Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm lazy, Boston's new
Speaker 1: radio heer.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. A Delta plane today made an emergency landing.
Speaker 2: They deployed slides in Atlanta. The Delta flight eight seventy
Speaker 2: six was headed to South Carolina this afternoon. I'm not
Speaker 2: exactly sure at the time. Let me double check that
Speaker 2: on the time. Flight eight seventy six returned to Hartsfield
Speaker 2: Jackson on Monday after the crew reported seeing Hayes in
Speaker 2: the flight deck. I saw some of the video tonight
Speaker 2: on the evening newscast, and it was a lot more
Speaker 2: than Hayes. To me, it looked like possible smoke inside
Speaker 2: the aircraft, prompting the pilot, according to New York Times,
Speaker 2: declare an emergency and passengers to evacuate by slides once
Speaker 2: it safely landed. That Boeing seven seventeen aircraft was headed
Speaker 2: for Columbia, South Carolina. That is not a long flight.
Speaker 2: Returned to the Atlanta airp around nine am. Ninety Four
Speaker 2: passengers as well as five crew members were aboard. Of course,
Speaker 2: the flight crew members reacted and no serious injuries apparently here.
Speaker 2: But it looks as if a couple of passengers were
Speaker 2: treated by medical folks on the scene. Now, I think
Speaker 2: all of us saw what happened in Toronto last weekend
Speaker 2: when I Delta jet that had left Minneapolis was trying
Speaker 2: to land at Toronto Pearson Airport, which is named after
Speaker 2: it was Lester Pearson, former Prime Minister of Canada. My
Speaker 2: Canadian listeners will tell me if I'm right or wrong
Speaker 2: on that flipped over in the Toomac injury at least
Speaker 2: eighteen people. The airline is offering a thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: reward to each passenger was on the flight, but I
Speaker 2: know at least two passengers have already decided to sue.
Speaker 2: On Saturday, adulta flight carrying one hundred and sixty two
Speaker 2: people took off from Los Angeles International Inport headed to Sydney, Australia,
Speaker 2: had to return to the airport after smoke was detected
Speaker 2: in the galley. I hadn't even heard about that. And
Speaker 2: of course the flight that all of us have heard
Speaker 2: about and saw and were so you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: sixty seven people killed when an Army helicopter on a
Speaker 2: training mission collided as it was headed into a Reagan
Speaker 2: National Airport over the Potomac River on January twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: and that took the lives of all sixty seven people,
Speaker 2: including several from the Boston area, not that their lives
Speaker 2: are any more important, but obviously when it's folks from
Speaker 2: the Boston area, it hit pretty close to home, the
Speaker 2: Boston Skating Club. So as a consequence, there was a
Speaker 2: pole recently taken. It was taken I think after the
Speaker 2: January twenty ninth crash in Washington, d C. After the
Speaker 2: there was a plane crash in Alaska and a small
Speaker 2: plane crash who was a medical plane in Philadelphia that
Speaker 2: crashed on takeoff in Philadelphia, but before the plane flipped
Speaker 2: while landing up in Toronto. And again according to this pole,
Speaker 2: which is an Associated Press poll, it's said sixty four
Speaker 2: percent of American people think that flying in a plane
Speaker 2: is safe, a very or somewhat safe. That compares to
Speaker 2: sixty five percent of people who think it's safe or
Speaker 2: somewhat safe to just be walking, and sixty three percent
Speaker 2: believe it's safe, very safe, or somewhat safe to be
Speaker 2: in a car. So it's kind of interesting in terms
Speaker 2: of the other side of the equation very or somewhat unsafe,
Speaker 2: seventeen percent walking and seventeen percent of the car numbers
Speaker 2: are always tough to do, and twenty percent of a plane.
Speaker 2: The worst numbers were not walking, flying, or driving or
Speaker 2: being driven. The worst numbers were local subway, metro or
Speaker 2: light rail systems. So fifty three percent so the said
Speaker 2: those were various somewhat safe, but twenty three percent say
Speaker 2: they were very or somewhat unsafe. Now, I gotta tell you,
Speaker 2: I probably feel and maybe it's because of what plane
Speaker 2: crashes we've seen recently, that number has dropped. Last year,
Speaker 2: seventy one percent of US adults said they thought that
Speaker 2: air travel plane travel was either very or somewhat safe.
Speaker 2: That figure is down to sixty four percent, So that's
Speaker 2: about a ten percent drop in within a year. Now
Speaker 2: it goes on and breaks it down according to the
Speaker 2: gender and this AP poll says men, older people, and
Speaker 2: college graduates are more likely to think planes are safe.
