcome in liberalism itself.

1115
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,920
And Adam, I see you're going to add something here.

1116
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to jump in just because I don't

1117
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,319
disagree with what you guys are saying. I hope you

1118
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:10,640
don't think I'm all about neoliberalism and trading stock options

1119
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:15,920
all day and that's all that matters. I was just

1120
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,199
listening to something today from one of these channels that

1121
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,800
covers people that I like, and I get crap for

1122
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:26,640
talking about Elon Musk all the time, but I think

1123
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,239
he's an interesting example of what we're talking about, because

1124
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:34,000
just like generation sixty eight. What about generation sixty nine,

1125
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,439
where well, you had a sixty nine Camaro, which is

1126
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,720
probably one of the most beautiful American made cars ever made,

1127
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,880
but also the country landed on the moon.

1128
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 4: And I have gone back and forth.

1129
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 2: As to whether I even believe that that's a true thing,

1130
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,520
but I'm gonna just I'm just going to make a

1131
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,359
make a statement here that I think it's more likely

1132
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:57,039
than not. And even if it wasn't true, the fact

1133
01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:00,000
that they did all that they did is still impressive.

1134
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 4: I mean, they built those rockets.

1135
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:06,399
Speaker 2: Those rockets were real and what was that? That was

1136
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,560
the Faustian spirit. I mean, that was the we're going

1137
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,239
to do I mean, I love the Kennedy speech where

1138
01:10:13,279 --> 01:10:16,680
he talks about this, where he said, we do things

1139
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,720
not because they're easy, it is because they are hard.

1140
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:22,199
And I love that. And I know people that want

1141
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:24,880
to do things that are easy, and I don't like them.

1142
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,760
I don't hang out with people like that. And I

1143
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,760
have people very close to me that I have to

1144
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,199
hear that from sometimes and it just it just kills me.

1145
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,960
But you know, Musk was talking about how they're basically

1146
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:42,279
going to SpaceX is it's funny because NASA and Neil

1147
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:46,840
Armstrong particular actually said and it Elon was asked about

1148
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,600
this because it hurt his feelings, but what do you

1149
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,840
think about Neil armstrong statements that SpaceX has no business

1150
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,840
doing what NASA has done? And you know, Elon said,

1151
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,039
you know, that's that's really disappointing to me. I mean,

1152
01:10:58,079 --> 01:10:59,920
he's been a hero of mine, and I think it's

1153
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:03,159
when people like like crabs in a bucket, have to

1154
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,640
pull down those that are actually achieving things.

1155
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,199
Speaker 4: I didn't understand what Armstrong was thinking with that. It's

1156
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:09,520
very disappointing to me as well.

1157
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 2: But I think SpaceX is actually literally trying to build

1158
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,319
the infrastructure that the US government and all the other

1159
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:21,000
stupid governments have been so incompetent and accomplishing. He's actually

1160
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,399
building infrastructure to make this species, as he puts it.

1161
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,000
But let's face it, who's working at SpaceX. It's the

1162
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:30,560
types that worked at NASSA back in the late sixties

1163
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,399
make this group a multiplanetary group, and I think that

1164
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,159
is such a great, crazy mission. And everything he's done

1165
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,319
with the Twitter acquisition with Tesla has just been the

1166
01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:49,399
same spirit of just taken on really hard, important projects

1167
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,119
and kicking their ass. And I just am so excited

1168
01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:55,319
by that. And I've not seen that come out of

1169
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:58,720
any politician's mouth in that career. I've not seen any

1170
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,880
of that come out of the irs Happy tax Day,

1171
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,439
by the way, I have not seen any of that

1172
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,520
come out of most of our quote unquote leaders in

1173
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,039
such a long time. And we need more of that.

1174
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:15,079
And you know, I'm sympathetic to religious arguments as well,

1175
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:19,439
like you know, not putting yourself above God, but I

1176
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,119
know a lot of religious people who also like what

1177
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,359
Elon's doing, and I think there's no there's no discord there.

1178
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:26,960
I think, you know, we should work together on that.

