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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back, Welcome back to the Surely

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you Can't Be Serious podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are here in a biker bar. I'm enjoying a

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little pool and a little beer, and there's a naked man.

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Speaker 3: Here and then you close your boots and your motorcycle.

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Speaker 2: You forgot to say please Welcome back, everybody. This is

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the second part of our Terminator versus Terminator two podcast.

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Sure and check out last week's episode where we talked

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about the origin story on both of these and the casting,

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and now we're ready to jump into the movies and

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the production themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yes, one of the things I want to talk about

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before we get too far down the line. They brought

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Linda Hamilton back for Terminator two. Yes, let's talk about

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Linda's body.

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Speaker 2: She did a little bit of running and a little

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bit of weightlifting.

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Speaker 3: I believe goodness, it was the talk of the entertainment

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world at that time. She transformed herself from puny, little

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wiener little Sarah Connor from nineteen eighty four right into

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hardened butt kicking Sarah Connor from nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Yep, she apparently was training with Robert de niro k

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fear right came out of ninety one as well. He

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looked like a He got ribbed up too, that's right,

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poop House as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently she lost twelve pounds, uh huh and just

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muscled up. You can tell as she's running down the

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hallway and in the fight scenes she is athletic and

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fast and fit and tough.

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Speaker 2: And I imagine her from Terminator one dressed in the

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military fatigues that she puts on a termination she would

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have looked completely wrong. She would have looked like a

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marshmallow inside of a bulletproof vest. It doesn't make any sense.

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She made herself look like a hardened tough I've spent

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my entire life training for the days that are to come.

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Speaker 4: Morning, Sarah, Good morning, doctor Silverman.

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Speaker 2: How's the knee?

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Speaker 3: Those pull ups that she did in her room, that's

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really her out there, just shredding it. And actually Arnold

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himself said, I'm really impressed with how Linda has trained

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her body and gotten fit.

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Speaker 2: They wanted her to cut her hair.

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Speaker 3: That's right. She actually held her ground on that. They

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really wanted her to cut her hair kind of short,

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military esque.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's going to be Vasquez from Aliens.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and she's like, I want to keep it long.

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I want to hold onto that femininity just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked, it worked, It would I I don't

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think I would have liked the I liked the haircut

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on Vesquez. I don't think I would have liked it

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on her. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, once again, James Cameron demonstrating how to

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have a female tough protagonist. Yep, Vasquez, Ripley, and now

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Sarah Connor.

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Speaker 2: All Right, so let's jump back to Terminator and talk

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about the making of Okay, this is James Cameron's first movie.

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I'll say it again, this is James Cameron's first movie.

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He had done Exogenesis, which was a twenty minute thing

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that he did with his high school buddies on a

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no budget. I mean, go check it out. It's awesome,

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but it's not a movie. And then he had Piranha two,

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which he got fired from he didn't direct. He wanted

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his name taken off of it because he didn't direct it.

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Right now, he's the guy in charge of what is

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becoming a truly large budget, amazing movie.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the most iconic movies of the eighties.

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Speaker 2: But and it's not a huge budget.

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Speaker 3: The budget of the original Terminator six point four million dollar.

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Speaker 2: That's not very much money, no, I mean when we're

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talking about Hollywood money that I mean remember that five

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years before this, Tom Scarrett had heard about that number

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and he was like, sounds like an ed Wood movie. Yeah, right.

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But this is what Roger Corman says about James Cameron

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because they were talking to him about Titanic and the

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fact that you know, this was the most expensive movie

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of all time, and Roger Corman had said previously like

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you should never have to spend that much money in

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a movie. But when they talk to him about James Cameron,

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he goes the difference with James Cameron is you can

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see all of those dollar bills on the screen. You

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don't see something that's wasted. He takes every dollar and

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makes it look like ten.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. This is the same guy who painted

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big Macs dirofoam containers and put him on the wall

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for Galaxy of Terror.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what he did. Like Roger Corman came in,

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He's like, it doesn't really have any dimension on this wall.

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I feel like it needs more depth and more variation.

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And Jim Cameron's like, I'll see what I can do, Sir.

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Roger Corman Leaves comes back the next morning, has got

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the wall completely covered with boxes that he bought from

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a grocery store, dials that he picked up at a

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hardware store, and he's like, Jim, this is amazing. How

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much did it cost? He's like, twelve dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 2: He knows how to stretch the dollar and make it work.

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And that's exactly what he's doing on this movie.

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Speaker 3: By the way, let's let's just go ahead and get

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this on the table right now. Yeah, Terminator's budget six

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point four million. Okay, you compare that to Terminator two

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one hundred and two million dollars.

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Speaker 2: That's a little bit of a jump.

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Speaker 3: That's a jump, right, Yeah, But Terminator made over seventy

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eight million dollars on a six million dollar budget. Yep, okay,

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Terminator two five hundred and twenty million dollars. Wow, so

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took relatively modest budgets. Now T Two's is exorbitant, but

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he made five times as much, right, so impressive, hits.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Before we get going, I just want to point

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something out. We have been talking to each other now

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for a couple of years face to fight. And one

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of the reasons that I can do that is because

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you don't have nose hair. Have you been talking to

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people and like you can't even concentrate on what they're

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saying because of their nose hair.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, they like tuck to you.

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Speaker 2: It dangles, yes, it wiggles. It's a total distraction. Absolutely,

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It's not embarrassing. You just stick it up there. It

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna look at people and bother them, right,

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And I'm one of those guys who's self conscious about

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my nose hair. So somebody that you're gonna see me

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Speaker 3: Whack it perfect.

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Speaker 2: So Los Angeles Colon twenty twenty nine, Yeah, which in

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nineteen eighty four seemed like a long ways away and

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right now it's eight years away.

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Speaker 3: Do we have any laser guns right now? No?

