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Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome to our podcast this week. It

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is the former IVF supermitaweight world champion. It is the

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current WBA Interim Supermit aweight title holder, Caleb Plant. Caleb,

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I'll tell the folks You're going to defend that belt

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against Armando Raceendez. It's the main event of the PBC

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on Prime Video card, who will take place on May

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thirty first at the Mandala Bay in Las Vegas. Welcome

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to the show. Thank you very much for doing this, Caleb, sir,

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thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure to

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talk to you. You know, when I was looking at

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this matchup, Caleb, I thought, I'm looking at your record.

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I know your record, well, I know his record a

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bit was looking at it also on paper, and we

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know fights are not fought on paper. But you you

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have fought at such a much higher level for such

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a consistent period of time compared to your opponent. He

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got knocked out by Elijah Garci in twenty twenty three.

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It's only had the one fight since then, a six

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rounder against a five and two opponent that was earlier

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this year. So when you look at the opponent and

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you assess him, you study for him, What do you

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know about him and how do you approach that type

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of opponent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's moved up to sixty eight and he

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does have him a win there, and you know, this

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is a big moment for him. So I know that

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he's putting a lot of putting a lot into this

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and you know it could be a life changing moment

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for him. So but it's a life changing moment for

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me too, you know, to retain my title here the

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words and still and to you know, I got a

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son on the way this summer, and I mean everything

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for me to bring him in and on a high

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note and him be able to say, you know, Daddy's

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still the champ. So I've been putting a lot into

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this as well, and I got a lot on the line,

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and but I know he's coming with everything. He's guys,

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he's got a good trainer in Manny Roebles. But he's tough,

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but tough enough.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, on the one hand, you're supposed to

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win the fight. I'm not saying he's not going to

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get a great effort and do his damn just to

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take care of his business. But you're the guy the

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a side. You're the main event. You're supposed to win

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the fight and do so. I think most people look

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at it and the odds are pretty wide. On the

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other hand, if you don't, you know, you get a

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lot of criticism. I mean you're used to criticism, obviously,

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but how do you sort of deal with that knowing

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that I'm supposed to do one thing, and even if

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I do it, but I don't do it as well

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as people think. People are gonna, maybe, you know, criticize

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me about it? Do you care? Because even permeate your

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brain at all, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's best to just block out the noise, you know.

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It's not my job to I feel like over the

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over the years, I've gained a lot of fans, you know.

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I feel like I'm in a position, you know. Once

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I feel like I was like no one believed in me,

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not very many people supported me. But over the last

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you know, three years or so, I feel like I'm

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almost one of boxing's most loved you know, and I

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feel the love. But at the same time, I can't

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fight for the fans, you know. I have to listen

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to my team. I have to listen to my coaches,

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and as you well know, box is not a popularity contest.

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And I feel like a lot of fans these days,

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it's like if they don't have the biggest social media following,

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if they maybe haven't heard of the guy, or if

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he's not you know, some A plus superstar, then he's

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a bum. And he's not even supposed to touch you.

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It's just supposed to be like heavy bag work for you.

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And as you said, you know, fights aren't one on paper,

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they're one in the ring. And people try to say

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thinking the same thing about Trevor mccumby, And even though

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I handle that in fashion and I feel like he

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only had a couple of moments, it's like they try

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to make it seem like the same thing with Tever mccomby.

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And so I've been through that with Trevor, and I

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don't need to listen to the fans. I'm gonna go

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in there and do what I do. He's gonna try

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his damns, and but I'm gonna get the job done

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Regardless'm gonna get my hand raised, and I plan on

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a b in fashion. But regardless, no matter what happens,

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we're gonna hear the words in Still.

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Speaker 1: You know you mentioned about now being over the last

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few years, becoming more of a love fighter, less less

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less hate, so to speak. I think I know the

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reason why that is. Why do you think that is? Uh,

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I'll tell you why. I think it is okay, Because

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you're fighting the best guys. You're not Duncan David Benovitez.

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You're not Dunkin Canelo Alas you know, even when you

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fight Canelo, you give a great effort, you win some

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rounds you have you know, you didn't win, but you

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had a hell of a fight. You know, you fought

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you know a lot of quality opponents. You know, you

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went in there and you fought Darrell and you fought

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you know, true acts, I mean championship level fighters consistently.

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Scottigi him too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean coming up that was always

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my goal. I felt like a lot of fighters talk

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about it, but they ain't always about that action, you know.