1179
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,359
Speaker 3: You know, the most evil thing that Hannah Ardron ever

1180
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:34,760
wrote about liberalism is the idea that the abolition of

1181
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,319
great missions and to be content with, you know, your

1182
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:41,960
personal life and being happy with I don't know, being

1183
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:47,479
an interior designer or something. And there's something deeply disgusting

1184
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,960
about that. I mean, it's one thing if you're in

1185
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,199
a corporate society, we're all one team. Everyone has a

1186
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:55,680
function and no matter how small or big you are,

1187
01:12:56,359 --> 01:13:01,279
you're defined by the greater mission. The evil liberalism is

1188
01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:05,880
it destroyed all greats. It makes everyone temptible and small,

1189
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:08,760
and that is the beautiful thing that Elon Musk is doing,

1190
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:13,560
is making men and woman gigan. They're going to places

1191
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,560
that man hasn't gone before. It's a self overcoming mission.

1192
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:20,079
And the paradigm of today is not between left or right.

1193
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:23,079
It's between up or down. It's between people that want

1194
01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:27,039
to slink to slums or people who want to conquer

1195
01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:30,039
the stars. And I'm grateful to say and proud to

1196
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:33,439
say I'm part of the latter, not the former. And

1197
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,920
I think that everyone here feels the same way as

1198
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:36,199
I do.

1199
01:13:36,359 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: I think so.

1200
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,199
Speaker 3: I don't want to put words in Pete's mouth, but

1201
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:41,199
I definitely have a feeling he's a self overcoming Faucian man.

1202
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:46,079
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, And here's the thing. I was interviewed by

1203
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:48,439
a friend of mine today for almost two hours, and

1204
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,640
we were gone over a bunch of stuff, and one

1205
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,319
of the first things he asked me was He's like, okay, yeah,

1206
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:55,640
you were a libertarian at one point you came out.

1207
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,760
You know. I didn't coin the term post libertarian, but

1208
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:02,600
I started using it, and people started using it started

1209
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:07,079
and immediately started using it as pejorative against me. But

1210
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:09,760
he asked me, so, what do you know what, and

1211
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,760
I said, I'm a problem solver. I said, that's what

1212
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:15,640
that's what the world needs.

1213
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:16,119
Speaker 4: I said.

1214
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:22,399
Speaker 1: Book Kelly N. L. Salvador was When he ran for Mayorador,

1215
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,800
he was in the left, he ran in the Far

1216
01:14:26,199 --> 01:14:29,279
Left party. As for Santo, when he started running for president,

1217
01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:31,560
he ran in the far Left party. They kicked him out,

1218
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,800
went to another party. He had to do. He had

1219
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,239
to jump through hoops just to get elected president. And

1220
01:14:37,279 --> 01:14:39,640
what did he do? The first thing, He's like, we're

1221
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,119
the murder capital of the world. This is going to stop.

1222
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:44,600
And he solved a problem. And he didn't give a

1223
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,479
fuck what anybody thought about it. Sorry, I cursed sometimes

1224
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:52,479
in the show. And he he he cleaned that place.

1225
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:53,960
So he turned I mean he turned it into a

1226
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,039
place where I'm like, I'm you know, my wife and

1227
01:14:56,039 --> 01:14:58,199
Iron talking. Maybe we're going to go for four or

1228
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:00,000
five days, you know, in the next couple of months. Yeah,

1229
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,880
I became still well it's still cheap, you know, well,

1230
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,399
it's still cheap. If you look at you, you're like,

1231
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,399
holy crap, you can really the dollar goes pretty far

1232
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,319
down there. But he went in there, he solved the problem.

1233
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:13,640
The other thing he did was, and I don't know

1234
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,760
if I agree with this, but he's like, well, there's

1235
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,279
a money problem. I'm gonna adopt bitcoin. Yeah, and okay,

1236
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:24,159
so what is he? Okay, all right? The bitcoin bros

1237
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:27,119
want to call him a libertarian, but he obviously doesn't

1238
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:29,760
care anything about civil rights. He was just basically arresting

1239
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,920
anybody with a face tattoo? Is he? You know? The

1240
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,800
authoritarians are like, well, he also is adopted bitcoin. I

1241
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:45,119
don't care what his ideology is. He solves problems. Give

1242
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:50,399
me someone who can solve problems. Ideology is bullshit. Sam

1243
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,319
Francis pointed this out. James Burnham pointed this out. You

1244
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,920
create ideologies created in a lab. As soon as it's

1245
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,119
introduced to the public, holes are shot in it. It

1246
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:06,279
doesn't exist, solve problems, become a become a problem solver.

