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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, guess what day it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess what day it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Huh anybody, It's hump Day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it is hump Day. Welcome to the Big Boone Sider.

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<v Speaker 4>Dick Gabri was he on a Wednesday edition of our program.

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<v Speaker 4>Coming up tonight baseball, football, basketball, a little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>horse racing. At the bottom of the hour, Aaron Gershan

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<v Speaker 4>of the Cats Balls will join us talk about the Wildcats,

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit of NBA with Aaron as well, and

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<v Speaker 4>in our number two. As usual on Wednesdays, we visit

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<v Speaker 4>with our head coach of the Scott County Cardinals and

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<v Speaker 4>unforgettable guard Sean Woods. Also, our West End Bureau chief

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<v Speaker 4>Gary Moore joined us in our number two. I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to talk a little bit first about UK basketball, the

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<v Speaker 4>NBA and the media because for many, many years being

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<v Speaker 4>a member of the media, I've heard people criticize us,

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<v Speaker 4>those of us in the media about being negative or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's the case. You're always going to hear that

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<v Speaker 4>if somebody says or writes anything that doesn't agree with

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<v Speaker 4>what they think, and isn't you know, if you're not

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<v Speaker 4>with us, you're against this kind of stuff. But if

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<v Speaker 4>you think it's bad here, and I've heard people talk

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<v Speaker 4>about how terrible it is. No trust me, it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>And I will start by saying, I remember many many

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<v Speaker 4>years ago hearing Rick Patino talking to somebody about the

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<v Speaker 4>media in Kentucky compared to the media in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Because remember he had come from coaching the Knicks. You

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<v Speaker 4>talk about a lightning rod. Now he had won a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of games up there, they had won a divisional title,

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<v Speaker 4>they had packed Madison Square Garden. But he was still

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<v Speaker 4>criticized because if you're a pro coach anywhere, you're going

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<v Speaker 4>to be criticized, especially in New York. And of course

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<v Speaker 4>Tom Tibodeau just fired by the Knicks. All he did

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<v Speaker 4>was win fifty games get him to the Eastern Conference Final.

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<v Speaker 4>We will come back to that. But I heard Patino

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<v Speaker 4>explain to somebody comparing media in Kentucky to the media

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<v Speaker 4>in New York. And when he talked about us, he said,

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<v Speaker 4>they're like candy compared to New York. I always got

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<v Speaker 4>to kick out of that, They're like candy compared to

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<v Speaker 4>the media in New York. And that's true, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>because New York is the most competitive media market in

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<v Speaker 4>the world, and those men and women up there are

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<v Speaker 4>battling for ratings, for eyeballs, for readers, still for clicks.

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<v Speaker 4>So what's the best way to get those Well, not

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<v Speaker 4>by saying everything's great. No, by attacking. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if the team is winning and winning big, yeah, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>But if it's not, they attack, And that has happened now,

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<v Speaker 4>of course with the Knick's coach who's now fired and

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<v Speaker 4>it's kind of divided the media. Should he have been fired?

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<v Speaker 4>Should he not? But of course one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 4>targets right now, literally and figuratively is Karl Anthony Towns

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<v Speaker 4>came over in the trade from Minnesota for Julius Randalls,

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<v Speaker 4>so two Wildcats being swapped, and Towns was supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>be the final piece of that puzzle. And you heard

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Sephaznik talk about this on the show. Are New

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<v Speaker 4>York based superfan UK superfan the other day. I got

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<v Speaker 4>some tweets and texts from you guys and joined that interview.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you did. But as Mike pointed out, Towns

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<v Speaker 4>is built like the proverbial aircraft carrier, as Al McGuire

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<v Speaker 4>used to call, but he is not the classic and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how many of these guys exist anymore,

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<v Speaker 4>low post bigs who set up shop in the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>of the paint and do all their work there. No,

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<v Speaker 4>he's out on the floor, he's shooting threes, but he does.

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<v Speaker 4>Every big man does that now in the NBA. DeMarcus

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<v Speaker 4>Cousins was doing that in the NBA before he got hurt.

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<v Speaker 4>So now he's the big he's the big target, he's

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<v Speaker 4>the big paycheck, and he's the biggest target for criticism

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<v Speaker 4>and Mike, not long after we taped our interview, he

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<v Speaker 4>sent me a link to a SoundBite from WFN Radio

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<v Speaker 4>knocking Boy, not just knocking destroying Carl Anthony Towns.

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<v Speaker 5>Here, it is the biggest issue that the Knicks have

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<v Speaker 5>going forward to get to the next level is the

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<v Speaker 5>fact that they waited and waited and waited to go

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<v Speaker 5>all in on a couple of guys, and the biggest

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<v Speaker 5>one being Karl Anthony Towns, and they went and they

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<v Speaker 5>traded for him, and he's making fifty million dollars a

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<v Speaker 5>year and at the core, he's a loser. That is

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<v Speaker 5>their biggest problem. The guy is a loser, He's a

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<v Speaker 5>losing player. He complains, he is soft. He shows you

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<v Speaker 5>flashes where he's the best player on the court, not enough,

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<v Speaker 5>he doesn't play enough defense. He bitches and moans. He is,

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<v Speaker 5>up until this point in his career, a loser who

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<v Speaker 5>is making fifty million dollars, who is going to be

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<v Speaker 5>a logjam. As far as them trying to get to

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<v Speaker 5>the next level.

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<v Speaker 3>His shot selection on Saturday night was insane.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's it's he is getting to the point

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<v Speaker 5>now as one of the most frustrating players I have

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<v Speaker 5>ever watched in the uniform of a team that I

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<v Speaker 5>root for because I know how good he can be,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's just so damn annoying watching him not realize

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<v Speaker 5>his full potential. And I don't know if it'll ever happen.

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<v Speaker 5>I really don't know, but that that is their biggest issue,

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<v Speaker 5>is the fact that they thought this Town's thing was

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<v Speaker 5>going to work better than it did and it hasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>That is Greg Giannati of WFN Radio up in New York,

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<v Speaker 4>And as I said, very competitive. You gotta go after somebody,

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<v Speaker 4>So he's going to go after Towns. Right. What happens

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<v Speaker 4>next year, whoever's coaching, If the Knicks win the title,

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<v Speaker 4>this guy's going to be all over Karl Anthony towns

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<v Speaker 4>in a good way. Towns will be a here, They'll

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<v Speaker 4>have a ticker tape parade, and all will be forgiven

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<v Speaker 4>and forgotten. But that's just the nature of the media

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<v Speaker 4>up in New York. But please keep that in mind

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<v Speaker 4>when you complain about us. And I'm not saying we're

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<v Speaker 4>above reproach. You complain about us all we all you want.

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<v Speaker 4>People have complained about me since I began my career,

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<v Speaker 4>such as it is. But I just think it's interesting

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<v Speaker 4>when I hear people complain about lexing and media and

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<v Speaker 4>talk about us, And of course it's all relative. I know,

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<v Speaker 4>if you grew up in this area and you grew

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<v Speaker 4>up reading and listening and watching media people, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what you like and you know what you don't like.

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<v Speaker 4>But trust me, it's nothing, nothing like it is in

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<v Speaker 4>the bigger markets. For that reason, what if Mark Pope

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<v Speaker 4>it was expected now to make a run for the

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<v Speaker 4>national title? Legitimate run, as Cameron Mills pointed out yesterday,

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<v Speaker 4>that's always the mission. What nobody expected that? And I

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<v Speaker 4>wonder how many people expected a Sweet sixteen run based

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<v Speaker 4>on a reaction by the Wildcat faithful. Probably not many.

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<v Speaker 4>They were so happy with that team last year. Well

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<v Speaker 4>what about this coming year? And we'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 4>preseason Top twenty five here in a minute. So what

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<v Speaker 4>if Pope doesn't accomplish that, What if he doesn't get

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<v Speaker 4>it done in the next three to five years, I

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<v Speaker 4>guarantee you he won't be trashed away. Karl Anthony Towns

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<v Speaker 4>has been trashed in New York preseason rankings right now

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<v Speaker 4>they all two early preseason rankings are out there. And

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<v Speaker 4>you may have noticed if you listened last night with

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<v Speaker 4>camer Mills. I didn't bring this up because he loses

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<v Speaker 4>his mind whenever you talk about polls. This is the

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<v Speaker 4>blind spot for him. He refuses to accept the fact

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<v Speaker 4>it's for fun, for us that the consumer, and for

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<v Speaker 4>the people doing the polls. It's a way to fill

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<v Speaker 4>space and time. I always say, the internet's a bottomless

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<v Speaker 4>pitt and we have to fill it right cbssports dot

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<v Speaker 4>com as they're all too soon. Top twenty five preseason

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<v Speaker 4>and number one is Saint John's talk about high expectations.

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<v Speaker 4>Thirty one and five. Last year, upset in the nca

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<v Speaker 4>Tournament by Arkansas, but they get a bunch of transfers

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<v Speaker 4>a guy from North Carolina, Bryce Hopkins from Providence, got

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<v Speaker 4>a kid from Arizona State from Cincinnati, Stanford, Idaho State

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<v Speaker 4>crying out loud an Naia player transferring in. They're bringing

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<v Speaker 4>in a kid from overseas and a four star high

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<v Speaker 4>school kid. Patino said he was going to ignore high

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<v Speaker 4>school kids. He did sign one, and CBS Sports has

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<v Speaker 4>them number one preseason. I will save you the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Kentucky is number twelve, and this is after well Tago

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<v Speaker 4>Away made his announcement, but of course they cite him.

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<v Speaker 4>Brandon Garret Garrison, all the transfers coming in and the

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<v Speaker 4>four star freshman class Jasper Johnson, Malachai Moreno, and Brayden Hawthorne.

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<v Speaker 4>So now you're wondering, well, who could be better than Kentucky?

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<v Speaker 4>In between uk and Saint John's Well Houston three at

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<v Speaker 4>the top seven scorers are back from a team that

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<v Speaker 4>played for a national title last year. Brigham Young is third.

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<v Speaker 4>How about that they've got freshmen, They've got transfers. Perdue

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<v Speaker 4>is fourth, Yukon fifth. Florida defending champion is six, but

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<v Speaker 4>five of its top ten scorers back. Texas Tech is seventh,

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<v Speaker 4>then Michigan Duke, Ucla, and Arizona, following Kentucky, Iowa State, Alabama,

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<v Speaker 4>and Louisville at number fifteen. I've seen Louisville in the

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<v Speaker 4>top ten in one of these way too soon surveys.

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<v Speaker 4>So again, it's just for fun, and I doubt if

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<v Speaker 4>this changes much now between the beginning of the season

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<v Speaker 4>and today, unless somebody gets hurt. But it's just for fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody's saying that Saint John's is a lot. But it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be fun to see what Patino does for

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<v Speaker 4>an encore, just as it's going to be fun to

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<v Speaker 4>see what Mark Pope does for an encore. And remember

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<v Speaker 4>they play each other down in Atlanta. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 4>this in more, but Aaron Gershawn when we come back

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<v Speaker 4>up next the College Football Hall of Fame ballot. I

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned the other night Randall Cobb is on the ballot.

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<v Speaker 4>He'll get my vote, But as for who else I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to vote for, this is one of the toughest

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<v Speaker 4>years I can remember, and so many of the players

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<v Speaker 4>you and I have seen them play against Kentucky or

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<v Speaker 4>we've seen them play in high profile games. That's all

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<v Speaker 4>ahead here on the big Blue side. Six thirty Wlap

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to the Big Blue Sider. Coming up at

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom of the hour, Aaron Gershawn of the catch Pause,

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<v Speaker 4>and then in hour number two, Sean Woods, the unforgettable Guard,

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<v Speaker 4>and West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore. We speak to

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<v Speaker 4>each of those guys scheduling permitting on Wednesdays. I talked

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit yesterday about the fact that Randall Cobb,

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<v Speaker 4>the maybe best all around player in the history of

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<v Speaker 4>Kentucky football, is now on the College Football Hall of

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<v Speaker 4>Fame ballot the class of twenty twenty six, and he

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<v Speaker 4>is up against some serious, serious competition. But think about

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<v Speaker 4>this now, Remember now, Tim kouch went in what was

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<v Speaker 4>it last year, they put out these numbers, five point

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<v Speaker 4>seven eight million players in college football since the first

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<v Speaker 4>game Princeton versus Rutgers in eighteen sixty nine. No, I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't cover it, but since then, only a total of

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<v Speaker 4>one thousand, one hundred and eleven players eleven to eleven

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<v Speaker 4>have earned induction into the College Football Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 4>That is point zero two percent, less than two to

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<v Speaker 4>one hundredth of a percent of anybody who played the

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<v Speaker 4>game in the last one hundred and fifty five seasons.

