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Speaker 1: Just when you thought it was safe to go back

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in the water. Jason and d of the Shirly Can't

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Be Serious podcast, along with Jeff of the Film By Podcast,

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are tackling Jaws three D from nineteen eighty three. Jeff,

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how you doing, man, Welcome back?

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Speaker 2: I am doing great, feeling great. Ready to talk Jaws

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three D?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how you do.

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Speaker 3: I'm so mad at you, guys. I'm so mad. Hey,

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I don't like watching terrible movies, and you guys made

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me watch this terrible movie.

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Speaker 1: You walked out of the theater on Jaws three D in

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nineteen eighty three and have not revisited it until yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I have a couple of days ago, a couple days ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, first.

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Speaker 1: Thing we need to talk about out of the gate.

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You and I covered Jaws in season one. Compared that

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to Jurassic Park, all time classic movie, and Jaws is

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one of the great movies of the seventies.

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Speaker 3: You might call Jaws three D a combination of the

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two story ideas of Jaws and Jurassic Park.

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Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. That is very true. Before we

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go down this road, we should mention we are comparing

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Jaws three D from nineteen eighty three against Beverly Hills

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Cop three released in nineteen ninety four, two of the

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worst number threes in a successful franchise. Very true, We're

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gonna ask that question. We're we're gonna address that head on.

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Speaker 3: But to continue your storyline, we've covered Jaws. Yep. You

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better need a pig up coach a film buy covered

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Jaws two.

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Speaker 4: But I'm telling you, and I'm telling everybody at this table,

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that's a shock.

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Speaker 1: And I know what a shock looks like because I've

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seen one up close. And you better do something about

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this one because I don't tend to go through that

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hell a game.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Yes, last season on our limited series, A Film at

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forty five, where we celebrate the forty fifth anniversary of

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movies Jaws two.

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Speaker 3: Now that one Roy Scheider did as a way to

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get out of a two movie clause in a contract

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that he had. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: That is correct? Yeah? He famously said he would never

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return to the Jaws franchise after working on that one.

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Speaker 3: Messistophiles himself could not force me to do another Jaws movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what else he did? He went as

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far as signing on to do Blue Thunder intentionally so

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that he would be busy, so that they couldn't twist

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his arm and make him come back for it.

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Speaker 3: Have you guys seen Blue Thunder? Yes? Yes, And did

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he make the right choice.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely he did. But continuing on, Jeff, you guys

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covered Jaws two what a couple of seasons ago? Maybe

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last Yeah, last season? We did last season. And then

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Dee and I along with you and Brad, we covered

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Jaws of the Revenge Wow versus Superman four a couple

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of seasons ago, and we had a lot of fun

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doing that. We've had a blast doing that. Yeah, that

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and that turned out to be really good episod that.

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I think we've done Jaws one, just two Jos four.

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We cannot not do Josh three. Could have, but we're

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not going to. We are tackling on where's the completionist

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in ud let's do this.

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Speaker 3: So when we went to Jazz two, we had a

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different director than Jos one. Spielberg did not come back

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despite the fact that this is the Jaws made him,

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they brought in another director for Jos two who got fired.

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Speaker 2: I believe the original one got fired, and then Chaneault

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Speaker 3: Now, when that happened, they had kind of discussed having

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Verna Fields and Joe Alvis take over as directors, as

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co directors, right, that's right, Yeah, that is correct, and

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they said, no, we're not going to do that. We're

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we've got Joe Dante who's willing to direct. And they

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never directed a movie before. Oh which guy is that?

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the one where the shark didn't work. Yeah, we're going

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to have him come back on and we're going to

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Speaker 1: Our shark couldn't have killed over him.

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Speaker 3: Its mother did, Damn sharks.

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Speaker 1: We talked about how the entire movie of Jaws one,

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like the most common thing they would hear every morning

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and Joe Alves was the guy in charge of the Shark.

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Speaker 2: We don't get that iconic line without Joe Alvis, so

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Speaker 1: That much, right, That's right. Okay, So let's talk about

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what was originally on the slate to be Jaws three.

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Speaker 3: This is an amazing story right here.

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Speaker 1: It might be the movie I most want to see

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from the eighties that we didn't get. That's cup, Jeff,

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because I'm not just a listener. I'm a subscriber, you know,

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and I get these cool little bonus items. Okay. So

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Jaws three People.

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Speaker 3: Zero Yeah, National lampoon style.

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Speaker 1: Yes yeah. And they asked Joe Dante, who had directed

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the nineteen seventy eight Piranha movie as a spoof of Jaws,

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to be the director. He's like, yeah, let's do this.

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to Animal House and House all the National Lampoon stuff

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that he was going to come on as producer. Freaking

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John Hughes was brought on to help write the script.

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of fun in one I would want to watch.

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Speaker 3: And then Son of a Bee, stupid Steven Spielberg comes

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in and says, if you guys do this, I will

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walk away from Universal Pictures.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I believe that story. Okay, I mean

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Speaker 3: Right because it wasn't a Universal Pictures.

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to do something else. I don't know. I did read that.

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Speaker 3: I did not get a chance to read this.

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the shark in his swimming pool, which is cool. I

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people in this movie, and I get a little weird. Yeah,

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that this movie would have featured a naked Mary Kathleen

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Speaker 3: Mary Kathleen called me Mary Kathleen. I don't know who

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Speaker 1: Well, you might know her stage name as Bo Derek.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, okay, I'm down with that.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, why do I care? And

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Speaker 3: The same year that Tarzan a Man came.

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Speaker 1: Out, Tarzan a Man is eighty one?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is peak. This is peak peak Boeric.

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Speaker 1: But I did read that Steven Spielberg was not happy

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with it and threatened Universal, Hey guys, we're not doing this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also read Joe Dante that the producers his next

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door neighbors, Dick Xanak and David Brown.

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Speaker 3: The guys who had produced the original draws.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he thinks that they would have clashed heads with

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Matti Simmons eventually who wanted he wanted Matty Simmons wanted

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to do a raunchy animal house style comedy, and they

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Speaker 3: It was going to work anyway in the comedy. They

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were going to bring back Dreyfus. By the way, Richard

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Dreyfus was going to be in it with bo Derek.

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Speaker 1: That would have been amazing, That would have been a hit.

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This was no boating accident. I got something that might

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might blow your mind. Okay, let's have it. There's a

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little bit more to the story here, Okay. Which got

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the comedy, you know, basically like lampooning themselves. This is

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we get the alternate Jaws three script, which is all

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about the shark swimming into a saltwater river and gets

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trapped in a man made lake. Apparently they offered this

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to Spielberg. He turns down Jaws two because he's chasing

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aliens with Richard Dreyfuss in close encounters this time. He

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just he has no excuse, and he just said flat

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to own the sequel because I knew that when I

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't a hard decision to walk away from it.