1247
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,520
If you cannot solve problem, every the only politician that

1248
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,439
you should even take seriously as somebody who's like, this

1249
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,279
is a problem, this is our biggest problem. This is

1250
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:19,600
how I'm gonna solve it. Let me do it. That's

1251
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,039
the kind of person you take seriously. Now in this

1252
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,680
we know in our system. How difficult that is. Well,

1253
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,960
I'm going to solve the immigration problem. You know that

1254
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,640
you're gonna have arrows and even bullets might be coming

1255
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,760
at you from all directions if you want to do it.

1256
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:40,840
But what you if you're not talking about solving solve

1257
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,079
the first problem, then go to the second problem, then

1258
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:45,279
go to the third problem. But figure out what the

1259
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:49,399
biggest one is first. That's what someone's ideology should be,

1260
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,760
and that is a Faustian spirit, and then you can

1261
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,439
and after you solve the problems, then you could be like, Okay,

1262
01:16:56,279 --> 01:17:02,159
what do I Oh, I want to let's inhabit marsh.

1263
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:03,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's next?

1264
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: Great? You know, yeah, what's that? But until you solve

1265
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,079
that first problem, you have to be able to solve

1266
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:12,159
that first problem. If you don't solve that first problem,

1267
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:15,840
if you don't focus in on one thing and fix it,

1268
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,760
you're just you're you're just playing the game of politics

1269
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,760
as it's been played since nineteen thirty three.

1270
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:26,199
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Pete, holy shit, yes, I'm sorry. I'm

1271
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:28,359
like just getting pumped from hearing you say that, because

1272
01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:32,159
it's precisely that there's this weird paradigm people are stuck

1273
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,319
in the mythoss of the Second World War, and it's like, dude,

1274
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,159
that is like dead and guard read what is now?

1275
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:43,880
What's happening now? Like the considerations of our time are

1276
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,560
not an ex collapse, it's a and those issues stem

1277
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,720
from precisely what you're saying, the problems of the soul

1278
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:55,039
of seeking out great challenges and building a team around it,

1279
01:17:55,079 --> 01:17:58,520
building a vision. No one's doing that, aside from tearing

1280
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,319
everyone else down so that they can aggrandize themselves. Let's

1281
01:18:02,319 --> 01:18:05,479
build everyone else up. Let's let's make a team effort.

1282
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,199
And I love hearing you say that, Pete, because that's

1283
01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:12,159
exactly Especially Bukeley is such a great example, because it

1284
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:14,920
shows that yes, you can, you can fix you know,

1285
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,880
your shipthold whole country and make it like a paradise

1286
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:21,079
with America and make it a paradise. It's only a

1287
01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:25,359
matter of willpower and vision. I think we can give that,

1288
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,880
especially if we can we stand true to our principles.

1289
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,399
And I think one of the great things about Elon

1290
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,159
Musk in his interview is that he stands great risk

1291
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,399
all the time. I mean, the government is constantly now

1292
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:43,399
litigating him under specious charges, bullshit charges, but that's what

1293
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,439
it's going to take. And that's part of life, is

1294
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,439
that people want to tear you down and you have

1295
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,319
to conquer them for their own good to build them up.

1296
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:51,159
Speaker 1: And one of the.

1297
01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 3: Greatest things Bukeley does did was cracked down on the

1298
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:59,880
lowest and most detrimental segments of society and rebuild from

1299
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,039
what was good upwards. And I completely agree with you, Pete.

1300
01:19:03,039 --> 01:19:04,920
I want to go down there to myself and like

1301
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,199
help him. However I can, you know, in my small way.

1302
01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:11,119
Speaker 2: I think the lessons that we can draw from these

1303
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:13,920
two individuals and other people that have risen to power

1304
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:17,479
is that it's a long game. You know, Eland didn't

1305
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,359
show up. I mean, he's been doing this for three

1306
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:25,079
four decades. Bukele as I don't know as much about him,

1307
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:27,800
but and he's a younger man as well, and it's

1308
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,039
a smaller country and so perhaps there's a quicker path

1309
01:19:31,079 --> 01:19:33,920
to things like that. But from what Pete has described,

1310
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,880
it sounds like he had to go through some trials

1311
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,359
to get to where he is. He had to go

1312
01:19:37,399 --> 01:19:41,760
through the left, which is an interesting angle, but it

1313
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:46,359
works so good for him. Hats off. Whatever works, and

1314
01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:50,960
that's that's something I think a lot of people, whether

1315
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:56,119
they're entrepreneurs or leaders or builders or whatever, I think

1316
01:19:56,159 --> 01:20:00,319
they maybe they take the Hollywood montage. To me, it's

1317
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:02,439
of the guy who goes from rags to riches. That

1318
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:03,800
the scarface, you know.

