Speaker 1: We need to be kinder to ourselves and we need
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I can't fix everything today, but I
Speaker 1: can fix and get where I want to be eventually.
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe I can't eat as healthy as
Speaker 1: I want you today, but I'm going to take the
Speaker 1: small blocks.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do the right things.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be one percent better every single day,
Speaker 1: and that's going to help me get to my overall goal.
Speaker 1: And I think once you're kind to yourself and you
Speaker 1: break down things into small steps and don't put that
Speaker 1: pressure on yourself to do everything on day one, then
Speaker 1: you're going to be so much more successful.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Plant Based Diet podcast where we
Speaker 3: talk about all things plant based. I'm mister Garth and
Speaker 3: the host of this show and founder of Alternative Food Network.
Speaker 3: Join me in my amazing array of guests who are
Speaker 3: a mix of healthcare professionals, industry executives, and people with
Speaker 3: an interesting story to tell about their plant based journey.
Speaker 3: Let us help you with your journey wherever you're at
Speaker 3: to learn the what, why, and how to eat plant based.
Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and I hope you had a wonderful summer.
Speaker 3: I managed to take a week break and go to
Speaker 3: the Azores, which was amazing on the food front. I
Speaker 3: wanted to tell you I tried such a cool recipe there.
Speaker 3: It was a pineapple coconut gaspacho. It was so flavorful.
Speaker 3: I don't know that I can replicate it, but if
Speaker 3: you try. It's such interesting flavors put together. Let me
Speaker 3: know how it tastes if you try it. And now
Speaker 3: we are back to our fall episodes, and today I'm
Speaker 3: chatting with Emmanuel Bonham, who has quite the Instagram following.
Speaker 3: She is the founder of Kind Luxury and is her
Speaker 3: belief that true luxury is living beautifully and consciously, embracing health,
Speaker 3: ethics and elegance without compromise. This is actually a two
Speaker 3: parter because in addition to our interview, Emmanuel is also
Speaker 3: preparing a recipe for healthy energy balls, which will be
Speaker 3: available in one week both as an audio episode or
Speaker 3: you can watch the recipe video on Alternative Food networks
Speaker 3: YouTube channel. And just a gentle reminder to please subscribe
Speaker 3: to the Alternative Food Network YouTube channel. You'll get notified
Speaker 3: every time we upload a new video there, and of
Speaker 3: course I would appreciate it. And now I'd like to
Speaker 3: welcome Emmanuel to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: It's so great to be here and I cannot wait
Speaker 1: for us to discuss all things plump based and health
Speaker 1: and food.
Speaker 3: And for the listeners. Just so you know, we are
Speaker 3: recording this in the middle of the summer. Emmanuel is
Speaker 3: from England, right, but currently lives in Dubai, and I
Speaker 3: need to ask you how hot is it there? Right now?
Speaker 1: It is okay, so with six pm so it's cooled
Speaker 1: down a little bit. But earlier in the day forty
Speaker 1: six forty seven celsius degrees selfius, so a little toasty.
Speaker 1: And it's that time of year where it gets superhumid.
Speaker 1: You go outside and your glasses or your phone just
Speaker 1: instantly up. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Your phone steams like your phone and instantly your screen
Speaker 2: steams up.
Speaker 3: Wow. So do you spend time outdoors at all during
Speaker 3: the day, you.
Speaker 2: Know, unless I'm traveling, if I'm in Dubai, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: You can't. It's just it's so unpleasant.
Speaker 1: Dubai is built in a way where you go from
Speaker 1: places car to car, so you know, everything is designed.
Speaker 1: It's it's not like you have high streets or walking
Speaker 1: paths from one place of the city to the other.
Speaker 1: You go on your car for everything, because half of
Speaker 1: the year at least is too hot.
Speaker 2: To be outside. So they've done a really good job
Speaker 2: designing it so you can still live.
Speaker 1: But I do try to get away in summer just
Speaker 1: because I miss being outside and I need it so much.
Speaker 3: Wow. And then what about in the evening? Can you
Speaker 3: go out in the evening?
Speaker 1: You can physically go out, It depends if it's If
Speaker 1: it's not humid, you're fine, Like you can you can,
Speaker 1: I walk.
Speaker 2: I have to walk my dogs up day.
