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Speaker 4: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
Speaker 4: their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: How are you all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this
Speaker 2: is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Jared, coming
Speaker 2: to us from the state of Cana and he will
Speaker 2: be sharing two major encounters and a myriad of minor
Speaker 2: strange experiences. The most profound he had was a sighting
Speaker 2: of a UFO that transformed from one giant triangle into
Speaker 2: nine orbs in the San Francisco Bay Area in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety two. Jared is up next, but first, if you
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Speaker 3: Now on the show, Hello Jared, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Hi Nick, Thanks for to me today. I'm Jared. I
Speaker 1: live in the East Bay of California. That's like the
Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay Area I live. It's a suburb of Oakland,
Speaker 1: the city. I live in Castro Valley and I've lived
Speaker 1: all over California. I grew up in Redwood City, a
Speaker 1: town that's kind of halfway between San Francisco San Jose,
Speaker 1: but I've lived in Humboldt, and my wife and I
Speaker 1: spent about ten years in Los Angeles. And for me,
Speaker 1: I have one significant siding in my life when I
Speaker 1: was twelve years old of a UFO that kind of
Speaker 1: kind of defined who I would become in the person
Speaker 1: I became. It was kind of a life altering experience.
Speaker 1: The first touch of paranormal that came into my life, though,
Speaker 1: was when I was about five years old and my
Speaker 1: brother was about two. For a couple of years in
Speaker 1: his childhood, he would talk about his past life experience
Speaker 1: and it would usually manifest in statements like he would
Speaker 1: tell me all the time that my other brother was
Speaker 1: much nicer than you, and he would talk about his
Speaker 1: other brother, and in one instance he talked about how
Speaker 1: his other brother got killed, who was run over by
Speaker 1: a tank in the war. And then at one point
Speaker 1: he told his daycare teacher that he was born in Wales,
Speaker 1: and the teacher brought this up with my parents and
Speaker 1: the whole family was surprised because he would have had
Speaker 1: no way of ever hearing about the country of Wales.
Speaker 1: And then we later found out that our name is
Speaker 1: Welsh name and we do in fact have ancestry from Wales.
Speaker 1: So that kind of was in my young mind, kind
Speaker 1: of sparked a mystery of the world and touch something
Speaker 1: in me that I think I was just generally curious
Speaker 1: about the world. My parents were not religious, but I
Speaker 1: tried to find religion religion. I cajoled the neighbors to
Speaker 1: take me to church, and that didn't really do it
Speaker 1: for me. I didn't stick with that long that I
Speaker 1: in the libraries I found in my school library, in
Speaker 1: the public library I found I would always find the
Speaker 1: occult paranormal section, which in our public library was just
Speaker 1: a couple of books, which I read them all. I
Speaker 1: wish I remember the names of them. I don't, but
Speaker 1: I know one of them was The Betty and Barney
Speaker 1: Hill Interrupted Journey, and some other books was citing so was.
Speaker 1: I became fascinated with the idea of UFOs aliens, and
Speaker 1: I would always be watching the sky and hoping to
Speaker 1: see hoping to see a ufo. I remember when I
Speaker 1: was in Little League baseball, standing in the outfield just
Speaker 1: looking at the sky and completely missing a flyball came
Speaker 1: my way. And I never was very good at baseball.
Speaker 1: Even without being distracted looking for UFOs, I never really
Speaker 1: saw anything. I have vague memories of things that could
Speaker 1: be false memories, but one of them being at a
Speaker 1: young age, I was very afraid when we lived in
Speaker 1: this one house. I was very afraid of prowlers coming
Speaker 1: in the window, and I always imagined eyes looking in
Speaker 1: the window, and I tuck myself under the covers, and
Speaker 1: I thought if my arms were completely under the covers,
Speaker 1: I couldn't be seen, and like the prowlers wouldn't see me.
Speaker 1: And I have this memory of my bedroom being filled
Speaker 1: with light and telling myself, oh, it's headlights from a
Speaker 1: truck driving down the hill, which doesn't quite make sense,
Speaker 1: as the angle cars drove on the street wouldn't have
Speaker 1: flooded the room with lights. That's one of the experiences
Speaker 1: I have that's kind of vague, could be meaningless, could be,
Speaker 1: could be something. And then another time, my best friend
Speaker 1: in second grade, he moved to this town near Tahoe,
Speaker 1: and I would during the summer, I would go stay
Speaker 1: with him on weekends a lot and there was this
Speaker 1: one time I was staying there. It was the last
Speaker 1: time I ever stayed at his house where he lived
Speaker 1: in an upstairs bedroom, and I just woke up on
Speaker 1: the kitchen floor all the way downstairs. And I've never
Speaker 1: sleepwalked in my life before or since. I just remember
Speaker 1: waking up on the kitchen floor. The kitchen lights were on,
Speaker 1: and I had no clue how I got there. And
Speaker 1: then for whatever reason, that that weekend just felt really
Speaker 1: odd to me, and after that we kind of lost touch.
Speaker 1: I never hung out with him again. So I was
Speaker 1: always had this sinking feeling that there's something more to
Speaker 1: that to that day and that night, and I just
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. And fast forward to when
Speaker 1: I'm twelve years old, the big UFO siding I had,
Speaker 1: which the memory is crystal clear in my mind whenever
Speaker 1: I think about it, and it's something I think about
Speaker 1: at least at least once a week and half since then.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen ninety two, I was twelve years old.
Speaker 1: It was my friend's birthday, it was, and I wish
Speaker 1: I knew the exact date. I didn't keep a record
Speaker 1: at that time, even though I had kept diary occasionally
Speaker 1: as a kid. For whatever reason, I wish I wrote
Speaker 1: all these details down at the time, but I felt
Speaker 1: I feel like something almost kept wanting me to forget
Speaker 1: this experience. But we were at the We went to
Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants game. My friend call him d
Speaker 1: It was his birthday. His mom drove us. It was
Speaker 1: a d our. Other friends b c NP and we
Speaker 1: go to the Giants game. It was an evening game
Speaker 1: that went into the night game. And this is in
Speaker 1: the San Francisco Bay. This is in the old Candlestick Park,
Speaker 1: which is off of the one on one Freeway adjacent
Speaker 1: to the Bay, so just a little bit south of
Speaker 1: San Francisco actually, and my friend's mom had parked off
Speaker 1: on this side hill. It was undeveloped at the time,
Speaker 1: since it currently has a housing community there, but it
Speaker 1: was this undeveloped hill where you could park if you
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay for parking, and it meant you
Speaker 1: had like a ten to fifteen minute walk to the
Speaker 1: stadium to watch the game. And it was the ballpark
Speaker 1: at that time did a promotion where if you bought
Speaker 1: an ice cream, it came in a little plastic helmet.
