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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Eric Dirth, and I'm coming to you from Cleveland, Ohio.

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Welcome to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast. Jason

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and Dee are taking a deep dive into Private Eyes,

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the nineteen eighty one album from halland Oates. The sound

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of paranoia, heartbreak, and really really good Hair. Recorded at

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Electric Ladies Studios and largely self produced by Daryl Hall

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and John Oates, this album locks in their signature blend

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of unusual R and B pop and just a hint

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of someone's definitely following me. You've got hits like Private

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Eyes and the heavily eighties synthesizer track I Can't Go

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for That, No Can do. It's got it all eighties

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pop culture sounds, heavy synths with driving and creative vocals

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that cemented Hall.

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Speaker 2: And Oaks as fan favorites.

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Speaker 1: It's sleek, it's catchy, and if Trust Issues had a soundtrack,

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this might just be it. So sit back and enjoy

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the hair proud, synth driven pop, classic R and B

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album equivalent of Mister Toad's Wild Ride. As the Shirley

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Guys discuss the Hall and Odes nineteen eighty one phenomenon

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Private Eyes.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcasts. Jason,

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we are here today to talk about the most successful

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duo in music history. You know who this is.

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Speaker 3: It's Lennon McCartney.

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Speaker 2: I was the Fab four, So not a duo, Okay,

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I see.

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Speaker 3: Where you're going. But no, not right right.

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Speaker 2: Harrison still wrote some songs stringo saying something that's sure duo, okay,

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Simon garfuggl No, the Eurythmics, No, Sunny and Share, No,

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the Everly Brothers. Okay, I think eighties eighties yeah, wam no,

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Tis for Fears, no, rock Sead, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Did you study at all? Like, are you going to

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be ready for this?

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Speaker 3: I canteen, Yeah, Brooks and Dunn, the Judds. I mean,

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what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 2: We are here today to talk about the most successful

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duo in music history, and that is Hall and Oats.

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Speaker 3: Hall and Oates, of course, absolute hit making machines. In

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the mid eighties, they were undeniable.

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Speaker 2: In early MTV, they were undeniable, and early MTV, however,

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they were very deniable when they first got started.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: There'll be an interesting story for us to talk about

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but like after album three the record label was like

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you suck by now and they were done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that they weren't. We almost lost them.

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Speaker 2: We did almost lose them. But I would say the

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magic of number one, their ability, number two the type

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of music they were playing in the time of history

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that they were playing it sure, and some very fortuitous

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circumstances including the birth of MTV.

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Speaker 4: For man.

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Speaker 3: On absolutely one hundred percent. This is a three parter.

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So we've done Jay Giles Band, Freeze Frame, Yep, we

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did minute Work business as usual last week with James Buckley, Yes,

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with James Buckley. And then this is their third of three,

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This is Private Eyes.

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Speaker 2: All of these came out in eighty one. This Private Eye,

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I belief, came out November of eighty one.

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Speaker 3: I got September one, Okay, we'll go with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could be wrong. I'm going I don't have

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any notes. It's all up here.

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Speaker 3: September first, all right. Dates. Yes, this is their tenth

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studio album, tenth. It took him a while to kind

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of get going, it did, but once they got going, man,

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they were a hit making duo.

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Speaker 2: Unstoppable and basically from I would say from eighty to

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eighty five. They had a number one hit every single year,

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if not multiple.

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Speaker 3: I've got a list of their hits which we'll go

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through here in just a few minutes. Sure, but it's

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like this song number one, this song number three, this

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song number five, this song number one. I mean everyone

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they released was just to the.

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Speaker 2: Top of the bullet absolutely. You know, it's interesting. I

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also my mom was a fan like I had that

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can remember wearing private Eyes out like specifically that song

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and then another one. A couple songs later they were

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forced to be reckoned with. One of the songs that

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I was crazy about was family Man Okay, which I

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think that came the album after this one Okay. That

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was H two Oh it's h two oh okay, And

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then when that one had man Eater on it too, right.

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Speaker 3: It did have many Oh my God, which was written

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about Do you remember this? We talked about at this

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Roseanna arcuat was it?

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Speaker 3: It was not Roseanne arcad Was it? Was it?

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Speaker 2: Weird science? What's her name?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Whips? Chains. What was her name? We're not talking

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candlewags on the nipples. Kelly Lebron, Yes, Kelly Brock, Yes,

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that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, man, Well, here we are in nineteen

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eighty one. Let's dive in with the opening track.

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Speaker 2: All right, forty five years of ago this year, guys,

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here we go, track number one, the title track, This

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is Private Eyes.

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Speaker 5: Let's see you.

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Speaker 3: This song is a freaking banger. I dare anybody not

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to be tapping their toes while we played this song.

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It's an absolute eighties classic hand clapper.

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Speaker 2: Yes one. I ate this up when I was a

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little kid. It just it's the perfect pop sensibility. Like

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you said, the hand clapping going on. It's just you

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can't you can't not get engaged with this song. I

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can kind of remember this song. You remember DTV. You

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remember when Disney had like like they did their music videos,

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except it was like Disney cartoons. Yes, Private Eyes was

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one of my favorites to watch of those like the

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DTV videos with TV. I mean, keep it, keep in mind.

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Speaker 3: Eighty one.

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Speaker 2: I was five, yeah, you know, I was five going

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on six and so so by you know, a couple

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of years later, when Disney Channel is doing DTV, I was.

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I was all in for my favorite song with my

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favorite cartoons.

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Speaker 3: I remember listening to this song driving to my dad's

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church league softball games in the back of the station

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wagon with Chris Alexander and Chad Alexander and we're back

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there jamming out to private Eyes. This song was released

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August of nineteen eighty one. This is the lead single.

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Yeah it hits number one November seventh of nineteen eighty one.

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I gotta give you the top five from that wave. Okay,

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all right, so here we go, November seventh, nineteen eighty one.

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Number five trying to Live My Life Without You, Bob

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Seeger Okay, yeah, I mean I know it, but yeah,

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all right. Number four for your Eyes Only Sheena Easton.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, from James Bond.

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Speaker 3: Go back to our Bond theme Songs episode Yep. I

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don't remember who drafted that one, but it was a

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pretty high pick.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one.

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Speaker 3: Number three the Arthur's theme Oh Christopher.

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Speaker 2: Crosser cross which we talked about last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which we attempted to watch Arthur and d fell asleep.

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Speaker 2: It was late and uh and yeah, when you're watching

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somebody who's half drunk, you kind of get a little woozy.

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Speaker 3: You were a little cozy. Number two Start Me Up

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by the Stones, Oh dude, yeah, yep. And then Private

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Privatize was number one. Two weeks later, it got knocked

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out of the number one spot by Olivia Newton John Physical.

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I told you a couple of weeks ago that maybe

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Physical is the most successful song of the eighties. It

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was number one for ten weeks. Okay, it gets knocked

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out by another hol of note song. We'll talk about

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here in a minute, all right. So this song was

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written by Warren Pash, Jana and Sarah Allen and Darryl Hall.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we're going to talk about Sarah and Jana

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here in just a minute, not on the song, because

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there's too much to talk about on this song in particular.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we will talk.

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Speaker 2: About them in more detail and just a bit.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I got a story. Warren Pash had a song

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called I Need You to Need Me okay, and he

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didn't really like the title, and he's this is it,

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like this is the early iteration of this song. And

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he's driving around and I need you to need me? Okay.

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He's driving around on Ventura Boulevard in nineteen eighty all right,

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and he sees a bill board. I kid you not

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for the don knots Tim Conway Comedy, shut up the

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private Eyes. I kid you not.

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Speaker 5: I said when I died that i'd come back. If

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you believe in ghosts, you're on the right track. I'm

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out of the grave and roaming the moors. If you

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want to be safe, you better lock all the windows

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and screams.

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Speaker 3: Are you out of your gord?

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Speaker 2: Wow? That was we I mean, we have an interesting

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you had the Hunchback with the ners and

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n and hoard nears.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the buckso yeah, yes, all of that. And

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family this comic genius. And I put it in and

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like fifteen minutes in, I was like, what appeal did

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Speaker 3: It's so bad. She heard of me, so listen. Okay,

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there are three movies that in the eighties that I

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love that maybe nobody else loves in the entire planet. Okay,

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hot Dog the movie Well Privatize with Don Natson, Tim Conway.

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I freaking love that movie. Yeah, you gotta watch out

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for wooolars when you're watching it, right, hot Dog the movie.

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I don't care what anybody says. I freaking love that movie.

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Secret Admirer the other day. He's like, oh, man, an

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eighties classic that I missed. Oh yah, And I was like,

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movies that you haven't seen. John Oates. Every time I

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look at him when he's clean shaven, I think had

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they cast Lufarigno in Twins instead of Arnold Schwarzenegger, he

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would have been the perfect Danny de Vito character because

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they have the same face he and he and Lou

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Speaker 3: We you, we would know we met him up close.