Speaker 1: We manage, but the humid evenings are the tough ones
Speaker 1: because it's really no break from the day. It's hot
Speaker 1: in the day and then it's humid and sticky in
Speaker 1: the evenings, and it's tough for a good four months
Speaker 1: of the year, but we get through.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, my dog could never live there. She
Speaker 3: could never make it. She's a burner doodle. She runs hot.
Speaker 3: Let's just say anyways, So in my introduction I said
Speaker 3: that you founded kind Luxury, so I wanted to understand
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Can you explain what that means?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to. So.
Speaker 1: Kind Luxury is a concept that came actually from living
Speaker 1: in Dubai and through my years of being a fitness
Speaker 1: coach and a nutrition coach, and to me, kind.
Speaker 2: Luxury is double sided.
Speaker 1: It means living well and enjoying the nice things in life,
Speaker 1: the finer things in life, luckuxuries and whatever that means
Speaker 1: to you. But it also means living compassionately because.
Speaker 2: I believe that.
Speaker 1: True luxury is not about excess. It's not about opulence,
Speaker 1: it's not about greed. And I'm not saying you can't
Speaker 1: enjoy those things. I think you know, each of us
Speaker 1: has our vices, and we love things that we love,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that. But my belief is
Speaker 1: that that shouldn't come at the expense of someone else.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't It shouldn't harm someone else. For you to
Speaker 1: have a luxurious life, that shouldn't harm anyone else.
Speaker 2: Now, the other.
Speaker 1: Side of kind of luxury is about taking that one
Speaker 1: step further and saying, Okay, now that I know that
Speaker 1: you know, luxury isn't if I have to harm someone
Speaker 1: to get it, it's not really luxurious. It then challenges
Speaker 1: you to think, well, what are the luxuries in life?
Speaker 1: Is luxury really being connected? Is it being connected to
Speaker 1: the people that you love. Is it being to the earth,
Speaker 1: is it being connected to animals? Is it giving more
Speaker 1: than you take?
Speaker 2: And you know, us.
Speaker 1: Humans were funny bunches, but nothing. I believe that nothing
Speaker 1: can really replace the feeling of doing something for someone
Speaker 1: or something that cannot give you something in return.
Speaker 2: Humans we love to do good things, We really do.
Speaker 1: And I feel like our society doesn't highlight this and
Speaker 1: doesn't push this as much as it should. It pushes,
Speaker 1: you know, the material things and the grind and the
Speaker 1: drive for more and more and more, But the real luxury,
Speaker 1: in my perspective, is connecting and finding deeper purpose and
Speaker 1: finding fulfillment. And you know what, I saw this a
Speaker 1: lot when I was doing a lot of fitness coaching.
Speaker 1: You can really be so disconnected from your body and
Speaker 1: not get the goals that you want to achieve and
Speaker 1: not you know, not be making the changes that you
Speaker 1: want because you're it's almost like you're outside of your body.
Speaker 1: And I feel like some of us I definitely did
Speaker 1: need a full one eighty to really look at look
Speaker 1: at intrinsically what's going on in our bodies and what's
Speaker 1: going on in our lives. And saying, you know, we
Speaker 1: really need to connect more, we need to connect to
Speaker 1: our bodies. We're so overly stressed, we're so you know,
Speaker 1: worked to the bone, and we're chasing things that aren't important.
Speaker 1: So the concept of kind luxury is sure defining what
Speaker 1: luxury means to you, but making sure that you're not
Speaker 1: harming to get that luxury. And it's also about assessing
Speaker 1: what really is luxury is it? Is it really that
Speaker 1: design a handbag or is it living a life of
Speaker 1: purpose and fulfillment and alignment and love and compassion. And
Speaker 1: that's definitely the journey that I've been on is finding
Speaker 1: out the latter is that luxury isn't about the latest
Speaker 1: handbag or the nicest watch. It's about being of service
Speaker 1: and it's such a rewarding experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it sounds to me like you've redefined for
Speaker 3: yourself what luxury is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, And I'm not here to tell anyone
Speaker 1: their definition of luxury. And don't get me wrong, Still,
Speaker 1: I live in Dubai and I still love, you know,
Speaker 1: nice things.
Speaker 3: I love jewelry.
Speaker 1: I'm a girl. I love pretty things, and there's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with that. But it's about how far are you
Speaker 1: willing to go What does luxury mean? Does it mean
Speaker 1: you're happy for something to suffer or you're happy to
Speaker 1: kill something or whatever to get what you want?
