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with the following tweet, CBS News looked into ice Boston claims,
So this is immigration Customs Enforcement, the Boston field office
that had claimed that illegal aliens had been charged with
child rape in Massachusetts and that they have been repeatedly
released from jail with ridiculously low bales. And so c
BS News takes a look at this claim. They're gonna
go fact check it. And so what did CBS News
find that actually, yes, that is happening. That is exactly
what is happening in Boston. For example, a Guatemalan man
charged with three counts of aggravated child rape released on
seventy five hundred dollars bail, and they ignored the ICE
detainer request. A Guatemalan charged with aggravated child rape victim
aged nine or below, released on seventy five hundred dollars bail.
ICE detainer ignored. A Honduran national charged with assault rape
and masked armed robbery released on his own recognizance with
zero dollars bail. ICE detainer ignored. Worcester County had two
illegal inmates. Alien inmates charged with child rape they got
five hundred dollars bails. Another charged with fentanyel trafficking released
on four thousand dollars bond before ICE could even arrive
to get him. Malujin also then quotes Tom Holman, who
announced a massive ICE operation in Boston and the surrounding
areas that yielded three hundred seventy arrests of illegal aliens,
a majority of whom were criminals, including murderers, drug traffickers,
and child sexual predators. Holman said, quote Governor Healey and
Mayor Wu of Boston should be ashamed of supporting sanctuary policies.
Releasing public safety threats back into the public rather than
working with ICE at the jails puts the public at
greater risk. Again, this is not new for these types
of sanctuary Democrat elected officials. They have been doing this
for a decade at least. In fact, if I go
back to a story also from twenty nineteen, this appeared
at WCNC television. This was on their website with the
headline our sheriffs required to hold undocumented immigrants for ICE.
And in this story again from now six years ago,
here's what Gary McFadden, Mecklenburg County Sheriff, Gary not my
fault McFadden. Here's what he said. Quote. This was a
year after he had won election. Okay, so not even
a year. Actually, he had won in November of twenty eighteen,
and now this is an article in August of twenty nineteen,
so he's only been in the office for like nine months.
And here's what he said in a statement. Quote, I
was elected with a clear mandate to stop honoring voluntary
ice detainers and to end the two eighty seven g program.
He has made his position very clear. This is not
going to stop unless somebody makes him. The state legislature
is trying, and I suspect I have no information about this.
I'm just speculating wildly into irresponsibly here. But I suspect
the local Democrats who could actually hold him accountable, are
hoping that the legislature does something to make him follow
the law, to make him honor the request to take
this issue off the front page. I think that's the play,
because nobody is talking about this. None of these elected
Democrats are ever asked about this. They never come out
and say this stuff. They never weigh in on whether
Gary McFadden is fit for the role. As to their credit,
the Charlotte Observer editorial board has even done. Even the
Observer editorial staff understands what this guy is doing in
so many different facets of the gig. I'm sure they
agree with him actually on the immigration non cooperation, I
have no doubt about that. But I think their concerns
are more about the maladministration of the jail and his
terrible leadership, if you can even call it that. Of
the staff. You're seeing lots of turnover, and you know,
lawsuits and stuff, and the way he treats employees and
yelling and screaming at people, using racial slurs against them.
So like they have all of these other as do I,
by the way, I share those concerns too. I don't
think the observer if he didn't have any of the
maladministration stuff going on, I think they would be perfectly
fine to keep endorsing him if it was just the
immigration problem. But there are many different facets of this
guy's tenure that warrant a review, if not the bringing
up on the charge of maladministration, because that's the Let
me see here, I have it here, someplace in this stack.
Where is it in the stack of stuff?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: It is state law on sixteen. Any sheriff or police
officer shall be removed from office by the judge of
the Superior Court for the following causes. You have to
have charges in writing for the following causes. Number one
wilful or habitual neglect or refusal to perform the duties
of his office. Number two wilful misconduct or maladministration in office.