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I just could not imagine going back out on the

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Speaker 1: How about SeaWorld. Let we like the we like the

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shark being trapped, but let's let's take it the sea World.

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to the electricated.

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Speaker 3: Shark, Well they had I mean the production company on

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this was not actually Universal. Universal was kind of calling

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some shots, but it had been purchased by Alan Landsberg Productions.

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Speaker 1: Eighties, I love, I love that's incredible.

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Speaker 3: So that's the guy that took over the Jaws Frank Well.

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Speaker 1: Where's Fran targeted? And Kathley Crosby.

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Speaker 3: If we'd have had Fran Tartan Kathley Crosby in the

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Speaker 1: Hey. You know, we talked about why they did this initially.

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make some more of these because they are doing great,

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people love them.

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Speaker 3: As it turns out, they were actually right. This was

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the fifteenth highest grossing movie of nineteen eighty three, a

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Speaker 3: They were right this steaming pile of.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, this is not a steaming pile just yet.

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Speaker 3: Well, not my money, but my dad's money.

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Speaker 1: He got my money.

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on the way out or not. I think he was

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probably so pissed he just did get in the car

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and go home. I mean, I literally I can remember

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this happening. I remember where we sat. I remember that

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we were midway, but we didn't go to the middle.

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but we didn't go to the middle of the seat.

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you didn't have nice, comfy theater seats. You had crappy

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folding to the theater seats, right right, So we sat

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in the aisle. I'm second seat over, he's in the aisle,

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because at seven years years old, any movie is good, right, right,

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any movie is good. I mean people are talking and occasionally,

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you know, and I've got three D glasses on this

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the first three D movie I've ever seen in my life,

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and like, I'm like, oh, this is not as cool

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as I thought it would be, but it's still interesting, right,

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you know, these things are floating and it looks like

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they're in a different plane of yeah, okay, great. And

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then all of a sudden it's come on and I'm on.

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What He's like, come on real eving. I'm like, well, movies,

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He's like, I'm not watching the rest of this. In

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my head, I'm just thinking I didn't know this was allowed.

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and when the movie wasn't over yet. And so from

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that point on, I have always wondered, Hey, how did

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this movie turn out? Was it any good? Was it

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wrong for my dad to have taken me taken me

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out of this? And I've come to the answer answer

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is it was not wrong. He saved me, and you

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sons made me drink the sour milk again.

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Speaker 1: Oh what are you talking about? Let me paint an

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alternate picture for you. Okay, Imagine August of nineteen eighty three.

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A young Jason is ten years old, got the three

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D glasses on, ready to see some shark munch on

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some people. And it's right before school starts, and it's

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one of those sort of evening matinees. I'm with Patreon,

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remember Chris, Alexander, his dad, his brother. We're all enjoying

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a summer movie. We gotta get some ice cream afterwards.

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It's a great day in the summer of nineteen eighty

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three for young me. I loved it. I had a blast.

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Is it fun? Yes? I'm going with fun. Jeff, where

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are you? I'll tell you. I remember my first time

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watching this. It was at my aunt's house.

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Speaker 2: She was babysitting me, and I remember maybe twenty minutes

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thirty minutes into it, I was like, this sucks. And

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I spent the rest of that night playing with my

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superpowers figures. Had a great time. But just not with

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this movie now watching it as an adult, you know,

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like the last time we talked Sharks, I told you, guys,

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this one's a dumpster fire. Still is, but the fire's

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just not raging my last rewatch, I kind of have

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come come around. I'm a little softer on it now,

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and I think that has to do with Halloween three

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season of the Witch.

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Speaker 1: I know that's a curve ball.

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Speaker 2: But when Halloween three Season the Witch comes out, it

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doesn't have Michael Myers, it's not a great movie, and

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everyone trashes it. Right twenty thirty years later, it's a

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cult classic and we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: For being the non canon Halloween film. Jaws three is

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the non canon Jaws film. When Jaws Revenge came out,

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their press release said, this is the true number three.

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So looking back, when you look at this as more

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of a what if, because it's not the same birdie children,

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it's not the same setting, I can kind of appreciate

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it more as just a fun shark attack movie and

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not necessarily a Jaws film. This is the never say

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never again of Jaws. Good point.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is Never say Never much better than Jaws

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three D. But you know, I've got a couple of

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things I can talk. I can say there's some good

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things about this film, but I can say plenty that

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isn't good about this film.

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Speaker 1: So okay, before we get into what works and what doesn't.

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I want to mention that nineteen eighty three was like

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the year of the three. Think about it. We had

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Jaws three, we had Superman three, we had Star Wars three,

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otherwise known as Return of the Jedi. We had Amityville three,

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and we had Halloween three. Right, that was nineteen eighty three,

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was it not?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that one, but I can't tell you.

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Friday the thirteenth three, I think I think that one

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might be.

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Speaker 1: I look, that was eighty two? Was it eighty two?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: But still right in that area, we have the resurgence

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of the three D movie. Oh yeah, it's in full effect.

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So I was dazzled as a ten year old with

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my three D glasses on, with the red and the blue,

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you know, the old school, which is part of the

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reason why when anytime it was on HBO after this,

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it looked terrible. The picture quality was awful, the two

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D rendering on this film, and granted, usually a three

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D film on regular television does it look it's not

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gonna look great, but this one is spectacularly bad. Yeah,

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all right? Were ready to talk about what works and

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what doesn't? Sure, I would love to know what d

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thinks works in this movie. Honestly, all white shirts are killers.

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I know them for got six, my father, my brother, myself.

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Speaker 3: They're murderers. I think I've got three things, Okay. Number one,

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I really enjoyed the Ocean, Pacific and Panama Jack T

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shirts that people were wearing in the park. Yes, thought

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that was great.

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Speaker 1: That is great.

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Speaker 3: I want those shirts back. I'm like, man, can I

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just find I'm gonna go back. I spent six dollars

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and ninety nine cents to buy the Blu ray on

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this thing, and if I if I have to find

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a value in it, it's gonna be that. I'm gonna

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go back to take a screenshot of those things and

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see if I can't find it on eBay somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Now, so that if you get an op T shirt

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out of this deal, you're gonna call it a win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only win.

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Speaker 1: I want an op T shirt, all right. I'll try

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to do O P T shirts all around, and if

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we could, we could certain style Jack gonna.

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Speaker 3: Be vintaged nineteen eighty three op T shirt new like

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no cool with the surf stuff. Yes, no, that's number one.

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Number two, they didn't show the shark right off the

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bat like they did and Jaws the Refine. Yeah, is

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the best story idea of this otherwise horrible mash of

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stuff is they said, let's try to hide the shark

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like we did in part one because it didn't work,

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and then every thing lea Thompson and a bikini. That's all.