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Speaker 2: But we do have AI. Yeah, we've got AI that

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I've seen. Elon Musk could go. Yeah. I tried to

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tell them that they needed to be careful about this,

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but they just wouldn't listen, Like, holy crap, dude.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The good news is we haven't had the nuclear holocausts

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back in nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 3: Skynet has not become self aware just.

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Speaker 2: Yet not yet.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well that's cool. I've got some behind the scenes

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stuff I want to talk about from the movie Terminator.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So we talked about how sometimes they had filmmaking

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permits and sometimes they didn't. They filmed most of this

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movie at night. Yeah, so it messed with the cast's

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sleeping schedule and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So it was kind of a tense thing. But people

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come up to Michael Bean and they're like, oh, man,

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so you were on the Terminator. He's like, yeah, I

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was in the Terminator. Like what's it like working with Arnold?

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He's like, I don't know. I never worked with him.

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They were there in one shot together that's in the

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Tech Noir. Okay. So the Terminator comes, puts the laser

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right on Sarah Connor's forehead, and Reese makes his move

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and shoots him actually in the arm, which if you

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watch carefully, I didn't really pick up on this. That

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shotgun blast to his arm. It damages his arm and

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that's why he has to go fix it later. But

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they never interacted. They never spoke on screen, and Arnold

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made it a point not to hang out with Lynn

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with him. Right, I'm the dominator. I'm trying to kill you. Yeah,

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when Michael Bean gets killed later on the movie. Yeah,

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it's not Arnold, it's that it's the Endo skeleton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Wow, never worked with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, Okay, most iconic line's probably said it five times already,

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most Yeah, you would, what is it? Say it?

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Speaker 3: I'll be back?

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Speaker 2: Right? So, Arnold Schwarzenegger did not want to say that

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line that way, right, He didn't want to do it.

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about this. You've got the first time director. He's stressed out.

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He and Arnold got along great. They've read motorcycles together.

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Arnold comes to him and says, I don't like this line.

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It doesn't make any sense. It should be I will

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Speaker 3: I think he's got a good point.

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Speaker 2: But James Cameron was steadfast. He's like, really, at this point,

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you're rewriting my script for me. You're the actor. I'm

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the scriptwriter, just say it the way that I wrote it.

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So Arnold has still giving him He's like, my accent,

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it's all. He recognized himself that he couldn't enunciate that

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word the appropriate way, and so James Cameron's like, we

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will film it six different ways and pick the best one.

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I'll be back, and it becomes the most iconic line

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in the whole movie.

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Speaker 3: According to AFI, the American Film Institute, I'll be back

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is the number thirty seventh greatest line in movie history.

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Speaker 2: Wow, pull that right out of your head.

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 3: I wrote that down.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because if you just think about, like if

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a throwaway line, right right, I'll be that. That's not

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a big important line. But because it's followed up, like

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guy is a terminator and he's doing whatever he wants

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to to reach his target, you know something's about to happen.

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And my gosh, they give us the dessert before the meal.

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They have him drive that car right through freaking front

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so cool.

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Speaker 3: And that assault on the police station is amazing because

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the police are no match for this guy, and Reese

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had just told them what was going to happen. Yeah,

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he's like, you don't get it. He'll wave through you,

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reach down her throat and pull out her effing heart.

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Speaker 2: He'll find her. That's what he done.

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Speaker 3: That's all he's done.

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Speaker 5: He'll can't stop him.

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and again where someone who genuinely has gone through a

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miraculous or scientifically implausible thing. I mean, look, think about

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and to everyone else they've seem crazy crazy, right, But

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it's there's a cut scene you know about this. There's

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a cut scene during that shootout where that police chief

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realizes that Reese had been telling the truth, that like,

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this is really happening, and he's the one that gives

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Reese the gun so that Reese can fight back.

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Speaker 3: Really Yeah, oh that's amazing. I wish we'd have seen that. Yeah, okay,

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so here's the deal. I got a stat for you.

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Ready for this? The Terminator in part one, the T

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eight hundred, the original, Yes, he kills twenty seven people. Okay, okay,

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stay with me now, Yeah, he kills the Punker at

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the beginning where he actually does reach inside his body

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pulls out his heart. Yeah, he kills the gun store owner,

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our buddy from Gremlins.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: He kills two Sarah Connors, Sarah Connor. Yeah, he kills

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: He kills three people in tech nowir the club, Yes

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with the Newsy Yes, seventeen police officers, which we find

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out in Terminator two. Right, and then Sarah's.

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and he's imitating her voice. Yep.

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you know, the subject is typically terminated. Yes, you know, right,

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twenty seven people killed by the Terminator. You know, many

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people he kills in the second one zero zero zero,

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because that was the promise, right. Yeah, Now, the t

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one thousand kills the police officer at the beginning, he

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kills Janelle and Todd. He kills Max the dog, which

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Speaker 2: Oh it's tragic.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I did not.

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Speaker 3: He kills the dog, the family dog, murders the dog.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of dogs. During the production of Terminator one of

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the studio guys comes in and says, hey, you know what,

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he would be. It would be better if he had

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a dog. And so they were supposed to like he's

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like he suggested him having a Terminator dog. Yeah, and

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so and so James Cameron was like, that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, super idea. I think I'll put it in maybe

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maybe never. So listen to this when you talk about

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changing the script. Yeah, okay, this is this is such

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typical suit behavior, right. These guys Daily and another guy

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named Mike Metavoy, who had recommended arn Swarzenator to Cameron,

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come to him and say, we want the movie Terminator

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to die after the tanker explosion, like Reese slides that

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pipe bomb in there, it blows up. We want the

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Terminator to die because it's gonna be pretty expensive from

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that point on. So the no yeah, so so, no

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resurrection of the endoskeleton, no awesome chase of the robot right,

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no hydraulic press, none of that, no death of Reese.

