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<v Speaker 1>Oh there. M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>Trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content.

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<v Speaker 3>That will take you out of your company zone and

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<v Speaker 3>make you question reality.

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<v Speaker 4>Listeners, discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Bill Kobe and Julia the KUSI Peach.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate y'all joining me for a swapcast operation Conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>playtime Cosic Peach would triple swap cast.

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<v Speaker 5>It's where the dream team.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a conspiracy three way.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I like that one.

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<v Speaker 5>There you go, conspiracy three way.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the innocence project here and the matters of

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<v Speaker 2>the case of Scott Peterson and the death of his

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<v Speaker 2>wife an unborn child. You know, a lot of is

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<v Speaker 2>the is the topic we're talking about here tonight, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Peterson went to got convicted.

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<v Speaker 4>What well?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think I think the murder went down

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and two and then they drug it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was two thousand and five when the

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<v Speaker 1>verdict was announced. I could be wrong about that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just memory shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you are correct. So it was December twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. Was was the alleged date. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want to sutress alleged date because when they started off

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<v Speaker 2>the trial, the alleged of the murder was the twenty sixth, so,

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<v Speaker 2>which is funny they we see over the prosecute that

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<v Speaker 2>I would again, I would assert Scott Peterson did not

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 3>The evidence asserts the same.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no evidence against the man, but we see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the same parallels between this case and many

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<v Speaker 2>other cover ups and cases.

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<v Speaker 5>So I actually want to start off this episode by saying,

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<v Speaker 5>much like in the OJ episode, you guys are gonna

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<v Speaker 5>have to sell it to me, because I think there's

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<v Speaker 5>three camps that you can be in. Scott Peterson did it,

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<v Speaker 5>He's innocent, but and he was set up to make

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<v Speaker 5>it look like he did it, or Lacy was never

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<v Speaker 5>a real person, and this is all just a theater show.

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<v Speaker 5>There's three keys, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't heard of that one man, So let's start

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<v Speaker 3>with the theater.

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<v Speaker 4>On your own too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and I have a couple of pieces of evidence

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<v Speaker 5>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not against that at all. I liked these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of ideas. Whatever, whatever works best as for as, but

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<v Speaker 2>what are the known facts we can establish? When the

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<v Speaker 2>known facts we can established, Scott Peterson did not do it.

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<v Speaker 2>The case is fabricated in every regard so, and we

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<v Speaker 2>can establish that much, Well, then what else is fictional?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Where does the magic end?

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<v Speaker 4>It's really just two camps.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this is a real story and there's a narrative

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<v Speaker 1>going on, and he's either innocent or guilty or yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just fucking bullshit.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he did it if it is common denominator,

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<v Speaker 5>if you if you may.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he didn't do it if it's real.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll start off by letting everybody know that Juju is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be teamed up on here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's two against one. And that's fine because I

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<v Speaker 5>told JJ when we did the OJ show that I

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<v Speaker 5>thought he did it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I find it interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's what he started the OJ show, and

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<v Speaker 2>I keep getting a requests for more OJE. Not the drink,

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<v Speaker 2>but more analysis on the case.

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<v Speaker 1>I never I never told you this, but years ago

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you talking to about Idaho four with Nick

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<v Speaker 1>and you mentioned the OJ thing, and I told Nick, Hey, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>could you like set me up with that JJ guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do a thing about OJ. And for

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<v Speaker 1>years he just like, oh, I'll talk to him. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to him. He said he's down. Oh, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>set it up. So anyway, I thought that was really

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<v Speaker 1>cool to see you and her do it, because she

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<v Speaker 1>came at it from the angle of thinking the narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>the official narrative is real.

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<v Speaker 4>But I find it interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to talk shit, but this is the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I've ever hearing of any request to speak.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that now, trust me, I figured that out.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's because I.

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<v Speaker 3>Just want to let you know I was ignoring anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, no, no, no, no, this is not this

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<v Speaker 1>is just it finally happened, and you did it with her,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a way better show than ours would have been,

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<v Speaker 1>probably because she thought so then she brought her same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>her same conclusion to this. So I just find it

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that as a conspiracy theorist when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>true crime, ship Julia just watches the the documentaries.

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<v Speaker 5>The because I'm going off the information provided.

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<v Speaker 4>But like with.

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<v Speaker 2>If I made it to be fair, they're very compelling.

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<v Speaker 2>Magic show. Well he financed, well organized, well perpetrated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, for sure, and they do a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean again, it's hard to defend a scumbag, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean again, let's be honest with you. Scott Peterson's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a scum bag, and that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the defense said ship like that, defending it.

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<v Speaker 2>You got you got to recognize the facts. Though, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I do agree with Garry Goos in that regard. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to try to he's gotten ship over there.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still that clip I have. He's still defending Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Peterson today. So he's always defended Scott Peterson and some

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<v Speaker 2>people folks have said he did it in the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. He was up against a fucking mountain,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And it's the same thing with Brian Coberger.

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<v Speaker 2>The media convict him nothing in the courtroom, did you know? So?

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<v Speaker 1>I think Gary Goes, actually, in my opinion, was in

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<v Speaker 1>on the Scott Peter set up because he ignored key

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<v Speaker 1>fucking witnesses. He ignored stuff that went on with the

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<v Speaker 1>cadaver dogs. He could have admitted a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in his defense that would amit Scott look a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more innocent, and he didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You make a fantastic argument, sir. I'm in the same

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I see all of the things you all

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<v Speaker 2>have said so far about this case.

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<v Speaker 3>I sit on in that same position.

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<v Speaker 2>Without four I can't confirm these people are actually dead,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no record of any of their desks with any

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<v Speaker 2>outside of what law enforcement's provenly lied across the Specialum

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<v Speaker 2>Activities has said. There's no independent, verifiable evidence of their deaths.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no probate court cases for their estates to set

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<v Speaker 2>all their debts. And you know, you know their their moneys,

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<v Speaker 2>which they did have properties that's documented, so like vehicles

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot, So that's weird. There's no there's no burials,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no funerals. They were all four victims were lugedly cremated.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no photographs or videos of anyone taking bodies out

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<v Speaker 2>of the house. There's no there's all the evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>the crime scene photos now do not comport with the

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<v Speaker 2>video or the written reports that do not comport with

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<v Speaker 2>a nine one one call, the leak nine on one

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<v Speaker 2>call that's not official, that's still never beneficially out. So

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<v Speaker 2>we see all this magic show that goes on in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of distractions. I said the same way that

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<v Speaker 2>in this case though I did with that one is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, defense Attorney Anne Taylor did not she she

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<v Speaker 2>did a great job in many respects, well, much like

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<v Speaker 2>I say about Garry Gez. But yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of holes there, Man, there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of holes there.

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<v Speaker 5>I kind of want to walk through the timeline and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna tell you as the timeline unfolds why I

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<v Speaker 5>think he's guilty, and you can just debate me and

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<v Speaker 5>tell me how wrong I am.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's a great way to do it, is I

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<v Speaker 2>like that and worked out well with the OJ stuff too, Man.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because I think as the story progresses, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 5>he just looks more and more and more and more guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>So are you gonna I don't disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't do himself any favors, and if I want to,

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<v Speaker 2>if I may kick it off on that note, So

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<v Speaker 2>let's imagine the scenario where this dude did not do

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<v Speaker 2>it right, which is again, all the evidence supports that

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<v Speaker 2>none of the evidence of the state provided, even the

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<v Speaker 2>fictional shit, really provides any sort of anything better than

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<v Speaker 2>what would be described as circumstantial evidence. And even that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't fit the chronology of events that he was We

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<v Speaker 2>know where Scott Peterson was, Like, they just squeezed stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in there and ignored known facts of where his locations

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<v Speaker 2>were on that day. They alleged that the murders occurred

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<v Speaker 2>on the twenty fourth, because after the trial began, they

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<v Speaker 2>argued in the opening state, when the murders occurred on

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty sixth, they moved the ship back during the trial,

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<v Speaker 2>not during the investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>So I know why they did that too.

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<v Speaker 3>What's that, sir?

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<v Speaker 4>I think I know why they did that. Why is

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<v Speaker 4>that because the.

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<v Speaker 1>Timeline with the Medina robbery did not fit the timeframe

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<v Speaker 1>And they even fucking said first, those two guys said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they didn't deny doing the robbery, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they said they did it on the twenty seventh, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, well, the Medinas were home from their

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas trip like late the twenty sixth or early the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventh, so you couldn't have rubbed. And they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, we did it on the twenty s And

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<v Speaker 1>then the official story became, Yeah, there's fucking camera crews,

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<v Speaker 1>all that shit going on on the twenty six why

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<v Speaker 1>would they be across the house robbing it? So they

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<v Speaker 1>had It's like they hadn't gotten their story straight. And

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know that they did that in the

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<v Speaker 1>opening statement.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's exactly that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly what went on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you look at the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>details and how they even got to that point, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is the street, the home across the street

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<v Speaker 2>got robbed, and those guys were apparently suspects at some

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<v Speaker 2>point in time. There's two robbers, and one of them

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<v Speaker 2>made statements about her interacting with her Lacy Peterson well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the course of that robbery on a

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<v Speaker 2>jail phone call.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the yeah, the same thing. I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>The lieutenant of the correctional facility called the prosecutor and

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<v Speaker 1>the cops and the defense. I don't know did they

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<v Speaker 1>call the defense on that one. I might be mixing

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<v Speaker 1>sh it up, but I think he did. And they

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<v Speaker 1>all he said, yeah, I have these two brothers in here,

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<v Speaker 1>Scott and something tempering to Temperington or some shit.

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<v Speaker 5>The other guy's name is Scott too, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so the two the Burlers.

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<v Speaker 1>No, these two brothers in this correctional facility. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a phone call between two brothers. One of those guys

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<v Speaker 1>was like Scott temp Temperton or Tempington, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, but that and he they just destroyed r what's that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But they just they just destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>They recognized that she was talked about in that conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>but who knows where the tape went.

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<v Speaker 5>But I have a problem with this because his alibi

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<v Speaker 5>for it went down on the twenty fourth, right, officially

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<v Speaker 5>the twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's that's well, that's their statement.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we get there, they and doing so in

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<v Speaker 2>the state that she even going back to the twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>they ignore the ten eyewitness statements over the standard route

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<v Speaker 2>of her travel of walking your dog after she had

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<v Speaker 2>breakfast on the twenty fourth with Scott, her husband, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's accounted for during that time afterwards. Again, the chronology

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<v Speaker 2>of events, it never fits. There's nothing imports in their

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<v Speaker 2>in their and their uh in their claims. But they

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<v Speaker 2>have ten eye witness statements claiming they all saw the

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<v Speaker 2>Lacy Peterson walking that dog.

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<v Speaker 5>See, so okay, why did he tell everybody? Why did

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<v Speaker 5>he tell everybody that he went golfing and then later

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<v Speaker 5>told everybody that he went fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll get to that in a second. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>good question, because again, the guy's a scumbag. Was she

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<v Speaker 2>his eight eight months pregnant?

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<v Speaker 4>Wise, That's my thing is he probably was fucking around.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that was the only girl he was begging?

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<v Speaker 4>He admitted later on that it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he if he meant at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, but he said there there had been others,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't really specify as far as I know

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<v Speaker 1>what that meant.

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<v Speaker 3>There was evidence of others again, he admitted. So again

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<v Speaker 3>the state focused on that amber for Iolady because they

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<v Speaker 3>need to focus on his upset, his alleged obsession with her,

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<v Speaker 3>of which there was no evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that sou but to the to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>if the murder did accurrent on the twenty fourth, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to ignore, and the state did. Then eyewitness accounts

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<v Speaker 2>of normally see Lacy Peterson walking her dog on a

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<v Speaker 2>normal route. The dogs later found on its leash.

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<v Speaker 4>Outside by name fucking buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so, if Scott Peterson kills her, then how

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<v Speaker 2>do you have to count for the dog in these

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<v Speaker 2>eyewitness statements? And then you have to count for her

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<v Speaker 2>going home after that? And the forensic data of her

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<v Speaker 2>their computer showed search results for sunflower dresses or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, which is something she was a big shit

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<v Speaker 2>everything with sunflowers.

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<v Speaker 3>With Lacy Peterson.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody was searching sunflower dresses with sunflower patterns on it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at like one o'clock in the afternoon on

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty four. So then you have her that one

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<v Speaker 2>during the time of that robbery.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know how they explained that one away?

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<v Speaker 3>I think they just ignored it.

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<v Speaker 5>Because why did he lie about going to the golf court.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a theory on all of it where I

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<v Speaker 1>think it makes perfect sense what Scott was up to

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<v Speaker 1>and why he lied, and why he knew his wife

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<v Speaker 1>was either missing or dead, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Why like that, they said Lacy had a doctor's note

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<v Speaker 5>that she was supposed to be on bedrest, that she

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<v Speaker 5>should not have been walking the dog that day because

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<v Speaker 5>she was having fainting spells.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, regardless of all that, we will talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Scott Peterson, he was working for this fertilizer

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<v Speaker 1>company that opened up a new thing and they were

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<v Speaker 1>selling androgynists hydroxide, and Scott had some neo Nazi witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>come forward and talk about conversations. It looked like his

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<v Speaker 1>parents were laundering money through the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and let's unpack that for a moment, sir. We're

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with this with a case in meth Desto, California,

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<v Speaker 2>the meth capital of America. Methm fatima is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the primary products, is what you just identified, and the

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<v Speaker 2>production and manufacturer meth.

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<v Speaker 3>You need those chemicals in that fertilizer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>His father got him hooked into these things. And his

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<v Speaker 2>father and mother run an interesting import export business out

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<v Speaker 2>of San Diego.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're buying their kids, one of them, like his

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<v Speaker 1>one of his half brothers, is basically a retard, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were buying and that's the one whose idea he had,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, And they were buying these kids homes and

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<v Speaker 1>then switching whose names the mortgages were on in very

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<v Speaker 1>odd ways. And then you got to account for the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that all these people he's running with, he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to Fresno a lot. I think Scott Peterson got he

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<v Speaker 1>pissed the wrong fucking people off, and they fucking gave

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<v Speaker 1>him a choice and he opted out and they killed

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<v Speaker 1>his fucking wife and kid.

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<v Speaker 4>If this is real, that's what I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're honest on the serto. I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's certainly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not exactly in the complete agreement with your assessment,

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<v Speaker 2>but your general assessment. I am if there's something going

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<v Speaker 2>on here, if it did happen for real, he pissed

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<v Speaker 2>somebody off, and drugs were involved in the Mets productions,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's white nationalist you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a major episent in factivity. There were all that

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<v Speaker 3>dating back.

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<v Speaker 2>To the manson air when he was running meth with

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<v Speaker 2>the Hell's Angels through that region.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I think it's all the same playbook there.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's the same network.

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<v Speaker 4>Julia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Julia talks about how there's this note from the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor and all this stuff, and that's maybe true. But

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of the baby, people have pointed out that that

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<v Speaker 1>she would have been thirty one weeks along when this happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and they find like a pristine looking newborn then they

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<v Speaker 1>find her body. Now they said the baby was like

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six to thirty seven weeks the no eight weeks

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<v Speaker 1>that's what.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, But how.

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<v Speaker 1>Far along was she when this kidnapping or whatever went down?

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<v Speaker 1>She was thirty one weeks along, that is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put a pin on that, because that's the forensics

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone ignored. So there was some distinct differences in

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<v Speaker 2>decomposition between the alleged torso that's what they found and

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<v Speaker 2>then they would later claim was DNA through blood and

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<v Speaker 2>DNA they proved that that was Lacy Peterson's torsos that

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<v Speaker 2>came up from the water, allegedly anchored down by some

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<v Speaker 2>concrete anchors built by her husband, allegedly again not proven.

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<v Speaker 2>But the baby, yeah, it seemed to be having to

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<v Speaker 2>actually have been given birth at some point and been

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<v Speaker 2>lived longer than its mother.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was trying to talk to her about this

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<v Speaker 1>last night because it just it gives a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>credence to the fact that she was held longer. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't find her body till April, and they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean is unforgiving, and then she's missing extremities and

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<v Speaker 1>most of her organs never found her head. Now, that

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<v Speaker 1>looks to me like that's not something the ocean did.

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<v Speaker 1>She was part of a ritual, part of what they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted us to believe happened to Sharon Tate kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe the child was kept alight and killed a

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<v Speaker 1>later day and thrown in and then she always when

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about this last night, she brings up, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why why would he have been at that bay, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, of course, if the people see, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>people are gonna believe that's where they're gonna dump. The

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<v Speaker 1>body is where they where he said he was, so

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make him look guilty exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone needs that against them, and Sandy Coburger, if

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<v Speaker 2>you have no evidence, that's evidence against them. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't, if you have evidence of him being somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>well then we'll pen we'll put the evidence in that area.

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<v Speaker 3>So everyone knew he went, he said he from day no. One.

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<v Speaker 2>He never lied to law enforcement about any of his

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<v Speaker 2>activities outside of this claim of the fishing and the

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<v Speaker 2>golfing thing the Joliys mentioned. I do think that's the

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<v Speaker 2>most interesting portions of his tail, because the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>his chronology of events to law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not a good liar. It's proven to not be

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<v Speaker 3>a good liar.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing because he tried to lie, the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing you know, to try to lie about to law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement was his affair, and they quickly found that out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then to me, the anchor thing, I think he

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<v Speaker 1>may have been dumping product or something for these fucking people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, Dude, you have well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>so you have and the production of mathema vetemanes. You

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<v Speaker 2>have with all these chemicals, I've never made math. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never even seen breaking bad but brought to us by

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<v Speaker 2>one of Charles Manson's friends, Brian Cranston, friends with Charles Manson.

