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<v Speaker 1>It's Maria's MutS and Stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>What a great idea on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Maria's Mutts and Stuff and with me.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's always one of my favorites when somebody

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<v Speaker 4>is a return guest, and he's also one of my

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<v Speaker 4>favorite people. It is undercover animal investigator Pete Paxton.

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<v Speaker 3>So Pete, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a real honor to be here.

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<v Speaker 4>Please, you are, like I said, all these years, big

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<v Speaker 4>fan of yours. You know that once we got connected,

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<v Speaker 4>and you always fill me in on stuff that really

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<v Speaker 4>makes my head spin. But it's just very, very important

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<v Speaker 4>in the animal rights animal welfare field. For anybody who's

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<v Speaker 4>listening to this podcast, obviously they're into it just like

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<v Speaker 4>we are. But you're the real deal, and you know

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<v Speaker 4>your thumb is on the pulse of it, So tell

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<v Speaker 4>me what's been going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, by the fact, by the way, I looked it

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<v Speaker 3>up because I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Trying to remember the last time we spoke, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was actually not too long ago.

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<v Speaker 3>It was this year. It was I believe in February.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a chat. Okay, yeah, with that was so tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Me things move so fast. So yes, Okay, we got

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<v Speaker 2>something new, okay, And and and that's the thing is

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<v Speaker 2>like it is, it's difficult in the animal rights space

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<v Speaker 2>now to present something that is new to people because

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like we know everything. But what we did

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<v Speaker 2>on this is that my group Seed, Kaelin and I

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<v Speaker 2>Run we uncovered something that we all thought we knew about.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out it's not at all what we thought. And

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<v Speaker 2>it is livestock auctions, which so yes, livestock auctions are

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<v Speaker 2>a much bigger people. So so, first of all, for

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<v Speaker 2>your listeners who had don't know anything about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're thinking of an auction and you're imagining some

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<v Speaker 2>guy in a cowboy hat sitting up on a podium

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<v Speaker 2>and just like rambling really fast to sell animals, boom,

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<v Speaker 2>you nailed it. That's exactly what it is, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is there's about there's about a thousand of them,

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<v Speaker 2>over a thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Over a thousand auctions auction.

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<v Speaker 2>Over a thousand stock auctions, okay, all over the US. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're a big deal in rural America. And you

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<v Speaker 2>might not think it, but they are connected to to.

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<v Speaker 3>If you eat okay, like if.

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<v Speaker 2>You eat beef and it's to a lecture degree, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be. And I can discuss this to alextra grief

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<v Speaker 2>poultry and pork. But if you eat beef or or

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<v Speaker 2>lamb or goat, odds are that animal went through an

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<v Speaker 2>auction at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>Really and okay, so let me just interrupt you.

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<v Speaker 4>So most people like I don't know because I don't

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<v Speaker 4>eat meat, but but I still pay attention to it.

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<v Speaker 4>So most people assume that the steak they're buying in

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<v Speaker 4>the supermarket came from a cattle farm or something like

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<v Speaker 4>a beef farm in the Midwest.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And it and it did. But so here's here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. Is that is that eighty percent of cattle

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<v Speaker 2>producers rely on auctions and get their cattle to market.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there's been more sheep sales sheep and lamb

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<v Speaker 2>sales in auctions than there are sheep and lambs because

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<v Speaker 2>most of them get sold more than once.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my, okay, so how does that happen? Explain that

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<v Speaker 3>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we go. We got a real brief history lessons. Okay, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is that is that a long time ago you had

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of cows, right and and and way back

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<v Speaker 2>when we used to. We primarily used cattle like their

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<v Speaker 2>highs fat their tower, right, Okay, but we start but

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<v Speaker 2>once we had railroads and you could move stuff really easily,

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<v Speaker 2>we were the beef industry was picking up, and we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, we can fatten these cattle up up,

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<v Speaker 2>we can eat them, and we now have a way

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<v Speaker 2>to get them to market. So like if you can

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<v Speaker 2>go on Google Maps and you just just randomly go

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in the US and put in livestock auction odds

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<v Speaker 2>are the auction that comes up, you're gonna see a

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<v Speaker 2>railroad going by it. Because the animals literally were put

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<v Speaker 2>onto train cars to get them to a slaughterhouse. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>then yeah, n K eighteen wheelers, right, And so the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is it's never changed. It's like you have. Auctions

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<v Speaker 2>are places. We typically think of auctions as places where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the small independent, rural family farm sells their animals,

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<v Speaker 2>and they do, and then we think other small independent

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<v Speaker 2>farms like I'm gonna buy this one cow or kill.

