WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:02.919 We need to be kinder to ourselves and we need 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:05.200 to say, Okay, I can't fix everything today, but I 3 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:07.599 can fix and get where I want to be eventually. 4 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:10.199 So you know, maybe I can't eat as healthy as 5 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:12.000 I want you today, but I'm going to take the 6 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:12.839 small blocks. 7 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:14.080 I'm going to do the right things. 8 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:16.559 I'm going to be one percent better every single day, 9 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:19.359 and that's going to help me get to my overall goal. 10 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:22.160 And I think once you're kind to yourself and you 11 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:24.960 break down things into small steps and don't put that 12 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.199 pressure on yourself to do everything on day one, then 13 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:30.079 you're going to be so much more successful. 14 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:35.560 You're listening to the Plant Based Diet podcast where we 15 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.640 talk about all things plant based. I'm mister Garth and 16 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.880 the host of this show and founder of Alternative Food Network. 17 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.439 Join me in my amazing array of guests who are 18 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:48.439 a mix of healthcare professionals, industry executives, and people with 19 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:51.520 an interesting story to tell about their plant based journey. 20 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.079 Let us help you with your journey wherever you're at 21 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.039 to learn the what, why, and how to eat plant based. 22 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.159 Hello everyone, and I hope you had a wonderful summer. 23 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:05.680 I managed to take a week break and go to 24 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:09.480 the Azores, which was amazing on the food front. I 25 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.719 wanted to tell you I tried such a cool recipe there. 26 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:18.120 It was a pineapple coconut gaspacho. It was so flavorful. 27 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.120 I don't know that I can replicate it, but if 28 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:25.680 you try. It's such interesting flavors put together. Let me 29 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.680 know how it tastes if you try it. And now 30 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:31.280 we are back to our fall episodes, and today I'm 31 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:35.120 chatting with Emmanuel Bonham, who has quite the Instagram following. 32 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.280 She is the founder of Kind Luxury and is her 33 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:43.519 belief that true luxury is living beautifully and consciously, embracing health, 34 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:47.200 ethics and elegance without compromise. This is actually a two 35 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:50.640 parter because in addition to our interview, Emmanuel is also 36 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:54.680 preparing a recipe for healthy energy balls, which will be 37 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:57.959 available in one week both as an audio episode or 38 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:01.760 you can watch the recipe video on Alternative Food networks 39 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:05.599 YouTube channel. And just a gentle reminder to please subscribe 40 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.719 to the Alternative Food Network YouTube channel. You'll get notified 41 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.960 every time we upload a new video there, and of 42 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.360 course I would appreciate it. And now I'd like to 43 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:17.439 welcome Emmanuel to the show. 44 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.000 Thank you so much for having me. 45 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.759 It's so great to be here and I cannot wait 46 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:26.759 for us to discuss all things plump based and health 47 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:27.520 and food. 48 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:29.960 And for the listeners. Just so you know, we are 49 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.000 recording this in the middle of the summer. Emmanuel is 50 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:38.520 from England, right, but currently lives in Dubai, and I 51 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:41.000 need to ask you how hot is it there? Right now? 52 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.280 It is okay, so with six pm so it's cooled 53 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.639 down a little bit. But earlier in the day forty 54 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:52.680 six forty seven celsius degrees selfius, so a little toasty. 55 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:55.439 And it's that time of year where it gets superhumid. 56 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.879 You go outside and your glasses or your phone just 57 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.360 instantly up. It's crazy. 58 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:05.719 Your phone steams like your phone and instantly your screen 59 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:06.360 steams up. 60 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:11.120 Wow. So do you spend time outdoors at all during 61 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:12.280 the day, you. 62 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.199 Know, unless I'm traveling, if I'm in Dubai, absolutely not. 63 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.159 You can't. It's just it's so unpleasant. 64 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.879 Dubai is built in a way where you go from 65 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.719 places car to car, so you know, everything is designed. 66 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.280 It's it's not like you have high streets or walking 67 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.240 paths from one place of the city to the other. 