Speaker 1: Welcome friends, jacky hyeah about.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three forty three. I'm
Speaker 2: Zaki Hassan. I'm here with Brian Hall.
Speaker 1: Heay, how's it going, Zachi?
Speaker 2: Hey, it's going. Uh. You know, obviously we struggle to
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Speaker 2: It was packed full of tomfoolery.
Speaker 1: It really was.
Speaker 2: In fact, there was so much buffoonery Tommy Lee Jones
Speaker 2: would not sanction it.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, it was a lot of that. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: is his way.
Speaker 2: As is his way. This is good stuff. Speaking of
Speaker 2: good stuff, what have you seen lately?
Speaker 1: You know, I saw a couple of things.
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about them, but I had
Speaker 3: an observation recently that I thought i'd share that I
Speaker 3: thought you might appreciate. So I have a friend from
Speaker 3: a past job and he is acquaintances with the band
Speaker 3: the Afghan Whigs. You know, they were probably most prominent
Speaker 3: in the nineties, but you know they can continue to
Speaker 3: tour and I've seen them a couple of times because
Speaker 3: my friend is able to bring me and we get
Speaker 3: free tickets and all that sort of thing. And so
Speaker 3: I saw them this past week. And then I also
Speaker 3: mentioned that a couple of weeks ago, I saw the
Speaker 3: movie Carrie at one of those outdoor screenings.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and something occurred to me.
Speaker 3: The last time. Well, at one of those outdoor screenings
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, it was very cool. I
Speaker 3: saw Natalie Portman walking around and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, Natalie Portman.
Speaker 2: She was like a star.
Speaker 1: That's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: She's like here at this event. And then the last
Speaker 3: time I saw the Afghan Whigs, I saw Heather Graham.
Speaker 3: I was like, Heather Graham. I've had a crush on
Speaker 3: her since I was a teenager licensed to drive, Like, wow,
Speaker 3: that's amazing. So when I saw Carrie a couple of
Speaker 3: weekends ago, I saw this guy and I told my friends.
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, that's I follow that guy on Instagram.
Speaker 3: He's a comedian. He's really funny. His name's Luke Strickler
Speaker 3: and and everyone's like who. And then when I went
Speaker 3: to the Afghan Whigs this past week, I saw this
Speaker 3: guy and I nudged my friend and go, hey, that's
Speaker 3: this guy. I fall on Instagram. His name is Jacob Gibbons.
Speaker 3: He's like a nineties music officionado. He does good stuff
Speaker 3: and he's like huh, And I was like, isn't this fascinating?
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, it was like all these
Speaker 3: like celebrities that you would like bump into or see
Speaker 3: or like, oh, I'm rubbing shoulders with these these celebrities.
Speaker 3: And now I'm realizing that recently it's just been like influencers.
Speaker 3: Like there, I'm recognizing these influencers in the wild. It's
Speaker 3: just like I don't know that I've fully figured out
Speaker 3: what my thought about that is or my comedic take,
Speaker 3: but like, I just found it kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: You know, tell me you're very online. That's what it
Speaker 2: tells me.
Speaker 1: I suppose, or at least in my corners. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: These people didn't know who like when I was you
Speaker 3: know at that that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Natalie Portman.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh wow, you know, like trying to
Speaker 3: get a picture of her like from a distance and stuff.
Speaker 3: And funny enough, she was with Questlove so they were
Speaker 3: hanging out together, which is like that's wow, how about that?
Speaker 1: But this is like that real minutia, you know of
Speaker 1: your algorithm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like this real niche comedian who I do think
Speaker 3: is funny.
Speaker 1: His name is Luke Strickler.
Speaker 3: He has this his video that had like millions of
Speaker 3: views that I think blew up, was called I Love
Speaker 3: the Office, which I think our listeners might find funny.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I don't know, it's just kind of a funny.
Speaker 3: Like how about that, you know, like those are the
Speaker 3: people now that I'm seeing at these events, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's exciting to me in a way, I guess, but
Speaker 3: it's harder to share with people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Didn't see Heather Graham this past week, and.
Speaker 2: That's the shame. I honestly, I didn't realize until you
Speaker 2: said it just now that she was in License to Drive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the Mercedes the girl that Corey Haim has
Speaker 3: a crush on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the name of the character. I saw
Speaker 2: that movie in the early part of the nineties. That's
Speaker 2: probably last time I saw it.
Speaker 3: So oh man, I don't know how that became sort
Speaker 3: of like a Hall Family classic. I think because we
Speaker 3: didn't have cable, so like we would take movies off
Speaker 3: of TV when they were on, and so we would
Speaker 3: revisit those a lot, even if I don't know they
Speaker 3: weren't as big a deal to other people, Like I
Speaker 3: always bring up The Hard Way that Michael J. Fox
Speaker 3: James Woods movie, which for us was kind of like
Speaker 3: a Hall Family classic because we had taken on TV
Speaker 3: and watched it all the time. But yeah, I love
Speaker 3: License to Drive.
Speaker 2: To me, Heather Graham will always be a girl who
Speaker 2: may be accidentally sleeping with her brother in that one movie.
Speaker 1: That's a fairly brother movie, right.
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, I forget say it isn't so
Speaker 2: I think that's I'm just joking. I know her, of course,
Speaker 2: as Judy Robinson and Lost in Space.
Speaker 3: I keep thinking you're gonna say Austin Powers, but you
Speaker 3: keep going into other Yeah that too, that.
Speaker 1: Too, Boogey Knights of course, you know, oh yeah that too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, speaking of classic films of yesteryear, I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna talk about them too much. But I
Speaker 3: feel like Regal I should be an influencer for Regal
Speaker 3: Cinemas because I talk about them so much. But they're
Speaker 3: each month they've been doing their special series where they
Speaker 3: program literally every single day there's a movie that is
Speaker 3: part of a series that they throw that's themed each month,
Speaker 3: and this month is musicals. And so I saw a
Speaker 3: Footloose for the first time. I've never seen it before.
Speaker 3: The og one yeah, with Kevin Bacon and Singing in
Speaker 3: the Rain, which I had seen before.
Speaker 2: But like, I love that movie.
Speaker 3: Oh it's so good, and seeing it on the big screen,
Speaker 3: and you know when you got the three of them
Speaker 3: dancing side by side in sync and just seeing it
Speaker 3: larger than life and it's you just marvel at it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's really special. So if people can
Speaker 3: make it out to those, I highly recommend checking out
Speaker 3: their schedule and seeing Yeah, I mean the movies are
Speaker 3: all over the place too, I mean Singing in the
Speaker 3: Rain and then one night it was like the Hairspray
Speaker 3: remake and then I think almost Famous last Night, Blues
Speaker 3: Brothers next week, So it's definitely worth checking out.
Speaker 1: But uh, okay, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna talk about three things, one of two of them
Speaker 3: kind of quick. I caught a movie called deep Water.
Speaker 2: Okay, have you heard of this? Is this like fall? No?
Speaker 2: It's not? Okay, what do you mean? Like? What we
Speaker 2: gonna the movie isn't it The Fall? The Fall? You know?
Speaker 1: Uh, well, no, it's it's it's different.
Speaker 2: Basically, it's a shark movie, okay, just is it like
Speaker 2: with sharks but like The Fall? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I get well, you know, okay, I think I see
Speaker 3: what you're saying, like sort of in that genre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And this is it's true.
Speaker 2: Who shouldn't be somewhere?
Speaker 3: Yes, but this is basically okay, it's directed by Rennie Harlan,
Speaker 3: and it's got Aaron Eckert and Ben Kingsley, And basically
Speaker 3: there's a commercial airliner that has issues over the ocean,
Speaker 3: crash lands and the people who survived have to figure
Speaker 3: out how to get rescued.
Speaker 1: But there's sharks swimming in the water, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I was vaguely aware of this, and my friend
Speaker 3: was like, Hey, do you want to go see this?
Speaker 3: And I was like, eh, sure, you know, like you know,
Speaker 3: why not? And so I had little to no expectations
Speaker 3: and I was totally surprised by the end where I
Speaker 3: was like, Hey, that was fun. And I say that
Speaker 3: because this is like not a great movie, like this
Speaker 3: is a this is a B movie, Okay, Okay, Honestly,
Speaker 3: I had this thought and I said it to my
Speaker 3: friend and he was like, yes, exactly. It felt like
Speaker 3: a script that was originally in another language, and like
Speaker 3: someone someone who lied about being fluent in languages translated
Speaker 3: it like that's kind of what it feels like. And
Speaker 3: it even sort of reminded me of like those vertical dramas.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a lot of them, but you get.
Speaker 1: The idea where it's like there are these very broad
Speaker 1: tropy situations and characters who are super round the nose,
Speaker 1: like he's the er villain and she's the h like
Speaker 1: person who needs.
Speaker 3: Rescuing and he's the hero. Like that's as deep as
Speaker 3: this movie is. But at the same time, sometimes stuff
Speaker 3: that on the nose does tap into the core of
Speaker 3: what we respond to, like we do want to see
Speaker 3: the bad guy get his come up. It's we do
Speaker 3: want to see the hero act heroically, and this movie
Speaker 3: kind of taps into that, you know, so, and and
Speaker 3: there was some Rennie Harland.
Speaker 1: He's got like a.
Speaker 3: A a zest, you know, to the way that he
Speaker 3: films things, Like I know he hasn't worked on anything
Speaker 3: sort of major in several sorts of years, but when
Speaker 3: this started and they were filming, you know, setting up
Speaker 3: all the people who were going to watch, you know,
Speaker 3: all the not stereotypes, but like caricatures of types of
Speaker 3: people where it's like the nice family, the guy who's
Speaker 3: annoying everyone, you know, the jock who is it nice
Speaker 3: to the nerdy guy. You know, like when they're setting
Speaker 3: all that up. As simple as that stuff is, it's
Speaker 3: filmed really well.
Speaker 2: Like it's I was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, what an interesting idea putting the camera there.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have thought of that, but that it's very cinematic,
Speaker 3: you know. I was thinking about it like this is
Speaker 3: elevating something very simple.
Speaker 1: That could have been like a TV movie in the
Speaker 1: eighties or something.
Speaker 3: And you know, and then there's the moment where I
Speaker 3: talk about this all the time, where someone is really
Speaker 3: like annoying you or he's really bad, and I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Just throw him to the sharks, you know.
Speaker 3: But then the hero doesn't do that, and you're like,
Speaker 3: right right, nope, that's better.
Speaker 1: That's better.
Speaker 3: I wish I was like him, Like it has those
Speaker 3: kinds of moments. And of course, I mean, like a spoiler,
Speaker 3: like the jock ends up being nice to the nerd
Speaker 3: because the NERD's nice to the job, you know, like
Speaker 3: this stuff is so sick.
Speaker 2: I'm not watching it now, so thanks for ruining it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying, like it's so simple. I just
Speaker 3: want to be clear. But like streaming this on a
Speaker 3: Friday night, it was enjoyable. I was surprised that I
Speaker 3: found it enjoyable, so I thought it was at least
Speaker 3: worth mentioning.
Speaker 2: Scratch that itch for you.
Speaker 3: I think someday it is going to be on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Probably it won't won't be long, but.
Speaker 1: And you could you could do worse. It's and it
Speaker 1: is kind of fun, you know, the what would you
Speaker 1: do of it all?
Speaker 3: In a way, you know, when you're stuck in the
Speaker 3: ocean and you have limited resources. So anyway, I thought
Speaker 3: i'd uh acknowledge.
Speaker 2: It, consider it acknowledged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I now I have a movie on a
Speaker 3: TV show, So I caught The Sheep Detectives have you.
Speaker 3: Feels like it came kind of out of nowhere and
Speaker 3: everyone was like, hey, this is really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been wanting to see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically Hugh Jackman plays a shepherd.
Speaker 2: I should say I've been wanting to see this and
Speaker 2: Mortal Kombat too, very different. I was hoping to make
Speaker 2: a make one day of it and just really give
Speaker 2: myself a a migraine from from the from the the
Speaker 2: ricocheting tones, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what though, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're in the mood for either or right, Like
Speaker 3: we're kind of like at all but the sheep detectives
Speaker 3: basically okay, okay. So Hugh Jackman plays a shepherd who
Speaker 3: reads mystery novels to his sheep every night, and then
Speaker 3: one morning, the sheep find that their shepherd has been murdered,
Speaker 3: and so they're like, wait a minute, like, we've learned
Speaker 3: a lot from these mystery novels he's read to us.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can solve his murder. Which is an insane plot.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine being in a room pitching that, like
Speaker 3: to Disney or something like the sheep will solve the
Speaker 3: shepherd's murder. And this comes from I think a couple writers,
Speaker 3: but one of them is Craig Mason, which is very
Speaker 3: interesting because he did Chernobyl. Uh oh did he? I
Speaker 3: know he did one of those sort of like more
Speaker 3: comedic sorts of things. But recently he's been doing the
Speaker 3: Last of Us Chernobyl.
Speaker 2: Yep, he wrote Hangover two and three at least.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, So I mean his so isn't that fascinating?
Speaker 2: I mean his output is all over quite the filmography
Speaker 2: of course he eped Last of Us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And so I was just very curious what
Speaker 1: this would even be like. And I would say it
Speaker 1: feels similar to me.
Speaker 3: It's been a while, but to something like Babe, where
Speaker 3: where you know it's talking animals, but it has a
Speaker 3: real sincere heart to it. You know, so you get
Speaker 3: the pleasure of something that like kids will enjoy, and
Speaker 3: you know, sheep making kind of funny faces and reacting
Speaker 3: strangely to things that we know are usual, like they
Speaker 3: have to cross a road and they're like what is
Speaker 3: that because they've never seen it before.
Speaker 1: They've always been in a field. And you get that
Speaker 1: kind of fun silliness. But then there's also you know,
Speaker 1: you learn more about the shepherd and how he treated
Speaker 1: all the sheep, and there's you know, different sheep that
Speaker 1: don't get along, but he loved all of them, and
Speaker 1: they're like maybe they can learn to get along too.
Speaker 1: You know, that like really does successfully tug at the heartstrings.
Speaker 1: I think and you know, I mean it's light, it is.
Speaker 1: It feels like a movie, you know, for like a
Speaker 1: younger audience.
