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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks again

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is off to a great start as well. I hope

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this year, like I said in the last show, was

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much better than last year was, which that wouldn't take

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too much doing because last year wasn't all that great

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for all lot of us. But anyway, moving forward, Before

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I bring on tonight's guest, I just wanted to let

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you know that I'm gonna hear a special Saturday night

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live stream episode of the show tomorrow night, gonna bring

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Cam back on. Cam reached out to me, I guess

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what two weeks ago or so, maybe three, to let

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me know about all the updates he had for me.

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A lot has happened since we spoke last and yeah,

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he's gonna come on tomorrow night to bring you all

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up to speed on everything that he's been through. And yeah,

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he's been through a lot, to say the least. So Yeah,

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Mark calllendars, don't forget tomorrow night, nine pm Eastern time.

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He'll be back to do that. So, like I said,

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thanks as always for listening. But for tonight's show, tonight's

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guest Todd Tidwell, he's going to talk about some experiences

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he had as a kid. Most of his experiences weren't

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with dog men worth a dog man, I should say,

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most of them were with a sasquatch or with sasquatch plural.

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I should say, maybe it was a good thing that

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he had those sasquatch encounters before he had his dog

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made an encounter. But instead of putting words into us mouth,

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let's bring him in here and find out. Todd, thanks

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so much for joining us. Hi, Well, we really appreciate

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you coming on and spending the night with us. We

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really do. Todd, please give us a brief file on yourself.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in East Sacramento County, California, about forty

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five minutes from the Gold Country. That's the Foothills. I

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was in the Lower Basin, growing up in the San

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Juaquin Valley. I have a twin brother and two older sisters,

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and a mom and dad and we grew up on

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about thirteen acres. The property's adjacent to us were larger

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fifty acres.

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Speaker 3: Or more, and it was it was a good life.

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Speaker 2: It sounds to me like it was a good life.

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Would you say that your crypted encounters tainted your childhood

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at least to a certain degree, or would you say

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that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I had pretty much repressed the events

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that had happened until I was in my late twenties,

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and then once in a while I remember some of

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the instances that happened, and then they would get stored

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away back in the back of my brain somewhere. And

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it's only now that I'm older, I'm much older, that

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they're on my mind always.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can understand why they would be. The reason

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why I asked you. That is, for most people, when

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they're asked what the worst thing they had to go

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through and deal with as a kid was, most of

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the I will tell you losing a parent, or for

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some it was having a bike stolen or something simple

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like that. Of course, losing appearance not in that category,

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but having a bike stolen that's pretty lightweight compared to

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other things that could happen. When you're a kid. But

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for you, if someone asked you that question, you could

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tell them that you were a chased home in the

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middle of the night by a dog man in the

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wee hours on a lonely road. I mean, that is

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just something that no kid should ever have to deal with.

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That's horrible, it really is. So that's why I was

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asking if you you think your encounters tainted your childhood

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at least to a certain degree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to a certain degree. I didn't that, but you know,

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I you know, I got through. I got through it

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and pretty much unscathed, except for the terror that I experienced.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can only imagine the tear you experienced. I

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mean that is rough, especially at that age. Well, talking

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about your childhood. In seventy nine, you had your first

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cryptid sighting. But it wasn't a dog man. It was

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a sasquatch. Please tell us what happened that day.

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Speaker 1: It was a late spring of seventy nine and I

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was around ten years old best I can remember, and.

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Speaker 3: My brother and I were playing.

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Speaker 1: Ball with just a ball in bat out in the

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back pasture, and we had one of our friends with us.

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Speaker 1: Years older and while we're practicing baseball, we stirred up

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a pheasant and my older friend was the one at bat,

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and he actually threw the baseball bat in the direction

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of the pheasant and downed it. And we were quite excited,

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and we're cheering and jeering pretty loudly, and all of

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a sudden, on our about ten acres something jumped up

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to its feet and started running down the fence line,

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and my brother and I were like, what is that?

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we thought it was human. When we asked our older friend,

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what is that, and he replied casually, Oh, that's a

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wild man. And my brother and I were like, wild man,

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What the heck's a wild man? And I watched this

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thing running down the fence line and it wasn't moving

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up and down like you would think a person would run.

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It kind of seemed like it was riding a bicycle

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the fluid motion it was.

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Speaker 3: Having, you know.

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Speaker 1: And my dad showed up from work shortly after, and

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you could still see this wild man in the distance

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about fifty acres away, and we motioned to our dad.

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Dad come here, come here. Look, it's a wild man.

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older friend, uh, and they like were talking to each other, and.

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Speaker 3: My dad didn't say anything else.

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Speaker 1: About it, And then our attention got back to the

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down pheasant that that happened about, and meant before.

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Speaker 2: That, Wow, Todd, that's some pretty lethal aim. If he

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was able to throw that bat and hit that pheasant,

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how close was he to it?

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, you know, pheasant, he can get right up

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on him before they before they'll scare, you know, and

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make a run for it. He'd probably we'd probably been

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on top of it during the whole duration of our

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baseball game before it came to a really strange conclude ending.

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Speaker 2: See Okay, yeah he was that close then that would

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definitely explain a lot. Did your dad put in to

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effect certain rules after that experience, after he saw that

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wild man off in the distance.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if he knew the family that

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what exactly it was, but I know that he was

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concerned when he heard the word man. You know, he

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thought somebody might have been on our property that shouldn't

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have been there. There are a whole lot of no

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trespassing signs in the area where I grew up, as

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far as curfews, we had to be home at dinner time.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm glad you're still able to go out

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and do all the things you normally did then. And

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it sounds like it didn't traumatize you. It sounds like

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you're still interested in going out and joining yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's hard to keep kids down, especially when

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you have all that acred to play on.

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Speaker 2: Well, normally that's the case, but when most kids see

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a sasquatch, then yeah, that tends to change things. I'm

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just glad that it didn't affect you that way. Thank

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goodness for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, where you know, we were so busy doing other things,

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you know, I'm sure we finally soon forgot about the

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whole incident. Whether we're playing soccer or baseball or fishing.

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sure the memory of that soon faded had we got

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active doing other things.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the great things about growing up

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in an environment like that, You can go out and

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fish and do things out in the outdoors. So yeah,

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that's one of the reasons why I think that's about

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the best way to grow up. All right, Todd, please

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tell us about your dog meting encounter. Now give us

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every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 3: Okay, my dog.

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Speaker 1: That experience was in spring of nineteen eighty two, and

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I was thirteen years old, and some of the kids

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in school that day, we're talking about one of their

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parents was going to be out of town or both

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of their parents were going to be out of town

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on a I guess a vacation, and so it gave

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us some of us an opportunity to go to the

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friend's house where there was going to be no adult supervision.

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when I was young growing. So I told him i'd

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be there, and so early that evening, I pulled my

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bike out of the barn and aired up the tires

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and staged it by my window where I was going

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to crawl out of that night, and when my parents

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and everybody was asleep in my house, I was going

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to sneak out and go to my friends whose parents

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were out of town. And uh I did. I did

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just that. Around midnight, I creeped out I crawled out

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my window rather and headed in the direction where my

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friend lived, and there was about four miles up the road,

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and about halfway on the way there, I was hearing

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some real, real peculiar sounds, like like some screams and

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some some uh, just noises that I I didn't normally

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in bed usually except for this one night.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't let that deter me. So I'm riding

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Speaker 1: And about halfway there, my bicycle tires went flat. The

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air had come out of them, and uh again, that

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Speaker 3: And when I finally got there.

