WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:08.039 a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.480 thirty one. Do you wish to report a. 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.960 UFO over hey, we wanted one of those. 5 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:16.559 Areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a report 6 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:19.760 of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what kind 7 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:23.120 of reports clouds time areas thirty one? 8 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:24.960 Me neither there. 9 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:29.960 See if it was anybody a U above us to 10 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:32.280 pass us, like thirty seconds ago, we. 11 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:37.960 Were sending one of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah, 12 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.039 it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over. 13 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:42.759 God. 14 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.119 I don't know what it was, but it's from at 15 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.079 least to three thousand feet above us. 16 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:48.399 See, I passed right over the top. 17 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.679 Of US ninety one one. 18 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.039 You just called both to be be four. 19 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:03.719 They're after staying the airplanes, he sere to God. More 20 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:08.120 calm on an unidentified object every liberty or call or 21 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.200 calm on an unidentified flying object. 22 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:19.120 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share 23 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:24.400 their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had 24 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.480 an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 25 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.519 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 26 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:50.480 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. 27 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.799 How are you all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this 28 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:58.480 is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Jared, coming 29 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.239 to us from the state of Cana and he will 30 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:05.120 be sharing two major encounters and a myriad of minor 31 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:09.199 strange experiences. The most profound he had was a sighting 32 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.039 of a UFO that transformed from one giant triangle into 33 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.159 nine orbs in the San Francisco Bay Area in nineteen 34 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.520 ninety two. Jared is up next, but first, if you 35 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.719 enjoyed the show and you would like to help support 36 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:26.479 the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as 37 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.960 little as one dollar a month. Head on over to 38 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:33.560 patreon dot com forward slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can 39 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:36.080 also find a link in the description of this episode. 40 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.400 Any help is very much appreciated. 41 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:57.439 Now on the show, Hello Jared, Welcome to the podcast. 42 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:02.199 Hi Nick, Thanks for to me today. I'm Jared. I 43 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:06.240 live in the East Bay of California. That's like the 44 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.240 San Francisco Bay Area I live. It's a suburb of Oakland, 45 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:13.599 the city. I live in Castro Valley and I've lived 46 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:17.520 all over California. I grew up in Redwood City, a 47 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.719 town that's kind of halfway between San Francisco San Jose, 48 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:24.240 but I've lived in Humboldt, and my wife and I 49 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.680 spent about ten years in Los Angeles. And for me, 50 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:33.960 I have one significant siding in my life when I 51 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:38.240 was twelve years old of a UFO that kind of 52 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.680 kind of defined who I would become in the person 53 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.080 I became. It was kind of a life altering experience. 54 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.360 The first touch of paranormal that came into my life, though, 55 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.479 was when I was about five years old and my 56 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:59.719 brother was about two. For a couple of years in 57 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:04.479 his childhood, he would talk about his past life experience 58 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:10.039 and it would usually manifest in statements like he would 59 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:12.800 tell me all the time that my other brother was 60 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:16.120 much nicer than you, and he would talk about his 61 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.160 other brother, and in one instance he talked about how 62 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:24.399 his other brother got killed, who was run over by 63 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.920 a tank in the war. And then at one point 64 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:32.279 he told his daycare teacher that he was born in Wales, 65 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.839 and the teacher brought this up with my parents and 66 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.759 the whole family was surprised because he would have had 67 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.399 no way of ever hearing about the country of Wales. 68 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.360 And then we later found out that our name is 69 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.319 Welsh name and we do in fact have ancestry from Wales. 