Speaker 1: And so after the game, us kids went around collecting
Speaker 1: all the helmets, and we're just goofing off, and we
Speaker 1: stayed long after the game ended, and then so by
Speaker 1: the time we finally walked to the car, which was
Speaker 1: parked on a hill, most of the people who attended
Speaker 1: the game were already gone. There was a few other
Speaker 1: families on the hill, I think, packing up their cars too,
Speaker 1: And we're walking towards the car, and two of the
Speaker 1: kids had already climbed into the car, and my friend's
Speaker 1: mom was at the car door getting them in, and
Speaker 1: then me and b were kind of trailing behind, walking
Speaker 1: towards the car, facing the bay, and something just compelled
Speaker 1: me to look up and above my head I see
Speaker 1: this giant black triangle. And it's hard to tell the
Speaker 1: scale of it because it was just open, open skies
Speaker 1: above me. But if I put my hands above my
Speaker 1: head at like not full arm's length, but almost like
Speaker 1: I'm making a football field goal, it almost that arm's
Speaker 1: length wide above my head, this giant black triangle, and
Speaker 1: it was almost directly above me, and it was just
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there. It looked like a leaf on
Speaker 1: the wind wavering, and I got goosebumps. It was enthralling,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking up, just staring at it, and my
Speaker 1: friend B is right there next to me, and he's
Speaker 1: like looking at me, looking at it, and he's I
Speaker 1: could tell, he's like, what are you doing. Come on,
Speaker 1: let's walk to the car. And then but I'm just
Speaker 1: staring at it, and then this thing that an orange
Speaker 1: light starts emanating from the center, and as it fades in,
Speaker 1: it kind of fades in and then fades out, and
Speaker 1: where there had been one giant triangle, there's now three
Speaker 1: black triangles, but they're still in that triangle formation, and
Speaker 1: there's still kind of just like bobbing on the air.
Speaker 1: And then at that point, the center of each triangle
Speaker 1: starts fading out until you have a white orb in
Speaker 1: each corner where those triangles were. So you have these
Speaker 1: nine white orbs in the formation of three triangles, in
Speaker 1: the formation of one giant triangle. And at this point
Speaker 1: Bobby looks up. At this point, my friend B looks
Speaker 1: up and he starts waiting to sing it too. So
Speaker 1: we're standing there staring, and I can hear my friend's
Speaker 1: mom saying, come on, come get in the car, Come
Speaker 1: get in the car, Come on, come on. But we're
Speaker 1: just transfixed on these lights above us. And that whole
Speaker 1: that was probably about thirty seconds from seeing the one
Speaker 1: triangle fade to three triangles, fade to nine orbs, and
Speaker 1: then these things slow. They're still bobbing above me like
Speaker 1: it's like it's just hovering there, bobbing like a leaf.
Speaker 1: And then it breaks that triangle formation and these nine
Speaker 1: orbs go into like a single file line. They snake
Speaker 1: their way out over the bay. And at this point,
Speaker 1: sometime around here, my friend's mom looks up. She starts
Speaker 1: watching it, and then the kids that were in the car,
Speaker 1: d is watching it. The other kids that were in
Speaker 1: the car get out of the car and they start
Speaker 1: watching it. And these orbs they fly. They're in a
Speaker 1: formation of like a snake, like a single line, but
Speaker 1: it's not moving straight. It's moving like a snake would
Speaker 1: move in the grass, kind of snaking its way out
Speaker 1: in front of our vision towards the bay. And they're
Speaker 1: directly over the bay, so you have the one oh
Speaker 1: one freeway there and then this inlet of land where
Speaker 1: the ballpark is, and then the bay. They move away
Speaker 1: from the ballpark, away from us and into the bay,
Speaker 1: and as they get over the bay, they just start
Speaker 1: flying wild incredibly fast, faster than any conventional aircraft's. It
Speaker 1: was like watching fireflies, these nine orbs flying rapidly. We
Speaker 1: probably watched them for about two minutes and I and
Speaker 1: I remember like just feeling complete exhilaration. I think I realized, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm finally seeing seeing a UFO, really excited. And then
Speaker 1: so we're watching them, me, my friend's mom and four
Speaker 1: other kids, and then up from behind us comes the
Speaker 1: airplane and it's a small aircraft. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the whole time everything we saw it was completely silent,
Speaker 1: which other accounts, you know, says my But I think
Speaker 1: I first heard the plane coming and then I see
Speaker 1: this small plane come over us. It's like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know planes, but maybe a Cessna or something,
Speaker 1: the kind of planes you would see flying banners around games.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I thought it was at
Speaker 1: the time, one of those planes, and it is flying
Speaker 1: right towards the orbs, and then as it gets closer,
Speaker 1: the orbs all freeze, just stop dead, and then they disappear.
Speaker 1: They either they either flew off at rapid speed or
Speaker 1: just you know, went somewhere else. But they were there,
Speaker 1: flying like wildfireflies. This plane's getting close. They stop, then
Speaker 1: they're gone. And my friend's mom at this point, that's
Speaker 1: when I noticed she was like scared. I was excited.
Speaker 1: It seemed like most my friends were excited. He starts
Speaker 1: yelling at us, get in the car, Get in the car,
Speaker 1: Get in the car. And I remember her a barreling
Speaker 1: down the freeway to go home, and she was visibly
Speaker 1: scared shaken. And us kids, we were so excited. Were
Speaker 1: our heads or she had a station wagon. Our faces
Speaker 1: were glued to the window, looking out the window, trying
Speaker 1: to see them again. And it was this feeling of exhilaration.
Speaker 1: And I get home late, it was probably between nine
Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night, and I'm telling my parents this
Speaker 1: and my parents are kind of poo pooing it. I
Speaker 1: remember I wanted to call the police, and they I
Speaker 1: didn't know. It was before the internet and everything. I
Speaker 1: didn't know there was places you could report sightings. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to call the police. They were not having
Speaker 1: that at all. They kind of poo pooed the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And then my mom talked to my friend's mom the
Speaker 1: next day and she basically denied everything, said nothing happened.
Speaker 1: I got to school and most and most of the
Speaker 1: kids were still pretty excited about it, except for Be,
Speaker 1: the kid who had I had seen the most of
Speaker 1: this thing. He had seen the second most. He looked
Speaker 1: up second after me. He was kind of scared and
Speaker 1: he didn't want to talk about it at all. I
Speaker 1: think there's probably a week where me and D and
Speaker 1: C and P kind of talked about it a lot,
Speaker 1: but everyone fell off pretty much. I think we were
Speaker 1: getting teased a little bit, and my parents didn't believe. Well,
Speaker 1: my parents didn't want to talk about it. I learned
Speaker 1: later what really happened, but my friend's mom denied it,
Speaker 1: and so it was kind of a thing where we
Speaker 1: felt kind of a social pressure. I did, at least
Speaker 1: to not really talk about it, and to this day
Speaker 1: I regret not writing it down so I at least
Speaker 1: knew the exact date this happened. I couldn't nail that down.