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<v Speaker 3>His word's not mine. They knew each other anyhow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, strangely, why is it always Manson's buddies bringing always

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<v Speaker 2>always processed fuckers bringing us all this degradation to society.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird, right, So there's a lot of byproduct, so they

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<v Speaker 3>have to do something with that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just go throat and you know, in a

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<v Speaker 2>ways you gotta have you know, where'd you get all

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<v Speaker 2>these chemicals you're dumping?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I make meth at home, you know. I mean you

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<v Speaker 2>got to do something with it. So what's a great

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<v Speaker 2>way to do it? Build some concrete anchors, go throat

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<v Speaker 2>in the ocean to one of your dudes who's out

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<v Speaker 2>there fishing every week or something like that, because the

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<v Speaker 2>guy is a big fisherman. His first day with Lacy

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<v Speaker 2>Peterson was fishing. Okay, I'm a big fisherman. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>live in a van down by the river. I live

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a fucking mountain man. I've never taken my first

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<v Speaker 2>day in it. Why, I mean, I was married for

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen years, but never did my first day in into

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<v Speaker 2>to fishing.

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<v Speaker 5>But he didn't have the boat. He bought the boat

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<v Speaker 5>the day he told Amber Fry that his wife was dead.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's a lie.

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<v Speaker 5>But why tell her my wife is dead?

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<v Speaker 1>And then we are not we are not debating whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not Scott Peterson was a scumbag liar.

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<v Speaker 4>We all know that. But what was he trying to

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<v Speaker 4>cover up with his life.

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<v Speaker 5>Before December ninth? What?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 5>How do you explain? What was he you saying he

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<v Speaker 5>bought the boat on December ninth because he was dumping drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>He was always fishing, he was renting. So let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>unpack evers saying. Let's also note back to his father.

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<v Speaker 2>His father's went and got him this job again. And

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<v Speaker 2>let's also know that according for whatever reason, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>so the state try to pretend like this, this identity

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<v Speaker 2>that Scott Peterson had created for himself with Amber Fry

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<v Speaker 2>on those recordings, that they had her do right, which

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<v Speaker 2>he again was very apologetic to her for lying et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of things that we said about

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<v Speaker 2>his behavior there that doesn't really yield to appoint to

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<v Speaker 2>him being guilty, but it was framed that way, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were framing as an obsession with this lady, and

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<v Speaker 2>again he by his own emission, was banging the other ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a scumbag, but that is That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So what other scumbag activities into? So he's he's always fishing,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's renting boats, he's doing these other things. He's

431
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<v Speaker 2>going to Cairo. He's going to, uh, give me one second.

432
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<v Speaker 2>My dog's are getting outrageous, Give me one second.

433
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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

434
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, when we're trying to parse out with

435
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<v Speaker 2>Scott Peterson, did or did not do here? I mean

436
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<v Speaker 2>he's obviously hiding since again what is he hiding?

437
00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Right? What activities was he into? What was he doing

438
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<v Speaker 3>on on these fishing trips.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Why is a fertilizer salesman who became the top fertilizer

440
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<v Speaker 2>salesman for that company, a company that's out of Spain.

441
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<v Speaker 2>I believe it is, if I'm not mistaken or as

442
00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:44.279
<v Speaker 2>some weird European connections and Peterson's going to Cairo, He's

443
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<v Speaker 2>going to Belgium, He's going to there's another far off

444
00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:50.640
<v Speaker 2>destination that he's going to. Hey, yo, there's an other

445
00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:52.880
<v Speaker 2>far off destinations going to. What where's he going through

446
00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:54.680
<v Speaker 2>these times that the state would later claim that he's

447
00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:57.519
<v Speaker 2>lying to him or fry about being this jet center. Gup, No,

448
00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.519
<v Speaker 2>he's really going to those places. He just wasn't there

449
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<v Speaker 2>at the time he was telling umber Fray he was

450
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<v Speaker 2>there Paris.

451
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's worth note the androgenous hydroxide is an

452
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<v Speaker 1>ineffective and more expensive fertilizer than what's on the market

453
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<v Speaker 1>for farmers in the area.

454
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<v Speaker 4>Yet he's a top salesman. Who's he selling this shit too?

455
00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.319
<v Speaker 1>I want to see your seats on that shit, because yes,

456
00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:23.200
<v Speaker 1>this guy, I'll just say, he's got some corn pop

457
00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:24.079
<v Speaker 1>qualities to him.

458
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<v Speaker 4>He's a bad dude and he's hanging. He's running with

459
00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:27.279
<v Speaker 4>some bad boys.

460
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<v Speaker 1>So those bad boys definitely are behind this in my opinion,

461
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<v Speaker 1>and the evidence of the fetus and the I think

462
00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.480
<v Speaker 1>they turned him over to the process or whoever else

463
00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:42.279
<v Speaker 1>is fucking running satanic rituals in that area. I mean,

464
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<v Speaker 1>this is the area and they were also searching fresh

465
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<v Speaker 1>waterways in the foothills of the Sierras, and made me

466
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<v Speaker 1>think of all these fucking program to kill people that

467
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<v Speaker 1>Julie is talking about. That's like, probably why they were

468
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<v Speaker 1>looking up there is because maybe that is where it

469
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<v Speaker 1>happened places like that, And why were they searching just

470
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<v Speaker 1>anywhere where there's water.

471
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<v Speaker 4>Scott could have been fishing or dumping bodies.

472
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but can I mean, that's a good question. What

473
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<v Speaker 3>it begs the question what else was going on and

474
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<v Speaker 3>they were looking for? Right?

475
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<v Speaker 5>But all right, all right, let me back it up

476
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<v Speaker 5>just a little bit. Okay, just backing up a little bit.

477
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<v Speaker 5>The day that she supposedly went missing, right, he if

478
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<v Speaker 5>he didn't do it himself, he knew she was already

479
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<v Speaker 5>fucking dead, or that she was about to be fucking dead.

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<v Speaker 4>That was part of my argument.

481
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<v Speaker 5>He comes home, he does a load of laundry for himself,

482
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<v Speaker 5>he eats a piece of pizza, he takes a shower,

483
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<v Speaker 5>he's moseying around the house. Then he calls her mom

484
00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.079
<v Speaker 5>and was like, Hey, if Lacy's not over there, I

485
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<v Speaker 5>guess she's missing.

486
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<v Speaker 1>Which is when the nonchalant is fucked, which is when

487
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<v Speaker 1>the reported nine one one call was made by her stepfather. Yeah,

488
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<v Speaker 1>I think all that can track. Scott did not look

489
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<v Speaker 1>like he was in mourning. He was a poor an addict,

490
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<v Speaker 1>he was a sex addict, and he kept that ship

491
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<v Speaker 1>going after all this went down. Yeah, he doesn't do

492
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<v Speaker 1>himself any favors. And yeah, this is not about what

493
00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:08.680
<v Speaker 1>he knew.

494
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<v Speaker 3>Was going on. Right, they all knew something was going

495
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:12.680
<v Speaker 3>on the media frame he was trying to go to Mexico.

496
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<v Speaker 3>He may have been, we don't know for sure.

497
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<v Speaker 2>But when he dyed his hair and had his brother's

498
00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.119
<v Speaker 2>driver's license, all those things, camping equipment and his mother

499
00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:22.200
<v Speaker 2>bottom of car, et cetera. Well, here's the deal. The

500
00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:23.880
<v Speaker 2>whole family knew they were in that he was in

501
00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:25.920
<v Speaker 2>some ship. Because the whole family's involved in some ship,

502
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<v Speaker 2>it seems right.

503
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<v Speaker 3>So we look after the.

504
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Like a cult, like a processed style cult, ride dealing drugs,

505
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.640
<v Speaker 2>like just like that same area with with the Hell's

506
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Angels and Charles Manson with with a mathem Medesto for

507
00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.759
<v Speaker 2>decades earlier. We're to assume that's an extension of a

508
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:42.839
<v Speaker 2>similar network or same network. We're going to see the

509
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.960
<v Speaker 2>same activities and patterns, and we do so the fact

510
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<v Speaker 2>that we see the family doing all these weird things

511
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<v Speaker 2>that they're helping him hide something. They've all maintained his innocence,

512
00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:53.599
<v Speaker 2>so it would indicate they all know something.

513
00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.720
<v Speaker 3>He indicated he knew something. He knew because he knew

514
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<v Speaker 3>that he was involved with the ship.

515
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<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's not easy to get, right, fifteen thousand.

516
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.799
<v Speaker 1>In cash, well, not by your normal means. But also,

517
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.640
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have money on record. He was fucking up

518
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to his eyeballs in debt, That's what I'm saying. And

519
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.359
<v Speaker 1>he was wealthy, but it wasn't on paper because it

520
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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be.

521
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<v Speaker 5>So that you're saying, that's where the fifteen thousand in

522
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:20.119
<v Speaker 5>cash came from.

523
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:23.519
<v Speaker 1>This guy's traveling around buying new shit. They were not

524
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<v Speaker 1>a product of wealth. Her parents had some money, yeah,

525
00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:28.640
<v Speaker 1>but not a lot of.

526
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:30.880
<v Speaker 5>Thousand in cash.

527
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<v Speaker 1>All right, With that narrative that you're presenting, how do

528
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<v Speaker 1>you account for the fifteen k.

529
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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying, if he's got this money and he's not

530
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<v Speaker 5>the one who did it, he knew from fucking Jump

531
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:46.839
<v Speaker 5>Street she was dead.

532
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<v Speaker 1>That tracks with what I'm trying to You guys are

533
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<v Speaker 1>read Oh yeah, that's what I agree.

534
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<v Speaker 4>So have you guys either read or seen Gone Girl? Yeah?

535
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<v Speaker 4>Do you know what I think? This guy looks Ben Affleck.

536
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:01.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah he does.

537
00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>When I watched Gone Girl, I kept thinking of this

538
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.279
<v Speaker 1>case me too. I was like, wait a minute, what

539
00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:12.799
<v Speaker 1>is David Fincher, director of Hollywood. CIA heard saying. Because

540
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:15.240
<v Speaker 1>it's always David Fincher. He gave us the social network,

541
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.160
<v Speaker 1>he gives us these cut and dry fucking He used

542
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:20.160
<v Speaker 1>to be a great filmmaker.

543
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:21.640
<v Speaker 4>Now he makes propaganda.

544
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that Gone Girl was another nod

545
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:26.200
<v Speaker 1>to Scott Peterson.

546
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Zodiac was kind of propaganda.

547
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<v Speaker 5>I think so too.

548
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Zodiac's very propaganda. I think it's total great movie too.

549
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:37.799
<v Speaker 5>I loved the movie. But it's just a story.

550
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.359
<v Speaker 4>It's not it's a good story. They told us.

551
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.319
<v Speaker 2>It's a fanciful tale, right, brought to us by Robert Smith,

552
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:49.400
<v Speaker 2>not Robert gray Smith. His name is Roberts gray Smith

553
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.559
<v Speaker 2>the third. His father was the US Air Force colonel.

554
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<v Speaker 4>Did he sing in the band The Cure?

555
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Right? The Uh?

556
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, here, let's look at these details there. So he's

557
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:06.240
<v Speaker 2>lying about going on a fishing trip because they doesn't

558
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.240
<v Speaker 2>want people to know he bought this secret boat. He

559
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:09.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want Bill knows and got a secret boat because

560
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 2>he's dumping drug stuff and you know, for other parties

561
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>in the ocean, is what we're saying, right Colby?

562
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and why why the homemade anchors? If you just

563
00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>killed your wife, you're gonna make an anchor, you'd go.

564
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 4>Buy a fuck.

565
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 5>He lied about the anchors.

566
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>He lied about it because of what he was really doing.

567
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.319
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to go down for a good lie.

568
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:28.160
<v Speaker 2>About the concrete, he said, he about the concrete for

569
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:30.359
<v Speaker 2>his driveway. But you're not gonna tell no. I'm buying

570
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.079
<v Speaker 2>the concrete to build these anchors to say drug you know,

571
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:34.400
<v Speaker 2>you know.

572
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.119
<v Speaker 3>The the byproduct of drug drug manufacturer.

573
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.839
<v Speaker 4>He's such a sitting duck for a setup.

574
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<v Speaker 5>He also said that when he went fishing that morning,

575
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 5>that he was using some type of silver lure.

576
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 1>At first, he didn't know what he was using. If

577
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<v Speaker 1>you if you listen to the cops, and then he

578
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.480
<v Speaker 1>lied because apparently they were talking about sturgeon fishing at

579
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<v Speaker 1>one point. I mean, they focused a way too much

580
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:01.559
<v Speaker 1>on that because obviously this guy's a liar.

581
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.559
<v Speaker 5>He makes himself look like dog shit because he.

582
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 4>Couldn't have made himself look any guilty or we're on

583
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:08.559
<v Speaker 4>the same page.

584
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Let's agree he's a liar. Let's agree that he made

585
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of he did lie a couple times in

586
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the police. But the overwhelming narrative is chronology events that

587
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 2>they you know what location he was at. He was

588
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 2>still doing an activity he didn't golfing because he's dumping

589
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 2>drug stuff.

590
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 4>Probably right, he had to have a cover story for

591
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 4>what he was doing.

592
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, So, but in investigating that, they never put

593
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 2>him in any place to put him in the fundamental

594
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:36.279
<v Speaker 2>aspect of an investigation homicides, specifically, you gotta you gotta

595
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 2>find your your suspect has to have a nexus point

596
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:40.359
<v Speaker 2>with about the victim and the crime scene. They never

597
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>found a crime scene and nexus point or even a weapon.

598
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they completely tried him in the court of publicion

599
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>with circumstantial evidence that looks horrible. There's no fucking way

600
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 1>they could have gotten a fair jury in this trial.

601
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 1>There is no fucking way. They couldn't have moved it

602
00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 1>to the moon.

603
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, and on top of this, they just made up

604
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 3>out right.

605
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Look, look, let's look at this stuff with the boat,

606
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.359
<v Speaker 2>so he went he did to go fishing he went

607
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>on the water. That was later proven they used a

608
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.839
<v Speaker 2>sniffer dog, a bloodhound that was not certified, that failed

609
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>at certifications, and they gave it an item of clothing

610
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 2>that had both Lacey and Scott sent on it, and

611
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>then they claimed that it tracked Lacey down a pier

612
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 2>where she was then taken into the water, and then

613
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>they should attractor in his warehouse. Yeah, but that dog

614
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 2>was tracking a scent item that also had Scott sent

615
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 2>on it, and nonetheless it also had failed its certifications,

616
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 2>and now that was approof. They brought that argument up

617
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 2>and try but again the no one's gonna listen to that.

618
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they were.

619
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>It was on record that this dog And I find

620
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>this number funny. I was telling Julia last night he

621
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>was wrong sixty six percent of the time. So knowing

622
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that and knowing all the witness testimony that's left out

623
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 1>of this trial, if you look at the circumstantial evidence,

624
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 1>and you look at the stuff that wasn't admitted, that

625
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 1>would make him look even like there is a possibility

626
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:01.599
<v Speaker 1>of his innocence.

627
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this was he was railroad.

628
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 5>So are you saying that him dumping the drugs in

629
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 5>his boat is the reason why weeks prior to her missing.

630
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, he's not dumping drugs.

631
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 1>First of all, he is he is he is the guy,

632
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>the chemical guy, and so he had to get rid

633
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of that ship.

634
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:20.759
<v Speaker 4>Like JJ was saying, he.

635
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Dumped the broad byproduct, right, That's how I look at it.

636
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well I was just gonna say, is that why

637
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 5>prior to her missing? Uh, he was researching tides?

638
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, he's dumping something. He's not dumping the body though.

639
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>He looks guilty if you know the mainstream, but you

640
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know what this guy was really up to.

641
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:43.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he looks guilty.

642
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 5>If we're going along with the gone girl narrative. Though,

643
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<v Speaker 5>do you think the body that they found was even.

644
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:50.920
<v Speaker 4>I think it's a little nod in a wink.

645
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:56.920
<v Speaker 5>I don't know exactly what ahead this wasn't find legs arms.

646
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.319
<v Speaker 5>All they found was like tits in a stomach.

647
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that ship was fucking sacrifice to Moloch. We'll never

648
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 1>find the.

649
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.000
<v Speaker 5>Head, Okay, But I'm saying, like, well, begs the question, Jode,

650
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 5>answer your question.

651
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>It begs the question.

652
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>When they do present later forendsic Evidence claiming they did

653
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>DNA testing and confirm it was Lacy and Connor, right,

654
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.039
<v Speaker 2>the baby and the mother there the bodies they located

655
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.119
<v Speaker 2>the torso and then the baby. Well, we to believe

656
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 2>them when they've lied so many other times across the case.

657
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.720
<v Speaker 4>So you're saying that might not have even.

658
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Been I'm saying I'd like to you know, once again,

659
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 2>once they lie so many times, Man, it's hard to

660
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 2>believe them when they make that. When they made that

661
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 2>conclusion later, you know, when we we can point to

662
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>things that they demonstered me a lot about it, and

663
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.799
<v Speaker 2>then the state would not you know, uh, obfuscated items

664
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.839
<v Speaker 2>from the defense. For example, there was much like the

665
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Coburger defense or the case they the Coburger's defense requested

666
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty four times for discovery. In fact, recently they just

667
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>found out that they they proved in a most more

668
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.039
<v Speaker 2>recent filing even after the guilty plea here that the

669
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>state demonstrably withheld discovery claiming they didn't have it when

670
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 2>they did in fact testified under oath that they did

671
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:01.519
<v Speaker 2>have it later. So these things are relevant in the

672
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Peterson situation. So the State of California hands over discovery

673
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:09.559
<v Speaker 2>de Mark Errgos after Peterson the day after or the

674
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>day of maybe that Peterson signs that guilty plea. So

675
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and these matters that are constantly hiding these things, we

676
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>look at the authority's doing this.

677
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:18.039
<v Speaker 3>Let me let me look.

678
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Let me bring you up another case of this. This

679
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>case reminds me of So. This guy just got denied parole.

680
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:25.559
<v Speaker 2>He got fifteen years alive for the murder of his

681
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 2>wife here in Ohio back in two thousand and eight,

682
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Whidber.

683
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.559
<v Speaker 4>Right, God damn, just looking at him.

684
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>So there was no there was no evidence in this case.

685
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.400
<v Speaker 2>His wife died in the bath tub. He had a

686
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 2>very suspect story. He was also cheating on his wife,

687
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I believe, or at least trying to maybe like a

688
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>dating profile or something maybe who knows.

