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Pyromania Versus Hysteria episode from season one. We love these episodes.

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hope you enjoy this one. This drops us right into

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the middle of nineteen eighty seven, and it is a

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great beginning for our Summer of eighty seven series. That's right.

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Speaker 3: This week we go track by track through def Leberts

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it's in the rough. Nobody wants a bunch of rough

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it cleaned up so you can see the ball at

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Speaker 2: Guys. Don't forget it's easier to see a giraffe on

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the plane than it is in the forest. Okay, that's good.

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Really do you want to get right.

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 5: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't Be

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Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten

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of eighties and nineties pop culture with your co hosts,

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James D. Graves and Jason Colban.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jason, step inside, walk this way, you and me, babe, Hey, Hey,

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welcome back everybody. We are so glad you're joining us again.

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This is part two of our def Leopard episodes. We

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are super excited to talk to you today about Hysteria.

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If you haven't heard our last episode, that was the

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one where recovered Pyromania. And then when we're done with

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those two albums, we'll give you our final judgment on

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which we think is the best of Deaf Leopard.

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Speaker 3: I'm freaking stoked to talk about Hysteria.

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Speaker 2: This album brings back far more memories for me than

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Pyromania did. Pyromania came out, I was still pretty young,

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really more listening to Michael Jackson when Hysteria came out.

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singles were being released, and yeah, I have lots of

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Speaker 3: The really unique thing for me about this album is

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when you're fourteen years old and an album stays prominent

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for two whole years, Yeah, it covers a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it really does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we'll get more We'll get more into that

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the making of Hysteria before we talk about the songs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So after Pyromania, and after they had gone from eight

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hundred at the beginning to Jack Murphy Stadium and they're

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playing in front of gobs of people, Yeah, massive success.

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Speaker 2: Opening for Billy Squire and people would leave after their

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to becoming a headlining prominent eighties band with this

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hop metal masterpiece Pyromania. Yeah, So they are going back

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in the studio now to make a follow up to Pyramania,

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and they expect to make it really in a couple

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, it had taken them longer to record Pyromania

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so much success with Pyromania, they're thinking, Okay, we're willing

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to put in the time. We're willing to be abused

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by Mutt Lang, right because this, I mean, the success

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of this one has been incredible. And so they had

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one or two songs that they started off with that

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they put a few demo tapes together for and then

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things started to get bad.

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Speaker 3: So they go back to the studio. On February of

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eighty four, they actually moved to Dublin. They're leaving England

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for tax reasons, right, And they go to Dublin in

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February of eighty four to start work on the follow

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up album. Yeah, but the big problem at this time

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is that Mutt Lang is unavailable. I mean, this guy

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is their mentor. He's the guy who we talked about

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built the album Brick by Brick, and he's out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. When you get an album that sold six million

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copies as much heck as you went through with the guy,

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you can go, well, he knows how to put together

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an album. We're going to have to do this again,

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Speaker 3: So with Mutt laying out, and they go to this

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list of possible producers. Yeah, and one of the guys

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they actually look at is Phil Collins of Genesis.

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Speaker 2: The singer Phil Collins. Yeah, that's rights the studio. Does

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Speaker 3: I don't know that he's ever produced an album.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well that's an interesting choice. They didn't

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Speaker 3: Though, they didn't, but yeah, his pop sensibilities I don't know.

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Jim Steinman. Okay, So Jim Steinmond was the songwriter for

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that out of.

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Speaker 2: Hell right, so he's a songwriter but not a record producer.

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Mutlang puts the record together. He is the sixth member

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of the band, and to take somebody who basically doesn't

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know how to play the instrument that's in front of

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him seems a NodD choice.

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Speaker 3: It does seem like an odd choice, and we should

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say before we leave out Lane, he actually did do

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some songwriting sessions with the guys, so he did start

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the process with them, but he bows out due to exhaustion.

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which is a song on the backside of Hysteria, that

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Jim Simon said, all right, guys, go for it. They

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played a little bit and Jim Steimon was like, yep,

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sounds great and Steve Clark was like, dude, we haven't

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even warmed up yet, which is the exact opposite of lane.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, So.

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Speaker 3: It just wasn't a really good fit, so they decided

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to let him go, kind of like Eric Stoltz really

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in Back in the Future. They were down the road

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and decided to make that hard choice of the same

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work and we gotta change, So.

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Speaker 2: They cut him loose.

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Speaker 3: And then on New Year's Eve of eighty four, Rick

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Allen is driving in his.

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Speaker 2: Corvette right following behind an Alfa Romeo driving with his

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girlfriend at the time. The Alfa Romeo is going slowly, yes,

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and so he tries to pass. When he tries to pass,

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the Alpha Romeo speeds up, and so he has to

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back off because they're curves coming ahead, and it goes

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on like this. He gets behind the Alpha Romeo, it

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slows down, he tries to pass, it speeds.

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Speaker 3: Up, and when he decides to finally hit the gas,

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that's it. I'm leaving this guy behind.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: There's a big swerve and before he can do anything,

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he crashes into a brick wall, flips his car upside down,

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and he tears his arm off.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, the seatbelt is the thing that probably took

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his arm off because he was not wearing it properly.

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This is a tragedy, but he is so blessed to

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have been where he was when the accident occurred, because,

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as it turned out, there's a nurse who lives right

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there next to where the accident occurs. She goes out

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to see what's wrong, and then a police officer who

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is her neighbor puts his head over the wall to

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see what's going on. And Rick Allen is standing up

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still conscious. Didn't even lose consciousness, which is probably a

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part of why he didn't bleed out because he was

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so tense. All he can say is I'm a famous

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drummer and I've lost my arm.

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Speaker 3: What a crazy nightmare scenario.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the police officer ended up having to go find

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the arm up under the dash of the car, and

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so they pack it. They rush him and his girlfriend

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over to the hospital. But they make the decision to

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Speaker 3: Actually they think it went pretty well.

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Speaker 2: The surgery went well, but it takes up. They thought

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Speaker 3: After like a week, it started to become infected, and

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that infection was actually going to threaten him.

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Speaker 2: Can you can you imagine that heartbreak of number one,

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I have to have my arms for my career, that

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makes me millions of dollars, and I've just lost with them.

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And then number two, I get this momentary, I've reattached

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it and everything looks like it's going to be okay,

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and then you've taken it away from me again. It's

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utterly heartbreak.

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Speaker 3: Every second of that week, you've got to be thinking, Okay,

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I think it's working.

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Speaker 2: I'm on back arm. And then after that, after they

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had to take that arm off, they said, you know,

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the other thing is that there's an infection and if

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it spreads to your other arm, you're going to live

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that one too. I mean, it was serious. It's I

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just can't imagine.

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Speaker 3: So the band is distraught for him. Initially they were

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worried that he might not even live, Yeah, his life, disinfection,

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losing the arm, and they had to worry about him living.

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Speaker 2: Then they had to worry about what are we going

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to do? What are we going to do? I love

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to listen to these guys talk because it was never

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even a thought in their mind that they would say,

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you know, we got to find somebody else. It was Rick,

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what do you think? And Rick said, I'm gonna make

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this work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome, and what a tribute to him. They

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went and visited him like three weeks after this, after

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they had taken his arm back off. Yeah, and he's

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sitting there playing with one arm and pillows. They walk

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in and he's like, guys, I think I can do this.