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<v Speaker 4>And from the coaching ranks. Only two hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 4>seven individuals have been named to the College Football Hall

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<v Speaker 4>of Fame. So amazing, amazing those numbers, which is why

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<v Speaker 4>it's so tough to get in. I do have a

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<v Speaker 4>vote as a member of the College Football Writers Association,

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<v Speaker 4>and going through the ballot, yeah, I will vote for

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<v Speaker 4>Randall Cobb. And I know it's terribly parochial, maybe a

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I went through the names, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>play somehow. In some of these names, you're gonna know regardless.

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<v Speaker 4>Enemy to Colorada running back nineteen ninety third in the

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<v Speaker 4>eight outback Well actually played it on January one, nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>first team All American and Penn State's all time career

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<v Speaker 4>player Kase Johnnick Carter. If you're a Bengals fan, you

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<v Speaker 4>saw him play. Injuries meant he did not have a

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<v Speaker 4>and a Heisman runner up In nineteen ninety four. Brad

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<v Speaker 4>culpeper Florida defensive tackle Wildcats had to play against Aaron Donald.

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<v Speaker 4>What may have won him that Nigersky Award was his

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<v Speaker 4>one to twenty four. Good game and he was a

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<v Speaker 4>difference maker six sacks in one game that broke the

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<v Speaker 4>NCAA single game sack record. Later on, he broke the

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<v Speaker 4>NSA record for forced fumbles that season. Von Dunbar, running

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<v Speaker 4>back for Indiana, played against the Wildcats. Robert Griffin third

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<v Speaker 4>RG three from Baylor, consensus first team All American, blew

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<v Speaker 4>his knee. He killed his NFL career, but a great

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<v Speaker 4>American for Florida. Remember watching him play against Kentucky. Kentucky

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<v Speaker 4>had no answers for that guy. Nobody had answers for

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<v Speaker 4>that guy. Also, Garrison Hurst, running back nineteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 4>His senior year. He ran for one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 4>one yards in a touchdown against Kentucky beat the Wildcats

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<v Speaker 4>forty to seven, mark Ingram Alabama running back Believe it

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<v Speaker 4>or not, Alabama's first ever Heisman Trophy winner, and he

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<v Speaker 4>graduated in twenty oh nine. Up until that point, Bama

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<v Speaker 4>sec offensive player of the year, led the league in

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<v Speaker 4>rushing and touchdowns. You know who else is on the ballot?

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<v Speaker 4>Riot Leaf, Washington State first team All American quarterback, third

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<v Speaker 4>in the Heisman Trophy voting. Remember the NFL draft that

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<v Speaker 4>year came down to Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf. Colts

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<v Speaker 4>made the right decision. Leif had terrible problems with his

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<v Speaker 4>personal discipline, shall we say when he got out. But

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<v Speaker 4>a great college player, Marshawn Lynch Cal running back is

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<v Speaker 4>on the ballot. You know who else is on the ballot?

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<v Speaker 4>Kellen Moore from Boise State quarterback twenty ten first Team

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<v Speaker 4>All American, finished his career as the winningest starting quarterback

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<v Speaker 4>in college football history, still Boise States all time leading passer.

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<v Speaker 4>Really part of that Boise team that put that program

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<v Speaker 4>on the map. I'll tell you another guy who's got

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<v Speaker 4>to go in first ballot. I gotta think Cam Newton

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<v Speaker 4>of Auburn and since his first team All American Heightsman

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<v Speaker 4>Trophy winner in twenty ten led the Tigers to a

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<v Speaker 4>national title. But the toughest game that year for Auburn

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<v Speaker 4>go look it up. Prior to the championship game, Kentucky

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<v Speaker 4>in lection It Wildcats had a chance just barely missed

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<v Speaker 4>upsetting Auburn, which needed a game winning drive led by

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<v Speaker 4>Newton in a closing seconds and a field goal to

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<v Speaker 4>beat the Wildcats. And until the championship game. That was

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<v Speaker 4>their toughest game. I know they fell behind it to

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<v Speaker 4>come back against Alabama, but they won easily over Alabama

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<v Speaker 4>compared to the win over Kentucky. Ken Norton, Junior UCLA

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<v Speaker 4>linebacker is on the ballot. His son He is the

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<v Speaker 4>son of the boxer. Ken Norton Junior's son. At one point,

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<v Speaker 4>he's a sports catch. At one point worked at WLKY

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<v Speaker 4>and Louisville. How about that Antwine Randall l Indiana First

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<v Speaker 4>Team All America quarterback in twenty one as a senior.

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<v Speaker 4>His team had a losing record. What was the first

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<v Speaker 4>team All American and his last game of his college

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<v Speaker 4>career was a win over the Wildcats. They were supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to play Kentucky second weekend of September, then nine to

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<v Speaker 4>eleven happened. That game was moved to the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the year and Randall LL had a big game. His

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<v Speaker 4>team carried him off the field. After winning over Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 4>he became the first player in FBS history to throw

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<v Speaker 4>for six thousand yards and rush for three thousand yards.

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<v Speaker 4>Ran for more yards in any quarterback in FBS history

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<v Speaker 4>at that point. At the conclusion of his career, switched

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<v Speaker 4>to wide receiver, had a nice pro career. Larry Severs

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<v Speaker 4>Tennessee wide receiver, first team All American consensus nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 4>five at seventy six, but his last game as a

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<v Speaker 4>collegiate a lost to Kentucky in Knoxville, sixth to nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Kentucky went on to the Peach Bowl. Tennessee did not

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<v Speaker 4>get a bid and their coach was fired. But Larry

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<v Speaker 4>Sivers great player. Also in the ballot and Dominican Sue

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<v Speaker 4>the great Nebraska defensive tackle Mantit Tew Notre Dame linebacker,

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<v Speaker 4>unanimous first team All American. Unfortunately was best known because

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<v Speaker 4>he got catfished. Also in the ballot Peter Warwick, great

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<v Speaker 4>wide receiver from Florida State. Five years with the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're a Bengals fan, you watched him. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. This is an incredibly talented ballad. Not

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<v Speaker 4>sure who I'm going to vote for, but I will

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<v Speaker 4>vote for Randall Copp Back in the minute with Aaron

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<v Speaker 4>Gershean on six thirty wlap welcome back to the Big

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<v Speaker 4>Blue and sider joining us now as he does each week.

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<v Speaker 4>Aaron Gershan of the Cats pause, and before we talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the current Wildcats, Aaron, I got to ask you

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<v Speaker 4>about a former Wildcat. You covered Karl Anthony Towns when

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<v Speaker 4>he was here, or at least, let's see, were you

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<v Speaker 4>in Indiana by then?

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<v Speaker 2>Not yet? No, this was before I was actually still

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<v Speaker 2>up in New York. Okay, all right, that's right, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>two years ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Of me, that's right. But as I mentioned in a

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<v Speaker 4>previous segment, growing up in the New York area, being

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<v Speaker 4>as sportsman as you are, you're used to hearing, seeing

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<v Speaker 4>reading the media coverage that we played earlier with the

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<v Speaker 4>SoundBite of a radio host destroying Carl Anthony Towns. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>is that just business as usual up there?

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<v Speaker 2>Business as usual up there? I mean, it gives me

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<v Speaker 2>some pleasure right now. But go listen to the Jan

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<v Speaker 2>Soto rants. With how he's performing so far with the Mets,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd act like he's in the fourteenth year of that

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<v Speaker 2>contract and it's all over and he's a bus So

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<v Speaker 2>that's just how it is in New York. Everything's under

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<v Speaker 2>a very sick microscope and you got to perform and

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<v Speaker 2>look that clip. I actually I agree with the fact

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<v Speaker 2>he could be frustrating and the shot selection sometimes is

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<v Speaker 2>way off, and he's such a good player, and he

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<v Speaker 2>is inconsistent, and I think those are all good takes.

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<v Speaker 2>But to say he's what's holding them back, to tell

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<v Speaker 2>them back this year is crazy to me, based on

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<v Speaker 2>the fact they went further this year. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>the same team beat him. I get that, but and

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<v Speaker 2>you know everyone's going to make the argument, oh, if

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Tatum to get hurt, well in Game five, when

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Tatum unfortunately did arraus achilles, the Knicks had all

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<v Speaker 2>the momentum before that injury occurred. They were in the lead,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were probably still going to win the game,

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<v Speaker 2>and they would have been up three to one, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they still lost the game with Tatum backs without

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<v Speaker 2>with Tatum out, so you know, and then they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to finish off that series and dominate Game six,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, so to me, they actually took the

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<v Speaker 2>next step this year, even if you want to call

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<v Speaker 2>it a little lucky that you know, a superstar went down.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, the Knicks had bigger issues. It was their

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<v Speaker 2>offense really, And you know, I don't necessarily agree with

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<v Speaker 2>firing Tom said though, with given what he's done with

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<v Speaker 2>this franchise that has been just awful until he arrived

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<v Speaker 2>and they made the playoffs his first year, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>been the playoffs all but one year he was there.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, their offensive times kind of similar to

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw toward the end of the cal era,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit outdated, a little bit slow, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the short rotations, and you could demply tell fatigue got

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<v Speaker 2>the guys like Kat and Jalen Brompton and Josh Hart

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of the year because they play such

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<v Speaker 2>a darn large low during the regular season. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>not to say they need to be I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>load management fan, so it's not the fact like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he can play his eighty two games, but playing forty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes in seventy of eighty two games, yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if that's the best strategy. You've got to have

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<v Speaker 2>a bench, and you've got to have depth. In Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>had it in the next.

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<v Speaker 4>Day, Yeah, And which to me points the finger at

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<v Speaker 4>the front office. Basically, you know, give him if you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to play short rotation, there's a reason if you

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<v Speaker 4>give him a reason to play deeper in the bench. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's not going to be Mark Pope playing everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I just thought that was interesting. And as

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<v Speaker 4>I said earlier, I always kind of have to smile

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<v Speaker 4>when I hear people ripping on us, the media. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that's all part of it. We you know, we take criticism.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, if you really want to know what

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<v Speaker 4>it's like to hear media trashing the team they cover.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, New York and Philadelphia for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would think Boston Philadelphia, I would think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>which I call the abreast city in America. So anyway, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so I did want to touch on that with you.

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<v Speaker 4>But now, speaking of Mark Pope, in the all too

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<v Speaker 4>premature polls and surveys and rankings and all Kentucky's up there,

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<v Speaker 4>CBS Sports has him twelfth preseason right now, it's all

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<v Speaker 4>in good fun. But on your website, Isaac Trotter of

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<v Speaker 4>two four to seven Sports as Kentucky seventh, not twelve,

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<v Speaker 4>and gives Kentucky a huge shot at winning a national title.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's what people expect. So that's Is it a

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<v Speaker 4>big deal or no?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, it is in a sense that last

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<v Speaker 2>year it was a little different. You know, you're coming

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<v Speaker 2>in with a ton of unknown with guys that had

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<v Speaker 2>never played together before, with a coach who you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how he was going to perform here because he

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<v Speaker 2>had really only been a head coach in the city.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw obviously played here, but it's different. And they

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<v Speaker 2>came into the season a people ranked twenty three that

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<v Speaker 2>was almost like it almost felt like name brand, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get in. So they come in twenty third

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<v Speaker 2>and then they start the year red hot, and they

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<v Speaker 2>go all the way up to number four, you know

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<v Speaker 2>before they lost to Clemson. So you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal that already in year two where last

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<v Speaker 2>and let's see what we've got. This year, it's final

415
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<v Speaker 2>four busts in a lot of people's eyes. And when

416
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:27.079
<v Speaker 2>you build a roster this talented and with this much death,

417
00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:29.319
<v Speaker 2>you have a guy in oteke Away who was all

418
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:32.119
<v Speaker 2>the second team all SEC last year, was your leading scorer,

419
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 2>was in double figures in all but two or three games,

420
00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:38.359
<v Speaker 2>coming back to lead the team. Like, yeah, it's going

421
00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:41.519
<v Speaker 2>to come with expectations, especially you know, again, I think

422
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:43.720
<v Speaker 2>we touched on it. Last week Auburn and Alabama got

423
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<v Speaker 2>saved by the bell too on NBA Day, NBA deadline Day,

424
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<v Speaker 2>getting file On back to Bama and then Pettiford back

425
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<v Speaker 2>to Auburn. So you know, those two teams probably were

426
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<v Speaker 2>fringe top twenty five. Now they're looking, you know, top

427
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.839
<v Speaker 2>fifteen to top twenty, but still they're not. I don't

428
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<v Speaker 2>think they're gonna be as dominant as they were last year.