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coming to Jim Cameron and they say, hey, we want

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not over yet, right, that's really similar to what happened

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in Terminator two. They wanted to cut that biker scene

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at the beginning. Okay, what the introduction of the terminator, right,

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and all this stuff, the really cool fight and the

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pool que and then all that stuff. Yeah, And so

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they went to Arnold and they said, listen, Jim's not

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gonna like this, but we want to cut that opening scene.

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to rEFInd out that information. And so Arnold Schwarzenegger said,

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that's only something a suit would say. I'm not going

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to say that to Jim. We'll film that scene both times.

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The studio back down.

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Speaker 2: Nice, Well, it's Arnold Schwarzenegger, what are you going to do? Right? So,

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before they got the news that they had to postpone

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making Terminator one because Dino de la Renis had said

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we're making Conan Part two, Arnold Schwarzenegger had been training

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with guns. He had been training every day for a

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month to prepare and he would practice taking them apart

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and put them back together, to the point that he

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could do it blindfolded like a machine. Yep. Perfect. And

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he does such a good job that soldier of Fortune magazine,

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who usually makes fun of people actors in the way

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that they handle guns, actually complimented him and said he

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looked like he really knew what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Here's something I found interesting.

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During the production of Conan the Destroyer, they interviewed Arnold

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Schwarzenegger about his upcoming stuff, right, and he referred to

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The Terminator as some movie I'm doing. It's going to

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take a few weeks. He wasn't a big believer in

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the project, which is crazy. Yeah, And however, he has

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since recanted that and said it was wrong with me

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to judge the movie before I was fully involved, and

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James Cameron created a fantastic character. And while I was hesitant,

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I now know The Terminator is a defining work in

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my career. Okay, let's talk time travel for a second. Okay,

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you ready for this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing that is so cool about Terminator and

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so difficult to understand. Okay, the rules of time travel. Okay,

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all right, so here are the rules.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, are they the rules from Back to

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the Future Bill and Ted or from Avengers Endgame? Okay?

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Speaker 3: And I know there's tons of stuff on the internet

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about this. We could talk all day about this, but

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here's the gist. Okay. Sarah Connor as she's going through

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her life boom, her life is invaded by this game,

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and Kyle Reese and the Terminator have been sent from

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the future one sent to Killer one Cent to protect her.

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becomes pregnant with her son, who becomes John Connor. And

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John Connor since his friend Kyle reeves back to protect his.

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Speaker 2: Mother, his dad, Kyle reesack.

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Speaker 3: His dad who's also his friend. Yeah right, hey, go

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back and nail my mom. So I can exist. But

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how would he exist to do that if he hadn't

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done that in.

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Speaker 2: The first place. It's all the timeline, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then also the events of Terminator, including the hand

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that is reaching for Sarah Connor's throat and the chip

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in his head that sets off a chain of events

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that takes Miles Dyson down where he can then build

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something like reverse Engineer in order to create Cyberdiine, which

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then leads to Skynet, which then leads to the Terminators.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it's I don't know. I don't try to explain it.

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I just enjoy it. Okay, time travel is not an

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actual thing right now that we know of Who's to say?

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing I want to talk about? Okay,

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I got a couple buddes, Jeff Bulls and roumangoat and

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we've talked about this many times. Okay, Kyle Reese when

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he's at the police department, he's very clear, we both

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went back in time, and once we did that, they

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smashed the grid. Right, we had one. He makes the

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whole case that is just him and me. There's no

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going home, and there's nobody else coming through to help. Okay, Yeah,

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well that's a great plot for part one. What happens

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Speaker 2: He was wrong?

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Speaker 3: I guess it was wrong.

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Speaker 2: It was wrong. I mean, well, how does he know

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Speaker 3: Well? I guess so, yeah, And I think Terminator Genesis

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addresses that, uh huh, like he went through and something

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else happened that he didn't know about. But still, this

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premise of part three is nothing. None of those events matters.

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Judgment Day happens anyway.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh?

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Speaker 3: Which is that's complete bull crab. That's the whole thing

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that Terminator two wrapped up for us.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you like Terminator Dark Fate?

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Speaker 3: Oh, don't even get me started. I killed John Connor

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in the first five minutes. Spoiler alert check that out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so beginning of the movie. Still early in

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the movie, right, yeah, there's a message that like Linda

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Hamilton's Sarah Connor gets a message on her machine that

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the guy's breaking her date. By the way, side note,

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side note, they have a lizard that's the most random

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Pugsy Hugsy from the Adams Family Pugsly. The lizard doesn't

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show up again. Is not a plot device. It's not

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really cute and cuddly. What why why did they have

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Speaker 3: Good question? Okay, no idea.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, while she's she's decided to stay home with

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Pugsy because her date has been broken. Right voice on

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the answering machine leaving her the message James Cameron.

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Speaker 3: AhR, that's cool, nice all right. August twenty ninth, nineteen

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ninety seven is Judgment Day. Okay, that's the day that

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Skynett becomes self aware and launches his attack on the Russians.

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The Russians then fireback of the US and we have

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massive nuclear holocaust. Yes, this is the date we are

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trying to avoid. Sarah makes the case that anybody not

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wearing two million sunblock is going to have a really

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bad day. Right, Okay, Yeah, you know what happened August

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twenty ninth, nineteen ninety seven, Like in reality, In reality,

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no Netflix is launched.

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Speaker 2: Oh so Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Is aim Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So you remember speaking of Fright Night versus Lost Boys,

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You remember that both of those movies had an interesting

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story where the guys went out and make up into

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the regular world. Yeah, it's kind of freaking the same

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thing happened in this movie. Arnold goes out to get

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a bite at a restaurant and forgets that he's got

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half of his face missing. Freaks out. Everybody has like

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the missing eye and the exposed jawbone and the burned flesh,

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and everybody at the restaurant doesn't want to eat anymore.

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So just again to kind of separate what's going

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on plot wise from reality. While Terminator one is going on,

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James Cameron is falling in love. Yeah, he is with

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his producer, Gallien Hurd. Yeah, they get married, and then

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of course they're divorced by the time that he two

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rolls around. And then during T two he.