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<v Speaker 2>On the JBS website they say that a one year

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<v Speaker 2>that they bought from over thirty one thousand, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>family owned farms. Auctions are how they can make that claim. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's not just small places buying JBS, car

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<v Speaker 2>deal cabinets, beef factors, all the big names. And so

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<v Speaker 2>you have like you have like people who have factory

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<v Speaker 2>full on factory farms that are selling, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>have people that they just got you goats, right. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember I remember seeing some a guy come here and

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<v Speaker 2>say his son was really upset, but he goats because

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<v Speaker 2>they were pets that he raised, or they have just

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of cows, or one woman she brought in

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<v Speaker 2>this goat with a with on a leash collar, and

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<v Speaker 2>she took the leash off and she kissed that goat

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<v Speaker 2>on and scare the animals depends on an auction. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>explain that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, wait, wait, let me just tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>You cut out for sex, So tell me I And

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<v Speaker 4>so I got that she brought the goat, she took

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<v Speaker 4>the leash off, and watch she kissed the goat on

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<v Speaker 4>the head and then she brought it in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she kissed the goat on the head and then

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<v Speaker 2>she gave me the goat. And normally you have to

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<v Speaker 2>scare animals to a pin, right, right, And I can't

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<v Speaker 2>explain that this goat followed me into a pin. It's

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<v Speaker 2>was like a pet. But once that goat was done

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<v Speaker 2>going through auction, that gun was that goat was running

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<v Speaker 2>just like all of the others. So even the loved ones,

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<v Speaker 2>even the like even the small independent family farm, and

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<v Speaker 2>they actually care about their animals, those animals are not

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<v Speaker 2>exempted from cruelty, and livestock auctions are the reason why.

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<v Speaker 2>So the way it works is that in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the commercial animal space where people are making off animals,

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<v Speaker 2>the rule of thumb is the less interaction with the animals,

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<v Speaker 2>the more neglect there's gonna be bink broiler farm, egg farm. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The more you've been interaction, the more violence and at

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<v Speaker 2>auctions you have constant you interactions. So what I did

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<v Speaker 2>is I went under cover seventeen livestock auctions across the US.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked undercover at fifteen of them. And this was

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<v Speaker 2>in ten states. This is Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>New York, California, Florida, and Louisian, Okay. And that the

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<v Speaker 2>video is on. We have a site it's our seed

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<v Speaker 2>Livestock Auctions dot org. If you put if you google

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<v Speaker 2>seed livestock auctions.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you'll see it come up, right, and that's s

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<v Speaker 4>E A D. I should also let people know in

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<v Speaker 4>case they're not sure, SEED stands for Strategies for Ethical

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<v Speaker 4>and Environmental Development. So that's I just want to get

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<v Speaker 4>that off there, right, so when they're wondering how it's spelled,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, that's what it represents, and it's s E

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<v Speaker 4>ED Okay, sorry, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, you're good. Yeah, thank you, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>and and you can see online what we got and

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<v Speaker 2>it's bad. I mean it's if Vox did a story

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<v Speaker 2>they came out with the exclusive. It it hit Apple

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<v Speaker 2>News top stories and uh you know, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a major news network. This is not your

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<v Speaker 2>stuff saying.

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<v Speaker 3>This, you know right right right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really horrendous stuff. And what and what you

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<v Speaker 2>see is that it's not just like like the workers

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<v Speaker 2>are extreme. It's this crazy pace you have to work

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes with dangerous animals because he's animal scared at him.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, of course animals are smart.