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We met Lufrigno up close. Don't meet your here.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I still want to be the Hawk, just not him.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, By the way, I sent you last night.

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I texted you and I said call this number.

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Speaker 2: I didn't call. Yeah, so Jace Jason texted me last

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night and said, have you tried calling this number yet?

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Seven two six six two eight three seven. Trust me,

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I have no idea what we're about to hear.

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Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to call a note your emergency

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halland does helpline to hear one on one, Please press

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one to hear it, go, please press two to hear

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many to please press three to hear privatize, please press four.

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Speaker 3: I love it. This is fantastic your emerging and see

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Hall of Notes hotline. That that is wonderful. It's called

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callon Notes, Call of Notes. It's a Colorado Springs number.

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That's great. How about that?

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. I'm sorry that I didn't call it earlier.

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It was worth exactly right, trust me. That is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the music video.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they're walking around trench grots, right.

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very very basic. Right. So I heard a story that

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what are you doing, guys? Nothing thinking about lunch? Yeah, exactly,

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come on over, We're gonna shoot a music video. Really,

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what are we doing? I don't know. We'll figure it

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out when you get here. Like this is what music

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videos were back in the day. Right, Yes, they went

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over to the studio, took about two hours.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: You know, they just banged out a little video.

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Speaker 2: So they didn't have to go a record studio. We

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need you to give us two hundred thousand dollars, and

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we need to be flying across the stage, and we

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need hot girls and bikinis. They had a guy who

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called them up and said, hey, let's I'm gonna make

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your music video.

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Speaker 3: And they were like okay, sure what I literally called

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them that morning said come on over, here's your sunglasses,

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here's your fedora. Right now. We said that.

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Speaker 2: This came out September first of nineteen eighty one, that's.

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Speaker 3: Right, one month prior on August first, nineteen eighty one

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was the debut of MTV. Yeah, perfect timing.

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Speaker 2: Whole different world, man, gosh. I mean it's been on

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a month and somebody's smart enough to go. I know,

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I know the phone number for Haul and Oates and

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they're gonna need a video because this looks awesome. I've

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got a video camera.

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Speaker 3: Do the hand collapse, well, put it all over MTV.

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It'll be a massive hit.

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Speaker 2: I've got five trench coats.

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Speaker 3: That's great. Honestly, this is a really great pop song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 3: And the music video and the timing of everything, and

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let's be honest. Daryl Hall has a wonderful singing voice.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful singing voice, tall, blonde, good looking guy, yep, and

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he's got somebody that looks different than him.

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Speaker 3: And John Oas has got an incredibly killer mustache. He

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has an incredibly lucky life, is what he is. I

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do want to be a John Oates defender, but I

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wasn't able to figure how to do that, so we'll

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just keep her.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he he has co writing on zhits, he does.

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Speaker 3: And he sings on a couple of these tracks. Uh huh,

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we'll talk about that, okay, all right, Yeah, all right,

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last tidbit. Okay, I saw this on the liner notes

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for like their greatest hits, Private Eyes was originally titled

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head above Water with H two to oh as the

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water put a pin in that it'll come back.

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Speaker 2: Up well, and I mean the album after this.

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Speaker 3: The album after this, and then I'm gonna make a

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case that it should have come back up later in

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this album.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, all right, all right, next song on the album,

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this one is called looking for a Good Sign.

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Speaker 8: Days Gone Down, looking for sime from you, what you

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find gone?

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Speaker 5: What you thinking about? A lot of goody?

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Speaker 8: It will do while you find you find me, while

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you tease me?

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Speaker 5: Why you geez?

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Speaker 2: All right in West Philadelphia, born and raised, So this

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is this is a great example of the music style

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that these guys grew up on. They were huge fans

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of the Temptations, like the Temptations were their Beatles. They

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were not Beatles fans until much later. Even on the album.

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and he put that influence in on the second side

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of the album and they're like, yeah, we wouldn't have

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done that, we would have just kicked it out. But anyway,

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So they grew up West Philadelphia, went to school at Temple.

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John Oates actually was a wrestler and had gotten a

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wrestling scholarship really, but yeah, gave it up to because

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he wanted to go to Temple. He wrestled for Temple

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for like one semester and he's like, I'm just tired

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of losing weight all the time. Just kind of try

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to make music. And so he had a band called

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the Masters, and Daryl Hall, who was also going to Temple,

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who was a senior while John Oates was a freshman,

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he had a band called the Temptones Timptones timp Tones,

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very I mean obvious connection to the Temptations, right, And

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so one night they're playing at I think it's the

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al Delphi. Al Delphi, yes, the name of the theater

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that they're playing at. And it's a big as I

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understand it. It was for a high school, but like

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the high schools had fraternity, so it must have been

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some kind of college prep thing or whatever. But I

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mean in Philly, if you don't like the other fraternity,

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you might pull out your knife or your gun. And

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that is exactly what happened at this show that these

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two bands were supposed to play at and so when

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warfare broke out on the concert floor, John and Darryl

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headed out the back and made their way.

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Speaker 3: To their lives.

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Speaker 2: Get on the elevator at the same time. Have never

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met before, so they find out they're both going to

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the same school, right, and they hit it off. They

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become roommates. Eventually like they move apart, but they end

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up getting back together again in sixty nine and forming

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this band called their last names Hall and Oates.

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, I'm gonna crrect you on one thing, Okay,

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number one. They do not like to be called Hall

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and Oates. Oh yeah, like never on any of their

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albums or anything, it's always Daryl Hall and John Oates.

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Speaker 2: But the name of the band is Hollow Oats.

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Speaker 3: They push back on that. They have made it clear

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they want to be referred to as Daryl Hall and

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John Oates. Okay, I'm telling you, well, I'm calling them

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how all of notes. Okay, I've called them all. MoMA

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named him Clay.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call him Clay, Okay with me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to back up though, because you said something.

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We kind of breathed past it. But these guys were

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at a talent show Battle of the bands. They're in

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different bands. Gunplate occurs, they go scrambling, they end up

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on the same elevator. They meet on an elevator while

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ducking for cover, and we get the most successful musical

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duo of all time.

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Speaker 2: Just like I said, one of many fortuitous events that

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occurs in this band's history.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy.

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Speaker 3: So we talked about how this song is a temptation, Temptation, Temptation.

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So Daryl Hall talked about how this song came to

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him in a dream. You know, we've several times, I

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think we've talked about how certain artists feel like they've

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downloaded this song from God. Right now, Daryl didn't go

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that far, but he did have it in a dream.

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He says, this is a dream song. It like came

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to him in his brain while he was sleeping. Yeah,

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he woke up, had a song perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, the Temptations they went on to play. They had

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a whole album live at the Apollo in nineteen eighty

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five with the Temptations. Yeah, However, I dug this up.

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They played first with the Temptations in Live Aid in

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Philadelphia in nineteen eighty five. Here's the set list. Do

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you want to hear the set list? Out of Touch banger,

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Yes Man, Eater Banger Banger, And then you had a

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medley with David Ruffin and Eddie Kendrick of the Temptations

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get Ready, Ain't Too Proud to beg the way you do,

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the thing you do and my Girl. These guys love

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the Temptations.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they definitely do. Yeah, Okay, next one, Yeah,

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let's do it. This is this is one that it's

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it's kind of a deep track. You may not have

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heard of this one.

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Speaker 3: The song is called I Can't go for That? Oh, no,

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can do? I can't go for that?

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Speaker 2: Okay. So it was interesting to listen to this album

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track version because when the song starts off and you

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have this drum machine playing and a bassline come in,

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and I keep waiting and I'm like, I don't remember

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this beginning of the song, because I think every time

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that I've heard this song, it begins with no, no, no no.

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Speaker 3: And it's magical that you're talking about chime No.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful, perfect, like the perfect sound, the perfect three notes,

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just what it's just captivating, you know what?

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Speaker 3: That chime reminds me of all right, tell me I'm crazy,

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But this is what that little musical riff reminds me of.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's funny, I mean I could yes, yeah, Allen Sevestri.

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It's the wind chimes. I looked it up to see

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who was playing the wind chimes, and there is no

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win wind chime listed on the instruments in this one,

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so it must be a synthesizer. Yeah, yeah, this is

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this is interesting And do you know like this this

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apparently like for my whole life, I thought this was

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about a guy and a girl and like, you know,

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like listen, I like you a lot, but I'm just

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not going for that. It's not it's about the it's

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about them dealing with the record industry.

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Speaker 3: I heard that. I heard that. I'm not sure I

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totally buy that. I do know that there's what John

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Oates said, Well, they had some rough goings with the

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record industry. I do know that. And Darryl Hall even

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continues to like I saw an interview with him and

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he's like, it's they're all snakes and they're not to

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be trusted and we got screwed out of so much money.

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So I hit definitely some hard Feelings. Lyrically, though, this

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song is very similar to this song what You just Said. Look,

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I like you a lot, but I'm not just gonna

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I just can't go there.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Literally, I would do anything for love, but I won't

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do that.

