1 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:23,280 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,039 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,280 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:36,520 the Federalist dot com, follow us on exit FDRLST. Make 6 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,479 sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,520 course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:46,479 Our guest today is Cynthia Hughes, founder and director of 9 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,159 Patriot Freedom Project. Cynthia founded the Patriot Freedom Project to 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,280 support January sixth defendants and their families. Her nephew is 11 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:58,960 Tim Hale, one of the many j six political prisoners 12 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,159 spent two twenty three hours a day in solitary confinement 13 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,200 in the DC Gulag on trumped up charges again politically 14 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:13,239 driven charges over the last few years in this country. Cynthia, 15 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:15,200 thank you so much for joining us on this edition 16 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,439 of the Federalist Radio Hour. 17 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having me, and very happy 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:19,719 to be here with you. 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,079 Speaker 1: Yes, very glad to have you with us. And we 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,640 do intend to provide an update and where things stand. 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:31,239 But let's begin where unfortunately too many people are today 22 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,439 languishing in jails, in prison, some still awaiting to have 23 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,719 their day in court. As we record this, we're two 24 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:46,439 days away from Thanksgiving, where people, you know, we just 25 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:48,719 take for granted that we're going to be with our 26 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,920 family and friends and enjoy the time together. These folks 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,920 will not have that opportunity. How many people are still 28 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,920 languishing away in our prisons in America? 29 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear you ask this question and 30 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,159 to make that statement. So, you know, we have close 31 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,719 to sixteen hundred people in total that are caught up 32 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,039 in this mess. And of that number, we have a 33 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,719 little over three hundred people that are behind bars and 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,280 they're all you know, serving a sentence. And you know, 35 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,520 we in addition to that, we have people who are 36 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:29,800 facing you know, entry into prison because their case is 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,800 now adjudicated and they were sentenced. And on top of that, 38 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,719 you know, you still have a few people that have 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,280 not even gone to trial, who have not been convicted. 40 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:43,560 And so you know, switching gears now to you know, 41 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:49,000 to bring up the you know, the word pardon commutations. 42 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,199 I think our priority has to be the people that 43 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,439 are in jail right now, and I think our priority 44 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:57,080 after that needs to be the people that are facing jail, 45 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,520 people that are adjudicated, like my nephew Tim. They can 46 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,280 wait for their pardon. They had their time in court, 47 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,039 they did their time their home, they're with their family, 48 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,080 and we need to make sure that these men and 49 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:13,280 women who are behind bars right now, you know, are 50 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:15,719 with their family for the next holiday possible. 51 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: And you've got some good news on this. You've had 52 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:22,800 a historic meeting with the President elect, who has been 53 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:26,520 very public about this and his concern about people that 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,240 you know, and you'll note as well, I know you 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,159 have in the past. There are some people who broke 56 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:34,840 the law here. There's there's no doubt about that. There 57 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,159 are some there are some things that happened that should 58 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:39,599 not have happened. Things turned violent, there are things that 59 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:43,240 happened that shouldn't have happened because there were people in 60 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:46,560 positions of authority who should have known better as well. 61 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:50,240 Yet they've yet to be held accountable on that front 62 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,840 as well. This began as a protest, you know, a 63 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:57,879 peaceful demonstration at the Capitol on January sixth, two thy 64 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,400 twenty one. Because people will believe that the system was 65 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:06,960 rigged that the election was not fair for so many 66 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,000 different reasons. They had a right to be there, just 67 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:14,479 like we think about the protesters of twenty twenty who 68 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:21,199 were protesting, you know, violence against individuals in terms of 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:28,879 law enforcement, those things turned riotous. Those you could think 70 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,360 of those things as insurrections or call them insurrections because 71 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,759 they involved federal or government buildings, which is the definition 72 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:42,879 therein Yet you know the same sort of justice, let 73 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,920 us call it was not meeted out. But to the point, 74 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,120 the immediate point, how confident are you that there will 75 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,560 ultimately be justice for the people who have been serving 76 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:59,160 time or FaceTime unjustly. 77 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,439 Speaker 2: Well, you know, let me say this. There's a lot 78 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:05,759 of unpack and everything that you just said, but I 79 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:11,839 will I will start with this. Anybody that really follows 80 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:14,560 President Trump and supports President Trump, then you know that 81 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,279 President Trump is a man of his word. You know, 82 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,279 a president who keeps promises. So we've heard President Trump 83 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,839 speak candidly multiple times now that he will be looking 84 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:31,000 very closely at these defendants or hostage hostages as he 85 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:37,519 calls them for pardons. That being said, you know, you 86 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,079 and I I think we can agree on this after 87 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:42,839 what you just said, uh, there are some people that 88 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,399 went to the Capitol on that day and did very 89 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:51,480 bad things. And even though we know that this was 90 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:55,360 an orchestrated effort from Nancy Pelosi and you know, the 91 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:57,759 mayor of DC, and God only knows who else, and 92 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,160 hopefully we're going to know that, uh, you know, in 93 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:05,759 the coming year. You got to keep your head about yourself, right, 94 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:08,759 And even though we know that the police, you know, 95 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:11,360 they were spraying people that they kind of you know, 96 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,199 started this, if you will, I mean, people like look 97 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,839 at my nephew, you know, people like Tim people like 98 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:21,920 you know, Sandy Wayer, people like uh, you know, Tom Caldwell, 99 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,759 Ken Harrelson. I mean, I could go The list is long, 100 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,240 Kelly Megs, Jessica Watkins, I could go on and on. 101 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:30,480 They kept their head about themselves. They were there to 102 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:33,639 hear their commander in chief speak, they were there to protest, 103 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,040 you know, what they thought was a fraudulent election, and 104 