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welcome back everybody. We are so glad you're joining us again.
This is part two of our def Leopard episodes. We
are super excited to talk to you today about Hysteria.
If you haven't heard our last episode, that was the
one where recovered Pyromania. And then when we're done with
those two albums, we'll give you our final judgment on
which we think is the best of Deaf Leopard.
Speaker 3: I'm freaking stoked to talk about Hysteria.
Speaker 2: This album brings back far more memories for me than
Pyromania did. Pyromania came out, I was still pretty young,
really more listening to Michael Jackson when Hysteria came out.
I was middle school moving into high school as those
singles were being released, and yeah, I have lots of
memories associated with It's.
Speaker 3: The really unique thing for me about this album is
when you're fourteen years old and an album stays prominent
for two whole years, Yeah, it covers a lot of
your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it really does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we'll get more We'll get more into that
as we go, but let's dive into the history of
the making of Hysteria before we talk about the songs.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. Okay.
Speaker 3: So after Pyromania, and after they had gone from eight
hundred at the beginning to Jack Murphy Stadium and they're
playing in front of gobs of people, Yeah, massive success.
Speaker 2: Opening for Billy Squire and people would leave after their
opening set.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to becoming a headlining prominent eighties band with this
hop metal masterpiece Pyromania. Yeah, So they are going back
in the studio now to make a follow up to Pyramania,
and they expect to make it really in a couple
of years, maybe a year or two.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it had taken them longer to record Pyromania
than it had any other album that they had done
up until that point. But you know, when they had
so much success with Pyromania, they're thinking, Okay, we're willing
to put in the time. We're willing to be abused
by Mutt Lang, right because this, I mean, the success
of this one has been incredible. And so they had
one or two songs that they started off with that
they put a few demo tapes together for and then
things started to get bad.
Speaker 3: So they go back to the studio. On February of
eighty four, they actually moved to Dublin. They're leaving England
for tax reasons, right, And they go to Dublin in
February of eighty four to start work on the follow
up album. Yeah, but the big problem at this time
is that Mutt Lang is unavailable. I mean, this guy
is their mentor. He's the guy who we talked about
built the album Brick by Brick, and he's out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When you get an album that sold six million
copies as much heck as you went through with the guy,
you can go, well, he knows how to put together
an album. We're going to have to do this again,
all right.
Speaker 3: So with Mutt laying out, and they go to this
list of possible producers. Yeah, and one of the guys
they actually look at is Phil Collins of Genesis.
Speaker 2: The singer Phil Collins. Yeah, that's rights the studio. Does
he produce album?
Speaker 3: I don't know that he's ever produced an album.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well that's an interesting choice. They didn't
go with him.
Speaker 3: Though, they didn't, but yeah, his pop sensibilities I don't know.
I mean, I can see that, but they settled on
Jim Steinman. Okay, So Jim Steinmond was the songwriter for
that out of.
Speaker 2: Hell right, so he's a songwriter but not a record producer.
This seems kind of odd, you know, from what they
went through before when we looked at the way that
Mutlang puts the record together. He is the sixth member
of the band, and to take somebody who basically doesn't
know how to play the instrument that's in front of
him seems a NodD choice.
Speaker 3: It does seem like an odd choice, and we should
say before we leave out Lane, he actually did do
some songwriting sessions with the guys, so he did start
the process with them, but he bows out due to exhaustion.
Jim Steamon steps in, Well, I've heard Joe Eliot talk
about he was not a fan really from the get go,
and during the recording sessions that they would work on.
I remember talking about when they were recording Don't Shoot Shotgun,
which is a song on the backside of Hysteria, that
Jim Simon said, all right, guys, go for it. They
played a little bit and Jim Steimon was like, yep,
sounds great and Steve Clark was like, dude, we haven't
even warmed up yet, which is the exact opposite of lane.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, So.
Speaker 3: It just wasn't a really good fit, so they decided
to let him go, kind of like Eric Stoltz really
in Back in the Future. They were down the road
and decided to make that hard choice of the same
work and we gotta change, So.
Speaker 2: They cut him loose.
Speaker 3: And then on New Year's Eve of eighty four, Rick
Allen is driving in his.
Speaker 2: Corvette right following behind an Alfa Romeo driving with his
girlfriend at the time. The Alfa Romeo is going slowly, yes,
and so he tries to pass. When he tries to pass,
the Alpha Romeo speeds up, and so he has to
back off because they're curves coming ahead, and it goes
on like this. He gets behind the Alpha Romeo, it
slows down, he tries to pass, it speeds.
Speaker 3: Up, and when he decides to finally hit the gas,
that's it. I'm leaving this guy behind.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: There's a big swerve and before he can do anything,
he crashes into a brick wall, flips his car upside down,
and he tears his arm off.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, the seatbelt is the thing that probably took
his arm off because he was not wearing it properly.
This is a tragedy, but he is so blessed to
have been where he was when the accident occurred, because,
as it turned out, there's a nurse who lives right
there next to where the accident occurs. She goes out
to see what's wrong, and then a police officer who
is her neighbor puts his head over the wall to
see what's going on. And Rick Allen is standing up
still conscious. Didn't even lose consciousness, which is probably a
part of why he didn't bleed out because he was
so tense. All he can say is I'm a famous
drummer and I've lost my arm.
Speaker 3: What a crazy nightmare scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the police officer ended up having to go find
the arm up under the dash of the car, and
so they pack it. They rush him and his girlfriend
over to the hospital. But they make the decision to
reattach the arm.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 3: Actually they think it went pretty well.
Speaker 2: The surgery went well, but it takes up. They thought
it was going to revive.
Speaker 3: After like a week, it started to become infected, and
that infection was actually going to threaten him.
Speaker 2: Can you can you imagine that heartbreak of number one,
I have to have my arms for my career, that
makes me millions of dollars, and I've just lost with them.