70 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:54.879 So that kind of was in my young mind, kind 71 00:04:54.920 --> 00:05:00.720 of sparked a mystery of the world and touch something 72 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.000 in me that I think I was just generally curious 73 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.680 about the world. My parents were not religious, but I 74 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:11.439 tried to find religion religion. I cajoled the neighbors to 75 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.040 take me to church, and that didn't really do it 76 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.879 for me. I didn't stick with that long that I 77 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.639 in the libraries I found in my school library, in 78 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.279 the public library I found I would always find the 79 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.920 occult paranormal section, which in our public library was just 80 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.439 a couple of books, which I read them all. I 81 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.360 wish I remember the names of them. I don't, but 82 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:34.879 I know one of them was The Betty and Barney 83 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:40.279 Hill Interrupted Journey, and some other books was citing so was. 84 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:46.240 I became fascinated with the idea of UFOs aliens, and 85 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.360 I would always be watching the sky and hoping to 86 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:53.319 see hoping to see a ufo. I remember when I 87 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.800 was in Little League baseball, standing in the outfield just 88 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.319 looking at the sky and completely missing a flyball came 89 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:04.519 my way. And I never was very good at baseball. 90 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:10.759 Even without being distracted looking for UFOs, I never really 91 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:16.480 saw anything. I have vague memories of things that could 92 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.560 be false memories, but one of them being at a 93 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:24.560 young age, I was very afraid when we lived in 94 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.240 this one house. I was very afraid of prowlers coming 95 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.720 in the window, and I always imagined eyes looking in 96 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:34.879 the window, and I tuck myself under the covers, and 97 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.000 I thought if my arms were completely under the covers, 98 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:41.360 I couldn't be seen, and like the prowlers wouldn't see me. 99 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:46.079 And I have this memory of my bedroom being filled 100 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:50.319 with light and telling myself, oh, it's headlights from a 101 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.959 truck driving down the hill, which doesn't quite make sense, 102 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:58.040 as the angle cars drove on the street wouldn't have 103 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:01.120 flooded the room with lights. That's one of the experiences 104 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:03.879 I have that's kind of vague, could be meaningless, could be, 105 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.199 could be something. And then another time, my best friend 106 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:12.240 in second grade, he moved to this town near Tahoe, 107 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.639 and I would during the summer, I would go stay 108 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.000 with him on weekends a lot and there was this 109 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:21.800 one time I was staying there. It was the last 110 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.199 time I ever stayed at his house where he lived 111 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.959 in an upstairs bedroom, and I just woke up on 112 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.720 the kitchen floor all the way downstairs. And I've never 113 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.360 sleepwalked in my life before or since. I just remember 114 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.959 waking up on the kitchen floor. The kitchen lights were on, 115 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.800 and I had no clue how I got there. And 116 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:49.000 then for whatever reason, that that weekend just felt really 117 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.639 odd to me, and after that we kind of lost touch. 118 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.639 I never hung out with him again. So I was 119 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.720 always had this sinking feeling that there's something more to 120 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:02.439 that to that day and that night, and I just 121 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.680 don't know what it is. And fast forward to when 122 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:11.120 I'm twelve years old, the big UFO siding I had, 123 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:17.040 which the memory is crystal clear in my mind whenever 124 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.800 I think about it, and it's something I think about 125 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.920 at least at least once a week and half since then. 126 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:27.959 It was nineteen ninety two, I was twelve years old. 127 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.839 It was my friend's birthday, it was, and I wish 128 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.320 I knew the exact date. I didn't keep a record 129 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:38.759 at that time, even though I had kept diary occasionally 130 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:43.120 as a kid. For whatever reason, I wish I wrote 131 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.399 all these details down at the time, but I felt 132 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:50.000 I feel like something almost kept wanting me to forget 133 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.720 this experience. But we were at the We went to 134 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:57.000 the San Francisco Giants game. My friend call him d 135 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.679 It was his birthday. His mom drove us. It was 136 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:07.080 a d our. Other friends b c NP and we 137 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.240 