68 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.360 You go on your car for everything, because half of 69 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.280 the year at least is too hot. 70 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.120 To be outside. So they've done a really good job 71 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:41.680 designing it so you can still live. 72 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.560 But I do try to get away in summer just 73 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.639 because I miss being outside and I need it so much. 74 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.599 Wow. And then what about in the evening? Can you 75 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:52.479 go out in the evening? 76 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.599 You can physically go out, It depends if it's If 77 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:58.520 it's not humid, you're fine, Like you can you can, 78 00:03:58.599 --> 00:03:58.919 I walk. 79 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:00.319 I have to walk my dogs up day. 80 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.400 We manage, but the humid evenings are the tough ones 81 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:05.680 because it's really no break from the day. It's hot 82 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:07.919 in the day and then it's humid and sticky in 83 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:11.439 the evenings, and it's tough for a good four months 84 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:13.360 of the year, but we get through. 85 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:17.120 Oh my gosh, my dog could never live there. She 86 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:22.839 could never make it. She's a burner doodle. She runs hot. 87 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:29.040 Let's just say anyways, So in my introduction I said 88 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.399 that you founded kind Luxury, so I wanted to understand 89 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.800 a little bit more. Can you explain what that means? 90 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:38.480 Yeah, I would love to. So. 91 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:44.319 Kind Luxury is a concept that came actually from living 92 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:48.279 in Dubai and through my years of being a fitness 93 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.920 coach and a nutrition coach, and to me, kind. 94 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:53.680 Luxury is double sided. 95 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.800 It means living well and enjoying the nice things in life, 96 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.639 the finer things in life, luckuxuries and whatever that means 97 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:07.560 to you. But it also means living compassionately because. 98 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:08.199 I believe that. 99 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.720 True luxury is not about excess. It's not about opulence, 100 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.040 it's not about greed. And I'm not saying you can't 101 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.319 enjoy those things. I think you know, each of us 102 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.199 has our vices, and we love things that we love, 103 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.759 and there's nothing wrong with that. But my belief is 104 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.720 that that shouldn't come at the expense of someone else. 105 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.360 It shouldn't It shouldn't harm someone else. For you to 106 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.319 have a luxurious life, that shouldn't harm anyone else. 107 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:36.600 Now, the other. 108 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.959 Side of kind of luxury is about taking that one 109 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.639 step further and saying, Okay, now that I know that 110 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.279 you know, luxury isn't if I have to harm someone 111 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:50.959 to get it, it's not really luxurious. It then challenges 112 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.839 you to think, well, what are the luxuries in life? 113 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:58.399 Is luxury really being connected? Is it being connected to 114 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:00.920 the people that you love. Is it being to the earth, 115 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.480 is it being connected to animals? Is it giving more 116 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:04.240 than you take? 117 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:06.560 And you know, us. 118 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.519 Humans were funny bunches, but nothing. I believe that nothing 119 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.319 can really replace the feeling of doing something for someone 120 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.519 or something that cannot give you something in return. 121 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:20.759 Humans we love to do good things, We really do. 122 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:26.360 And I feel like our society doesn't highlight this and 123 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:28.600 doesn't push this as much as it should. It pushes, 124 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:32.120 you know, the material things and the grind and the 125 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.240 drive for more and more and more, But the real luxury, 126 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:40.759 in my perspective, is connecting and finding deeper purpose and 127 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.519 finding fulfillment. And you know what, I saw this a 128 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.560 lot when I was doing a lot of fitness coaching. 129 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:50.639 You can really be so disconnected from your body and 130 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:52.879 not get the goals that you want to achieve and 131 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.079 not you know, not be making the changes that you 132 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:58.279 want because you're it's almost like you're outside of your body. 133 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:02.000 And I feel like some of us I definitely did 134 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:06.199 need a full one eighty to really look at look 135 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:09.399 at intrinsically what's going on in our bodies and what's 136 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:11.600 going on in our lives. And saying, you know, we 137 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.360 really need to connect more, we need to connect to 138 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.120 our bodies. We're so overly stressed, we're so you know, 139 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:21.160 worked to the bone, and we're chasing things that aren't important. 