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:42,480 they didn't get violent. So you got to wonder about 105 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,319 the people who did. I'm sure there are some people 106 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:51,920 that you know, we're we're reacting, and I know several 107 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:55,000 people who I've spoken to the family, even the defendant 108 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,600 who in fact, you know, didn't react to being sprayed 109 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,040 and and their skin burning and their eyes burning, and 110 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,800 you know, their mouth burning because they were sprayed. So, 111 00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:10,639 you know, tremendously with you know, the bear spread. But 112 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:14,439 I feel strongly that there's people that made the decision 113 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,240 that day to be violent, that came there would be 114 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:21,399 intent to be violent. And because of those people, hundreds 115 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:25,639 of people. Look at Julian Cater, you know, they're languishing 116 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,560 behind bars and they're suffering. I mean, poor Julian Cater 117 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,360 when you think about his story, I mean, this poor 118 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:34,360 kid is going to be hailed as a cop killer 119 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:36,680 for the rest of his life, and I don't know 120 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,120 if we're ever going to be able to make that 121 00:07:38,199 --> 00:07:40,920 right for him. I'm very close with his family. I 122 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:43,360 see his father often. We both live here in New Jersey. 123 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:47,800 I don't know how we rectify some of these situations 124 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,439 for some of these people, but I do know this, 125 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,199 I have one hundred and fifty thousand percent faith in 126 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,639 President Trump that he. 127 00:07:54,639 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: Will What has the President elect communicated to your organism? 128 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:03,480 I know this is, you know, the following a historic meeting. 129 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,480 What is the general theme here? You're you're getting from 130 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:10,199 the president to moving forward. 131 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,519 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't call it, you know, a meeting. I 132 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,920 would say, you know, there's been you know, multiple events 133 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,600 that I have or you know, organized with January sixth families, 134 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:25,680 and I've brought you know, a lot of the children 135 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,079 of these defendants to President Trump's properties here in Jersey 136 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,000 and in Florida, where President Trump has sat down with 137 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:36,960 these families and very publicly has said, you know that 138 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,440 he will be looking at their parents, you know, whether 139 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,799 it's their father or mother for pardons, that they're going 140 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,519 to have a great life under his next administration. You know, 141 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,039 he has very publicly said that, you know, these defendants 142 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,080 have been treated very unfairly, They've been denied their due process, 143 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,960 and he's made it very very clear that this is 144 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,799 going to be a big priority for him, you know, 145 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,000 on you know, starting on January twentieth. Now, you know, 146 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:08,840 I don't I can't say for sure, you know, what 147 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,720 his actual plans will be, but I can say this, 148 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,240 I trust him, I believe in him, and I know 149 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,399 that he keeps his word, and so I'm very confident 150 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,519 we will see swift action, very quickly. 151 00:09:25,799 --> 00:09:31,039 Speaker 1: Here's a counterfactual and it perhaps is not good to 152 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:36,480 dwell on what might have been, particularly when it comes 153 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:42,879 to elections, but this thing could have been very difficult, 154 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,120 much more difficult had Kamala Harris won this last election. 155 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,799 I want to ask you, what do you think life 156 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:55,360 would be like for these people who have been going 157 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:01,159 through this trumped up judicial process four years now? What 158 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,279 would life be like for them had Kamala Harris and 159 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,519 Tim Walls one election? 160 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: H Well, I think we both know the answer to that. 161 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,720 Kamala Harris number one time spoke about uh, the unlawful 162 00:10:19,159 --> 00:10:22,480 you know, actions by Merrick Garland and his DJ or 163 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,480 you know, President Viben's DJ, and I don't think there 164 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:29,600 would have been any action. I don't think we would 165 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,840 have been I think if we were going to see anything, 166 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:34,279 it would have been an uptick in you know, in 167 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,039 a continuation of the witch hunt that has been you know, 168 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:42,720 happening for the past almost four years now. So to 169 00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:48,000 say it's a relief, I you know, I mean, I did. 170 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,759 The hope that these families have now is you know, 171 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:56,080 is a wonderful thing. To say there was no hope. 172 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,720 People were worried, people were very, very worried that if 173 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,279 this woman had been elected president, which thank god she wasn't. 174 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,480 You know, they're working to see their loved one for 175 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:10,639 a long time. You know, you have men and even women, 176 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,720 you know, that are sitting in prison with very lengthy 177 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:18,519 prison sentences. Okay, and you know, let's talk about Rachel Powell. 178 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:24,840 Rachel Powell is a mother of eight. She lives in Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, 179 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,480 she made the decision to break a window and kind 180 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,759 of get involved with, uh, you know, the wrong crowd, 181 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:37,519 if you will. She didn't assault anybody, She did not 182 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,679 assault police. She broke a window. They put her on 183 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:45,840 house arrested. She had an ankle monitor. She was not 184 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:49,799 allowed to leave her home for three years. She missed 185 00:11:49,799 --> 00:11:51,960 her daughter's wedding, She missed the birth of one of 186 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,159 her two of her grandchildren. She couldn't even go to 187 00:11:56,159 --> 00:11:58,519 a doctor appointment if one of her children, you know, 188 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,200 needed the assistance of their other. Her youngest child is 189 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,200 eight years old now, was seven years old when she 190 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,120 was sent to prison. I was at her sentencing and 191 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,600 I was with the entire family. All of her children 192 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,639 were there. We sat all together, and we were in 193 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,080 front of one of the worst judges, Judge Lambert, who 194 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:21,679 is you know, in his eighties, falls asleep on the bench, 195 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:25,200 has no business presiding over any let alone these cases. 196 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,639 But any case, he should retire and go sit in 197 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,600 a rocking chair on his porch and enjoy the rest 198 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:34,480 of his life. But that's not the case. She was 199 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,000 very emotional she read, you know, her statement. There was 200 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,399 not a dry eye in the courtroom. There was plenty 201 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,240 of media there and you know, when she got one, 202 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,559 you know, the judge picked up a piece of paper 203 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,039 and he said, that's quite the statement. And your children, 204 00:12:49,159 --> 00:12:52,399 you know, you should be commended for you know, great children. 