689
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I remember that precise of me. He was actually falling

690
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:50.440
<v Speaker 3>through that or trying to.

691
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 2>But nonetheless, there was in fidelity and there was no

692
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:55.559
<v Speaker 2>evidence saying she she had a medical condition. And the

693
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 2>claim was that she had that medical condition of the

694
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.200
<v Speaker 2>seizure and died and drowned in her bathtub while he

695
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 2>was downstairs watching TV. And again there was no evidence

696
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.279
<v Speaker 2>that he drowned her. Again, they based it was a

697
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 2>purely on this guy's scombag and etcetera, etcetera. The lead

698
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 2>detective in this this guy sits in prison. He just

699
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 2>got to night parole just a month ago. The judge

700
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>in this case is the same judge that convicted him,

701
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>was the same judge in the appeals court that denied

702
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>all of his appeals. That should be noted because again,

703
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 2>this is a framework I think when we have these

704
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:25.599
<v Speaker 2>these very high profile incidents. There's been so many date

705
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 2>lines in forty eight hours about this case. This happened

706
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati again back in two thousand and eight. The detective,

707
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the lead detective, was not even a credential law enforcement officer,

708
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 2>let alone a fucking detective. He had fraudulently created a

709
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>resume to get hired by that department was a suburban

710
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:48.279
<v Speaker 2>department north of Cincinnati, a township department. He had fraudulently

711
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>applied and filled out in resume saying he was a

712
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, law enforcement officer. Apparently no one checks these things.

713
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I guess you can just claim your detective and they

714
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 2>hire you. And then he gets assigned about six months

715
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 2>into that case, and fucking he gets found out later

716
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>by the defense and and argued a trial. This this

717
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:05.599
<v Speaker 2>entire thing is to get thrown out. This guy's not even

718
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 2>a fucking cop, let alone the detective. He's a fraudster,

719
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and they convicted the man anyway. So we see a

720
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of times where these details just simply don't matter

721
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>in high profile cases. I think it's important to take

722
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and look at some of these high profile cases and

723
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>see the comparisons though, and how they ignore evidence and

724
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 2>how they then present the stuff in the in the media.

725
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.559
<v Speaker 2>And we see the same kind of deal with Scott Peterson.

726
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 2>We just sawd Ryan Widber there that he was he

727
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>was he was a cheating husband, so it was an

728
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.039
<v Speaker 2>easy guy to blame in the media and then twistings around.

729
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:34.799
<v Speaker 5>Have you heard of the Chris Watts.

730
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 4>Case?

731
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, get a lot of messages to look into that.

732
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 4>Well. I don't whether that guy's guilty or not. What

733
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 4>I do know.

734
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that they use the same exact script almost to

735
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 1>a t.

736
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.720
<v Speaker 4>The only difference is the kids were alive.

737
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:02.039
<v Speaker 2>That so uh retire Grateful Police Police Department Ray Falls

738
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Montanna Police Department detective John Cameron, who wrote the seminal

739
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.639
<v Speaker 2>study on Edward Wayne Edwards, the serial killer you've probably

740
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.719
<v Speaker 2>never heard of. He asserts a large spectrum of murders

741
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 2>that Edward Wayne Edwards is responsible for. I assert he's

742
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.599
<v Speaker 2>onto something, but adds like the general in a hand

743
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 2>of Death cult, you know, like his buddy owedis tool

744
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 2>that he knew right who claims of being part of

745
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.199
<v Speaker 2>the Hand of Death call. So in that regard, Cameron

746
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.159
<v Speaker 2>attributes these murders to ed Now he also attributes the

747
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Chris Wats murders to d So when you're saying the

748
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>same playbow, he's in communicator. He's trying to John Cameron

749
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 2>has done interviews in recent you know, he hasn't been

750
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.679
<v Speaker 2>interviewed about six years, because he's seven years now. I've

751
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 2>been trying to get him on the podcast. We've been

752
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 2>in communications, but he seems to have been threatened a lot.

753
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I think are harassed or both. But you know, because

754
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.559
<v Speaker 2>he's ongoing enterprises in my in my assertion, in my

755
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 2>analysis and whatnot. And you know, he's he's been in

756
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>contact with Wayne Williams defense, Chris Watts defense. This guy's

757
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 2>trying to tell folks that these people have been friend

758
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.760
<v Speaker 2>using the same the same playbook. He's saying, it's the

759
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:04.199
<v Speaker 2>ad playbook. I think he's onto something.

760
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 1>I think Ed was in charge of that playbook, and

761
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.639
<v Speaker 1>it's an older playbook too somebody else, and it's.

762
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.679
<v Speaker 2>A very CIA chaos playbook because adds documented to be

763
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 2>part of the CIA Project Chaos stuff like.

764
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Ed and Ted.

765
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.480
<v Speaker 5>So you're thinking that's what happened with Lacey.

766
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking it was not something that could just coincidentally

767
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 1>have happened, and it's not fucking tied to all this

768
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we do know went on in that same

769
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>area for decades and it doesn't even matter because what.

770
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:40.760
<v Speaker 3>It still goes on today, right, So I don't know

771
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 3>what was your question.

772
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 5>You think that this this is like a blueprint.

773
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that if.

774
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Him, I think if the late great David McGowan hadn't

775
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>met his demise however that may have happened, that he

776
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>would have got onto this stuff and he would have

777
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>continued his program to kill work, and he would have

778
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>pointed out these networks because it's the same fucking thing.

779
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.400
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm trying to think of other stuff that people

780
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 5>bring up about the case that makes him look guilty.

781
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh, there's there's loads of it.

782
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 5>I mean sites Amber Fry which they love to point

783
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 5>out about that he would say stuff like, Oh, I'm

784
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.960
<v Speaker 5>not I haven't even been in the nursery. I can't

785
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 5>even stand to look at it. And then when they

786
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.800
<v Speaker 5>served the second search warrant, they found that he took

787
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:33.320
<v Speaker 5>all the baby stuff out yea into then he sold

788
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 5>her car, he put the house up for sale. This

789
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.480
<v Speaker 5>does not this is This is not a man. This

790
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 5>guy in his pregnant wife.

791
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>He probably already grieved before the press even knew any

792
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 1>of this has happened. And I think that this guy

793
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>was in bug out mode. He's waiting for this ship

794
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to die down. If it's going to he's gonna fucking

795
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.639
<v Speaker 1>get out.

796
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 4>And he tried shit shit is it?

797
00:36:56.480 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 3>The fan? Yeah, probably lives. They don't know, they don't

798
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.280
<v Speaker 3>know where it's going to end, and they.

799
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Don't know that if Scott goes down that he's not

800
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna fucking talk.

801
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 4>They probably wake up every morning going.

802
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Is today the day that Scott really says what happened

803
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 1>and implicates all of us?

804
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 3>And that's probably part of it too, man. So let's

805
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 3>look at something.

806
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:17.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna answer both of your all his points there

807
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.039
<v Speaker 2>if I may, And let's look at some of the

808
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>chronology of events. Here, so you know, uh, he for example,

809
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:24.800
<v Speaker 2>he was renting cars and going to the bay when

810
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 2>they were doing these searches. Well, he didn't want to

811
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:28.559
<v Speaker 2>go there in his own car. I mean, obviously it

812
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>looks suspicious. But at the same time, you know, he

813
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 2>knows they're trying to frame him. I mean, if you

814
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.400
<v Speaker 2>know you're trying to frame I'm prop up my mind

815
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.280
<v Speaker 2>in his mind, my brain holding his brain hole, if

816
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you will. And uh, if they're trying to frame him,

817
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>well he's want to go see what's going on over there.

818
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 2>He's not just gonna be like, oh, I'm just gonna

819
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 2>let them go do these things. Right, Like again, the

820
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 2>whole family's an alert, the whole family. So she disappears

821
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>on Well, first of all, we see the same comparison

822
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 2>with Brian Koberg. Before he's even indicted in January and

823
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>February of twenty twenty three, they're telling the whole mayor

824
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the media is that he's murdered other people they got

825
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 2>They're saying he's a suspect of the murders in Pennsylvania

826
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and Georgia and fucking all sorts of ship. He's a

827
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 2>new Ted Bundy, right, They're claiming that too. So we

828
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.119
<v Speaker 2>see the same thing with with with Scott Peterson. They

829
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.440
<v Speaker 2>blamed before he before the trial even began. Him and

830
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 2>him and Lacey met at cal Poly University there and

831
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:24.360
<v Speaker 2>two years after they met there, this student was murdered there.

832
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Now everyone's always known it was her boyfriend, and he's

833
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 2>since been arrested with her father, that Paul Fluores guy.

834
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>But the media at the time, you know, they woun'tar

835
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 2>rested at the time he went to rested. In recent years,

836
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying law enforcement knew who it was, but the

837
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 2>media is telling everybody that Scott Peterson did this murder.

838
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>So we see again this this this kind of pattern

839
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 2>of behavior, right, this framework so smart.

840
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:46.840
<v Speaker 5>I've never heard of that.

841
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 4>Really.

842
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah she was she That was the big media

843
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>headlines is, oh, Scott Peterson murders after April when they

844
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>found her the torso right, Scott Scott Peterson murdered his

845
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.199
<v Speaker 2>wife April two thousand and two, Scott or two other three,

846
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 2>I apologize Scott Peterson murder's wife and now he's a

847
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>suspect on the disappearance of another college student from the

848
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 2>from their university where they were at where they met.

849
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 4>JJ.

850
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.039
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you something real quick. Just this

851
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.079
<v Speaker 1>picture of Lacy that you had just had up there.

852
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Julia and I last night were wondering, are there any

853
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.760
<v Speaker 1>pictures of her full term pregnant, because everything is like this,

854
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.159
<v Speaker 1>it's from the chest up.

855
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I've only ever seen one, sir, Yes, I know your

856
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.519
<v Speaker 2>theory is this is this is not a real person.

857
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 3>I know. I like addressing all these theories as we're

858
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:35.440
<v Speaker 3>going through that.

859
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.079
<v Speaker 1>They could easily fake a pregnant photo. That's the other thing, like, hey.

860
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 5>Well we just talked about how with JJ actually how

861
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.320
<v Speaker 5>they have fake bumps and fake fucking all kinds of

862
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 5>stuff with pregnant women.

863
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Watch a movie where someone's watch Megan Markle walking around, Well.

864
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Just don't watch that movie with Charlie stair On because

865
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 2>she gained a sixty pound beer belly and she's not

866
00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 2>wear a fake fake baby bump. Totally totally isn't Maybe

867
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've only ever seen one other photo than

868
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 2>this one where she's laying and appears to be full term,

869
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and she's laying down on a couch and you can

870
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of see the belly hanging out of a T shirt.

871
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>That could even be angle. Think of a woman not pregnant.

872
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.679
<v Speaker 1>She's got her feet up on an ottoman right now.

873
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Picture this if you will. All I'm saying is I

874
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>don't see like a picture out there where she's eight

875
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>months pregnant. You say you have seen one, though.

876
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.599
<v Speaker 3>I'll find it. I'll find it on I'm referring to

877
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 3>I like because no, I'm just asking you to think

878
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 3>about this.

879
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety six, Pamela Anderson starred in the film

880
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Barbed Wire, and she they superimposed some of her face

881
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:44.280
<v Speaker 2>on some other lady's body, even though allegedly even though

882
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Pamela Anderson imposed naked or playboy that she didn't want

883
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 2>to pose, you know, be nude in this new film

884
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.079
<v Speaker 2>for Hollywood. So we know that technology allegedly exists to

885
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>do these things. We saw the same thing with Brandon

886
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Lee and Crow right allegedly at least right where they're

887
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>super imposing these things at real time on and can't

888
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 2>well why can't they do that in two thousand and

889
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 2>two on pictures right? They could be any lady's body, right,

890
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 2>John Bay, I know you're a big man of the

891
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:11.440
<v Speaker 2>John Benay case there, Julia well Uh in the book

892
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:17.400
<v Speaker 2>by Gary Singular. He writes about the at the time

893
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.800
<v Speaker 2>they had hired a hacker the Prosecutor's office there, I

894
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 2>think was the PD My apology, No, the news. Did

895
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 2>the news hire the local news hired a hacker to

896
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.559
<v Speaker 2>show them what was going on with this child pornography

897
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 2>stuff around these beauty pageants. And they were taking actual

898
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.039
<v Speaker 2>photographs of the young girls and then superimposing their faces

899
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 2>on new girl young girl's body.

900
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Speaker 3>So they had found evidence of such with John Benay,

901
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 3>I believe of taking evidence of her picture being distributed

902
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.280
<v Speaker 3>like that with you know, super imposts allegedly, right.

903
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, one hundred, one hundred well pictures.

904
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying this is what reporting. Gary Singler's pre

905
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>trustworthy source and in regards as reporting.

906
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, I was just gonna say, if we go

907
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:03.119
<v Speaker 5>on the theory, Lacey, this whole thing is staged and

908
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 5>it never happened. I haven't seen one ultrasound picture. I

909
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:11.639
<v Speaker 5>never saw one iota of a baby anything in this

910
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 5>entire case. Like if I died tomorrow and I was

911
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 5>murdered and they found my fucking carcass somewhere, I have

912
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:24.719
<v Speaker 5>so many pictures that they could show my belly they could,

913
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 5>they would show my ultrasound. They would show like just

914
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.280
<v Speaker 5>to you know how they like to traumatize people and

915
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 5>make it so personal, like this is the baby that

916
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.800
<v Speaker 5>he killed, Look look at the ultrasound or like any

917
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.039
<v Speaker 5>baby anything. Nothing. There was none of that with Lacey.

918
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of which, Julia brought up an interesting point that

919
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know about last night while we were talking

920
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 1>about this, because since around the baby stuff, she told

921
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>me that the fucking nursery theme was boats and a

922
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>life raft like a life saver rig.

923
00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:59.920
<v Speaker 3>That, oh yeah, you want your pa.

924
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:02.400
<v Speaker 5>And a life rap.

925
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:03.960
<v Speaker 3>I got a picture of her.

926
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 4>What poetic irony right there.

927
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 5>If it's staged, that's part of it exactly.

928
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Maybe that room wind never had ship in it and

929
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 4>it was storaged for a while, who knows.

930
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.000
<v Speaker 3>So that this is the.

931
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Family of Peterson runs this website Scott Peterson Appeal dot org,

932
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.679
<v Speaker 2>and they have they have they have the case summaries

933
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 2>and facts appeal information, et cetera. And they have all

934
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.239
<v Speaker 2>this information timelines, et cetera. So we can look at

935
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>some of this stuff in that boat and the Lacey sidings.

936
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Right again, some of the evidence that was ignored, not

937
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 2>in inentered into evidence.

938
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Again.

939
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.800
<v Speaker 2>So what we're saying here also in regards to if

940
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.079
<v Speaker 2>this was all, you know, a kind of a fictional event,

941
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 2>right to distract from some month that something else in

942
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 2>this maybe drug network. You know, let's let's just say,

943
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:53.800
<v Speaker 2>let's me impose this for example, what this is. My

944
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:55.480
<v Speaker 2>brain holds that as you're just saying these things, like,

945
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, something goes on this drug network and they

946
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.239
<v Speaker 2>got to do something to distract things from it, right,

947
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 2>So they run a you know, fake operation of sorts

948
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason that we don't the unknown reason they

949
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.239
<v Speaker 2>have to do it, the motivation is behind it. But

950
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I can make that same argument for the IAO four

951
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 2>cases because again there's no evidence there are they running

952
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.079
<v Speaker 2>that operation deflect from something else within this Iran contra

953
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of drugged smuggling, processed churchy and efforts, because there's

954
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 2>connection to all of that with Idaho contra as I

955
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>call it. So I think that's interesting to note because

956
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.239
<v Speaker 2>if we're gonna look at that and take that into consideration, well,

957
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 2>then the family's still part of it by running this

958
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.280
<v Speaker 2>shit right, by even running this website and shit right.

959
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I just was a little tangent I was

960
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 1>going to bring it up a little while but ago

961
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>when Amber came up, she was exonerated as soon as

962
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>the cops found out about her.

963
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 4>They heard her story out. This is what they say.

964
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:48.880
<v Speaker 1>They heard her story out. They publicly announce Amber Fry

965
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:52.119
<v Speaker 1>has come forward. She's done honest with us. We're exonerating her.

966
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 1>She's not a suspect.

967
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 4>But she lawyers up and gets this high profile celebrity lawyer.

968
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Why did she lawyer up up? They say, we are

969
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.280
<v Speaker 1>not looking into her whatsoever. She's cooperating with us. There's

970
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:07.119
<v Speaker 1>the prego pic.

971
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, that's an interesting point, man, it's an

972
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 3>interesting point.

973
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, in your opinion, why would in these circumstances that

974
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>they set for set out for us, why does she

975
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 1>need to.

976
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I agree, it's not a strong there's not

977
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 3>a strong case for to get an attorney that respect,

978
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:27.559
<v Speaker 3>and this.

979
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.599
<v Speaker 4>High profile celebrity attorney.

980
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

981
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.880
<v Speaker 5>And by the way, this this high profile celebrity attorney

982
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 5>approached her and said I will represent you for free.

983
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:40.760
<v Speaker 4>And it does scream you know.

984
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, you have to take that and consider in the

985
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:44.960
<v Speaker 2>context of circumstances. Also, I may because you have to

986
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.320
<v Speaker 2>understand that what they used her for in the prosecution,

987
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 2>so they had her do all these secret phone calls, which,

988
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 2>by the way, it's California's two party consent state.

989
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:59.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying, there you go the mel Gibsondom.

990
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Right or that or the Clippers owner, remember that one?

991
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 4>Oh do I that racist son of a bitch right

992
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:10.239
<v Speaker 4>the attorney.

993
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 5>You'll you'll like this JJ, the attorney that represented Amber.

994
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 5>He's an all Red Mormon. Fucking Gloria. Oh it was Gloria.

995
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Speaker 3>I know. Yeah, it's either her daughter. I couldn't remember

996
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 3>which one it was. They're always involved in these That's

997
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.159
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying. So she started unpacking the anatomy of

998
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 3>these high profile events. You start seeing these patterns of

999
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:35.079
<v Speaker 3>the same people in activities.