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I just need to play the other thing with my feet.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy is a guy who had been

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playing drums since he was a little kid. And then,

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as we talked about in our last episode, he's the

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youngest member of the band, and he goes from hey,

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we're in this garage band to hey, we're doing world

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tours by the time he's seventeen or eighteen years old. Yeah,

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it's incredible drumming his whole life, he said. At this point,

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he's like, Okay, this is a wake up call. This

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is a new challenge for me. I'm going to take

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this and I'm going to use it as motivation to

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become an even better drummer than I was before.

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Speaker 3: So the band leaves him to recover and they get

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back in the studio and we'll start writing. By this time,

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mut Lange had finished up with Heartbeat City.

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Speaker 2: He had been involved as in a car accident as well,

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but ultimately he healed up.

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Speaker 3: Mutt Laying decides, guess what, guys, I'm back.

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Speaker 2: Back, and there was much rejoicing.

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Speaker 3: That's right, I'm back and now I'm going to beat

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you guys to death to get an even better album

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out of you.

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Speaker 2: Right, And it was that process, but they need what

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to expect at this point. That's right now.

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Speaker 3: They literally worked from February of nineteen eighty four, I mean,

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if you want to be technical, through.

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Speaker 2: Like February of eighty seven, three years.

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Speaker 3: But during the process, during all this craziness, Rick Allen

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made the comment that between mutt Ling and the concerts

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and the music and the album and my crash and

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the all this, that we fired this guy.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy.

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Speaker 3: This is like Hysteria, and they thought that's it. That's

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the name of the album. So we can talk specifically

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as we go through the songs, but we've talked in

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the previous episode that this has built brick by brick.

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When they strum the guitars on the song Hysteria, yep,

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it's actually they recorded it no by no, no, by no.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So even if you don't play guitar, you can

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easily imagine the pick goes string by string. Even though

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it's going fast, it still has to just hit one

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string at a time, and so there's a sound of succession.

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What Mutt Lange did was to take out that sound

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of succession, and the guitar is all of the strings

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at the same time, almost as if you were you're

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beating them with a drumstick, except it's the sound of

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a plucked string, all of them plucked at the same time.

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Speaker 3: That's why it gives it that unique sound.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a very unique sound.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So when they were working on these songs, yeah,

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and Mutt Lang is beating them to death in the

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studio and they're talking about songs, they're writing songs. Yeah,

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and they sit down for a meeting, Mutlan.

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Speaker 2: Says, all right, guys, here's our goal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we want a pop metal album that is thriller.

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Speaker 2: Which means what it means. Every song on this album

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could be a single. Do you think they accomplished it.

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I do think they accomplished it. They certainly accomplished it

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for the A side, There's no question about that. Because

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every single one of them was a successful son.

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Speaker 3: I would say ten of twelve. Wow, I mean, what

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a lofty goal. We've talked to you and I have

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talked at length about Thriller and Bad.

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Speaker 2: It has been really exciting to go through the albums

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that we're going through. I didn't appreciate as much. I

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did appreciate, but I did appreciate it as much. How

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much the producer is a part of the sound of

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the band. With Michael Jackson, obviously we had Quincy Jones

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is a huge part of the success of Thriller and

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Bad with Van Halen, Ted Templeman is a huge part

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of success with David Lee Roth and the Boys, and

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Don Landy is a huge part of the way they

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sound and sound differently with Sammy has Yeah. So with

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this we've got Mott Lang the producer and the production

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is a huge part of all popular music from as

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far back to the Beating s.

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Speaker 3: All right, So their goal is thriller and they want

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to make every single a releasable song. Right, So let's

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go through the list and find out what we think

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about these songs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good, all right?

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Speaker 3: So the first song on the album and The first

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single that they actually released in the United States.

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Speaker 2: And only in the United States, was a song called

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Women Love It. Women was released in July of eighty seven.

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Speaker 3: They hoped that the hard rock sound would reconnect with

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their rock audience, particularly because they know that they had

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some softer songs to come, like hysterian love bites. So

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the Women single is released in July of eighty seven.

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I actually remember when the video came out. I was

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super excited because I had that history with Pyromania, right,

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but it kind of landed with a thud in the US.

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Speaker 2: It didn't do as well, no, as awesome as a

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video is, it's still the news. Well, and let me

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just say, as far as the hysteria videos are concerned, well,

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they certainly made up. They got better. Oh my gosh,

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I videos were so bad and these not all these

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were great, but they were certainly a sight better than

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Speaker 3: So it goes to number eighty on the Hot one hundred. Yeah,

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doesn't even crack the top fifty on the Top Rock charts.

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It gets to number seven, but really it was kind

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of disappointment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So interestingly, the B side of this one, which

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was a song that wasn't on Hysteria actually did really well.

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It's a song called tear It Down. So we'll take

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a listen to that report. That's a kick by song.

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That song is awesome. So they ended up it got

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radio play and they ended up performing that on the

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MTV Music Awards in eighty nine, and then later they

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re recorded it for Adrenalized.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let me take you back to a time

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when we didn't have Spotify or the Internet. Okay, yeah,

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some people will not remember this time, but for me as.

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Speaker 2: Our listeners, wimber time, Yeah, that's right, I help you

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will and if you are one of the select few

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of seventeen and undred guys who listen, this is historical.

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There was a time where music was much harder to

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come back. That's right, and we're glad to have you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but during this time, So for me, I didn't

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buy I had the cassette tape for ast Area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, but this is.

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Speaker 3: A time early on in CDs, right, so they would

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release the CD with the B side of tear It Down.

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So women released the United States had the other track

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was tear it Down right Flash for to April of

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eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets radio play. Tear It Down is like

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a hit. Yeah. I can't get my hands on it all.

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Speaker 3: Right because two years prior, that CD single is long gone. Yeah,

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and I can't spotify it, I can't internet it. I

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got to wait for the radio to play it.

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Speaker 2: Right, which I'm sure that most of our listeners have

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a memory pretty clearly of sitting by the radio with

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with a Maxell cassette tape plugged in, just hoping against

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hope that the DJ didn't talk over the introduction to

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the song you wanted to record. That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Tear It Down kind of a timely thing

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about the Berlin Wall relatively. Yeah, I mean these songs

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are not real. No, they're not politically, they're not political,

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which I appreciate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then so on this video, the video, the

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boy is reading a comic book and it is def

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Leppard and the Women of Doom is the name of

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the comic book. And you have a superhero who rides

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around on a sort of space skateboard kind of thing

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that looks very much like Joe Elliott, and he ends

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up on the planet Doom where they're making robotic women.

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And this kid's reading this outside of the warehouse where

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the band is inside performing the song, and the robotic

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women when they're instructed, their instructions are worship our masters

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every need this anagram being women.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even guess that there have our masters every need.

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It's kind of like step fod wise there in the

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video other than the drawn comics. Yeah, there's not a

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single woman in the video.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: This is the first video that they did after Rick

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Allen had had his arm amputated.

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Speaker 3: It's a great song. Oh yeah, it's a great song,

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and it's a staple of they're live. I mean, I've

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seen them live many times and they play this all

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the time.

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Speaker 2: And just to touch on their live shows, you know,

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they did a in the round concert tour with this album.

