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No, 47 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.519 we're necessary every else. 48 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.759 You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking 49 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.879 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 50 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:26.520 written about them, Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker, DTK every week, 51 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:30.520 another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous 52 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.599 killers in true crime history True Murder with your host 53 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:48.280 journalist and author Dan Zufanski, good Evening. 54 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:55.879 The Zodiac occupies a special place among serial killers, claiming 55 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.479 the lives of at least five young victims and taunting 56 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:02.479 the police and telephone calls and cryptic letters, he terrorized 57 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.120 northern California from nineteen sixty six to nineteen seventy four 58 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.439 and beyond. Despite his appalling acts of violence, he was 59 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:15.400 never arrested. He has never even been identified. Thousands of 60 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:18.719 men have been accused, nearly twenty five hundred have been investigated. 61 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.039 The police lack only the name of the perpetrator. Never 62 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:26.439 has there been more passionate interest in the Zodiac serial killer. 63 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:30.879 Never has there been more Freedom of Information Act released 64 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:35.360 information on his crime spree and the subsequent law enforcement investigation. 65 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.879 Yet never before has a carefully researched, scholarly treatment of 66 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:46.960 this otherwise eminently solvable riddle been attempted, that is until now. 67 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:52.240 In this painstakingly researched and meticulously detailed account by true 68 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:56.520 crime author Mark g. Hewitt, the reader has offered unprecedented 69 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:02.280 access to the case, reveals recent interviews, some of which 70 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.879 have been never before made public, as well as all 71 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.439 available FBI and local police reports, and contemporary press accounts 72 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:14.080 of the day, to create a comprehensive narration of the facts, 73 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.279 including various sides of the many disputed issues within the case. 74 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.319 In three volumes, Mark Hewitt will recount the murders, examine 75 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:26.439 the evidence, and narrow down the possibilities of the suspects 76 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.439 who could have possibly been the Zodiac serial killer. The 77 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:35.000 book that we're featuring this evening is Hunted the Zodiac Murders, 78 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:40.319 Book one, with my special guest, journalist and author, Mark G. Hewitt. 79 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:42.519 Welcome back to the program, and thank you for a 80 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:43.480 greened in this interview. 81 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.680 Mark Hewitt, Thanks Dan, thank you for having me. 82 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:53.600 Thank you very much. Very exciting and interesting series of 83 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:59.800 books you've partake embarked on, and so congratulations on this 84 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:07.639 first book. Very exciting. Let's talk about again. Let's not 85 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:09.519 go too far into because we have so much to 86 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.120 cover in this very very comprehensive book. Like you said, 87 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:16.560 we've talked about in the introduction, there's a lot to cover, 88 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:22.000 a lot of new information. Just give us briefly, what 89 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:27.240 is the What was your intention in bringing to this case, 90 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.160 what new or what you're going to What is your 91 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:36.480 intention to bring to this already very covered case. 92 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:42.160 For having me, Dan, I appreciate it. First, I want 93 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.759 to commend you on your early bird status. This is 94 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.680 the first interview I've given on the first book of 95 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:51.560 my trilogy, so I thank you pretty fresh. Over the 96 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.199 next couple of months, I'm going to be doing book 97 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.720 signings and various interviews. So thank you for getting a 98 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.680 hold of me early. The The book is not yet 99 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.920 within a week, it's going to be pre orders available 100 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:10.240 on Amazon dot com. But the Zodiac serial killing case 101 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.600 is very personal to me because it absolutely fascinates me. 102 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:18.120 It's the greatest American criminal mystery is as far as 103 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.439 I'm concerned. There are a lot of mysteries in the 104 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.079 United States criminal files, John Benet Ramsey, the Black Dahlia, 105 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:29.000 the disappearance of Jimmy Haffa, But I think the Zodiac 106 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.439 serial killer is the biggest of them all because it 107 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:37.480 was a series of murders, and it was the perpetrator 108 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:41.279 was never found, and the case has got to be 109 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:46.519 solvable because the killer left behind so many clues, wrote letters, 110 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:53.160 sent codes left behind, tire tracks, boot prints, possibly some fingerprints, 111 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.600 and a whole bunch of eyewitnesses. So part of the 112 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:00.319 mystery is why didn't he get caught because of that, 113 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.399 he has stopped at some point and disappeared from history, 114 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:08.360 and why was he never identified. This first book is 115 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.000 personal to me because I kind of wrote it for myself. 