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That's all I've got. I've got nothing positive to say

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about this movie.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's expound on that just a little bit. Okay,

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because the shark it's hidden, and actually you get a

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switch through kind of in the middle. You get a

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plot twist if you will. The mother is inside the park.

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Speaker 3: Overman was killed inside the park, the baby was caught

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inside the park.

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Speaker 1: Its mother is inside the park. Yes, but they also

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do almost all of their diving at night, which I

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think adds tension and scared the crap out of me

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as a ten year old kid. Everything they do diving

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wise happens in the middle of the night for some reason.

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And the shark stayed in the water, unlike Jaws of Revenge,

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which we complained about during the Jazz Revenge thing, right.

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Speaker 3: And it didn't make any noises, it did not roar.

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Speaker 1: It did have one kind of raw it growls, it growled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I might I might have been nodding off

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of that one.

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Speaker 1: And then you do have the shark pov right, so

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you're looking up at the water skiers, which I think

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that's always good. Yeah, I love that absolutely. Wait what

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do you got for us? As far as what worked?

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I got a couple of things that works for me.

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Speaker 2: The concept of the sea world being attacked by a

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baby and mother shark.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. It was time to get out

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of Amity. If John mcclan's going to fight terrorists for

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a third time, get him out of the airport, get

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him in a new setting.

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Speaker 2: Jaws does this, and I think it works. Moving it

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to Orlando was it was a good move. The reveal

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of Shelby's corpse I think was awesome, probably the more

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probably the gooriest part of the whole movie that you know,

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And it's a great jump scare, kind of a call

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back to Ben Gardner.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about are you talking about where the

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corpse floats up, floats up in the water. Are you

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talking about where they pull the pull the sheet back

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and he looks at the face, which one.

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Speaker 2: Of those I'm going I'm going underwater Kingdom when he

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just kind of floats into that little girl's perspective and

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she freaks out and.

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Speaker 3: Somebody smashes her face against the window.

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Speaker 1: Yeah him, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you on

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I thought that was terrible what it was like in

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the original. You've you've got a completely dark black hole

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and then just you know, it just reveals itself. Where

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is this when you're looking at a bright, sunny, blue

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tropical fish and this guy floats up? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not I'm not saying it's it's better. I'm

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just saying it's it's a throwback.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a kind of a callback to Ben Gardner,

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Like I could see what they're doing with that. I'm

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not saying it's better.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, listen, appreciate whenever that guy gets attacked

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in the first place and the goggles float down and

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land on on the coral, that's a throwback to Lawrence

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of Arabia. But that doesn't make it good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well, let me let me try a

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couple other things I thought work for the movie.

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Speaker 2: Keep going, Jeff, I'll hold him off. Lewis Gassa Junior

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as Calvin Burchard.

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Speaker 1: Come on, he is.

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Speaker 2: He is hot off his Academy award win for an

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officer and a gentleman. He's kind of our Mayor Vaughan substitute.

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He's just having a good time. I love Louis Gossa Junior.

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I know, I know we recently sadly we lost.

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Speaker 1: Him recently here, but just the other day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime I get a chance to talk Louis Goussa Junior.

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And I know we've talked about him several times on

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a film buy, I was just happy to talk jolls

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three of you guys because I was like, here's another

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option to talk lou gossip.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was great.

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Speaker 3: I saw something that had a drinking game rules for

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this movie, and one of the take a drink moments

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was every time that Louis goss said yeah yeah, and

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then we haven't dinner. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: I I called Jeff today and I'm like, Who's dialect

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was better Lewis Gossid Jr. And Jazz three or Jake

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and Jos four. Come on you overgrown gold Bis, come

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uncle jig oh Lewis Gosa Oh, it's GOSSIPR.

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Speaker 2: I got one more thing that I thought worked pretty

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well for this film, okay, which got Fitzroy's death.

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Speaker 1: This is a chance.

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Speaker 2: We've seen the shark crunch into into somebody time and

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time again for the first couple of movies, and when

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we go inside, we get that pov inside the shark's

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mouth and we're watching him get crushed and crunched, and

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he's gurgling and there's blood.

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Speaker 1: I really liked that. I thought that was a That

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was a cool, cool shot that the director gave.

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Speaker 3: Us on this one we hadn't seen before. I have forgot.

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I had forgotten that that actually was. That was decently done.

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I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Can I say one more thing about uh Lucassa Jr. Yeah,

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I think he's a shrewd businessman in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: Three, Why don't we blow it? Listen, listen, neft it's

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two and a half million dollars turn bine.

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Speaker 1: That's not gonna go up and smoke because of some

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some some damn fish shut the pumps down.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we gotta remember he spends thirty four million

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00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:13,079
dollars on this epic underwater undersea kingdom that it takes

471
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,240
four years to build thirty four million dollars in nineteen

472
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,240
eighty three, So I know that's a lot of money.

473
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,720
But for what he builds, man, he is cutting corners.

474
00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:23,200
He is making some great deals. I don't know what

475
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:23,880
was involved.

476
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,759
Speaker 3: That's worth a billion dollars now, cutting corners so that

477
00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:29,599
it cannot withstand a bump from a dark.

478
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: Well, you got Dennis quaidon call. He got down there

479
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,920
and got a pass in. So get down there and

480
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,480
weld in the middle of the night and fix that thing.

481
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,680
That's all I got for what what worked for me though.

482
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,799
Speaker 3: Hey, Jeff, have you seen The Meg?

483
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,519
Speaker 1: Yes, I've seen both of them.

484
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 3: Okay, is the Meg just I mean, is it blatantly

485
00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:49,200
copying the ideas of Jaws three and doing it better?

486
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,519
Speaker 1: Yes, you've You've.

487
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 3: Still got the shark banging into the underwater glass capsule

488
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,880
and breaking it. Yep. And you've got the surprise twist

489
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,000
of there's two of them mm hmm. And they pulled

490
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,359
that off way better in the Meg. Even though The

491
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,000
Meg is not a particularly great movie, it's still they

492
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,480
pulled that part off very well.

493
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:08,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

494
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,319
Speaker 2: I've talked about the Meg before. Both of them I

495
00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:14,200
think are just fun popcorn movies. Just it's a fun

496
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,759
summer popcorn movie.

497
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:16,559
Speaker 1: I don't want a lot.

498
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: Just show me some cool shark attacks and let me

499
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,319
see Jason Statham do some cool stuff.

500
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: That's it. But they did it way better than joll

501
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,200
three ever could. Hey, you want me to hit you

502
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,799
with what I think works? What works for you, Jason.

503
00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:29,960
Since I'm the biggest fan of this movie, I guess

504
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,160
I'll wait for the end to tell you what I

505
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,640
think works on this. I think the premise of capturing

506
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:38,920
a great white shark and placing it in an amusement

507
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,799
park it's a great hook. Now, the execution is not perfect.

