WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.759 You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. 2 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:08.199 Mike, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:10.480 Hello, how are you? 4 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:12.160 I'm well, Mike. How can I help you? 5 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:13.679 Oh? 6 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:20.640 There's two questions. I know Biblically, to be absent from 7 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:22.960 the body is to be in the presence of the Lord. 8 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:28.120 Once we passed away, Christians and believers, he accepts us 9 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.399 if anything, through grace, that we are accepted to heaven. 10 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.320 Two questions, going back from day one on New Year calendars, 11 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:39.719 going back to follow thirteen, fourteen hundred and all that stuff. 12 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:44.679 Millions and billions and billions of people have passed away 13 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.920 and died. And number one isn't Heaven getting ele bit 14 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:49.840 crowded up there like a four or five on a 15 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:59.079 Friday night. And then number two reading a lot of it. 16 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:03.000 Maybe here's I don't know, George Nori. He has special 17 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:07.560 people talking. But I've heard a lot that once we 18 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:10.519 pass away, we go into a spiritual worm while we 19 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:13.519 go through a learning process or a period of time. 20 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:16.879 I heard some say that it's up to this old 21 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.719 spirit if we want to come back into different body 22 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:22.159 and go through this whole thing again, or we can 23 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.359 just stay up in heaven. It says that most people 24 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:29.959 prefer to come back, and then they said, you do 25 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:32.959 come back, you don't remember what you did before. You know, 26 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:37.840 once around, there's enough this life right now. I'm ready 27 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:39.480 and I'm done. I don't want to go through the 28 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:46.400 getting fill. Remember your view on both of those places. 29 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:50.840 Okay, First of all, there's room for ten more people 30 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:55.239 in heaven. I'm just kidding. That would be horrible. No, 31 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:59.120 there's plenty of rohim. Heaven does not have the walls 32 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.920 and the restrictions of time and space the way you 33 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:05.640 think of them. Here, there is no limitation. I didn't 34 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.439 make it, and in say, oh my gosh, I invited 35 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:11.240 all these people. I didn't think they were all going 36 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:13.840 to make it. It's not a situation like that. So 37 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:17.479 no worries there. There is there is no limit to 38 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:19.639 where somebody will be left out that believes. 39 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:23.919 But isn't it I mean, but if there are all 40 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.520 these people and not people, I say, but souls and 41 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:29.639 spirits going around and have and I know the soul 42 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.639 in spirits like many skill as far as a waiting 43 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:33.919 of course or whatever. 44 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:38.400 But still isn't it does not it does not take 45 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:43.879 up space. You're applying human restrictions and attributes of this 46 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.280 world to the next, and there is none at a time. 47 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:51.319 There's no time continuum, there's no spatial concerns. It is 48 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.560 not the same way in the same sense at all, 49 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:54.759 in any way, shape or form. 50 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:59.400 So there could be sillion people, it wouldn't matter right now, 51 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:04.520 and Christ and God would still be in control over 52 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:05.000 all of that. 53 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:06.319 Yep, wouldn't matter. 54 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:07.919 That's what was going on on earth. 55 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:11.520 Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter, doesn't There is no 56 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:16.159 limitations there now. As far as the second question. 57 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.240 Before your justice side person, I appreciate card do have 58 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:25.800 a very brief, brief third question about the healing practices 59 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.879 of evangelists. Since very brief, if I may ask to 60 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:34.520 have to answer this other question, sure, sure, Okay, See, 61 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:38.280 after being reborn, not being able to remember, going through 62 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:39.759 a learning podcast, coming back. 63 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:45.599 Again, that's not Christianity that you You had quoted some 64 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:51.439 verses earlier in Corinthians and in Hebrews. You loosely paraphrase 65 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:56.319 them about uh. In Corinthians about is to be absent 66 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:57.840 from the body is to be present with the Lord. 67 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.919 But it also says in he Is that you're it's 68 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.560 appointed for men to die once and then the judgment. 