Speaker 1: I found out years later that my friend's mom had,
Speaker 1: in fact said it happened happened to her. My mom
Speaker 1: told me this when I was in my twenties and
Speaker 1: I brought it up with her and she said yeah,
Speaker 1: she said it really happened. She was just really scared
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to talk about it, and that
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of killed me. I was so
Speaker 1: mad because I was like, you know, how many years
Speaker 1: I spent feeling like I was being gas lit and
Speaker 1: felt crazy for believe in this, And then it was
Speaker 1: completely exciting to have this experience. But I had a
Speaker 1: dual feeling as well, because I remember at that point
Speaker 1: feeling like it was a less valid experience because up
Speaker 1: until then, the books I was reading at the library
Speaker 1: without the Internet, the accounts of UFOs that I was
Speaker 1: reading about were these older accounts from the fifties and
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, and most of them were, you know,
Speaker 1: the saucer type sightings, and I don't think I found
Speaker 1: any accounts of black triangles or even orbs in the
Speaker 1: books I was reading. And it wasn't until later in
Speaker 1: the in the later nineties, when I've Internet and I'm
Speaker 1: looking up sightings and hearing about other things, and then
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Light's happening where I felt very validated and
Speaker 1: in what I saw. But those in those early years
Speaker 1: after I first saw it, I remember feeling kind of
Speaker 1: disappointed like what I saw didn't quite fit in with
Speaker 1: the lore I was familiar with, but it was it
Speaker 1: was something that changed me to a large extent. Like
Speaker 1: I had been someone I was kind of searching for
Speaker 1: finding answers to just like the mysteries around me. This
Speaker 1: kind of gave me a chip on my shoulder to
Speaker 1: some extent, like I knew like I had peered into
Speaker 1: some of the secret some of the secrets like behind
Speaker 1: the veil of the universe, you know, And and I
Speaker 1: changed from being like I had been somewhat of a
Speaker 1: conservative kid. My parents used to call me Alex P. Keaton,
Speaker 1: but I was kind of conservative in that, you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to be very proper and
Speaker 1: upright and have a lot of self self driven and
Speaker 1: survival of the fittest kind of mentality. I also was
Speaker 1: very very into the environment, though to me that kind
Speaker 1: of fit my conception of the world, as you have
Speaker 1: an obligation to take care of the planet. But kind
Speaker 1: of after seeing that, I changed a lot and started
Speaker 1: getting into a more more radical mindsets. And like that's
Speaker 1: when I would start getting into like punk rock and
Speaker 1: things like that, and being interested in radical politics and
Speaker 1: always feeling more comfortable entertaining outsider perspectives and unique points
Speaker 1: of view and different thoughts like I didn't after that,
Speaker 1: I never felt like I had to fit in to
Speaker 1: an extent, and I always just wanted to see that again,
Speaker 1: to experience that again. And since then, I've been, you know,
Speaker 1: searching the skies all the time, hoping to see something again.
Speaker 1: In my life, I've traveled places like New Mexico, I've
Speaker 1: been to Roswell, recently went camping in Mount Shasta, and
Speaker 1: I always take time to watch the skies and see something.
Speaker 1: And I haven't haven't seen a UFO since then, and
Speaker 1: which is which is kind of kind of disappointing, because
Speaker 1: I've always felt like they're not. It's this mystery isn't
Speaker 1: done with me. It's kind of driven my life to
Speaker 1: some extent. Interestingly, when I met my wife, she you know,
Speaker 1: when I meet someone, it's not long before I tell
Speaker 1: them my siding story. And when I met my wife,
Speaker 1: she's very empathic, and she has a lot of experiences
Speaker 1: in the paranormal realm, but it's more on like the
Speaker 1: ghost end of things. And she would always, you know,
Speaker 1: she would I would leave her to tell her stories.
Speaker 1: But She's had a lot of encounters with things of
Speaker 1: that nature, and we would always kind of rib each other.
Speaker 1: She would say, like, you don't I know, you don't
Speaker 1: believe my ghost stories, and I would just say, it's
Speaker 1: not that I believe you, but until I see something myself,
Speaker 1: I can't really have that empathy. And with the UFO thing,
Speaker 1: it was the same thing. But recently, since twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: I had a siding in our house we once lived
Speaker 1: in of a female in the room, and after that,
Speaker 1: it's that end of things has ramped up for me.
Speaker 1: But the feeling I get because I'd never really been
Speaker 1: interested in ghosts and things like that, but the feeling
Speaker 1: I got was when that happened was very similar. It
Speaker 1: felt to me like it's all part of the same thing.
Speaker 1: This one other experience that was pretty major to me.
Speaker 1: It was twenty twenty and my girlfriend at the time
Speaker 1: and I were going to take a trip to Hawaii
Speaker 1: with her family, and we were staying the night at
Speaker 1: her house prior to flying out to Hawaii the next day,
Speaker 1: and we were sitting in her backyard smoking a cigarette
Speaker 1: before bed I smoked at the time. We were sitting
Speaker 1: on her back porch just kind of staring off into
Speaker 1: the backyard smoking a cigarette, and we hear this pow,
Speaker 1: like a crack and a bang, something like a gunshop
Speaker 1: and not quiet, and then just felt this force blasted
Speaker 1: right at us, and all the gravel from her yard blew,
Speaker 1: blew up in the air, pelted us in the face
Speaker 1: and all over our body. But you could feel it too,
Speaker 1: You could feel like this giant woosh that came at
Speaker 1: us right after that sound. And then next to us
Speaker 1: on our right hand side was the neighbor's fence and
Speaker 1: this row of tall bushes, and you just hear something,
Speaker 1: something huge, running through those bushes down the side of
Speaker 1: the house. So it was a crack, a bang, a
Speaker 1: big woosh, and then something running through the house. And
Speaker 1: we look at each other and now this scared the
Speaker 1: hell out of me. We look at each other and
Speaker 1: we just run inside the house and lock the doors,
Speaker 1: get inside, and we tell her dad what had happened outside.
Speaker 1: He was a detective at the time for the local
Speaker 1: police there. We tell her this story. He kind of
Speaker 1: goes outside, looks around, doesn't see anything, and he calls
Speaker 1: into the police department because they had a system for
Speaker 1: detecting gunshots and nothing was detected. So unless you know
Speaker 1: their equipment was faulty, there was no gunshot. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that was. And that's like something that happened
Speaker 1: that I'm not sure what box to put it in,
Speaker 1: you know, UFO. It didn't scare me. Seeing a apparition
Speaker 1: didn't scare me, but this scared the hell out of me.
Speaker 1: And kind of returning to the more recent stage where
Speaker 1: we're at is, you know when in twenty twenty, I'm
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and my wife is in the adjacent room,
Speaker 1: and in my peripheral vision, I just see a woman
Speaker 1: walk by kind of the same height profile as my wife,
Speaker 1: So I think nothing of it, and then I walk
Speaker 1: into after I see or walk by, I think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's my wife walking into bed. So I walk into
Speaker 1: the room, but then my wife was already in bed
Speaker 1: under the covers, and I was like, WHOA, did you
Speaker 1: just see that? I just saw what I thought was
Speaker 1: you walk by it and it wasn't. And so that
Speaker 1: kind of I was like, huh, I think I've seen something,
Speaker 1: you know. And shortly after there, you know, my wife
Speaker 1: and I we had our first kid, We moved, decided
Speaker 1: to move we were living in Los Angeles. Then we
Speaker 1: moved back to the Bay Area to be closer to family.