140 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:25.120 So the concept of kind luxury is sure defining what 141 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:27.720 luxury means to you, but making sure that you're not 142 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.199 harming to get that luxury. And it's also about assessing 143 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:33.720 what really is luxury is it? Is it really that 144 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.000 design a handbag or is it living a life of 145 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:40.680 purpose and fulfillment and alignment and love and compassion. And 146 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.759 that's definitely the journey that I've been on is finding 147 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.959 out the latter is that luxury isn't about the latest 148 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.839 handbag or the nicest watch. It's about being of service 149 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:54.240 and it's such a rewarding experience. 150 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:59.120 Yeah, so it sounds to me like you've redefined for 151 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.480 yourself what luxury is. 152 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:05.279 Yeah, I think, And I'm not here to tell anyone 153 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:09.639 their definition of luxury. And don't get me wrong, Still, 154 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.399 I live in Dubai and I still love, you know, 155 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:13.279 nice things. 156 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:14.160 I love jewelry. 157 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:17.199 I'm a girl. I love pretty things, and there's nothing 158 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:21.439 wrong with that. But it's about how far are you 159 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.199 willing to go What does luxury mean? Does it mean 160 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.120 you're happy for something to suffer or you're happy to 161 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:29.279 kill something or whatever to get what you want? 162 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:31.319 Or where do you draw the line? 163 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.879 Is it time that maybe you kind of you know, 164 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.639 from time to time assessed, reassessed what luxury looks like 165 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.120 rather than just following someone else's definition. And that's definitely 166 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.759 what I did living in Dubai. I got told all 167 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.080 the time what luxury is, what I should be aiming for, 168 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.679 what I should be able to buy, blah blah blah, 169 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:54.480 And through that I realized that it actually wasn't what 170 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:57.000 I was getting. That I was craving, which was the connection, 171 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.320 which was the nature, which was the helping and said 172 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:01.519 before being of service. 173 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:05.360 So was it when you were living in Dubai that, like, 174 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.399 was there a certain moment when you realized that your 175 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:14.440 values weren't aligning with the traditional definition of what luxury is? 176 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:19.279 Yeah, I think that, I think you know. For me, 177 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:23.440 it was a process. I went plant based in twenty sixteen, 178 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.879 so what is that nine years ago now? And in 179 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.279 the beginning, I was extremely focused on the food because 180 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.080 that's often the hardest part to conquer is the food, 181 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:33.200 you know, figuring out what am. 182 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:33.759 I going to eat? 183 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:35.919 Like, you got to get past that first, because that's 184 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.480 all about survival. And then as time goes on and 185 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.320 you learn about industries and health and what people are 186 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.440 trying to sell you and big Farmer and all these things, 187 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:51.080 you start to ask questions and you start to expand 188 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:54.480 on your knowledge and you start to build on this lifestyle. 189 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:56.399 So a lot of people are vegan and they eat 190 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.279 vegan food, and that's it. It stops there, and that's 191 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.200 absolutely you know, fine, you're doing an amazing job and 192 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:03.240 we need people like you. 193 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.840 But I got. 194 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.240 Curious and I kind of was like, Okay, this extends 195 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.159 further than food. This extends more into you know, cosmetics, 196 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.279 This extends into clothes, leather, shoes, bags, whatever. I don't 197 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:24.840 necessarily remember a point at which I thought this isn't luxury, 198 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:30.200 but I do remember feeling like there's not something quite 199 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:32.480 right here, like I'm being sold something that I don't 200 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:36.240 necessarily fully agree with. I think I need to think 201 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:38.200 for myself. I think I need to find out things 202 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:42.159 for myself. And it's just a natural progression of undoing 203 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.679 what people are telling you and just figuring out for 204 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.120 yourself what's important to you, how you want to live 205 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.879 your life and how you want to have, what kind 206 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:51.159 of lifestyle you want to have. 207 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.960 So was the beginning, the beginning of that process. It 208 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:00.759 started with plant based eating, Yeah. 209 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:04.840 One hundred percent, one hundred percent. Yeah, that was the catalyst. 