Speaker 3: But I went and saw at the theater and it
Speaker 3: was all adults, you know, and I think everybody kind
Speaker 3: of walked out with a while on their face. So
Speaker 3: I think this is a nice movie, and it's it's
Speaker 3: I would say for kids, it's I mean, very clean.
Speaker 1: I would say.
Speaker 3: The only thing is the sheep literally learn about death.
Speaker 3: Like that's kind of their arc is they don't really
Speaker 3: understand what death is at the beginning, and over the
Speaker 3: course of this they have to learn what it is
Speaker 3: to have someone die and how to deal with that,
Speaker 3: you know, how to grapple with that.
Speaker 1: So that is a big part of the story.
Speaker 3: So you know, I guess it's up to the parents
Speaker 3: if that's something they're ready to expose.
Speaker 2: It, So be aware if you're taking the little ones. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but just a very nice it might traumatize them the
Speaker 2: way kids were traumatized when Papouli died on Full House.
Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, Ugh, it's a very
Speaker 3: special episode. I was, Yeah, Michelle shouldn't take it easy.
Speaker 2: It was she Yeah, it was, it was. It was
Speaker 2: a generational trauma.
Speaker 1: Yes, but yeah, very much in that Babe vein.
Speaker 2: So I was gonna say, like, you half expect from
Speaker 2: the commercials to have Hugh Jackman say that'll do sheep.
Speaker 3: Kind of yeah, yeah, sort of like the James Cromwell,
Speaker 3: you know, sort of just like a very sweet, kind
Speaker 3: hearted guy that the animals look up to and it's
Speaker 3: very nice.
Speaker 2: Crazy by the way, is that like James Cromwell is
Speaker 2: like pushing eighty now probably, which means he was like
Speaker 2: in his forties when he was in Babe.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when I watched Footloose, obviously I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, what is everybody's age at this?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: John Lithgow he plays, you know, like the Preacher Father
Speaker 3: Stern figure. He was eight years younger than me in
Speaker 3: that movie.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, it sounds about right. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Lastly, I want to talk about a show that
Speaker 3: I just had no idea what it was and pretty
Speaker 3: much no intention of watching it.
Speaker 1: It is called Widow's Bay.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is on Apple TV Plus and I
Speaker 3: would see the splash page when I would turn on
Speaker 3: my Apple TV.
Speaker 2: But I was just like.
Speaker 3: Huh and it just always get past it, Like no,
Speaker 3: I don't know why. It just did not grab my eye.
Speaker 3: And then I heard a recommendation for it, and I
Speaker 3: was like uh. And then they're like about each episode
Speaker 3: is about thirty minutes. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: like I don't know what else to watch. I'm kind
Speaker 3: of tired. Let's just this will do the trick until
Speaker 3: I fall asleep. Let's just see what this is.
Speaker 1: And the premise basically is.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like Twin Peaks or this is really obscure,
Speaker 3: but maybe even more accurate.
Speaker 1: It's a like the show Erie Indiana.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, told from the point of view of essentially the
Speaker 3: mayor from Jaws.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's this mayor of this.
Speaker 3: You know, small you know town kind of Northeast, you know,
Speaker 3: like main esque kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: I don't remember specifically what it is.
Speaker 3: But he's trying to figure out a way to get
Speaker 3: tourism to return. And so the pilot episode, there's a
Speaker 3: New York Times journalist who's going to come out and visit,
Speaker 3: and he's just like, we've got to make sure that
Speaker 3: he's happy here, and he writes a good piece about
Speaker 3: our town. You know, this is important for all of us,
Speaker 3: but everybody there is very superstitious and like, oh no,
Speaker 3: but the FOG's rolling in. You know what happens when
Speaker 3: the fog rolls in turns people into zombies, you know,
Speaker 3: And he's like, please don't talk to the journalist, you know,
Speaker 3: like and this is Matthew Reis, I should say, who's
Speaker 3: really great? And so the first episode is, you know,
Speaker 3: the fog rolls in, the journalist is there, weird stuff
Speaker 3: starts happening, and the mayor's like, wait.
Speaker 2: Are they right?
Speaker 3: Like is this is you know, so he's trying to
Speaker 3: protect the journalists from it and whatever, and so it
Speaker 3: was entertaining, but I thought, do I want to watch
Speaker 3: like ten episodes of this, like so like a zombie fog.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is going to sustain, but anyway,
Speaker 3: I did enjoy it. So I started episode two and
Speaker 3: episode two is a completely different thing. So there is
Speaker 3: the thread and minor spoiler. The journalist does write a
Speaker 3: positive piece, so now tourists are going to be coming
Speaker 3: in a week, and so he's like, okay, so we've
Speaker 3: got to make sure that the hotel is in good
Speaker 3: working condition for everybody, and then the locals are like,
Speaker 3: oh no, like hotels haunted, you know, so it's now
Speaker 3: it's a haunted house story. So like, each story is
Speaker 3: a different sort of supernatural spooky idea explored.
Speaker 1: In this town.
Speaker 3: And I think that is genius because that keeps you.
Speaker 3: It feels different each episode, although it still feels tonally,
Speaker 3: you know, in this fun spooky, funny place that I'm enjoying,
Speaker 3: but then it's like, well, what's it going to be
Speaker 3: next week? You know, Like and so the Haunted House
Speaker 3: one is the one that really got me. I was like,
Speaker 3: that is a great idea. There's a lot of really
Speaker 3: funny ideas in it. It's the first one that actually
Speaker 3: scared me.
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa.
Speaker 3: There's a moment where I was like ugh. But it
Speaker 3: also has this real subtle stuff that's happening where there's
Speaker 3: a moment where the minor mind this doesn't really affect
Speaker 3: the story at all, but I just really loved it
Speaker 3: where the guy who owns the hotel, the mayor, is
Speaker 3: trying to convince the superstitious people that there's nothing weird
Speaker 3: about this hotel. I think there's a room in particular
Speaker 3: sort of like two thirty seven or whatever it is
Speaker 3: from the shining like, don't go in there. And the
Speaker 3: mayor's like, oh, there's nothing wrong with it, and so
Speaker 3: he says to the hotel owner, like, just go in
Speaker 3: there and we'll shut the door and count to ten
Speaker 3: show them everything's fine.
Speaker 1: And the guy's like, uh.
Speaker 3: So he puts the hotel owner in there, shuts the door,
Speaker 3: and he's like, counts to ten and they open the
Speaker 3: door and you can see on the hotel owner's face
Speaker 3: that he has just lived like a week and he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't want to talk about it, and he
Speaker 3: just like walks out and they don't explore that. Like
Speaker 3: it's just weird stuff and it's funny and it is
Speaker 3: spooky and like a really funny, fun sort of way,
Speaker 3: and so it's really I'm really enjoying it. And the
Speaker 3: last one that I saw I haven't seen this week's,
Speaker 3: but it's basically this girl who feels a little bit
Speaker 3: like an outcast and she wants to throw a party.
Speaker 3: I don't want to run it, but basically she goes
Speaker 3: down a rabbit hole of trying to put on this party,
Speaker 3: and then of course there's something weird happening that you
Speaker 3: can't quite figure out. And there's this brilliant moment where
Speaker 3: you know, everything seems sort of normal as she's putting
Speaker 3: this party on and the camera's just panning across the room,
Speaker 3: but there's a catches a mirror for a split second,
Speaker 3: and the reflection in the mirror doesn't really what's happening
Speaker 3: in the room, and you're like what, and then but
Speaker 3: the camera keeps moving and I was like this, this
Speaker 3: is what I love. This is the kind of spookiness
Speaker 3: and horror that I love.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, check this out. This sounds great.
Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of fun. I haven't seen
Speaker 3: this week, so I'm looking forward to watching it tonight.
Speaker 1: So I had no idea.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have watched this otherwise,
Speaker 3: but if that sounds up your alley, I would recommend
Speaker 3: Widow's Bay at Apple TV.
Speaker 2: Plus well very cool. I saw a couple things on
Speaker 2: it to mention real quick. Yeah, So first off, we
Speaker 2: have Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan Ghost War. He's back. He
Speaker 2: is back. He left three years ago, but he's back
Speaker 2: for more. So this is a movie sequel to the
Speaker 2: Prime video streaming series have they done that yet.
Speaker 3: Has it just been a series or have they done
Speaker 3: you know, like one off movies yet of Jack Ryan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we don't before for this particular the John Krasinski.
Speaker 2: This is the first time. Okay, they're doing a movie. Okay.
Speaker 2: And you know me, I'm a big Jack Ryan fan.
Speaker 2: I like the movies the books less. So I tried
Speaker 2: reading one and that was that was it for me.
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you mean, the like Patriot Games, the
Speaker 1: old ones?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, well I tried. I was assigned to read
Speaker 2: between eighth grade and freshman year, The Cardinal of the Kremlin.
Speaker 1: I remember that title.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was quite excited to read it because you know,
Speaker 2: I by then Patriot Games had come out, and you
Speaker 2: know Hunt Freed October of course, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh man, can't wait, and and it was just just impenetrable.
Speaker 2: I know, people people love Tom Clancy's techno thriller pro pros. Yes,
Speaker 2: I will count myself as a not a fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember buying the Sum of All Fears because I
Speaker 3: excuse me, I liked the Hunt for October. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I mean it was like as big as the Bible,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I just couldn't I couldn't get
Speaker 3: through it.
Speaker 2: But all that is to say, I've I've enjoyed the
Speaker 2: moviees quite a bit. I think I've said I I've
Speaker 2: I have enjoyed to varying degrees, every Jack Ryan movie,
Speaker 2: including the Chris Chris Pine one that everyone forgets about see. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I really enjoyed the series, the Prime Video Series,
Speaker 2: which I highly recommend. I've recommended it to you. So
Speaker 2: when they announced that they were doing this movie, I
Speaker 2: was very excited. I was like, man, let's do like
Speaker 2: I think John Krasinski to me is second only to
Speaker 2: Harrison Ford, who is my favorite. Jack Ryan.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Well, can you explain what it is about him
Speaker 3: that body of Jack Ryan's so so?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I think what he adds is whenever an
Speaker 2: awkward moment happens, he looks at the camera and looks incredulous,
Speaker 2: which I just that makes him more relatable to me totally.
Speaker 2: And I like that when Jim Greer said something, he
Speaker 2: looks over and he kind of shakes his head like no, no.
Speaker 2: I think you know. It's it's tricky with with Jack
Speaker 2: Ryan because he has to be in every man who
Speaker 2: is you believe he's a man of action, but you
Speaker 2: also believe he is smart, right, Jack Ryan is always
Speaker 2: the smartest guy in the room, right, you know? And
Speaker 2: I think I think Alec Baldwin was able to convey that. Certainly,
Speaker 2: he conveyed the smart part more than the man of
Speaker 2: action part. I think that Harrison Ford was able to
Speaker 2: convey both, you know, and then you know, like I said,
Speaker 2: I you know, Alec, Ben Affleck, Chris Pine, they were
Speaker 2: able to do it to varying degrees. I haven't disliked
Speaker 2: any of them, but I just feel like Krasinski works
Speaker 2: for me in the same way Harrison Ford did, you know.
Speaker 2: And the show was just darn good man four seasons
Speaker 2: it was. It was very solid, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: and this movie is not. Unfortunately, uh I said this
Speaker 2: in my review for The Rap. John Krasinski is a
Speaker 2: great Jack Ryan. Ghost War is not a great Jack
Speaker 2: Ryan movie. Like even the title is such a generic,
Speaker 2: like like you know, it it's such a it's like
Speaker 2: a placeholder title.
Speaker 1: Ghost War. Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know what it reminds me of.
Speaker 3: There was you know, there's all those like arcade shooting games,
Speaker 3: and there was one that was very generic that for
Speaker 3: some reason Sean and I really liked it.
Speaker 1: It was called Ghost Squad and everything about it.
Speaker 3: It was fun to play, but everything about it felt
Speaker 3: like a knockoff of something that had already been done better.
Speaker 1: So yeah, even just even just cause like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: working for the Ghost Squad. Yeah, so yeah, it reminds
Speaker 1: me of that a little bit.
Speaker 2: Ghost War. It's yeah, it's a shame because like it
Speaker 2: does pick up, you know, a couple of years after
Speaker 2: the show, and so you get, you know, Wendell Pierce's
Speaker 2: back as admiral career and and uh what what what's
Speaker 2: his name? The shoot for the actor's name, the guy
Speaker 2: who played Mike November. It's kind of like the John
Speaker 2: Clark type characters. Michael. Oh, yeah, Michael is the actor's name. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's back. Like like it's it's what I would have wanted, like,
Speaker 2: if you're going to continue, bring everybody back. But but
Speaker 2: the story is just very generic and then it doesn't
Speaker 2: amount to anything, and and the third act it's just
Speaker 2: like machine gun fire and buildings exploding and stuff, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's boring, you know.
Speaker 1: I thought we were talking about Mandalorian Grogu Later.
Speaker 2: Some some similar reactions yeah, I just I went with
Speaker 2: my son. I don't really right, I went with my
Speaker 2: oldest he's nineteen, and you know, we we've the Ryan
Speaker 2: movies together. And when it ended, he turns to me,
Speaker 2: he's like, it was an okay, action movie. I didn't
Speaker 2: think it was a good Jack Ryan movie. I'm like,
Speaker 2: come here, boy, get some milk chicks exactly. So there's
Speaker 2: just some you know. What I always point to is
Speaker 2: like scene two Jack Ryan scenes that are like top tier,
Speaker 2: right number one, Clear in Present Danger. I think you
Speaker 2: already know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about it's
Speaker 2: the the the ambush, right, the convoy ambush. But also
Speaker 2: in Clear in Present Danger, there's a scene where Jack
Speaker 2: Ryan is trying to print out some files.
Speaker 1: I remember that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right while across the hall you have Henry Churney
Speaker 2: deleting the files and you're like chewing your fingernails watching
Speaker 2: this scene. Yes, you know what I mean? Like that, Like,
Speaker 2: to me, that's where the sort of clancy Ouvra excels
Speaker 2: where it's it. There's like a there's more tension, and
Speaker 2: it's more about the politicking, you know, I mean some
Speaker 2: of all fears you've seen that one, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean the climax of the movie is like Jack Ryan
Speaker 2: texting the premiere of Russia basically, yeah right, like that
Speaker 2: that's to me the essence of drama, and this one
Speaker 2: kind of loses sight of that, which is just a
Speaker 2: shame because all the ingredients are there. Yeah yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So the movie ends, and I certainly was not like,
Speaker 2: oh that sucked. I just thought it was kind of
Speaker 2: mid and I'm like, I hope we get another one
Speaker 2: because I'd like to see them get it right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, interesting because I love those movies and
Speaker 2: I think I think Krasinski is terrific as Ryan. But
Speaker 2: that movie is streaming on Prime Video and also on
Speaker 2: Prime Video starting next week as we record. This is
Speaker 2: Spider Noir.