116 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:16.160 It was the book that didn't exist when I began 117 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:19.959 to study the case. I was looking for somebody to 118 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.120 look at the case as a historian and lay out 119 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.120 all the facts of the case, and I didn't find 120 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.319 a book of that nature. There are a lot of 121 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.399 books on the market right now. The majority, if not all, 122 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:37.639 of them say I know who the criminal is, and 123 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:40.360 here's why I think that my father, or my uncle 124 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:45.040 or this suspect is responsible. The problem is, when you 125 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.639 put together a book in that fashion, you tend to 126 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:54.519 emphasize the information that supports your theory and kind of 127 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:58.879 forget about or minimize anything that detracts from your suspect. 128 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:00.920 So there are a lot of books on the market, 129 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:06.120 but there are none that provide an overview of the 130 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.920 case without a suspect. So that's what this first book is. 131 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:16.360 What I found The most fascinating is the complete letters 132 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.319 that you include from the zodiac in your book, and 133 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.240 we will I think it's going to be a real 134 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.000 treat for the audience for us to read the details 135 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:30.480 of those letters, because it's very important and is such 136 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.879 an important part of the investigation are those letters and 137 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:38.480 the follow up and the verification from the information that 138 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.519 it gets from those letters. So if you don't mind, 139 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.039 I'll get you to read them. And if you don't 140 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:46.080 want to, then I'm ready to read them myself because 141 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:51.240 they're just profound. So let's start mark with Riverside, California. 142 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:53.879 Tell us a little bit about Riverside, California at that time, 143 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.679 because we have a lot of people that we have 144 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.720 to go back in history. That's a long time in history, 145 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:04.600 nineteen sixty nine. As you talk about, there's not even 146 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:08.279 the term serial killer. And we'd be jumping ahead if 147 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:12.039 we were to talk about how the police, the media, 148 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:17.320 and the community looked at this first as you include anyway, 149 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:21.840 and there's some dispute as well whether this murder is 150 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.399 to be always included, but anyway, this is the first 151 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.480 murder you start with with Sherry Josephine Bates. So she's 152 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:32.480 eighteen years old and Riverside, California. So tell us just 153 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.559 a little bit about Riverside, California and how apt are 154 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:40.840 they to have a crime like this? What's the nation 155 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:45.240 like at that time? We'll talk about this as well. 156 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.840 This is a little bit before we get accustomed to 157 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.320 some things. And the Zodiac is truly a unique killer, 158 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.600 as everyone knows. Tell us about Riverside, California, Cherry, Josephine 159 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.600 Bates and her father Joseph take us back. 160 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.039 Okay, thank you. I'm glad you pointed out that not 161 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.840 everybody accepts shared Joe Bates as a Zodiac victim, and 162 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:10.159 I had to bring that out in the book. Some 163 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.639 people believe that the Zodiac did kill her. Some people 164 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.440 believe that the Zodiac wrote letters following her death following 165 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.120 her murder, taking credit for it without actually being the 166 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.399 one who killed her. Other people believe that has absolutely 167 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.759 nothing to do with the Zodiac case whatsoever. I started 168 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.720 there because a very strong case can be made. I 169 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:34.919 believe that she was not only killed by the Zodiac 170 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.360 and the letters followed up by her by the Zodiac. 171 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:44.399 The date was October thirtieth, nineteen sixty six, Riverside, California. 172 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.360 At the time, it was the one unsolved murder in 173 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:53.879 Riverside's history. This young co ed was brutally stabbed to 174 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:59.360 death outside of a library, and every lead that they 175 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:03.159 followed into nothing, and the case started to go cold. 176 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.679 And suddenly, a month after the murder, a letter arrived 177 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.720 in the mail, actually a couple of letters addressed to 178 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.679 the police and to the press taking credit for it. 179 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:16.360 The letter was entitled the Confession, and in the letter 180 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:22.279 that typed in all caps, the killer narrated what exactly 181 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.360 happened and said that not only was he going to 182 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.519 kill again, but this wasn't his first murder, and so 183 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:32.360 suddenly the police in the community knew that there was 184 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:34.879 a crazy person on the loose, somebody who claims to 185 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:38.960 have killed before murdered and claimed he was going