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Speaker 1: We just, you know, we're just we're having fun without

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any adult supervision. And that was kind of a kick

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that I've ever done anything like that. So as things

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being flat, I was gonna be riding. One of the

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terms is called is rim riding, and that's where you're

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riding with no air in your tires and then you're

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Speaker 3: Your rims of your bicycle. So I started heading.

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Speaker 1: Back to my house around three am, and about three

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quarters of the way there, I had to go up

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this incline and then down.

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Speaker 3: This hill, this pretty steep hill.

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Speaker 1: And as I was starting to descend down this hill,

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left of me, there's a creek in a small bridge.

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saw three objects standing like in a little huddle, it

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seemed like. And and I was making a racket too

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on these rims on that asphalt road, and I'm sure

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the noise got their attention, and they at at the

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same time, all three of these objects that were standing

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up looked over in my direction, and I thought, Okay,

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I wasn't that concerned at first because I wasn't sure

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exactly what it was. I thought maybe it could have

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been maybe some farmers, because the farmers in our area

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wake up pretty early, especially to dairy farmers. Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then as I started.

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Speaker 1: To send down the hill even more, two of the

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objects ran in the direction I was riding my bike,

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and then once stayed there, stationed but focused at me, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, intent intentively.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: When the two objects ran in my direction, in the direction.

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Speaker 1: I was heading, Uh, they cat what I thought was

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change is they cast out a two long shadows that

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Speaker 3: You know, there was a partial moon that night, and but.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't too after that, I wasn't too concerned about

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Speaker 3: I was made mostly concerned about the one.

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Speaker 1: That stayed that was intentively uh, looking in my direction,

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But I knew that this thing was going to head

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me off so called at the path. So all I

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could say to do was stop my bicycle and wait

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for this collisions. You know, almost is what I was thinking.

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We were going to come to ends, you know, And

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you gotta you gotta think about this. Okay, I'm on

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the shoulder of the road and on the other side

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of the road there was a ditch and then a fence. Okay,

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this creature, now that I'm thinking this is some kind

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of creature, came right up to it to approach that fence,

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that fence line, and all I could think of to

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do was take my two index fingers and make a

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cross out of them, okay, and start reciting the Lord's Prayer,

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because I thought I was a goner. And as soon

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as I did that, this creature, which now was close

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enough for me to see what it actually was. It

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looked like a huge werewold.

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Speaker 3: Okay. It's head was like three feet wide.

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Speaker 1: I had a snout, it had a harry chess, you know,

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like like a dog would have, and it had these

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arms that weren't that big, but they were arms okay.

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Speaker 3: And teeth, oh my gosh. The muzzle was just full

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of teeth.

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Speaker 1: And a few of them were really sharp, a nine

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looking okay from the top and bottom bridge.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm.

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Speaker 1: Standing there making across out of my two index fingers,

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saying the Lord's prairie, and it stopped it in its tracks.

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It's and it was so upset with me when it

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was screaming at me. I was so close that I

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was getting spit on my face from this creature's mouth,

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and not not worrying about where it was, I just

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started peddling, peddling again in the direction of my house,

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and you know, you would.

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Speaker 3: Think that I would be totally terrified. I was totally terrified,

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but when I got.

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Speaker 1: Home and thought about what had just happened, I felt

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like I defeated.

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Speaker 3: Something that was surely going to kill me.

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Speaker 1: So I waited till dawn before I went on to

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my property because of these two shadow figures that were

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going in the direction that I was. And I saw

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these two shadow figures go into my backyard.

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Speaker 3: That's why I.

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Speaker 1: Waited till dawn before I proceeded onto my property. And

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once the que started getting bright enough, I went down

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my driveway, parked my bike into the bushes along near

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our garage, and I crawled back through my window. And

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at about six thirty maybe seven am, my brother came into.

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Speaker 3: My room and he has to be where have you been,

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you know?

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Speaker 1: And I told him exactly what had happened the night before,

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and I told him about the werewolf, and he kind

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of rolled his eyes, and then he told me, you'd

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better be going to school today. And I told him

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that after what had happened to me last night and

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me being up all night.

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Speaker 3: There's no way I'm going to school today.

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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't call it a luxury, But my parents

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would leave for work before I would go and catch

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the bus, so I knew that, and that's how I

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decided how I wasn't going to go to school that day.

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And that was my dog experience. But you know, I

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did feel like I had somehow defeated this thing, you know,

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with my religious police at the time, and that's my

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dog man experience.

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Speaker 2: Consider how it responded when you revoked it, rebuked it,

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I should say, do you think that means that it

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was definitely a demonic entity or something else?

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Speaker 3: It had to have been.

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Speaker 1: It had to have been, because it's when I did

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that it stopped it in its tracks, and the anger

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and theory that it had that it seemed like that

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it couldn't approach any closer, you know, And I chalked

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it up to doing.

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Speaker 3: You know, and believing in my beliefs and religion that

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got me through it.

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Speaker 2: Were there any other points in that experience where it

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was close enough to grab you but didn't before you.

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Speaker 1: Because I was about maybe fifteen feet from where it was,

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It couldn't, really, it wasn't. The arms weren't long enough

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to reach out and grab me. And you know, I

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I guess the term rebuked it, you know, and I

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just knew at that time that I had stopped it

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in its tracks and it wasn't going to proceed any further.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness you did that. I'm wondering though most kids,

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after having experience like that that was so traumatic, they

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wouldn't even give a second thought ever going outside again

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to play. But you did. You were still able to

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go out and play in do normal things that kids

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would do. What do you think it is about your

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makeup that enabled you to do that, to handle that

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experience so well?

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Speaker 3: I think that I had repressed the memory.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you go through any kind of trauma

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like that a lot of times and even in my

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case that you you just repress the memory. And also too,

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I had a lot of things going on, even at

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that early age.

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Speaker 3: You know, baseball.

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Speaker 1: Practice, you know, school exams, you know, a girlfriend or two.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was other things on my mind after that,

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you know, encounter that I thought, probably.

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Speaker 1: At the time, were more important than recalling that that experience.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can appreciate the fact you had all that

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going on, But even though you did have all those

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things going on, the fact that you're still able to

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go out and be business as usual as a kid.

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I mean that shows you have a lot of sand.

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Most kids, even if they had all those things going on,

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would just be mortified. They just wouldn't even give a

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second thought ever going back outside to play. But you did,

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and thank goodness, you dealt with it so well. You

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deserve a lot of credit for that. You really do.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I have dealt with it that

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well or you know, because if in fact I had

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repressed the experience, then I wouldn't have even thought about

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it at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I can appreciate that, but I mean, most

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people wouldn't have been able to repress it and still

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be able to live their lives the way they wanted to.

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But whatever you needed to do to be able to

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move forward, you did so. Yeah, thank goodness for that. Now,

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when you said it was about fifteen feet from you

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when you rebuked it, it was so close that you

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said blue spit on you. What was it doing with

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its arms?

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Speaker 1: They were just they were docile, you know, there wasn't

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much of any movement at all. You know, I was

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more concerned about its mouth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why you were more concerned about

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its mouth. How good of a look did you get

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at its teeth?