508
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,519
It don't necessarily stick the landing. But when you tell

509
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:47,839
me that this is what JOS three is going to

510
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,839
be about, there's a baby great white capture inside Sea

511
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,000
World and Mama gets mad, I'm like, okay, you know,

512
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,759
I'm on board with that. I'm ready to go.

513
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,519
Speaker 3: The pilot in the movie Alive didn't stick the landing.

514
00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:02,480
This was as.

515
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: I like that.

516
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:10,079
Speaker 2: There's a good commentary between Calvin and k about this

517
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,200
is an opportunity that no one's ever had, you know,

518
00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:15,079
a great white in captivity. Think of the dollars as

519
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,160
opposed to fitz Royce, who just wants to kill it

520
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,920
live on television, and it's you know, think about we

521
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,519
don't have great rights in captivity. There's a reason for that,

522
00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:26,319
and so I liked that they explort it honestly.

523
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: Okay, let me. I want to talk about the cast

524
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,079
for a second. I think that they nailed a young,

525
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:35,400
kind of unknown cast early in the eighties. You have

526
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,880
a young, handsome, heroic Dennis Quaid who's playing Mike Brody.

527
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: Hey, is this my all right? I'll have beer.

528
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:55,319
Speaker 1: And cocaine and totally fuel by cocaine, right, Yeah. I

529
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,480
believe his quote was there was not a frame of

530
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:59,680
this picture that I was not high. I believe it.

531
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,559
But this is right before he gets the right stuff

532
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,640
and then takes off. I mean he's in inner space

533
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,759
and he's Doc Holliday and all these other I mean,

534
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,400
he's he goes on to a star spangled career. After

535
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,440
Jows three, you have Bess Armstrong, who I told die

536
00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:17,920
she was a babe for about fifteen minutes, and they

537
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,519
captured that moment in time.

538
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,839
Speaker 3: She was not a babe.

539
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,559
Speaker 1: She was she was a cutie pie.

540
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: She was not a cutie pie.

541
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,039
Speaker 1: He was a cutie pie for about fifteen minutes.

542
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: She is There's literally nothing sexually appealing about her at all.

543
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:35,440
She is not not ugly, but like she looks like

544
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,759
she should be in a high coller little house on

545
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:43,079
the prairie style dress and her haircut makes you think

546
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,000
that Mike Brody had a thing for his mom because

547
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,119
she looks like a younger version of Lorraine No, Yes.

548
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:53,599
Speaker 1: No from Jaws, from the first Jaws.

549
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: Yes.

550
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,759
Speaker 1: My take would be that she's hot in the way

551
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,480
that Adrian. She's potentially hot, like like think like Adrian

552
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,039
and Adrian from Rocky.

553
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the potential they share the same amount of hotness.

554
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,599
I'll go with you on that.

555
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:14,759
Speaker 1: There's potential there.

556
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: And what is the deal with her kissing her boyfriend's

557
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,599
brother open mouth? I mean, number one, her kisses are

558
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,279
very awkward. They're very the every kiss that she delivers

559
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,200
is awkward. But the fact that she also kisses her

560
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:31,400
not brother in law, I don't even know what you

561
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,480
call him, but what and they do a little sandwich

562
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:35,200
of doctor k.

563
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: Hey, here's my here's my brother, let's make up. I

564
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,799
just because I even watching this recently, I didn't really

565
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,759
pick up on the fact that did she know him

566
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,119
from a prior visit because he's from Amity, but he's

567
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,240
coming in from Colorado. He went to Colorado because of

568
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,240
the fear. The fear. Yeah, he had a he had

569
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,359
he had an issue with with the you.

570
00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:58,079
Speaker 3: Can add you can add that to a very very

571
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,319
long list of unanswered questions as far as characters and

572
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,079
what happened with them in this story.

573
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: I want to know I when you and your dad

574
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,319
walked out of the theater, when you got up that

575
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,160
there's a loudspeaker voice that was like, bother you guys

576
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:12,920
to your nearest can be in exit.

577
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,559
Speaker 3: No, there was somebody running around in absolute panic trying

578
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,720
to warn an entire part full of people that this

579
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,000
was the worst movie ever. He wrecked a golf cart.

580
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,000
He jumped into the water with his shoes on. He

581
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,400
had coke streaming out of his nose. A good thing

582
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,519
he did in a panic? Or use the enercom.

583
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: What he used? What he had? He had a megaphone,

584
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,880
that was it and a microphone.

585
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, question that we can't answer.

586
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: While we're talking about little brother Sean, he shows up

587
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,440
twelve months early for the Footloose casting call to play

588
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,920
Willard and I just can't figure that out. I understand

589
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,359
if you're going.

590
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: To go to school out of state, but that doesn't

591
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:58,960
mean you become that state. He shows up in his

592
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,720
cowboy hat and his boy boots and his yawls and the.

593
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: Heels of urban cowboy.

594
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: There were a lot of folks doing that back in there. Okay,

595
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,400
he's an amity New York cowboy. There's another sequel that

596
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,720
we missed out on. Hey, by the way, I'll just

597
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:20,279
add to the Lea Thompson discussion. And she puts his

598
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:23,279
cowboy hat on and says, you don't swim, not even

599
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:24,240
with friends.

600
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: That works.

601
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: Well, you're doing anything.

602
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Leah Thompson, I didn't realize this is our

603
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:34,240
feature film debut. Abe. That's not what she told the

604
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:39,079
casting director whenever she had been in a few other movies,

605
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,319
like fluffed her experience, and by fluffed, I mean lied

606
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:46,680
about uh and I mean it worked out. She got

607
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,759
this part and then just two years later she's back

608
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:50,039
to the.

609
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,279
Speaker 1: Future Lorraine Midfly. Yeah, that's a great gamble.

610
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:56,039
Speaker 2: I mean, think about this eighty three. It's not like

611
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,319
you can just check her out on Google. I mean,

612
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:00,319
you're if you're not going to like the he does

613
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:00,720
you know the.

614
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,759
Speaker 1: Filing system at the library or calling around town like yeah,

615
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,599
good for her.

616
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,599
Speaker 3: And she had to have done I mean, all the

617
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,759
right moves was right around this time too, right after,

618
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,480
right after, right the very next movie. She probably was

619
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,799
able to get that movie by saying, Hey, I'm just

620
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,400
I've just been in the Jaws sequel, a pretty major

621
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,480
part in the Jaws. You ever heard of Jaws?

622
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm in that movie.

623
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you want me for this movie? Before anybody

624
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,240
knew how bad it was.

625
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:28,319
Speaker 1: By the way, Jennifer Jason Lee almost got the part

626
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,640
of Kelly BATASKI. That would have been good.