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Like I have a quote that's been floating around where

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you know, the number one goal is to stay undefeated, right,

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but if that comes at the cost and at the

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price of never facing the best, then what much does

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that O mean?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: And uh, that's coming from a true competitor who hates losing.

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Who hates losing more than he likes winning? And but

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I really want to test my skills against the best.

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And if you want your name in that big book,

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if you want legacy, then you got to fight the best.

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And my dad would always say, is you know, some

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fighters worry about money, some fighters worry about legacy. But

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the legacy fights are the big money fights.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: That's where you get the big money is in the

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legacy fights.

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Speaker 1: So so when you when you look at the card, Okay,

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you're the main event and you're taking on Resendas. We

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know he's in a coming hunger. He wants to grab

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that bell from you and everything else. But we also

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know that part of this event is the fact that

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you have in the co feature Jamal Charlow taking on

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Thomas Lamata, and PBC is not then shy. When they

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announced the fight between you and Zendas and Charlote against Lamada,

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they made a point says, listen, you know, if our

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main guys, meaning yourself and Charlo, are the winners, we're

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gonna make a fight between those two guys as a

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big fight later this year. So how do you sort

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of focus on your opponent? But also know that Charlo

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looms in the future.

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Speaker 2: Just worry about right now, focus on right now. You know,

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the world is always trying to get you to and

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I'm not saying you personally because you're just asking a question,

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but the world is always like, well what about what

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about Charlo? And I feel like if you haven't been

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a high level athlete, you may not understand. And again

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I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Talking to you. Well I'm not a high level athlete, but.

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Speaker 2: You've been around the sport. There you you're a true

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I got the score of the sport, so you understand that,

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like the amount of mental focus that takes regardless of

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who's across from you, you know, And so it's just

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to block out all the noise and focus on one

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flight at a time. I'm sure you've been around boxing

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long enough. This ain't the first card where they put

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one guy's the main event, guys the comaine and the winner.

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You know, they get to face each other.

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Speaker 1: But we know that this fight with you and Charloe

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has been festering for a while. You guys have both

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called each other out. I mean, you're going to be

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around each other in the Mandolai Bay during the fight

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week Uh, you know how much? Again, I know you

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got to take care of your business, but you're also

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a professional, and I know that you're able to focus,

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so you're capable of talking about two things at once.

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How much do you want that fight though? Uh? You

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know down down the road this year. I mean, I

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know you've wanted it for a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I wanted enough that you know, I'm

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looking for the biggest tests and Mangia was busy with Bruno,

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Canelo was busy with skull Egar Berlinga is part of

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the witness protection program. When it comes to me, I

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guess and you know, I've been begging, begging for that fight,

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asking for that fight, and not much interest in it.

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So this was like the fastest way for me to

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get to a big fight that I want. But Charlo

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needed a fight to get busy, get active, and so

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I wanted enough to say, okay, well I'll take one

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of those fights too. If you got to get a

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fight to stay active, then I'll stay active in the

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meantime and me and you could run it later in

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the year. And so this was the fastest way for

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me to get to one of those big fights and

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so I wanted enough to do what I'm doing now.

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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned that in your last fight, you did

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the fight against Trevor McCombe that took place not that

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long ago. Uh, and you know you you you scored

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a good knockout against him, you won the interim belt,

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and I just and that's you're even to offend that

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belt against his I'm always interested to know the perspective

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of the fighters. You've had a real world title, You've

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been in a huge fight for the undisputed title, even

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if they didn't go your way. What does the intern

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don't mean to you? Because a lot of people sort

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of like, you know, it's a means to an end

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to maybe get a real world title shot. Other guys

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maybe it's a big deal for them. Tell me you're

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for me.

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Speaker 2: It's just a means to get to a world title.

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And you know, I feel like I've paid a lot

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of dues in boxing, and I've always been one of

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the first to raise my hand to step on the

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front line against whoever. And so with the opportunity to

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become interim champion, knowing that I could either fight to

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become regular champion or you know, worst case scenario, might

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get elevated to regular and then be a mandatory for

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the supertitle again, whether that's Canelo or whether he vacates

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it or retires and I fight someone else for it.

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So it just puts me a step closer to having

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becoming either a two time world champ by being elevated

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to regular or really you know, becoming a super CHAMPI again,

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you know, me being in the position I'm men so

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the intern built you know, obviously I'm grateful to have

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another strap, but it's all about getting world titles, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Dad and Knello. Obviously he's the un disputed champion.