to 186 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:42.240 kill again. Within the letter, he said that the reason 187 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:46.360 he killed Cherry Joe was because of a brush off 188 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.799 that he had received in the past, that apparently he'd 189 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.240 wanted to date her and that she didn't she didn't 190 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:56.120 take him seriously. Whether this is a ruse or not 191 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.960 remains to be seen, but they look into Chara Jobates' 192 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:06.559 relationship history and didn't find anybody who kind of fit 193 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.440 the bill. They did find one suspect, and some in 194 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:12.919 Riverside believe that that local person is responsible for the death, 195 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.399 but they just couldn't prove it. Other people believe that 196 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:22.639 he had nothing to do with it. So that's kind 197 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:27.120 of how the Zodiac serial killer case started, though the 198 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.519 killer didn't claim his title for a few years until 199 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:37.840 nineteen sixty nine, and there were other follow up letters 200 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.759 on the six month anniversary of Bates' death, and these 201 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:46.200 two kind of perplexed the police officers. And this case 202 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:47.799 is still has never been solved. 203 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.039 Let's go back to this letter, because I've read some 204 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.440 things about the Zodiac, some books, and like I say, 205 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:02.639 I just don't remember it. I'm reading such a complete story, 206 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:08.720 and these letters are demonstrative, to say the least. If 207 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.240 you like, I'd just like to read some of this 208 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:13.679 and then you can comment, because this is what the 209 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:18.200 police are seeing in nineteen sixty six, right after this murder, 210 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:24.759 and so tell us the circumstances that they get, are 211 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:30.080 contacted and what, and tell us a little bit about 212 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.919 If you're not going to read, I'll read from some 213 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.480 parts of the letter, because again, This is something that 214 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.240 the police had never seen before, and they have to 215 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.399 analyze this and respond. There is also evidence at that 216 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.200 crime scene that that the least they gather, and you 217 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:47.960 can people imagine what the state of forensic is in 218 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.360 nineteen sixty six. But to their credit, there's a lot 219 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:55.120 of organized evidence gathering in this case. So take us 220 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:59.039 back to how they get notified before we talk about 221 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:01.120 the content of that letter and what he says, which 222 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:04.559 is the foreboding of the evil that he perpetrates for 223 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.320 many years. Afterwards, well, I'll. 224 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:08.879 Have you read the letters if you want to read 225 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:10.720 sections of them. I don't have them in front of 226 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:11.440 me at the moment. 227 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:12.759 Okay. 228 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.639 What was so fascinating is that these letters just arrived 229 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.840 in the mail one day. One was sent to the 230 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.399 local press and the other was sent to the Riverside 231 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:29.720 Police department. They were received and quite quickly the police 232 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.919 believed and were absolutely convinced that the letters did come 233 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.960 from the killer, that the two letters were identical. By 234 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:37.919 the way, the one that sent to the uh the 235 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.240 press and the police. At the time, as you mentioned, 236 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.639 the term serial killer had not been invented. That wouldn't 237 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:48.799 come along until the nineteen seventies, the Behavioral Science Unit 238 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:53.120 of the FBI coined the term serial killer, So back 239 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:56.000 then they were he was called a mass murderer just 240 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.639 because he killed or was threatening to kill a massive people. 241 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:04.639 The the letters were quite specific about what had happened, 242 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.159 and it's very unusual for a Sarah a killer to 243 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.440 send letters. It has happened in history, of course. BTK 244 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:20.440 Dennis Rader sent letters to the press, and son of 245 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.360 Sam David Berkowitz and New York City sent letters, but 246 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:25.960 by and large, seriaal killers tend not to do that. 247 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.039 They are just as happy to be anonymous and in 248 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.879 the background and not identified, so they don't send letters. 249 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.080 So uh, it's unusual that the killer would send a letter. 250 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.279 What was even more unusual is that he would hint 251 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.279 at who he was and kind of taught the police 252 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.200 to catch him. 253 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:50.559 What he has here is uh he like you say. 254 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.440 He goes into detail about what he did to verify 255 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.159 that he is the actual killer, so that he had 256 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.159 asked her for a day in high school. But then 257 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:03.120 he reverts almost immediately in this letters, she says, but 258 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.840 I shall cut off her female parts and despose deposit 259 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:09.399 them for the whole city to see, So don't make 260 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.679 it too easy for me. Keep your sisters, daughters and 261 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.799 wives off the streets and alleys. Miss Bates was stupid. 