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And there are a few things to keep in mind here. Well.

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The first one, what was going on underneath the stage

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was described by one photographer as sodom and gomorrah or

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there were sixty women with no clothes on whatsoever. And

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so as the band performed, they would need breaks, and

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so a couple of guys would stay on stage.

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Speaker 3: And it was Joe Elliott and Rick Allen. So Rick

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Allen's playing the drums and Joe Elliott is kind of

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thunder god.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's hear it for Rick Allen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil and Steve and Saver under the stage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good doing who knows what? And we won't go

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into the family show. I'm sure they were just having coffee.

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But you know, when they started that tour, Rick Allen

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wasn't as confident in his ability to play, and so

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they had a guy named Jeff Rich come in and

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be there, their drummer that was there to kind of

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fill in. And then a few shows in it was

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like pre shows to this tour that they're about to

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go in. Jeff Rich's plane ends up getting to he

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doesn't show up to the concert on time, and so

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Rick Allen's just got to do it. And Jeff Rich

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comes in kind of sheepishly toward the middle of the

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concert and kind of fades back into the back, and

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when the concert's done, he says, well, it was nice

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knowing you guys, but I think Rick, you don't need me.

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Speaker 3: That's such a cool story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when he came out. When Rick came out on

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stage that first time after the amputation, there were fifty

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thousand people chanting his name. That's so cool, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: I owned a drawling No, I don't know, all right.

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Speaker 3: So the second track of the album is Rocket. This

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was released in January of eighty nine. This was their

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last was the last video was Steve Clark. Yes, it's

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actually filmed in the same warehouse that Women was filmed in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's to me it sounds a lot like Women.

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They have a very similar sound to him, these two songs.

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They did any thing on this called backmasking, where they

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would record things backwards. It wasn't the weird stuff that

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you heard about with Led Zeppelin decades before. It was

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just the killer yourself now stop it. They would record

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things like we're fighting with the Gods of War, which

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is one of the lines from Gods of War. Record

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that one backwards.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, that is such a cool little nugget. We

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really had to play that because the beginning part of Rocket,

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I'm listening to it going it's weird. You can't verbalize it, ye,

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And then when I hear, oh my gosh, that's We're

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fighting for the Gods of War backwards. Yes, in the

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middle of it, they're making these songs, these sounds.

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Speaker 2: This is a sampling of bites. Now, the coolest part

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of this thing is the drums. Listen to it right here,

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you get it. So this actually came from a song

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called Barundi Black, and we'll play a snippet of that

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for you right here. So the sound of those drums

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is unmistakable as the same drums that are in Rocket.

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So what happened was Joe Elliott heard that song, he

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heard the Barundi Black and he's like, Okay, I think

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I can do something with this, and they took that,

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just that drum piece and then built the song off

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of that. It's really cool. And then it was just

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supposed to be those drums and him singing Rocket over

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and over again. And then decided just at some point

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he threw in Satellite of Love. Well, Satellite of Love

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is an old Lou Reed song, and it was kind

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of on you know, Joe Ellie. It's list of awesome songs,

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and so they thought, why don't we do a whole

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song that are awesome influences that have influenced this musically

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over the years.

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Speaker 3: Part of the songs mentioned so here, I'll just give

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you some of the lyrics. Right they say, Jack Flash,

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rocket Man, Sergeant Pepper and the Band, Ziggy, Bennie and

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the Jets. So Jumping Jack, Flash Rocketman by Elton John,

473
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,039
Sergeant Pepper by.

474
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: The Beatles, Benny and the Jets by Elton John, and

475
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,000
Ziggy Started Us by David Bowie. Yeah, there would think

476
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,279
three different David Bowie songs because they also said something

477
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,039
about they say Major Tom Yep, they say Johnny b

478
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,119
Geene Genie Killer Queen by Queen Major Tom.

479
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,519
Speaker 3: Johnny b is Johnny be Good flash back to Our

480
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,400
Raiders Back to the Future episode. Okay, so this is

481
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,160
early on in CD time, right. Like I mentioned, I

482
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,039
had this on tape on cassette. It's one of the

483
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,680
very one of the about five tapes that I played

484
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,640
it so much it broke. But you could buy CD singles.

485
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,759
But as you acquired the CD singles, it actually you

486
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:03,720
laid it down on the floor and it made a.

487
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: Huge picture of hysteria.

488
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the album cover and for a kid like me

489
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,000
at fourteen, it was like collecting baseball cards. Like I

490
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,880
wanted to buy the CD singles, I'd have this thing

491
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,160
lay down on my floor.

492
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:15,599
Speaker 2: Yeah that's awesome, all right.

493
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: So this brings us to the third track on the album,

494
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:26,960
which is Animal Right.

495
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: The demo on this one was recorded before Rick Allen

496
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,559
had his car accident.

497
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: This is one of the oldest songs on Hysteria, so

498
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,640
having a track where rig Allen plays with both arms

499
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,880
is kind of a neat thing.

500
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, then they just never felt like it was right

501
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,759
during the recording process.

502
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,759
Speaker 3: This is this took some three years to perfect this song.

503
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had recorded all of the instruments, the drums,

504
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,640
the vocals, and as two and a half years down

505
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,240
the line, they're like, you know what, this this is

506
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,440
already kind of getting old to us, and they're thinking,

507
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,200
we don't want something that we want something it's going

508
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,279
to be timeless, not something that we're going to be

509
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,079
tired of before it's even released, And so they stripped

510
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:12,480
it of everything except for the vocals and Rick Allen Thompson.

511
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,480
The video on this one, if you're trying to remember

512
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,759
all of your Death Leopard videos, is the one where

513
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:27,400
they're at the circus.

514
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the guy throws knives in Joe Elliott and Yes,

515
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,279
it was.

516
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: During this particular video that had suddenly occurred to me

517
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,200
how often Steve Clark holds his guitar up in the

518
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,799
air whenever the camera's I mean, God rest his soul.

519
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:45,880
He I kind of look back at some of the

520
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,200
other videos, like every time the camera goes on to

521
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,599
Steve Clark, He's like, hey, look at my cane. Hey awesome,

522
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:52,960
I am.

523
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 3: I like, how to hold it really low or really high?

524
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,319
This was their first hit in England. Yeah, it was

525
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,880
the first time they cracked the top dan for anything

526
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,880
in England. And just to mention, Jim's Diamond's version of

527
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,279
this had a sweeping orchestra.

528
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: Okay, i'd be interesting. I don't know what.

529
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 3: Whatever the course it took to get the song to

530
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,759
where it is today, I like it a lot to

531
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:15,640
where it is today.

532
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure I want to hear the orchestra

533
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,920
version of this song. I would, I'd listen to that.

534
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,759
Speaker 3: This is the song that caused me to buy the

535
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:27,640
Day by the whole album. Yeah, okay, So when Women

536
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,359
came out I saw the video, I'm like, all right,

537
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,799
deth Leverer's back at it about time. Yeah you know,

538
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,039
But when I heard Animal, I was like, take me

539
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:35,319
to the record store right now.

540
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:35,799
Speaker 4: Right.

541
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:42,039
Speaker 2: So the next song that's on the album is Love Bites.

542
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,039
This one is a definitive power about with that doubt

543
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,799
when you make it.