Speaker 1: COVID and having a child really put things in perspective
Speaker 1: for us. So we kind of changed careers, moved back
Speaker 1: to the Bay Area, and we're living in the house
Speaker 1: we're living in now. Stuff just started happening like like crazy.
Speaker 1: We had, you know, would have objects go miss and
Speaker 1: then show up in strange places we had. We would
Speaker 1: have lights flickering unexpectedly. I saw a door to our
Speaker 1: closet just close on its own one time. And then
Speaker 1: we had this galaxy kind of light thing in my
Speaker 1: son's room that you know, spins and shine stars on
Speaker 1: the wall. That thing kept falling off the shelf. Every
Speaker 1: few nights, it would fall off the shelf, fall off
Speaker 1: the shelf, and then I one day just took it
Speaker 1: and I said, I got to figure this out. And
Speaker 1: then I put it close to the wall and I
Speaker 1: saw that, Okay, if it's spinning and it hits the wall,
Speaker 1: it can kind of fall off. But I had to
Speaker 1: set it on this kind of ledge to do that.
Speaker 1: So I show my wife and she kind of felt
Speaker 1: We kind of felt better about it, and it stopped happening.
Speaker 1: But you know, in reality, when I put it there
Speaker 1: without putting it on the ledge, it doesn't fall off.
Speaker 1: I think I kind of manipulated that to kind of
Speaker 1: assuage our fears. And then we have incidents where we
Speaker 1: hear feet running on the floorboards in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night. She'll hear it, or I'll hear it, or
Speaker 1: we'll both hear it. And then on one occasion a
Speaker 1: couple months ago, I heard a little girl like laughing,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like it feels like it's not
Speaker 1: something that's scary. It feels like something playful is happening.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting to me because like something in me,
Speaker 1: you know, is saying that this is all kind of
Speaker 1: part of the same phenomenon. When I think about the
Speaker 1: UFO I saw, which I would categorize as like the
Speaker 1: most significant life changing event I've had in my life
Speaker 1: related to anything paranormal. You know, one of the things
Speaker 1: that always ate at me about it as a young
Speaker 1: kid and growing into adulthood is I always conceptualized UFOs
Speaker 1: and these crafts as you know, something you see in
Speaker 1: alien flying in But that didn't really fit with what
Speaker 1: I saw because seeing it morph from a triangle, huge
Speaker 1: triangle into these tiny white orbs. I couldn't imagine a
Speaker 1: physical pilot sitting in there, so something when I would
Speaker 1: really think about it and try to break it down,
Speaker 1: I just got the feeling that this was something more organic.
Speaker 1: The UFO was the life form itself, because I can't
Speaker 1: see pilots discreetly flying these nine white orbs. And then
Speaker 1: if it morphs into three discrete crafts that then morph
Speaker 1: in moreh from like one giant craft, where's all the
Speaker 1: where's all the real estate in that giant UFO? If
Speaker 1: it can morph into orbs and it even to this day,
Speaker 1: it feels like such a unique experience because you see
Speaker 1: occurrences of sightings that are triangles, and you read about
Speaker 1: occurrences of orbs. But I don't think I have found
Speaker 1: another occasion where it's like transformed like that from a
Speaker 1: giant triangle to three triangles to nine orbs. But these experiences,
Speaker 1: they all feel like they're coming from the same same
Speaker 1: thing to me.
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Speaker 1: It's time it is the x x X. But as
Speaker 1: far as the recent experiences we've had since twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: in the house, my wife, she'll sage the house and
Speaker 1: things will kind of calm down, and then they'll start,
Speaker 1: after a little while, start getting excited again. And it's
Speaker 1: interesting to me that this all kind of coincided with
Speaker 1: the birth of our son. He's four now, and him
Speaker 1: growing up, and like our life's changed so much, We
Speaker 1: went through so much change and we grew closer together.
Speaker 1: So like I kind of feel like me growing into
Speaker 1: sharing these experiences with her is kind of a part
Speaker 1: of that. Like I think, for whatever reason, my consciousness
Speaker 1: is able to perceive these things now because she touched
Speaker 1: me in that way, like I'm having experiences that are
Speaker 1: more akin to what she's experienced her whole life because
Speaker 1: of that closeness, that proximity, all the change we've had together.
Speaker 1: So like when we recently went camping and Mount Chasta,
Speaker 1: I got her to go look out at the stars
Speaker 1: with me and I sent good vibes out to the
Speaker 1: universe and I was like, today's when you're going to
Speaker 1: come into my world and we're going to see a UFO.
Speaker 1: And it just didn't happen. To my disappointment, I always
Speaker 1: had a sense and a feeling like it's not done
Speaker 1: with me. In a lot of ways, it made me
Speaker 1: who I am and set me on a certain path.
Speaker 1: And I know for us, like at some point we're
Speaker 1: going to have that experience together. But I'm always I'm
Speaker 1: always seeking and trying to open myself up to these experiences.
Speaker 1: For instance, intermittently throughout my life, I've tried yoga practices, meditation,
Speaker 1: none of that, none of them religiously or consistently. But
Speaker 1: about this time, when all the paranormal type experiences were
Speaker 1: happening in our house, I had been trying in a
Speaker 1: phase where I'd been trying to meditate and taking a
Speaker 1: little time each day to sit there relax, and I'm
Speaker 1: not following any particular method, but I was having some
Speaker 1: effect of deep relaxation. And for a long time I
Speaker 1: was very distracted by I have a tenitis in my
Speaker 1: left ear. And then one night I just said to myself,
Speaker 1: instead of fighting against the tonightis and wishing it wasn't
Speaker 1: there distracting me, why don't I just focus on it.
Speaker 1: And so I found if I focus on the sound
Speaker 1: of my tenaidis, which is a little bit like a
Speaker 1: tea kettle, like a if I focus on that sound,
Speaker 1: I I found it quite effective. Actually, I started getting calm,
Speaker 1: relaxing and would get in get into these modes where
Speaker 1: I start kind of hearing other tones, and it was
Speaker 1: it's quite a pleasant experience to feel the feel the
Speaker 1: other tones and that, and so it was it was
Speaker 1: working really well for what I was going for, which
Speaker 1: is calming myself and opening myself up. And then this
Speaker 1: the last time I did it it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was, but I haven't done it since then
Speaker 1: because I had a really intense experience where I was
Speaker 1: doing that, and then the tonalities just went wild. It
Speaker 1: was like almost musical with a lot of dissonant tones overlapping,
Speaker 1: and I felt my body body vibrating. I've started feeling
Speaker 1: an intense pressure on the top of my skull towards
Speaker 1: the back of my head, and then I just started
Speaker 1: seeing these fractals and it was like overlapping thoughts. I
Speaker 1: would see these fractals of kind of like one of
Speaker 1: those balls kids play with where they expand wide and
Speaker 1: then go go short and then go get small and
Speaker 1: expand out. I was like going in and out and
Speaker 1: in and out, and I just felt and I felt,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was expanding out of my body
Speaker 1: and then contracting into it. And then I just had
Speaker 1: this thought is this a molecule? Is this a universe?