Speaker 2: So for example, college graduate it's eighty three percent think
Speaker 2: planes are safe or somewhat safe. Non college graduates only
Speaker 2: fifty four percent. That's a big disparity. Men, by a
Speaker 2: margin of seventy one to fifty eight percent think planes
Speaker 2: are safe or somewhat safe. And then older people forty
Speaker 2: five and older compared to people between eighteen and forty
Speaker 2: four think that planes are safe. So that is what
Speaker 2: it means when it says men, older people in college graduates.
Speaker 2: So if you are an older person who happens to
Speaker 2: be male and a college graduate, probably you think it's
Speaker 2: pretty safe. This PAUL was conducted February sixth through the
Speaker 2: tenth Now overall again in January of twenty two, twenty four,
Speaker 2: seventy one percent of people thought air travel was safe
Speaker 2: for someone safe. The distinctions between Democrats, independents, and Republicans,
Speaker 2: there was some difference. Democrats felt safer, Republicans felt worth
Speaker 2: seventy percent. Democrats were seventy six percent, Independence were sixty
Speaker 2: one percent. That's kind of interesting that the independent is
Speaker 2: the one that who describes themselves politically thinks that it's
Speaker 2: that it's somewhat unsafe in twenty twenty five. This month,
Speaker 2: the overall number had dropped from seventy one to sixty four.
Speaker 2: There wasn't much of a drop amongst Republicans, it was
Speaker 2: just down one percent, seventy to sixty nine. The drop
Speaker 2: amongst Democrats was significantly more seventy six thought it was
Speaker 2: really safe if you were a Democrat, and now it's
Speaker 2: not a sixty nine percent. Part of that might be
Speaker 2: that they don't have as much faith in Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But in January of twenty twenty four, sixty one percent
Speaker 2: of independence thought air travel was safe or somewhat safe.
Speaker 2: Now it's not a forty three percent. That's like a
Speaker 2: fifty percent drop amongst independent people. And and then there's
Speaker 2: another question here dealing with air safety. The public has
Speaker 2: the most confidence in pilots, at least in the federal
Speaker 2: government to maintain air safety. So a great deal or
Speaker 2: a moderate amount we trust pilots eighty four percent. Air
Speaker 2: traffic control is somewhat smaller seventy seven percent, but pretty close.
Speaker 2: Commercial airlines seventy So we trust pilots, air traffic controllers,
Speaker 2: and commercial airlines. Federal government agencies only fifty five percent.
Speaker 2: So I think those numbers are really interesting. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I like to throw it out to you. There's no right,
Speaker 2: there's no wrong answer here. But my question is pretty simple.
Speaker 2: Have the most recent air incidents tragedies? The crash over
Speaker 2: the Potomac River, which should have been avoided, The crash
Speaker 2: landing in which no one died in Toronto compared to
Speaker 2: the sixty seven souls who lost their lives in Washington,
Speaker 2: and to these other various and sundry incidents. Whether it's
Speaker 2: smoking the cabin today in Atlanta over the weekend, and
Speaker 2: a plane going from LA to Sydney, Australia, and smaller planes,
Speaker 2: I feel a lot. I feel safer in a big
Speaker 2: commercial plane. I don't know why, but I do. Smaller
Speaker 2: planes and helicopters always kind of freaked me out. So
Speaker 2: my question is, are you in any way, shape or
Speaker 2: form impacted by this? Have you changed your travel plans?
Speaker 2: Have you decided I'm going to take a train to
Speaker 2: Washington or to New York. I don't really need that
Speaker 2: airline ticket. Or have you decided the next time I
Speaker 2: go to New York or Washington, I'll take the train
Speaker 2: or I'll drive. Driving I think is crazy, but that's
Speaker 2: a story for another time. Have you changed your attitude
Speaker 2: towards being in the ear in that silver tube or
Speaker 2: that metal tube and you have no control. I think
Speaker 2: most of us think, hey, if I'm driving, and even
Speaker 2: if I hit a patch of ice, or if there's
Speaker 2: an accident in front of me. I I'm in control
Speaker 2: when you're when you're in row thirty three c B.
Speaker 2: You have no control if there's a problem. So let's
Speaker 2: let's talk about a serious subject. But I'd love to
Speaker 2: get your point of view. Six one seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We have Rob Brooks is off tonight. Okay, Mike Templeton
Speaker 2: is there, so let's uh, let's get Mike's night a
Speaker 2: little busy here, Light up these folk lines six one seven,
Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty. Air travel. Have the incidents of the
Speaker 2: last month, month and a half have they changed your
Speaker 2: attitudes towards air travel in any way? Coming back on
Speaker 2: night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2: Radio, talking about your you towards air travel. I have
Speaker 2: phonn on my share of airplanes in my life. I
Speaker 2: must tell you that I've had some landings that were
Speaker 2: no fun. I've had, and I'm sure some of you
Speaker 2: have had as well. I've had a couple of fly arounds,
Speaker 2: or at least one fly a round that I specifically remember,
Speaker 2: which I'll be happy to tell you, but I much
Speaker 2: prefer to hear from you from your stories. And I've
Speaker 2: had one plane which we returned to Logan Airport because
Speaker 2: they were afraid that there was some a device on
Speaker 2: the plane. And the pilot was very calm, cool and collected.