And my opinion is that gary not my fault. McFadden
checks that box. Corruption, extortion, conviction of a felony or
intoxication are the other reasons to remove. You can also
in one eight seventeen the complaint or petition shall be ent,
so you can file a petition a complaint in the
name of the state of North Carolina, and may be
filed upon the relation of any five qualified electors. Those
are voters of the county in which the person charged
as an officer upon the approval of the County Attorney
of such county, or the district attorney of the district,
or by any such officer upon his own motion, so
he could do it to himself. So the county, the
Mecklenberg County Attorney, or the district attorney, or the judge
of the Superior court all have the ability to do
something about this, and they won't. That's Democrat privilege, by
the way. I think at this point we are relying
on the state legislature to do something about this out
of control sheriff here. All right, if you're listening to
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welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Pete.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Hey, I'm well what's going on?
Speaker 2: Something that comes to mind was this supposed sheriff because
I'm being pleasant saying that, what about charging him with
aiding and a betting?
Speaker 1: I have heard people suggest this. I am you know,
I'm not a I'm not a lawyer. I mean I
have been watching a lot of Lincoln Lawyer and stuff,
but I don't. I'm not. I don't know whether you
whether he would have some sort of immunity. You know
that some that exists for some government officials. So I
don't know, but I have heard, like I've got a
message from Kevin who asks the same thing. Harboring makes
it an offense for any person who knowing or in
reckless disregard to the fact that an alien has come to, entered,
or remains in the US, and violation of the law
conceals harbors or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal,
harbor or shield from detection such alien in any place,
including any building or any means of transportation. So it
seems like he could be charged with harboring.
Speaker 2: And it's one of those where until we put our
foot down and actually start holding people accountable, this is
going to continue.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and this is what Neil Howe talked about
in the Fourth Turning when in the Final Turning, the
when you have when you're in the crisis phase and
they predicted you know, these four events back in nineteen
ninety seven, and all four of them came to pass.
And the final one is nullification. And we have seen
this kind of activity on different things, like most recently
with the immigration stuff and the Joe Biden regime, right
where he refused to enforce immigration law and states were
demanding that he do so they tried to do enforcement
activities in Texas along the river and then they, you know,
the federal government sued in order to get Texas to
stop enforcing law. Right when you have when you have
this this kind of stuff happening, it is it is
a nullification attempt, and that's what McFadden is doing. And
so what happens is the the Feds versus the local
they batch it up against one another and then they
can't back down, and then you end up in this
brinksmanship mode right where they keep you know, the Feds
keep asserting control and dominance and you have to do this,
and then the locals are like no, and whether that's
the local or the state whatever, And that's that's how
these things then rise to the crisis level. And I
suspect that's where we're headed.
Speaker 2: True. The other thing I look at is, and you
know that I'm real big about hitting people in the wallet.
If you have a sanctuary city or a sanctuary state
and they start losing funding I promise you, you've got
their attention.
Speaker 1: Right, And so the state lawmakers have been trying to
rein in McFadden, but he keeps using these loopholes, and
it's all based on the fact that the illegal immigration
stuff is civil, it's administrative, and so he keeps relying
on that. I don't know a way that the state
legislature is going to actually be able to make it
anything other than what it is at the federal level.
So they're I mean, they're they're trying now to force
him to comply with the detainer requests because that's what
he's refusing to do. And if they can pass a
law and they can make him do so, then maybe
that solves this issue. But otherwise, I don't know. I
don't know how you get him to comply. When he refuses,
you got to vote him out. And I don't know
if the Democrats are interested in doing so, because it's
such a big part of their Democrat base pro illegal immigration, and.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not sure if there's enough there where
you could just walk in and arrest him. I promise you,
if he going to go somewhere he's at handcuffs, he
will be embarrassed to no end from it. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think he I don't think he knows. I
don't think he is psychologically built to be embarrassed. I
really don't. I don't think he has that chip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark, the way that you've described him, I don't
think he does either.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, he'll just be a martyr. He's the victim, right,
I'm the hero and the victim. He's never the villain.
