Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, Welcome back to the Gimmick. This is
a big day, lots of stuff to talk about. I
am the feeling is restored trash now. I don't even
know if I can say what David has, I can
say it, but the King of Kewai shiz knit. I
feel like me just saying his knit is, you know,
gonna get me in trouble or something.
Speaker 2: But I'm doing good.
Speaker 3: Aw has brought itself back from the brink with their
seven hour show to Rise all Tide, So I'm a
happy man.
Speaker 1: Some people might say it's still going, it might still
be there, it might still going.
Speaker 3: The post presser is probably still going at this point exactly.
Speaker 1: Tony, Yeah, yeah, you know, I know Collision best numbers
of the quarter. One in the quarter too. If you
look at our our thirty five is the best number
we've done in three months. He starts. He went onto
some ramble about dustin last night. It was impressive. Everyone
did clap a man, he's out there, but in a
good way. You know, it's good to have a fanboy.
I run some stuff and then we got uh clamorous
as Bubbs on that.
Speaker 4: I love that theme song. They haven't officially released it,
but I'm like listening all the like fan recordings of it,
right like the second half you can like barely hear.
Speaker 1: It, but I remember that was the case, like when
Eddie Guerrero got the Heel Latino Heat won the sped
Up one. For months, it was just like the Arena record,
like no one could find it. It was just on YouTube.
It was just like awful. But uh no, I was
gonna say, I hopefully you get that release before they
do like a real like you know how they do
that where it's like bron Breaker's gone through like four
different Yeah.
Speaker 4: Bron Breaker. It was like by the time they released
like his second theme, he was already on his third theme.
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna happen with Blake there. So but yeah,
we got lots of talk about, so what's how this
is gonna work? Some just plugs the said day. Uh,
if you're listening to podcast feeds, it won't matter to
you because you're just gonna get this all together, will
be wrapped together. If anyone watches Life or the YouTube videos,
what's happening is just because they're worse events we're gonna
be talking about all in bash and Saturday night's main
event today in the morning and then at nighttime David
Espos we'll be back to talk about Evolution. I'll have
that feed set up free you guys because I got
my dad's seventieth So I'm gonna be watching the show
later at night, which I'm I'm bummed about. I'm out
of all the ones I want to watch. That was
second place, but it's gonna be a great show. So
these guys will break down some podcast feeds. You won't
even know. We're gonna fish this and I'll go right
in Evolution. But if anyone watches live or it's just
watches the videos, there'll be two separate videos. We'll be
doing that next week. I haven't It was my bad.
I thought I have time. But next week on the Saturday,
we will be doing our GM mode stream. It's gonna
be sometime after two pm CST or something like that.
We'll figure out it's gonna be more. I think we
might try and make it more like pay per view time,
so like a seven pm est, so like what a
WWPA review would go. So yeah, look out for the announcement.
We'll be doing that. I finish the season I was
gonna say, we might do that. Yeah, if we're gonna see,
so last time we did because before we always make
these streams about two hours. Last time we did it,
it was like an hour, and we finished the five weeks.
So for some reason, if the five weeks take longer,
then we'll cut it. But we might finish the season.
Speaker 4: We only have likevor series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that means the next time we do, we'll
be back to Draft Day. So yeah, we'll see how
it goes. But yeah, we could be going to WrestleMania.
So there's your there's your plug right there. Tune in
s Pubs is on a twenty. Do you know you're
fifteen week streak right now at number one? Right, so
fifteen week streak, So we'll see if David I can
take them down. So yeah, go back and watch those
last few episodes were fun. And then yeah, the next time,
I can't remember when Summer Slam that and third, yeah,
I'm not sure that's only a two week built the
Summer Slam is fucking crazy. I guess not that. Guess
I got Cody, and I guess I've got True and stuff.
We'll see. I don't know if we'll fit in a
predictions episode because we're we're all gonna we're all gonna
be doing reviews of Night one night too, so I'll
say look out for our social media feeds to put
those up. But like quickly, like I think we all
think Cody's being seen, right, yeah, and I guess we'll
talk about the Drew whatever match, but we'll talk about
someone And plus even if Seth has heard that throws
a bunch of stuff in there. So when we get
sat this movement, we'll we'll probably do so many predictions
there there you go, so yeah, so but either way,
that's the next time we'll for sure be live with
a gimmick episode, is we'll be doing what is that
August second and August third. We'll go live right after
a few Night one and Night two and those should
be those should be funds. They're like this little chaotic
the night ones and Night twos, but it should be
summer sins, always a good time. But today we're gonna
start with aw because usually we don't, but today you know,
it's a WrestleMania it's their big year end or whatnot,
so we'll start there. So, David, what did you think
of the all In show, Like you said, very long,
I was because I had to barkue the geek Ferst
guys last night and I was like, oh, by like
five hours, it'll be over, and I looked, I'm pretty
sure this is the longest all In they've done, you know.
I it's tough to say I'm fine with this show
being so long because it is like the year ender,
but obviously their pay reviews do run quite long. But overall, David,
what do you think of the show?
Speaker 2: Overall?
Speaker 3: It was a great show, a great return to form
for them. I think that it was built up very
well and then the.
Speaker 2: Show itself was executed very well.
Speaker 3: Yes, some matches went long and there were convoluted points,
but everything wrapped up nicely and it gives me hopeful
where they can go and their long term storytelling going forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I spose. I know you were like double screen
I know you've watched the back half ones. Did you
what was your whole watch of all and was it
just those three or was it all over?
Speaker 4: I was like, like, I definitely didn't watch like the
like the Trios match opening. I was like, I was
like half screening, like the Men's Casino Gauntlet just to
see if there were any like big surprises. And I'm
trying to think, what's the first match I watched, Like
in Bowl, I'm trying to remember like the order of
the matches now I think I think everything.
Speaker 3: So we started with the Ops versus the Death Riders.
Then we had the Men's Casino Gauntlet match. Then we
had the Fatal four way for the vacant in An
TNT Championship, then the Bucks versus UH Swerve and Osprey,
followed by the Women's Gauntlet match, then the Tag and
then the triple main event of the women follow by
Ocatta Mega and then the final.
Speaker 4: It was I watched from the from the Women's Casino Gauntlet.
I watched them in full, but then I just like
didn't watch the tag match, Like I just wasn't really
like I was just playing Bulatro. They actually like, oh,
the Hurt Syndic one.
Speaker 1: They actually actually I I somebody has been dogged on
the Hurt signing the past months. It's like my favorite
Hurt Syndicate match. I'm gonna attribute that all to Christian.
That was the meme online like Christians not working no
bad and break match, and he did. There was like
some psychology and went on way longer, like David said,
but it wasn't necessarily a bad thing. And yeah that's
the thing, like I'm fine with all these matches going longer.
It's the year ender, and I thought this was great.
I'd have to go back and look, but this is
I said in the discord to me, this is the
best thing they've done pre brawl Out, because the meme
always is like aw ended perfectly when Punk had the title,
MGF interrupted him and Kenny and the Bucks for the
Trios champ and that night that all out was like, man,
we got it all and then for All happened, and
then ever since then it's always And don't get me wrong,
they definitely had great shows or great runs, but this
is like a good combo of TV has been relatively
always strong or good and then the show's pl He's
been good, even if there's some stuff. Obviously, the biggest
hang you know, no no pun intended, But the biggest
hang up was the Moxley death Rider stuff, right, which
is so funny when we get there, it's such a
curve where it's like it started really high and then
we got to like the lowest lows of aw but
then it got to the high high, so it's like
it's a weird thing. I think only history will be
the test of time to see like how this played out,
Like was it the right thing to wait this long?
But if you look at the moment, it did work.
So no, I thought this was great for me. This
is like a a five, Like on dropkick. I'm gonna
give the show a five out of five. Not because
it's perfect, not because it's like, oh, every match is
like a match here. No, it just had a great float.
It reminded me a lot of like a WrestleMania seventeen,
where sometimes there's random stuff on there, but it just
had a good pacing. That's the thing where even though
it was a long show, I was not tired. Maybe
it's just because, like you said, David, I think they
delivered on the moments. There was a surprise when they
needed to be happened. There's a big moment, there's a
big match. Yeah, I don't know, like every match, you know,
delivered to the point where I had the expectations, but
then some over delivered. So it was weird. I mean,
obviously we'll get to the only weird part was that
I'm cold soot because the four way after was just
it's very jarring. It took a while to get into.
Then I don't think I ever really got in that's
that one, but like it was fun enough, but no,
it was a it was a good night. So we'll
start there, We'll start at the end. We'll start the
big moment. We you know, we were well some is
worried s Bubs. You know his rockets, mox Bubs are
gonna need a new meme personal to like hang on to.
Speaker 4: So but whoever, like challenges like Hangman, it's just like
they're just giv them like some random defense.
Speaker 1: Like I.
Speaker 4: Was gonna say, I'll just switch over to yeah, Lance
Sector needs to win this, or like Hangman is bearing By,
bearing By.
Speaker 1: Josh Alexander's gonna get the big push there. But yeah,
they did exactly what we've been thinking for months. And
then obviously the win was I think we talked about
this a couple of weeks ago that the second Darby
was in the gone. I think we all knew, Okay,
Moxley's winning this because I think it was everyone kind
of had that feeling if they have Moxley win at all,
and that is like a I'm not gonna say a
company ender, but that's a company detractor. I think that
Jimmy would have made many people stop watching to a
full amount stop watching at all, like you know, you'd
come back here and there. But I think it would
have been a really bad moment for them. It would
have been some WCWS stuff.
Speaker 4: So when you look at like the Smurf stuff, like
even if it was like it was like a two
week build, but people were convinced that he was like
beating MOCKX and then when he lost, they were like,
a W's dead, it's over. I'm never watching it again.
They buried swerved like this would have been that like
times like a thousand yes, because the building stuff.
Speaker 1: That's where. And also we even saw a couple of
years ago with the Cody Roman thing, right, and that
we never know what happened there. There's rumors Roman and
Paul was like not now, brother. There's rumors that Vince
was like not like, so we never know. I And
that was the same thing. Right at the time I
was watching W again that happened and I was out
full time. I was like, I'll watch pay per views,
but I can't watch this and the same thing where
I hated the decision at the time, but then you
jumped to a year later and it did all work
out with the Bloodline you know, rules match and you
got the final Boss, even the rock and roll thing,
like it all kind of worked out somehow, and this
is to that Offousely, it's not the same year build,
but it's like a six month thing, so it kind
of backwardly worked out. And I thought this was great.
But yeah, it was like what we expected. It was
a Bloodline rules, it was a death Rider's rule match,
blood and Rules. It was Okay, they're gonna fight for
a while and then get an interference interference. They led
with you to though spects. So that's how I knew
we were safe. He was the first person interference. I'm like, oh,
thank god, he's not gonna do but he he's in.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be on the Yeah, I thought he was
gonna He's just been posting like you know he does,
like his his word building. Yeah, yeah, and I thought
he was backstage that shows those like he's just he's
just driving and a Jay and his bus Jack Perry.
Speaker 1: You just got you just gotta be a good soldiers
because me and David were there for Hangman didn't like
get punished after the punk stuff, but he definitely got
like reduced for a while. You could tell Tony Cohn
was like, you kind of stirred some ship up here,
and I didn't appreciate that, Like he was job and a.
And then it came around so Jack Perry just looking,
hang Man, there is a way back for you. There
is a way to get out of.
Speaker 3: The It was definitely a back of the line situation
for uh, you know. And so I mean he kept
his head down, he worked his way up. I also
think that with this match, as annoying as this had
been in the build up, I think the go away
heat for John Moxley serviced the match to the point
that it was such a celebration they are finally defeated.
It went from God, we're just tired of this too. Yes,
we've had someone de thrown this, and I think that
that helped build up that ending.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I will give it to Tony.
Speaker 3: I've been saying this needs to end, this needs to end,
but taking that extra a little bit to make it
in and have that was make the ending of it
much better.
Speaker 1: It was also the right guy though, because I posted
on Discord, Tony Gon pretty much just admitted that, Like
he didn't say Darby, but he said like, yeah, we
changed plans. And that's where I think the Hangman thing
work is. He is to me, he is like I
love Kenny, but Kenny to me was like the ace
of that new Japan era. Hangman is the ace. Like
day one, his first interview was like I'm gonna be
world champion, and then he beat Jericho. He had that
stuff with Punk and then everything happened, but then he
had the stuff with Swerp. Like if you look at
all the years, Hangman pops up as being the focal point.