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Speaker 3: I got a real good look at its teeth. There

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was almost like it was in three D.

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Speaker 1: You know, the big snout, the big nose, and then

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huge canine and the back teeth.

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Speaker 3: You know, they were all there.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure they were. Were you able to see

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if it had one row of teeth or two?

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Speaker 3: It had definitely had two rows of teeth and a

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big tongue.

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Speaker 2: Wow. That must have really freaked you out and understand.

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So was there anything unusual about the spacing of its teeth?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, all I can remember was that they

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were large, really large. The top row you could see

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like the uh, the inside, the insiders, and then these

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huge like cane I.

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Speaker 3: T I see.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I asked that is some of my

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witnesses report seeing teeth that look fairly similar to just

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normal canine teeth, while others say that the teeth looked

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like what you'd see in the shark's mouth.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, or an alligator yeah.

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Speaker 2: Or an alligator yeah. So that's why I asked that.

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I was just wondering about that before we move on.

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I just want to thank Gabriel Hawkins for your donation.

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I really appreciated Gabriel. Thank you so much. Moving forward,

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their Todd, can you think of anything that you might

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have done that night on that ride home that might

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have triggered the dog men to come after you?

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Speaker 1: Just that I might have interrupted what was going on

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along that creek with a small bridge that went across it,

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that I had interrupted them, all right, the dog man

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which I was referring it to, were wolf and the

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two other of the two other I don't know what

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they were today.

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Speaker 3: I just know that they were casting really long shadows.

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Speaker 1: But I definitely interrupted them with the sounds of my

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bike riding on the flat tires.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was making a racket.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what they were doing in the woods there

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when you came by. I don't think that anything you

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did triggered them, but then again I wasn't there to know,

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so yeah, maybe there was something that you did to

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set them off. But thank goodness, you rebuked that dog

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me in and the experience ended the way it did.

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I just hate the fact, like I said, you had

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to go all this. I mean, no kids should have

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to deal with that. No adult should. So that's horrible,

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it really is. You said your friend lived about four

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miles from you. Was it remote the whole way there

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or did you have to go through developed areas?

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Speaker 3: Now, it was pretty whiral, and there was a property like.

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Speaker 1: Every ten sometimes twenty acres, so that's roughly an eighth

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of a mile to a quarter mile in between.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it was pretty remote. Then when

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all this was going on, I know you had a

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lot on your mind, but can you remember, by chance

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if all the ambient noises stopped or not.

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Speaker 1: Oh when this where Woll screamed at me, I had

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lost my hearing. It was so loud. So after it

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had screamed at me, all I could hear was ringing

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in my ear, and you know, I was all I

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could think.

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Speaker 3: I was great. Now I'm going to have.

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Speaker 1: To tell my dad where I was last night and

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why my hearing's gone.

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Speaker 2: Did it take long for that hearing to come back?

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Speaker 1: No, it came back. As soon as I got to

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my property and was waiting for the dawn. I slowly

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started to get my hearing back.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank goodness, which was.

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Speaker 3: A relief for me, because no harm, no foul, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness, that would have caused problems if it didn't.

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Did you ever get a good enough look at its

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back to see if it had a tail or not?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see a tail. I could see a tail.

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Even though I had a front of you. I could

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see its tail. It would have been able to hit

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on my right.

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Speaker 3: And it was a really big tail, really.

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Speaker 1: Big like a husky would have a husky dog, but

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way bigger, but fluffy like that.

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Speaker 2: I see. Well, it sounds like you did a really

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good job noticing details on this dog man. Most people

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would have shut down and they would have been doing

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good to know their own name. But you took in

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a lot, which is admirable. That's impressive. How about its claws?

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What kind of claws did it have?

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Speaker 1: They had huge dog hair like dog hands with big

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nails by claw, but the arms weren't very long at all.

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Speaker 2: From the way you describe it. Oh, I'm sorry, please continue.

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Speaker 3: Didn't extend it forward much.

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Speaker 2: From the way you describe the claws. Do they have

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any hooks to them, kind of like a black bear's

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claws where it looked like they were made for climbing

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trees or were they street or.

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Speaker 3: They were curved.

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Speaker 1: They had some curve to them, and it even had

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like the dew claw, which would be like if I

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were to take my hands and put them out, they

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would be the clause would be like where my thumbs are.

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Speaker 2: So not only on the back legs, but on its

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arms as well, on its hands, it had d claws. Yes,

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I see, Okay, that makes sense for everyone listening in

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the live chat. If you'd like to start typing out

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your questions for Todd, please be sure to type them

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00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,319
in all caps so I don't miss them before I

479
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,240
get to those. Though, we've got a little bit further

480
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,519
to go with the questions. Moving on, Todd, in our

481
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:46,559
conversations behind the scenes, you basically the first time we spoke,

482
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,400
you gave me the impression that the sasquatch experience I'm

483
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,720
going to ask you to tell us about next just

484
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,519
might have been more traumatizing to you than what the

485
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,559
dogman the encounter was. Is that accurate? Which one was

486
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:01,720
was more frightening for you?

487
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,039
Speaker 3: The Satashquot Society is the big Foot?

488
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I can understand why. When you talked about

489
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,359
how it actually affected you and what you did right

490
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:16,039
after you had it, Well, let's get to that one now.

491
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:17,839
Please tell us all the details about it.

492
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: Okay, This would be.

493
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,799
Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen eighty three and I was

494
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:30,000
fourteen years old and I had go I had gone

495
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,319
to the river that day.

496
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: Actually I had.

497
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: Gone to the river, which is a mile from my house,

498
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,799
the day before that. But when I got to the river,

499
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,720
there was my older my neighbor who was like four

500
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,839
years five years older than I was at the time,

501
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,359
and he had his girlfriend with him. So once I

502
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,759
recognized that, I elected to go back home. So it

503
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,880
was the very next day I went back to the

504
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,640
river and it was just me. I thought, you know, well,

505
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,680
I was hoping that there wasn't going to be anybody

506
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,480
else there. As I approached the river, there was this

507
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,559
mobile home about fifty yards from where I entered the river,

508
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,000
and it was used as like the caretaker of the

509
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:23,960
property was living there and they were an older couple.

510
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,559
Speaker 3: But this this time I was down there.

511
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,119
Speaker 1: It was a newer trailer and the old couple that

512
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,599
lived in the trailer before that were gone, and there

513
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,880
was a little kid playing with like his little Tonka

514
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,400
trucks out out in front, and he saw that I

515
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,359
had my towel, and I was in my swim trunck and.

516
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: He said to me, you can't go down there.

517
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: There's monsters down there, and I kind of chuckled, I know,

518
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:03,000
I did chuckle it monsters huh. And then that's when

519
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,799
his mother opened the door to the trailer and motioned

520
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,000
him inside, and I looked over at his mom. I said,

521
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,759
monsters huh. And I was just being jokingly about it.

522
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,480
So I proceeded down the fifty yards down to the

523
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:20,799
entrance where I get into the river, and I started

524
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:28,079
walking upstream. Well, I got about maybe twenty yards upstream

525
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,759
and on the opposite side of the river where the

526
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:37,759
levee is, some rocks started getting thrown at me and

527
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,799
they were being arcd over the levee in my direction,

528
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:43,839
and I actually got hit by one of one of

529
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,839
the rocks that I got hit with with about the

530
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,160
size of the silver dollar. It hit me in the back.