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<v Speaker 2>They yeah, insact, there's the animals are so overworked and scared.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw healthy calves like you know, like three six

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<v Speaker 2>months old, just fall down and just die.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, oh, like a heart attack or something or

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<v Speaker 3>a stroke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The dehydration street and and and so you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's a very dangerous, tough environment and people

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<v Speaker 2>have an insane pace to work at and they quickly

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<v Speaker 2>resort to violence. And so you know, you have you

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<v Speaker 2>have on the one side, you have that, and on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side you have these other kinds of auctions

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<v Speaker 2>that more resemble wet markets. And it's like it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, chickens and turkeys and ducks and rabbits being

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<v Speaker 2>sold alongside goats and hogs. And it's an environment that

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<v Speaker 2>is so ripe for zoonotic disease that there's a study

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<v Speaker 2>that Harvard and NYU recently did where about zoonotic disease

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<v Speaker 2>outbreaks and an entire section of it is dedicated to

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<v Speaker 2>live stock auctions.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that is that is basically where we're at.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that is that we did this very thorough investigation

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<v Speaker 2>to show Look, it's not one bad actor, it's across

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<v Speaker 2>the whole country. It's all of them. And this end

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you eat meat, odds are you know

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<v Speaker 2>a livestock auction was involved.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow? Wow? Okay, So I have a couple of questions

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<v Speaker 3>for you.

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<v Speaker 4>So for those so, now, wet markets, for those who

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<v Speaker 4>are like, wait what that was a very well we

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<v Speaker 4>all thought or think that that's where COVID came from, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it was the wet markets in China way back. Explain

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<v Speaker 4>what a wet market is now, you said chicken turkeys,

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<v Speaker 4>are they alive or.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they're alive. They're alive at wet markets.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, So wet markets typically that you have live

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<v Speaker 2>animals that are sold. Sometimes you butcher them on site.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, and so and this is this is.

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<v Speaker 2>A major US you know you have this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen them in Chicago and LA and New York.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's that a lot of people think like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's something somewhere else, right, and they associated with COVID

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yeah, it's like man, you know, it's here, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, it's it's here. Yeah, it's and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's all kinds of like and it doesn't it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just like it's not just like it's some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, you know, weird animals.

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<v Speaker 3>It's stuff that people eat.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So now, absolutely, and you know you're everyone, And not

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<v Speaker 4>to be funny, but you're we're hearing this from the

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<v Speaker 4>who's mouth meaning you because you're undercover, right, so you

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<v Speaker 4>saw this with your own eyes and shot videos And

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<v Speaker 4>so how is that? I mean, because I know we've

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<v Speaker 4>talked about it before. How how are you not recognized?

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<v Speaker 4>And I know these are you know, it's a big,

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<v Speaker 4>huge country. Like how do you get yourself into these

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<v Speaker 4>situations with not giving without giving up too much information?

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<v Speaker 4>But how do you get in so that people believe

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<v Speaker 4>that you want to be a worker in one of

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<v Speaker 4>these live auctions?

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<v Speaker 2>commercial animal facilities? Right? And and for this I understand, like,

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<v Speaker 2>because so many people were drunk while while doing this

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some of them, it's all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>of them it was like a bunch of high school kids.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of them were also drunk. Right. But the

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<v Speaker 2>at first watch me and it's this is gonna sound silly,

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<v Speaker 2>open and close gates. Okay, that's it's actually it is

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<v Speaker 2>very simple. But if you've never done it, you can

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<v Speaker 2>And sure, yeah, and I've worked under covered enough ranches

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And uh, and so it was easy. It was

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<v Speaker 2>it was very easy to get hired. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So all of the videos and the photos and

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<v Speaker 4>everything that you shot, now, the people, the places that

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<v Speaker 4>you shot it, I mean, do they have uh and

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<v Speaker 4>but groups that might be onto them or they don't

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they you know, the I do, and I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of I went out of my way to hit

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<v Speaker 2>I hit big and small targets because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>show this is all of the place. But I made

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<v Speaker 2>sure I was hitting targets that I thought weren't going

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<v Speaker 2>to be onto me. Got it, Yeah, And but that

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<v Speaker 2>was I mean, there was a lot sure to pick from.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, yeah, you know, there were there were

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<v Speaker 2>social media on their phones while working, and that resulted

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<v Speaker 2>more than one animals running by them and not in

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<v Speaker 2>the correct pen and creating a lot of problems.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But but the thing is is that if you

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<v Speaker 2>go online and you look at this case, you if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever wonder like like how much is this you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stuff the animal right back to the city. It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it like if you want to see a

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<v Speaker 2>slice out of rural American life where everyone everyone comes together,

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<v Speaker 2>because like these livestock auctions, it's almost like a church

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<v Speaker 2>for them, right, everyone comes together. It's a social time.

