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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to That's Not Metal. We are

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your weekly rock and heavy music podcast. I am just

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about trying to calm down from the news that broke

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literal minutes ago about one of my favorite bands in

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the world reuniting. So we'll get to that in a

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little bit. But there is a lot that I'm very

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excited about in this episode. We are here for a

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fairly big episode in terms of it being the final

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big reviews bag of this calendar year twenty twenty five.

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We have got our last albums that have come out

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from the month of November and certain surrounding to bring

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you and discuss before December arrives. But has said there

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is a lot in those reviews outside of them, I

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am itching to get into some of this stuff, so

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we're gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: My name is Paren.

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Speaker 1: Haysh with me, Elliot Paisley and Sam Dignon. How are

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we all doing? Are you as giddy as I am?

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Probably not, but good going at least.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, Like the moment you dropped that message in

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the discord and I was like, yo, what Yes? That

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got me hyped.

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Speaker 4: I had to just throw on a song on the

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edge just to be excited before. But yeah, I'm good,

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you know, guiding the missed Damnation. That sounded like it

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was a good time going off your review last week.

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I had a nice some listening to that. But I've

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been getting busy going to hardcore shows and stuff, so

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all good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like I mean, normally this time of

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year is it's quieter. It's been weirdly busy in rock

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music recently. It feels like every day there's been a

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really exciting piece of news, which kind of makes for

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a change. Normally around this time it's you know, it

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feels like the years wrapping up.

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Speaker 1: Dam Will you say you're going to a show? Did

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you see?

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Speaker 2: How was it?

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Speaker 1: Gorilla biscuits and Terror? Is that what I gathered?

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Speaker 2: You saw?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Gorilla biscuits, Terror, no pressure at the Electric Ballroom the

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other night, which venue of a barrier?

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Speaker 3: Turns out, the barrier is more of a concept if

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you want.

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Speaker 4: To believe it that way, and not a barrier because

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Tera just decided and for some reason security will call

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of it. People could just clouds over the barrier, get

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on stage, and then just yeat themselves over the barrier

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onto the crowd, like some of the like the longest

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or distance covering stage divers I've seen in a while.

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Speaker 3: It was crazy.

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Speaker 4: And Gorilla Biscuits like legendary hardcore band, like such a

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great band. Water Strifles is just one of the coolest guys.

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Like cool to finally see them just play, you know

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that one album's worth of like absolutely timeless hardcore punk

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material and a few of the you know the other

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bits of like various EPs and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Had a great time watching that was really cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are, we're recording here a day later. That's

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why we are currently a day late, which it turns

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out I'm quite glad for because of some of the

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news that we've then been able to include. But reason being,

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I was at quite i would say, quite an important

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gig last night in that I was seeing for what

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I presume will be my last time Svalbard. Apparently I've

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seen them nine times, which is annoying because it's one.

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I want to see them one more time, just to

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get it up to ten. I don't know if that

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will happen, but I was treating this like it will

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be my last time seeing them, of course on their

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farewell run, and it was quite a you know, reflective evening,

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because when you've been seeing a band for nearly ten years,

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it brings up a lot of memories about kind of,

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you know, what's gone on in that time in those

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different occasions. The first time I saw Svalbard was at

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twenty sixteen's Damnation when they were on at the same

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time as ep Era Conjurer, and it was a bit

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of a thing of like, oh, these two bands who

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were on the same label at the time, on at

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the same slot, and I seem to remember the Employer

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Serve guys who were also playing and also on that label,

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going back and forth and like half and halving the

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set and stuff, and I was just thinking about how

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far all of those bands have come, right, you know,

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they were all upstarts at that point in time. Sparbard

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were on the bill at one of my personal favorite

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shows of all time when they supported Oathbreaker on the

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rail tour. I saw him at the Starring Garta in

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Manchester and here they were playing to you know, a

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larger headline crowd than Oathbreaker did back then. It was

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you know, like a few hundred cat venue, but it

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was pretty close to being sold out, and that was

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you know, kind of bittersweet in a way when you

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see a band, you know, playing to the largest headline

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crowd that you've ever seen them play, but it's while

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they're on their way out. But also you'd rather that

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than not, you know, because you want them to be

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able to go out on a high. And I chose

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to kind of look at it as testament to, you know,

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what Svalbard have built over the ten years or so,

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because following a band in real time when they were

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going through the set, it was one of those like

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I was thinking about where in my life I was

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for each one of these songs as they were arriving

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where they open with disparity from one day All This

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Will End, which is the record that I discovered them on,

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and having revisited them all this week, it is ultimately

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my favorite, as I loved them being this kind of

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post rock inspired answer to tragedy with that like arena

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crust sound and for all the bigger things they went

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on to do. I love that that song pretty much

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always stayed there as their opener, but then straight into

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second Open Wound, which five years after that. That was

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around the time that like Era two of T and

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M If You Like was winding down and I was

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gearing up to start again and go again. And several

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years ago I saw them in this same venue. I

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saw them last night supporting Ohmes and Omes have gone,

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you know, a few years ago now, but Svalbard packing

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it out as they're on their way out, and they

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had two bands, Knife Bride and Cage Fight supporting them,

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Cage Fight having one of the guitarists in a chair

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because he dislocated his.

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Speaker 2: Knee in the pit the previous nights. He was still

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giving it a good go. Bless him.

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Speaker 1: But that show years ago with Ohmes was so much

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less populated than this one, where I imagine Svalbard and

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Omes at night probably played to less people than the

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opening band did at this one. And that's some progress,

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you know, And that's some achievement there. And I'm not

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attached to either of these these opening bands in that

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same way as of yet, but in some way it

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was affirming thinking about the changing of the guard like that.

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to do and who they might bring along with them

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in their wake. And Svalbard's part in that chain accumulating

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over the is that many people coming to wish them

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well a bloody good one.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: They released a final song this week which they played

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as a kind of a cap on it all, but

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then go all the way back through to the encore that.

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single day necessarily, but they ended on if anyone has

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like the early EP's discography compilation record super super Oldie

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from that, and that felt right, you know, and they

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seem to be having genuinely loads of fun talking about

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you know, we're ending this while we're all still friends

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and feeling celebratory. They have been the you know, kind

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of epic crossband in the UK for the past ten

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years and then more on top of that, and after

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you know, seeing them play that set and kind of

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go on their way out, then best of luck to

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whoever comes next in that and I mean that very sincerely,

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really nice seeing Starbard for a final time. We have

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got on our reviews gauntlet for today's episode the new

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albums from Creeper, Pupil, Slicer, Drain, Astronoid, Home Front, Lamp

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of Murmur, and Master's Hammer. But we have some exciting

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news to prelude to all of that, and as we

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might as well start talking about new music. First of all,

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the first one, the exciting one for us, of course,

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is New Converge, who returned this week with their first

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single from their upcoming album. It's called Love Is Not Enough,

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which is the title track of that album. It is

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their first album. Dependent on what you count as an

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official Converse studio album or not, it's either their first

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album since the Blood Moon album in twenty twenty one,

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or the first you know, only dedicated Converged album since

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The Duskiness in twenty seventeen. And we have been I mean,

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if you were to count it in those terms, that's

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the longest gap between Converged records by a mile. And

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considering how strong that record is, as all of them are,

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I'm sure I don't just speak for myself when I

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say how itching we have been for like some years

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now to hear New Converge material, and so to have

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a new album announced which is coming out on February

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the thirteenth of twenty twenty six, and a first track

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on it, which is the opening track on the album,

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and it is about two and a half minutes long.

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There's something about that itching for you. Converge material and

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you know the heights and the lengths they're capable of.

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you go, oh, it's like two and a half minutes

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are the same thing happened with I can tell you

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about pain from as a first track from the duskin Us,

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but just be like, oh do you converge? Oh fuck,

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it's already over. But there is a lot of course

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in those two and a bit minutes to really sink

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Speaker 2: Has it been a.

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Speaker 1: Lovely exciting experience for you all week getting two and

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a half minutes of you converge to sit your teeth into.

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Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, Ah, I've just been giddy at this, Like

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I adore blood Moan. I think blood Meat is like

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a wonderful talk, creative endevor for them. But convers come

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back with, you know, just two and a half minutes

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of them at their most ferocious. There's a drum fell

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early on in the record. I was like, the guy

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that's it, Yeah, yeah, that's the guy right there. The

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best drama.

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Speaker 3: The riffs are absolutely savage. Jacob is like as feral

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as ever.

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Speaker 4: It just it's what I want from like fast scrappy,

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ferocious Converge and it's just like, yep, I've got that

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rovers album.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to see where they could like.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there will be more adventurous passages across the

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whole record, but just as the first taste, this was

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exactly what I want from just the greatest band, going

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like more of this, more of whatever you got served up.

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nature that I'm like, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme.

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Speaker 5: Now, I've been on the mightiest Converged kick or we

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just I didn't know this was coming, but within like

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forty eight hours before this came out, I listened to

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about five Converge records and I was going like, this

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is the best band ever. I just have to go

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on Spotify and saw that this new song was out.

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It's it's hard to judge Converge songs in isolation. They're

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always better in the record, but this one is such

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a raser. Knowing it's the first track and quite different

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for the you know, the last few albums. It converts

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proper albums. They open kind of similarly a single tear

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dark Horse and Aimless Arrow they're kind of this really melodic,

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soaring kind of songs and then this one's so low

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and mean. And Jacob Bannon in the press has been

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saying that it's the first time they've agreed on a

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track list and this is track one, and he said

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they deliberately sequenced it so it gets more intense with

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each song. So just so you know, this is the

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least intense, least asset song on this Converge album. And

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are out and it's going to be their shortest album

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so yet. We have waited nine years for a new

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Converge album and it's about thirty one minutes long. It's

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because they have like the best producer in their field

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of music playing guitar in their band. But there's a

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certain kind of clarity about this production job that's maybe,

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like you could say, maybe a little bit cleaner than

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what is usual by about five ten percent maybe, but

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the riffs are still so crazy. And then I read

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a quote from Jake talking about this album or this

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song and he says, I think that realism is missing

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from a lot of modern music of any genre, but

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especially our genre. Things either go super raw and almost

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chaotic to the point where it's distracting, or bands take

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the life out of what they're doing by editing every aspect.

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And this is kind of you can hear that in this,

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you know, it's like it's an exact middle ground, like

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it is like it's not chaotic or you know, kind

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of shrouding itself unnecessarily. It's all like perfectly clear, but

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it's also real and exactly as at it as you'd

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want Converted to be. So of course mege excited about

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new Converged album coming on February the thirteenth of twenty

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twenty six. We also got a second surprise EP drop, well,

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I suppose the first surprise EP drop, but it's the

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second EP from Nowhere to Run, which you may remember

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is Jamie Morgan and Shade from Code Orange's current electronic thing.

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The other EP which the announce dropp a few weeks ago.

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And I don't think we actually disgusted, but I liked

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it well enough. It's kind of, you know, obviously, the

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more kind of soundscapey soundtrack ish side of Code Oranges Electronics.

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I listened to it on like I'd come out of

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the cinema watching a horror movie, and I put it

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on as I was going home, and I was like, yes,

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this is like the perfect vibe to be listened to this.

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Then this new one, which is called Blood Rave, obviously

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named after their big kind of electronic party events that

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they've been running over in the States for a while,

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is way more like the hard electronics side, like way

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more the big daft beats and the big you know,

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rave moments. So I think those two EPs together are

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kind of suggesting something interesting going when I've enjoyed them

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both for what they are. More new music news, Worm,

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which if you've been following the underground for the past

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couple of years, is one of the more hyped bands

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in the realms of kind of black and doom metal

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and stuff. They have interestingly signed two Century Media for

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their upcoming record, which I think is also coming out

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on maybe the same day as the Converged record next year.

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But Worm have been kind of an underground dialing for

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a little bit, but here they are stepping up to

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a larger label in the world of metal, so I

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would expect maybe to hear about them a little bit

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more when the new year comes around, and when it

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comes to new music. We've got a double dose of

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Christmas here on the penultimate week of November, and we've

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got two Christmas songs that have caught my eye. One

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is an original Christmas song, which is I guess the

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one I would prefer, even just before looking at who

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it is from. I would rather hear an original Christmas

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song than you cover in whatever the fuck you choose

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to cover out of the pantheon. But the fact that

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it's Airborne.

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Speaker 2: Is so abusing to me. They've released a.

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Speaker 1: Song called Christmas Bonus. Have ivery you listened to the

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Airborne Christmas song.

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Speaker 4: I have not listened. I've seen some of the lyrics.

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I'm like, yeah, cool, fine, I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you exactly what it sounds like. It

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sounds exactly like Airborne, but with sleigh bells.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 5: Oh, there's actually sleigh bells they've that's actually that's quite

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progressive for Airborne, to be fair, that's quite outlandish. I

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mean I've said before how heavy metal Christmas songs are

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one of the worst things in the world, and the

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only thing worse than that is bawdy Christmas music. And

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again I've seen some of the lyrics. This combination does

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not appeal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like every single Airborne song but co

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with Fate sleigh bells in the background. But the chorus

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of You're the Lady Boss, I think it's safe to

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say you feel warm down there in that special way.

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Give me a Christmas bonus every day.

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Speaker 2: I just like that.

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Speaker 1: Even if ACDC aren't doing it, ac DC spirit still

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always lives on. And Joel o'keef going ho ho ho

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is ho ho hilarious And as I said, I'd much

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rather that one than the one I could barely bring

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myself to listen to, which is Good Charlotte adding another

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fucking cover of this song out into the universe fairy

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Tale of New York Sam. Sometimes you're like, oh, good

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Charlotte ants they're bads, Good Charlotte are a good slam

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dug headliner all of this kind of stuff. Are you

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still currently prepared to say nice words about Good Charlotte

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right now?

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Speaker 2: Having dropped this, I mean.

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Speaker 3: I haven't listened to it because I don't need to hear.

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Don't cover a fairy Tale of New York.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't do they do?

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Speaker 3: They do they drop the slur? Do they are they like?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think they prove wider

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than that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean Good Charlotte.

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Speaker 4: Fine, I've defended them in the past that like Good

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Charlotte creatively in twenty twenty five like fuck off. But yeah,

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just one of the most deeply unoriginal Christmas songs to

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cover go away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you cannot wait to get into the Christmas

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spirit until fucking year before December this year, I would

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at least recommend the Airborne one over the Good Charlotte one,

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because it did make me smile in a way the

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Good Charlotte one didn't. All Right, let's get into what

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we were alluding to before. This has literally been announced

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like twenty minutes to half an hour before we started

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recording here, So this is why my brain has been

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a bit frazzled. But a lineup dropped for the Northwest

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Terror Fest twenty twenty six, which is a festival that

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happens in Seattle. As you can kind of imagine from

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the name, it themes around heavy extreme music. I've heard,

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you know about the festival in the past and always

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seem to have good lineups. Cool seeing a poster for

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the Northwest Terror Fest and it features a whole bunch

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of good stuff. It's got Pig Destroyer playing prowler in

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the yard. It's got dead guy doing fixation on a coworker.

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Both sets that we have, of course seen over here

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Werma on there mentioning them are Rancy Pazuzu, Kretin Kay

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Lesser or bunch of good stuff. But when I looked

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at this poster and I read the words black Breath,

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and I hadn't even yet been prepared for. I hadn't

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seen a headline saying Black Breath Reunited. I saw this

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poster and read black Breath on it. It is, you know,

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in its own special way. It's the most like ah

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I have spen about a kind of just spotting a

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name on a poster, maybe since Acid Bath on the

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fucking Sick New World One. Because Black Breath coming back

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is Black Breath are one of my favorite bands who

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certainly they're one of my favorite favorite bands who I

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never got to see. And I if you were to

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ask for the past few years, if I've been asked like,

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what are like three bands who you know, within reason

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you could like wish back into existence. I would have said,

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like in Solitude, Altar of Plagues and Black Breath, because

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those bands are immensely important to me, and in a

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way I was losing hope because Black Breath it's been

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ten years since we've heard from them.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately. The reason for.

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Speaker 1: Their hiatus for a little while their basis, Elijah Nelson

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passed away in twenty nineteen. So that followed by you know,

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COVID taking everything off the words, but then hearing nothing

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from them after that made me just kind of believe

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that Black Breath were done, you know, and just without

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any prior teasing warning anything. Seeing that name pop up

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on a festival poster, even if it is thousands of

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miles away from me currently, is it's news that has

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just painted a tremendous smile upon my face. How are

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we feeling about the just the fact that, ignore where

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it is currently, they might come here, they might not whatever.

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All we can say right now is that prior to

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half an hour ago, Black Breath had not been an

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active band for basically a decade, and now they are

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confirmed to exist, And just that fact alone, I feel

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like doing fucking backflips.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel the same, Like I'm hoping we get

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UK thing as always and whenever there's one of these

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core reunions. But just because it felt like they kind

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of just like faded away, never kind of got their

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kind of moment, everyone going to be like, yeah, you know,

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Black Breath, they're they're they're the fucking guys. It's just

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cool that they're you know, giving it again to give

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another shot. And even if it's just this one show

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where they'll probably get like a hero's welcome in a

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crowd that will go absolutely like batshit for them, I mean,

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that's just gonna be really fucking cool.

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Speaker 3: And like if it means more, hell yeah.

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Speaker 4: If it doesn't, then at least, you know, they get to,

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you know, just be Black Breath again and remind everyone

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that like one of the hardest bands around.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like they're one of those bands

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who genuinely were taken for grant. At the time, Heavy

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Breathing Sentens of Life were big records, underground arms all

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the same, but they were widely discussed and they were

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an end of year lists and all the major magazines,

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and then the third record, it just felt like people went, oh,

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this is okay, but you know, I guess we'll see

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and then they disappeared, and it's like that album was

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fucking great, but we didn't know at the time that

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that was going to be the last we heard from

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them forever.

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Speaker 1: It was ahead of its time in all of the

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hardcore kids discovering they liked death metal is the thing.

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Five years later, that record would have been way more received.

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Speaker 5: Definitely, Yeah, And I would just like, even if this

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is just a handful of shows, if it gets the

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conversation around Black Breath to change a bit, or even

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just to start among certain groups of people, because it

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feels like they're a band who for people at a

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certain time into a certain style of music. They were

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just the best, and they were so good. I never

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got to see them. If it ever comes over here,

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I will be there because especially those first two records,

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as people, I imagine all of us people getting into

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extreme music around that time.

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Speaker 1: They were fundamental, such a seminal band for that era.

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I mean, for me, like in terms of what they

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meant to me, it's basically on par with what, for example, Nails.

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Speaker 2: Mentally it was like.

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Speaker 4: Them, Nails Trap, them well, I was kind to get

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into that kind of like yeah, hardcore adjacent more extreme

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side of things, like Sentence Life on one of examples,

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like oh shit, this is like harder than a hardcore yeah.

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Speaker 1: But Black Breath, for whatever reason, are the one that

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I just held and you know, over the years after

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they disappeared as well, just held particularly close. And I've

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wanted to do like a one episode special on Black

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Breath like we did for Nails for like a while now,

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and fuck it, we're gonna do it next year after this,

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because even if you don't know Black Breath, We're gonna

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make you fucking know Black Breath because if they were,

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you know, if they were a few years before your

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time and you don't know them, this is a band

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that you have to know. And just the fact that,

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as said, they now are confirmed to exist and god knows,

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you know, how active they will be, how far it

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will go, Will they come back as a sort of

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you know, a full time sort of prospect. I don't know,

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but it's good a time as any. And one of

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the reunions one of the bands who I wanted to

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see you who, like I said, I was just forever

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wishing and kind of never truly necessarily putting my you know,

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all my eggs in it, but wishing that Black Breath

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will return. And it's just a better world that we're

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in that than it was half an hour ago when

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they had not been confirmed to return. So that is

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just the best news. As said, we're going to talk

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about Black Breath more inevitably, but if you don't know

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their three albums, one of the greatest heavy bands of

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their era, Black fucking Breath. This is so interesting news.

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A kind of broke a little bit over a week ago,

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but we didn't mention it last time because we're doing

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the Damnation Special, Sam. I just wanted to get your

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opinion on it. The Outbreak London sort of continuation after

477
00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:47,319
they announced it. Obviously they did the whole thing this

478
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,440
year with Turnstile in the Big Park, which everyone it was,

479
00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:56,400
and the news that Deaftones are brought to headline some

480
00:21:56,519 --> 00:22:00,000
variant of it, but rather than in conjunction with whatever

481
00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:01,640
brand it was, I don't remember, that was kind of

482
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,039
in conjunction with putting on Outbreak London. This is in

483
00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:06,559
conjunction with all Points East, so it's a kind of

484
00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:11,559
combination of all Points East and Outbreak in London, but

485
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,599
death Tones are headlining it with a big bill that

486
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,880
also includes Idols, Ammial and the Sniffers. Death Heaven are

487
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,039
on their awesome basement show Me the Body as you are.

488
00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:24,160
I guess the most likely of us to be attending

489
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,640
something like an Outbreak London or an All Points East.

490
00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:28,839
What do you make of that announcement?

491
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, on the whole, like collaboration.

492
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,519
Speaker 4: It is basically the same way Outbreak London worked this

493
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,359
year because it was Lido Festival, which is held at

494
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,759
the same site as All Points.

495
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 3: East, just earlier. It's like earlier in the summer.

496
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,319
Speaker 4: But yeah, like I was going to be like, you

497
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,599
need to just accept Outbreak London is an actually Outbreakfast.

498
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,640
It's a day fest with an Outbreak branding slapped on

499
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,359
it where they because they're booking more terms of bands.

500
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,000
I mean, it's an even bigger outdoor Deaftone show. I

501
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,680
think it's kind of like crazy they're doing another one

502
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,079
already because then they did Crystal Palace, They've done like

503
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,480
a massive sort out arena too, and they're back doing

504
00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:02,200
another outdoor show.

505
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 3: Like we are not shy for like Deftones opportunities.

506
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 4: But I look at this kind to go like you know,

507
00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:10,920
for like a kind of like trendy alternative lineup.

508
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: I think it's it's pretty good.

509
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 4: There's there's some stuff that feels like even out there

510
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,759
for Outbreak, like Idol's enamel of the sniffers, you would

511
00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:21,400
never imagine seeing anything like that at like the normal Outbreak.

512
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,720
So it is very much branded to not the crowd

513
00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:25,599
that's going to go to a hard show, like it's

514
00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:28,319
all the hardcore festival like you think Outbreak is. But

515
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,160
I think for what it is, it's a strong kind

516
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,119
of billing and be cool to see like some of

517
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,960
the people who will go who watch Idols go and

518
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,759
watch Deaf Heaven, like, have you something i'd want to

519
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:37,880
like just enjoy.

520
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

521
00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: Elsewhere around the country, Voivod, the great experimental thrashband from

522
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,519
the nineteen eighties. They have announced their first kind of

523
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:50,160
full you know, lengthy date. It's about nine dates UK

524
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,200
tour I think in a little while, and they're bringing

525
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,079
along with the Midnight and it is labeled as fifteen

526
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,559
years of Satanic Royalty from Midnight, which yes please, that

527
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,400
is a hell of a pairing happening through June of

528
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,359
next year. But if you are in London, Southampton, Bristol, Nottingham, Manchester, Glasgow, Belfast,

529
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,920
Dublin or Limerick around the UK and Ireland, they're very

530
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,960
exciting combination of extremely heavy bands and speaking of things

531
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,519
that we didn't expect to be happening. A while ago

532
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:21,039
there was news of the Coalesce reunion happening at Roadboo

533
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,400
I think was the first place that announced for and

534
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,680
we were like, oh my god, Coalesce are back. And

535
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,160
Elliot I specifically remember hearing you say, oh, yeah, that'd

536
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,799
be exciting. I have no idea if it will ever

537
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:31,720
come here, so I'm almost going to stop myself bothering

538
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:34,160
from being excited. But Coalesce of an outside the UK

539
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,200
shows for for next year as well. They are playing

540
00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:40,000
in Bristol, Manchester and London in April of next year.

541
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:43,839
The Coalesce reunion is officially something that UK people who

542
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,960
are not planning on traveling can be interested in.

543
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:51,519
Speaker 5: It's honestly this age of bands coming back and yeah,

544
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,759
being popular again. It's fucking bizarre because Coalesce would they're

545
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:58,000
associated with Caven and converged that, but they're ever as

546
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,759
big as those guys and the eye of them doing

547
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:03,039
a u K tour ever just seemed a bit mad,

548
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,440
and they are, you know if you haven't heard them.

549
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,079
The four Coalesce records are excellent. Like on the tier

550
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:12,799
below Convergent cave In you get Coalesce for that like

551
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,839
nineties metal coal thing. I am going to try and

552
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,440
go to one of these if I can, because that

553
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,000
would be a real bucket list item. I've been a

554
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:21,720
big fan for many a year.

555
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,759
Speaker 1: Yes, and I don't know if this is also on

556
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:25,799
your bucket list, but I know that you attended this

557
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,960
year awful. First, the dedicated Slam festival in Manchester have

558
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,440
announced there this is a festival that legitimately I know

559
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,200
it's a laugh, but they have legitimately been big, like

560
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,400
getting bigger and bigger every single years. It hasn't been

561
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,559
around for very long and the scale which is operating

562
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,240
has surprised me every single year compared to the one before.

563
00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:46,079
They have put their headliners for next year with Devourment

564
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,920
and Regurgitation and Develourment.

565
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,759
Speaker 2: Playing a show in.

566
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: Manchester, I would be genuinely tempted for it's it is

567
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,880
a festival, so you're paying for a lot of other

568
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,319
bands as well, but a.

569
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:00,559
Speaker 2: Devour but the UK show is pretty exciting.

570
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,759
Speaker 5: Well if you only buy a ticket, like for one day,

571
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,039
which is what I did. I did one day and

572
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:07,920
I realized that I wasn't mad enough for it either.

573
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,759
The barrage of Slam is pretty exhaustive if you're not alive, especially,

574
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,440
it's not an ideal place to be hungover. But this

575
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,680
that's all my criticism, it's all my fault. But a

576
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:21,200
day take It's like forty quid and forty quids go

577
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,839
see one of the best Slam bands ever plus a

578
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:27,640
bunch of other bands. That's a win. I didn't have

579
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,720
it on my list of going back again next year

580
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:34,200
straight away, but with Devourment back, that is more tempting.

581
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,720
I got to say. It's a funny trick of Slam

582
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,000
where so many the bands sounds similar. When I saw

583
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:43,279
it was Regurgitation, I'm not too familiar with Igurgitate, and

584
00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:46,359
I was much more excited. I was like, oh, oh,

585
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:52,119
it's fine, but I'm yeah, I might do the Devourment day,

586
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,319
but I can only manage one day.

587
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

588
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: So this is happening from July to twenty fourth through

589
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,200
twenty sixth of twenty twenty six in Manchester and it's

590
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,079
in the Breadshed next year, which I think the last

591
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,680
couple of years it was in Rebellion, wasn't it. And

592
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,279
the Breadshed is like, yeah, you know, at least half

593
00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:09,640
of that size on top of that again, so Awful

594
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,119
Fest is the Awful is expanding, it is growing and

595
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,359
development are playing it next year. I want to quickly

596
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,680
talk about the health Fest announcement specifically, so Healthfest seven

597
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,039
outside lineup it's massive, it always is. You know the

598
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:23,880
deal with Healthfest. There's lots and lots of bands on it.