And then number two, I get this momentary, I've reattached
it and everything looks like it's going to be okay,
and then you've taken it away from me again. It's
utterly heartbreak.
Speaker 3: Every second of that week, you've got to be thinking, Okay,
I think it's working.
Speaker 2: I'm on back arm. And then after that, after they
had to take that arm off, they said, you know,
the other thing is that there's an infection and if
it spreads to your other arm, you're going to live
that one too. I mean, it was serious. It's I
just can't imagine.
Speaker 3: So the band is distraught for him. Initially they were
worried that he might not even live, Yeah, his life, disinfection,
losing the arm, and they had to worry about him living.
Speaker 2: Then they had to worry about what are we going
to do? What are we going to do? I love
to listen to these guys talk because it was never
even a thought in their mind that they would say,
you know, we got to find somebody else. It was Rick,
what do you think? And Rick said, I'm gonna make
this work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome, and what a tribute to him. They
went and visited him like three weeks after this, after
they had taken his arm back off. Yeah, and he's
sitting there playing with one arm and pillows. They walk
in and he's like, guys, I think I can do this.
I just need to play the other thing with my feet.
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy is a guy who had been
playing drums since he was a little kid. And then,
as we talked about in our last episode, he's the
youngest member of the band, and he goes from hey,
we're in this garage band to hey, we're doing world
tours by the time he's seventeen or eighteen years old. Yeah,
it's incredible drumming his whole life, he said. At this point,
he's like, Okay, this is a wake up call. This
is a new challenge for me. I'm going to take
this and I'm going to use it as motivation to
become an even better drummer than I was before.
Speaker 3: So the band leaves him to recover and they get
back in the studio and we'll start writing. By this time,
mut Lange had finished up with Heartbeat City.
Speaker 2: He had been involved as in a car accident as well,
but ultimately he healed up.
Speaker 3: Mutt Laying decides, guess what, guys, I'm back.
Speaker 2: Back, and there was much rejoicing.
Speaker 3: That's right, I'm back and now I'm going to beat
you guys to death to get an even better album
out of you.
Speaker 2: Right, And it was that process, but they need what
to expect at this point. That's right now.
Speaker 3: They literally worked from February of nineteen eighty four, I mean,
if you want to be technical, through.
Speaker 2: Like February of eighty seven, three years.
Speaker 3: But during the process, during all this craziness, Rick Allen
made the comment that between mutt Ling and the concerts
and the music and the album and my crash and
the all this, that we fired this guy.
Speaker 2: This is crazy.
Speaker 3: This is like Hysteria, and they thought that's it. That's
the name of the album. So we can talk specifically
as we go through the songs, but we've talked in
the previous episode that this has built brick by brick.
When they strum the guitars on the song Hysteria, yep,
it's actually they recorded it no by no, no, by no.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So even if you don't play guitar, you can
easily imagine the pick goes string by string. Even though
it's going fast, it still has to just hit one
string at a time, and so there's a sound of succession.
What Mutt Lange did was to take out that sound
of succession, and the guitar is all of the strings
at the same time, almost as if you were you're
beating them with a drumstick, except it's the sound of
a plucked string, all of them plucked at the same time.
Speaker 3: That's why it gives it that unique sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a very unique sound.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when they were working on these songs, yeah,
and Mutt Lang is beating them to death in the
studio and they're talking about songs, they're writing songs. Yeah,
and they sit down for a meeting, Mutlan.
Speaker 2: Says, all right, guys, here's our goal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want a pop metal album that is thriller.
Speaker 2: Which means what it means. Every song on this album
could be a single. Do you think they accomplished it.
I do think they accomplished it. They certainly accomplished it
for the A side, There's no question about that. Because
every single one of them was a successful son.
Speaker 3: I would say ten of twelve. Wow, I mean, what
a lofty goal. We've talked to you and I have
talked at length about Thriller and Bad.
Speaker 2: It has been really exciting to go through the albums
that we're going through. I didn't appreciate as much. I
did appreciate, but I did appreciate it as much. How
much the producer is a part of the sound of
the band. With Michael Jackson, obviously we had Quincy Jones
is a huge part of the success of Thriller and
Bad with Van Halen, Ted Templeman is a huge part
of success with David Lee Roth and the Boys, and
Don Landy is a huge part of the way they
sound and sound differently with Sammy has Yeah. So with
this we've got Mott Lang the producer and the production
is a huge part of all popular music from as
far back to the Beating s.
Speaker 3: All right, So their goal is thriller and they want
to make every single a releasable song. Right, So let's
go through the list and find out what we think
about these songs.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good, all right?
Speaker 3: So the first song on the album and The first
single that they actually released in the United States.
Speaker 2: And only in the United States, was a song called
Women Love It. Women was released in July of eighty seven.
Speaker 3: They hoped that the hard rock sound would reconnect with
their rock audience, particularly because they know that they had
some softer songs to come, like hysterian love bites. So
the Women single is released in July of eighty seven.
I actually remember when the video came out. I was
super excited because I had that history with Pyromania, right,
but it kind of landed with a thud in the US.
Speaker 2: It didn't do as well, no, as awesome as a
video is, it's still the news. Well, and let me
just say, as far as the hysteria videos are concerned, well,
they certainly made up. They got better. Oh my gosh,
I videos were so bad and these not all these
were great, but they were certainly a sight better than
the other ones.
Speaker 3: So it goes to number eighty on the Hot one hundred. Yeah,
doesn't even crack the top fifty on the Top Rock charts.
It gets to number seven, but really it was kind
of disappointment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So interestingly, the B side of this one, which
was a song that wasn't on Hysteria actually did really well.
It's a song called tear It Down. So we'll take
a listen to that report. That's a kick by song.