Speaker 2: Or where do you draw the line?
Speaker 1: Is it time that maybe you kind of you know,
Speaker 1: from time to time assessed, reassessed what luxury looks like
Speaker 1: rather than just following someone else's definition. And that's definitely
Speaker 1: what I did living in Dubai. I got told all
Speaker 1: the time what luxury is, what I should be aiming for,
Speaker 1: what I should be able to buy, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: And through that I realized that it actually wasn't what
Speaker 1: I was getting. That I was craving, which was the connection,
Speaker 1: which was the nature, which was the helping and said
Speaker 1: before being of service.
Speaker 3: So was it when you were living in Dubai that, like,
Speaker 3: was there a certain moment when you realized that your
Speaker 3: values weren't aligning with the traditional definition of what luxury is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, I think you know. For me,
Speaker 1: it was a process. I went plant based in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: so what is that nine years ago now? And in
Speaker 1: the beginning, I was extremely focused on the food because
Speaker 1: that's often the hardest part to conquer is the food,
Speaker 1: you know, figuring out what am.
Speaker 3: I going to eat?
Speaker 1: Like, you got to get past that first, because that's
Speaker 1: all about survival. And then as time goes on and
Speaker 1: you learn about industries and health and what people are
Speaker 1: trying to sell you and big Farmer and all these things,
Speaker 1: you start to ask questions and you start to expand
Speaker 1: on your knowledge and you start to build on this lifestyle.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are vegan and they eat
Speaker 1: vegan food, and that's it. It stops there, and that's
Speaker 1: absolutely you know, fine, you're doing an amazing job and
Speaker 1: we need people like you.
Speaker 2: But I got.
Speaker 1: Curious and I kind of was like, Okay, this extends
Speaker 1: further than food. This extends more into you know, cosmetics,
Speaker 1: This extends into clothes, leather, shoes, bags, whatever. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily remember a point at which I thought this isn't luxury,
Speaker 1: but I do remember feeling like there's not something quite
Speaker 1: right here, like I'm being sold something that I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily fully agree with. I think I need to think
Speaker 1: for myself. I think I need to find out things
Speaker 1: for myself. And it's just a natural progression of undoing
Speaker 1: what people are telling you and just figuring out for
Speaker 1: yourself what's important to you, how you want to live
Speaker 1: your life and how you want to have, what kind
Speaker 1: of lifestyle you want to have.
Speaker 3: So was the beginning, the beginning of that process. It
Speaker 3: started with plant based eating, Yeah.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, one hundred percent. Yeah, that was the catalyst.
Speaker 1: I was on I was on holiday with my parents
Speaker 1: in Spain, and you know, I was I saw something
Speaker 1: online that I didn't that I didn't want to see,
Speaker 1: and that was definitely the catalyst to thinking about my lifestyle,
Speaker 1: my choices, my health. Am I just following a system
Speaker 1: that everyone is expected or naturally follows, or is there
Speaker 1: a way that I could do it better? Could I
Speaker 1: live healthier? Could I eat better? Could I look after
Speaker 1: myself better? And I was already in nutrition and fitness
Speaker 1: at this point, so I was thinking, well, how can
Speaker 1: I teach my clients to be healthier? You know, is
Speaker 1: there another way? And there's always different ways of doing things.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it started with food, and it's
Speaker 1: still very much about the food. Food is obviously integral,
Speaker 1: you know, we need it, but it became so much
Speaker 1: more than that, and it became much more about a
Speaker 1: lifestyle as well as the importance of food.
Speaker 3: The food side of things. What's the biggest roadblock that
Speaker 3: you've found. Clients would tell you, I can't do this because.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the same everywhere, but in Dubai we
Speaker 1: have an extreme hustle mentality. The vast majority I think
Speaker 1: it's like eighty five to ninety percent of people that
Speaker 1: live in Dubai or the uae R. I think it's
Speaker 1: actually Dubai are expats. So everyone comes to work. Everyone
Speaker 1: has a very you know, transient mindset. I'll be here
Speaker 1: for X amount of years and then I go back
Speaker 1: to my home country. So for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: most people, time is the biggest blocker, time and habits.
Speaker 1: And I had this conversation a lot with my clients
Speaker 1: is that people want to go from zero to one hundred.