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<v Speaker 2>People that live on farms in the middle of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Once a week they got this chance to come together,

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<v Speaker 2>and then some of them dress up for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's really.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. It's like if you combine the movie Deliverance with

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<v Speaker 2>an episode of Real Housewives, get right, and you will

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<v Speaker 2>see it like you will see yeah, you will see

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<v Speaker 2>like like you know, all these kinds of people of

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<v Speaker 2>all ages and what their behavior is. And then one

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<v Speaker 2>thing we did on the website was that normally when

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<v Speaker 2>there's a case, a lot of animal rights groups do

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<v Speaker 2>a thing where it's that that you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>someone's attention. So you take one animal and you're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna try to humanize this one animal.

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<v Speaker 2>So that you can not just see this as a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of birds, but like one chicken out of

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<v Speaker 2>the flock. And this is Lucy and this is her story.

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<v Speaker 2>But what we did was we decided we're gonna try

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<v Speaker 2>and humanize the workers. And I took three employees and

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<v Speaker 2>I gave them ail busines. And these three employees committed

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<v Speaker 2>abusive acts, acts that when you see them, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, I'm pissed off. I want that person

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<v Speaker 2>to going to jail. But I tell you on the

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<v Speaker 2>website what was happening that day. I tell you there's

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<v Speaker 2>no excuse for what they did, but I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>exactly why they did what they did, so that you

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<v Speaker 2>can sit back, take a breath and say, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>can see how a good person can do a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, it's almost like it's almost like peer pressure for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, Oh very much. So, yeah, peer pressure. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're stressed, you're dehydrated, someone screaming at you. You know, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you get brutal to get the job done.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and it's a job, so you know, people need jobs,

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<v Speaker 4>so it kind of makes you feel you're right, like

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<v Speaker 4>not like, oh, arrest these people, but you kind of

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<v Speaker 4>have empathy for them because they're just trying to make

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<v Speaker 4>a do their job, but at the expense and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and being and brutalizing animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they got they got this rare thing. Live

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<v Speaker 2>stack auctions have a very unique thing I've never seen

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<v Speaker 2>in any other kind of job, which is like imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>okay for anyone who does it, now I can back

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<v Speaker 2>up here is it? What to do at the auction

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<v Speaker 2>is you have people that they come in and they

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<v Speaker 2>bring their animals, and you have trailers coming in, right

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<v Speaker 2>and these trailers might literally have one animal, one sheep,

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<v Speaker 2>one goat, one cow or a hog or or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>someone might have like so many animals crammed into the trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen this that you yank the doors open and

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<v Speaker 2>animals literally come spilling out, and some of them have

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<v Speaker 2>trampled each other to death. It's like it is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean everything in between right right then, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the animals are going through the auction, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>public is going through and you have people that you

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<v Speaker 2>have small time buyers and they're walking through and they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the pens like, oh I want to I

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<v Speaker 2>want to try and buy, you know, that pig. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to buy that goat. And then you have big

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<v Speaker 2>time buyers, people the places like JBS and car You'll

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<v Speaker 2>send out and they're looking and they're like, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna buy all this stuff right right, and they're all watching,

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<v Speaker 2>and then everybody comes through and they picks up their animals.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, while you're working at the auction, literally

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<v Speaker 2>half the town is there, sure their kids watching you, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And it does not deter the abuse. In fact, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the customers become involved in the abuse. You'll see

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<v Speaker 2>that in the footage that we have. Yeah, it's and

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<v Speaker 2>so it's this weird thing where it's like, imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>pure pressure. Imagine it's like your family is like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>so proud of you, Maria that you're gonna go work

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<v Speaker 2>at the auction, your first job you're in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so proud you're gonna you've been helping us here

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<v Speaker 2>at the farm, but you're gonna go out there and

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<v Speaker 2>do a good job. And then your neighbors are watching

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<v Speaker 2>you and they're like, Maria, hurry the hell up, just throw.