Speaker 1: Now this I'm very very curious about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is an eight episode series that is
Speaker 2: part of Sony, you know, and its efforts to to
Speaker 2: you know, allah Marge Simpson in the Chanelle dress, like,
Speaker 2: how many, how many ensembles can we get out of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, that's Sony with their packet of Spider Man rights. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they tried the thing like, hey, let's make movies
Speaker 2: out of Spider Man villains. And after like the fourth one,
Speaker 2: people like stop for the love of God, stop right
Speaker 2: right after Craving the Hunter. It's like God Man just
Speaker 2: like no, no, right, And so this is instead, it's
Speaker 2: it's produced by Lord and Miller. Well, and it is
Speaker 2: ostensibly based on the Nicholas Cage Spider Man Noir character
Speaker 2: from the Spider Verse movies. There's the connection, yeah, but
Speaker 2: this is not tifically that this is another variant. Oh really? Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh wow? And this is I mean that doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I mean not really, I guess, but like I think
Speaker 2: there's some kind it's weird, right because the Spider Man
Speaker 2: rights are just sliced up like Deli meat between Sony
Speaker 2: and Disney. Right, So I think the way it works
Speaker 2: is like Sony has the live action feature rights okay,
Speaker 2: and the feature animation rights okay, and live action TV rights.
Speaker 2: I think that's right, okay, and then and then Disney
Speaker 2: has TV animation okay. So that's why on Disney Plus
Speaker 2: you've got like friendly Neighborhood Spider Man. That's a Disney joint, right,
Speaker 2: But Sony is not allowed to use Peter Parker in
Speaker 2: any movie that isn't the MCU Spider Man can.
Speaker 1: You imagine being in the meetings where they hashed all
Speaker 1: this out.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a lot.
Speaker 1: I bet it was tedious, but also kind of fascinating,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so this this is me trying to navigate
Speaker 2: through this mass, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in in the Spider Verse movies, Spider Man Noir
Speaker 2: is Peter Parker, but in this series is Ben Riley. Okay,
Speaker 2: right now, Ben Riley for those of you don't know,
Speaker 2: which I would assume is you Brian, correct? Ben Riley
Speaker 2: is the Spider Man clone character from the nineties. That's
Speaker 2: the that was the name that he gave.
Speaker 1: Okay, so wait, so he isn't Peter Parker, but he
Speaker 1: well well hold on, no, no, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: At some point and this isn't a spoiler, but it
Speaker 2: alludes to the fact that so the show this is
Speaker 2: there's like a lot of legworking. So the show is
Speaker 2: set in like the thirties, right post war, and it's
Speaker 2: like a noir you know, I mean, it's smart. It's
Speaker 2: in the title. It's like a trying to be like
Speaker 2: a pre code Warner Brothers gangster picture, you know, sure
Speaker 2: doing that, And it alludes to the fact that Ben
Speaker 2: Riley he changed his name. M hm, so therefore he
Speaker 2: is Peter Parker. Okay, but but see this is this
Speaker 2: I actually mentioned this in my review. I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: kind of brilliant calling him Ben Riley, right, because like,
Speaker 2: if you say Peter Parker, that carries a certain set
Speaker 2: of expectations totally, and to some extent it takes you
Speaker 2: out of it because you're like, oh, Peter Parker spider Man,
Speaker 2: and this is like a noir story that has some
Speaker 2: Spider Man elements in it, but like you just take
Speaker 2: it for what it is totally right, And so you know,
Speaker 2: it's just Nicholas Cage, really, just Nicholas caging it up, right,
Speaker 2: So right, right, I'm a spider, I'm a detective. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just him doing that.
Speaker 1: So he is, he is caging it up, oh big time.
Speaker 2: He's having fun. That sounds great. I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: there's literally points in the thing where he's like yeah,
Speaker 2: she yeah, yeah, He's literally and I'm like, I love this.
Speaker 2: I love I love that Nicholas Cage is in his
Speaker 2: happy place. He's sixty plus, right, and he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna play black and white Spider Man going yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: wait the whole time or the whole time occasionally, and
Speaker 2: it's clearly he's like channeling Edward g Robinson. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's textual, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But but I went
Speaker 2: in expecting not much, and I was I was quite surprised.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it quite a bit. I found it very fun.
Speaker 2: You know. In addition to Nicolas Cage, you've got Brendan Gleeson, okay,
Speaker 2: who's got this great uh you know, Chief O'Hara Irish accent.
Speaker 2: He plays a mob boss called silver Main, okay, and
Speaker 2: he's hamming it up. You get Lamar and Morris is
Speaker 2: in there, Jack Houston, and they're all playing like Spider
Speaker 2: Man characters. But it's you know, this is again, this
Speaker 2: is Marge and the Chanel dress. We're pretty far down
Speaker 2: the road at this point from what that dress started out,
Speaker 2: as you know, but there's some traces. There's traces, there's
Speaker 2: traces exactly, and I'm kind of like, look, if Sony's
Speaker 2: gonna do stuff like this, then I'll at least applaud
Speaker 2: the effort because they're they're they're trying to mix it
Speaker 2: up a little, you know. Yeah, yeah, so I would
Speaker 2: be totally down with seeing another season of this. Great.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch this.
Speaker 2: And and it's available in two flavors, so you have
Speaker 2: authentic black and white and then true hue color hmmm.
Speaker 2: And so you watch it in black and white and
Speaker 2: it gives you something, you know, you feel like you're
Speaker 2: gonna se Jimmy Cagney walk down the street, you know.
Speaker 2: And then the true Hugh kind of it has this
Speaker 2: like almost it I mean, it looks colorized. So to
Speaker 2: me it evokes like Dick Tracy the warrant Baty to crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it's fun. I enjoyed it great. That's
Speaker 2: two things on prime video, but two very different reactions.
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to the Spider Man one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that is that. Hey, we we we
Speaker 2: got a couple listener letters here, Brian, you have eighteen
Speaker 2: thousand all addressed.
Speaker 1: You've got, you know, just right off the bad I
Speaker 1: want to mention this.
Speaker 3: Our friend Bushra saw the movie Michael, the Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: Pick and she had the funniest take on it. I
Speaker 3: had to share where she was like, you know, for me,
Speaker 3: it sort of played like a Burns for all seasons.
Speaker 3: You know, when mister Burns had that propaganda movie made
Speaker 3: for him where it like.
Speaker 1: Completely made him like.
Speaker 3: Like the greatest hero whoever, was directed by senior spell
Speaker 3: Ergo and I was like, that's totally that's pretty good,
Speaker 3: that's pretty apt.
Speaker 2: We just needed Chuck Caston being like, you truly are
Speaker 2: king of.
Speaker 1: Kings, uli are the king of pop?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I thought that was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Well, you know they're they're hard at work on that
Speaker 2: sequel that's a coming.
Speaker 1: Have you heard about this? By the way, Like.
Speaker 3: Obviously the question is whatever is left in his life
Speaker 3: to cover is really dicey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's gonna take us down some some depressing corridors.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, so the first movie contorted itself, however, it
Speaker 3: could as awkwardly as it was at times, to avoid
Speaker 3: making him seem even slightly even like offbeat, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. He's just Saint Michael for the whole movie.
Speaker 3: And so how do you possibly cover these later years
Speaker 3: in a sequel? And what I read yesterday, I don't
Speaker 3: have it in front of me, but someone at Line'sgate
Speaker 3: was like, well, we don't necessarily have to go forward.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things we didn't cover in the
Speaker 3: first movie. We can it can jump around in time,
Speaker 3: and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, you guys really just stepped in it, Like.
Speaker 2: You can tell this guy was just like riffing off
Speaker 2: the top of his head. Well I think this is
Speaker 2: I think it was like, yeah, see, definitely that definitely that.
Speaker 3: But also this clearly wasn't the plan, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: they did make a movie that went into the Neverland
Speaker 3: ranch and the police coming in, and like they did
Speaker 3: do that. Then they had to go back and change everything,
Speaker 3: and they put out something that everybody really liked that
Speaker 3: just didn't get into any sort of controversy or questioning anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, well here's the here's the quote. This is from
Speaker 2: from Adam foegel Send, he's the head of Lions Gaty says,
Speaker 2: all the conversations that we've been having with all of
Speaker 2: the appropriate parties continue to go exceptionally well. And I
Speaker 2: would say that there's a ton of incredibly entertaining Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson's story and much of the biggest and most popular
Speaker 2: parts of his music catalog that were not touched upon
Speaker 2: in the first film. I actually don't think that's true
Speaker 2: because because even in terms of.
Speaker 3: His music to think that anything I mean, dangerous of
Speaker 3: course was a big hit in its own right. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but but I mean to say that that was you know,
Speaker 3: thriller is thriller, right.
Speaker 1: But but but what I mean is this is this.
Speaker 2: Is the big Yeah. Please we can go forwards and
Speaker 2: backwards and telling the story. There's so many he wants
Speaker 2: to do, like Godfather Part two basically.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, they're gonna oh you a big check, Like
Speaker 3: I think you just cracked it for them.
Speaker 2: There's so many other events that happened even in the
Speaker 2: timeframe of the original movie that weren't touched upon. No,
Speaker 2: so you may still get your Joe Jackson abusing Michael
Speaker 2: moments that you wanted more of.
Speaker 3: Obviously that's not true. Well no, but you no, but
Speaker 3: but but he is. He is referring to me saying
Speaker 3: that I think they sanitized Joe Jackson a little bit
Speaker 3: as awful as he still came across.
Speaker 2: But also, I mean, yeah, I just remember you saying
Speaker 2: I wanted more of the child being beaten, and you
Speaker 2: were very like exercised about it. I was actually like
Speaker 2: I had to take off my headphones. You were that
Speaker 2: there was there's so much distortion in my in my headset.
Speaker 3: I kept being like, if I could return to my
Speaker 3: earlier point, Zachi before you cut me off, before he
Speaker 3: changed the subjects No, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean, obviously you make a good point. Obviously.
Speaker 3: I mean I was saying, you know, we didn't even
Speaker 3: touch on him dating Brooks Shields, which is kind of
Speaker 3: interesting for a myriad of reasons. The weird rumors that
Speaker 3: started going out on around him about him being sleeping
Speaker 3: in a hyperbaric chamber. And I'm not saying I want
Speaker 3: them to point at him and say, isn't this guy weird?
Speaker 3: But like these were, this was a big part of
Speaker 3: who he was in the public's consciousness. Why not address it?
Speaker 3: How did he feel about that? I do think that
Speaker 3: would make for a more textured and interesting look at him.
Speaker 3: But what I think is interesting is they realized if
Speaker 3: we take all of that stuff out and just make
Speaker 3: him Saint Michael, that's a winning formula, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: That worked. Nobody cared that we didn't address any of
Speaker 1: the other stuff or even go very deep.
Speaker 2: So I think that gets a lot harder to do
Speaker 2: with the second half of his life.
Speaker 3: But that's why I find it so fascinating. They're like,
Speaker 3: why go forward, Let's go back again, Let's go back again.
Speaker 1: I just think that's like amazing.
Speaker 2: Captain EO.
Speaker 1: They didn't even cover, you know.
Speaker 3: I smooth, Yeah, exactly. There's so much they didn't touch
Speaker 3: on in that era. So I mean they must be
Speaker 3: thinking multiple movies, not just one. So maybe this one
Speaker 3: will fill in the gaps. Like you said, it might
Speaker 3: be sort of a Godfather too situation, like jumping back
Speaker 3: and forth, and then I'm sure they'll leave room for
Speaker 3: a third one.
Speaker 2: Good lord.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I thought that was pretty fascinating anyway.
Speaker 2: So that was our listener letter section. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: we got a ton of letters regarding our commentary track
Speaker 2: for all the presidents. Been an hour to share some
Speaker 2: of those. Yeah. Here, So this is a note we
Speaker 2: got from Adam O and he says, damn, I listened
Speaker 2: to your commentary of all the President's men during the
Speaker 2: weirdest week possible for nostalgia for traditional media. During my
Speaker 2: senior year in high school, I was fortunate to work
Speaker 2: as a part time sports reporter from my local paper,
Speaker 2: the Douglas County News Review in Roseberg, Oregon. Last year
Speaker 2: the paper went to a weekly print edition rather than daily,
Speaker 2: and this last Friday, April twenty fourth, they published their
Speaker 2: last print edition after one hundred and fifty eight years.
Speaker 2: My working life started at another newspaper, as a paper
Speaker 2: boy for the Juno Empire, which is now a shell
Speaker 2: of itself. I'm also a fan of movies set or
Speaker 2: partially set in a newsroom. The chaos always makes me
Speaker 2: remember those Friday and Saturday nights when all of us
Speaker 2: sports reporters were calling coaches and trying to fill in
Speaker 2: stats for the local prep games, especially on a Saturday
Speaker 2: night with the midnight deadline approaching, so Craig the sports
Speaker 2: editor could get everything laid out and sent to the
Speaker 2: printing plant. A movie I would suggest is the Ron
Speaker 2: Howard directed film The Paper. It captures that manic energy
Speaker 2: and has an amazing ensemble cast Michael Keaton, Mursa Tome,
Speaker 2: Robert Duval, Glenn Close, Randy Quaid, Katherine O'Hara, and more.
Speaker 2: It's one of my comfort food movies that I'll throw
Speaker 2: on when I can't sleep and just need something familiar
Speaker 2: to drift off to. But then we'll pull it up
Speaker 2: a day or two later. Because I want to watch it.
Speaker 2: I also want to put in a plug for the
Speaker 2: listeners to support your local journalism. Maybe buy a digital
Speaker 2: subscription to your local paper or pick up a print
Speaker 2: edition once in a while. I know not everyone can
Speaker 2: afford to do that, but if you're able, please consider it. Well.