1319
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 4: Like boat off a Cuba and now he's going to

1320
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,520
push it to the limit.

1321
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's not real. It takes a little longer

1322
01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:16,840
than two minutes. And you just got to be a grinder.

1323
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:19,520
And I think, uh, you know, there's something to be

1324
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,840
said for charisma, of course, but you also gotta you

1325
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,760
gotta tell yourself.

1326
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 4: You know that that this is going to happen.

1327
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 2: Uh, and tell others as well, and keep that positive mindset.

1328
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:31,279
Speaker 1: Uh.

1329
01:20:31,319 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: And if you if you fall into that negativity trap,

1330
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,239
it just destroys you, It destroys your team.

1331
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,039
Speaker 4: And I think real leaders have to do better than that.

1332
01:20:41,279 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: Well. And I think something that that Thomas seven seven

1333
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:48,640
seven says is we're not j Elvis witnesses. We're a vanguard.

1334
01:20:49,279 --> 01:20:53,319
We don't need we're not looking for numbers. We're looking

1335
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,560
for people who you know, like the PayPal mafia. Take

1336
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,119
that mean the paypalm mafia is a perfect example. It's

1337
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:03,079
just a it's just a small group that gets stuff done.

1338
01:21:03,279 --> 01:21:07,800
Basically controls controls Silicon Valley or controlled Silicon Valley, and

1339
01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:11,840
the ankle biters. They you have to dismiss these people.

1340
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,800
You don't need these people, the people who when I

1341
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,039
say something about Boo Kelly go, well, you know he

1342
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:20,079
kissed the wall one time and his wife is probably

1343
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:23,760
and his wife is half Sephardic. I don't get I'm

1344
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,439
judging him by what he's doing.

1345
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, well what does the other guy got?

1346
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,319
Speaker 2: I mean, like, what's if you're saying he's so bad,

1347
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:32,840
show me something better. And I'm not gonna I'm not

1348
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,119
going to like, you know, look back one hundred years

1349
01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:36,279
for what your model is.

1350
01:21:36,319 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 4: Like. We need to get going. Now, show me some progress.

1351
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you? How are you waiting for?

1352
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,439
You know? And this is what I tell people all

1353
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,119
the time. Do is I mean you have to be

1354
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:50,199
insulating yourself. You have to be doing things for yourself,

1355
01:21:50,279 --> 01:21:52,800
you know. I mean, we're we moved to where we

1356
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:58,159
did because it's it's very quiet. It's remote. It's not

1357
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:02,439
a it's not in sanely remote, but it's remote. We

1358
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,760
can grow food here. We have we have friends who

1359
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,359
have chicken houses and all sorts of stuff. We can

1360
01:22:09,399 --> 01:22:12,159
take care of ourselves. It's a small group, a very

1361
01:22:12,199 --> 01:22:17,720
small town, very manageable, very manageable politically. Everybody knows everyone,

1362
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:24,000
everyone knows the police. Until we can get that, you know,

1363
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,159
we have those people, put that vanguard together. Even if

1364
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:30,199
you're not part of the vanguard, even if you're just

1365
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:33,399
a thought, you know, somebody who's there to help with ideas,

1366
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,319
Somebody who has money, somebody who can I mean, I

1367
01:22:37,359 --> 01:22:41,199
mean some of these assholes like Stephen Crowder who was

1368
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:43,399
like crying because dli wire was going to pay him,

1369
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,640
what fifty fifty million dollars for four years. What could

1370
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:49,119
we do with fifty million dollars?

1371
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 4: That's a great question.

1372
01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:55,199
Speaker 2: Actually, we we should probably figure that out because those

1373
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:59,079
are you know, again, I'll shut up about Elon Musk someday,

1374
01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:01,560
but I'm always fine new things. I like that he's

1375
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:05,159
taught me, and he one of the earliest things, Like

1376
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:07,560
there's a hilarious clip of him when he like didn't

1377
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,880
get his hair implants, like after he sold like a

1378
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:12,920
x dot com or whatever it was to PayPal, he

1379
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,479
got his first millions and he bought a McLaren and

1380
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,960
they're lowering it to like his suburban house, and he's

1381
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,079
still married to his first wife. But he's sitting there

1382
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:25,039
and he's like giving this really dorky interview, and he's like,

1383
01:23:25,079 --> 01:23:27,560
you know, it's really easy, like in Silicon Valley. If

1384
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,439
I just want to go raise ten million at the

1385
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,079
capital's right there, and I'm like, wow, what a mindset.