69 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.919 So there is no there's no place for what is 70 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:13.080 referred to as the sumsorrow, that cycle of life. There 71 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:18.480 is no place for reincarnation. Reincarnation was never in scripture. Uh, 72 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.639 there's no place for it. It doesn't fit and uh 73 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:26.199 and and so that doesn't make sense with Christianity. 74 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.639 Even though the George No, I know, he's a little 75 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.680 not out there body, he does have inners and people 76 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:38.120 that he So it's basically this. 77 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:42.480 Is once we're done, that's George Nori is a lovely man, 78 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:44.920 a very smart man, and he does have very interesting 79 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:50.399 guests on Coast to Coast, I am, but but his 80 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:52.399 his job and his focus is not the same as 81 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:57.240 the focus of the show. So so he's looking at 82 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:01.600 things from a broader spectrum than this program is. We're 83 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:05.839 very focused on the Christian Judeo Christian presupposition and the 84 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:11.040 Christian theology and specifics, so we obviously have a different 85 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.000 point and when it comes to that, So in this 86 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.319 particular case, there is nothing in scripture that allows for 87 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.240 that reincarnation and there's no need for it. Now, there 88 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.439 can be those that argue our Catholic brothers and sisters 89 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:29.600 argue that there is a purgatory, but there's different but 90 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.199 there's different beliefs in that that has changed throughout the 91 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.399 years as well as to what that means and what's 92 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:41.519 taking place. But as far as mainstream Christianity or Protestantism, 93 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:45.920 they differ. So mainstream Christianity, do you put Catholicism in 94 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.600 Protestant in that same basket they're going to They're going 95 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.839 to differ, So keep that in mind. There is differences 96 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.360 very quickly so we can make sure that we're fair 97 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:57.439 to everyone else. You had one more question you wanted to. 98 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:59.959 Ask, Yes, just really very quick. 99 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:05.480 The known evangelist Katherine Coleman probably most probably known other 100 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.959 a local evangelists with the healing powers. They went to 101 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:13.040 a Catholic church, going up on stage for print everything. 102 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.680 I mean, they didn't even touch me yet I felt 103 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.160 at people, my wife and other friends. They said he 104 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.160 was presults anyone near me and I just supposedly felt 105 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.279 under the spirit other places where I went up actually 106 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.519 felt this presence for you just I mean, it's like 107 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:34.639 just falling backwards. How what is that manifest? And are 108 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:39.360 is really true of I want to say, I won't 109 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.680 to say heals, but the presence of falling under what 110 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.600 they call pulling in the spirit. I don't get that. 111 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.279 I mean, I get it, but how's that explained? 112 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:54.000 That? It depends because and this is not specifically speaking 113 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.759 about anyone who refers to themselves as a faith healer, 114 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:59.800 A lot of that is garbage, a lot of it 115 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.600 into theatrics and whatnot and psychology that takes place during 116 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.399 a group experience like that. That doesn't mean that it 117 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:10.959 can't take place. Of course, there are gifts of the 118 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.199 spirit that do take place, and there are healings that 119 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.360 could take place to this day. But that is God's will, 120 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.000 not the will of an individual or their ability. God 121 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.759 will speak through somebody like a prophet, and God will 122 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.800 heal through somebody like a healer, but it's not done 123 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:31.480 in the theatrical way the way it often is betrayed 124 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:35.959 in Christianity. Across the board, there are many of those 125 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:41.000 that act as if they are faith healers, and really 126 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.000 it's an amount of theatrics and people get caught up 127 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.519 in something the same way you can watch a movie 128 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.199 that you know is absolutely fake that it is actors 129 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:53.639 that you've seen many times before you can start to 130 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.839 cry or get angry or be thrilled by the outcome 131 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:03.399 because emotionally having experience with those other people in the 132 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:04.959 theater while watching something. 