544
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: This is their first number one hit, by the way, Yeah,

545
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,000
reached the number one spot on the top of.

546
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: One hundred, right. So I can remember school dances, slow

547
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:14,880
dance under this song, heart pounding, wondering what's gonna happen?

548
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:22,279
Nothing ever, nothing ever happened this one. Interestingly, this is

549
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,279
kind of crazy. This one was supposed to be like

550
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,640
a country style song by Mount Lang. I mean, it

551
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,960
was a I cannot imagine what that could have sounded like.

552
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,440
I got to hear this as a country song sometimes. Well, okay,

553
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,480
let's see, we'll see if I can find that for you.

554
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:37,519
Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good.

555
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: This is the only track on Hysteria that has keyboards.

556
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:41,359
According to this.

557
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: Song love bites, Yeah, it bleeds, brings me to my knees.

558
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:52,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, lives, dies, eggs, bleats, It's a lot of stuff.

559
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,160
Here's a quick story for love Bites.

560
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,319
Speaker 3: You're ready for this all right? So, like I said,

561
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,359
I had this tape. I played it all the time,

562
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,200
had it with me all the time. I bring it

563
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,440
in the car. But can you play this one? That's no,

564
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,200
you can't play it in the car. But at my house.

565
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:13,319
My parents were very cognizant of what I was listening to. Okay,

566
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:18,000
so Molly Crue not in this house, mister, do it

567
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:22,519
not in the house? Oh yeah. But so I had

568
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:23,960
this tape and my dad was like, all right, let

569
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,960
me check this tape out right, and he looks at it,

570
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,240
and he's looking at and he's reading through it. Okay, women,

571
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:30,559
all right, rocket animall, okay.

572
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:39,799
Speaker 2: Whatever, Wait a minute, what exactly are love bites? Oh

573
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:40,880
that's funny.

574
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love you dad, Thank you.

575
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: They like bon buns. Would you like to try some

576
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,759
of love bites?

577
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,359
Speaker 3: This song actually has a little bit of car traversit

578
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,119
to it. I don't know if you're you remember this,

579
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:05,720
but at the very very end of the song.

580
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: You can hear just a little bit of nothing, just barely.

581
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: Voices, right, yeah, right right, Okay, So people thought that

582
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,119
it said Jesus of Nazareth go to hell.

583
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: What Yeah, at the very end, Actually.

584
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: That's Mutt Lang saying, yes it does bloody hell, but

585
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,480
it's really quiet. Yes it does bloody hell. All right,

586
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,400
that wraps love Bites.

587
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:43,039
Speaker 2: Right. This brings us to my gosh, yeah, you talk

588
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:57,240
about flowing your frigging mind. So here's my story on

589
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,920
this song. Come on. So I'm in as great and

590
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,119
I'm the king of the middle school, right, Me and

591
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,000
my buddies are the king of the mid middle school

592
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,920
because we're in eighth grade and we're the oldest ones there,

593
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,559
and we're like, you know what, we're gonna go to

594
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,359
a high school dance, and so we decide we're gonna

595
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,599
go high school dance, firs high school dance I've ever

596
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,680
been to. And I go in. I'm like, oh my gosh,

597
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,039
this is crazy awesome and I don't want to know,

598
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,359
and I'm nervous and all of this. And if anybody

599
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,720
remembers your first dance, especially if you're a guy, you're like,

600
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,680
do a dance to a not dance to just sit

601
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,839
here and act cool? What am I supposed to do?

602
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,839
And then yeah, girls are begging you to dance, and

603
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,400
you're just like, oh, okay, finally you go out there

604
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,480
and dance and you look like a white kid dancing,

605
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,960
puberty ridden white kid dancing, but hey, it's okay. You're

606
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,680
having fun and I can remember it the first dance

607
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,559
into the dance and the DJ says, all right, everybody,

608
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,319
here is the song you've all been waiting all night

609
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,640
for and they start cranking Pour Some Sugar on me,

610
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:13,039
and the room erupts. I was like, this is amazing.

611
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,480
I've never heard this song before, but I'm going to

612
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,400
go find it right after this is done. I've got

613
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,079
to go find this because this song is incredible. It

614
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:22,960
was incredible.

615
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: So let's let's dive into it because before we talk

616
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:33,400
about the videos. Yeah, not the video, the videos, yeah plural, Yeah,

617
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,119
let's talk about the song. This song is when the

618
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,160
album actually took off, right.

619
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: So they had you know, they had a good had

620
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,759
good sales with Pyromania. They spent five million dollars recording

621
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:45,559
this album.

622
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:51,359
Speaker 3: They sold three million copies with Hysteria, which was pretty good.

623
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,319
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, we just sold three million albums. Yeah yeah,

624
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,920
that's awesome success. Except we haven't made back the money

625
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,599
that we spent make my album, which is kind of

626
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,359
a big deal for the rec companies until Poor Some

627
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,160
Sugar comes out and everyone goes crazy.

628
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: I heard a record executive say that they moved four

629
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,559
hundred and fifty thousand units on one day because of

630
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:15,200
the success and Poorts Some Sugarummy, Yeah, that's almost going

631
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:16,240
gold in one.

632
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: Day, that's amazing.

633
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: So he said he had never seen a song be

634
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:25,839
that powerful. If you listen to it, it's it's kind

635
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:26,000
of like.

636
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,559
Speaker 2: A rap yeah, I mean.

637
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,319
Speaker 3: Joylie talks about how this is modeled after Walk This Way.

638
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: They were not really sure how rap and rock and

639
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,839
roll would go together, and then Run DMC and Aerosmith

640
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,440
came out with a rendition of Aerosmith's old seventies song

641
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,000
Walk This Way, and they go, well, I guess it

642
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,079
can be done. Let's do it.

643
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: But this is really interesting. First of all, before we

644
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:58,640
even get into that, there is a song I believe.

645
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: From the sixties.

646
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, called Sugar Sugar by the Archies. Yeah, okay, I'm

647
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,160
gonna blow your mind on this here ready for this.

648
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,039
Speaker 2: Everybody will recognize the injury to this song, but what

649
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,480
you may not remember is the end of this song.

650
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,679
It is freaking unbelievable.

651
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: I just found this out this week after living with

652
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,119
this album for thirty years. So Joe Elliott, this is

653
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,360
his first record that he actually bought.

654
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: Sugar Sugar by the Archies, So this song they actually

655
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,239
they didn't have this song for most of the recording process.

656
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,440
They were toward the end of the album and Mutt

657
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,280
Lang is walking by and he hears Joe Elliott playing

658
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,800
a riff on the guitar and he says, that's good.

659
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,039
What is that? And so they take it and they

660
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:57,800
play with it.

661
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: It's incredible, it's incredible. They were on a coffee break

662
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,559
when he was fiddling around with this. This is in

663
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:07,320
January of eighty seven. Okay, they are wrapping up Armageddnett,

664
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,440
which was the last song on the album. Yeah, Mutt

665
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,880
Lange felt like the album is great, Yeah, but we're

666
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,039
really we really need that signature song that we don't

667
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:21,079
have yet, right, and they the record company is impatient.

668
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: This is taken three years.

669
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: What the heck get this album out right?

670
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: And so he hears Joe Elliott playing this and he's like,

671
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,840
who this could be it, this could be the one.