Speaker 1: It's the same when someone wants to try plant based
Speaker 1: or cutting out meat or whatever. Someone sees a documentary
Speaker 1: like but no conspiracy, what the health whatever, and they're like.
Speaker 2: Right, that's it. I'm done.
Speaker 1: I'm not eating animal products ever again, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out. And for most people, it's really
Speaker 1: hard to change your habits overnight. You know, it is
Speaker 1: extremely hard. You might do it for a day or two,
Speaker 1: but then the human brain kicks in, habits kick in,
Speaker 1: and you go back to your old ways. So in
Speaker 1: answer to your question, what are the blocks, it's it's
Speaker 1: mainly habits and time. And I think that we need
Speaker 1: to be kinder to ourselves and we need to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't fix everything today, but I can fix and
Speaker 1: get where I want to be eventually. So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I can't eat as healthy as I want you today,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to take the small blocks. I'm going
Speaker 1: to do the right things. I'm going to be one
Speaker 1: percent better every single day, and that's going to help
Speaker 1: me get to my overall goal. And I think once
Speaker 1: you're kind to yourself and you break down things into
Speaker 1: small steps and don't put that pressure on yourself to
Speaker 1: do everything on day one, then you're going to be
Speaker 1: so much more successful because your brain is going to
Speaker 1: have time to adapt, your body is going to have
Speaker 1: time to adapt, and that's really how we see sustainable results.
Speaker 3: And on the time for the listeners, just so you know,
Speaker 3: Emmanuel is going to be going into the kitchen and
Speaker 3: she is going to be making a great grab and
Speaker 3: go snack that takes what like five minutes to prepare.
Speaker 3: There are energy balls, and it will be available in
Speaker 3: a week's time, as I mentioned in the intro, But
Speaker 3: just to address what you were just saying that one
Speaker 3: one barrier or roadblock to people starting or implementing a
Speaker 3: plant based diet is time. It comes up all the
Speaker 3: time in our other episodes as well. And so these
Speaker 3: energy balls, they're so easy to make, and when you're
Speaker 3: in a rush, you literally grab and go and eat
Speaker 3: them and it fills you up. So I'm super excited
Speaker 3: that you're going to be going into the kitchen for us.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I feel like, let's not kid ourselves.
Speaker 1: We're all very busy and we just want sometimes the
Speaker 1: easiest option available, but we also want.
Speaker 2: You know, we're in our healthy era. We want to
Speaker 2: be healthy.
Speaker 1: We care about our wellness, and sometimes we might not
Speaker 1: have the most woomt thing. But as long as it's healthy,
Speaker 1: as long as it's nourishing, as long as it's tasty.
Speaker 1: There are so many things you can eat and so
Speaker 1: many things you can prep that are five to ten minutes.
Speaker 1: It's really it doesn't have to be a huge blocker
Speaker 1: to success time, you can really trim it down and
Speaker 1: still be healthy and eat delicious food.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to ask you. This was actually someone
Speaker 3: I work with asked me this question. I said, I
Speaker 3: will ask Emmanuel for you. If someone is interested not
Speaker 3: just in the food, but including the food aspect and
Speaker 3: plant based eating, but also some of the other things
Speaker 3: you were talking about about kind luxury. The person I
Speaker 3: work was asking me, how do you identify brands that
Speaker 3: fit within that thinking, like you know, cruelty free or
Speaker 3: ethically sourced. I mean, well the packaging always tell you
Speaker 3: or is there misleading packaging, like how do you identify
Speaker 3: by brands that you're comfortable eating, using, etc.
Speaker 2: You know, in this day and age, being green.
Speaker 1: Being environmentally friendly, being vegan got very trendy, and marketers
Speaker 1: realize this and they jumped on it. So, you know,
Speaker 1: in order to make more money, they pull up people's
Speaker 1: heartstrings and people They know that people don't have time
Speaker 1: to look up all the ingredients on a website of
Speaker 1: what's in the skincare or they know that they're not
Speaker 1: going to go research xyz.
Speaker 2: So marketing can be very misleading and we can.
Speaker 1: Get a bit modeled as to what is actually ethical
Speaker 1: and what is cruelty free, And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different topics. There is a product that is cruelty free,
Speaker 1: there is a product that is vegan, there is a
Speaker 1: product that is ethical.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean they're all each other.
