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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm lazy, Boston's new

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone. A Delta plane today made an emergency landing.

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<v Speaker 2>They deployed slides in Atlanta. The Delta flight eight seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six was headed to South Carolina this afternoon. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>exactly sure at the time. Let me double check that

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<v Speaker 2>on the time. Flight eight seventy six returned to Hartsfield

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson on Monday after the crew reported seeing Hayes in

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<v Speaker 2>the flight deck. I saw some of the video tonight

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<v Speaker 2>on the evening newscast, and it was a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>than Hayes. To me, it looked like possible smoke inside

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<v Speaker 2>the aircraft, prompting the pilot, according to New York Times,

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<v Speaker 2>declare an emergency and passengers to evacuate by slides once

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<v Speaker 2>it safely landed. That Boeing seven seventeen aircraft was headed

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<v Speaker 2>for Columbia, South Carolina. That is not a long flight.

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<v Speaker 2>Returned to the Atlanta airp around nine am. Ninety Four

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<v Speaker 2>passengers as well as five crew members were aboard. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the flight crew members reacted and no serious injuries apparently here.

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<v Speaker 2>But it looks as if a couple of passengers were

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<v Speaker 2>treated by medical folks on the scene. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>all of us saw what happened in Toronto last weekend

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<v Speaker 2>when I Delta jet that had left Minneapolis was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to land at Toronto Pearson Airport, which is named after

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<v Speaker 2>it was Lester Pearson, former Prime Minister of Canada. My

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian listeners will tell me if I'm right or wrong

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<v Speaker 2>on that flipped over in the Toomac injury at least

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen people. The airline is offering a thirty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>reward to each passenger was on the flight, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know at least two passengers have already decided to sue.

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<v Speaker 2>On Saturday, adulta flight carrying one hundred and sixty two

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<v Speaker 2>people took off from Los Angeles International Inport headed to Sydney, Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>had to return to the airport after smoke was detected

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<v Speaker 2>in the galley. I hadn't even heard about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course the flight that all of us have heard

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<v Speaker 2>about and saw and were so you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven people killed when an Army helicopter on a

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<v Speaker 2>training mission collided as it was headed into a Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>National Airport over the Potomac River on January twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 2>and that took the lives of all sixty seven people,

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<v Speaker 2>including several from the Boston area, not that their lives

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<v Speaker 2>are any more important, but obviously when it's folks from

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston area, it hit pretty close to home, the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Skating Club. So as a consequence, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>pole recently taken. It was taken I think after the

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<v Speaker 2>January twenty ninth crash in Washington, d C. After the

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<v Speaker 2>there was a plane crash in Alaska and a small

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<v Speaker 2>plane crash who was a medical plane in Philadelphia that

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<v Speaker 2>crashed on takeoff in Philadelphia, but before the plane flipped

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<v Speaker 2>while landing up in Toronto. And again according to this pole,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an Associated Press poll, it's said sixty four

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<v Speaker 2>percent of American people think that flying in a plane

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<v Speaker 2>is safe, a very or somewhat safe. That compares to

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five percent of people who think it's safe or

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat safe to just be walking, and sixty three percent

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<v Speaker 2>believe it's safe, very safe, or somewhat safe to be

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<v Speaker 2>in a car. So it's kind of interesting in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the other side of the equation very or somewhat unsafe,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen percent walking and seventeen percent of the car numbers

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<v Speaker 2>are always tough to do, and twenty percent of a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst numbers were not walking, flying, or driving or

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<v Speaker 2>being driven. The worst numbers were local subway, metro or

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<v Speaker 2>light rail systems. So fifty three percent so the said

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<v Speaker 2>those were various somewhat safe, but twenty three percent say

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<v Speaker 2>they were very or somewhat unsafe. Now, I gotta tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably feel and maybe it's because of what plane

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<v Speaker 2>crashes we've seen recently, that number has dropped. Last year,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy one percent of US adults said they thought that

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<v Speaker 2>air travel plane travel was either very or somewhat safe.

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<v Speaker 2>That figure is down to sixty four percent, So that's

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<v Speaker 2>about a ten percent drop in within a year. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it goes on and breaks it down according to the

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<v Speaker 2>gender and this AP poll says men, older people, and

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<v Speaker 2>college graduates are more likely to think planes are safe.