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Speaker 3: Falls in love again with miss Linda Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well she's been working out.

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Speaker 3: I love those viceps of years. Okay, So a couple

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of little tidbits ione through out here real quick, okay.

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From Terminator there's a really cool scene where Arnold jumps

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through fire onto the hood of the car and punches

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out the windshield yep. In that scene, he actually burns

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his hair off, so his hairstyle changes yep, and his

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eyebrows get burned off. He actually ensured his eyebrows with

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Lloyd's of London in case they didn't grow back.

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Speaker 2: Nice. This is why he wears sunglasses, by the way,

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because why would a robot need sunglasses? He doesn't have

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real flesh eyes, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, Plus he has to go back to the apartment

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take out one of his eyes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that also needs to be covered up.

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Speaker 3: You don't one of the things we didn't really talk about.

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Do you remember watching these movies in the theater or

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at home or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: So, truthfully, because Terminator it came out in eighty four,

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so I was eight years old, I didn't sneak into

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it like I snuck into risky business vacation and trading places,

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and so I didn't get to see Terminator for a

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long time. By the time T two came out, I

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didn't really care because I wasn't a Terminator guy. So

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it was years after these movies came out before I

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finally rented them and watched them.

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Speaker 3: Really okay, Yeah, So I discovered Terminator on HBO okay,

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like a year after it had come out, and was

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totally blown away. I watched this and I thought, man,

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this is really cool. I actually read the novelization. Oh wow,

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I mean, I was into it. So when T two

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comes out in ninety one, we go opening nine.

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Speaker 2: So it is important for our fans to know that

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you are a James Cameron freak.

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Speaker 3: Yes I am. I'm a super freak.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I am. You are a James Cameron super freak. Yes,

470
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,599
we started hanging out roughly two thousand and nine, I

471
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,559
started trying to get in shape. We started running. If

472
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,279
you want to hear our preview episodes, that's how like,

473
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,400
that's how this podcast came to be, was our runs.

474
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,599
And that was two thousand and nine. And there was

475
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,880
a movie that came out in two thousand and nine

476
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,720
called Avatar. Yeah, and that was the first movie you

477
00:23:58,759 --> 00:23:59,559
and I ever saw that.

478
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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.

479
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 2: And we walked into that movie and it was full,

480
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:08,759
Like the entire theater was full. We had gotten the

481
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,279
three D movie thinking, okay, three D won't be as

482
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,839
many people, Oh my gosh, completely full except for like

483
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:20,079
a few seats on the very front row. And so

484
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,759
you and I watched Avatar three D glasses, having to

485
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:28,200
look from right to left just to get the full picture.

486
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Speaker 3: That's right.

487
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:29,839
Speaker 2: And it was amazing.

488
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Speaker 3: It was amazing. I love Avatar. I think it's an

489
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:36,440
incredible movie. Now here's the other thing. So when I

490
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say I'm a James Cameron, super freaking I love all

491
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,319
of his stuff and I take a lot of craft

492
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,759
for this, all right. So I love Terminator. I love

493
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:47,799
Terminator too. I love Aliens, I love true lies, I

494
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:53,680
love the Abyss, and yes, I love Titanic. It is

495
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:59,799
a master at work. I unapologetically freaking love the movie Titanic.

496
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Speaker 2: Okay, I just got to say this, And I may

497
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:05,200
have mentioned before, maybe I haven't. And I'm sure when

498
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,799
we cover Titanic, which I know that we will, we'll

499
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:10,640
probably do Forrest Gump Versus Titanic at some point in

500
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,680
the future. I've been in two fights in my life.

501
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One of them was as a teenager with my dad,

502
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,599
which everybody goes through, right, and then the other one

503
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,359
was in the movie theater when I was watching the

504
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,480
movie Titanic for the second time. I had seen it

505
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,799
and I was like, oh, this is actually pretty durn good,

506
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,960
and so I brought my girlfriend with me to watch

507
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it the second time. And then these guys come in

508
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,640
and start causing trouble. At the end of the movie.

509
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,400
They're like yelling and being rude, and everybody's yelling back

510
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,680
at them, finally yelling at them to get out, and

511
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:46,279
they start to leave the theater, and I think I'm

512
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,079
going to say this and just be kind of cool.

513
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,599
I'm like, I think I should go make sure that

514
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,519
they actually get out of here without getting somebody in

515
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:55,200
a fight and expecting my girlfriend to go, no, no,

516
00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:57,839
it'll be okay. But she's like, yeah, I think you should.

517
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,319
I don't beat him upde okay, great, and so I go.

518
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,720
I'm at the top of the stairs. They're walking down

519
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:09,119
the stairs. Everything looks like it's going to be fine

520
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,319
until some guy in the middle row takes his giant, big,

521
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,240
gulf size drink and chunks it at these guys. It

522
00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:20,680
smashes against the wall, splashes all over them. They of

523
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,559
course immediately turn around, head up the stairs and who's

524
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:27,240
who's waiting them? Who's waiting for them except mister I've

525
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,640
never been in a real fight in my life, but

526
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:32,160
I didn't. I couldn't let them know that.

527
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 6: They're like, do you do that?

528
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I didn't, but you're not

529
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,799
going to find out who did. And the fight was on.

530
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,880
The lasted for about fifteen seconds, rolled down the stairs,

531
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:46,279
wrestling with each other, pulled out into the hallway. Wow,

532
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,039
the police were there and they let me go back

533
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:51,359
and I got to finish the second time of fight Titanic.

534
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 3: About that man. That is a cool story.