go to the Giants game. It was an evening game 138 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.600 that went into the night game. And this is in 139 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.639 the San Francisco Bay. This is in the old Candlestick Park, 140 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:19.279 which is off of the one on one Freeway adjacent 141 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:21.519 to the Bay, so just a little bit south of 142 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:25.399 San Francisco actually, and my friend's mom had parked off 143 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.840 on this side hill. It was undeveloped at the time, 144 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:34.480 since it currently has a housing community there, but it 145 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:36.559 was this undeveloped hill where you could park if you 146 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.720 didn't want to pay for parking, and it meant you 147 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.399 had like a ten to fifteen minute walk to the 148 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:46.159 stadium to watch the game. And it was the ballpark 149 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.039 at that time did a promotion where if you bought 150 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.360 an ice cream, it came in a little plastic helmet. 151 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.960 And so after the game, us kids went around collecting 152 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.360 all the helmets, and we're just goofing off, and we 153 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:03.159 stayed long after the game ended, and then so by 154 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.399 the time we finally walked to the car, which was 155 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.720 parked on a hill, most of the people who attended 156 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.679 the game were already gone. There was a few other 157 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:15.240 families on the hill, I think, packing up their cars too, 158 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:19.919 And we're walking towards the car, and two of the 159 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:24.120 kids had already climbed into the car, and my friend's 160 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.679 mom was at the car door getting them in, and 161 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:31.559 then me and b were kind of trailing behind, walking 162 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:36.519 towards the car, facing the bay, and something just compelled 163 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.879 me to look up and above my head I see 164 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:45.399 this giant black triangle. And it's hard to tell the 165 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:49.080 scale of it because it was just open, open skies 166 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.960 above me. But if I put my hands above my 167 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.000 head at like not full arm's length, but almost like 168 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:01.320 I'm making a football field goal, it almost that arm's 169 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:06.559 length wide above my head, this giant black triangle, and 170 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:10.519 it was almost directly above me, and it was just 171 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.279 kind of sitting there. It looked like a leaf on 172 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:19.799 the wind wavering, and I got goosebumps. It was enthralling, 173 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.159 and I'm looking up, just staring at it, and my 174 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:27.080 friend B is right there next to me, and he's 175 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.639 like looking at me, looking at it, and he's I 176 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.039 could tell, he's like, what are you doing. Come on, 177 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:36.399 let's walk to the car. And then but I'm just 178 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.080 staring at it, and then this thing that an orange 179 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.879 light starts emanating from the center, and as it fades in, 180 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.399 it kind of fades in and then fades out, and 181 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:54.240 where there had been one giant triangle, there's now three 182 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:59.279 black triangles, but they're still in that triangle formation, and 183 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.000 there's still kind of just like bobbing on the air. 184 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:06.320 And then at that point, the center of each triangle 185 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:10.960 starts fading out until you have a white orb in 186 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:14.600 each corner where those triangles were. So you have these 187 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:19.399 nine white orbs in the formation of three triangles, in 188 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.960 the formation of one giant triangle. And at this point 189 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:26.559 Bobby looks up. At this point, my friend B looks 190 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.519 up and he starts waiting to sing it too. So 191 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.879 we're standing there staring, and I can hear my friend's 192 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:36.639 mom saying, come on, come get in the car, Come 193 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.919 get in the car, Come on, come on. But we're 194 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:45.600 just transfixed on these lights above us. And that whole 195 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:49.679 that was probably about thirty seconds from seeing the one 196 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:54.440 triangle fade to three triangles, fade to nine orbs, and 197 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:59.000 then these things slow. They're still bobbing above me like 198 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.799 it's like it's just hovering there, bobbing like a leaf. 199 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.960 And then it breaks that triangle formation and these nine 200 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:13.120 orbs go into like a single file line. They snake 201 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.600 their way out over the bay. And at this point, 202 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.639 sometime around here, my friend's mom looks up. She starts 203 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.679 watching it, and