627
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: That would have been as frustrating, though, because with Jennifer

628
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,519
Jason Lee, I always expect to see her breasts and

629
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,400
this was a deliberately PG movie where they left all

630
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:48,720
of the breast stakes out resting three D.

631
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: Midnight Swims with a Shark. We missed out on this. Okay,

632
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,920
anything else good to add to the list here?

633
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: Hey.

634
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,839
Speaker 1: Richard Matheson and Carl Gottlieb wrote the script. I won't

635
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,119
hold that against them. Where they got it got hacked

636
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:01,839
to pieces, but.

637
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: Richard Matheson wrote a script with Michael Caine for this movie.

638
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:09,720
What Yeah, I thought I'd throw you off with that one.

639
00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:12,160
It's it was a guy named Michael Caine k a

640
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:17,480
n e yes nut but ironic not hogy, Yeah, not

641
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,519
hogy ironic. What happened with Jaws The Revenge? Different? Different?

642
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:21,279
Michael Caine?

643
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: I knew one armed man who took him two minutes

644
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,480
to do the one on one minute wall was Come on, Ellen,

645
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,000
give it a kick? Yes, okay, Well, let's talk about

646
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,160
what doesn't work.

647
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:32,279
Speaker 3: Everything you can.

648
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,799
Speaker 1: Tell Shelby Overman for me, he can take a fine

649
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,640
leap and a rolling stonnut on a gravel driveway. You

650
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,880
hear any one to try us off? All right, let's

651
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,359
let's talk about what doesn't work. We've already touched on

652
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,440
this a little bit, but using the Brody characters, we

653
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,279
know that this isn't this isn't Cannon, And this movie

654
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:51,920
would have been so much better as just a shark

655
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,200
thriller if this just could have happened to some other

656
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,640
people at Sea World Orlando. We did not need to

657
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,559
jam the Brody lineage down down our throat on this one.

658
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: So that doesn't work if you're gonna do it, acknowledge

659
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,240
it more than something happened to him when he was

660
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,599
a kid, and he's scared of the water. I mean, yeah,

661
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,160
if this is Sean and Mike Brody, this is the

662
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,160
third time they've gone through something like this, acknowledge that.

663
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,720
Don't act like it's they've never had some to deal

664
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,039
with something like this before. Bring up the dad having

665
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,559
to kill two great whites in their past and having

666
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,519
witnessed people being massacred, none of that. Why wouldn't you

667
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,200
go into that.

668
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point, Michael has had two very intense

669
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,839
encounters with a shark. You know, he gets the scare

670
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,359
in the Bay, you know where they have to take

671
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,519
him to the hospital and Jaws. Obviously, him and his

672
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,920
buddies all get their smaller boats get destroyed at the

673
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,279
end of Jaws too, So he's pretty happy go lucky

674
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,759
about it, where Sean's just the dealing with some severe

675
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:55,200
PTSD over I don't know, seeing his brother almost get eaten.

676
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:57,920
So yeah, it doesn't work. Just get rid of the

677
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,839
Brody characters, that's all you do. Dennis Quaid could have

678
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,720
been anybody else but Mike Brady. That's one problem. Another

679
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:08,720
big problem. This shark is boring. And what I mean

680
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,759
by that is the mouth moves little, if at all.

681
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:17,240
We just get that same static, very gummy looking shot

682
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,799
doesn't really move its mouth, and the climactic break through

683
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,720
the glass scene it's it's basically it looks like a

684
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,000
cardboard cutout of a shark that's just slowly inching along.

685
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,799
Speaker 1: It's tear and I look, I get it.

686
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,039
Speaker 2: We know that's three D effects rendering to two D,

687
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:33,400
but that doesn't excuse the fact that even in three

688
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,119
D it probably did not look fantastic.

689
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,319
Speaker 1: This shark, that's a boring shark.

690
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: As far as it's certain, I'm going to jump on

691
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,519
everything that you say here and take it up a notch.

692
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,759
So they I watched the making of I did. I

693
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,400
watched the making of Jaws three, which, by the way,

694
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,519
for the first it's a forty five minute thing. For

695
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,079
the first twenty minutes all they do is like live

696
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,160
shots of real sharks and scenes from Jaws one and

697
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:00,640
Jaws two. That's how little faith they had in their

698
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,720
own movie. But when when they did start talking about

699
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,559
Jaws three, they talked about how precise they were about

700
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,680
making sure that this robotic shark's mouth operated like a

701
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,759
real great white's mouth where the teeth protrude from the mouth. Good.

702
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:20,240
Why didn't we get to see any of that, Like,

703
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:24,599
we didn't see that one single time, not once. And

704
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,000
to add onto your you know, the phenomenally terrible slow

705
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,720
motion attack of the where they literally have the characters

706
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,759
scream in slow motion as the shark moves in what

707
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,240
appears to be slow motion. This is the same shark

708
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,440
that we saw just a bit ago keeping up with

709
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,920
the skiers on a set boat, Like, this is the

710
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,039
fastest great white in history, and now when it's about

711
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:52,279
to attack, it has to ram the window that is

712
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,440
made with glass that is supposed to withstand the pressure

713
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,799
of being underwater. It's moving at the speed of paint.

714
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just to jump on what you guys

715
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,039
are saying. One of the things that I don't think

716
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,400
works is literally we go from we think there's a

717
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:13,000
shark somewhere in the vicinity to the shark it's the

718
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,840
bumber cars, It attacks the skiers, it attacks the tube.

719
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,239
It's like terrorizing this SeaWorld park.

720
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,079
Speaker 3: For my positive lists, because I was really trying to

721
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:25,440
find positives, I was going to mention that they used

722
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,159
live shark footage in this. I thought that was a

723
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:33,159
great part of part one. The Valerie Taylor whatever her

724
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,800
husband's name is. Those guys had film stuff that they

725
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,320
used live real sharks, and that's great. They use it

726
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,320
in this, but for some reason they decided to speed

727
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,400
it up, speed it up or slow it down in

728
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:49,280
some kind of nonsensical way, which ruined the positive aspect

729
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,559
of using the live shark footage in the first place.

730
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: I got one, I got one more thing, go for it.

731
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,320
I can go either way on a freeze frame ending.

732
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: However, this is the most horrible version of a freeze

733
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:06,320
frame ending ever because we get this great, happy, mega

734
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,039
terrific ending where you got Mike and Ka and the dolphins,

735
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:14,719
Cindy and Sandy all waving at us with a big smile,

736
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,360
like the dolphins are even with their their fins are waving.

737
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,000
I just it's so cringe worthy. I mean, I'm just like,

738
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,800
and you get the shout all right, yeah, thank you

739
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,800
for the Mentos fresh Maker, because it's that's terrible. Okay,

740
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,039
we've already talked about what for me, what doesn't work?