Speaker 1: And then something just said yes, it's all of it.
Speaker 1: And I remember getting scared in the experience, but at
Speaker 1: the same time thinking like I'm onto something here. But
Speaker 1: since then, I've just kind of paused that thing. But
Speaker 1: I've been intending to when I'm brave enough to try
Speaker 1: to do it again, because I think it's just emblematic
Speaker 1: of I'm curious and excited and leaning into the mysteries
Speaker 1: of the world and wanting to see these UFOs and things.
Speaker 1: But then part of me is also scared, like it's
Speaker 1: like almost like I'm slowly easing myself into the waters.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I just have a feeling it's not
Speaker 1: done with me yet. And I have a feeling it's
Speaker 1: something i'll experience again, namely I'll experience it with my wife,
Speaker 1: and because I think the more recent experiences have shown
Speaker 1: me that we're creating a bridge between our worlds, me
Speaker 1: and her. And yeah, it's a feeling of disappointment that
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the UFO again, but it's also a
Speaker 1: feeling of knowing that I will have that again. As
Speaker 1: far as all the discussion since twenty seventeen about disclosure,
Speaker 1: I don't spend too much time worrying or getting excited
Speaker 1: about disclosure from the government or because for me, that
Speaker 1: disclosure came in nineteen ninety two. You know, when I
Speaker 1: saw that UFO, I know this phenomenon is real. I
Speaker 1: know the world we live in is a lot more
Speaker 1: complex than we have any idea, and there's a great
Speaker 1: mystery beyond the veil. The only thing that I would
Speaker 1: hope I think disclosure has to be on an individual level,
Speaker 1: because you know, we've had earthshaking revelations from all these
Speaker 1: people in power, and it hasn't changed the conversation in
Speaker 1: the broader sense. And I think that's because people denial
Speaker 1: is a very strong evolutionary impulse, and until people are
Speaker 1: touched in their lives kind of like how I was,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be willing to see that themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of the totality of all my experiences.
Speaker 1: Some of them I have one hundred percent clarity absolutely happened.
Speaker 1: The UFO siding, My memory is solid, The big backyard
Speaker 1: Woosh experience, my memory is one hundred percent solid. And
Speaker 1: then I have these nice, little fudgy maybe something's there,
Speaker 1: weird little memories that I'm not sure how to compart mentalize,
Speaker 1: but I have a suspicion something something happened there too.
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff. Jared, Wow, a lot has gone on, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, incredibly grateful
Speaker 1: for that first sighting I've had and the experiences I've had,
Speaker 1: because I don't know who I would have been, where
Speaker 1: my life would have led without them. And yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: happy with who I am, and I feel lucky to
Speaker 1: have to have been able to see things that many
Speaker 1: people don't get to see, and it's good.
Speaker 2: That kind of made the bond stronger with you and
Speaker 2: your wife. You know, she'd ha been having these these
Speaker 2: paranormal experiences. This subject kind of brings people together closer,
Speaker 2: I think opens up a bit of discussion. It's the
Speaker 2: paranormal stuff in your house. Is your present house now,
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, and it's and it's still happening. It was
Speaker 1: just about I think last month where I heard a
Speaker 1: little girl around one am just like giggling and laughing,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's It's not something that's scary to me.
Speaker 1: It's because it's a it's a playful energy. She'll sage
Speaker 1: the house every once in a while and it'll kind
Speaker 1: of calm down for a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, but the things just end up happening again. How
Speaker 2: often do things happen roughly? Is there much of a
Speaker 2: space between.
Speaker 1: There's There's been periods where it's frequently and I forgot
Speaker 1: to mention some things like and it's not always in
Speaker 1: the house either. There was it likes to grab me.
Speaker 1: We were a couple blocks away from our house going
Speaker 1: out for a burger one night and we're getting out
Speaker 1: of the car and I feel just like a pinch
Speaker 1: on my lower left side, and I think it's my
Speaker 1: wife playfully pinching me, and I turn around and say hey,
Speaker 1: and then I see she's ten feet away from me,
Speaker 1: and I go, Okay, that was weird. Another time, I'm
Speaker 1: with my son in the bedroom and I feel a
Speaker 1: pinch in the same spot. I'm like leaning down changing
Speaker 1: as diaper and I feel a pinch in the same spot.
Speaker 1: And then another time we're in the car and I
Speaker 1: feel a pole on my seatbelt and this time I
Speaker 1: feel like fingers on my stomach and like a gentle
Speaker 1: pole on my seatbelt where it buckles in. And again
Speaker 1: I think it's my wife and I give her a
Speaker 1: look in the rear view mirror, like hey, what are
Speaker 1: you doing. I was thinking she's being playful with me,
Speaker 1: and then she's just like what and I was like,
Speaker 1: you just grab me? And no, no, I didn't. And
Speaker 1: so it's things like that, And for a while it
Speaker 1: tended to be like every night you're hearing something or
Speaker 1: you're seeing lights flicker, or the remote's gone missing, and
Speaker 1: then the next thing you know, it's hidden somewhere. It
Speaker 1: would never be and I think things like that, and
Speaker 1: it'll be very frequent, almost every day. But then then
Speaker 1: now it's like you might go a week or two
Speaker 1: weeks or a month without something happening, but then something
Speaker 1: will happen.
Speaker 2: But it's mostly in the house. You right now, how
Speaker 2: long have you been there for?
Speaker 1: We've been here a little over a year. We moved
Speaker 1: in here. Yeah, it got to the point where we
Speaker 1: called the landlord and kind of embarrassingly, were like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's the story of this house? Did something happen here?
Speaker 1: And she said, no, I've built the house myself in
Speaker 1: the nineties. I haven't heard anything strange happening. But there's
Speaker 1: definitely something here.
Speaker 2: You know, our last house, we lived in a place
Speaker 2: and a few strange things had gone on. The land lord,
Speaker 2: he never never said anything. And it wasn't until we
Speaker 2: were there a year before my next door neighbor, you know,
Speaker 2: we got he got closer, a lot closer to him,
Speaker 2: and he finally plugged up the courage. And now he
Speaker 2: didn't know what I did. He didn't know about the
Speaker 2: show or anything like that at the time. He asked
Speaker 2: me one day, if you you know you have noticed
Speaker 2: anything strange in the house, and we had a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff in the house. And also we could hear
Speaker 2: in his house. Course he would be at work all day,
Speaker 2: so we would hear these footsteps going up and down
Speaker 2: the stairs, and I knew he was out, so I'll
Speaker 2: go knock on the door, and sure enough, there was
Speaker 2: no one there. So we tell him stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But he had said that the previous occupant, she was single,
Speaker 2: but she had a young daughter, and she would say
Speaker 2: noises in the house and there be she'd be taking
Speaker 2: pictures of orbs and all that kind of thing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we never saw anything like that. But my next door
Speaker 2: neighbor did say that he did come home one day.