429
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Florida should be really, really good again. They've reloaded Arkansas,

430
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.839
<v Speaker 2>you think is gonna be better. I still am skeptical

431
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.279
<v Speaker 2>about the shooting on that roster, so you know, the

432
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<v Speaker 2>SEC is not going to take a drastic step back.

433
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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's almost impossible for to be as

434
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<v Speaker 2>elite as it was last year. I mean, I could

435
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<v Speaker 2>be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong, because it was

436
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.599
<v Speaker 2>a heck of a lot of fun watching all these

437
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:27.880
<v Speaker 2>battles last year. But yeah, I see they I think

438
00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:31.119
<v Speaker 2>they are on paper a top ten teams. But you

439
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.960
<v Speaker 2>got to now it's about managing those expectations and going

440
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.759
<v Speaker 2>out and performing. We haven't really, we haven't really seen

441
00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.599
<v Speaker 2>a Mark Pope led team have these high expectations and

442
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:44.279
<v Speaker 2>see how he handles, you know, keeping those rankings out

443
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.200
<v Speaker 2>of eyesight, out of earshot. We haven't seen that yet. So,

444
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, last year they were kind of like the underdogs.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Even though they did get up into the top four

446
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 2>and they beat some really good teams, no one was

447
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>really no one really took them all that seriously. And

448
00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:59.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, they went to the Sweet sixteen with a

449
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.519
<v Speaker 2>pang groups. So it's gonna be different this here, coming

450
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>in with high expectations, and if they.

451
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<v Speaker 4>Had stayed healthy, I think the expectations pre season last

452
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.839
<v Speaker 4>year would have been adjusted on the fly by us

453
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<v Speaker 4>in the media about your fans, because, as you said,

454
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:16.799
<v Speaker 4>they got off to that great start, they piled up

455
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:20.640
<v Speaker 4>good big win after big win. But the injuries, the

456
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:24.960
<v Speaker 4>puzzling losses, Yeah, the fact that they didn't play very

457
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:29.319
<v Speaker 4>good defense until after that Old Miss loss. Everybody kind

458
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.480
<v Speaker 4>of had to tap the brakes a little bit, didn't they.

459
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's no question about it. They absolutely had to

460
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.200
<v Speaker 2>tap the breaks and see uh, it was just waiting

461
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 2>and see mode. You never kind of knew which Kentucky

462
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:42.680
<v Speaker 2>team was going to come out for a little bit

463
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:46.039
<v Speaker 2>there with their defensive issues, and you know, that's one

464
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.559
<v Speaker 2>thing on Mark Tube's resume that has been concerning, and

465
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.440
<v Speaker 2>you hope you know this year now, when he has

466
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<v Speaker 2>the best, by far the best rosters ever put together

467
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:57.720
<v Speaker 2>on paper, is these puzzling, weird losses to teams they

468
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<v Speaker 2>have no business losing to. I mean, you just go

469
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 2>back to his last year there at BYU. They lost

470
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<v Speaker 2>the Brandon Garrison in Oklahoma State, who finished dead last

471
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 2>in the Big twelve. They loft Oklahoma and won't take

472
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>away That team wasn't any good. So you know there

473
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:16.079
<v Speaker 2>are some puzzling losses that happened that year, and go

474
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 2>through his track record, I don't have them all in

475
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>front of me. And then last year, of course, you

476
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 2>know losing you know, Georgia ended up being a tournament team,

477
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 2>but a team he should be able to handle. You

478
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.599
<v Speaker 2>lose on the road to Texas when Texas was paying

479
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>up as well and you had the game in control,

480
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I'm missing some of the other weird

481
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>ones off the top of my head, but just just games.

482
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:37.519
<v Speaker 2>You feel like you should have had Vanderbilt on the

483
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:42.599
<v Speaker 2>road again, another tournament team, but you know you're down big,

484
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>then you take an eight point lead. You should be

485
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.119
<v Speaker 2>able to finish them off. So you know, that is

486
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>one thing you look at going to next year, you

487
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.119
<v Speaker 2>look at how you know, maybe I don't know if

488
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>it's hype. I don't know if it's what the messaging.

489
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Who knows. Maybe it was just off days from these

490
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>particular teams and it's just all, you know, just not

491
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.279
<v Speaker 2>a trend we should be worried about. But yeah, that's

492
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:04.440
<v Speaker 2>definitely something.

493
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.920
<v Speaker 4>Will monger when you look at preseason polls, as you said,

494
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.480
<v Speaker 4>business as usual for Kentucky and even dating back to

495
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:17.680
<v Speaker 4>the Caliparia are his last two teams preseason twenty two

496
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 4>to twenty three. Around of twenty three twenty four, Kentucky

497
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 4>was ranked sixteenth. Wi's low for the Wildcats. Of course,

498
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:30.000
<v Speaker 4>the year before Kentucky preseason was number four Ashley, you know.

499
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.039
<v Speaker 4>And by the way, in that poll, Yukon was nowhere

500
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 4>to be seen, jumped up and won it.

501
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, what was I would love to know? And

502
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:40.279
<v Speaker 2>I was very high on Florida. I just want to

503
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 2>say Darryl Bert actually last year look at our cat

504
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>pause Yeah, if you go look at our Cat's pause

505
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.119
<v Speaker 2>SEC rankings, I think he moved to Kentucky fifth and

506
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 2>put Florida four. Actually it's Florida up at number three,

507
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 2>but Darrell adjusted it. That's okay. But I wonder if

508
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>they were ranked going into the year. I bet they

509
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.440
<v Speaker 2>were top twenty five, but I don't think they were

510
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>that high up in there. It just it all all

511
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:02.880
<v Speaker 2>has to play out of the floor. There's always going

512
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.599
<v Speaker 2>to be teams that I mean, no one had any

513
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.759
<v Speaker 2>expectations for Louisville last year and how could you. And

514
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, they ended up having a very nice year.

515
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I know the ACC was down, but you know they

516
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 2>lost seven or eight games. That's a really really good

517
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 2>year no matter how you slice it. So you know,

518
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>there's always going to be a team that's overlooked. But

519
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, Kentucky this year, you know last year was

520
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of in that boat. This year they're going to

521
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 2>come in you know, was it on their chest and

522
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to They're gonna have to perform.

523
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.440
<v Speaker 2>It's the first again, it's the first time we've really

524
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>seen this with Pope, and it's going to be really interesting.

525
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>And like you said, some cow Perry teams handled it

526
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>really well and others, you know, not so all.

527
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and others were disappointing. Uh, the AP preseason basketball

528
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:50.559
<v Speaker 4>poll for last year did not did not have Florida anywhere.

529
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.160
<v Speaker 2>You even have Florida, how about that didn't.

530
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 4>Even have them and they had them twenty first and Kentucky,

531
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 4>as you said, was twenty third. But people who covered

532
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.680
<v Speaker 4>the se see they were talking Florida early in the year.

533
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it just depends.

534
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't know how people really missed it.

535
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>The two guys coming back with Clayton and Richard and

536
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>then Elijah Martin was an absolute stud and winter at you.

537
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>But that's all right.

538
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<v Speaker 4>He is Aaron Gershaan as the Cat's Balls. We'll come

539
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.240
<v Speaker 4>back and talk more with Aaron on the other side

540
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<v Speaker 4>of the break here on six thirty WLAP Welcome back.

541
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<v Speaker 4>We're talking with Aaron Gershaan of the Cat's Pause and

542
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 4>he's been working, of course on Kentucky basketball, football, baseball.

543
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 4>By the way, James McCoy anders the portal, you've got

544
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.319
<v Speaker 4>a story on the website. A little bit of a

545
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<v Speaker 4>surprise maybe.

546
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<v Speaker 2>Not what do you think A little bit and a

547
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 2>little bit not like yeah, it's kind of it's kind

548
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, this year was a little weird

549
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 2>for him where he had his best season statistically lies

550
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 2>and again every time they you know, not coming what

551
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 2>happened against West Virginia, but everyone melted down in that one.

552
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Actually picked pretty darn well in those little relief appearances.

553
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 2>He had hit a two eight five era you know,

554
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 2>only I think twelve or thirteen innings, but still pretty

555
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 2>solid there, and you know, had hit two eighty six

556
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:11.599
<v Speaker 2>by far his best on the ear. But it was

557
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of weird where he was on the bench for

558
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.160
<v Speaker 2>a while and then he comes back into play first

559
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 2>base when they kind of gave up on Dylan Koon's

560
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>and you know, maybe they should have played Hudson Brent.

561
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.039
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of a kind of a weird year

562
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.359
<v Speaker 2>with him where you know, he boo chins and he's

563
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>still being counted on at a relief at some points

564
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 2>and probably you know, going into his last year, going

565
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 2>somewhere where he has a more established, clear cut role,

566
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know it's going to be this this is

567
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 2>the first off seasons where it's going to be so

568
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>interesting to see what happens in the sense that Kentucky

569
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>has so much talents coming back. But now we're really

570
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, two years ago, you could have said the

571
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>same going into the twenty twenty four year, and yes,

572
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.559
<v Speaker 2>the portal was active, but now it's now you're seeing

573
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.319
<v Speaker 2>the warcats come out and teams with no rules coming

574
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.640
<v Speaker 2>in and throwing all these dollars out. And you know,

575
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you can't tell me that the LSUS the Mississippi States

576
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 2>of the world are not going to be coming after

577
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Bell and coming after you know, Ryan Schwartz and

578
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Hudson Brown and Ben Cleaver like they Kentucky has some

579
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.759
<v Speaker 2>really darn good players that are half the return next year,

580
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know it's gonna be really interesting and hopefully

581
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 2>they can keep all of them. Because if they keep

582
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.240
<v Speaker 2>all of them, and even if they keep the vast

583
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>majority of them, I think Minion what he said in

584
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>his press conference is not far off. Like if they

585
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>do the if they make the moves they have to

586
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 2>make in the portal to you know, they're gonna need catching.

587
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>They have no castres on next year's roster. They're gonna

588
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 2>need to address the bullten issues that kill them this year.

589
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna need probably one more starting picture. But if

590
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>they do all that and then bring back what they have,

591
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 2>like it's a top ten roster. It really is. I mean,

592
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>just based on the returning talent and how they performed

593
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.000
<v Speaker 2>this last year. But it's gonna be really hard to

594
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>keep the Tyler Bells, the Hudson Browns and Ryan Schwartz

595
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Ben Clee. Like, this is going to be the first

596
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of test for Kentucky baseball in their NIL situation.

597
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 2>And I think all fans and media like are curious

598
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 2>to see how this thing goes.

599
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 4>So you anticipate a bidding war.

600
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how could he not. I mean Tyler Bensley,

601
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 2>guy that was the sixty sixth pick in the draft,

602
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, just last year, and he performed. I mean,

603
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 2>he was a three hundred hitter, he was all SEC

604
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.519
<v Speaker 2>freshman team, you know, unfortunately had the knee injury, but

605
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 2>and take away that one, he had his you know,

606
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>learning curves as short but overall really darn good there

607
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 2>as well. And you know he's a guy who's just

608
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>gonna get better and better. He's probably on his way

609
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 2>to becoming a first round pick one day. And yeah,

610
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>you can't tell me that the lss of the world

611
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:43.200
<v Speaker 2>are not And I'm not just I'm just saying all

612
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 2>too because I know what the type of baseball war

613
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.599
<v Speaker 2>chests they have. But even like Arizona State, they have

614
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.519
<v Speaker 2>a ton of money they pour into baseball. Mississippi State

615
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>now with a new head coach, starting a new era

616
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 2>like Texas, I mean what they were able to do

617
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 2>this year. I know they did disappointing end there in

618
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 2>the tournament. A lot of teams in the SEC did,

619
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I would expect it's going to be uncomfortable

620
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.759
<v Speaker 2>for Mgione and this staff.

621
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.680
<v Speaker 4>There are a lot of teams would see what they

622
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 4>can do.