535
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,799
Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, So let's jump from production on

536
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:15,720
Terminator one and let's go over to T two. Okay, okay,

537
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,839
So massive iconic scene is the riverbed chase. Whatever the

538
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,319
h that's awesome, right, And you pointed this out to me,

539
00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:28,000
and I was watching with Caleb because he's my guy

540
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,279
to watch movies with, right, right, So we're watching this

541
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,720
together and I'm listening, like you hear it's guns and

542
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,000
roses because Caleb knows rock, right, he knows guns and roses. Like,

543
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:38,279
oh okay, and I'm even point it out again. I'm

544
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:40,039
gonna look there it is again. This is you could

545
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,920
be mine by guns and roses. Again. He's like, okay, Dad,

546
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,400
I got it. And I'm like, are you watching? Are

547
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,240
you watching? And Arnold Schwarzenegger has the box of roses

548
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:53,519
and then it bursts open and it is a gun,

549
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:55,279
and I'm like, is he that is he that? He's

550
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,880
like yeah, yeah, like it was a gun in rows.

551
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,319
He's like, ah, I love it.

552
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is actually a really cool nod to guns

553
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,480
and roses.

554
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: So that gun then comes into play during that big

555
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,960
chase sequence right where they're driving, and he's that's can

556
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,279
you imagine how difficult that was to do? The driving?

557
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,160
The motorcycle through the gates shooting the gun and he

558
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,079
has to do it like a robot. He like bruised

559
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160
up his hands, tore the skin off his hands, hit

560
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,519
Edward Furlong in the head, but the gun almost knocked

561
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:33,519
him out once right, and it was all perfectly edited together,

562
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,680
so it looked like a genuine Terminator robot driving a

563
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,240
motorcycle chasing a semi and a little kid on a

564
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:41,759
third one.

565
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:43,119
Speaker 3: That scene is so incredible.

566
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:45,519
Speaker 2: I didn't get to go check this out, but I

567
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,000
seem to remember that when I watched it the first

568
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:50,480
time that I was like, Okay, I can see the

569
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:55,640
stuntman's face, like I recognized the stuntman as not Arnold Schwarzenegger.

570
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,720
When I watched it this time, I think they've seed

571
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,400
gi'ed it more. I think that because it looks like Arnold,

572
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,400
it does not look like somebody else anymore in any

573
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,039
parts of that.

574
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: You know, one of the cool shots you mentioned that

575
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,960
scene that is super cool scene They had the motorcycle

576
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,880
and it's where Arnold has to jump the motorcycle from

577
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,640
up one level to down one level and it was

578
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,880
going to be about nine hundred pounds of force if

579
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,720
it just natural gravity happened, right, it would destroy the bike,

580
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:25,240
and so obviously they didn't want to do that. But

581
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:28,240
the suspension wires, Jim Cameron kind of rigged this up.

582
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:30,240
When you look at it, you're like, man, that landed

583
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,400
was some impact. So those wires held the weight a

584
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,519
little bit, but not entirely. So when he lands, he

585
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,720
like he has a good jolt, you know, and you think, well,

586
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:40,720
that looks really real.

587
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

588
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not some crappy CGI shot. It's an actual

589
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,039
motorcycle landing on actual pavement.

590
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And speaking about having to make changes on the fly,

591
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:55,839
the semi truck, it wasn't until they got it down

592
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,920
in the little riverbed area that they realized it was

593
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,759
too tall to go the overpass well, and so James

594
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,119
Cameron's like, well, let's just drive it through and cut

595
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:06,799
off the top.

596
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Speaker 3: Take the roof off.

597
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,279
Speaker 2: And what an incredible scene comes about from that, And

598
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:15,839
that's the fire scene where the liquid metal terminator comes out.

599
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,079
Speaker 3: And that's really the time as the audience fe you're like, well,

600
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,680
this thing's really indestructible. Yeah, okay, so here here's a

601
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,720
funny story that I found. The motorcycle biker bar at

602
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:27,599
the beginning of the movie, right, do you have the

603
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,480
introduction of the Arnold character and he walks into the

604
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,519
biker bar and he's totally nude. Yeah, and I want

605
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,119
you to close your boots and your motorcycle.

606
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,279
Speaker 2: Right. I love that the girls are all just like

607
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,880
shocked and then interested, Oh my god, hell.

608
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:47,319
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up. In order to be funny, Arnold wore

609
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:52,960
these incredibly obnoxious swimsuit shorts. Yeah, and everybody's like, huh,

610
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:57,160
those are funny. There's a funny looking shorts. But apparently

611
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,759
they have all these lights and all these trucks and

612
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,319
all these movie cameras and everything. They said. One woman

613
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,240
wandered off the street watered into the bar and looked

614
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,759
around and was like, what's going on here? And Arnold said,

615
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:18,319
it's mail striper Knight. That biker bar is actually a

616
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:18,839
biker bar.

617
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: Or was yeah, it's a library now, right.

618
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: It's a library now. And it was located right across

619
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,119
the street from where Rodney King got his Oh yeah,

620
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:29,519
they were from the cops. Yeah, filming on the night

621
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,559
that had happened. What, Yes, they were filming on the

622
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,200
night that that happened. I don't know if it was

623
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,119
at the exact same time, but I mean they were

624
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,839
filming at the same time that the Rodney King incident

625
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,319
happened right across the stre Wow. Wow, one little tibbet

626
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,480
for you. When they showed this movie to Spanish speaking countries, Yes,

627
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,200
the Osta la Vista baby line, yes is changed too,

628
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,119
sayonara baby, which I sent this video to you? I

629
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:58,880
sent a video to you. I believe this is unverified,

630
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,000
but the US still live east A baby line comes

631
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,599
from a Jody Wattley song from nineteen eighty seven called

632
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:15,680
looking for a New Love. Okay, that song was very

633
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,039
popular and she says it many times in the song.

634
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: Let's listens, Yeah, but later dick wad and if someone

635
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:34,480
gives upset, say chill out, or you can do combinations.