So that's why to me, I think Darby winning. Still.
I'm not saying the crowd woud a boot or not
liked it, but I don't think it would have had
the same hood spot when.
Speaker 4: You think like the Derby interviews from like earlier this week,
that's why. Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't need the
title to get revenge.
Speaker 1: It's like fucking Seth and Punk before I remember weeks
before wrestling, they're like, yeah, I made him the wrestleman.
It's not it's not the be all end all and
then and then they made him at wrestling. It's like
punk is a ten minute video package of like I've
I've worked my life, so it's like you can always
tell when they get the like and I think Darby
will be champion one day. I think he Actually, I
don't know what's gonna happen. They haven't stated I know
we're gonna all over. They haven't stated the MGF casino
rules yet because before it was money in the bank like,
but now the time, they've just been saying world title shot.
And I don't know. I think MGF and the money
the bank thing would work. To me. The trajectory is
it's kind of tough because the ospray thing, like we
know Austury think.
Speaker 4: They might just run like mjf Osprey for the title,
like add all in next year in London. I could
see that like the America gimmick again.
Speaker 1: No no, don't know, no no, because to me, what
I in my perfect mind would be that you have
Hangman dropped MJF and then Darby wins it but gets
like a month month and a half run, like just
a mc foley run, and then I just don't know
who that heel would be in that to Osprey would
be that that's my prediction. I think they're gonna go away,
especially because a couple of months ago, Hangman beat MGF Clean,
So I feel like they'll kind of, you know, swap
that back.
Speaker 4: So like, well, the one I have on like I
think on like a list of like definitely gonna win it,
but I don't really know, like it's like it's both
adjacent to Osprey and that I don't know if he
wins it before and drops it to Osprey or Osprey
drops it to him, which is Kyle Fletcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as he starts pissing people off backstage apparently,
you know, like because because like he always yeah, well
remember a couple of weeks ago with the when he
dropped oh yeah yeah, and then it just scared me
when the reports was like, oh hang or Adam Cole,
maybe I can cuss off that that the clothesline, So
I just worries you go and get the seth Rons
twenty fifteen reputation of well.
Speaker 4: I also he's also hanging with the with the the
hurt Cynder Kid. Do you see that Fletcher interview? Yeah,
there was this. There was like on the on the
media day, there was like they were just like interviewing
Fletcher and then like MVP and Lashley and Shelton just
like come up and start dapping up and they're like,
this guy, I've seen all these other guys. This is
m VP's Like I walked in here, I walked into
aw I saw no super stars with this guy. This
guy is the superstar. And they're like talking about his
suit game and they're just like they're just hanging out.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what. That honestly wouldn't be the bad
trajectory of Hangman MJF Darby for a quick run Fletcher
and then Osprey, especially because I think that'd be a
great feud builder if Fletcher was like I won the
world title before you like what an easy dig to ospray,
you know, like that would be, and then they could
both like in London. So yeah, we'll see, but that
I guess I didn't even say yeah, I love the match.
I love that the match started with just like hang
in punch Moxley and then mocks punch back, and then
it just went into like they bust out the fork.
Like two minutes in they knew what they were doing.
I think that because sometimes I like to build up,
but I think this worked for this match because there's
all this hatred. It's, you know, goddamn for the soul
of aw and they want to get the title of
the briefcase. But to me, it felt like this should
be a fight. I always hate when there's a blood
feud and then they do the call and elbow tie
up and you're like, Okay, what's going on here? So
this worked, and it worked also because there wasn't also
another big weapons or bloody match on the cards, so
it felt like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I saw say there was no blood
until the main event pretty much, or like, at least
not on purpose. I think some people got like like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's always going to be blood in
a John Moxley match, and that that is always one
of my chief complaints of him, and I'm not a
fan of these super bloody matches unless it makes sense,
like for this match, it made a lot more sense.
But I do think that some of that is taken
away from the fact that you know, a John Moxley
match is going to have blood. He could have a
five minute match on collision and there will be blood somehow,
some way, So I.
Speaker 4: Think I don't think he bled in the in the
coke match from the Battle, Yeah, that was one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were I think they were trying to
do like a classic wrestling match.
Speaker 4: Because that's like it's like we're going to have an
n w A style.
Speaker 1: Man, it did not work, you know, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my my complain is you take away some
of that whole bleeding now and this match again, it
was great, Uh, Hangman just dig into his forehead, Like
at one point you saw some blood squirt on to
Hangman from him and I was like, oh, they're they're
really going for it. But I do think that it
would have just a little bit more weight if Moxley
didn't bleed in every other match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: That was really like a like an issue for me,
Like I felt like I knew it was coming, but
it was like, it doesn't make it an issue for
me since he like does it in every other match.
Speaker 1: That's just like, yeah, Yeah, I think what I liked
is we've had lots of AW shows where they do
do two to three multiple weapons blood matches, and that's
where I think that that's where the Moxley matches hurt.
I think the moxy matches work when it's that's the
that's the special thing is he's the bleeder, he's the
gross guy. But when you have other people doing barbed
wire or fire, it's just like the Moxley is like
just another guy doing that stuff. You know, like they
should let Moxley be the death match or whatever they
want to call him.
Speaker 3: His interview with Renee, the little cart interview thing that
they did, I don't know if you guys saw that,
where she they're in the car, they're being recorded, and
she's basically saying like, hey, why do you do these things?
She goes, I have to report on this because it's
my job, but this also affects my life, and he says,
he goes, you know, we have these people in here
who want to become a pro wrestler, who want to
do this for a living. This is part of pro wrestling.
So for all the easy spots and the accolades, are
you willing to go this far? If you want a championship?
Are you willing to go this far? And I do
think that that also helped with the gravity of the match.
So when you know the Blood's coming. You know, it's
going to get violent. It's already been stated by him
in this little interview that aired on Zero Hour and
they post on social media as well that just you know,
this is how he feels about pro wrestling, and I
thought it was really good to have it with him
and Rene.
Speaker 2: They're in the car. You can see the kid's car
seat in the back.
Speaker 1: Like they've seen some of those images.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, they're in their car, and she's like, why
do you have to do this? Because I have to
watch this, not just for my job, but I have
to deal with the.
Speaker 2: Fallout of this. I have to look at.
Speaker 1: Because because some of the Adam Cope the Cope match,
and I gotta deal with this.
Speaker 4: You know. I've kind of liked, like throughout this whole
Death Rider's story just like just sort of like the
like the underrated thread that like Renee is just watching
Mox do all this weird stuff. Like there's this one
interview I forget where they're like they're like at their
house and like Da and Claudia are just like just
like walking around their house or something and they're like
being interviewed with like they just all just like they're
just like his bodyguards at like all times, even when
he like at his house, they're just like hanging out
in there with them. And She's just like, yeah, I guess,
I guess they're just here all the time.
Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, that's weird on TV. They haven't pulled
the Renee thread yet because I remember before Kingston got hurt,
Kingston was starting to pull her into the storyline, and
I because remember Renee's like, oh, you need to fix
this between you two. So I'm wondering what's gonna happen.
That's a good thing with Moxley and the Deaf writers
is they got Darby because Darby said on his Mount
Everest his thing like I'm gonna take down the death Righter.
So I think that's gonna be his story one by one.
And then when Kingston gets back, you got Moxle and Kingston.
So and I think Kingston hopefully should be back. Soin
so Moxton's got like six months, he should probably take
a break, but I don't know. I don't know if
he can. I guess because the Darby thing's hot right now,
so you want to do that. I feel like at
all else they might do that. But yeah, he's he's
good for a while. No, I thought this was like,
here's the thing for enjoyment. This match is like a five.
I don't know where it'd be, like my actual rating
or when I do a drop peep, but just the
enjoyment as far as if you can do a good
Bloodline Rules match, because we saw that, right we saw
the Wrestle May one and when we saw the Summer
Sign one you can see and this was definitely. This
to me was like the Bloodline Rules Radar match where
it's like, Okay, we're gonna do that, but with glass
and and fucking nails and all this stuff, and it's
just brutal. When you see Mocksley take the the buckshot
and he hits them and he gets up and you
just see all like the hundreds of holes like miney, God,
that man's I don't want to tell him to stop,
but I do worry for this man when he gets
like fifty and sixty, This guy, it's just he's just
tearing his body apart. But you know, for the love
of the game, I guess, but I thought it was
a good I liked the pacing of it. The interference
actually took a lot longer than I thought. That's not
a bad thing. I like the pacing of it. I
don't know why they're really obsessed with doing the stretcher
gimmick right now with Joe and Osprey, Like I don't
think they need to do that.
Speaker 4: Just take Oscar how like they were just like it's
still fighting in the ring, as like they were pulling
the stretcher like in the background into ospray, like there's
just so much good.
Speaker 1: It was weird, like unless Joe and Ausbury have some
time off, I just felt like, just take him on,
Osprey can lay on the side like it was. It
was odd just because like also in this match, these
rests go through so much and I'm not saying the
chair next like not a bad spot, but it's just
like I don't know if it's like this where where
it's like Oustbury should be getting carted out right now
we've seen Oustbury.
Speaker 4: I guess explanation for it was like he had already
taken so much in like the previous match that like
just this was enough to to like knock him out.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit jarring to see them constantly
cut to this very long process of them willing out Osprey,
Like just.
Speaker 1: Have him down the side, That's completely fine, Like he
does like why, like I said, unless he has time off,
and that's the only reason that would make sense to me.
But Joe doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: He's still trying to long for Joe, just like maybe
he's like pulling Twisted Metal season three or something like that,
because I feel like, I think last time he got
like written off was like yeah, last season two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they threw him through a wall jarring.
Speaker 4: With like an excavator or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But no, I thought this was a great match. It
was a great ending, lots of good false fimishes and
I love the double like we've been building up to
it for a while. But I love the ending of Swerve.
No no, I love the ending of Swerve throwing in
the chain and they end the match the same way
because Hangman's only lost one Texas Death Match before and
it was a Swerve and it wasn't that same way.
Only differences. Hangman passed out, which I think is great
because it's like it makes the Moxley character kind of cowardly,
like he wouldn't pass out. He tapped out before that happened,
and people have shut out, but Moxley's selling the choking
ten out of ten, like him jumping around, he's he
looks like he's getting electrocute. It was fantastic. So, like
like I said, I don't think I would actually give
it a five on like a critical rating or whatnot.
But as far as enjoyment and watching having a good time,
I have no notes. They hit all the thing. Only
surprised that, you know, we didn't talk about it, but
like Brian was there, so it's great. This fucking guy,
I'm not cleared he's doing suicide dies outside the ring
and it almost half of it. Yeah, Poorbella always watching
like Rebell and Renee forgett need to like have some
fucking therapy sessions aget these guys. And then Darby came
from the rafters, no sting. I thought for sure sing
was gonna come.
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't see the clips that Darby was
up there like maybe the whole match, Like yeah, he's
just like hanging up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the thing. They probably stuck him during the
video package.
Speaker 2: You just had that.
Speaker 3: Any other time than that, like people would have noticed
it would have had the pops. So if everyone is
distracted by something else then yeah, I have him get
up there, get rigged in and checked. For me, this match,
the match itself was a four, but everything outside of it,
the chain spot, this stare down would swere Daniel Bryan
repelling of Darby. All of that is what pushed up.
This was one of those matches where the convoluted ending
served a great purpose because it felt like everyone was
battling for the soul of ae W. Having the EVPs
come in, the bucks come in, and they're doing it.
I'm like, no, not this shit again, please no, And
then they get taken. Now I'm like, okay, this is
one where all the craziness goes to serve. We are
dethroning you, mocks. Everyone is for this. Let's give a
coronation to our new cowboy king.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I've thrown my king, mocks.