1000
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:39.119
<v Speaker 4>Dude, when you told me it was a high profile celebrity,

1001
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:40.960
<v Speaker 4>like I said, she told me this last night. I

1002
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't know it was Gloria. That just adds credence to

1003
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 4>the sensationalization of the trial.

1004
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:46.519
<v Speaker 5>All Red.

1005
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.599
<v Speaker 4>They also I've seen Nancy Grace go off about this

1006
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:54.920
<v Speaker 4>case and all she does is say he's guilty, he

1007
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.480
<v Speaker 4>was a he was a philanderin cheater, and it's like, okay,

1008
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 4>but where's the evidence of him killing her? You're just

1009
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 4>taught you're doing character defamation here. You're not laying out

1010
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.679
<v Speaker 4>a compelling case that he's guilty. It's just like we

1011
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 4>told you he's guilty, he did this, this.

1012
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 5>This, and this.

1013
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 4>We don't need to talk about real evidence.

1014
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's I think that's where Nancy Grace

1015
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:15.960
<v Speaker 3>came on the stage was in this case.

1016
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 4>Right mm hmm. I think it's one of the things

1017
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 4>that brought her to.

1018
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.159
<v Speaker 3>National public public mindset. Huh h.

1019
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 5>Is there a picture of the crib by itself?

1020
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 3>JJ Let me let me look at here, because that's where.

1021
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.400
<v Speaker 5>She had like all the little boat stuff and like

1022
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 5>the life preserver raft. Yes, ma'am, that is not that

1023
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 5>is not traditional baby stuff.

1024
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 6>Look.

1025
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I understand we're saying that. I'm not

1026
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not just crediting it. I do, like, I like

1027
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 2>your brain holes out on this theory. But they again,

1028
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 2>their first day was fishing, was a big fisherman.

1029
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 4>It tracks, but it just adds a little twist to them.

1030
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 5>I feel like it adds to the twist of this

1031
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.400
<v Speaker 5>is staged as fucked, just like how they brought up

1032
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:03.480
<v Speaker 5>Martha Stewart and how the episode of Martha Stewart that

1033
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 5>she was supposedly watching that morning about making merangue pie

1034
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 5>or whatever, and they had to play that episode for

1035
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 5>everybody in the court.

1036
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 4>I believe it was Krimberlet.

1037
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:14.159
<v Speaker 5>It was merangue pie.

1038
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, I heard another story where he was going to

1039
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 1>be making she was going to be making French toast.

1040
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 5>I mean it depends on another story that she was

1041
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.559
<v Speaker 5>supposed to be making a gingerbread fucking.

1042
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 4>House and he calls her about getting a fruit basket.

1043
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:25.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1044
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they really build up this big Christmas dinner

1045
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that tragically.

1046
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 5>Is going on.

1047
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:32.039
<v Speaker 3>There is a lot of that.

1048
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.039
<v Speaker 2>There is a lot of narrative building that goes on

1049
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 2>around both sides of this case. You don't make us

1050
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 2>some good points, So if we we're just we can

1051
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.800
<v Speaker 2>go past the lies and just want to point out

1052
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:42.280
<v Speaker 2>that his family does make a good argument for all

1053
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 2>these lies and points out the only that he lies

1054
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the police about is that golf fishing instead of golf

1055
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:48.760
<v Speaker 2>and an amber fry and is an accurate statement. And

1056
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.239
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have even well, I have a clip from

1057
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 2>garat Goos and Gang. They even point out there is

1058
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.360
<v Speaker 2>no gaps in his chronology of events that day.

1059
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also I think the thing with Annember getting

1060
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>an attorney, I think Amber is a liar too. I

1061
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 1>think Amber knew he was married, and then when this

1062
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.719
<v Speaker 1>missing person thing came to attention, she was like, oh, fuck.

1063
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, now now you're gonna bring Now you're dancing to

1064
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 2>my territory of theory, sir, so, I think Scott Peterson,

1065
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 2>like much like many people involved in these high profile

1066
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>events that are being framed as Patsy's and situations, are

1067
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:23.000
<v Speaker 2>part of a sex coal. I'm not gonna say it's

1068
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.840
<v Speaker 2>specifically Thley Maker process. But let's take for example, this

1069
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 2>is the theory of John Cameron and the overarching theory

1070
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.119
<v Speaker 2>of how ed Edwards operates is he infiltrates folks lives

1071
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.639
<v Speaker 2>through faking to be a doctor of psychiatry, which the

1072
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 2>CIA gave him credentials for back in nineteen fifty five

1073
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and was reissued numerous times after prison stents. By the way, uh,

1074
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 2>doctor James Garfield Langley was his name, that was his credentials.

1075
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 2>He even got married under the name on the same

1076
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:47.920
<v Speaker 2>day he got married with the name d Edwards. That's

1077
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 2>weird because they're both those wives are filed in Idaho

1078
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, same judges and magistrates and same

1079
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 2>stamps too weird.

1080
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:57.880
<v Speaker 4>Do they just think of these nicknames on a whim

1081
00:49:58.119 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 4>or these su they're creative?

1082
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Right, doctor James James Garfield president and then Langley the

1083
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 2>headquarters of the CIA.

1084
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 4>Right, We'll never know what it really meant. Oh, I

1085
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.199
<v Speaker 4>never got together really and Cameron.

1086
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.320
<v Speaker 2>In Camera's book on Edwards, he does point out a

1087
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 2>number of cases where Edwards is caught framing people and

1088
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:21.880
<v Speaker 2>testifying or providing uh information to police as informants against

1089
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:25.039
<v Speaker 2>the murders he commits. So in these theories, if he

1090
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 2>was set up and he set up, Camera makes a

1091
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 2>very strong case for this one because it's the Ed's

1092
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 2>psychosis or psychopathy was diagnosed the age of thirteen, when

1093
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.519
<v Speaker 2>he was also diagnosed and given an IQ test of

1094
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.079
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty two. Psychopathy was rooted in this

1095
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he was creating a lover's lane situation

1096
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:46.320
<v Speaker 2>in the back of a car and a one night

1097
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:50.199
<v Speaker 2>stand and he and he attacked folks of infidelity and

1098
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.480
<v Speaker 2>set up cheating spouses, and he'd been caught doing this

1099
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 2>in the other cases by camera. So Camra, you know,

1100
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>draw some comparisons to this one and says this has

1101
00:50:57.760 --> 00:50:59.079
<v Speaker 2>got a lot of ED stuff on it. But again

1102
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it is it saying it adds network

1103
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:01.920
<v Speaker 2>at least, right.

1104
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.800
<v Speaker 4>So he's talking about Peterson when he says.

1105
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.119
<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, the key there is he would have inserted

1106
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 2>himself into Scott Peterson's life. Noticed Let's say, for example,

1107
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 2>he's Peterson's part of this cult network that AD's part of.

1108
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:15.920
<v Speaker 2>So that's how he initially gets even brought in to

1109
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.800
<v Speaker 2>even find a patsy to set up, find finds a

1110
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.119
<v Speaker 2>patsy that fits his omo, that's a cheating his spouse,

1111
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.199
<v Speaker 2>because it's easy then to blame that person first and

1112
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>foremost it fits Eds, you know, is you know, mental

1113
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking health issues by framing somebody of something he hates. Right,

1114
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:31.920
<v Speaker 2>So you know there's a lot to be said about

1115
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:33.519
<v Speaker 2>in those things. But let's say he isn't a cult Well,

1116
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 2>that's how Ed got ed or whoever set up Scott

1117
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Peterson got involved in it. Scott's Peterson's involved in this

1118
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:41.559
<v Speaker 2>drug distribution aspect of manufacturing.

1119
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, then it's not that big of a jump.

1120
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Don't think to assume he's in a sex cult when

1121
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.599
<v Speaker 2>he's got all these you know, female partners. We're processing

1122
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 2>cell situation, right.

1123
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.519
<v Speaker 1>So what's your opinion on Amber then, because you said

1124
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 1>as dancing in your brain hole on that.

1125
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I think she's a whore. I think she's a she's

1126
00:51:57.920 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Speaker 2>a dirty whore. And I think she was used for

1127
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 2>by the state for the state's ends. And I think

1128
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 2>most of what she said later was to fit their narrative.

1129
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.920
<v Speaker 2>And she did all these recordings with him after between

1130
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 2>December and April that she did all these recordings, and

1131
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, none of the ship even he says, seems

1132
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 2>indicat he was guilty of anything other than being a

1133
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, cheating spouse and a bitch Peterson.

1134
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 4>And a fucking processing and drug runner.

1135
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:23.639
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying.

1136
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a perfect He's a perfect Patsy. So you

1137
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.360
<v Speaker 2>know he's a dumb and depraved. We know those things, right,

1138
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.280
<v Speaker 2>He's not I mean, he's not intelligent and we know

1139
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>he's depraved. So's if it's the mold of somebody would

1140
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.320
<v Speaker 2>be involved in that. He's got a number of cheating

1141
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.679
<v Speaker 2>with a number of women, that that's another characteristic, then

1142
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.719
<v Speaker 2>we could throw in that bucket.

1143
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Seems to be involved in the meth production.

1144
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 2>That again, Charles Manson and the Hell's Angels were doing

1145
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Speaker 2>meth in Modesto fifty sixty years ago, right seven years

1146
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>ago now, so times haven't changed much. I think it

1147
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.480
<v Speaker 2>may still be the same network. And speaking of the

1148
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Idaho for the victim's family, Kaylee Gunzalvez, her father who

1149
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:02.880
<v Speaker 2>wears Hell's they do family photos with Hell's Angel stuff on,

1150
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and their family photos up there in Quardolen, Idaho, you know,

1151
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.159
<v Speaker 2>a few miles away from that Arian nation's compound. Tho'se Nazis,

1152
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, no big deal. Uh, They're from Methdesto and

1153
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.360
<v Speaker 2>his brother is a confirmed Nazi in prison for murder.

1154
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.079
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know that all of these things are

1155
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 2>all that disconnected.

1156
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.440
<v Speaker 5>Well, if I can just be honest with you, Amber

1157
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:30.840
<v Speaker 5>looks like I mean, Lacey was beautiful if she was

1158
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.280
<v Speaker 5>a real person. But they pull out these pictures of

1159
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.199
<v Speaker 5>Amber and then you see her and it's like, where

1160
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 5>the fuck did you get this one from? She looked

1161
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:42.440
<v Speaker 5>like she she had like bleached blonde hair, big blue eyes.

1162
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:44.800
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1163
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 3>She they may have found her in the valley doing

1164
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 3>porn with that twin raised lady.

1165
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, That's what I'm saying is she looked like a

1166
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 5>porn star, didn't.

1167
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 1>She like the girl next door? Now search know then

1168
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.079
<v Speaker 1>your porn searches the girl do in the trailer park?

1169
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:03.599
<v Speaker 4>What's that said?

1170
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:04.840
<v Speaker 3>The trailer park next door?

1171
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.840
<v Speaker 4>The girl in the next trailer Yeah, the.

1172
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 3>Double, the double? Why down the street? Say even in

1173
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:12.880
<v Speaker 3>the idea that this is a fictional event, I mean,

1174
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 3>how where else would you find a compromise individual to

1175
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.320
<v Speaker 3>play the part the porn industry? Great spot? You loving

1176
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.320
<v Speaker 3>to recruit somebody for that role. It's a great spot.

1177
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Speaker 5>She really does look like that though. And then her

1178
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.360
<v Speaker 5>attorney like I said, I'll represent.

1179
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:32.880
<v Speaker 4>You for free glow Jello. Why I didn't know that

1180
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:34.119
<v Speaker 4>was her? That's blowing my mind.

1181
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd like to look at a couple of clips

1182
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.039
<v Speaker 2>from Garry Gos, you know, the guy who represented Peterson,

1183
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.800
<v Speaker 2>who maintains innocence today and has made some comments recently

1184
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.440
<v Speaker 2>since Peterson's case has been picked up, uh by the

1185
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:52.559
<v Speaker 2>La Innocence Project, which is different than the original Innocence Project.

1186
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:56.519
<v Speaker 3>Get to this whole network. What's that, sir?

1187
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 4>I said? In the Innocence Project will be the very

1188
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:00.199
<v Speaker 4>first to tell you that's not us.

1189
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:02.239
<v Speaker 3>I know they do, right.

1190
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good thing to differentiate. So we

1191
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.159
<v Speaker 2>see the Innocence Projects born out of the Orenthal James

1192
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Simpson case and is not his dream team, his nightmare team.

1193
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 2>And we see a lot of bullshit around that connecting

1194
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.039
<v Speaker 2>to the Idaho four case too, just saying, but we

1195
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.519
<v Speaker 2>see this, this organization by his attorney, Barry Shrek, was

1196
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.679
<v Speaker 2>was created to suddenly use all this new fangled technologies

1197
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:27.199
<v Speaker 2>and forensic evidence in dnaight dexignery, folks. And when they've

1198
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 2>since nineteen ninety two or when they created themselves there

1199
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I think of exonerated less than two hundred people.

1200
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 5>This is from the OJ trial.

1201
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.039
<v Speaker 3>That's where I was born out of. Really, so Barry

1202
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:39.960
<v Speaker 3>Shrek started the project right before.

1203
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.480
<v Speaker 2>The Ornthal James Simpson case and then joined that team

1204
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:44.960
<v Speaker 2>and this was really propelled into the international fame of

1205
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:45.559
<v Speaker 2>this project.

1206
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 5>But the one that represents Scott indifferent.

1207
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's the La Innocence Projects, that's.

1208
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:53.679
<v Speaker 3>Correct, Yes, yep.

1209
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:58.760
<v Speaker 2>So this the original Innocence Project, took in twenty million

1210
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.039
<v Speaker 2>dollars in twenty twenty, and that's a lot of money

1211
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:03.719
<v Speaker 2>and the way they spent it's very interesting.

1212
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:05.199
<v Speaker 3>And uh.

1213
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:09.639
<v Speaker 1>No, you go ahead after we're done talking about the

1214
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Innocence Project and get back to the LA I'll make money.

1215
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just want to get it.

1216
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 2>I just want to get a quick I want to

1217
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:16.800
<v Speaker 2>make sure my numbers is correct because I haven't looked

1218
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 2>at h in a few years, but I feel like

1219
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:19.519
<v Speaker 2>a number of years ago they had like two hundred

1220
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.719
<v Speaker 2>and thirty eight total exoneration. So it's it's important to

1221
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>consider that because no one wants liability. The states don't

1222
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:27.599
<v Speaker 2>want liability.

1223
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Uh the I heard we go.

1224
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:31.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I was off by a factor of ten.

1225
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.920
<v Speaker 2>It's twenty nine and thirty nine convicted defendants who were

1226
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:39.639
<v Speaker 2>exonerated through DNA. So you know that's important to note though,

1227
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.239
<v Speaker 2>because what are they doing with all that money and

1228
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 2>no state?

1229
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:44.320
<v Speaker 3>No state?

1230
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.880
<v Speaker 2>So let's just say Scott Peterson did not do it.

1231
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Is again, as I started off this conversation, that's my position, Well,

1232
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 2>he would sue the State of California when main's dollars,

1233
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:54.760
<v Speaker 2>just like Steven Avery did right when he when he

1234
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.960
<v Speaker 2>did that in Wisconsin. So these ideas of the innocence

1235
00:56:58.000 --> 00:56:59.719
<v Speaker 2>projects are a fucking are part of the sy op

1236
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.559
<v Speaker 2>of mine opinion. There's no one trying to exonerate anybody.

1237
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's the same thing John Cameron argues about Ed

1238
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Edwards is that he was informed it was in an

1239
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.000
<v Speaker 2>FBI informant from nineteen fifty one, a CIA operator from

1240
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty five, and a domestic terror campaign operations of

1241
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Project Chaos like his friend Charles Manson, And so no

1242
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.119
<v Speaker 2>one's gonna say anything about the No one wants say

1243
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>anthing about Ed first and foremost, and secondly, no one

1244
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:23.239
<v Speaker 2>wants to attribute any murders to him because he's put

1245
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:27.280
<v Speaker 2>people in prison in those terror operations. People got executed

1246
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.519
<v Speaker 2>for murders they did not commit, just like Scott Peterson

1247
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:33.199
<v Speaker 2>could is in case the fact that he fits that

1248
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 2>same mold as I was saying before with Ed and

1249
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:39.320
<v Speaker 2>his network. So I'm just saying there there's no motivations

1250
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>to exonerate anybody or do any of these innosis projects.

1251
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of shocked that anyone took up Peterson's case.

1252
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, and you had to get into that he actually

1253
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.880
<v Speaker 1>reached out to them, and the story goes, and I

1254
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.639
<v Speaker 1>do believe the evidence that they're talking about right now

1255
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:57.239
<v Speaker 1>because I mentioned earlier JJ said there was ten witnesses

1256
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.920
<v Speaker 1>that saw the dog walk and one that stuck out

1257
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:01.119
<v Speaker 1>to me.

1258
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 4>I know about three of them. In particular.

1259
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.639
<v Speaker 1>One guy was gassing up his car, saw Lacey walking by,

1260
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.639
<v Speaker 1>described similar clothes to another guy that saw on the

1261
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:14.119
<v Speaker 1>same street. Remembers looking at the dog side note dog

1262
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:17.239
<v Speaker 1>star dogs come up way too fucking often in this

1263
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:22.840
<v Speaker 1>try no, but anyway, so they see her and then

1264
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 1>a woman I think this is the most damning evidence

1265
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 1>of all sees an orange van sees at the Medina

1266
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 1>household on the twenty fourth. This is her testimony. She

1267
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.559
<v Speaker 1>drives by real slow, she's old. She said she wouldn't

1268
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.239
<v Speaker 1>have looked twice, but there is two nefarious guys who

1269
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:44.320
<v Speaker 1>seemed to fit the description of these two that did

1270
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:48.199
<v Speaker 1>admit they robbed the home. So she says, as she

1271
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.079
<v Speaker 1>passes by, she looks and in her mirror she sees

1272
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:57.360
<v Speaker 1>a woman squatting down and urinating next to the van,

1273
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.840
<v Speaker 1>and then an arm reaches out and grabs her and

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00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:01.320
<v Speaker 1>pulls her in.