636
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: Chill out, dick wad, No problem, no problem. Okay. Let's

637
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,559
talk about the deleted scenes really quick. Okay, Okay, Like aliens,

638
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,720
there are some deleted scenes that are really cool. We

639
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:49,279
already talked, I think in our last episode about where

640
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:53,039
the two one thousand actually kills the dog, the family dog. Right,

641
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:55,720
that was cut out, But there's a really interesting scene

642
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,000
when they hole up in that gas station. John says,

643
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:01,519
does your computer chip allow you to learn so you

644
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,440
can emulate human behavior better? And the terminator says, basically,

645
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:07,720
I have a chip, but you have to reprogram it

646
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,240
in order for that to happen. And so in order

647
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:11,880
to do that, they have to take a party's head

648
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,519
and they have to remove this tube. And it's a

649
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:18,519
really cool scene. So they have this practical effect where

650
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:24,640
you have a false Arnold Torso across from real Arnold Schwarzenegger.

651
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,920
It's supposed to be a mirror, but they're actually there's

652
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,519
no glass in between them. And then you have Linda

653
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:33,519
Hamilton working on the dummy who's across from Linda Hamilton's

654
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:37,240
twin sister, Leslie. So this is really cool scene. They

655
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,359
cut it out and you know, they easily explain it

656
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,799
by saying my own the terminator just learns. But it's

657
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,720
a really cool scene because when they remove the chip,

658
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Sarah wants to destroy the chip and we don't need

659
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:50,359
this protector.

660
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:51,519
Speaker 2: We're better on our own.

661
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: And that's when John actually leads in such a way

662
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,319
to say, no, we are taking this guy and he

663
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,519
is going to help.

664
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: Us, right, pretty cool scene.

665
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:01,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then at the end of the movie, the

666
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,720
T one thousand after he gets in the liquid nitrogen

667
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,480
blown up, he reforms, but he starts to glitch, so

668
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,360
his hand starts to not work properly in his feet

669
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,440
start to meld to the to the the grading a

670
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,880
little bit more right.

671
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:19,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and her twin sister comes up in that last

672
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,920
scene as well. Whenever whenever the T one thousand is

673
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000
pretending to be Sarah Connor and then the real Sarah

674
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,440
Connor shows up. I mean I always just thought they've

675
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,159
done a double image double shot like you would normally

676
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,559
do when you were twentying somebody. But as you mentioned,

677
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,960
Linda Happleleton has an actual twin and that's who they used.

678
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,599
Speaker 3: It's pretty cool.

679
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta rest your soul. She passed away last year. Yeah.

680
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Which that's one of the only scenes in the

681
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,079
entire movie that I have a problem with. Okay, the

682
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,760
T one thousand is torturing Sarah, saying Caul.

683
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: John, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

684
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 3: He would just rip her heart out emulate her, Yeah,

685
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,400
and pretend to be Sarah exactly.

686
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: Oh and talking about you know, the glitchy part after

687
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,639
he has the liquid nitrogen thing, the way that they

688
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,840
actually filmed that scene is they got an amputee actor

689
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,800
to walk that part and have the limbs fall off.

690
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Oh cool, then kind of merged it with Robert Patrick.

691
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,639
It's really an amazing bit of editing again that they

692
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,760
that they did.

693
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,199
Speaker 3: At the end of the movie when the T eight

694
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,280
hundred and T one thousand fight. Yeah, there's a scene

695
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,880
where Robert Patrick's character has to use a poll to

696
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,840
hit the terminator.

697
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: Right, yes, yeah, So they had a false arm and

698
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,760
he was supposed to hit a certain spot and he

699
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,360
did it and Roberts like, crap, I missed the mark

700
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,599
and I whacked him right, and he said, Arnold didn't

701
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:42,920
cry out, he didn't do anything when they said.

702
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:50,639
Speaker 3: Cut, Arnold said, Roberts, that was my real arm. One

703
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:52,559
other scene that was filmed but didn't make it to

704
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,840
the final movie was this alternate ending where Sarah is

705
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,079
a grandmother. She's at that same park that gets blown

706
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,360
up by the nuclear black and John is a senator.

707
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: And have that got to have the sequels that sued. Okay,

708
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,199
let's talk real quick about special effects. Okay, we mentioned

709
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,320
Stan Winston in our Aliens Versus Alien podcast from before, right, right,

710
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,960
So what's interesting is Stan Winston's first really big movie

711
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,079
as a special effects guy was Terminator, Right. He had

712
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,800
done some other prosthetics stuff, like if you've ever seen

713
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,039
Little Big Man with Dustin Hoffman, there's a part where

714
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,199
he's really that was stan Winston who did that, right. Okay,

715
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,960
So when Terminator got greenlit, James Cameron wanted Dick Smith

716
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,800
to come in and do the special effects, and Dick

717
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,079
Smith was like, thank you, but no, you should hire

718
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:46,119
mister stan Winston. And so Terminator was stan Winston's first

719
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,440
really big special effects movie. And then he of course

720
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,239
comes back for Terminator too, right, And in addition to

721
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,000
all the prosthetics that he got to do with this one,

722
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:01,840
he also has that nuclear apocalypse scene where she's dreaming

723
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,199
and you know, she's seeing herself on the playground with

724
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,320
Little John and she's trying to save everybody screaming from

725
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,280
the fence and then the nuclear holl house, and they

726
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,440
like made miniatures. They used shredded wheat and all this

727
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,320
other stuff to make it. And it was like when

728
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,320
I saw it, I was like, I feel like they

729
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,760
took real footage from like back in the mid twentieth

730
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,039
century and you but no, this was stuff that they

731
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:27,800
all just created themselves and then they had the people

732
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,000
burn like paper. And Stan Winston says, of all of

733
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:33,960
the special effects he's done in all of the horror

734
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,599
movies that he's been a part of, that scene was

735
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:38,639
the most unsettling to him.

736
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: That's really good.

737
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,159
Speaker 2: Okay, we're ready to talk soundtrack.

738
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: Let's talk soundtrack.