That song is awesome. So they ended up it got
radio play and they ended up performing that on the
MTV Music Awards in eighty nine, and then later they
re recorded it for Adrenalized.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let me take you back to a time
when we didn't have Spotify or the Internet. Okay, yeah,
some people will not remember this time, but for me as.
Speaker 2: Our listeners, wimber time, Yeah, that's right, I help you
will and if you are one of the select few
of seventeen and undred guys who listen, this is historical.
There was a time where music was much harder to
come back. That's right, and we're glad to have you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but during this time, So for me, I didn't
buy I had the cassette tape for ast Area.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, but this is.
Speaker 3: A time early on in CDs, right, so they would
release the CD with the B side of tear It Down.
So women released the United States had the other track
was tear it Down right Flash for to April of
eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets radio play. Tear It Down is like
a hit. Yeah. I can't get my hands on it all.
Speaker 3: Right because two years prior, that CD single is long gone. Yeah,
and I can't spotify it, I can't internet it. I
got to wait for the radio to play it.
Speaker 2: Right, which I'm sure that most of our listeners have
a memory pretty clearly of sitting by the radio with
with a Maxell cassette tape plugged in, just hoping against
hope that the DJ didn't talk over the introduction to
the song you wanted to record. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Tear It Down kind of a timely thing
about the Berlin Wall relatively. Yeah, I mean these songs
are not real. No, they're not politically, they're not political,
which I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then so on this video, the video, the
boy is reading a comic book and it is def
Leppard and the Women of Doom is the name of
the comic book. And you have a superhero who rides
around on a sort of space skateboard kind of thing
that looks very much like Joe Elliott, and he ends
up on the planet Doom where they're making robotic women.
And this kid's reading this outside of the warehouse where
the band is inside performing the song, and the robotic
women when they're instructed, their instructions are worship our masters
every need this anagram being women.
Speaker 3: I didn't even guess that there have our masters every need.
It's kind of like step fod wise there in the
video other than the drawn comics. Yeah, there's not a
single woman in the video.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: This is the first video that they did after Rick
Allen had had his arm amputated.
Speaker 3: It's a great song. Oh yeah, it's a great song,
and it's a staple of they're live. I mean, I've
seen them live many times and they play this all
the time.
Speaker 2: And just to touch on their live shows, you know,
they did a in the round concert tour with this album.
And there are a few things to keep in mind here. Well.
The first one, what was going on underneath the stage
was described by one photographer as sodom and gomorrah or
there were sixty women with no clothes on whatsoever. And
so as the band performed, they would need breaks, and
so a couple of guys would stay on stage.
Speaker 3: And it was Joe Elliott and Rick Allen. So Rick
Allen's playing the drums and Joe Elliott is kind of
thunder god.
Speaker 2: You know, let's hear it for Rick Allen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil and Steve and Saver under the stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good doing who knows what? And we won't go
into the family show. I'm sure they were just having coffee.
But you know, when they started that tour, Rick Allen
wasn't as confident in his ability to play, and so
they had a guy named Jeff Rich come in and
be there, their drummer that was there to kind of
fill in. And then a few shows in it was
like pre shows to this tour that they're about to
go in. Jeff Rich's plane ends up getting to he
doesn't show up to the concert on time, and so
Rick Allen's just got to do it. And Jeff Rich
comes in kind of sheepishly toward the middle of the
concert and kind of fades back into the back, and
when the concert's done, he says, well, it was nice
knowing you guys, but I think Rick, you don't need me.
Speaker 3: That's such a cool story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he came out. When Rick came out on
stage that first time after the amputation, there were fifty
thousand people chanting his name. That's so cool, it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: I owned a drawling No, I don't know, all right.
Speaker 3: So the second track of the album is Rocket. This
was released in January of eighty nine. This was their
last was the last video was Steve Clark. Yes, it's
actually filmed in the same warehouse that Women was filmed in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's to me it sounds a lot like Women.
They have a very similar sound to him, these two songs.
They did any thing on this called backmasking, where they
would record things backwards. It wasn't the weird stuff that
you heard about with Led Zeppelin decades before. It was
just the killer yourself now stop it. They would record
things like we're fighting with the Gods of War, which
is one of the lines from Gods of War. Record
that one backwards.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, that is such a cool little nugget. We
really had to play that because the beginning part of Rocket,
I'm listening to it going it's weird. You can't verbalize it, ye,
And then when I hear, oh my gosh, that's We're
fighting for the Gods of War backwards. Yes, in the
middle of it, they're making these songs, these sounds.
Speaker 2: This is a sampling of bites. Now, the coolest part
of this thing is the drums. Listen to it right here,
you get it. So this actually came from a song
called Barundi Black, and we'll play a snippet of that
for you right here. So the sound of those drums
is unmistakable as the same drums that are in Rocket.
So what happened was Joe Elliott heard that song, he
heard the Barundi Black and he's like, Okay, I think
I can do something with this, and they took that,
just that drum piece and then built the song off
of that. It's really cool. And then it was just
supposed to be those drums and him singing Rocket over
and over again. And then decided just at some point
he threw in Satellite of Love. Well, Satellite of Love
is an old Lou Reed song, and it was kind
of on you know, Joe Ellie. It's list of awesome songs,
and so they thought, why don't we do a whole
song that are awesome influences that have influenced this musically
over the years.
Speaker 3: Part of the songs mentioned so here, I'll just give
you some of the lyrics. Right they say, Jack Flash,
rocket Man, Sergeant Pepper and the Band, Ziggy, Bennie and
the Jets. So Jumping Jack, Flash Rocketman by Elton John,
Sergeant Pepper by.
Speaker 2: The Beatles, Benny and the Jets by Elton John, and
Ziggy Started Us by David Bowie. Yeah, there would think
three different David Bowie songs because they also said something
about they say Major Tom Yep, they say Johnny b
Geene Genie Killer Queen by Queen Major Tom.