Speaker 2: Traditional media may have its flaws, it's also a fundamental
Speaker 2: backbone of ensuring we maintain and inform public. Thanks again
Speaker 2: for another great commentary.
Speaker 1: I love every part of that, Adam, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I love the paper. You've seen that, right, Yes, yeah, Ron,
Speaker 2: that is a good flick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of forgotten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah, I mean, gosh, when it
Speaker 2: comes to news, I do try to put my money
Speaker 2: where my mouth is that, you know. I buy digital subscriptions,
Speaker 2: actually more more outlets than I read. I subscribe to
Speaker 2: m because exactly that. You know, it's if you don't
Speaker 2: pay for it, then we'll all pay for it. Very good. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: here's I know. We got from Charles Ogan, who says,
Speaker 2: I enjoyed your recent commentary on all the President's Men.
Speaker 2: It's always nice to hear you speak fondly of the College,
Speaker 2: College of Page and Wheaton. Well, gosh, that's our origin
Speaker 2: story right. When you mentioned missing Bernstein at College of
Speaker 2: Due Page, it triggered a memory for me. After graduating
Speaker 2: from DePaul Law School, but before I received my bar results,
Speaker 2: my mom set me up for lunch with a lawyer
Speaker 2: friend of hers. The idea was that this respected attorney
Speaker 2: could offer some sage advice on how to succeed as
Speaker 2: a new lawyer in du Page County and hopefully point
Speaker 2: me toward a few job leads. The day came and
Speaker 2: I put on my nicest and only suit and met
Speaker 2: this older lawyer for lunch in Wheaton. When I arrived,
Speaker 2: I was surprised to see another man sitting with him.
Speaker 2: Both stood up and greeted me, and my contact said,
Speaker 2: I hope you don't mind. I invited al Woodward, one
Speaker 2: of my partners. Yes, that Alfred Woodward, the respected retired
Speaker 2: judge and father of Bob Woodward.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: The three of us made small talk and I received
Speaker 2: my share of advice on how to build a legal
Speaker 2: career into Page County. Midway through the conversation, I finally
Speaker 2: worked up the courage to bring up all the presidents
Speaker 2: men and his son. I remember asking Judge Woodward what
Speaker 2: it felt like to have someone like Robert Redford portrays on.
Speaker 2: He smiled and said it didn't feel bad. Redford is
Speaker 2: a good man. That brief interaction has lingered in my
Speaker 2: mind far more than most of the advice I received
Speaker 2: that day. Thank you again for the commentary. It not
Speaker 2: only brought back this memory but also prompted me to
Speaker 2: rewatch all the presidents men last night. It was just
Speaker 2: as enjoyable as I remembered.
Speaker 3: Amazing, and we bring that up in the commentary. I
Speaker 3: went to Wheaton Warnville South High School and Bob Woodward
Speaker 3: graduated from there, so that was kind of a point
Speaker 3: of pride for the school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I missed out on my chance to see
Speaker 2: Carl Bernstein had called.
Speaker 1: You to pay That's.
Speaker 2: A point of pride for me. Here's a comment we
Speaker 2: got from Luke Smail on YouTube, and this is also
Speaker 2: with regards to all the presidents man. He says, another
Speaker 2: superb commentary by you guys, very informative and Zachie, well
Speaker 2: done for keeping the comparisons between then politically and now
Speaker 2: to a minimum. As I would have been like, that
Speaker 2: is just like what's happening every three minutes right a
Speaker 2: few years ago I actually sat down and watched the
Speaker 2: Richard Nixon trilogy, The Post All, The President's Men, and
Speaker 2: Frost Nixon. Right, that's like the Richard Nixon Journalism trilogy.
Speaker 1: Go on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like Palpatine in the original trilogy, the lead
Speaker 2: villain doesn't appear until the third film. If you really
Speaker 2: want to go, Banana's Point Break can be the spinoff
Speaker 2: film in the side. I am not a crook like
Speaker 2: you guys. I have a love of investigative journalism films.
Speaker 2: And another one I would add is The Killing Fields.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen in school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I saw just recently. Redford was really on
Speaker 2: fire during the seventies and one of his most underrated
Speaker 2: films is The Candidate, which I only saw after he
Speaker 2: passed away and loved the hell out of amazing film
Speaker 2: if you've never seen him. If you want to see
Speaker 2: some great DVD extra features, the DVD for the twenty
Speaker 2: fifth anniversary of All the Presidents Men has interviews with
Speaker 2: Ben Bradley and Woodstain, both of them they discussed journalism
Speaker 2: then versus in the early two thousands, and it's well
Speaker 2: worth a look. And that too, that's like twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Now that's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen seventy six had some amazing films, so I
Speaker 2: look forward to more commentaries from this year.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: There we go, And then here's a note we got
Speaker 2: from Melissa Nicholson and this is in regards to you
Speaker 2: and I. We were talking about the trailer for the
Speaker 2: Harry Potter series that's coming up on Oh, yes, that's right,
Speaker 2: and we were both like, well, we're not the audience
Speaker 2: for this, yes, yes, yes, so please help us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Melissa Julie answered, she said, hey, Zachie and Brian
Speaker 2: love the recent episode of the podcast probably laughed a
Speaker 2: little too hard at Melatonin Man and baby Yoda.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. When I saw it last night.
Speaker 3: I called my mom afterwards when I was driving home,
Speaker 3: just to chit chat, and she jokingly was like, so,
Speaker 3: how's melatonin man.
Speaker 1: That's so I thank you for fringing that up, Melissa.
Speaker 2: And we'll be talking about that later in the episode.
Speaker 2: When you were talking about the latest Harry Potter series
Speaker 2: that will be coming out soon, I wanted to share
Speaker 2: my thoughts. I've been Harry Potter fans since the beginning,
Speaker 2: which makes it twenty nine years ouch. It was a
Speaker 2: book I immediately loved, enjoyed. It felt down to earth, relatable,
Speaker 2: and then you get into the magical world and follow
Speaker 2: Harry on his journey through life and as he becomes
Speaker 2: a wizard. There are so many wonderful characters that you
Speaker 2: begin to know and love. I went through my read
Speaker 2: of the book, watch the movie, my mom and I
Speaker 2: went to everyone and enjoyed it all. There were honestly
Speaker 2: no nitpicks. That's the movies. That's nice. Now comes along
Speaker 2: a TV series of a movie and book series. I'm
Speaker 2: not entirely sure how I feel about something essentially being
Speaker 2: rebooted into something new. I know I do not like
Speaker 2: the look of it. It feels bland and sterile. Somehow,
Speaker 2: the original movies felt so warm and cozy, and it
Speaker 2: became dark when it needed to, which was further into
Speaker 2: the film series. Yet it still had those warm moments,
Speaker 2: especially in the first film. Chris Columbus brought that whole
Speaker 2: world to life and then some It's absolutely incredible. It
Speaker 2: still blows my mind to this day that those candles
Speaker 2: in the main hall of Hogwarts were done practically. Those
Speaker 2: are all real candles. Yeah, I feel like they're doing
Speaker 2: this to bring a new generation into the world of
Speaker 2: Harry Potter, but make it more fresh and new looking.
Speaker 2: It could also be an attempt to bring fans back
Speaker 2: into it, because I felt the fandom did take a
Speaker 2: hit from all the JK. Rowling thoughts and opinions. For me,
Speaker 2: I don't agree on any level with Rowling, but I
Speaker 2: separate the two. Rowling is in their own little bubble
Speaker 2: of nonsense and thoughts in the Magical Worlds in its own,
Speaker 2: remaining untainted. I choose to do it that way because
Speaker 2: I love Harry Potter so much and I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: the author's opinions to ruin it for me. When I
Speaker 2: saw the trailer for the new series, the vibe was off,
Speaker 2: and like I said before, the look of it was
Speaker 2: very different and felt so bland. Seeing new people in
Speaker 2: roles that became very familiar to me was weird. The
Speaker 2: actors who played the roles in the movies became those
Speaker 2: characters and you couldn't se anyone else playing it. Here
Speaker 2: we have a whole new group of people coming along
Speaker 2: to play these beloved characters. I feel it's too different
Speaker 2: and just doesn't feel right. This is only a trailer
Speaker 2: after also, maybe it's not so bad, but my immediate
Speaker 2: thought is this isn't for me, and that's okay. The
Speaker 2: original became a millennial generation Star Wars where it just
Speaker 2: blew up and became a phenomenon for many. I was
Speaker 2: a part of that, which is pretty neat to think.
Speaker 2: I hope that this new series captures an audience and
Speaker 2: maybe this is the stepping stone for them to explore
Speaker 2: the older films and the books, because there will be
Speaker 2: those who haven't yet heard of them yet. This new
Speaker 2: series will be something for someone, and I hope it's enjoyed.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a nice perspective.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, and then Melissa says, PS, glad you finally
Speaker 2: got your teeth delt with Brian. Thank you. Sounds sounds
Speaker 2: like the whole process was like pulling teeth. Yes, I'm
Speaker 2: glad your tooth situation is done to thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have no no steak in any of
Speaker 2: the Harry Potter stuff, but I mean I guess ultimately
Speaker 2: that's what it is, right, Like, the the new thing
Speaker 2: is going to be somebody's entree into all of it,
Speaker 2: and you know, just.
Speaker 1: Hope it's good. Hope it's good for them.
Speaker 2: Right now, my nieces, my brother's daughters, they're watching the
Speaker 2: modern Planet of the Apes films for the first time, okay,
Speaker 2: and so Rise of the Planet Apes is they're entree
Speaker 2: into that, and I'm like, well, I hope you know
Speaker 2: they'll go back and watch the sixty eight one at
Speaker 2: some point. I'd love to hear their thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be very curious.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing, right, It's like, Creed is somebody's
Speaker 2: first Rocky movie, totally, totally, and this isn't exactly that,
Speaker 2: And I understand people being very precious about it. And
Speaker 2: it does get messy because JK. Rowling is pretty obnoxious.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of factors here.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I really appreciate Melissa's take
Speaker 3: because you know, when I was a little bit younger,
Speaker 3: I did have the feeling where you can't do that
Speaker 3: this is this is the thing. How can you assume
Speaker 3: that anyone else could accept anything else as the thing.
Speaker 3: But as I get older and time march is on,
Speaker 3: you realize there's just cycles of things, you know, and
Speaker 3: this is a new cycle, you know. I'm like, finally,
Speaker 3: old enough to now see that, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: well I had my cycle and it's pretty good and
Speaker 3: people seem to like it still. So at some point,
Speaker 3: you know, it makes sense to recycle something maybe possibly
Speaker 3: and hopefully it speaks.
Speaker 1: To you know, the generation coming up now.
Speaker 2: Well, as is sort of the unofficial mantra of the
Speaker 2: movie film show, it's not a better friend than Froggy,
Speaker 2: just different, just different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can feel that the older is more successful,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that.
Speaker 3: This is the only version that's going to be good
Speaker 3: for them, but if it gets them interested in something
Speaker 3: that's great and something that was always good is always
Speaker 3: going to be good. So, like you were saying about
Speaker 3: the plan of the Apes, hopefully it brings people back
Speaker 3: to the older thing that they might not have checked
Speaker 3: out otherwise. Right, you know that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to dismit, dismissed the past.
Speaker 2: Well, it's sort of like I remember being a little
Speaker 2: kid and growing up with obviously growing up with Christopher
Speaker 2: Reeve as Superman, and then I saw a picture of
Speaker 2: George Reeves as you know, the TV Superman and being
Speaker 2: like the hell is that? Yeah? Right, yeah, and no,
Speaker 2: there's only one Superman, you know, and then obviously you
Speaker 2: you know, you're like, no, well, that's part of the history.
Speaker 2: And guess what, Christopher is part of the history is
Speaker 2: not the end of the history. And on it goes,
Speaker 2: and and I think there there is that sense of,
Speaker 2: you know, I would imagine that for a lot of
Speaker 2: fans of Harry Potter films, there was that sense of like, well,
Speaker 2: these movies are going to be the testament to this franchise.
Speaker 1: Like the Wizard of Oz, like they'll be here in
Speaker 1: a hundred years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. And and when you think about it,
Speaker 2: I mean, the list of movies like that keeps getting shorter, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that we have not gotten just
Speaker 2: a straight remake of Wizard of Oz is kind of astounding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2: You know, one would have assumed that Lord of the
Speaker 2: Rings is somewhere in that boat, right, like, well, you're
Speaker 2: not going to touch these but who the hell knows?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, give it time.
Speaker 2: Give it time. And that's kind of my my thought
Speaker 2: on all of this stuff, like well, you know, how
Speaker 2: precious do you want to be about this? But again,
Speaker 2: there is just that there is the general ick factor
Speaker 2: of Rowling, and I would imagine that that Potter fans
Speaker 2: just have to sort of come to their own, you know,
Speaker 2: the place of being comfortable with they're not comfortable with it,
Speaker 2: with putting putting money in her pocket, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: That's that's challenging, I know, And we talk about this often.
Speaker 3: There's so many figures like that where we have to
Speaker 3: figure out ourselves who we can separate art from artists? Well,
Speaker 3: but you know, some we can, so we can't. It's
Speaker 3: always it's it's personal for everyone.
Speaker 2: It really is. I mean, one thing I think about
Speaker 2: a lot is the fact that James Bond is now
Speaker 2: fully owned by a Bond villain at Jeff Bezos. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't. I don't want to support that guy,
Speaker 2: you know, right, But you know, yeah, that's just where
Speaker 2: we are. Welcome to the welcome to the twenty first century,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: And I mean, if I'm being honest, I don't know
Speaker 3: why I'm dragging myself into this, but like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: you hear a lot of things about the way Amazon
Speaker 3: is run that don't sound so great, and yet I
Speaker 3: order from them all the time. It's just the weird
Speaker 3: sort of you know, split personality. It's sort of thing
Speaker 3: we have to deal with with that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: living in the twenty first century.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tough, you know, mm hmm, it's it's
Speaker 2: it is a challenge. Yeah. And and there there is
Speaker 2: no there's no there is no easy answer. Yeah. Hey,
Speaker 2: we got some headlines though, extra all right. So, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you know the Odyssey Is is coming up
Speaker 2: in a few months. You excited for that? I am.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a new trailer, newish trailer out now,
Speaker 3: and uh, I like the first one, but I really
Speaker 3: like the second one. I feel like it digs into
Speaker 3: the story even more, you know, shows sort of uh
Speaker 3: what everyone's up against and the villainy and you know,
Speaker 3: the people being oppressed. And I was like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is meaty, this is this is what I needed to
Speaker 3: get even more excited about this.