531
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,920
So I automatically fought that day. There were some of

532
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,920
my friends that had beat me to the river that

533
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,519
day and were trying to push me out. You know,

534
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,599
you know how sometimes kids are cruel, and so not

535
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,799
wanting to get hit by another rock, I just turned

536
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:14,000
to my right and went up the river bank all

537
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,319
into the levee road, which was a two track road.

538
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,960
And I was pretty upset at the time, thinking, wow,

539
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,480
you know, I thought I had better friends than that,

540
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,359
and so I started walking in the direction of that

541
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,720
mobile home. And then I turned around and said, you

542
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,839
know what, I'm not going to let these guys do

543
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,960
this to me. So I turned around and started heading

544
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,000
right where I got out of the river. And as

545
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,599
I did that, something came up from the river bank

546
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:51,799
that terrified me. It it had a large head and

547
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,519
big black marble eyes. I don't remember seeing the ears,

548
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,839
but the head was kind of square, it wasn't conical,

549
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,759
and it had some hair on it, Okay, kind of

550
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:07,839
like a head of cabbage that was flattened down.

551
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: You know. That's the only way I could explain it.

552
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: And what terrified me the most was the skin color,

553
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,800
because at that time I had watched the movie The

554
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Extrasist and the actress the name in that movie, her

555
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,320
name was Raven, and when she was possessionally had this

556
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,960
color the skin that resembled what I.

557
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,079
Speaker 3: Was looking at.

558
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,599
Speaker 1: And every line on this creature's face, whether it be

559
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,800
the two laugh lines on either side of its mouth,

560
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,360
and all the lines that were on its forehead were

561
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,000
a bright red okay.

562
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: Its nose was pug pugged, kind of like.

563
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,639
Speaker 1: A pig snout, but not as big, okay, not like

564
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,519
the size of a pig snout, but it was pugged okay.

565
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,000
And its mouth with it went almost from from it

566
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,000
just went from one side of the face to the other,

567
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:05,760
like it was like.

568
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: A trap, a trap jaw.

569
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: Really big teeth and there were some uh K nine

570
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,079
type type teeth that were that were sharp, but like sharp,

571
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,800
both on the upper and lower bridge.

572
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: And the chest was really big. And I only saw

573
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,440
this thing.

574
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: From uh the upper torso up and and the the

575
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:29,519
winketh of.

576
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: The shoulders were really wide, way wider than mine. I

577
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,199
don't know.

578
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't determine if this thing was that old or

579
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,880
that young, Okay. All I knew is that I thought

580
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,440
it was some kind of demon okay.

581
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:47,119
Speaker 3: And I was so.

582
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: Taken back by this thing that I started back pedaling

583
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,679
backwards and I fell, and because I was still wet

584
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,119
from getting down of the river, I fell into the

585
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,079
two track road which was mostly still There was some

586
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,559
sand but mostly silt, and I had this all over

587
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:09,480
my wet body. When I got up and turned to run,

588
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:14,239
my legs felt like they were about two hundred pounds each.

589
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,239
They wouldn't move, and so taking my right and left

590
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,360
hand on my right leg, I was picking my leg up,

591
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:25,679
get it to move, you know, move forward.

592
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: And finally I got movement in my leg and I.

593
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: Started running to that mobile home that wasn't very far away.

594
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,880
And I was banging on this trailer as hard as

595
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,440
I could, and my mouth was so dry I could

596
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,840
barely get any words out, and I was yelling, please

597
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,239
help me, let me in, Please help me. And you

598
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,800
know what, I wasn't going to get any help because

599
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,760
that lady wasn't going to open her door for me.

600
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Now that kid that said you can't go down there,

601
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,159
there's monitors down there, well he wasn't lying. They must

602
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:08,719
have known something that I didn't obviously, so I knew

603
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,199
that I wasn't going to get any.

604
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:10,599
Speaker 3: Help from them.

605
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: So I started down the dirt road that I came

606
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,199
up on from my street from the asphalt, and when

607
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,079
I almost got to the asphalt, I noticed that the

608
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,880
irrigation ditches were full, and they're like three foot irrigation ditches.

609
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,000
So the only thing that was in between me and

610
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:28,960
the irrigation ditch was a barbed bar fence. So I

611
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,639
went in between the barbed wires and got into the

612
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:36,519
irrigation ditch because by now the silt had started drying

613
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:40,119
on me like stucco, so I was just trying to

614
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:41,440
get silt.

615
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,079
Speaker 3: This dried silt off me as fast as I could.

616
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,679
And then I don't know what got my.

617
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: Attention, but I looked towards the levee of the river

618
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:51,960
again and I saw this huge.

619
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 3: Silhouette. I didn't see much detail about.

620
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,159
Speaker 1: All I could see was this big youthe head, the

621
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,760
huge rake, the shoulder that were like about four feet wide,

622
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,000
big arms, big muscles, a big barrel chest, and from

623
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:13,880
the upper torso where the chested went down to the

624
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:19,159
waist like a tapered and then these two huge legs

625
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:23,159
that looked like they were tree trunks. And in my mind,

626
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:27,039
this is what I heard. I heard, you better get

627
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:30,679
out of here right now before you can't, okay, And

628
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,079
it wasn't my voice I was saying this. This was

629
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,559
something that wasn't my voice that I was hearing, and

630
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:40,199
so not being able to get all this dry silt

631
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,800
off me. I got up and went in between the

632
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,239
barbed wires again and back onto the dirt road, which

633
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,800
about fifteen yards from the asphalt. And I had put

634
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,159
my arms out and my hands up, and it said okay.

635
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:03,519
I said, okay, okay, I'm leaving and terrified, right terrified.

636
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,719
There was nothing I could say to rebuke this thing.

637
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,599
I heard what I heard, and I believed, I believed

638
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:13,320
it to be true.

639
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: So I left there. I got onto the asphalt road

640
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,480
and started heading home. Now, remember I have a mile.

641
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,599
Speaker 1: To walk still, and I got about an eighth of

642
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,880
a mile in the direction of my house, and then

643
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,519
I heard something approaching on the other side of the road,

644
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,719
on the other side of the fence. And I couldn't

645
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,320
see it though, but I could. I could hear it approaching,

646
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:37,519
and I.

647
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: Could see it.

648
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,039
Speaker 1: It's football because the weeds that were growing they were

649
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:47,000
moving with the steps of this thing that I can't see.

650
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,480
And I jumped out of my out of my skin again.

651
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,880
I mean I literally jumped up in the air, scared.

652
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,760
And about the same time a farmer came right and

653
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,719
by it old farm truck, and I swear if pot

654
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,119
farmer had taken a look at me.

655
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: He could tell something was wrong.

656
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: So I kept I kept walking and I and this

657
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,440
time I had lost my flip flops.

658
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:19,119
Speaker 3: Right, So it's summertime.

659
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: And uh, a hot asphalt road is nothing, nothing fun, okay.

660
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,000
So I had to walk on the very the very

661
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:29,920
edge of the street where the where the weeds.

662
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: Were growing to keep my feet from burning.

663
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: Finally I made it home, okay, And I must have

664
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,599
looked like, uh, looked like hell Okay.

665
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 3: I was in shock, and uh.

666
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,599
Speaker 1: All I wanted to do was get onto my property,

667
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,840
to the back of the house where the spit there

668
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,480
was a spickett and a hose and start rinsing off.