then the kids that were in the car, 204 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.360 d is watching it. The other kids that were in 205 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.080 the car get out of the car and they start 206 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.919 watching it. And these orbs they fly. They're in a 207 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.080 formation of like a snake, like a single line, but 208 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:40.799 it's not moving straight. It's moving like a snake would 209 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.879 move in the grass, kind of snaking its way out 210 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:48.440 in front of our vision towards the bay. And they're 211 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:51.480 directly over the bay, so you have the one oh 212 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.960 one freeway there and then this inlet of land where 213 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.039 the ballpark is, and then the bay. They move away 214 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.120 from the ballpark, away from us and into the bay, 215 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:04.519 and as they get over the bay, they just start 216 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:12.600 flying wild incredibly fast, faster than any conventional aircraft's. It 217 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:19.480 was like watching fireflies, these nine orbs flying rapidly. We 218 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:26.159 probably watched them for about two minutes and I and 219 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:32.799 I remember like just feeling complete exhilaration. I think I realized, like, oh, 220 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:39.440 I'm finally seeing seeing a UFO, really excited. And then 221 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:44.159 so we're watching them, me, my friend's mom and four 222 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:48.039 other kids, and then up from behind us comes the 223 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:53.000 airplane and it's a small aircraft. And by the way, 224 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:56.759 the whole time everything we saw it was completely silent, 225 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:00.919 which other accounts, you know, says my But I think 226 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.759 I first heard the plane coming and then I see 227 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.759 this small plane come over us. It's like I said, 228 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.440 I don't know planes, but maybe a Cessna or something, 229 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:15.559 the kind of planes you would see flying banners around games. 230 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:17.360 And I think that's what I thought it was at 231 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.559 the time, one of those planes, and it is flying 232 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.919 right towards the orbs, and then as it gets closer, 233 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:30.399 the orbs all freeze, just stop dead, and then they disappear. 234 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.039 They either they either flew off at rapid speed or 235 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.840 just you know, went somewhere else. But they were there, 236 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:47.879 flying like wildfireflies. This plane's getting close. They stop, then 237 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:53.279 they're gone. And my friend's mom at this point, that's 238 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.240 when I noticed she was like scared. I was excited. 239 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.399 It seemed like most my friends were excited. He starts 240 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:02.519 yelling at us, get in the car, Get in the car, 241 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:05.879 Get in the car. And I remember her a barreling 242 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:09.879 down the freeway to go home, and she was visibly 243 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:14.519 scared shaken. And us kids, we were so excited. Were 244 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:16.840 our heads or she had a station wagon. Our faces 245 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.840 were glued to the window, looking out the window, trying 246 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.840 to see them again. And it was this feeling of exhilaration. 247 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:29.519 And I get home late, it was probably between nine 248 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.840 ten o'clock at night, and I'm telling my parents this 249 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:38.159 and my parents are kind of poo pooing it. I 250 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.720 remember I wanted to call the police, and they I 251 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.879 didn't know. It was before the internet and everything. I 252 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.559 didn't know there was places you could report sightings. So 253 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.440 I wanted to call the police. They were not having 254 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.639 that at all. They kind of poo pooed the whole thing. 255 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.960 And then my mom talked to my friend's mom the 256 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:04.079 next day and she basically denied everything, said nothing happened. 257 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.079 I got to school and most and most of the 258 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.319 kids were still pretty excited about it, except for Be, 259 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:14.160 the kid who had I had seen the most of 260 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.519 this thing. He had seen the second most. He looked 261 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.599 up second after me. He was kind of scared and 262 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.799 he didn't want to talk about it at all. I 263 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.400 think there's probably a week where me and D and 264 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:28.640 C and P kind of talked about it a lot, 265 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:32.640 but everyone fell off pretty much. I think we were 266 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:37.960 getting teased a little bit, and my parents didn't believe. Well, 267 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.319 my parents didn't want to talk about it. I learned 268 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.440 later what really happened, but my friend's mom denied it, 269 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:48.759 