672
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:31,679
And so the way that they get the lyrics to

673
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,599
this is this is funny as can be. You've got

674
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,840
the sound, and so how do we get the lyrics. Well,

675
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,159
Mutt Lang and Joe Elliott go to opposite sides of

676
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,719
the room and they have a little dictaphone and they

677
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,960
listen to their recording of the riff and they just

678
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,800
do this kind of stream of Consciousness. Here are the

679
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,199
lyrics that just pour out as I'm thinking of them.

680
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,719
And then they trade dictaphones and they listen in and

681
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,519
they try to figure out what the other guy was saying,

682
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,079
and at some point, Joe Elliott hears the words love

683
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,559
is like a bomb. Whether that's what Mutt Lang said

684
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:11,360
or not, that's what Joe Elliott heard, and that was.

685
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,079
Speaker 3: What they built the entire so a freaking incredible story.

686
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:18,079
Speaker 2: This was ranked number one on MTV Top three hundred

687
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:21,119
Videos of All Time in May of ninety one. In

688
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,440
two thousand and six, it ranked number two on VH

689
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:29,000
one's Greatest Song from the Eighties. Number one was Living

690
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:29,960
on a Prayer.

691
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:31,159
Speaker 3: Before Do you move on to that?

692
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

693
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:31,519
Speaker 1: No.

694
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: VH one ranked this as the number two song from

695
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,400
the eighties.

696
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: Yes, it only reached number two on the Hot one

697
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,280
hundred charted. The number one song that week, Hold On

698
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,800
to the Nights by Richard.

699
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,159
Speaker 1: Marks, just went up.

700
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: There's no way that song is better than fortun Trigger.

701
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,480
I mean, right when they do the video for the song,

702
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,719
there's two versions. There's two versions.

703
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: One is spectacular and one is terrible.

704
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: One is off. Oh my gosh, it's not as bad

705
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,400
as the Pyromanium videos. It's worse. It's way worse because

706
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,519
at least the Pyromania videos were weird and interesting. This

707
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:10,440
is just bad.

708
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,079
Speaker 3: We got to post this video on our Facebook page.

709
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do that.

710
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: If this video is the v hippo for this song,

711
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:18,800
this song does not do as well.

712
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: No, it may still do great, but nothing compared to

713
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:22,880
what it did do.

714
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: It took a great song, made a looking dorky.

715
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you don't know the original video to

716
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,800
this song, the guys are singing in this kind of

717
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,159
old lady looking house apartment in this building that is

718
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:37,559
being torn down by these very manly looking women, and

719
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,639
sporadic shots of a crowd of nerdy looking people shouting

720
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,360
poor some sugar on me. It's whoa, what happened? This

721
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,199
is terrible. Fortunately they are wise enough to look at

722
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,079
it and go, this is terrible. What else can we do?

723
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,599
And live and around in your face. They took footage

724
00:37:55,679 --> 00:38:01,320
from that tour, specifically their performance in dim and they

725
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,280
made the video that everybody knows and loves. In the video,

726
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,800
he's wearing the T shirt, the women T shirt. Yes,

727
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,239
he's got the comic book that the kid was reading

728
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,920
from the women video. It's got he's got his own picture,

729
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,199
he's got his own superhero. I want to have that. Okay,

730
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:17,960
I want to have a T shirt that's me as

731
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,599
a superhero in a comic book on the T shirt.

732
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,679
Can we get one of those? Here's a funny story

733
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:22,920
for you.

734
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap myself out. But

735
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,800
in that video, he's got the women's shirt cut down, sleeveless, right,

736
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,719
that's really cool.

737
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: The mullet is in full glory.

738
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: But he has a pair of jeans that have like

739
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,000
the horizontal ribs on them all the way through.

740
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,559
Speaker 2: I took a pair of jeans, yeah.

741
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: Cut them up, washed them, didn't wear them in public,

742
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:44,519
just wore them in my room when I listened to

743
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:45,800
songs play the air drums.

744
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:51,039
Speaker 2: True story, that's true story. This song has an entirely

745
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,400
to me an entirely different field than all of the

746
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,280
rest of the songs on the album. It is stripped down.

747
00:38:56,639 --> 00:39:00,599
It is not the mut lang, We're gonna, We're gonna

748
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,519
put all these things together. It is very very basic,

749
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:08,840
very much drums and singing and just music and sporadic

750
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,519
bursts that gives it that kind of black dog from

751
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,519
led Zeppelin feel where You're just This song kicks more

752
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:18,920
butt than any other song on the album.

753
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: Ye, and it's vaguely sexual too. Pour Some Sugar.

754
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:25,119
Speaker 2: I don't know what the bubble is that they're breaking it.

755
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,360
I don't, but for some reason it makes me feel

756
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,599
a little dirty. You've got the peaches, I've got the cream.

757
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,159
Speaker 3: I we're having an ice cream party.

758
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it is. Yeah, all right, it's a cobbler. Okay.

759
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,079
Speaker 3: Are we done with Poor Some Sugar on Me? A

760
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,119
whole song on the album?

761
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: All right?

762
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,519
Speaker 3: So the sixth track on the album is Armageddon It yep,

763
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,039
this is the most fun the nuclear war has ever been.

764
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:59,599
Speaker 2: I mean, Armageddon has nothing to do with it, nothing

765
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:00,159
at all.

766
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:09,679
Speaker 3: This is This was released in January of eighty nine.

767
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,280
This is This is almost a year and a half

768
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,159
after the album came out, right, and they're still they're

769
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:15,920
wiring it up.

770
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: Well, they're riding that poor Some Sugar on Me way. Yes,

771
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:21,960
I mean it's and love bites, love bites, Poor some

772
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,920
Sugar on Me armor gedding it they are. They're cruising

773
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,800
that thing first while they are surfing that wave yep.

774
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: This song reached number three in January of eighty nine

775
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,559
on the Hot one hundred, only beat out by Two

776
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:39,280
Hearts by Phil Cohens Oh, former possible producer for Hysteria Ironic,

777
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:44,760
and Don't Rush Me by Taylor Dang mentioned. So but

778
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,000
it's a play on words, right, Are you getting it?

779
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,679
Speaker 2: Now? You getting it?

780
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 4: Yes?

781
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,639
Speaker 2: I'm getting it right. I love this song.

782
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,559
Speaker 3: The hook of the guitar is so catchy. It is

783
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,800
a pop metal, awesome five star song.

784
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the play on words. It's got some novelty.

785
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 4: I was.

786
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: I liked it when I was a kid. They do

787
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,079
their video in the exact same way as they did

788
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,400
with Pour Some Sugar on Me and why not? It

789
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,679
works so well? They do it again, Yes, and once again.

790
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,519
This was the last.

791
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: This was supposed to be the last song completed for

792
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,599
the album. Huh but thankfully what Lange said, you know what, Joe,

793
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,480
We're going to go explore that poor some Sugar on

794
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:25,920
Me video that you got there, Yeah, and keep building.

795
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. So but the poor you know, we talked about

796
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:30,639
them not making their money back. It was Pour Some

797
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:34,320
Sugar on Me. They caused the album sales to skyrocket

798
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,199
beating Pyromania and making them the money back, and then

799
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,679
multiple folds over. That's right, that's right.