623
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh of course, yeah, you're already seeing it. I mean,

624
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, Western Kentucky just had an outstanding there and

625
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.159
<v Speaker 2>their best, best handful players already hit the portal. And

626
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure Murray State did you see there's a

627
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 2>screenshot going around how Murray State's roster if you go

628
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>on their website, the website during the old miss game

629
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>crashed really like all right, how many coaches are on

630
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>there going through the roster tampering here. So that's just

631
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.039
<v Speaker 2>that's what happens. But you know Kentucky, yes they're in

632
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.119
<v Speaker 2>the SEC, and yes they've made the tournament three years

633
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>in a row, gone to a College World Series. They

634
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.320
<v Speaker 2>just still don't have the work chefs that some of

635
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>these other schools do. That some of these other schools do,

636
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.559
<v Speaker 2>and that's what's going to make it really tough to

637
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.000
<v Speaker 2>obtain all these really really good players they have to

638
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:52.400
<v Speaker 2>come back.

639
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but with a rule change. Is one big plus

640
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:58.360
<v Speaker 4>for Kentucky is full scholarships now, I mean.

641
00:34:59.119 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Been a huge show.

642
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.239
<v Speaker 4>Eleven point seven scholarships. Yeah, done. Ridiculous rule that they

643
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:09.039
<v Speaker 4>held a lot of programs back for many years and

644
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 4>now that's not the case anymore. So even kids, even

645
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 4>kids who might leave for a third of a scholarship

646
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 4>or you know, room aboard or book money or whatever,

647
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:20.719
<v Speaker 4>now they can stick around because mom and dad don't

648
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 4>have to write that big check.

649
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 2>That's right. And that's why you're seeing all these mid

650
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>majors or you know, not even necessarily mid majors, but

651
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 2>team like three seeds and two seeds and these regionals

652
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.679
<v Speaker 2>win because those playing fields are so level between that

653
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and the portal, I mean, and these teams are so old.

654
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, like I almost I think college

655
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>baseball is growing and that makes me really happy, but

656
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.639
<v Speaker 2>like I don't feel like it's being talked enough. Like

657
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 2>what Murray State what And I know Louisville won the

658
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 2>reasionable right state knocking out Vanderbilt UTSA beating Texas like that. Yeah,

659
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.360
<v Speaker 2>like all those things, like they're not being talked about enough,

660
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 2>because it's an amazing story to show you how much

661
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.199
<v Speaker 2>this field has been leveled like this. You could never

662
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>have thought any of this would happen five years ago.

663
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.480
<v Speaker 2>But now you're sitting here going in to Supers and

664
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the number one and two teams in the country are

665
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 2>gone towards you. The seven overall seat is gone, like

666
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>some power power programs with a lot of money being

667
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 2>knocked off by teams with not nearly as much money,

668
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 2>but they're able to put their full team on scholarship

669
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and clean up in the portal when all the big

670
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:26.280
<v Speaker 2>big names are help.

671
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.079
<v Speaker 4>And you know what, Nil rolled around. A lot of

672
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 4>people looked at Coastal Carolina, which won the World Series

673
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 4>within the last decade, So that'll never happen again. Now

674
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, you can't really say that, can you?

675
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>No?

676
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.960
<v Speaker 2>And look at Coastal they hosted and now they're in

677
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 2>the Supers. Yeah, like I mean, perfect example. Yeah, it

678
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.760
<v Speaker 2>is happening, and I mean you have again Utsa, Murray

679
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 2>State's and the Super It's it's great, it's great for

680
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.119
<v Speaker 2>the sport, but it's just not being talked about enough.

681
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Just that scholarship change is huge. I think that's part

682
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>of the reason Kentucky has gotten things back on track

683
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.599
<v Speaker 2>a bit. And it will help them, you know, in

684
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>these in these transfer portal battles. But at the end

685
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>of the day, man, it's gonna be it's gonna be

686
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>a big test. I genuinely like, I don't really have

687
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 2>a good feel of what these baseball kids are able

688
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>to pay. These guys, I just I'm sure just don't

689
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>have a good feel. I think this will be a

690
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>good learning curve for all of us to see what

691
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 2>help they need. It will be a good message for everybody.

692
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.639
<v Speaker 4>Well whatever happens Aaron Gershaw and his pals that the

693
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 4>cast Balls will be covering it. And you can follow

694
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 4>Aaron on Twitter at a gersha in ninety nine. Thank

695
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.719
<v Speaker 4>you sir, and we'll talk to you next week anytime.

696
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 4>And Aaron brings up a great point about the bidding

697
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 4>war coming up. Yeah it's tampering, sure it is, but

698
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 4>unless a coach calls a player, technically it's not tampering.

699
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 4>But again we bring up to the eleven point seven.

700
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 4>If you didn't know, you've got basketball teams with what

701
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 4>thirteen skollies, women's basketball gets, fifteen, football eighty five whatever

702
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 4>it is. Baseball forever has said eleven point seven scholarships. Now,

703
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 4>if your school has programs involving grants where you can

704
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.239
<v Speaker 4>go out and get a kid with certain types of

705
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 4>grant money, then you can. You could in the past,

706
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:24.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, add that to your recruiting budget. Basically, not

707
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 4>every school can do that, and now and Kentucky did

708
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.519
<v Speaker 4>it somewhat, but not nearly as much as others. They

709
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.840
<v Speaker 4>weren't able to. But now you don't have to worry

710
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 4>about that because the rules are changing the total number

711
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 4>of scholaries. Baseball can be fully funded in terms of schollies.

712
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.039
<v Speaker 4>You got to cut down and do away with walk ons,

713
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.440
<v Speaker 4>but you've also got the nil dollars figuring in. So

714
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:50.880
<v Speaker 4>I know athletic administrators don't like to call it the

715
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.960
<v Speaker 4>wild West, but give me a better term and I'll

716
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 4>use it. Our number two is Sean Woods and Gary

717
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.519
<v Speaker 4>Moore next done six thirty WLP.

718
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:55.599
<v Speaker 6>In any type set such statute anything.

719
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<v Speaker 4>On welcome back to the Big Blue and Sider. Each Wednesday,

720
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 4>we chavel our unforgettable guard Sean Woods. His jersey hangs

721
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.280
<v Speaker 4>in the rafters of rup And before we talk about

722
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.639
<v Speaker 4>high school and collegeball coach, we need to talk about

723
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 4>the NBA. Your beloved Indiana Pacers will play for a championship,

724
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 4>but one of the victims of their success is a

725
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 4>fellow coach, Tibbs, the head coach Tom Thibodeau for the Knicks.

726
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:23.519
<v Speaker 4>He gets fired after coaching his team to fifty wins

727
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:27.119
<v Speaker 4>in their first appearance in the Eastern Conference Final in

728
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 4>more than two decades. I know you're a Pacers fan,

729
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 4>but as a professional coach man, you got a feel

730
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 4>for that guy, don't you.

731
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I sure do. That's the nature of our business, especially

732
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 1>in the NBA. I mean, you know, it's just I

733
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know, these gms, and sometimes players can

734
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>get tired of, you know, because I can see Tibbs,

735
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, who's a real stickler for defense and playing

736
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>tough and things like that. You know, coaches nowadays, you know,

737
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 1>saying they wear on guys like that, you know, especially

738
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>at that level. I don't know if that's it or

739
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>of the management things that he took him as far

740
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 1>as he could take them, you know. I mean, look

741
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 1>what they did at Dwayne Casey years ago at at Toronto,

742
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, coach of the year, and he got fired,

743
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, and Tim is one of the best coaches

744
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 1>in the NBA.

745
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you know, I do remember reading though, when

746
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 4>he coached the Bulls, and he, to your point, he

747
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of wore on the players, and you know, he

748
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 4>can't fire all the players, so they fired the coach.

749
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 4>But they weren't winning. I guess that's what's surprising. Generally,

750
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 4>when you're winning, everybody's happy, of course, but when he

751
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.000
<v Speaker 4>got fired and I tweeted this, you know, and I've

752
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.440
<v Speaker 4>said this before, you're basically punishing somebody. Everybody's mad, and

753
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.159
<v Speaker 4>you got to punish somebody. And they're not going to

754
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 4>punish the players because they all have contracts, so it's

755
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.159
<v Speaker 4>easier to punish the coach. Is that too simple?

756
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>That's the that's the easiest way to go.

757
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But like you said, there's oftentimes more that goes

758
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 4>on behind the scenes. But I think a lot of

759
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.400
<v Speaker 4>it too was they people complained, media fans, he didn't

760
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 4>play enough people, meaning you know, his roster wasn't what

761
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.000
<v Speaker 4>it might have been, and that's front office stuff. So

762
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 4>bringing it to your level college and high school, you know,

763
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.639
<v Speaker 4>you can't just rely on five or six guys. That's

764
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 4>pretty obvious, right, right, So what do you do? What

765
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 4>do you do as a coach. I mean, he's got

766
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.159
<v Speaker 4>to depend on a GM to go out and hire guys.

767
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 4>But at your level high school, in college, how do

768
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 4>you avoid that?

769
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean you got to develop that roster, right, I

770
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>mean in high school it's nothing but development because you know,

771
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>you're not supposed to recruit things like that, so you

772
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you're really just coaching what's coming in your hallways year

773
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.639
<v Speaker 1>and year out without any choice. And you got to

774
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, hopefully you get a good crop in, you know,

775
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 1>and the stays that even flow. But that's not that's

776
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>not or or or. You know, it'd be the same

777
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.280
<v Speaker 1>teams winning the state championship and.

778
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>So on and so forth every year.

779
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.559
<v Speaker 1>So that's what that's the beauty of high school basketball.

780
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:14.119
<v Speaker 1>But then college you are in control for for for

781
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the most part, of who you bring in. You know,

782
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>you're the guy who went out recruit, but you got

783
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 1>to you know, it's so competitive. You got to beat

784
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 1>other guys out for talent and hopefully you brought in

785
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:25.760
<v Speaker 1>more talent than they did, and then you can be

786
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.199
<v Speaker 1>able to do it. You know, that fits what you

787
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 1>do as a coach, That allows you to be better

788
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.199
<v Speaker 1>than the other team even though they did recruit more

789
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.559
<v Speaker 1>talent or better talent than you. So it's kind of different.

790
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.719
<v Speaker 1>But as an NBA guy, you're stuck unless you the

791
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>GM and the coach or you got a lot of

792
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>school and and and decision making. You know, you you

793
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 1>doing what you know. Sometimes a player show up and

794
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.719
<v Speaker 1>you don't even know that there was a trade man

795
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.639
<v Speaker 1>done until the player gets there. So you know that's

796
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.559
<v Speaker 1>that's a heck of a feeling right there, you know

797
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Special got things going, yeah, and you know, yeah,

798
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 1>it's tough.

799
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 4>Speaking of roster development, you and I talked about this

800
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.840
<v Speaker 4>right after you got the job at Scott County High School.

801
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 4>Your crosstown rival wins the state great crossing with the

802
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 4>core of players, Sean, as you pointed out, who have

803
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Speaker 4>been together since middle school, which anymore, it seemed like

804
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 4>that used to be the case. Kids grew up, same neighborhood,

805
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 4>same middle school, same AAU team all the way through

806
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 4>high school. It seems like anymore that's not even possible,

807
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.280
<v Speaker 4>or they're just doing things differently. You've got so much

808
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 4>movement now, and you covered high school basketball all year

809
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.400
<v Speaker 4>on TV side, and you saw teams that have, well

810
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.199
<v Speaker 4>this kid was at this school last year and the

811
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.159
<v Speaker 4>year before somewhere else. Uh do you think we'll ever

812
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 4>get back to routinely seeing teams with the core of talent,

813
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.519
<v Speaker 4>of kids who have played together for most of their

814
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 4>careers or has that gone forever?

815
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Eight things are right now, it's gonna be tough. I mean,

816
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 1>look at Florida, who had you know, just come off

817
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:11.639
<v Speaker 1>a run final full run and you know their guy

818
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>who probably is gonna be starting this year, who's a

819
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:18.159
<v Speaker 1>six man last year, left to come to Kentucky. Yeah,

820
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean social media, you know, high dollar

821
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's changed the game, and you know,

822
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know when it's gonna stop. You know what

823
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. I mean, because these kids have so much

824
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:38.320
<v Speaker 1>leverage and so much freedom to either demand money or

825
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.559
<v Speaker 1>go search for it, and then they can leave with

826
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 1>no nothing.

827
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.719
<v Speaker 4>And it's not quite the same in the high school ranks.

828
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.239
<v Speaker 4>But indirectly it is because well, if I can leave

829
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 4>this team go to that team, I got a shout

830
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 4>at the scholarship, you know, with nil benefits that maybe

831
00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't get over here or is that too? Is

832
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 4>that all simplifying or is that what's happening?

833
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Say it again now.