And he will reverse the victim and offender. And so
he's the one that's being harmed and he's just trying
to look out for the people and all of this,
and so he'll just do that same thing. I have
no doubt about that. I don't think he's capable of
being embarrassed. But it will stop him, Like if you, like,
if you charge him with harboring or obstruction or something
like that, you throw, like you go after him criminally,
then I mean it will stop him at least temporarily
from engaging in this kind of behavior at least, So, Kirk,
I appreciate the call, buddy, Thank ye sir, you too,
Mark says. Law enforcement agencies small to large used to
follow the law and the constitution not well, I don't
know about all cases. They have been known, certain people
and agencies have been known to bend the law and constitution.
Right now, they just follow political ideologies. When does law
become the primary decider and motivator for all of law
enforcement again or will it? Well, so, Mark, I agree
with the sentiment that's the goal, right, that's what we
should be striving for. But you never get there. You'll
never get because that's that would be perfection. And these
are all man made constructs, and these are all human
beings that are you know, working inside of these systems,
and so you're always going to have corruption, You're always
going to have people bending the rules, you know, to
get what they want. So perfection is never one of
your utopia, is not one of the options available to us.
Now that being said, it should be the goal, right,
that should be the thing that we strive for, the
thing that we seek to attain. And McFadden dresses up
his non cooperation and his opposition to these laws, he
dresses them up as some sort of constitutionally supported philosophical position.
But as I went over earlier, the constitutional experts say
he's not correct, and he's not a constitutional expert. This
was a political position he adopted in order to run
and win in the race for sheriff. And that's why
he won, and that's why he continues to not cooperate
with Ice. Refuse. I mean, think about that. All he
has to do is make a phone call. That's what
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tweet from old guy get off my lawn, who says,
while it is frustrating, nicely done. While it is frustrating
to hear about Gary, not my fault, McFadden's nonsense. If
we look on the bright side, it is refreshing. An
elected leader is living up to their campaign promises. That's
it's a very rare thing. His constituents are getting exactly
what they voted for. Right, he promised not to cooperate
with ICE, and so he's not, so he is doing
exactly what he campaigned on. But he's also mad that
people are saying he's not cooperating with ICE, as if
he is. He's I'm totally cooperating with ICE, even though
you're not, and you said you wouldn't and you immediately
stopped cooperating when you got elected. Anyway, Bain, Welcome to
the program.
Speaker 3: Hello Bane, Hey, Pete, Hey, I saw the podcast on
the fourth turning nullification phase. This is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 3: Listen, can a private individual or a company create a
jail that ICE could use or does that have to
go through the sheriff's department?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you are, you talking about detaining
illegal aliens, right, So you're right. So the the issue
is that they are arrested for you know, an illegal
alien breaks a law and gets themselves arrested. That's how
they ended up at the jail. And that would not
be you couldn't do like, you couldn't do a private
jail unless you then create like a structure for private
jails and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Ice did not arrest these people.
Speaker 1: Correct, Charlotte Mecklenberg police did, or one of the towns did,
or something like they got popped for duy, domestic violence
or something. They did something and got arrested, and when
brought to the jail, they were then identified as somebody
who may not be in the country legally. Once that happened,
that the sheriff now is required to inform Ice because
Gary wasn't doing that originally either. They wouldn't even tell
Ice about who was in the jail and that sort
of thing, and so now they have to tell Ice
that we got these guys. And so then ICE says, hey,
you got this guy in your jail. They're a criminal,
but they're also an illegal alien. They got these you know,
criminal charges against them, but they can bail out under
the normal criminal process. So we're asking you to hold them,
give us forty eight hours, and we will come at
them before you let them go, and give us a
call when when they've bailed out. Let us know when
they've bailed out. And McFadden doesn't do that. He does
not want to make the phone call to tell Ice
that these guys are getting out, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't understand the sequence. So that was good that you
explained that. That's real good. Would it be of any
value to have an ICE agent really close by the jail?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this has been a problem for ICE for
decades that they haven't had, like they didn't have an
immigration court in Charlotte. I think we do now. But
this has always been a problem because as in this
when you open up the borders, right and you allow
the in migration of millions of people through asylum processes
and all that, you overwhelm the system. And so they're
trying now to do enforcement actions on millions of people.