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<v Speaker 4>That goat, right, And so you do it because everybody's

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<v Speaker 4>watching and you have the pressure and you're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>do a job, but at the expense of the animal.

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<v Speaker 1>Ugh.

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<v Speaker 5>And so that's something that was unique about this case

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<v Speaker 5>was getting to say you get to like really see

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<v Speaker 5>not just oh, there's a crime against animals and that's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>You get to see the the you know how on

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<v Speaker 2>a cultural level. It takes place, right and you know it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what's what's difficult about it is it leaves you

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<v Speaker 2>without much space other than promoting a plant based diet. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>have a solution because you're talking about culture.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, because I was, Yeah, I was just going

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<v Speaker 3>to ask you.

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<v Speaker 4>So by you know, going undercover and exposing the cruelty

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<v Speaker 4>and everything else, the goal is to get people to

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<v Speaker 4>not eat so much meat because then these livestock auctions

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't be necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly because you have things that are like you

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<v Speaker 2>have you have laws and you have regulations. And now

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<v Speaker 2>for this next part, I don't I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>try and be too graphic, but I might have to

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<v Speaker 3>I mean to laugh when you say that, but you

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<v Speaker 3>just make me laugh now, No, no, don't worry, listeners, vomit.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna cry. You're not gonna cry.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I'm gonna cry. Listen to you, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well, I'll just say that there was like at

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<v Speaker 2>one place people abused from downed animals, I'll just say that, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And they did it and in front of signs that said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, USDA regulations prohibit downed animals being unloaded at

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<v Speaker 2>the facility, and I got a shot of that while

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<v Speaker 2>I filmed a downed animal being beaten and unloaded. And

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<v Speaker 2>that same the same place as Empire, Lifestock and Fort

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<v Speaker 2>in New York. They host events at Corno University that

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<v Speaker 2>for the beat Quality Assurance Program, and that program is

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<v Speaker 2>designed to have standards that prohibits abuse such as beating

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<v Speaker 2>animals of solid objects, which they did, shocking down animals

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<v Speaker 2>which they did, you know, trying to move down in

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<v Speaker 2>which they did. So it's like that doesn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Now when it comes to the laws, there's laws on

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<v Speaker 2>the books everywhere. But some of the abuse that I saw,

421
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<v Speaker 2>which I I won't describe. You'd have to go on

422
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<v Speaker 2>the website because I don't want to make I don't

423
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<v Speaker 2>want to know people too much, right right, Yeah, but

424
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<v Speaker 2>some of the abuse that I saw that was reported

425
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<v Speaker 2>to law enforcement, it's like what some people got away

426
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<v Speaker 2>with that they weren't prosecuted for. It leaves it has

427
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<v Speaker 2>left me, after twenty three years of doing this job, thinking,

428
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<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't even know what animal cruelty is anymore.

429
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you know, it's awful like that if if that's

430
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<v Speaker 3>legal that, but it's possibly.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Illy, right, and so you know, it's like you see

432
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<v Speaker 2>this and you're like, okay, we're up against the entire culture,

433
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<v Speaker 2>and this is an element that you know, even if

434
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<v Speaker 2>someone's like I take care of my animals, you probably

435
00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:17.680
<v Speaker 2>sell them to auction where they're abused. And the knee

436
00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:20.839
<v Speaker 2>jerk reaction from the public right is going to be like, well,

437
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.680
<v Speaker 2>it packs a law. There's already laws, you know, have regulations,

438
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:28.440
<v Speaker 2>there's already regulations. You know, there's already third parties, right.

439
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<v Speaker 3>Like it doesn't matter. It seems like it doesn't matter.