834
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 4>They it seems like on the high school level you

835
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 4>don't have nil directly. But what I'm thinking, what it

836
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 4>looks like is kids might be thinking, well, I'm going

837
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.880
<v Speaker 4>to transfer even though I've been with this group for

838
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 4>so long, because if I go to this school over here,

839
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.800
<v Speaker 4>maybe I get a scholarship and I can cash in,

840
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean?

841
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean most of these kids now look

842
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>at the state of Kentucky. People are running the prep

843
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>schools now because prep schools are playing money. And then

844
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you get hooked up with an agent. I mean you

845
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>got high school kids that have agents.

846
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 4>Now, are you serious?

847
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh oh? Man, Like you know what I'm saying,

848
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that's going to prep school and things like that to

849
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 1>have agent.

850
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:50.679
<v Speaker 4>Wow, I mean an agent, agent, not just a friend

851
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:52.079
<v Speaker 4>of the family or something like that.

852
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>No agent, agent. They're going down to the high school ranks.

853
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean, yes, how do you deal

854
00:47:59.280 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 3>with that man?

855
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 4>As a head coach?

856
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:03.440
<v Speaker 1>How do you deal with it?

857
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:04.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

858
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the land of land, you know what

859
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, all these coaches got to deal with it.

860
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.119
<v Speaker 1>And what these college coaches are doing are hiring people

861
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to deal with this so they don't have to.

862
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Deal with it.

863
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think back to when Cali Perry first got

864
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 4>here and brought in John Wall DeMarcus Cousins, and the

865
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 4>word was that, at least for Wall, Roy sweet ol'

866
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:32.039
<v Speaker 4>roy over North Carolina didn't want to deal with John

867
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 4>Wall's people, and apparently Cali Perry was pretty good at that.

868
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:39.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, I mean is that happening everywhere now?

869
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, because there's so many people involved with these kids,

870
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and everybody's got their hand out and demands. You know,

871
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.360
<v Speaker 1>these people are telling coaches how they want them to

872
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 1>play their kid. You know what I'm saying, Like he

873
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's a pro, so he's got to get

874
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.079
<v Speaker 1>this many shots. You know, he's got to start, he's

875
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 1>got to play these many minutes. You know, you got

876
00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 1>to make sure if he's a guard and you putting

877
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.119
<v Speaker 1>him in pick a roll situation so he can show

878
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 1>the pros what he needs to do. You know, I'm

879
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 1>sure like old way, you know, he went to the

880
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Combines and you know, got an evaluation of what he

881
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:13.639
<v Speaker 1>needs to work on us and improve his draft status.

882
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 1>So what do you think he's gonna do when he

883
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 1>comes back to Kentucky he wants to take you know,

884
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.800
<v Speaker 1>he's I'm sure his people told Mark this is what

885
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 1>they're looking for, this is what he needs to be

886
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.320
<v Speaker 1>doing the show that he's worthy to build the NBA.

887
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, mid first round of late

888
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>first round draft pick. So how is his mentality going

889
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to change when he comes back? You see what I'm saying.

890
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.199
<v Speaker 1>I gonna be the same old way, all bought in

891
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 1>humble or is he gonna come in with a chip

892
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 1>on the shoulder saying, you know, as a prima donna

893
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 1>like you need me. You know, I played this good

894
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.400
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the year, So now I got

895
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to show these guys that I can do this and that.

896
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 1>And it may be against what Mark is doing well.

897
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.679
<v Speaker 4>And as a guy, I'm sure And you've talked. You

898
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 4>and I have talked at length about parents, not just

899
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 4>after you got the head coaching job at Scott County.

900
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:02.440
<v Speaker 4>But you may have already heard from people, but I'm

901
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 4>sure you probably will as a as a head coach

902
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:09.440
<v Speaker 4>at the high school level from parents who mean well.

903
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:13.199
<v Speaker 4>They all mean well, but you know they want their

904
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:17.760
<v Speaker 4>kid to be used the best possible way to show

905
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.000
<v Speaker 4>off their talents. How do you deal with that?

906
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I just tell them, Look, you know, with my experience,

907
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, being a college basketball coach, coming down to

908
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.920
<v Speaker 1>high school, I was the guy who was recruiting them,

909
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 1>so I know what they're looking for.

910
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:32.119
<v Speaker 4>One.

911
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Two, you know my relationships with everybody in college basketball.

912
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:39.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, I can help you get to where you

913
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:41.280
<v Speaker 1>need to get to between on what level you are.

914
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.679
<v Speaker 1>And then three, we're going to work like a college

915
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, So you're going to be You're going to

916
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:48.559
<v Speaker 1>know what college basketball is all about from a from

917
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.280
<v Speaker 1>a working standpoint, you know what I mean. So that's

918
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.079
<v Speaker 1>what I bring to the table. And then you know,

919
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 1>I've got you know, over twenty some guys playing professional

920
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.840
<v Speaker 1>basketball too, played in the NBA, So I think I

921
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:02.400
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm doing a little bit, and that gives

922
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 1>me a little more credibility than most because I've been

923
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:06.599
<v Speaker 1>where they're trying to go.

924
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 4>Is Shawn Woods. He is the unforgettable guard whose Jersey

925
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.880
<v Speaker 4>hangs and the raptors of RUP and the head coach

926
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.159
<v Speaker 4>at Scott County High School. We'll come back and talk

927
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 4>more basketball in just a minute on the Big Blue

928
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Insider here on six thirty WLAP Welcome back. We're talking

929
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:25.239
<v Speaker 4>with Sean Woods, former Wildcat guard is Jersey hangs in

930
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.559
<v Speaker 4>the raptors of Rup, and of course he is the

931
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:29.719
<v Speaker 4>head coach at Scott County High School. We've been talking

932
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 4>about roster development coaches being hired and fired and dealing

933
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:38.159
<v Speaker 4>with agents and parents and things like that, and you know,

934
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:41.519
<v Speaker 4>the fact that you've got that experience is so key.

935
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 4>And I also wonder Sean, you and I have talked

936
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 4>before about the fact that you are a terrific point

937
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.440
<v Speaker 4>guard in college, one of the better point guards in

938
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 4>America really when you look at what Kentucky accomplished while

939
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:56.960
<v Speaker 4>you were there, and but as you pointed out, you

940
00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 4>were not a point guard in high school. You did

941
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 4>what your team needed you to do to win. Will

942
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 4>you share that or how much will you share that

943
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 4>with kids? Because that I think that's a great parable.

944
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, Well, I much I'll share

945
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 1>it every day, you know, and the style of play

946
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:18.840
<v Speaker 1>that I play, it's it allows everyone on my team

947
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 1>to show that they can dribble, pass and shoot. Everybody's

948
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 1>got to be a you know, be able to dribble,

949
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>pass and shoot with me. So that's what we work

950
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 1>on in individual workouts, you know, and player development because

951
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a seven footer, so everybody's a guard

952
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:34.239
<v Speaker 1>for the most part. So it's actually good for me

953
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, we may have a six two six y

954
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.400
<v Speaker 1>three center, but he's going to have guard tendencies to

955
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.800
<v Speaker 1>be able to you know, dribble pass and shoot, which

956
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.199
<v Speaker 1>allows my team to be more effective and more dangerous

957
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:50.199
<v Speaker 1>from a matchup situation because I can play five out

958
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 1>and and everybody's a threat. So you know, that's why

959
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's so fun to play for me

960
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 1>and watch our style of play because we play so

961
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:02.840
<v Speaker 1>fast and everybody will be able to dribble, pass and shoot,

962
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.400
<v Speaker 1>which allows us to play faster, more entertaining, and everybody's

963
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>having a good time instead of going down there and

964
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>one guy only can do this and one guy can

965
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 1>only do that. I've never liked to coach that way,

966
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 1>so you know, if you were a shooter, good, but

967
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.039
<v Speaker 1>most shooters don't play defense very much or they're not

968
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 1>great ball hounds. Well, that's where the school of Rick

969
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Patino comes in to play the Billy Donovans and things

970
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:29.000
<v Speaker 1>like that. The individual workouts to improve your skill level.

971
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.159
<v Speaker 1>So that's when I'm big on and that's what I'm

972
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:32.760
<v Speaker 1>going to be doing while I'm high school coaching at

973
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:33.679
<v Speaker 1>Scott count of High School.

974
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Do you have the time to do the individual workouts?

975
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.039
<v Speaker 4>Because I know what it was like for you guys

976
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 4>in college. Sometimes you had to report at six am

977
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 4>and then go to class and come back to practice

978
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:45.920
<v Speaker 4>things like that. But what about at the high school

979
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.199
<v Speaker 4>of it, because you're right, individual workouts were so key

980
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:49.920
<v Speaker 4>for you guys.

981
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, we're doing it right now. We try to

982
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 1>get up before school, get our workout in, and then

983
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 1>come back after school. So I try to, you know,

984
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.320
<v Speaker 1>put in place as close as I can, simularize as

985
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.000
<v Speaker 1>close as I can what the college level is. And

986
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, we do our waits in the morning sometimes

987
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.960
<v Speaker 1>or wait till the afternoon, but we try to go

988
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.800
<v Speaker 1>at least before and after just to maximize, you know,

989
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 1>because when they go to college, they're gonna have to

990
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 1>do that, you know what I'm saying. You know, you

991
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.840
<v Speaker 1>got you got your individual workouts and waits before before

992
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.079
<v Speaker 1>you go to class, and then you know, you get out,

993
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, practice at three thirty four o'clock and you

994
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:31.199
<v Speaker 1>got practice, you know, and you know that's what that's

995
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:33.159
<v Speaker 1>that's what we're doing, you know right now, And I'm

996
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 1>sure a lot of high school coaches are doing that.

997
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's the only way you can do it

998
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:41.000
<v Speaker 1>because from from eight fifty to three fifty, you know,

999
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 1>they're in school unless you have them in a study

1000
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.519
<v Speaker 1>hall or gym class or something like that that most

1001
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:48.360
<v Speaker 1>of your players are in that you can get some

1002
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff done that way too. So you know, there's ways

1003
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:52.599
<v Speaker 1>of skin. There's plenty of ways of skin a cat.

1004
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:53.760
<v Speaker 1>You just got to be creative.

1005
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.719
<v Speaker 4>You played a system that people know that was just

1006
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 4>wall to wall defensive pressure. People don't realize that you

1007
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:08.039
<v Speaker 4>guys probably pressed more than most of the teams that

1008
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:12.679
<v Speaker 4>followed at Kentucky. In fact, Bettino's championship team did not

1009
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.800
<v Speaker 4>press nearly as much as you guys because he didn't

1010
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 4>have to add so much talent there. You guys did

1011
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:21.800
<v Speaker 4>it just to kind of cover for the fact that

1012
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:26.400
<v Speaker 4>you didn't have a super deep, talented roster, but it worked.

1013
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:29.039
<v Speaker 4>Will we see that? Will we see that at Scott

1014
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:29.920
<v Speaker 4>County High School?

1015
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:30.440
<v Speaker 6>Yes?

1016
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.559
<v Speaker 1>You will, Yes, yes you will.

1017
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.400
<v Speaker 4>Now, how are you getting them? You guys had to

1018
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.679
<v Speaker 4>sell out, man, I mean, I know how hard it

1019
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:41.760
<v Speaker 4>was on you. I don't know for sure. I didn't

1020
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 4>do it, but I heard stories. You know, how do

1021
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 4>you sell that to high school kids?

1022
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're doing it right now, Dick. And it's hard.

1023
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 1>They're uncomfortable right now. God bless them. But when they

1024
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 1>when they get it, they're gonna understand. You know, you

1025
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>got it. In order to get somewhere you never been,

1026
00:55:58.039 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you got to do things you've never done. And right now,

1027
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:03.239
<v Speaker 1>that's that's where we are as a program. The program

1028
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>was so down when I took it over. You know,

1029
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 1>they only won six games last year. I'm around down.

1030
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:12.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, the confidence is down. So right now, all

1031
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing is building confidence, building a toughness from a

1032
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:22.719
<v Speaker 1>mental standpoint, and and and really demanding them to play

1033
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.800
<v Speaker 1>at a higher level than they've ever played before. And

1034
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:28.599
<v Speaker 1>they're uncomfortable right now. They're struggling a little bit. But

1035
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:30.400
<v Speaker 1>some of them are starting to get it and start

1036
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Speaker 1>to feel that they're getting better, and which that's what

1037
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 1>it's all about, you know what I mean. You know,

1038
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, right now I'm the bad guy because you know,

1039
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:41.519
<v Speaker 1>they I'm putting them in a situation they're not used to.