That's why they're choosing the criminals first. They're targeting the
worst people first, right, And that's so it's a lack
of resources that they've got to staff somebody at the
jail all the time. And that was the whole point
of the two eighty seven G program. It was to
essentially deputize the deputies as immigration enforcement and so they
could get access to the databases, they could run people's
names through this stuff, and then they could act on
behalf of ICE. That was the whole point of creating
the two eity seven G program At the federal level,
which we then implemented under Sheriff Jim Pendograph. We kept
it through Chip Bailey, through Irwin Carmichael, and it was
only McFadden who came in and scrapped the two eity
seven G program. So and so, yeah, you're they're blinding
themselves to who's in the jail. They don't want to know,
and they don't want to participate in any kind of
immigration enforcement effort in the local jail.
Speaker 3: It's sad, but it makes you one who's going to
have to die or whose child's going to have to
be abducted for something to change.
Speaker 1: Well, and as I understand, I'm trying to remember which
bill it was because there's been a bunch of them,
but I think it's the House Bill three sixteen that
would allow for lawsuits against these public officials and jurisdictions
if illegal alien criminals are released and then go and
victimize people. I think they are allowed you, victims, families
and victims are allowed to sue these officials under this legislation.
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, Well, thank you for laying them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate the call. Bane. Yeah, I think it was.
I'd have to go back and read it. It's been
a couple of weeks since I've read through it, but
I think that's that was part of one of the bills,
because there's a Senate bill in Raleigh. There's a House
bill in Raleigh. Yeah, like until until people start paying
a personal price for their policies, for their politics like this,
I don't know how it changes. McFadden put out a
statement I mentioned this last hour. The top one third
of this press release is like a glamour shot of him.
I've never seen anything like it, local law enforcement, you know,
putting his big picture up on this press release. This
statement where he attacks the ICE Atlanta chief of staff,
the Atlanta office chief of staff, who did an interview
apparently with the local news outlet. He says, listen to this.
Despite my repeated attempts to foster cooperation, see he's the victim.
ICE has yet to engage in any meaningful dialogue with
me or other local sheriffs who are facing similar circumstances.
I have emailed and called the ICE ro Atlanta office.
No Atlantic office, it's Atlanta, which might be the problem. Actually,
now I think about it, maybe you're calling the wrong office.
There's an Atlanta office anyway. He says he has called
multiple times asking the agency to provide the names of
their most recent arrests in Charlotte and to clarify their
intentions regarding undocumented individuals in our custody. They don't have
to tell you that, dude, what are you talking about?
What are you talking about? First off, the people that
they have arrested, that they picked back up after you
let out, you already have their names. They don't report
to you, Gary, ICE does not report to you. Oh,
give me those names. And then what are your intentions
with them? Their intention is to deport them, Gary, They're
looking to get them out of the country. That's the
intention of going out and picking these people up with
criminal records that are in the country illegally. They're going
to deport them. That's the intention. I don't know why
you need a list of names for any of this. Also,
far be it for me to assume the level of
trust that ICE might have with you. But I'm going
to go out on a limb and say it sucks.
They don't trust you at all. Why would they give
you names of people? Why would they give you names
of people when then you could turn around and put
out another glamour shot press release with those names, to
let everybody know, to let these people know that Ice
is looking for them, which they probably already do know.
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me do the money before I forget. Let's pay this off,
because now we've got another another possible explanation that Gary
is trotting out. Let's see where did I put it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Did I already? I hope it impact it away?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Here it is. Here it is. He says, this is
from the WCCB Charlotte article. I sent an email to
ICE's Atlanta field office regarding the financial burden the detainer's
place on taxpayers and the importance of informing the sheriff's
office of their true intentions on whether they are going
to pick up these undocumented immigrants or seek federal criminal charges.
For every person that we are holding is three hundred
and ninety eight dollars to the taxpayers of Mecklenburg County
estimate as of December first, sixty eight thousand dollars in
taxpayer money. He said. Oh, and then there's a quote
in the same article from Hector Vaka, Immigrant Justice director
at Action and Seed it's a leftist organization, who said, quote,
being in this country is non act a criminal offense.
Being undocumented in the country is an administrative offense. Right,
That's the philosophy that McFadden is operating under. And so
now he's citing the cost. So I don't want to
honor these detainers because you say, hey, hold them for
forty eight hours. Now I have to incur the cost
of keeping this resident, don't call them inmates, this resident
at the jail, and now that's costing the taxpayers money.