133 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:06.079 So you have to be. 134 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.439 Careful as to what your experience is. Your experience should 135 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.680 always be lining up with scripture and the things of God, 136 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.199 and it should never be to the glory of an 137 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.680 individual other than God. You shouldn't have to pay for 138 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.199 such a thing. These types of things should be thought 139 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.360 of before you go and experience on things, because they 140 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:34.120 can be quite emotional and you can catch you up 141 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:39.360 in that kind of overall attitude and excitement, and you 142 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.639 can think that it's spiritual when it's just psychological. Something 143 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:51.480 to think about, brother, and not be lost in that. Trisha, 144 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:52.799 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 145 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:54.879 Hi, Jesus Hi. 146 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:55.879 How can I help you? 147 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.559 Well, my husband and I have been together for twenty 148 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:04.200 five year years since we're eighteen, and we had ten 149 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.159 years ago we had preemie twins and they had a 150 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.799 lot of health problems, but you know, we worked through it. 151 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:15.240 And I'm a real nervous person, and through this whole 152 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.360 thing with the twins, there was a lot of life 153 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.279 and death issues as far as like open heart surgeries 154 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:25.720 and stuff like that, and things seemed like they were 155 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.000 getting by, or my kids were healthy and stuff, but 156 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:32.840 then my husband got diagnosed with cancer, and ever since then, 157 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:40.480 I have just I don't know. I can't I can't 158 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:44.200 come to terms with the fact that I feel like 159 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:49.960 everything that I had hoped for and worked for that 160 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:53.240 it's just not ever going to be the same now 161 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:57.799 and I'm always here. I see almost everything now like 162 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.080 I'm petrified even if my get a cold, that they're 163 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:01.919 going to die. 164 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:08.120 And like Tricia, that that's no way to live your expectations. 165 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:14.799 Expectations really can be the demon of everything to It's 166 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.559 good to have hopes, it's good to have desires, but 167 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:22.360 if you get to a place where where those overshadow 168 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:27.080 everything else, Tricia, and your life becomes this drawing or 169 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.159 cartoon of what you expect, you will never appreciate and 170 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.240 see what you have in front of you. And that's 171 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.960 a huge concern of mine. Don't get lost in that, Tricia. 172 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:37.679 I know that you're going through pain, I know that 173 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.840 you have problems, and there are things that you can tackle, 174 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:43.639 but if you start to try and nerf the world 175 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.279 and make everything so it has no sharp edges, or 176 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.159 that there's not ever going to be a problem that 177 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.559 you will lose sight of the preciousness of the life 178 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:52.600 that you have and the people that are in it 179 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.360 don't lose sight of that, not for some hope, some 180 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.399 kind of make believe this is what I thought I 181 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:05.360 was going to have. Enjoy what you do have, Nancy, 182 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:06.600 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 183 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:08.000 Hi do this. 184 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:12.840 I have a question. I am looking for verses about 185 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:14.200 the age of accountability. 186 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.799 There aren't really any if you're looking about something specifically 187 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:23.000 talking about the age of accountability. It's more theorized by 188 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:25.519 most and some many don't believe that it exists at all. 189 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:30.480 But religiously people use them or theologically people use that 190 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:35.120 term usually to say there's different schools of thought. Some 191 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.840 of them will say, well, a child will automatically go 192 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:42.279 to heaven if they're below a certain age or the 193 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:45.320 age of accountability, which really is a sliding scale to 194 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.320 begin with, because there are children at very young ages 195 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:52.759 that understand and comprehend many things, and then there are 196 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:56.480 others that get older and maybe slightly slower and don't 197 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.559 understand things. There are religious tradition that say that the 198 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.480 age of accountability is twelve or thirteen because they reference 199 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:11.720 that my first readings in scripture come around that time, 