210 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:08.200 I was on I was on holiday with my parents 211 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:12.600 in Spain, and you know, I was I saw something 212 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:14.799 online that I didn't that I didn't want to see, 213 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:20.120 and that was definitely the catalyst to thinking about my lifestyle, 214 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.320 my choices, my health. Am I just following a system 215 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:28.399 that everyone is expected or naturally follows, or is there 216 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:29.919 a way that I could do it better? Could I 217 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.159 live healthier? Could I eat better? Could I look after 218 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.320 myself better? And I was already in nutrition and fitness 219 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.639 at this point, so I was thinking, well, how can 220 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.879 I teach my clients to be healthier? You know, is 221 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.720 there another way? And there's always different ways of doing things. 222 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.879 So yeah, I think it started with food, and it's 223 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:49.799 still very much about the food. Food is obviously integral, 224 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.440 you know, we need it, but it became so much 225 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.600 more than that, and it became much more about a 226 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.960 lifestyle as well as the importance of food. 227 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.960 The food side of things. What's the biggest roadblock that 228 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:08.440 you've found. Clients would tell you, I can't do this because. 229 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.840 You know, it's the same everywhere, but in Dubai we 230 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:16.360 have an extreme hustle mentality. The vast majority I think 231 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:18.279 it's like eighty five to ninety percent of people that 232 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.480 live in Dubai or the uae R. I think it's 233 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.960 actually Dubai are expats. So everyone comes to work. Everyone 234 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.759 has a very you know, transient mindset. I'll be here 235 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:29.559 for X amount of years and then I go back 236 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:32.679 to my home country. So for a lot of people, 237 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:39.360 most people, time is the biggest blocker, time and habits. 238 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:42.440 And I had this conversation a lot with my clients 239 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.559 is that people want to go from zero to one hundred. 240 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:47.240 It's the same when someone wants to try plant based 241 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:50.519 or cutting out meat or whatever. Someone sees a documentary 242 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.440 like but no conspiracy, what the health whatever, and they're like. 243 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:54.960 Right, that's it. I'm done. 244 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.000 I'm not eating animal products ever again, Like, I don't know, 245 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.639 I'll figure it out. And for most people, it's really 246 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.440 hard to change your habits overnight. You know, it is 247 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:07.120 extremely hard. You might do it for a day or two, 248 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.240 but then the human brain kicks in, habits kick in, 249 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.960 and you go back to your old ways. So in 250 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.720 answer to your question, what are the blocks, it's it's 251 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.759 mainly habits and time. And I think that we need 252 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:22.320 to be kinder to ourselves and we need to say, Okay, 253 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.039 I can't fix everything today, but I can fix and 254 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.039 get where I want to be eventually. So you know, 255 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.919 maybe I can't eat as healthy as I want you today, 256 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:31.960 but I'm going to take the small blocks. I'm going 257 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:33.679 to do the right things. I'm going to be one 258 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.679 percent better every single day, and that's going to help 259 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:39.559 me get to my overall goal. And I think once 260 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.320 you're kind to yourself and you break down things into 261 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.799 small steps and don't put that pressure on yourself to 262 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.679 do everything on day one, then you're going to be 263 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.240 so much more successful because your brain is going to 264 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:51.919 have time to adapt, your body is going to have 265 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:55.919 time to adapt, and that's really how we see sustainable results. 266 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:01.639 And on the time for the listeners, just so you know, 267 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:06.679 Emmanuel is going to be going into the kitchen and 268 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.279 she is going to be making a great grab and 269 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.919 go snack that takes what like five minutes to prepare. 