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Speaker 2: So both of those songs, I mean, both the Back

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to the Future and Beat Love released their things after

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this album. So if anybody's taken borrowing anything, it's them

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from p from Darryl Hall and John Oates, which is

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the last time I'm going to say both of their names.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, you call it Hall and Oates, That's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 3: This was the second single released late nineteen eighty one.

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It knocks Physical out of the number one spot. Yeah,

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goes all the way to number one.

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Speaker 2: Here's your top five, all right, all right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, number five Hard in My Heart by quarter Flash,

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great song. Yep, they knocked Physical down to number four.

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Deep track Centerfold number three band Jay Guiles Band, which

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Centerfold goes on to knock this one out of the

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number one spot. Indeed, Waiting for a Girl Like You

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is number two.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that would be Foreigner And of course Mick Jones

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was a producer for fifty one to fifty absolutely talked

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about a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Yes, awesome, I'm gonna make the case that this song

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is maybe one of the most sampled songs in music history.

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One of those people who took from this song, Yeah,

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confronted Daryl Hall at the USA for Africa recording of

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We Are the World Okay, and said, I really liked

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your song. I can't go for that. I took the

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bassline to make my song. Billy Jean Michael Jackson went

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up to Daryl Hollans what yes, what Andy? He said that,

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he said, I took the bassline from this song to

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make maybe the most famous bassline song of all time.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And you know what Daryl Hall said, Good for you man,

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We all do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's good for him that he can admit that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was fine. You know, it's probably that the

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table of sub sandwiches that was sitting there he and

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Billy Joel and Bruce Preestey were partaking. Yeah. Okay, Now

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I've got a couple of songs I want to play

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for you, just just for our younger listeners. Okay, if

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we have any younger listeners out there, we do.

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Speaker 2: People listening with their parents, with their dad.

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Speaker 3: Probably Okay, I'm gonna play this song Sunrise. I simply read.

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Speaker 9: Okay, oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: All right. Just a few of the samples, including Billy Jean,

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a little song you may have heard of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you got on the music video

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on this one?

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Speaker 3: So not much going on in the music video. Again,

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it's one of those where they spent more on pizza

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than they did the music video. It's just kind of

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darkly lit. It has that top light, a lot of

468
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:42,640
keyboard stuff. Nothing really happened just then for me.

469
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nineteen eighty one.

470
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: It was nineteen eighty one. I love the song. It's

471
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,559
a freakin' banger.

472
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,839
Speaker 2: You're and I mean, I can't tell you how many

473
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:08,240
times that somebody said suggested something that I was.

474
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: Like, no way, I'm doing that. That way. I can't go

475
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:20,039
over that. No, no can do all right. Next song

476
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:50,240
on the album is a song called Bno Amano Around.

477
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,880
I love this song. It's great. I think this could

478
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,160
have easily been a hit.

479
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,519
Speaker 2: Yeah it was a I mean yeah, this could have

480
00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:59,960
been a single. This one is just John Oates as

481
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,400
the writer and singing, and obviously Daryl's doing backing vocals

482
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,559
on this one, right, Yeah, No, this is a This

483
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:06,200
is a good song.

484
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: It's a good song. Chorus is great. My question to

485
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:11,960
you is not that it's a bad song, but if

486
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,559
Daryl Hall sings this, is it a better song?

487
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: Of course.

488
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,799
Speaker 3: It's kind of like when they ask Glenn Fry in

489
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,440
the Eagles, He's like, well, of course we've got Don Henley, right.

490
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you noticed I started

491
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,559
singing fewer songs, right we had Don Henley right, right,

492
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:31,000
But you.

493
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: Know, Daryl Hall is pretty much always going to be

494
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,880
the best singer in the room.

495
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's I got to imagine that it's kind

496
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,880
of hard to be John Oates and in that shadow

497
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,680
all of the time. And so yeah, I mean, if

498
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,000
you've written one by yourself, that's actually a pretty decent,

499
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,480
stung good song. The hopes that maybe one that you

500
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,519
sing might get some MTV play or get released as

501
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:51,960
a single off, of course I can see that.

502
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. By the way, this song means my

503
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,920
wife's a Spanish teacher, So I'm gonna try and nail this, Okay.

504
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,640
It's pretty tough, mano Amano is hand to hand in Spanish.

505
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,759
Speaker 2: It's not man to man.

506
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 3: It is not man span so motto a mono makes

507
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,279
me think Tommy Mattol, Tommy Mottola, Tommy Mottola.

508
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: By the way, guys, don't let this dissuade you from

509
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:32,519
joining our Patreon page. There was one, you know, black

510
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,359
mark on our history and our.

511
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,279
Speaker 3: Listen.

512
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,559
Speaker 2: I'm I went out of my way to make it

513
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,960
not about Mariah Carey, but it was about her Christmas

514
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,400
song which reappears every year.

515
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,559
Speaker 3: It's going to be a number one hit.

516
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,759
Speaker 2: This slashes every other Christmas song.

517
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:50,039
Speaker 3: It's guaranteed to be a number one hit. It basically

518
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,519
basically is.

519
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,599
Speaker 2: And Tommy Mottolek was a big part of her story

520
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,000
right now.

521
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: He loved her the way Phil Spector loved running Running Spector.

522
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,680
It's yeah, it's a little creepy, a little creepy.

523
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: But Tommy Mattola, I mean, he's been the president of

524
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,079
CBS Records, he's been the president of Sony. I mean

525
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:13,200
some big any music, some pretty big, pretty impressive stuff.

526
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,880
But at one time he was just a schlep. He

527
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:22,480
was just a gopher. And at that time when he

528
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,160
was just a nobody doing errands for other big people,

529
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,480
he came across these two guys and he.

530
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: Was like, you look at him.

531
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: And they both got hair down to their shoulders and

532
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:35,400
one of them is tall and one of them's not,

533
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:38,119
and one of them's blonde and the other one's brunette,

534
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,599
and it's just like this striking image. And then he

535
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,519
heard him play and he was like, I can manage

536
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:47,480
you guys, and they said he can sell anything. And

537
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,559
he sold them like he went out and hit the

538
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,200
road for them, did everything he could to get them

539
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,640
in front of every record label that he could find.

540
00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:00,319
Was just a masterful marketer, and ultimately he gets them

541
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,039
in front of Atlantic and it's like, this is it.

542
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,359
This is the do or die And they got in

543
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,200
there and they did it and they walked out and they're like,

544
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,319
well we blew that. Oh, and then they got the

545
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:11,559
offer from Atlantic Records?

546
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: Is that right?

547
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:12,559
Speaker 2: Yes?

548
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: What year was this?

549
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,039
Speaker 2: This would have been seventy one seventy two, And there's

550
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,480
this really ridiculous picture of them signing their contract and

551
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,920
the pin is like about this big, it's gigantic, a

552
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,880
pencil maybe even, but anyway, you know, the standard rich

553
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,839
and famous contract, right, So immediately out of the gate,

554
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,200
they blow it out of the water with their album

555
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:34,599
called Whole Oats.

556
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: Whole Oats, Why that's a.

557
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,039
Speaker 2: Horror Why why would you do that? And it was

558
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:44,359
a picture of a can of oats, not a particularly

559
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,039
flattering picture of the can at that, Like it's even

560
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,359
the picture of the can is bad.

561
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,079
Speaker 3: Their their cover art is not really that good.

562
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,559
Speaker 2: It's not many of their albums have. Yeah, they lack

563
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,680
some artistic appeal to them. So that one I was joking,

564
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:05,000
did nothing got like no singles, didn't chart nothing, all right,

565
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:08,519
but they that's all right, Freshman attempt wasn't so good.

566
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,359
Let's see what happens with album number two. So album

567
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,680
number two is abandoned Luncheonette and it is literally a

568
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,000
picture of a diner car that's like broken down with

569
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,039
weeds around it on their album cover.

570
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,599
Speaker 3: That makes me want to buy records.

571
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,359
Speaker 2: They went out like they had their photographer friend and

572
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:29,759
we're like, oh, this is the perfect picture for our album,

573
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,160
and they go they got chased off by the owner

574
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,000
like they they were not supposed to go inside. And

575
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,440
I guess like it got confrontational or whatever.

576
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: But don't take a picture of my right.

577
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so whole Loots came out in seventy two.

578
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,519
Abandoned Luncheonette came out in seventy three. It had a

579
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:54,119
song that charted, but it only got to number sixty. Okay,

580
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,160
but there's more to the story than that, right Okay, yep,

581
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:02,839
all right, So they that's seventy three. Seventy four, they

582
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,319
come out with an album called war Babies. This is

583
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:09,960
their third album for Atlantic. Still no top forty hits.

584
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,559
Right now, these guys we've talked about, they're they're the

585
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:16,720
blue eyed soul, right, that's the Temptations influence, all that stuff.