1386
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 4: Like.

1387
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: You know, if you actually have the idea and the

1388
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,920
team and the leadership and the capability, you don't have

1389
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,800
to get that yourself. You just raise the money, you know,

1390
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,199
And that's how actually true movers and shakers think. They

1391
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:48,079
use other people's money. There's like books about this, but

1392
01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:49,880
I think that's a great question.

1393
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:51,520
Speaker 4: What would we do with fifty million?

1394
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,079
Speaker 2: I don't know because I actually haven't adopted that mindset

1395
01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:56,920
in a practical sense. But until we are, we start

1396
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,119
thinking big, we're not going to achieve big things.

1397
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:03,279
Speaker 1: Well, I started small. I read Peter Thiel zero to

1398
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:06,159
one on my podcast. I read the whole thing over,

1399
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:09,520
I think, with seven episodes, and it's just a way

1400
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:15,560
to get into the mind of people who think way

1401
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,279
differently than we do. I think he said. In one

1402
01:24:19,279 --> 01:24:22,359
of the chapters, he said that all the people who

1403
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,920
started PayPal, He said, I think the five people who

1404
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,800
started PayPal, four of them as teenagers, had independently of

1405
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:38,199
each other, built bombs. Okay, so what does that mean.

1406
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:44,239
It means these are outside the box there, these are

1407
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,479
these are way outside the box thinkers, you know. And

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01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,640
you know what he talks about in that book is

1409
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,960
he's like, everybody, we've been conditioned to believe that competition.

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01:24:55,079 --> 01:24:59,039
Competition is what what the world is all about, the

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01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:02,399
world of business is all about. He's like, no, He's like, no,

1412
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:07,000
monopoly is what the world is all about. The monopoly

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01:25:07,119 --> 01:25:11,039
is the only way that you get innovation. Because we

1414
01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:13,800
don't want monopoly, you know he and he downplays us

1415
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,600
a whole way through the book. We don't want to

1416
01:25:19,399 --> 01:25:22,199
have the kind of monopoly that is like cronyism, where

1417
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:25,960
you're lobbying the government to be the only one in existence. No,

1418
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:30,880
you want to create something that is so groundbreaking, that's

1419
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,760
so outside the box that you make billions off of it.

1420
01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:38,880
But in the process of making billions off of it,

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01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:43,079
you've changed humanity. You've just you've improved humanity.

1422
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: That's where the breakout occurs. It's when you've created that news.

1423
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,680
It's what the title of the book is. It's zero

1424
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,000
to one as opposed to one, two, a million or something.

1425
01:25:52,039 --> 01:25:54,680
I mean anything times zero is zero. So if you can,

1426
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,760
if you could like you know, the primordial Big Bang

1427
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,680
or God creating the universe, that's what he talking about,

1428
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,640
doing something that groundbreaking. There's another book called uh I

1429
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,560
think it's Blue Ocean Strategy. I haven't actually read it,

1430
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,319
but it seems like a really simple idea, so I

1431
01:26:09,319 --> 01:26:13,279
didn't bother but the concept was, so there's these big

1432
01:26:13,399 --> 01:26:16,479
tidal blooms that happened in the ocean, and it's basically

1433
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,359
a bunch of like plankd in and stuffed whales eat

1434
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,520
that they just they go nuts. They breed like crazy,

1435
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,760
and they choke off all the oxygen to the point

1436
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,800
where everything is just it just dies. At a certain point,

1437
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,520
they kind of reach that Multhusiam limit and everything just

1438
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,840
starts collapsing. But you don't want to be in the

1439
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,560
middle of that. If you want to stand out, you

1440
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,560
want to go where the water is blue. That's kind

1441
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,079
of the thesis of the book. So you kind of

1442
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:46,239
want to think tangentially, you know, they all want you

1443
01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:49,079
to kind of go to the London School of Economics

1444
01:26:49,159 --> 01:26:51,359
or Harvard or whatever and played by the stupid rules

1445
01:26:51,359 --> 01:26:53,640
that are kind of rigged against you.

1446
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 4: You're not going to get.