Speaker 3: Johnny b is Johnny be Good flash back to Our
Raiders Back to the Future episode. Okay, so this is
early on in CD time, right. Like I mentioned, I
had this on tape on cassette. It's one of the
very one of the about five tapes that I played
it so much it broke. But you could buy CD singles.
But as you acquired the CD singles, it actually you
laid it down on the floor and it made a.
Speaker 2: Huge picture of hysteria.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the album cover and for a kid like me
at fourteen, it was like collecting baseball cards. Like I
wanted to buy the CD singles, I'd have this thing
lay down on my floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's awesome, all right.
Speaker 3: So this brings us to the third track on the album,
which is Animal Right.
Speaker 2: The demo on this one was recorded before Rick Allen
had his car accident.
Speaker 3: This is one of the oldest songs on Hysteria, so
having a track where rig Allen plays with both arms
is kind of a neat thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then they just never felt like it was right
during the recording process.
Speaker 3: This is this took some three years to perfect this song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had recorded all of the instruments, the drums,
the vocals, and as two and a half years down
the line, they're like, you know what, this this is
already kind of getting old to us, and they're thinking,
we don't want something that we want something it's going
to be timeless, not something that we're going to be
tired of before it's even released, And so they stripped
it of everything except for the vocals and Rick Allen Thompson.
The video on this one, if you're trying to remember
all of your Death Leopard videos, is the one where
they're at the circus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the guy throws knives in Joe Elliott and Yes,
it was.
Speaker 2: During this particular video that had suddenly occurred to me
how often Steve Clark holds his guitar up in the
air whenever the camera's I mean, God rest his soul.
He I kind of look back at some of the
other videos, like every time the camera goes on to
Steve Clark, He's like, hey, look at my cane. Hey awesome,
I am.
Speaker 3: I like, how to hold it really low or really high?
This was their first hit in England. Yeah, it was
the first time they cracked the top dan for anything
in England. And just to mention, Jim's Diamond's version of
this had a sweeping orchestra.
Speaker 2: Okay, i'd be interesting. I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Whatever the course it took to get the song to
where it is today, I like it a lot to
where it is today.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure I want to hear the orchestra
version of this song. I would, I'd listen to that.
Speaker 3: This is the song that caused me to buy the
Day by the whole album. Yeah, okay, So when Women
came out I saw the video, I'm like, all right,
deth Leverer's back at it about time. Yeah you know,
But when I heard Animal, I was like, take me
to the record store right now.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So the next song that's on the album is Love Bites.
This one is a definitive power about with that doubt
when you make it.
Speaker 3: This is their first number one hit, by the way, Yeah,
reached the number one spot on the top of.
Speaker 2: One hundred, right. So I can remember school dances, slow
dance under this song, heart pounding, wondering what's gonna happen?
Nothing ever, nothing ever happened this one. Interestingly, this is
kind of crazy. This one was supposed to be like
a country style song by Mount Lang. I mean, it
was a I cannot imagine what that could have sounded like.
I got to hear this as a country song sometimes. Well, okay,
let's see, we'll see if I can find that for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2: This is the only track on Hysteria that has keyboards.
According to this.
Speaker 3: Song love bites, Yeah, it bleeds, brings me to my knees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lives, dies, eggs, bleats, It's a lot of stuff.
Here's a quick story for love Bites.
Speaker 3: You're ready for this all right? So, like I said,
I had this tape. I played it all the time,
had it with me all the time. I bring it
in the car. But can you play this one? That's no,
you can't play it in the car. But at my house.
My parents were very cognizant of what I was listening to. Okay,
so Molly Crue not in this house, mister, do it
not in the house? Oh yeah. But so I had
this tape and my dad was like, all right, let
me check this tape out right, and he looks at it,
and he's looking at and he's reading through it. Okay, women,
all right, rocket animall, okay.
Speaker 2: Whatever, Wait a minute, what exactly are love bites? Oh
that's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love you dad, Thank you.
Speaker 2: They like bon buns. Would you like to try some
of love bites?
Speaker 3: This song actually has a little bit of car traversit
to it. I don't know if you're you remember this,
but at the very very end of the song.
Speaker 2: You can hear just a little bit of nothing, just barely.
Speaker 3: Voices, right, yeah, right right, Okay, So people thought that
it said Jesus of Nazareth go to hell.
Speaker 2: What Yeah, at the very end, Actually.
Speaker 3: That's Mutt Lang saying, yes it does bloody hell, but
it's really quiet. Yes it does bloody hell. All right,
that wraps love Bites.
Speaker 2: Right. This brings us to my gosh, yeah, you talk
about flowing your frigging mind. So here's my story on
this song. Come on. So I'm in as great and
I'm the king of the middle school, right, Me and
my buddies are the king of the mid middle school
because we're in eighth grade and we're the oldest ones there,
and we're like, you know what, we're gonna go to
a high school dance, and so we decide we're gonna
go high school dance, firs high school dance I've ever
been to. And I go in. I'm like, oh my gosh,
this is crazy awesome and I don't want to know,
and I'm nervous and all of this. And if anybody
remembers your first dance, especially if you're a guy, you're like,
do a dance to a not dance to just sit
here and act cool? What am I supposed to do?
And then yeah, girls are begging you to dance, and
you're just like, oh, okay, finally you go out there
and dance and you look like a white kid dancing,
puberty ridden white kid dancing, but hey, it's okay. You're
having fun and I can remember it the first dance
into the dance and the DJ says, all right, everybody,
here is the song you've all been waiting all night
for and they start cranking Pour Some Sugar on me,
and the room erupts. I was like, this is amazing.
I've never heard this song before, but I'm going to
go find it right after this is done. I've got
to go find this because this song is incredible. It
was incredible.
Speaker 3: So let's let's dive into it because before we talk
about the videos. Yeah, not the video, the videos, yeah plural, Yeah,
let's talk about the song. This song is when the
album actually took off, right.