586
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,920
We know them as that, but apparently with this one

587
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,559
they were really they got kind of ziggy stardust ideals

588
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:28,359
and they did some weird, strange stuff. Now, the producer

589
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,880
on this one we've talked about a couple of times now.

590
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:34,319
His name's Todd Rudgren. Yeah to talk, Yeah, I do,

591
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,000
so tell me Todd's.

592
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,839
Speaker 3: So here's what I remember about Todd Rundgren. He was

593
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,640
I think married to Baby Buell for a little bit.

594
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,279
Baby Buell, Baby Buell playmate Slash Groupie had a baby

595
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:48,039
with Stephen Tyler.

596
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: Yes you might remember.

597
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: Her name is liv Tyler.

598
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: Yes, she was in a few things.

599
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: Yes, liv Tyler was actually raised by Todd Rudgren stepdad. Yeah,

600
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,920
but she thought he was her dad. Well she looked

601
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,240
exactly like Steven Tyler. But Todd Rudgren he invented something

602
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,559
we've talked about what well, I.

603
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,359
Speaker 2: Mean number one, he's a prolific musician, right, he has

604
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,839
a unique style to his stuff. He's been involved in

605
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,599
a countless things that we've talked about before. But yeah,

606
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,839
he invented the first color graphics tablet. So like back

607
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:22,799
in the back in the eighties, I think, so, you know,

608
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,240
like the precursor to iPad and iPhones. It was invented

609
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,559
by Tddrenerd And so he was supposed to be the

610
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:32,599
guy that kind of kept Hall and Daryl Hall and

611
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,000
John Oates in check and made sure that they were

612
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,839
doing something good because this is their last shot, like

613
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,359
this third album called war Babies, which is about the

614
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,359
baby boomers War Babies, maybe it makes sense right right,

615
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:49,839
And instead he just lets them go wild and Atlantic

616
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,160
is like you're fired, They're dropped, They're done. Hall and

617
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:55,960
Oates is done.

618
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: They dead in the water.

619
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,759
Speaker 2: Chances like this was yeah, War Babies came out in

620
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,480
seventy four. It cracked the top one hundred and at

621
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,920
eighty six for the album, right, not good enough for

622
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,880
Atlantic records. Right now, I've said bunch of weird events

623
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,119
that happened, right, yeah, yeah, okay, So back on Abandoned Luncheonette,

624
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:18,920
I said that there was a song that got to

625
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:23,000
number sixty. Right, that's still not super impressive, right, but

626
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,880
it kind of they kind of had an underground or

627
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:29,360
an overseas really following They were very popular in the

628
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,719
UK and some a couple of people decided to cover

629
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,480
this song that only got to number sixty. Lou Rawls

630
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,559
was one of them. The other band that covered him

631
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,840
was a band called Tavares. Do you remember talking about Tavares.

632
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,559
Speaker 3: On the Saturday Night Fever soundtracks? Exactly right? Did they

633
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,920
do like more than a woman? More than a woman?

634
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,199
That's right? Yes?

635
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: Who good job man, good memory?

636
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: Right?

637
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So before they did that nineteen seventy six, So

638
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,000
three years after Abandoned Luncheonette came out, they covered this

639
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:10,360
song by Holland Oates and the name of that song

640
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:15,239
is She's Gone.

641
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 8: She is Gone, Gone.

642
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: Gone, like childhood comes crashing in right now.

643
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean this is a song that John

644
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,079
Oates wrote, like he got stood up by a girl

645
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:40,360
and he's just like, well.

646
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 3: She's gone, he's gone, She's gone. Yeah.

647
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,199
Speaker 2: It starts playing the guitar and like, oh hey, this

648
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,880
is pretty good.

649
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: Right.

650
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,159
Speaker 2: It got to number sixty when they released it the

651
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:52,039
first time, but when Tavares covers it in seventy six,

652
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,000
they also happened to have just come out with their

653
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,480
first album with their new record label RCA. Okay, and

654
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,719
that one is called Daryl Hall and John Oates.

655
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,119
Speaker 3: Right.

656
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,559
Speaker 2: I don't know why that wasn't their first album, but anyway,

657
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,559
so they have a song on that album that is

658
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,440
also getting some popularity. This one is called Sarah Smile

659
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:15,800
And when I.

660
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 6: Feel I can't come on, you comment, oh me, it's

661
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:28,199
you and me forever, Sarah.

662
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: Oh well, Sarah, I love this one. Love.

663
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: So you have this beautiful moment where Tavares is covering

664
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,800
one of your old songs that never really did that

665
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,280
much for you, but you've got a new song which

666
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,000
ultimately hit number four in nineteen seventy six. Right, and

667
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,079
so at this exact same time, nineteen seventy six, they

668
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,800
are they've got that song and this song that this

669
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,079
other band has covered, and so what does Atlantic do.

670
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,320
They're like, oh, crap, the song's doing well, let's re

671
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,000
release it.

672
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: Dust it off.

673
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 2: They dusted it off. They re released it in seventy

674
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:21,320
six and it goes all the way up to number seven.

675
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 10: Gone, how about that?

676
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:41,559
Speaker 2: All the way up to number seven. That album, the album,

677
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,320
the original one that hadn't been out.

678
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,159
Speaker 3: For three years, goes up to number thirty three. It's

679
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,679
incredible the patience that the record companies were having at

680
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,760
this time. Now, even two albums, you don't make it

681
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,199
in two albums, you're dropped, You're gone exactly.

682
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,039
Speaker 2: Now here's the rest. Here's where they here's where they

683
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:04,199
turned a home run into a grand slam.

684
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:04,679
Speaker 3: Okay.

685
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: For their seventy five album, they had Sarah Smile. Now

686
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,639
that's about Sarah Allen. Yes, we'll talk more about her

687
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,079
in a second. Now, Sarah Allen had an old boyfriend

688
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,519
she was dating Daryl Hall newly dating him. They ended

689
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,760
up being together for thirty years. Oh really, Okay, And

690
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,400
one of her old boyfriends shows up and I guess

691
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,079
he's like the son of some sort of restaurant franchise.

692
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,320
Mogul or something like that, and Daryl's just watching this

693
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:39,280
guy just be a complete idiot, douche jackass, jackass, and

694
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:44,400
he's like, well, I guess it doesn't matter because Daddy's

695
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,360
gonna make him okay, a good, good, good thing. He's

696
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,000
a rich guy.

697
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,159
Speaker 3: He's a rich guy.

698
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: And so he starts writing a song called You're a

699
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,480
rich guy, right, and then he's like, guy, doesn't sound right.

700
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,199
Let's change that to she's a rich girl.

701
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: You're a rich girl, and you're gone too far cause

702
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,039
you know it don't matter anyway.

703
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,559
Speaker 5: You can rely on the old man's money. You can

704
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,559
rely on the old man.

705
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 4: It's a bitch, girl, but it don't too far cause

706
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,239
you know it don't matter anyway, said mine, and money

707
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,519
won't get your new bargain too far.

708
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: Heck yeah, man, heck yeah.

709
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy six, this band that had gotten dropped

710
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,599
by their record label because of a couple of covers

711
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,360
of an basically unknown song that they did a couple

712
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,440
of inspirations by Sarah Allen, Yes, and all of a

713
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:43,800
sudden they explode.

714
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: It's incredible, man, I love it. Next song on the

715
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,760
album is called did It in a.

716
00:39:48,719 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 8: Minute I was coming home This dogbody waiting.

717
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:23,519
Speaker 5: Okay.

718
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: This is the third single released in March of nineteen

719
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,000
eighty two. This goes all the way to number nine.

720
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:29,599
This is a top ten hit. Nice.

721
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly don't have a strong memory of this song.

722
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,360
I don't like either. It's vague in my memory. But

723
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,000
there was a lot going on in nineteen eighty two

724
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,280
for it to be contending with as well.

725
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,039
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah. Can I tell you about the origins

726
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,280
of this song please? All right? So this song was

727
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,280
inspired by the nineteen seventy seven hit she Did It

728
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,559
by Eric Carmen.

729
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: Remember the last time we talked about him. Eric Carmen

730
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,480
was big on the dirty dance already.

731
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: Dancing very good. Yeah, he got his inspiration for the

732
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,960
song she Did It. Deff Dave? Are you listening from

733
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,360
a Beach Boys song called do It Again? How about that? Okay?

734
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: Very interesting?

735
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: Now that leads me to something.

736
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: Yes.

737
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:15,159
Speaker 3: On our Patreon we cover one hit wonders and musical

738
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:19,679
novelties like Mariah Carey, like Kokomo by the Beach Boys.

739
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 2: Right that you did with deaf Dave?

740
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,159
Speaker 3: Okay, So let me just roll to the top ten

741
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,480
in nineteen eighty two. I want to hit these real quick. Okay,

742
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:27,280
number nine, did it in a minute?

743
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,519
Speaker 2: What happened at number ten?

744
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: We're starting at number nine, so the top nine, Top nine? Okay,

745
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:38,360
number eight, don't you want me? Human League? Oh? Great one.