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00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Have you heard that's corrector if I may, that's a

1276
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:06.880
<v Speaker 2>brown van though, right, because that's part of the confusion

1277
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that's been going on.

1278
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 4>I've noticed in it was orange when I heard it.

1279
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think, well, I.

1280
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Think the orange van is the new piece of evidence

1281
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:15.480
<v Speaker 2>they've introduced to this and it's this project stuff that

1282
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.360
<v Speaker 2>the law enforcement never tested. And I got a clip

1283
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 2>on that. The van I think that was the connected

1284
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to the robbers was a tan or brown van. I'm

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00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 2>not mistaken, but that's I believe that's the one from

1286
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>You may be right, It may be in the orange

1287
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.079
<v Speaker 2>van this lady's seen today, but there was The police

1288
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:31.960
<v Speaker 2>initially claimed they had cleared the robbers, the burglars and

1289
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.239
<v Speaker 2>their van, but and there was a lot of confusion

1290
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that was then later made about that orange van.

1291
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.320
<v Speaker 3>No, you're right. So the state tried to conflate these

1292
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:41.639
<v Speaker 3>vans and they did a good job of it.

1293
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 4>So the states, the state said brown or tan.

1294
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:46.719
<v Speaker 2>No, there was two different vans, and they try to

1295
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:49.000
<v Speaker 2>make everyone believe that. Pay no attention to the orange

1296
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:49.840
<v Speaker 2>van with the blood in it.

1297
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:51.920
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, a bloody mattress.

1298
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 2>And I got a claim on that from the guy

1299
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.000
<v Speaker 2>who found it, from the firefighter who found it, So

1300
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:59.119
<v Speaker 2>I was wrong. There was actually twenty four sidings within

1301
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:00.960
<v Speaker 2>her normal one mile alreadies of her home, of her

1302
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:01.679
<v Speaker 2>dog walk.

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01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 4>There in court. Geregus, you fucking probably did not.

1304
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 5>This is the first time I'm hearing about twenty four sightings.

1305
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:13.760
<v Speaker 4>Me too, But the tree that I know about, Yeah, obviously.

1306
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.639
<v Speaker 2>They reported the proper, proper clothing she was last seeing

1307
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.400
<v Speaker 2>eating breakfast with that morning with Scott, and they reported

1308
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the dog and they'd seen her before this was her

1309
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:29.000
<v Speaker 2>normal route. So that's very interesting, right, we got all

1310
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.679
<v Speaker 2>these you know, you know again the state, I mean,

1311
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:33.800
<v Speaker 2>the state's timeline again has so many problems because they

1312
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 2>started arguing with timeline that they later changed throughout the

1313
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:37.880
<v Speaker 2>course of their even fucking trial.

1314
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Man, it's just so weird.

1315
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.360
<v Speaker 5>Well, uh, I just wanted to say something really quick

1316
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:48.559
<v Speaker 5>on Colby's point. Let's just say that this is all

1317
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:54.079
<v Speaker 5>fake and staged. Yeah, engaged, okay, but let's just say that, right,

1318
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:59.119
<v Speaker 5>and like the weirdness around, like where's the ultrasound pictures?

1319
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:03.280
<v Speaker 5>Why was why is there conflicting information about the tour

1320
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:06.239
<v Speaker 5>soo versus the all of it, Let's just say it's

1321
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:09.199
<v Speaker 5>all fake and that's why it doesn't make sense. And

1322
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:12.599
<v Speaker 5>you mentioned how often the dog comes up in this case.

1323
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:14.679
<v Speaker 5>Guess what the name Connor means?

1324
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.079
<v Speaker 4>What Irish dog?

1325
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:18.599
<v Speaker 5>Lover of hounds?

1326
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.159
<v Speaker 3>Come on, lover of hounds?

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01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.239
<v Speaker 4>All right, Julia, can I ask you at this point,

1328
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm dying to know. Are you still? Where are you at?

1329
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.519
<v Speaker 1>This is all theater, okay, but let's pretend. Let's pretend

1330
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 1>it's real.

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01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:33.360
<v Speaker 7>Though.

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01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:34.599
<v Speaker 4>Is he the killer?

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01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:35.679
<v Speaker 6>No?

1334
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.480
<v Speaker 4>I did it? JJ, We're not even done yet.

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01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Nice. Well, I'm I'm trying to think this is not

1336
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:44.840
<v Speaker 3>This may not be real because we were talking about

1337
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.159
<v Speaker 3>high profile celebrity attorneys. I mean, look at look, so

1338
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:50.639
<v Speaker 3>we got all right on one side, we got Gary

1339
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:53.199
<v Speaker 3>gos on the other. You know, he's he was already

1340
01:01:53.199 --> 01:02:00.639
<v Speaker 3>defending Michael Jackson before this trial, right, the Jackson attorney. Later,

1341
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:01.960
<v Speaker 3>I might I might have gotten those mistakes.

1342
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:02.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1343
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it was before. And Robert Downey Junior as well.

1344
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean this guy was right, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1345
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, when Robert Downey Junior woke up in his

1346
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.239
<v Speaker 2>neighbor's son's bed, Oh yeah, that's normal.

1347
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was the Now he's a vegan, fucking Tello

1348
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:16.639
<v Speaker 1>and also all how to live?

1349
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Fuck that guy?

1350
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Down Junior wakes up down down Malibu beach, and not

1351
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:23.400
<v Speaker 2>even his next door neighbor just down the beach neighbor's

1352
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:25.719
<v Speaker 2>bed of the like their twelve year old son, and

1353
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh, I thought this was my bed And

1354
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:28.679
<v Speaker 2>then go fuck yourself from.

1355
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:32.159
<v Speaker 5>When you said that thing about the dog Star.

1356
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.079
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, the Connor thing. I didn't even know about.

1357
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:36.320
<v Speaker 5>Lover of Hounds.

1358
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a wild dude. Well, I mean everyone, No,

1359
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:42.559
<v Speaker 3>that's a great All these all these ancient alien cargo

1360
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.360
<v Speaker 3>colt fuckers, they all love serious. So the dog Star.

1361
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:47.320
<v Speaker 3>So that's a it's an interesting point.

1362
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:48.840
<v Speaker 5>Fuck.

1363
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.760
<v Speaker 2>So here Garrett Goes is gonna tell us about this

1364
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:56.360
<v Speaker 2>new La Innocence project here and then he's gonna he's

1365
01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:58.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna go over some of the salient characteristics of why

1366
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the state uh, their their bullshit case and the evidence

1367
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:04.400
<v Speaker 2>that they didn't have against Peterson and the evidence and

1368
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:08.199
<v Speaker 2>is you know, the exculpatory evidence if you will, it's.

1369
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.440
<v Speaker 6>Important murder trial. Mark, thanks so much for being with us.

1370
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:14.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm way too fast. My apologies. I could probably play

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01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:16.119
<v Speaker 3>as in almost speed. I think on News Nation.

1372
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.800
<v Speaker 8>Probably Yeah, I think we're allowed to show the narrative

1373
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 8>to point out that I hope, so America that picked

1374
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:26.119
<v Speaker 8>up this case is a completely separate entity from the

1375
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:30.400
<v Speaker 8>storied reputable Innocence Project that we are, the storied reputable

1376
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:34.000
<v Speaker 8>innocence project in your mind and the strength of this fight.

1377
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.400
<v Speaker 7>No, not really. The Innocence Project that picked up this

1378
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:41.519
<v Speaker 7>case was formed a couple of years ago in Los

1379
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:45.280
<v Speaker 7>Angeles and has a somebody who used to be at

1380
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:49.599
<v Speaker 7>a project the Loyal Law School where I went deposit

1381
01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:52.280
<v Speaker 7>pears that they've been doing.

1382
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.199
<v Speaker 3>I was, I was just I got lost in the swite.

1383
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:57.519
<v Speaker 4>I interrupted you.

1384
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.079
<v Speaker 1>I interrupted you because this is allays right, just like

1385
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:02.280
<v Speaker 1>his fucking bookshelf.

1386
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:03.920
<v Speaker 4>What the fuck kind of bookshelf is that?

1387
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe, like you, No, I

1388
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:13.280
<v Speaker 2>mean again, dude, I don't have a lot of faith

1389
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.039
<v Speaker 2>in this dude's being a good attorney. Like I said,

1390
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:17.119
<v Speaker 2>you know the statement you make about he left a

1391
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:18.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of shit out by putting on a good show,

1392
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I would say that saying about Annan Sailor's.

1393
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:22.159
<v Speaker 1>All right if this is fake, I just want to say,

1394
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I said, he looked so much like Ben Affleck with

1395
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the gone girl thing. That could fucking be Ben Affleck

1396
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:30.000
<v Speaker 1>playing this role with the fucking little double Chin added

1397
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:30.880
<v Speaker 1>with some prosthetics.

1398
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean, honestly, I'd like to do an ear compared.

1399
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:35.960
<v Speaker 4>I like you, dude, because this could be Ted Bundy

1400
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Jack Nicholson style.

1401
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:37.320
<v Speaker 3>Shit.

1402
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 2>What you're saying is in this Gone Girl theory, sir,

1403
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 2>you're saying that the Gone Girl movie was depicting in

1404
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:45.480
<v Speaker 2>real life events and they're just kind of bragging about it,

1405
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:46.199
<v Speaker 2>not in.

1406
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:46.880
<v Speaker 4>A wink to it.

1407
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that circumstantially it's very similar the story. Like

1408
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you remember the scene where you're wondering if he what's

1409
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:55.760
<v Speaker 1>going on in his head and he's standing out in

1410
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:58.760
<v Speaker 1>his driveway at night. Then his fucking side bitch comes

1411
01:04:58.840 --> 01:04:59.320
<v Speaker 1>up and he's.

1412
01:04:59.239 --> 01:04:59.840
<v Speaker 4>Like, what are you doing?

1413
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:02.639
<v Speaker 1>You're supposed to think that fucker's guilty through the whole thing,

1414
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and then you find out the bitch isn't even dead

1415
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.000
<v Speaker 1>spoiler the movie.

1416
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.280
<v Speaker 3>My only question is where does Neil Patrick Harris playing

1417
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:09.480
<v Speaker 3>to this?

1418
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:12.159
<v Speaker 4>Okay? Was was he in that movie?

1419
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:15.599
<v Speaker 3>In that movie, sir, he was the one that got marked.

1420
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:20.119
<v Speaker 4>I forgot all about his role of that.

1421
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.119
<v Speaker 2>That is Rosamund Pike, that scandalous bitch, the one that

1422
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.480
<v Speaker 2>faked your death. So you're saying, Lacy Peterson fake your death,

1423
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:27.719
<v Speaker 2>is what you're saying in this theory.

1424
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:29.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying it's a nod in a wink.

1425
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:34.599
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm saying it could just be the the

1426
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:39.480
<v Speaker 1>dog whistle to say, look again at Scott Peterson, because.

1427
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Let's present a scenario then when they're both in the

1428
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.000
<v Speaker 2>colt and the somehow the cult is gonna frame him

1429
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:49.280
<v Speaker 2>because he you know, for whatever impetus behind that whatever.

1430
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And let me give you an example of another circumstances

1431
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:55.719
<v Speaker 2>that may have occurred. So the Fight Club author speaking

1432
01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of David Fincher right that he didn't didn't he did

1433
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 2>fight Club right? The author, Chuck Palainook's father was murdered

1434
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.800
<v Speaker 2>on May twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine in Ley Tall County, Idaho.

1435
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:09.880
<v Speaker 2>The woman he allegedly met on a classified out a

1436
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.280
<v Speaker 2>few months prior who was murdered with the murder. The

1437
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:17.079
<v Speaker 2>man in prison today is her ex husband, Dale Shackleford,

1438
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:19.639
<v Speaker 2>convicted child rapist. Before he even married that lady, she

1439
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:21.639
<v Speaker 2>was an attorney, met him in prison while he was

1440
01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:24.800
<v Speaker 2>on that rape charge. So hard man to defend, but

1441
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:27.360
<v Speaker 2>no evidence against Dale in any regards to the murders.

1442
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:31.119
<v Speaker 3>And furthermore, Dale and his wife seemed to be part

1443
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.880
<v Speaker 3>of this, speaking of meth trafficking.

1444
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:34.519
<v Speaker 9>He had a.

1445
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Convicted kid Titler opened up a trucking company with his

1446
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:44.599
<v Speaker 2>lawyer wife transporting chemicals from the ozarks of Missouri Common

1447
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Area Nations Hotspot to Idaho Common Area Nations Hotspot and

1448
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:51.559
<v Speaker 2>meth trafficking operations. And they all have sex cult stuff

1449
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:53.320
<v Speaker 2>going on around him. He's got like three or four

1450
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:55.480
<v Speaker 2>side pieces. When it comes to trial, they all testify

1451
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:59.559
<v Speaker 2>against him. The woman in the burnout cabin, the wood

1452
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Chuck Palace, Kanok's father, the two deceased in this. In

1453
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:05.199
<v Speaker 2>this matter, the alleged ex wife of Dale Shackle for

1454
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:09.679
<v Speaker 2>the kid diddling apparently met trafficker sex coultist Uh. She

1455
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:12.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a uterus or sorry disregard the body in

1456
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:14.320
<v Speaker 2>the war and the burn up cabin had a uterus,

1457
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the one that was there with Chuck Palinuk's dad Fred,

1458
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the alleged deceased woman had no uterus. So if these

1459
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:24.320
<v Speaker 2>are matters of a sex cult turning against the party

1460
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and framing stuff and currently have some operations, we see

1461
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:28.639
<v Speaker 2>more patterns of that across time and space in different

1462
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:29.840
<v Speaker 2>locations across the mayriorica.

1463
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.239
<v Speaker 4>This wondering uterus keeps coming out.

1464
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.159
<v Speaker 3>Right, the wandering uterus case, that's a good name for it.

1465
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Because I mean, that's a legitimate We did that insanity

1466
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:40.679
<v Speaker 1>or a mental illness series, and that was a real thing.

1467
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:44.079
<v Speaker 1>But that they were saying made women crazy. But they

1468
01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:46.079
<v Speaker 1>looked at it as like a little hound dog that

1469
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:48.239
<v Speaker 1>like to roam around in the woman and it would

1470
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 1>make her crazy.

1471
01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:51.199
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, what was that.

1472
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:55.039
<v Speaker 1>They back in the day, they would say that the

1473
01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:57.719
<v Speaker 1>woman had a wondering uterus. If it was too high,

1474
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.679
<v Speaker 1>you needed to entice it back down to the bulvar

1475
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:03.000
<v Speaker 1>aia with some smells, or if it was too.

1476
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:06.760
<v Speaker 4>Low and there was like a hound dog. They said,

1477
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.840
<v Speaker 4>it's like a hound dog like it was right, Yeah, exactly.

1478
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.360
<v Speaker 1>So to me, when you look at the tors so

1479
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.439
<v Speaker 1>that they found, they always say, all of our internal

1480
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:19.760
<v Speaker 1>organs are missing other than the uterus with lacy.

1481
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.560
<v Speaker 4>So the uterus just keeps coming back up in these things.

1482
01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.119
<v Speaker 3>That's very interesting. Often. I'm glad you pointed that out, sir.

1483
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:28.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go on a uterus hunt now not in

1484
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:29.039
<v Speaker 3>real life.

1485
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:33.800
<v Speaker 4>Well I knew you had to, dude.

1486
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:35.720
<v Speaker 2>I was utterly stunned when I read that stuff on

1487
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Dale Shackle for his case, his lawyers argued it in

1488
01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:41.119
<v Speaker 2>their trial. And you know what, the state, by all appearances,

1489
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:44.640
<v Speaker 2>there's no evidence of state ever disp I can find

1490
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:46.520
<v Speaker 2>no record of let's they just ignored it. They just

1491
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:51.119
<v Speaker 2>igport it. You know, so you know, maybe we might

1492
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:52.800
<v Speaker 2>be honest something there may be more importance. If you're

1493
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:55.199
<v Speaker 2>talking about the serious worship and some sort of connections

1494
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:57.199
<v Speaker 2>of the uterus. Well, we just identified two weird uterus

1495
01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:57.960
<v Speaker 2>cases here, didn't we.

1496
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:00.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's just.

1497
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:04.600
<v Speaker 5>Say that even if this story is fake, the way

1498
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:09.880
<v Speaker 5>that they talk about the discovery of the torso very

1499
01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:16.000
<v Speaker 5>significant in the district. Well, we found just the torso

1500
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:22.920
<v Speaker 5>and just the uterus. And then like Connor was found.

1501
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.239
<v Speaker 1>With the fucking string of twine tight around his neck,

1502
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:28.520
<v Speaker 1>not something the ocean would do.

1503
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:31.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there was a piece of tape on his

1504
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:33.159
<v Speaker 2>ear not accounted for. It reminds me of the John

1505
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Benney case where they have the twine and the and

1506
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.520
<v Speaker 2>the and the the Garrett that they've never really accounted for.

1507
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:41.560
<v Speaker 2>The stun gun stuff. Again, things that are not that

1508
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:47.399
<v Speaker 2>were not sourced from inside that home so and again

1509
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.800
<v Speaker 2>back to Ed Edwards. John Cameron claims ed was that

1510
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Santa Claus guy that that John Bane was telling everybody about,

1511
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and then he would have infiltrated the home on the

1512
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Christmas part of the day before all that cut out.

1513
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.640
<v Speaker 4>We did, so you'll probably get that recorded on your end.

1514
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I was just saying that John that Ed

1515
01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Edwards theory of John Cameron. He claims that that camera's

1516
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:12.279
<v Speaker 2>responsible for John Beaney's as well, and that Edwards was

1517
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.319
<v Speaker 2>the Santa Claus that John Bane was telling everyone about,

1518
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:17.319
<v Speaker 2>and that Edwards would have been the guy that called

1519
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:18.960
<v Speaker 2>them and won from the home Christmas party of the

1520
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:20.800
<v Speaker 2>day prior, just to test the response time.