599
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,920
But I just specifically want to draw attention to the

600
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:31,000
Valley stage of the Sunday, which is just for our

601
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,960
recent activities. It's it's the Nola Sludge Special Stage, isn't

602
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,480
it right? It's down acid bath, corrosion of performity, I

603
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:42,200
hate God's Soilent Green and also Black Tusk, Gnome and

604
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,480
another small little name that I can't quite read there,

605
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,599
but that's just all the bands that we were doing.

606
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,359
That's a you look at that and go, oh, that's

607
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,640
where I've been the last month.

608
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: I was like, that's the only stage you want to

609
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,640
go watch at this festival like Healthfare Soiage looks too

610
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,640
overwhelming to me. So I was like, just because of

611
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,279
what we've been doing, I just want to go watch

612
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,880
all those bands. I've just been the last it's missing Crowbar,

613
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:04,880
is anything that is like they would make it like perfect,

614
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,960
but that is you know, like obviously and tell down discussions.

615
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,559
We did all that on the special like take a

616
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,279
lands account, but all of those nolea slash bands in

617
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,640
one place, like you're going to be in the swamp, just.

618
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: Like getting caked under the like the heaviest riffs for

619
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:19,640
like a day. That's so cool.

620
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone is more excited than me than

621
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,839
knowing that Soil and Green are in Europe, Like that

622
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,079
is exciting enough, Like because I wasn't. I don't know

623
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,200
how much they tour. I don't comment the last time

624
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,039
they played the UK. If this means they're coming to

625
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:38,680
the continent, I get them on. Get them on that

626
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,079
Acid Bath and Colon show please.

627
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,799
Speaker 1: Because I'm glad you mentioned the Acid Bathing. Actually because Conan,

628
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,880
the Liverpool Mersecy based doom band, one of the greatest

629
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,599
doom bands of the twenty first century. In my opinion,

630
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,039
certainly one of the UK's best got added as sports

631
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:55,400
like acid Bathustraia. But I'm curiously if anything else you

632
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,799
know appears on that but that nolar stage at healthest Man.

633
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,599
If you are a Manor Warrior, then look forward to

634
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,839
twenty twenty seven, which there have been a lot of

635
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,839
jokes this week about why have they announced a tour

636
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,319
for twenty twenty seven. The same thing happened for the

637
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:11,720
toy I Went to you this year. Like I don't

638
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,720
know if people remember this. I'm sure that the toy

639
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:15,880
I went to this year was announcing about twenty twenty

640
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,759
two or three, like the MANI War.

641
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: Did a year to save up for tickets.

642
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: It's true. Man Award just operate on Man of War terms.

643
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,759
They have announced a run of so the one they

644
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,720
did was focusing on their two nineteen eighty four albums,

645
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,559
Sign of the Hammer and Hail to England. They're just

646
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:34,079
moving on now. They're doing Fighting the World and Kings

647
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:37,119
of Metal and currently almost all of the shows announces

648
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,839
are in Germany, because that's that's what matter, what I'm

649
00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:42,359
gonna do. But maybe if they come around again, you know,

650
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,960
that's just good stuff on those records over in the US,

651
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:51,039
big tour if you're an American extreme fan, because Emperor

652
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,079
are doing a little run with Blood Incantation openly. And

653
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:55,599
if you are one of the people I have seen

654
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,160
on American Metal Twitter in the last week either complaining

655
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,279
about Emperor tour but with Blood Incantation opening, or Blood

656
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:05,960
Incantation touring but opening for Emperor, you are all fucking posers,

657
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,960
the lot of you. Be happy with your unbelievable bill,

658
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:13,480
you spineless fools. Also big news for North America Prepare

659
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,640
the Ground Festival, which is the great looking festival in

660
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,559
Canada that I've actually highlighted a couple of times because

661
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,440
they keep adding some awesome stuff. Oath Breaker are making

662
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,079
their first ever Canadian performance because they have been added,

663
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,680
doing a rare date as they have been doing around

664
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880
other festivals mainly in Europe so far. But if you

665
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,200
are in Canada and you never got to see they

666
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,799
apparently never played there before, they are doing rare at

667
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:39,480
that Prepare the Ground Festival. Horrendous are doing two anniversary

668
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,920
shows in America, one in New York and one in

669
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,519
Baltimore for ten years of the Anaretta record, which I

670
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,559
think the latest horrendous record might have just superseded that

671
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,519
for my favorite one of theirs, but Anaretta was very

672
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,279
much like one of theirs that I got really big

673
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:58,160
into at the time. And that's cool that they're doing

674
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:01,119
a couple of small things to acknowledge that awesome record.

675
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,839
And here's a piece of news that I guess, you know,

676
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,200
it is not maybe strictly within the kind of the

677
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,200
firm confines of what T and M is, but I

678
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,160
felt like we should acknowledge that Manny from the Stone Roses,

679
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,440
the iconic bassist who I knew who Manny was, and

680
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,640
I recognized Manny before I even really knew the.

681
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:19,519
Speaker 2: Stone Roses music.

682
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,359
Speaker 1: Like he's one of those people almost in the you know,

683
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,839
the league of like a Nold Gallagher or anyone like that,

684
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,519
where being a UK music fan, you just kind of

685
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:32,599
grow up seeing some of these faces. And Manny was

686
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,319
as unfortunately passed away this week, and in terms of

687
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:40,480
certainly iconic basis from that era of music, he might

688
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,480
be the top one of that particular sort of school.

689
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:46,400
I really liked the first Stone Roses album kind of

690
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,599
surrounding material quite a lot, and certainly to bring this

691
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:53,720
kind of closest to home when we talk about bands

692
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,480
like Hi Viz and whatnot. A big part of the appeal,

693
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,880
certainly for me is hearing those kinds of like base

694
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,400
grooves and stuff again, the likes of which many really

695
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,480
kind of laid out there and pioneered, you know, finding

696
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,160
their way into something like a punk and hardcore band.

697
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,359
So in the wider kind of scheme of UK rock music,

698
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,119
I suppose this is certainly a notable passing, So of

699
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,880
course I wanted to mention the passing of Manny from

700
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,960
the Stone Roses. We are going to spend the rest

701
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,440
of our episode going into our reviews bag, which, as

702
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,599
I said, is our final reviews bag of twenty twenty five,

703
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:35,559
and we have pulled together some great and fascinating releases

704
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,599
from the last couple of weeks to talk about. Here.

705
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,759
We're going to start with the most prominent release from

706
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,240
October that we did not talk about in our last one.

707
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,279
Obviously we wanted to give it its proper lead treatment.

708
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,480
It came out on Halloween. I'm of course talking about

709
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:55,400
Sanguavore two Mistress of Death from Creeper, and for the

710
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,720
first time with a Creeper album, we know at least

711
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,640
a good chunk of the deal here, I suppose because

712
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,519
this is the sequel to Sangreville. We all loved Sangraviore.

713
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,920
Sangrovore being, by the way, the first time that Creeper

714
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,079
won the TNM Audience Album of the Year pole, So

715
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,359
objectively speaking, for you guys listening here, this album is

716
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,559
a bigger than average deal, right. It's a sequel to

717
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,599
most of your guys' favorite album of that year. They

718
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,000
also won various other accolades saw at like metal Hammer's

719
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,680
Album of the Year, which you know, for a former

720
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:28,759
horror punk band, is really quite some going. I think

721
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:32,119
that speaks to the areas Creeper managed to sweep in

722
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,519
on Sanguevore. And if there's one thing that I take

723
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:39,440
away from the kind of combined Sangofore era of Creeper here,

724
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,839
beyond just the bomb bast and the absurdity and all

725
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,160
the things we said about the first album that are

726
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,200
just as prevalent here, I think it's the cycle where

727
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:52,319
Creeper have finally found their home in the rock and

728
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:56,319
metal scene. They have always been such a strange outlier.

729
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,599
Being around pop punk bands early on didn't really fit them,

730
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,799
being around hardcore bands, being around emo bands, they were

731
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,640
never really quite in tune with any of them. But

732
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,280
rather than feel the need to try and tap some

733
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,079
of those particular corners to the market for success, Creeper's

734
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,119
niche cult of loyalty that they have courted since day

735
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:19,519
one really seems cozy for them now, Like they have

736
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,480
that there, they Creeper fans feel like they have that

737
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:27,239
band's back, and with this more bizarre and outlandish than

738
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,880
ever thing they've got going on, they can kind of

739
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,039
embrace being an outsider band, being a weird, particular thing

740
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,800
in the overall rock sphere, and they can be a

741
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,400
band like the Cult or the Sisters of Mercy or

742
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,119
whatever who almost exist outside of the zeitgeist with that

743
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,159
cult there to support.

744
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:47,119
Speaker 4: I mean, that's about like them being allowed to exist

745
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,519
outside the zeitgeist because that it feels like Tony bands,

746
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,159
you know, Chasing Train, trying to do this something whatever's popular.

747
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,559
Creeper have always had this kind of freedom to be themselves,

748
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,920
but they've kind of like changed what themselves are.

749
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 3: And I think like, of course each album it was.

750
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: All felt cohesive in because of women what Creeper are,

751
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,760
but there was ways just a flavor to it, and

752
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:07,599
having that continuity.

753
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: Between Creeper albums actually feels kind of novel for a changee.

754
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:11,559
Speaker 4: I kind of go like, I'm having to kind of

755
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:15,559
like realign what why I'm going from Creeper. But it's

756
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:17,760
great that they have a kind of like freedom to

757
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,880
be this but also the comfort where they can be

758
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,159
this like outlandish campus hell vampire heavy metal band now

759
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,960
and it just feel quite a normal, sort of like

760
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,280
secure thing for them to do. And I mean, that's

761
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,239
great that we're in that position now.

762
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 5: I think it feels secure for them to the point

763
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,159
where like Creeper has a band who reinvent themselves album

764
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,920
on album. If another band who you know, someone like

765
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,239
Mike Chem or going back to David Bowie or Ghost

766
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,880
or whatever, if they did a sequel to one of

767
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,239
those albums where they were reinventing themselves, it would seem

768
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,199
a bit odd. Like if my Chem instead of doing

769
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,400
Danger Days, if they went We're doing the Black Parade too,

770
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,039
like that would seem strange. But in the case of

771
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,119
Sanglefore And I don't know if it's because Sanglefoe is

772
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,119
my favorite Creeper album, I don't want this band, and

773
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,880
that they are now to stop existing, like if they

774
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,480
are on the next album going to reinvent themselves again.

775
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,599
I almost want them to franchise Sangrefore and let a

776
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,760
Sanglefore band go on and keep making these records because

777
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,719
it feels so suited to them, and it feels like

778
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,440
the sort of band that should exist, and like there

779
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,039
isn't another one out there.

780
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was funny going into this album because

781
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,079
in a way, for the first time, it almost felt

782
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,840
lower stakes to be Creeper, both because they seem to

783
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,079
have very comfortably found their home now in terms of

784
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,360
their place in the kind of ecosystem of rock and metal.

785
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:33,800
They're more than ten years in at this stage and

786
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,280
they're still here and they're still thriving, And on the

787
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,280
sangle Wore record, I think that kind of seeps in

788
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,800
because Creeper have never sounded like they are simply having

789
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,239
more fun than they are on the Sanguvores right, And

790
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,119
that I think is what gets us to a point

791
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,360
where we have a sequel album from them, because there

792
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,199
may be areas in their catalog that are equally artistically

793
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,760
fruitful to mine. You know, you think of sex Death

794
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,960
and the even avoid and what a unique urn that was.

795
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,960
But in purely having a good time enough to want

796
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,039
to just get comfy for a while and want to

797
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,880
do more. This is what they've decided on, and I'm

798
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,840
not surprised by that, because the overall vibe of Creeper

799
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,400
in these years is one of just you know, not

800
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,679
being in some kind of strife or turmoil, but just

801
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,320
loving the hell out of what they're doing and considering,

802
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,559
you know, with what they've kind of started with with

803
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,480
the EPs up to the first album again almost in

804
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,719
that kind of horror punk or goth punk kind of space,

805
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:31,199
having now turned into like an eighties goth rock come

806
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,239
eighties heavy metal carnival band as a big leap from

807
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,400
what they were, but it's as much a you know,

808
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:41,079
feeling at home sound for them as they've ever had now,

809
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,400
second helpings of something, you know, not always as good

810
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,960
as the first time, but that spirit of fun and

811
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,280
of just being at home somewhere is what you would

812
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,320
hope were, I guess, to be enough to carry Creeper

813
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,440
through once again, maybe even make a sequel that is

814
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,079
up to or even surpasses the first one. As said,

815
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,480
we all loved Sangrefore. I know again, like at least

816
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,800
one or two of us might have said that it

817
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,159
was their best record so far. Where are we at

818
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,159
with a Sangrovore to the squeak Wal?

819
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, this just feels like they're even

820
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,880
more confident in being sango Wore creeping Out where they'

821
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,840
kind of like we can push this further. I mean,

822
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:19,360
there's no you know, nine minute epic to open this one,

823
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,960
but just in terms of like theater heavy metal vampire

824
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,159
stuff they're doing on Sangopore, they've kind of gone like, yeah,

825
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,480
let's just you know, be more audacious. Let's open the

826
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,480
album with this like dramatic narration, which is something Creepbole

827
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:34,679
is taking like a couple of pelts for us, the

828
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,239
narration on their album being a bit cheesy and silly,

829
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,039
but on this one it feels so just like it's

830
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,239
so in line with the exact tone of the record,

831
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,119
where when you're hearing rock music is a horny vampire,

832
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,440
you're like, yeah, yeah it is with Creeper, this is

833
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,519
what we're getting. And that kind of just assuredness and

834
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,639
nothing about some feels like it's shrinking away. They're so

835
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,679
confident and they own every aspect of this that I'm like,

836
00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:59,559
I would say right now, I'm feeling this is at

837
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:01,639
least as good as Sangle War for me.

838
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, in the case of albums or

839
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,199
album sequels, similar to movie sequels, you can have ones

840
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,719
was your total reinventions, or you know, sometimes they just fail.

841
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,760
Comparing this to a movie sequel, this isn't like a

842
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:16,000
you know, a Dawn of the Dead or a Terminator

843
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,519
to where so I'm going to take that thing and

844
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,000
flip it on its head and do something completely different

845
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:22,800
with it. This is more like for a few dollars

846
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,119
more after a fist full of dollars, which is that's

847
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,199
not an insult, because I think I m like that

848
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,199
one just as much, possibly more. I think this is superb.

849
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,760
You're right in many ways, it is kind of business

850
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,760
as usual. It's like similar sound, same producer, Sex and Vampires,

851
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,840
similar archetypes of songs being repeated or mirrored across the

852
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,119
two records. The album itself is almost identical in length

853
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,199
to the first one, but there is just a self

854
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,760
assuredness on this one that makes it even more. I

855
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,400
don't know if it's quite as bulletproof as the first album,

856
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,039
but it in a way it's more fun to listen to.

857
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:02,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, because what Creeper are doing is just one of

858
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:04,920
the most innately likable things in the world right now,

859
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,000
I think, because they are the vampiric equivalent of someone

860
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,519
being like, come on, are you having fun? Let's get

861
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,679
up and dance and have some fun, waving a rubber

862
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,239
bat at you in your face until eventually, if you

863
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,360
weren't already down at the beginning, which I was, you

864
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,960
just give in and go all right, then come on.

865
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,599
It's just such a purely good time. Sango wore two

866
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,639
delivers on that in spades, I think, and certainly in

867
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,559
terms of you know, album sequels to first albums that

868
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,199
I loved, I would say this is like, overall, if

869
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,599
I think about the history of them, it's got to

870
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:34,679
be in the upper tier of things that at least,

871
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,719
you know, approximate the greatness of the original, which not.

872
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,719
You know, again, maybe a big part of it is

873
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,119
the fact that it's come hot on the heels of

874
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:44,159
it and they haven't waited twenty years or forty years,

875
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,039
like Alice Cooper or whatever to do it.

876
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,159
Speaker 2: But it Sango War two just.

877
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: Delivers on being such a purely good time in the

878
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,199
way that the original one was. And when I said

879
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:55,679
that they feel almost comfy doing it, it's kind of

880
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,800
an interesting double edged sword, because yeah, there are parts

881
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,400
on this record where it does feel like, you know,

882
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,800
we're all on the same page here already, we know

883
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,719
what they're doing. They're trading on a very particular stick,

884
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,760
and maybe there is room there for it to become

885
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,000
over familiar. But some of the best parts of Sango

886
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,519
Wore two are parts where that comfiness actually encourages a

887
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,840
bit of creative flexing because they're so happy where they

888
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,559
are that they're just kind of liberated, maybe from particular

889
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,000
expectations or being funneled into like each song needs to

890
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,320
be this kind of thing to be a success or

891
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,800
whatever the you know, the corporate tick box approach. They

892
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,639
feel pretty free and like they have the license to

893
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,719
just go and do whatever they want really and throw

894
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:35,639
gonzo stuff at these songs whenever they fancy, and that

895
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,480
is how you end up, for example, with kind of

896
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,519
an expansion of their you know, kind of rock opera structure,

897
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,320
where here we have a concept that almost sounds like

898
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:49,199
the natural inevitable conclusion for Creeper with a narrative about

899
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,239
an actual rock band of vampires touring across America on

900
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,840
the run from a vampire hunter named the Mistress of Death,

901
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,320
and Creeper are all about escapism. They're all, you know,

902
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,400
in love with the idea of narrative and its iconography

903
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,760
and what it can do. And they treat their whole

904
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,880
band like it is a musical basically, so taking a

905
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,559
step further into like, okay, this is a rock opera

906
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,840
all but about themselves basically a rock band full of vampires.

907
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 2: It is.

908
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: It's the most rocky horror Creeper have ever been. I

909
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,880
think that's for sure.

910
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: I think this.

911
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Record is tons of fun. For the past kind of

912
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,360
a little while, I've been trying to gear myself towards

913
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,719
just like letting the winds take me and throw myself

914
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,199
into the spirit of it rather than over analyzing it

915
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,360
and getting some of my critical faculties in the way,

916
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,400
because I think this record is great. It's so much fun.

917
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,000
It's also the first Creeper record that I think is

918
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,480
just great rather than like maybe my favorite thing to

919
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,440
come out this year, you know. And at first I

920
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,920
was listening to this album before it come out, and

921
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,239
I was like, I don't know how this is going

922
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,599
to go down necessarily, which is not the first time

923
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,440
I've thought that about Creeper in fairness, but it has

924
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,880
always seemed to pan out. I will admit to being

925
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,679
quite shocked to see a not insignificant amount of people

926
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,519
saying they think this is better than the first Anglepore,

927
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,440
substantially so in some cases that I've seen, because I

928
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:11,039
thought practically everyone loved Sangopore, and if you didn't love Sangapore,

929
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:12,440
I was like, this is sure as hell not the

930
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,719
album that would bring you back right, because it's everything

931
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,480
that was daft about Sangopore but dafter. My current opinion

932
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:21,440
is that this is wicked fun, in fact, better than

933
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,480
the majority of records still this year for the standards

934
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,039
they've set. Maybe it's a little low stakes, you know,

935
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,760
it's kind of DLC. It's playing around in the sandbox

936
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,480
of what they created. I am more than happy to

937
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:35,280
get that. I don't want to get that twisted at all.

938
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,159
I haven't truly fallen head over heels for this, like

939
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,119
every album they've done to date, but I am very

940
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,199
happy to still be in this sangle war zone and

941
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,000
having a ton of fun with these songs.

942
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,559
Speaker 4: I think that's fair. I mean, just dialing up the theater.

943
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,599
I am a theater kid at heart. That they happened

944
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,599
too so many things, but I've wanted to know conceptual

945
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,760
horror theme rock opera albums from punk bands, and there's

946
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,239
those things that could so easily go completely wrong, but

947
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,280
I believe could do it, and You've got that. And

948
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,639
then for me, the songs are still just you know,

949
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,360
pretty much bulletproof. This album comes out you like excuse

950
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,840
the pump. It comes out you like a bat out

951
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,519
of Hell. With Mississ of Death, Blood Magic and Headstones

952
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:19,719
as that opening trio.

953
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,639
Speaker 3: That's like some of the best material Creep have done.

954
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: For me.

955
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: I think those songs are.

956
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: Like unbelievably good in just dialing up the bomb bast

957
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,639
they still mind you like Headstones, you still go oh,

958
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:33,719
that is still a punk band playing this song. It's

959
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,440
so like bawdy and silly, but they are just so

960
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:38,159
good at it.

961
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: I think one of the things I think differentiates the

962
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,000
two albums is sang before one. Each song felt like

963
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:49,800
them trying to write a song in a particular archetype

964
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,679
in that goth rock realm, so like Criy to Heaven

965
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,519
is very clearly like Ultimate Sineer or Aussie further than Forever,

966
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,880
Pure meat Loaf, Sacred Blastming was afi Ballad of Spook,

967
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,679
and Mercy was Roy Orbison, Black Heemis Sisters Mercy, so

968
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,159
on and so on. And I think the impressing thing

969
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,239
about that records that it was so consistent at doing

970
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,360
all those different things. This time around, it really feels

971
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,880
like they've honed in on the glam rock aoar but

972
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:18,000
like a glam metal and like theatrical aspects of it,

973
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,480
it feels like they're not quite as adventurous maybe with

974
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:23,800
the types of songs they are, Like there are a

975
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,800
few songs on here that, especially towards the end. The

976
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,920
reason why I said it's not quite as bulletproof maybe

977
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,360
is because there are some songs that stills somewhat blend together,

978
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,159
you know, after having this record for a few weeks.

979
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,400
But I would agree that opening Run is as good

980
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,000
as anything on the first one, especially Mistress of Death,

981
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:43,480
that might be my favorite song from the whole double discollection,

982
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:48,000
that creepy going full billy idol, and that chorus. It's

983
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:52,760
just it's so euphoric and the melody is so catchy,

984
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,199
and again it's just it's such a cool differentiator between

985
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,199
the two records, where the last one opens with this

986
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,159
actual epic and this has an intro to it. But

987
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,599
it's just I say, it's like a biker metal song

988
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,800
in the tradition of that thing. It's it's so it's

989
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,159
so brilliant. Okay, I'll try. I think I'm gonna lay

990
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:14,599
out some.

991
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:18,079
Speaker 1: Of my reservations maybe early, because there's so much that

992
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:19,519
I want to get into on this album that I

993
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:21,320
just want to gush about and how sick it is,

994
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:24,679
but just to kind of clarify maybe some of the

995
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,880
what I was just saying before. One detail is that

996
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,840
it is the most self consciously I think they recognize this,

997
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,079
that this is in some way intentional. It's the most

998
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:38,199
overtly pastiche thing that they've done the concept of the

999
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:41,840
rock band musical. It gives them license to kind of,

1000
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,800
you know, poker all sorts of particular details. And if

1001
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,440
Sangravore was in some way, you know, embracing the excess

1002
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,159
where we if you go back and listen to our

1003
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:52,239
review of that album two years ago, we couldn't believe

1004
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,440
just how kind of gloriously camp they had gotten. In

1005
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,760
some ways this is more so right, some of these

1006
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,840
songs on paper are just mad and they are audibly

1007
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,199
having so much fun creating them, which is what ultimately

1008
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,639
makes the album such an infectious Listen those kind of

1009
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:09,079
fundamentals of you know, meat Loaf, Sisters of Mercy, trash

1010
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,719
ear At, Alice Cooper, whatever. Like it's a ghoulishly fun concoction.

1011
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,079
They're back in the studio with Tom Dalgaty and all

1012
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,400
that kind of glitzy excess they had last time it's here.

1013
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,719
It takes me a little bit to get into the

1014
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,480
songs that I truly love because it is sometimes so

1015
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,079
blatantly referential and almost parody. It's not always the most

1016
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,199
conducive to I think, just fundamentally developing like a genuinely

1017
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,039
deeper emotional connection in the way that Creeper have been

1018
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:40,199
an a mentally important band to me in that way

1019
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:41,639
at times. And I was discussing this with Mark a

1020
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:43,079
little bit and he kind of summed up really well

1021
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:44,840
when he said, it's hard to do a misery when

1022
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,079
your tongue is planted so far in your cheek, and

1023
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,159
that's a generalization, but that's maybe it a little bit.

1024
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,119
Speaker 2: They do eke.

1025
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: Towards that kind of again pulling on your heartstrings drama.

1026
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,679
That's the key moments. I'm not saying it's an album

1027
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,480
that's without its misty eyed magic, but you know what

1028
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:01,800
I mean, right, And it takes a bit for me

1029
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,519
for this album to get into the songs. I do

1030
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,960
go garga for the intro track where Patricia Morrison literally

1031
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,119
says rock music as a horny vampire. I've been fine

1032
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,840
really with the Creeper narration up to this point. I

1033
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,199
would have left that line off the record myself, because

1034
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,320
I know it's essentially what every review including ours, has

1035
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,519
said about Creeper for the last few years. But there's

1036
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,679
a difference between sort of flippantly summing up something like

1037
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,920
that and then literally like overturing your art with that sentence,

1038
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,679
you know, and kind of speaking it into your art.

1039
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,239
I think it just does them a disservice a little bit.

1040
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,000
Then we get Mistress of Death, which is a really

1041
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,559
good fun song. It's well catchy. When you think about

1042
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,800
this album's title, you will go must Asser of Death

1043
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,199
I think as an opener, it's not necessarily the level

1044
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,639
of like roller coaster, you know that Further and Forever was,

1045
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,440
And it doesn't feel like Will in particular on that

1046
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,800
song is giving that song the same level of wellie

1047
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,199
that he does when he, like fully you know, goes

1048
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,760
apeshit on something like a Further andan Forever or whatever,

1049
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:02,639
and it doesn't necessarily feel like it's trying to match that. Instead,

1050
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:06,159
it's almost more like the introductory credits to the album

1051
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,039
if you like. Like I like the vocalizing with the

1052
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:11,239
almost like spaghetti Western style kind of character ful nature

1053
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:11,440
to it.

1054
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: That's fun.

1055
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,199
Speaker 1: And I like the spooky riff drop in the bridge.

1056
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,800
That's cool, and I do I genuinely like blood Magic.

1057
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,800
It's a ritual as a song. I want to reiterate

1058
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,280
that because when it's on, I'm singing right. I particularly

1059
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,000
love the California infer no punctuation in the chorus.

1060
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:27,599
Speaker 2: That's great.

1061
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,559
Speaker 1: It is easily my least favorite major album single they've

1062
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:36,119
ever put out, and it's because obviously and undeniably it's

1063
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,199
the pastiche thing to the max, right and like it's

1064
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:41,159
being pointed out load So it's not news, but that

1065
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,960
song is a Frankenstein's abomination, made out of parts of

1066
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,800
popular songs from the eighties right intentionally pulled into the

1067
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,519
creepy machine. The chorus is heaven is a place on

1068
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,679
Earth meets you give love a bad name.

1069
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 2: There's certainly some.