741
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,880
I think the picture quality is terrible until twenty twelve.

742
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:41,400
The effects are awful. The shark on a railroad system.

743
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:44,519
The cardboard Shark cut out the money shot of the movie.

744
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,599
You can't spend a five extra bucks to make his

745
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,920
tail wag, you know, or something something make him wiggle

746
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,800
a little bit. The submarine going across where they're like,

747
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,400
oh yeah, Mike, kay, we see you looks like, you know,

748
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,000
a clash of the Titans effect or yeah yeah, very animated.

749
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,519
There's a lot of pointing and motioning and grunting by

750
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:07,079
the actors. Under the water there's a whole lot of

751
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:14,559
and then the dolphins versus the shark scene is cringeworthy.

752
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,679
It's ridiculous.

753
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: On this week's episode of Flipper, Flipper Encounter is not one,

754
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:26,320
but two great white I got one more thing.

755
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: I told d the end of the movie really worked

756
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,360
for me as a kid. You've got a dead guy

757
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,320
hanging out in the shark's mouth with a grenade in

758
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,519
his hand. With a grenade, yeah right, I can't get

759
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,960
out of my car without dropping my phone, but the

760
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,400
dead man is holding the grenade firmly in his hand. Okay,

761
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,079
With the dead man still in the shark's mouth, the

762
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,599
shark goes and eats somebody in the control room Yeah,

763
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,280
the nephew drags him out, presumably eats him, doesn't matter.

764
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,039
He works his way around the grenade, but just the

765
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,320
fact that the arm grenade is still holding it securely

766
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,320
long enough for them to pull the pin and you know,

767
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,639
blow the floating three d jaws at us.

768
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: Can we just quickly mention the world's most difficult carnival

769
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,880
game because Dennis quad in scuba gear fashions some kind

770
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,480
of hook in front of the in front of the

771
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,559
great white shark, and then as k is jabbin at him,

772
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:20,880
we're gonna believe that he sticks this thing in the

773
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,760
shark's mouth, catches the pin on the grenade and pulls it.

774
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,679
Speaker 3: I get my ke, he's locked in my car. I'm

775
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,639
calling Dennis Quaid.

776
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: Now, don't forget the World's Greatest drinking game too. It's

777
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,719
all about balance.

778
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 3: So this is a real game. Like I thought that

779
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,719
this had to become something completely made.

780
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: Up it and this is really to be real. This

781
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:40,079
is a real game.

782
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: I literally texted you guys during this part, I'm like,

783
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,920
what is this phony maloney balance game that they're doing

784
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,519
in the bar. It's called standoff and apparently you have

785
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,239
to plant your feet and the objective is to make

786
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,639
the other guy fall down. I don't know if in

787
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,320
real life that it looks as ridiculous as it did

788
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,880
in this movie, but it is a real game. I

789
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,480
think it's more like something the kids play than like

790
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:03,320
grown ups play.

791
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: But we used to play a recess you really, Yeah

792
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,719
it did. I'm bringing this back to all the pubs

793
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,760
I go to, Okay, and I do want to bring

794
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,480
up one other thing that I think worked, And I

795
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,599
just want to double down on what you said, Jeff.

796
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:18,679
When fitz Royce is inside the shark's mouth, for me,

797
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,480
that was nightmare fuel as a ten year old god,

798
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,800
it's one thing to get chomped and like chewed up

799
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,880
by a shark, but to be like swallowed or like

800
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,920
stuck inside the shark and you can't get out. That

801
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:33,000
scared scared me a lot as a kid. So yeah,

802
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,039
this is you know, Kay, lets us know this is

803
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:39,400
a thirty five foot mother shark, so very easily you can,

804
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,159
you know, if you're going to swallow the guy from animal,

805
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:46,480
this is no big task for the shark. I don't

806
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,920
think that was a scary scene, though maybe probably the

807
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,679
scary scene.

808
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it my turn?

809
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it's your turn. Okay, hit us with what doesn't work.

810
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 3: So this is a story that actually had potential, right,

811
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,199
you guys have it out that Hey, this idea that

812
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,519
sharks invade a And when I told my son about it,

813
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,440
I was like, they're in this like kind of park,

814
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,639
aquatic park. It's kind of like SeaWorld. And then I

815
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,679
turned it on. I'm like, holy it is what did

816
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,960
they approve this? I mean they're all over this.

817
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: What the giant commercial for SeaWorld. No it's not this.

818
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:22,519
Don't take your family to SeaWorld.

819
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: I was gonna say this is the worst thing for

820
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:29,480
SeaWorld until Blackfish. My friend, this is this is terrible.

821
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,880
But anyway, they the idea that there's an invasion. That's

822
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,599
a good idea, but they totally they don't use any

823
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:41,159
of the opportunities that come along with that idea, and

824
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,000
when they do, they do a terrible job of it.

825
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,000
Then who's the bad guy in this? Are we gonna

826
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,559
say Lewis guys a junior? I mean he's he's the

827
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:54,719
most watered down version of the mayor from the It's

828
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,599
not him. And then I thought it was Rice Troy,

829
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,199
Like I thought it was going to be the guy

830
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,280
from Animal I thought he was gonna be. Yeah, because

831
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,400
there's this opportunity of okay, he's he's hitting on doctor

832
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,760
k and so there's going to be this animosity and

833
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,760
then maybe he's the guy that's sacrificed. Oh, none of that,

834
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,760
that total you. He's not a bad guy. He's not

835
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,039
a good guy. He's just a guy who wants to

836
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,800
kill the shark with a grenade. And that's a He's

837
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,280
a plot point. Yeah, he's not a character. He's a

838
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,400
plot point, but he's a character that could have been

839
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,960
and he wasn't. And then there's no tension between Dennis

840
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,559
Quaid and bess what's her name, I'm strong Armstrong. There's

841
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,920
no there's no love tension between them, but there was

842
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,320
a total opportunity. He's got this job. I guess they

843
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,559
need aquatic engineers in Venezuela. So he's got this big

844
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:44,119
job offer, and maybe there's some tension with her trying

845
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,760
to figure out, oh do I stay here with Shamou

846
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,719
or do I go with my boyfriend? And now it's

847
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,559
all just kind of yeah, okay, I'll go with you.

848
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:53,199
Well I'll just quit and I'll just go with you.

849
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,199
Then you have the entire movie take place in one place.

850
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,719
It's all at Sea World. Like they don't they don't

851
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,519
leave seed World, We don't go to their house, we

852
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,400
don't need any none of that. They don't go down

853
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,320
to the Bahamas. And yet I was absolutely confused as

854
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,440
to how this park was made up like it was.

855
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440
I was like, I don't understand where things are. When

856
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:16,360
Viceroy gets eaten and his guy who's been this tough

857
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,760
as nails guy being That's why I said, pitt Roycevice whatever.