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<v Speaker 2>So for example, college graduate it's eighty three percent think

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<v Speaker 2>planes are safe or somewhat safe. Non college graduates only

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four percent. That's a big disparity. Men, by a

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<v Speaker 2>margin of seventy one to fifty eight percent think planes

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<v Speaker 2>are safe or somewhat safe. And then older people forty

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<v Speaker 2>five and older compared to people between eighteen and forty

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<v Speaker 2>four think that planes are safe. So that is what

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<v Speaker 2>it means when it says men, older people in college graduates.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are an older person who happens to

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<v Speaker 2>be male and a college graduate, probably you think it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty safe. This PAUL was conducted February sixth through the

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<v Speaker 2>tenth Now overall again in January of twenty two, twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy one percent of people thought air travel was safe

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<v Speaker 2>for someone safe. The distinctions between Democrats, independents, and Republicans,

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<v Speaker 2>there was some difference. Democrats felt safer, Republicans felt worth

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<v Speaker 2>seventy percent. Democrats were seventy six percent, Independence were sixty

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<v Speaker 2>one percent. That's kind of interesting that the independent is

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<v Speaker 2>the one that who describes themselves politically thinks that it's

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<v Speaker 2>that it's somewhat unsafe in twenty twenty five. This month,

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<v Speaker 2>the overall number had dropped from seventy one to sixty four.

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<v Speaker 2>There wasn't much of a drop amongst Republicans, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just down one percent, seventy to sixty nine. The drop

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<v Speaker 2>amongst Democrats was significantly more seventy six thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>really safe if you were a Democrat, and now it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a sixty nine percent. Part of that might be

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't have as much faith in Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>But in January of twenty twenty four, sixty one percent

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<v Speaker 2>of independence thought air travel was safe or somewhat safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's not a forty three percent. That's like a

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent drop amongst independent people. And and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>another question here dealing with air safety. The public has

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<v Speaker 2>the most confidence in pilots, at least in the federal

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<v Speaker 2>government to maintain air safety. So a great deal or

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<v Speaker 2>a moderate amount we trust pilots eighty four percent. Air

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<v Speaker 2>traffic control is somewhat smaller seventy seven percent, but pretty close.

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<v Speaker 2>Commercial airlines seventy So we trust pilots, air traffic controllers,

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<v Speaker 2>and commercial airlines. Federal government agencies only fifty five percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think those numbers are really interesting. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>I like to throw it out to you. There's no right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no wrong answer here. But my question is pretty simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Have the most recent air incidents tragedies? The crash over

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<v Speaker 2>the Potomac River, which should have been avoided, The crash

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<v Speaker 2>landing in which no one died in Toronto compared to

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<v Speaker 2>the sixty seven souls who lost their lives in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>and to these other various and sundry incidents. Whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>smoking the cabin today in Atlanta over the weekend, and

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<v Speaker 2>a plane going from LA to Sydney, Australia, and smaller planes,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel a lot. I feel safer in a big

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<v Speaker 2>commercial plane. I don't know why, but I do. Smaller

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<v Speaker 2>planes and helicopters always kind of freaked me out. So

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<v Speaker 2>my question is, are you in any way, shape or

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<v Speaker 2>form impacted by this? Have you changed your travel plans?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you decided I'm going to take a train to

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<v Speaker 2>Washington or to New York. I don't really need that

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<v Speaker 2>airline ticket. Or have you decided the next time I

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<v Speaker 2>go to New York or Washington, I'll take the train

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<v Speaker 2>or I'll drive. Driving I think is crazy, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>a story for another time. Have you changed your attitude

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<v Speaker 2>towards being in the ear in that silver tube or

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<v Speaker 2>that metal tube and you have no control. I think

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<v Speaker 2>most of us think, hey, if I'm driving, and even

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<v Speaker 2>if I hit a patch of ice, or if there's

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<v Speaker 2>an accident in front of me. I I'm in control

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<v Speaker 2>when you're when you're in row thirty three c B.