Speaker 2: We had just left Washington, going left Boston going to
Speaker 2: Washington the day after Ronald Reagan baumb Olivia, and we
Speaker 2: maybe were ten minutes out, which is a good part
Speaker 2: of the flight. The flight's only about probably seventy eighty
Speaker 2: minutes in those days. And the pilot came on and
Speaker 2: he was had his pilot voice, and he said, well, folks,
Speaker 2: we got a little bit of a light up here
Speaker 2: on the dashboard. I remember he used the word dashboard.
Speaker 2: And he said, we're just going to swing on back
Speaker 2: to Logan Airport, get it fixed, and we'll be back
Speaker 2: up in a few minutes, so we'll get you to
Speaker 2: Washington on time. Just sit back and relax. And I
Speaker 2: looked back at the flight attendance and they were all
Speaker 2: sitting there looking very nervous. Apparently there'd have been a
Speaker 2: woman who had gotten on the plane loader, who luggaged
Speaker 2: on the plane and had not on boarded the plane,
Speaker 2: and so the count, the passenger count that did not reconciund.
Speaker 2: And this is nineteen eighty six, this is long before
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, and that pilot dropped the plane to
Speaker 2: sea level. I mean we were coming in probably five
Speaker 2: hundred feet above the water, above the water, and he
Speaker 2: just hauled into the Logan Airports April. I was with
Speaker 2: the camera guy, Bruce Ban at that time, if I
Speaker 2: recall correctly, and then the pilot told us had off
Speaker 2: the plane a back door. Everybody off quickly. Fire trucks
Speaker 2: were out there, the guys in the aluminum suits, and
Speaker 2: it was pretty clear that they thought they had a
Speaker 2: serious situation. As it turned out, the woman had had
Speaker 2: had had an argument with her boyfriend at the gate
Speaker 2: and did not get on the plane. But tensions were
Speaker 2: pretty high. And I'll tell you when we were flying
Speaker 2: back in there, there are a lot of people, including me,
Speaker 2: say in prayers. Let's get to the phones. Let me
Speaker 2: go first off too, Paul in Ontario, Hi, Paul, how
Speaker 2: are you tonight?
Speaker 3: I'm doing very well, Dan, how are you good?
Speaker 2: What's been the reaction up in Ontario and up in
Speaker 2: Canada to that horrific crash that, thank god, no one
Speaker 2: died at Was it Lester Pearson? Was he the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister of Canada, for whom the Toronto Airport was.
Speaker 3: Named, He sure was, Yeah, And that's the second major
Speaker 3: accident at Pearson Airport over the last ten years. There
Speaker 3: was an Air France plane or jet rather that crash
Speaker 3: landed probably around twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, and it burst
Speaker 3: into flames as well, and everyone survived. So it's very unnerving.
Speaker 3: We drive by the airport quite frequently and the expressway
Speaker 3: is right next to the airport, and the jets literally
Speaker 3: looked like they're going to land on the freeway. So
Speaker 3: it was unnerving, and I can certainly say from my
Speaker 3: perspective it does make me more nervous about flying when
Speaker 3: there's a few of these incidents in a close timeframe.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm looking at this Air France flight three point
Speaker 2: fifty eight, regularly scheduled flight from Charles de Gaul Airport
Speaker 2: in Paris to Toronto the afternoon of August second, two
Speaker 2: thousand and five, so it's almost twenty years ago. Well yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's an airport and airbus that's a big plane
Speaker 2: operating the route over ran the runway and crashed into
Speaker 2: nearby at the Piccoke Creek approximately Tobicoke Creek. Yeah, okay
Speaker 2: and okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The irony of that situation was that evening we were
Speaker 3: picking up my wife and I were picking up her
Speaker 3: brother who was flying in from Sydney, Australia, and the
Speaker 3: wreckage of the Air France aircraft was still very visible.
Speaker 3: So that that's really unnerving.