669
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:57,639
And not only was I rinsing off this dried silk

670
00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:00,159
that was on my body, but I was also were

671
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,840
washing off this stink. The stench that I had, and

672
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:08,119
how I described the smell was like the rotting meat,

673
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:11,199
kind of like a skunk, but it wasn't a skunk,

674
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,320
but it was pung up like a skunk and the

675
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,000
bottom of a garbage can in summertime. And so I

676
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:22,239
rinsed off. And then now I'm left with my swim trunks,

677
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,840
which stunk. I'm sure they stunk too, because I went

678
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,440
into the barn and I had stripped down and I

679
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,119
had shoved my clothes and between a couple of bills

680
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:32,320
of hey that we had left.

681
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 3: Over from the season before.

682
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,039
Speaker 1: And then I because I didn't want my dad to

683
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,039
know that I was at the river, so I hid

684
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,880
my swim trunks, and then I went and rinsed off

685
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,639
one more time with the spickett, and then I went

686
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,960
to the house and then I took and I washed

687
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:56,559
up in the shower, and I like rinsed a louder

688
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,119
rints and repeated like twice. Okay, because I didn't on

689
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,599
any signs of anything that I had to explain to

690
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:05,559
my dad when he got home from work. I went

691
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,800
into my bedroom and I just waited, okay, and still

692
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,159
in shock, I'm sure when he came home, he came

693
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,719
into my bedroom and to ask me how my day was,

694
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,000
and I broke down, and so he sat at the

695
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:26,840
edge of my bed with me, and then I proceeded

696
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,800
to explain to him that I was at the river

697
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,400
and that I knew I wasn't supposed to be down there,

698
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,719
and the reason why I wasn't supposed to be down

699
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,119
there is because he had he had given us instructions

700
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,800
before because I had gotten cut down there on some

701
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,400
barbed wire and I had to get stitched up. So

702
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,039
if that was the reason why he told us never

703
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:56,920
to go back down to the river, maybe he did

704
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:58,159
know about something that was.

705
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: Going on, not only on our our property.

706
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:05,639
Speaker 1: But I just have a feeling my dad knew about

707
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:10,639
these things, especially since we told him about the wild man,

708
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,599
and if he believed, if he believed that to be true,

709
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,519
maybe that's one of the reasons why he didn't want.

710
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: Us going back down to the river again.

711
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,599
Speaker 1: So I'm sure he could still tell that I was

712
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,239
in shock, and you know what, he didn't scold me.

713
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: I didn't get in any kind of trouble.

714
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,519
Speaker 1: He just told me to rest, you know, rest up, okay,

715
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,239
because he can tell that I've been through it. Okay,

716
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,400
I've been through it, and you know, I never heard

717
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,679
anything else about that.

718
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,599
Speaker 3: But very next day.

719
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: Around it was a couple hours before lunchtime, so I'd say,

720
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,320
around ten o'clock in the morning, I'm in the garage

721
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,559
and our garage door faces our street. I saw two

722
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,719
two what looked like government vehicles go down our street.

723
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,639
One of them got to the vehicles, and I don't

724
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,159
know if they were Bureau of Land Management, but they

725
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:09,000
were newer trucks and they were step side and they

726
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,559
looked like Forestreet trucks, but they were painted like forestry trucks.

727
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 3: And I say they looked like Forestreet trucks because.

728
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,639
Speaker 1: They were well, we'll drive, and they had the skinny tires,

729
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:24,920
you know, and they had these camper shells that had

730
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,079
a door in the back where the tailgate would be,

731
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,760
and they were painted this bluish gray color.

732
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,519
Speaker 3: And there was two of them, one parked over there.

733
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: Next to my property and the other one kept going

734
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,440
straight down the road down towards the river. And I

735
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,079
just thought that that looks real peculiar. Those must be

736
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:43,960
government trucks.

737
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 3: And you know my dad's employment.

738
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: At one time, my dad held credentials with local law enforcement.

739
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,559
He went to the FBI academy, he was in the OSI,

740
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,760
and he spent some time with the CIA. So when

741
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,679
he was in the o SI and for those listeners

742
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:07,679
who don't know what OSI is, its Office of Special Investigations. Now,

743
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,880
I don't know if a bigfoot sign constitute constitutes a

744
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,400
office a special investigations team to come out. But I

745
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,320
for some reason, I believe that my dad might have

746
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,400
contacted some of his colleagues and they went to go

747
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,039
investigate what had happened to me the day before.

748
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:35,559
Speaker 2: He just might have been connected. From what I understand,

749
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,880
he did something after that day that maybe, so you

750
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,119
hopefully wouldn't have any more experiences like that. Please expand

751
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:43,159
on that. For us.

752
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: The followings early summer, or it might have been the

753
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,360
early fall of that same year, we had built in

754
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,840
swimming pool put in so there would be no more,

755
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:01,920
no reason at all that I would have to go

756
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,119
back to the river to cool off. We had our

757
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:04,559
own pool.

758
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:06,519
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, he.

759
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,199
Speaker 2: Knew what he was doing. Yeah, that worked with me too.

760
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,599
I'd spend the whole summer there right by the pool, so.

761
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: I did.

762
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say I blame you there. That was

763
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,760
a good move. And what in the world's going on

764
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,599
with that dead looking sasquatch. I mean, I can understand

765
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:25,719
a lot of adaptations they might have, but having greenish

766
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,199
looking skin, bluish greenish looking skin like you'd see on

767
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,719
a corpse, that's really hard to understand and wrap your

768
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,000
mind around. I just I can't see the advantage to

769
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,119
having skin that looks like I just like that. I

770
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,920
just wonder why it looked that way. That's so weird.

771
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think I've ever heard of any counter

772
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:54,920
with that colored skin. Usually i've heard that they're like black,

773
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,239
they look black or mostly black.

774
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, normally that's how it is. But now with that

775
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,360
one that you saw, maybe something was wrong with it.

776
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,639
It's just hard to know. All we can do is

777
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,239
guess on that. Well, let's get to some of the

778
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,719
questions from the live chat here. The first one is

779
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,199
a general question from Christi Anne. She wants to know

780
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,960
if dog men have rabies. Well, that's something we can

781
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,559
only guess at. Mammals can get rabies, but our dog

782
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,320
men just run to the mill mammals. I mean, there

783
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,760
are a lot of things that point soundly towards them

784
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,880
not being just typical flesh and blood creatures that are

785
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,639
out there trying to scratch out a living. There is

786
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,119
a lot of evidence that points towards them possibly having

787
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,400
demonic ties. We don't know that for sure, but if

788
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,159
that's a case, I don't think that rabies is even

789
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,599
a consideration for them. This next question is from Gabriel

790
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:52,880
Hawkins and Gabe wants to know, Vic, whatever happened to

791
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,199
the guest who was in a coma?

792
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 3: You know what?

793
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: That really is a sad situation there. That's the eyewitness

794
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,360
I was telling you guys about maybe four or five

795
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,199
months ago. I think it was where what that guy

796
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,360
went through as a kid, he had a dog men

797
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,960
come up and do something horrible to him. I don't

798
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,000
want to go into the details in case he does

799
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:16,119
pull out of his condition, his illness. I'm not sure

800
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,840
if he's even alive now. The last time I checked

801
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,039
in on him, his mother responded to my text and

802
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:26,119
let me know that he was still in the coma,

803
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,199
a medically induced coma, I believe it was. I thought

804
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,679
about reaching out again, but I was kind of afraid

805
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,199
to because what if she lost him, lost her son,

806
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,239
and then here's this stranger asking questions. I was hoping

807
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,639
he would have recovered from it, but I really don't know.