1521
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:25.800
<v Speaker 5>Did you know that Hunter s Thompson wrote about the

1522
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:26.600
<v Speaker 5>Santa Claus?

1523
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 3>I didn't, John Banks, I did not know that. Actually, ma'am,

1524
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:36.039
<v Speaker 3>here's a process connection right there.

1525
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:38.439
<v Speaker 4>Right and we know where he was running around at

1526
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:38.800
<v Speaker 4>that time.

1527
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:41.720
<v Speaker 5>Hunter s Thompson knew the Santa Claus that John Bennet

1528
01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:42.800
<v Speaker 5>was talking about.

1529
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:43.960
<v Speaker 4>Or was the Santa Claus.

1530
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:47.119
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised at this point, and that guy

1531
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:48.600
<v Speaker 1>was a hero of mine at one point.

1532
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.039
<v Speaker 2>It's certainly, I mean, I like the idea It's certainly possible.

1533
01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:54.000
<v Speaker 2>It did look just like Santa Claus at that time. No,

1534
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I will note that white hair white.

1535
01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.520
<v Speaker 4>You're thinking Hunter was maybe running with Ed.

1536
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I think Ad again is the general of their handed

1537
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:03.479
<v Speaker 3>death team.

1538
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:07.199
<v Speaker 2>So if hunters up in the pornography It's snuff film department,

1539
01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:08.000
<v Speaker 2>then he's going to know that.

1540
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:10.520
<v Speaker 3>The guy in the head of the fucking you know,

1541
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:13.479
<v Speaker 3>I'll look at us the corporation. You know that. You know?

1542
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:16.439
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever seen the film No Country for Old Men? Oh?

1543
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.680
<v Speaker 4>Yes, you know how I want to watch that with

1544
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:20.720
<v Speaker 4>her at some point.

1545
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:22.439
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to invite you all for a future in

1546
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:24.199
<v Speaker 2>cult and est hotelic review on that film. I like

1547
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:26.279
<v Speaker 2>the book, Cormick McCarthy's book, but I like the film

1548
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:29.520
<v Speaker 2>as well, by the Coen Brothers. And you see in

1549
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.119
<v Speaker 2>that film what I'm describing here in this corporate network.

1550
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:33.039
<v Speaker 3>So you see.

1551
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Milton from Office Space, who lost the Staplers, operating as

1552
01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:41.319
<v Speaker 2>some sort of managerial position in Midland, Texas where the

1553
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:44.800
<v Speaker 2>bushes are from strangely right in a you know, and

1554
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:47.039
<v Speaker 2>when Midlands is a weird are you have nothing but

1555
01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:48.920
<v Speaker 2>west desert of Texas, And then you have like this

1556
01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:52.680
<v Speaker 2>small block of skyscrapers you see off from the distance

1557
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:53.359
<v Speaker 2>like a mirage.

1558
01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:55.760
<v Speaker 3>That's fucking Midland, you know, are in the Texas there.

1559
01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:59.039
<v Speaker 3>So that's what we see in the film The Yes, sir.

1560
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Did you do you think it was weird that Woody

1561
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Harrelson was literally playing his father.

1562
01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:04.640
<v Speaker 4>In that movie?

1563
01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's where I was my point, sir. So we

1564
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:08.880
<v Speaker 2>see what Harrelson playing a hitman within this network, right,

1565
01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:10.680
<v Speaker 2>which is again what his father did. And these people

1566
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.159
<v Speaker 2>were just telling us their tails, right, And his father

1567
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:15.880
<v Speaker 2>was in Texas in that era doing those things. He

1568
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:19.079
<v Speaker 2>actually shot, shoots, gets convicted for the murder of Judge

1569
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:21.439
<v Speaker 2>Roy Wood. I believe he's the second federal judge ever

1570
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:25.439
<v Speaker 2>ever sitting judge, federal sitting judge ever murdered, ever murked

1571
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:30.039
<v Speaker 2>in America. So he does that for the Naxkin drug cartel.

1572
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:33.960
<v Speaker 2>So we see him working within this same network already

1573
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:35.279
<v Speaker 2>that we see it depicting in that film. I don't

1574
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:36.760
<v Speaker 2>think it's my I like what your brain holds that, sir.

1575
01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's many consequences we see that, But.

1576
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.960
<v Speaker 1>No, I got another one for you too. There's some

1577
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:44.560
<v Speaker 1>monarch shit going on in that movie. Tommy Lee Jones

1578
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:45.479
<v Speaker 1>is the fucking.

1579
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.479
<v Speaker 4>Bad guy in that movie. Oh shit, dude, do you

1580
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:50.039
<v Speaker 4>ever see it like recently?

1581
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:53.479
<v Speaker 3>Do you remember right now? I remember I've seen that

1582
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:54.560
<v Speaker 3>film a hundred of times.

1583
01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember when he's sitting in the TV and

1584
01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:02.680
<v Speaker 1>he grabs the milk and then there's the scene at

1585
01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:06.039
<v Speaker 1>the end where an what's his name, Anton or I

1586
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:06.840
<v Speaker 1>don't remember.

1587
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:10.840
<v Speaker 3>The Anton Antony? It is anton is you know?

1588
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:16.079
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, So anyway, he goes up to the wife

1589
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:18.560
<v Speaker 4>at the end of the movie. She knows who he is.

1590
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.279
<v Speaker 1>She's seen him before, she and she knows she's gonna die.

1591
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:25.159
<v Speaker 1>She has seen right, dude, that's right, that's right, Dan,

1592
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And I mean watch it again with that Steven says.

1593
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:30.319
<v Speaker 3>Are you the devil? Or are you dead? Something something

1594
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:30.880
<v Speaker 3>in that regard.

1595
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:35.600
<v Speaker 5>I want to watch that clip though that.

1596
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll bring it right up. So in regards to them,

1597
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:40.239
<v Speaker 2>now we're going to get too far off either. So

1598
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.119
<v Speaker 2>we see what Harrelson and retired US Army colonel goes

1599
01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.079
<v Speaker 2>to this meeting with Milton from office space in this

1600
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Midland office building in Texas to describe recouping the drug money.

1601
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:52.039
<v Speaker 2>He's one of their guys and fills a role within

1602
01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:55.279
<v Speaker 2>this network. So he knows Anton, the other hit man guy, right,

1603
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:57.359
<v Speaker 2>and they know the people that are in the distribution network,

1604
01:13:57.520 --> 01:13:59.640
<v Speaker 2>but they don't know that, you know, it's compartmentalized. They

1605
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.119
<v Speaker 2>just know of these people in certain respects. So I

1606
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:04.159
<v Speaker 2>assert that's how that operates in the real world. And

1607
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:06.079
<v Speaker 2>they're just bragging about it by putting Mordy Harrelson in

1608
01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:08.159
<v Speaker 2>there because that's what his dad did. His dad wasn't

1609
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:10.479
<v Speaker 2>forming an armory colonel, but nonetheless that was the role

1610
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:12.840
<v Speaker 2>he played in Texas at that time for those people.

1611
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:16.279
<v Speaker 2>So we see this being operating a corporate capacity. I

1612
01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:18.479
<v Speaker 2>would say again, we see a uh, you have a

1613
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:22.600
<v Speaker 2>logistics distribution channels. You have your distribution you know, department

1614
01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.319
<v Speaker 2>of your logistics kind of supply department when Peterson would

1615
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:27.800
<v Speaker 2>fall in. You know, you have other departments where folks

1616
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:29.319
<v Speaker 2>may know of each other, you know, so you may

1617
01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:31.479
<v Speaker 2>have like a your top guy, like a Hunter s.

1618
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Thompson may know an ed in that nowork right because

1619
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:35.600
<v Speaker 2>of their you know, they're up in the upper echelont

1620
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:39.239
<v Speaker 2>of this corporation. Yeah, they've been there for a long time.

1621
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:41.359
<v Speaker 2>They've crossed pass over the decadeses kind of deal, right,

1622
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:43.399
<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of way I look at it.

1623
01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:44.359
<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

1624
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:49.880
<v Speaker 2>So Gary Goes brings up some interesting points here about

1625
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:54.520
<v Speaker 2>the case against and lack thereof against Peterson. So I

1626
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:56.279
<v Speaker 2>think the next one is at two minutes here, I'll

1627
01:14:56.479 --> 01:15:08.479
<v Speaker 2>fast forward to Maybe there we go an unpopular belief

1628
01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:08.800
<v Speaker 2>to have.

1629
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:13.279
<v Speaker 7>I mean, if you go through the so called evidence

1630
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.600
<v Speaker 7>in the case, I could debunk virtually every single thing.

1631
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.960
<v Speaker 7>But people have, or a lot of people have a

1632
01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:24.680
<v Speaker 7>visceral reaction to this case that was not correspond to

1633
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:25.239
<v Speaker 7>the evidence.

1634
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, this was one of those infamous cases that the

1635
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:31.600
<v Speaker 6>whole country followed. Speaking of the evidence, you know, I

1636
01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:34.479
<v Speaker 6>had a viewer right to me that it seems a

1637
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:38.520
<v Speaker 6>lot of this hinges on the Medina burglary that happened,

1638
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:40.520
<v Speaker 6>as well as the fact that police quote failed to

1639
01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:45.479
<v Speaker 6>investigate exculpatory evidence, but more police did verify the statements

1640
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.920
<v Speaker 6>and alibis of those burglars. If there was police misconduct

1641
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:52.560
<v Speaker 6>anywhere in this case, in a case of this magnitude,

1642
01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:55.319
<v Speaker 6>why would that not have been discovered the first time around?

1643
01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, it actually was the first time.

1644
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:05.000
<v Speaker 7>The officers were trying to say that the burglary took

1645
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:10.800
<v Speaker 7>place on the twenty six. Well, by the twenty six,

1646
01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:15.680
<v Speaker 7>as you subsequently would know, most of the news media

1647
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.720
<v Speaker 7>was already camped out on that street.

1648
01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:21.079
<v Speaker 3>You pointed that out earlier, sir. That was a very

1649
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:23.920
<v Speaker 3>salient characteristic of the bullshit that went on in this case.

1650
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's one of those big things that can't be overlooked.

1651
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:30.159
<v Speaker 1>They needed to get their story straight and they fucked up.

1652
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like you'd think they would do that during

1653
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:34.560
<v Speaker 2>their investigation before he goes to trial.

1654
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean to me, when you're like in the middle

1655
01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:40.239
<v Speaker 1>of a frame up in real time, you're going to

1656
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:43.520
<v Speaker 1>slip up sometimes, and when you get dates and shit

1657
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:46.840
<v Speaker 1>wrong like that. The way they tried to reach like

1658
01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:50.760
<v Speaker 1>go back and you know, set it straight, it just

1659
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:53.399
<v Speaker 1>made it even look more suspicious in my opinion.

1660
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:56.399
<v Speaker 3>That's a fair point. I got let this guy out.

1661
01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:57.359
<v Speaker 3>I'll give you one second.

1662
01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:01.359
<v Speaker 5>I actually have a question about this right now. So

1663
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.279
<v Speaker 5>when are you guys, When are you guys thinking that

1664
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:07.159
<v Speaker 5>the burglary happened in the twenty.

1665
01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:10.600
<v Speaker 4>Fourth, whatever day Lacey died or got nabbed.

1666
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it happened after one o'clock on the twenty fourth,

1667
01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:15.640
<v Speaker 2>when they had them internet searches.

1668
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:18.600
<v Speaker 1>That Okay, that old woman just claims it was Christmas

1669
01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Eve when she saw the nefarious action going around that.

1670
01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was numerous corresponding accounts that seemed to indicate

1671
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:26.520
<v Speaker 2>that was in fact when it occurred.

1672
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:30.159
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so you're.

1673
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Believe because again there's so much Again, there's so much

1674
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.279
<v Speaker 2>narrative that was spun here and the facts from fiction,

1675
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:37.119
<v Speaker 2>it's tough to discern.

1676
01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:38.439
<v Speaker 3>Much like the Idaho four case.

1677
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again the exculpatory evidence they did, they didn't

1678
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:43.000
<v Speaker 2>test shit and stuff like that.

1679
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Same as Idaho four.

1680
01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:47.279
<v Speaker 2>There's blood on that famous knife sheet every one talks

1681
01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:51.279
<v Speaker 2>about with a touch DNA that actually had blood blood

1682
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:54.079
<v Speaker 2>on it from other males that was never tested, so unidentified.

1683
01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Not Coburger's blood, so not the victim's blood. So again

1684
01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:01.000
<v Speaker 2>we see the same malfeasans by authorities. I think, because

1685
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Garry Goes explains, while.

1686
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:06.840
<v Speaker 7>An entire media scrum was out there in the middle

1687
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.960
<v Speaker 7>of the street, this burglary took place number one. Number two.

1688
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:12.800
<v Speaker 7>The other thing that has always rked me the day

1689
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:18.680
<v Speaker 7>the jury convicted Scott. The prosecution handed me discovery on

1690
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:21.960
<v Speaker 7>that very day that he was convicted.

1691
01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:25.399
<v Speaker 3>Where again i'da heard did the same thing to Brian Coberger.

1692
01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:30.079
<v Speaker 7>A lieutenant at the Chino Prison, had intercepted a call

1693
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:33.880
<v Speaker 7>from an inmate to one of the burglars who were

1694
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:37.920
<v Speaker 7>talking about Lacy Peterson and confronting her during the burglary.

1695
01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:42.359
<v Speaker 7>That tape went missing and they never disclosed that until

1696
01:18:42.439 --> 01:18:43.479
<v Speaker 7>the day of his conviction.

1697
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Kobe respond with your assessment has the very sounding

1698
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:54.399
<v Speaker 2>characteristics in the innocence of the fact that Scott Peterson

1699
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:57.159
<v Speaker 2>did not do it, and the malfeasans of law enforcement.

1700
01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:59.600
<v Speaker 2>The how do you get a recording from these burglars

1701
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.039
<v Speaker 2>which they shit coat the timelines and narratives around these

1702
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:04.159
<v Speaker 2>burglers in the event, you know what I mean, they

1703
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:06.000
<v Speaker 2>move all these timelines and then you later have a

1704
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:08.279
<v Speaker 2>tape that gets disclosed to the defense after he signs

1705
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it guilty pleae, but the tape's actually lost.

1706
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:16.359
<v Speaker 5>I don't understand what the significance is of that woman

1707
01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:18.399
<v Speaker 5>saying Lacey squatted down to pee.

1708
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:22.039
<v Speaker 4>She's probably eight and a half months pregnant and neats

1709
01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:24.079
<v Speaker 4>to pee and begs the guys to let her pee,

1710
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:25.960
<v Speaker 4>and they make her do it right on the ground.

1711
01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:26.600
<v Speaker 4>They don't want her to go.

1712
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:28.800
<v Speaker 1>She's probably trying to buy time, get back in the house,

1713
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:30.520
<v Speaker 1>try to get away or something, and they make her

1714
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:32.960
<v Speaker 1>do it right there. She gets spotted by the old

1715
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.439
<v Speaker 1>bitch and then they just yanker in the van, probably midstream.

1716
01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:38.520
<v Speaker 3>It's certainly a plausible scenario.

1717
01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:40.199
<v Speaker 4>And there's a mattress in there.

1718
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:42.840
<v Speaker 3>You'll see they keep inflating these vans.

1719
01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.000
<v Speaker 2>We'll see in the next clip after Garagris the intentional

1720
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.359
<v Speaker 2>conflation of these vans, which makes me, it seems to

1721
01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:50.119
<v Speaker 2>me indicates there's a lot more to both of those vans,

1722
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:55.520
<v Speaker 2>because let's just say, maybe both fans were involved.

1723
01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they was a you know, they switch vehicles to

1724
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:00.520
<v Speaker 3>some point. We've seen that in Afflack movie. He's the town.

1725
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.680
<v Speaker 2>They do that in the town with Afflack. We're basing

1726
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:05.600
<v Speaker 2>these theories off of Afflac films. I'm just saying, there

1727
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:05.800
<v Speaker 2>we go.

1728
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:15.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I hear you. What we got up next?

1729
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Shoot, my bad, I didn't say this. I thought

1730
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.239
<v Speaker 3>I was dude. I'm new, I don't know what to do.

1731
01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:25.560
<v Speaker 3>I hit played dude, I'm stupid, dude. Reason I like

1732
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:26.399
<v Speaker 3>what Sharry and I hit.

1733
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:28.279
<v Speaker 2>I was just watching Garret Griss myself. I didn't want

1734
01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you guys to join me. That's one of me and

1735
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Gary Griss myself.

1736
01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:34.159
<v Speaker 8>I'm curious.

1737
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:38.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm curious as an everyday American, who.

1738
01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Can y'all see that in here that.

1739
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:47.159
<v Speaker 7>He was where a lieutenant at the prison had intercepted

1740
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:50.920
<v Speaker 7>a call from an inmate to one of the burglars

1741
01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:54.680
<v Speaker 7>who were talking about Lacy Peterson and confronting her during

1742
01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:59.279
<v Speaker 7>the burglary. That tape went missing, and they never disclosed

1743
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:00.880
<v Speaker 7>that until they of this conviction.

1744
01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:05.319
<v Speaker 6>And I'm assuming have you talked to the La Innocence Project.

1745
01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:09.079
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm curious because I'm curious just as an

1746
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:11.920
<v Speaker 6>everyday American who followed this case. I mean, in their

1747
01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:14.359
<v Speaker 6>eyes and you who just said I knew the evidence

1748
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:16.880
<v Speaker 6>better than anybody else, what's the smoking gun here?

1749
01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:19.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? What's the smoking I was waiting for guns?

1750
01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:22.279
<v Speaker 6>It was possibly exoneration in the future. I mean, what's

1751
01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:24.439
<v Speaker 6>going to have to come forward for a new trial

1752
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:26.920
<v Speaker 6>to actually come to fruition for Scott Peterson.