1040
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:44.880
<v Speaker 1>But they'll see it in the long run, how how

1041
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:47.440
<v Speaker 1>it's paid, how it's going to pay off, because they're

1042
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:50.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody's uncomfortable, you know what I mean. And

1043
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:52.159
<v Speaker 1>the talent level is not where I want it to

1044
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:54.320
<v Speaker 1>be right now, but it will be in a short

1045
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:56.480
<v Speaker 1>amount of time. But you know, you just got to

1046
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.320
<v Speaker 1>roll with what you got to roll with, and no

1047
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.960
<v Speaker 1>matter who it is, Like I got that from Coach Patino,

1048
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:04.079
<v Speaker 1>you got to figure out a way to maximize what

1049
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.159
<v Speaker 1>you got. And we're not talented enough right now to

1050
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.079
<v Speaker 1>just go head to head with somebody. We got to

1051
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.079
<v Speaker 1>create pace, We got to create our whole deal to

1052
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.280
<v Speaker 1>offset some of our deficiencies. And that's just to you know,

1053
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:19.559
<v Speaker 1>speed the game up, money the game, pressure the basketball

1054
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:23.960
<v Speaker 1>to create more more more possessions, uh, until we get

1055
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:26.320
<v Speaker 1>some size in athleticism. So that's yeah, we're gonna play

1056
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:29.039
<v Speaker 1>almost exactly the way. And you know, as well as

1057
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 1>I do. It's gonna be fun, it's gonna be nation.

1058
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1059
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, with with with the talent rosters that

1060
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:38.039
<v Speaker 1>we have, we're still gonna create, you know, keep teams uncomfortable.

1061
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.079
<v Speaker 1>And that's all I can, you know, all we can do.

1062
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.400
<v Speaker 4>Right now, I'll be making some trips to Georgetown to

1063
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.960
<v Speaker 4>see that. I'll let you go with this. Uh, in

1064
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:49.719
<v Speaker 4>terms of trying to convince, you know, coaching teaching these kids, uh,

1065
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.239
<v Speaker 4>today's kids, as we all know, they're all about screen time,

1066
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.920
<v Speaker 4>their phones, their iPads, their computers. Will you or have

1067
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:00.639
<v Speaker 4>you already pulled up perhaps some Kentucky basketball from back

1068
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.840
<v Speaker 4>in the shawn Woods era to show them, Look, we

1069
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:06.880
<v Speaker 4>beat Shaquille and Eland l s U playing this way.

1070
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:07.280
<v Speaker 4>You know.

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00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, I told the kid, I got a little point guard.

1072
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna be a sophomore, and you know he's trying

1073
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:16.400
<v Speaker 1>to find his way and he don't know how to

1074
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.400
<v Speaker 1>take me yet. And sometimes you got to be sarcastic

1075
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:21.000
<v Speaker 1>with these kids and tie them on the butt and

1076
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:24.760
<v Speaker 1>things like that. So I called him Scott Skoules. He

1077
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:26.559
<v Speaker 1>had no clue who Scott skous is.

1078
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh well I could see that, and I.

1079
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Said, well, go look him up. I said, go look

1080
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 1>him up, and then we'll talk about it tomorrow we'll.

1081
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Come back to practice.

1082
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 1>So I'm looking forward to seeing him today a little

1083
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.639
<v Speaker 1>bit of what he thought about Scott Skoules, and he's

1084
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:44.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna be you know, I said, it's a compliment. It's not.

1085
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Speaker 1>It's I'm not you know, it's a compliment. And Scott

1086
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:50.679
<v Speaker 1>Scouts was an Indiana guy, played at Plymouth High School.

1087
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Beat Gary Roosevelt, who's you know, a big time athletic

1088
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.039
<v Speaker 1>team out of Gary, Indiana. Uh, he beat him. They

1089
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.320
<v Speaker 1>went on to Michigan State and did a thing in

1090
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Michigan State and not Tey. He was to kill O'Neills

1091
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:05.599
<v Speaker 1>for first point go out. When he got to orlandos right,

1092
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:06.360
<v Speaker 1>played in pros.

1093
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then became a coach. So I want to

1094
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:12.159
<v Speaker 4>hear the rest of that story next week. All right, Okay,

1095
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.239
<v Speaker 4>all right, thanks coach, talk to you later.

1096
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:15.280
<v Speaker 1>All right.

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00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:18.400
<v Speaker 4>Dick Sean Woods is our unforgettable guard. We talked to

1098
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:22.400
<v Speaker 4>him each and every Wednesday scheduling permitted. And now, of

1099
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.320
<v Speaker 4>course as the head coach at Scott County High School,

1100
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 4>so we'll keep an eye on those Cardinals. Western Bureau

1101
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.480
<v Speaker 4>Chief Gary Moore is up next here on six thirty

1102
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.800
<v Speaker 4>WLAP Welcome back to the Big Blue and Cider. It

1103
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.760
<v Speaker 4>is Wednesday, and that means we look to the west,

1104
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 4>to our Westen Bureau Chief Gary Moore was on the

1105
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 4>West coast for many, many years, too many KLOS Radio,

1106
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.800
<v Speaker 4>too many, and now he's back in LA, the Louisville

1107
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:47.519
<v Speaker 4>area and he checks in every week.

1108
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:49.800
<v Speaker 7>Two guys in a six pack, you and me and

1109
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.519
<v Speaker 7>six things to talk about, six swigs as they were,

1110
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 7>and a first dick.

1111
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:54.440
<v Speaker 4>I will tell you that.

1112
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:59.679
<v Speaker 7>Somewhere up there, Johnny Reagan is still smiling, smiling about

1113
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:03.000
<v Speaker 7>what I Our hometown Murray State Racers capped off Monday

1114
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:04.039
<v Speaker 7>night in Oxford.

1115
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:05.320
<v Speaker 4>For the unfamiliar.

1116
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.360
<v Speaker 7>Johnny Reagan was a head baseball coach at Murray State

1117
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 7>for thirty six years. He won eleven OVC Championships. He

1118
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.880
<v Speaker 7>was chairman of the NCAA Baseball Committee, and is in

1119
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 7>the American Baseball Coaches Association Hall of Fame, among many

1120
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:22.840
<v Speaker 7>other halls. Full disclosure, though, my connection to the Racers

1121
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.559
<v Speaker 7>runs deeper than just that geography. Coach Reagan's family and

1122
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:28.519
<v Speaker 7>mine went to the same church and as an elementary

1123
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.199
<v Speaker 7>and middle school punk. I rode my Stingray bike to

1124
01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:34.079
<v Speaker 7>many a Murray State game was bat boy for many

1125
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:38.800
<v Speaker 7>a visiting team like let's see Purdue, Vandy, Brown, North

1126
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:43.639
<v Speaker 7>Dakota and so on. The Racers were called then the Thoroughbreds. Yeah,

1127
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.239
<v Speaker 7>in baseball, you remember that as long as coach Reagan

1128
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.920
<v Speaker 7>was there. And for this year's Murray State team to

1129
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:51.639
<v Speaker 7>reach its first ever Super Regional and to beat the

1130
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:55.280
<v Speaker 7>likes of old miss in Georgia Tech to accomplish it, Dick,

1131
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.480
<v Speaker 7>it feels like all those fields of dreams. I spent

1132
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:02.719
<v Speaker 7>many an afternoon upon finally coming Game one Racers Duke

1133
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:07.239
<v Speaker 7>Saturday afternoon in Durham one pm on ESPN U.

1134
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.360
<v Speaker 4>First time I ever went to the College World Series

1135
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:13.880
<v Speaker 4>was in nineteen eighty four. I was working down in Dallas,

1136
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:17.559
<v Speaker 4>and I did not know anything about Johnny Reagan. I

1137
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:19.800
<v Speaker 4>knew who he was, but I didn't know he was

1138
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.840
<v Speaker 4>a wheel in college baseball. And he was sitting right

1139
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:26.760
<v Speaker 4>there in the Primo seas he might have been the

1140
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:29.760
<v Speaker 4>Baseball Committee chairman at the time, surrounded by all these

1141
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:33.280
<v Speaker 4>people paying homage to him. I've talked to Keith Madison

1142
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 4>about Johnny Reagan many times, and yeah, he was the

1143
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:41.800
<v Speaker 4>man for so long at Murray State. And I remember

1144
01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:44.440
<v Speaker 4>the first time I did at Murray State baseball game

1145
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.119
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, they made a mistake here. It's just Thoroughbreds.

1146
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.280
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, for some reason he wanted him to be

1147
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.840
<v Speaker 4>called the Thoroughbreds and not the racers. And yeah, I

1148
01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:59.280
<v Speaker 4>mean somewhere he's smiling, and Buddy, I've covered baseball at

1149
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.400
<v Speaker 4>Ole Miss. To win a game there, oh, to win

1150
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:07.039
<v Speaker 4>a regional there is mean football is first at Ole Miss,

1151
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.880
<v Speaker 4>but baseball second, not basketball. It's tough. And they did it.

1152
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:14.400
<v Speaker 7>And get this, Murray scored forty two runs in those

1153
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.559
<v Speaker 7>four games in Oxford. They're just the tenth number four

1154
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:21.119
<v Speaker 7>seed to ever reach a super regional. Pretty cool stuff.

1155
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:25.119
<v Speaker 4>And beat UK earlier this year. Yeah, they did. Second,

1156
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:25.719
<v Speaker 4>Swig and Dick.

1157
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:27.480
<v Speaker 7>If you would have told me last week that Louisville

1158
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.639
<v Speaker 7>would be hosting a super regional this weekend, you know,

1159
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:32.639
<v Speaker 7>I don't think I would have been that surprised. I mean,

1160
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:34.199
<v Speaker 7>we talked about it last week. They're pitching and left

1161
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:36.280
<v Speaker 7>a lot to be desired going under the Vandy Regional.

1162
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:38.559
<v Speaker 7>But you know, the Cards had already beaten Vandy, and

1163
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:41.440
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't that worried about Wright State or East Tennessee.

1164
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:44.239
<v Speaker 7>We knew they could hit. But check out the pitching

1165
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.840
<v Speaker 7>stats from last weekend. Twenty seven innings from the starters

1166
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.599
<v Speaker 7>or all the pitchers, and they just had ten hits, allowed,

1167
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.519
<v Speaker 7>only four earned runs, forty three k's with a three

1168
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:56.920
<v Speaker 7>to zero record. That's a kind of performance you definitely

1169
01:02:56.920 --> 01:03:00.000
<v Speaker 7>want this time of year. So starting Friday three o'clock

1170
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.920
<v Speaker 7>ESPN two, it sold out Patterson Stadium, the Cards host

1171
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:06.320
<v Speaker 7>of Miami and acc foe they did not play this year.

1172
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.280
<v Speaker 7>The Canes are thirty four and twenty five overall, Cards

1173
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:12.519
<v Speaker 7>are thirty eight and twenty one, but Louisville's twenty seven

1174
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 7>and seven at home, So give me the car Ds

1175
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.639
<v Speaker 7>to reach their sixth trip to Omaha. Who do you

1176
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:19.239
<v Speaker 7>like in this one?

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01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:23.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, if they're pitching is up to snuff now.

1178
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:27.039
<v Speaker 4>But here's the thing again. They played Kentucky twice. You know,

1179
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:31.280
<v Speaker 4>I got a chance to eyeball them twice and Kentucky loses.

1180
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:35.039
<v Speaker 4>Stop me if you've heard this one. A one run game,

1181
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:37.360
<v Speaker 4>a walk off in the tent of Louisville. But that

1182
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.760
<v Speaker 4>game is played in like sub thirty degree weather. When

1183
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:45.800
<v Speaker 4>they played again, Kentucky beat Louisville seventeen to five, run

1184
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.199
<v Speaker 4>ruled them, and I thought, what has happened to Louisville's pitching?

1185
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:52.840
<v Speaker 4>And again you never can't quite tell with the midweek,

1186
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:56.559
<v Speaker 4>But as you know, in the postseason, it's about everybody,

1187
01:03:56.599 --> 01:04:00.239
<v Speaker 4>not just the starters, it's the entire staff because comes

1188
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.960
<v Speaker 4>down to pitching depth. And evidently Louisville got healthy, and

1189
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.159
<v Speaker 4>I give him a real chance like you do. Third Swig.