1070
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: Of that Aussie or Alice Cooper whatever in that riff,

1071
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,639
and it's such a kind of dark, you know, flagrant imitation.

1072
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,840
It's a laugh, and I can see why they've gone, Yeah,

1073
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,159
for one song, we're having so much fucking fun. Let's

1074
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,199
just pull all these kind of hallmarks of the rock

1075
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,840
bands of the period that we're doing and smush them together.

1076
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,400
But ultimately, even though I do like the song and

1077
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,679
I think it's fun, I like it less than their

1078
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,239
real original creations, and I'm not going to connect to

1079
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,280
it in the same way I have basically every other

1080
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,280
single they've released prior to this point, and it's the

1081
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,000
first song of theirs where if someone was to go

1082
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,840
that shit, I don't like that. I don't think that,

1083
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,559
but I would understand maybe where they're coming from.

1084
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 4: I hear you counterpoint that key change, like no, I

1085
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,639
do hear you, I do something where like they are

1086
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:47,639
completely playing characters. This time it is sillier and it

1087
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,440
is again not as wholly original for me, It's a vibe.

1088
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:53,119
Speaker 3: Based thing for the struggle.

1089
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,599
Speaker 4: For me, what I'm just so happy to just be

1090
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,679
in again like this camp say rocky horror like theater

1091
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,559
thing where again they are doing You're right amalgamations of

1092
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,360
these like some of the most bombastic eighty songs ever,

1093
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,920
and it just works because again it's still got, you know,

1094
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:12,320
a big rocking riff. The keys of them on this

1095
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,000
album are like over driven to fuck. The production does

1096
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,719
make it sound as big and work together, and I

1097
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,840
don't who the amount of backing vocals they have on

1098
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,440
this album, like there's so much across the whole record,

1099
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,239
where it also was like Will to have to do

1100
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,239
as much of the heavy lifting on the choruses because they,

1101
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,559
you know, they've got all these other voices coming in,

1102
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,000
which again I can see how that might be an

1103
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,519
issue if you're really if you really hang off will

1104
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,480
when he has given it some Willie. But as just

1105
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,440
a sound, who's gonna like get caught up in when

1106
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,039
you hit that key change at.

1107
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 3: The end of Blood Magic.

1108
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 4: I am smiling, biggest maniac around, and I can't like

1109
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,679
like the solos are like dramatic and like Transylvania as fuck,

1110
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,039
and it's so just so inherently enjoyable the whole time,

1111
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:57,480
where I can recognize some of the issues you're having,

1112
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,679
but because I'm just having the best time, they don't

1113
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:01,840
necessarily register to me.

1114
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:05,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm glad you mentioned about the choruses there,

1115
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:08,480
because this is my last really last criticism really of

1116
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:09,920
the album, and I was gonna pop it here because

1117
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,280
I think these couple songs are maybere It's most notable.

1118
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:16,119
I do miss Will's higher register vocals a little bit

1119
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,960
on the album, and I know that might seem odd

1120
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,199
coming from me because I'm always listening to Shit, which

1121
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,679
has that got Goth baritone, and like my favorite song

1122
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:25,519
on the first Angle All was Black Heaven, which is

1123
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,519
the most that But I think some of that major

1124
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,960
emotional pull in Creeper does come from when Will is

1125
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,480
belting and using his his wider register or at least,

1126
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,679
you know, fluctuating between and sangravore. As much as full

1127
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,440
goth as it was, it did have some of those

1128
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,320
piercing choruses like Teena Sacrifice or Chapel Gates it had

1129
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:49,679
more than Death, which is a vocal masterclass this record.

1130
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,679
It might make me want a boogie, and boy does it,

1131
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,880
but it doesn't quite make me wanna like pop my

1132
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,480
lungs with how loudly I'm singing along. And I think

1133
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:01,639
a big part is that Will settles almost wholly into

1134
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:04,480
his kind of Andrew Eldrich goth register on this, and

1135
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,440
don't get me wrong, I like it. I'm not saying

1136
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,800
stop doing it. I think adding some of that vocal

1137
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,519
variation back in would do wonders. And that is part

1138
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:14,800
of why when Headstones hits on the trap list at

1139
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,960
that point, it's such a fucking like jolt to the system,

1140
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,480
because that is a song where that classic creeper punk

1141
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,960
energy comes in, still fitted with the kind of you know,

1142
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,039
heavy metallisms of this current era. It's not out of

1143
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,320
place or like a throwback, because, if anything, it sounds

1144
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,559
a bit like Motorhead. But at that point in the

1145
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:36,599
track list, track four, I needed some of that punch

1146
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,320
and Headstones, particularly if seeing it live a bloodstock at

1147
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,639
the summer total banger and the first little stretch of

1148
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:47,320
the album there has some of my I'm enjoying this,

1149
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,880
but why am I not quite enjoying this up to

1150
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,280
the degree I'm normally enjoying Creeper pretty much From Headstones on,

1151
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,440
I'm basically just having an incredible time.

1152
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 5: It's interesting here you say this because it's it's putting

1153
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,480
into perspective almost why I like this record? A why

1154
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:02,760
like these last two records more than I do the

1155
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,960
first two, And it's because I've never really connected emotionally

1156
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,239
with Creeper anyway. I've said before that I'm not that

1157
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,719
keen on misery. I don't like I choose to live.

1158
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,639
There's a bunch of Creeper songs that are, you know,

1159
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,639
for people of our generation, modern rock classics that I

1160
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,159
just I haven't found myself ever connecting with. And maybe

1161
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:25,519
the joy of these records for me is the purden

1162
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:27,199
of that question is kind of gone because I'm no

1163
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,559
longer being asked to now I don't I'm not expected

1164
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:34,199
to emotionally connects. I could just go This course is huge,

1165
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,800
it's sweeping, it's exciting, it's you know, parts a fit

1166
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,000
of funny, it's it's a it's a much less complicated

1167
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,199
for someone like me who came to the band late.

1168
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,480
It's a much less complicated ask.

1169
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think different Creeper fans will as much as

1170
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:51,400
I think a lot of us will largely just come

1171
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,599
together and celebrate everything. We will have our little sort

1172
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,039
of variations about the bits that we prefer or whatever.

1173
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,719
And yeah, it's interesting kind of clarifying that with with

1174
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,440
with this record, and like I said, when Headstones arrives

1175
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,800
and it is, it's the best instance of Creeper you

1176
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,119
slide dogs basically a drag level of not even innuendo

1177
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:11,679
but just saying the quiet bit out loud right and

1178
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,639
the group backing vocal which does add that kind of

1179
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:16,960
Eighties gospely you know, touch on.

1180
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:21,199
Speaker 3: The ends well like yeh follow ham on the last chorus.

1181
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:21,880
I love that shit.

1182
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:23,039
Speaker 2: It's great.

1183
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:24,519
Speaker 1: But that is the song that does make me want

1184
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:26,480
to like pump my fists in the sky the way

1185
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:29,000
that I want to do with Creeper and for my

1186
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:30,760
kind of nitpicks, which I've largely gotten out of the

1187
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,199
way now. And as I say, there's slight reservations more

1188
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:38,039
than condemnations. They remain absolute hook machines, and the track

1189
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,400
list just keep shoveling on them from this point on.

1190
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,679
Pray for the Night that eighties slasher movie synth with

1191
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,960
that little xylophone melody or whatever it is as well,

1192
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,000
and will like does sound smooth as butter doing the

1193
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:53,320
low vocal there before one of the most powerful choruses

1194
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,760
on the record. That's where they nail this particular feel

1195
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,119
of like this kind of thing they're doing of like

1196
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,679
Lost Boys synth rock.

1197
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: It really really works.

1198
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,079
Speaker 1: On that the later chorus when the SAPs comes in

1199
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,960
and sounds borderline kazoo like, it's such brilliant color making

1200
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:13,480
it sing in the most flamboyant way possible.

1201
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe that chorus on Pray from that when

1202
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,880
it hit, because you know that was where you know, oh,

1203
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,079
we're in the kind of like dark simp sort of thing.

1204
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,079
Now you're going on and will be again just way

1205
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,639
too horny on the lyrics. But then when that ab

1206
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,039
cast down that chorus was like, oh cool, they're just

1207
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:31,280
dropping big fit of choruses into their kind of dark

1208
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,239
synth tracks as well. And then last chorus, we've got

1209
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,639
to get another key change in this time with saxophone

1210
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:41,159
and like it's it is huge and like that's arguin

1211
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:43,039
that then they feel they're about to be a bit

1212
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:45,639
low key, they're gonna every time on the chorus, they're

1213
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:50,360
gonna they're gonna switch up some like Parasite like which

1214
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,320
again like moody to start, and then you get that

1215
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,599
be map Parasite socks socks sock.

1216
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: Parasite is really killer, which maybe the biggest It's a

1217
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,840
pure swagger from Will on that opening orus.

1218
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,639
Speaker 2: She had her body just like a grave.

1219
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: It's it's great and yeah that the suck sucks suck

1220
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,440
in the chorus. I'm like, is this even about vampires anymore?

1221
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:17,400
Or is this just doing what it says? But it's

1222
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,599
full of your production touches that are like a grab bag,

1223
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,360
like they've just raided a Hollywood studio from the eighties

1224
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,320
and ran off with everything they can, like vocal choirs

1225
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,920
on the chorus, glitzy keys and then the fucking talk

1226
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:33,280
box bridge And as we were with Converge earlier, I'd

1227
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,400
be missed not to mention the Roto Toms as well.

1228
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 5: This strategy of songs here Pray for the Night, Daydream

1229
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,079
and the Dark into Parasite. This was where I feel

1230
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:42,840
like I kind of got a grip on what kind

1231
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,159
of record it was going to be, which is weird

1232
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:47,280
because it's when they're strangeous things, because it's kind of

1233
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,599
where you go, oh, this isn't just a sang before

1234
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,320
you know, it's taken from Sisters and Mercy and all

1235
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,840
sorts of things. But it kin'd of I look at

1236
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,400
that record and go, this was very deliberately heavy metal,

1237
00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:00,480
whereas this one is just more general Eighties because Pray

1238
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,239
for the Night, some of the synths on it your

1239
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,400
horror movie soundtracks. But also there's a bit of the

1240
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,400
yanny about it, that sort of eighties new age thing

1241
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,960
that was really popular at the time. Daydreaming in the dark.

1242
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,239
Fol Brian Adams like nothing.

1243
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: Straight up fucking top gun music.

1244
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:15,599
Speaker 2: What that is?

1245
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 5: Literally we've left goth behind for much of that song.

1246
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,800
And then Parasite, you know, like you say, there's got

1247
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,760
some of the more gothic elements back in it, but

1248
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,880
there's a bit of the last they're just vestiges of

1249
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,440
disco still going on. It's like they're pulling all sorts

1250
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,800
of stuff from that time period, and you know, maybe

1251
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,880
that's where it tips over into pastiges for some people.

1252
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,079
But it is just a fun grab bag.

1253
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1254
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean again, I love this this little run of songs.

1255
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,039
Daydream in the Dark is so volleyball on the beach

1256
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,400
orrange sunsets, just maybe played by vampires who are starting

1257
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,920
to come out at that time rather than go into

1258
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:49,880
bed at that time.

1259
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:51,519
Speaker 2: And for me, the.

1260
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: Moment when the gonzo everything at the wall caught into

1261
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,440
the wind embrace of this particular camp iconogically paid off

1262
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,320
the biggest my very first impression of this album when

1263
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,039
I was going the Restless needs to work on me

1264
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,079
a little bit. But the Hannah song is fucking outrageous.

1265
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,840
Sangavore one, of course, not actually having a dedicated Hannah

1266
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,920
solo number, although I would like to remind people who

1267
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,840
may have forgotten it of Phantom Fantasia from the expanded edition,

1268
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,320
which is like her Sally song for a Night before Christmas.

1269
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,119
It's great, but raiser wire when we are introduced through

1270
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:24,239
the narrative that this is the moment that the Mistress

1271
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:26,360
of Death is going to speak, this is her moment,

1272
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,039
and Hannah steps forward and is suddenly doing full Jessica

1273
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,719
rabbit shit. When the scene has been set with the

1274
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:38,239
shadowy kind of echo to the environment that the song's happening,

1275
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:41,519
you're straight away picturing some like you know, jazz club

1276
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:44,719
stage with the curtains opening and the pianos which come

1277
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,920
we went are exquisite. The finger snaps in it later on,

1278
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,960
and the melodies on that song bring that fucking house down.

1279
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: Decapitation is a last albeaby.

1280
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,119
Speaker 1: The way she makes that line fucking swing like that

1281
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,840
is one of those instant, classic creeper cool mantras that

1282
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,239
you're gonna see on tattoo flash sheets whenever they do

1283
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,360
a fucking pop up show, you know, because it's it's dark,

1284
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,320
it's sexy. The bridge when she moves on to that

1285
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,559
falsetto with a coffin for you, I'm a guillotine girl,

1286
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,920
I'm a bed of nails. And speaking about the pastiche

1287
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,159
and the through line of kind of referencing that they've

1288
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:22,679
set this in, you know, the musical elements in Blood Magic.

1289
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:24,079
There are lots of points on the album when your

1290
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:26,840
ears will prick up a particular kind of referential line,

1291
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,280
tipping the hat to like one artist or another of

1292
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,199
the era, like you know, Pray for the Night has

1293
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:33,559
the Sun Boys want to be consumed rhythmics in that

1294
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:36,320
kind of thing. I'm only human, I can pretend to

1295
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,599
be above it, but you deploy the right one. And

1296
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:41,440
I am Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the TV when I

1297
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,679
was already enjoying this song the most on the album,

1298
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,000
and she drops the collect the heads of all the

1299
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,519
boys and put them on my wall.

1300
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,199
Speaker 2: Come the fuck on.

1301
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:53,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is it's just so cool, like the Bob

1302
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:56,920
Fossey just sleeves it all, like the whole song, like

1303
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,840
this might be my favorite Hannah song ever, just all

1304
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,840
of it about it, like so good shes it's.

1305
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,599
Speaker 2: Up there with like ghost of Cavalry and stuff like

1306
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:05,119
yeah that.

1307
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,519
Speaker 4: Thing and it is like Broadway as shit like and

1308
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:10,920
it's like, again, there's something where if they weren't so

1309
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,920
like audacious out there, this would probably like land quite clunky,

1310
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,400
but because they're so committed to it and again dropping

1311
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:20,960
those lines like that bed of nails are that Like

1312
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,280
it is a proper like show stop a number from Hannah,

1313
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:25,960
and it is like, really fucking cool.

1314
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:29,599
Speaker 1: You've done a jazz club solo number about decapitation with

1315
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:33,039
a Sax solo and a Misfits reference. Fucking ten out

1316
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:36,119
of ten, Like the entire enterprise of the sequel album

1317
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:38,880
is warranted for that alone, It's.

1318
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 5: Also funny that on this record and this, you know,

1319
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,039
with this band and what they're doing everything, the villain

1320
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:46,679
of the piece going against the Horny Vampires just sounds

1321
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:50,559
like another horny vampire, Like it's not managed to think

1322
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,119
of a second character. Architect's like, everything's just the same.

1323
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,559
This song, I agree, this was you know, the three

1324
01:01:56,599 --> 01:01:59,000
perccon songs that I sort of group together. I think

1325
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,519
those songs are great, but I was going, oh, they're

1326
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,800
kind of they're on a tear here, they're sort of

1327
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:06,480
repeating the same thing slightly, and then Razor Wire it's

1328
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:09,159
such a jarring makes it sound bad, but it's it's

1329
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:14,599
such a twist like it's it's just it's such a exciting,

1330
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,920
eccentric change of pace in the record. I do think

1331
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,679
the album is a little bit front loaded, but it

1332
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,079
goes out on one of its best songs, goes out

1333
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:24,880
that the run ends on one of the best things.

1334
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I do think going into the back end of

1335
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,800
the album, a couple songs after as I can see

1336
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,000
what you're saying, because after like, you're so giddy from

1337
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:34,199
Razor Wire that the next couple songs maybe feel a

1338
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:37,079
little more similar to one another. But yeah, black House,

1339
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:38,679
I guess is almost like the obvious hollo up to

1340
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:41,440
Black Heaven, where it has that skipping disco beat on

1341
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:45,079
top of that pitch black kind of synth rock and

1342
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:49,559
that wonderful star lit guitar line. That floodland type gospel

1343
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:51,880
chorus as well, I think is well good. And then

1344
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,760
the Crimson Bride heavy metal left we forget that Creeper

1345
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,239
are at least halfway to being the heavy metal band

1346
01:02:58,239 --> 01:02:59,599
these days. I think they're both fun.

1347
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 4: The thing for me is this track list doesn't actually

1348
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,119
dip really because you have like the real high peaks.

1349
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:08,519
But I think the Crimson Bride is like great, like

1350
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:12,360
just a big heavy metal ripper, like a real dramatic chorus.

1351
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,199
Speaker 3: It sounds huge, like big lead guitar works and all that.

1352
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:16,800
It's really cool.

1353
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 4: And again like Black House, like that really sleek thing.

1354
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,840
The Devil's got dark Plans for you again, that's another

1355
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,960
just like cool sounding line from Will it got like loads.

1356
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:26,519
Speaker 3: Of struck to it.

1357
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 4: I think for me the track list doesn't ever really

1358
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,360
let up. It's just come like I'm enjoying the entire ride.

1359
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and certainly a reason why I would not say

1360
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,639
this album is top heavy myself. When we get to

1361
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:42,119
closing track Pavo Nocturnus is where we get some of

1362
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:45,719
the genuine stirring drama that I would always want to

1363
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:48,880
go to Creeper for because the multi sort of segmented

1364
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,599
track put to the back here rather than beginning where

1365
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,320
perhaps that's an intentional flip from the first angle all

1366
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,679
you know, Further Than Forever and Pava Noo Turnus now

1367
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,159
bookend these albums as they're kind of shooting of the

1368
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:02,840
stars moments on them. Pavel Turnus is maybe more like

1369
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,119
a come down from you know, Further and Forever, which

1370
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:06,679
has just you know, lights the real on fire. This

1371
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,519
is that night time coming to an end, the story

1372
01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:12,679
winding down. But it's exceptionally well done. I think where

1373
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:16,559
the acoustic guitars at the start are enchanting straight away

1374
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,760
will as that is most Nick kiv on it with

1375
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,960
the snarl that he's putting in, and I can't imagine

1376
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,679
there's many people out there who heard that I know

1377
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:26,639
it's only rock and roll female vocal and didn't immediately

1378
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:28,960
melt a little bit, even with it being again another

1379
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,079
famous lyrical reference, but it feels so sincere and just

1380
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:36,400
so like in love with the idea of rock music

1381
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,000
and its power for storytelling as we know Creeper are,

1382
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,239
and that melody is wonderful.

1383
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,039
Speaker 4: Creeper ending on the ballad is kind of there, like

1384
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:46,039
go to move Them. I think it's nice of us

1385
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:47,440
on that has a bit of space to it on

1386
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,440
this one, like to end where you know, there's a

1387
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,599
gradual build. You get that first course which is like

1388
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:55,440
so delicate and kind of the emotional sincerity then comes

1389
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,639
through and they can build on that in the second

1390
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,960
Ian gets a just like another amazing solo on this

1391
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,320
and it does you know, it brings the drama by

1392
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,400
the end where they like kind of all gone hand

1393
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,400
for the end of it. But it's a nice building

1394
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,800
the journey in films, like a fitting crescendo to like say,

1395
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,920
the whole kind of sang before project.

1396
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, when before you know it, you've got to that

1397
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:20,719
like peak Lost Boys level of angelic nocturnal choir, a

1398
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,000
solo that sounds like the shit the Crow plays on

1399
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:26,559
his roof, like genuine movie style kind of stuff. I

1400
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:29,800
think more than Death is still my favorite Creeper album, Closer,

1401
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,800
which I think it just claimed when the album came

1402
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,880
out the powerhouse vocal flexing on that just really gets me.

1403
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,639
But this ends this album with such sincerity that just

1404
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:41,960
makes you feel better about the entire you know, kind

1405
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,559
of journey you've been on. I think my favorites on

1406
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:47,639
this album are Raise a Wire and Headstones, But I

1407
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:49,920
totally get if someone picks this because it does kind

1408
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:50,880
of melt you a little bit.

1409
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 5: And did these soors kind of blur together slightly more

1410
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:56,760
than I'm sure if you rearrange the record, I might

1411
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,800
feel differently about them. It's just it happens to be

1412
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,960
the sequence is, and by the time gainst these last three,

1413
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:03,039
as much as I like it, there is something kind

1414
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:04,519
of exhaustive about this record.

1415
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:07,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's it being a part two of what

1416
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:08,920
we've already have with part one as well. But I

1417
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,199
think having it is such a pleasure, you know, like

1418
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,800
every album we've had from Creeper, we've gone, oh, what

1419
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,960
an impressive leap, and this one playing around further in

1420
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,360
the sandbox. It's a fun sequel, right, Like as I said,

1421
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,960
it's one of the better album sequels I've probably ever heard.

1422
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:28,199
Like I maybe struggle to look at it with quite

1423
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:30,920
the same level of gravitas that I imbue into their

1424
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,360
first three albums individually, when it is so sort of

1425
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,039
self conscious and reflexive. Maybe, but I would certainly I

1426
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:41,719
would not say at all it's the filler either, you know,

1427
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,159
Like it's tremendous fun and it's even more maybe than

1428
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:47,920
the first one, arguably doing something that the rest of

1429
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,079
the rock landscape isn't, which I think is a big

1430
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:52,360
part of what's great about Creeper and why we try

1431
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:57,719
and champion them so much, is because applauding the magic

1432
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,280
that they can cast out there and the dreaming big

1433
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:04,159
and doing stuff like this. Can they keep going at

1434
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:06,199
this down this particular Sang of War route without it

1435
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:08,519
eventually getting stale? You know, I'm not sure. That's not

1436
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:11,079
up to me. But you know, if there's any impression

1437
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:13,960
that I'm somehow not a board fully the Creeper train,

1438
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:15,480
still like that's not the case. Like I have some

1439
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:17,360
critiques of this put against the first Sang of War

1440
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,320
and their other albums, but you catch me at the

1441
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,199
live show, I will still be having a ball for

1442
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,559
everyone of these songs, including those opening ones, And I

1443
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,960
would so much. I think fundamentally, I would so much

1444
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,599
rather have this to play with and hear how it

1445
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:33,920
turns out here, how Creeper doing a sequel to sangle

1446
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,239
Wore turns out they not have it, you know, and

1447
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,039
together this fills in some things, you know, for example,

1448
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:41,079
like having the Hannah song or you know, going even

1449
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:43,960
further in to the fucking top Gun Sacks route whatever,

1450
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,280
like this fills in things that the first angle War

1451
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,480
doesn't actually have so together complimentary that they are stronger together.

1452
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that.

1453
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,159
Speaker 4: I think as as a like I said, a whole

1454
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:56,039
kind of era, a whole project to sort of not

1455
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:58,719
a double album, but like these companion albums, they do

1456
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,440
compliment each other really well. And I think just the

1457
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,559
Creeper catalog is just so much richer for having these

1458
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:08,840
two albums coming together to just deliver on the vampire

1459
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:09,719
bomb bast of it all.

1460
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think, you know, the songs on this record,

1461
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:15,199
which I think are just as good as the stuff

1462
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:18,439
on Sangropore one like said, it might not be as bulletproof,

1463
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,600
but getting to hear them write more songs in that

1464
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,640
style where the first sound felt more like a variety

1465
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,600
pack almost of like these are the different kinds of

1466
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,960
songs that exist within this general over of goth rock

1467
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,680
and goth mel hearing them hone in on some of

1468
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,079
those things and explore them further, I think it would

1469
01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:37,119
have felt like a bit of waste of potential if

1470
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:40,039
they moved on to the next thing too quickly. To me,

1471
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:42,119
it's not just like a DLC fun thing to play

1472
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:47,680
with Creeper's catalog. I for all the albums going forward,

1473
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,039
I would have thought, I wish they've done a a

1474
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:51,760
bit more sangufore had they not done this.

1475
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: I agree.

1476
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:55,399
Speaker 1: Next second review, we're going to follow up on another

1477
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,840
of our favorite UK bands, Pupil, Slicer and flesh Work.

1478
01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:02,319
This is their third album and as their debut, Mirrors,

1479
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,399
came out in twenty twenty one, they are one of

1480
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,680
the bands I most just sort of prominently think of

1481
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,600
as being, you know, a fixture in this country this decade,

1482
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:14,600
and where Mirrors hit that spot of like absolute explosivity

1483
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,960
with its ferocious mathy grind Blossom in twenty twenty three

1484
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:22,720
took a leap to I think one of the more

1485
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,520
ambitious visions that we've heard in this music of late,

1486
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:30,359
where the experiments with with melody with larger crescendos with

1487
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:34,479
writing actual metallic bangers as well, but all with this

1488
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:39,359
like Icy Cold garbled through a glitching machine, kind of

1489
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:42,359
digious sphere atmosphere to it. It garnered quite a bit

1490
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:46,640
of a claim and expanded significantly on the capabilities. I

1491
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,359
think what a lot of us thought this band could be, Elliott,

1492
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,119
It must have been since you've been on the show.

1493
01:09:52,119 --> 01:09:54,199
But for some reason, I cannot recall at all what

1494
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,000
you thought of Blossom as one of our sort of

1495
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:59,760
current leading bands in these worlds of you know, grind

1496
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,800
and a core, particularly with the kind of digital edge

1497
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,119
you know meeting that's a flavor that I associate with you.

1498
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: Were you a fan, I was a fan.

1499
01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:10,359
Speaker 5: I think we I'm ninety nine percent sure obviously here

1500
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:13,039
for the review of it, but if not, Yeah, I

1501
01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:15,520
thought it was a really exciting follow up to the

1502
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,680
Day of ut I was big in Mirrors Beyond Mirrors

1503
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,600
when it came out, like, I thought that was super promising,

1504
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,399
and I was really curiously where they go next, Blossom.

1505
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,279
They went somewhere I wasn't really expecting them to. And

1506
01:10:27,319 --> 01:10:30,479
it's it's just it's maddening that record, Like it's it's

1507
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,720
not now might go back to all the time because

1508
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,479
it is quite overwhelming to listen to. But I remember

1509
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,279
being so impressed by what a leap it wasn't the

1510
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:42,359
things they were pulling from, and like, it just seemed

1511
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:43,920
like a very daring move for bands to make on

1512
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,319
their sophomore record, Like for you know, a lot of bands,

1513
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:48,079
it takes a while for them to start pulling in

1514
01:10:48,079 --> 01:10:50,039
those more disparate influences.

1515
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And so you know, follow up too,

1516
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,479
I think one of the albums that a lot of

1517
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,560
us were interested in just seeing what they'd cook up,

1518
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,960
really and I guess, especially s heere as we've seen

1519
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,319
with bands like The Callus Talboys for instance, that ultra

1520
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,960
chaotic mathcore can actually be very popular at the moment

1521
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:07,720
and kind of break out a little bit, And people Slicer,

1522
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,439
you know, on Blossom, were like, oh shit, a lot

1523
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,520
of people care about this band, like quite significantly so.