858
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,639
Speaker 1: Whos the Star Wars listeners will appreciate.

859
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: When the when the Robert Shaw character that is his

860
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:34,840
best buddy thinks that he might be he starts bawling

861
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,960
like a baby, that guy, and he goes in some

862
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,159
random tunnel that I'm like, why why is he going

863
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:41,039
in this tunnel? That was this is the first time

864
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,719
we've seen this tunnel. And he's running down screaming at

865
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,119
the top of the water as though he has no

866
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,920
experience how sound and water work together, and he's balling

867
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,119
like a baby. I mean, it's just there were a

868
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,000
lot of opportunities for good things to happen that they

869
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,000
all let die. It seems to me they took an

870
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,239
effort to make this the worst movie.

871
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,039
Speaker 1: That they I do agree with you that if fitz

872
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,199
Royce had been a bad guy or doing something slimy

873
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,679
behind the scenes, that would have been a very satisfying

874
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,760
death to see him get crushed to death in the

875
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,360
shark's mouth.

876
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,159
Speaker 3: Do we even know what he was doing?

877
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: Like, why was he here taking pictures? Yeah, he's there,

878
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:21,960
but I don't.

879
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's there to just photograph the water skiers and

880
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:34,239
some dolphins and some other stuff. You know, watching this again, Yeah,

881
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,400
since brought the guy up his assistant who is really

882
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:42,679
attached to, uh, the Viceroy fitz Royce, he gave off

883
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,760
a real Smithers. He gave off a real Smithers vibe

884
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,800
this time watching it, you know from the Simpsons, is

885
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,239
he is too attached to to this guy?

886
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the guy that punched out the guy

887
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,000
who was resistant to getting out of the water. He

888
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,719
was awesome, I am here to save you. Let me

889
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,599
hit you in the face.

890
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,039
Speaker 1: Guys holding a beer and he's in two feet of water.

891
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:14,840
He's gonna be okay. Actually, I'll tell you one thing

892
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,519
that that worked that we didn't mention as a kid.

893
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,880
When Leah Thompson gets knocked off the bumper boat and

894
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,519
the shark like gouges her thigh and they pull her

895
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,039
out of the out of the water and they lay

896
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:28,599
her on the ground. I was like, oh, my gosh,

897
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:29,199
look at her leg.

898
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,079
Speaker 3: I was like, well, my gosh, look at her nipples.

899
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna redirect that.

900
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: That works, It works? But what what doesn't work? Okay,

901
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,199
what the what the heck happened to him? Sean jumps

902
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,920
in the ambulance with her, and they're never to be

903
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:52,559
seen again. Sean gets eaten at the beginning of the Revenge.

904
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,639
Well that's true.

905
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:54,679
Speaker 3: You know.

906
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:59,519
Speaker 1: The Willard stand in is Dennis Quade's younger brother. He

907
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:03,280
jumps in the ambulance. But again, what happened to her?

908
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,559
Speaker 3: Yeah? Literally, that's the most interesting romantic storyline of the movie.

909
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,400
And they just cut to credits without ever telling it's

910
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,320
no resolution. We have no resolution. I'm watching this movie

911
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,719
and I'm thinking to myself that this was supposed to

912
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,079
be a National Lampoon's story Initially. I really feel like

913
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:24,400
they still left some bits in there. There are some

914
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:28,760
moments where they're peeking around the corner. And when Leah

915
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Thompson and Sean Brody are playing hide and seek in

916
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:37,800
the maybe two foot tall flag maze, I was like,

917
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,079
is this Benny Hill? What is this? They're prancing around

918
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,679
and I'm expecting a saxophone to start going.

919
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,559
Speaker 2: But when we're introduced to her character, she's clearly the

920
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:54,679
Marion Ravenwood of SeaWorld Orlando. So maybe they were had

921
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,960
quite a few drinks at the point where they're playing

922
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:58,559
hide and seek in that small netting.

923
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm I'm here for it because you

924
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,119
know I'll follow her down to the beach anytime.

925
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: All right.

926
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: So my question to you guys is number one, if

927
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,000
you're in charge of the Jaws franchise at Universal, what

928
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,760
can we do to save this franchise? Is it savable?

929
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:24,639
Can we save it? I have a three point plan,

930
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,360
but I want to I thought i'd let d take.

931
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:34,119
Speaker 3: In the last forty years since this movie came out.

932
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,960
I don't think this is a you can do a

933
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,159
sequel and do this franchise justice. I don't think that

934
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,719
you can't. I mean this goes back to the film

935
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,599
by questions at the end, you know, do you do sequel, prequel,

936
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,519
or reboot. To me, this is a reboot. This deserves

937
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,280
the character development that we got in the first Jaws.

938
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,880
But let's do a different type of storyline, same type

939
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of shark. But and maybe you know, I don't know

940
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,119
how you do it. I don't know if it's a

941
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,800
past the torch kind of thing like we've talked about

942
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,199
with Indiana Jones, you know, Harrison Ford passing the torch

943
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,519
to a Chris Pratt type of guy. I don't know

944
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,760
how that all plays out. But I don't think you

945
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,400
try to go back and revisit the story where you've

946
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,159
got a non canon three that's terrible and a canon

947
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,079
four which is only slightly less terrible. We gotta We

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00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,639
got a text today. This is a text from deaf

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00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,239
Dave that we got today that said, I feel like

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00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,840
Jason and Jeff need to explore this movie. And it

951
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:45,119
was Amityville in Space, right, yes, And so I looked

952
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,039
at the at the IMDb for Amityville in Space and

953
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:52,039
apparently there's no trademark protection on Amityville because there's about

954
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,760
one hundred movies that are Amityville something. But in addition

955
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,039
to that, with the what you should watch if you

956
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,840
like this terrible movie. We're a bunch of like Sharknado,

957
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:04,920
Amity Shark, all of these other you know, Shark and

958
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,639
the Haunted House things. And I think the fear of

959
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,920
the Shark is something that you got to get rid

960
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,639
of because that really wasn't the driving force behind Jaws.

961
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,760
It wasn't the driving force behind Jaws two. What it

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00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,440
was was a man versus nature fight and a character,

963
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the Roy Scheider character, Chief Brody character that hates the

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00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:29,840
position that he's in, but has a family to support,

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00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,480
in a town to fight, and he's torn and doesn't

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00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,719
know what to do. That's the interesting part about this.

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And then the three men on the boat going after

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the monster.

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Speaker 1: That's it, all right, Jeff, If I'm walking into Universal,

970
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,920
I've got a three point plan to revive the franchise

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because it is criminal that this franchise has been lying

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dormant since nineteen eighty seven. In my opinion, it's a

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00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,920
money maker. We know that. So first off, let's focus

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on new characters each time you do a film. If

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00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,719
Jaws is our Star Wars title, then we can have

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Jaws the Revenge, you know, like we had the revenge.