1190
01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:09.360
<v Speaker 7>Then, of course, as you just mentioned, we've got your

1191
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:14.000
<v Speaker 7>alma mater u ofk and mine Wku. Dick has been

1192
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 7>three days now, and that sting of blowing not one

1193
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:19.679
<v Speaker 7>but two five run leads against West Virginia Sunday, it

1194
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.239
<v Speaker 7>still hasn't really worn off for me. You score twelve runs,

1195
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:25.920
<v Speaker 7>you gotta wine Murray prove that the next night. But

1196
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's like you said, the same story you

1197
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 7>saw and you called all seasonally, this time losing the

1198
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:35.760
<v Speaker 7>leads in the most heart wrenching form ever. Stats guru

1199
01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 7>Corey Price tweeted Sunday night was UK's twelfth lost this

1200
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:44.920
<v Speaker 7>season by just one skinny Measley run but you know,

1201
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.920
<v Speaker 7>Nick had to replace practically every key member of last

1202
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.559
<v Speaker 7>year's World Series team. So hats off for me anyway

1203
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.440
<v Speaker 7>for even getting to the regional to begin with. So

1204
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:57.000
<v Speaker 7>I ask you, now, what our priorities one, two, and three?

1205
01:04:57.519 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 4>Pitching?

1206
01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:01.440
<v Speaker 7>Pitching and more pitching, especially on the back end.

1207
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:05.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's got to be. But the good news is

1208
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:09.079
<v Speaker 4>that the best players for the most part on this

1209
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:12.119
<v Speaker 4>team are the young guys. You know, your Tyler Bells,

1210
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:16.159
<v Speaker 4>your Ryan Schwartzez, your Hudson Brown's, people like that. You know,

1211
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.760
<v Speaker 4>I mentioned this earlier, but they're losing James McCoy, a veteran.

1212
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:23.119
<v Speaker 4>He's in the portal, you know, which is not that surprising,

1213
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:25.519
<v Speaker 4>but you know, he had his best year this year.

1214
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:29.119
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, you got to have arms, there's no question

1215
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.920
<v Speaker 4>about that, especially in the SEC. But when the house

1216
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:36.599
<v Speaker 4>settlement comes down, you know, and then the scholarships are

1217
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.880
<v Speaker 4>a little more spread out, Kentucky needs to get aggressive,

1218
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:41.599
<v Speaker 4>and I think it will. But that's one thing minji

1219
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:46.960
<v Speaker 4>On has done lately really well, is use the portal

1220
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:52.400
<v Speaker 4>and build with parts and elements that he believes need

1221
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:55.960
<v Speaker 4>to be landed for his style of play, you know,

1222
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:59.079
<v Speaker 4>And you can argue and I go crazy when they

1223
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.039
<v Speaker 4>make the third out of third base and that kind

1224
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:05.000
<v Speaker 4>of stuff. But since he really changed the way he

1225
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:09.679
<v Speaker 4>does business, they've known nothing but success forth Swig.

1226
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:12.079
<v Speaker 7>You know, I've had a lot of people either email

1227
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 7>me or text or call, Hey, what happened to your toppers?

1228
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.000
<v Speaker 7>Thought they were supposed to be so great?

1229
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:17.079
<v Speaker 4>Hey?

1230
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:20.159
<v Speaker 7>Look paraphrase coach John Wooden. Their pitching needed to be

1231
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:22.239
<v Speaker 7>at its best when its best was needed, and it

1232
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:26.239
<v Speaker 7>just was not. And that especially hurt considering Western was

1233
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.840
<v Speaker 7>third the nation in ERA coming into Oxford. Their two

1234
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.719
<v Speaker 7>best pitchers that gave up four and three runs in

1235
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:36.039
<v Speaker 7>the first two innings respectively against Georgia Tech and Old

1236
01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:39.039
<v Speaker 7>Miss ended up losing nine to two and eight to six.

1237
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:40.599
<v Speaker 7>It's hard to get in a hole that early in

1238
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.599
<v Speaker 7>some of these games unless your Murray State just hit

1239
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:45.119
<v Speaker 7>your way out of it. You know, they had no

1240
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 7>home runs in that game on Monday night when he

1241
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:48.280
<v Speaker 7>scored twelve runs.

1242
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.559
<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's a side note.

1243
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:54.320
<v Speaker 7>In the Conference USA Tournament, Western gave up nineteen runs

1244
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 7>in four games. I was well above their three point

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01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.679
<v Speaker 7>three five ERA, so some cracks were already appearing before

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01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.039
<v Speaker 7>they got to Oxford. But hey, hell of a season

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01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:05.079
<v Speaker 7>in BG right forty six wins, second most in school history.

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01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:08.199
<v Speaker 7>That they got their first ever Conference USA title, first

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01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:10.440
<v Speaker 7>trip back to the regionals since two thousand and nine,

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01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.599
<v Speaker 7>and the highest national ranking ever WKU baseball history. They

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01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:17.079
<v Speaker 7>were number seventeen the week of April twenty second. So

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01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:20.559
<v Speaker 7>the standard has been the set. But as you know,

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01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.559
<v Speaker 7>and Nick and the Batcats know all too well, it's

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01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:26.000
<v Speaker 7>hard to repeat these banner years back to back.

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01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, especially now with a portal being in place. And

1256
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:30.880
<v Speaker 4>I got to think that there are gonna be some

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01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:34.559
<v Speaker 4>toppers who look around. There's inn al money out there.

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01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:37.519
<v Speaker 4>There's gonna be more scholar money, which will help Western

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01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Kentucky as much as anybody. But yeah, maybe baseball more

1260
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:46.480
<v Speaker 4>than any sport, although that's hard to quantify. Feels the

1261
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:50.440
<v Speaker 4>movement of these players, and yeah, that does break. It

1262
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:53.199
<v Speaker 4>has brought some parody, but it has made the rich

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01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:56.679
<v Speaker 4>get richer at the expense of schools like Western Kentucky.

1264
01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:59.639
<v Speaker 4>But it's always fun when a school jumps up and

1265
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:00.559
<v Speaker 4>as a like that.

1266
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:03.960
<v Speaker 7>Fifth swig when more baseball note dick over the weekend

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01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.400
<v Speaker 7>in Los Angeles, the twenty twenty four World Series rematch happened,

1268
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:10.320
<v Speaker 7>the Yankees and the Dodgers LA winning two out of three.

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01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 7>And I can tell you from all the years covering

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01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:14.840
<v Speaker 7>the Boys in Blue out there, that Yankees ticket is

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01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:18.920
<v Speaker 7>always the hottest ticket any year for Dodger fans. So

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01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.239
<v Speaker 7>you'd think that that was the case again last weekend, right,

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01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:25.640
<v Speaker 7>Not so fast, my friend down the five Freeway in Anaheim,

1274
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:29.039
<v Speaker 7>the Savannah Bananas sold out two nights at the Big

1275
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:32.119
<v Speaker 7>A lowest ticket price on StubHub for a pair of

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01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.960
<v Speaker 7>tickets for the Bananas two hundred and nine dollars fifty

1277
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:37.600
<v Speaker 7>two cents. How about a pair of Dodgers Yankees tickets

1278
01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:42.000
<v Speaker 7>lowest price won seventy one. Seventy two bananas were also

1279
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.560
<v Speaker 7>given the Royal Disneyland treatment, marching down Main Street with

1280
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:49.960
<v Speaker 7>Mickey Goofy and Donald Duck not the other done. In

1281
01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.159
<v Speaker 7>a great La Times story by Anthony Leon. Over the weekend,

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01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:56.640
<v Speaker 7>Banana's owner and ringmaster Jesse Cole, talked about going to

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01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:58.800
<v Speaker 7>Disney World when he was a kid and what that

1284
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.279
<v Speaker 7>emotional experience did for him. He said, quote, our success

1285
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:04.680
<v Speaker 7>is not judged by revenue. It's not judged by sales.

1286
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:08.319
<v Speaker 7>It's judged by the moments we create. How do we

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01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:13.239
<v Speaker 7>make someone feel something unquote selling out stadiums that their

1288
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:16.039
<v Speaker 7>regular tenants can't even sell out. Heals a lot of

1289
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:18.800
<v Speaker 7>magic memories to me. And they got some sellout dates

1290
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.359
<v Speaker 7>coming up here in Louisville in I think a few weeks.

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01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:24.960
<v Speaker 4>I just read a story about I think this was

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01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:28.680
<v Speaker 4>back in the sixties maybe or the late fifties when

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01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.640
<v Speaker 4>Phil Wrigley, who of course you know Wrigley Field, Rigley,

1294
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:36.640
<v Speaker 4>Dumb and all that, but based in California, realized that

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01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:41.800
<v Speaker 4>within one hundred mile radiance of LA nine thousand softball teams,

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01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 4>and a thousand of them were women's teams, and they

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01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:50.479
<v Speaker 4>incorporated those teams. They allowed them to use the old

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01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:53.199
<v Speaker 4>Wrigley Field out in LA back in the day and

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01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:56.279
<v Speaker 4>sold tickets and made a lot of money. I mean, yeah,

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01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:59.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think southern California is the perfect venue

1301
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.439
<v Speaker 4>or situations like that. You lived out there, you know

1302
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.920
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. Sure, but you know the banana ball

1303
01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:09.760
<v Speaker 4>you can see on ESPN Plus now they got their

1304
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:15.720
<v Speaker 4>own streaming network. It's incredibly entertaining. And I think I

1305
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.600
<v Speaker 4>may have told you this before, but Kentucky had a

1306
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:20.119
<v Speaker 4>picture on his staff. A guy from New Jersey, good dude,

1307
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:23.840
<v Speaker 4>Alex Degan. He was a six foot eight, well it

1308
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:26.439
<v Speaker 4>is six foot eight. Wanted to be an Air Force

1309
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:30.319
<v Speaker 4>pilot too tall, so transferred to Kentucky from Air Force.

1310
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:33.680
<v Speaker 4>And when he got out, or at least one summer,

1311
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:37.039
<v Speaker 4>he played for the Bananas and he told me he

1312
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.359
<v Speaker 4>enjoyed it. He said they want me back. I said,

1313
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:40.880
<v Speaker 4>he going to go. He goes. I'm not much of

1314
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:45.239
<v Speaker 4>a dancer, so you've really got to have all the

1315
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:46.600
<v Speaker 4>skills set to be a banana.

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01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:49.159
<v Speaker 7>You know who came back, John Lackey, who is a

1317
01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 7>two thousand and two World Series hero for the Angels,

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01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:54.159
<v Speaker 7>and he had a banana er he got, He pitched

1319
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.520
<v Speaker 7>and got a guy out, but they gave him a

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01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:57.119
<v Speaker 7>huge ovation.

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01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:57.800
<v Speaker 4>Done nice.

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01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:02.119
<v Speaker 7>Let's see here a sixth and final swig. Okay, you

1323
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.279
<v Speaker 7>can quote me on this. Anybody listening, make sure he

1324
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:05.079
<v Speaker 7>gets this message.

1325
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:05.640
<v Speaker 4>Message.

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01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:10.199
<v Speaker 7>Pat McAfee's a woos and a scaredy cat and a

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01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:13.600
<v Speaker 7>guy who just doesn't get it. Hard to believe McAfee

1328
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:15.880
<v Speaker 7>took enough hits to the hit while he's on special

1329
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:18.800
<v Speaker 7>teams in the NFL to affect his sanity for dissing

1330
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:21.840
<v Speaker 7>who's your musical legend numero Uno, John Mellencamp.

1331
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:23.840
<v Speaker 4>But it happened first.

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01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:26.319
<v Speaker 7>McAfee gets on the PA during that game four of

1333
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:30.079
<v Speaker 7>the Pacers Nicks game in Indy, uses all this profane

1334
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:32.600
<v Speaker 7>language to be rate the New York celebrities court side,

1335
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.479
<v Speaker 7>causing all the fans to boo the visitors. Then Mellencamp

1336
01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:39.199
<v Speaker 7>took to social media to apologize quote on behalf of

1337
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:43.640
<v Speaker 7>most Hoosiers for the poor behavior, calling it poor poor sportsmanship,

1338
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:46.880
<v Speaker 7>not hoo's your hospitality, to which McAfee, who, by the way,

1339
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:49.119
<v Speaker 7>John did not name as a culprit, but we all

1340
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:52.520
<v Speaker 7>knew who it was. McAfee said on his Teen Boys

1341
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.760
<v Speaker 7>show tell he told John to shut the f up

1342
01:11:55.920 --> 01:12:00.119
<v Speaker 7>and quote suck it, buddy, unquote. McAfee was invited to

1343
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:02.760
<v Speaker 7>New York and Madison Square Garden for the series game

1344
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:05.640
<v Speaker 7>five by Ben Stiller, who's one of the celebrities booed

1345
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:10.159
<v Speaker 7>there at game four, but McAfee chickened out. Madison Square Garden,

1346
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:13.239
<v Speaker 7>of course, is where many a snowflake like McAfee milks.