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<v Speaker 2>You have no control if there's a problem. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about a serious subject. But I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>get your point of view. Six one seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Rob Brooks is off tonight. Okay, Mike Templeton

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<v Speaker 2>is there, so let's uh, let's get Mike's night a

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<v Speaker 2>little busy here, Light up these folk lines six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine three one ten thirty six one seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty. Air travel. Have the incidents of the

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<v Speaker 2>last month, month and a half have they changed your

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<v Speaker 2>attitudes towards air travel in any way? Coming back on

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<v Speaker 2>night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio, talking about your you towards air travel. I have

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<v Speaker 2>phonn on my share of airplanes in my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>must tell you that I've had some landings that were

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<v Speaker 2>no fun. I've had, and I'm sure some of you

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<v Speaker 2>have had as well. I've had a couple of fly arounds,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least one fly a round that I specifically remember,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'll be happy to tell you, but I much

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<v Speaker 2>prefer to hear from you from your stories. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>had one plane which we returned to Logan Airport because

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<v Speaker 2>they were afraid that there was some a device on

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<v Speaker 2>the plane. And the pilot was very calm, cool and collected.

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<v Speaker 2>We had just left Washington, going left Boston going to

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<v Speaker 2>Washington the day after Ronald Reagan baumb Olivia, and we

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<v Speaker 2>maybe were ten minutes out, which is a good part

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<v Speaker 2>of the flight. The flight's only about probably seventy eighty

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<v Speaker 2>he was had his pilot voice, and he said, well, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a little bit of a light up here

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<v Speaker 2>on the dashboard. I remember he used the word dashboard.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, we're just going to swing on back

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<v Speaker 2>to Logan Airport, get it fixed, and we'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>up in a few minutes, so we'll get you to

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<v Speaker 2>Washington on time. Just sit back and relax. And I

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<v Speaker 2>looked back at the flight attendance and they were all

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there looking very nervous. Apparently there'd have been a

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<v Speaker 2>woman who had gotten on the plane loader, who luggaged

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<v Speaker 2>on the plane and had not on boarded the plane,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the count, the passenger count that did not reconciund.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is nineteen eighty six, this is long before

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven, and that pilot dropped the plane to

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<v Speaker 2>sea level. I mean we were coming in probably five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred feet above the water, above the water, and he

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<v Speaker 2>just hauled into the Logan Airports April. I was with

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<v Speaker 2>the camera guy, Bruce Ban at that time, if I

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<v Speaker 2>recall correctly, and then the pilot told us had off

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<v Speaker 2>the plane a back door. Everybody off quickly. Fire trucks

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<v Speaker 2>were out there, the guys in the aluminum suits, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty clear that they thought they had a

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<v Speaker 2>serious situation. As it turned out, the woman had had

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<v Speaker 2>had had an argument with her boyfriend at the gate

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<v Speaker 2>and did not get on the plane. But tensions were

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<v Speaker 2>pretty high. And I'll tell you when we were flying

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<v Speaker 2>back in there, there are a lot of people, including me,

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<v Speaker 2>say in prayers. Let's get to the phones. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>go first off too, Paul in Ontario, Hi, Paul, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing very well, Dan, how are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>What's been the reaction up in Ontario and up in

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<v Speaker 2>Canada to that horrific crash that, thank god, no one

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<v Speaker 2>died at Was it Lester Pearson? Was he the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister of Canada, for whom the Toronto Airport was.

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<v Speaker 3>Named, He sure was, Yeah, And that's the second major

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<v Speaker 3>accident at Pearson Airport over the last ten years. There

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<v Speaker 3>was an Air France plane or jet rather that crash

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<v Speaker 3>landed probably around twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, and it burst

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<v Speaker 3>into flames as well, and everyone survived. So it's very unnerving.

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<v Speaker 3>We drive by the airport quite frequently and the expressway

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I'm looking at this Air France flight three point

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<v Speaker 2>fifty eight, regularly scheduled flight from Charles de Gaul Airport

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<v Speaker 2>operating the route over ran the runway and crashed into

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<v Speaker 3>The irony of that situation was that evening we were

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<v Speaker 3>wreckage of the Air France aircraft was still very visible.

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<v Speaker 3>So that that's really unnerving.