Speaker 2: So they had you know, they had a good had
good sales with Pyromania. They spent five million dollars recording
this album.
Speaker 3: They sold three million copies with Hysteria, which was pretty good.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, we just sold three million albums. Yeah yeah,
that's awesome success. Except we haven't made back the money
that we spent make my album, which is kind of
a big deal for the rec companies until Poor Some
Sugar comes out and everyone goes crazy.
Speaker 3: I heard a record executive say that they moved four
hundred and fifty thousand units on one day because of
the success and Poorts Some Sugarummy, Yeah, that's almost going
gold in one.
Speaker 2: Day, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: So he said he had never seen a song be
that powerful. If you listen to it, it's it's kind
of like.
Speaker 2: A rap yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Joylie talks about how this is modeled after Walk This Way.
Speaker 2: They were not really sure how rap and rock and
roll would go together, and then Run DMC and Aerosmith
came out with a rendition of Aerosmith's old seventies song
Walk This Way, and they go, well, I guess it
can be done. Let's do it.
Speaker 3: But this is really interesting. First of all, before we
even get into that, there is a song I believe.
Speaker 2: From the sixties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, called Sugar Sugar by the Archies. Yeah, okay, I'm
gonna blow your mind on this here ready for this.
Speaker 2: Everybody will recognize the injury to this song, but what
you may not remember is the end of this song.
It is freaking unbelievable.
Speaker 3: I just found this out this week after living with
this album for thirty years. So Joe Elliott, this is
his first record that he actually bought.
Speaker 2: Sugar Sugar by the Archies, So this song they actually
they didn't have this song for most of the recording process.
They were toward the end of the album and Mutt
Lang is walking by and he hears Joe Elliott playing
a riff on the guitar and he says, that's good.
What is that? And so they take it and they
play with it.
Speaker 3: It's incredible, it's incredible. They were on a coffee break
when he was fiddling around with this. This is in
January of eighty seven. Okay, they are wrapping up Armageddnett,
which was the last song on the album. Yeah, Mutt
Lange felt like the album is great, Yeah, but we're
really we really need that signature song that we don't
have yet, right, and they the record company is impatient.
Speaker 2: This is taken three years.
Speaker 3: What the heck get this album out right?
Speaker 2: And so he hears Joe Elliott playing this and he's like,
who this could be it, this could be the one.
And so the way that they get the lyrics to
this is this is funny as can be. You've got
the sound, and so how do we get the lyrics. Well,
Mutt Lang and Joe Elliott go to opposite sides of
the room and they have a little dictaphone and they
listen to their recording of the riff and they just
do this kind of stream of Consciousness. Here are the
lyrics that just pour out as I'm thinking of them.
And then they trade dictaphones and they listen in and
they try to figure out what the other guy was saying,
and at some point, Joe Elliott hears the words love
is like a bomb. Whether that's what Mutt Lang said
or not, that's what Joe Elliott heard, and that was.
Speaker 3: What they built the entire so a freaking incredible story.
Speaker 2: This was ranked number one on MTV Top three hundred
Videos of All Time in May of ninety one. In
two thousand and six, it ranked number two on VH
one's Greatest Song from the Eighties. Number one was Living
on a Prayer.
Speaker 3: Before Do you move on to that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: VH one ranked this as the number two song from
the eighties.
Speaker 3: Yes, it only reached number two on the Hot one
hundred charted. The number one song that week, Hold On
to the Nights by Richard.
Speaker 1: Marks, just went up.
Speaker 2: There's no way that song is better than fortun Trigger.
I mean, right when they do the video for the song,
there's two versions. There's two versions.
Speaker 3: One is spectacular and one is terrible.
Speaker 2: One is off. Oh my gosh, it's not as bad
as the Pyromanium videos. It's worse. It's way worse because
at least the Pyromania videos were weird and interesting. This
is just bad.
Speaker 3: We got to post this video on our Facebook page.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do that.
Speaker 3: If this video is the v hippo for this song,
this song does not do as well.
Speaker 2: No, it may still do great, but nothing compared to
what it did do.
Speaker 3: It took a great song, made a looking dorky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you don't know the original video to
this song, the guys are singing in this kind of
old lady looking house apartment in this building that is
being torn down by these very manly looking women, and
sporadic shots of a crowd of nerdy looking people shouting
poor some sugar on me. It's whoa, what happened? This
is terrible. Fortunately they are wise enough to look at
it and go, this is terrible. What else can we do?
And live and around in your face. They took footage
from that tour, specifically their performance in dim and they
made the video that everybody knows and loves. In the video,
he's wearing the T shirt, the women T shirt. Yes,
he's got the comic book that the kid was reading
from the women video. It's got he's got his own picture,
he's got his own superhero. I want to have that. Okay,
I want to have a T shirt that's me as
a superhero in a comic book on the T shirt.
Can we get one of those? Here's a funny story
for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap myself out. But
in that video, he's got the women's shirt cut down, sleeveless, right,
that's really cool.
Speaker 2: The mullet is in full glory.
Speaker 3: But he has a pair of jeans that have like
the horizontal ribs on them all the way through.
Speaker 2: I took a pair of jeans, yeah.
Speaker 3: Cut them up, washed them, didn't wear them in public,
just wore them in my room when I listened to
songs play the air drums.
Speaker 2: True story, that's true story. This song has an entirely
to me an entirely different field than all of the
rest of the songs on the album. It is stripped down.
It is not the mut lang, We're gonna, We're gonna
put all these things together. It is very very basic,
very much drums and singing and just music and sporadic
bursts that gives it that kind of black dog from
led Zeppelin feel where You're just This song kicks more
butt than any other song on the album.
Speaker 3: Ye, and it's vaguely sexual too. Pour Some Sugar.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the bubble is that they're breaking it.