746
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,719
Go to our patreon. Go to our patreon.

747
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, guys, that's a patreon dot com

748
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,800
slash shirly podcast where little is five bucks a month.

749
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,599
You get access to all of our one hit, wonder

750
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,400
and novelty episodes. And if you've been bugged by the

751
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,480
ads in this episode so far, you get a sneak preview.

752
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,000
You don't get a sneak preview, you get a sneak

753
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:03,360
whole episode, the entire episode ad free before we drop

754
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,719
it to the rest of the world with ads. Sorry, guys,

755
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,559
we do have to make money somehow just to justify

756
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:12,159
this to our families. But if you if you want

757
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:13,719
to throw in five bucks, you don't have to listen

758
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,519
to any ads at all.

759
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,199
Speaker 3: There you get all the other stuff. By the way,

760
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,559
I'm going to give a shout out to our good

761
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:22,039
friend Chris Holland. Yes, that was his idea, great idea.

762
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,480
He's like, dude, you're commercials. I'm like, maybe I could

763
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:26,679
just drop it on Patreon commercial freeze, Like that is

764
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,119
a great idea, So Chris, thank you. Yep. By the way,

765
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,639
we've had two people join at the Billy Ray Valentine level.

766
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,360
Excellent Alex Croblin, who is the executive producer for this

767
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,360
particular episode. Alex, thank you so much.

768
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,079
Speaker 2: We appreciate him.

769
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,559
Speaker 3: And then also my former college roommate Cameron Deckert.

770
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:46,119
Speaker 2: You just saw him, I did.

771
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:49,599
Speaker 3: I just got back from Canada visited him, surprising him

772
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,519
for his birthday. Nice, and so he joined as a

773
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:53,599
Billy Ray Valentine.

774
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, Cameron campushit you bro.

775
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: Thanks.

776
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: I know that you always think that I'm right and

777
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,719
Jason's wrong, and I appreciate that too.

778
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't appreciate that so much. So back to

779
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,079
my candown number eight, Don't You Want Me? By the

780
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,800
Human League, Number seven, Chariots of Fire. This is where

781
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,880
we are in eighty two, right Van Gelis Van Gelis

782
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:17,519
Number six sixty five Love Affair by Paul Davis. I

783
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,840
got nothing crickets on that one for me too, Okay.

784
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,079
Number five The Other Woman by Ray Parker Jr. Huh

785
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,519
Number six eight six seven, five, three oh nine.

786
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,679
Speaker 2: I know somebody with that number. He name's Jenny. Her

787
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,960
name is Jenny Jenny.

788
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,079
Speaker 3: We did a Patrion episode with Chris Webber on that one.

789
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:34,559
We did. You want to hear the rest of the

790
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:36,679
story on that check us out on Patreon. Number three

791
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,800
I've Never Been to Me by Charlene Nothing, I Got Nothing.

792
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,159
Number two Don't Talk to Strangers by Rick Springfield, Oh sure.

793
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,880
And number one Ebony and Ivory. Maybe the worst song

794
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,960
of the nineteen eighties. It is terrible.

795
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: You are black, can I am white? You are blind

796
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,440
as a bat, and I have sight.

797
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: I believe Paul vakarn is associated. All right, hit stop

798
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,719
on your tape deck, kick it out, flip it over

799
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,639
for side two, start off side too with the song

800
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:31,559
head above Water. We think let's start off side two

801
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:33,400
with a banger while we're at it. I didn't have

802
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,079
any problem with this song at all. I love the

803
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:38,239
chorus on this. This is great. Yeah, this is good standard.

804
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just they're they're kind of formulaic

805
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,679
and what they are doing, but this is the formula

806
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,880
hits on this one they getting They get a catchy hook.

807
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,800
They repeated a bunch but it and Darryl's got his

808
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,760
amazing voice. I think that this is a disquality song.

809
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: I told you before that they have a style. Yeah,

810
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:55,639
and if you like that style, you love the song,

811
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:57,880
you love this album. Yeah right, yeah, I want to

812
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,079
point out you mentioned before they added a little more

813
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:04,360
guitar on side too. That guitar is played by G. E.

814
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,840
Smith and the Saturday Night Live Band.

815
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,039
Speaker 2: That's right, follows that name, right, yes, yeah, the guys,

816
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:12,800
several of the guys from their band became the Saturday

817
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,039
Night Live Band after they kind of split up in

818
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:15,960
nineteen eighty eight.

819
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like every commercial you saw the guy with the

820
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,079
ponytail playing guitar, that's him.

821
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they had G Smith playing their lead guitar.

822
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,320
They had T Bone Woke Tom Woke, who was also

823
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,920
the bassis for the Saturday Night Lab Band as their

824
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,079
bassis genius. He passed away back in twenty ten. But

825
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:36,239
great music on this one. I mean it's just a

826
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,519
very catchy, poppy song.

827
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: This song, this is where I thought they should call

828
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,159
it head above h two.

829
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:44,159
Speaker 2: Oh ah yeah that makes sense.

830
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,119
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I see we're going with that.

831
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, all right, so now I kind of like

832
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:50,719
I teased it all up and said that they were

833
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,559
this big explosion, which I mean in seventy six, they

834
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:57,800
did explode. They had the reissue She's Gone, They had

835
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,880
Sarah Smile, and they rich Girl, right, And at some

836
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,679
point Tommy Patola hands of a check for a million dollars.

837
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:05,519
So that's not bad.

838
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,639
Speaker 3: That's not bad. But I'd take a check for a

839
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:08,079
million dollars.

840
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:12,079
Speaker 2: Can you tell me one single that they had between

841
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:15,000
nineteen seventy six and nineteen.

842
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: Eighty Are you ready for this? Yeah? Brace yourself. There

843
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,760
was an album every year. In nineteen seventy seven, there

844
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,840
was an album called Beauty on a Backstreet. Okay, I

845
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,400
didn't recognize any song from that.

846
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,039
Speaker 2: I don't think there was a single on that one. Yeah.

847
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:31,159
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy eight they come out with the album Along

848
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,239
the Red Ledge. I didn't know any songs from that album, right,

849
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,679
Tommy Ptola, Those people are starting to get nervous, right

850
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,320
a little bit.

851
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: It's a good thing they made a million dollars because

852
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:40,679
so far, if I had to coast a couple of.

853
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,159
Speaker 3: Years, right, Yeah, nineteen seventy nine they have an album

854
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:47,639
called Ecstatic, Uh huh. Nothing on that album nothing.

855
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,639
Speaker 2: Okay, So they're not I mean for Hall and Oates fans.

856
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,000
They may love the songs, of course, but there's not

857
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,079
anything that's bringing in a bunch of income for him. So,

858
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,079
so far as I can tell, that's right. Yeah, I

859
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:01,880
hope your concerts are selling out, right.

860
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: And so in nineteen eighty they released an album called Voices.

861
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that was the album that I can remember seeing

862
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,039
the LP and my mom's collection of records. Okay, there's

863
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:17,079
a couple of amazing things that happened with that album, right,

864
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,119
all right, Now, we talked about Sarah smile. We talked

865
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,599
about Sarah Allen being involved in the writing process, and

866
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:29,800
we also mentioned Jay Allen. That's her sister, Jana Jana. Okay,

867
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:33,440
So as they were going through this five years, Darryl

868
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:38,639
and Sarah had been together, right, and so she said

869
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:42,519
that as she watched them plug away at the songs,

870
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:44,840
song after song after song for these five years, that

871
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,760
they're having not much success, it was like watching your

872
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,960
kid practice violin, where it's just like eventually, just like

873
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,320
just move your finger a little bit and she spits

874
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,039
out some some She's like, why don't you say this?

875
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,880
And they're like, oh, yeah, that is that's a good line.

876
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:04,639
And from that moment they're like, hey, come help us, right,

877
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,679
And so Sarah Allen starts Sarah Sarah smile, Sarah Alan

878
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,119
starts helping them write their songs. Now, Sarah has a sister.

879
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:17,239
Her name's Janna, and Jane can play music a little

880
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,159
bit and but has never been a songwriter before. But

881
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,920
she comes out and is hanging out with the guys

882
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,360
as well. And Darryl has this song that he's like,

883
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,800
I got this, this and this I just not you know,

884
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:53,079
And she's like, how about kisses on my List? How

885
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:54,679
about that?

886
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: That is divine intervention right there.

887
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,039
Speaker 2: So Janna Allen, Sarah's sisters gives them Kisses on My

888
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,440
List and that is one of the songs on Voices.

889
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,920
And then the other song that's on Voices is their

890
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,679
remake of the Righteous Brothers song.

891
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,519
Speaker 3: You've Lost that Love and Feeling.

892
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,599
Speaker 2: Let's listen to that.

893
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: Okay, did you know the song from hallan Oates or

894
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,199
did you know it from Top Gun?

895
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,599
Speaker 2: I knew it from hallan Oates because yes, we had

896
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:39,039
this album.