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<v Speaker 2>So it said three hundred and not big plane. Three

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<v Speaker 2>serious injuries. You know, there's a lot of airports I

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<v Speaker 2>very few inp what's were there on highways because they

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<v Speaker 3>My wife and I were actually in Washington a couple

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<v Speaker 2>The Potomac said, you corrected the name of your river,

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<v Speaker 2>so Potomac. And that was a plane that took off

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<v Speaker 2>people who were just walking by who jumped into the river.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of there was one guy, forget his name,

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny was his first name, and he was a genuine hero.

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<v Speaker 2>as a true American hero. He saved people's lives that

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<v Speaker 3>Just and that evening the evening of that crash, my

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<v Speaker 3>back back in the eighties, he didn't get information as

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<v Speaker 3>quickly as you do now. When I had heard a

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<v Speaker 3>my mind. So, of course, yeah, horrible, I find Oh sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, no problem. I just wanted to I just wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to say, the longer the flight, the more unnerving we've

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<v Speaker 3>and a half hours from Vancouver to Sydney, that I

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<v Speaker 3>find the most unnerving, and simply because you wonder where

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<v Speaker 3>the plane could land if it ran into trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess over the water. Yeah, but I always

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<v Speaker 2>worry about takeoff and landings. That's my I feel. Once

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<v Speaker 2>you're up, you know, ten fifteen thousand feet, you're pretty good. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>planes can can have problems, but it's takeoff and landings.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a bad plane crash here back in this

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<v Speaker 2>early seventies, a plane that hit the sea wall here

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<v Speaker 2>and flipped over. I think it was nineteen seven July

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen seventy three. And those are the things because

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<v Speaker 2>there's such a tremendous loss of life that you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the one that everyone remembers was when

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Sullivan landed the plane in the Hudson River and

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<v Speaker 2>you had that pictures of the plane floating with people

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<v Speaker 2>standing one January, and that would have been I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 3>Mistaken, remember it. Well, yeah, I saw the movie as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hey, Paul, always great to you your voice call

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<v Speaker 2>more offen, my friend. I miss hearing from you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, Well do you take care of Dan? Have

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<v Speaker 3>an icy YouTube?

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<v Speaker 2>All six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty. One line

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<v Speaker 2>there six one, seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Have

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<v Speaker 2>recent air crashes given you pause about whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>you're likely to fly the friendly skies of United or

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<v Speaker 2>any other airlines? Or have you decided maybe they're from

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<v Speaker 2>now on some of those trains. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>trains are a great way to travel if you have

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<v Speaker 2>right now are six one, seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel free to light it up. Coming back on nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>All right, back to the cause we go. The question

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<v Speaker 2>of the hour is has this spate of plane crash

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we didn't have a big plane crash in

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<v Speaker 2>America from I think it's like two thousand and ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget the last big one. We went quite a

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<v Speaker 2>number of years in terms of America. Now, there were

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<v Speaker 2>some other lanes. The Malaysian plane that disappeared. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they've ever found that one. You had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of planes, I think the Russian shot down leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to the Ukraine War. But in terms of US air travel,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a remarkably safe run up until the helicopter

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<v Speaker 2>crash into the plane that took sixty seven lives. Next up,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go to Eileen. Hi, Eileen, welcome back. How

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>How you've traveled by plane? You've been on the same

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<v Speaker 2>plane on some of our trips as a.

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<v Speaker 5>Matter of fact, absolutely wonderful, wonderful trips. But I think

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<v Speaker 5>the next trip I want to take will be the

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<v Speaker 5>Great Lakes by boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great trip. I've heard that people. Matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, a friend of mine did that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they they went to Toronto, to Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, there

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<v Speaker 2>were several major cities.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 5>Saint Lawrence River, that's a very interesting part of our country.

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<v Speaker 6>So I guess the question at hand is is have

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<v Speaker 6>these recent plane accidents caused you to back away from

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, And it's it's not just the accidents, but there's

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<v Speaker 5>so many planes up there now, and we're so concerned

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<v Speaker 5>about air pollution and climate change, and I wonder if

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<v Speaker 5>all of these airplanes flying around up there aren't contributing

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<v Speaker 5>to pollution and climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they are. I mean, and I suspect everything contributes,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning automobiles, uh, you know, every trains, everything. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think we had is that you have everybody now wants

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to get an airplane and fly air

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<v Speaker 2>Air travel has become in the last twenty years, ironically,

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<v Speaker 2>after you know, nine to eleven has become very common.