I don't, but for some reason it makes me feel
a little dirty. You've got the peaches, I've got the cream.
Speaker 3: I we're having an ice cream party.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it is. Yeah, all right, it's a cobbler. Okay.
Speaker 3: Are we done with Poor Some Sugar on Me? A
whole song on the album?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: So the sixth track on the album is Armageddon It yep,
this is the most fun the nuclear war has ever been.
Speaker 2: I mean, Armageddon has nothing to do with it, nothing
at all.
Speaker 3: This is This was released in January of eighty nine.
This is This is almost a year and a half
after the album came out, right, and they're still they're
wiring it up.
Speaker 2: Well, they're riding that poor Some Sugar on Me way. Yes,
I mean it's and love bites, love bites, Poor some
Sugar on Me armor gedding it they are. They're cruising
that thing first while they are surfing that wave yep.
Speaker 3: This song reached number three in January of eighty nine
on the Hot one hundred, only beat out by Two
Hearts by Phil Cohens Oh, former possible producer for Hysteria Ironic,
and Don't Rush Me by Taylor Dang mentioned. So but
it's a play on words, right, Are you getting it?
Speaker 2: Now? You getting it?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: I'm getting it right. I love this song.
Speaker 3: The hook of the guitar is so catchy. It is
a pop metal, awesome five star song.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the play on words. It's got some novelty.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: I liked it when I was a kid. They do
their video in the exact same way as they did
with Pour Some Sugar on Me and why not? It
works so well? They do it again, Yes, and once again.
This was the last.
Speaker 3: This was supposed to be the last song completed for
the album. Huh but thankfully what Lange said, you know what, Joe,
We're going to go explore that poor some Sugar on
Me video that you got there, Yeah, and keep building.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So but the poor you know, we talked about
them not making their money back. It was Pour Some
Sugar on Me. They caused the album sales to skyrocket
beating Pyromania and making them the money back, and then
multiple folds over. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: Hit stop on your tape, deck, kick ast your cassette,
flip it over. Now we're going to side to okay,
but before we do, Side one of Hysteria maybe the
best one side of any album in the eighties. Wow, Women, Rocket,
Animal Love Bites, pour some sugar on me, arm again it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I might have agreed with you back in nineteen eighty nine.
I don't know that I'm gonna agree with you right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, hey, we're gonna dive into a whole bunch
of albums, so sure, yeah, let's go for it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the first track on side two a song called
Gods of the World. This song has Ronald Reagan sounding like.
Speaker 2: Dirty Harry huh. This is kind of a.
Speaker 3: Diehard the Hunter. Yeah, Pyromania, Yeah, jacked up on steroids.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's a little tougher. I felt like a little
they're trying to kind of get into that metallic a
side of things a little bit, but it's still very
mud laying, very highly produced.
Speaker 3: I think this is a song that if it had
a killer video behind it, it could have been a successful single.
Speaker 2: The chorus in this song is awesome and they only
play it twice.
Speaker 3: And then you close out with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald
Reagan saying you thought America is going to be passive,
you gutted wrong. And then all these you know, war
stuff and hey, let's go okay. Song after that is
a song called Don't Shoot shotgun, catchy song.
Speaker 2: I know all the words. It's a little goofy, more sex,
more guns. There you go.
Speaker 3: This is one of the oldest songs on the album.
Jim Steinmon actually worked on this with the band. Good song.
Not a great song, but a good song. Moving on
to a song called run Riot for me, this is the.
Speaker 2: Weakest track on the album. Okay, I mean.
Speaker 3: It's it's a good song. I still love it, but
it's not a not a high recommend for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I mean to shoot you straight on
the B side I had to push through. I had
to push to get through these hysterias obviously on the
B side, and it's a decent song, but the rest
of the songs I had to just kind of force
myself to listen through.
Speaker 3: All Okay, well, run Right is not the best track
on the album, number.
Speaker 2: Ten track Hysterio Hysterio which I'll do something for you.
Now you know you gave us that little Archies gold nugget.
I'll do something for you. Okay. So this song is
Goodbye Blue Sky by Pink Floyd. Wow Wow Wow. Yeah.
Goodbye Blue Sky by Pink Floyd off the Wall album.
It's one of my favorite songs off the album, and
it's unmistakable. You know when you when you when you
hear hysteria. If you're a semi Pink Floyd fan, you're
gonna go. This sounds familiar. If you're a big Pink
Floyd fan, you're gonna go. Are they playing Goodbye Blues guy?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 2: Because it's bottom Wow. I've never heard that before. I'm
not a Pink Floyd guy. So wow. So you blew
my mind with the Archiees. Thank you. I'll blow your
mind to Pink Floyd and we can keep on rolling. Well,
that's cool for me.
Speaker 3: Goodbye Blue Skuy. Aside, this song is gorgeous. It's layer
upon layer upon layer of guitars and just it just
seings to my soul. I love this song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the reason one of the reasons that
I like this song so much is that it reminds
me so much of the Pink Floyd style. And I
said that about I said that about some of the
songs from Pyromania as well. They're definitely taking some ideas
from the Pink Floyd library and running with them and
make them there out.
Speaker 3: I did hear Phil Colin talk about how he and
Rick Savage had come together with some different ideas, and
Rick Savage had played this guitar part and Phil Collen
would play the air that little strum that we talked
about yep. And it was very similar to when we
talked about right Now from Van Halen. Two guys different
rooms working on the same song.
Speaker 2: They just didn't know it.
Speaker 3: When they came together. They say, well, i'm working on this.
Oh that sounds good. Hey, I've been working on this. Hey,
that sounds good. And they put it together and that
became this song.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So this song did very well. I think it reached
number ten, not one. This was definitely a put it
on the Girlfriend Makeout Mix of eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, okay, yeah? Are you excitable? Are you excitable? Okay?