Speaker 1: But for me, like you soon take the riders.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but for me, it's like kind of a dude,
it's saying, but for me, it's kind of like it's
the opposite. But like, I still I think i'd get
like a higher rating. Like it's where like you're saying,
like you thought the match was like a four, but
because of the story and like the history of it,
you'd give a higher rating for me, Like I don't
really have that like history or anything with Hangman, but
I just really love the match, just like as a match,
like i'd probably give it like yeah, like you said,
I don't think a five star but I'm like a
like four point seventy five type rat important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's like to the history. It's just like
it's like I said, I'm very happy. I'm happy because
I was worried for a while when because people heard
me tumbles before when Hangman like took like a clean
loss to Jay White, and I was like, you can't
be having because since he's done, he lost.
Speaker 4: Like three times.
Speaker 1: Since they did the swerve, like him turning heel. I've
said this before, like him he was other McIntire, but
I said, Hangman's my favorite wrestling character right now, like
not Rest, but the character of Hangman is fantastic. And
this did feel like a full circle. We got his
old theme music back, and it did feel like even
from the past, we want to tell the first time
that was like this unreluctant like underdog winning it, or
this was like he's a man now, like he's he's matured.
Like before even Moxley was making fun of him, kind
of being like a cry baby and kind of a bitch.
Where this Hangman's like, no, this isn't Hangman, and uh yeah,
it's just funny. The journey move on. It's funny, just
like the last few week with a punk saudy thing
and then now hang Man two weeks later, it's like
the Crown Jewel again. It's just it's funny the circles
we go in with just certain things in wrestling. But
I'm very curious what they do. I don't know if
they do Swerve and Hangman in the field like and now,
I feel like I kind of want them to wait
on that because they just kind of you know, there's
a tag team run there, there's this and that, Like
I feel like there's certain time, like it just would
feel odd to get there. And the thing is, I
will say, we don't know, we'll get there. But if
they do truly want to do this, okay, the Undisputed
title is the secondary like their World Headway title, then
I wouldn't even mind Swerve going that direction for now
and keep Hangman and Swerve apart like they had this
moment return this at another time. If he didn't help them,
if there was a turn, then sure, but it's just
like it would feel weird to be like okay and
then it all out. We're doing swerve and hang. It's
like no, Like.
Speaker 4: Now it'll be like a like a you owe me
at one point, yes.
Speaker 3: Like wait, wait, wait three or four months before you
pull the U owe me card. Let their story continue.
You could even have them kind of work together something
for a while, and then it's the Okay, I'm you
owe me. It's my time I help you get this championship.
But they'll keep it, but it's my time. I'm coming
back for this.
Speaker 1: And that's what I like too, which I also will
get to Seth later and I don't know if happened,
but that's why I've been liking what they've been doing
with Seth and Cody, where they've been keeping them apart
and even when they interacted, they didn't fight, they didn't push,
they had like an intense look. But it is that
thing of like Cody feels like he's still gonna owe
Seth a little bit, so he's not gonna immediately be like, oh,
I'm gonna start playing like there's like some nuance there,
and that's what I think, Like Seth and Cody and
Swerve and Hangman, like those are very similar stories in
a way. So I hope that, you know, they keep
them apart. But yeah, I don't know, obviously, I'm Jeff.
I don't think will be the first challenge. I think
all out Hangman, we'll get somebody that's like a good
work rate. I do think we.
Speaker 2: Have a return of Warlow.
Speaker 1: Oh right, they split them apart. I completely, yeah, thank
you completely for a no Wardlow. Get Wardlow at he's
on American Gladiators. You know, he's America Gladiators. He's gonna
talk to the man. Then he's gonna go over and
be the Missess Bodyguarden w but.
Speaker 3: She if this, if this is the faith, then that
would be perfect. They would put him in the title
picture just because he's an American gladiator. You got to
get that advertising money.
Speaker 1: Get him the next c he can, he can fight Oba,
he can fight Oba. Open needs a main event match.
Speaker 2: But big swep slapping meat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, we got Forbidden Door and he'll
verse somebody. I'm not sure. I have no idea who
he'll be Serveden.
Speaker 4: Door doesn't necessarily have to like last Air prefer door.
They did HANGMN and or not a servant Osprey and
that was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even though he like counts like a he's a
new Japan guy, but yeah, I know you're right, it's
like a fifty because the problem is they have all
the top new japan guys there pretty much. I yeah,
I don't. I'm it's how many dates, David, you might
know this more than us does. What's ton Hashi's full
retirement date?
Speaker 3: It's though, yeah, I Wrussell Kingdom is in so he's
going through this year.
Speaker 2: They had met.
Speaker 3: They told him when he became the president that in
order you for you to become the president, you have
to stop wrestling. And he said, okay, give me two years.
He's like, give me this time. Let me do some
things for the crowd, let me have this moment. So
Wrussell Kingdom.
Speaker 1: Is he not officially president yet or is he doing No?
Speaker 3: He is, but that was a condition of being president,
was like, you have to stop being an in ring competitor.
Speaker 2: And he said, give me this time.
Speaker 3: The first year He's like, I've already got all these
things in the work and then that second year is
going to be basically my retirement toward the fun matches,
everything else that's going to lead up to everyone knowing
Russell Kingdom is my final match.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not a fun match. I was wondering
if you run Hangman in Tana They've only versed once
in twenty nineteen. Roh, So I wonder if you can.
Speaker 4: The only place and for Rendors in the UK because
Tahi he wrests final like North America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah you could do that. So yeah, we'll see,
but I think at all out and we'll get there.
But I think I think Edie Christian there's a good
chance they could main event that show. It's in Toronto,
So that's why with hang Man, I don't know who
they're gonna do for Fremendor, not sure Moxley, but yeah,
the death writers storylines. Far as the top is over,
we've got the and again, I actually.
Speaker 4: Really put like if Ton of Hashti, like you could
put him like in like some sort of like tag
team situation with Darby or something, just to like doesn't
have to be a singles and you can be just
like the ultimate good guy helping like beat the death Riders.
Speaker 1: You just gonna take the Penditona. That's what's gonna happen.
One last AW win because I don't actually know if
ton Hashie maybe on TV, but they've dropped him out
on AW a lot.
Speaker 3: Like if it if it's gonna be a tag match,
I want to see ton of Hashie going up against Okada,
either singles or tag that I think it. That would
be because Okata basically took over from Tanahashi the passing
of the torch, so you could run that back. As
far as Hangman, like the singles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first title defense of like the new title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wins and he retires.
Speaker 2: As as far as Hangman, I mean he can go against.
Speaker 3: Hiroki Godo who just lost the title to Zach Saber Junior.
He can go against some of the other people that
they have the Shochicagi.
Speaker 4: I think that he can to film and Street Fighter.
Speaker 2: Everyone is filming there, but he is He's cast. Yeah No,
that's I'm saying. Everyone is filming street Fighter. That's the
ultimate door.
Speaker 4: Like I think like the injury thing is like I
think they like I think it's real, but like on
TV they were playing it at the like or like
on New Japan, they're playing as like bigger, we're like
and it's more so for him to like, I think,
go film this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but New Japan has people that would fit Moxley's
style that he could have a good title defense against
but still win.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other beat I liked in the match
is when Shafir went to go get the briefcase got
handcuffed and now I got either thought that was a
good moment because it was a nice set up there.
When you watch it back and you see the guy
helping out, but it's like it was a good moment there,
So like what they got doing. Yeah, yeah, he's just
on his knees under the ring table. You're like, what's
going on? But no, it was a good movie.
Speaker 3: I did like her picking up mox for the ten
count because there's been other times when someone has had
someone at ringside. I'm like, why doesn't they just like
it's no DQ, Why don't they just pick them up?
Speaker 2: So her women's flipping them off, I'm like, all right, No,
the women's casino Golf was just manager just for managers.
Speaker 1: Sit weird, say, let's go on, and does they have
anything else say about Mosley hang man, we covered all
the over briefcase. So David, you happy the tiles out
of the briefcase.
Speaker 3: Now, yes, I'm happy, And I'm even more happy that
s s Bus pointed out and I went back and
looked at it. The side place for Stell Daniel Brian
long term storytelling.
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson a different man. But yeah, no, it was
that was great. It was good that they just didn't
even change it and stuff. I was. I was very I.
Speaker 4: Wonder if it's actually been in there the whole.
Speaker 1: Time I've been, well, yeah, yeah, maybe it's also like like.
Speaker 4: Like it was so crazy over in that thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a fan that Brian took off the
blue panther mask. I was really worried he was gonna
hit the knee and then run out and they were
gonna like was that Brian Danielson, But like, thank god,
it just it was just a hype moment. I was like,
don't dude, this ship, don't do this, like, oh he's retired,
so campy him. But I was happy. And then, like
I said, he just almost kills himself.
Speaker 4: I think it's like back back.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he was moving like usual eyes.
Speaker 4: I was just thinking like maybe like now thinking of
like that you could do like Darby and uh Bryan
as like a tag team taking on the death and
like the third person.
Speaker 1: If he's back back, that's another Moxley match as well.
That's like you got some tags, you got Darby, you
got king sing up Brian. I'll say, if he's back,
it's gonna be like even smaller than the Shawn Michaels
two thousand and five schedule, like the Rand the Rand
New part time schedule where it's like they're there for
a couple months and gone, I think he'd he'd be
there like I don't know, eight eight to ten weeks
out of the year. I bet that's what I think they.
Speaker 4: Think, and like yeah, build up matches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the big ones like probably just like
I mean.
Speaker 4: He'll be at restal dream.
Speaker 1: Like probably yeah, full circle it so but uh yeah,
So it's a transition. It's a random transition. But I'm
just doing because they brought you know, he likes me
and help with no d Q the Women's Gauntlin. We
got that. That's the thing that bugged the show me.
So to me, this is the tale two halfs to me,
the men's and women's are pretty like on the same point,
but there's I have pros and cons for both. I
think the back half the women's was great. I think
they're firing. Everyone came home and was going to these
big spots. They were moving fast. I love the spot
of Christantland or Power buy meyham Baine into a bunch
of people Like that was fantastic. I don't know why
they did it, but I love that because Chris Statland
and or Meghan Bane were one and two, they just
decided to like team up for seventy percent of the match.
I even messed it, like did I miss something? But
I love that Megan Baine. I continue like more and
more so the women's back half nothing but good stuff.
Love the winner, that's a super surprise. I love will
finally get Athena on AWTV and like who like even
if she does do storm that's a weird one. But yeah,
the first half of this match irk the hell out
of me because not that it's managers doing it, because
at first, when Mega Bank comes with Panel before, it's like,
I get it. She's been her manager most time, and
she's not like Hal is a great wrestler, So they're okay,
I kind of understand this, but I still say, like,
oh that that must suck.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: They'd be like it's in the women's multi match and
you're still just have to be a manager. But then
Anna J comes down, who NAJ Like they've pushed has pedoma.
Speaker 4: I saw that like Collision eight woman tag they've done
like three times. Like Anna J was the only one
who is like not actually in the Casino Gauntlet.
Speaker 1: Like, and I will say this unless there were injuries, right,
but all these women were taking bumps and then sky
Blue to me was the biggest one because before she
got injured, she joined Julie Hart. They're still doing that,
but she joined her and they're really starting to get over.
Sky Blue is getting over on the internet for different
reasons too. They're always treading because of her behind. Good
for her, but like still she was gaining momentum. She's
back and I'm like, okay, but no, she runs out
and like, oh, are they doing some kind of fun
gimmick like two women are entering at the same time.
That's cool. No, she's just the manager. But even worse
in Penelope and AJ who would take bumps and do
a couple of hits. Sky Blue was in the match
just like wrestling, like three minutes straight. It's like, why
not just make her another entrance? Like it made no sense,
especially except for Skyploe, who at times they were pushing,
so that really really bugged me and took it down
for it. I did not like that, And because they're
even doing stuff like she's tapping, I'm like, oh, well,
she's not on the match. It's just like it felt
very odd and if I was one of those women,
I would have been very annoyed. But like I said, overall,
I still really like the match, and I think the
back half was just like fast and furious and you
know what, we joked about it, but I like Tekla.
We had all the I was worried because she got
memed on about like AW fans wanted to go WWE
and w fans want to go to AW. But I've
liked what I've seen so far. She's hard hitting, she
has like a weird kind of Ken Shamrock vibe about her.
When she comes down, she just looks like she's gonna
mess somebody up, and she has the crazy eyes, and
I like the random Queen Amana A few that's going
on because.