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<v Speaker 2>Air travel is like what used to be bus travel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not special anymore, in my opinion, but ticket prices

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<v Speaker 2>are such that people could do it, and there's more

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<v Speaker 2>airlines there. But you're right, I mean, when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the planes taking off or landing at some of

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<v Speaker 2>our major airports, it's like, who can you know those

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<v Speaker 2>those air traffic control is they got to be on tropicy.

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<v Speaker 5>I lean, yeah, but I think they're big polluters too.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think I think we should consider how

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<v Speaker 5>much climate change might be caused by Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>We can talk more about that some night as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's an interesting topic. Ileen is always great.

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<v Speaker 2>Hear your voice. You sounds strong. We will talk soon.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, okay, yep, thanks Dan, good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh So that opens up one at six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>one seven nine three one ten thirty have recent plane

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<v Speaker 2>accidents because they are accidents. Remember we had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of crashes that well, there was that one off the

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<v Speaker 2>coast of Long Island that they believe one of the

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<v Speaker 2>pilots might have intentionally taken the plane down. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how that ever turned out in terms of their investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was but at least well probably more

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<v Speaker 2>than fifteen years ago. Let's go next to my friend

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<v Speaker 2>Jim in Kansas City. Jim, you're next. You fly much

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<v Speaker 2>or no? Jim?

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<v Speaker 7>Dan, Hey, thanks for taking my call. Uh I fly

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<v Speaker 7>very infrequently? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that by design or.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah? I mean I've lived pretty intentionally.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what I say was, Jim, some people

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<v Speaker 2>have jobs where they have to fly. Some people have

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<v Speaker 2>jobs where they don't have to fly and they have

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<v Speaker 2>no interest in it. Is that your category? You just

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<v Speaker 2>assume stay on the ground of terra firma.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm interviewed for a job one time city rent a truck,

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<v Speaker 7>of pickup trucks out out west and then fly back.

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<v Speaker 7>And I told I stood up in the middle of

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<v Speaker 7>am not interested in the job. I'm just so I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>I just you know, I think people that do it

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<v Speaker 7>do it of their own volition, public forces them on there.

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<v Speaker 7>But to answer, just to answer your question before we

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<v Speaker 7>get too far down the road. No, it hasn't changed

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<v Speaker 7>into my likelihood of flying at all, because I would

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<v Speaker 7>avoid it, like the plague. I feel like it's just

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<v Speaker 7>like a like a claustrophobic inside there, like and like

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<v Speaker 7>they take all of your freedoms and your rights away

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<v Speaker 7>from you. They're listen, you know, And I would just

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<v Speaker 7>assume drive because when you get there, you got to

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<v Speaker 7>rent a car anyway, and if you're run into trouble,

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<v Speaker 7>you can actually sleep in the vehicle. You can have

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<v Speaker 7>unlimited baggage in the vehicle, whatever you want. So my

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<v Speaker 7>likelihood of that of flying is very low. It's possible,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's very low. Some other things that I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>They excuse me, what's sam when they say you take

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<v Speaker 2>away your freedoms? When you think about it, okay, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the only freedom that you really lose, well, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>smoke on airplanes anymore. Okay, but you know, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to buckle up and you gotta sit in your seat.

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<v Speaker 2>What of the freedoms do you lose? You can't you

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<v Speaker 2>can't jump out of the plane, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>It's what you say you can't say. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of words that you can't say. If they hear you

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<v Speaker 2>Regardless if you say, if you say I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hijack this plane, I guarantee you you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of people putting hand cups on you. But

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<v Speaker 2>but what person would say that? Seriously?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I don't think you have to say something like that.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not it doesn't. But I just would not do

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<v Speaker 7>it because I just love.

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<v Speaker 2>You're an independent soul. By the way, I can see

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<v Speaker 2>you standing up when you said to me, you describe

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<v Speaker 2>how you stood up and set.