1447
01:26:55,119 --> 01:26:57,560
Speaker 2: Really far with you might you might become a millionaire

1448
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,680
or something, but you're never gonna become a billionaire by

1449
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:02,720
of getting good grades. You have to I mean, most

1450
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,960
of these guys dropped out of school, so I think

1451
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,319
that's that's that's a big lesson. It's like, okay, you

1452
01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:11,920
can do okay, but if you really.

1453
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 4: Want to change the world.

1454
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,359
Speaker 2: I forget the quote, but it's it's sort of like

1455
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,880
nothing nothing ever. I think it was like a feminist quote.

1456
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,960
It's like nothing ever changed by like reasonable women or something,

1457
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,239
so all the all the change is like unreasonable women.

1458
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,079
Speaker 4: You could say the same thing about men. It's like

1459
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,119
you have to you.

1460
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:33,279
Speaker 2: Have to think kind of tangentially, almost irrationally, that these

1461
01:27:33,319 --> 01:27:37,600
crazy things are possible. And I would just say, you know,

1462
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:40,479
make sure you know you're honest with yourself about what

1463
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,039
you're accomplishing, and if it's not working, try something else.

1464
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:46,199
But you know that there is to me at least

1465
01:27:46,359 --> 01:27:51,880
some some value in being realistic. But you you need

1466
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,880
to team and you need to inspire people. And I

1467
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,560
think that's that's a big lesson here, is like you

1468
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,239
need to have something really, really impressive and exciting.

1469
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: I want to apologize to Lance. I was on a

1470
01:28:02,039 --> 01:28:04,640
different screen than he dropped out and he was out

1471
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:05,520
of there for a while.

1472
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, they just attacked me, dude, they attacked me.

1473
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:10,920
It's okay, I'm back.

1474
01:28:13,399 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: Do you have any do you have anything to add

1475
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:15,840
to that? I know, even listen to it.

1476
01:28:16,319 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 3: I think you know, like, I think you guys are

1477
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,279
spot on, and it doesn't just extend to the world

1478
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:26,359
of I guess, of course, innovation extends in many different

1479
01:28:26,399 --> 01:28:29,359
directions and everyone has their specific skill set. I think

1480
01:28:29,399 --> 01:28:31,600
the most important thing that you guys pointed out is

1481
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:35,199
to seek opptunities wherever they may be and making the

1482
01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:38,960
most of it, exploiting it. And I think you're absolutely right.

1483
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,319
I think Adam is absolutely right. I think the PayPal

1484
01:28:42,399 --> 01:28:48,319
mafia is incredibly inspiring precisely because they were able to

1485
01:28:48,359 --> 01:28:51,600
out maneuver the crony cap you know, establishment as it

1486
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,520
had been before, with just something completely out of the box,

1487
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,399
as you'd said, and uh, and they have real world effects.

1488
01:28:59,399 --> 01:29:01,479
I mean, look at you long Musk, he owns X

1489
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:06,680
major social media network, he owns Tesla, He's going to Mars,

1490
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,680
He's doing multiple things, and that's because he pursued. I mean,

1491
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,560
do you think he had fun with PayPal? Do you

1492
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,800
think that's interesting to him?

1493
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 4: No?

1494
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 3: I think he understood that it was a stepping stone

1495
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,560
to something greater, to going to Mars, and I'm absolutely

1496
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,880
sure that's how he feels about Tesla and everything else.

1497
01:29:23,319 --> 01:29:25,640
So it's absolutely great and it's a great example for

1498
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,960
our own selves to set for our own selves, for

1499
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,960
our own success. And more importantly, probably.

1500
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: More all right, Lance, you're roboting like crazy, so now

1501
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,560
it's you know you're roboting like crazy. But all right,

1502
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,479
let's wrap this up because I've been sitting on my

1503
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,439
butt in front of the screen for now going on

1504
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,159
in a little over three hours today. So I'll give

1505
01:29:52,199 --> 01:29:54,039
I'll give you guys to Florida to say something and

1506
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:59,560
hopefully Lance can uh not sell Space Odyssey, but Adam

1507
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:00,039
go ahead for.

1508
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,279
Speaker 2: Just just glibly, I want all the listeners to know

1509
01:30:03,359 --> 01:30:05,840
that any support you give to Pete will be going

1510
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,880
towards his purchase of a standing desk.

1511
01:30:08,359 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 4: I think that's that's a great thing as.

1512
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: We all reach our middle age, we need to we

1513
01:30:12,079 --> 01:30:14,359
need to be getting good posture.