Speaker 2: What's funny is there has been like a barrage of
Speaker 2: critiques being lobbed at this movie, some of which are
Speaker 2: are comical and some of which are well, I would
Speaker 2: say the majority of them are comical. Mm hm. One
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of is the fact that everyone
Speaker 2: in the film is speaking in like a traditional American accent.
Speaker 1: Sure, which, by the way, I forgot to mention this,
Speaker 1: but I rewatched Amadaeus recently and I hadn't seen that
Speaker 1: since maybe school, right, And I was initially struck that
Speaker 1: everyone is speaking like a modern sort of sounding English,
Speaker 1: you know, not even trying to do like a British.
Speaker 2: Or italianate Atlantic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any sort of accents. I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: a choice. But you know what, if that's what's going
Speaker 3: to allow the actors to give their best performance, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, not fighting through mimicking some sort
Speaker 3: of accent, then like, I don't know, I can I
Speaker 3: can adapt to that.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing, right because because in the
Speaker 2: trailer you have you know, Tom Holland and Robert Pattinson,
Speaker 2: you know, trading barbs, and both of them are not American.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true, that's true, I sayd.
Speaker 2: Both of them are like, well, my dad's coming back
Speaker 2: and your dad's not coming back. That's true. That's basic, right,
Speaker 2: It's like dad, you know, there's a lot of that
Speaker 2: on the internet.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember that, he says, Dad. That's funny though,
Speaker 3: versus father or something a little more right.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about this, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: if I were to guess, yeah, this is a sop
Speaker 2: to the fact that Matt Damon is Matt Damon, and
Speaker 2: I don't know how how much skill he has with accents, right.
Speaker 3: So it starts at the top and works its way down.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I think, Matt, it's not going to
Speaker 3: be doing an accent, right.
Speaker 2: But I was thinking about this, I was like, this
Speaker 2: is this is CA nineteen syndrome? Yes, right, Like what's
Speaker 2: more distracting? So for those of you who don't know
Speaker 2: CAN nineteen. The Widow Maker is a submarine thriller directed
Speaker 2: by Catherine Bigelow. It stars Harrison Ford as a Russian
Speaker 2: submarine captain. And Harrison Ford was bound and determined to
Speaker 2: do a Russian accent. And I would imagine the folks
Speaker 2: at various points in the food chain were like, please,
Speaker 2: for the love of God, don't do a Russian accent right, right, right?
Speaker 2: And he was like, I'm going to do a Russian accent,
Speaker 2: God damn it, right, And he tried and he said
Speaker 2: he will not fail. But he failed because all you
Speaker 2: hear is is this boris bad. Enough accent coming out
Speaker 2: of Harrison Ford's face and it breaks your immersion, which.
Speaker 1: Makes you realize.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's one of the biggest stars, one of
Speaker 3: the most beloved movie stars in the world, but he
Speaker 3: has his lane right, right. He doesn't often veer out
Speaker 3: of being a Harrison Ford type.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Even it makes me think of the movie forty two,
Speaker 3: that Jackie Robinson movie, and I remember he's trying to
Speaker 3: play like a krusty nineteen thirties, forties whatever, yeah, type
Speaker 3: of guy, and you're like, you know, like maybe should
Speaker 3: have just been more himself or something. It's putting on
Speaker 3: some sort of you know, these like characteristics that don't
Speaker 3: feel like they come naturally out of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, like like Sean Connery, whether he played an
Speaker 2: Irish beat cup or a Russian submarine captain or James
Speaker 2: effing Bond, he always shounded a shame because that's Sean
Speaker 2: effing Connery.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's why you hired Sean Connery.
Speaker 2: That's right. So I think with The Odyssey, this is
Speaker 2: just my guess. I don't I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: it's like Matt Damon speaking in an accent will be
Speaker 2: more distracting than just him speaking like Matt Damon, and
Speaker 2: so they that's what they you know, It's kind of
Speaker 2: like in Wonder Woman, everybody speaks in an Israeli accent.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, I'm not making a joke. I mean, no, no,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Well, actually I was sort of I was trying to remember,
Speaker 1: but I'd forgotten about it.
Speaker 2: It's true, like Connie Neilson and Robin Right and all
Speaker 2: of them, they're doing like a version of her accent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just been a minute since I've seen I'm
Speaker 3: trying to hear it again in my head. But anyway, yes, yes, yes, exactly,
Speaker 3: exactly right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, it's just funny because I feel like we're
Speaker 2: at that point now where Christopher Nolan has achieved enough
Speaker 2: success where now you've got the folks who are lying
Speaker 2: in wait for him to fail. Mmmm yeah, and Nolan's like,
Speaker 2: we will not fail. See what happens in my cover
Speaker 2: like Harrison Ford's Russian accent. I don't know. And then
Speaker 2: the other controversy, which is either more concerning or stupid,
Speaker 2: or maybe both, is the fact that Nolan cast Lupita
Speaker 2: Neango as Helen of Troy. People very upset about this, Brian,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You may not believe this, Brian. Folks
Speaker 2: on the internet are upset about this.
Speaker 1: I'm having our time imagining it. Now.
Speaker 2: Now here's the thing. Okay, you have people who are
Speaker 2: like they're changing history, they're changing It's not real. None
Speaker 2: of it is real, all right Now. The only requirement
Speaker 2: for Helen of Troy is she was so beautiful that
Speaker 2: a war started for her. Now here's the thing. If
Speaker 2: you can look at Lupita Nango and say she is
Speaker 2: not suited to play Helen of Troy, I think we
Speaker 2: know the reason why you think that, right right, Like
Speaker 2: you're telling on yourself.
Speaker 3: It almost makes me want to be like, explain right exactly,
Speaker 3: go ahead, tell me, yeah, I'll give you all the
Speaker 3: rope you need.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yes, I won't even interrupt. Go ahead, you know, because.
Speaker 2: Because she's objectively gorgeous. Yes, so it's you know, so
Speaker 2: Elon Musk of course is out there just on Front
Speaker 2: Street showing his whole entire ass being like Christopher Nolan
Speaker 2: is just giving into DEI and all this stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 2: and I was just like does this stuff even work anymore?
Speaker 2: You know, like like like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because here's that that movie is gonna come out in
Speaker 2: July and it's going to be a massive hit and
Speaker 2: all you all people are gonna look like dumb asses.
Speaker 3: Right right right right, So it's like, what what are
Speaker 3: we even doing? He makes me think of that Tucker
Speaker 3: Carlson impersonation.
Speaker 2: What are you going on? That's the goal?
Speaker 1: Now, I really love that. That's like the first impersonation
Speaker 1: that's like stuck with me in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's yeah.
Speaker 3: I got a little tripped up as you were talking
Speaker 3: because I was just like, wow, So just anybody's thoughts
Speaker 3: at like two a m. No matter who they are,
Speaker 3: on any topic, Like we're just getting it all the time,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, like what like, well, why why do I
Speaker 1: know this?
Speaker 2: Like this is the problem when these gazillionaires own everything,
Speaker 2: That's what you realize, right, Like we are forced to
Speaker 2: be subjected to this, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh oh absolutely, yeah, yeah yeah right, It's just.
Speaker 2: It's it's hilarious to me because I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: it is a fantasy story. It is the equivalent of
Speaker 2: pointing at Star Wars and being like, why y'all changing history?
Speaker 2: It was set, you know, a long time ago, and
Speaker 2: and I don't remember it being like that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's or it's like the Mummy, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's fiction. It is not it's not based
Speaker 2: on any history, right, right, it's really weird. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm tired, Brian, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm tired.
Speaker 2: Uh. Speaking of tired, Hey, the the final Stephen Colbert
Speaker 2: Late Show aired last night, and I'm tired because I
Speaker 2: was up late watching it. Oh how was I?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I saw the headline.
Speaker 3: I saw that Paul McCartney was there, which I was like,
Speaker 3: of course that's perfect.
Speaker 1: Right, that's sold in theater.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, Yeah, because they're they're they're shutting down the
Speaker 2: Ed Sullivan basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, this past month I would say
Speaker 2: has been sort of a you know, an honor guard
Speaker 2: for for Colbert, as all these people have been coming
Speaker 2: on and talking about how much they love, how important
Speaker 2: he is and and and I don't know how you
Speaker 2: couldn't get a big head after all that.
Speaker 1: Sure, I would.
Speaker 2: Imagine it's a bit like attending your own funeral, right, yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: you know or your own wake. The only thought. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like, there is the politics of it, and we
Speaker 2: already know what likely led to the cancelation whatever. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to get at all that we talked about
Speaker 2: that before. But but the thought I had was, let's
Speaker 2: be honest, this is just the first of these, right,
Speaker 2: Like I can't remember who said this, but somebody was like,
Speaker 2: this current batch of late night hosts are probably the
Speaker 2: final batch.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, and this is the beginning of the
Speaker 3: end of that.
Speaker 2: Right, Like there's something when you put it that way,
Speaker 2: like there will probably not be a late night show
Speaker 2: after Seth Myers. There will probably not be, you know,
Speaker 2: a Tonight Show after Jimmy Kimmel, although if anyone is
Speaker 2: going to hang in there, it would probably be the
Speaker 2: Tonight Show because it is such a storied franchise. But
Speaker 2: then again, you would think that CBS would have wanted
Speaker 2: to keep the lights on at the late show. There's
Speaker 2: just something to that, you know, And you can tell
Speaker 2: there is this sort of like, oh, Letterman was never political.
Speaker 2: I'm like, really right, right, you know, Oh, Johnny Carson,
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, Carson played to the middle of the country,
Speaker 2: but Johnny Carson made fun of every president. That's what
Speaker 2: that means. Right, there's the sense of like, no, if
Speaker 2: my guy is in office, you don't make fun of him.
Speaker 2: That's sort of you know, And it's like, well, no,
Speaker 2: that it used to be. We could all agree that
Speaker 2: you laugh at the president's that's what it used to be, right, right,
Speaker 2: And I wish that hadn't changed, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I think it's still mark of
Speaker 2: a healthy democracy when you poke fun at the person
Speaker 2: in charge, whibard, it's because it's the boss, and yeah,
Speaker 2: keeping them in check exactly, you know. So that was
Speaker 2: you know, there was just something that made me a
Speaker 2: little sad about that about sort of like I mean,
Speaker 2: these late night shows you and I talk about often, like, well,
Speaker 2: they mean something to us and our generation. That is
Speaker 2: not the case for the one after us. So it's
Speaker 2: not surprising that they're all there. They're social relevance, their
Speaker 2: cultural relevance has start to fritter away, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting too, because I mean it's not unique
Speaker 3: to our generation. I mean, this is something that's gone on,
Speaker 3: you know, years and years before us, right, I Mean,
Speaker 3: these are generations of having late night talk show hosts.
Speaker 3: It's it's not like we're just losing something that's like
Speaker 3: a thirty year old true, that's rail type of thing
Speaker 3: like this is goes way way back, I mean all
Speaker 3: the way even really to the days of radio. So
Speaker 3: it's just kind of sad seeing the beginning of the
Speaker 3: end of something that's been around for a very long time.
Speaker 3: I mean, it happens, it happens, but it's still sad
Speaker 3: to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think there's just there is something
Speaker 2: that is plain to see in how fractured everyone has become,
Speaker 2: not just in their politics, in every kind of Siloh
Speaker 2: and that's not good. That's how you get that's how
Speaker 2: you get your elons being like yeah, Helen of Troy
Speaker 2: and his you know Amen corner, all the people who
Speaker 2: hit like being like yeah, tell them Steve Dave, you
Speaker 2: know Steve Dave Right, Like, I think all of this
Speaker 2: is bad because it used to be some I don't
Speaker 2: care if you're the richest man in the world, if
Speaker 2: you're like yeah, Helen of Troy, peopleould be like that's
Speaker 2: freaking stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there would be like
Speaker 2: like like society would sort of have a a balancing effect.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And and I don't know it. I think these these benchmarks,
Speaker 2: these touchstones, the more they fade away, Like you remember
Speaker 2: when Carson went off the air, Oh yeah, right, even
Speaker 2: if even people who didn't watch it but were around
Speaker 2: that back then, remember what that was. I mean it
Speaker 2: was that was a moment.
Speaker 1: I was young, and I knew it was a moment exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And and I don't think there's anything
Speaker 2: comparable to that, you know, yeah, yeah, which is a shame.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe when mister Beast stops doing his YouTube, that'll.
Speaker 3: Be another generation, you know, Like I don't know what
Speaker 3: the version of Bette Midler singing to him on a
Speaker 3: desk is, but he'll he'll have.
Speaker 1: That, you know, like that's is so funny. Yep, But
Speaker 1: that's what it is, right.
Speaker 3: I Mean, if people are watching or talking about a
Speaker 3: moment from the Tonight Show or Late Night or whatever,
Speaker 3: more than likely they're talking about a clip they saw
Speaker 3: on YouTube. That's right, then something they actually saw in
Speaker 3: the moment the previous night on TV.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So and that's just a big part of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why this is going away.
Speaker 2: Now, one thing I would recommend, not in his last show,
Speaker 2: but his next to last show. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you ever watched the Late Show, but he
Speaker 2: would do the Colbert Questionnaire.
Speaker 1: Again, maybe clips from times.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, basically he had like this, this
Speaker 2: all started with this is a clip you and I
Speaker 2: talked about where he had Keanu Reeves on oh yes,
Speaker 2: and and they were talking about the up the then
Speaker 2: upcoming bill and Ted three and and Keanu is just
Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, and they got to do all
Speaker 2: this and if they don't, you know, all of all
Speaker 2: of everything's going to end and everybody's die, and and
Speaker 2: just making conversation, Colbert is like, well, what happens when
Speaker 2: we die? Keanu Reeves? And Keanu Reeves thinks about it
Speaker 2: for a second and he says, I know the people
Speaker 2: who love us will miss us, and right, and that
Speaker 2: was how the audience reacted. Yeah, completely unexpected. And then
Speaker 2: you know Colbert has taken aback a little bit and
Speaker 2: he just kind of shakes his hand and it's a
Speaker 2: beautiful sentiment, it is. And Colbert has said that moment
Speaker 2: led him to say, I want an opportunity for these
Speaker 2: types of just off the cuff interactions with people and say,
Speaker 2: he came up with this, this series of questions that
Speaker 2: he asks his guests, and so they've been doing it
Speaker 2: for a long time. So for his last, next last show,
Speaker 2: he himself took the questionnaire.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, but.