Speaker 4: I think in k Faves she was fired from stardom
for beating up the president of Stardom or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so she Yeah, So I've liked her so
far from when I see him.
Speaker 3: Show, she's been super impressive and I like her. And
I mean same with between and Megan Bain. They both
got incredible showings and incredible feats of strength to make
them look like just straight powerhouses, which I was like,
good on them if they're not winning. You've presented both
of these two women as very strong individuals going forward,
and I'm like, yes, that's exactly what I want to see.
I've loved the way that they presented Megan Baine, like
leading up to this and then during the match they
just continued that or with her and then same thing
with that glass.
Speaker 2: So yeah, great showing by them.
Speaker 1: Tony's gonna be careful. I know he just saw Megan Baine,
but that's somebody I feel like Wodys want to scoop
up because she has a good presentation, she has a
unique look, she can work, and she has a good president.
Speaker 4: They there were rumors for a while, but like they
like approached her like we're eyeing her for like NXT.
Speaker 1: Like he's like, how much you want?
Speaker 4: Because she was signed for like for AW for like
a year, like almost two years without like any appearances,
and then she just starts showing up like full time.
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't know where her contracts is.
But yeah, she's somebody. She had that match a couple
of months ago Tony that was really great, and every
time she's in there, she I don't know who she
reminds me of, but yeah, I'm a big fan of
her so far. But uh, yeah, what do you think
of the woman's gone the winner? Because I think we
all kind of thought willow Right, we were kind of
all in that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Athina was one prediction I saw a lot
of people throwing around. That was one I had like
in the back of my mind, but I just thought,
like I just wasn't sure if she was, like it
was a possiibility, But yeah, I wasn't like surprised you one,
but I thought it was. It was good. That also
made me think like, oh, Mercedes, like that definitely winning
then me too.
Speaker 1: We all thought that I almost they running it back
Athena's gonna get her win back. But now that's I mean,
her and Tony is such like not what I had. Obviously,
it might not even be Tony right because it could
be in the future. But even if they Tony was
like calling her out of the press conference, I feel
like they're already trying to set the seeds, but not
a matchup I had on the aw Bengal card all
as Athena versus Tony Storms.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I like this mate, Like you said, the
start was definitely weird with like all the managers and stuff.
We were just like kind of weird, like they were doing
more stuff than the actual people like in the match
for a while. But yeah, I liked the end when
there were just big spots with a bunch of people involved,
like he said, yeah, like the power bomb. That stuff
sort of reminded me of like what I think is
still like the best Casino gbalin match, which is the
one from all In last year, where I felt like
it was just a lot of like big spots and
like people coming in, like like the one I remembers
like Ricochet doing like that like jump like off the
middle rope onto the like top turnvocal and like flipping
off and landing on like fifty people on the outside.
Like that's still my favorite casino golam match, I think.
But yeah, I really enjoyed this one. And yeah, a
good good winner.
Speaker 1: I gotta I always love universal as respectfully. Don't objectify
women too much. Not cool. They can wrestle, of which
you can't want. You know, I can wrestle. I'm gonna
be wrestling maybe again soon. But two I did not.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's an objectifying and if not, you
just talk about how I was talking about how Hangman
was looking like a big beefy guy, like I will
objectify men and women at the same time if they're
good looking or they got a good aura.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's what I'm talking about. When I say
Megan Band is a good look, it's just that she has
She has a look that you could throw on a poster.
She to me, all to me, some of you might
not like me saying she has a very ww look,
which is not a negative. It's just she would fit
in that company where some people don't. Some people like looks.
I'm like Ruby, soho, that's what it's like. She's like
that's an AW you know, Like that's like an AW look.
That's something where it's like people have different looks and
that's where to me and they can go both ways.
But Megan Bain has it with her hair and the
ore and like everything comes out like the.
Speaker 3: Whole present of her just screams WW it.
Speaker 2: Like her look when she walks out.
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of a little bit of
Charlotte Flair without the roades, Like just that whole that
menacing queen standing over you type deal. And that's something
that you like.
Speaker 1: J she was in AW and she felt like a
WWE person and look where she is now. She's in
WWE and hopefully her and Naomi have a great matchup.
But there's some people that go back and forth and
then there's some people like an Agent Styles that can
do both. Right, he can be in w B and
have that look, but he could easily turn into indie
AJ Styles again. Right, Like, there's something I have to.
Speaker 4: Give credit to Megan Bank because that that look that
is like all of her, Like she'll pull out the
full head dress and gear and everything when she's like
on GCW and like in front of like fifteen people's cool. Yeah,
she does have every like I've seen Buddy. It's like
she she does the full look at every single show
like she ever works like it doesn't matter the size
of it. Just cool. I mean it. Yeah, it just
makes your like larger.
Speaker 1: Like AW show when everyone looks really grungey, like that's
that's indie indie stuff. So I was gonna say, so,
do you guys think I don't think it'll be for
been Door. I bet like Tony wrestles someone else. Do
you guys when do you think we could get this
Athena Tony? If it is that, I think it will
be Athena Tony. I just think they're starting to lay
the groundwork a little bit for it. Maybe all up,
but I wonder.
Speaker 4: Maybe it could be like yeah, that's what I'm thinking,
Like I feel like if it's a cash in situation,
I feel like it could be something like she loses
the roh and like when are the next title matches?
She like wins the title like the main AW title. Yeah,
but then I also don't know like who and ro oh,
Like now they're just like Billy just let Billy.
Speaker 1: They did the Cody Roman story and guess what on
the sequel to Billy and Athena, Billy lost again. You
kidding me? You kid me? Like I say, do the trilogy,
have Billy beat her and give her like just give
her the good moment, you know, like because it couldn't
mean I actually would have been perfect, but they gave
her the TV title. I would Trium TV that yeah,
in Trium TV title.
Speaker 4: Because I saw something I say, Tony con said that, aw, like,
we're not doing entrance titles anymore. But it's like, well,
well you know, we'll do it on our Oh that's
that's my aw.
Speaker 1: I remember Tony Tony, like Tony Storm and Mocksley, they
got the intern and every presser they like, they would
make a not a big deal about it, but they
let it know and they weren't happy about the whole
interim thing and they tried to be like UFC. But
I agree that, like you know, it's don't do it.
Speaker 4: Just makes more sense, just do like a number one contenders.
It's just like you're just like whenever the bat person
comes back, you're automatically the number one.
Speaker 1: Contender on exactly.
Speaker 4: It's not like they're just gonna like like win it
or something or like or if they are gonna win it,
then just vacated or something like. It's just like the
interim thing is just like it's like kind of telling
you that. It's like it's like this isn't even faker
Belt And.
Speaker 1: Even people that watch UFC, they hate the intern stuff
because sometimes will be the world champion who's like gone
for a while, like John Jones, like, oh, then there's
intern and then John Jones like I retired, I don't
want to defend anymore. It's like, Okay, now you're the
intern champ, You're the real champ. It's like, how does
that lineage? Like that makes no sense. It's just like
even the UFC fans now like I don't we don't
funk with the interim stuff.
Speaker 4: This is what it's kind of like a like a
dumb thing that like there's so many it's like it's
something that they do, but it's like there's just so
many better ways to do it.
Speaker 3: Redvela that's gonna come back, like see him punk with
the uh.
Speaker 1: I never lost it. I'm so mad we never got it.
I wish. I wish we got that paid off, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I wish, but with an X spray painted over
a copy of the Championship.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: David Win, do you think Athena and Tony happens? Do
you think she's still r a shamp drops that? Is
she gonna be money and get the multiple titles?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: I I think it's gonna be a champion versus champion
type deal. I think that that is going to be
the thing. Now does Tony then drop it?
Speaker 2: At that point? I'm not sure?
Speaker 3: You say, Hangman's like, what's been going on with him
being your favorite? Tony Storm is my favorite character in
all of wrestling, just because, like in all of her interviews,
all of her vignettes, everything else. During her matches, she
lives and breathes the gimmick. She has made it her
own and she does an amazing job with it. She
makes me laugh. She gets me invested in matches that
otherwise I wouldn't care about, or I would think, okay,
this would be fun, but I just I could care less.
She gets me invested in those matches, those things promos
she cuts after squash matches. Yeah, so I would love
to see them go title versus title. I have loved
Athena's forever Champion deal.
Speaker 2: So I could see.
Speaker 3: Athena winning it and then being calling herself the true
forever champion, and or you could have them go back
and forth. And I think if Mercedes did come back
and her and Tony face each other again, Mercedes wins
the title and then her and Athena face off, I
think that match wise, that'd be.
Speaker 2: A much better fit for styles.
Speaker 3: I would love to see the way that they do that,
because Mercedes presents herself as a wrestler, but more also
as a sports entertainer steel where Athena is against she
is out to prove that she is women's wrestling. So
I think either of those would be good. But I
would love to see a title versatyle with a Athena
going against Tony because Athena can also be super silly
when she has to. She has that platefulness, so I
think she could feed into Tony Storm's antics.
Speaker 1: She was so good when she came in for her
gauntlet thing. She was like all over the place. I
can't remember what is the finish she does for the
to rope and catches the.
Speaker 2: Head that's spinning.
Speaker 4: It's the I think it's the O face.
Speaker 1: She called it the face. Now, Okay, they didn't call
that w but okay, I love to see it because
that's the thing where Athena stopped using that because she said,
like she thought that was what was getting her injuries.
Was because like think about every night you're doing the
top rope like somersault and you're just laying on your
ass every night. So I like that it gets busted
out for big matches, and it's great that she busted
out and got the win. And it was almost perfect
where she hit it. Did she pin thunder Rosa or
I can't remember who she Yeah, she hit Meana with
it Amina like like like rolled over into it, and
Athena just got her with the legs and pinner. It
was like a like a happy accident that Mena just
happened to be there. But uh no, I just want
Athena on a w TV, even if she doesn't beat Tony,
like no more, Like I think she's very past. It
feels like times when we tumble people XTC where it's
like you're past the time being there, like time to
move up. But yeah, we already talked about in a
little bit, so let's transition into uh Monet and Tony's
storm and yeah, I saw a buried leader, but I
saw some of your thoughts on drop k S Pubs,
and I think I'm exactly where you are where I
think it was a really good match, but it did
not It didn't deliver.
Speaker 4: I still the expectation from everyone was like, this is
going to be the greatest women's mate.
Speaker 1: At least to me. I thought it had a good chance.
And for me, yeah, I think where you put it
a four to five, that's exactly where I am. I
think it picked a lot near the end. I actually
think this stuff with Luther at the beginning kind of
heard it like it just was. I get that Tony
does comedy, I'm fine, but I think this was a
matchup maybe needed to drop that a little bit. I
had the same time they were trying to do this
whole thing where Monette was trying to also play mind game.
So I just think that the beginning was a little
just the pacing was a little off, but I think
near the back half it got really well. Another S
Pubs take, I agree with that. Yeah. The storm zero
is like a that finish that finishes like the crossroads,
like a sweetship music. It's like you gotta hit like
fifty of these to get away, Like I.
Speaker 4: Think everyone has kicked out, like like Anda J has
probably kicked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like that she did the video game
thing where oh, you know, I do I gotta go
hit a super storm, you know, because when she hit
the three in the row, I'm like, oh, Money's definitely
getting this, Like I thought that was a sign right there. No,
I thought it picked up near in the end. There's
good drama. It reminded me.
Speaker 4: A little technical match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very technical, because they do stuff for their heat
up and do like a I think because I think
at one point, yeah, Tony hit the storm zero and
then they went back to like doing not like chain wrestling,
but that type of like holes and stuff. Is like, oh,
this is very And I liked it about Mona's matches,
so and that's a tough thing where I think Mone's
had like a year of doing like almost five out
of five four So I feel like this was like
the lower end, but she still has it. But yeah,
I'd like to see them dude again. The only difference
for me was this didn't feel like one of those
matches like when Becky and lyra verse the first time
on w B I's like, oh, they're holding back till
they have like the big blow up. It was still
great match. This didn't feel like their home back, so
like this was like this felt.