Speaker 1: So you can be vegan, you can have say, for example,
Speaker 1: a vegan cosmetics brand can be vegan, but it might
Speaker 1: not be cruelty free, and it might not be ethical
Speaker 1: because cruelty free is about testing.
Speaker 2: On animals and whether they test on animals.
Speaker 1: Vegan is about what's in the ingredients, so does it
Speaker 1: come from animal derived sources? And being ethical expands into further.
Speaker 1: It expands into to fair labor, does it hold it
Speaker 1: up to environmental standards, and also all the other things
Speaker 1: about you know, does it hurt others in the process,
Speaker 1: does it.
Speaker 2: Test on animals?
Speaker 1: So we really have to read between the lines and manufacturers,
Speaker 1: I believe deliberately some manufacturers that's not fair. Some manufacturers
Speaker 1: do make it a little bit challenging, and they also
Speaker 1: want to take they want to jump on the on
Speaker 1: the bandwagon of being you know, vegan and quelty free
Speaker 1: and everything. But it's really important that you understand the
Speaker 1: key terms in terms of the differences between vegan, cruelty
Speaker 1: free and ethical companies, and we're getting better and we're
Speaker 1: getting clear it in the sense that it can be
Speaker 1: a little bit easier now with certifications. So for example,
Speaker 1: you've got Leaping Bunny, you've got Peter's Beauty Without Bunnies,
Speaker 1: you've got Choose Cruelty Free, which I think is an
Speaker 1: Australian certification, you've got the UK's Vegan Society Certified Vegan
Speaker 1: and depending on what you're looking for, it's important that
Speaker 1: you look out for these certifications because you can't lie
Speaker 1: about these certifications. So if you're looking for for example,
Speaker 1: for me, I would be looking for something cruelty free,
Speaker 1: vegan and ethical.
Speaker 2: So it has to tick all the boxes.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking for something that's not testing on animals,
Speaker 1: there's no animal derived ingredients, and it also includes fair
Speaker 1: labor and doesn't harm the environment.
Speaker 2: So you might have to look for three individual.
Speaker 1: Certifications on that product that you're buying, so it can
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a manhunt. Luckily, there are
Speaker 1: some tools that can help you that you can search
Speaker 1: and figure out what these brands are. It's a blessing
Speaker 1: in disguise because at this day and age, we're not
Speaker 1: quite at that point yet where everything is ethical and
Speaker 1: cruelty free. We're still you know, we're still responding to
Speaker 1: consumer demand which is slowly growing. So you do have
Speaker 1: to do a bit of the legwork yourself. For example,
Speaker 1: you might need to research, you know what, if you
Speaker 1: like a bag and you think, oh, it might be leather,
Speaker 1: but it might not, it might be non leather. You
Speaker 1: might have to go away and research what's this bag
Speaker 1: actually made of. Cosmetics is a little bit clearer, just
Speaker 1: because it's such an established industry now in terms of
Speaker 1: the quality free aspect, but there are things like shoes
Speaker 1: and it can be difficult to understand, and sometimes jewelry
Speaker 1: items can be difficult. Sometimes it can be you can
Speaker 1: buy something and think that it's pearl and it ends
Speaker 1: up being ivory. So it's a little challenging. But as
Speaker 1: I said, it's a blessing in disguise because while it's
Speaker 1: a bit more work, you end up learning so much
Speaker 1: about the industries and what you're trying to avoid, and
Speaker 1: you can educate people, and then you learn about the environment,
Speaker 1: and then you learn about where it came from and
Speaker 1: harmful labor practices, and it just makes you so much
Speaker 1: more aware and educated as a shopper, which is so
Speaker 1: important because I really believe on so many aspects we
Speaker 1: need to take our power back and we need to know.
Speaker 2: Where our dollar is going. And yeah, it's it's it's work.
Speaker 1: But once you kind of get the hang for it
Speaker 1: what you're looking for in terms of certification materials, it
Speaker 1: becomes easier.
Speaker 2: But it's a work in progress for sure.
Speaker 3: You mentioned there are some tools. Is there is there
Speaker 3: an app that you use or is there a website
Speaker 3: that you go to sometimes just for our listeners to
Speaker 3: maybe make it a bit for them.
Speaker 1: So there's If I'm shopping, I tend to go straight
Speaker 1: to the certifications because I know that there's no beating.