440
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<v Speaker 4>And like the fact that you said that all this

441
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<v Speaker 4>was happening, you know, in front of a sign that

442
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<v Speaker 4>says USDA like who cares? Basically, yeah, like those are ineffective.

443
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<v Speaker 4>It's ineffective to have something like that.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And so you know this, this is why,

445
00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.000
<v Speaker 2>uh you know, animal rights groups were always trying to say, hey,

446
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<v Speaker 2>if you can eat less meat, you're really going to

447
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:54.200
<v Speaker 2>be helping out the animals. And it's it's the truth.

448
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<v Speaker 2>It's it's because I feel like we're in this age

449
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<v Speaker 2>now where if it's like apathy is a virtue, right,

450
00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.160
<v Speaker 2>or we're like, ah, you know what, I don't I

451
00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:11.559
<v Speaker 2>can't get everything I want from this candidate, So I'm

452
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<v Speaker 2>going to make a statement by.

453
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<v Speaker 3>Not voting right.

454
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<v Speaker 4>Right, It's like you're not making a statement doing the opposite.

455
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, I hear.

456
00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.319
<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, or or or people that are like, you

457
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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm I don't want to have to have

458
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<v Speaker 2>responsibility for this. The corporations are the ones who should

459
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<v Speaker 2>take responsibility. So therefore I'm not going to do anything

460
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<v Speaker 2>right right, And it's it's apathy disguised as virtue. It

461
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<v Speaker 2>sucks that we are the ones who have to take

462
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<v Speaker 2>it upon ourselves to do the right thing. But I

463
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<v Speaker 2>just want to remind people that like these animals, they're defenseless,

464
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<v Speaker 2>they're voiceless, and there's nothing that they can do. And

465
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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, you don't. You don't have to hate

466
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<v Speaker 2>the people involved with this. You don't have to hate

467
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<v Speaker 2>the culture that engages in this. You still have the

468
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<v Speaker 2>powers stop it.

469
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<v Speaker 4>Correct, correct, And I know that's yeah, no, that's your message.

470
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<v Speaker 4>And honestly, and you know, for those because there are

471
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<v Speaker 4>always people and I get it.

472
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<v Speaker 3>Who just I mean, I have friends and I'm sure

473
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<v Speaker 3>you do.

474
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<v Speaker 4>Two peete who cannot wrap their head around never eating

475
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<v Speaker 4>meat again like a plant based all the time. I

476
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:24.480
<v Speaker 4>just I cannot do it. Okay, it's not maybe you can't.

477
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<v Speaker 4>But even if you eat less meat, I don't think

478
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<v Speaker 4>and I just think as humans, it's not necessary to

479
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<v Speaker 4>have meat three times a day, seven days a week.

480
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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's healthy for us, right, But there

481
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<v Speaker 4>are people who find that in their diet. So I

482
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<v Speaker 4>mean my thought is always to say, Okay, well, I

483
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<v Speaker 4>don't expect you to do because for a person like that,

484
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:50.000
<v Speaker 4>it's extreme for them to go one hundred percent plant based.

485
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<v Speaker 4>But if they can cut out some of the meat,

486
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<v Speaker 4>that will actually help this industry to not exist as

487
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<v Speaker 4>much and graduate, you know, gradually.

488
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<v Speaker 3>Does is that correct? Like does that make sense?

489
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's you know, yeah, it's it's it's going to

490
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<v Speaker 2>take time for these things to change because it's a

491
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<v Speaker 2>cultural thing, right And but yeah, you're right. I mean

492
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:16.799
<v Speaker 2>we all have the power, right, you know, to do something.

493
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<v Speaker 2>And no, yeah, don't don't don't get frustrated.

494
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't get frustrated.

495
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<v Speaker 4>And I think and I talked about this recently with

496
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<v Speaker 4>another guest, I mean, I think compared to like plant

497
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<v Speaker 4>based options from years and years ago, it's a very

498
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<v Speaker 4>it's a big difference than it was. So it's there

499
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<v Speaker 4>are more options for people who maybe have considered it,

500
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<v Speaker 4>or you know, people as they age and especially you

501
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.079
<v Speaker 4>know Americans gain weight and are unhealthy, and I know

502
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<v Speaker 4>plenty as they get into their older ages older age

503
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<v Speaker 4>without being specific in the age, but you know, over fifty,

504
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 4>and it's like okay, either go you know, you are

505
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.720
<v Speaker 4>a heart attack waiting to happen, or change your diet.