and so it was kind of a thing where we 270 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.240 felt kind of a social pressure. I did, at least 271 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.759 to not really talk about it, and to this day 272 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:58.799 I regret not writing it down so I at least 273 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:02.920 knew the exact date this happened. I couldn't nail that down. 274 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.960 I found out years later that my friend's mom had, 275 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.440 in fact said it happened happened to her. My mom 276 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:13.960 told me this when I was in my twenties and 277 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.079 I brought it up with her and she said yeah, 278 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:21.720 she said it really happened. She was just really scared 279 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.200 and she didn't want to talk about it, and that 280 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.079 kind of that kind of killed me. I was so 281 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.240 mad because I was like, you know, how many years 282 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.079 I spent feeling like I was being gas lit and 283 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:36.240 felt crazy for believe in this, And then it was 284 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:40.880 completely exciting to have this experience. But I had a 285 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:44.680 dual feeling as well, because I remember at that point 286 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:49.279 feeling like it was a less valid experience because up 287 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.160 until then, the books I was reading at the library 288 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:57.200 without the Internet, the accounts of UFOs that I was 289 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:00.119 reading about were these older accounts from the fifties and 290 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.880 sixties and seventies, and most of them were, you know, 291 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.200 the saucer type sightings, and I don't think I found 292 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:12.079 any accounts of black triangles or even orbs in the 293 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.000 books I was reading. And it wasn't until later in 294 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.960 the in the later nineties, when I've Internet and I'm 295 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:22.319 looking up sightings and hearing about other things, and then 296 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:26.440 the Phoenix Light's happening where I felt very validated and 297 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.640 in what I saw. But those in those early years 298 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.680 after I first saw it, I remember feeling kind of 299 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:38.720 disappointed like what I saw didn't quite fit in with 300 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.799 the lore I was familiar with, but it was it 301 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.640 was something that changed me to a large extent. Like 302 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.240 I had been someone I was kind of searching for 303 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:53.319 finding answers to just like the mysteries around me. This 304 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:55.480 kind of gave me a chip on my shoulder to 305 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:58.200 some extent, like I knew like I had peered into 306 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:02.039 some of the secret some of the secrets like behind 307 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.160 the veil of the universe, you know, And and I 308 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:09.920 changed from being like I had been somewhat of a 309 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.519 conservative kid. My parents used to call me Alex P. Keaton, 310 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.400 but I was kind of conservative in that, you know, 311 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:20.720 I felt like I had to be very proper and 312 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:26.240 upright and have a lot of self self driven and 313 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.640 survival of the fittest kind of mentality. I also was 314 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:34.960 very very into the environment, though to me that kind 315 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.440 of fit my conception of the world, as you have 316 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:42.039 an obligation to take care of the planet. But kind 317 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:46.440 of after seeing that, I changed a lot and started 318 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:52.440 getting into a more more radical mindsets. And like that's 319 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:54.839 when I would start getting into like punk rock and 320 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:59.759 things like that, and being interested in radical politics and 321 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:08.000 always feeling more comfortable entertaining outsider perspectives and unique points 322 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.920 of view and different thoughts like I didn't after that, 323 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:14.559 I never felt like I had to fit in to 324 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:20.079 an extent, and I always just wanted to see that again, 325 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:24.799 to experience that again. And since then, I've been, you know, 326 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:28.160 searching the skies all the time, hoping to see something again. 327 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:32.480 In my life, I've traveled places like New Mexico, I've 328 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:37.160 been to Roswell, recently went camping in Mount Shasta, and 329 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.599 I always take time to watch the skies and see something. 