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<v Speaker 7>There was no movie. There was no movie about p

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<v Speaker 7>S A Flight number one eighty two. And I'll tell

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<v Speaker 7>you something else too. Here's the way I see it.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the people on the airplane, I don't understand

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<v Speaker 7>why the people on the airplane get compensation. I think

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<v Speaker 7>the people who should get compensation, or the people on

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<v Speaker 7>the ground. The way I see it, the people that

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<v Speaker 7>are on the airplane are like co conspirators there.

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<v Speaker 2>They I think that's a that's a fairly radical point

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<v Speaker 2>of view, but that's okay. Well, by the way.

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<v Speaker 7>People, by the way, the guy in Canada was saying

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<v Speaker 7>just exactly that. He was saying that. He was saying

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<v Speaker 7>that every time he goes by there, he's scared that

435
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<v Speaker 7>a plane is going to crash on him. And I'm

436
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<v Speaker 7>not afraid of it. But I think it's a reasonable

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<v Speaker 7>it's a reasonable time.

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<v Speaker 2>I getting an elevator, Jim, I'm scared the elevator might

439
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<v Speaker 2>one of the cords might break, and I could, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>die in the elevator. Look, the thing is, if a

441
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<v Speaker 2>plane crashes into your house and hurts you or your family,

442
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 2>you'll end up being compensated. But if a plane flies

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<v Speaker 2>overhead and you're a little troubled by it, there's really

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<v Speaker 2>no cause of action you can take. Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. I mean, there's no should be? Well

446
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<v Speaker 2>should be? What would you do like a noise noise

447
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<v Speaker 2>nuisance action or something.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, for one thing, I think when there's a plane crash,

449
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<v Speaker 7>all planes should be grounded until after we get a

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<v Speaker 7>rock solid And you alluded to it too, you said

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<v Speaker 7>you still don't even know whether that guy crashed the

452
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<v Speaker 7>plane intentionally because it's all like swept under the rug. Well,

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<v Speaker 7>we should be given rock solid answers about yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, first of all, I don't have the report

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<v Speaker 2>in front of me, but there was some suggestion that

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<v Speaker 2>one of the pilots on that plane was suffering from

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of mental stress, I mean, which is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons you got to put pilots through. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one thing, if Jim is driving his car, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the main route in Kansas City?

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<v Speaker 7>Route seventy, here's seventy or thirty thirty five, So if you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Driving twenty nine to Okay, I'm sorry, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>all the roads, but if you're driving to Kansas City

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<v Speaker 2>and you're blowing down the road in one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty in your car and you crash into somebody, you

466
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<v Speaker 2>know that can happen to So it's part of yep,

467
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<v Speaker 2>you it is, it's part of it's part of life. Hey, Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to run here, my man. You are always

469
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<v Speaker 2>one of my most interesting callers, whether we agree to disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know that.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, yeah, thanks, thanks pal talk.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll take very quick break. The only line open

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<v Speaker 2>now is six one seven two five four to ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>We got uh the other line Cholman to be give

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<v Speaker 2>you the number because they want the confusions full up.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one seven two five four to ten thirty. Have

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<v Speaker 2>the plane crashes of the last month and there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of big ones and a few little ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Has it changed your attitude your likelihood to get back

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<v Speaker 2>on a plane anytime soon? Back on nights Side after.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Dan Way Live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>to Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know when my my sound went there that

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<v Speaker 2>get real low there for a second, h Mike, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>notice for me anyway, Jason in Norwood. Jason next on Nightside,

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<v Speaker 2>Go right ahead, Hi.

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<v Speaker 7>Dan, Hey Dan, I heard you.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm well thanks. I heard you talking a week or

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<v Speaker 8>two ago. You mentioned flying in the glory days, when

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<v Speaker 8>it was bibilized and enjoyable. I used to love to fly.

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<v Speaker 8>I had am that took me across the Atlantic frequently,

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<v Speaker 8>and I was never a nervous flyer. I'm not really now.