800
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: Hit stop on your tape, deck, kick ast your cassette,

801
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,639
flip it over. Now we're going to side to okay,

802
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,679
but before we do, Side one of Hysteria maybe the

803
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:58,840
best one side of any album in the eighties. Wow, Women, Rocket,

804
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,639
Animal Love Bites, pour some sugar on me, arm again it. Yeah.

805
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: I might have agreed with you back in nineteen eighty nine.

806
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,840
I don't know that I'm gonna agree with you right now.

807
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,119
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, hey, we're gonna dive into a whole bunch

808
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:11,960
of albums, so sure, yeah, let's go for it.

809
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

810
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: So the first track on side two a song called

811
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:25,559
Gods of the World. This song has Ronald Reagan sounding like.

812
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:28,119
Speaker 2: Dirty Harry huh. This is kind of a.

813
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,559
Speaker 3: Diehard the Hunter. Yeah, Pyromania, Yeah, jacked up on steroids.

814
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

815
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,559
Speaker 2: So it's a little tougher. I felt like a little

816
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:38,159
they're trying to kind of get into that metallic a

817
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,559
side of things a little bit, but it's still very

818
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:42,360
mud laying, very highly produced.

819
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:44,119
Speaker 3: I think this is a song that if it had

820
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,559
a killer video behind it, it could have been a successful single.

821
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:57,159
Speaker 2: The chorus in this song is awesome and they only

822
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:57,880
play it twice.

823
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,079
Speaker 3: And then you close out with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald

824
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:03,760
Reagan saying you thought America is going to be passive,

825
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,880
you gutted wrong. And then all these you know, war

826
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,559
stuff and hey, let's go okay. Song after that is

827
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:21,159
a song called Don't Shoot shotgun, catchy song.

828
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: I know all the words. It's a little goofy, more sex,

829
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,400
more guns. There you go.

830
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: This is one of the oldest songs on the album.

831
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,360
Jim Steinmon actually worked on this with the band. Good song.

832
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:36,679
Not a great song, but a good song. Moving on

833
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:44,960
to a song called run Riot for me, this is the.

834
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,159
Speaker 2: Weakest track on the album. Okay, I mean.

835
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:50,039
Speaker 3: It's it's a good song. I still love it, but

836
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,800
it's not a not a high recommend for me.

837
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:56,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I mean to shoot you straight on

838
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,599
the B side I had to push through. I had

839
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,960
to push to get through these hysterias obviously on the

840
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,679
B side, and it's a decent song, but the rest

841
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,199
of the songs I had to just kind of force

842
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,159
myself to listen through.

843
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: All Okay, well, run Right is not the best track

844
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,239
on the album, number.

845
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:21,199
Speaker 2: Ten track Hysterio Hysterio which I'll do something for you.

846
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,519
Now you know you gave us that little Archies gold nugget.

847
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,039
I'll do something for you. Okay. So this song is

848
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:45,519
Goodbye Blue Sky by Pink Floyd. Wow Wow Wow. Yeah.

849
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:48,599
Goodbye Blue Sky by Pink Floyd off the Wall album.

850
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:50,960
It's one of my favorite songs off the album, and

851
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,800
it's unmistakable. You know when you when you when you

852
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,039
hear hysteria. If you're a semi Pink Floyd fan, you're

853
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,519
gonna go. This sounds familiar. If you're a big Pink

854
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:05,199
Floyd fan, you're gonna go. Are they playing Goodbye Blues guy?

855
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: Huh?

856
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,599
Speaker 2: Because it's bottom Wow. I've never heard that before. I'm

857
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,880
not a Pink Floyd guy. So wow. So you blew

858
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,320
my mind with the Archiees. Thank you. I'll blow your

859
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,360
mind to Pink Floyd and we can keep on rolling. Well,

860
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,639
that's cool for me.

861
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: Goodbye Blue Skuy. Aside, this song is gorgeous. It's layer

862
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:37,360
upon layer upon layer of guitars and just it just

863
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,159
seings to my soul. I love this song.

864
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the reason one of the reasons that

865
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,079
I like this song so much is that it reminds

866
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,840
me so much of the Pink Floyd style. And I

867
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,800
said that about I said that about some of the

868
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,559
songs from Pyromania as well. They're definitely taking some ideas

869
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,800
from the Pink Floyd library and running with them and

870
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,440
make them there out.

871
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: I did hear Phil Colin talk about how he and

872
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,119
Rick Savage had come together with some different ideas, and

873
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:08,199
Rick Savage had played this guitar part and Phil Collen

874
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,039
would play the air that little strum that we talked

875
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,800
about yep. And it was very similar to when we

876
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,280
talked about right Now from Van Halen. Two guys different

877
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,079
rooms working on the same song.

878
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: They just didn't know it.

879
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: When they came together. They say, well, i'm working on this.

880
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:25,639
Oh that sounds good. Hey, I've been working on this. Hey,

881
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:27,599
that sounds good. And they put it together and that

882
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:28,440
became this song.

883
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: Yep.

884
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,639
Speaker 3: So this song did very well. I think it reached

885
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,480
number ten, not one. This was definitely a put it

886
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:40,280
on the Girlfriend Makeout Mix of eighty eight.

887
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: Right yeah, okay, yeah? Are you excitable? Are you excitable? Okay?

888
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: Are you excitable? This was mut Lange's attempt at making

889
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:51,880
some sort.

890
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: Of rock dance song.

891
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 3: Okay, it's kind of vaguely naughty at the beginning, right, No,

892
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,400
are you excitable?

893
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:00,519
Speaker 2: Right?

894
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,599
Speaker 3: I like it.

895
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:05,599
Speaker 2: It's good, It's it's kind of got. It's got that

896
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,079
same thing going the action what's the action song from

897
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:13,400
Action not Words, Action not Words from Pyromania. It's got

898
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,519
that same kind of subtlety going. Yeah. Yeah.

899
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: I have the Hysteria Super Deluxe Edition and it has

900
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,239
a excitable the orgasmic mix.

901
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:29,519
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

902
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: And then finally we top it all off with Love

903
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:46,760
and Affection, which for me, this is another song that

904
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,320
could have been released as a single. If you could

905
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,480
put a put a cool video with this, it could

906
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:54,079
have been a huge hit. I love Love and Affection.

907
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,000
I am standing on this hill and dying. Love and

908
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,360
Affection is in the top percent of the songs on

909
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:01,880
this album.

910
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,199
Speaker 2: You have to say, I'm ranking it up for sure

911
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:09,440
on the top percentage. I rank it above Love Bites.

912
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,239
I like it better than the Wow. Yeah. Okay, so

913
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:34,159
it's it's just a it's a really cool song, all right.

914
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,199
So you know the band sadly Highs and Lows, Highs

915
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:43,280
and Lows tragically, after they finished their tour, Steve Clark

916
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,000
lost his battle with alcoholism. It had been a constant

917
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,719
issue that he had to deal with. His fiance came

918
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,400
to the band a couple of different times to go, hey,

919
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,519
you guys, I mean, and they were all heavy drinkers,

920
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,880
and Phil Collen, his guitar partner the Terror Twins, was

921
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,440
his drinking buddy, and at some point Phil Colin said

922
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,159
I've got to quit. And so Steve, who had dealt

923
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:10,119
with depression and used alcohol as a way to deal

924
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:14,000
with that, suddenly has lost his drinking buddy and his

925
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,199
downward spiral could not be stopped despite multiple attempts. They

926
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:23,119
sent him to rehab for a significant portion of time,

927
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,960
and he was just biting his time until he could

928
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:26,760
start drinking again.