1524
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,279
And there are some ways in which this album kind

1525
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:17,640
of bucked against my expectations a little bit in following

1526
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,239
up Blossom, But fundamentally, Pupil Slicer have become a really

1527
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:26,039
confident sounding band. I think in a way that Your

1528
01:11:26,079 --> 01:11:29,920
Mirrors is wild eyed and savage and just kind of

1529
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,279
overflowing with energy. But he on the kind of following

1530
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:36,439
two albums, all of the sort of different stylistic influences

1531
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,119
are becoming really like you know, fastened together and on

1532
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:45,119
flesh Work, it's a really like dense, powerful, direct fist

1533
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,479
of an album in terms of congealing those parts.

1534
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 4: I think this is like the most assured peoplecis ever

1535
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,399
sounded to me, because I feel like, like the debut

1536
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,479
Mental and then Blossom felt that they kind of skipped

1537
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,039
two albums out and just threw their ambitions all the

1538
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:01,560
way out there and it's amazing, but it almost felt

1539
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,199
I was like Rains things in where they were kind

1540
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,600
of like reaching a bit further. This time films are

1541
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,359
kind of like we've taken all that and now just

1542
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,000
candense it into the most direct, in your face kind

1543
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:16,079
of like hard hitting, still quite challenging and not like simplified.

1544
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:18,159
But this just feels kind of like a very much

1545
01:12:18,199 --> 01:12:20,359
more cohesive listening experience.

1546
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 3: Than Blossom Didiot.

1547
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 4: It's like, I think, you know, the length is kind

1548
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,119
of like wound in a little bit everything. This feels

1549
01:12:25,159 --> 01:12:28,119
a lot more concentrated into just kind of like giving

1550
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,119
you the direct pupil Slice of Experience.

1551
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:34,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about the sound of this now, which

1552
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,520
one of the things that makes people Slice a sound

1553
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,920
bigger than your average kind of math or grind band,

1554
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:40,520
even though they are just so ferocious to some of

1555
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,840
those things, is they've developed this really high standard of

1556
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:47,800
production without it turning into like some annoying blown out

1557
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,239
you know, Will Putney of whatever, like you know, it's

1558
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:52,319
it's Joe Clayton in the UK who's done this, So

1559
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:54,199
shout out to him, because this album sounds great and

1560
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:58,199
it doesn't feel like a tiny underground production. It sounds

1561
01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:00,680
incredibly full and rich. And then what people's eyes that

1562
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,960
were able to do with that is, you know, this

1563
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:06,880
kind of destructive machine, like an industrial killing flow, but

1564
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,600
it still has room for melody and for parts that breathe.

1565
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 5: See we've kind of touched on it earlier. Of why

1566
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,720
this album so far isn't wowing me as much as

1567
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:19,640
the first two h and I think it's because the

1568
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,399
first album was so, like you said, like bug eyed

1569
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,880
and mental and you just go this is one of

1570
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,439
the most ferocious debuts a British band has put out

1571
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,039
in a while. Blossom like much more experimental, far reaching.

1572
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:33,479
I just thought, oh, I guess they're going to be

1573
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,359
pushing that further, Like it just you kind of make

1574
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:39,960
these trajectories in your head almost And that's not saying

1575
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,880
that band should try and live up to that. But

1576
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,560
on the third record, them kind of retracting and focusing

1577
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,840
more on you know, groove and like more straightforward songs

1578
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,279
simplifying things. Not saying this is especially straightforward, but this

1579
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:58,920
being maybe they're you know, being assured is often a positive,

1580
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:01,239
but in this style of music, I kind of want

1581
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:02,399
to feel like I'm on the edge of my seat

1582
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:03,960
along with the band, like I don't know what's going

1583
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,560
to happen. And this feels a bit like it's slightly

1584
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,560
suffocated by the kind of PS one MySpace old school

1585
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,479
metal core of it all. I mean where it just

1586
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,800
it feels like it's slightly too comfortable in that place

1587
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:17,039
for me.

1588
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 1: I think we could sum up that by saying, and

1589
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,920
I agree with this, it's their most sensible.

1590
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 5: Record, And yeah, for a band.

1591
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,520
Speaker 1: Called Pupil Slicer, I understand, like I hear you, I

1592
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,960
hear you, and maybe to some extent I agree in

1593
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:31,399
terms of where this sits in their catalog, but I

1594
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,680
love that The first track is called Heather, supposedly in

1595
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,479
a nod to the protagonist from Side It Hall three,

1596
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,119
and it is a sub three minute banger, kind of

1597
01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:41,199
like the Tackle track from Blossom, where it feels like

1598
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,840
a borderline floor filler in like the most evil, demented

1599
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,319
metal club that you could picture. And the way that

1600
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:49,840
they use melody, not even in the vocal so much

1601
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,520
a lot of the time, but particularly in the bass

1602
01:14:52,039 --> 01:14:54,600
when the bass part hits in Heather and the tone

1603
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,560
is so in your face. I think bands look to

1604
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,520
this album as an example of what a proper audible

1605
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,399
based tone also doing some interesting stuff melodically can bring

1606
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,119
to your sound as a heavy band. The way it's

1607
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:09,159
used in this throughout this particularly if you look at

1608
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:13,319
a straightforward example like that first track, Heather is exemplary.

1609
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,479
In the fast songs like Black Scrawl, which is blistering,

1610
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,600
it's doing all of this kind of awesome snap your

1611
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,800
neck grooves and runs around the threats and stuff. At

1612
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,720
times it's like Chris Walston Hope is in a hardcore

1613
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,920
band and that shit is awesome, And I just love that.

1614
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Heather still has that kind of

1615
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,439
ambition of Blossom because it's got that kind of light

1616
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,119
footed indie dance kind of beat to it that some

1617
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:38,239
of the things that Blossom that gave that they said

1618
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:40,640
that demented floor full of thing, when they're like mixed

1619
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,880
that with that frantic math coord sort of thing, and

1620
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:45,359
like the Basin is amazing.

1621
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,039
Speaker 3: It's one of those things.

1622
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 4: It just feels more like punching, gratifying, I guess immediately

1623
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,199
from people's slides to where it's not gonna like having

1624
01:15:52,199 --> 01:15:55,479
to wrap your head around it. It is like intense,

1625
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,520
but it's kind of wat you to make you want

1626
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,239
to throw hands at the same time. This record on

1627
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:02,199
songs I have and I think it's a really cool thing,

1628
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:04,159
and then like you know, Gordon begins with that like

1629
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:08,079
real like meaty groove. I'm like, this is a hard

1630
01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:10,319
album where it's kind of it is thicker and less

1631
01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:12,520
wiry than I maybe kind of think of when I

1632
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,279
think of a band like Pupil Slicer and I think

1633
01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:16,279
it's it's calling. They'll still throw in some of those

1634
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,920
interesting kind of technical riffs that that do have that

1635
01:16:19,239 --> 01:16:22,199
unhinged manic field to it, but it is all just

1636
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:23,399
kind of like more than this, kind of like I

1637
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:26,840
industrialized killing machine kind of take on Pupil Slicer.

1638
01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think what Elliott was saying. I can

1639
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,560
totally see how this album is maybe in someoney's just

1640
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:37,119
less surprising and less sort of violently thrilling in the

1641
01:16:37,159 --> 01:16:39,039
different places it takes you than either of their prior

1642
01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:40,760
albums wear in their own ways. But I think if

1643
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,760
you look at it as a really fucking heavy record,

1644
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,399
it has so many more kind of embellishments and a

1645
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:51,359
lot more nuance in kind of its craft than you know,

1646
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,199
the majority of records in that realm that we might hear.

1647
01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:58,439
Even a song like Sacrisanct, which is a full drop

1648
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,279
tuning ignorance smash, you didn't beat down at the start,

1649
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,680
and it doesn't really veer away from that too much

1650
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,880
for its duration. It sounds like it's got depth to it. Sonically,

1651
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,239
it's got these really eerie guitar embellishments. The slower songs

1652
01:17:10,319 --> 01:17:15,399
like flesh Work or Innocence have these lurking industrial kind

1653
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,760
of tones that take the foot off the pedal, but

1654
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,800
they do strand you in this sort of like horrible

1655
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,279
pitch black Abbot to our kind of environment.

1656
01:17:23,079 --> 01:17:27,520
Speaker 4: Like it still sounds impressive and it has atmosphere, and

1657
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,039
they again it's really like suffocating and and then like innocence.

1658
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:32,680
So you say it's slow mid temple, but then you

1659
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,840
get to the end of that song and they swing

1660
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,039
that like blast of black male at you. So it

1661
01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:39,960
still has those kind of like sudden turns that keep

1662
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:40,560
you on your toes.

1663
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 3: Right, I think it is.

1664
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a bit more sell than you might expil

1665
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,960
people slizer, but it's not one though. It never feels

1666
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,319
it's it's lacking for surprises because they can still pour

1667
01:17:48,359 --> 01:17:49,359
them out somewhere.

1668
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1669
01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: And one of the things that majorly keeps the kind

1670
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:58,000
of the the unnerving, not letting you sit fully comfortably

1671
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:01,239
air of pupil slicer is the vocals, I think as well,

1672
01:18:01,239 --> 01:18:04,359
because that kind of a tonal wretch that Kate does

1673
01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:06,920
on a number of songs that almost feels like a

1674
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,520
kind of evil slurring of the whole Sascot approach vocally

1675
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,000
when that is going on, and then melodically there are

1676
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:15,760
parts where there's like something approaching clean singing, and there's

1677
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,520
less of it than there was on Blossom, But I

1678
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,279
appreciate how distinctive, like almost in the way like it

1679
01:18:21,279 --> 01:18:22,920
doesn't sound like it, but almost in the way when

1680
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,960
Travis Ryan, you know, quote sings in Cutty Apuitation and

1681
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,840
you go like, that's melody vocally, but it's not any

1682
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,800
kind of comfortable melody that you would be used to.

1683
01:18:31,119 --> 01:18:33,079
There's a similar thing that peoplel Slicer have kind of

1684
01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:37,600
developed for their kind of music, where it's singing of

1685
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,840
a sort that really enhances the atmosphere of it. It's

1686
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,600
there in flesh work with this almost like unsettling, choppy

1687
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,920
singing and echoing through event thing like an alien pretending

1688
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,439
to be a human or something. And then like someone's

1689
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,319
like white noise, which is for that kind of melodic

1690
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,000
urgency that Heather has, but with also this really teetering

1691
01:18:56,039 --> 01:18:59,680
over the edge ugly vocal or the last track where

1692
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:02,640
it sounds like a fucking haunted baby doll. You know,

1693
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:07,239
I appreciate how distinctive and not taking away but really

1694
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:10,800
adding to the sense of disquiet that these like you know,

1695
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:15,159
not exactly conventionally pretty melodic vocal lines bring to people.

1696
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 2: Slicer.

1697
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, almost all the hardcore medical bands or even the

1698
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,720
math care bands were kind of they're folding in some

1699
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,640
of that nineties or rock into the sound. It's often

1700
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,800
used as a kind of almost like a refuge from

1701
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,159
the chaos. Yeah, and one of the coolest things about

1702
01:19:29,159 --> 01:19:31,439
Pupil Slices has always been the vocals. We talked before

1703
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,319
about how now there's these techniques of how to scream

1704
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,399
safely where you won't damage your vocal cords. There is

1705
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,720
just there's that certain qua from stuff like the Latest

1706
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,840
in the early nineties, before they knew what they were doing,

1707
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,039
when they were doing serious damage to themselves. You go, ah,

1708
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:47,600
you can't quite replicate that. It's not quite got that

1709
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,039
danger factor. I don't know if Pupil Slice have found

1710
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:52,479
a safe way of doing it. It doesn't sound like it,

1711
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,720
like the wretches are frightening across the sing especially mapped

1712
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,960
onto that production style, which is they say, is it's

1713
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,800
a dull thud, but it is. It's a powerful sensation

1714
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:05,920
and there's clean vocal parts. Against so many bands they

1715
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,279
just think, oh, well, I'll do the my bloody Valentine

1716
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,960
dreary shoegaysy singing, and I don't have to be a

1717
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,720
great singer, and that'll be I'll get away with it,

1718
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,720
pupile Slice, to take that moment, to really imview those

1719
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,800
moments with personality of their own. I do think that

1720
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,039
that goes a long way for them.

1721
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep this band far away from like loath style

1722
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,239
deathtnes choruses and and give me like more of whatever

1723
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:31,399
alien bazaar sounds are, you know, coming at their mouths

1724
01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:34,239
on records like like this and Blossom. And it's also

1725
01:20:34,399 --> 01:20:37,279
at the same time as doing that hard riffing Gordian

1726
01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:39,520
which is presumably named after of course, and not so

1727
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,199
has that kind of association of twisting and turning, and

1728
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:46,319
it's really you know, rhythmically intricate while having that kind

1729
01:20:46,319 --> 01:20:49,359
of beefy bouncing, just very metal sort of sound. You know,

1730
01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:52,760
it's it's melodically intricate with the base and everything I

1731
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,439
was saying, as well as being rhythmically intricate. The thing

1732
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,319
I was surprised with compared to Blossom is kind of,

1733
01:20:57,319 --> 01:20:59,159
as we were saying, how much easier this one seems

1734
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:01,600
to go down and how direct it is flesh work.

1735
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,239
It's about ten minutes shorter than Blossism, and Blossom has

1736
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,039
a touch of the epic to it. That flesh work

1737
01:21:08,119 --> 01:21:10,479
kind of largely skirts. It's only again the last track

1738
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:14,279
here pushes those buttons a little bit. And like I said,

1739
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:16,960
as you know, embellish as they are, and I'm not

1740
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,640
saying they are shallow. Stuff like sacrosanct and whatnot is

1741
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,319
kind of pretty straight up mosh meat, right. I think Blossom.

1742
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:26,239
Blossom does remain the one where I'm incredibly impressed by

1743
01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:28,000
the lengths that it goes to and the kind of

1744
01:21:28,039 --> 01:21:31,239
ambition that is on show. And this hasn't quite got

1745
01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:34,760
the same wow factor like you are. I mean, you

1746
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,439
know what you said earlier about kind Blossom you don't

1747
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,680
actually listen to very often. This one you could probably

1748
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,199
stick on a couple times a week.

1749
01:21:40,279 --> 01:21:40,399
Speaker 2: Right.

1750
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,159
Speaker 1: It's just hard and heavy and it's colorful, and that's great,

1751
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:46,119
but it's not mind shattering in the same way. But

1752
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:48,399
I do appreciate how all flesh work they've kind of

1753
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,960
managed to, you know, they've taken some of the developments

1754
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,359
from Blossom and maybe learned how to kind of place

1755
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:59,279
them in less demanding of being unpacked structures. I suppose,

1756
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,399
like it probably is that there's a nice middle ground

1757
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:03,039
to be had there.

1758
01:22:03,279 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 4: I mean, that's it for me, is that, like I'd

1759
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,000
like hearing the tones that they're playing with on this album,

1760
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,039
whether it is no pure chaos and jagged Matthew riffs

1761
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:14,000
on Black Scroll, which again then just goes with like

1762
01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:16,880
a sludgy breakdown at the end, This delivers on that.

1763
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,960
And I just found this very kind of just like, yeah,

1764
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,680
I could just slap this on thirty odd minutes of

1765
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,119
music that makes want to throw hands, but still has

1766
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:27,279
a kind of feeling of darkness and menace to it

1767
01:22:27,359 --> 01:22:29,960
that that means it's still sounds like it's coming from

1768
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,720
a band called Pupil Slicer, Like it doesn't feel too

1769
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,520
sanitized in a sort of a metalcore sort of scene

1770
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,079
where like bands like this are so few and far between,

1771
01:22:39,119 --> 01:22:41,439
I will cling onto people Slices are doing this kind

1772
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:41,800
of thing.

1773
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think some records you appreciate them more or

1774
01:22:46,039 --> 01:22:48,720
less depending on their context in the band's discography and

1775
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,399
right now our listeners to I don't like this quite

1776
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,560
as much as I do Albums one and two. But

1777
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,359
it also it's not a record that Pupil Slice have

1778
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,279
made before, and their songs that aren't they're not quite

1779
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:01,039
the same as the ones Mirrors or on Blossoms so

1780
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:02,960
when you go see them live, it's a new flavor

1781
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,920
of added in And so to me with this record,

1782
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,399
it's kind of going I was hope for you know,

1783
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,560
I was hope for X and I got y. But

1784
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,840
when the next album comes along, maybe I'll go back

1785
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,960
to this and appreciate it more for what it is.

1786
01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:17,680
Like when you see it as part of the of

1787
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,079
the church that they end up taking, maybe it will

1788
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:20,720
make more sense.

1789
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't sound like it was quite as hard

1790
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:25,479
work for them to put together. And I don't mean

1791
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,640
that in a disparaging sense. I mean, and they're probably

1792
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,399
enjoying themselves right now kind of sense.

1793
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:30,520
Speaker 2: It's it's a little.

1794
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: Bit like if Code Orange made Underneath and then afterwards

1795
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,520
went fuck it. I am king, you know what I mean.

1796
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,560
And yeah, but just because it's not quite as like

1797
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,920
sonically overwhelming or dazzling or whatever, doesn't mean it doesn't

1798
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,439
reward repeat listens at the same time. And I do

1799
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,840
think people Slicer are now, you know, between these two albums,

1800
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,199
Blossom and this one. As different as they are, they

1801
01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:50,920
are one of the most distinctive and assured heavy bands

1802
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:53,920
like them at the moment. So I'd still recommend it.

1803
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,239
It's flesh work from Pupil Slicer. Let's delve further into

1804
01:23:57,239 --> 01:23:59,680
the bottle of hardcore and go to Drain, who release

1805
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,159
an album called is Your Friend recently. Also speaking of

1806
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:05,560
bands who have been firm fixtures of the twenty twenties,

1807
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,000
haven't they? Sam Training are one of those popular hardcore

1808
01:24:08,039 --> 01:24:10,720
bands that everybody just seems to like, right, Yeah, they.

1809
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 4: Just seem to be anyone's favorite, like crossover like troublemakers

1810
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:14,760
in hardcore that.

1811
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,239
Speaker 3: They've they've they've gone beyond that.

1812
01:24:17,239 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 4: They feel like on the bands who are like, really,

1813
01:24:20,039 --> 01:24:21,600
when you look at the sort of the twenty twenties

1814
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,880
hardcore bands, they're the ones who have like, yeah, they're

1815
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,960
going big places, and it's kind of not hard to

1816
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,000
see why when you when you just you see the

1817
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:32,640
live shows, you hear the songs, it's it's not challenging music,

1818
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,079
it doesn't require much for but you hear that guitar tone,

1819
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:39,560
you hear a vocalist is like charismatic a Sammi kind

1820
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,720
of it's so easy to go along with from me Drain.

1821
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,079
Speaker 5: In the best way possible. They feel like a band

1822
01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:47,359
out of time. Their music sounds like you should be

1823
01:24:47,359 --> 01:24:50,680
watching a fish Eye Skater video from the nineties. It's

1824
01:24:51,159 --> 01:24:53,039
it's crossover, but there's a bit of Pantera and in

1825
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:55,399
there there's Obrigigates the Machine and I think, you know,

1826
01:24:55,399 --> 01:24:58,880
talking about hardcore bands getting big, obviously in size, they're

1827
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,439
not anywhere close yet, but they're upbeats and breezy, but

1828
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,279
they haven't gone the Turnstile path of bringing in dream

1829
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:08,039
pop and hip hop and like the flavors they're dealing with,

1830
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,479
Drain have managed to do it while still sounding like

1831
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,319
decidedly metal, which you know, I love turnstyle, but it

1832
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:17,640
is a cool juxtaposition between those two bands.

1833
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because every time they've come along, we get a

1834
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,319
short album that doesn't outstate its welcome of consistently fun,

1835
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,840
boisterous California hardcore. I do particularly like that edge they

1836
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,720
had of kind of like Bay Area California thrash and

1837
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,680
the crossover thing. There's no shortage of Slayer riffs in hardcore,

1838
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,199
but this is such a fun example of like good

1839
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:38,399
time Slayer riffs. But often when you talking about Slayer

1840
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,399
RIfS in hardcore, you're thinking the evil Slayer if Yeah,

1841
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,439
you know, the sort of nasty Vegan straight edge kind

1842
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,840
of slayer riff this I mean Drain Now. Obviously this

1843
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,960
band are very big as well. I'd put them maybe

1844
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,920
on a similar sort of sphere to someone like Speed

1845
01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:54,319
in terms of obviously, you know, Drain have a lot

1846
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:56,600
more like eighties fashion than Speed do, but they both

1847
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,720
carry that infectious just jump up and down and have

1848
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,920
a good time together kind of demeano. There's even a

1849
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,680
bit on this before a breakdown where they do the

1850
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,479
tag and they go Drain in the exact same away.

1851
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,479
You know, Sam, where would you roughly rank Drain in

1852
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,720
terms of contemporary hard because like you are, I have

1853
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,880
just said they are short of your genuine kind of

1854
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,399
breakout bands like Turnstile Speed Now as well, they're one

1855
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:20,880
of the more unanimously popular ones where if they announce

1856
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,119
a show anywhere, people will flock to it and they'll

1857
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:26,359
go mad there. Are they just a tremendous live band

1858
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,640
or what actual like quality of output on their records

1859
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:31,680
have we had up to this point?

1860
01:26:32,119 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 3: So this is my thing we Drain again is these records.

1861
01:26:35,039 --> 01:26:35,720
I really like them.

1862
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 4: They got again the albums that just go super well

1863
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,479
for me because I like that guitar tone, I like

1864
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,920
kind of just like boisterous, bouncy hardcore. I don't think

1865
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,880
they've ever like I'm still way for them to kind

1866
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,960
of like maybe drop a classic. I really I think

1867
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,720
the last album is still my favorite thing they've done.

1868
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,640
I think that album they really hit sort of their

1869
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,640
stride on that with like like some of the songs

1870
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,520
in there and this one, it kind of just feels

1871
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,960
like more of the same, which isn't a bad thing

1872
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,960
when it is just super enjoyable. But I don't know

1873
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,640
if they've kind of hit the moment of like Scowlers,

1874
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,319
like the example, we've kind of gone like now we're

1875
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:10,479
they're writing like just like massive rock songs, or I

1876
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,199
would put them on a level of like Speed in

1877
01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:13,960
terms of quality, I think that they're the're the closest

1878
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,079
sort of comparison of like this is turn your brain

1879
01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:21,560
off hardcore that if you're into that, I couldn't imagine

1880
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:22,920
not having a good time listening to it.

1881
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 3: So I think like.

1882
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 4: This is it is just more of what Drain offer,

1883
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,439
which is in and out breezy. There's like an escape

1884
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,319
punk song on there, which is the kind of the

1885
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:34,840
most amount of variation where they'll sing for one song,

1886
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,920
but it's still, you know, really fun to listen to.

1887
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,359
It's got loads of attitudes. There's other nothing but love

1888
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:42,119
on that like if I live like, you'd hate me too,

1889
01:27:42,199 --> 01:27:45,520
sort of hooks. They've got that kind of braggadocious like

1890
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,880
grand standing that you want from hardcore, but the kind

1891
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,640
of like the bollocks and the swaggers to put it off,

1892
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,720
So it's all just kind of just hits on sort

1893
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,520
of ticks the boxes you want from me without I guess,

1894
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,279
I guess to me, it's just it's kind of like

1895
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,720
waiting for them to do that, for that will really

1896
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,520
push them into the big leagues, because I feel like

1897
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,079
they've kind of like nailed this sound now and it's

1898
01:28:05,079 --> 01:28:06,560
taken them to where they are.

1899
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 3: They now need to find that next step.

1900
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I liked California Curse quite a bit as

1901
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,239
the first one I heard, and then I liked Living

1902
01:28:13,279 --> 01:28:15,600
Proof as well. This is now the third time I've

1903
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,880
reviewed a Drain album, and I must say every time

1904
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,319
I go, this is a lot of fun, and then

1905
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:22,279
it doesn't enter my listening rotation at all, and maybe

1906
01:28:22,279 --> 01:28:24,119
it is built for kind of big hardcore live shows,

1907
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:26,840
which you know, I haven't seen Drain, but they do

1908
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,800
their thing very satisfyingly, but without for a more casual

1909
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,600
follower like myself, many big sticky hooks where they have

1910
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,319
the vibe and the cool factor of you know, ripping crossover,

1911
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,680
possy fish eyelands skater video hardcore. But for how big

1912
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,159
and established they are in the hardcore scene, I would

1913
01:28:46,199 --> 01:28:48,439
say an album three, I think they're kind of lacking

1914
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,600
their defining you know, classic songs at this stage for

1915
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,399
me to put them anywhere above really that consistently seven

1916
01:28:55,399 --> 01:28:57,880
out of ten sort of level. So I think for

1917
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,680
all Drain are shouted about by the press and Champion

1918
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,279
is one of the great hardcore bands at the moment.

1919
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:07,159
I'm not sure how much beyond just die hard hardcore vibes,

1920
01:29:07,239 --> 01:29:10,720
which they have in spades, they really are four, you

1921
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:11,279
know what I mean?

1922
01:29:12,319 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, this album for me has kind of solidified what

1923
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,680
Drain are and probably what they're gonna be forever, because

1924
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,800
there was some experimentation on the last record. It was

1925
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,319
that rap inter Loo that was quite fun and I'm

1926
01:29:23,359 --> 01:29:26,600
not writing off a radical change in the future, but

1927
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,680
based on these three albums, it's very clear what kind

1928
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,720
of band they are and what kind of records they're

1929
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,880
likely to produce, and I don't think it's gonna ever

1930
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,239
be unless they do something completely different. It's never gonna

1931
01:29:39,239 --> 01:29:40,880
be a turnstar thing where people are gonna go. I

1932
01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:43,479
never understood hardcore. I'd never heard this thing before. I

1933
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,000
don't like hardcore, but I like Drain. You know, it's

1934
01:29:46,399 --> 01:29:48,479
your mileage, which will vary depending on how much you

1935
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:53,359
like thrashy hardcore. Ten songs, twenty five minutes. It never

1936
01:29:53,359 --> 01:29:56,960
gets too nasty, it's never too squeaky clean. However, I

1937
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,680
do think they nail that thing like it really is

1938
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,840
that same. It's it's not necessarily that they're the best

1939
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,600
to ever do it, but the sound is pleasing to

1940
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,720
my ears, even if it doesn't enter my regular rotation.

1941
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,640
I really I like California Curse. I still go back

1942
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,760
to that record, you know, once or twice a summer.

1943
01:30:13,159 --> 01:30:15,000
But I agree there aren't really any Drain ams which

1944
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,560
I spin year round, and I'm among my favorite hardcrams

1945
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,000
of all time. But every couple of years a new

1946
01:30:21,039 --> 01:30:24,279
Drain record coming along, enjoying it for a few weeks.

1947
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:28,600
Even if that is it, that's maybe that's good enough.