So he just wants to So he's it's budgetary, don't
you see. It's a budgetary thing. And so when he's
talking about reaching out to the Atlanta Field office to
try to have a dialogue about improving cooperation, what he's
talking about is pay me money. Give me money. That's
what he's demanding. Give me money, because he's saying that
ICE is asking him to hold the these people, but
they're not paying for the bed space. And by the way,
I have heard this about the two eighty seven G program,
which was why some sheriff's offices got rid of it,
not for ideological purposes, but because they were incurring the
cost when it initially started two eighty seven G. If
you signed up, you got paid, the jails got paid
for housing the illegal aliens until ICE could deport them.
And then somewhere along the line that part went away.
But McFadden has been opposed to twoity seven G because
he doesn't want people being deported because he doesn't think
that's how you addressed the illegal immigration problem. He has
said this in multiple interviews and newscasts or news articles
and in press statements. So I don't believe him. I
don't believe that he's operating in good faith on these arguments.
He's not actually trying to solve the problem. He's trying
to not enforce immigration law in our state, in our county.
Paul says, Pete can ICE not utilize AI technology to
scan every town's arrest records to proactively pick up the
criminals to circumvent sheriffs refusing to pick up the phone.
So ICE has to know. ICE is a federal agency.
They have to know when somebody is getting bailed out.
And that is a state issue, right because these people
are arrested on state criminal charges. They're not picked up
by the Feds. They're picked up by Charlie Maclurg police
or something. And that's why the ICE needs the cooperation
from the state level law enforcement because the courts they're
running through their normal criminal process and so if somebody
comes up with the bail money, they can bail out
and then they walk out the and that's why ICE
is saying, Hey, first, let us know if you encounter
somebody who is illegal in your jail, and then we
can run their names through find out if there is
a reason to deport them for you know, violent offenses
and such, and then we're going to put a detainer
request on them and we're asking you to hold on
to them. And then if they bail out, please let
us know that they're bailing out so we can come
get them. And at that point it's out of the
sheriff's hands. It should be right. If ICE doesn't come
and get them, then ICE let them go. But the
sheriff isn't even calling, so why would you not call? See,
this is the thing, like you can have this separate
issue of the funding component. That's fine, but are you
trying are you leveraging the phone call the lack of
phone call in order to extract the money, because all
you're doing is putting members of the community at risk. Again,
these are criminals. These are people who have been charged
with violent face and in some cases have rap sheets
to let me see how, says Pete, I am one
hundred percent with you, But here is why he can
keep from a lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Qualified immunity is a legal rule that protects government workers
like police from being sued personally for violating constitutional rights.
This rule is in place to ensure officials can do
their jobs without fear of lawsuits. It balances right, So
the qualified immunity. And this is a debate that usually
focuses around like police shootings and stuff. This usually comes
up the qualified immunity, which also I would argue then
that protects them, That protects Sheriff McFadden from any kind
of litigation if he's cooperating with Ice. Like just the
arguments he has been making do not hold water. They
are not being made in good faith. He's just it's
it's sort of like a it's a it's a spaghetti test, right,
You're just throwing it all up on the wall and
see how much of it sticks. That's it. He's just
throwing every argument boom boom boom, all these different arguments
up there, and hopefully one of them will convince you.
Seth says Pete. How long until not my fault McFadden
is responsible for a murder like Lake and Riley from
letting out one of these rapists or murderers. Will it
be his fault, then no, seth, it will never be
his fault because it's never his fault. He's not my fault. McFadden.
Remember this is the guy who when he retired out
of the Charlotte Meckelburg Police Department to go be sheriff,
they found a whole bunch of stuff from his homicide
cases at his desk, Like he had like mementos and
stuff from these homicide cases. That wasn't his fault. Either
he had permission to hold onto them from the family
members or something like. So. I don't know if Ice
can arrest him. I don't know if the federal government
can try and drop the hammer on him. But if
the state can't do it and the Feds can't do it,
and nobody locally will do it, then we're just going
to keep getting more of the same here, all right.
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