1347
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But when you jump into a situation like this,

1348
01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:23.039
<v Speaker 4>especially with the Knicks, and New York fans, you're all

1349
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:25.520
<v Speaker 4>the way in, whether you like it or not. And

1350
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:29.000
<v Speaker 4>you would think that by now because McAfee the moment

1351
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.720
<v Speaker 4>they put him on the air on ESPN, moved him

1352
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:36.000
<v Speaker 4>from podcast to on air, and again it's cable, you know,

1353
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:39.960
<v Speaker 4>immediately caught flak and you know they run that disclaimer

1354
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:43.600
<v Speaker 4>on his TV show and things like that. So it's

1355
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:46.520
<v Speaker 4>not like he doesn't know, not like he's not aware

1356
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.239
<v Speaker 4>of things like this every now and then. You've got

1357
01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:50.279
<v Speaker 4>to think before you speak.

1358
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:53.760
<v Speaker 7>Well, I guarantee you you know how conservative a state

1359
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:58.119
<v Speaker 7>Indiana is. They're gonna side. You put McAfee and Mellencamp together,

1360
01:12:58.239 --> 01:12:59.560
<v Speaker 7>they're gonna side with Mellencamp.

1361
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:02.479
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. And the thing is Melencamp,

1362
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:07.359
<v Speaker 4>as you know, is not a guy who's somewhere out

1363
01:13:07.399 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 4>there and says, oh yeah, I'm from Indiana. Oh. He

1364
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:12.640
<v Speaker 4>lives it. He does know. He's seen at Indiana games

1365
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:16.680
<v Speaker 4>all the time. He's always on it. Yeah, Kentucky Indiana

1366
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:20.239
<v Speaker 4>football games a long time ago. So yeah, you know,

1367
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:22.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm a fan of a lot more than just his music.

1368
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:24.039
<v Speaker 4>He's a tough guy.

1369
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:25.600
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if Mackie knows what he's getting the

1370
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:27.720
<v Speaker 7>ring with. But Mac John's a tough dude.

1371
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, beware. That is Gary Moore. He is our Western

1372
01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:33.800
<v Speaker 4>bureau chief. We'll come back with a couple of hot

1373
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:35.399
<v Speaker 4>reads in just a minute here on the Big Boon

1374
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:39.319
<v Speaker 4>Sider six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the Big bon Sider.

1375
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:41.960
<v Speaker 4>We're chatting with our Western Bureau chief, Gary Moore. We

1376
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:43.800
<v Speaker 4>have heard two guys in the six back time for

1377
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:47.439
<v Speaker 4>a couple of hot reds and Gary, a fun farewell

1378
01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:51.039
<v Speaker 4>to in rest in peace to Jim Marshall, who was

1379
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:54.760
<v Speaker 4>a great, great NFL player back in the sixties and

1380
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:59.680
<v Speaker 4>seventies yep, and was known for essentially two things, being

1381
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:04.159
<v Speaker 4>an NFL iron Man yep. And going the wrong way

1382
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:07.920
<v Speaker 4>with a fumble and returning his sixty six yards into

1383
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:11.000
<v Speaker 4>his own end zone for a safety. You know he

1384
01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:14.199
<v Speaker 4>got the wrong way tag. NFL films ranked him in

1385
01:14:14.199 --> 01:14:17.239
<v Speaker 4>the two thousands as the second best player not in

1386
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:19.520
<v Speaker 4>the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but Gary. When Brett

1387
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:24.199
<v Speaker 4>farre broke the iron Man record for consecutive regular season games,

1388
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.720
<v Speaker 4>he broke Jim Marshall's record. Not a QB, not a

1389
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 4>wide receiver, but a defensive Lineman two hundred and seventy

1390
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:38.760
<v Speaker 4>consecutive regular season games, and you gotta wonder, will we

1391
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:41.800
<v Speaker 4>ever see a guy like that again, a defender like that.

1392
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:45.640
<v Speaker 7>Not playing that long, that's for sure. Think about that

1393
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:49.000
<v Speaker 7>did not miss a game from nineteen sixty one to

1394
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:52.640
<v Speaker 7>seventy nine. And you know that's when guys were really

1395
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.039
<v Speaker 7>they're a lot dirtier, I think than they are now,

1396
01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.119
<v Speaker 7>getting away with lots more stuff. And like Richard Pryor

1397
01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:00.199
<v Speaker 7>said when we were talking about Jim Brown, you know

1398
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:02.399
<v Speaker 7>Jim Brown never missed a game either, he said. Nowadays

1399
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:05.279
<v Speaker 7>you got guys getting hurt in practice and.

1400
01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:07.560
<v Speaker 4>The purple people eaters.

1401
01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:11.720
<v Speaker 7>Do you remember Jim Marshall, Carl Eller, Alan Page, and

1402
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:13.439
<v Speaker 7>then you had Gary Larson for a few years, and

1403
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.640
<v Speaker 7>then Doug Sutherland came in after I think seventy four

1404
01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:17.319
<v Speaker 7>or something like that.

1405
01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:18.239
<v Speaker 4>But I love those guys.

1406
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:21.880
<v Speaker 7>I loved watching That's amazing stat You'll never see that again.

1407
01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:25.239
<v Speaker 4>By the way, Marshall wasn't the original wrong Way guy.

1408
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:28.439
<v Speaker 4>There was actually a player named Roy Regals, and he

1409
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:32.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, became known as wrong Way Regals. In college,

1410
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:35.159
<v Speaker 4>he played for the Cal Golden Bears. He returned a

1411
01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:39.720
<v Speaker 4>fumble into his own end zone, and after Marshall made

1412
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.399
<v Speaker 4>his mistake, he sent Marshall a note that said, welcome

1413
01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:45.359
<v Speaker 4>to the club, but he needs to be remembered for

1414
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:49.560
<v Speaker 4>a lot more than just that. Yeah, our second high rate.

1415
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:52.319
<v Speaker 4>I mentioned this earlier. I went through the list of

1416
01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.960
<v Speaker 4>guys who were in the College Football Hall of Fame ballot,

1417
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:59.399
<v Speaker 4>including Randall Cobb, who will get my vote. But well,

1418
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:03.000
<v Speaker 4>you talk of had a tough, tough list from which

1419
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.479
<v Speaker 4>to choose. However, I didn't know if it'll be this

1420
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:08.600
<v Speaker 4>year or whenever, but I think it's got to be

1421
01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:12.199
<v Speaker 4>a no brainer for Mike Leach. Oh yeah, they waive

1422
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:14.640
<v Speaker 4>the rule used to be a certain winning percentage for

1423
01:16:14.680 --> 01:16:18.079
<v Speaker 4>a coach. And of course he died suddenly, way too young.

1424
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:21.119
<v Speaker 4>But here's a guy who thanks a lot to how

1425
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:26.319
<v Speaker 4>Mummy revolutionized college football. Yeah, and you know, I don't

1426
01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:28.439
<v Speaker 4>care about wins and losses. That guy belonged to the

1427
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:30.000
<v Speaker 4>Hall of Fame, no question.

1428
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.399
<v Speaker 7>Look at his coaching tree, look at and I can't

1429
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:36.079
<v Speaker 7>help but think about the success that Jaden Daniels has

1430
01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:40.359
<v Speaker 7>had at Washington because of Cliff Kingsbury, who was a

1431
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.319
<v Speaker 7>Mike Leach player and part of that whole coaching tree.

1432
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:47.760
<v Speaker 7>Mike Leach's teams that unranked teams beat eighteen ranked teams

1433
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:50.720
<v Speaker 7>over the course of his year. I mean that besides

1434
01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:52.159
<v Speaker 7>all this stuff, and you covered him, you were there

1435
01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:55.159
<v Speaker 7>when he was doing great things with hal and you

1436
01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:57.159
<v Speaker 7>got to talk to the pirate. I mean, he's quite

1437
01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:59.760
<v Speaker 7>he's a fun individual as well. I think the percentage

1438
01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:02.439
<v Speaker 7>was six hundred and they lowered it down to five

1439
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:04.560
<v Speaker 7>ninety five winning percentage, but he should have been in

1440
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:07.000
<v Speaker 7>any way regardless of that. That's a crazy rule.

1441
01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:09.239
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know, I kind of get it. But

1442
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:11.119
<v Speaker 4>on the other hand, you know, you look at a

1443
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:15.520
<v Speaker 4>guy like Rich Brooks. University of Oregon football is what

1444
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:18.119
<v Speaker 4>it is because of Rich Brooks, right, you know, he

1445
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:20.079
<v Speaker 4>stayed there and they gave him the time to build

1446
01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:23.520
<v Speaker 4>that program. They play on Rich Brooks field for crying

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<v Speaker 4>out loud. But his one lost percentage isn't great because

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01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:29.600
<v Speaker 4>it took a while to build that program. And now

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01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:34.079
<v Speaker 4>if Oregon is not preseason top fifteen, there's something wrong.

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01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:37.880
<v Speaker 4>And that's because Rich Brooks did the groundwork, the dirty work,

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01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:40.399
<v Speaker 4>and they're all standing on his shoulders and a lot

1452
01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:44.399
<v Speaker 4>of people are standing on Mike Leach's shoulders right now.

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01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:47.640
<v Speaker 4>And when he died, I got Neil Price on the

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01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:50.760
<v Speaker 4>phone and I swapped stories with him. Now the Mississippi

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01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:54.159
<v Speaker 4>State playbo play voice, and he adored talking to Mike

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01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:57.560
<v Speaker 4>Leach is because they would talk about everything but football,

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01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:01.039
<v Speaker 4>both on and off the air. And we only got

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<v Speaker 4>to know Mike a little bit when he was here.

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<v Speaker 4>But I give how Mummy credit because he gave Leach

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<v Speaker 4>the title offensive coordinator. Mike Leach never called a play

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01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:14.279
<v Speaker 4>that can help build a game plan, coach the quarterbacks,

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01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:18.439
<v Speaker 4>but how Mummy called the plays. But Mummy knew that

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01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:22.079
<v Speaker 4>the rest of the country media born would look at

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01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:24.439
<v Speaker 4>Mike Leach and sure enough, Gary, you might remember this.

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01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:28.560
<v Speaker 4>When Kentucky was on TV, cameras would always find Mike

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01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:31.039
<v Speaker 4>Leach in a press box like they do with all coordinators,

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<v Speaker 4>right right, and you know there he is the offensive

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01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:36.720
<v Speaker 4>coordinator for this you know, air raid offense and all that.

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01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:40.399
<v Speaker 4>Now it was Mummy, but it helped Mike Leach move along.

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01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.800
<v Speaker 4>And when Oklahoma needed an OC, who did they hire Mike?

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01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:46.359
<v Speaker 4>I know? And what happened? They won a national title.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at the body of work.

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<v Speaker 7>Look how you just pointed it out with the hurry up, yeah,

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01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.359
<v Speaker 7>huddle kind of stuff. Yeah, go and get the defense

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01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:58.920
<v Speaker 7>back on their heels. A lot of people didn't want

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01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:02.000
<v Speaker 7>to change to that until they did. I see Nick Saban,

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01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:05.319
<v Speaker 7>see others that never liked that kind of stuff, you know.

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01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:08.199
<v Speaker 7>And then Chip Kelly you know, maxed it out as

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<v Speaker 7>well with Oregon.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so yeah, he belongs. He is Gary Moore. He

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01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:14.760
<v Speaker 4>is our west hamd BUA chief. We meet every week

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01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.720
<v Speaker 4>for a dose of six from Gary, and you can

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01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:19.680
<v Speaker 4>find him at.

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01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:24.439
<v Speaker 7>At nine five five Gary, same fabulous internet joint you're at.

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01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm at Big Blue Insider One. I got people paging me.

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01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:28.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna have to let you go.

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<v Speaker 7>I see it, erasers go, card see.

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<v Speaker 4>It and I'll do it for now. Thanks to my

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01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.920
<v Speaker 4>guest Gary Moore, Aaron Gershawn Sean Woods that said good

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01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.720
<v Speaker 4>night from the garage in Lexington.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the three two swung huh a pop Fowl's back here.

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<v Speaker 6>How ow wow.

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01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:49.880
<v Speaker 4>It really hit me. I didn't know it was coming

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01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:50.319
<v Speaker 4>back that.

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01:19:50.359 --> 01:20:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Far stact tact the.

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<v Speaker 6>Ship anything Canning letting down to Tim, don't do