Speaker 2: Each question was asked by a different celebrity guest. And
Speaker 2: so if you go online, you'll see they have the
Speaker 2: extended version of this, which is about forty five minutes long.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, it's a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 2: worth a look. I think you might enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to check that out. I would like
Speaker 1: to see that.
Speaker 2: You know. So God speed Stephen Colbert. He will be
Speaker 2: miss but he will be fine, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's writing a Lord of the Rings movie right now.
Speaker 2: Right in the Lord of the Rings movie. And the
Speaker 2: great thing is is he is doing what many of
Speaker 2: us would like, which is if he wants, not a
Speaker 2: damn thing. Yeah, and that sound good, it.
Speaker 3: Really does, I mean, you know, and he's been he's
Speaker 3: had so many chapters and excelled in each of them.
Speaker 3: And yeah, not many people can say that, and you know,
Speaker 3: especially in his industry. And now it's cool that he's
Speaker 3: got another chapter set up. That is something he's very
Speaker 3: passionate about the world of Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: So that's you know, What's what's funny is is in
Speaker 2: that questionnaire session, I was mentioning one of the questions
Speaker 2: was asked by his wife, who came out and and
Speaker 2: I forgot what the question she asked us, But she
Speaker 2: says to him, remember thirty years ago when you and
Speaker 2: I were in Chicago and both of us were unemployed,
Speaker 2: and we didn't know we had a little baby. We
Speaker 2: didn't know what we were going to do. Could you
Speaker 2: have imagine back then, thirty years later you would be
Speaker 2: sitting here.
Speaker 3: That's funny because I was actually thinking, but I didn't
Speaker 3: say it. I wonder how he felt when he was
Speaker 3: on the Dana Carvey Show, right as a sketch performer,
Speaker 3: thinking like, dude, I'm on a show with one of
Speaker 3: the greatest who ever did it on SNL. This is
Speaker 3: a home run, this is going to launch me. And
Speaker 3: then that show was canceled almost immediately. That's right, And
Speaker 3: then he.
Speaker 2: Talks about he talks about it in that documentary about
Speaker 2: the Dana Carvey Show. He says it and when you're
Speaker 2: working you think, oh, that's it. I'm just going to
Speaker 2: work forever. And then when you're not working, you're like, well,
Speaker 2: that's it, I'm never working again. Uh huh. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: just that sense of like you just don't know what's
Speaker 2: around the corner exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right. But there's also something important there as well, which
Speaker 2: is that, you know the Dana Carvey Show, which lasted
Speaker 2: like like a minute and a half, you know, was
Speaker 2: it like canceled during a commercial break or something. I mean,
Speaker 2: all most you know, it lasted about six I've said
Speaker 2: this before that that show it aired when I was
Speaker 2: a junior in high school and I was doing entertainment
Speaker 2: reviews for our paper, and I wanted to review the
Speaker 2: Dana Carvey Show, and it was canceled before I could
Speaker 2: even because we were monthly, right, so like there was
Speaker 2: like no point, you know. Yeah, but but you know,
Speaker 2: he and Steve Corell came up together, and so they
Speaker 2: were already friends, and then after the Dana Carvey they
Speaker 2: were both on the Dana Carvey Show. Dana Carvey Show ends,
Speaker 2: and then Correll or no Colbert gets on The Daily Show,
Speaker 2: and then he gets Correl on there, and obviously neither
Speaker 2: of them has ever looked back. Yeah, right, but there's
Speaker 2: just something about you know, like you lift people up
Speaker 2: along the way, and your relationships that you build are
Speaker 2: what you carry with you from one experience to the next, right, like,
Speaker 2: because people will think of you when they don't have to.
Speaker 2: And and I can speak to this in terms of
Speaker 2: my own professional life. I know you can speak to
Speaker 2: this in terms of your professional life. That matters so much.
Speaker 2: Just just not even like just be decent, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: just be a person and and that stuff. It pays
Speaker 2: dividends you can't even uh contemplate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not just professionally but personally absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know. Anyway, that's it. We've so we've solved all
Speaker 2: of humanity's problems. Now it's it's been great. What hard? Sorry, Yes,
Speaker 2: that comes the greatest challenge of all, which we'll talk
Speaker 2: about right after this. And now we're pleased to bring
Speaker 2: you our features and we are back. And you know
Speaker 2: who else is back, Brian? Why it's.
Speaker 1: Who's that Zachy?
Speaker 2: Why it's the spawn of Jaba, the Hut Rata the Hut. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which if you have watched Star Wars, you know that
Speaker 2: we saw him as a baby in the Clone Wars
Speaker 2: animated movie that launched the Star Wars Clone Wars series.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: We get a little.
Speaker 3: Visual of that too, a little hollow picture of him
Speaker 3: as a little baby.
Speaker 2: That's right. Also back our din Jar and Grogu and oh,
Speaker 2: the Star Wars franchise on the big screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, since what seven years ago?
Speaker 2: Seven years, six and a half years? Wow, the Mandalorian
Speaker 2: and Grogu is the what are we up to now?
Speaker 2: Ten Star Wars movies? No? Eleven, eleven, right, twelve, twelve? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Solo? Yeah, well, I mean and then.
Speaker 2: Quickly if you want to include the Clone War I
Speaker 2: was just gonna say, yeah, yeah, yeah, thirteen. Okay, Well
Speaker 2: that as we record this. This is this is Friday
Speaker 2: morning that we're recording this. It has made twelve million
Speaker 2: from its Thursday previews. Not bad, which, yeah, that's I
Speaker 2: think that's somewhere around or just below what's Solo opened
Speaker 2: to back in twenty eighteen. I will say the theater
Speaker 2: I watched and I went I went to a two
Speaker 2: o'clock Imax screening and it was like two thirds full.
Speaker 2: So that was more than I would have expected, not
Speaker 2: because I had any expectations going on about the movie.
Speaker 2: I just you know, at that time of day, it
Speaker 2: was a big crowd for that time of day, is
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, well I guess as long as you said,
Speaker 3: I will say. I was in a neighborhood, not my
Speaker 3: normal neighborhood, a different one, and okay, just do to whatever.
Speaker 3: I had to see it somewhere else. So I was
Speaker 3: looking at theaters in the area, and I intentionally.
Speaker 2: You can admit, you have mob hit men who are
Speaker 2: staking out your name.
Speaker 1: It's been a very tricky month for me.
Speaker 3: No, but I went out of a out of my
Speaker 3: way to catch it in a theater with the most
Speaker 3: amount of people. I like looked and saw in my
Speaker 3: little regal network. I was like, which one has the
Speaker 3: biggest crowd, because I wanted to be around the energy
Speaker 3: and also see what the energy was for this movie.
Speaker 3: So that was my experience there. We go, okay, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so well you know what, here's what I'm
Speaker 2: going to say. Yes, the problem that I have had
Speaker 2: with the Mandalorian serious concept from the beginning almost is
Speaker 2: that it is a costume, not a character. And this
Speaker 2: movie did nothing to dispel that. It really just underscored
Speaker 2: to me that I really don't find this character interesting
Speaker 2: at all. And so it was it was like, so
Speaker 2: I saw somebody online, be like, it felt like four
Speaker 2: episodes of the show, and I don't even think that.
Speaker 2: It felt like video game levels.
Speaker 1: I've seen both what you just said, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, it's like, oh, here's the thing. Now the Mandalorian
Speaker 2: comes in. Poo poo poo. Okay, done, now I'm moving. Oh,
Speaker 2: here's the bad. Here's a Mandalorian. Poop poo poo. And
Speaker 2: then we move on to the next level.
Speaker 3: Here, talk to this vendor. He'll give you some information.
Speaker 3: Then go to the next place.
Speaker 1: Poo poo poo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was so much of that, and
Speaker 2: it's just this guy who's face I can't freaking see.
Speaker 1: Yes, except for five minutes way.
Speaker 2: Too late in the movie. Yeah, and here's the thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about this more. But here's the thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's one thing. This is from the show. It's one thing.
Speaker 2: If the Mandalorians, like every single one of them, are like, no, no, bro,
Speaker 2: you don't take your mask off, right, No, No, it's
Speaker 2: this this sect of like real hardcore cultists right right, right,
Speaker 2: Like they're the weird ones yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right,
Speaker 2: right right. So you think the journey of the character
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, I can still be me without
Speaker 2: all this like cultist stuff. But instead the show kind
Speaker 2: of moved him a little off of that, and then
Speaker 2: they moved him back. I'm like, no, no, we can't
Speaker 2: change that. I'm like, but that's not interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, dude, I didn't know what. I had no
Speaker 1: idea what your opinion.
Speaker 2: Was this honestly, but I'll tell you something. I didn't
Speaker 2: even hate this movie. I really didn't. I did not
Speaker 2: hate it. I was just really apathetic, and and two
Speaker 2: thirds in I was like, I'm kind of done, you know.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't like sitting there hating it because I
Speaker 2: think just as like, just as like colored shit passing
Speaker 2: in front of your face. It's fine, fine, whatever.
Speaker 1: I feel so much. We're comfortable in my chair right now.
Speaker 1: I don't want to stop you. I don't want to
Speaker 1: stop you. I want you to keep there.
Speaker 2: There is a scene about two thirds of the way
Speaker 2: in where we where the Mandalorian is hurt. Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: and here's the thing. You're You're like, well, he's not
Speaker 2: gonna die, and they spend I'm gonna say, like twenty
Speaker 2: five minutes on him just being unconscious, and I was like,
Speaker 2: we get it, guys. Like to me, it's like because
Speaker 2: right after that there's a scene where he's back again
Speaker 2: and then he gets attacked by more monsters, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I want him to get bitten again and
Speaker 2: then have another twenty minutes of him being unconscious. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So honestly, I have so many thoughts, but I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like I'm I'm finally at a place where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't think Disney knows what they're doing, and it's
Speaker 2: now like they're so freaked out. They're like they're like
Speaker 2: Roger Myers.
Speaker 1: Like, you don't know what you want, right, right, right right.
Speaker 2: You don't want this, you don't want that. So they
Speaker 2: landed on something that I'm sure they thought, well, this
Speaker 2: is our safest bet because this is the thing that
Speaker 2: a plurality of fans have liked. Yeah, and so we
Speaker 2: end up with this thing that is well made. Problem
Speaker 2: uh huh. It's well made, it's well directed. Jon Favreau
Speaker 2: knows his way around this type of movie. Yes, I'm
Speaker 2: not interested in the character at all this that's my
Speaker 2: biggest problem. That's my I just can't get into him.
Speaker 2: Just take that effing helmet off. Give me Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, right, I think Pedro Pascal gets top
Speaker 2: billing for I'm going to say five minutes because I
Speaker 2: don't believe that's him in any of the rest of.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's I mean, it isn't. It's a bunch
Speaker 1: of stunt men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, I don't know anyway this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this. I okay, I do want to
Speaker 1: say this.
Speaker 3: Opinions are very very mixed online, and so I do
Speaker 3: want to acknowledge I have seen people enjoy this, and
Speaker 3: I am so happy for you, and I don't that's
Speaker 3: not condescension. I really am, like, I'm really happy that
Speaker 3: people are enjoying this. I think it's something you can
Speaker 3: take your kids to and they're probably gonna like it.
Speaker 3: It's an easy to follow adventure. I can only give
Speaker 3: you my feelings here. So you know you said you
Speaker 3: didn't feel this way, but I did feel like this
Speaker 3: movie felt like three decent enough episodes stitched together.
Speaker 1: And and what I mean.
Speaker 2: By that is.
Speaker 3: It we don't like the framework of that show is
Speaker 3: it is just sort of an episode of the week,
Speaker 3: you know, And so it's like we have our character
Speaker 3: and he wanders into a town and he meets an
Speaker 3: interesting guy or you know person and has to help them,
Speaker 3: and then it ends with our people walking off into
Speaker 3: the sunset again.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what this felt like.
Speaker 3: I mean, Rada is probably the most interesting character in
Speaker 3: the movie, but he's always kind of in the back
Speaker 3: seat because we're following our you know, detective character, right,
Speaker 3: you know, it's always framed around our detective character like
Speaker 3: the show. But this character, to your point, has no personality,
Speaker 3: has no wants, has no needs, doesn't emote, is incapable
Speaker 3: of emoting, and so.
Speaker 2: His voice is this like it's it's just like this monotone.
Speaker 1: Which I don't I think there is a way you
Speaker 1: could make that kind of work too, but like this
Speaker 1: movie doesn't make any attempts at that.
Speaker 3: I mean, now my brain's all over the place because
Speaker 3: I have so much to say. But there are there
Speaker 3: are I would say, there low to basically no stakes
Speaker 3: for our hero right throughout this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Because he's the baddest badass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what does he want? He doesn't need anything.
Speaker 3: He's just helping this guy because he's doing a task,
Speaker 3: and then that Rada kind of disappears for a little bit,
Speaker 3: like in the middle of the movie, and I was
Speaker 3: just like, so, so now we're back with this guy.
Speaker 1: Are what are the stakes? Like? What does he what
Speaker 1: does he need? What's the tension? There is none? Right,
Speaker 1: And then the.
Speaker 3: Action is well shot and I did enjoy it at first,
Speaker 3: but then it started to feel like a little repetitive
Speaker 3: to me. And and like you said, there's no moment
Speaker 3: where you think he's gonna lose a battle.
Speaker 1: So there's that, but you could say that about a
Speaker 1: lot of movies. But then I think, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: he fights a creature in a pit three times in
Speaker 1: this movie three times the same thing. He fights two
Speaker 1: water creatures twice, like in a pit, but they're different.