808
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,239
For that reason, I can't tell you. The next question

809
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,639
is from Michigan meat eater, and his question is how

810
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,159
close do you live to this area now? And have

811
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,800
you had any other strange experiences or noises as an adult.

812
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: Since then? I moved to southern California. My parents sold

813
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:15,360
a ranch and I hadn't heard any strange noises like that,

814
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,679
and I live in the city limits of San Diego.

815
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness you haven't had any other experiences. Hope

816
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:27,159
it stays that way. Carlito's Way ninety three CC wants

817
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:29,000
to know what color eyes did it have?

818
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:32,679
Speaker 3: They had big black, marble looking eyes.

819
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: Were they kind of like the sharks? Or did you

820
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,159
see some whites around.

821
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 3: Them like a shark? That's a good way to explain.

822
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,519
Speaker 2: It, okay, I see. The next one on deck is

823
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:49,519
from Anne Console and Ian wants to know, Todd, are

824
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:51,599
you an identical twin or for eternal?

825
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,639
Speaker 1: I'm a paternal We're called mirror twins. I'm right handed

826
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,400
and my twin is left handed. It's like looking into

827
00:49:59,440 --> 00:49:59,880
a mirror.

828
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: Wow, I never heard of that before. Well that's interesting.

829
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,480
And speaking of your twin, I need to see if

830
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:08,800
I can get a hold of him. That'd be a

831
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,519
great way to get some dirt on you, to get

832
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,000
some good stories, wouldn't No, I wouldn't do that to

833
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,360
you for all you know. Let's see the next question

834
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:22,960
is from Andre's Carasales, and Andres wants to know did

835
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,639
anything seem off before or after the encounter?

836
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 3: This morning?

837
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:33,519
Speaker 1: Well before the dog man encountered, I was, uh, while

838
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:36,280
I was pedaling to my friend's house, I was hearing

839
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:43,039
sounds along the river bank, because we're where the encounter

840
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:48,000
took place. The river was about it was about, uh,

841
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,559
maybe a half a mile from the street that I

842
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:55,239
was on, and I was hearing some really strange sounds.

843
00:50:56,119 --> 00:51:00,119
But I was just I was had a one track

844
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:02,760
mine to get to my friend's house where there was

845
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,559
no adult supervision. You know, I wasn't gonna let the

846
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,800
really strange noises sidefacked me.

847
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,679
Speaker 2: Wow, you were a tough kid, that's for sure. Yeah,

848
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:19,280
that would have derailed a lot of kids, no doubt

849
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,840
about that. This next question is from d Truth and

850
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,159
D wants to know. Hello, Vic and Todd. Any idea

851
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:28,719
on the height and weight of the dog man? Also,

852
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,559
did you smell anything?

853
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 3: I didn't smell anything, but I went. I would think

854
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,159
it was it was about.

855
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: The height probably could have been like close to seven

856
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,280
feet and the way I would guess that, I don't know,

857
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,079
close to two hundred pounds.

858
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: Wow, I fill seven feet tall and only two hundred pounds.

859
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,000
It must have been a stick figure. Almost.

860
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't that. It wasn't that. It wasn't that

861
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,800
that thin. Now you know, it had a like a

862
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,199
fur hair.

863
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:14,199
Speaker 1: Reminded me of a huge German shepherd, but more wolf like, more.

864
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: Uh were wolf like.

865
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:24,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it sounds like a good description. Bang

866
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:26,719
Bang wants to know if it had five fingers like

867
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,519
a human hand, and you addressed that. You said that

868
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,440
it had dew claws, So if it had new claus,

869
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,559
did it have any kind of a protruding thumb on

870
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:38,039
the side of its wrist or hand or was it

871
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:38,719
just a claw?

872
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: It looked like huge paws and.

873
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: I was explaining that do claw as if we had

874
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:54,079
our hands out and thumbs. That's what I was uscribing

875
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:57,800
the claw as I see.

876
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds like that's I'm pretty funky looking paws or hands.

877
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,360
The next one up is from Project Skyfalls, and they

878
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,599
want to know what color was the dog man.

879
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: Since it was night, all I could see was a

880
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,400
dark colored coat.

881
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:22,599
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, yeah, so much in your mind.

882
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,840
You're doing good to know what your name was. You

883
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,199
handled it a lot better than most people would have,

884
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,480
but it's natural that you'd still be affected by it.

885
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:35,039
Who wouldn't be, so it's understandable there. The next question

886
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:38,039
is from Fred Caserta, and Fred wants to know what

887
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:40,920
color worthy eyes. You told us they were black, but

888
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,559
he also wants to know what did the pupils of

889
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:44,639
the dog man look like.

890
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing any pupils.

891
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:54,119
Speaker 2: Some eyewitnesses report noticing them. A lot of eyewitnesses don't,

892
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:56,800
so that doesn't make any different from a lot of

893
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:03,320
other eyewitnesses. This next question is Nadine Smith and Nadine Hey. Nadine,

894
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:05,639
she wants to know what color were the eyes of

895
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:08,440
the dog men. You said that those were black, but

896
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,320
the second part of her question you didn't answer. She

897
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,320
wants to know did they seem intelligent like they were

898
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,039
assessing you?

899
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,679
Speaker 3: Yes, I did believe that because.

900
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: When I was approaching it.

901
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,639
Speaker 3: It was really upset. It seemed like it was really upset.

902
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: Really pissed off, and so it started running towards me

903
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,719
and there was some kind of some kind of intelligence

904
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:35,880
there that it was out to get me.

905
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: Well, I can only imagine all the things that are

906
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,519
going through your mind at the time. Like I said,

907
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,760
I'm going to be the dead horse here. You deserve

908
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,519
so much credit for holding this together, holding everything together

909
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:53,320
so well, because most people have just fallen to pieces.

910
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,559
Audisia Samber wants to know, did the dog man or

911
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,480
did the dog men visit you in dreams? Or do

912
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,760
you feel like you had any type of mental or

913
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:06,000
telepathic connection with it? Thank you.

914
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:13,559
Speaker 1: I've never had any dreams of this terrifying, terrifying experience, and.

915
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:16,519
Speaker 3: I don't know if there was a connection.

916
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the only connection that I could think of

917
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,159
is that I was at the wrong place at the

918
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:21,760
wrong time.

919
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how most of these encounters are. Some people

920
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,840
think that they did something that called the encounters down

921
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,320
upon them and that's why they had them. But in

922
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,679
most cases, that's what it boils down to, you just

923
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,119
being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and

924
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:41,920
it's no more complicated than that. The next one is

925
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,599
from Anne Conseil, and Ian wants to know, Todd, did

926
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:48,719
the dog me and mind speak with you?

927
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,559
Speaker 1: No, it didn't, but I had the impression that it

928
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,000
wanted to brit me, to shreds and kill me.

929
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: I thought I was a dead little teenager.

