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<v Speaker 1>Tom Fitten joining us on the line. Tom, We've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about all this legal stuff all day. You are

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<v Speaker 1>our legal fighter for openness clarity in the government. What

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing, I mean, you're seeing the situation in Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what are some of the cases that you've

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<v Speaker 1>been working on trying to get full disclosure on how

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<v Speaker 1>we opened our borders here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the issues is what's the consequence of

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<v Speaker 2>it to our elections? For example, And I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you all been covering the New Jersey crisis with

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<v Speaker 2>the thousands of non citizens on the rolls, hunters voting.

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<v Speaker 2>We just got some new information from Virginia. They had

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five hundred confirmed or excuse me, declared non citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>So these are people who said we're non citizens, they

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<v Speaker 2>found out they were on the rolls, they had to

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<v Speaker 2>remove them, sixty five hundred and this is just over

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<v Speaker 2>two years, between twenty twenty four and June twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>sixth and so they had this process. You go to

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<v Speaker 2>get your driver's license, you check, no, I'm not a citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>They send that information to the state elections officials and

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<v Speaker 2>they cross check it and they confirm that the person's

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<v Speaker 2>on the registration or of registration lists or not, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they cancel them. And so what's going on is

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<v Speaker 2>they're finding out they have all these non citizens on

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<v Speaker 2>the roles and they're having to remove them. Only it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like by chance of them having applied for driver's licenses.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom fitting the president of Judicial Watch. Obviously, when we

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<v Speaker 1>first wanted to have you on here, I mean, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for weighing in on the voting

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of the legal immigration, but obviously we want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you about this faucy stuff which you've been

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<v Speaker 1>all over for a long time, for many, many years.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, a couple of days ago to see

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<v Speaker 1>this guy who couldn't talk in front of Mike's enough.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, when when the COVID first hit, I

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<v Speaker 1>was working at a very small, small station, and I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe how easy it was for me to book

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Fauci on a moment's notice that I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I was the first one. Yeah, I had Anthony Fauci

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<v Speaker 3>on early January January twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And the stuff he said there, I mean, it's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Tom Fitten, you've been on the paper trail of

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<v Speaker 1>what he's been trying to cover up. He basically he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to flood the zone with other verbiage. And now

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<v Speaker 1>he's not talking at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, he's talking. He just had one hundred eleven times

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<v Speaker 4>that I take the fish.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing the David Chappelle bit.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one of my never videos.

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<v Speaker 2>He never stopped talking, right, and uh, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear. Let me go to the beginning here. They

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<v Speaker 2>knew early on that the operations in Wuhan were in

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<v Speaker 2>violation of their alleged rules against gain of function. Literally,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, they're creating mutant viruses. Now, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>we first started talking about gain of function, it never

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<v Speaker 2>occurred to me to say, well, they're creating mutant viruses.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I wish I had figured that out. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they knew, but they had the perfect word for it

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<v Speaker 2>years prior to us knowing about what they were doing

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<v Speaker 2>it doing it was they were funding mutant viruses. So

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<v Speaker 2>Fauci's agencies knew years before COVID emerged that Wuhan was

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<v Speaker 2>creating mutant viruses. And Fauci pretends, well, just because they

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<v Speaker 2>were working on viruses doesn't mean that we funded gain

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<v Speaker 2>of function research specifically on COVID, Like, well, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make any sense. You're teaching them the technique that is

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<v Speaker 2>applicable all around. So they created that. They had this

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<v Speaker 2>technique being used in Wuhan to create game a function

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<v Speaker 2>making viruses worse. And you know that's what he's held

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<v Speaker 2>his hanging is. He's hanging his hat on in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of saying Identical commit perjury, because that's the current big

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<v Speaker 2>legal issue he's facing, whether he committed perjury. The second

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<v Speaker 2>legal issue is whether he was pardoned sufficiently in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that protects him from prosecution. I think the pardons

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<v Speaker 2>are null and void, not only because the president autopen,

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<v Speaker 2>but because the pardon itself is for nothing. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>have a pardon for nothing, right you can when you