Speaker 1: Like so it was like, are you even trying?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So, but if this had been diced up into three episodes,
Speaker 3: I might not have clocked it as much.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know what I mean. So this just feels
Speaker 1: just everything about this felt there's some fun to be
Speaker 1: had on the surface, but the whole thing just felt
Speaker 1: very passive. Yeah to me, you know, the story, the
Speaker 1: character like everything. It just there was no immediacy. There
Speaker 1: was no in the first act like well, if we
Speaker 1: don't do this, all this is at stake, you might
Speaker 1: lose Grogu forever, you might die, and what will Grogu have,
Speaker 1: Like there's no the rebellion or the New Republic needs
Speaker 1: this or else. There's none of that.
Speaker 2: And one other thought about the Grogu of it all,
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, stop taking that kid with you like that.
Speaker 1: I had that feeling too when he was putting him
Speaker 1: in the seatbelt. I was like, maybe don't bring a
Speaker 1: kid into a battle. That's like you're irresponsible, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I know, but I will say, you know if
Speaker 3: I there were moments that I thought were fun, Like
Speaker 3: the opening I thought was very fun, Like, yeah, we
Speaker 3: begin on washers and stuff, and we get everything that
Speaker 3: I enjoy about Mandalorian and grog in that right. We
Speaker 3: get the Star Wars of it, we get the ad
Speaker 3: at walkers, we get stormtroopers, get like detonators, and we
Speaker 3: get the cuteness. We get how awesome and badass uh
Speaker 3: you know Mandalorian is. And then we get the cuteness
Speaker 3: of Grogu where he notices the little bombs, and it
Speaker 3: seems like Mandalorian isn't like aware of them, so Grog
Speaker 3: is like like tapping us tell me, like h Like
Speaker 3: I was like, this is okay, this is fun. But
Speaker 3: then after that, you know, when the story kicks in,
Speaker 3: is just just the most you know, stakeless sort of
Speaker 3: just hitting some beats, and it just felt yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know, just like some okay episodes, ideas stitched together,
Speaker 3: and then they were like, let's put in theaters.
Speaker 2: Yeah it, you know, I mean they they kaibashed a
Speaker 2: fourth season of The Mandalorian in favor of this movie.
Speaker 3: That's what it feels like, that they took maybe their
Speaker 3: favorite ideas from those and smushed them together awkwardly into
Speaker 3: a feature film.
Speaker 2: And it's very odd because it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like his his co pilot, his buddy that's Zeb from Rebels.
Speaker 2: Do you know his name from watching the movie? No?
Speaker 3: Like I recognize it, Like I know he's a character
Speaker 3: that I'm sure a certain group of fandom will love,
Speaker 3: but I don't really know who he is.
Speaker 2: See that's a problem, right, Like what what is what
Speaker 2: is his relationship with Mando? What? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like and does he have any sort of characteristics other
Speaker 3: than he just flies sometimes exactly. You know, there's he's
Speaker 3: never put in peril or you know, has feelings about
Speaker 3: anything like that.
Speaker 2: That's the that stuff. It's this is It's frustrating because
Speaker 2: because to me, this movie leans into just people's general
Speaker 2: familiarity with either broadly Star Wars or you know, these
Speaker 2: specific things in a way that works to the detriment
Speaker 2: of the story. MM because they're like, oh, we've built
Speaker 2: we made a story that will work even if you
Speaker 2: haven't seen this series, And I'm like, I don't believe
Speaker 2: you that. I don't. I don't. I think the only
Speaker 2: thing that would that would have you emotionally invested in
Speaker 2: in this is if you if you've seen you know,
Speaker 2: at least the first couple of seasons of the show.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and also feel like it didn't
Speaker 1: have to be that way. Yeah, I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that you.
Speaker 3: Didn't generate any new stakes or things for them to
Speaker 3: you know, realize about one another or learned about themselves. Like,
Speaker 3: so this doesn't stand on its own in that way
Speaker 3: unless you don't care about that and you just want
Speaker 3: to see stuff happen for like two hours and maybe
Speaker 3: maybe you know, and and sometimes I can enjoy that
Speaker 3: sort of thing, but I just.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I said this before on a previous episode,
Speaker 2: but the fact that the second season and with with
Speaker 2: Mandalorian and grow Goop except rated. It's a great emotional moment,
Speaker 2: and then they decide to reunite them, not even in
Speaker 2: season three of the show, but in between in the
Speaker 2: Boba Fett show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is proof you guys don't know what
Speaker 2: you're doing, because there's your story for the movie.
Speaker 1: Yo, totally, and that would have so much more emotion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, oh you know Grog who's been
Speaker 2: kidnapped from the Jedi school or something, and then Mandalorian
Speaker 2: has to rescued whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, that would have been a
Speaker 1: good movie.
Speaker 2: There's it's very odd, you know. Well Ayead, sorry, Well
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say so. I took my older
Speaker 2: two so nineteen and seventeen, and my nineteen year old
Speaker 2: was like nah, and and my seventeen year old didn't
Speaker 2: like it at all. Yeah, and you know these are
Speaker 2: my I mean, gosh, I've been watching Star Wars movies
Speaker 2: with them since you know, Force awakens, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 2: going on that journey. But my, my, my, you know,
Speaker 2: my twelve year old he's like, oh, I want to
Speaker 2: go see it. So I do want to take him
Speaker 2: mm hmm, because I'd like to see what he thinks
Speaker 2: of it, totally, because I think that's important too. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: it's gonna mean different things based on the age that
Speaker 2: you're at, but certainly, yeah, for me, I was admittedly
Speaker 2: I did not have my coffee yesterday before going, so
Speaker 2: I did feel my eyes getting heavy.
Speaker 1: Zachy, so did I.
Speaker 3: Actually there was a moment where I closed my eyes
Speaker 3: because I was getting so tired, and I actually even
Speaker 3: thought I wouldn't I won't miss what's happening. I did
Speaker 3: think that, and then I thought, no, if I've got
Speaker 3: to talk about this, like I owe it to people
Speaker 3: who are actually giving their time to.
Speaker 2: I should watch Rad of the Hut flexing.
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, what an interesting idea.
Speaker 2: He was most interesting character in the movie in my.
Speaker 1: Opinion, completely agree like, but he feels like that sort
Speaker 1: of middle to backgrounded character in a law and Order
Speaker 1: episode where you're really just sticking in the perspective of
Speaker 1: the cop, you know, what I mean in every single
Speaker 1: episode and he just meets an interesting guy, but it's
Speaker 1: really more about the cop, you know, trying to get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of everything.
Speaker 3: But I was like, the whole idea. I mean, I
Speaker 3: feel like you could even take this story that they
Speaker 3: had and re you know, redo it a little bit
Speaker 3: to make it a more rounded out feeling movie.
Speaker 2: Event.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jaba the huts Son doesn't want to be seen,
Speaker 3: you know, like or thought of the way that people
Speaker 3: think of his father, So he wants to become his
Speaker 3: own person and he's going to do this thing, but
Speaker 3: he's mixed up in something that isn't is you know,
Speaker 3: more dangerous than he realizes, and that's interesting, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's all kind of, I don't know, felt slightly
Speaker 3: in the background or something, versus being what it was
Speaker 3: actually the movie is actually about. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: that's not exactly true, but somehow the way that it
Speaker 3: was all framed and following this protagonist, like we were saying,
Speaker 3: who has no face and does an emote and doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to have any skin in this game really except
Speaker 3: for making some bucks. Like it's just hard to get
Speaker 3: invested in all of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the movie alludes to a little bit where
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't work for gangsters anymore. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: working with the New Republic. Mm hmm. Okay, well let's
Speaker 2: get into that a little bit totally right, Like again,
Speaker 2: just fundamentally, to me, all of this can be solved
Speaker 2: by not making him, you know, locked under that helmet.
Speaker 2: H I don't think there's any reason that he Again,
Speaker 2: to me, this is just like the difference between watching
Speaker 2: a show and a movie, because I didn't even like
Speaker 2: it in the show when he always had the helmet on.
Speaker 2: In a movie, they should we should have been way
Speaker 2: past that. We should be watching Pedro Pascal. He's got
Speaker 2: an interesting face. He's got an emotive face, right, remember
Speaker 2: and he says goodbye to Grogu in the second season.
Speaker 1: I do, yeah, I can picture that right now, you know,
Speaker 1: let us see his.
Speaker 3: Face, yeah, or even you know, I if you do
Speaker 3: want to keep that conceit. And I can understand that
Speaker 3: some people might be yelling back at us, like but
Speaker 3: that's the Mandalorian way, and like.
Speaker 2: It's a dumb way.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll actually say, I get it, but you've got
Speaker 1: to find interesting ways to play with it.
Speaker 2: You know, like do like they should do like RDJ
Speaker 2: iron Man right, Like.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting, I was gonna say, or even it
Speaker 3: makes me think of in season one where they make
Speaker 3: such a big deal and we understand that Mandalorians don't
Speaker 3: take their helmets off, but he is willing to disgrace
Speaker 3: himself right by taking his helmet off because that's what
Speaker 3: he has to do.
Speaker 2: It's like him.
Speaker 3: Denying his religion or something, right, but he's willing to
Speaker 3: do that in order to get Grogu back. And that's
Speaker 3: the moment I remember, out of all the seasons, I
Speaker 3: thought that was so powerful and heartfelt and amazing, And
Speaker 3: after spending all these episodes with his stoic character, seeing
Speaker 3: him willing to do that to himself because he's so
Speaker 3: passionate about this kid where it seemed unlikely that he
Speaker 3: would have this relationship with this little kid.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing in this movie that even approaches that
Speaker 3: level of emotion. And I was like, well, that's a problem.
Speaker 3: I mean, a movie's got to be something that's worth
Speaker 3: leaving your house for. It's like this couldn't be contained
Speaker 3: on a streaming service. You need to leave your house
Speaker 3: and pay twenty dollars to go see this. That's how
Speaker 3: big this story is. That's how much bigger this story is.
Speaker 3: And this didn't even come close to being that. And
Speaker 3: it's funny because I know we're being kind of hard
Speaker 3: on it, and we're like raising our voices and stuff,
Speaker 3: and I think that's because we care so much, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And it's really hard to feel
Speaker 3: let down by something that I went in with kind
Speaker 3: of low expectations, admittedly, but it made me so disappointed
Speaker 3: that they didn't even like meet those expectations. Like I
Speaker 3: just felt so let down by this, and it makes
Speaker 3: me sad, you know. And and it's not even I
Speaker 3: think you said at the beginning, it's not even necessarily
Speaker 3: a bad movie. It's just really underwhelming and not at
Speaker 3: all what it should have been if this is gonna
Speaker 3: be their big Hey we're back in theaters.
Speaker 2: I mean, it isn't that just it's it really does
Speaker 2: feel like a placeholder, which if you're not like under
Speaker 2: the gun legally to get something out like this is
Speaker 2: you know, it's like we were talking about Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings, you know, a couple of years ago they
Speaker 2: put out that animated movie, Yes War of the will
Speaker 2: hear him and that was freaking rough man. But that
Speaker 2: was like what I described that movie as when I
Speaker 2: reviewed it. I was I was like, it's like running
Speaker 2: on a treadmill for two hours, Like you got your
Speaker 2: steps in, but you haven't gotten anywhere. Mm hmm. A
Speaker 2: little similar vibe here.
Speaker 1: Right, definitely, yeah, where.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you know, we've been through all this,
Speaker 2: and it's certainly been loud, and there's certainly been a
Speaker 2: lot of explosions and things. But but I, you know,
Speaker 2: I I don't feel like like there's been any progression
Speaker 2: in the universe. And by the way, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I need like death star level stakes
Speaker 2: in I would know I would say, I would say
Speaker 2: not that, please, right, But I want I want emotional progression. Yes,
Speaker 2: I want my guy to be at a different place
Speaker 2: at the end than he is at the beginning.
Speaker 3: And I don't get that sense at all. Completely agree that.
Speaker 3: I think that is the major problem with this movie.
Speaker 2: Just what you said, so pressure is on for a starfighter.
Speaker 2: I guess that's what this all means.
Speaker 3: But you know, I just get the feeling that that's
Speaker 3: going to be a little bit more in the arena
Speaker 3: that we expect.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm not gonna have any expectations because
Speaker 2: that's what gets into trouble.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I just I'm just wondering why they felt
Speaker 1: the need to do this.
Speaker 2: I think it really comes down to them, well this
Speaker 2: is the safest bet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but why if they have one coming out next year? Like,
Speaker 3: why even do this this? This feels like they had
Speaker 3: like a shareholder's call and they had to be like,
Speaker 3: we've got a Star Wars movie coming or something.
Speaker 2: You got you got to like some guys sitting at
Speaker 2: the head of the table with a stogy. Well everybody,
Speaker 2: I mean like this Mandalorian, Yeah, yeah, this melowtonin man
Speaker 2: right right, right right, just give the give the kids,
Speaker 2: give those rubes some more.
Speaker 1: Of that, you know, right? Well yeah, no, please.
Speaker 2: No, I think that it It frustrates me because because,
Speaker 2: as I said, I think it is a well directed
Speaker 2: film in that all the action sequences and things are
Speaker 2: well staged. I mean, Fabro is just very good at this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so that's why I'm just like, I'm like picking apart, well,
Speaker 2: like where did this go wrong at a conceptual level?
Speaker 2: Did it go wrong at a at an execution level.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know either, I mean I do.
Speaker 3: I want to note some of the things that I
Speaker 3: did enjoy though.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I'll say before before, uh, the Mandalorian
Speaker 2: theme is a freaking banger.
Speaker 1: Man. Oh it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, And so we have our little opening action sequence,
Speaker 2: which is cool as we described, and then we hear
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, here we go. I was excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, And I mean it is just a great piece
Speaker 2: of Star Wars music, that's all.
Speaker 1: No, I agree.
Speaker 3: I think it's iconic, honestly, Like you hear it, it's distinctive.
Speaker 3: You immediately it captures the vibe so well, it's great.
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, I hope, I hope Ridley Scott
Speaker 2: gets a royalty check every time somebody pays homage to
Speaker 2: Blade Runner.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, dude, I literally, okay, but.