1753
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.039
<v Speaker 7>Well, I don't know that I would be in a

1754
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:35.079
<v Speaker 7>position to characterize what they think. I have always thought

1755
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:39.880
<v Speaker 7>that the fact the complete collapse of any kind of

1756
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:45.720
<v Speaker 7>forensic evidence tying Scott to a crime. Remember that house

1757
01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:50.439
<v Speaker 7>and that bay were probably the most searched and forensically

1758
01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:55.800
<v Speaker 7>tested two areas at the time. There was nothing, So

1759
01:21:56.279 --> 01:21:56.920
<v Speaker 7>I think it makes it.

1760
01:21:57.319 --> 01:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>That's one of my biggest points right there are like

1761
01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:00.680
<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest tagaways I have is when they

1762
01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:03.760
<v Speaker 2>do all this massive searching, you know, the amount of

1763
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:06.079
<v Speaker 2>evidence they find. They like, we found like this, you know,

1764
01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:08.840
<v Speaker 2>some of Lacey's blood or a hair on a boat

1765
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, like one strand of hair, Like

1766
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:13.399
<v Speaker 2>even if it was they're not planted, Like, it's not

1767
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:17.039
<v Speaker 2>unreasonable to believe that these married partners would exchange such

1768
01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:19.479
<v Speaker 2>things as transporting a hair onto something, you know, another

1769
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:22.760
<v Speaker 2>vehicle they go into. Again, it's not evidence of a crime,

1770
01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:24.319
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, They're not evidence of this

1771
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:27.399
<v Speaker 2>is we found the murder weapon, he took it, did

1772
01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:29.039
<v Speaker 2>this on this date, and did these things. And then

1773
01:22:29.079 --> 01:22:30.760
<v Speaker 2>when they try to paint those narratives, they have again,

1774
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:33.439
<v Speaker 2>as we've already pointed out, changed their own their own

1775
01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:34.319
<v Speaker 2>theories mid trial.

1776
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Well what do you what do you think about gergis Like,

1777
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think how can you sit here and say

1778
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:50.479
<v Speaker 1>this the discovery process, Sure, but once new evidence comes

1779
01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to light and he waits until now to like, I mean,

1780
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:57.520
<v Speaker 1>he's basically admitting that this did come out in time.

1781
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but let's imagine this scenario of it's all, even

1782
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:02.720
<v Speaker 2>if it's a real ven or not, there's still psychological

1783
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:05.079
<v Speaker 2>operations and a magic show around it to distract folks

1784
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.239
<v Speaker 2>attention from the real reality of the situation. So let's

1785
01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:10.359
<v Speaker 2>assume that unless he's playing a great role, right, he

1786
01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>does his job well, he goes like this, my work

1787
01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:14.279
<v Speaker 2>here is done.

1788
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:20.680
<v Speaker 5>So you think that he's in on it. You think

1789
01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:23.840
<v Speaker 5>that he's in on getting Scott falsely convicted.

1790
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:26.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think he was part of the real roading

1791
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:27.520
<v Speaker 4>for sure.

1792
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:33.000
<v Speaker 3>And then another thing, as I call a nightmare team

1793
01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:35.319
<v Speaker 3>of Orenthal, James Simpson the only person that cared about

1794
01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:38.159
<v Speaker 3>Orentthel Jamesimpson. There was Pal Kardash and everyone else that

1795
01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:40.439
<v Speaker 3>was part of the railroad, part of the magic show.

1796
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:45.039
<v Speaker 1>But he was only given a million dollars to do

1797
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.119
<v Speaker 1>this case. That might sound like a lot of money,

1798
01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:51.600
<v Speaker 1>but people that have looked into these murders and like

1799
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:55.760
<v Speaker 1>how the court stuff works, that's nothing. He should have

1800
01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:57.640
<v Speaker 1>gotten way more for this if this was legit.

1801
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he you know, he's you know, what's he

1802
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:02.920
<v Speaker 3>done for him?

1803
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Since again, you know, I'm not don't want to speak

1804
01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:07.399
<v Speaker 2>for John Cameron, but to my understanding from statements i've

1805
01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:10.479
<v Speaker 2>heard him making previous shows years ago, the detective, the

1806
01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Edwards Detective. That is, he's reached out to reach out

1807
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to all these guys like Garrick Gers and got no response.

1808
01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:16.840
<v Speaker 3>So that's to say something too.

1809
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:22.239
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that. Oh yeah, he's keeping the show going,

1810
01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:23.119
<v Speaker 4>that's for sure.

1811
01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:27.720
<v Speaker 3>Yep, he's got some more. He's got some more statements

1812
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:29.760
<v Speaker 3>to make them that they have recovered.

1813
01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:31.920
<v Speaker 7>They believe they'll do some testing there and they have

1814
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:36.000
<v Speaker 7>to in reading the motion some other pieces of evidence

1815
01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:37.359
<v Speaker 7>that there appears.

1816
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Now he says he's reading the motions. He's not involved

1817
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:42.279
<v Speaker 2>in this case. He's simply read that Innocence project. Finally,

1818
01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and I've read the same thing, and again, this is

1819
01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:46.319
<v Speaker 2>the new Van, this is not the old Van, and

1820
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:46.680
<v Speaker 2>we'll get it.

1821
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:48.800
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't really, he doesn't really point that out here.

1822
01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:53.600
<v Speaker 7>Twenty years later, to be techniques that can be utilized

1823
01:24:53.680 --> 01:25:00.239
<v Speaker 7>that will potentially point to a complete exoneration. I will

1824
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:02.520
<v Speaker 7>say it again, and I know I've said it already

1825
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:04.840
<v Speaker 7>in this brief time I've had it with you. There

1826
01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:08.880
<v Speaker 7>is has never been any evidence as to how he

1827
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:11.960
<v Speaker 7>did this, where he did this, or when he did this, remember,

1828
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:12.359
<v Speaker 7>wasn't it?

1829
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.319
<v Speaker 2>And that was the point I was making earlier there was,

1830
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:19.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, standard investigation, you have to establish next this

1831
01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:21.880
<v Speaker 2>point of your suspect, who committed this crime, the victim

1832
01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:24.000
<v Speaker 2>of the crime, and the scene of that crime. And

1833
01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:25.920
<v Speaker 2>they did none of it. And they also did none

1834
01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:29.760
<v Speaker 2>of that night I who four. In fact, they've they've

1835
01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.079
<v Speaker 2>come out since the guilty plea there and said, oh,

1836
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.439
<v Speaker 2>we can't even put him in the house. The cell

1837
01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:36.319
<v Speaker 2>phone tower shit was garbage. We don't know that he

1838
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.359
<v Speaker 2>was stalking him. It's all fucking nonsense. And it's the

1839
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:45.039
<v Speaker 2>same sort of you know playbook. Yeah, drugs has something

1840
01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.039
<v Speaker 2>to do with that. Theek them, Greek students on them

1841
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to universities up There have been long standing drug distribution

1842
01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:53.079
<v Speaker 2>networks and a lot of Mexican cartel activity along with

1843
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Arian Nations style drug trafficking. So when you mentioned those

1844
01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:58.399
<v Speaker 2>white nationalists earlier there, I was like, yeah, that sounds

1845
01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:00.479
<v Speaker 2>about right with these with these patterns behavior.

1846
01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, are you familiar with the incident I'm talking about

1847
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:07.239
<v Speaker 1>that came forward where he apparently was, you know, one

1848
01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:09.600
<v Speaker 1>of his trips to Fresno. He was in a titty

1849
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:14.279
<v Speaker 1>bar and two neo Nazi guys came forward and said

1850
01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:17.880
<v Speaker 1>that he approached them after he saw their tattoos and whatnot,

1851
01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:18.479
<v Speaker 1>and he said.

1852
01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:22.399
<v Speaker 4>How do you guys get rid of bodies? How do

1853
01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:23.520
<v Speaker 4>you transport them?

1854
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:26.640
<v Speaker 1>So these two neo Nazi guys stepped forward saying that,

1855
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:31.439
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's part of the railroading. They were

1856
01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:34.479
<v Speaker 1>trying to like add to his fucking case or the

1857
01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>case against him.

1858
01:26:36.039 --> 01:26:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, there you go.

1859
01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:39.720
<v Speaker 2>What better way to use compromise folks within your network

1860
01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.439
<v Speaker 2>to then stir this whole shit storm and send in

1861
01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:47.840
<v Speaker 2>a direction, the false direction of framing, framing up Scott Peterson.

1862
01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:50.319
<v Speaker 4>The same guys that knew he was dumping fucking.

1863
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:56.520
<v Speaker 2>For example, for example, in the Oriental James Simpson case,

1864
01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:59.399
<v Speaker 2>two of the witnesses besides Bill Colby, not you, not

1865
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Bill Coleby. Besides Bill Colby's son Carl Colby with primary witness,

1866
01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:06.039
<v Speaker 2>chief witness for the state against Orenttheal James Simpson, they

1867
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:10.119
<v Speaker 2>used Denise Brown, who was dating a confirmed mafia made

1868
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:13.479
<v Speaker 2>man hit Man confirmed Kills had done time before then,

1869
01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:17.439
<v Speaker 2>and he testified as well. So you have compromised parties

1870
01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>testifying the frame these passies. That's what I would would

1871
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:25.439
<v Speaker 2>have hurt there. Yeah, so this is the dude that

1872
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:28.199
<v Speaker 2>finds the other vans. So let's it's interesting news.

1873
01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:31.319
<v Speaker 4>Names, isn't it with News Nation over this ship.

1874
01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Four two man fur Yep, yep.

1875
01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:39.279
<v Speaker 2>They're not the ones creating the propaganda, the ones disseminating

1876
01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:42.520
<v Speaker 2>in the propaganda though. It's our Howard Bloom who's working

1877
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:46.039
<v Speaker 2>for Cocaine. Bob Evans, Buddy Grayton Carter had a Vandy

1878
01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Fair who employs Howard Bloom, who then they everyone repeats

1879
01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Howard Bloom, but they're the ones who do.

1880
01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:51.960
<v Speaker 3>They're the main mouthpiece.

1881
01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:53.039
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know.

1882
01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:57.319
<v Speaker 3>Actually, Banfield, who made her name in the Vegas kidnapping

1883
01:27:57.359 --> 01:27:59.479
<v Speaker 3>case of Orenthal James Simpson. Why is always going back

1884
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:00.840
<v Speaker 3>to the same new work with these fuckers.

1885
01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:07.000
<v Speaker 4>That's when he went in armed to get some memorabilia back.

1886
01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was definitely set up for that too. Yeah,

1887
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:12.159
<v Speaker 3>right man, that Orangeal James Sims.

1888
01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:14.239
<v Speaker 1>What was the kidnapping thing you're talking about? That's those

1889
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:15.199
<v Speaker 1>are two different.

1890
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.000
<v Speaker 3>That was it that was it an armed robbery? Kidnapping

1891
01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:19.399
<v Speaker 3>when you when you told me they can't leave, it's

1892
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:20.600
<v Speaker 3>kidnapping and state Nevada.

1893
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:24.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he did false imprisonment or whatever to get his back.

1894
01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:26.079
<v Speaker 2>That may have been a falseom prison in charge kind

1895
01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:30.560
<v Speaker 2>of memorabilia. So it is interesting though the people who

1896
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:33.199
<v Speaker 2>perpetrate in controls. There is a news nation, as you

1897
01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:35.560
<v Speaker 2>point out, sir, is uh, certainly at the forefront.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's interesting, Chris Cuomo, right.

1899
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I didn't know who was behind the news Nation.

1900
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:43.359
<v Speaker 1>I've never really looked into them.

1901
01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:45.520
<v Speaker 3>But that's al it's interesting. I think it's the now

1902
01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:46.960
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned. I think it was the Tribune.

1903
01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly, the Tribune Media Corporation w used to

1904
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:54.119
<v Speaker 2>be w g N out of Chicago. They became I

1905
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>believe they got rebranded, you know what I mean. But again,

1906
01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.079
<v Speaker 2>this is this is so, this is incidental reporting. No

1907
01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:03.199
<v Speaker 2>one cares about this case, I assure you. And again

1908
01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:06.199
<v Speaker 2>John Camer's made those statements on his instancesn't trying to,

1909
01:29:06.520 --> 01:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, bring justice to some of these matters. Even

1910
01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:11.800
<v Speaker 2>if he is wrong. Clearly he's onto something. Peterson did

1911
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>not do it. But you know, it's interesting, even though

1912
01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:19.479
<v Speaker 2>they're doing this incidental reporting, there's this ongoing shit coding

1913
01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:21.840
<v Speaker 2>between these two vans, the robbery van in which was

1914
01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a brown or tan one, and then this orange one.

1915
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:26.479
<v Speaker 3>And we see this orange ones that the centerpiece.

1916
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:28.359
<v Speaker 2>As Gary go has mentioned in that filing by the

1917
01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:33.439
<v Speaker 2>La Innocence Project, maybe there was.

1918
01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:37.680
<v Speaker 9>A van okay, an orange van there. It is was

1919
01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:42.319
<v Speaker 9>found a mile from Peterson's home. It was found by

1920
01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:48.800
<v Speaker 9>a Modesto fire inspector a day after Lacy Peterson went missing.

1921
01:29:49.239 --> 01:29:52.760
<v Speaker 9>So what Well, inside the van there was a mattress.

1922
01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:57.680
<v Speaker 9>On the mattress was a blood stain. The inspector says

1923
01:29:57.920 --> 01:29:59.680
<v Speaker 9>it was human blood.

1924
01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:01.319
<v Speaker 3>Here's what he told g m A.

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01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:05.600
<v Speaker 7>I don't know that I was tying the moment to Lacey.

1926
01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:09.560
<v Speaker 7>I was more tying the moment that it was human blood.

1927
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:12.760
<v Speaker 7>It made it like this was much more important than.

1928
01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Just I'm gonna go ahead and say that was a

1929
01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>comment that he was told to make, and that he

1930
01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:20.279
<v Speaker 2>was told you. You better not telling you to connect

1931
01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:24.760
<v Speaker 2>to this to Lacey from David Backley. You better tell

1932
01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:25.720
<v Speaker 2>him you didn't connect this from you.

1933
01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>It would literally for any retard, and let alone a

1934
01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:31.039
<v Speaker 1>guy who's what is he a fire what inspector or something?

1935
01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Fire chief?

1936
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:33.319
<v Speaker 4>Oh, he's a chief.

1937
01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1938
01:30:33.720 --> 01:30:36.000
<v Speaker 4>They hire retards to be the exactly.

1939
01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he goes the most.

1940
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:39.439
<v Speaker 2>He goes the most because a lot of times they

1941
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>are the incident commander on scenes, right when they go

1942
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:44.319
<v Speaker 2>to a mass casualty event or or a homicide that

1943
01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>they're the ones that are calling the corners. The police

1944
01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:48.479
<v Speaker 2>are oftentimes are not the ones. You can't do anything

1945
01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>yet it's all medical focus at first. Right, So as

1946
01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>a result of fire chiefs were the onsecene commanders until

1947
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:55.600
<v Speaker 2>like a police a police chief shows up for like

1948
01:30:55.600 --> 01:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>a police captain. So this dude's Gondam, it's Matt Desktoh,

1949
01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:02.560
<v Speaker 2>it's not his first homicide scene, and he's not the

1950
01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:04.159
<v Speaker 2>first time he's seen bloody because he's like, oh, that's

1951
01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:05.039
<v Speaker 2>definitely human blood.

1952
01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:05.840
<v Speaker 3>I can smell it.

1953
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I can tell the very specific tents of zinc in

1954
01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:09.239
<v Speaker 2>that blood, you know what I mean, Like, this dude

1955
01:31:09.319 --> 01:31:10.119
<v Speaker 2>seen blood before.

1956
01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:15.319
<v Speaker 5>Right, So they found it because it was all burnt up.

1957
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, somebody drove it a mile away from the house,

1958
01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:19.479
<v Speaker 1>set it on fire, presumably.

1959
01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't find until after it had been basically

1960
01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:26.119
<v Speaker 2>been extinguished. But again they didn't get rid of the evidence.

1961
01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:27.680
<v Speaker 2>You know what, Ed didn't get rid of evidence in

1962
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:30.359
<v Speaker 2>numerous arsens that he committed. That's why he went to

1963
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>jail when he when he attempted to burn a Marietta

1964
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Police Department sergeant's uniform from Marietta, Georgia, back in nineteen

1965
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:41.239
<v Speaker 2>eighty two, where it seems that Ed had infiltrated the

1966
01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta Child Killing Task Force faking to be a MARIAD.

1967
01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>A police sergeant tried to burn up that uniform in

1968
01:31:46.920 --> 01:31:50.159
<v Speaker 2>a Pennsylvania home, didn't work and got arrested by the

1969
01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:52.560
<v Speaker 2>FEDS for arson. They found the uniform in the closet.

1970
01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:57.399
<v Speaker 5>So on December twenty fourth, she goes for a walk

1971
01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:02.960
<v Speaker 5>at some point after one pm, after she's searched sunflower dresses.

1972
01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:08.359
<v Speaker 1>She gets home with the dogs. She sees the guys

1973
01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>across the street where they see her. They're probably there

1974
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:15.319
<v Speaker 1>to naber I've heard I've heard people say that she

1975
01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:18.479
<v Speaker 1>approached them to be like, what are you doing in

1976
01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the Medina house, But it would be more like they

1977
01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>were there to grab her, and then the robbery is

1978
01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:24.359
<v Speaker 1>just a red herring.

1979
01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:28.760
<v Speaker 2>So the last known sighting from the eyewitness reports. I

1980
01:32:28.840 --> 01:32:30.199
<v Speaker 2>believe was just prior to one.

1981
01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:33.920
<v Speaker 4>Pm, unless you count the woman.

1982
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:38.079
<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying, I'm sorry with her dog, with her dog,

1983
01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>with her dog.

1984
01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>So the dog runs off and gets grabbed by a neighbor, right,

1985
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>a neighbor puts it in the backyard.

1986
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:48.720
<v Speaker 4>Yep, Okay, So what I mean just that.

1987
01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:53.319
<v Speaker 3>It's it's like, well, yeah, but as you heard from

1988
01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Garry Goes, the state never tried to provide an nextus

1989
01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:58.760
<v Speaker 3>point from when Scott allegedly kidnapped his wife and then

1990
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:00.920
<v Speaker 3>left the dog behind on the leak. They never even

1991
01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:02.439
<v Speaker 3>argued that right.