270 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:17.919 There are energy balls, and it will be available in 271 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.279 a week's time, as I mentioned in the intro, But 272 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:23.639 just to address what you were just saying that one 273 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:28.960 one barrier or roadblock to people starting or implementing a 274 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.720 plant based diet is time. It comes up all the 275 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.480 time in our other episodes as well. And so these 276 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:40.480 energy balls, they're so easy to make, and when you're 277 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:42.919 in a rush, you literally grab and go and eat 278 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.720 them and it fills you up. So I'm super excited 279 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:47.759 that you're going to be going into the kitchen for us. 280 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:48.559 Thank you. 281 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.279 Yeah, one hundred percent. I feel like, let's not kid ourselves. 282 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.720 We're all very busy and we just want sometimes the 283 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.120 easiest option available, but we also want. 284 00:14:57.960 --> 00:14:59.559 You know, we're in our healthy era. We want to 285 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:00.000 be healthy. 286 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.120 We care about our wellness, and sometimes we might not 287 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.799 have the most woomt thing. But as long as it's healthy, 288 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:07.799 as long as it's nourishing, as long as it's tasty. 289 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:10.039 There are so many things you can eat and so 290 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.240 many things you can prep that are five to ten minutes. 291 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:15.639 It's really it doesn't have to be a huge blocker 292 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.039 to success time, you can really trim it down and 293 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.000 still be healthy and eat delicious food. 294 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.039 I just wanted to ask you. This was actually someone 295 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.440 I work with asked me this question. I said, I 296 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:31.360 will ask Emmanuel for you. If someone is interested not 297 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.200 just in the food, but including the food aspect and 298 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.279 plant based eating, but also some of the other things 299 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:40.440 you were talking about about kind luxury. The person I 300 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:45.879 work was asking me, how do you identify brands that 301 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:51.320 fit within that thinking, like you know, cruelty free or 302 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.840 ethically sourced. I mean, well the packaging always tell you 303 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:59.960 or is there misleading packaging, like how do you identify 304 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.759 by brands that you're comfortable eating, using, etc. 305 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:10.399 You know, in this day and age, being green. 306 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:14.200 Being environmentally friendly, being vegan got very trendy, and marketers 307 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:17.399 realize this and they jumped on it. So, you know, 308 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.559 in order to make more money, they pull up people's 309 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.639 heartstrings and people They know that people don't have time 310 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.440 to look up all the ingredients on a website of 311 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:28.480 what's in the skincare or they know that they're not 312 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:29.799 going to go research xyz. 313 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.000 So marketing can be very misleading and we can. 314 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:37.639 Get a bit modeled as to what is actually ethical 315 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.080 and what is cruelty free, And there's a lot of 316 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.080 different topics. There is a product that is cruelty free, 317 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.080 there is a product that is vegan, there is a 318 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:46.120 product that is ethical. 319 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:48.320 But it doesn't mean they're all each other. 320 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.080 So you can be vegan, you can have say, for example, 321 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.159 a vegan cosmetics brand can be vegan, but it might 322 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.200 not be cruelty free, and it might not be ethical 323 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.039 because cruelty free is about testing. 324 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:01.759 On animals and whether they test on animals. 325 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:05.319 Vegan is about what's in the ingredients, so does it 326 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:11.680 come from animal derived sources? And being ethical expands into further. 327 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.200 It expands into to fair labor, does it hold it 328 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:19.160 up to environmental standards, and also all the other things 329 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.119 about you know, does it hurt others in the process, 330 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:21.480 does it. 331 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:22.240 Test on animals? 