330 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:44.519 And I haven't haven't seen a UFO since then, and 331 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.720 which is which is kind of kind of disappointing, because 332 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.960 I've always felt like they're not. It's this mystery isn't 333 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:58.640 done with me. It's kind of driven my life to 334 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:04.759 some extent. Interestingly, when I met my wife, she you know, 335 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:06.759 when I meet someone, it's not long before I tell 336 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:12.240 them my siding story. And when I met my wife, 337 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:17.359 she's very empathic, and she has a lot of experiences 338 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:20.480 in the paranormal realm, but it's more on like the 339 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:23.359 ghost end of things. And she would always, you know, 340 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:26.440 she would I would leave her to tell her stories. 341 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:30.480 But She's had a lot of encounters with things of 342 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:34.759 that nature, and we would always kind of rib each other. 343 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.599 She would say, like, you don't I know, you don't 344 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.720 believe my ghost stories, and I would just say, it's 345 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:45.039 not that I believe you, but until I see something myself, 346 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:49.400 I can't really have that empathy. And with the UFO thing, 347 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:53.680 it was the same thing. But recently, since twenty twenty, 348 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:57.400 I had a siding in our house we once lived 349 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:01.880 in of a female in the room, and after that, 350 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:05.279 it's that end of things has ramped up for me. 351 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:09.839 But the feeling I get because I'd never really been 352 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:14.480 interested in ghosts and things like that, but the feeling 353 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:17.839 I got was when that happened was very similar. It 354 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:22.200 felt to me like it's all part of the same thing. 355 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:27.319 This one other experience that was pretty major to me. 356 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:32.160 It was twenty twenty and my girlfriend at the time 357 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:34.519 and I were going to take a trip to Hawaii 358 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.359 with her family, and we were staying the night at 359 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:42.200 her house prior to flying out to Hawaii the next day, 360 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:46.039 and we were sitting in her backyard smoking a cigarette 361 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:49.599 before bed I smoked at the time. We were sitting 362 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:51.799 on her back porch just kind of staring off into 363 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:56.720 the backyard smoking a cigarette, and we hear this pow, 364 00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:01.880 like a crack and a bang, something like a gunshop 365 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:06.319 and not quiet, and then just felt this force blasted 366 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:10.519 right at us, and all the gravel from her yard blew, 367 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:13.799 blew up in the air, pelted us in the face 368 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.960 and all over our body. But you could feel it too, 369 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.839 You could feel like this giant woosh that came at 370 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:27.480 us right after that sound. And then next to us 371 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.400 on our right hand side was the neighbor's fence and 372 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:34.759 this row of tall bushes, and you just hear something, 373 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:39.000 something huge, running through those bushes down the side of 374 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:43.799 the house. So it was a crack, a bang, a 375 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:48.319 big woosh, and then something running through the house. And 376 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:50.880 we look at each other and now this scared the 377 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:53.039 hell out of me. We look at each other and 378 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.519 we just run inside the house and lock the doors, 379 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:01.480 get inside, and we tell her dad what had happened outside. 380 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:05.400 He was a detective at the time for the local 381 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.559 police there. We tell her this story. He kind of 382 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:11.920 goes outside, looks around, doesn't see anything, and he calls 383 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.720 into the police department because they had a system for 384 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:21.359 detecting gunshots and nothing was detected. So unless you know 385 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.440 their equipment was faulty, there was no gunshot. I don't 386 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.279 know what that was. And that's like something that happened 387 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.839 that I'm not sure what box to put it in, 388 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:36.200 you know, UFO. It didn't scare me. Seeing a apparition 389 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:40.559 didn't scare me, but this scared the hell out of me. 390 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:47.000 And kind of returning to the more recent stage where 391 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.559 we're at is, you know when in twenty twenty, I'm 392 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:53.119 in the bathroom and my wife is in the adjacent room, 393 00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:56.799 and in my peripheral vision, I just see a woman 394 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:02.519 walk by kind of the same height profile as my wife, 395 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.200 So I think nothing of it, and then I walk 396 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:10.039 into after I see or walk by, I think, oh, 397 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.319 that's my wife walking into bed. So I walk into 398 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:14.680 the room, but then my wife was already in bed 399 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:16.440 under the covers, and I was like, WHOA, did you 400 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.559 just see that? I just saw what I thought was 401 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:24.160