Speaker 2: So it said three hundred and not big plane. Three
Speaker 2: hundred and nine people on board survived, although twelve sustained
Speaker 2: serious injuries. You know, there's a lot of airports I
Speaker 2: flew into, you know, Miami recently, and most airports you
Speaker 2: do go over highways, and and certainly in Washington when
Speaker 2: you flying in a Reagan, there's there's all sorts of
Speaker 2: highways underneath and you're looking down. And that's probably the
Speaker 2: very few inp what's were there on highways because they
Speaker 2: want people to be able to get there, when you
Speaker 2: think about it, but that's true.
Speaker 3: My wife and I were actually in Washington a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, and we noticed the high volume of
Speaker 3: air traffic, helicopters and aircraft going over that very narrow
Speaker 3: stretch along the Potomac River. And you know, when I
Speaker 3: heard what had happened, it wasn't shocking because just the
Speaker 3: number of aircraft. And I believe that way back in
Speaker 3: the in the eighties, there was another aircraft that crashed
Speaker 3: into the Potomac River, if I remember.
Speaker 2: The Potomac said, you corrected the name of your river,
Speaker 2: so Potomac. And that was a plane that took off
Speaker 2: and they had a problem with ice on the wings
Speaker 2: and it crashed into a bridge and there were a
Speaker 2: lot of fatalities on that plane, and there were some
Speaker 2: people who were just walking by who jumped into the river.
Speaker 2: As a matter of there was one guy, forget his name,
Speaker 2: Lenny was his first name, and he was a genuine hero.
Speaker 2: I mean it was in January, and at that time
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan was present. I think that he became a
Speaker 2: guest of Reagan at the State of the Union address
Speaker 2: as a true American hero. He saved people's lives that
Speaker 2: day and was.
Speaker 3: Just and that evening the evening of that crash, my
Speaker 3: sister and her husband were flying down to Florida, and
Speaker 3: back back in the eighties, he didn't get information as
Speaker 3: quickly as you do now. When I had heard a
Speaker 3: plane had crashed. That was the first thing that crossed
Speaker 3: my mind. So, of course, yeah, horrible, I find Oh sorry.
Speaker 2: You give your final thought here because I'm coming up
Speaker 2: with my newsbreaker right ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh, no problem. I just wanted to I just wanted
Speaker 3: to say, the longer the flight, the more unnerving we've
Speaker 3: flow into Australia. When you're in the air for fourteen
Speaker 3: and a half hours from Vancouver to Sydney, that I
Speaker 3: find the most unnerving, and simply because you wonder where
Speaker 3: the plane could land if it ran into trouble.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess over the water. Yeah, but I always
Speaker 2: worry about takeoff and landings. That's my I feel. Once
Speaker 2: you're up, you know, ten fifteen thousand feet, you're pretty good. Obviously,
Speaker 2: planes can can have problems, but it's takeoff and landings.
Speaker 2: We had a bad plane crash here back in this
Speaker 2: early seventies, a plane that hit the sea wall here
Speaker 2: and flipped over. I think it was nineteen seven July
Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy three. And those are the things because
Speaker 2: there's such a tremendous loss of life that you remember,
Speaker 2: And of course the one that everyone remembers was when
Speaker 2: Captain Sullivan landed the plane in the Hudson River and
Speaker 2: you had that pictures of the plane floating with people
Speaker 2: standing one January, and that would have been I'm guessing
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and nine, if I'm not.
Speaker 3: Mistaken, remember it. Well, yeah, I saw the movie as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, Paul, always great to you your voice call
Speaker 2: more offen, my friend. I miss hearing from you.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well do you take care of Dan? Have
Speaker 3: an icy YouTube?
Speaker 2: All six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty. One line
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Speaker 2: recent air crashes given you pause about whether or not
Speaker 2: you're likely to fly the friendly skies of United or
Speaker 2: any other airlines? Or have you decided maybe they're from
Speaker 2: now on some of those trains. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: trains are a great way to travel if you have
Speaker 2: the time. We back on nightside. The only lines open
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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, back to the cause we go. The question
Speaker 2: of the hour is has this spate of plane crash
Speaker 2: you know, we didn't have a big plane crash in
Speaker 2: America from I think it's like two thousand and ten.
Speaker 2: I forget the last big one. We went quite a
Speaker 2: number of years in terms of America. Now, there were
Speaker 2: some other lanes. The Malaysian plane that disappeared. I don't
Speaker 2: think they've ever found that one. You had a couple
Speaker 2: of planes, I think the Russian shot down leading up
Speaker 2: to the Ukraine War. But in terms of US air travel,
Speaker 2: it was a remarkably safe run up until the helicopter
Speaker 2: crash into the plane that took sixty seven lives. Next up,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to Eileen. Hi, Eileen, welcome back. How
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good?
Speaker 5: Thanks?