332 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.200 So we really have to read between the lines and manufacturers, 333 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:30.720 I believe deliberately some manufacturers that's not fair. Some manufacturers 334 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.359 do make it a little bit challenging, and they also 335 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.839 want to take they want to jump on the on 336 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.160 the bandwagon of being you know, vegan and quelty free 337 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.319 and everything. But it's really important that you understand the 338 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.440 key terms in terms of the differences between vegan, cruelty 339 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:49.079 free and ethical companies, and we're getting better and we're 340 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.440 getting clear it in the sense that it can be 341 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.480 a little bit easier now with certifications. So for example, 342 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.400 you've got Leaping Bunny, you've got Peter's Beauty Without Bunnies, 343 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:02.640 you've got Choose Cruelty Free, which I think is an 344 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:07.759 Australian certification, you've got the UK's Vegan Society Certified Vegan 345 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:12.200 and depending on what you're looking for, it's important that 346 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:14.480 you look out for these certifications because you can't lie 347 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.319 about these certifications. So if you're looking for for example, 348 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:20.480 for me, I would be looking for something cruelty free, 349 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:21.920 vegan and ethical. 350 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.079 So it has to tick all the boxes. 351 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.640 So I'm looking for something that's not testing on animals, 352 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.640 there's no animal derived ingredients, and it also includes fair 353 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:30.359 labor and doesn't harm the environment. 354 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.799 So you might have to look for three individual. 355 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.119 Certifications on that product that you're buying, so it can 356 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:39.039 be a little bit of a manhunt. Luckily, there are 357 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:42.000 some tools that can help you that you can search 358 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.720 and figure out what these brands are. It's a blessing 359 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.119 in disguise because at this day and age, we're not 360 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.519 quite at that point yet where everything is ethical and 361 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:53.200 cruelty free. We're still you know, we're still responding to 362 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.799 consumer demand which is slowly growing. So you do have 363 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.599 to do a bit of the legwork yourself. For example, 364 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.559 you might need to research, you know what, if you 365 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.960 like a bag and you think, oh, it might be leather, 366 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.279 but it might not, it might be non leather. You 367 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.039 might have to go away and research what's this bag 368 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.960 actually made of. Cosmetics is a little bit clearer, just 369 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.200 because it's such an established industry now in terms of 370 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.079 the quality free aspect, but there are things like shoes 371 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.880 and it can be difficult to understand, and sometimes jewelry 372 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.880 items can be difficult. Sometimes it can be you can 373 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:25.799 buy something and think that it's pearl and it ends 374 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:30.640 up being ivory. So it's a little challenging. But as 375 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.359 I said, it's a blessing in disguise because while it's 376 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.240 a bit more work, you end up learning so much 377 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.119 about the industries and what you're trying to avoid, and 378 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.839 you can educate people, and then you learn about the environment, 379 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:42.960 and then you learn about where it came from and 380 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.599 harmful labor practices, and it just makes you so much 381 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.759 more aware and educated as a shopper, which is so 382 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.920 important because I really believe on so many aspects we 383 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:54.319 need to take our power back and we need to know. 384 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.839 Where our dollar is going. And yeah, it's it's it's work. 385 00:19:58.160 --> 00:19:59.799 But once you kind of get the hang for it 386 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.559 what you're looking for in terms of certification materials, it 387 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:04.559 becomes easier. 388 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:06.759 But it's a work in progress for sure. 389 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.920 You mentioned there are some tools. Is there is there 390 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.480 an app that you use or is there a website 391 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.759 that you go to sometimes just for our listeners to 392 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:20.519 maybe make it a bit for them. 393 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:24.480 So there's If I'm shopping, I tend to go straight 394 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:27.960 to the certifications because I know that there's no beating. 395 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:28.319 About the bush. 396 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.599 I know that if that if something's got a vegan 397 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.039 certification or a Vegan Society certification. 398 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:34.799 It takes all my boxes. 399 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.319 If it's got a leaping bunny or a pita certification, 400 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:39.680 it takes all my boxes. 401 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:41.400