1948
01:30:29,079 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't disagree, and the you know, kind

1949
01:30:32,039 --> 01:30:34,800
of the demeanor they have of sort of like lifting

1950
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,479
you up live every day like it's your last that

1951
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,119
kind of thing. The opening line of the album is

1952
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:40,119
life is not a contest, but I've already won. And

1953
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:41,960
I think that's that is kind of enough to kind

1954
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,039
of hit you in that moment. And speaking of fat tones,

1955
01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:47,880
bas tones after people slicer, this isn't quite that rich,

1956
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,159
but the baseline that you get at the beginning is

1957
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,479
pure good vibes. And then suddenly though thrash rifts kick in,

1958
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,119
which dare I say have a touch of like speed

1959
01:30:56,159 --> 01:30:58,439
metal in the hyperactive tail end of the rift, like

1960
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:00,840
that could be like, you know, violence or something. When

1961
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,800
that riff hits the intro lick of can't be bothered,

1962
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,239
maybe laugh because I was like, yeah, let's do the

1963
01:31:05,239 --> 01:31:07,239
mid Middle Eastern bit from Holy Wars but at the

1964
01:31:07,279 --> 01:31:09,960
start of a hard core song would be cool, and

1965
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,560
I don't disagree it is kind of cool. Living in

1966
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,119
a Memory is so crossover that it might have one

1967
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:17,000
of my favorite drain rifts to date, Like it's just

1968
01:31:17,119 --> 01:31:20,239
so eighties hardcore in a way that I always value

1969
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:21,960
when you do still have a bit of that today.

1970
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,039
Speaker 2: But it's mean and hard, and then.

1971
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,279
Speaker 1: The melodic chorus and that song arrives and it's like, oh,

1972
01:31:26,279 --> 01:31:28,760
it's all chill, guys, sit down, grab a beer out

1973
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:29,960
of the ice box, that kind of thing. And it's

1974
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,840
those two flavors rubbing up against together of being mean

1975
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,199
and hard and then actually realizing that things ain't that bad.

1976
01:31:37,119 --> 01:31:40,199
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, I think like the good vibes do

1977
01:31:40,399 --> 01:31:41,439
carry this record a lot.

1978
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,039
Speaker 4: Like even if you know something like Scared of a

1979
01:31:43,119 --> 01:31:45,079
Thing Enough on, which is mean and stompy and it's

1980
01:31:45,079 --> 01:31:48,399
all silly pitwalks, you then just bounce on that one

1981
01:31:48,399 --> 01:31:50,199
as well. After you've done your sleepitwalk, you're jumping up

1982
01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:51,920
and down, hugging your mates, having a good time, pumping

1983
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:52,319
your fist.

1984
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: That is one of the dumbest silly walk across the

1985
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:55,479
stage rifts.

1986
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:59,359
Speaker 4: It's so good, Like I would always mark out for

1987
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,600
that and again, you know, until next time, Like it

1988
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,520
just bids us farewell, you know, looking back on the

1989
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,000
good times, promising more good times to come.

1990
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:09,199
Speaker 3: I'll take that.

1991
01:32:09,279 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 4: A nice time hardcore record that does still sound pretty hard.

1992
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:14,359
Speaker 3: It's good.

1993
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nothing but Love has that kind of anthrax spin

1994
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,600
kicking vocalists doing these sort of you know, agnostic front

1995
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,039
or mad ball kind of cadence vocal lines, but then

1996
01:32:23,079 --> 01:32:25,279
again on the sort of anthrax killer, particularly when it

1997
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,720
goes full on or war dance at the end type riffing.

1998
01:32:29,039 --> 01:32:31,159
I think the drummer, just to highlight an individual performance,

1999
01:32:31,399 --> 01:32:34,560
is rather good in terms of bridging that kind of

2000
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:38,720
hardcore brutishness with that slightly more wiry.

2001
01:32:38,359 --> 01:32:39,159
Speaker 2: Thrash of sensibility.

2002
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:41,159
Speaker 1: There's a little moment in loudest in the room when

2003
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,800
he adds this kind of little double bass skip into

2004
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,079
the riff later on that makes it kind of pop

2005
01:32:46,359 --> 01:32:49,319
but less that get too mean or too relentless. As

2006
01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:51,960
we said, the last album had that Descendants cover on it.

2007
01:32:52,119 --> 01:32:54,399
Here they go full on. Let's just do an original

2008
01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:57,399
pop punk song basically who's having fun still with our

2009
01:32:57,479 --> 01:32:59,760
usual heavy guitar tone on it, but it's got that

2010
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,840
kind of like everything's good, you know, vocal thing on it,

2011
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,720
and in terms of that style of melodic pop punk song, yeah,

2012
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,439
obviously it's one of the better ones that's been out

2013
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,800
this year. It's not necessarily my favorite thing in the world,

2014
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,199
but hearing it with you know, licks still and the

2015
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:15,199
kind of metal guitar playing still in there is a

2016
01:33:15,239 --> 01:33:17,279
lot of fun. I mean, hang around for our next

2017
01:33:17,279 --> 01:33:19,000
album review. Actually, if you want to hear great pop

2018
01:33:19,039 --> 01:33:21,520
songs with total horns up guitar playing, there's a link

2019
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,239
that I wasn't expecting, but it's there. But yeah, eighties

2020
01:33:25,319 --> 01:33:29,560
crossover to stage time to lift you up, never actually

2021
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,640
getting too scary or heavy, because the aim of the

2022
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,920
game is easy, breezy. You know, the military gun fans,

2023
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:35,600
there's kind of people they're gonna love it as well.

2024
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,520
It's the sunniest album that's out this November. I do think,

2025
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,279
like I said, three Ams in now, I don't think

2026
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:44,239
Draine have any like genuinely seminal songs for how big

2027
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:48,199
they are in their era. But I also can't say

2028
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:50,880
that it wasn't a fun twenty five odd minutes.

2029
01:33:52,079 --> 01:33:54,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not the most spectacular album in the world.

2030
01:33:54,079 --> 01:33:56,760
It's not one of those hard crams where we'll going

2031
01:33:57,079 --> 01:33:58,760
it doesn't matter what you like. You have to hear

2032
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,000
this show. It's yourself, it's going to define the year whatever.

2033
01:34:01,039 --> 01:34:05,279
But if you do like this thing, and really you should,

2034
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,880
it is fun. And if you like the bands that

2035
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,560
we've been naming throughout this review. I find it hard

2036
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,520
to imagine that it wouldn't connect with you, even if

2037
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:15,159
just for a bit.

2038
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does make them a decent ambassador in

2039
01:34:18,079 --> 01:34:21,239
terms of go and play those big rock festival stages,

2040
01:34:21,279 --> 01:34:24,479
play Download or Coachella or whatever. And again, even if

2041
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,159
you're not the say of the most extraordinary example, just

2042
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:29,760
show more people what straight up hardcore is about and

2043
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,439
what the spirit is and it will get the job done.

2044
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,439
So Draine is your friend. As I was sort of

2045
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,600
teasing a little bit there, what the vibe for our

2046
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,479
next album is, it's Astronoid and Star God. Asterronoid are

2047
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:42,600
a band who are very familiar here at TNM. Actually,

2048
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,159
I think between reviews or other albums discussions, we have

2049
01:34:46,199 --> 01:34:49,239
spoken about every single Asteroid album so far on this show.

2050
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:52,000
But there's still nowhere near known enough in the rest

2051
01:34:52,039 --> 01:34:53,720
of the world. So if you know all about this

2052
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,119
band and it sounds at like okay, yeah, here we go,

2053
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,000
we've still got to say this for everyone else who

2054
01:34:58,039 --> 01:35:00,880
doesn't know yet. Asternoid are I suppose you'd say a

2055
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,199
progressive metal band. That's as kind of accurate as you're

2056
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:05,000
going to get, really, because they are one of the

2057
01:35:05,039 --> 01:35:06,920
most fuck it, we don't really care about what the

2058
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,319
rest of the world is doing at all. We're just

2059
01:35:08,319 --> 01:35:09,840
going to do our own thing metal bands I think

2060
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,680
we have Currently, they are several albums deep into exploring

2061
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:19,560
this sound of unbelievably bright, sunny, buoyant metal that has

2062
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,640
drawn from a few different places and ended up somewhere

2063
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,520
very unique. They released I think one of the best

2064
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,560
debut albums of the TNM era, in Air, which a

2065
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:29,920
couple of years ago I put it forward for a

2066
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,239
summer album relect because it's one of the most just joyous,

2067
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:37,039
blinding in its bright intensity metal albums ever really, and

2068
01:35:37,039 --> 01:35:39,239
that kind of drew on Black Gates a lot, but

2069
01:35:39,399 --> 01:35:43,359
funneling all of its like happiest, bounciest elements to the

2070
01:35:43,359 --> 01:35:45,199
point that it's practically a pop punk album. At the

2071
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:48,319
same time, their next two albums after that sort of

2072
01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:50,079
rounded that out into the more of this kind of

2073
01:35:50,079 --> 01:35:52,560
prog metal sound, a little bit softer edged maybe, but

2074
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,720
still very lovely. And we reviewed the last one, Radiant Bloom,

2075
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,600
in twenty twenty two and Sam, we were very much

2076
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,479
just like, what a fucking cool, distinct band we have here.

2077
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of like I don't know, I might

2078
01:36:04,399 --> 01:36:07,439
take because I kind of forget just how one a

2079
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,479
time they actually feel where like again, you can kind

2080
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,039
of make comparison with some bands that like, for me,

2081
01:36:12,079 --> 01:36:14,279
it's like they could have had that pop prog source

2082
01:36:14,319 --> 01:36:16,520
sensibility of something like cod and Cambria. But like again,

2083
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,319
when they're drawing from like other things like post black

2084
01:36:20,359 --> 01:36:22,680
metal and a bit of shoe gaze, a bit of

2085
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,640
easy core every now and then in some of the riffing,

2086
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,920
like it's all there and.

2087
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:30,159
Speaker 1: It's like, do you like Coheede four you Strong and

2088
01:36:30,199 --> 01:36:32,039
death Heavan Boy, do we have the band for you?

2089
01:36:32,119 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 4: Literally you could like if you like those bands, this

2090
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,880
is it because I just put this band on. I mean,

2091
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:38,960
and again, like some like Devil Sort Is Soul, the

2092
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,359
bright moments of that band where it's like the thing

2093
01:36:41,399 --> 01:36:43,119
you know, you've got that in there, like all these

2094
01:36:43,119 --> 01:36:45,640
sort bands are like it's just kind of like actually

2095
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:49,600
could be doing just post metal, but only the bright parts,

2096
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:53,520
only the crescendos just constantly, and it's just such a

2097
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,159
like it's such a nice thing.

2098
01:36:55,039 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 3: To have on.

2099
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,319
Speaker 4: I I just I put someone on, like it's a

2100
01:36:58,319 --> 01:37:01,000
warm hug, it's an album that's you the entire time

2101
01:37:01,039 --> 01:37:03,680
and just reassuring you that everything's going to be all right.

2102
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 2: See.

2103
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 5: I really like Ashanoid, but well, until this week, I

2104
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,720
thought I was a one album man for them. Air

2105
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:15,680
is sublime. I think it's fucking brilliant. The other two

2106
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:20,159
are merely absolutely lovely. I very rarely go back to them,

2107
01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:24,600
but they're very good. But they just haven't entered my

2108
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,520
listening rotation. If I want to listen to Ashanoid, like

2109
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,319
I say, there was only one album always went for.

2110
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,439
I think this is far and away their best record

2111
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,960
since then. I've expected to come on here and go, yep,

2112
01:37:37,039 --> 01:37:39,920
you know this band, really interesting band. I don't think

2113
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:41,520
they're going to touch their debut, but this is another

2114
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,119
fine record. I'm not someone who has a huge appetite

2115
01:37:44,119 --> 01:37:47,239
for this sort of thing all the time. It's very clean, breezy,

2116
01:37:47,319 --> 01:37:49,960
progressive metal. It's not the sort of thing that I

2117
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:55,119
have a bottomless pit of want for, but I I've

2118
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,159
loved listening to this record this week. It is It's

2119
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:01,520
just so nice. It's gonna be hard for review this

2120
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,840
because the sensation of it is hard to describe. It's

2121
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,159
just so deeply pleasant.

2122
01:38:05,319 --> 01:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, I'm gonna have a good crack

2123
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,960
at doing that. I think I've really enjoyed every Astronoid album.

2124
01:38:09,399 --> 01:38:11,640
I do like Again, there is because there's a difference

2125
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,479
in style. I think there is a bit of a

2126
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:16,399
there's a jump between Air and then all the albums

2127
01:38:16,399 --> 01:38:19,399
they've made since. But I remember liking you know, Radiant

2128
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:22,600
Bloom a good deal. But even though you know, they

2129
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,000
felt really comfortable and in command of their sound at

2130
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,199
that point, the big hit of songs on it didn't

2131
01:38:27,239 --> 01:38:29,279
necessarily stay in my rotation as much as even like,

2132
01:38:29,279 --> 01:38:31,239
you know, the previous album. And from there I kind

2133
01:38:31,239 --> 01:38:33,199
of thought, Okay, you know, Asternoid are what they are now.

2134
01:38:33,279 --> 01:38:34,600
They finessed their sound.

2135
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,199
Speaker 2: They are so.

2136
01:38:36,399 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Unique and so laudable in that sense, but I don't

2137
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:41,359
necessarily how many more surprises we're going to.

2138
01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:43,079
Speaker 2: Get from them, and.

2139
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: They could become one of those bands where it doesn't

2140
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,399
ssarily matter if they repeat themselves too much because no

2141
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:49,039
one else is doing it. And then I heard star God, which,

2142
01:38:49,359 --> 01:38:51,760
while not feeling I guess entirely out of the ordinary

2143
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,920
for Asterrooid, it's still the same kind of you know, bouncy, poppy,

2144
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,079
proggy metal. There are sounds in this and approaches in

2145
01:38:58,119 --> 01:39:00,800
this that made me, you know, they gave me enough

2146
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,680
pause to go God damn it, they've done it again

2147
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,319
and slot out a review slot for it here, because

2148
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,640
I mean, just as the immedia again another kind of

2149
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,600
for fans of to get people on board who don't

2150
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:12,439
know them. If you like Devin Townsend at his most

2151
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:17,079
kind of melodically explosive and driving I'm thinking Addicted or

2152
01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:20,640
Eper Cloud or the more sane songs on Ziltoyd the Ogiscient,

2153
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,680
then you have to listen to this band because above

2154
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,119
anybody else in our audience, that is who this is for.

2155
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:27,399
Speaker 2: Right.

2156
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 1: If you haven't already heard it, you've got to catch

2157
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,479
on because there's no one else who even approximates that

2158
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,479
sensation to the degree that asterronoid are. There are so

2159
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,680
many people I see it all the time who go, oh,

2160
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,319
Addicted is one of my favorite records.

2161
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:40,520
Speaker 2: Ever.

2162
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:42,079
Speaker 1: I wish we'd get some more of that, and the

2163
01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:44,199
last couple Devin records, right, they haven't really hit that.

2164
01:39:44,279 --> 01:39:46,279
But there is a band under your nose here who

2165
01:39:46,279 --> 01:39:48,800
are doing something sort of similar whilst having enough of

2166
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,520
their own spin. And what they've done here is they've

2167
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,560
got this foundation that they've always had of like kind

2168
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,840
of bubbly prog thrash guitars, right, Like this slash metal

2169
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,880
is an actual thing here, but with these radiant pos

2170
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:03,840
vocal melodies like we're talking about now, they've pumped it

2171
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,279
up full of this like eighties stadium rock sensibility. Tell

2172
01:40:07,319 --> 01:40:10,680
me there isn't some fucking aya the Tiger bon Jovi

2173
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,920
Death Leopard sort of energy about this one.

2174
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 2: At times.

2175
01:40:14,199 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 4: My reference point for that was the eighties Transformers animated movie.

2176
01:40:18,079 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't think that's inaccurate.

2177
01:40:21,359 --> 01:40:24,560
Speaker 4: Honestly, there are songs like Third Shot that just pops

2178
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,479
off of those like over driven eighties like rock guitars,

2179
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,960
and that the way it just builds them like this

2180
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:33,800
is like Optimus Prime speeding down to rescue the autobots

2181
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,520
like in the movie. Like if you watch the movie,

2182
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:38,199
I'm sure some people will know the exact kind of

2183
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,479
sound them talking about. But it's it's you're right, it

2184
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,640
is that, and they you know that with the simps

2185
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:49,079
and all that, it's so constantly explodes with just soaring,

2186
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:54,039
awe inspiring melodies and and just sound like the biggest

2187
01:40:54,039 --> 01:40:56,520
thing ever just taking off into space on every song.

2188
01:40:57,159 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 5: I mean, pop has always been a factor in their songwriting.

2189
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,840
The melodies have always been out of this world. But

2190
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:06,319
this really feels like the modern case of when all

2191
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:08,840
of the sixties and seventies prog bands went pop in

2192
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,880
the eighties, like when Genesis did Land of Confusion, Yes

2193
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,319
Do An Owner of a Lonely Heart, King Crimson going

2194
01:41:14,359 --> 01:41:17,479
yacht Rock, Pink Floyd doing Learned to Fly You Rush,

2195
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,760
the eighties rush albums, those bands forever reason all decided

2196
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,359
to make some of the most euphoric rock music that's

2197
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:28,119
ever been made. After stretching it to its absolute limit,

2198
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,720
Ashnoid have kind of they're channeling some of that energy

2199
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,479
in the same way that Cobe did on A Column

2200
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:34,760
Before the Sun, which is still my favorite record of theirs,

2201
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:36,840
and it's been a long time since I've heard another

2202
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:40,800
record that does a similar thing to that, and that

2203
01:41:41,239 --> 01:41:44,039
I do have a bottomless appetite for. I can listen

2204
01:41:44,039 --> 01:41:46,800
to that sort of thing all the time. This record,

2205
01:41:47,159 --> 01:41:49,680
by just tightening up the songwriting and getting punchy with

2206
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:53,319
the guitars, it's so again I do like those last

2207
01:41:53,359 --> 01:41:55,760
two Asternoid records, this one is so much more ear

2208
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:59,720
catching and addictive than anything they've done since the debut.

2209
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:02,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first song when it embark has that kind

2210
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:04,760
of when you say easy Coore Sam just that like

2211
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,960
bouncy guitar melody that's honestly so from that kind of space.

2212
01:42:08,079 --> 01:42:10,359
But then these twin harmonies open up and they do

2213
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:13,920
capture the feel of like riding the curve of like

2214
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:18,560
an asteroid belt or the ripstream of Optimus Primes engine

2215
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:20,960
right by what I imagine that feels like I've never done it,

2216
01:42:21,079 --> 01:42:24,439
but it's you know, fast and dazzling and wondrous, right

2217
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:26,800
like they go for wonder more than most things that

2218
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,439
have like an eighty thrash metal sort of engine. And

2219
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:32,119
I love how genuinely ripping their guitars can be. But

2220
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:34,560
you always forget because they just fit so seamlessly into

2221
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:39,039
like the breezy melodic approach the riff throughout Love Weapon, which,

2222
01:42:39,079 --> 01:42:41,279
by the way, Love Weapon a big year for those

2223
01:42:41,319 --> 01:42:43,840
between this and Ghosts Love Rockets, you know, but you

2224
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,479
know the kind of rare company of that kind of

2225
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:49,079
band in terms of like contemporary bands, I agree doing

2226
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:53,359
that like pomp bombastic pop metal like this, you know,

2227
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:57,800
and this has an album it's got that aor arena

2228
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,479
pop side to it where they've always been such a

2229
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,800
fun bag influences from like thrash to emo, but here

2230
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,800
they've got this like synthpop thing at times where you go, yeah,

2231
01:43:07,279 --> 01:43:10,000
it makes sense that Astronoid would love Duran, Duran and

2232
01:43:10,039 --> 01:43:12,560
depeche Mode and stuff. It just maybe hasn't been as

2233
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,680
on the surface as it is here because the title

2234
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:18,760
track massive eighties synthpop feels straight away that makes it

2235
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:22,239
their most workout montage track they have done to date,

2236
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,279
in the same way when you hear like Lakrima b

2237
01:43:24,319 --> 01:43:26,199
goes from their new record and those synths come in,

2238
01:43:26,279 --> 01:43:29,319
it's so excessive and so colorful in that way. And

2239
01:43:29,359 --> 01:43:31,119
that was the point in this album where I went, oh,

2240
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:33,520
I see what we're doing on this album. This is

2241
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,640
something new for you here where that is a song

2242
01:43:36,039 --> 01:43:37,920
I would love to hear on the end credits of

2243
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:39,680
an eighties movie in the same way that your Ghosts

2244
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:41,880
or whatever kind of have done. And you know, speaking

2245
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:43,840
of top Gun earlier, all of the solos on this

2246
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,039
are top Gun as fuck star Gods one particularly.

2247
01:43:47,079 --> 01:43:49,159
Speaker 4: I mean the solo at the end of Love Weapon.

2248
01:43:49,319 --> 01:43:51,640
I was like, oh, you're accelerating off the Moon album,

2249
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:55,039
but Star God Joomp Cole eighty six, like the shred

2250
01:43:55,279 --> 01:43:57,199
on the solo on that one, Like when they are

2251
01:43:57,239 --> 01:44:00,399
like shredding, I'm like throw the horns to that. Like

2252
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,159
there's so many just like fun turns you mentioned like

2253
01:44:03,319 --> 01:44:05,319
Depeche Moden. Does it get more like on the nose

2254
01:44:05,359 --> 01:44:08,359
than Depressed Mode adding in that kind of like eighties

2255
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,479
goth synth at times, like and just having that kind

2256
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:14,159
of like like cool vibe on it as well. Like

2257
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:17,000
there's so there's just so many fun elements they constantly

2258
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:20,199
throw into like keep these songs that are again just

2259
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,760
all crescendo all the time, feeling fun and fresh.

2260
01:44:24,079 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Depressed Mode has the air of a

2261
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,520
joke working title that never got changed, you know, because

2262
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:31,439
it's got a kind of pulsy, dusky synth I really like.

2263
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:33,279
I also think that has one of the best choruses

2264
01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:35,920
on the album. Yeah you'll remember, and the third shot

2265
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,119
really jump out to me. Depressed Mode also has come

2266
01:44:39,159 --> 01:44:40,960
of this like almost like tool like kind of alt

2267
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:42,640
metal riff or something that turns up in the bridge

2268
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:44,319
that like really smacks your teeth out and it's fun

2269
01:44:44,359 --> 01:44:48,000
but the chorus is between that and Third Shot. Third

2270
01:44:48,039 --> 01:44:51,279
Shot is like night Flight orchestral ready with the synth

2271
01:44:51,359 --> 01:44:53,600
rock cut of feel. It has those as a sort

2272
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,680
of zill toyed e guitar accents that come in in

2273
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,279
the second verse. It goes full Metallica chug on the

2274
01:44:58,319 --> 01:45:01,760
bridge and killer hook at the center of it, which

2275
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,680
does that great thing where it gets even better halfway

2276
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:05,920
through the chorus when it hits there.

2277
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:08,520
Speaker 2: But worst of all, like You're a gun in for

2278
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:09,920
those high notes right there with him.

2279
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: I think that that is a contender, certainly for the

2280
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,279
best song they've done since there.

2281
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 2: It's if you had.

2282
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 5: Like a scale and on one end is Jimmy World

2283
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:21,640
and on the other is strapping Young Lad. It's like

2284
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,800
the idea that there's something in the middle of those

2285
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:25,399
two things.

2286
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: Surely that makes everyone want to listen to this record.

2287
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,760
Surely no one can hear that and go I'll skip that.

2288
01:45:30,359 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, surely no one's left out.

2289
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 5: I don't want to listen to either of those, like

2290
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:38,159
come on, pull yourself together, and the guitar work on

2291
01:45:38,199 --> 01:45:41,359
this record is I don't want to say else this

2292
01:45:41,399 --> 01:45:43,479
world gig because it sounds like a ship pun I'm

2293
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:47,640
trying to make, yeah.

2294
01:45:44,399 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: But.

2295
01:45:46,039 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 5: It is outrageous. Like on the title track it sounds

2296
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,000
like Eddie van Halen has joined Thin Lizzy to play

2297
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:56,319
on China Sound, which is just as a pitch as

2298
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,359
basically as good as it's possible for big rock guitars

2299
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,239
to And then I'll get it on Explosive when it

2300
01:46:02,279 --> 01:46:05,479
goes full like U four eighties Yes Ballad the way

2301
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:09,079
on their pop songs they managed to like Trojan Horse

2302
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:12,920
like really clever stuff using the guitars that never feels

2303
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:16,039
like it detracts from it. It's I'm not sure there's

2304
01:46:16,039 --> 01:46:17,880
anyone else doing it to their standard right now.

2305
01:46:18,039 --> 01:46:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the opening run I think is absolutely killer Depressed

2306
01:46:21,279 --> 01:46:23,199
Mode I would say as my second half highlight. The

2307
01:46:23,279 --> 01:46:26,640
last track, Arrival basically acts as like Embark reprise, you know,

2308
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:28,439
kind of book ends the album with the same kind

2309
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:30,520
of riffs coming back in. Throughout all of it, you

2310
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,680
do have these like big spacey keyboard lines. Explosive has

2311
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,960
an absurd synth solo which big thumbs up for all

2312
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,439
the way through, it's like infectious, it's rocking out and

2313
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:44,119
it's incredibly non zeitgeisty again, right, and there's just something

2314
01:46:44,119 --> 01:46:48,479
it's so real about committing so hard to being flagrantly

2315
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:52,279
pop like this, whilst also knowing it's got nothing to

2316
01:46:52,319 --> 01:46:54,119
do with where the actual mainstream is right now. You know,

2317
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:57,279
it's just pure for the love of the game pop songs.

2318
01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:59,600
And you know, if you're loving sangle Wore two and

2319
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:04,079
you want even more eighties cheese, non zeitgeist, brilliantly crafted

2320
01:47:04,119 --> 01:47:07,359
heavy networ kind of throwbacks like this, then on top

2321
01:47:07,359 --> 01:47:09,199
of all the other superlatives and kind of hooks we

2322
01:47:09,279 --> 01:47:11,680
tried to dangle difrately your face for it. There's another one,

2323
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:15,520
Astronoid star God. Next review comes from a band called

2324
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:19,279
home Front, and the album is called Watch It Die.

2325
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 2: Sam.

2326
01:47:20,079 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 1: This is a name that you brought up last week

2327
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:24,680
when this album was released, and while I was ignorant

2328
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:26,880
to them prior to last week, I have also seen

2329
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,279
a few other people throughout the week raving about this,

2330
01:47:29,319 --> 01:47:31,319
and so I thought I'll check this out. Who are Homefront?

2331
01:47:31,319 --> 01:47:32,239
How did they come to your radar?

2332
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:34,640
Speaker 4: They came onto my radar last Friday when I was

2333
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:36,479
just looking for albums to listen to and I saw

2334
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:38,760
this and was kind of like, okay, post punk, that's

2335
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,560
kind of like they've been adjacent to some hardcore bands.

2336
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,399
I like, just give this a spin. And I was

2337
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,359
kind of like, oh, post punk, but we like that

2338
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:48,760
kind of like synth punk thing that I've really enjoyed.