929
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,039
Speaker 3: He was in the looney bin where yeah, Joeli, he

930
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,440
talks about that with the people that talked to Trees.

931
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

932
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: He had some significant personal problems, yeah, and they were

933
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,039
one of these deals were like, look, dude, if you

934
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:39,480
don't straighten up, you're on the band.

935
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: Right And it's such a hard thing. You don't you know,

936
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,800
until you walk a mile in somebody else's shoes, you

937
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,239
cannot judge their actions. I had I actually had a

938
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,000
friend from high school. I'm forty four years old. I

939
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,760
had a friend from high school die three weeks ago

940
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:58,719
from his paddle with alcoholism. If you've if you've got

941
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,760
that problem, and you've got that depression that you're dealing with,

942
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,360
you get to ask yourself, would you rather not be alive?

943
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:08,280
Or would you rather just not be sad? And if

944
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:11,280
the answers you'd just rather not be sad? Please seek

945
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,800
professional help. There are people out there who love you,

946
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,880
who want you to stay around.

947
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 5: Right.

948
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:17,039
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting.

949
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: On the inside cover of Hysteria, the band said, sorry,

950
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,800
we were gone so long from Paramania. It took us

951
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,440
a long time to get here. We won't be gone

952
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:30,400
this long ever again. Right. Well, with the problems that

953
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,920
they had and the death of Steve Clark, they were

954
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,119
gone even longer. So I remember where I was sitting

955
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,480
when I heard the news of Steve Clark had died.

956
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:41,480
I was such a big deaf Leopard fan and I'm

957
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:43,760
sitting around. Of course, this is before the Internet, this

958
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,880
is in nineteen ninety, like, when in the crap are

959
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,039
they going to get a new album out? And I'm

960
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:55,079
sitting on my now wife's bed as we're cleaning upper room.

961
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:59,000
We're working on something, and the radio says sad announcement,

962
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,719
Steve Clark died, and I'm like, what, Yeah, it blew

963
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,320
me away, you.

964
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,119
Speaker 2: Know, all right, So were ready.

965
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,119
Speaker 3: To dive in a we're ready to talk final judgment.

966
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,320
Let's talk final judgment.

967
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,559
Speaker 2: Okay. So I got to say I said this in

968
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,599
the first episode when we started talking about Pyromania. When

969
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,360
I listened to Pyramania for the first time, it really

970
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,199
was like I was listening to it for the first

971
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,280
time because I didn't listen to it when I was

972
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,159
a kid. I would see the videos that came on,

973
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,159
but I never owned the album. I was never a

974
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:41,440
big Deaf Leopard fan, and so I when I listened

975
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,159
to the album for the first time, it was like, hey,

976
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,559
I'm back in the early eighties and I'm just imagining

977
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:50,559
myself with my headphones in my room, you know. And

978
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,000
I put that on and I was like, Wow, this

979
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,960
is really good. I was blown away. And I mean,

980
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,440
I knew def Leopard from a hysteria. I like, I said,

981
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,599
I remember dances with for some Sugar on me blowing

982
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:06,639
it up and love Bites and Dancing with the Girl,

983
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:08,400
and there's a lot of emotion there, so I knew

984
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,199
them from that. But to go back and listen to Pyromania,

985
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,679
I thought when we started this conversation, I thought, Okay, well,

986
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,400
I'm gonna be making that the argument for Hysteria because

987
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,480
those are the songs that I know. But going back,

988
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,480
Pyromania is my album. Wow, I will listen to that.

989
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,360
I will listen to that one over and over again.

990
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,400
When I got you know, when I got to Too

991
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,239
Late for Love and you've got the swirling wind going on,

992
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,559
and you've got that guitar that comes in and Joe

993
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,079
Elliott singing on top of that, just the wind, the

994
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:45,599
guitar and Joe Elliott's voice and then bam you get

995
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,280
hit with that the chorus and the harmony of the

996
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,599
rest of the band. I was like, holy crap, this

997
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,760
is freaking awesome. I was telling people. I was like,

998
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,039
we're doing this right now. I was like, have you

999
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,360
listened to this album lately? I became an avenge list

1000
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,320
that is so cool man for Pyromania, and I was

1001
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,599
just like, this is really really good. And then we

1002
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,440
we're doing Hysterios, So I started listening to Hysteria, and

1003
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:15,280
like we talked about Side A Solid right, and I'm listening,

1004
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,599
I'm like, yeah, I'm remembering all these songs, but as

1005
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,960
I'm listening to it, I'm like, these don't appeal to

1006
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,079
me the same way that they did before. They're good.

1007
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,840
I still have an emotional connection. It's that nostalgia that

1008
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,880
you've talked about before. But as I'm driving in my car,

1009
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,960
if from here on out, I can say, if I'm

1010
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,719
driving in my car and you can present me with

1011
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,639
only two options, I'm picking Pyromania over Hysteria.

1012
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: Hey, that is really cool. First of all, the fact

1013
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,039
that you have discovered one of the eighties great rock

1014
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:45,400
albums is super cool.

1015
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1016
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,039
Speaker 3: And I have had people who have commented on the

1017
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:49,599
podcast it.

1018
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:50,639
Speaker 2: Only took me forty years.

1019
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: Well, that's so cool, and I'm glad to be sort

1020
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,760
of a part of that deal for you.

1021
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1022
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 3: I have had people comment on the podcast to me

1023
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:04,119
that they had forgotten how much they enjoyed Space Moll's

1024
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,719
or Airplane or Bad. I've had a lot of people

1025
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,519
tell me that they now appreciate Bad better.

1026
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when we did the Van Halen episode and

1027
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,920
I started listening to all the Sammy songs again, I

1028
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,519
was like, man, these these are pretty darn good. I

1029
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:20,159
mean I was kind of like, eh, I still like

1030
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,920
Dave better, but I was really impressed that, you know, hey,

1031
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:25,679
I should have given these more of a chance than

1032
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:28,039
I did. And this one was just I mean, it

1033
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:29,880
was brand new, it was brand new for me, and

1034
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,280
I love it.

1035
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,599
Speaker 3: Well, that's really cool. I'm so glad to be a

1036
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:34,119
part of that. Now I got to tell you why

1037
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:43,119
you're off face? All right, yeah, okay, So, first of all,

1038
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,800
I absolutely love Pyramedia. Okay, so I am the world's

1039
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,960
biggest def Leppard fan. I think I probably have said

1040
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,639
it many times. I'm not really good at masking my feelings.

1041
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:57,079
But for me, Hysteria is the soundtrack for my high

1042
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:04,480
school years. I'm ultra nostalgic, but I think these songs

1043
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,280
are just great. I mean, they're all great, But Pyramania

1044
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,639
is great too. So what's the divide? What's the breaking

1045
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:11,159
point for me?