Speaker 4: Like this was like the match. Yeah, like the Triple
Storm zero thing, like I don't think they're good, Like
like what's the escalation on that one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's where I was like, Oh, I don't
like I'd like to see again, but I don't think
it's like oh their hold backs and no, I think
this was a match they wanted. But and I liked
all the mind games. David will know this the series
they did with Cody, Kenny, and Coda where they just
did weird stuff. We're in the middle of match, like
Brandy would go over and kiss Kenny Omega to like
throw off Coda, and then Coda would kiss or Cody
would kiss Coda Boushi to throw off like they were
doing all this weird shit where they're like they're like
four level chests, like well, I'm gonna make out with
your guy. That's what I liked where it was like
most like Tony did the rub and then Monetu kissed
her and then Tony did the thing where she bit
her growing and then Monique Monaq gave her like a
full kiss. Like. I like that story, and that fits
with the Tony character who's like always over sexualizing stuff,
So I like the mone was like trying to like
match her freak per se. So I think Money will
get a couple wins after this to get her back up.
I have see people say they might do the downfall
storyline where she just loses everything, which could be the case,
but I still think Willow is the person that's gonna
beat her for the TBS. I think she'll go on
a different track. I think Money will be the women's
title champion at some point, barring she doesn't go to
WWW again, because we know she'll be back.
Speaker 4: That like the every time she's she's challenged for the
world title on the company's biggest show, she's lost. Now
even including aw.
Speaker 1: Oh really, that's fine. You know, I thought it was
a really like I think I'm downplaying. I think it
was a really good match. I just I was underwhelming,
didn't hit as good as that, because even then, something
like that Tony Storm Meghan Bay match a couple months ago, like,
I even like that better than this. I think Tony
and Mercedes. Pastical months have had better matches with other people,
but this was still good.
Speaker 3: But you know, outside of the Luther stuff, I thought
that this is probably my second favorite match of the night. Yeah,
the sponsor Luther kind of brought it down, but some
of the other aspects of it were fun. Again, the
monette kissing Tony Storm, that is something that it was
definitely a mind game thing. It wasn't just the where
sexualizing this match. It's Okay, this is something you do,
so I'm going to do it to you to try
and throw off I'm gonna try and throw off your game.
And I loved in the post presser when they asked
Tony Storm about kissing Money and she was like, well,
She's like, I did it because I wanted to.
Speaker 2: She goes.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately she beat me to it, so they kind of
threw off the fun of me kissing her. But and
it was just it's that little beat of storytelling of Okay,
I'm gonna try and throw you off your game by
doing your actions to you. And it was fun for
all the comedy that Tony Storm throws in her matches
and things like that, and all this show voting that
Mercedes does they would then get back to just some
good peer showing off wrestling, and I thought that that
was a good mix of you guys each get to
show off that part of your character, but you also
are showing off that you are a peer good wrestler.
Speaker 1: Yeah s, bubs.
Speaker 4: Uh, we'll be talking about well, yeah, you pretty much.
I mean you pretty much said my thoughts for my review,
and I kind of added my own in there. But yeah,
I thought it was a yeah, solid match, really good match.
But yeah, I'd say I had like really high expectations
for it, and I wouldn't say it like reached that,
but I still really enjoyed it overall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then yeah, I think they'll do this again
one day. But and I and you know, good for
me because for I didn't understand this. For some people
ice online, this was like a big make point, make
like breakpoint if like mone one, it was like, oh
my god, it's gonna be awful. I get it because
there's been this the whole thing about Aro having creative
control and all the stuff wich not true stuff.
Speaker 4: I think it's more so like about like how like
if she won and she had all the titles like
already with her being the TBS champion and being in
this match like all the women were just like in
the casino, Like if she if she wasn't challenging for
the world title, there would have been one other like
women's match on this show. So it's like if you
put the TVs and World championship on her, that's like
you're actively just like detracting from what could be Like
the women's division is like the point I saw people
making even for fans of money.
Speaker 1: To me, I was saying, like you just got to
do like I'm not sure if you've ever seen this espence.
Have you ever seen the image of Kurtingle when he
won every title in Tea? Have you seen that?
Speaker 4: Like the photos?
Speaker 1: At one point, yeah, he was new Japan Champion IWGP
and then he was extav him and Ada had a
match for all the belts, and then there was one
night where he had to defend the X division, the
TAG and the world title. I think the Tag he
had to defend like alone, so it's a handicap match.
So that's what I'd say with mone is you know what,
they should have had her win and then one night
she has had like three matches, but yeah, we'll see.
I think they'll keep more away for a while. I
was gonna do this earlier, but because we we were
talking about with Shady and Tony's to talk about the
men's Gauntlin, I thought this was a good one as well.
I thought it was fun. I liked the overall story
of just like we can't let MGFF win this, and
fucking m Jeff find the way to win it.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: I love that multiple were double teaming him there after
him like that. That's a perfect assimilation of the MGF character.
That's why I like that the men's match was more
story driven. The women's match was a bit more spot driven.
But I think that's what is good to separate them.
You know, I don't think even I don't think even
the woman's I don't think there was too many surprises
to go around for the Golin. I was waiting for
one thing.
Speaker 4: They do think pretty much everyone was like just like
a signed a w person.
Speaker 1: Or it's like the round and like a bit, but
it's like okay.
Speaker 3: Outside of Jeece Robinson, I don't think there was anyone
that I was just like, oh wow, I did like
I think it was Roddy who kicked MJF like, right
as he came out, he just.
Speaker 2: Runs the ring, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so the the whole story of we can't
let this guy win. I think like the only real
down point to me was the Mystico entrance.
Speaker 2: I get that again, the Mexican.
Speaker 3: Heritage and then them being in Texas, so a lot
of that Texas crowd is also you know, crowds that
favored these luchadors. But man, between the music that just
had no real nothing that got you hype and then
this long slow and then the stare down before they
go at each other, I'm like that was probably the
part that was like, oh, well, this is that. The
Gates of Agony and the guns was fun, but it
was a I could take it or leave it, Like
it was cool to see the guns again, but cool.
They had a little stoff with the Gates of Agony,
all right, but yeah, the the whole thing with the
mystical entrance, and yeah, I could tell the crowd was
wanting to sing it. People were having fun with it,
but television wise, general audience wise, it just it didn't
really seem to translate well.
Speaker 1: And I also don't think the whole crowd was singing
it because I don't think it was like as loud
as like when the when Edge comes out, or like because.
Speaker 3: It's Spanish lyrics, so only the Spanish speaking crowd probably
knew the song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the things that's like you tell her somebody
just like all right cool, And.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask, like, since I didn't really watch
this match, I saw some people saying that it was
like some people were like sort of down, like because
said it felt more like a rumble match than like
a casino gauntlet match. Like I saw some people complain
saying that like they weren't really going for like pinfalls
that often when the point of the casinos, like you
can just like win it any time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only time it was the spot becast only the
beginning of MGF and Bark Brisco. They were trying to
do like roll ups and everything like that, but that's
that's something where after that they lost. And that My
only other spot too that I really did not like
is the ending with Max Caster was super awkward where
he comes out and he's the last entrance. He's does
his best resident live that's fine, and him and Bowen's
fight the thrown in the ring, he gets hit and
then they like go right to the finish with MGF.
It felt like there was a beat or maybe there
is supposed to be more people, maybe like Garcia and
Dust like some those people were supposed to be in there,
and obviously they got added to the thing. Like it
just felt weird where it felt like they were that
was gonna be something. It felt like it's gonna be Max,
and then you get one more like bigger entrance and
then you go in the finish. But it was just
weird where Okay, Max comes in, he gets beat up,
and then they go to the finish and MGFF wins.
Speaker 4: It's like, I'll get that. I saw an idea for
like what this should have been, which I really like
is like have the win wall. He's still doing his entrance,
like he's doing this long entrance and then like MJF
just like wins in the ring like before you even
got in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that would have been funny. So but yeah, MGF,
who knows. I think I think he's gonna they're gonna
rock with that for a little bit. He can do
the promo time. He's a heel. That's why I still
think like I would. I don't mind them ripping off
the mine of the bank rules, especially for him Jeff,
like that would be a great way for him to
win it. I don't know, we'll see what happens. They're
being fast and loose with it, because I know that
was the rumor last year that they said that with
Christian and I guess they were like, oh, we actual
shouldn't have done that because we don't know when we're
gonna use it. But so I don't know, We'll see
what happens. But yeah, I think M Jeff is gonna
whatever the next big one is. I feel like, because
what we got there's forbindor all out. I don't think
it'll be any of those two. What is after all
out because it's always full gear. They could do it
there because that's Hangman's show, right, and that could be
like a way of Hangman loses it. It's kind of
you know, sentimental. But yeah, we'll see. We all kind
of thought M Jeff was getting it, and we'll see
what happens here. And I hope it's not just like
he is like the first challenger, like he just challenges
hay Many, he just loses, Like I do think m
Jeff should probably be the guy to beat.
Speaker 3: I think that we might have Russell Dream in October.
They haven't officially announced anything with that. Yeah, but the
Gears Full Gears in the next big one after that.
Speaker 2: That's that's their November show.
Speaker 1: And I think they'll let the hurtson and get things
play out first. Maybe unless it is like the money
of the Bank thing and they like interference back.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see, but same thing in a transition there we
had Hurt syndicit take. Not much to say here, but
there's more backap. But no, I actually really liked this match.
This was I think what I enjoyed about this is
Hurts and Kits match style have been they're gonna go
in and there's gonna be powerhouses and not make the
guys look like jobbers, but they're definitely gonna the babyfaceers
gonna sell the whole time, right, and then it's like
the baby's made a quick fire. But for me, that
formula has been a little redundant and I haven't liked it.
I think what I liked about this was having two
teams was great because they would do that to a team,
but then the other team would come right back and
fight them, and they were all That's what was great,
was like hurt Syndikitt was starting to get overwhelmed because
they would power down the sky. But then there's another
guy and then another guy. So and they kind of
did that on Dynamite where they had the teams like
double team them. So I don't think they should they
will do it, but I would be down if Alfurdson
gets taketoes. Defenses now were always three ways because I
liked the idea of two teams trying to gang up
on them and I thought they they looked really good
and no, it was actually like this was like a
solid like three point seventy five for me. I enjoyed
this quite a bit. It was really good. Christians always
great in there. And then after well, Dave, you can
speak on the match and we'll talk of the turn after,
but what do you think about just the match?
Speaker 3: The match itself was good. This was probably my least
favorite match of the night.
Speaker 1: But more than the offs one that was for me
my least favorite that trios to me.
Speaker 3: In saying that, I'm saying that on a scale of
one to ten, this was an eight, and it's my
least favorite match, Like you know, it's it's the least
favorite of a good.
Speaker 2: Set of matches.
Speaker 3: I think that, And I'm just going off of the
match itself, not the fall out. Now, when it comes
to the fallout of it, yes, that I was happier
because that gives Christians somewhere to go off this all right.
I don't know if this is the way he wanted
in the Nick Wayne stuff, but I know he said
that he wanted to finish his story with Nick Wayne
before going onto.
Speaker 2: That next bit.
Speaker 3: So this finishes the Nick Wayne stuff without him jumping
into that bit. But the match itself, it was. It
was my least favorite, but it was still good. And
I like how dominant that her business is. And I
am happy that they kept the tag team championships because
I feel like they should keep them and they should
hold them for a while and they should just be
straight up dominant with it and that should be their thing.
So now with MJF having this title shot, them having
the tag titles.
Speaker 2: The promo.
Speaker 3: Promos that MVP is going to do based upon this
are going to be just gold. So I'm happy with
the results of this. I'm happy with the match so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I suppose I know you didn't see the match.
What did you think of the angle? They had it?
Where so they they they we forgot to mention FTR.
Fuck did you know a bug me that they weren't
in this match? I know they set the angle, they
still could have been the match and stepth angle he
still could have Like they're arguably the greatest tag of
the team in the last decade. But that's fine. I
digress that commentary Christian gets accidentally pushed to them. Of
course they take that as defense. They go in there,
they kind of screw up Christian and screw them over
from getting the win, and then there's some heat after
they're arguing Christian and his whole family. He's like, no,
let's get out of here. But then Nick went which
I appreciated that Christian got out of the rope and
they got him as he was leaving the ring, not
like the chair was like a little I knew it sawn,
but still just like a little fake out. And then
Nick went him, I'm prettier. They go to concerto to him,
and then you know, Edge, Adam Copeland, Cope, wherever the
fuck you want to call him. He came back, uh,
not to save Christian right away. He had to pose
his ass off with fireworks and everything, which was hated,
hated that. He's to me, he's a veteran. He knows better,
Like Nick, you're gonna going for the same and you're
gonna do that.