Speaker 2: He makes his bed every morning, and he came back
Speaker 2: and went to get changed, and he could he noticed
Speaker 2: that there was a figure of an imprint of a
Speaker 2: person and lying on his bed, and he knew he'd
Speaker 2: make it. And then my neighbor on the other side
Speaker 2: he said he'd been there many many years, and he
Speaker 2: said a blokecoptually did pass away in the house.
Speaker 1: He died dead, So okay, yeah, that could do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I think it's my sense when
Speaker 1: I started seeing these things too. Is something in me
Speaker 1: is saying it's like all part of the same thing,
Speaker 1: or it's part of the same energy. I need to
Speaker 1: start writing things down, because as I think about it,
Speaker 1: I just remembering more and more. Like I just remembered
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. We were lying in bed
Speaker 1: and watching TV and I look over and I see
Speaker 1: this blue aura. Our door was closed, and I see
Speaker 1: this blue aura just like pass through the door and
Speaker 1: then dissipate as it came into the room. And we
Speaker 1: were both awake, and I told my wife what I
Speaker 1: just saw. And it's just kind of those things where
Speaker 1: it's been happening so frequently that you just it just
Speaker 1: kind of it feels almost insignificant just because of the
Speaker 1: frequency of it. I've I've been with her for fourteen
Speaker 1: years now, and she's this is new to me, but
Speaker 1: she has a whole host of her She sees a
Speaker 1: lot and has had a lot of experiences like this,
Speaker 1: and it's only new to me since like twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and then especially more recently the last year.
Speaker 2: And she is seeing the same hearing the same things
Speaker 2: as you. Yes, yeah, is she sitting of the figure?
Speaker 1: No, that it was just only I saw it. I
Speaker 1: was looking over in that direction and caught it. She
Speaker 1: had not here, but she sees she has seen. It's
Speaker 1: her own story to tell, but she has seen like
Speaker 1: figures elsewhere get my parents' house and her friend's houses
Speaker 1: and other places. So for her, she does get a
Speaker 1: lot of visual apparition sightings. For me, I've only had
Speaker 1: kind of I would say the two visuals the blue
Speaker 1: aura I saw a couple of weeks ago, and then
Speaker 1: the first time in our last house where I saw
Speaker 1: a figure pass by. I'm just like, there's going to
Speaker 1: come a day in our life where she has that
Speaker 1: UFO experience, and that's what I'm really excited for and
Speaker 1: waiting for.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully we'll both get the chance at the same time.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you like a weird synchronicity that happened
Speaker 1: the other day when we were going to record. I like,
Speaker 1: because I was feeling nervous about it. Like at this
Speaker 1: stage in life, I'm pretty open and if you know me,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my stories and I'm not scared like
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager of people's impression of me.
Speaker 1: But I was nervous about talking to you, and I
Speaker 1: was just telling my wife about your show, and then
Speaker 1: I went to pull up your Twitter to show her it,
Speaker 1: and you have this video. The first video that you
Speaker 1: had on the Twitter at the time was a Travis
Speaker 1: music video. And I was just like, Oh, to me,
Speaker 1: that was such a big synchronicity. Because my son, he's
Speaker 1: in a stage where he's curious about music, so I'll
Speaker 1: introduce him to a band and maybe play their music
Speaker 1: for like a week. But for the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks that band was Travis. I was when I bade
Speaker 1: them at night, I'm singing him a Travis song. I'm
Speaker 1: playing them on the radio. Earlier that day, we had
Speaker 1: just been listening to a Travis album. And then when
Speaker 1: I went to I'm having these nerves about talking to you,
Speaker 1: and then I go to pull up your Twitter to
Speaker 1: show it to my wife, and like, the first video
Speaker 1: on there's a Travis video. I just thought that was
Speaker 1: a weird synchronosity, and that kind of confirmed for me
Speaker 1: for like, oh, yeah, it's the right thing to do,
Speaker 1: you know, at this time, to tell your story and
Speaker 1: feel comfortable telling it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think the universe sends out the signals. Sometimes
Speaker 2: we get an awful lot of synchronosities, and yeah, sure enough.
Speaker 2: That was a few days ago I posted about Travis.
Speaker 2: It's a great music video with a nice UFO theme.
Speaker 2: It was actually a song I hadn't heard in years,
Speaker 2: and I actually saw it live. It was a Dublin Castle,
Speaker 2: great song. Great, Actually the whole album is pretty good. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: But you know, my guests get these synchronosies all the time,
Speaker 2: and I think the universe sends out messages and pushes
Speaker 2: you in certain directions because we don't so believe in
Speaker 2: coincidence on this show.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah, yeah, I've come to that point of
Speaker 1: view myself.
Speaker 2: I mean, you had such an interesting UFO site in
Speaker 2: different times when it comes to the internet, back in
Speaker 2: the great early nineties.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You obviously didn't get a chance to report it.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I reported it recently because recently I've
Speaker 1: been It's always been not far from the front of
Speaker 1: my mind, but recently I've just been thinking about it
Speaker 1: a lot, and I you know, I said to myself,
Speaker 1: because I'll go on I'll go on different sites, try
Speaker 1: to find if other people have had a similar sighting,
Speaker 1: and so like, I think it's new fork. I think
Speaker 1: on the sites I check a lot, and I just
Speaker 1: thought to myself, if I'm if I'm checking so frequently
Speaker 1: and no one's posting it, why don't I post it,
Speaker 1: because then maybe someone like me who may be checking
Speaker 1: it frequently. Because one of the things that's always bothered
Speaker 1: me about this sighting is that this ballpark is right
Speaker 1: adjacent to the one to one Freeway, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: the main thoroughfare from the South Bay area to the
Speaker 1: North Bay Area. It's how you drive into San Francisco,
Speaker 1: so hundreds of people would have been driving by, and
Speaker 1: other people had to have seen it, and so I
Speaker 1: just know other people had seen it, and that the
Speaker 1: pilot of that plane had to have seen it. And
Speaker 1: I went so far a couple months ago to start
Speaker 1: calling the banner flying companies around here, and I talked
Speaker 1: to two companies which may have had planes flying banners
Speaker 1: around that area that night, and neither that one of
Speaker 1: them was kind of interested, but they didn't know any
Speaker 1: of the people who worked at that time, and then
Speaker 1: the other company just never returned my call. But it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things I'm curious. So I did
Speaker 1: report it to Newfork recently, and then I think there's
Speaker 1: an app. I'm forgetting the name of it now, but
Speaker 1: there's an app where you can put in sidings. I
Speaker 1: put it on there as well, So hopefully I'm hopeful
Speaker 1: someone else who had seen it would see that, and
Speaker 1: then maybe they'll say, hey, I saw I was driving
Speaker 1: the one on one freeway that night and saw the
Speaker 1: same thing. And something I forgot to mention is like,
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those I'm not a person who
Speaker 1: you know, thinks everything's all about me. But something about
Speaker 1: that siding it felt very personal then and still to
Speaker 1: this day, because I was the first one compelled to
Speaker 1: look up at it, and my friend standing next to
Speaker 1: me b he was resistant to look up at it,
Speaker 1: but then looked up, and then my friend's mom and
Speaker 1: the other kids. My friend's mom was, you know, before
Speaker 1: they looked up, there was a good probably thirty forty
Speaker 1: seconds where instead of just looking up at what I
Speaker 1: was looking at there, she was yelling, get looking in
Speaker 1: the car, getting the car. And then I remember, after
Speaker 1: everything scattered and the ship scattered, I briefly looked over
Speaker 1: and I saw a family, a dad, a mom, and
Speaker 1: a kid packing their stuff in the car and getting
Speaker 1: in the car themselves, and it was obvious they hadn't
Speaker 1: seen anything. So there was there was a sense in
Speaker 1: me that something me to see it and compelled other
Speaker 1: people not to see it. And I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if many people were driving that one on one freeway
Speaker 1: drove right by it and didn't see it. I think
Speaker 1: there's something about this phenomenon that if your heart and
Speaker 1: mind aren't open in the right way at the right time,
Speaker 1: it'll be right there in front of you and you
Speaker 1: just won't see it. So a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of the way I live is just taking moments to
Speaker 1: look up at the sky and say like, I'm here
Speaker 1: and I'm open right now. And if you want to
Speaker 1: show yourself like I'm here, because yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: need to have that mentality for it to become present
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those strange key things with it.