Speaker 3: How are you good?
Speaker 2: How you've traveled by plane? You've been on the same
Speaker 2: plane on some of our trips as a.
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, absolutely wonderful, wonderful trips. But I think
Speaker 5: the next trip I want to take will be the
Speaker 5: Great Lakes by boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great trip. I've heard that people. Matter
Speaker 2: of fact, a friend of mine did that. I think
Speaker 2: they they went to Toronto, to Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, there
Speaker 2: were several major cities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Saint Lawrence River, that's a very interesting part of our country.
Speaker 6: So I guess the question at hand is is have
Speaker 6: these recent plane accidents caused you to back away from
Speaker 6: airline trips?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And it's it's not just the accidents, but there's
Speaker 5: so many planes up there now, and we're so concerned
Speaker 5: about air pollution and climate change, and I wonder if
Speaker 5: all of these airplanes flying around up there aren't contributing
Speaker 5: to pollution and climate change.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they are. I mean, and I suspect everything contributes,
Speaker 2: meaning automobiles, uh, you know, every trains, everything. But I
Speaker 2: think we had is that you have everybody now wants
Speaker 2: to be able to get an airplane and fly air
Speaker 2: Air travel has become in the last twenty years, ironically,
Speaker 2: after you know, nine to eleven has become very common.
Speaker 2: Air travel is like what used to be bus travel.
Speaker 2: It's not special anymore, in my opinion, but ticket prices
Speaker 2: are such that people could do it, and there's more
Speaker 2: airlines there. But you're right, I mean, when you look
Speaker 2: at the planes taking off or landing at some of
Speaker 2: our major airports, it's like, who can you know those
Speaker 2: those air traffic control is they got to be on tropicy.
Speaker 5: I lean, yeah, but I think they're big polluters too.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I think we should consider how
Speaker 5: much climate change might be caused by Maybe.
Speaker 2: We can talk more about that some night as well.
Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting topic. Ileen is always great.
Speaker 2: Hear your voice. You sounds strong. We will talk soon.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, yep, thanks Dan, good night.
Speaker 2: Uh So that opens up one at six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty. And we got a couple at six
Speaker 2: one seven nine three one ten thirty have recent plane
Speaker 2: accidents because they are accidents. Remember we had a couple
Speaker 2: of crashes that well, there was that one off the
Speaker 2: coast of Long Island that they believe one of the
Speaker 2: pilots might have intentionally taken the plane down. I don't
Speaker 2: know how that ever turned out in terms of their investigation.
Speaker 2: I think that was but at least well probably more
Speaker 2: than fifteen years ago. Let's go next to my friend
Speaker 2: Jim in Kansas City. Jim, you're next. You fly much
Speaker 2: or no? Jim?
Speaker 7: Dan, Hey, thanks for taking my call. Uh I fly
Speaker 7: very infrequently? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that by design or.
Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean I've lived pretty intentionally.
Speaker 2: And you know what I say was, Jim, some people
Speaker 2: have jobs where they have to fly. Some people have
Speaker 2: jobs where they don't have to fly and they have
Speaker 2: no interest in it. Is that your category? You just
Speaker 2: assume stay on the ground of terra firma.
Speaker 7: I'm interviewed for a job one time city rent a truck,
Speaker 7: and he was talking about having me drive a bunch
Speaker 7: of pickup trucks out out west and then fly back.
Speaker 7: And I told I stood up in the middle of
Speaker 7: the interview and I told him, thanks very much, I
Speaker 7: am not interested in the job. I'm just so I mean,
Speaker 7: I just you know, I think people that do it
Speaker 7: do it of their own volition, public forces them on there.
Speaker 7: But to answer, just to answer your question before we
Speaker 7: get too far down the road. No, it hasn't changed
Speaker 7: into my likelihood of flying at all, because I would
Speaker 7: avoid it, like the plague. I feel like it's just
Speaker 7: like a like a claustrophobic inside there, like and like
Speaker 7: they take all of your freedoms and your rights away
Speaker 7: from you. They're listen, you know, And I would just
Speaker 7: assume drive because when you get there, you got to
Speaker 7: rent a car anyway, and if you're run into trouble,
Speaker 7: you can actually sleep in the vehicle. You can have
Speaker 7: unlimited baggage in the vehicle, whatever you want. So my
Speaker 7: likelihood of that of flying is very low. It's possible,
Speaker 7: but it's very low. Some other things that I wanted
Speaker 7: to say, was it the way when.
Speaker 2: They excuse me, what's sam when they say you take
Speaker 2: away your freedoms? When you think about it, okay, Uh,
Speaker 2: the only freedom that you really lose, well, you can't
Speaker 2: smoke on airplanes anymore. Okay, but you know, and you
Speaker 2: have to buckle up and you gotta sit in your seat.