2339
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,560
We seeing a bunch of kind of like pop elements

2340
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:52,640
thrown in there as well. It's a real grab bag

2341
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:54,920
of different things I've been enjoying recently that just came

2342
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:56,319
together and I was, I think people are gonna are

2343
01:47:56,359 --> 01:47:56,960
gonna dig this.

2344
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're from Canada and they are I think

2345
01:48:00,039 --> 01:48:01,800
there's a live band on record. I think they're listed

2346
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:04,239
as being a two piece. They formed in twenty twenty,

2347
01:48:04,319 --> 01:48:07,399
so there's still you know, a current decade new band.

2348
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:11,560
This is their second album. And in when we say

2349
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,920
post punk and when we say synth punk and stuff,

2350
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,680
there's particularly now in kind of the twenty twenty is

2351
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,319
a whole large realm of all those things. And when

2352
01:48:19,359 --> 01:48:22,720
you think about sort of you know, experimental hardcore adjacent stuff,

2353
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:26,720
I suppose you might think about there's that whole sort

2354
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:30,279
of Y two K almost dig hardcore. You know, we've

2355
01:48:30,359 --> 01:48:32,560
sort of spoken brief about bands like MS Paint and

2356
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:35,920
stuff like that before, you know, stuff that is quite

2357
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,840
zeitgeisty and experimental corners of hardcore lately. This is much

2358
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:44,680
less that and much more eighties sheen on top of

2359
01:48:45,319 --> 01:48:49,680
a kind of core engine of proper punk rock where

2360
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:55,199
it is decently experimental post punk. But it's much more

2361
01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:57,119
than what I was kind of just describing. It's much

2362
01:48:57,159 --> 01:49:01,039
more like a new order even like pet Shop Boys or.

2363
01:49:01,079 --> 01:49:03,279
Speaker 3: The new wave sort of thing going on with it.

2364
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, with this sort of synth pop element on top

2365
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:11,359
of genuinely an oil band. Yeah, right, Like I saw

2366
01:49:11,359 --> 01:49:16,439
a video earlier of this band covering Cocksparrow and considering

2367
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:17,960
we a lot of this, we are going to be

2368
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:21,479
describing full on fucking you know, like doing the robot

2369
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:24,720
on the dance floor eighty since stuff. Try to before

2370
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,520
you've heard this record, try to amalgamate in your mind

2371
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,560
what you think those things sound like in one record.

2372
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,880
And I mean, like the cover of this album, just

2373
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:35,800
in a pure design sense, kind of caught my attention

2374
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:37,119
in terms of, oh, that looks like the sort of

2375
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:39,840
the vaguely gothy, new romantic sort of stuff that I

2376
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:40,920
could be into.

2377
01:49:41,319 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 2: But I was not.

2378
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:46,199
Speaker 1: Prepared really for the melding of approaches on it.

2379
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:50,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's fair because again I kind

2380
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:51,960
of like went in blind just thinking this was gonna

2381
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:53,760
be a sort of a post punk record, and then

2382
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:57,760
I was when that synth dropped like halfway through the

2383
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:01,239
opening track, I was like, hey, that's a different like

2384
01:50:01,319 --> 01:50:03,520
kind of like flavored to do it. And they just

2385
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,000
kind of constantly throw these little like curve balls about

2386
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,119
the almwhere like it's got that militaristic kind of like

2387
01:50:09,239 --> 01:50:12,800
post punk menace at times, mixed with like really bubbly

2388
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,039
like disco simps or beats thrown over it, and it's

2389
01:50:16,359 --> 01:50:20,159
that might sound quite contradictory, but it goes surprisingly well together.

2390
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have to tell you, with that kind

2391
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:26,880
of combo of you know, pop and punk, this record

2392
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,479
is so up my street. In the last twenty four

2393
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:32,000
hours or so, I have gotten obsessed with this album.

2394
01:50:32,079 --> 01:50:34,119
I've listened to this about four times today.

2395
01:50:35,039 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 5: I've only imagined to hear this once, and it was

2396
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:40,079
on my way driving home for this and I missed

2397
01:50:40,079 --> 01:50:43,239
my exit because I was having such a nice My

2398
01:50:43,359 --> 01:50:46,520
views are not any more developed than that, but honestly,

2399
01:50:47,319 --> 01:50:49,159
you wouldn't think based on how nice we've been about

2400
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:53,680
Creeper Asenoid andrain just today. But the eighties throwback thing

2401
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:56,920
is something that I've said before. I'm kind I'm kind

2402
01:50:56,920 --> 01:51:00,399
of like at the edge of moving on from and

2403
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,039
then an now I'm like, this comes along and I go,

2404
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:04,840
there's a reason why people still draw on that sound,

2405
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:06,880
and why that sounds still sounds fresh, and why it

2406
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:09,640
is still so much fun to listen to this. Like

2407
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:14,600
you say, this combination of things eighties new wave, not

2408
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:18,399
fully like goth rock or the stuff that inspires synthwave,

2409
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:21,479
but proper something that was very distinct to the eighties

2410
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:25,399
with OI, it doesn't compute in my head. I get,

2411
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:27,640
like I said, I've only given this one listen. It

2412
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,439
was so exciting hearing those two things work.

2413
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I think just one thing I would say is,

2414
01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:36,960
while obviously this is very you know, it's drawing off

2415
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,680
sounds of a certain era and classic sounds, it still

2416
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,399
feels so contemporary in terms of it doesn't feel like,

2417
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,079
for example, like a pastiche or a kind of a

2418
01:51:44,079 --> 01:51:49,000
retro throwback. It feels so based in legitimate underground subculture,

2419
01:51:49,079 --> 01:51:52,439
right like bringing together punk and industrial and goth and

2420
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:54,199
these kind of things. Anything that's a bit left a center.

2421
01:51:54,359 --> 01:51:56,439
I think this is like probably one of the coolest

2422
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:57,920
you know, newer bands that we've had on here in

2423
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:04,399
reviews in a bit, because this absolutely crackles with that.

2424
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:06,960
The title track opens it and at first you wouldn't

2425
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:08,479
think of that kind of synth pop thing that I'm

2426
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:10,439
talking about because it's it's a sort of oi punk

2427
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:12,800
song at first, right or even you could almost describe

2428
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,960
it as like a sort of heartland rock kind of

2429
01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:18,159
song where there are moments of this on that record

2430
01:52:18,199 --> 01:52:20,000
where I can totally see Sam for example, you like

2431
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:21,119
really clicking with that's.

2432
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:23,640
Speaker 4: Got that quite stirring heartland rock fing going to which

2433
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:26,560
I really like. I mean, like Light Sleeper has that

2434
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:28,760
We're Born Alone we Dial on chorus, which is pure

2435
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,239
like americanas or heartland rock thing.

2436
01:52:31,279 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 3: I love that shit.

2437
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 1: That is incredible, that oi punk hook of We're Born

2438
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:38,640
Alone we Die Alone and it's so bleak, but it

2439
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:40,640
also sounds so ralliant.

2440
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:42,119
Speaker 4: But you don't have to live alone like that, and

2441
01:52:42,199 --> 01:52:44,439
they follow it that and that's where again that that

2442
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:48,079
feeling like it finds like a real thing, like just

2443
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,640
like nihilism and optimism where it is like quite a

2444
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:53,640
bleak amra point because it is, you know, dealing with

2445
01:52:54,399 --> 01:52:56,359
the current state of the world, but it's trying to

2446
01:52:56,439 --> 01:53:00,000
find pockets of optimism within that, which I think carry

2447
01:53:00,199 --> 01:53:00,640
the album.

2448
01:53:01,279 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again the lyrical sentiments that keep coming through

2449
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,319
and through in terms of that really really pop, dark,

2450
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,800
sort of post punk that's also joyous like a punk

2451
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,279
rock band is what you have on For example, a

2452
01:53:13,279 --> 01:53:15,439
song like Light Sleeper, that song is kind of magic.

2453
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:17,520
Another one that really got me straight away was Kiss

2454
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:21,039
the Sky, which just has the biggest sort of pet

2455
01:53:21,039 --> 01:53:23,800
shop boys beat and it's so into the kind of

2456
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,920
retro pop like that one's one for my new over

2457
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,880
testamental heads, you know, like if you are not done

2458
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:29,439
saying to that.

2459
01:53:29,359 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 2: Song, what are you doing?

2460
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 1: And some of these keys lines like between the Waves

2461
01:53:34,039 --> 01:53:37,600
are the most like early eighties like Vince Clark era

2462
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:40,600
Depeche Mode shit that you've ever heard, while also having

2463
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:44,039
those big, kind of almost heartland rock guitar chords beneath them.

2464
01:53:44,079 --> 01:53:47,520
Eulogy has like the lush warmth of the Cure whilst

2465
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,800
also feeling like a rock song in that sense. I

2466
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:54,279
love the drum programming. I love when there are other

2467
01:53:54,319 --> 01:53:57,079
songs like New Madness and Young Offender when you get

2468
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:00,199
this hard, insistent industrial beat and on top of these

2469
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:03,439
other things we're talking about, it's suddenly like eighties Ministry

2470
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:05,079
when it still had a bit of the pop pedch

2471
01:54:05,359 --> 01:54:09,720
turns up with this really like hyper nervous energy in

2472
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:13,800
the beats and these you know, industrialized oi hooks with

2473
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:15,840
you know on New Madness, Dance for the Leader, do

2474
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:16,760
the police.

2475
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 4: Beat, dancing with anxiety and Young Offenders the one for

2476
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:24,960
me of like hitting that, that's what that and young

2477
01:54:25,039 --> 01:54:27,000
Offender young Friend of thet keep on moving to the

2478
01:54:27,039 --> 01:54:30,000
beat like gives death my futures one foot in the

2479
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,119
gravey like young Afriend. It's such a hard song, but

2480
01:54:33,159 --> 01:54:36,960
it's got again. This is incessant kind of like dance

2481
01:54:37,039 --> 01:54:39,840
beat to it. That that that really hits. Like I mean,

2482
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:42,399
if you like you know, high Veers and Military Gun

2483
01:54:42,399 --> 01:54:45,520
and those kind of like hardcore adjacent lights or bands,

2484
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:47,920
this has that sort of thing to it as well.

2485
01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:50,199
But like whereas you know, you kind of felt the

2486
01:54:50,199 --> 01:54:53,600
Military Gun album was kind of sparse and lacking. I mean,

2487
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:57,119
this feels so many of those gaps that like a

2488
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:00,319
military Gun are missing out on so.

2489
01:55:00,359 --> 01:55:02,199
Speaker 1: Far from it in that sense, the variations of the

2490
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:05,560
album Young Offender vocally when he turns on the kind

2491
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:09,600
of the growl on it legitimately sounds like Battle Ruins,

2492
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:13,079
the band who I brought up before as being one

2493
01:55:13,079 --> 01:55:15,520
of my absolute favorite kind of niche poles from this world,

2494
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,439
but in like the Matrix because it is synth Battle

2495
01:55:19,479 --> 01:55:22,279
Ruins and that makes no fucking sense, but I've heard

2496
01:55:22,319 --> 01:55:24,000
it now and it's brilliant.

2497
01:55:24,119 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 3: It's so good rock and roll all this way, Oh

2498
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:31,439
my god, like.

2499
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:35,159
Speaker 2: Starts with a fucking piano slide. How good is that?

2500
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,359
And then when you want the full on punk stuff

2501
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:43,319
for the children brackets fuck all. That chorus of fuck

2502
01:55:43,399 --> 01:55:46,600
all is all that's left for us, honestly one of

2503
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:50,199
the most joyous punk choruses I have heard in god

2504
01:55:50,319 --> 01:55:51,239
knows how long.

2505
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:54,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so tough to pick a favorite song from

2506
01:55:54,079 --> 01:55:57,880
this album because there's so many, but always like it

2507
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:00,039
kicks in, and that's another where you can you I

2508
01:56:00,079 --> 01:56:02,239
feel that that touch a hardcore where you can tell

2509
01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:04,359
they're kind of adjacent to that scene where they've got

2510
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:07,039
a real like bit between their teeth and they're going

2511
01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:10,560
hard but throwing in again these just amazing synth melodies

2512
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:14,000
and one of the best chorus is like, it's so good.

2513
01:56:14,399 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 1: I straight away I want to see this live so badly,

2514
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:20,760
because you can in the UK. You can imagine them

2515
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:25,800
playing like two Thousand Trees or Outbreak or fucking like

2516
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,039
super Sonic, like one in the Midlands where God Flesh

2517
01:56:28,039 --> 01:56:30,560
and Backwards play or whatever, like anywhere where punks and

2518
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:32,920
sort of freaks and just sort of these again left

2519
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:35,359
field musical cultures are intermingling.

2520
01:56:35,399 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 2: I've seen it.

2521
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 1: They're playing London in February, and I'm really fucking annoyed

2522
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:42,319
because I'm want. I'm just I'm honestly, I've been listening

2523
01:56:42,359 --> 01:56:46,000
to this album intensively for about twenty four hours and

2524
01:56:46,359 --> 01:56:50,319
I am immediately so enamored with this. I just know

2525
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:52,800
this is like for the next however long, I am

2526
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,079
going to be stuck on this. This is again we

2527
01:56:55,119 --> 01:56:58,079
added this very last minute to the review schedule, but

2528
01:56:58,119 --> 01:57:00,880
I'm so glad we caught it. This album is so

2529
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:04,960
fucking good, right, I insist that people listen to it

2530
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,239
if you are interested in any of either of these

2531
01:57:07,279 --> 01:57:09,239
sort of realms that we're talking about here. And I

2532
01:57:09,239 --> 01:57:10,399
went and checked out a bit of their first ab

2533
01:57:10,479 --> 01:57:12,079
as well, from twenty twenty three because I'm so enamormed

2534
01:57:12,119 --> 01:57:15,119
with this one and it's good, but this is great.

2535
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:17,279
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I'm saying like I threw it in the

2536
01:57:17,279 --> 01:57:19,000
disco because I was like half from my post was like, no,

2537
01:57:19,199 --> 01:57:22,840
people need to hear this because it's really cool. And again, yeah,

2538
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:25,039
I went back into other peoples one that's cool, but

2539
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:27,359
this is this is that step up and I hope

2540
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:30,000
this catches on because it is such a like again

2541
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:32,600
there are banging kind of like say like, oh, if

2542
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:35,640
you like ms Paint, if you like Minting, you probably

2543
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:37,319
will like this as well. But it's so much more

2544
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:40,560
adventurous and just kind of like one of a kind

2545
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,000
in that sort of field that I mean, if you're

2546
01:57:43,039 --> 01:57:45,159
looking at them, that is more ambitious beyond the kind

2547
01:57:45,159 --> 01:57:48,000
of melodic punk bands that are adjacent to hardcore.

2548
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 3: This has like so much more going on.

2549
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:56,119
Speaker 1: It's so so bubbling with life and ideas and elliot. Again,

2550
01:57:56,159 --> 01:57:57,439
I wasn't sure if you're gonna have the time to

2551
01:57:57,720 --> 01:57:58,960
get this one, but I'm glad you giving it one

2552
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,600
spin because I was like, you will like as well, right,

2553
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:04,680
Dance synth Oil, What a fucking incredible concept that's us

2554
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:05,319
all over right.

2555
01:58:06,199 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, again, like I very nearly didn't because I thought

2556
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:12,680
I've you know, I've got a lot, I'll maybe get

2557
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:13,199
a listen to it.

2558
01:58:13,239 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 2: But we'll see.

2559
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:17,199
Speaker 5: I can't fathom that I maybe would have let this

2560
01:58:17,239 --> 01:58:19,319
slip because I might have had a reason to go

2561
01:58:19,439 --> 01:58:21,640
back to it, you know, after this show. And now

2562
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:22,960
it's like, I feel like I've got a whole new

2563
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,439
album to spend the rest of the year discovering.

2564
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:25,039
Speaker 2: It's.

2565
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:28,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, full house, this thing is superb.

2566
01:58:28,359 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2567
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:31,119
Speaker 1: This band called home Front the albums watch it die

2568
01:58:31,359 --> 01:58:33,000
from where I'm sat right now, I think it is

2569
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:34,960
one of the best kind of newer bands we have

2570
01:58:35,039 --> 01:58:38,199
had on the reviews show all through this year, and

2571
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:39,840
it's here on the final one. But do not let

2572
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:43,640
it slip by you. Our last two album reviews of

2573
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:45,279
the year. As it turns out, we are now going

2574
01:58:45,319 --> 01:58:47,640
to black metal both in some ways you could say,

2575
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:50,039
of a more eccentric variety. We're starting with our maybe

2576
01:58:50,039 --> 01:58:53,520
safer ground here. Lamp of Murmur is first up. This

2577
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,600
album is called The Dreaming Prints in Ecstasy. Lamp of

2578
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:59,560
Murma are one of my favorite bands of the twenty twenties.

2579
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:02,640
I think really the one man project The man in question,

2580
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:06,359
known as MS, has blazed from where I've sat as

2581
01:59:06,399 --> 01:59:09,680
well one of the most impressive trails across the underground

2582
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:11,560
in this decade, with a series of releases that have

2583
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:16,560
evidenced one of the most dynamic, versatile, and naturally gifted

2584
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,079
artists playing in the realms of kind of low fi

2585
01:59:19,159 --> 01:59:22,560
black metal in a scene that has so so many chances.

2586
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:24,319
I don't need to tell you right that so many

2587
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:26,760
For the past five years, he has been the guy

2588
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:29,079
I've looked to and gone, that's the guy, because the

2589
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:32,359
spark and the ingenuity in what he's doing is just

2590
01:59:32,439 --> 01:59:35,960
on another level. He started off playing very raw, low

2591
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:39,279
fi black metal that also kind of gradually developed this

2592
01:59:39,439 --> 01:59:44,640
goth sensibility, giving it this kind of vampiric black metal feel,

2593
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:47,319
like dark Throne dancing with Suzi and the Banchees in

2594
01:59:47,319 --> 01:59:51,000
some Transylvanian cave. That is like my very favorite stuff.

2595
01:59:51,039 --> 01:59:53,399
He's done, the stuff with that particular kind of duality

2596
01:59:53,399 --> 01:59:56,279
of flavors. The debut era of Ecliptical Romanticism would be

2597
01:59:56,279 --> 01:59:58,439
one of my key picks for the best black metal

2598
01:59:58,439 --> 02:00:02,079
albums of the last decades. Then suddenly, with last albums

2599
02:00:02,119 --> 02:00:05,960
Attorney in Bloodstorm pivoted into this style of essentially on

2600
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:09,600
that album extreme immortal worship, with this greater sense of

2601
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:12,600
like heavy metal triumph in it and this sense of

2602
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:15,319
the epic, but still with his kind of natural flair

2603
02:00:15,399 --> 02:00:19,039
for very catchy riff writing. Intact, that album picked up

2604
02:00:19,039 --> 02:00:21,239
a few more fans who weren't necessarily tuned into the

2605
02:00:21,479 --> 02:00:24,359
early ones and Sam. We also, for example, saw Lampa

2606
02:00:24,439 --> 02:00:27,279
Murmur live together at Incineration festivals this year in his

2607
02:00:27,359 --> 02:00:29,680
cape and you were like, you know what that was sick.

2608
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 4: I mean, the last album got me more in on it,

2609
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:34,960
and then seeing it, lads, we're like, you know, I'm

2610
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,760
now fully in on, like exactly the sort of the

2611
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,119
vibe that like he is bringing with.

2612
02:00:40,079 --> 02:00:41,159
Speaker 3: The Lamp of Mumber project.

2613
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,199
Speaker 1: Yes, and now fourth full length of Dreaming Prince in Ecstasy.

2614
02:00:45,279 --> 02:00:47,279
I was obviously very curious where we go next, because

2615
02:00:47,279 --> 02:00:50,840
we have these almost two kind of different poles of

2616
02:00:50,920 --> 02:00:55,359
what had been so far, with the extremely victorious, heavy

2617
02:00:55,399 --> 02:00:58,560
metal laced Nordic feel of the last album and then

2618
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,199
the more shadowy goth energy of the earlier stuff, and

2619
02:01:01,319 --> 02:01:04,039
this album kind of marries pieces of the two, but

2620
02:01:04,119 --> 02:01:06,319
also while very much being its own thing again and

2621
02:01:06,359 --> 02:01:09,960
for such a varied output now at this stage so consistent.

2622
02:01:10,439 --> 02:01:12,119
This is once again one of the black Mattle albums

2623
02:01:12,119 --> 02:01:13,920
of the year. From where I'm at, I also think

2624
02:01:14,119 --> 02:01:17,079
this is the biggest undertaking of any Lamp record to date.

2625
02:01:17,159 --> 02:01:18,640
Like we'll get to the fact that there is a

2626
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:21,359
twenty two minute three part suite in a bit, but

2627
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:23,880
he seems to have thrown everything at the wall on

2628
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:26,840
this record, and if you are anything like me, that

2629
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:27,359
is a bit.

2630
02:01:27,279 --> 02:01:30,399
Speaker 5: Of a feast when you think about this. This is

2631
02:01:30,439 --> 02:01:33,680
the fourth Lamp of Murmur record in five years, and

2632
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:39,119
it's this ambitious and this far reaching, this eccentric and

2633
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:44,279
just like dense with musical ideas and content. It's this

2634
02:01:44,680 --> 02:01:47,439
this album. Listening to it, you think this should have

2635
02:01:47,439 --> 02:01:50,279
taken those five years on its own. Yeah, And so

2636
02:01:50,359 --> 02:01:52,640
that he's been doing so many different things along the way,

2637
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:54,439
It's not like they've been he's been doing the same

2638
02:01:54,439 --> 02:01:54,880
album over.

2639
02:01:55,159 --> 02:01:57,359
Speaker 1: Even in other fucking projects and other albums that he's

2640
02:01:57,680 --> 02:01:58,600
under different names.

2641
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:02,640
Speaker 5: I know, But and listen, I love the previous Lamp

2642
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:05,039
of Murmur records as soon as I laid eyes on

2643
02:02:05,079 --> 02:02:07,439
this one. Oh and this is probably gonna be my

2644
02:02:07,439 --> 02:02:11,039
favorite the name the Dream Prince and Ecstasy Sublime. I mean,

2645
02:02:11,239 --> 02:02:14,319
talking about favorite black met outfits of the twenty twenties,

2646
02:02:15,079 --> 02:02:17,399
I think the only one I'd have over Lamp of

2647
02:02:17,439 --> 02:02:20,560
Moment is Departure Chandelier, right, And this just looks like

2648
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:25,319
a Departure album, Like similar album cover, similar fonts. It

2649
02:02:25,439 --> 02:02:28,560
pulls from precisely the strain of epic raw black metal

2650
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:33,039
that I do have a real affinity for. I am

2651
02:02:33,079 --> 02:02:34,079
so taken with this.

2652
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this album is quite something. I mean I've said

2653
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:39,760
that about every single Labum Moment album, so I'm not

2654
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:41,520
going to bother ranking them right now in that way.

2655
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:43,880
But I don't disagree with a lot of what you said.

2656
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:46,479
Speaker 4: I think you were saying, But it's kind of like

2657
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,359
melding the sort of the two sort of ten boles

2658
02:02:48,359 --> 02:02:50,920
has gone down. It's why I've kind of like found

2659
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:52,640
this to be the lamb of album I've had the

2660
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:55,880
best time with. I've really kind of gone on board

2661
02:02:55,920 --> 02:03:00,640
with this sweeping, epic, sort of gothic thing, like like

2662
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:02,800
you have those like Coo instructory track, but then Forest

2663
02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:07,720
for Loose Nations, you know, that is like a big

2664
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:10,640
undertaking for an opener kind of it just like heavy

2665
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:13,960
metal bomb basted with like gothic keys. It's got those

2666
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,039
sort of symphonic elements thrown all over it as well.

2667
02:03:16,039 --> 02:03:20,680
It is like grandiose as hell while still sounding extreme

2668
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:24,399
and intense. It's a really impressive opener. And I mean

2669
02:03:24,479 --> 02:03:26,840
like not to like ranging them like like what we

2670
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:29,520
talked about, you know, Laura Shrum, like the Sympolicgamon's being

2671
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:33,000
so constantly overbearing and and they're never kind of.

2672
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:34,359
Speaker 3: Being in the space and anything settle.

2673
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:38,600
Speaker 4: The symbolic elements here feel really well integrated, and they're

2674
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:41,399
like they sound huge when they come in, but there's

2675
02:03:41,399 --> 02:03:43,479
so much other stuff going on around them. There's much

2676
02:03:43,479 --> 02:03:45,560
more texture to the song, and it just it makes

2677
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:48,239
the whole thing kind of stand out more and feel

2678
02:03:48,279 --> 02:03:49,720
more memorable as a whole, even if it's you know,

2679
02:03:50,359 --> 02:03:53,079
like what nine minutes as a black male epic to

2680
02:03:53,159 --> 02:03:55,159
open the record, and I was kind of like that

2681
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:57,039
flew by to me because there was so many cool

2682
02:03:57,079 --> 02:03:58,760
things constantly catching my ears.

2683
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:02,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, this album is It's spookier than Saturnian Bloodstom, that's

2684
02:04:02,199 --> 02:04:05,159
for sure, because I love no matter what he's doing,

2685
02:04:05,239 --> 02:04:08,119
how much Lap Records go to kind of just immersing

2686
02:04:08,199 --> 02:04:10,640
you in some kind of otherworldly realm. It's part of

2687
02:04:10,640 --> 02:04:13,359
what black metal is all about. And this one it's

2688
02:04:13,399 --> 02:04:16,159
like you're in some kind of decaying, old, abandoned opera

2689
02:04:16,199 --> 02:04:18,760
hall or something like. It's more baroque than Saturnian Bloodstore,

2690
02:04:18,760 --> 02:04:22,840
which again was very like icy Landscape. This that kind

2691
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:24,520
of feels like it's sort of like horn throwing heavy

2692
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:28,960
metal album. This has not necessarily lost the accessibility that

2693
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:31,359
that record brought. Sonically, it's a different corner of it.