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Let's have Jaws, Great White terror.

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00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: Whatever, you know, change up the film and the location

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00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:12,199
and more importantly, the characters. Let's see some different areas,

980
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,599
let's see different people. Leading to my second point, let's

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00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:17,840
change up the shark. It doesn't have to be a

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00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,119
Great White every time. The last time we talked about

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00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,000
when we talked about Jaws Revenge, d made a great point.

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00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,280
Why can't we have a bull shark? You know, we know,

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00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,239
we know Hooper has talked about tiger sharks and a threat.

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00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,199
You know, all these all these incredible sharks are out

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00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,840
there that are deadly, and we're just stuck on the

988
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,800
Great White because.

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00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,559
Speaker 3: Of its size. But you know, do a whale shark

990
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:38,599
do anything?

991
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,599
Speaker 1: Just change it because the attack of the whale shark? Yes,

992
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:45,840
but I mean think about it.

993
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,519
Speaker 2: If the title is Jaws, all these things have teeth

994
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:49,360
to sink into us.

995
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:54,199
Speaker 1: Let's see except the whale shark. But let's see, let's

996
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,800
see some different sharks in the water that are terrorizing us.

997
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,159
And uh. That leads me to my third point.

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00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: In this this reboot, this relaunch, if you will, Matt

999
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,039
Hooper is the character that ties all the movies together.

1000
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,840
We know from Jaws that he has been all over

1001
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,960
the place. He's set to go out on the Aurora

1002
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,280
for you know, twelve months at sea. Let him be

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kind of our nick fury of the Jaws franchise, and

1004
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,400
I think and just call and just call him Hooper.

1005
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:23,039
So if he's just if he's Hooper, maybe he's Matt

1006
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:25,760
Hooper's son. Maybe he's not, Maybe we don't know he's

1007
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:26,199
a Hooper.

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00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 3: I think you bring back Dreyfus and Hooper has become

1009
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,679
quint in his character, like he's become the old angry

1010
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:35,679
man who's witness nails.

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00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,119
Speaker 2: I would love that, but uh, you know, famously, he's

1012
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:39,920
always he's always said he would never do Jaws again

1013
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,599
without Spielberg. And unless we can get Spielberg to kick

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00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,000
off this new relaunch, I think we're we're without him.

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00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: But that's that's that's my take. That's how you fix

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00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,559
this franchise. Love it, I love it.

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00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,199
Speaker 3: What do you go?

1018
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,599
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's where I was gonna go. I would

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00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,320
bring Hooper back as the the krusty old seaman.

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00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, I want to pretend like that was unintenenal.

1021
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,559
Speaker 1: I want to bring Hooper back and relaunch the franchise

1022
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,239
with Hooper. I think that that would be amazing, first

1023
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,159
of all, to revisit that character and then thrust him

1024
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,760
in there. He's almost eighty years old, but he's the expert.

1025
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,039
And let's we got to draw this guy out of retirement,

1026
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,360
throw him on a boat. We've got a shark eating kids, whatever,

1027
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,880
and Hooper has to come out of retirement. That's that's

1028
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,599
what I would do, and I think people would go

1029
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:34,960
see that.

1030
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,199
Speaker 2: So if I'm hearing you right, you you're fixed to

1031
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,039
the franchise is to thrust the semen back into the water.

1032
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's do this.

1033
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 3: Is now the time we mentioned the conversation that we had.

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00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: I think we should. Yeah, go ahead.

1035
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: Well, I hadn't yet watched the movie. I still haven't

1036
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,239
watched Beverly Hills Cop three, by the way, But I

1037
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,440
just got to tell you this movie has its work

1038
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,239
cut out for it.

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00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: In h I just can't be don't put it out

1040
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,679
of the running. I'm killing believe.

1041
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,199
Speaker 3: The Beverly Hills Cop three is going to be worse

1042
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,519
than what I just watched. But I hadn't yet watched it.

1043
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,320
The DVD, the Blu Ray that I had purchased had

1044
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,400
just arrived in the mail, and Jason said, I am

1045
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,800
anxious for you to break your Jaws three D cherry.

1046
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:22,239
And I said, well, forty years ago they did stick

1047
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,800
it in already, and maybe just the tip. Yeah, and

1048
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,159
he and he goes, well, I'm anxious for the shark

1049
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:34,480
to impregnate you, to which I said, oh, you mean

1050
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:42,119
the end where it explodesh yes, we're all thirteen years old.

1051
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:42,519
Thank you.

1052
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: So you you're d You're thinking Beverly Hills Cop three

1053
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,000
can't possibly be worse.

1054
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: I am thinking that it cannot possibly be worth well.

1055
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: I quote, I quote Mulla Ram when I say you

1056
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:08,280
don't believe us, man hold out to Mulla Ram.

1057
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: Quote that was nice?

1058
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: All right.

1059
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: Quickly, Jeff ranked the four Jaws movies that we have

1060
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:19,880
ready go best the worst, yep, Jaws, Jaws two, Jaws Revenge,

1061
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,679
JOS three D. Jos three D is the worst.

1062
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: One hundred percent agree, hundred percent agree.

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00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,079
Speaker 1: Okay, it's been a little bit since I've seen jo

1064
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,480
just two, so my number one is Jaws. There's no

1065
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:35,159
way anything's better than Joss. My inclination is to put

1066
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,960
Jaws the Revenge in the number two spot. Okay, it's

1067
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,000
been a while since I've seen JOS two whatever, Josh four,

1068
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,199
Jos two, Just two, jo just four and then just

1069
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,639
three is definitely the worst, although I clearly love it

1070
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,639
more than you guys do. I have nostalgic feelings of

1071
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,599
summertime at the matinee, that type of thing. But Josh

1072
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,199
four is way better than Just three.

1073
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is absolutely.

1074
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,599
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, come back next week once d has lost

1075
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:03,039
his virginity to Beverly Hills Cop three. We're gonna hear

1076
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,599
whether or not you think that movie is worse or

1077
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,519
this movie is worse. We're gonna ask what the heck

1078
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,880
happened with that? Jeff, you're gonna come back with us?

1079
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,880
I would love to. Okay, Well, we're gonna talk Axel

1080
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,320
Foley and John Landis and Judge Reinhold and John Saxon

1081
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:21,000
and they have another movie set at an amusement park.

1082
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: Gone awrye.

1083
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,599
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you here next week. Thanks Jeff,

1084
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:26,880
Thank you guys, see us soon.

1085
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,119
Speaker 2: Just the right amount of history, just the right amount

1086
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:45,840
of trashing it, just the right amount of hey, we

1087
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,760
like this part of it, and lea thompss

1088
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: Nipples I mentioned, So that's a win.