1992
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:06.119
<v Speaker 1>And as Julia pointed out, if you were given a

1993
01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:08.520
<v Speaker 1>doctor's note to not take a walk, it doesn't mean

1994
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:09.319
<v Speaker 1>that you're not going to.

1995
01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:12.039
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's concrete proof of everything. Yeah, she had.

1996
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:16.720
<v Speaker 1>A few different people coroborate that story, a yoga teacher,

1997
01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:21.119
<v Speaker 1>her mother. But I fucking know, I've been around two

1998
01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:25.079
<v Speaker 1>pregnant women. I know how stir crazy they get. Yeah,

1999
01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised if she's like, fuck it, I'm

2000
01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:30.119
<v Speaker 1>feeling good to date. It's Christmas Eve, it's holiday cheer.

2001
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:31.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking a fucking walk today.

2002
01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:32.439
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna take it easy.

2003
01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:37.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm just walking Mackenzie down to the park and she's

2004
01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:39.119
<v Speaker 1>seen by twenty four fucking people.

2005
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:45.239
<v Speaker 2>So, in regards to this reporting, real time reporting back

2006
01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>in the case unfolded of the timeline of events. So

2007
01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:51.439
<v Speaker 2>December thirtieth, less than a week after her Lacey goes missing,

2008
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Modesta detectives raced over to investigate in the trading lead,

2009
01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a fresh nay massage therapist named Amber Fry revealed that

2010
01:33:58.079 --> 01:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>she'd been dating Scott Peterson forever a month.

2011
01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:01.960
<v Speaker 3>So they've always played these games.

2012
01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:05.159
<v Speaker 4>Of how they learned about that massage therapist.

2013
01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:10.039
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about that horror network excuse me, ding network,

2014
01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:13.079
<v Speaker 1>and uh what do we look at? Why was why

2015
01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>were all these women going to Epstein? They were giving it.

2016
01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:18.239
<v Speaker 1>The high school girls were given two hundred dollars handies.

2017
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I think it's important to note this statement by that detective.

2018
01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Former detective Bueller noted her recall was fantastic. It was

2019
01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>almost like it was a script from a Hallmark TV

2020
01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:32.520
<v Speaker 2>show or something whose dual I recalled every detail of

2021
01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:33.680
<v Speaker 2>their romantic dates.

2022
01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Come on, Bueler, whose builder does he come up? More

2023
01:34:37.239 --> 01:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>than like I know, I don't recognize that naw, he was.

2024
01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>He's a guy that's like actually saying real shit, and

2025
01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>he didn't really get covered in the true crime presentation.

2026
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:48.840
<v Speaker 4>There you go, because I've not heard that name come up.

2027
01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Then they get hurt of record phone calls and they

2028
01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:53.960
<v Speaker 2>do this massive press conference in the twenty fourth right,

2029
01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's a lot of like if you're going

2030
01:34:55.920 --> 01:34:58.439
<v Speaker 2>to build up of uh, you know, if you're doing

2031
01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:01.039
<v Speaker 2>a fictional narrative, you want you know, you have the storyline,

2032
01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:03.359
<v Speaker 2>you got to build up the suspense, right, And.

2033
01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:06.520
<v Speaker 4>It's a script if you ask Buehler.

2034
01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:08.439
<v Speaker 3>Well, Bueller just told you areas from Hallmark.

2035
01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:11.199
<v Speaker 4>It was a Hallmark script and it basically is that

2036
01:35:11.359 --> 01:35:12.199
<v Speaker 4>quality of production.

2037
01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.560
<v Speaker 3>So then April thirteenth and fourteenth is when the bodies

2038
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:16.199
<v Speaker 3>appear up.

2039
01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:18.560
<v Speaker 2>And again they don't go over the forensic evidence where

2040
01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>indicates these they decompositions are different.

2041
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:23.760
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean? And that is we're to

2042
01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:26.159
<v Speaker 3>believe the later DNA evidence. They claimed that confirming the

2043
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:27.640
<v Speaker 3>torso was Lacey's.

2044
01:35:31.119 --> 01:35:35.039
<v Speaker 1>No head though no head, no internal organs other than

2045
01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:39.079
<v Speaker 1>the uterus, no legs, that uterus did not wonder is

2046
01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:41.199
<v Speaker 1>stayed home, even though all the other organs left.

2047
01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, oh, dude, you remember this. The jurors.

2048
01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:48.359
<v Speaker 3>They even made a show out of the jurors.

2049
01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:52.159
<v Speaker 4>She wrote this motherfucker seventeen letters.

2050
01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:53.800
<v Speaker 1>She was one of the reasons that they want to

2051
01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>do appeal because she had some domestic violence issues and

2052
01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:01.399
<v Speaker 1>she had she was when she was being knocked around,

2053
01:36:01.439 --> 01:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and she left that out of the initial jury deliberate.

2054
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.119
<v Speaker 1>What is it when they sort through him, she would

2055
01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:11.199
<v Speaker 1>have been dismissed in a fucking second. And then she

2056
01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:15.199
<v Speaker 1>writes this guy letters he wrote back eighteen times. I'd

2057
01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>like to see those.

2058
01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:18.039
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know.

2059
01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:21.119
<v Speaker 3>I've been told he's very active as a pen pal in.

2060
01:36:21.159 --> 01:36:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Prison, especially some fucking redheaded little starlet trying to get.

2061
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Fair out of it. I mean, there you go again.

2062
01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:31.279
<v Speaker 2>The guy doesn't seem brilliant, right, He's obviously he's got

2063
01:36:31.319 --> 01:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>some you know, situations going on. So let's assume this.

2064
01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Let's if we can bring this in for a landing here.

2065
01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Not Bill Colby and Julia cosmic Peach. I appreciate your

2066
01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:43.199
<v Speaker 2>times in these conversations on our swamp casts. You kind

2067
01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:45.399
<v Speaker 2>of were kind of the some of the sailing characteristics

2068
01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>of the not case against Scott Peters and some of

2069
01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:50.119
<v Speaker 2>the bigger questions that remained. Let's assume it was a

2070
01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:52.279
<v Speaker 2>real event. Now, let me just throw this one at

2071
01:36:52.319 --> 01:36:55.520
<v Speaker 2>you on my closing statements on these things. Sims real event,

2072
01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:58.439
<v Speaker 2>the scene's actually happened. She actually did die, was a

2073
01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:01.279
<v Speaker 2>real person. There were two other incidents that fit the

2074
01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:03.640
<v Speaker 2>exact mold of her for the story lines we've kind

2075
01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:05.680
<v Speaker 2>of painted. For getting kidnapped and marked by some sort

2076
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:08.359
<v Speaker 2>of network of situations, right, and maybe even a ritual

2077
01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:10.760
<v Speaker 2>human sacrifice in different times with a baby, even in

2078
01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:12.479
<v Speaker 2>fact that Seene would play in this as well.

2079
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:13.039
<v Speaker 3>Perhaps.

2080
01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:15.760
<v Speaker 2>So there was two other women and one was named

2081
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>lords Avelia. She was reported she's a modesto lady, reported

2082
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:27.079
<v Speaker 2>to have she was eight eight eight or eight months

2083
01:37:27.119 --> 01:37:29.399
<v Speaker 2>eight and a half months pregnant. She reported to have

2084
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:32.439
<v Speaker 2>been stalked by two men in a van right around

2085
01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:33.039
<v Speaker 2>that same time.

2086
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:41.119
<v Speaker 5>So go ahead, no, go ahead. So you think it

2087
01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:43.359
<v Speaker 5>could have been like a serial killer.

2088
01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Team, Well, if you're a death cult shopping for babies

2089
01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:50.399
<v Speaker 3>and whatnot, and folksheads a lop off, I mean, there

2090
01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:50.600
<v Speaker 3>you go.

2091
01:37:53.600 --> 01:37:55.840
<v Speaker 5>Is that your final conclusion on it?

2092
01:37:56.199 --> 01:37:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, folks can check out that lady's tale. I did

2093
01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:01.520
<v Speaker 2>see this one thing on this year's ago on this case.

2094
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:03.279
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen any the new stuff, but that lady's

2095
01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>tale was depicted here in a previous TV murder of

2096
01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:15.279
<v Speaker 2>Lacy Peterson, so twenty seventeen. So you have that one, right,

2097
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:23.319
<v Speaker 2>and then you have the case also of Evelyn Hernandez.

2098
01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:27.680
<v Speaker 2>So her body comes up ashore not far from her

2099
01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Lacey's and Connor is dead, and I think about.

2100
01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:34.199
<v Speaker 5>Four months later, four months later.

2101
01:38:35.199 --> 01:38:37.760
<v Speaker 2>A pregnant woman had vanished days before giving birth inside

2102
01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:40.880
<v Speaker 2>case of Evelyn Hernandez, the other Lacey Peterson.

2103
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.920
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, I did not know about this.

2104
01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well apparently there's a new docu series here, ma'am.

2105
01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Murder has Two Faces, began May sixth of this year

2106
01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>on Hulu. The similarities between the killings of Hernandez and Peterson.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they ever found her son. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I do think they recovered her body though, But look,

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of the system, I think, because again one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Cameron points out, I think, even if Ed's

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<v Speaker 2>not the only guy doing it, part of this network

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<v Speaker 2>of this death cult, like AD's friend Otis Tool would describe, right,

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01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:14.399
<v Speaker 2>They knew each other. That is, you got You gotta

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<v Speaker 2>bring closure to the event. That way, there's no in

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<v Speaker 2>searching for shit. So you give them the patsy, you

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01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:21.159
<v Speaker 2>give them the body, you give them a convenience storyline,

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01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:22.760
<v Speaker 2>you give them a great person to hate.

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<v Speaker 3>It is an easy thing for folks to just accept.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, I'm reading a little bit about this Hernandez. This

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01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:37.760
<v Speaker 5>is crazy. Yeah. Look on July twenty four, two thousand

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01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:40.840
<v Speaker 5>and two, hernandez body was found in San Francisco Bay,

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01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:41.680
<v Speaker 5>missing its.

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<v Speaker 4>Head in several.

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01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Just like John Cameron says, this is also ed and

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<v Speaker 2>again I would agree it's the network and AD's in

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01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:51.680
<v Speaker 2>charge of it, but they may not.

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<v Speaker 3>Just be dded directly.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Lackey's.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've established a pattern behavior across decades, both of

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<v Speaker 2>geography and time. Here tonight with appreciate the conversation with all,

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<v Speaker 2>always enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>Real barn Burner.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't decleart at first, but I didn't have any

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<v Speaker 2>doubt's real barn Burner. But you know, what else are

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<v Speaker 2>we describe me? If it's not a network of what that?

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<v Speaker 2>What tool will describe as a hand of death, which

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<v Speaker 2>I claim his pal at Edwards was in charge of.

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<v Speaker 5>As my closing statements, I think this could either be

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<v Speaker 5>all theater or if Scott, If Scott didn't do it,

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<v Speaker 5>he knew from jump.

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<v Speaker 1>That suspending disbelief of this show thing, you really still

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<v Speaker 1>think he may.

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<v Speaker 3>Have done it.

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<v Speaker 5>He was involved in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>He had to have been, not in some way as

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01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:47.840
<v Speaker 1>though he was actually involved in her murder, or he

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01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>knew it was going down.

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<v Speaker 5>He knew it was going down, he knew the details.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's evidence of that. I No, it's great point.

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01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:56.640
<v Speaker 3>That's a great point.

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<v Speaker 2>There's evidence that again across the spectrum of space and

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01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:02.279
<v Speaker 2>time here j Sebring knew he was about to get

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01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:06.479
<v Speaker 2>murdered before he got murdered. So and in fact, somebody

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01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:08.720
<v Speaker 2>cut the phone lines of his the electrical lines at

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01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>his house that they thought they cut the power of

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01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:13.159
<v Speaker 2>his house in the phone lines the night before, like

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01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:15.159
<v Speaker 2>they did it to take Polansky house the next night

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<v Speaker 2>when he got murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>But they cut the cable lines. He had cable TV

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01:41:18.800 --> 01:41:19.880
<v Speaker 3>at a time when no one else did.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't even know that was a thing in the

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01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:23.399
<v Speaker 4>late sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you're on top of this network dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the drugs through his hair salon, his international hair

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01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:32.039
<v Speaker 2>salon j Sbri International, which upon his death was in

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01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:36.439
<v Speaker 2>fact taken over by the processed church's own member and attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>John Markham the second, his cousin is still today the

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<v Speaker 2>in charge and owns Sebrie International hair hair salon stuff,

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01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:48.760
<v Speaker 2>the hair slon of the stars and their products and

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01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:52.159
<v Speaker 2>their long standing drug distribution. It seems so that's the

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01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:55.520
<v Speaker 2>wholy un Markham family processed situation now. But yeah, he

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01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Seabring knew was getting the heat was on and he

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<v Speaker 2>did it.

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<v Speaker 3>What something was up?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think if let's let me not say if

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<v Speaker 5>let's just say Scott wasn't the one who actually did it, But.

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<v Speaker 4>You're still thinking that's a possibility.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he could have helped. He could have said, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>I think she's gonna walk the dog today.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of like, I kind of like JJ's take

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01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:22.399
<v Speaker 1>that she was maybe in the network as well as him,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that never has entered my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>But as soon as you said it, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's exactly what you when you started saying gonrel,

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<v Speaker 2>that's immediately came to my brain.

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<v Speaker 4>As some of my closing arguments I just there are

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<v Speaker 4>both pieces.

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01:42:35.359 --> 01:42:37.319
<v Speaker 3>Of the ship, right, both her and and her and

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01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Affleck a piece of ship in that film.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I just looked up on the interwebs here.

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<v Speaker 1>The author of that book that was adapted into the

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01:42:46.840 --> 01:42:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Fincher film flat out said this is based on the

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Peterson thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Boom boom boom. I like your rat, sir. That's good,

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01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:57.479
<v Speaker 3>that's good ship. I didn't consider that. I like it though,

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<v Speaker 3>so I that's how much I liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just I always look at these like I

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<v Speaker 1>do think Jack Nicholson did create Ted Bundy it at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Point, yeah, man, and I do what Cult Necessary film

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01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:12.439
<v Speaker 2>reviews every Wednesday, sir, and it did't even cross my

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01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:13.000
<v Speaker 2>brain hole.

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<v Speaker 3>So I like your style.

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01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Well i'll show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll send you this clip that Julia pulled up where

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01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:21.680
<v Speaker 1>he's being interviewed in Colorado. I think that's Jack Nicholson

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01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:25.359
<v Speaker 1>representing the Ted Bundying character. There was lots of people

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<v Speaker 1>who did, and I think Nicholson was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And dude, I'm not convinced that Ben Affleck wasn't in

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01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:33.800
<v Speaker 1>fucking prosthetics to play Scott Peterson, even.

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<v Speaker 2>Though I'm gonna need to see that link, sir. I'm

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01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:40.319
<v Speaker 2>also gonna need to join you all for another conversation

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<v Speaker 2>on these topics. Is really I enjoyed the conversation. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, thanks it out for doing this. This was,

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01:43:46.920 --> 01:43:48.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, better than I expected it to be. I

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01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>expected it to be pread but barn Burner, like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, guaranteed, sir, No bombs here, no bombs here? All right, Well,

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01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:01.439
<v Speaker 2>any closing states prob we call her in here.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that I've said my piece.

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<v Speaker 2>Conspiracy, playtime, cosmic, peach, anything, anything fantastic coming up besides

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01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:13.319
<v Speaker 2>your current fantastic stuff on you to check out about

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01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>your mental health series.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's a it's a three part series and the

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01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:22.199
<v Speaker 5>last episode is going to be coming out soon. But

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<v Speaker 5>just so you know, I learned one thing from the

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01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:30.479
<v Speaker 5>the Scott Peterson case, and the number one cause of

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01:44:30.600 --> 01:44:34.520
<v Speaker 5>death for pregnant women is murder. So if something happens

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<v Speaker 5>to me Kolby, did it yike?

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01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Not for having I do make soa with sodium hydroxide.

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01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Not it's not androgyen this it has a gender. Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, we'll have to convene on these matters in the

2235
01:44:51.279 --> 01:44:56.439
<v Speaker 2>future in Operation GCD live every Sunday's, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Friday,

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01:44:56.479 --> 01:44:59.479
<v Speaker 2>sometimes on Saturdays because I get sick on Thursdays like tonight.

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01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:03.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do that next. But I i'd look forward

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01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:05.760
<v Speaker 2>to our next conversations. And and if baby Hank arrives

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01:45:05.800 --> 01:45:09.119
<v Speaker 2>in the future, uh, congratulations, And before I talk to

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<v Speaker 2>your next congratulations. And I'm giving you pre congratulations.

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01:45:12.479 --> 01:45:14.960
<v Speaker 4>And uh there's a very good chance that the next

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01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:15.840
<v Speaker 4>time you talk to us.

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01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:18.359
<v Speaker 3>I assumed as much. Yeah, I assumed as much.

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01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:20.039
<v Speaker 2>So and I know I've been through those endeavors of

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01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:21.640
<v Speaker 2>having a newborns a good luck best of luck in

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01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>that it's gonna be a lot of sleepless nights, I'm sure.

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01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:27.039
<v Speaker 2>So in the future when you're all or back to

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01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.000
<v Speaker 2>having you know, some time to podcast here. But I

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01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:32.800
<v Speaker 2>look forward to our future conversations whenever that does occur.

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<v Speaker 2>Post Thank you congratulations. That's that's awesome stuff. Thank you, yes, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well is that it. We'll catch you next time?

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01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:44.399
<v Speaker 4>All right?

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01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:05.920
<v Speaker 5>Under the blue moon.

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01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:11.000
<v Speaker 7>I saw you so serom you'll take me.

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01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:16.399
<v Speaker 3>Up in your arms to lead to beg you or

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<v Speaker 3>cancel it, though I know it must be killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, unwillingly mind.

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01:46:28.119 --> 01:46:32.119
<v Speaker 5>Face up against.

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01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:32.359
<v Speaker 3>To wake you

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<v Speaker 4>Through the fig