205 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,440 And I see your children here, he said, but I 206 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,039 have a job to do. And he waves this paper 207 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,360 in the air and he says, you're going to prison 208 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:02,200 for five years. And he did not, you know, give 209 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,919 her any time served or credit for the three years 210 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:07,480 that she sat in her house, not even being able 211 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:10,879 to leave the yard, the perimeter of the of the 212 00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:16,600 front door. These this is when you think about what's 213 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:18,919 gone on, you know, or what went on in twenty 214 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,519 twenty when you saw people actually burning down police stations, 215 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:28,639 federal buildings, people's businesses, people's cars. We know that, you know, 216 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,559 Officer David Doran was savagely murdered. You and then you 217 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,799 look at a person like this who has no criminal history. Yes, 218 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:38,440 she broke a window, give her community service, but you're 219 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,039 going to take eight years of her life away. She's 220 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:43,840 lost her home, she lost custody of her children for 221 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:46,840 you know, a small minute. She had a terrible public defender. 222 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:50,679 Thank god that we formed the Patriot Freedom Project, and 223 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,960 thank god for the people in this country who have 224 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,279 you know, donated and supported us, because because of them, 225 00:13:56,759 --> 00:13:58,840 she was able to get her own lawyer and we 226 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,879 were able to pay for it. So and there's many 227 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,480 stories just like that. That's just one of hundreds, and 228 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,320 I could just go on and on. You know, Jessica Watkins, 229 00:14:08,519 --> 00:14:11,720 she's still languishing behind bars. She should be out. The 230 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:15,480 fifteen twelve has been overturned by the Supreme Court, and 231 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,120 the rest of her charges. She has already served her time. 232 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,039 But these judges and these prosecutors, they just slow roll everything. 233 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, why are they there, Cynthia's I mean, that's a 234 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,080 great question. And I know that's a question for the prosecution, 235 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,679 it's the question for these judges if we are at 236 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,480 this point where what they were accused of is no 237 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,200 longer a crime. Why do they continue to sit in 238 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:40,080 these jails? 239 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,759 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the only thing that I can think 240 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:48,919 of is because you have a president. Well, I can't 241 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:51,000 even say you have a president because we both know 242 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,720 that Joe Biden is not running the country and we. 243 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: Being an acting president, as I like to call him, 244 00:14:57,159 --> 00:15:00,639 he's acting somewhat acting the role a president. 245 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: I guess you could say that, I mean, you're you're 246 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,519 very you're very kind to say that. I would say 247 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:09,919 that the people behind the scenes that are running the country, 248 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,240 like Barack Obama and Susan Rice and people like that, 249 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,679 you know, they they wanted, they tried and they failed. 250 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:23,639 Obviously we saw that on November fifth. They wanted to 251 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,440 make an example out of these people to you know, 252 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:30,360 to hurt President Trump. So they're not eager, you know, 253 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,559 until President Trump takes office. They have carte blanche. So 254 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,600 even as President elects, he can't do anything for these 255 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,480 people yet. And there's there's not a lot he can 256 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:42,480 do at all in terms of, you know, the country, 257 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:47,559 except prepare, and that is what he's doing. And unfortunately, 258 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,200 these people are the collateral damage and the Democratic Party 259 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,879 and I can't say the entire Democratic Party, because I 260 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:56,279 do think there's a couple of stragglers, if you will, 261 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:01,759 who know what's going on is wrong, and these people 262 00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:03,519 are going to be the collateral damage in this and 263 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:06,639 they just got to hang on until January twenty first. 264 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,679 That's all they got to do, is hang on till 265 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,399 January twenty first, and then we're going to hear President 266 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:13,240 Trump's message very loud and clear. 267 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:17,279 Speaker 1: As difficult and long as the days have been so far, 268 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,200 I can imagine somewhat though, that the days are even 269 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:24,919 longer now, thinking you're so close to freedom for a 270 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:28,120 lot of these folks, at least, that's where this all 271 00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:31,279 seems to be going, and you've got to wait. You 272 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,919 still have to wait. And in the interim, do you 273 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,080 believe that the current regime is and I think you 274 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:42,600 touched upon this is doing all it can to punish 275 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:47,679 the people they can because they can't get at Donald Trump. 276 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean they're still they're still proceeding with 277 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:55,799 these cases. There are still new arrests happening right now, 278 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,480 right the second, and there are people that are still 279 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:02,240 being sent There are you know, defendants, lawyers that are 280 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:07,440 filing motions to try to stay these cases knowing that 281 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:10,759 you know there is going to be the potential for pardons, 282 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,200 you know. I mean I feel confidently, and I you know, 283 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,680 I don't know this for sure. I was not told this, 284 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,359 but I do feel very confidently that on January twentieth, 285 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:24,240 we're going to hear something, you know, maybe hopefully from 286 00:17:24,279 --> 00:17:28,720 President Trump that says, you know, you will halt any 287 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:31,559 continuance with these cases and so he can get a 288 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,599 handle on things. So I believe he will do that 289 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,519 because he knows what's happening. I've seen this president with 290 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:42,200 these families. I've seen this president with these children. It 291 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,279 would warm your heart. I have asked this president to 292 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:47,400 sit down with these children. And some of these kids 293 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,279 are you know, they're very young, six years old, ten 294 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,359 years old. I mean, I have wonderful video and pictures 295 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,960 of this great president reassuring these children. I'll tell you. 296 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,680 We had an event at trump Edminster, which is you know, 297 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,559 considered President Trump's you know, second home and one of 298 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:08,240 his favorite ones of all of his properties and beautiful 299 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:12,480 property up in North Jersey. And we had an event 300 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:16,400 there in August of twenty twenty three, and we brought 301 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:19,200 this woman I told you about in Pennsylvania. We brought 302 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,079 her children, and we brought some other children. And this 303 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,039 was the night before President Trump was flying to Georgia 304 