506
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<v Speaker 4>And that's part of eating less meat is change your

507
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Speaker 4>diet because one hundred percent of the cases when you

508
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 4>hear about that, people change their diet. And that is

509
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.559
<v Speaker 4>definitely eating less meat their health changes and they get

510
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.559
<v Speaker 4>healthier and they're not a step away.

511
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 3>From a heart attack anymore.

512
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

513
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of simple.

514
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<v Speaker 4>And it's not being on medications your whole life either,

515
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.759
<v Speaker 4>because that's not healthy as well. So yeah, yeah, I mean,

516
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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we're talking about stuff that's really impossible.

517
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<v Speaker 4>It's just it does sound extreme, but it's really not

518
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 4>because we all really need to you know, we're given

519
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.359
<v Speaker 4>one body. You need to take care of it, and

520
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 4>we all hope to live as long as we can.

521
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 4>But you know, eating meat three times a day, seven

522
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 4>days a week, it's not going to get you to

523
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.640
<v Speaker 4>the ripe old age that your grandpa lived to.

524
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<v Speaker 3>I don't think, yeah, you know what I mean.

525
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's and the amount of stuff

526
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 2>that's out there now is like there's some really good stuff.

527
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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness. Absolutely, it's it's easy easy now.

528
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Where it can be tough is in if you if

529
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.319
<v Speaker 2>you're out in just rural areas that that can be

530
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 2>that can be kind of tough. Sure, Fortunately Burger King

531
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.039
<v Speaker 2>has got the impossible whopper going on, that's right.

532
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 1>But but besides that, you know, I mean, especially.

533
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:18.920
<v Speaker 2>In major urban areas, it's very very simple. But I

534
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:20.799
<v Speaker 2>mean that you know that that goes that goes back

535
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.519
<v Speaker 2>to culture as well. I mean if I can't, Yeah,

536
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's, you know, we have to recognize

537
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 2>that there's people in rural America that like they they

538
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 2>they see you know. It's it's kind of like, you know, we,

539
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 2>especially in this day and age, we you know, politically culturally,

540
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>we see each other as a threat, right, and we

541
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.079
<v Speaker 2>got to call each other out when there's problems and

542
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 2>say we got to make changes. And I believe moving

543
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 2>to a plant based diet is necessary, saving the environment,

544
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>helping animals. You know, we just and we don't have

545
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 2>to like hate each other in the process correct of

546
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 2>doing it.

547
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Correct because we're all you know, we always say we

548
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 4>all belied the same color. We're all exactly alike inside.

549
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 4>So like get over yourself absolutely, you know what I mean.

550
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 4>It's like it's really simple, just get over it.

551
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.319
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

552
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's really very simple. You know, if

553
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 4>I cut you or I cut someone else, we're all

554
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:12.720
<v Speaker 4>going to bleed the same, you know.

555
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah.

556
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 4>Well this is this is like I mean, it's it's

557
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.119
<v Speaker 4>this heavy duty stuff beat and you always come back

558
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.119
<v Speaker 4>with stuff like this. But I think it's really important

559
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.039
<v Speaker 4>because we all need our eyes to be open to things,

560
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.880
<v Speaker 4>because too many people also like to just put their

561
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 4>head in the sand and not see what reality is. So,

562
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.359
<v Speaker 4>you know, thanks to people like you going undercover in

563
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.960
<v Speaker 4>these like heinous conditions and situations to bring to light

564
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 4>for us.

565
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.599
<v Speaker 2>So you know, kudos to you, and if if I

566
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>appreciate that, and if people like if you go to

567
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.559
<v Speaker 2>see livestock auctions dot org, like I say, you'll see

568
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.319
<v Speaker 2>it's not it's not just like a horrible video of

569
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.720
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of cruelty, right, like you'll see. We have

570
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 2>we have different paths. We have like we have like

571
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>what are livestock auctions? We explain it. We have a

572
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>reasons for Abuse tub and that explains why exactly good

573
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>people do bad things. We have stories of these other workers.