739
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:47,679
Speaker 2: Okay, both scores are iconic, right, yes, no question, right,

740
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,559
and a major part of the movie, yes, for sure.

741
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:55,000
But once again, with the Terminator, you have a composer

742
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:58,519
that had never done a movie before. Wow. Right, So

743
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:00,880
we've talked about this guy before, talked about him on

744
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,239
Fright Night. Right, he's the guy who did the soundtrack

745
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,599
Fright Night. But Fright Night was after terminating, Yeah, it was.

746
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 3: And she's the one who did come to me?

747
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, your story about hey, yeah, is this Brad Fidel? Yes,

748
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,119
you know that song come to Me? Yeah, you have

749
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:22,000
a longer version.

750
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,519
Speaker 3: My boyfriend and I really love that song.

751
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: Just have to play it.

752
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: That's such a great story.

753
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:37,679
Speaker 2: So Brad Fidel, Right, we've got strong synthesizer music. Brad

754
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,119
Fidel was actually this lady named Beth Donahue. She was

755
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,159
an agent and she heard that James Cameron was working

756
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:49,679
on Terminator, and so she sends him a cassette tape

757
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:53,519
of Fidel's music, and Cameron and Herd were both just

758
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,480
kind of meh on it. Meh yeah, and he says

759
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,039
Brad Fidel says, I showed them an experimental piece that

760
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:04,599
I've been working on, and I said, you know what,

761
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,159
I'm going to play this for him because it's really

762
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,480
dark and I think it's interesting for him. And it

763
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,159
was that dark experimental piece that got him the part

764
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,440
of composer for this movie.

765
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,039
Speaker 3: I think they even take it up a notch and

766
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:17,800
Terminator too.

767
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, you.

768
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,519
Speaker 3: Have the you have more strings, you have more power.

769
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:26,199
But he has that hammer sound, right, yeah, and it's

770
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,079
really prominent. But that hammer was him banging his cast

771
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:34,079
iron skillet. He's like, people thought it was this big

772
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,400
anvil or some orchestral instrument. He's like, it was my

773
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:42,159
one that I actually cook in. Bang bang, All right.

774
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,559
Speaker 2: So Terminator is finished. They release it. Yes, it does

775
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,000
pretty well on its opening weekend, makes four million dollars,

776
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,360
I believe, which is I mean, that's three quarters of

777
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,400
the budget, so that's not bad. But then o'rian pulls

778
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,039
the marketing budget. James camer and Gale Herd are like,

779
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:03,440
what the crap? What are we just don't we think

780
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,119
this is a word of mouth kind of movie. They're like, guys,

781
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,880
it's blowing it up in the theater, why would you

782
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,880
do this? And they're they're just like, noll, we just

783
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,039
don't feel like it's worth the money. They're like, it's

784
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,840
five thousand dollars for a full page add and variety

785
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,400
of magazine. It will make us millions because you just

786
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,199
do it, and they don't. Yeah, it's insane, And so

787
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:25,599
it doesn't do as well as it potentially could have, right,

788
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:28,000
but it still becomes a cult classic. Like the fans

789
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,719
absolutely swarm it. Word of mouth actually works out.

790
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: It was number one at the box office for two weeks.

791
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Now keep in mind this is October. Terminator one was

792
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,760
released October twenty sixth of nineteen eighty four, so it's

793
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,679
kind of in that gap before Thanksgiving.

794
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, nobody's watching Mary lou Rettin on the Olympics.

795
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,159
Speaker 3: But here's the deal. So it was number one for

796
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:53,519
two weeks. It was knocked out by Oh God, you devil? Wow?

797
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: Wow?

798
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: How about that? All right? So reception for Terminator two

799
00:40:59,199 --> 00:40:59,920
a little different.

800
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let's say for Terminator one, it was at

801
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:05,719
least good enough to get him the director job for

802
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,320
Aliens R.

803
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: Yes, and it was a hit. Oh yeah, I mean

804
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,679
and number one at the box office. That's a hit.

805
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Aliens gets nominated for several Oscars, but Terminator

806
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,320
got nominated for nothing. Right right now, Terminator two gets

807
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,360
released and it gets nominated. It is the only movie

808
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,159
in the twentieth century where the sequel got nominated for

809
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:26,519
Oscars where the original didn't.

810
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: Oh, very interesting.

811
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there have only been a couple more since then.

812
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,639
It was a Born Out, Ultimatum and Mad Max Fairy Road. Yeah,

813
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,199
those got nominated, but it's the only one from the

814
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,559
twentieth century that happened with.

815
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: Very interesting. This was the highest grossing movie of nineteen

816
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,320
ninety one. It was the first film to break the

817
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,280
US three hundred million dollar mark.

818
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: You, I would say it was the pinnacle of his

819
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:55,280
movie career. I would say that T two was the pinnacle.

820
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:59,000
He's made a couple of good movies since then, but

821
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,639
they weren't as No, this is the pinnacle, right and

822
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,440
he was the star of the day, like from eighty

823
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,039
two when Conan came out. He is rising star, getting

824
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:13,039
more and more famous, more and more money, are better

825
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:16,360
and better pictures, And then T two happens, and then

826
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,360
we get True Lies, which was okay, and some other

827
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,159
stuff that just wasn't that great. Last Action Hero, which.

828
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Last Action Hero is terrible. True Lies is great.

829
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:32,320
I'm gonna defend True Lies. But adjusted for inflation, this

830
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,280
is the highest grossing R rated movie of all time. Okay,

831
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,119
so it was a huge success, right despite its hundred

832
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:42,559
million dollar budget, it made over five hundred million dollars, massive,

833
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:43,119
massive hit.

834
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:43,519
Speaker 2: Wow.

835
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: Final Judgment, It's Judgment day, d Okay, where are you?

836
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,079
Speaker 2: There is no question in the scenario. There's just no question.