Speaker 4: Jeff Hardy sing.
Speaker 1: What they're just like crushing his skull as you do.
It's just like I remember because it was a big
deal too, Like a couple of years ago, Riha when
she was in an XT did that because you know she.
Speaker 4: Does like oh I've seen that clip. Yeah, but that
one they did it like that one, Charlotte did it
like like like what you were saying, Like I've seen
the clip. It's like it's like, uh Charlotte is like
has like uh, I think it's yeah, it's Bianca down
and yeah, Riha comes for the safe and like she's
doing her full entrance. But then they cut back to
the ring and Charlotte is just stomping Bianca. Well, Ria's
still doing her.
Speaker 1: Entrance and that. But I remember online Rhea had a
tweet because even of course Bubba Ray like blasted or
on busted open about like being a rookie and all
this stuff. So, like I remember online she like put
out some sort of tweet about like, you know, kind
of something sarcas like taking shots at the WC. But
people don't keep that clip went around for a while
like can you believe is what she's doing. I'm not
saying go atter the restler, but it is just like,
don't do it. Don't do like Edge, I get it,
there's twenty five thousand people. You want that promo, dude
on fucking dynamite, just wait a week whatever. But he
comes down, So what do you think about this? Nick?
Wayne turns Christian also Edge says he picks up the bike,
he's getting ready. He says, go find yourself. Then he
then he walks away. So what do you think about
the turn here?
Speaker 4: I like the ankle the line. I thought it was dumb,
but like like that it felt like the Cody and
Roman thing where he's like you're in my way in life,
like that one thing. Like that's what it felt like
to me. Like I thought it was cringe, but I
thought the whole segment was good in general. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: So I love the line. I suppose I was cringe Davy,
where are you on the go find yourself line? You had?
Speaker 2: The line to me was fine.
Speaker 1: He's Switzerland in the bastard because it's with the power
card next week.
Speaker 3: For that it's both cringe but were for this like
it just it screams two old veterans having there come together. Mark,
So yeah, the whole go find yourself thing. Yet no,
it's perfect for those two, like it just screened something
that would be for them. While yes it is a
cringey line, I'm down for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm it's a very confluent way to get there.
It's rushed and even then it's like Roman, right, Roman
comes back as a babyface. Why he mentally tortured his
family for years, But it's it's all good. And remember
on TV he's never apologized to any of them. His
apology to Jay was you like that's that was his fault.
He is a fucking psychopath. Room rates like he is
a controlling person. But nah, we love him right, same
thing as Wayne.
Speaker 2: Our favorite narcissist. He just said it's all fine.
Speaker 1: Wayne attacking Christian should be a babyface moment. That should
be you've made fun of my dad, You made fun
of my mom. You keep making jokes boll banging my
mom like all the sudden, and its like you lost you.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm pretty sure is like actually real.
Speaker 1: I mean in the sense of like he'll he'll bring
it up when Nick Wayne's down right, like he'll lose
the match, and like, I guess I'll just go spend
time with your mom tonight. But so it's like this
guy is a piece of ship and Nick Wayne turning
should be a baby face moment. That should be Nick
Wayne's crowning. Poppy fine, like no more, I'm not taking it.
But because we want to run Edge Christian versus f TR,
we gotta we gotta make him the heal. So it's convoluted,
it does not work at all, but fucking it's fine.
The only thing I just have to say is honestly, cope.
You know, I'm still calling that Edge that Moxi match
not good. I enjoyed the whatever, the like, the fight
they have with the nails, everything that was a better one.
Edging Christian versus FTR has to deliver. If it does
not deliver, no longer, Edge cannot be any washacktations. It's
over French, It's over for him. He's got like, there's nothing,
there's nothing.
Speaker 4: They'll have Christian wrestle the whole match, tag him in spears, yeah,
and then the double con scare the FDR.
Speaker 1: And five yeah, you know, like they have. And the
good thing is with this they've set up very story driven, right,
even F Tier is like, don't get our way, we
don't want to do this again. That's what they need
to do is not do the spot heavy match. They
need to do a storage driven wrest match with FTR
can do. But the thing is, I think they were
trying to do.
Speaker 4: We'll Edge and Christian put FDR over.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not no way, no, no, no, no, no, they're going
over because you know, Tony Khan had full intentions to
strap up the Hardys and then Jeff Hardy screwed up. Again,
Tony Khan has full intention to strap up Edge and Christian.
They will be take Team champions. Even if the F
Tier match sucks, they will be TAK Team champions. It's
just a question of how good we can go. And
again I don't know if Edgen Christian should beat the
hurt sinning it, but if they still the titles, they're
being the hurt sing GG like Edge and Christian are
going to be aw TA team champions. He wants it
in the lineage the same way as like Dustin. I
think he want like when he talked about Dustin last night,
he's like, yeah, you were on one of the first
T and T broadcasts of this and blah blah blah.
It's like Tony Khan's big into the lineage and that's thing.
So I just hope the FTR matches. I'm hoping a four.
That's all I'm asking. I know it's a lot to ask,
but that's my barometers. If I get a four and
five out of Edgend, Christian and FTR, that's happening for me.
Anything above that is so And you know, the crowd's
gonna be there. It's in Toronto. They have no worry
about that. The crowd's gonna be fired up. It's like
punk in Chicago. Like punk can have a one star
in Chicago, but it's gonna sound like a five star.
Like it doesn't matter. Edgend Christian. They they're smart, but
I just still want the crowd to or I still
want the match to have quality. So we'll see. It's
gonna be interesting, and you know they'll get a warm
up because they're probably gonna do those two versus Kipsabian
and Nick Wayne first, right, so they'll get a warm up.
They'll figure that stuff out and uh yeah, we'll see
what happens. And Ed's pretty much insinua like he's about
to be done. So they could do like they could
do the Ed. They they literally could run back sting
in Derby where their last matches them in the tag
team title picture. You know, Christian hasn't said anything about
his career, but uh yeah, I'm excited, even though very convoluted,
make no sense, but you know what, that's wrestling. Sometimes
sometimes you just cheer the back guys because again, everyone
fucking loves Christian making fun of people's dead dads. It's
been one of the best gimmicks. And I'm sad it's over,
but I'll fondly look back on Jack.
Speaker 4: I still do it to make way in like one
more time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if Edge does it. That's gonna be
the thing too, like if he gets Edge on it
and stuff like that. So we'll see. So I brought up, well,
I guess we could hit these ones off now quickly.
But ops and Trios. I I thought this was fine.
I said this in discord, very odd way to start
the show. I didn't think I had enough heat for it.
I would have went the men's Gauntlet. So I thought
this was fun. This for me was my weakest match
to the card. And then you know they got the
win for the ops. You know, good for them. I'm
mostly I was had, but actually was. When Shabaga had
tagged in, I was like, man, good for him. This
was one of those guys his career was over, never
gonna wrestle again, and here he is in front of
twenty five thousand. Good to see Gabe kid there. I
hate that him Claudio moxerre so close together, because man,
it's just variations of the same person, like bald guy.
Like at least Claudia is a lot like more. He's
a different structure, but like bald guy Beard, they.
Speaker 4: Just that that one dynamite where they were like dressed exactly.
Speaker 1: The thing was scary. Yeah, it's like someone needs to
shave or grow their beard out even bigger. I don't know.
So this to me is like a fine but you know,
not bad. It was just like a fine match.
Speaker 4: So David, I did think it's like a weird choice
to open this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know it was. It was odd
maybe the film something that's how I got Yeah, I
gotta be at it.
Speaker 4: Like especially since like what's in the casino, like the
second match on the show, like the casino. Yeah, like
you could have just done that as like the opening.
Speaker 3: But I think the reason for hav in the opening
is because you book in the Death Riders stretch somebody. Yeah,
you start off with the reminder of weird, dangerous people.
You end with the reminder of even though we lost
the championship, weird dangerous people. So from a perspective of
if you're gonna have somebody's stretcher, if you're gonna do
the struccher spot, you don't do it two matches.
Speaker 4: In the row.
Speaker 3: You don't do it in the middle of the match
if the crowd is dead, because as we saw with
the TNT match, you know there were some crowd issues.
So say this goes on right after that and the
crowd is still dead and you lose that momentum of
them structuring out somebody. So you've got the crowd coming
in hot. You do this match like I'm a.
Speaker 2: Fan of Samo Joe.
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of Gabe kids, so I love some
of their hard hitting in that. I always love watching
Shibata wrestle, just everything he went through the whole Kim
possibly not being able to wrestle again, and this.
Speaker 1: Match, I was surprised they did that spot even like
that's and I think it's not like Kate, like fucking
Shabana Skull caught crack from those butts, Like I'm sure
he's good now, But when they did do that, I
was like, geez, Like I almost would to love if
they say that for like a one on one or something,
but yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, so again, I this slightly edges out the tag match,
not by much, but I think that just it was
for me. It was a a good match with that
and Shabbon and Kid just having that exchange to start
the match.
Speaker 2: Joe made this hit on you that knocked him down
that just looked vicious.
Speaker 3: And then there was another spot where ye where Joe
did the walk away spot when he was on the
outside of the ring like in that spot always just
makes me laugh, so like for that, it was a
good opener on the fact that I understood towards the
end of it, I understood, Okay, this is what they're doing.
They are starting with even with the death Riders losing,
we're still strong. And they ended the night with that
as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we only got two matches level tup
of this one quickly. I don't know much say about
match that was fine. They put in the work was
the four way oust Adam Cole. So it sounds like
this report he's got concussion. Hopefully. That's the tough thing
because he had that concussion injury a couple of years ago,
but he was gone for a very long time, and
concussions can work that way, like look at Brian stuff.
It takes years off. So and when he used the
retire where I was like, oh no, so hopefully hopefully
one just like health wise, just good in general whatever
whatever wrestling because he has like a legacy, but of
course the guy loves wrestling, so but yeah, you can
tell you come out not looking good. And then they
did the four way. Dustin got the win and it
was you know, we joked on the discord and I
was like, it's just Kyle or DJ, and you know,
he got the win, and the moment after the match
did sell it, and I think it will be bigger
for Fletcher to win it in his souls if he
does win it. I know you shared them on discord.
Was that the last time David the Fletcher Cole match?
Was that the last time Cole wrestled? Is that confirmed?
Speaker 4: He wrestled on collision this week and like a tag match?
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, that's that's weird.
Speaker 4: So yeah, when like it got like reaggravator or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm guessing that that thing that I put
in the discord is when it happened. And then he
was on commentary for a couple of weeks and doing
like little spots. He was doing spots but not really wrestling,
and then he did the tag match and that was
probably like, oh, he's he's not ready to go.
Speaker 4: So yeah, was supposedly like after Collision he was fine
and like said he was fine, and then just like
the morning of All In, he told Tony Kahn that
like he wasn't feeling well enough to do it.
Speaker 1: No, that sucks to go all big crowd whatnot? Aly
maybe in the first one, I'm Jeff, but yeah, I
felt it was fine. I think Dustin I was actually
I was fine. With this because it was like a
nice moment after like the cold thing. Like I said,
the match, even the crowd, it was crowd was dead
until the last Like I remember, Sammy did like a
like a moonsa like off the top rope in the crowd.
That was when they finally woke up. But it took
a little bit and Dustin did get a pop because
he wants from Texas. Got to see the Rogue Brothers there,
you know, the next generation of the Rode the Road's happening.
But I think they'll give him. Like all I ask
is the tt tail has been booked very poorly. All
I ask is just even if this is a mini
month and a half two month run, make it good.
And I'd like him to lose it on a big stage,
like it all out or something like make it a
big deal.
Speaker 4: Make Kyle Kyle just like destroy him for like the heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah you could do that too, you could just job
him out, but uh yeah, I hope at least the
in between is unless they're just doing like a Dustin's
gonna lose it this week on Dina, you know they
could do that, but I because they could have just
went for the moment because even soa Sorea like Sorea
page where she's gonna be Now, she didn't hold it
for like a week, but she only held for a month.