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<v Speaker 2>say there's a pardon going back for two till twenty fourteen, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what what can a judge do in terms of ascertaining

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<v Speaker 2>what it covers? To say it covers everything means it

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<v Speaker 2>covers nothing. And I think we should be tested in court,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would argue you can prosecute him is if appropriate,

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<v Speaker 2>even if the pardon is valid, but you can't put

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<v Speaker 2>him in jail, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And Tommy is that they're all so? Tom isn't there

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<v Speaker 4>also rule if you you do have a pardon, you

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<v Speaker 4>cannot take the fifth because the consequences cannot cause you

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<v Speaker 4>incarceration or prosecution. Isn't there some sort of a rule there?

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<v Speaker 4>I remember it somewhere reading that you cannot be if

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<v Speaker 4>you can't be prosecuted, you cannot take the fifth at

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<v Speaker 4>these congressional Here.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, I'll warn you, I'm not a lawyer, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>had more than enough information, more than a well unfortunate

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<v Speaker 2>experience having the battle against those taking the fifth. And

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<v Speaker 2>what happens is if you want to challenge it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you go by if I recall, like even a question

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<v Speaker 2>by question analysis as to whether or not the answering

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<v Speaker 2>the question puts you in jeopardy. And so that's the

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<v Speaker 2>challenge in my view the Senate has, is they want

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<v Speaker 2>to challenge the assertion of the fifth. It's almost a

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<v Speaker 2>question by question analysis.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, all you need is one. I remember there were

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and eleven one more time, remember there were

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and eleven or so questions. All you need

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<v Speaker 4>is one in order to get a it's called one

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and one violation, which is line Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of the day, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>put him in jail.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not even about going to l I want

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<v Speaker 4>to know the truth, John, the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Day he knows, we know because there was fraud. There

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<v Speaker 2>was fraud.

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<v Speaker 3>In my view, beyond that fraud, I think he was

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<v Speaker 3>working for the for money m o any y my opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>For money, he was working with the Chinese.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's funny you say that because we are now

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<v Speaker 2>fighting against the HHS for royalty information for NIH employees,

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<v Speaker 2>how much money they were getting in royalties directly from

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<v Speaker 2>inventions they were involved in. And we've been getting this

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<v Speaker 2>stonewall like you couldn't believe from Frankly, this administration. And

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<v Speaker 2>I understand what Kennedy's doing in that regardings. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the deep state's running the operation there in this area.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, but I think there are aggressive you know. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right in sense that I am not

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<v Speaker 2>seeing any evidence of a criminal investigation into what Fauci

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<v Speaker 2>did or even what the agency did. I mean gain

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<v Speaker 2>a function prohibited by the terms of the grant that

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<v Speaker 2>continued suggests that there was fraud so you do a

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<v Speaker 2>grand jury investigation, you bring people in to find out

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on. Fauci in the least as a

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<v Speaker 2>witness should be brought before a grand jury. And this

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<v Speaker 2>to me is like a question of look, Michael, you

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<v Speaker 2>knew you saw directly. What happens when a justice department

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<v Speaker 2>decides they're going to make an issue and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter what you might have done, it doesn't matter. They're

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<v Speaker 2>going to bring you in and they're going to make

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<v Speaker 2>your life miserable.

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<v Speaker 4>It's called the indictment of the hand sandwich.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and I'm not saying it be done in

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<v Speaker 2>this circumstance, but the power of the government to investigate

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<v Speaker 2>criminal activity is awesome and it should be exercised. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think extremely, but quite reasonably to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>went on here, Tom Fitting and Jerry looking in to

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<v Speaker 2>gain a function fraud where taxpayers were told we're not

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, but in fact it was done. That's an

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<v Speaker 2>easy thing to investigate, and it's not extreme to say

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<v Speaker 2>we need to investigate that, who was responsible for giving

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<v Speaker 2>the money, what public statements were made about it, Let's

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what went on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so horrific, Tom Fitting the president of Judicial Watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom does two things very well. He fights for transparency

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<v Speaker 1>and he pumps iron. Tom thanks so much for joining us.

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