574
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>And then uh, you know, we also have we have

575
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<v Speaker 2>the evidence tab where this the evidence tab is the

576
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<v Speaker 2>one tab. But I'm gonna tell you I worked hard

577
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 2>on it.

578
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Evidence.

579
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's the one that's got the stuff. If you're like,

580
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.720
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I don't know. I think this guy

581
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>P is exaggerating well to the evidence yeah, that's that's

582
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the one where we have additional videos. But if you

583
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>think we only chose the worst of for the main vid,

584
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.559
<v Speaker 2>the rest of it's right there, right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

585
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<v Speaker 4>All right, well okay, So seed livestock Auctions dot org.

586
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 4>So if they need more information, if they want to

587
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 4>see the evidence because they don't believe what we're talking about,

588
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:52.799
<v Speaker 4>so have Yeah.

589
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Just we also have stuff on there that would be

590
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.599
<v Speaker 2>like as a reference if someone's like, hey, I do

591
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>not want to see those videos, but where the hell

592
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 2>are you getting this infol We have links to everything

593
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>that Harvard and why you study.

594
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's great.

595
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this information about like eighty percent of cattle producers

596
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>send their cattle to market. Like where did they get

597
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that from? Links to it, alost to it.

598
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.680
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So it's all there, okay. And also, I mean

599
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 4>you guys are a nonprofit, correct.

600
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>We are a nonprofit and the other half of our

601
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 2>work is working with litigators to sue factory farms that

602
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>pollute waterways. People can donate and the money goes to

603
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.599
<v Speaker 2>finding animal coolly and protecting the environment.

604
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Right, which I remember when you you were on earlier

605
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<v Speaker 3>this year.

606
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 4>So okay, So yeah, So for those who are listening

607
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 4>and you want to do something and you go.

608
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<v Speaker 3>For those who say, well, first of all for those who.

609
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 4>They are called to action, would be just please you know,

610
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<v Speaker 4>as we get into a new year, try to eat

611
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 4>less meat because it would be best. It's best for

612
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 4>the environment, it's best for your health. You know, you

613
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 4>don't have to go cold turkey, no offense or not

614
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 4>to be funny using the turkey, but you know, if

615
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 4>you could do a gradual that would be a big

616
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 4>help on both for your own life and for the environment.

617
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.599
<v Speaker 4>But as well as you know, Pete does all this

618
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:09.079
<v Speaker 4>amazing work that we need people to do and survives

619
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 4>by donations at Seed Livestock Auctions dot org. This, I

620
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 4>know is a was a big thing that you just

621
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<v Speaker 4>you know, underwent what's next for you because I know

622
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:19.839
<v Speaker 4>you always have something going on.

623
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we have a lot of it. So we do

624
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>have several places Seeds involved with it, UH and UH

625
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 2>and suing for polluting the environment. As far as anything else,

626
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>all I can say is we have things underway.

627
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I can't I can't give you can't no, I

628
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<v Speaker 3>know you can never And I get that, all right,

629
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<v Speaker 3>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But and yeah, as far as any anyone at any

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<v Speaker 2>targets out there that are nervous, Hey, if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>breaking the law, you've got nothing to worry about the law.

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<v Speaker 3>So I love it. I love it. It's awesome. No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's true.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know when your next thing, when you're ready

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<v Speaker 4>to do it and disclose it, we'll be talking again

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<v Speaker 4>here on Marias MutS and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So, Pete Paxton, thank you so much as always

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<v Speaker 4>for doing all that you do. Uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>love that we've become friends and you're always willing to

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<v Speaker 4>share your experiences because you definitely you definitely you know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost like when somebody is watching a scary movie

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<v Speaker 4>and you have your eyes closed really tight. And what

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<v Speaker 4>I love about you is you force people's eyes to

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<v Speaker 4>be open and we need that, you know. Yeah, Pete Paxston,

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna definitely talk again. Thanks for all you do.

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<v Speaker 4>Keep keep fighting the good fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Likewise, thank you,