They just did the whole like, well, we're in the UK,
let's give her the moment and then move on. So
that could be this where Dustin has like maybe he
beats yeah, he beats lance Ar sure, and then.
Speaker 4: Like Blake Christian exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and I like the full circle Cody was
the first champion. You know, Dustin's got it right now,
there's some fun stuff there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I had said on the discord about halfway
through the match, that's and I was like, oh, I
think that they may end up giving this to Dustin
just for the Texas popping so that t K can
go on and knowing about how much he loves the
Rhodes family.
Speaker 2: Both of those things happened.
Speaker 3: So I was just like, oh, yeah, the crowd was
dead but for most of it, but it's not hard
to see why. Again, you just had this emotional moment
of Cole coming out, giving that heartfelt speech, having the hug,
everyone wondering is this it for him or not. My
favorite spot in the match, though, was everyone taking turns,
kicking Kyle Fletcher.
Speaker 2: That was hilarious.
Speaker 1: That was good in the corner with the nutshots and everything.
Speaker 2: Yes, the shattered dreams. He lines them up and they're
like no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Let me get one, and you know, it's like, I
know this is your move, but let me get one first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's it's so funny about Samy Guevara,
where like, man, the crowd just still hates this guy,
like he's been just bland babyface on our Oh he's
just a tag guy. He's just a dustin tag guy.
That's all he's doing. He's here on diamond, here and there,
but he's like no character, nothing, He's just doing cool moves.
And still second he was in the ring people boo.
It's like, man, people just hate this and it's like
I don't know what they do. I don't know what
the trajectory of his career is in the future. But like, man, people,
he's he's got that go away heat still.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Funny thing is like all of this kind of started
around the time that him and uh Tamello started dating
in you know, no one knows what happened behind the scenes,
but it's just Okay, you trot it out your girlfriend,
you proposed tor on live TV, and a couple of
months later we see that you're now dating Okay, super
hot wrestler, and now.
Speaker 1: You're getting John a TV for poles whole thing.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, And like that was the beginning of people
like this dude's a scumbag.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was weird. It was like two months
later he was day and tied. Everyone was like, wait
a second, we just made it like Tony gave you
TV time to propose your grip, right.
Speaker 3: I yeah, you talked about how she's been with you forever,
how she supported you while you were on the road,
and how no one else would have put up with
all this other stuff. And then it's like, oh, hey,
we just had this hot girl join the roster. I
think I'm go over here for a while. And after
that people were just like, yeah, he's a scumbag.
Speaker 1: I'll be very curious see what happens with his contract expires,
if he's with the AW or if he would try
if w would have any interest. I don't know, because
he's still talented in the ring, like he can move,
he does some stuff very flawless, but I don't know
what his trajectory is. But then, uh, well, I guess
I saw a lot. We had two to talk about.
What we got the tag match with Bucks and Osprey
and Swerve. I really like that. Thought this was lots
of fun. I love the founding father's gimmick. The interests
way too long, unfortunately with the boat, but this was
what you would expect. But there's some good Swerve. I
love Swerve, just being annoyed at Ospray all the times
the match, and then when Ospray hit him, I was
glad though they didn't do the whole like you clearly
hit me by accident, but the wrestlers like you. You
you hit me intentionally, you bastard. So no, I thought
was good. I was surprised about the winners. I thought
Bucks would win, and I thought that I still maybe
think the Bucks should have win, because I thought that
would have made swerves moment even bigger, to like, he
can't have the title, so he's literally just given a
hang man because like, well, like here you go, like
you you you run with a cowboy. So I thought
it was a good match. I maybe would have swapped
the winners. But yeah, I thought there's some really fun
stuff at the end, and it's, uh, you know, you
got your ospray isms and Swerve's a great character and
uh yeah, so I thought it was lots of fun.
Speaker 3: This was actually my favorite match because of the spots.
I am a spot monkey horse, so I'm I'm all
for it everyone. I have been very open with my
love of will Osprey and so everything from the Assassin's
Creed entrance, which again I'm hoping that someone at Ubisoft
gave him a pass so that he gets all the games.
Speaker 1: Put him in a game already, this guy tat it's
on his gear all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was great.
Speaker 3: I did laugh at the announcer said on a couple
of occasions like how will Swerve work an attack team?
And then at one point they even said that, uh,
he may struggle because he's not used to being an
attack team, And I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, what happened to Swerve in his glory? Like that
was a whole thing.
Speaker 3: He he's he's been in tag teams before.
Speaker 2: The Bucks continue to just they do great matches, win
or lose. The Bucks put them.
Speaker 3: You can love them, you can hate them, but they
put on some amazing matches. The evp trigger on Osprey,
the reversals of certain moves by them, that whole back
and forth with them and will Osprey just reversing was great.
Speaker 2: The kickouts felt.
Speaker 3: Monumental, like you would hold your breath thinking that okay,
this was the end, and then there would be a kickout.
Speaker 2: And Swerve is just amazing.
Speaker 3: I really do hope that he gets a chance at
a championship again, whether it's finally beating Hangman known down
the line, or.
Speaker 1: Finally he's got the winning record on him. Man, they're like,
what one?
Speaker 3: I mean for the title after they built it up
for it, it's probably gonna be another year or six
months to a year of build They better not do
this immediately, but.
Speaker 2: Have that build up. They face each other and.
Speaker 3: You know this that ends their long running blood feud,
or if he wins the Unified title, like I feel
like Swerve has definitely earned another title run to be
that face because the man is.
Speaker 2: Just amazing in the ring.
Speaker 3: He's amazing in his character work, he's amazing in his
presentation and just his entire style. He's just he's a
damn good wrestler. And so yeah, for me, this was
my favorite to watch it had the most rewatchability out
of all the matches, and shout outs to Jojo Offerman
for making an appearance.
Speaker 1: I just saw this fact that all In had surpressed
Wrestling thirty five as the longest WrestleMania a wrestling pay
per view ever, So there you go. That's why it
did felt like even longer than a w stamps.
Speaker 3: But well, I'm glad it went on earlier because that
WrestleMania thirty five, man, that was brutal.
Speaker 1: That would have been a nighttime Well, yeah, thirty five
is bad, but I supposed to. Have you seen this
match hit or no?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Okay? Were you surprised? What do you think about the outcome?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought I thought like my prediction was that
the Bucks were gonna win, So yeah, I was surprisingly outcoming.
I wonder where it's I mean, they said they were
just gonna like give up the the EVP titles anyway,
but I still wonder where the story goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really know what you do. I feel
like the Bucks are, well, okay again, you're gonna do
You're gonna run Bucks and edgend Christians, so there's something there,
but I don't really know what they're gonna do with
the Bucks now, because Maxley, it's like the Riders, they
have a clear path. I don't. I don't know what
you do with the Bucks. They are getting that point soon,
abywhere it's like they've done almost every right. So that's
why I thought they would get the win here to
try to like do some other EVP stuff. But we'll see.
But speaking of that, uh, you know the other EVP
Kenny O Maga versus Ocada, trying to recapture that new
Japan magic. So I suppose I'm gonna start with you
because this is your first time scene a because you've
still not yet seen the other ones, right, this is
your first Yeah, So what did you think about this match?
The outcomes everything like that.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I really really liked this match. I thought
it was really good. I was prepared to get mad
once like the referee was distracted and Don Callus is
standing up and beating up Kenny. But I think even
with all that, and even like Rocky Romero running out,
I think these two guys are are so good that
even in the end, it is still a great match.
Speaker 1: What you David, You're like me come from. We've seen
seen it all. This is them running it back. Okada wins.
So now they're tied again. So I know they're trying
to say it's the end of the story, but it's like, literally,
I feel like that that was my issue we did
at the end of the story. But now they're tied.
That would directly tell us that's not the end of the story.
You would have a tiebreaker now to see who is
the now definitive winner.
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, it was a great match. It
was Kenny Omegan Okada, Like, what can you say about it?
It was just a great match. The video package to
start Kenney's entrance, all of that was amazing. The final
ending sequence of this match was amazing, and yeah, it
was just it was a damn good Okada Omega match.
I will say this, if they do one more, just
so that it's not tied, please please please keep don
Kallis away from this match.
Speaker 1: Well, did you hear what Tony con said? The media
scream about the rules of the title now, so they
said that because they had the continental title that was
remember no interference, But last night was an aaw match.
But now he's like, well, because the winner of the
Continental won this match, we're gonna go with the Continental
rules going forward, so there's no interferences. Hate that just so.
Speaker 4: Just a twenty minute time limit.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and if they'll be like every once in
a while longer.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the fact that because it's like the continental
rules well specifically mentioned.
Speaker 1: You can't make that then the second B title, then
you're telling me, let's say that's more than oh yeah
that I that they will amend that the same way
like that, This makes no sense. This match should have
been continental rules, right, So to me, it makes no
sense for it not to bea win due to interference
and then the.
Speaker 4: Rules because it wasn't for the Continental Championship. Since because
both thefication he said the Continental well because they're not
technically unified. He's mentioned like both titles, their reigns are
going to continue this as a new title.
Speaker 3: Okay, but whoever was would have both belts, so it
should be both sets of rules.
Speaker 4: Since the Continental champion won, the new title is gonna
have the rules, and if Keny had won, it wouldn't
had those rules.
Speaker 1: M it's all like MCU DCU, like when you started
getting that my new show, Like, well there's this candas
guy's like no, like this is like domb explanation.
Speaker 4: It's just like and the fact they're keeping both raids
makes me think that like at some point it's gonna
get like ununified. It's like, well the titles there or not.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, Like that was the whole point. Get
rist some titles, put them together. Yeah. No, I like
the match.
Speaker 3: I'd say, outside of Don Kallas then it was a
Kenney Ocotta match. It's it's always good. Its just it
wasn't my top match because it felt like, Okay, this
is a Kinney Ocotta match. You're doing great things, but
there wasn't anything outside of the entrances and the final
minute that really wowed me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for me, it's one of those things when
we talk about like orest was hold back stuff and
match to later, that's where it's like, I feel like
there's nothing for these guys to hold back anymore. It's
just like and that's where it's like, good for you guys,
suppose you hand seen that was because they both times
had wrestled like like the first match, they've wrestled hour,
like like they've wrestled an hour, they've done two to
three faults like all their matches other than the one
g one when they drawed, which was like I think
it was like twenty one minutes or something like that,
Like or no, that wasn't the win. Which one was
the draw David g one? Or was that the one
where Kenny like beat him really quickly? That's what, right,
because it went wrestled Kingdom ocaughta beat him and then
it was the hour draw and then Kenny beat him
like like in a shocking in the g one which
was like twenty minutes and then Kenny one. So that's
where he won the series. So that's where it's like
we've seen these guys go for literally wrestle two hours
and then they do other stuff. So this was I'll
put this over the G one match. Yeah, I didn't
love the interference. I hate that Don Cols was in
commentary too. That bugged me because in the pasture he
was in commentary, but it was like, oh, he's just
Kenny's friend. He wasn't full of manager. Where this is
like every time they're trying to tell the story about
Kenny come back. Yeah, but Kenny's a piece of shit. Uh,
And it's like all right, like it's just like low ball,
like heel work that sometimes worked, but I don't want here.
So for me, this was like two guys playing the Hits.
I maybe gonna rewatch it again to see, but it's
kind of everything I feared. But I'll say it was
better than I thought, at least like it was gonna be.
But yeah, to me, it's definitely nowhere near like when
Kenny won the title or the draw or the first match.
Those are different universes and stuff, but yeah, and I
was surprised by the winner until you know, Meltzer kind
of spoiled that when he said Omega's getting surgery in
like July August, is like, well he ain't fucking being
no gootta here, like you're not gonna have your first
undisputed champion like.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 4: I just thought it's.
Speaker 1: Like shoulder surgery or something. I had to find it.
But yeah, no, the Meltzer and I think it was
like last Friday he put out, I'll try and find
what it was, but Omega surgery, which is like, again
not good for Kenny because it's like he's he just
got back. I have to find it, but let's see surgery.
But yeah, no, I think I'm like I'm at a four.
So again I'm probably making it sound like worse than
it is. But uh no, let's see, I can't find
ye at it.