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,960 to take the famous smugshot. And we were wrapping up 305 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,640 and we were getting to the end of the night 306 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,400 and here he comes walking in like he had just 307 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,920 gotten off the plane. He was tired. You know, you 308 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,400 could see. You know, I don't know if it's okay 309 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,640 to say the word frustrated, but I mean he was 310 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,119 really in the thick of things. I mean they were 311 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,960 throwing everything out him to see what would stick. And 312 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,839 you know, he's like, you know, he's like a spider 313 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,000 and everything just you know, slides right off of him. 314 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:58,920 But this man, this president, he didn't care. You know, 315 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,880 nine o'clock at night, he came into the ballroom and 316 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,160 he said, I want to see these children. I have 317 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,119 the best picture of him, you know, turning calling these 318 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,960 kids up to the podium with him. We went into 319 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,640 you know, his office with him, you know, the kids 320 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,440 and I where he literally got down to their level 321 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,240 and hugged them and told them that everything was going 322 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:21,160 to be okay. Despite knowing that he had to get 323 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,559 on a plane the next day and go to Georgia 324 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:27,480 to be you know, for them to try to ridicule 325 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:30,359 him and shame him. He still made the time to 326 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,559 come in and see these families and see these children, 327 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,400 and to see our guests, knowing that they were there 328 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,759 to support not only January sixth, but him. I think 329 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:42,000 that we are so close, you know. And yes, the 330 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:44,119 days will seem longer, but I got to tell you 331 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,720 I have I have so much hope in my heart. 332 00:19:46,759 --> 00:19:49,519 I feel very good about what is to come for 333 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,559 these for these defendants and their families. 334 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: They allow IRS agents to go after you even though 335 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,720 they don't pay their taxes. Who watched All Wall Street 336 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,759 podcast with Chris Markowski Every day Chris helps unpack the 337 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:06,440 connection between politics and the economy and how it affects 338 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:09,640 your wallet. The IRS agent's audited in you owe a 339 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:14,119 lot in back taxes. Six thousand IRS workers owe a 340 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,920 total of fifty million dollars. Whether it's happening in DC 341 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:20,119 or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 342 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: Be informed. 343 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 344 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,960 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 345 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: Our guest today is Cynthia Hughes, founder and director of 346 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,759 Patriot Freedom Project. Cynthia founded the Patriot Freedom Project to 347 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:42,519 support January sixth defendants and their families. You have endured 348 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,519 some dark days, no doubt about it. I'm thinking back 349 00:20:46,599 --> 00:20:49,079 and thinking about the show trial that went on with 350 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:55,880 the January sixth Committee, all of the political theater that 351 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:58,400 was going on. We've learned a lot since then, but 352 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:01,880 take me back to that time, because not only did 353 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:07,799 you have the people in power in Washington, DC going 354 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:13,200 around claiming that we have insurrectionists trying to burn down 355 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,680 the government and take over the government, and all of 356 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,920 these sorts of allegations that were thrown out there, but 357 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,160 you have what I like to describe as an accomplice media, 358 00:21:24,319 --> 00:21:28,480 corporate media, all in on the narrative. I mean, everything 359 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,599 was stacked not only against you folks, the people who 360 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:37,119 we've been talking about languishing in jails and prisons and 361 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,720 awaiting their day in court yet, but also stacked against 362 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:52,359 the president, the former president, who could indeed offer some pardons, 363 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,200 offer freedom. And this must have been a very very 364 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,240 difficult time for you and your cause. 365 00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: You know it has been, and I can't say it's 366 00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:09,759 gotten you know, easier. In fact, I think it gets 367 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:13,119 a little bit harder, you know, especially you know, in 368 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,599 the beginning of this, you really didn't know what you were. 369 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,680 We didn't know what was going to be. You know, 370 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,920 when I got the phone call about him, and it 371 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,400 was a weekend, and then we had a holiday on 372 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,079 that Monday, and I didn't get to speak to him, 373 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,720 and we were kind of in the heart of COVID 374 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:33,319 still and you know, he got released by a magistrate 375 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,279 judge here in New Jersey. I mean she was like, 376 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:38,200 we're not keeping this kid in jail. I mean, he's 377 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,799 got no criminal history, he wasn't charged by a violent crime. 378 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:44,319 You cannot keep this kid in jail. But d C 379 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,599 didn't care. And before Tim could be released, you know, 380 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,480 into my into my care, they filed an emergency motion 381 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,400 to you know, to hold him. And and I knew, 382 00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:59,240 I knew then that we were we were, we were 383 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:04,440 facing something very, very very sinister. And I don't say 384 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,440 this because he's my family. I say this because it's 385 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,920 really the truth. And if people really looked at Tim's case, 386 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,920 they would they would just their drove a job. He's 387 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,880 probably one of the most egregious cases we've seen yet. 388 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,759 He was smeared in the media. You know, he was 389 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:24,079 smeared by a very very evil, black hearted, angry, mean, 390 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,359 horrible woman who was the prosecutor. You know, we had 391 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,400 a terrible public defender, a public pretender as I like 392 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:35,240 to call them, in the beginning, who you know, wanted 393 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,160 Tim so badly to denounce President Trump, which Tim, Tim 394 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,880 would have stayed in prison for fifty years if he 395 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,240 had to, He would have been in there for the 396 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,680 rest of his life before he was going to, you know, 397 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:46,240 for President Trump under the bus. He was never going 398 00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:48,119 to do that, and he was never going to admit 399 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,519 to something that he didn't do. He truly didn't do 400 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:53,920 anything wrong. And there's a lot of cases just like Tim. 401 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:57,200 Tim's out here now after enduring three years in prison, 402 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,200 you know, jail and then prison, you know, solitary confinement. 403 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,680 I mean it was rough in the beginning, very very rough. 