Speaker 2: What of the freedoms do you lose? You can't you
Speaker 2: can't jump out of the plane, right, you know.
Speaker 7: It's what you say you can't say. There's a lot
Speaker 7: of words that you can't say. If they hear you
Speaker 7: say them, you're in trouble.
Speaker 2: Regardless if you say, if you say I want to
Speaker 2: hijack this plane, I guarantee you you're going to have
Speaker 2: a couple of people putting hand cups on you. But
Speaker 2: but what person would say that? Seriously?
Speaker 7: Well, I don't think you have to say something like that.
Speaker 7: It's not it doesn't. But I just would not do
Speaker 7: it because I just love.
Speaker 2: You're an independent soul. By the way, I can see
Speaker 2: you standing up when you said to me, you describe
Speaker 2: how you stood up and set.
Speaker 7: There was no movie. There was no movie about p
Speaker 7: S A Flight number one eighty two. And I'll tell
Speaker 7: you something else too. Here's the way I see it.
Speaker 7: I think the people on the airplane, I don't understand
Speaker 7: why the people on the airplane get compensation. I think
Speaker 7: the people who should get compensation, or the people on
Speaker 7: the ground. The way I see it, the people that
Speaker 7: are on the airplane are like co conspirators there.
Speaker 2: They I think that's a that's a fairly radical point
Speaker 2: of view, but that's okay. Well, by the way.
Speaker 7: People, by the way, the guy in Canada was saying
Speaker 7: just exactly that. He was saying that. He was saying
Speaker 7: that every time he goes by there, he's scared that
Speaker 7: a plane is going to crash on him. And I'm
Speaker 7: not afraid of it. But I think it's a reasonable
Speaker 7: it's a reasonable time.
Speaker 2: I getting an elevator, Jim, I'm scared the elevator might
Speaker 2: one of the cords might break, and I could, you know,
Speaker 2: die in the elevator. Look, the thing is, if a
Speaker 2: plane crashes into your house and hurts you or your family,
Speaker 2: you'll end up being compensated. But if a plane flies
Speaker 2: overhead and you're a little troubled by it, there's really
Speaker 2: no cause of action you can take. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I mean, there's no should be? Well
Speaker 2: should be? What would you do like a noise noise
Speaker 2: nuisance action or something.
Speaker 7: Well, for one thing, I think when there's a plane crash,
Speaker 7: all planes should be grounded until after we get a
Speaker 7: rock solid And you alluded to it too, you said
Speaker 7: you still don't even know whether that guy crashed the
Speaker 7: plane intentionally because it's all like swept under the rug. Well,
Speaker 7: we should be given rock solid answers about yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, first of all, I don't have the report
Speaker 2: in front of me, but there was some suggestion that
Speaker 2: one of the pilots on that plane was suffering from
Speaker 2: some sort of mental stress, I mean, which is one
Speaker 2: of the reasons you got to put pilots through. You know.
Speaker 2: It's one thing, if Jim is driving his car, what's
Speaker 2: the main route in Kansas City?
Speaker 7: Route seventy, here's seventy or thirty thirty five, So if you're.
Speaker 2: Driving twenty nine to Okay, I'm sorry, I don't know
Speaker 2: all the roads, but if you're driving to Kansas City
Speaker 2: and you're blowing down the road in one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty in your car and you crash into somebody, you
Speaker 2: know that can happen to So it's part of yep,
Speaker 2: you it is, it's part of it's part of life. Hey, Jim,
Speaker 2: I got to run here, my man. You are always
Speaker 2: one of my most interesting callers, whether we agree to disagree.
Speaker 2: I think you know that.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, thanks, thanks pal talk.
Speaker 2: So we'll take very quick break. The only line open
Speaker 2: now is six one seven two five four to ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We got uh the other line Cholman to be give
Speaker 2: you the number because they want the confusions full up.
Speaker 2: Six one seven two five four to ten thirty. Have
Speaker 2: the plane crashes of the last month and there's been
Speaker 2: a couple of big ones and a few little ones.
Speaker 2: Has it changed your attitude your likelihood to get back
Speaker 2: on a plane anytime soon? Back on nights Side after.
Speaker 1: Now, back to Dan Way Live from the Window World
Speaker 1: to Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: I don't know when my my sound went there that
Speaker 2: get real low there for a second, h Mike, Okay,
Speaker 2: notice for me anyway, Jason in Norwood. Jason next on Nightside,
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Hi.
Speaker 7: Dan, Hey Dan, I heard you.