897
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:39,599
Speaker 3: I knew that.

898
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a Righteous brother song until

899
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,199
Top Gun and then I was like, oh wait, I

900
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,880
thought this was Hall and Oates.

901
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

902
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know about the Righteous Brothers until Top Gun.

903
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 4: Yes.

904
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: So that hallan Oates remake of You Lost That eleven

905
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,000
Feeling goes to number twelve. The third single off of

906
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:57,559
Voices is Kisses on My List that goes all the

907
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:02,679
way to number one number one one yeah, and then

908
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,079
they follow that one up with the song called You

909
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:07,119
Make My Dreams.

910
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: Come True.

911
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: Number five fantastic, So Voices gets them back on track. Yeap.

912
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:29,639
Speaker 2: So, as we noted Jana Allen, she helped them write

913
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:31,599
did It In a Minute, which was a single right

914
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,639
that charted yes, and she helped them write Private Eyes.

915
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:39,440
She also helped Joan Jet several other artists. She became

916
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:43,039
a go to songwriter in her own right and probably

917
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:49,599
would have had years more success, but tragically, in I

918
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:53,360
believe it was ninety one, called her sister and said,

919
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,199
you're gonna this is gonna make you upset that I'm

920
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:58,840
going to tell you this, but I have leukemia and

921
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,639
didn't make get much longer past that. Daryl Hall said,

922
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,000
you know this, I lost one of the people I

923
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:06,119
love most in the whole world.

924
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 3: You know it's basically he's.

925
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:11,079
Speaker 2: He said, Sarah said, And they had been together many

926
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,760
years at this point, but that moment when she passed

927
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,360
and they both lost somebody that they love, it was

928
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,159
kind of like losing a child. And when you lose

929
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:23,119
a child, you either grow closer together or you drift apart.

930
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:26,000
And she said, they drifted apart too, And I mean

931
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:28,320
think I think they made it last another ten years

932
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,719
or something like that, but it was a hard point

933
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,880
in their relationship and then ultimately early two thousands, they

934
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,639
split up for good.

935
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: It's too bad, Yeah, it's too bad, all right. Next

936
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,119
song on the album, Yes, this song is called tell

937
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:45,480
Me what You Want A time.

938
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: Will tell me?

939
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 5: What do you want to know?

940
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:49,599
Speaker 3: You know?

941
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 8: Do tell me what you know?

942
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,199
Speaker 5: You tell me what do you want to know?

943
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 7: You know?

944
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 5: To tell me? Tell me?

945
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,079
Speaker 3: All right, d we're both stunned by this song.

946
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So obviously this was not a song that

947
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,880
they released as a single, and you know, you pointed

948
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,360
out that at the beginning of it has a similarity

949
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,079
to this song by Billy Joel My Life I think

950
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:27,000
so biz Buddies, right, Bus and Buddies. That's the intro

951
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,760
to the song. Right, But and I hear that and

952
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,440
I'm immediately like, h that's rush.

953
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: It's like, is that actually rush? Yeah?

954
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: Like that's that. It's so spot on. It's just a

955
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,360
little faster. And if you don't what I'm talking about,

956
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,400
go back to our top five songs of nineteen eighty

957
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,760
because this is off of Russia's Permanent Waves. The song

958
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:58,800
is called the Spirit of Radio. It's the same song,

959
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,239
it's the same thread all, it is the same riff. Yeah, crazy,

960
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:11,760
I can see how he was very forgiving of Michael jacksonline. Yeah,

961
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:12,760
that's what we do, man.

962
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 3: You steal stuff. I steal stuff. We all steal.

963
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: That's it's like Picasso, man. Good artists create, great artists steal.

964
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: That's right.

965
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.

966
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of this one. It's just

967
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,920
shocking how similar it is.

968
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,559
Speaker 2: It is very similar to the Yeah, very similar to

969
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,480
those other songs, but just not as good. It doesn't

970
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:34,280
capture what they I don't know. I just it was

971
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,239
a swing and amiss for me for sure. Okay.

972
00:53:38,199 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: Next song on the album is called Friday, Let Me Down.

973
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: If I can write some good songs, and I got

974
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,920
Daryl Hall on the bank, I want Daryl Hall to

975
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:13,679
sing my song.

976
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,119
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it. I mean he's.

977
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: Sharing the title Ball and Oates. Oates has got his

978
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,039
name on the record.

979
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: He wrote the song.

980
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: Let the guy with the pipes sing the song.

981
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:28,599
Speaker 3: I agree. He's getting songwriting credit on most of these hits,

982
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:32,519
some of them, some of them. But when you've got

983
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:34,559
Daryl Hall in the you know, you let him sing.

984
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,440
When you have Don Henley, you let him sing. Yeah, exactly,

985
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,400
That's just how it works. Yeah, Okay, I got a

986
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,800
pop quiz for you. I have not told you any

987
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:48,079
of this. Okay. I'm going to give you famous songs

988
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:52,320
from our generation that have days of the week in

989
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,519
the title. Okay, I'm going to give you the name

990
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:55,880
of the band, and I want you to come.

991
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: Up with the name of the song. Okay, Man Monday,

992
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,559
Bengals number one, Yes, man Monday, all right?

993
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:04,039
Speaker 3: How about Jimmy Buffett? Okay, so come Monday, Come Monday.

994
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,519
All right. Now we're shifting to Tuesday. Tuesday's gone by

995
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:14,079
Leonard Skinner, Yes, all right, how about Rolling Stones Ruby Tuesday? Tuesday?

996
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,800
All right? A little harder. We're onto Wednesday now, Simon

997
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,519
and Garfunkle. Oh I don't know.

998
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,119
Speaker 2: Okay.

999
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 3: They have a song called Wednesday morning three am. Yes,

1000
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:28,639
I know it, all right? Well, yes, all right, another

1001
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:33,960
tricky one David Bowie for Thursday, all right, Thursday's Child

1002
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,159
that was hard? Yeah, no, I know that one too. Shoot,

1003
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:45,599
all right, Friday the cure Manageanic is screaming at the radio,

1004
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,960
screaming at the radio. Yes, it always Friday. What is it?

1005
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,119
I don't It's called Friday. I'm in love of course.

1006
00:55:57,079 --> 00:55:59,039
Saturday Elton John.

1007
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: Uh, Saturday night, all right for fight?

1008
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,039
Speaker 3: Saturday night's all right for fighting? Last one Saturday in

1009
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,239
the Park, Chicago. I did. I didn't have that one.

1010
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,320
Sunday you two bloody Sunday. Sunday bloody Sunday. Yeah you

1011
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:14,800
did good?

1012
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,119
Speaker 2: Well I did? Okay, I should have known this other one?

1013
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: Do I need to pull that out of Okay? Oh

1014
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:20,719
it's great.

1015
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: It's a good idea.

1016
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

1017
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,119
Speaker 2: On to the next song on the album, A t

1018
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,679
U R A night Sorry.

1019
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,079
Speaker 3: All right. Next song on the album is Monday month.

1020
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,679
I'm want to be doing this for like the next

1021
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:42,360
three there's a I mean Duran. Duran had a song

1022
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,039
that had what was a new moon on Monday. Okay,

1023
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:49,159
so all right, Unguarded Minute is the next song on

1024
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:50,039
this Okay, Yeah.

1025
00:56:49,880 --> 00:57:13,199
Speaker 11: This is a good one. I dig this song.

1026
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: It's good like this was. This is one of those

1027
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,559
undiscovered gems for me. When I got to the song,

1028
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:19,679
this one and another one on side one that's I

1029
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:23,000
can't remember at the moment, both struck me as very

1030
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:26,719
similar to Billy Joel's style, which makes sense because they

1031
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,320
both the R and B was a big influence no rock. Yeah, yeah,

1032
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,519
and so yeah, I could definitely see I could see

1033
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:35,960
Billy Joel singing this song. But it's as good.

1034
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,679
Speaker 3: It's good. Yeah, I agree. Looking ahead past the album

1035
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:41,280
of Private Eyes, you have H two.

1036
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 8: Oh.

1037
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:44,199
Speaker 3: We talked earlier about how I mean, you've got some

1038
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:58,239
absolute killers on that album. Sure, you've got Family Man,

1039
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,239
you've got Man Eater, and you've got one on one

1040
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,840
all top ten hits yep. Then in between you've got

1041
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,960
the greatest album that has a song called say it

1042
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,039
isn't so great song, great song. And then in nineteen

1043
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:16,920
eighty four you have Big Bamboom. Maybe Deff Dave will

1044
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:17,440
cover this.

1045
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: On his Yeah, nineteen eighty four it's a great album.

1046
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Out of Touch is one of the great songs

1047
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,400
of the eighties. I absolutely love that one.

1048
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:37,239
Speaker 5: Touch.

1049
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,599
Speaker 3: Okay, next song on the album, this song is called

1050
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:57,880
your Imagination. So this one's a little different. It's different.

1051
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: It's almost got a talking heads to it, kind of weird, vibrating, yeah,

1052
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:05,400
sound to the music.