Speaker 2: That is and I liked that sequence just to because
Speaker 2: I'm not making fun of it. I think it's very
Speaker 2: well executed. I'm like, man, it's like so clearly a
Speaker 2: Blade Runner homage. One.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, yes, you just said everything I was feeling,
Speaker 3: which is when it happened. I was, you know, a
Speaker 3: big complaint we bring up a lot, especially with some
Speaker 3: of these Star Wars shows and other streaming shows, is
Speaker 3: just depending leaning too hard on the volume, so it
Speaker 3: never feels like anybody's actually anywhere, you know, And I
Speaker 3: think I was hoping that wouldn't be the case with
Speaker 3: this movie. And I thought this movie did a very
Speaker 3: good job of creating at least what felt in most
Speaker 3: cases like real environments that they were walking through, and
Speaker 3: that sort of Blade Runner city scape in particular, I
Speaker 3: thought felt like a real, big, expansive location. And I
Speaker 3: did immediately clock like, oh, this he literally stepped into
Speaker 3: the set of Blade Runner.
Speaker 1: But this is.
Speaker 3: Great, Like this feels like a real place. This feels like,
Speaker 3: you know, his real splashes from puddles on the ground.
Speaker 3: And I really loved all that and all the Neon billboards.
Speaker 1: And things like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, anyway, that was one of my my things
Speaker 3: that I did like a lot.
Speaker 2: I also like that that Martin Scorsese is it's just
Speaker 2: here and and you know, for all of his like cinema,
Speaker 2: it's like he's just he just plays a weird monkey guy.
Speaker 2: On Star Wars.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that the cinema thing.
Speaker 3: But he's he's playing the same species that John Favreau
Speaker 3: played in right, Yeah, that's right, Yeah, he's he's funny.
Speaker 3: It's this sort of nervous little informant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very very Scorsese.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think the thing this movie does best is
Speaker 3: its action sequences, as repetitive unfortunately as they get, it
Speaker 3: is cool like seeing him in that opening sequence when
Speaker 3: the camera goes through the little into the through a
Speaker 3: corridor into the base of an at at and then
Speaker 3: Mando enters, takes out all the guys and then follows
Speaker 3: him back into the piloting area.
Speaker 1: I was like, that was very cool. That's very well done.
Speaker 1: And he uses his blaster, he uses his little rope thing,
Speaker 1: he uses his flamethrower. He like, I thought that stuff
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. And what it also does
Speaker 1: really well is the adorable puppets, right, like I mean
Speaker 1: the Babu Frick characters.
Speaker 2: Although I gotta say a little goes a long way
Speaker 2: with with with the Babu Frick people whatever they're called.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm understand that, but I think for me,
Speaker 3: they were making me light up anytime they appeared, just
Speaker 3: because it was like bringing me out of just sort
Speaker 3: of saminess.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 1: And like when they just actually never got a lot of.
Speaker 2: Puppets in general though, yeah, I mean not just them, but.
Speaker 3: And they're they're clumsy looking, and I was like, that's
Speaker 3: kind of fun, Like I agree with that. And when
Speaker 3: they're just there's this static shot I think they're walking
Speaker 3: through a pipe and one of them is.
Speaker 1: Like big pipe. That's probably the hardest I laughed in
Speaker 1: the movie, I think.
Speaker 2: To your point about about like the action scenes or
Speaker 2: like when we see Mandalorian just like beating the living
Speaker 2: shit out of it of people in a room, right,
Speaker 2: and you watch it, you're like, guy is such a badass, right,
Speaker 2: But to me, like this is this is the dilemma, right, Like,
Speaker 2: like I'll give you an example. Just last week or
Speaker 2: two weeks ago on Disney Plus, they dropped a Punisher special,
Speaker 2: yes with John Brenthal, and there there is something comparable.
Speaker 2: Did you watch that by any chance? No? So there's
Speaker 2: a sequence in that special it's like forty five minute things.
Speaker 2: So basically this this this mob wife who the Punisher
Speaker 2: killed her whole family. She basically finds out where the
Speaker 2: punisher is. He's in like this apartment complex, and she
Speaker 2: puts up she sends out his location and puts a
Speaker 2: bounty on his head. Right, So it's like whatever, fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes of just people coming at him like video game characters,
Speaker 2: and he's just you know, they got they're advancing on
Speaker 2: him with axes and lead pipes and baseball bats and aks,
Speaker 2: and he's just I mean, it's like the raid, you know, yeah, ok, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and you're like, man, what a badass? Right? But what
Speaker 2: the Special does that I think is necessary is it
Speaker 2: frames this sequence with I mean, it basically bookends it
Speaker 2: with his angst over all the killing he's done and
Speaker 2: how he misses his family and he's contemplating ending his life,
Speaker 2: and they're sort of an emotional framework, right, And I
Speaker 2: have and I've noted this in my view, I have
Speaker 2: qualms with how well those two elements merge together. But
Speaker 2: I understand the instinct because it's boring if you just
Speaker 2: have an an unbeatable badass just mowing through people, right,
Speaker 2: And so I was thinking about that while I was
Speaker 2: watching The Mandalorian. You know, light people on fire and
Speaker 2: then you know, do this, and I mean, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, because it's just it's it's like we
Speaker 2: see that and then we see a version of that
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes later, and then another version of that ten
Speaker 2: minutes later, and you know, yeah, yeah, there there is
Speaker 2: there's no pattern interruption, and that's that's a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't there's no mistakes. I keep saying it,
Speaker 1: but you know.
Speaker 3: And we don't. His goal doesn't feel dire, that's right,
Speaker 3: you know. And what's what does he need? You know,
Speaker 3: what does he want? Like, there's none of it. So
Speaker 3: it's just an excer It's like a video game. I think,
Speaker 3: like you said, you know, it's just going through the
Speaker 3: levels and mashing buttons and yeah, you know, I will say,
Speaker 3: you know, it's funny. By the way, as you were talking,
Speaker 3: it made me think.
Speaker 1: There's a moment.
Speaker 3: I won't spoil exactly what it is because we haven't
Speaker 3: gotten spoilers. I don't know that we need to. I've
Speaker 3: seen a lot of people joking online like I don't
Speaker 3: know how to spoil this movie.
Speaker 1: There are no spoilers.
Speaker 3: But the Jeb character, there's a moment where he's in
Speaker 3: a speeder. Yeah, with Mandalorian and.
Speaker 2: Like and it's zeb goddamn it. But somewhere first letter, well,
Speaker 2: there you.
Speaker 3: Go, apologies, zeb Uh, And something's happening is kind of funny,
Speaker 3: right and uh like right, Grogu's in a vehicle ahead
Speaker 3: of them and trying to help them, so anyway, but
Speaker 3: but zeb is just kind of commenting on what's happening,
Speaker 3: and it made me realize he has as much depth
Speaker 3: as a character and a theme park ride. Who's helping
Speaker 3: you through the rock? What looks like you missed us? Hey,
Speaker 3: I hope we can get We better get on that ship.
Speaker 3: Like that's about as deep as that character is.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's hilarious. That's really funny.
Speaker 3: You know what else I did kind of appreciate on
Speaker 3: just a you know, my new show of the movie.
Speaker 3: Some of the vehicles, the way that they move. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're actually stop motion, but they are
Speaker 3: at least animated to look like they are stop motion.
Speaker 3: There's a jitteriness to them, like a two nine looking
Speaker 3: kind of thing.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's cool. I gotta imagine that's Favreau.
Speaker 2: You're talking about, Like the intro sequence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those like little chicken Walker things, and I feel
Speaker 3: like there was a creature somewhere later also not the
Speaker 3: ones in the arena, but some other creature that moved
Speaker 3: a little jittery, like a stop motion thing, and I
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of the tactility from you know, the
Speaker 3: earlier films.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think this movie sort of hints
Speaker 2: at more broadly what's going on in the galaxy post
Speaker 2: return of the Jedi. And I think I would have liked,
Speaker 2: you know, of the Mandalorian being used as an on
Speaker 2: ramp into giving the audience a better sense of sort
Speaker 2: of the lay of things totally.
Speaker 1: That is a really fascinating moment, yeah, in this Star
Speaker 1: Wars history, and I would like exactly to dig into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because because I'm kind of like, well, there's this
Speaker 2: thirty year window between Jedi and the Force Awakens, so
Speaker 2: we know things are gonna head down a bad path again.
Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm I'm I'm not maybe this isn't
Speaker 2: the vehicle to do that, but I am like, you know,
Speaker 2: we can sort of use this canvas as a way
Speaker 2: to hint at some of the political strife or whatever
Speaker 2: in a in a in a in a in a
Speaker 2: more fleshed out sense, because what we see here isn't
Speaker 2: all that different from what we've gotten in the show.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because the folks making it, making Star
Speaker 2: Wars right now don't really know how to get from
Speaker 2: Jedi to Force Awakens.
Speaker 1: There's also that or hasn't been decided yet. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they want to, they don't know.
Speaker 2: Yet, they don't know yet what what that roadmap is yep, yep,
Speaker 2: which I would say might have been something to figure
Speaker 2: out eleven years ago or so. But that's just me. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm just talking. That's just crazy talk for me. What
Speaker 2: do I know. I'm just a guy on a microphone. Yeah, anyway, speak.
Speaker 1: To me of Filony.
Speaker 3: We see him in the movie he gets I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say a couple of cameos.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say. Okay, So first of all, I said,
Speaker 2: I like Dave Filoni. I think his creative instincts are
Speaker 2: good overall, and I'm excited to see what he does
Speaker 2: with Star Wars. I would say in this movie, one
Speaker 2: cameo would have been fine, not a deal breaker for
Speaker 2: me at all, right, big picture, but I am like
Speaker 2: once is fine. Two seems indulgent to me, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2: I would say, either you wear the cowboy hat or
Speaker 2: you wear the x Wing helmet. You can't do both.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of funny. I mean it obviously stands out.
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah. Oh, and I didn't mind this
Speaker 2: according to me, right, I thought she was fine, she.
Speaker 1: Fits right in. I wish she had had more to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, and I gotta say I was.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind seeing her as like a bureaucrat or
Speaker 2: an x Wing pilot, which that just tells you. That
Speaker 2: tells you, Sigourney Weaver, that's just how she is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 3: And when I saw that Jeremy Allen White was going
Speaker 3: to play a Hut, yes, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, what is that like? And I should I
Speaker 1: thought he did a really good job.
Speaker 2: He was good.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed him, kind of like tortured Jock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he brought surprising pathos to that performance.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 2: So now is he speaking English or whatever you know,
Speaker 2: the interlact whatever the language they speak in Star Wars,
Speaker 2: or is he speaking Hut and we're just hearing English?
Speaker 2: Or like why am I asking?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, I mean We just talked about this, didn't we
Speaker 3: about John McTiernan and how it's kind of funny that
Speaker 3: he has multiple movies. Yeah, where they do that transition
Speaker 3: from one language into English for English speaking audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I sent you the clip from Thirteenth Warrior, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, which is pretty cool. It's amazing because it's not
Speaker 3: just like a quick transition. You're watching someone slowly learn
Speaker 3: English over time and seeing the English words start to
Speaker 3: trickle in amongst the language he doesn't understand, and it
Speaker 3: was it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Really well done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in this one it does nothing like that,
Speaker 1: just to be no, no, Well, it's funny because you
Speaker 1: see the hut twins, yes, and they're speaking Hutties, that's right,
Speaker 1: and then he one of them just starts speaking English,
Speaker 1: and so that's what I thought. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: are they doing that McTiernan sort of transition, But then
Speaker 1: they I don't. I don't know, I don't know, unclear, unclear.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care.
Speaker 3: At the end of I saw some people upset about
Speaker 3: it online. I was like, I, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I guess I don't really care.
Speaker 2: But well, yola wonga, Oh he says that in the movie,
Speaker 2: I know made me happy, made me know that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, well hey there we go the Mandalorian and
Speaker 2: grogu All right, well you.
Speaker 3: Want to know something bringing a miss, swinging a miss,
Speaker 3: swinging a miss, And I'll give like a little Brian
Speaker 3: personal anecdote here. I have to watch this movie three
Speaker 3: times in one weekend.
Speaker 2: I asked you, I said before no, And I so
Speaker 2: I had already watched this because I spoke to you
Speaker 2: on the phone and you were like, yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going in a little bit, and then I'm going tomorrow
Speaker 2: with so and so. And I went on Sunday with
Speaker 2: so and so, and I was like, oh, so you
Speaker 2: sure you want to see these three times?
Speaker 3: No, I and thank you, thank you. You've always looked
Speaker 3: out for my personal wellbeing.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just you know, our schedule has been
Speaker 1: very difficult in the past couple of months, just with
Speaker 1: work and life and whatever, and we're getting back to
Speaker 1: something a little bit more scheduled, and I was happy
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: And so I thought, oh, there's an opportunity to see
Speaker 3: it this night. We can put this out in a
Speaker 3: timely way so people can watch the movie this weekend
Speaker 3: and listen to us right away, and I was excited
Speaker 3: about that. And now there are two of people who
Speaker 3: I very much want to see this movie with, but
Speaker 3: we couldn't all do it together.
Speaker 1: And it has worked out that I'm going to be
Speaker 1: seeing this movie three times now.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: I am a little curious how it's going to play,
Speaker 1: if I will.
Speaker 2: Like modulating expectations going into.
Speaker 3: Viewing two exactly that I'm looking forward to nothing as
Speaker 3: tired tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I think have my coffee beforehand. There's the takeaway.
Speaker 3: Definitely, And I am wondering, yes, if I will get
Speaker 3: on his wavelength a little more. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: going to change how I feel about it's lack of
Speaker 3: you know, emotions and stakes and all that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But maybe I can.
Speaker 3: Just enjoy it as a you know, two hours super
Speaker 3: cut of a season of TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll check back, but I just I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I can't believe.
Speaker 2: I got four more hours of this in my future. Well, hey,
Speaker 2: in our next regular show, we'll be talking about a
Speaker 2: master's in the universe.
Speaker 3: So I am so excited and I don't want to
Speaker 3: get my hopes up. It seems like early reactions are
Speaker 3: pretty positive, so that makes me happy.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'm I'm I haven't even looked at what
Speaker 2: people are saying, so at this point you.
Speaker 1: Know, well then I don't want to spoil it.
Speaker 2: You don't wanna, you don't wanna tarnish my perceptions.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm not. I was gonna say a little.
Speaker 1: I won't say anything. Well, we'll go in and we'll
Speaker 1: have our opinions.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping we have a good discussion if nothing else, definitely.
Speaker 2: But hey, if you've seen the Mandalorian and Grogu, email
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