200 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:17.000 or certain things like this. So people will make kind 201 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.159 of arbitrary lines saying, well, it has to be this, 202 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.720 has to be that. But as far as scripture specifically 203 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.960 saying an age of accountability, no, But there is talk 204 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.320 that people will come to the knowledge of the difference, 205 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:34.840 the difference between sweet and bitter, and as some people say, well, 206 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:39.600 that may be alluding to the concept of truth versus 207 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.360 that which is false, But no one verse that you're 208 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.879 going to come across. That's why it is a topic 209 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.600 that's continually argued to this day. Is there a particular 210 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:51.440 reason you ask. 211 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.000 I was just trying to give some hope to somebody 212 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:58.120 who doesn't believe, who believes that if a three year 213 00:12:58.120 --> 00:12:59.440 old dies today, they're going to. 214 00:12:59.399 --> 00:12:59.799 Go to hell. 215 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.639 Well, there's no reason to believe that either. I mean, 216 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.879 there's there and there. The argument kind of goes it 217 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:10.639 does tie into that, and there's people. They go back 218 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:14.600 and forth and they quote Proverbs twenty eleven that talks 219 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.440 about even a child is known by his doings, whether 220 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:20.360 his work be pure, whether it be right. There are 221 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:26.159 those that will talk about Matthew Mark and I think 222 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.720 this also in Luke eighteen sixteen, where it says suffer 223 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.399 little children and forbid them not to come to me 224 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.120 for such as the kingdom of Heaven. And people look 225 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:40.279 at that and say, obviously Christ is talking there about 226 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:44.480 the children being in heaven. And this is an argument 227 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.720 that goes back and forth. This is a place where 228 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:49.679 really faith comes in and you have to trust that 229 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:53.799 when the ugliness of something like a child dying takes place, 230 00:13:54.360 --> 00:14:00.279 that God, God has a way of balancing these things out. 231 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:05.639 That really accountability and salvation is based on acceptance or rejection, 232 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:13.600 not ignorance, and that's where the confusion sometimes lies. Ken, 233 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:14.960 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 234 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:20.279 Hi. When I was eight years old, I was at 235 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.879 a Christian camp swimming in a lake and I watched 236 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:26.559 the boy drown right in front of me. 237 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:28.159 Oh. 238 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:33.559 It was a horrible, dramatic incident that changed my life forever. 239 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:40.639 And now I take it to being an adult. I'm 240 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:42.600 forty years old now and I decided to have my 241 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:46.039 daughter baptized about two weeks ago, and I get the 242 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.000 directions to the lake, and my daughter's very excited, and 243 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.559 I'm very excited to have her baptized. And I drive 244 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:56.799 in and it's the same lake that I watched a 245 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:02.480 boy drown when I was exactly her age, and I 246 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:06.600 kind of relived the whole incident again and I was devastated. 247 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.679 I mean, the odds of this happening. Of all the 248 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.840 places that I could have had my daughter baptized, it 249 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:17.320 was exactly the same place that I watched this happen. 250 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.600 And you know, I didn't know why this was going on. 251 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:23.600 I had mixed feelings about it. Maybe I shouldn't do it, 252 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:30.440 Maybe it's cursed. Is this really what God's plan is 253 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:34.000 is to use this lake? And you know I decided that, 254 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.320 you know, this wasn't about me anymore. This is about 255 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:41.080 my daughter accepting Jesus Christ in her life. And I 256 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:44.960 explained to her what happened, and we decided to do it. 257 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.159 But I was wondering if there's any significance to this 258 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:48.840 at all. 259 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.279 Well, I'll tell your first. I'm very proud of you 260 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.159 because you pushed through it. The enemy had you at 261 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.960 every turn on that one. He would have loved nothing 262 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.200 more than you to turn that car around and not 263 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:08.679 have your daughter baptized. It would have been a huge 264 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:14.159 victory in his eyes. And you push through it. There 265 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:15.759 are a lot of things that are going to take place. 