930
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:00,519
Speaker 2: Oh I bet you did. But then again, that's for

931
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:02,559
most doug men they want you to think that that's

932
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,880
what they're out to do, to rip you apart, But surprise, surprise,

933
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,440
most eyewitnesses get away. The overwhelming majority of eyewitnesses walk

934
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,280
away without a scratch, because in most cases, these guys

935
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,440
are just looking to torment you and not actually rip

936
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,519
you to pieces. There's a reason behind everything they do,

937
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,320
and they're so smart they realize that if they do

938
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:26,360
kill a person, then the whole area is going to

939
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,199
be flooded with authorities and it's going to be a

940
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:32,880
big mess. So it's no surprise they don't kill eyewitnesses

941
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,000
except for once in a true blue moon. The next

942
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:44,840
question for you is from Red Edged Savage. He wants

943
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,639
to know did you ever get the feeling that it

944
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:53,239
knew what you were thinking or projected thoughts to you?

945
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 3: No, I don't think that, because.

946
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: If it did, it probably wouldn't approach any further than

947
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:05,719
did because, uh, you know, my quick wittedness rebuked him

948
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,559
with holding my two.

949
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: Index fingers up like a cross, you know. And I believe.

950
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:14,599
Speaker 1: Maybe if and it didn't approach any further than it did.

951
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,360
And uh uh, I believe maybe if it did know that,

952
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,920
it wouldn't have come my way.

953
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: It really makes me wonder if it was just the

954
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,760
words when you rebuked it that had the desired effect,

955
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:31,400
or if you're holding those index fingers up like you

956
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,519
said you did, if that even played. I'm sure, Well

957
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,480
you might be right. You just might be right. You

958
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,840
were there and none of us were, so you'd have

959
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,760
the best idea on what did work and what didn't.

960
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,079
Let's go for the next question. This one is from

961
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,320
Andras Carazalees, and he wants to know where the two

962
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,519
other beings affected by the prayer or was it just

963
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:57,320
the dog man?

964
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,559
Speaker 1: No, because they started running in the direction that I

965
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:07,360
would going before the dog man approached. So the two

966
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,239
other objects, teas or whatever they were, immediately started heading

967
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:17,159
in the direction that I was going before the dog

968
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:19,599
man started it approach to me.

969
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: I see, well, it goes with us saying that encounter

970
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,800
could have ended a heck of a lot worse than

971
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,360
it did. I think you had about the best ending

972
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,079
you could have possibly hoped for. Thank goodness for that.

973
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,559
Ian Conzell wants to know did either the dog man

974
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,400
or Bigfoot have a bad odor.

975
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: After the bigfoot encounter, the one at the river where

976
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,039
I thought it could have been some kind of demon.

977
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,519
Before today I realized I believe it was a big

978
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,360
foot did have an odor. It was a really strong

979
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,679
punch it oder punch it like a skunk, But it wasn't.

980
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't skunky smelling.

981
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:07,239
Speaker 1: It was like, like I said, like rotten meat and

982
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:08,320
the bottom of.

983
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: A garbage can in the summertime. Anybody knows what that

984
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:12,920
smells like.

985
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,639
Speaker 2: You told us about how after you got back you

986
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,119
hit those clothes because of them smelling so bad. They

987
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,880
probably stink to this day when they want to put

988
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,199
that stink out. They're a masterful at it.

989
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,119
Speaker 3: I don't think so. But yeah, they smelt for a while.

990
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure they did. I don't doubt that at all.

991
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:35,079
This next question is from Summer ne zero seven and

992
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:38,000
the Summer wants to know, Todd, is this the first

993
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,400
time you're sharing your dog man slash bigfoot encounter? And

994
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,639
did any of your friends or family ever share any

995
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,920
encounters with you if they've had any? We believe you.

996
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, Oh, thank you. Now, this isn't the first

997
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,320
time I recanted my or told my experience with the

998
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:08,280
dog Man featured on Vick's I witnessed bigfoot I've witness

999
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,719
Radio last week, and I mentioned that that encounter.

1000
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: And that show is doing really well, by the way,

1001
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,480
so that you know. But then again, like I told you, you

1002
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,719
did such a masterful job sharing your experiences. It's really

1003
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,840
no wonder it's not. The next question is from man

1004
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,400
Console and Ian wants to know, Todd, do you think

1005
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,079
the government knows about dog men?

1006
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:37,119
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I firmly believe that I think the government.

1007
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,039
Speaker 1: I'm sure the government knows about a lot of things

1008
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:44,400
that we're talking about today.

1009
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,679
Speaker 2: Oh sure, I wouldn't be surprised if they have one

1010
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:52,599
of these things in a cage. Now, as far as

1011
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:54,679
dog men go, I'm not sure that all of them

1012
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:57,400
do have demonic qualities, if any of them actually do,

1013
01:00:57,519 --> 01:01:00,840
of course, we don't know that definitively. But I wouldn't

1014
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,559
be surprised at all if they have some dog men

1015
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:05,840
in the cage and are able to really study them

1016
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,679
so they know premature everything about them, with all their

1017
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,840
resources and abilities, wouldn't surprise me in the least. Let's

1018
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,719
get another question up here. This one's from summer n

1019
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,559
O seven, and she wants to know did you see

1020
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,320
any strange lights before your encounters happened.

1021
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:23,719
Speaker 3: No, I did not.

1022
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:29,519
Speaker 2: Some my witnesses due some my witnesses don't. Most don't,

1023
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:35,239
but some do for whatever reason. Bang Bang wants to know, Todd,

1024
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,920
please elaborate on the reason the smell got on you.

1025
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 3: I just believe that I was that close, so close to.

1026
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: It, that that the smell had permeated around me.

1027
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 3: You know I was that close.

1028
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:58,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. With the way they can stink, you don't have

1029
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:00,760
to be all that close with that smell too on you.

1030
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,719
So it's no wonder it did get on him. Gabriel

1031
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,320
Hawkins wants to know, Vic, when will you do another

1032
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,039
Q and A with us listeners. I'm not really sure.

1033
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:13,800
I'm not really sure what I'm going to do another

1034
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,719
Q and A, but maybe I'll do one before too long.

1035
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,320
I try to just bring on new eyewitnesses and maybe

1036
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,840
to mix things up, do a Q and A or

1037
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,039
some other type of show once in a blue moon,

1038
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:29,159
but don't really have one in the plan says of

1039
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:34,079
right now, so I'm not really sure. This next question

1040
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:38,280
for you is from ben youtubing, and they want to

1041
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,880
know question for Vic, how did you become such an

1042
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,159
expert on the dog Man and other cryptids. Well, number one,

1043
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:46,800
there are no experts on dog men or any other cryptids.

1044
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,840
What I know about dogmen is from a ridiculous amount

1045
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,320
of exposure to eye witnesses. I mean I've spoken with

1046
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,079
thousands upon thousands of them. If you speak with thousands

1047
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:58,840
upon thousands of people who have had direct interactions with

1048
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:02,519
grizzly bears, example, well, if you keep your ears open,

1049
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,119
you're going to learn a tremendous amount about them. So

1050
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:09,719
it's basically the same thing. But instead of talking about grizzlies,

1051
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,360
here talking about dog men. I hope that answers that question.