1046
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1047
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: So for me, Pyromania is the Mona Lisa of pop

1048
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:22,519
metal albums. Okay, it's perfection, Okay, Okay, Now, then Hysteria

1049
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,960
is the Mona Lisa except for the girl looks like

1050
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:32,519
Jennifer Lopez. All right, they took they took something perfect

1051
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:37,320
and made it perfect or okay, they made it better.

1052
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:39,119
Speaker 2: You know. And we didn't talk about that. But Mutt Lang,

1053
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,920
he came to the guys after coming back into the album.

1054
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,920
It's like, do you guys really want to make pyromania too?

1055
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,119
And the answers no, that we want to do something

1056
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:49,480
different and we want to do something better. We want

1057
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,320
to take it up a notch. But the question is

1058
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,239
did they take it up a notch in your opinion? Yes?

1059
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: Okay, did they did? And I'll tell you kind of

1060
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,960
where I am. Yeah, when Mutt Lang goes and gets

1061
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,920
coffee in nineteen eighty seven January and comes back and

1062
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,119
walks by and Joy is playing on the guitar and.

1063
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: He's Love's not a bomb man to come and get it.

1064
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 6: On living a weather what on the phone looking like

1065
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:17,960
a tram Lager videoon ma'am damn on some woman canna

1066
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:21,159
be yon man man, and he.

1067
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 3: Says, stop the presses, we need to add that songless.

1068
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: Baby good sometimes right, okay, actually do that right. The

1069
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,159
accidental drip.

1070
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: The difference between pyrameding and hysteria is that song. Okay,

1071
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,079
you take you remove pors Some Sugar on Me, and

1072
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:51,639
those albums are deadweight on the scale. They're even and

1073
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,400
for me, the absolute mind blowing power of that song

1074
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:03,400
Poor Some Sugar on Me tips the scales first.

1075
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: Okay, So you and I are on the same page

1076
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:08,239
on pour Some Sugar on Me and this you know,

1077
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,079
in this experience that we have of making this podcast

1078
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,800
and listening to albums and learning about the albums, I've

1079
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,960
told you that listen listening to the producers and what

1080
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,559
their impact is. I had no idea, right, Mutt Lang

1081
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:23,920
has a huge effect on Pyromania, and I think an

1082
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,320
even bigger effect. And here's I'm gonna put it as

1083
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,400
simply as I can. The more produced an album is

1084
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:36,000
the more to me, it sounds kind of canned. And

1085
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,199
so you know, you talk about whether nostalgia is really

1086
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:42,960
the thing that influences or not. I can say when

1087
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,639
I hear love Bites, I can remember slow dancing with

1088
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:49,639
a girl. I can remember when I hear Pour Some

1089
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:53,000
Sugar on Me, the crowd going crazy and everybody dancing

1090
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:56,320
like Lord of the Flies, and it was awesome. But

1091
00:57:57,199 --> 00:57:59,519
if you take that part out, if you take that

1092
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,320
experience out. If I'm just listening to Hysteria in the car,

1093
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,760
it's not got the same connection. It doesn't have that

1094
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,840
emotion because it's so produced. Mut Lang wanted perfection and

1095
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,679
he achieved it. It's just that perfection kind of leaves

1096
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:19,760
me a little bit cold. I like, and obviously Pyromania

1097
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,960
is really really produced, right, I mean, they spent so

1098
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:25,159
much time on it. It's a heavily produced animal, but

1099
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:28,320
it's not as much And it's those little moments like

1100
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,440
in Too Late for Love where you're breaking it down,

1101
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,519
where it's a guitar and a singer and then a

1102
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:38,480
chorus and a harmony, that's the best part. And in

1103
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:42,360
Pour Some Sugar on Me, it's not hyper produced. It's

1104
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:48,920
drums and a singer and a simple, simple blues lick

1105
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,639
that makes this song so good. It's that they've taken

1106
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,679
out the overproduction that makes poor Some Sugar on Me

1107
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:58,840
so good. And I agree with you. If you take

1108
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,840
Pour Some Sugar out of that album, it's not a

1109
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,679
spectacular album. I'm telling you. Pyromania is better overall because

1110
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,280
the songs are good from beginning to end. It doesn't

1111
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,000
have the sparkling, big hitter the Pour Some Sugar on

1112
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:14,239
Me is, but if you lose pour Some Sugar on

1113
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,920
Me from Hysteria, Pyromania is obviously a better album. I

1114
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,079
don't know, man, I don't know.

1115
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,719
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll be interested to see once we put

1116
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:23,639
this out on social media.

1117
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: This is gonna be very similar to.

1118
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,679
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson, So thriller bad, thriller bad, thriller bad, thriller bad.

1119
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:30,719
Speaker 2: And then we get the occasional off the wall person.

1120
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:35,199
So we're gonna hear somebody's gonna sayhy and drive of this.

1121
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:37,639
I'm gonna we're gonna hear it. Yeah, trust me, we're

1122
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,480
gonna hear it. Now, if somebody says Adrenalize is the

1123
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:42,800
best album they're out, we're gonna have to see your

1124
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,000
ide Did you show me your idea?

1125
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:47,639
Speaker 3: Adrenalize is kind of the third in the trilogy, you know,

1126
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:50,719
they kind of see it as the trilogy, but it

1127
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,239
is a step down.

1128
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:56,239
Speaker 2: Well, but it's it is. It was good candy rock.

1129
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:59,000
They took it that. They just kept getting more and

1130
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:01,440
more pop and pop and poppy pop, and then.

1131
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: It's like eating Jocot Jim cookies for dinner.

1132
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,039
Speaker 2: It's too much yeah. But for me it's hysteria.

1133
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,599
Speaker 3: For you it's paramania. Yeah, I love them both.

1134
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1135
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,239
Speaker 3: What do you think we want to hear from you guys?

1136
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah? Let me just say I walked in today so

1137
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,920
excited because I love doing this with Jason. He's my

1138
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,840
best friend and knuckles there. Yeah, we're good falls. I

1139
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,679
love geeking out with him, but I love listening to

1140
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:29,559
you guys. We are getting so much feedback on Facebook

1141
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:33,320
and it is fantastic. People telling us what you're crazy,

1142
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,920
you know, why would you think this? This is ridiculous

1143
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,719
and we love it. I mean it's we want you

1144
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,920
guys to dive in with us, and again we're blown away.

1145
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,880
We thought we'd have a handful of listeners that we

1146
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,039
all knew their first name. There are lots of you

1147
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:50,800
out there who are telling your friends about us. Thank you.

1148
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,320
It means so much to us. We love you. Please

1149
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:57,480
keep sharing the good news, and please keep talking with

1150
01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,000
us on Facebook. That's right, Thank you so much for listening.

1151
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: Give us a five star honest review if you can

1152
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:04,159
and share with your friends, or.

1153
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: If it's a dishonest five star review, that would be

1154
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,400
well they does as well, that'd be fine too.

1155
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,239
Speaker 3: It's been fun and we will see you next week.

1156
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to talk about Braveheart and Gladiator. Yes,

1157
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,760
and on this one we can say with some strength

1158
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,920
we do not love both of these movies.

1159
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:27,519
Speaker 3: That one still kills me.

1160
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: Come back. Yeah, after this one, you want to hear

1161
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,920
a real argument that those will be the episodes to

1162
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:38,320
listen to. All right, sign it off, oh Music image