Speaker 3: Are you excitable? This was mut Lange's attempt at making
some sort.
Speaker 2: Of rock dance song.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's kind of vaguely naughty at the beginning, right, No,
are you excitable?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: It's good, It's it's kind of got. It's got that
same thing going the action what's the action song from
Action not Words, Action not Words from Pyromania. It's got
that same kind of subtlety going. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have the Hysteria Super Deluxe Edition and it has
a excitable the orgasmic mix.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: And then finally we top it all off with Love
and Affection, which for me, this is another song that
could have been released as a single. If you could
put a put a cool video with this, it could
have been a huge hit. I love Love and Affection.
I am standing on this hill and dying. Love and
Affection is in the top percent of the songs on
this album.
Speaker 2: You have to say, I'm ranking it up for sure
on the top percentage. I rank it above Love Bites.
I like it better than the Wow. Yeah. Okay, so
it's it's just a it's a really cool song, all right.
So you know the band sadly Highs and Lows, Highs
and Lows tragically, after they finished their tour, Steve Clark
lost his battle with alcoholism. It had been a constant
issue that he had to deal with. His fiance came
to the band a couple of different times to go, hey,
you guys, I mean, and they were all heavy drinkers,
and Phil Collen, his guitar partner the Terror Twins, was
his drinking buddy, and at some point Phil Colin said
I've got to quit. And so Steve, who had dealt
with depression and used alcohol as a way to deal
with that, suddenly has lost his drinking buddy and his
downward spiral could not be stopped despite multiple attempts. They
sent him to rehab for a significant portion of time,
and he was just biting his time until he could
start drinking again.
Speaker 3: He was in the looney bin where yeah, Joeli, he
talks about that with the people that talked to Trees.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He had some significant personal problems, yeah, and they were
one of these deals were like, look, dude, if you
don't straighten up, you're on the band.
Speaker 2: Right And it's such a hard thing. You don't you know,
until you walk a mile in somebody else's shoes, you
cannot judge their actions. I had I actually had a
friend from high school. I'm forty four years old. I
had a friend from high school die three weeks ago
from his paddle with alcoholism. If you've if you've got
that problem, and you've got that depression that you're dealing with,
you get to ask yourself, would you rather not be alive?
Or would you rather just not be sad? And if
the answers you'd just rather not be sad? Please seek
professional help. There are people out there who love you,
who want you to stay around.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3: On the inside cover of Hysteria, the band said, sorry,
we were gone so long from Paramania. It took us
a long time to get here. We won't be gone
this long ever again. Right. Well, with the problems that
they had and the death of Steve Clark, they were
gone even longer. So I remember where I was sitting
when I heard the news of Steve Clark had died.
I was such a big deaf Leopard fan and I'm
sitting around. Of course, this is before the Internet, this
is in nineteen ninety, like, when in the crap are
they going to get a new album out? And I'm
sitting on my now wife's bed as we're cleaning upper room.
We're working on something, and the radio says sad announcement,
Steve Clark died, and I'm like, what, Yeah, it blew
me away, you.
Speaker 2: Know, all right, So were ready.
Speaker 3: To dive in a we're ready to talk final judgment.
Let's talk final judgment.
Speaker 2: Okay. So I got to say I said this in
the first episode when we started talking about Pyromania. When
I listened to Pyramania for the first time, it really
was like I was listening to it for the first
time because I didn't listen to it when I was
a kid. I would see the videos that came on,
but I never owned the album. I was never a
big Deaf Leopard fan, and so I when I listened
to the album for the first time, it was like, hey,
I'm back in the early eighties and I'm just imagining
myself with my headphones in my room, you know. And
I put that on and I was like, Wow, this
is really good. I was blown away. And I mean,
I knew def Leopard from a hysteria. I like, I said,
I remember dances with for some Sugar on me blowing
it up and love Bites and Dancing with the Girl,
and there's a lot of emotion there, so I knew
them from that. But to go back and listen to Pyromania,
I thought when we started this conversation, I thought, Okay, well,
I'm gonna be making that the argument for Hysteria because
those are the songs that I know. But going back,
Pyromania is my album. Wow, I will listen to that.
I will listen to that one over and over again.
When I got you know, when I got to Too
Late for Love and you've got the swirling wind going on,
and you've got that guitar that comes in and Joe
Elliott singing on top of that, just the wind, the
guitar and Joe Elliott's voice and then bam you get
hit with that the chorus and the harmony of the
rest of the band. I was like, holy crap, this
is freaking awesome. I was telling people. I was like,
we're doing this right now. I was like, have you
listened to this album lately? I became an avenge list
that is so cool man for Pyromania, and I was
just like, this is really really good. And then we
we're doing Hysterios, So I started listening to Hysteria, and
like we talked about Side A Solid right, and I'm listening,
I'm like, yeah, I'm remembering all these songs, but as
I'm listening to it, I'm like, these don't appeal to
me the same way that they did before. They're good.
I still have an emotional connection. It's that nostalgia that
you've talked about before. But as I'm driving in my car,
if from here on out, I can say, if I'm
driving in my car and you can present me with
only two options, I'm picking Pyromania over Hysteria.
Speaker 3: Hey, that is really cool. First of all, the fact
that you have discovered one of the eighties great rock
albums is super cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I have had people who have commented on the
podcast it.
Speaker 2: Only took me forty years.
Speaker 3: Well, that's so cool, and I'm glad to be sort
of a part of that deal for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have had people comment on the podcast to me
that they had forgotten how much they enjoyed Space Moll's
or Airplane or Bad. I've had a lot of people
tell me that they now appreciate Bad better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when we did the Van Halen episode and
I started listening to all the Sammy songs again, I
was like, man, these these are pretty darn good. I
mean I was kind of like, eh, I still like
Dave better, but I was really impressed that, you know, hey,
I should have given these more of a chance than
I did. And this one was just I mean, it
was brand new, it was brand new for me, and
I love it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's really cool. I'm so glad to be a
part of that. Now I got to tell you why
you're off face? All right, yeah, okay, So, first of all,
I absolutely love Pyramedia. Okay, so I am the world's
biggest def Leppard fan. I think I probably have said
it many times. I'm not really good at masking my feelings.