1514
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,199
Speaker 4: So hope you're not sitting too much today.

1515
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 2: But in any case, yeah, I think the team is

1516
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,199
absolutely critical. I think that's sort of what Lance was

1517
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:29,119
trying to hit upon another Musk thing, and I hopefully

1518
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:33,720
we'll stop. But he's interesting also because he has the

1519
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,640
guts and Pete, we actually talked about this when you

1520
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:40,600
came on our show a couple episodes ago, where Musk

1521
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,680
is willing to fire people and lay off people. And

1522
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,439
that's that's hard. I mean, it's really hard. It's not

1523
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,720
something I'm comfortable doing. You know, I have, I've had

1524
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,520
to do it, actually, but it really sucks. But it's

1525
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:55,640
a skill because you need to know what your culture.

1526
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,119
We're talking about culture, right, and a company culture or

1527
01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:00,760
a government culture, or a nation's culture. You need to

1528
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,960
know what that culture stands for. And if you have

1529
01:31:03,039 --> 01:31:07,239
people to come in that actually are problematic, they need

1530
01:31:07,279 --> 01:31:08,640
to go and it. You know, you need to be

1531
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,199
fair about it, and you need to set performance goals

1532
01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:16,239
and measurements that can be objective, but you can quickly

1533
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,359
murder a company with bad culture. You don't have to

1534
01:31:19,399 --> 01:31:21,600
look any further than Boeing and what's going on with

1535
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,039
that place. They have a bad culture, and I think

1536
01:31:25,119 --> 01:31:28,640
Musk recognizes that and what he did at x Twitter

1537
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,479
when he bought it. The first thing he did was

1538
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:34,119
he laid off eighty percent of the employees. And guess

1539
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:37,560
what the company did. Find it's actually doing better now.

1540
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,680
So do the same thing for the US government. If

1541
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,840
and I forgot what that thing was called, pete A Project.

1542
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:48,319
Speaker 4: Twenty there you go.

1543
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good idea, and it was sort

1544
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:57,920
of what Vivek Ramaswami was pushing and that we need

1545
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,680
to get rid of most of these people because frankly

1546
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,840
they're useless, and secondly they're actually worse than useless. They're

1547
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:12,279
problematic and they're obstructionist, their counter revolutionary in the communist terminology.

1548
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,199
So I think that's a big lesson that I think

1549
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:17,760
if we ever get in positions of power, we need

1550
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,960
to take it seriously, and take culture seriously, and take

1551
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:25,479
our team seriously, and reward those that do take it

1552
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:30,039
seriously and do a good job, and get rid of

1553
01:32:30,039 --> 01:32:32,439
the people that are not doing that, because in effect,

1554
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:38,279
you're poisoning the well for those that are instrumental and

1555
01:32:38,319 --> 01:32:43,399
caring for that mission by keeping the people that are negative,

1556
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,720
are problematic, are not willing to learn, are not willing

1557
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,600
to become part of that project.

1558
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 4: They are extremely detrimental. And I think that's another lesson.

1559
01:32:55,079 --> 01:32:56,199
Speaker 1: Less well.

1560
01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you for having me

1561
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,520
on p I don't want to carry on too long

1562
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,399
because don't want to lose connection again. But I just

1563
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:02,960
want to say thank you and thank you Adam.

1564
01:33:04,359 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Of course to your plug. Tell people where they can

1565
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,039
find your work.

1566
01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:11,159
Speaker 3: Lance Just go ahead and you can find me on

1567
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:14,159
Twitter at Lance Legion, and you can also go to

1568
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,479
DVX Publishing Company dot com. You can find all the

1569
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,560
information there. I just wrote a book.

1570
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:20,199
Speaker 1: Check it out.

1571
01:33:21,039 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 3: But again, thank you so much.

1572
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:26,199
Speaker 1: No problem at all, Adam plug.

1573
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 2: Myth twenty c dot com, same thing on Twitter. Also,

1574
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:38,239
our writing companion site is the americansun dot substack dot com.

1575
01:33:38,279 --> 01:33:40,439
We just moved over there, so it's on substack. But

1576
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:45,560
the American son is Hank my co host project and

1577
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:49,000
Ryan Landry actually used to do a lot there. He's

1578
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,279
still involved as well, but it's a growing site. And yeah,

1579
01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:55,680
check us out on Myth twenty c or the American son.

1580
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Gentlemen, thank you very much.