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He just regained that status recently with his uh win

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against William Skull. Not the most crowd pleasing fight he'll

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you know, he got stripped to the IBF title he

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wanted back. I wonder if you paid attention to that.

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You now actually as the interim champion, you are in

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a position to be potentially his mandatory again. I know,

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I have to believe you'd want that rematch eventually. Who

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knows if he'd want to do it, but it doesn't

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really seem to me. You tell me if you agree

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that Canel frankly hasn't really looked the same since. I

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think he may have reached his peak of his career

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against you, and ever since then, it's you know, he's

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been winning. He lost to be a little but in

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super middleweight way class he's won, but nothing spectacular in

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those performances. What's your take on where he's at as

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the champ of the division.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of those fights, some of those

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fights may be not the best stylistic matchups. I kind

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of figured what happened with the skull fight was going

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to happen because he's a Cuban and I've seen how

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he fights before, and you know, I've heard Canello say like,

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I don't really like facing guys who move a lot.

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I don't know if it's knee problems or obviously he's

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getting known up there in his career as well, and

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he's made a lot of money, and maybe he's only

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at a certain gear you know, he's only able to

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push to a certain gear right now. I'm not sure,

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speak when we fought, uh, you know, for undisputed and

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you know, that was a big accomplishment by him, and

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obviously I was disappointed, but I got right back to

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the drawing board and you know, took that experience with

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me and I didn't want to come back in just

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any fight. I wanted to show the world like I

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belong here. So that's why I wanted to fight, you know,

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two time world champ Anthony Darrell and I put it

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on a great showing and I've been able to take

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all the experience from these big fights into the next one.

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Speaker 1: So uh.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, as far as Canelo, I feel like maybe

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just a bad stylistic matchup. I feel like him and

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Terrence will be a much more back and forth, exciting fight. Yeah,

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the styles match up better.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent agree with you about that. You mentioned earlier,

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By the way, Caleb, that you know you and Jordan

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and your wife have a child on the way, a

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son coming. I know you have a young daughter. Uh.

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I see your social media posts and and uh and

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the stuff you show off about your you and your

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wife and your family, and uh, it's it's a little

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bit different, I guess than when you when you're not married,

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you don't have kids. Uh. And so as you go

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through your career. I wonder is now having the family,

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having one child having another on the way, does it

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in any way change your approach to anything about boxing

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with the way you do, the training camp, the how

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often you want to fight, uh, your mentality going into

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your motivation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well definitely as motivation, you know, just to And

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I've said to another interviews, as camp, we tell our

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kids what to do, but we don't always show them

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first hand. And kids don't listen what we say, they

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listen to what we do. And so just showing my

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kids what hard work looks like firsthand. And you know,

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if you have a dream, even if nobody else believes

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in it, sticking to your guns, if it's in your heart,

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you gotta follow it, you know. And even if you

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fall short, you got to get up. That's yourself off.

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That's no reason to quit. It's a reason to you know,

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get back to work and smooth the edges of your

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game and come back stronger. And I want them to

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be able to see firsthand through my life outside of boxing,

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which I feel like I've shown and also in boxing,

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that it's important to put your best foot forward. And

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you know, if you like I said, if it's in

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your heart, you gotta follow it.

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Speaker 1: And so motivation.

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Speaker 2: With that, and then as far as my approach, I

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feel like I'm really what's the word diligent in my

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training year round strength and conditioning, running, physical therapy, massage therapy.

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I got a nutritionist, team, I got a sports psychologist,

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I have, you know, I really try to leave no

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stone unturned and but I've done that long before Charlie

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got here and stuff like that. So and then as

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far as with Jordan being pregnant, I stay out in

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the casita, so I'm not really bothered with much or

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bothered with anything. And Jordan's a great team player, and

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she's a collegiate or what was a collegiate athlete herself,

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so she understands the discipline and the sacrifice it takes.

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And she doesn't really do anything but make it easier

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on me to where all after is focused on my boxing.

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So I'm a lucky man for that.

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Speaker 1: I would say, sounds like a great setup. But Caleb,

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I appreciate your time today. I wish you the best

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of buck and if everything works out for you when

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for Charlotte can't wait to see you guys do it.

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Up later this year. Moment oh yeah, no doubt