Speaker 8: I'm well thanks. I heard you talking a week or
Speaker 8: two ago. You mentioned flying in the glory days, when
Speaker 8: it was bibilized and enjoyable. I used to love to fly.
Speaker 8: I had am that took me across the Atlantic frequently,
Speaker 8: and I was never a nervous flyer. I'm not really now.
Speaker 8: I did have a few exciting incidents over the years,
Speaker 8: but I'm less comfortable flying now. Not only has the
Speaker 8: fun gone out of it, of course, and the miserable
Speaker 8: experience in the airports, but I've lost all confidence in
Speaker 8: Boeing aircraft. And it's not the recent crashes that have
Speaker 8: cost me my caution. It's more what to me is
Speaker 8: a pretty apparent of the COVID shots on the pilots,
Speaker 8: pilots dropping dead in flight on the flight deck.
Speaker 2: Uh that kind of thing. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa. How
Speaker 2: often has that happened?
Speaker 7: Oh, it's happened, particularly after the shots were first out
Speaker 7: and the mandates were very strict. There were quite a
Speaker 7: number of those.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 8: I read the I read some belongings of populated by
Speaker 8: commercial flight pilots. I used to be a private pilot.
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 2: I got to be honest with you, Jason, I'd never
Speaker 2: heard that or saw that. Obviously, out of any you know, population,
Speaker 2: on any given day, however, many some people will drop dead.
Speaker 2: But I've never and I'm please, don't, don't, miss don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that you're not telling me what you've read,
Speaker 2: but I would assume that if there was a real
Speaker 2: spike in what you talked about, that we would have
Speaker 2: heard about it.
Speaker 8: I mean, well, the media dependent on the pharmaceutical companies
Speaker 8: the seventy or eighty percent of their revenue. It's not
Speaker 8: surprising that they don't cover it. What even alarmed me more, although.
Speaker 9: There's Jason, what alarmed me more on these commercial pilot
Speaker 9: blogs was the back channel discussions about pilots that were
Speaker 9: experiencing symptoms and concealing.
Speaker 8: Them because they didn't want to lose their jobs.
Speaker 2: I understand that, But what I'm saying is there's a
Speaker 2: variety of media out there, Jason, realistically, from the far
Speaker 2: left to the far right, and a lot of them
Speaker 2: are not relying upon pharmaceutical companies. First of all, most
Speaker 2: legitimate news papers and television and radio stations. If there
Speaker 2: really was a spate of pilots dropping dead in the
Speaker 2: captain seat, I think we would have heard about it.
Speaker 2: But that's okay.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, Well, if you're familiar with the company
Speaker 7: flight Aware, they do a monthly new summary, and there
Speaker 7: were about two years running where there were frequent coverage
Speaker 7: on the flight Aware monthly summary of pilots who died
Speaker 7: in flight on major airlines.
Speaker 8: It was happening. It's not happening so much.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what flight aware is also also his
Speaker 2: flight track or if I'm not mistaken, right, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at flight aware right now. That's a legitimate site, okay.
Speaker 2: And what they do is they track and they show you.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm looking at all the different airports and
Speaker 2: all the planes that are flying in and out. You
Speaker 2: can zoom in. It's a great website.
Speaker 8: It's a very legitimate company. You can subscribe to their
Speaker 8: monthly email news summaries, and that's what if you're.
Speaker 2: Ken, do me a favorite if you can, and you
Speaker 2: can find right now. For example, they're currently and I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if this is worldwide or the U there
Speaker 2: are currently twelve five flights in the air right now.
Speaker 8: Now now, I'm not suggesting pilots were falling dead by
Speaker 8: the dozens, but they were certainly falling dead by more
Speaker 8: than the handfuls.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, favorite, if you go back and find any
Speaker 2: of those old stories, get them to me. Okay, I
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Well, I will do that. I know how to get
Speaker 8: an email to you.
Speaker 5: I'll do that.
Speaker 8: I will say that. I'm also concerned about signs that,
Speaker 8: for whatever reason, the air traffic control system, including the
Speaker 8: pilots who are part of that system, seemed to be overtaxed.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you what troubled me the most of all
Speaker 8: was that incident about half the year ago in Austin,
Speaker 8: where the airport wasn't busy. The controller cleared an incoming
Speaker 8: FedEx flight to land on a particular runway that that
Speaker 8: plane was coming in on short final and then very
Speaker 8: shortly after that he cleared a Southwest aircraft to take
Speaker 8: that runway to departure. And what really shocks me is
Speaker 8: that the flight crew, who were listening to all the
Speaker 8: communications and were well aware that FedEx plane was barreling
Speaker 8: down onto their runway, they accepted the clearance and took
Speaker 8: the runway. Fortunately, the fed X.