837
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:01,599
And I'm sorry. I did flip flop on Alien Aliens. Yes,

838
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480
I started off loving Aliens more and then landed on

839
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:08,559
Alien three. But when you compare Terminator, which is a

840
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:13,159
great movie on a six million dollar budget, with Terminator two,

841
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,440
which is a great movie on a one hundred million

842
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,000
dollar budget, yes, there can be no comparison. It is

843
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,519
far and away a better movie. It is better acted,

844
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:28,119
better produced, better soundtrack, storyline is better. I love that

845
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:31,599
they took the guy that was the villain and made

846
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:35,199
him the hero. And nobody knew until they walked into

847
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,920
the theater that day. None of the previews gave it

848
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,199
away you walked in. I mean, you think about that,

849
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,079
when you're watching T two and you're seeing everything that's

850
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,599
going on, you would be fooled. You would be thinking,

851
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,280
wait a minute, the skinny guy, the little skinny guy

852
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,679
is a cop. He's the cop. He's the good guy.

853
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,440
He's going to help and Arnold, the previous Terminator. He's

854
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,360
about to get him. He's about to get John Connor.

855
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,239
And he does. And wait a minute, he's saving him.

856
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,280
He's not killing him, he's saving him. That is the

857
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,639
plot twist from the first movie than the first thirty

858
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,960
minutes of the second movie. Loved It. T two wins

859
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,559
the day, no question. Spiking the foot, spiking the football.

860
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: All right, that's interesting. Here's where I come down. Terminator

861
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:22,760
like Alien, is one of the most effective horror movies.

862
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: Of all time.

863
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: You have an unkillable killing machine, a nightmare that is

864
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,119
stalking you. I love the Kyle Reeves character. I love

865
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,079
how you think you've killed it and it resurrects from

866
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:36,440
the pile and you have that cool stop motion robot

867
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,599
who's coming after you. But like you said, the effects

868
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,480
of T two way better. The acting is more intense,

869
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:48,519
there's more terminators, there's more guns. Everything about T two

870
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,000
is up a notch. Now does that make it a

871
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,920
better movie? In this case, the answer is yes it does.

872
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,320
T two is better than T one.

873
00:44:58,639 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

874
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,639
Speaker 3: I love Termain, I love Terminator two more. Plus you

875
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,559
throw in the guns and roses thing. The coolness factor

876
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,400
was through the roof that summer of ninety one. This

877
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:09,679
was the movie.

878
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: Keep in mind nineteen ninety one that fall that is

879
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,320
when Use Your Illusion one and two comes out.

880
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: This was our sneak peek at Use Your Illusion one

881
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,559
and two. I'm spiking the football Terminator two better movie.

882
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,239
Here's what our friends from a Film Buy had to

883
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,239
say about T one and T two. Hey, d Jason,

884
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,159
this is Jeff Johnson and this is Brad Kozo and

885
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:34,400
we're from a Film By podcast. We were excited to

886
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,000
hear about.

887
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 5: Your Terminator versus Terminator two episode and we wanted a

888
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:40,639
chance to weigh in. Brad, what do you think?

889
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 6: Two great movies directed by a great director. But when

890
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,840
it comes down to it. One film is a timeless

891
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:51,599
science fiction raw masterpiece, and the other one is a

892
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:56,280
really good Hollywood blockbuster. There's just something about that first

893
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,960
film that makes it feel so raw and angry. I'm

894
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,280
I mean, it's First Blood, Mad Max, Halloween Escape from

895
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,440
New York like All in one in this Orwellian dystopian nightmare.

896
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:10,840
Both films are so good, but I gotta go Terminator

897
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,400
the original.

898
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:12,679
Speaker 3: How about you, Jeff Brad.

899
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 5: My cpu has a Neurnet processor. It's a learning computer,

900
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:19,880
and I have learned over the years that no amount

901
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,760
of CGI, big explosions or guns n' roses can beat

902
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,119
out a great story. It's the love story that's hidden

903
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,000
in all this sci fi and horror and action. That

904
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:32,360
is the Terminator. At the end of the day, a

905
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,840
soldier went after the girl and he completed his mission.

906
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,280
So I love Terminator two Judgment Day. I've always loved it.

907
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,000
I will still love it. But it's got to be

908
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:41,599
the Terminator.

909
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,079
Speaker 6: Ah, I didn't know if you would go with that one.

910
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,360
Curious to see what d and j Son are gonna say, though.

911
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 5: Well, let's find out. Listen, guys, we appreciate uh. Letting

912
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,480
us chime in and we look forward to hearing what

913
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:51,840
you say.

914
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,199
Speaker 2: Thanks.

915
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: Okay, well there you go.

916
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:56,039
Speaker 2: Wow, that's awesome. Guys. Hey, if you haven't checked out

917
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,440
a Film by podcast, be sure and go over there.

918
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:03,119
Subscribe to those guys. They take movies by directors that

919
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,519
aren't their most famous movie, but maybe their highest quality movie,

920
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:09,079
and they do such a fantastic job with them.

921
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: Every time I listen to their episode, I'm adding movies

922
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:11,880
to my cue.

923
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely a lot of fun.

924
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks guys, a Film by podcast.

925
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,159
Speaker 2: And on that note, don't forget to subscribe to our

926
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,960
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927
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,440
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928
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,239
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929
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 3: Before we wrap this up, I've got one more question

930
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,239
for you. Rank Alien Aliens Terminator T two. Yeah, so

931
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,599
this is this is this is final judgment for podcasts. Okay, ready, yep,

932
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:44,000
Alien Aliens T two, Terminator WHOA really?

933
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: All right?

934
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,559
Speaker 3: Here's how I'm ranking these four movies. Number one Aliens okay,

935
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,039
Number two Terminator two okay, Number three Terminator right, and

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number four Alien Wow? Yeah a distant or distant fourth,

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distant fourth.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call up Ridley Scott and telling you.

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Speaker 3: So many fire up guns and roses, we are out

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of here. Terminator one, Terminator two.

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Speaker 2: H