404 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:05,880 You didn't know what was going to happen. It was 405 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:09,039 very very hard to hear the stories that were coming 406 00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:11,799 out of the DC jail where Tim was for you know, 407 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,720 over two years. My heartbreaks when I think about those men. 408 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,240 Sometimes I wouldn't hear from Tim for days, and I 409 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:21,960 need call, and I'd say, you know where you've been, 410 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:25,319 you know, and he would say, I'm not married and 411 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,079 I don't have children. These men need to be on 412 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,079 the phone with their wives and you know, and their children. 413 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,759 I mean, there's so much to unpack and so much 414 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:38,519 damage and so much heartache. I don't know if anybody 415 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,400 will ever that's caught up in this is ever going 416 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,119 to truly one hundred percent, you know, be whole again. 417 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,480 I mean, yes, you're going to get on with your life. 418 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:50,079 I just spoke to Ken Harrison a short time ago 419 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,279 before I got on the call with you. I mean, 420 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,440 what they did to him is is really despicable. I mean, 421 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,759 he really literally didn't do anything wrong. Kenny, wife Angel. 422 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,319 You know, they're good people. They don't bother nobody, They 423 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,279 mind their business, you know. And he's now getting back 424 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:09,680 to work, and you know, he's fortunate enough to be 425 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,200 able to go back to his job after you know, 426 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,519 not being after being in prison for almost four years. 427 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,079 But that's not the case for a lot of people. 428 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,119 A lot of people, you know, they they don't want 429 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,079 to leave the house. They can't find a job, they 430 00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:28,319 have no money, you know, some don't have family. We 431 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,400 have another guy who's in jails, but he got SAIDs 432 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,880 to fourteen years. Unfortunately, in the past he had some 433 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,519 trouble and he has a little bit of a rap sheet. 434 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,640 He got fourteen years. He doesn't now support. He's got 435 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,799 two elderly parents who may not be alive if he 436 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,599 gets if he doesn't get some kind of pardon or commutation. 437 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,480 There's so many avenues. You have children that don't have 438 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:55,000 health insurance anymore because dad lost their job. You know, 439 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,920 children that are not only separated from their fathers, but 440 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,920 also separated from their mothers in one capacity or another. 441 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:06,039 Like for example, you have Kelly Megs. Kelly Megs, you know, 442 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,480 is considered an oathkeeper. He got sentenced to twelve years 443 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,599 in prison, and his wife got sentenced to like four 444 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,559 years in prison. She just got out of prison. Now, 445 00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,400 while they don't have babies at home, they still have children. 446 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:20,400 And how profoundly impacted are they these two kids having 447 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,240 to you know, hold the ford down until mom and 448 00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:27,880 dad are home again. I could go on and on 449 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,160 about the destruction to the lives of these people, and 450 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:35,400 I don't know how we get past that and we 451 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,440 make people whole again. I just don't know how we're 452 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,200 going to do that. It's these are going to be 453 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,000 deep rooted scars that are going to live with these 454 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,519 people for a very very long time. And you know 455 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,519 what's more heartbreaking or as equally as heartbreaking. You know, 456 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:53,119 you think about the people, let's say, in twenty twenty two, 457 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:57,119 going into twenty twenty three, the people that knew that 458 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,400 they could possibly be getting arrested, that have watched or 459 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,440 did watch the entire year of twenty twenty one and 460 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,319 hearing the horror stories from these families of what was 461 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:09,359 happening to their loved ones, like in the different jails, 462 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,160 because it wasn't just the DC jail that was the worst, 463 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,400 but there were other jails that were not treating these 464 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,200 people fairly. And you think about those people and how 465 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:24,400 terrified they have been, and how terrified they must have been, 466 00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:27,759 you know, waiting for the shoot to drop right, and 467 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,279 you think of the ones that couldn't They couldn't handle 468 00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:34,559 it thinking about it like Jordan Meachum. You know, little 469 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,200 Jordy Meacham is only you know, in his early twenties, 470 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:39,119 and he couldn't bear the thought of going to jail, 471 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,359 and he ended his life. There's so much to talk 472 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,160 about here, and we have to get beyond talking about, 473 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,160 you know, why January sixth happened. That is important, but 474 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,480 there's so many other compartments to this and they need 475 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,960 to be told. These stories need to be told. 476 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,319 Speaker 1: Well, you talk about the Haroldsons of the world, and 477 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,039 your your nephew, who you know, is like a son 478 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,119 to you. I know you've talked about that on many occasions. 479 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,279 Before we get to the accountability aspect, and I mean 480 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:19,160 the accountability for the people who wrought these conditions, this 481 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,359 phony narrative in many cases h and the injustice that 482 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:31,440 these folks have endured. Let's talk about Ken Harrelson. You 483 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:37,319 talk about an individual who really did nothing that would 484 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:42,200 warrant jail time. But there we were Tim Hale again. 485 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,599 Let's talk about what they were accused of and what 486 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,759 the record actually shows. 487 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,039 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Tim, Tim was charged with you know, 488 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:59,319 the famous obstruction of an official preceding charge. So was 489 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,240 Ken Harrison in so was Thomas Caldwell. We can't we 490 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,240 you know, we got to bring up Thomas Caldwell. Tom 491 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,599 Tom Caldwell was on the uh, you know, he was 492 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,480 one of Ken Harrelson's co defendants. Tom didn't even go 493 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,599 in the building. Tom's seventy years old today. He didn't 494 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,640 even go in the building. He was at the Capitol 495 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,960 with his wife. They prayed, they they sang, they walked around, 496 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,440 they took pictures. They tried to hail this man as 497 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,599 the leader of the heathkeepers. He didn't even know the oathkeepers. 498 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,279 Speaker 1: Because they got and they all got they all got 499 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:37,359 caught up in this this rigged charge, this massage charge 500 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,400 that goes back to you know, goes back twenty years 501 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,160 following the whole Enron situation. Right, that's that's the one 502 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,400 that they were And then the Supreme Court said, absolutely not, 503 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,000 this is a this is an abuse and misuse of 504 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:59,640 this charge involving you know, corporate crimes, not crimes against 505 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,799 INDI visuals who are protesting at the Capitol. 