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with that one, Jason, so you know
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 8: As well.
Speaker 2: Jon, Jason, Jason, we've done six minutes. I got full lines.
Speaker 2: I gotta get.
Speaker 8: I'll let you know. I just want to summarize. I
Speaker 8: still fly, and about the only precaution I take is
Speaker 8: I'm careful to wear natural fiber clothing for the very
Speaker 8: unlikely event that I might be caught in the fire
Speaker 8: one time during a crash.
Speaker 2: Good suggestion, Thanks Jason, appreciate the call. Have a great night.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Ian and sand into and helped
Speaker 2: me out here and go right ahead.
Speaker 4: I Dan nice to speak with you. I'm with Eileen
Speaker 4: about the pollution. I am very I was never too
Speaker 4: concerned about science, but I am now hands down. Is
Speaker 4: this because of the recent events? Yeah, I think that
Speaker 4: maintenance is a problem. Parts and maintenance. The last time
Speaker 4: I flew Domestic, which was more than a year ago,
Speaker 4: it was such I was shocked at how old the
Speaker 4: plane was.
Speaker 2: Used. They could used a lot more now. I don't
Speaker 2: know how much time they get for rest and repair
Speaker 2: and maintenance. But boy, you're you're on a plane and
Speaker 2: you realize that the plate is flying from Boston to
Speaker 2: La and it's going back to Boston that afternoon. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's Yeah, I have a remembrance. I have a remembrance
Speaker 4: for you. Do you remember there has anybody mentioned the
Speaker 4: World Airway flight that skinned off the runway in Boston
Speaker 4: in the middle of a snowstorm back in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, no one's mentioned that. But I remember
Speaker 2: being out at the end of that runway a night
Speaker 2: or two later, and there were two individuals who were
Speaker 2: flying who were up in the front of the plane.
Speaker 2: Didn't be there, father and son, the Metcalfs.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, And they.
Speaker 2: Were never found. That plane had left from San Francisco.
Speaker 2: I believe it landed in Newark. And I remember being
Speaker 2: at a I at a restaurant that afternoon. It was
Speaker 2: a it was a horrible weather day, and I said
Speaker 2: to someone that afternoon, I said, boy, I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to be flying in an airplane tonight, and sure get
Speaker 2: it off the end of the runway. And they never
Speaker 2: found the Metcalfs that that plane ended.
Speaker 1: In those in the harbor harbor, I see.
Speaker 2: Harbor, And I remember being out there doing a live
Speaker 2: shot a night or so later. And I've never been
Speaker 2: in a situation where I was so cold that water
Speaker 2: was running out of my eyes. They just came down
Speaker 2: and yeah, so believe me, I remember that fly. I
Speaker 2: remember that pretey we breezy. Oh it was more than breezy.
Speaker 8: Just yeah.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that they I don't think they
Speaker 2: ever found There were rumors, but the Metcalfs were father's
Speaker 2: son and they were they believe they were on that plane. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder where they were seated up front.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the first class or business class,
Speaker 2: but I think that they were. They were plane, so
Speaker 2: we'll see, you know, I don't know. I wish I
Speaker 2: had more information on it. But that's a that's a
Speaker 2: tough well, a tough memory for me.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, do you remember Locker in Boston?
Speaker 2: Were you in Boston?
Speaker 8: Yes, I was in Boston at that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I left a few years later, but yes, And
Speaker 4: I remember Marvelous Marvin Hackler was fighting. We were watching
Speaker 4: his fight.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, it's a good memory of Marvelous Marvin.
Speaker 3: Yeah ja, yeah, great guy.
Speaker 2: I know Marvin pretty well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, great, great, great guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The date of that by the way, that was
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two. I remembered it as being a little earlier.
Speaker 2: You said eighty four. Was it was January nineteen.
Speaker 4: Eighty Jo, Yeah, yeah, there was somewhere in the early eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got bosing passengers right here, the Metcalfs they
Speaker 2: were from. I believe love to know what happened, you know,
Speaker 2: if their family ever heard them. Seventy year old Walter
Speaker 2: Metcalf and his forty year old son Leo boarded the
Speaker 2: planet the last minute, and when not in the passenger
Speaker 2: manifest during the crash, they ended up in the water
Speaker 2: and with neither of them able to swim as presume
Speaker 2: they had driving. Police divers sented the scene, but the
Speaker 2: bodies of the pair never never found. All right, I've
Speaker 2: got to run here. Thanks, thanks so much. You later,
Speaker 2: all right, good night. I'd like to continue with this
Speaker 2: into the next hour. If not, we'll go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Light the lines up back after this