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<v Speaker 8>I did have a few exciting incidents over the years,

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<v Speaker 8>but I'm less comfortable flying now. Not only has the

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<v Speaker 8>fun gone out of it, of course, and the miserable

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<v Speaker 8>experience in the airports, but I've lost all confidence in

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<v Speaker 8>Boeing aircraft. And it's not the recent crashes that have

498
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<v Speaker 8>cost me my caution. It's more what to me is

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<v Speaker 8>a pretty apparent of the COVID shots on the pilots,

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<v Speaker 8>pilots dropping dead in flight on the flight deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh that kind of thing. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa. How

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<v Speaker 2>often has that happened?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, it's happened, particularly after the shots were first out

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<v Speaker 7>and the mandates were very strict. There were quite a

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<v Speaker 7>number of those.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>I read the I read some belongings of populated by

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<v Speaker 8>commercial flight pilots. I used to be a private pilot.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to be honest with you, Jason, I'd never

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<v Speaker 2>heard that or saw that. Obviously, out of any you know, population,

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<v Speaker 2>on any given day, however, many some people will drop dead.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've never and I'm please, don't, don't, miss don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not suggesting that you're not telling me what you've read,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would assume that if there was a real

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<v Speaker 2>spike in what you talked about, that we would have

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<v Speaker 2>heard about it.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, well, the media dependent on the pharmaceutical companies

519
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<v Speaker 8>the seventy or eighty percent of their revenue. It's not

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<v Speaker 8>surprising that they don't cover it. What even alarmed me more, although.

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<v Speaker 9>There's Jason, what alarmed me more on these commercial pilot

522
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<v Speaker 9>blogs was the back channel discussions about pilots that were

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<v Speaker 9>experiencing symptoms and concealing.

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<v Speaker 8>Them because they didn't want to lose their jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that, But what I'm saying is there's a

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<v Speaker 2>variety of media out there, Jason, realistically, from the far

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<v Speaker 2>left to the far right, and a lot of them

528
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<v Speaker 2>are not relying upon pharmaceutical companies. First of all, most

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<v Speaker 2>legitimate news papers and television and radio stations. If there

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<v Speaker 2>really was a spate of pilots dropping dead in the

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<v Speaker 2>captain seat, I think we would have heard about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, yeah, Well, if you're familiar with the company

534
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<v Speaker 7>flight Aware, they do a monthly new summary, and there

535
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<v Speaker 7>were about two years running where there were frequent coverage

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<v Speaker 7>on the flight Aware monthly summary of pilots who died

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<v Speaker 7>in flight on major airlines.

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<v Speaker 8>It was happening. It's not happening so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what flight aware is also also his

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<v Speaker 2>flight track or if I'm not mistaken, right, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at flight aware right now. That's a legitimate site, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And what they do is they track and they show you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I'm looking at all the different airports and

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<v Speaker 2>all the planes that are flying in and out. You

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<v Speaker 2>can zoom in. It's a great website.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a very legitimate company. You can subscribe to their

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<v Speaker 8>monthly email news summaries, and that's what if you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken, do me a favorite if you can, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can find right now. For example, they're currently and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if this is worldwide or the U there

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<v Speaker 2>are currently twelve five flights in the air right now.

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<v Speaker 8>Now now, I'm not suggesting pilots were falling dead by

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<v Speaker 8>the dozens, but they were certainly falling dead by more

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<v Speaker 8>than the handfuls.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, favorite, if you go back and find any

557
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<v Speaker 2>of those old stories, get them to me. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I will do that. I know how to get

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<v Speaker 8>an email to you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll do that.

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<v Speaker 8>I will say that. I'm also concerned about signs that,

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<v Speaker 8>for whatever reason, the air traffic control system, including the

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<v Speaker 8>pilots who are part of that system, seemed to be overtaxed.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll tell you what troubled me the most of all

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<v Speaker 8>was that incident about half the year ago in Austin,

567
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<v Speaker 8>where the airport wasn't busy. The controller cleared an incoming

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<v Speaker 8>FedEx flight to land on a particular runway that that

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<v Speaker 8>plane was coming in on short final and then very

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<v Speaker 8>shortly after that he cleared a Southwest aircraft to take

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<v Speaker 8>that runway to departure. And what really shocks me is

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<v Speaker 8>that the flight crew, who were listening to all the

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<v Speaker 8>communications and were well aware that FedEx plane was barreling

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<v Speaker 8>down onto their runway, they accepted the clearance and took

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<v Speaker 8>the runway. Fortunately, the fed X.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not familiar with that one, Jason, so you know

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<v Speaker 2>I just.

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<v Speaker 8>As well.