1053
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 11: Now.

1054
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: Talked a few times about how big and influenced the

1055
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:12,320
Temptations were on these guys. And when I heard this

1056
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,360
and I'm listening to the lyrics and kind of getting

1057
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,800
the idea, I feel like it's like the flip side

1058
00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:21,679
of a song called it was just my Imagination.

1059
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:23,239
Speaker 3: I can see that.

1060
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: And that song is of course by the Temptations. Of course,

1061
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,840
so yeah, this isn't really as big a fans as

1062
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,679
they are. I have to think that that was probably

1063
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:33,079
the inspiration for the Anatomy.

1064
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: Right.

1065
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:36,519
Speaker 2: You talked about they had several albums after this, they

1066
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:39,960
were ruling the airwaves for the next five years. Right,

1067
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:44,039
And then you we talked a little bit about them

1068
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:47,280
playing with the Temptations, right, right, And you said that

1069
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,800
they played with the Temptations when they did Live Aid.

1070
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 3: Was that Live Aid in nineteen eighty five?

1071
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:53,079
Speaker 2: What were the songs that they did on that one?

1072
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: Okay, the songs they did on Live Aid. They opened

1073
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:57,800
up with out of Touch YEP, then they did Man Eater,

1074
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,800
Then they did the medley with David Ruff and Eddie

1075
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,119
Kendrick get Ready, Ain't too Proud to beg the way

1076
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:05,639
you do, the thing you do and my.

1077
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: Girl Okay, my good. So they get to sing with

1078
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:13,519
their idols. Yes at Live Age, Yes now, as we said,

1079
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,239
ruling the airwaves from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty five.

1080
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:20,119
In nineteen eighty five, they don't want to get to

1081
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,960
play with Rufkin and Kendrick again. They play at the

1082
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,840
Apollo Theater, right, and they release an album Live at

1083
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,440
the Apollo Theater. It is the last album that they

1084
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,719
release for another three years. They don't really have a

1085
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,519
conversation about it. They just kind of both come to

1086
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,480
the conclusion we're on top and we want to stop

1087
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:43,000
on top. We don't want to we don't want to

1088
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:47,920
fall down, And probably a wise choice because music really

1089
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,159
began to change in nineteen eighty five. As far as

1090
01:00:50,159 --> 01:00:53,199
the eighties music is concerned, pre eighty five and post

1091
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:56,360
eighty five are very very different, right, But they didn't

1092
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,000
write it out. They got back together three years later.

1093
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:02,519
They did an album called Yeah. I mean it was

1094
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,599
still Hall and Oates. They still sold a bunch of albums,

1095
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,000
but it was about half of what they sold before.

1096
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:11,719
Speaker 3: So I told you so. In nineteen eighty six, the

1097
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,159
summer of eighty six, Yeah, same summer as Top Gun

1098
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,039
and Karate Kid two and all these others. Yeah, Darryl

1099
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:20,079
Hall released a single Dreamtime, dream Time. Yeah. It was

1100
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:23,360
a good song. It was on IMTV. But it wasn't

1101
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:26,000
that Hall of Oates grand slam.

1102
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1103
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Well in nineteen eighty eight, I think I told

1104
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,760
you this. They had one song that played every third

1105
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,960
song that summer of eighty eight, and it was called

1106
01:01:34,960 --> 01:02:04,239
Everything Your Heart Desires. Great song, chart topper, but for me,

1107
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:06,920
I mean that summer he had poured some sugar on

1108
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:07,719
me and sweet.

1109
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,239
Speaker 2: Ch out of mine, and you know it was taken

1110
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,519
over right right, glam metal, but still it was taking

1111
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,599
over right. That's right, by the way, just this side

1112
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,039
thought on that of all of the mullets in all

1113
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:23,280
of history, Darryl Hall may have had the best mullet

1114
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,719
of anybody I've ever seen, because not only did he

1115
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,840
have party in the back and business up front, but

1116
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,119
the business up front was Elvis like, he had the

1117
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:40,039
Elvis Pumpador swoop sidehurn shops that were so chiseled. Yeah,

1118
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:43,800
and he was freaking blonde like. I mean, I can

1119
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,960
remember in nineteen eighty four going, I want my hair

1120
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,199
to look like that guy.

1121
01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:51,719
Speaker 3: It's cool.

1122
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,639
Speaker 2: That is the coolest haircut I've ever seen in my life.

1123
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: I've got one more thing I want to add. Yeah,

1124
01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:00,000
people may not know this, Okay. In nineteen eighty five,

1125
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:02,599
there was a big hit song by a guy named

1126
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:05,159
Paul Young and that song is called every Time You

1127
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:05,719
Go Away.

1128
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:07,559
Speaker 2: I remember that, yeah right.

1129
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,079
Speaker 3: That song also features Real prominently at the end of Plane,

1130
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:13,280
Strains and Amobiles, which we have yet to cover Crazy,

1131
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,719
which we will. Yep. That song was written by Holland

1132
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:17,280
John Notes.

1133
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 12: There you go.

1134
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic.

1135
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 3: Okay. Last song on the album Let's do It this one.

1136
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: It's called Some Men.

1137
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:40,119
Speaker 5: Way Around the World, undream Man.

1138
01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 3: Orpiana Rock.

1139
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,079
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's a formula and it works well.

1140
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,519
And you know on that note, they literally have a

1141
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,920
slew of hits like I can't imagine trying to cover

1142
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,159
the greatest hits album. Oh yeah, great, Yeah, I mean

1143
01:03:56,199 --> 01:04:02,480
it's air supply quality but the formula works and Randon Flowers,

1144
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:05,880
lead singer for The Killers. The Killers miss bright Side.

1145
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:10,440
Somebody told me, he said, she's gone. Their kind of

1146
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:14,199
first big hit is like everything you need to know

1147
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:15,920
about writing a song is in that song.

1148
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 3: Oh. Interesting.

1149
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: So it's interesting because I think a lot of people

1150
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,760
look at them as great songwriters, which I think they were,

1151
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:28,320
and they've got this sound, and I mean there's uniqueness

1152
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,519
in this one. I would say there's more variety in

1153
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,480
the music that we have on this album than say

1154
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,719
Back in Black. But again, it's like, if you like

1155
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,239
this kind of music, you're going to like this album.

1156
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, these guys came along at a time

1157
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:44,800
we talked about how fortunate they were. This album dropped

1158
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:49,119
basically with enough runway to get on MTV. They had

1159
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:52,920
some great pop hooks that produce hits. They just ramped

1160
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,360
right into MTV and we're all over the radio and

1161
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,920
all over our TV. It was. It was perfect timing

1162
01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:59,960
for this album, It really was.

1163
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:04,199
Speaker 2: They rode that wave eighty five, They take their hiatus

1164
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:07,519
three years to come back. It's not so great. It changed,

1165
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,960
and they do another few albums and this the magic

1166
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:16,719
is not there. Anymore, like they've lost a dear songwriting friend.

1167
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:20,519
They've moved on with their lives. They're doing their own

1168
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:24,280
personal projects. And then, gosh, what was it seven eight

1169
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,840
years ago? Yeah, you make a whole lot of money,

1170
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,840
and you got a choice. You can save that money

1171
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,480
or you can spend it on things. And I heard

1172
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:35,039
John's talking and he was like, well, you know, and

1173
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:37,840
the money was drying up, and I had to sell

1174
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,239
my six cars, and I had to sell my boat,

1175
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,480
and I had to sell my plane. And I'm like,

1176
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:46,440
maybe you shouldn't have bought all that stuff now, man,

1177
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:49,440
And so ultimately then he gets to the point that

1178
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,159
he's like, maybe I'll just sell my interest in all

1179
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:54,360
of these songs.

1180
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where things get really really sad.

1181
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean they were they were a good match.

1182
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,599
They did make great music together, but.

1183
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:08,119
Speaker 3: They were the most successful music making duo of all time.

1184
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,519
Speaker 2: Of all time. And he decides I'm going to sell

1185
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,079
all of my interest in those songs to this company

1186
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:17,599
that had owned some of the interests in the other

1187
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,679
of their songs before, and he doesn't ask Darryl about it.

1188
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,960
Yeah that's a problem. Yeah, I mean, this is a partnership.

1189
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 3: It is.

1190
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:30,119
Speaker 2: It is something that you owe a duty to your

1191
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:34,239
partner to go. This is what I'm even if you're

1192
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,239
in this circumstance where like, hey, bad things have happened.

1193
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,400
Whatever my fault, your fault, nobody's fault. That I need money.

1194
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:43,280
I've got to sell this stuff. You don't just go

1195
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,639
do it without talking to your partner.

1196
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:46,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, Absolutely not.