266 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.279 You drive on roads every day that people have lost 267 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:23.000 loved ones on. Every day. You've gone to hospitals where 268 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.120 people have died. You've gone to restaurants where people have 269 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:31.320 been have gotten sick, or might have choked on something. 270 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.080 Death is a part of life. It's everywhere. But you 271 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.080 need to see the significance of the instance and what's 272 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.799 taking place, rather than the fact that there's a history 273 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:45.360 of something. Now, if that child died because there was 274 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:50.759 something in that water, I wouldn't blame you, but because 275 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:56.240 of a freak accident or someone dying to not use 276 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.360 you know, there's reason that it's the same place. This 277 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.919 particular church or churches in general in that area may 278 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.279 use this. For you said it was a Christian camp 279 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:10.839 or and now it's a Christian baptism that there is. 280 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:12.720 You know, it's a body of water in the area. 281 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:17.240 It's normal for it to be used in different purposes. 282 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:19.960 But what I want you to take from this is 283 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:25.440 the fact that things aren't evil unto themselves. There isn't 284 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.960 an evil thing in the world. Evil is when morally 285 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:36.079 neutral things have bad relationships. So for instance, when a 286 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:41.039 child is unattended or doesn't swim well, water can be 287 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.359 evil in the relationship between that person and the water 288 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.960 and they can drown. But in a baptism that's controlled 289 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.799 and there are people around to watch and it's done structurally, 290 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.400 it can be a beautiful thing about the awakening of 291 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:02.319 someone's spirit and the acknowledgment of their faith. So likewise, 292 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.720 if someone broke into your house heaven forbid, with a gun, 293 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:10.359 that's a bad thing. But if right behind them, law 294 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.920 enforcement broke into your house with a gun, that's a 295 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:16.799 good thing. And so I want you to stop, you know, 296 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.119 not to see this lake as something good or bad. 297 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:22.680 It was depending on how it was experienced, that was 298 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:25.480 good or bad. But the lake itself is not evil 299 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:30.160 and it isn't cursed or anything like that Situationally, it's 300 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:32.480 very sad that you had to witness that at such 301 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.839 a young age or at all, and it's going to be, 302 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.400 you know, an indelible mark on your life forever. But 303 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.640 I hope that it will be equally as indelible the 304 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.359 moment and the beauty of watching your daughter being baptized 305 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:52.359 and confirm her place and her heart for God in 306 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.880 front of all those people that too should have power. 307 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:58.519 Wouldn't you say? 308 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:05.359 Yeah, that just I just can't believe it. And it's 309 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.599 you know, some good has come of it, because I 310 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:14.319 decided to be a paramedic after that for obvious reasons. 311 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:17.240 So it did change my life forever. But it also 312 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:22.480 you know, after her being baptist baptized, I'll never forget 313 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:23.000 that day. 314 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:23.319 In my life. 315 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.519 That was a day that just stood out to me 316 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.440 and I felt that, you know, God was talking to 317 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.920 me that day. It just was a really strange thing 318 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:33.519 to go through. 319 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:34.599 And what was he saying. 320 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.440 He was saying, to let this go. He was saying, 321 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.759 don't harbor any guilt. It wasn't my fault. You know, 322 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.920 I was a child and I and I didn't rescue him. 323 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.160 I I panicked. 324 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:54.079 But you didn't have the ability to rescue him, right, 325 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:58.640 I didn't, So it can't be your fault. 