1052
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,920
And he wants to know, do you have your own

1053
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,760
episode if you go to a channel on YouTube called

1054
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:23,800
sawdust Beast. I was interviewed on there and I talked

1055
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:29,000
about my sasquatch encounters or possible sasquatch encounters there, including

1056
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,519
one that happened right around forty five years ago where

1057
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,199
I think I had one thousand pounder just literally feet

1058
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,159
behind me when I was deer hunting. So yeah, I

1059
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:40,760
recommend you go check that out. This next question for

1060
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:49,079
you is from t Bone, and I guess another question

1061
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:52,239
directed towards me. Let's try to keep all the questions

1062
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,719
focused on the guest here, on Todd and not on me.

1063
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,159
I'll answer this one though. It says vic I recall

1064
01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:00,760
you mentioning you've seen footage of dog Man. Yes, I

1065
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,800
have rather close up on trail cams. Yeah, definitely have

1066
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:08,119
that as well. But have you seen any pictures or

1067
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:11,960
videos circulating online that you believe to be authentic? Yes,

1068
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,000
I most definitely have seen pictures circulating around the Internet

1069
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:19,440
that are definitely authentic. Pictures that have been shared with

1070
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:23,840
me that were really impressive photos, and then maybe a

1071
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,840
year or two later, I'd see it pop up online

1072
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,159
and then before you believe it, they were taken down.

1073
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,760
Sometimes a person who posted it was just gone. I

1074
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,039
don't know if they caught any blowback for posting that picture.

1075
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:39,719
But like I've said countless times, if you make the

1076
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,679
mistake of going public with any evidence about these things

1077
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:47,239
that's too good, there's definite blowback. The government does not

1078
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,239
want that. So I plan on doing what I do

1079
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,519
for a long time, helping the eyewitnesses. If I didn't

1080
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:55,519
know better, and if I made the mistake of putting

1081
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,079
evidence out there for public consumption that was above a

1082
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:03,039
certain level of even I wouldn't be allowed to help

1083
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:06,559
the eyewitnesses. I disappear as well, and I'm not going

1084
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:09,679
to make that mistake or let that happen. Let's move

1085
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,760
on to the next question. This question is from Red

1086
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,639
Edged Savage, and he wants to know, Todd, could you

1087
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:20,800
tell if it had legs like a human in basic shape?

1088
01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: It had legs like a dog, you know, anine. You know,

1089
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:31,039
they were bent and it was walking up right.

1090
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm still so impressed by all the details that you

1091
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,360
noticed about that thing. Yeah, it's almost like you were

1092
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,039
a trained observer. You did a really good job. Like

1093
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:43,800
I told you before several times.

1094
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,599
Speaker 3: Well, I call it like I see it. You know.

1095
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:49,639
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good way to be and a good

1096
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:53,239
thing to do. That's all you can do. Mary's got

1097
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:55,800
the next one. She wants to know, did your father

1098
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,119
have a talk with you about what he knew or

1099
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:01,079
if he ever shared with you what he did It work.

1100
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: You know, especially with the OSI, and definitely with the CIA,

1101
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:13,320
and some things that he learned in the when he

1102
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,400
went to the FBI Academy. He hasn't divulged too much

1103
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,280
of the FBI Academy, but we my brother and I

1104
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,519
got to talk to him on Christmas Day and he

1105
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:25,519
says that he told us that he's writing a book

1106
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:29,159
and he's so hopefully he's going to disclose some of

1107
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:31,119
the things he was never able to tell us.

1108
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's probably so much that he wasn't allowed to

1109
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:39,480
tell you if he actually was connected. That's just that

1110
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:43,639
goes with the territory. It does. The next question is

1111
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:50,039
from Nausea fourteen, and Nausea wants to know, I'm horrified

1112
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:52,719
that people in the mobile home ignored your plea for help.

1113
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,679
Did you ever encounter them again? And I agree, Naja,

1114
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:57,960
that's horrible. Shame on them.

1115
01:06:58,679 --> 01:06:59,119
Speaker 3: I know.

1116
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:06,039
Speaker 1: I was screaming on at deaf ears, you know, and

1117
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,159
I felt really I felt really upset at you know,

1118
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,280
after I got home, and to question why wouldn't they

1119
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:20,599
open the door, you know, and help me? And the

1120
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:22,599
only answer that I can come up with is that

1121
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:28,320
you know, they knew what was down there, and they

1122
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,039
want to get pulled into any kind of controversy.

1123
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still they could have caused a little kid

1124
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,559
to be killed out there because of their inaction, the

1125
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:41,840
refusal to let you in. Shame on them. I don't

1126
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,280
care what their concerns were you were in dire need

1127
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,519
of assistance and they just turned the cold shoulder. So,

1128
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,199
you know, like I said, shame on them. Looks like

1129
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,039
Fred Caserta has the last question of the night. He

1130
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:58,360
wants to know did the dog man or sasquatch breathe heavily?

1131
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,679
Speaker 1: When the dog man screamed on me, screamed at me

1132
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,119
so loud and so hard that the hair on my

1133
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,559
head was being blown back and I was getting spit

1134
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:12,280
on my face from this creature's mouth.

1135
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:16,279
Speaker 3: What was the question about Bigfoot?

1136
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: Well, he was wondering if they're breathing heavily, the dog

1137
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,600
men or sasquatch, if they're breathing heavily like they're out

1138
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:29,039
of breath, like they'd been running. No, no, yeah, that's

1139
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:31,600
another one of those things where some dog men do

1140
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,680
that when they encounter I witnesses, and others don't. Others

1141
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,279
you don't hear them breathe for the most part. So yeah,

1142
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:40,399
there's no rhyme nor reason on that. Well, before we

1143
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,199
get out, if you're Todd, do you have any closes

1144
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,159
in comments you'd like to put out there for us?

1145
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: I just wanted to.

1146
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: Thank the host you Vick and the people that were

1147
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,479
tuned in tonight with their great questions.

1148
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did do a great job, a lot of

1149
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:04,000
really good questions. Well, having said that, Todd, I can't

1150
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,159
thank you enough for coming on sharing the details of

1151
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:08,680
these experiences with us. I really appreciate it.

1152
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

1153
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,399
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much for

1154
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:22,000
your time, and have a great night. All right, everybody,

1155
01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:24,359
before we get out of here, just a couple of things.

1156
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,039
Don't forget tomorrow night special live stream episode of the

1157
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:29,720
show where Cam's going to come back on and bring

1158
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,800
all of us up to speed and all these crazy

1159
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,840
things that have been happening. And the second part is

1160
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,520
if you've had a Dogman encounter of your own and

1161
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,199
will like to come on the show and share it

1162
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:42,760
with the listeners, or maybe you don't have an interest

1163
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,680
in coming on the show, maybe you just need help

1164
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,119
dealing with it, coming to terms with it, and neither case,

1165
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:51,840
please go to Dogmanencounters dot com submit a report, and

1166
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,479
if you do that, then I'll be more than happy

1167
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,039
to schedule a phone consultation with you so we can

1168
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:59,560
find out what's ailing you and get you back to

1169
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,039
good and by the way too. If you've had a

1170
01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:05,399
sasquatch sighting and we'd like to be a guest on

1171
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,439
my bigfoot Sighting via my Bigfoot Sighting podcast that I

1172
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,560
produce also in addition to Dogman Encounters here, please go

1173
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,439
to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com submit a guest request,

1174
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,680
and I'll reach out to you to get that set up. So,

1175
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,920
having said all that, thanks again so much for listening

1176
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,760
to everyone, and have a great night.