But for me, Hysteria is the soundtrack for my high
school years. I'm ultra nostalgic, but I think these songs
are just great. I mean, they're all great, But Pyramania
is great too. So what's the divide? What's the breaking
point for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So for me, Pyromania is the Mona Lisa of pop
metal albums. Okay, it's perfection, Okay, Okay, Now, then Hysteria
is the Mona Lisa except for the girl looks like
Jennifer Lopez. All right, they took they took something perfect
and made it perfect or okay, they made it better.
Speaker 2: You know. And we didn't talk about that. But Mutt Lang,
he came to the guys after coming back into the album.
It's like, do you guys really want to make pyromania too?
And the answers no, that we want to do something
different and we want to do something better. We want
to take it up a notch. But the question is
did they take it up a notch in your opinion? Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, did they did? And I'll tell you kind of
where I am. Yeah, when Mutt Lang goes and gets
coffee in nineteen eighty seven January and comes back and
walks by and Joy is playing on the guitar and.
Speaker 2: He's Love's not a bomb man to come and get it.
Speaker 6: On living a weather what on the phone looking like
a tram Lager videoon ma'am damn on some woman canna
be yon man man, and he.
Speaker 3: Says, stop the presses, we need to add that songless.
Speaker 2: Baby good sometimes right, okay, actually do that right. The
accidental drip.
Speaker 3: The difference between pyrameding and hysteria is that song. Okay,
you take you remove pors Some Sugar on Me, and
those albums are deadweight on the scale. They're even and
for me, the absolute mind blowing power of that song
Poor Some Sugar on Me tips the scales first.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you and I are on the same page
on pour Some Sugar on Me and this you know,
in this experience that we have of making this podcast
and listening to albums and learning about the albums, I've
told you that listen listening to the producers and what
their impact is. I had no idea, right, Mutt Lang
has a huge effect on Pyromania, and I think an
even bigger effect. And here's I'm gonna put it as
simply as I can. The more produced an album is
the more to me, it sounds kind of canned. And
so you know, you talk about whether nostalgia is really
the thing that influences or not. I can say when
I hear love Bites, I can remember slow dancing with
a girl. I can remember when I hear Pour Some
Sugar on Me, the crowd going crazy and everybody dancing
like Lord of the Flies, and it was awesome. But
if you take that part out, if you take that
experience out. If I'm just listening to Hysteria in the car,
it's not got the same connection. It doesn't have that
emotion because it's so produced. Mut Lang wanted perfection and
he achieved it. It's just that perfection kind of leaves
me a little bit cold. I like, and obviously Pyromania
is really really produced, right, I mean, they spent so
much time on it. It's a heavily produced animal, but
it's not as much And it's those little moments like
in Too Late for Love where you're breaking it down,
where it's a guitar and a singer and then a
chorus and a harmony, that's the best part. And in
Pour Some Sugar on Me, it's not hyper produced. It's
drums and a singer and a simple, simple blues lick
that makes this song so good. It's that they've taken
out the overproduction that makes poor Some Sugar on Me
so good. And I agree with you. If you take
Pour Some Sugar out of that album, it's not a
spectacular album. I'm telling you. Pyromania is better overall because
the songs are good from beginning to end. It doesn't
have the sparkling, big hitter the Pour Some Sugar on
Me is, but if you lose pour Some Sugar on
Me from Hysteria, Pyromania is obviously a better album. I
don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll be interested to see once we put
this out on social media.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be very similar to.
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson, So thriller bad, thriller bad, thriller bad, thriller bad.
Speaker 2: And then we get the occasional off the wall person.
So we're gonna hear somebody's gonna sayhy and drive of this.
I'm gonna we're gonna hear it. Yeah, trust me, we're
gonna hear it. Now, if somebody says Adrenalize is the
best album they're out, we're gonna have to see your
ide Did you show me your idea?
Speaker 3: Adrenalize is kind of the third in the trilogy, you know,
they kind of see it as the trilogy, but it
is a step down.
Speaker 2: Well, but it's it is. It was good candy rock.
They took it that. They just kept getting more and
more pop and pop and poppy pop, and then.
Speaker 3: It's like eating Jocot Jim cookies for dinner.
Speaker 2: It's too much yeah. But for me it's hysteria.
Speaker 3: For you it's paramania. Yeah, I love them both.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What do you think we want to hear from you guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Let me just say I walked in today so
excited because I love doing this with Jason. He's my
best friend and knuckles there. Yeah, we're good falls. I
love geeking out with him, but I love listening to
you guys. We are getting so much feedback on Facebook
and it is fantastic. People telling us what you're crazy,
you know, why would you think this? This is ridiculous
and we love it. I mean it's we want you
guys to dive in with us, and again we're blown away.
We thought we'd have a handful of listeners that we
all knew their first name. There are lots of you
out there who are telling your friends about us. Thank you.
It means so much to us. We love you. Please
keep sharing the good news, and please keep talking with
us on Facebook. That's right, Thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 3: Give us a five star honest review if you can
and share with your friends, or.
Speaker 2: If it's a dishonest five star review, that would be
well they does as well, that'd be fine too.
Speaker 3: It's been fun and we will see you next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to talk about Braveheart and Gladiator. Yes,
and on this one we can say with some strength
we do not love both of these movies.
Speaker 3: That one still kills me.
Speaker 2: Come back. Yeah, after this one, you want to hear
a real argument that those will be the episodes to
listen to. All right, sign it off, oh Music image