326 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.039 Right, And I and I it took a long time 327 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:07.640 to realize that it wasn't my fault. And but you know, 328 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.200 just to let it go, I mean, just to say 329 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:17.599 goodbye to him to pray for him, and I don't know. 330 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:18.640 It was just a. 331 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.319 Really difficult thing to go through. And being a paramedic, 332 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:25.880 I've seen people drown and been on the other side 333 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:32.000 of it too. It was just a really strange day. 334 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:35.359 I want you to take all those the physical things 335 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.359 and seeing someone lose their life obviously very potent. Scripture 336 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.400 says do not fear those that can kill the flesh, 337 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:43.480 but those that can kill the spirit. And I want 338 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:45.559 you to think about all those people that are drounding 339 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.279 spiritually every single day because no one wants to do 340 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:50.960 anything about it. They're embarrassed to share their faith or 341 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.960 whatever it might be. And the situation you're describing is 342 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:58.599 that you immediately grew into a person who said, you 343 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:01.000 know what, I want to know what to do and 344 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.960 became a paramedic. What you witnessed with your daughter was 345 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:09.759 you know, the symbolism of baptism is the death and 346 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:14.079 the burial and the resurrection as they come up out 347 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.720 of the water. And I think all of that imagery 348 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:18.640 is very powerful, but what you do with it is 349 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.799 up to you. You know, the same knife you may 350 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.839 use for a tracheotomy, an emergency tracheotomy is the is 351 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:28.519 a knife that could be used to kill somebody. And 352 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:33.799 to not put value positive or negative on these things, 353 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.720 the water, the knife, any of these things, but to 354 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:41.200 see them as proper usage and improper usage. And what 355 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:42.920 you got. You've got to see both in the same 356 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:47.200 body of water, and you got to see both sides 357 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.400 of the beauty of that water and the power of 358 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:52.559 that water in the sense of that it could take 359 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:58.200 a life, but to dwell on it or somehow let 360 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:02.240 it weigh you down when it's abviously been a positive 361 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:04.920 or productive in your life, piece of your life, because 362 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:06.599 you've taken it and said I'm going to do something 363 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.640 good with it, you have to let You have to 364 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:12.720 let the power of that lake or the mystery of 365 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:15.799 that lake go away. But you don't have to forget 366 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.640 what took place there. You don't forget what you learned there. 367 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:21.920 You don't have to forget the life. But you couldn't 368 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:24.839 do anything. And guilt is irrelevant, It doesn't mean anything. 369 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:28.240 It has no benefit in this particular case. And I 370 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:31.240 think that you should enjoy the beauty of what your 371 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.640 daughter went through and that that should be a significant 372 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:39.079 part of your life, equally as significant as the death 373 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.599 that you witnessed, because if you really believe what it 374 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:46.000 says in scripture, it says that the fear is not 375 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.839 in the flesh being lost, but the spirit being lost. 376 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:51.839 And so you were able to sit there and watch 377 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.359 your daughter come into a new life in Christ. And 378 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.240 that's a very powerful and wonderful thing. I'm sorry that 379 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:01.519 you went through that experience, but it's obvious that it 380 00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:05.599 has done something and meant something in a way that 381 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:09.880 has become very very productive in your life. That glorifies God. 382 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:17.880 The other gives the enemy Total Foothold Dale, Welcome to 383 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:18.759 the Jesus Christ Show. 384 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:26.759 Hello Jesus Hi Dale. I'm first time caller I have 385 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:28.640 listened to for quite some time. 386 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:31.400 Well, welcome, How can I help you? 387 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:39.240 I was married to who to whom I perceived as 388 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:43.720 my actually my soulmate at a young age. 389 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:53.079 I was actually twenty and she was she's eighteen. We 390 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:58.680 were blessed with with my with with the daughter and 391 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:06.200 fleet and then two other sons after that. Married for 392 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:15.079 fourteen years and worked so hard to build a good 393 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:20.000 life and all my plans for the future and all 394 00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:22.440 all the plans that I thought God had and sore 395 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:28.559 for me were there and it was probably, I mean, 396 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:37.119 the utmost happiest time of my life. And I had 397 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:42.319 you know, it was fairly successful in the field that 398 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:51.000 I was in at the time. I actually put my wife, 399 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.200 my ex wife never worked because we wanted her to 400 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.799 be with the children as much as possible and daily. 401 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:00.599