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<v Speaker 2>Jon, Jason, Jason, we've done six minutes. I got full lines.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta get.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll let you know. I just want to summarize. I

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<v Speaker 8>still fly, and about the only precaution I take is

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<v Speaker 8>I'm careful to wear natural fiber clothing for the very

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<v Speaker 8>unlikely event that I might be caught in the fire

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<v Speaker 8>one time during a crash.

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<v Speaker 2>Good suggestion, Thanks Jason, appreciate the call. Have a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Ian and sand into and helped

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<v Speaker 2>me out here and go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>I Dan nice to speak with you. I'm with Eileen

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<v Speaker 4>about the pollution. I am very I was never too

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<v Speaker 4>concerned about science, but I am now hands down. Is

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<v Speaker 4>this because of the recent events? Yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 4>maintenance is a problem. Parts and maintenance. The last time

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<v Speaker 4>I flew Domestic, which was more than a year ago,

595
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.000
<v Speaker 4>it was such I was shocked at how old the

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<v Speaker 4>plane was.

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00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Used. They could used a lot more now. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how much time they get for rest and repair

599
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:55.079
<v Speaker 2>and maintenance. But boy, you're you're on a plane and

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00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.880
<v Speaker 2>you realize that the plate is flying from Boston to

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<v Speaker 2>La and it's going back to Boston that afternoon. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Yeah, I have a remembrance. I have a remembrance

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<v Speaker 4>for you. Do you remember there has anybody mentioned the

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<v Speaker 4>World Airway flight that skinned off the runway in Boston

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle of a snowstorm back in nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, no one's mentioned that. But I remember

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<v Speaker 2>being out at the end of that runway a night

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<v Speaker 2>or two later, and there were two individuals who were

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<v Speaker 2>flying who were up in the front of the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't be there, father and son, the Metcalfs.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, And they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were never found. That plane had left from San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it landed in Newark. And I remember being

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<v Speaker 2>at a I at a restaurant that afternoon. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a it was a horrible weather day, and I said

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<v Speaker 2>to someone that afternoon, I said, boy, I wouldn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be flying in an airplane tonight, and sure get

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<v Speaker 2>it off the end of the runway. And they never

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<v Speaker 2>found the Metcalfs that that plane ended.

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<v Speaker 1>In those in the harbor harbor, I see.

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<v Speaker 2>Harbor, And I remember being out there doing a live

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<v Speaker 2>shot a night or so later. And I've never been

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<v Speaker 2>in a situation where I was so cold that water

625
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<v Speaker 2>was running out of my eyes. They just came down

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, so believe me, I remember that fly. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that pretey we breezy. Oh it was more than breezy.

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<v Speaker 8>Just yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know that they I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>ever found There were rumors, but the Metcalfs were father's

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<v Speaker 2>son and they were they believe they were on that plane. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder where they were seated up front.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was the first class or business class,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that they were. They were plane, so

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see, you know, I don't know. I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>had more information on it. But that's a that's a

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<v Speaker 2>tough well, a tough memory for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, do you remember Locker in Boston?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you in Boston?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I was in Boston at that time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I left a few years later, but yes, And

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<v Speaker 4>I remember Marvelous Marvin Hackler was fighting. We were watching

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<v Speaker 4>his fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, it's a good memory of Marvelous Marvin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah ja, yeah, great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Marvin pretty well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I loved him.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, great, great, great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The date of that by the way, that was

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two. I remembered it as being a little earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>You said eighty four. Was it was January nineteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Eighty Jo, Yeah, yeah, there was somewhere in the early eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got bosing passengers right here, the Metcalfs they

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<v Speaker 2>were from. I believe love to know what happened, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if their family ever heard them. Seventy year old Walter

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<v Speaker 2>Metcalf and his forty year old son Leo boarded the

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<v Speaker 2>planet the last minute, and when not in the passenger

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<v Speaker 2>manifest during the crash, they ended up in the water

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<v Speaker 2>and with neither of them able to swim as presume

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<v Speaker 2>they had driving. Police divers sented the scene, but the

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<v Speaker 2>bodies of the pair never never found. All right, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to run here. Thanks, thanks so much. You later,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, good night. I'd like to continue with this

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<v Speaker 2>into the next hour. If not, we'll go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Light the lines up back after this