262 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.799 She went to the slaughter like a lamb. She did 263 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.720 not put up a struggle, but I did. It was 264 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:25.519 a ball. I first pulled the middle wire from the 265 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.919 distributor referring to her car. Then I waited for her 266 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:31.440 in the library and followed her out after about two minutes, 267 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.759 and she was very willing to talk with me. So 268 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:43.159 he talks about the ruse and then he said it's 269 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.240 about time. He says about time for what, And I 270 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.519 said it was about time for her to die. So 271 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:50.279 he grabbed it around the neck with my hand over 272 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:52.679 her mouth and mother hand with a small knife at 273 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:59.639 her throat. And then she went very willingly and was 274 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.679 making her pay for the brush offs. And she let 275 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.279 her the scream once and I kicked her head to 276 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.599 shut her up, and I plunged a knife into her 277 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:16.160 and it broke. Beware, I'm stalking your girls now. So 278 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.799 there's a lot established in that first letter for police 279 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:25.839 to determine when he talks about a compliant victim. Was 280 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:30.920 something that didn't work at all, So at least in terms, 281 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.160 they have some idea, which again is very very unusual. 282 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.440 I can't even imagine in nineteen sixty six, even in 283 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:40.880 California they would have any experience like this at all. 284 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:43.920 So it's a big learning experience. And as you talk, 285 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:50.799 twenty four officers are on this full time right away, 286 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:53.799 and an FBI is involved as well. One hundred and 287 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.960 twenty five citizens were interviewed in a short period of time, 288 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:05.640 and there was prints, footprints, and they did have leads 289 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.039 that they really followed up and seemed to be encouraged, 290 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.039 and it looked like these government issued boots. So explain 291 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.240 what they saw at the crime scene, what they gathered, 292 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:19.119 what they deduced, but also what they deduced at least 293 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:24.799 via the FBI and themselves internally about this killer. 294 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:31.200 What I find so amazing and fascinating about the cases 295 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:32.720 that there are so many clues that a lot of 296 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.039 them are tantalizing. We don't know whether to include them 297 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.720 or not. Just as I said that that confession letter 298 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:43.640 may not have come from the killer, they found a 299 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:47.319 bootprint at this scene that could have come from the killer. 300 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:52.799 It was a government issued military type boot. The bootprint 301 00:18:52.960 --> 00:19:00.880 was measured and photographed and whatnot. There was a man's 302 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.839 time ex wriskquatch found at the scene with the strap 303 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.640 broken off. Now, it's quite possible that part of the 304 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:09.960 during part of the struggle, that that was torn from 305 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.079 the killer and deposited at the scene, but there are 306 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:16.279 other possibilities that may have ended up there completely unrelated 307 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:20.119 to the case, or if the killer was truly diabolical, 308 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.400 he could have brought that along that he stole from 309 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:25.759 somebody else or found somewhere and just left it in 310 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:28.599 the grass for the police to find and think, gee, 311 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:32.039 who does this belong to? As kind of a red herring. 312 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.559 So there was a lot of evidence, but how to 313 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.640 put together? How to put it together? It fascinates me 314 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:45.079 that the whole case happened just prior to the advent 315 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:50.440 of modern forensic investigation, so that at the time the 316 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:54.279 police weren't dealing with DNA. They didn't think to look 317 00:19:54.359 --> 00:20:00.119 for trace evidence or hair and fibers. Generally, for all 318 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:05.160 the scenes, within four hours, sometimes less, sometimes much less, 319 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.279 the scenes were just dismantled and they said, well, that's 320 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.000 the best we can do. The police at the time 321 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:18.279 basically looked for bootprints shoe prints, looked for expended cartridges, bullets, 322 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.480 and anything else deposited at the scene, and then at 323 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.039 the end of that they said, well, that's all that 324 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:26.960 we can find. It would be much different today. They 325 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:30.160 would scour a scene for many hours. They would take 326 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:32.680 soil samples, they would look for fibers, they would look 327 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.839 for hairs, and they would do far more with the 328 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.880 crime scene. In fact, if the Zodiac were to repeat 329 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:43.079 the crimes today, I'm sure he would be captured quite 330 