Speaker 2: We touched on this very very early on the show.
Speaker 2: One of my guests he coined the term alien apathy,
Speaker 2: where one person was seeing another person that was what
Speaker 2: was there at a time, either didn't see it or
Speaker 2: was completely disinterested and just wanted to carry on and
Speaker 2: what they were doing. So that is strange in itself
Speaker 2: when it comes to during that time, you had the
Speaker 2: Hudson Valley sightings the late eighties and early nineties where
Speaker 2: thousands of people it's in this object. So that's the
Speaker 2: same object but completely different sighting.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said this large triangular black object. You said
Speaker 2: it turned into smaller orbs. Yeah, nine orbs altogether. Was
Speaker 2: it like a fade out or was it instantaneous?
Speaker 1: It was like a fade out, So there was a
Speaker 1: fade from the center of the large single triangle, but
Speaker 1: that one had an orange light to it that faded
Speaker 1: in and then faded out. And then with each of
Speaker 1: the three black triangles, they just kind of faded out
Speaker 1: from their center, and as they faded out, their corners
Speaker 1: became like brilliant light. And then as the triangle disappeared,
Speaker 1: it dissolved into instead of being a solid triangle, three
Speaker 1: wide orbs. So you have once it was manifested as
Speaker 1: the nine orbs, you no longer saw the three black triangles,
Speaker 1: but you saw nine orbs in the shape of one
Speaker 1: giant triangle with three triangles inside of it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got it. I got a tattoo of it when I
Speaker 1: was eighteen because I was like, you know, just just
Speaker 1: so defined me. Then that kind of sketched it out
Speaker 1: and went and got a tattoo of it.
Speaker 2: So now it's yeah, so it's definitely part of you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So you were at the Candlestick Point that was that
Speaker 2: the area, it.
Speaker 1: Was a ballpark called Candlestick Park. It's the Giant it
Speaker 1: was the Giants ballpark. They no longer play there. They
Speaker 1: play it like I think it's called three Com Park.
Speaker 1: It's closer to downtown San Francisco. So now if you
Speaker 1: go there, I think the I think the ballpark's completely gone.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like Marshlands. And then the area
Speaker 1: where we had the car park, where we were on
Speaker 1: this hillside adjacent to the ballpark, that's a housing development now,
Speaker 1: so houses were built there. One of the things I've
Speaker 1: even thought about doing is sending letters to the people
Speaker 1: who live there now saying like, hey, I was like
Speaker 1: standing where your house was this many years ago. Do
Speaker 1: you guys ever see anything out your windows? Because you
Speaker 1: know I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if something manifested
Speaker 1: in that same area. And every time I drive by it,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'll drive by it often when I'm
Speaker 1: driving up and down the bay and I always look
Speaker 1: over and it takes me back to that moment in time,
Speaker 1: and I just wonder if I'll see something right there again.
Speaker 2: It's possible.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: The good thing is because you went to this game
Speaker 2: it was nine nine two, you were able to then
Speaker 2: backtrack the actual Pacific Day day it all happened because
Speaker 2: it was a major game day.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And I wish I remembered what team played
Speaker 1: because there I do have written down somewhere, because I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was early April nineteen ninety two, so
Speaker 1: I know they are home games that played in the
Speaker 1: evening that month, So I kind of narrowed it down
Speaker 1: to it could be one of these like four days.
Speaker 1: But there was something bizarre that, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: why I didn't write it down, Probably the same reason
Speaker 1: like all the experiences I've been having recently, I haven't
Speaker 1: written down like I write other things down and I
Speaker 1: write grocery lists and stuff, like why don't I write
Speaker 1: the date in time that these things happened down? So
Speaker 1: it kind of I'm quite disappointed I didn't at least
Speaker 1: make an account of it when it happened of the
Speaker 1: date and time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always good to have a little paranormal notebook,
Speaker 2: you know, especially if you're experiencing activity, you know, might
Speaker 2: find some patterns. And also with UFO siting, I implore
Speaker 2: people anyone that's had a UFO site, no matter how historic,
Speaker 2: try and write down as much information as you can
Speaker 2: and do report it to either a new folk or
Speaker 2: move on. Yes, because you know, like you said, there's
Speaker 2: always people which are training through these websites trying to
Speaker 2: find sitings similar to their own. So it's always good
Speaker 2: to do that, even if it was fifty odd years ago,
Speaker 2: try and report it if you can. People looking for it.
Speaker 2: Researchers are looking for similar cases and that, so it's
Speaker 2: always a good idea. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I went and went ahead and reported
Speaker 1: it a couple of months ago, because I do hope
Speaker 1: that someone else would have seen that event from a
Speaker 1: different perspective and can corroborate it, you know, just to
Speaker 1: get that extra corroboration for me. Maybe they maybe they
Speaker 1: know the date it happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I've had listeners email in that
Speaker 2: they heard a particular guest, this other person was there
Speaker 2: at the exact time and they witnessed the same thing.
Speaker 2: So I mean that I actually have two years later
Speaker 2: after I've released the episode, So it does happen, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's good to have all those all those details,
Speaker 2: and especially if you sometimes you're in a situation where
Speaker 2: you're the only one seeing it, having someone else to
Speaker 2: back you up. Yes, So this object, so it was
Speaker 2: right above you, right above the car park. It's large
Speaker 2: object moved out towards the Bay area. Which directions did
Speaker 2: it head?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 2: It went to three months that kind of area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it went south, so it was directly above me,
Speaker 1: smack dab above me, and then it moved south, probably
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards or more until it was out
Speaker 1: probably about five hundred yards, until it was out above
Speaker 1: the bay. And that's when it started doing the nine orbs.
Speaker 1: Started flying like a firefly, unbelievable speed, like so fast.
Speaker 1: I could only compare it to fireflies, like buzzing around.