2694
02:04:31,359 --> 02:04:33,079
It's not so you know, at the heart of Winter,

2695
02:04:33,159 --> 02:04:36,479
but that specific style of like late nineties going into

2696
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:39,039
the millennium black metal production when it was more grandiose

2697
02:04:39,079 --> 02:04:41,520
in the early nineties stuff, but while still not feeling

2698
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:44,399
exactly modern. I like that he's still playing around in

2699
02:04:44,399 --> 02:04:46,319
that kind of feel, but a different area of it

2700
02:04:46,359 --> 02:04:49,039
because you have an album that feels, you know, looming

2701
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:52,960
and imposing, sort of bridging that gap between hulking and

2702
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:57,560
then really shadowy and evil. That creaky, clinky horror piano

2703
02:04:57,640 --> 02:05:01,760
intro is so good when that melody just gets picked

2704
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:04,199
up without a beat by the intro riff of first

2705
02:05:04,239 --> 02:05:06,880
song proper and there are licks for days on this thing,

2706
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:09,560
and that song Forest Hallucinations was the one released ahead

2707
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:11,199
of the album, and I was like, hello, because this

2708
02:05:11,239 --> 02:05:14,720
is something different again where it's got those incredibly catchy

2709
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:16,359
guitar lines, which is just one thing that I think

2710
02:05:16,399 --> 02:05:18,279
he's absolutely they came off right now. It's got the

2711
02:05:18,319 --> 02:05:20,840
one double bass part at the beginning of it. It's

2712
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:22,560
also got that kind of, you know, some of those

2713
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:24,920
still very thrashy and more all type riffs that make

2714
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:27,079
you want to wear a chain mail. But it's got

2715
02:05:27,079 --> 02:05:31,840
those ghostly symphonic black metal piano lines running all over

2716
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:34,560
its rifts in that real late nineties manner. And when

2717
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:38,039
you hit the big like synth string that sweeps that

2718
02:05:38,119 --> 02:05:40,520
almost serve as percussions, smashing it into the rift right

2719
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:45,439
when it goes don like I love that sound so much,

2720
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:49,319
Like it's so grotesquely bombastic, I just want it injected

2721
02:05:49,399 --> 02:05:53,279
into me. Compositionally, these songs are phenomenal. Forester Hallucinations is

2722
02:05:53,399 --> 02:05:57,359
nine minutes long, and each riff flows so naturally. Six

2723
02:05:57,399 --> 02:05:59,359
minutes in, it's slipped into one of their disco beats,

2724
02:05:59,399 --> 02:06:02,439
and you almost notice because of how smoothly it's progressive.

2725
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,119
Speaker 5: They've done a lot in their short career, but I'm

2726
02:06:05,159 --> 02:06:07,239
not sure they've ever written songs that feel so much

2727
02:06:07,399 --> 02:06:11,720
like avalanches of riffs, where like classic metal songs in

2728
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:13,479
the nineteen eighty so we just got it's just one

2729
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:15,680
incredible riff after the other, like the one that opens

2730
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:18,560
the song after the fires induction, which I need to put.

2731
02:06:19,079 --> 02:06:21,000
A good intro track can do so much for a

2732
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,359
black metal record, and so many bands just go, let's

2733
02:06:23,399 --> 02:06:26,000
just alternate two notes on the Casio keyboard and that'll

2734
02:06:26,039 --> 02:06:28,359
be fine, and normally, to be fair, I agree with them.

2735
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:32,319
So it just tickles my brain. But having something that's

2736
02:06:32,319 --> 02:06:36,760
so you know, dramatic and stirring and opening up with

2737
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:40,319
that mandatory suicide tritone riff.

2738
02:06:40,199 --> 02:06:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think what it sounded like, and

2739
02:06:42,439 --> 02:06:44,279
it does have that almost like classic just kind of

2740
02:06:44,319 --> 02:06:46,439
air again you know something has arrived, and that's a

2741
02:06:46,439 --> 02:06:47,560
good comparison point.

2742
02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:50,920
Speaker 5: It's so attention grabbing on the scale of something like

2743
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:54,239
you know when you first put on a Behemoth record

2744
02:06:54,319 --> 02:06:57,399
and it just feels stately and it commands your attention

2745
02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:00,479
in a way that often these underground rale black metal

2746
02:07:00,479 --> 02:07:04,479
bands don't even necessarily try to this song, the way

2747
02:07:04,479 --> 02:07:10,680
it also makes between Ethereal Emperor worship and those blasts

2748
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:13,479
of early Immortal. As a black metal fan, you go,

2749
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:16,439
what's not to like? And then they still find space

2750
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:19,720
for them to put their own twist on black metal

2751
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:22,960
in there. It's not pure pastiche HARKing back to these

2752
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,760
classic bands in the nineteen nineties. It sounds like Lamp

2753
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:26,239
from Murmur.

2754
02:07:26,359 --> 02:07:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean hate Gate great name is some of

2755
02:07:28,439 --> 02:07:31,680
their most like unrelenting dark throne blasting in a while

2756
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:34,199
with this kind of thick you know, war machine rift,

2757
02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:37,239
this like spiked gauntlet heavy metal feel, but also the

2758
02:07:37,279 --> 02:07:38,920
hardcore kids. He like, this band could kind of two

2759
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:40,960
steps to that part a little bit. Something that he

2760
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:42,920
gets that I think a lot of black metal forgets

2761
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:46,159
is that black metal riffs can actually be extremely head bangable.

2762
02:07:46,479 --> 02:07:49,680
Like it's not a lightning tremolo blur or just a

2763
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:53,600
dissonant fuzz. They're like primarily grooving things even But when

2764
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:55,319
you are thinking that that song is just a rift

2765
02:07:55,359 --> 02:07:57,479
storm of very high quality black metal riffs, which it

2766
02:07:57,479 --> 02:07:59,920
could just be and still be awesome, six minutes in,

2767
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:05,600
the most insane fucking keyboard pan pipe effect comes in

2768
02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:09,159
and I swear my soul leeds my body at that moment,

2769
02:08:09,399 --> 02:08:11,880
sounds like that out of that like outrageous, you know,

2770
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,920
limbonic art, Old Man's Child kind of playbook is so

2771
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:18,920
my shit. And then before you know it, he's actual

2772
02:08:19,039 --> 02:08:22,039
crooning over that part. And this is where I start

2773
02:08:22,039 --> 02:08:25,279
to go. If you've never wondered what nineties Dimu Borgir

2774
02:08:25,439 --> 02:08:27,600
or Emperor would sound like if they were more into

2775
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:30,560
the Sisters of Mercy and Dead Can Dance, we now

2776
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:33,840
have an album that answers that question, and it's so

2777
02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:37,359
like fired up and creative finding the ways to bring

2778
02:08:37,399 --> 02:08:38,199
those strands together.

2779
02:08:38,520 --> 02:08:40,079
Speaker 4: I think, hey, my my favorite so one of the

2780
02:08:40,119 --> 02:08:42,520
album because it's just it's so hard to begin with.

2781
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:45,720
It is like jam packed with so many riffs, and

2782
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:47,520
soon like and He's kind of new Year comes in.

2783
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:50,279
It feels like an interesting change. It's always moving forward.

2784
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:53,000
And then like when I was gonna like yeah, cool,

2785
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:55,560
and then when that sort of gothic shift happens, I

2786
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:58,319
was like, ah, man, you you pulled that out of

2787
02:08:58,359 --> 02:09:01,359
your like hardest song than you are now throoning in

2788
02:09:01,399 --> 02:09:05,439
like pure melancholy, such a cool vibe shift. I was

2789
02:09:05,479 --> 02:09:08,199
like the craft of the as well as I really

2790
02:09:08,199 --> 02:09:10,319
admire the song craft that he can put into these songs,

2791
02:09:10,319 --> 02:09:14,920
where these feel like interesting compositions. They're long, but I

2792
02:09:15,039 --> 02:09:17,319
never plume myself and sort of looking at the sort

2793
02:09:17,359 --> 02:09:19,399
of I didn't know when that sort of shift happened

2794
02:09:19,399 --> 02:09:20,600
to the song because I'm never looking at the sort

2795
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:23,079
of the length fix. I'm just I'm so immersed, I'm

2796
02:09:23,079 --> 02:09:27,039
so enjoying every new strand that he's kind of like pulling.

2797
02:09:27,399 --> 02:09:30,600
And again though, just that those aggressive blasts that come

2798
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:34,319
at the start, they are so like almost disarmingly chaotic

2799
02:09:34,319 --> 02:09:36,720
and unhinge in the way that someone's like when the

2800
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:38,439
blasts are like, yeah, well there's just a blastbeak. This

2801
02:09:38,439 --> 02:09:40,920
film's like it's going that step even harder before you

2802
02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:43,159
hit these song headbanger rifts.

2803
02:09:43,319 --> 02:09:45,960
Speaker 3: It just keeps these songs feel so interesting at all times.

2804
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:49,000
Speaker 5: And I think the reason why they sound so cohesive

2805
02:09:49,079 --> 02:09:52,119
is because even when they're being really heavy and really nasty,

2806
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:57,159
they're still fun. Well, that main rift that keeps occurring

2807
02:09:57,159 --> 02:10:00,119
through the song, that's pure under a funeral moon. But

2808
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:02,760
it's not even you said, discord it. It's not even

2809
02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:06,319
that it's more like umpa, it's just it's so buoyant

2810
02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:08,800
and jubilant when it's going along, but then when that

2811
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:13,119
riff comes in at the end, it's it's borderline industrial

2812
02:10:13,399 --> 02:10:15,880
everything hitting it once it almost sounds like Ramstein. And

2813
02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:18,439
then they follow that with some of the like summoning

2814
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:22,439
cassio worship that I happen to, like it's it's just

2815
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:24,720
as a song, it's such a grab bag. And then

2816
02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:28,800
for that's going to Reincarnation of a Witch, which is

2817
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:31,520
one of the most attic Lampo Murma songs maybe ever.

2818
02:10:32,720 --> 02:10:35,880
It's such as it's funny that there's a twenty two

2819
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:37,840
minute song still to come and already you go, this

2820
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:41,079
might be the most maximalist piece of run of songs

2821
02:10:41,159 --> 02:10:42,319
as bad as ever put together.

2822
02:10:42,399 --> 02:10:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Reincarnation of a Witch.

2823
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:46,680
Speaker 1: He's been playing live basically pretty much since the last

2824
02:10:46,720 --> 02:10:48,920
album came out, Like he played that incineration when we

2825
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:52,000
saw him just rampaging as you say, even dare I

2826
02:10:52,039 --> 02:10:55,199
say a bit of a vocal hook with the yeah,

2827
02:10:55,319 --> 02:10:57,880
like you know, croaked out by this fucking toad, But

2828
02:10:57,960 --> 02:11:00,359
it is a hook, right, And the first time he

2829
02:11:00,399 --> 02:11:03,000
does that, when it then switches open into this like

2830
02:11:03,159 --> 02:11:06,640
skeletal death rock guitar part that is such like a

2831
02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:09,000
perfect swerve at the perfect moment where it switches from

2832
02:11:09,039 --> 02:11:13,159
that like kill mode to dance mode essentially so efficiently,

2833
02:11:13,560 --> 02:11:15,800
and that side ay of the record right these like, yeah,

2834
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:18,479
you know, handful of incredibly high standard as they have

2835
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,600
been Lampemurma tracks with a few new strings to their bow.

2836
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:25,239
Great Side B after another sensational pampipe interlude where I

2837
02:11:25,319 --> 02:11:27,960
agree even going back to like the earliest records, Lampa

2838
02:11:28,039 --> 02:11:32,439
Murma had the spooky interlude shit absolutely down. But Side

2839
02:11:32,439 --> 02:11:34,520
B is primarily taken up by the title track of

2840
02:11:34,520 --> 02:11:37,560
this record, The Dreaming Prince in Nestsasy, separated into three

2841
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:42,079
parts labeled Moon Dance, Twilight, Orgasm and the Fall, and

2842
02:11:42,159 --> 02:11:44,560
collectively it's far and away the most ambitious thing that

2843
02:11:44,600 --> 02:11:47,960
Lampe Murma has done today, and it is the goth

2844
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:51,920
second wave black metal fusion epic that I don't know

2845
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:53,359
if the world has been crying out for it, but

2846
02:11:53,399 --> 02:11:53,600
I have.

2847
02:11:55,720 --> 02:11:57,159
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've been crying out for it,

2848
02:11:57,239 --> 02:11:59,600
but turns out I'm here for it. I like, yeah,

2849
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:01,000
twenty minute, three parts.

2850
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:03,319
Speaker 3: A week because again, each part feels really distinct.

2851
02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:06,680
Speaker 4: Moon Dances like got these amazing melodic riffs, like they

2852
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:09,880
sound so good, like the keys going full on Phantom

2853
02:12:09,880 --> 02:12:12,880
of the Opera towards the end, like it is such

2854
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:14,039
a momentous, real ride.

2855
02:12:14,199 --> 02:12:17,439
Speaker 1: The main riff in part one is actually it's a

2856
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:21,800
grooving goth rock batcave dance floor part, so much so

2857
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:24,399
that it sounds like the New AFI album, Like those

2858
02:12:24,479 --> 02:12:26,760
songs that Jade's doing on the New Fi album when

2859
02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:29,079
it goes full, like you know, skeleton on the dance floor,

2860
02:12:29,159 --> 02:12:32,439
That's exactly what this riff sounds like. And it embellies

2861
02:12:32,479 --> 02:12:35,840
that with these like fist pump, heavy metal chugging parts

2862
02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:39,039
so expertly that you think it was not unusual for

2863
02:12:39,039 --> 02:12:40,439
those two things to go together.

2864
02:12:40,399 --> 02:12:42,800
Speaker 5: And then for like the clean vocals to coming towards

2865
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:46,479
the end again drawing on that new wave goth influence

2866
02:12:46,520 --> 02:12:49,279
that we know is so present in this band anyway,

2867
02:12:50,199 --> 02:12:52,600
And it's on a song which has pulled from things

2868
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:55,720
like Iron Maiden and classic black metal, And you're right,

2869
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:58,920
it doesn't sound incohsive. There's no element of this where

2870
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:01,560
you're going, Wow, what a wacky combination. I can't believe

2871
02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:04,039
they've brought those two things together. Isn't that hilarious. It's like, no,

2872
02:13:04,159 --> 02:13:08,439
this is just a completely coherent sound. And then for

2873
02:13:08,479 --> 02:13:10,720
it's going to the second part, a lot of the

2874
02:13:10,720 --> 02:13:12,960
way it just it switches gears because it repeats some

2875
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:15,720
of the same motifs, but it slams the brakes on

2876
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:19,000
it and it becomes this kind of like a brooding

2877
02:13:19,079 --> 02:13:22,560
ballad where the guitar work beyond even things that iron made.

2878
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:25,640
It sounds like Eric Johnson. It's soaring.

2879
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:25,960
Speaker 2: I mean.

2880
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:29,680
Speaker 1: Part two is like primarily the instrumental changeover, but it

2881
02:13:29,800 --> 02:13:33,319
goes so field of the nephylin and that kind of

2882
02:13:33,359 --> 02:13:37,079
the complete passage through a nocturnal dream world of their

2883
02:13:37,079 --> 02:13:38,840
Elysium album, which is one of the best things a

2884
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:40,560
song could do. And when that song did that at

2885
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:42,920
that moment, and I was just like, I am, I'm

2886
02:13:42,920 --> 02:13:44,880
on the same page of what we're doing here. The

2887
02:13:45,079 --> 02:13:49,359
slow pulsing build up, the pulling you through from one

2888
02:13:49,399 --> 02:13:51,840
side into something else, that's something like that record from

2889
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:54,520
them does with all of those sounds swirling around you.

2890
02:13:54,720 --> 02:13:57,800
And then part three you get like the Dark Incarnate

2891
02:13:57,960 --> 02:14:02,399
Reborn with like the Malevola black metal leads rising out

2892
02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:04,479
of that. There's one riff in there around the kind

2893
02:14:04,479 --> 02:14:06,600
of two minute mark that's almost folky.

2894
02:14:06,279 --> 02:14:09,039
Speaker 2: But it's so regal and evil.

2895
02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:11,079
Speaker 1: At the same time. It cuts exactly the way I

2896
02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:15,600
wanted to. And then the harps accord, like, oh shit,

2897
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:17,920
who did we forget to invite to the party? Who

2898
02:14:18,119 --> 02:14:21,119
we haven't we had already, someone's missing, that's right, the

2899
02:14:21,199 --> 02:14:22,239
harps accord.

2900
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:24,199
Speaker 2: Come on in light this bad boy up and boy

2901
02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:24,560
does it.

2902
02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:30,319
Speaker 5: I was so happy. I was already I was already

2903
02:14:30,319 --> 02:14:32,199
having a good sign. I said that Barock flares to

2904
02:14:32,199 --> 02:14:34,680
this record is already charming me. The one thing it

2905
02:14:34,760 --> 02:14:37,680
needed in the final stretch before it changes gears again

2906
02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:41,880
on the final track was just some like harps arecord

2907
02:14:41,960 --> 02:14:45,279
ripping and then that juxtaposed with these choirs that sound

2908
02:14:45,319 --> 02:14:48,960
like they're offered lost a Arcturus record. It's just the

2909
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:52,840
most climactic, wild shit. It's spectacular.

2910
02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:55,720
Speaker 4: It just it's like everything that's kind of been a

2911
02:14:55,720 --> 02:14:57,920
part of lamp Murmur. I think before I'm just gonna

2912
02:14:57,960 --> 02:15:00,359
go like this is almost like the great It hits

2913
02:15:00,399 --> 02:15:02,720
kind of collection of all my ideas coming together for like,

2914
02:15:03,279 --> 02:15:05,079
it feels like this is must He must have poured

2915
02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:07,960
so much time over and again clearly not because it's

2916
02:15:07,960 --> 02:15:11,239
comes so soon after the last album, but this is

2917
02:15:11,279 --> 02:15:12,880
like one of those probably magnum.

2918
02:15:12,520 --> 02:15:15,439
Speaker 3: Opus epic tracks where he's do that again.

2919
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:18,600
Speaker 4: I might, in other hands find a little bit graating

2920
02:15:18,840 --> 02:15:20,359
and not something that I can go along with. But

2921
02:15:20,399 --> 02:15:23,920
because there's such confidence and such kind of like strong

2922
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:27,359
compositional feeling to all, I'm so in on all of it.

2923
02:15:27,399 --> 02:15:30,119
So when you're getting Harper scored and opactic vocals, it

2924
02:15:30,279 --> 02:15:32,359
just feels so right in the vibe of the song

2925
02:15:32,399 --> 02:15:33,399
and the journey you've gone on.

2926
02:15:34,039 --> 02:15:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then it has one last little part in Gift,

2927
02:15:36,479 --> 02:15:39,520
which is the final track, which has credited backing vocals

2928
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:42,920
from ket Iraq, which is another current black metal project

2929
02:15:43,039 --> 02:15:45,119
of the other way, Abu lapbamur Is and also Frankie Ero,

2930
02:15:45,439 --> 02:15:49,439
who has been Lampe Murmur's probable highest propile supporter. There's this,

2931
02:15:49,479 --> 02:15:52,720
you know, kind of melodic backing, kind of quiet chemical romance.

2932
02:15:52,720 --> 02:15:53,920
Speaker 3: Please, that would be so funny.

2933
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw Lampa Mamba and Devil Master together

2934
02:15:57,640 --> 02:15:59,520
if you just had that exact same build, but Michael

2935
02:15:59,640 --> 02:16:03,640
Correa afterwards turn up with it. But that closer is

2936
02:16:04,279 --> 02:16:08,720
a straight up dead can dance style melodic, Gothic, kind

2937
02:16:08,760 --> 02:16:12,439
of medieval folk truck again in the way that, for example,

2938
02:16:12,439 --> 02:16:14,760
a recent touch point stuff like Bird of Prey or

2939
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,199
Spear of Truth from that newest AFI record is kind

2940
02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:19,279
of in that realm. There are these parallels here, but

2941
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:23,439
this is as a record like it's just catnip for me.

2942
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:26,600
He is a master of the craft. This is expertly done.

2943
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,079
You won't have heard another black metal album this year

2944
02:16:29,119 --> 02:16:31,000
that sounds like it, even as so many parts of

2945
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:34,280
it do feel classic, and personally I'm very happy to

2946
02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:36,360
hear the goth elements coming back into the four for

2947
02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:39,719
the Lampa Murmur, even as this feels spiritually maybe still

2948
02:16:39,719 --> 02:16:41,680
closer to the last album in terms of its big

2949
02:16:41,719 --> 02:16:45,200
sound and more colorful production than the earlier stuff. But

2950
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:46,840
I agree, like, you know, fuck it, if you've heard

2951
02:16:46,840 --> 02:16:50,799
Behemoth or Demi Borgi or Emperor or you know, Satiricon

2952
02:16:50,920 --> 02:16:53,680
or whatever, there's not much going on in the underground

2953
02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:56,360
right now that is this is better than this. He's

2954
02:16:56,360 --> 02:16:57,959
still evolving and it still rips.

2955
02:16:58,600 --> 02:17:02,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I this thing is absolutely wonderful. It's sometimes hard

2956
02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:04,120
for albums that come out later in the year to

2957
02:17:04,319 --> 02:17:07,440
really make their mark as highlights of the year as

2958
02:17:07,479 --> 02:17:11,719
a whole. I'm certain I'll be talking about this album

2959
02:17:11,719 --> 02:17:14,959
next month and possibly later in that episode if I

2960
02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:17,120
continue to if it continues to grow on me as

2961
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:19,959
it has done this week, I am totally enamored with it.

2962
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was one that again I saw the release

2963
02:17:21,639 --> 02:17:23,319
date and I was like, I will be looking forward

2964
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:25,760
to that one the whole way. And it is certainly

2965
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:27,559
one of the best black metal albums of the year.

2966
02:17:27,559 --> 02:17:30,440
And it's nice again to end to have our final reviewpisode.

2967
02:17:30,440 --> 02:17:32,520
I'd be talking about one of the best black metal

2968
02:17:32,520 --> 02:17:35,600
albums of the year in it our final album review

2969
02:17:35,719 --> 02:17:38,719
of the whole year. Though this is so good that

2970
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:41,879
it's turned out this way comes from Master's Hammer and

2971
02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:45,239
an album that's called Malderow Disco. Now, I am aware

2972
02:17:45,360 --> 02:17:47,920
how kind of indulgent on the surface this appears to

2973
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,600
put two underground black metal albums in a row at

2974
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:53,639
the end of this month, but park those thoughts one

2975
02:17:53,680 --> 02:17:57,319
second hold on. I put this album on the review

2976
02:17:57,319 --> 02:18:01,719
schedule before hearing it a couple months ago on the

2977
02:18:01,799 --> 02:18:05,840
soul strength of the single and accompanying music video that

2978
02:18:05,879 --> 02:18:08,479
came with it for the song Beast Within from this

2979
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:10,920
When this was announced, which let's just say that video

2980
02:18:11,239 --> 02:18:15,239
gave me pause. And when I saw that this album

2981
02:18:15,319 --> 02:18:17,719
was coming out right at the very end of November.

2982
02:18:17,719 --> 02:18:19,680
This album comes out on the twenty sixth, bizarrely, but

2983
02:18:19,680 --> 02:18:22,239
in you know, the final week of November, when almost

2984
02:18:22,280 --> 02:18:25,120
all other releases have slowed down. I was like, get in,

2985
02:18:25,319 --> 02:18:28,879
we will have reviewspace around there for this, because oh

2986
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:31,920
my god, this is not here as a black metal

2987
02:18:31,959 --> 02:18:34,360
pick in the way that Lampa Murmur is here. This

2988
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:39,159
is here as a wild card pick. This is here

2989
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:45,680
as a torture sam pick. Maybe in part Elliott, Yes,

2990
02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:48,440
Let's talk about massus Hammer context a little bit first,

2991
02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:51,440
because massus Hammer are at least at one point and

2992
02:18:51,479 --> 02:18:54,879
in some shape or form, a black metal band from

2993
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:58,760
the Czech Republic with an incredibly rich legacy. Their history

2994
02:18:58,840 --> 02:19:01,000
stems back to the late nine teen eighties and they

2995
02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:05,959
are maybe the most kind of quintessential name when it

2996
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:09,520
comes to the the Koukia side of black melt. I guess,

2997
02:19:09,520 --> 02:19:13,239
particularly coming out of places like Central Europe, there's something

2998
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:17,319
about the region there that just breeds eccentricity in these bands.

2999
02:19:17,360 --> 02:19:19,520
So when we look at acts like Malacarpatan for example,

3000
02:19:19,559 --> 02:19:23,120
today and that kind of cheeky forest goblins and a

3001
02:19:23,159 --> 02:19:26,159
drunken stupor in the woods kind of creatively unhinged demeanor

3002
02:19:26,200 --> 02:19:28,680
which we raved so much about on that last Malacarptan record.

3003
02:19:29,079 --> 02:19:30,879
Both of us had that in our favorite records of

3004
02:19:30,920 --> 02:19:34,360
that year. That's a very Masters Hammer kind of heritage

3005
02:19:34,399 --> 02:19:36,760
that they're they're, you know, kind of following on through there.

3006
02:19:37,399 --> 02:19:38,399
Speaker 2: Their early work.

3007
02:19:38,239 --> 02:19:41,440
Speaker 1: Master's Hammer is seminal. Their debut album, Ritual, which came

3008
02:19:41,479 --> 02:19:44,280
out in early nineteen ninety one, has been described by

3009
02:19:44,280 --> 02:19:47,559
Fenris of Dark Throne as the first Norwegian black metal album,

3010
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:50,159
despite it being check so in many ways, if you

3011
02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:53,159
were to look at black metal in the nineties solely

3012
02:19:53,239 --> 02:19:55,920
just looking at the Scandinavian bands, they would be one

3013
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:59,079
of the most important, primary missing links that you would

3014
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:02,559
miss out on doing. Even if everything we are going

3015
02:20:02,600 --> 02:20:06,239
to talk about sounds insane to you, you should go

3016
02:20:06,319 --> 02:20:08,639
hear those albums if you want to have a simply

3017
02:20:09,319 --> 02:20:13,440
a better picture and a better understanding of black metal history.

3018
02:20:14,040 --> 02:20:17,120
But that is just the beginning of the Master's Hammer story.

3019
02:20:17,879 --> 02:20:21,239
Speaker 5: See Master's Hammer are a band which I've been meaning

3020
02:20:21,319 --> 02:20:23,559
to go all in on for a while because, like

3021
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:25,840
you say, Ritual is a classic album, and there are

3022
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:28,280
bands that I love who cite it, and as far

3023
02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:31,680
as eccentric, off the wall extreme metal of the late

3024
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:33,440
eighties and nineties goes, which is a thing that I

3025
02:20:33,479 --> 02:20:36,879
have a massive affinity for. Masters Hammer one of the

3026
02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:40,040
few major bands that I had left to go in on.

3027
02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:42,159
So when you said, oh, we're doing a Masters Hawer,

3028
02:20:42,200 --> 02:20:45,520
I thought, oh, fantastic. I will listen to their new album,

3029
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:47,399
I'll be familiar with their debut, and then I'll be

3030
02:20:47,399 --> 02:20:51,200
able to connect that. There cannot be dots between these

3031
02:20:51,799 --> 02:20:52,479
It doesn't.

3032
02:20:52,239 --> 02:20:52,920
Speaker 2: Make sense to me.

3033
02:20:54,840 --> 02:20:58,479
Speaker 5: This is an insane leap that we're talking about. It

3034
02:20:58,520 --> 02:21:01,520
has to be, I said. So when we decided we

3035
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:03,159
were doing this, I was curious because I thought, what

3036
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:05,280
is it about this band? I know that like they're

3037
02:21:05,639 --> 02:21:07,639
in the underground, they're very revered, but I thought they're

3038
02:21:07,639 --> 02:21:10,280
going to be pushing out some bigger things, even if

3039
02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:13,200
it's at the end of the year. And after Parrinoid

3040
02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:15,959
did the record for the Damnation of You last week

3041
02:21:16,239 --> 02:21:18,200
and I mentioned that I wasn't that familiar with Master's Hammer,

3042
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:20,479
but I was looking forward to this album. A glee

3043
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:24,760
which worked across your face. Yes, And then when the

3044
02:21:24,799 --> 02:21:27,319
email came through of the promo and I read the

3045
02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:32,680
word disco, I really then started to wonder where this

3046
02:21:32,840 --> 02:21:33,200
was going.