506 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: That's right, That's that's absolutely correct. You know, and there's people, 507 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,799 you know, I don't know even know if this was 508 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,920 sound right. I mean, we were fortunate that's all that 509 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,799 Tim was charged with. And even for that charge, they 510 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,079 wanted to give Tim eight years in prison. We had 511 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,000 a terrible public defender and Tim, I'll never forget the 512 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,160 day he called me and he said, listen, I'm not 513 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,240 moving forward with this guy. I'm going to go pro se, 514 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,400 you know, unless we can find another lawyer. And fortunately 515 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,720 I was able to. You know, Tim had multiple things 516 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:36,880 going on. He was dealing with the criminal stuff, and 517 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,160 he was also dealing with the military. You know, they 518 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,640 were trying to separate from him, which they ultimately did, 519 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,680 and hopefully that's going to get rectified for Tim in 520 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:50,480 twenty twenty five. You know, they like nothing, twelve years 521 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:52,960 he spent, you know, in the army reserves, like it 522 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,920 was nothing. They just took that away from him and 523 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,359 threw it out the window and said, you don't matter, Tim, 524 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,599 Tim was. Tim did nothing wrong that day, truly, and 525 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,079 many like him didn't do anything wrong. And they have 526 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,519 been charged with things like obstruction of an official proceeding 527 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,839 and conspiracy. And you know, some people were charged with 528 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,160 assaults who didn't even commit a sault. We have many 529 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,559 people that were charged with assaults simply because they were 530 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:28,480 standing near that very large metal Trump sign where famously 531 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,559 Ray EPs was you know, telling people, you know, to 532 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,920 breach the Capitol and to do bad things. But there's 533 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,319 people that have been charged with assault simply for touching 534 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:44,759 that sign. It's sick. It's a sickness what this administration, 535 00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:51,759 divided administration. You know, they think we're stupid people. They 536 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:55,200 think that people that don't support them, didn't vote for him, 537 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,000 are stupid. We watched what happened in twenty twenty. 538 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: Or garbage yes yet maybe yeah? Or deplorable yeah. 539 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:09,759 Speaker 2: Absolutely, or no class and no no smarts and no intelligence, 540 00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:12,559 like Mark Cuban has called, you know, Trump supporting women, 541 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720 but you know you saw again, I go back to 542 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:19,240 twenty twenty and the whole George Floyd you know stuff. 543 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,480 I mean those were actual riots that went on for 544 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,039 days and weeks and I believe the entire summer into 545 00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,079 the fall. Look what went on, you know, just in 546 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:33,480 Philadelphia alone. I mean Philadelphia. I'm being funny, we call 547 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,839 it Philadelphia. I don't live far from there, and you 548 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,440 can't go to Philadelphia. It's just not safe. It's it's 549 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:46,160 it's I don't know, I don't know how you get 550 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,480 the Democratic Party to understand that they can't turn a 551 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,079 blind eye to actual crime and then say people who 552 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:57,079 went to hear President Trump speak and protest what they 553 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,799 felt was a fraudulent election for four maybe five and 554 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:04,279 they called it a day. You know, are actual terrorists, 555 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:08,319 I mean people have not only you know, been egregiously charged, 556 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,720 but they've had terroristic enhancements applied to their cases which 557 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,480 gave them more time behind bars. That was the case 558 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,200 for Matthew Purna. We all know what happens to that. 559 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,559 I'm very very close with, you know, the Perna family, 560 00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:26,720 with Matt's aunt Jerry. That kid, you know, he turned 561 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,599 himself in, He took a plea deal. He was ready 562 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,599 and willing to you know, do his six months and 563 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,440 in prison. But Mark Garland said that wasn't good enough. 564 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,359 Christopher Ray said that wasn't good enough. Matthew Graves, they said, 565 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,240 they said that wasn't good enough. We want a supersedu 566 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,720 his indictment. We want to hit him with a terrorist enhancement. 567 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,319 And the kid went from facing six months to facing 568 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,480 six years. He's a non violent person. He didn't do 569 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,920 anything that day. He saw a flag on a brand, 570 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,160 he threw a flag. He didn't throw it in the capitol, 571 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,960 he didn't throw it at police. He picked it up. 572 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,799 He threw it whatever he should get six years in 573 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,680 prison with no criminal history. This is a kid who 574 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,639 flew around the world educating young children, you know, in 575 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,320 countries that don't have what we have here. It's and 576 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,800 now he's not here because he took his life after 577 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,000 they decided they wanted to give him six years because 578 00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:21,519 six months wasn't good enough. That family has been obliterated. 579 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,079 We will never ever be able to give anything back 580 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:29,039 to that family. And not only has that family lost Matt, 581 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,119 but now they have lost Matt's father. Matt's father recently 582 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:33,119 died this past summer. 583 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,119 Speaker 1: You know, it's just one one horrible, sad story after another. 584 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,119 And as you mentioned, how do you make these people whole? 585 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,480 You can't possibly do that. So that's the question, Cynthia. 586 00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:49,679 How hopeful are you? I know you're hopeful with the 587 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,679 incoming administration that life is about to change finally for 588 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,719 the positive, for the good for so many of these people. 589 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,719 But what about the account of ability two people like 590 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,599 Merret Garland, the DC prosecutors, the judges of course, who 591 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,199 you know incorrectly applied these charges to begin with and 592 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,079 treated so many of these people so badly along the way. 593 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,679 How hopeful, how confident? Are you that they will ever 594 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:23,719 face accountability for what they have done. 595 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,559 Speaker 2: Well, I wish I could say I was hopeful for that, 596 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:34,320 but I'm not. I'm going to be very truthful, I'm not. 597 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,440 You know, President Trump wants a unity in this country. 598 00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:46,360 President Trump wants people to come together and make this country, 599 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,039 you know, the great and beautiful country we know it is, 600 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,440 and to get it, you know, make it stronger. I 601 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,400 don't know if President Trump is going to focus on, 602 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,800 you know, keep starring the pot if you will, right, 603 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,159 I think that there needs to be an investigation. I 604 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,800 do feel confident that there will be. I think that 605 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,519 we will see an actual, truthful, factual January sixth Committee. 