1197
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 2: And so I think justifiably so. So Daryl Hall was like, nope,

1198
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:54,719
no good, come here, you can't do that, right, but

1199
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,079
by all the lawsuit make him stop. And yeah, So

1200
01:06:57,159 --> 01:07:00,679
that went on for several years, just until last year. Actually,

1201
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,280
I think it was August of twenty five. They finally

1202
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,880
got it resolved. Didn't say what the resolution was. I

1203
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,960
don't know what the resolution is. I know that Daryl

1204
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:13,400
Hall like looking at his when he was very successful,

1205
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:16,480
it was upsetting to him because he didn't like the

1206
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:18,559
celebrity status of things. He was like, I can't go

1207
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:21,119
out and buy Christmas presents from my family because we

1208
01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:24,519
recognized and so he didn't like being a celebrity. He

1209
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:26,960
didn't like people knowing his face everywhere he went because

1210
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,320
he's a private person and so I can understand him going,

1211
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,400
I'm a private guy. I'm watching you.

1212
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: I see your every movie. That's right.

1213
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,079
Speaker 2: You can't sell our music.

1214
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 3: Sir, that's right. I heard Della Hall describe it as

1215
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,880
the ultimate betrayal, the ultimate betrayal. Pretty bad, it really is.

1216
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,960
And I saw an interview with John Oates and he said, no,

1217
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:53,199
we are not friends any longer. Right, we will probably

1218
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:56,519
never play together again. We have no interest in seeing

1219
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:01,079
each other and burn it all down. It is tragic.

1220
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,920
But they did give us a slew of hits in

1221
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:06,519
the eighties.

1222
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: At some point, I really would like to do the

1223
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,000
greatest hits with them. I would love to do that.

1224
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,199
Speaker 3: I'd love to do it. Yeah, we are finally at

1225
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,920
our three part final judgment.

1226
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So okay, guys, So if you if you've missed

1227
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,800
the prior to episodes, we've covered the Jay Giles band,

1228
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:25,399
freeze frame, we've covered minute work, business as usual, and

1229
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,479
then of course we've just covered Private Eyes by hauling Oats. Now,

1230
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,199
the question is how are we going to rank those three?

1231
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,880
Do you want to go first? You would you let

1232
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:34,239
me go first?

1233
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 3: Why don't we let James Buckley give us his opinion?

1234
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 12: Okay, here's James, I've I've heard all three of these

1235
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:41,600
coming up in the ear. I could not help but

1236
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,600
hear him every time you turn on the radio. I

1237
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,119
was never really a haul on those fan. Their music

1238
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:49,000
never really struck me, so right away Private Eye falls

1239
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:49,960
to the bottom of the pack.

1240
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:50,319
Speaker 7: Yew.

1241
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 12: Jay Giles band was fun. I remember my high school

1242
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,520
band used to play Centerfold. Looking back, I'm not sure

1243
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,239
that was our band director's wisest choice, but that's really

1244
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:01,600
my only memory from that album is playing that song

1245
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,600
with the band, So that's probably gonna be the number

1246
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,880
two slot, number one minute work for the reasons we discussed.

1247
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,680
That album still stands up to me decade even decades later, geez,

1248
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,800
and I think the songs are still strong. Songwriting's there,

1249
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,439
the playing. I think he gets the training Champion.

1250
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 3: Not surprise, James, Yeah, was on a minute work with us.

1251
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, a great job. Makes sense that he

1252
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,720
would rank them like that. Yeah, yeah, okay, so me

1253
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:27,159
or you.

1254
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 3: I'll go okay, So I really have no idea where

1255
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,000
you are on this. You really can't lose you got

1256
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,920
you got some major hits on all three of these albums, yep,

1257
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:42,279
and they are eighties party bangers, pop gold, I love them.

1258
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,800
Doesn't really matter. If you put them three behind your

1259
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,680
back and I grabbed one, I'd be happy with whatever

1260
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,760
I pulled out. But if you're asking me which one

1261
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,840
I'm grabbing last, the last one I grab is Private Eye.

1262
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,640
I love some of the songs on Private Eyes, a

1263
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,359
little long, maybe some filler in there. Daryl Hall's voice

1264
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:02,000
is great. I'd rather have the greatest HiT's Hall of Notes.

1265
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,560
The second one I grab or second to last one

1266
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,920
I grab is man It Work, And the first one

1267
01:10:09,039 --> 01:10:11,439
I grab if I'm walking out the door. My number

1268
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,920
one selection, my overall draft pick is the Jake os

1269
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:15,800
Man Sure.

1270
01:10:16,119 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: I mean you've been a Jakeiles guy since we've first started,

1271
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,479
Like you kept mentioning them, and I'm like, right, right,

1272
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,000
so I kind of I you know, I have it

1273
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,279
in my head the way things are going to go,

1274
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:30,960
this is going to be a count for me, is

1275
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,760
going to be a competition between Hall of Oates and

1276
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,720
Men at Work, Right, And I started thinking, I'm like, man,

1277
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,760
I know a lot of Hall and Oates albums. I'm

1278
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:42,039
almost certainly going to be picking them, and then it'll

1279
01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:44,399
probably be Gonta Work. And then it'll probably be Jay

1280
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,840
Giles Band, because I don't really never sure had them

1281
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:52,359
as something, right, but things happened when we revisit these albums,

1282
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,399
right Sure. I mentioned that Mint at Work was one

1283
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:57,279
of those first three tapes that I had, and I've

1284
01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:00,600
mentioned that Private Eye was in the LP election and

1285
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,840
one that I wore out. But after listening to the

1286
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:09,159
Jay Giles Band, I was genuinely impressed and actually went

1287
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:13,079
and started listening to other music outside of Freeze Frame.

1288
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,560
I really kind of dug the bluesy stuff that they

1289
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,279
were doing before the pop influences happened, which I enjoyed

1290
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:23,279
the pop influence as well right of Freeze Frame, but

1291
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:26,159
I really dug like the harmonica and the kind of

1292
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:27,479
blues dick.

1293
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, magic dick is magic stick, that's right.

1294
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 2: So interestingly the way that it's kind of played out,

1295
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:38,319
like you, I listened to Private Eyes and I'm like,

1296
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,039
I love this song. I remember liking this song, okay,

1297
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:44,800
and anticipating the next song, and I love this song,

1298
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,239
and then it was just kind of like, Okay, yeah,

1299
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,880
it's kind of the same sound, sure, but it didn't

1300
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,479
make me want to go dig up a bunch more

1301
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:59,279
stuff like I know all their hits and the stuff

1302
01:11:59,319 --> 01:11:59,960
that's not their hit.

1303
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 3: It's just been kind of okay, Right, it's been just okay.

1304
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 2: And so the way that it's turned out for me

1305
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:09,560
is that the last one that I'm picking up, like

1306
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,239
you is Private Eyes. Okay, Jay Giles Band is in

1307
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:17,760
the number two spot very clearly and is very close

1308
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,680
to the number one spot with Men at Work because

1309
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:24,079
because I freaking I grew up with that one. That's

1310
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:27,479
that's iconic for me, and so yeah, that's the way

1311
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,000
it goes for me. Number three is Private Eyes. Number

1312
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:33,840
two is Freeze Frame, followed very closely by number one

1313
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,479
of business is usually excellent.

1314
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 3: Okay, very good.

1315
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to go check out more of the

1316
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:38,640
Jay guys.

1317
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:41,279
Speaker 3: I'm so happy that we moved the needle for you,

1318
01:12:41,359 --> 01:12:43,760
absolutely did, And we want to know where are you

1319
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,399
guys with this? What's your favorite? How do you rank these?

1320
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,640
Did we move the needle for you on any of these? Yeah?

1321
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,199
You know what, I think moved the needle too on you.

1322
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,720
Peter Wolf had those incredible stories. Oh dude, that those

1323
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,079
were great stories. If you haven't listened to our Jay

1324
01:12:57,079 --> 01:12:59,000
Gills Band episode, there's a lot of cool stuff.

1325
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:02,039
Speaker 2: Truthfully, I mean, just very truthfully. I listened to the

1326
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:06,800
album before I listened to his autobiography, and the album

1327
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,880
did it for me. It was their music, not just

1328
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,920
his fantastic stories.

1329
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 3: Awesome. Okay, well that does it for our three way

1330
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,159
of nineteen eighty one. Come back next week we have

1331
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,159
a matchup. It's kind of a mismatch, but still we're

1332
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,720
gonna do it anyway. Okay, but it's one of the

1333
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,640
great movies of the eighties versus a very good movie.

1334
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,359
Uh huh. Right, So we are doing Adventures in babysitting,

1335
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,720
which is young kids out on the town one twenty

1336
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,439
four hour period, trying to get back home, trying to

1337
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:44,119
get back before they're busted by parents. Yep, versus barriers, spuelers,

1338
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,840
stay off, come back. That will be a lot of fun.

1339
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 2: It's going to be a lot of fun. Guys, look

1340
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,600
forward to seeing you then. Thank you so much for listening.

1341
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,199
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1342
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01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,359
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1345
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:07,680
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1346
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:12,479
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1347
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,319
Speaker 3: Yeah,