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:49.319 quickly just because of forensics. But the Zodiac was wise 331 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:52.640 enough for lucky enough to pull this off before modern 332 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:54.079 forensics came into the four. 333 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:03.880 Once he sends that letter, one later tell us about 334 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:08.839 the ultimatum or his demands to the media. What does 335 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.799 that include is that in that first letter he. 336 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.200 Didn't actually make a demand. He did say that this 337 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:19.359 letter should be published for everyone to see it. The 338 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:21.599 idea he mentioned in the letter was, you know, if 339 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.480 you publish it, then these people that I threatened have 340 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:28.440 a better chance of surviving because they know that I'm 341 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:33.200 threatening them. He made a couple of allusions to somebody 342 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.240 that he asked out in high school, or to a 343 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.480 girl who baby sits and walks down an alley every 344 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:44.799 night at seven o'clock. And so the press and the 345 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.920 police were challenged to make the letter public and publish it. 346 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:53.200 It should be noted, though, that all letters from criminals 347 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:58.880 are pieces of staging. Unless the criminal is psychotic or 348 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:03.119 wants to be caught. The letters are something that's going 349 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.279 to lead the investigation astray. So every time there's a 350 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.079 fact placed in the letter doesn't mean it's true. It 351 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:12.000 may in fact be completely false or misleading. 352 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:19.920 Right now, this case goes cold, and they have the letter, 353 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:25.640 but they have no suspect. But they're still working the case. Now, 354 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:33.240 six months after the Baits attacked, three letters arrived. Now 355 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.599 where do they arrive and who they addressed to? And 356 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:40.559 tell us a little bit about the content. 357 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:43.920 Well, once again two of the letters, one went to 358 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:46.400 the press, one went to the police. This time a 359 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:51.160 third one went to the father of Baits, which, unbelievably, 360 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.880 I mean, how horrible is that for a father to 361 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.000 receive a letter from the killer. Each of the letters 362 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.599 is only eight words long. Baits had to die. There 363 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:06.319 will be more. With the letter to Joseph Bates, the father, 364 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.799 one word was changed so that it said she had 365 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:16.279 to die. There will be more. These letters were linked 366 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:20.519 to future Zodiac letters by handwriting by the Chief Document 367 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:24.839 Examiner of California. Later on in nineteen seventy, when it 368 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:29.200 became when this murder was linked to a series of 369 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:33.079 murders that was taking place in northern California. It's disputed. 370 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:40.240 At this time, few legitimate graphologists would link an eight 371 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:43.839 word letter to a particular person or to a particular 372 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:47.000 series of writing, just based on the short amount of 373 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:50.680 writing and how easy it is to fake writing. But 374 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:53.960 other people have said that, yes, those three letters that 375 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:59.319 were handwritten on loose leaf's binder paper were the work 376 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:00.000 of the zodiac. 377 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.200 There is, I guess, the beginning of the development of 378 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.599 the insignia or the logo of the zodiac. So there's 379 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:14.960 a there's a letter that's there's a Z that's left. 380 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.000 Yes, two of the three letters have two of the 381 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:21.680 three notes that were sent have the little letters Z 382 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.519 that appears to be a Z with a little squiggle 383 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.960 at the top. There are other interpretations of what it is, 384 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:32.480 but many people believe that that's the beginnings of the 385 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.720 name Zodiac, where he just puts a Z at the bottom, 386 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:41.000 kind of signing off the letter, and then that was 387 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.160 that arrived in April. Those arrived in April of sixty seven, 388 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.920 and then everything went quiet until outside Valeo in nineteen 389 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:49.640 sixty eight. 390 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.920 Yes, so in nineteen sixty eight, almost at the end 391 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:59.039 December twentieth, Betty Lou Jensen and her boyfriend David Faraday 392 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:06.240 around eleven fifteen. They're seventeen and sixteen years old. Betty 393 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:11.960 Lou's sixteen. Take us back to what these two teenagers 394 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.319 were doing at eleven fifteen and where they were and 395 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.440 what happens a couple. 396 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:21.279 Of teenagers high school students. They went to different high schools, 397 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:25.640 they met, began spending time together after school, and this 398 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:30.559 was their first actual date. David went and picked up 399 00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:35.359 Betty Loo at her home, met her parents, took her out, 400 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:39.480 and they ended up at a Lover's Lane area on 401 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:44.079