Speaker 2: About the bush.
Speaker 1: I know that if that if something's got a vegan
Speaker 1: certification or a Vegan Society certification.
Speaker 2: It takes all my boxes.
Speaker 1: If it's got a leaping bunny or a pita certification,
Speaker 1: it takes all my boxes.
Speaker 2: So usually when.
Speaker 1: I'm shopping, say for example, for cosmetics, some of my
Speaker 1: and and you'll see a pattern. So usually the clean
Speaker 1: brands will the ones that you know advertise that they're
Speaker 1: clean and low tox chemical free, etcetera. They'll usually follow
Speaker 1: usually not not guaranteed, they'll usually be more more ethical
Speaker 1: and more not test on animals and be vegan.
Speaker 2: So there tends to be a pattern. So what I
Speaker 2: often do is I use.
Speaker 1: Tools like EWG Verified, which has a big database of
Speaker 1: huge database of many cosmetics, many household products, pet things,
Speaker 1: and you can go in these products. There's another one
Speaker 1: as well called think Dirty, and also you can see
Speaker 1: from the packaging as well if it has those certifications.
Speaker 1: But i'd always look at your products that you love
Speaker 1: and use and see, you know, does this have the
Speaker 1: certification because most of the time companies will jump on
Speaker 1: the certifications because it just helps them, you know, get
Speaker 1: to the right consumers. If it doesn't have certifications, then
Speaker 1: you might need to do a little bit more more digging.
Speaker 1: So you have to figure out how far am I
Speaker 1: willing to go. Am I willing to support a company
Speaker 1: that is half cruelty free and half vegan, or am
Speaker 1: I not going to support them at all?
Speaker 2: And that's up to you.
Speaker 1: To make that decision, because it's the same as going
Speaker 1: to McDonald's and ordering a veggie burger. You're still getting
Speaker 1: the option, but you're supporting a brand that obviously you know,
Speaker 1: still sells me, still sells that. So and this is
Speaker 1: why there's no right or wrong answer, is that you
Speaker 1: just have to do the best you can. You have
Speaker 1: to eat the healthiest you can. You have to support
Speaker 1: where you can and make the right choices to the
Speaker 1: best of your ability.
Speaker 2: It's not about being perfect.
Speaker 3: If someone wants to hear more from you and see
Speaker 3: what else you're up to, where can they find you.
Speaker 2: I would love for your listeners to come and say hi.
Speaker 1: I love meeting new friends and I'm so for finding
Speaker 1: people who share the same interests and you know, on
Speaker 1: the same moral compass.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: And even someone who just needs help maybe with their
Speaker 1: health or figuring out where to get protein or where
Speaker 1: to find you know, healthy plant based foods, you can
Speaker 1: always come chat with me and come say hi. I'm
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Actually all my handles are the same. I'm
Speaker 1: very easy to find, so I'm on Instagram as a
Speaker 1: Manual Bontom, I'm on TikTok as a Manuel Bonom. I'm
Speaker 1: on YouTube as well as a Manuel Bonom. And yeah,
Speaker 1: come say hi, and I'd love to meet you.
Speaker 3: Well, this has been such a pleasure. It was so
Speaker 3: nice to meet you. I believe you reached out to
Speaker 3: us at the beginning, as I recall, Right, so I'm
Speaker 3: so happy you did and that this ended up working
Speaker 3: out and we got to do this interview. It really
Speaker 3: has been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd been following the podcast for a while and
Speaker 1: I like there's a lot of different aspects of plant
Speaker 1: based eating, and I love that you were focusing on
Speaker 1: the health aspect because it's so important, and you know,
Speaker 1: we we have to look after ourselves if we're going
Speaker 1: to do good for the planet and the animals, we
Speaker 1: have to we have to fuel ourselves probably look after ourselves,
Speaker 1: otherwise we can't show.
Speaker 2: Up for others. So I loved listening to the podcast.
Speaker 1: I love hearing all about you know, your tips and
Speaker 1: your tricks and from the health perspective, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: We should have a chat, like.
Speaker 1: Right, We managed to and we managed to make some
Speaker 1: healthy energy balls in the process.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, I'm so excited to try those. You know,
Speaker 3: we get a lot of requests for people wanting to
Speaker 3: be on the show, and thank you to anyone who
Speaker 3: might have contacted us. We just can't produce an episode
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