Speaker 2: Interesting to see. So, if there's any listeners out there
Speaker 2: that you remember being in the Bay area back in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two and you think you may have seen
Speaker 2: something similar to Jared, do get in contact. Yes please,
Speaker 2: I'd love that, and we'd like to know if you've
Speaker 2: got a similar tattoo. Yeah, good stuff. Okay. You know
Speaker 2: you started at the very beginning with your brother's past
Speaker 2: life experience when he was talking about this. Do you
Speaker 2: remember what kind of age he was from.
Speaker 1: I'd say probably from like two to five. It was
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Yeah, And that kind of opened
Speaker 1: up mystery into the world for me. And I remember
Speaker 1: at the time part of me felt kind of jealous
Speaker 1: because these weird things were happening and it was kind
Speaker 1: of exciting my parents, and it kind of made him
Speaker 1: a little special. So I had a little brotherly jealousy
Speaker 1: of that, and I think that kind of set me
Speaker 1: on the path about I want something strange to happen
Speaker 1: to me. But it was a lot of talk about
Speaker 1: He would talk about his other brother, the other brother
Speaker 1: died in the war, he was from Wales, things like that.
Speaker 2: And he stopped talking about all this roughly about the
Speaker 2: age of five years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes when he was five. And he has no
Speaker 1: recollection now of it. You know, he believes my parents
Speaker 1: when they tell him about it, but he has no
Speaker 1: recollection of saying any of that stuff or remembering any
Speaker 1: of that and just kind of shut off like a valve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem to have that cutoff point. This
Speaker 2: happens all over the world. Many document wonderfully documented accounts
Speaker 2: of this happening, and it always seems to be a
Speaker 2: child which is in a place where they, you know,
Speaker 2: they'd have absolutely no knowledge of any of this in
Speaker 2: the case of your brother with whales, And there's always
Speaker 2: this cut off points. We're being reincarnated, We've come from
Speaker 2: our past life to our present one, and as we're
Speaker 2: starting to live this life and gather information, it's like
Speaker 2: that then stops, you know, that's the end of that life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we continue on. And I remember the first time I
Speaker 2: heard about past life experiences. I must have been about
Speaker 2: seven or eight years old, and I remember thinking, why
Speaker 2: don't I remember anything? That's my mum, but never spoke
Speaker 2: anything anything like that. Years later, my mother ended up
Speaker 2: doing all the past life aggression and she had strange
Speaker 2: little little things that she she came out in her hypnosis.
Speaker 2: So it's always fascinated me that subject.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like there's definitely something else. It's clarification that
Speaker 2: this isn't the only life we're going to have not lightsight,
Speaker 2: keep on having these new.
Speaker 1: Lives comforting in a sense to me when I when
Speaker 1: I think about it, Yeah, I'm and my son is
Speaker 1: four years old now, and I've never tried to prod
Speaker 1: anything out of him or or project anything onto him.
Speaker 1: But I'll I'll have conversations with him where I just
Speaker 1: I talk, try to talk to him about his dreams
Speaker 1: and if he remembers them, try to make him feel
Speaker 1: comfortable telling me as much as he can about him.
Speaker 1: And then I'll talk to him about memory, like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the earliest memory you have? And try
Speaker 1: to explain what memory is. And I haven't gotten any
Speaker 1: signs or anything that he doesn't seem to have that
Speaker 1: same experience that my brother had. But I try to
Speaker 1: leave create like a space where if he did that
Speaker 1: would that would come through. But for whatever reason, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to have that experience at this point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's something which definitely happens to
Speaker 2: all of us. You know, when we come into this
Speaker 2: world in our new form, there's got to be like
Speaker 2: a switch that gets flicked and.
Speaker 1: Then you now begin this.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think for some people that switch remains unflicked.
Speaker 2: So then hence, yah, when they remember, And it usually
Speaker 2: happens in the form of a child seeing maybe like
Speaker 2: a picture from from World War Two of a plane maybe,
Speaker 2: or so see there's a documentary on and he just
Speaker 2: catches that and he says something, Oh, I remember flying him,
Speaker 2: or Yeah. That's usually what happens.
Speaker 1: It's almost like a painting. Sometimes you know, the lines
Speaker 1: stay these discrete lines, but then sometimes the paint blends together.
Speaker 1: And I think some people, for whatever reason, just have
Speaker 1: a little bleed through from one from one life to
Speaker 1: the next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all have these experiences, and I think most
Speaker 2: of the time, yeah, we just simply don't remember. And
Speaker 2: that might come from from maybe trauma, and that may
Speaker 2: have been trauma in a past life. That could be
Speaker 2: a part of it. Who knows, But yeah, it certainly
Speaker 2: is fascinating.
Speaker 1: Definitely. And are you still friends with all those guys? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's That's another thing that's interesting to me, is like
Speaker 1: you have this profound ex experience with someone and it
Speaker 1: you know, first when we went back to school, it
Speaker 1: was kind of the kind of thing where we were
Speaker 1: all excited about it. But as you talk about it,
Speaker 1: it's something that sets you apart from the other kids.
Speaker 1: So I think we were kind of teased a little
Speaker 1: bit the first week back to school talking about it,
Speaker 1: so almost immediately after they all stopped talking about it
Speaker 1: and didn't want to talk about it. Then we kind
Speaker 1: of drifted apart as friends. But we went to the
Speaker 1: same high school. So it was the kind of thing
Speaker 1: where one day I remember one of the kids see
Speaker 1: calling me up and calling me into a group he
Speaker 1: was telling some people about it. He's like, oh, Jared,
Speaker 1: come here, come. So it's that kind of thing where
Speaker 1: every once in a while we would cross paths like
Speaker 1: it happened at our high school reunion too, and then
Speaker 1: when that happened, it's like yeah, and we would talk
Speaker 1: about it for a minute. But we all grew apart
Speaker 1: as people. Like Facebook messaged one of them a while
Speaker 1: ago just asking if they remember, and they said, yeah,
Speaker 1: they remember, But for whatever reason, we all drifted apart.
Speaker 1: And the one kid be who saw the most of
Speaker 1: it with me, I saw after me. He saw like
Speaker 1: I don't think my friends or my friend's mom even
Speaker 1: saw when it was a triangle. They just saw when
Speaker 1: it was orbs. But he my friend B who saw
Speaker 1: her was a triangle. He would never talk about it again.
Speaker 1: He was like and he was the most he was
Speaker 1: like church going and religious, and I kind of thought
Speaker 1: that was why he just would not talk about it
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would like to say that's really rare, but no,
Speaker 2: that's usually what happens. And the person I saw it
Speaker 2: with is either scared disinterested. Yeah, that happens.
Speaker 1: Strange.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is very strange. This is what we
Speaker 2: love strangeness. Okay, Jared, I really appreciate you coming on
Speaker 2: and sharing it all for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. Nicko's great talking to you.
Speaker 2: Keeping contact all right, and we will speak soon. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: we'll do take care of yourself.
Speaker 1: Bye for now. Bye.
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Speaker 2: dot com. A big fanga to Gerard for sharing tonight,
Speaker 2: and thank you all for listening. I will be back
Speaker 2: next week. Till then, Stay safe and keep watching the skies.
Speaker 2: Goodbye came