3047
02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you said to me, I only know ritual,

3048
02:21:35,799 --> 02:21:37,280
I was like, ah, so you're not aware that Just

3049
02:21:37,319 --> 02:21:40,719
two albums later they made their initial swan Song, almost

3050
02:21:40,799 --> 02:21:45,120
a joke album of nightmarishly avant garde headache circus music

3051
02:21:45,239 --> 02:21:48,440
versions of European folk songs, including a Chuck Berry cover.

3052
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:51,760
I was going to say, are you looking at the

3053
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:54,000
thirty years in between the two albums you've heard going,

3054
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:58,120
how the fuck did they chan? Maybe that's a fun

3055
02:21:58,159 --> 02:22:00,559
way to spend the Christmas break, you know, because trust me,

3056
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:05,319
this band are Wild and Master's Hammer have broken up

3057
02:22:05,399 --> 02:22:07,600
or gone on hiatus several times. I kind of got

3058
02:22:07,639 --> 02:22:10,079
into them around the mid twenty tens when they were active,

3059
02:22:10,079 --> 02:22:11,840
putting out a couple albums at that point, but then

3060
02:22:11,879 --> 02:22:14,000
they seem to retire. Around of twenty twenty, they did

3061
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:17,840
one of their various farewell performances only to reveal actually

3062
02:22:17,879 --> 02:22:19,760
they've not broken up. They've got more to offer, and

3063
02:22:19,799 --> 02:22:23,559
the album that's materialized is Malde or Disco, which the

3064
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:25,440
fact that this is not only what we are here

3065
02:22:25,440 --> 02:22:27,559
to cover, but the context that this is a comeback

3066
02:22:27,639 --> 02:22:31,760
album also next this one of the best things we

3067
02:22:31,799 --> 02:22:35,559
could be reviewing right now. I am elated. I'm so

3068
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:37,639
happy that it turned out this way, that this is

3069
02:22:37,639 --> 02:22:40,159
what we get to end our year of reviews on.

3070
02:22:40,399 --> 02:22:42,760
When they have a guitarist called necro Cock, for one,

3071
02:22:42,799 --> 02:22:46,600
thing like Eccentric does not begin to cover Master Hammer.

3072
02:22:46,680 --> 02:22:50,399
They are v do not give a shit band from

3073
02:22:50,520 --> 02:22:54,600
the black metal scene. This is not a black metal record.

3074
02:22:54,719 --> 02:22:59,760
I don't think. Maybe God fucking knows. The video single

3075
02:22:59,799 --> 02:23:03,559
that atracted my attention features essentially a Gangomaniacs in the

3076
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:08,239
wood and there is an extremely prominent ketar featured in

3077
02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:13,360
that video doing the most obnoxious synth riff and it

3078
02:23:13,559 --> 02:23:16,959
basically it looks and sounds like one of the most

3079
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:19,959
like one of the more insane Eurovision entries from the

3080
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:22,280
mid two thousands, when that kind of stuff was most rife.

3081
02:23:22,280 --> 02:23:23,879
When you see like compilation videos there it was like

3082
02:23:23,879 --> 02:23:26,079
two thousand and you know seven from Ukraine and it's like,

3083
02:23:26,079 --> 02:23:28,479
oh the fuck are these guys? Why are you why?

3084
02:23:28,600 --> 02:23:31,520
Like why do you look and sound this way? That

3085
02:23:31,959 --> 02:23:36,840
kind of being infected by the fungal infection of European

3086
02:23:36,879 --> 02:23:39,000
extreme metal, like it's from the Last of Us or something.

3087
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:41,079
Kind of sounds a bit like Lindermann that song like

3088
02:23:41,079 --> 02:23:43,399
his solo project, like when you have the most insane

3089
02:23:43,399 --> 02:23:46,040
eurodance bits filtered out with Ramstein into.

3090
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:47,840
Speaker 2: This like big, full on.

3091
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:54,399
Speaker 1: Keitar centric metal tune once again. I saw that video,

3092
02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:55,920
heard that song on the beat within, and I was like,

3093
02:23:56,520 --> 02:23:58,959
this is going in. I'm gonna surprise the others with this.

3094
02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:01,840
They won't know what the fuckers hit them, and I'm

3095
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:03,959
glad that it's basically turned out exactly as I thought

3096
02:24:03,959 --> 02:24:04,319
it would.

3097
02:24:06,319 --> 02:24:12,120
Speaker 5: I'll give them this. It's not background music. There is

3098
02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:14,760
there's no putting this on and making yourself some lunch

3099
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:17,920
tiding your flat. It probably isn't safe to operate heavy

3100
02:24:17,959 --> 02:24:21,200
machinery in the presence of this record. To use a

3101
02:24:21,239 --> 02:24:28,120
gen Z term, masters hammer are scaring the HUDs. Yeah,

3102
02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:32,840
I agree, off its fucking rock at this thing. I'm

3103
02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:35,840
really at a loss for how to describe things. The

3104
02:24:35,879 --> 02:24:37,959
only way you can really describe what the songs of

3105
02:24:37,959 --> 02:24:40,479
this sound like is just picking two like you've just

3106
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:43,639
done completely desparate things and saying, now, imagine those together,

3107
02:24:43,959 --> 02:24:47,559
and anyone listening is going to go I can't. That's

3108
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:50,079
that's that's going to be the experience of trying to

3109
02:24:50,479 --> 02:24:54,479
convey what this album is, because let's say it's it's

3110
02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:57,079
sort of Eurovision came up a lot more than I'd

3111
02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:04,079
anticipated an album that references throbbing gristle. This is an

3112
02:25:04,079 --> 02:25:07,600
album that meets those two worlds. And if you're down

3113
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:14,600
for it, which in theory I am, I have no

3114
02:25:14,760 --> 02:25:17,559
idea what quite what I think of this record. It's

3115
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:18,920
it's kind of broken my brain.

3116
02:25:20,440 --> 02:25:22,760
Speaker 1: I was hoping that would be the case, and you know, Elliott,

3117
02:25:22,799 --> 02:25:24,479
you and I can have some some sort of you know,

3118
02:25:24,959 --> 02:25:28,000
more more measured discussions about it. Maybe, Uh, Sam, I

3119
02:25:28,079 --> 02:25:29,559
knew what you'd think of it, and I, as you

3120
02:25:29,680 --> 02:25:31,799
put it earlier, I was rubbing my head together with glee.

3121
02:25:32,440 --> 02:25:35,680
Speaker 3: This is bottom ten albums you've ever made me review

3122
02:25:35,719 --> 02:25:36,399
on this? Well?

3123
02:25:38,680 --> 02:25:44,200
Speaker 4: Why genuinely Like I was trying to make notes on

3124
02:25:44,280 --> 02:25:46,799
this and I was like, this is this is futile.

3125
02:25:47,559 --> 02:25:51,680
There is no point, like, how do you the first

3126
02:25:51,799 --> 02:25:56,079
song when it's just like tuneless bleeps just happening before

3127
02:25:56,159 --> 02:25:59,319
tuneless vocals. I mean, I was like, oh, it's like

3128
02:26:00,079 --> 02:26:04,399
this album is just an unpleasant cophony of sounds happening.

3129
02:26:04,399 --> 02:26:05,559
Speaker 3: Over and over again.

3130
02:26:06,120 --> 02:26:08,319
Speaker 4: There are bits of like okay, that does sound a

3131
02:26:08,399 --> 02:26:13,000
bit like Ramstein, but with no weight and no atmosphere

3132
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:17,680
and just like trying to just sound abrasive and unpleasant

3133
02:26:17,680 --> 02:26:21,520
as possible. And that beast within song I couldn't stop

3134
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:26,000
laughing during that song, like I want to kill the

3135
02:26:26,079 --> 02:26:26,799
beast within me.

3136
02:26:27,639 --> 02:26:28,479
Speaker 3: Go ahead, like.

3137
02:26:28,559 --> 02:26:30,239
Speaker 1: Dam I put it to you that if that riff

3138
02:26:30,319 --> 02:26:32,120
was in a cross face track, you'd rate.

3139
02:26:32,079 --> 02:26:34,239
Speaker 3: It maybe, but.

3140
02:26:35,799 --> 02:26:40,879
Speaker 4: Like because there's others have going on there, Like the

3141
02:26:41,079 --> 02:26:46,120
vocals on this album are like just so unpleasant. They

3142
02:26:46,159 --> 02:26:49,520
are just not nice to listen to. They like where

3143
02:26:49,959 --> 02:26:52,280
but was actually trying to sing always as the kind

3144
02:26:52,319 --> 02:26:52,479
of like.

3145
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:56,959
Speaker 1: Weird kind of like not scream but not it's a

3146
02:26:57,040 --> 02:27:00,360
it's a croaky kind of black metal gobbl in sort

3147
02:27:00,360 --> 02:27:02,719
of voice, right, which is one thing they've never really

3148
02:27:02,799 --> 02:27:05,360
changed or gotten rid of that much with throughout their

3149
02:27:05,479 --> 02:27:08,600
their catalog. The first track is it's kind of like

3150
02:27:08,639 --> 02:27:11,399
a crowd rock thing, I suppose, but combined with like

3151
02:27:11,959 --> 02:27:15,559
full blown Eastern European techno music. And then you get

3152
02:27:15,639 --> 02:27:19,159
this like check speaking black metal voice enter and essentially

3153
02:27:19,239 --> 02:27:21,920
starts doing the robot over it, and Ellie, I thought

3154
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:23,760
about the amount of times you brought up Streeborg, and

3155
02:27:23,799 --> 02:27:24,799
I was just like, this is gonna be.

3156
02:27:25,079 --> 02:27:26,680
Speaker 2: This is like exactly, this is exactly the.

3157
02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:31,360
Speaker 5: Zone Streborg, because I vividly remember when I mentioned Streebog.

3158
02:27:31,399 --> 02:27:32,479
I think I was just saying nice about them, and

3159
02:27:32,559 --> 02:27:35,440
you laughed in my face. And here we are two

3160
02:27:35,559 --> 02:27:39,479
years later, basically listening to a Streeborg album. I mean

3161
02:27:39,559 --> 02:27:43,239
that first song sounds like if Census was made by

3162
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:44,159
Varga in prison.

3163
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:44,799
Speaker 2: It's like.

3164
02:27:49,559 --> 02:27:52,319
Speaker 5: It is if you had a Cassio keyboard and you

3165
02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:54,319
went through every single synth choice. I went like, which

3166
02:27:54,360 --> 02:27:57,319
one's the dorkiest, and went fine, whole album.

3167
02:27:57,159 --> 02:27:57,719
Speaker 2: Sounding like that.

3168
02:27:58,520 --> 02:28:01,319
Speaker 5: The guitars are pushed way in the back, but it's

3169
02:28:02,120 --> 02:28:04,239
he's desperate for the attention. He's covering the thing like

3170
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:09,559
pinched harmonics, which just sound insane. And it's so funny

3171
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:11,440
that he does that voice and goes, we should also

3172
02:28:11,479 --> 02:28:13,600
tune this. It's important to me that, oh my god,

3173
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:17,159
we really hit the right notes. It's like Franca, the

3174
02:28:17,239 --> 02:28:21,440
problem is more fundamental than listen. The voice in the

3175
02:28:21,479 --> 02:28:25,079
concept of a black metal record sounds great, but left

3176
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:29,000
out in the cold by these dorky cassio synthoos. It

3177
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:33,200
kind of exposes why that singing style isn't too popular.

3178
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:36,319
Speaker 1: This is muscle habber are not concerned with how popular

3179
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:38,479
they might be. This is something that only the most

3180
02:28:38,600 --> 02:28:42,559
galactic of Central or Eastern European mind would come out with.

3181
02:28:42,840 --> 02:28:46,600
And I'm part Hungarian, so something within me does stir.

3182
02:28:46,799 --> 02:28:49,959
I am caught within the tractor beam of the eurogoblin ray.

3183
02:28:50,040 --> 02:28:53,280
I mean even the title maldaror right, presumably referring to

3184
02:28:53,440 --> 02:28:55,959
the nineteenth century novel The Chance de Malderoor, which is

3185
02:28:55,959 --> 02:28:59,639
about a character rejecting kind of conventional Christian morality. Shamasha

3186
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:02,200
also doing a series of black male records about it.

3187
02:29:02,440 --> 02:29:05,719
And then disco. Right, he's evil and he's cutting shapes

3188
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:07,399
on the dance floor. Try and stop him. He's got

3189
02:29:07,440 --> 02:29:09,399
his flares on and he's too evil to care. And

3190
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:12,239
there are keyboards on this that sound It's that like

3191
02:29:12,440 --> 02:29:15,120
nineteen sixties idea of what the future sounds like, in

3192
02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:17,520
that you know, sort of craft work, the model kind of.

3193
02:29:17,639 --> 02:29:20,040
It's a lot about disco today, haven't we It's been

3194
02:29:20,040 --> 02:29:23,360
a very disco centric November for whatever reason. But it's

3195
02:29:23,479 --> 02:29:25,920
it is like kind of craft work as processed through

3196
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:28,239
the eyes of a you know, nearly forty years in

3197
02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:32,440
the European underground metal scene band or all of that

3198
02:29:32,520 --> 02:29:34,000
stuff that sounds like you're in a kind of like

3199
02:29:34,079 --> 02:29:37,479
retro future space observatory in the science.

3200
02:29:37,239 --> 02:29:38,959
Speaker 2: Museum, you know. And I'm into that.

3201
02:29:39,479 --> 02:29:41,799
Speaker 1: The whole album is that this very particular dance floor

3202
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:44,319
temper you mentioned the fucking throbbing gristle referenced with a

3203
02:29:44,399 --> 02:29:48,000
song called Genesis p Orrige with a big fuck off

3204
02:29:48,239 --> 02:29:51,399
synth riff, which is a little bit like eighties rush

3205
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:52,920
meets sixties doctor who.

3206
02:29:53,159 --> 02:29:55,200
Speaker 3: Like video game sounds.

3207
02:29:56,840 --> 02:29:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm having a decent time, and then take it on,

3208
02:30:00,280 --> 02:30:03,120
which I again, I say this with full sincerity. I

3209
02:30:03,399 --> 02:30:06,879
love the complete embrace of how dated these sins are

3210
02:30:06,920 --> 02:30:09,520
going to be. There is no concern to make this

3211
02:30:09,639 --> 02:30:12,280
grounded in twenty twenty five. Jordan Fish is nowhere to

3212
02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:15,479
be seen here. We have not even PS one since,

3213
02:30:15,559 --> 02:30:18,600
but like Sega Mega Drive since or something, and then

3214
02:30:18,639 --> 02:30:22,079
a croaky man crooning in check at you and like, yeah,

3215
02:30:22,120 --> 02:30:25,559
I'm well aware that combination of things, right, It's not conventional.

3216
02:30:25,639 --> 02:30:27,600
It's not going to be for everyone. That's also precisely

3217
02:30:27,639 --> 02:30:29,680
the reason that Marster's shammur A here forty years in

3218
02:30:29,799 --> 02:30:32,479
fucking trying it. I have no idea what is going

3219
02:30:32,559 --> 02:30:35,319
on with the high pitched backing vocals all throughout the album,

3220
02:30:35,639 --> 02:30:37,879
But the fact that I have no idea about them

3221
02:30:38,120 --> 02:30:39,200
kind of just makes me go with it.

3222
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:44,200
Speaker 5: That song sounds like if they were making a remake

3223
02:30:44,319 --> 02:30:47,799
of The Jetsons with no money, and to do the

3224
02:30:47,879 --> 02:30:50,360
theme song, they decide that it should be a collaboration

3225
02:30:50,479 --> 02:30:54,040
between my German great grandfather and the last living Castrato.

3226
02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:57,239
That is the sound of take It or Leave It.

3227
02:30:58,319 --> 02:31:01,239
The combination is so strange. Again, part of me ad

3228
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:03,440
mys it. Part of me is kind of enjoying the

3229
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:07,520
sixth thrill of it, but I'm not convinced it works

3230
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:07,959
per se.

3231
02:31:08,399 --> 02:31:10,879
Speaker 4: Trying to like round then the mindset they went into

3232
02:31:10,959 --> 02:31:13,000
making these songs at anymore. I was like, I don't

3233
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:14,799
I can't.

3234
02:31:14,879 --> 02:31:18,120
Speaker 3: Think like the person who writes songs.

3235
02:31:20,799 --> 02:31:26,559
Speaker 4: Like I like Chorus and my Heartfelt, you know, the

3236
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:27,559
stuff we talked about here.

3237
02:31:27,799 --> 02:31:31,159
Speaker 3: I like, well that this album is like Sam, this

3238
02:31:31,280 --> 02:31:31,760
is not for you.

3239
02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean beast Within is definitely the most

3240
02:31:34,399 --> 02:31:36,799
like kind of put the catamucks the pigeons. There's probably

3241
02:31:36,799 --> 02:31:39,239
a reason they put that one out first. Bored ofline

3242
02:31:39,280 --> 02:31:41,399
again sort of like Eurovision novelty song on the album

3243
02:31:41,719 --> 02:31:43,159
and I heard that and that's what made me go, right,

3244
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:45,559
I've got to make the guys listen to this. A

3245
02:31:45,639 --> 02:31:47,559
lot of it is kind of again the sort of

3246
02:31:47,559 --> 02:31:51,639
like craft worky left field metal sound combined with this

3247
02:31:51,719 --> 02:31:56,520
again very like creaky intentionally creaky kind of again like

3248
02:31:57,159 --> 02:32:01,159
several decades in early like first way proto black metal

3249
02:32:01,239 --> 02:32:04,079
sort of thing. And that is obviously it's an eccentric

3250
02:32:04,280 --> 02:32:06,280
that's the name of the game. With Masters Hammer, it

3251
02:32:06,360 --> 02:32:08,680
will be the maddest thing that most people have ever heard.

3252
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:11,520
I think it's so much fun that we have bands

3253
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:14,760
like this right, Massive Hammer have existed longer than all

3254
02:32:14,799 --> 02:32:18,120
of us have been alive, and bands running for decades

3255
02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:20,000
at a time in corners of the underground, creating this

3256
02:32:20,120 --> 02:32:23,000
kind of madness so far out of sight of what

3257
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:25,200
is popular. People listening to this right now who don't

3258
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:26,840
usually list to Glad that Massama will be like, what

3259
02:32:26,959 --> 02:32:27,479
the fuck.

3260
02:32:27,319 --> 02:32:28,159
Speaker 2: Are these guys on about?

3261
02:32:28,200 --> 02:32:28,319
Speaker 4: Right?

3262
02:32:28,399 --> 02:32:30,520
Speaker 1: You get to the song el Tidy near the end,

3263
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:34,159
and it's like I fall sixty five core with like

3264
02:32:34,479 --> 02:32:38,639
the trance and the vocal filter and stuff, and it's

3265
02:32:38,719 --> 02:32:41,760
the sound of people who helped invent, genuinely helped invent

3266
02:32:41,879 --> 02:32:45,399
what second wave black metal would be rejecting, you know,

3267
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:47,120
all of the conventions as they did back then that

3268
02:32:47,159 --> 02:32:49,319
would have prevented them from doing that, But then they

3269
02:32:49,479 --> 02:32:52,399
kept on going. They did not stop at that, and

3270
02:32:52,479 --> 02:32:55,399
they've just kept on going dad a rabbit hole that

3271
02:32:55,639 --> 02:32:58,360
the vast majority of people would not be insane enough

3272
02:32:58,680 --> 02:33:01,200
to follow them down. But like I said, I put

3273
02:33:01,239 --> 02:33:02,879
this album forward and I knew at the very least

3274
02:33:02,879 --> 02:33:03,959
one out of the two of you would be like,

3275
02:33:04,040 --> 02:33:06,079
this is the shittest thing I've ever heard, and the

3276
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:09,600
other one would probably be I do not know what

3277
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:12,040
is going on. I kind of admire the carnage, but

3278
02:33:12,159 --> 02:33:14,440
God knows if I like it or not. I have

3279
02:33:14,719 --> 02:33:18,920
maximum respect for Master's Hammer. They are so beyond caring

3280
02:33:19,399 --> 02:33:21,639
what the hell anyone thinks they should be. I mean,

3281
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:24,399
you think, after like decades are insane releases? Right, They've

3282
02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:26,079
got some mad records. Like I said, Ellie, you should

3283
02:33:26,079 --> 02:33:28,440
go and listen to the last record they made before

3284
02:33:28,479 --> 02:33:30,079
they broke up the first time in the nineties, Because

3285
02:33:30,079 --> 02:33:33,280
you will be it's more head scratching than this one

3286
02:33:33,479 --> 02:33:36,600
in a number of ways. You'd think after decades of

3287
02:33:36,639 --> 02:33:39,200
releases like this, people would have caught on. But when

3288
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:40,840
they released that Beast within video, I looked and there

3289
02:33:40,879 --> 02:33:42,719
were still a bunch of comments from people being like, well,

3290
02:33:42,719 --> 02:33:45,000
I like ritual, but what the fuck is this? And

3291
02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:48,120
Master Hammer do not give a shit. They are the

3292
02:33:48,200 --> 02:33:51,520
man running through the center of town screaming, flinging his

3293
02:33:51,559 --> 02:33:53,479
shit everywhere, and you can't tell him not to do

3294
02:33:53,639 --> 02:33:56,520
that because he's not gonna listen. And I think this

3295
02:33:56,639 --> 02:34:00,680
record is a maddening, quirky trip down a lane that

3296
02:34:00,680 --> 02:34:03,520
I wasn't otherwise going to hear, and God blessed Master's

3297
02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:04,920
Hammer for continuing to do that.

3298
02:34:06,239 --> 02:34:08,079
Speaker 5: You know, I've had this album for three days and

3299
02:34:08,159 --> 02:34:11,079
I've tried to get as many listeners as I can stomach,

3300
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:13,319
really in that time, because I really wanted to come

3301
02:34:13,399 --> 02:34:15,840
on and be able to say definitively whether it was

3302
02:34:16,440 --> 02:34:17,479
genius or terrible, I.

3303
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:19,079
Speaker 2: Think this is better than life has not put a

3304
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:19,479
dream by.

3305
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:23,159
Speaker 5: Right.

3306
02:34:24,079 --> 02:34:26,639
Speaker 1: I was good, I was gonna be nice pering I don't.

3307
02:34:28,799 --> 02:34:30,680
I might have to think that statement more. I think

3308
02:34:30,680 --> 02:34:34,159
it works as a more an overall more cohesive peace

3309
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:35,319
than life has put a dream.

3310
02:34:35,799 --> 02:34:36,399
Speaker 2: I'll give it that much.

3311
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:39,440
Speaker 4: I'm going to like rank the ten worst albums that

3312
02:34:39,559 --> 02:34:41,600
you've made me review, and I'm going to see where

3313
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:44,639
this lands against that fold record, like and the fire

3314
02:34:44,680 --> 02:34:47,600
Swan's record from this year. And this is the category

3315
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:51,879
of albums I'm putting this in with like Miserable Time

3316
02:34:51,959 --> 02:34:53,159
for Me Leave.

3317
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:58,479
Speaker 5: I gonna say what I was going to say was

3318
02:34:58,920 --> 02:35:01,840
I applaud Master's Hammer every step of the way, for

3319
02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:05,120
every in fact, for the same reasons as I applauded

3320
02:35:05,159 --> 02:35:07,639
that Avenge seven fold record. I happen to think that

3321
02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:13,079
album is incredible. In this case it is purely like

3322
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:16,559
it is almost entirely an admiration from the position of

3323
02:35:16,879 --> 02:35:19,879
I applaud because the act of actually sitting and listening

3324
02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:23,760
to it I find pretty unpleasant. But I would so

3325
02:35:24,040 --> 02:35:27,879
much rather have this than a rerun of Ritual in

3326
02:35:27,959 --> 02:35:30,719
twenty twenty five of them just doing the same thing

3327
02:35:30,760 --> 02:35:33,440
that they were doing back then. Like you say, I

3328
02:35:33,559 --> 02:35:36,479
love if you're an underground band and you're never going

3329
02:35:36,520 --> 02:35:38,719
to be big no matter what, why not do stuff

3330
02:35:38,799 --> 02:35:42,120
like this, like what's stopping you? Like if you lose

3331
02:35:42,159 --> 02:35:46,479
all your fans? Fine, who genuinely there is something infects

3332
02:35:46,479 --> 02:35:48,120
spot seeing a band who genuinely don't care.

3333
02:35:48,280 --> 02:35:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love so much that this band have again

3334
02:35:51,440 --> 02:35:53,520
early on made a couple of records that are so

3335
02:35:54,399 --> 02:35:56,319
foundational to so much music that I love. And I

3336
02:35:56,840 --> 02:36:00,479
do absolutely love those records. But the spirit that help

3337
02:36:00,559 --> 02:36:04,079
them make them of kind of rejecting everything just continue

3338
02:36:04,120 --> 02:36:08,879
to go so so far. And I would wear that

3339
02:36:08,920 --> 02:36:12,680
T shirt with pride, you know. And this record comes

3340
02:36:12,719 --> 02:36:14,840
out final week in November, as said, you should give

3341
02:36:14,840 --> 02:36:17,200
it a blast and expand your horizons. And that is

3342
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:20,719
incredibly the final review that we are doing in twenty

3343
02:36:20,799 --> 02:36:24,840
twenty five. What a capstone that is, and what a

3344
02:36:24,879 --> 02:36:26,200
bunch of reviews that is. Like I said, I was

3345
02:36:26,239 --> 02:36:28,399
really excited to get into some of these because even

3346
02:36:28,440 --> 02:36:30,040
though we are, you know, a couple weeks away really

3347
02:36:30,079 --> 02:36:31,639
from doing all of our end of year stuff, I

3348
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:35,440
think there are genuinely a handful of all round year

3349
02:36:35,559 --> 02:36:38,920
highlights in this bunch, from the big established names that

3350
02:36:38,959 --> 02:36:41,639
you already know to some newer, more unknown names that

3351
02:36:41,719 --> 02:36:43,840
you don't already know, So go and check out all

3352
02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:46,200
those records whichever one kind of sang to you the

3353
02:36:46,280 --> 02:36:49,840
most as we were describing them. Let us know, of course,

3354
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:52,799
in a couple of weeks what your favorites are. We

3355
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:56,639
will be back with one more Hyperblasts next week before

3356
02:36:56,639 --> 02:36:58,399
we start rapping all that up, and we will explain

3357
02:36:58,479 --> 02:37:00,559
there how of course, end of year season is going

3358
02:37:00,639 --> 02:37:03,079
to go here on That's Not Metal, But for now

3359
02:37:03,319 --> 02:37:05,760
you can enjoy those records to your heart content, get

3360
02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:07,879
grooving when the Malader or Disco comes out to you

3361
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:10,600
next week, and we will be here with you next

3362
02:37:10,639 --> 02:37:14,120
week for another edition of That's Not Metal. So cheers everybody,

3363
02:37:14,719 --> 02:37:15,319
see you later.