606 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,559 I do think we will see that. I think that 607 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,440 I've heard some chatter about that, and I think that 608 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:28,280 if we see that there was serious wrongdoing on the 609 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,440 part of people like Merrick Arland or Nancy Pelosi, which 610 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,559 is who I feel is the real culprit, Liz Cheney, 611 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,159 you know, you know, Oudam Shift, people like that that 612 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,400 really took part in trying to cover up and trying 613 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:49,639 to distort what the truth was and hide facts. I 614 00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,360 think if we see proof in that, I think there 615 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,599 will be accountability. I don't think the President will turn 616 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,840 a blind eye to that. But I also don't think 617 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,719 the president is going to come into office and focus 618 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,840 on you know, revenge, if you will, the way everybody thinks. 619 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,320 I think he's going to come into off a sudden 620 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,840 he's going to say, look, for four years, these people's 621 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,800 lives have been massacred and obliterated, and that is where 622 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,559 our focus has to be. You know, in twenty twenty, 623 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:19,000 there was a group of people who were arrested after 624 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:23,039 do you remember when President Trump, you know, he did 625 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:28,960 the walk with that joker Millie over to the church 626 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,639 I can't think of the name of the church right now, 627 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,440 and he held up the Bible, yep. And so after 628 00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,960 that happened, there was you know, being right out in 629 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,000 front of the White House and like. 630 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,079 Speaker 1: A real insurrection. Yes actually one might say. 631 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: Yes exactly exactly, and you know, there was a lot 632 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,519 of damage and people actually got hurt, and there were 633 00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:54,239 some people that got arrested ANTIFA people, Black Lives Matter people, 634 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,960 and they were released Dame Day and charges ultimately were 635 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,679 against them. And so this group of people, you know, 636 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,480 they filed a lawsuit against the dj and the DOJ 637 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,840 sett up with them, and we need to see that 638 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,599 happen with January sixth defendants. And you know, we, like 639 00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:17,039 I said earlier, we also have people that have not 640 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:21,000 been convicted yet because they haven't gone to trial. You know, 641 00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,039 we have Will Pope, who you know, is a January 642 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,119 sixth offendant, and he's pro se and he's a very 643 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,519 very good pro se defendant, and he has really given 644 00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:34,920 the DOJ a run for their money. He was supposed 645 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,519 to go to trial on December second, and he was 646 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:42,280 able to write emotion and you know, you know, convinced 647 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,679 the judge that, you know, his case should be stayed. 648 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,280 You know, he's a non violent, you know defendant. He 649 00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:50,519 was charged with the fifteen twelve, but that has now 650 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,800 been vacated from his case. I mean, the charges against 651 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,599 him should just be they should just be dropped. I mean, 652 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,840 and even though he didn't go to jail, I mean, 653 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,480 he was in jail in the beginning this when he 654 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,840 first got arrested and he was able to make bonds. 655 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,199 He lost his job, his girlfriend left him. You know, 656 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,320 he wasn't able to see his brother, who was his 657 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:16,159 co defendant. There's so many avenues where these families have 658 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:22,800 been so impacted and so affected these defendants. I don't 659 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,280 I don't know. There's so many ways to try to 660 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,400 rectify the situation. It won't be one hundred percent of 661 00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:32,679 that's you know, that's the problem. We have to file lawsuits. 662 00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,440 We need to see some you know, civil lawyers step 663 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,280 up to the you know, to the to the table 664 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,679 now and you know work with us. You know, I 665 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,079 say very proudly. There there are other organizations who have 666 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,800 popped up over the course of these four years, but 667 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,599 I will tell you about Beatriar Freedom Project. We have 668 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,559 raised over five million dollars and we have had three 669 00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:59,760 as we are in our third audit right now. All 670 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,559 of our our financials are available on our website. We 671 00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:08,960 have spent these donations hiring lawyers, helping these women stay 672 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,440 in their homes, hiring experts, helping the lawyers file sir 673 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:17,320 petitions to the Supreme Court, making sure these kids are 674 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,280 not forgotten about it. Christmas we have sent we just 675 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,119 sent out you know, I don't know, fifty turkey dinners. 676 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,039 We have sent out Christmas trees. We make sure these 677 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:32,320 kids have winter coats. We have paid COPRA payments for 678 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,920 kids who have lost our health insurance kids who don't 679 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,159 have health insurance. We have paid for medical procedures. We 680 00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:40,400 have paid for a tooth to be pulled for a 681 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,159 young child who had a terrible infection. The importance of 682 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,039 this foundation and we're the only foundation that's doing stuff 683 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,880 like that. And I'm not trying to negate the other foundations. 684 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,119 I don't want to poo poo on anybody, but we 685 00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:56,679 are really the only foundation that is doing anything and 686 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,000 doing everything on multiple fronts. I mean, we have even 687 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,000 brought mental health to the table, and we have you know, 688 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,760 gotten very you know, involved with some mental health professionals, 689 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,559 and we have been able to help some of these 690 00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:12,840 families with free counseling. You know, we have been able 691 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,599 to help some people get a job. And this isn't 692 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,079 going to stop. This doesn't stop just because somebody gets 693 00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:22,400 out of jail. This continues. The real work starts then, 694 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,199 you know, putting the pieces back together, trying to find 695 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,199 a job. Some kids have had to move from the 696 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,440 only home that they ever knew. Some children witnessed violent 697 00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,920 raids on their home. Some children had flash banks thrown 698 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,679 through their bedroom window. Some houses who had flashbanks thrown 699 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:43,599 through their window, their living room caught on fire, they're 700 00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:47,400 bathroom caught on fire. These things are not they're not 701 00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:51,239 spoken about. But I'll tell you. We have a docusaries out. 702 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,480 It's called due Process Denied, and we have free parts 703 00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,360 out and it's not getting any of the attention that 704 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,599 it needs to. And you can see these families for yourself, 705 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,039 see these children for yourself, and here with your own ears, 706 00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,280 the heartache that they're living with. We have a book 707 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,119 out and we talk about at least I don't know 708 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,119 twenty or so families in the book who have gone through, 709 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,039 you know, very violent raids on their home where children 710 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,280 have had to witness their fathers taken out of their 711 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,719 beds in their underwear in the heart of winter. We 712 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,000 have a video up on our Rumple channel that shows 713 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:32,480 live raids footage from an actual raid on two different 714 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,440 defendants on their homes. This is what we need to 715 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,039 be talking about. Now. We have another holiday season here 716 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,679 where you have close to you know, you have over 717 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,679 three hundred people that are behind bars, that are separated 718 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:48,639 from their families for the fourth year in a row. 719 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,079 And while the pardon talk is very important, we need 720 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:56,760 to be talking about the separation between children and their parents. 721 00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,559 We have to help these kids. It's our duty to 722 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:01,519 help these children. 723 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: It so many sad stories, so much impact from what, 724 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000 in so many cases was a perversion of justice, all 725 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,599 in the name of politics. And we've seen it play 726 00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,880 out for years now. The good work that your organization 727 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,000 is doing, Patriot Freedom Project, as you said, is leading 728 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,800 the way on so many in so many different areas, 729 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,079 supporting these families as it supports the people who are 730 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:38,280 caught under the fist of terrible injustices. For those who 731 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,599 want to help, who want to assist the Patriot Freedom Project, 732 00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,639 how can they do so, Cynthia. 733 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 2: You know before I tell you that, I do want 734 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,760 to tell you one more thing about Beatriar Freedom Project. 735 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,480 You know, we are at the moment and I believe 736 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,639 it will stay that way. I could be wrong, but 737 00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:02,599 we are the only Trump endorsed January Foundation, and our 738 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:05,280 board members come from Trump world. They worked in the 739 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,840 first administration. I mean one of our board members is 740 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,199 the great Ed Martin. He's the president of the Phillishlafleet 741 00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:15,360 Eagle Foundation. He worked on the Trump transition Trump campaign 742 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,440 now on the Trump Transition team. Ed has been on 743 00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:22,559 the front lines of these cases with me, very loving, 744 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,079 you know, helps with these kids, helps with these young boys, 745 00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:30,159 you know, tries to mentor them. We're very very grateful 746 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:34,760 for Ed and also our other board member Rachel. If 747 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,320 anybody wanted to, and you could see our videos of 748 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,039 the Trump endorsements on our website Patriot Freedomproject dot com, 749 00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,920 where President Trump, you know, talks about the good work 750 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,000 that we're doing. We did speak along President Trump at 751 00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:50,400 a Save America rally last year Jerry, Perna and I 752 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,199 and you can find all that at our website, and 753 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,519 if anybody wants to donate, you know, that's where you go. 754 00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:58,639 You go to Patriot Freedomproject dot com. You click the 755 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:02,519 donate button. It'll show you all the different ways to donate. 756 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,440 Right now, with the holidays coming up, you know, we 757 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,039 try to ask for gift cards. We ask for unwrapped 758 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,000 you know, gifts and inside of Christmas stocking, small gifts, 759 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:15,559 and we send them out to the families. You know, 760 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,239 we like to give these women a sense of normalcy 761 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,440 if we can, and rather than send all the gifts 762 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,400 to them, you know, they like getting the gift cards 763 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,760 because they can go out and do their own shopping. 764 00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,719 This this has been their life for four years. They 765 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,760 have to have some sense of you know, I can 766 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,679 be okay, you know while while I'm waiting, you know, 767 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,519 I got to be okay. I got to show my 768 00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:42,280 children that I got I have it together. And so 769 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,559 we ask for gift cards and we've gotten you know, 770 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,159 we've gotten quite a few. But we can use gift 771 00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:50,280 cards to help these families now with Christmas coming up, 772 00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,719 and also you know, people subscribing to a monthly zonation. 773 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:57,119 It helps us throughout the year to keep these families, 774 00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,000 you know, going, and to help these lawyers and hopefully 775 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,760 now you know, we're going to pivot and transition to 776 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,000 you know, getting some civil attorneys involved, and we're going 777 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:11,000 to start to see some lawsuits against some of those 778 00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:13,719 people in power and you know, and the DJ because 779 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:17,480 some some heads have to roll for what has happened here. 780 00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:25,199 Somebody made the decision to cause the torment and obliteration 781 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,599 of these families, and and this this government, this fighting 782 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,400 government has to be held accountable for that. 783 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: It's been able help help you for that. I'm sorry, No, no, absolutely, 784 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:40,199 you're you're right. I mean, it has been a very long, 785 00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:47,079 cold winter for four years for political prisoners in this country, 786 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,239 in one of the darkest chapters of injustice in this country. 787 00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:55,440 Our guest today is Cynthia Hughes, founder and director of 788 00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:59,639 Patriot Freedom Project. We want to thank you once again 789 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,920 for all of your work, Cynthia, and thank you again 790 00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:06,960 for joining us on this edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. 791 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,519 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much for having me in 792 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,039 allowing me to tell these stories. 793 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,079 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to you, Happy Thanksgiving to you, to your family, 794 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,239 and to all of the families impacted by what we've 795 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,119 just talked about. You've been listening to another edition of 796 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,880 the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior correspondent at 797 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,079 the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 798 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,400 stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the Fray.