Speaker 3: Out of the three that were listed as the the
three main events, this was my least favorite of the
three main events.
Speaker 1: I could agree there I would go that far too.
So yeah, we'll see. Well, what they need to do
coming up here is on dynamite. They need to have
like a killer diamond. They need to go because sometimes
they do that and then I find the show after
the big events. So yeah, we're just gonna have some
good wrestling, have that for sure, but definitely make sure
you go and you you put on some like some
good angles, some new starts and everything like that. So
we'll see. We'll go over a certain night's main event.
Now let's start with uh, let's start with Gunther and
Goldberg because we'll do set next. That'll be a bit longer.
But David, what did you think about the send off
Goldberg his last time?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: That before you before you go hang on the thatch
and then Cole's like, usually Goldberg, ass what's next? And
then or who's next? And now he's gonna be asking
what's next? Like, what do you mean he's gonna be
asking what's next? Like he's been retired for almost fifteen years,
Like he's just gonna be chilling making money on merged.
Like it's not like they made it sound like, and
it's so funny to say that. And then when they
come from commercial, Goldberg's like has so many family friends.
I mean it sound like this man's alone, Like what's
what's next for him? It's like he's gonna go chill.
This kid, he's gonna So I just didn't like that
line from Cole. It's like he's fine, Goldberg's fine, he
just tried his best. He lost, you know, But what
do you think about the match?
Speaker 3: Though? Yeah, the match went three times longer than it
should have. There were multiple times when it got a
little bit sloppy or like Goldberg just looked gassed. And
I know some of it was them playing up the
knee leg situation. Other parts is it just it looked
bad now him hitting the Jack cammeron things, he didn't
drop him like he did the Undertaker, So I was
I was happy with that, but this this should not
have gone as long as it did. And then the
ending postmatch ending was weird. Okay, so matches over gun,
the rolls out, He's like, all right, see it, and
then next thing you know, they just cut to commercial
and I'm like, oh, are we done?
Speaker 2: This is done?
Speaker 3: Because there's literally like they stay tuned for the fair Yeah,
there's there's two minutes left of this show. So I'm
thinking we're done. Had Luckily I left the TV on,
and so then they come back. They do one commercial,
come back and he's doing his farewell and then that
gets cut and I'm like, oh, okay, so see ya.
Speaker 1: This is exactly when we talk about last episode of
why we don't want to see a special on TV.
You cannot. This cannot happen to John Cy. Either you
need to do no commercials.
Speaker 4: Start doing it way or like you start the match
like way earlier on.
Speaker 1: You have to give that a full hour then, because
this cannot have the fact that I know the speech
is out there, but the fact that he got cut
off in his last one, it's like, oh, not care
for me. I'm not a Goldberg guy, but.
Speaker 3: You since somebody else home early, yeah, so that you
can get to your full time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was staying that was stupid too of like
why I pay for the extra time, Tony, you know,
like we had to miss with State.
Speaker 4: Thing that's funnier because I think like literally the last
line before he gets cut off is like he said
something like, oh we're past midnight now or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like I'm gonna wait. Yeah, He's like I'm
gonna wait and then we'll keep going the speech after
and then he just did that. So I suppose what
did you think of Goldberg and Glunther.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I thought it was an enjoyable match. I
thought it was funny. I think once we were like
I think after we made our like time predictions, like
the stuff and the promos with gun there, I knew
was gonna go much longer. It's not like it could
change because through this whole thing was like like I
know you only last like three minutes, so I'm gonna
make this match like I'm just gonna torture you in
this match for as long as possible. So I knew
it was gonna be longer than what we predicted. But
uh yeah, I thought it was. It was enjoyable, Like
it was like Goldberg played the hits like I was
about to type it in the discord, but it happened
before I could even type. It's like, I bet they're
gonna do a ref bump so he can do the
spear in the jackhammer and have goom their like kick
out of it. And yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was sure was going on with the ref
bump there, but like, you're right, and I was like, oh,
who's coming down, what they're gonna do, et cetera. So yeah, no,
I'll update you. I think that the Keno Mega thing
I saw, I think someone just shared an old article,
so I don't want to put that out there. He's
not I don't think he's actually injured, so I guess
i'd just beat him, which I was surprised because I
thought TK loves Omegan just loves the crown and stuff.
So there you go. But it makes sense Bay Facial, all.
Speaker 2: The EVPs using.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but you know, Goldber and Gutther. I enjoyed
this more than I thought I was gonna. I thought
it was a good time. Yeah, Bill, you know, he's
tired old. I'm not saying I love this, but I
thought it. I thought this was gonna be like a
veiling grade where for me it's like a I at three,
you know, like yeah, like it's like a three. Goot
the tried his breast. I like that one more where
he did shopping when Goldberg just kind of laughed it off.
So you got as much as you could do. But
this was the sign of like, Okay, this is the
end of the road. Here gives Gunther, you know, a
big win so we can say his last one to
fight Goldberg. I know there's some Scooper I don't know
their tear of saying like, oh, Goonther's the plan final postage.
Speaker 4: It's a scooper who like they drop one scoop like
every like eight months, but they're like always right like
they dropped like like it's gonna be Sena and Cody
at Mania, and like like a year before it happened.
They're like, okay, it was like before there are like
any hints of it at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see what happens there. But that'd be
good if you get Gunthro to be the final Goldberg match,
final Sea match. You're building him up. So no, I
thought this was not a train wreck, which we've literally
seen Goldberg have multiple times in his like later WWE career.
So when Yeah, the speech that was very awkward. So
we'll see what happened.
Speaker 3: But now we also got an appearance by Ernest the
Cat Miller.
Speaker 1: So you can't the cat and I saw some tweet
where he was there for Goldberg and Ricky the RAMS
final match from the wrestler So the Cat and.
Speaker 4: Uh that's Josh Burnett was there too.
Speaker 1: He was Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Yeah, but you
know what, Goldberg, I hope you never see you again
in the hearing or anything.
Speaker 2: It's like, now he's going to blood Sport, God.
Speaker 1: Damn him versus Naddy. They're gonna do that, and Naddy's
gonna sharp shoot all the money there. Oh my god,
it's gonna be the ref. Yeah. But yeah, now we'll
talk about a match that like I don't even rated
because like the way I win, it's not a full match.
But this is more just about the circumstances. This is
like a big piece, much like the Live Morgan thing
that happened. We had l A Knight and steph rawlins
and you know, matches going fine and whatnot, and then
he does like a semi ass I say, like move
or so yeah, Moon Salt on the ring, kind of
like the same thing like Jerko does the Lion Salt,
which is crazy because people show I saw a clip
where when.
Speaker 2: He does how you introduce itself?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is different though because this time with
Jenner he land on his stomach, but this he land
on his leg. I'm gonna say if this is true,
and like for Seth, he knows that's true, probably trying
to retire that move because it's probably your knee telling you, hey,
don't do this. All I'm hoping for is this is
a minor six to eight week injury where he could
still be on TV and talk and that Bronson and
bron do their thing. Even he asked the miss Summer sign.
That does suck because people are saying that's maybe what
he like him and Roman were doing, because I think
the general rumor right now is like punkin Gunther and
then Roman and Seth, which I'm all for. That sounds great.
Maybe Seth and Punk will finish their trilogy at some point.
But that's what I'm really hoping for, is the six
to eight week because if it's longer, hey, it's one
of those surgeries, like those surgeries that before could even
said it's the same need that he had at the
bad time. It's like, man, that really throws a lot
of things into question. Luckily, the money in the bank
briefcase is like good for a year, so you can wait.
Speaker 4: For a same time. I think like, if they know
it's gonna be long, they could do like like just
do another money in the bank later. I think they
do that summer slim. Really, I think if they if
they if they know it'll be a long time, like
a really long time, they might do that. But like
you said, yeah, if it's good for a year, that
could be like like yeah, just right away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: He could be back by Survivor series which is end
in November, if it's not too too bad. If not,
then yeah, I would just I would let him chill until.
Speaker 2: WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: But I would also have him post a lot about
the I'm coming back. You never know when I'm coming back,
Like do something to reind that he has the money
in the bank, or you get have Paul walk around
with the money in the bank.
Speaker 1: Paul will always interrupt Cody, whoever the champion is, you
can do that. So that's what But I'm just hoping
it is not like a six to eight month or
like that. We've seen that before with Seth. So that's
the thing where because that would ruin a lot of
creative they got going on.
Speaker 3: So or you know, we've had people steal the money
in the bank briefcase before. It could be a situation
where they give it to Broun Breaker, like Paul goes
the holder of the briefcase gets to cash it in
and has Broun Breaker cash in.
Speaker 1: They could. I hope they don't because I don't get wrong.
I think there is a way while Seth is gone
for Seth to anoint Braun the leader till I get back.
And then this is let's say Seth gone for a while.
If Seths gone for a while, to anoint him the leader,
and then when Seth gets back, Broun doesn't want to
give it to being the leader. That's an easy story
to do right there, Even though I'll do like that sucks.
I feel that's I mean, that's why I was just
gonna say, like, and I don't want that. We were
just going on this whole turn. So maybe do the
other route. Maybe you make Braun the Maybe it's like
you held it down, but then when Seth gets back,
you just Breek brothers and like you did this wrong,
you did this wrong. That's how it flip it as
you Braun should be the leader of the group. But
when Seth gets back, it's like no, no, no, like
it's mine or something like that. So that's I just
really hope it's like really bad timing. But they had
to walk him out, and I know there's like a
close up video and he's dropping f bombs and I
just felt like the look in his face, like, man,
he knows what this type of injury feels like. So again,
who knows? Because wrestle made you when he was gone
at forty he came back a lot sooner than we
all thought, right, like when he is music.
Speaker 4: Hit oh yeah, but then like he was like you're
killed off him? Yeah, And like like at Money in
the Bank, like he was moving like fine, but it
was still like sort of injured. And then at SummerSlam
he just did like a guest referee, right, which is
also like Bianca's doing a guest referee at Evolution. That
drinkes you feel like again like she's not like one
hundred and one hundred percent yeah and yeah, and then
Seth right after SummerSlam is when he got like destroyed
by Bronson reed and like written off again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see and hopefully that's the worst case.
Hopefully it's not a case of he should have been
gone a little longer, came back quick and now this knee.
But he's been wrestling for a while, he's done rumbles,
he did the main event like he's been there. So again,
sometimes injuries are just freak injuries, right, they just happened.
So I just man, I hope, but you know, smart
of him. I really give him the credit again, says
like a concert professional, you could tell him tell you know,
doctor aman, you know a classic punk favorite, like he said,
like I'm good to finish. He got up to the
bf T because it's that way. It's like when Monett
broke her leg and the match with Willow until the
ref like just tell her pin me, because it's like
it just gives him like he's a little shine, you know.
It's like like will look up to win the title
l a Knight, Like sure, Ellen Knight should not be
beating Seth. Rollin's clean right now. But it's like that's
why I felt like Seth had to feel like I'm
not going to be back like in the next couple
of weeks here, like just haven't beat me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can tell it's like a chance could like
on paper, this is like l A. Knight's biggest like
when ever. Absolutely, and he just did it and just
like walked off with like no reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah he beat him. He beat a you know, future
Hall of Fame or multi world champion stuff. So kudos
to Seth for getting up taking it and putting him
over because you could easily just stop the match there
and everyone understand. But kudos sim And he's always been
that forty. He was injured working hurt like but that
is the thing we work hurt or catches up, so
you know, kudos to Seth just being a professional. I
just all the open minor injury. We've heard no updates
on Mike cole so minor injury that he's out for bid, right,
I said, I could do the punk thing. We're punk.
Remember he was injured for months, but he is always
around talking and that'd be great if Seth could just
be another mouthpiece with Paul for Bronze and that's when
you can get Ricky or so this is the perfect time, though,
to bring up a new member, because you could say, hey,
well Seth's out, we need some backup, whether it's Ricky Starks,
Eat the Page, whatever, even somebody else if they want
to add another one, because it's say Set's gone for
a while and Paul's like, I want to run with
four people, This is the perfect time to bring up
some new blood. So we'll see what happens there. So
that that was shitty, but and I was overall the
Sataimes event I enjoyed. I thought was better than some
other shows next.
Speaker 4: Any of the other matches, to be honest, only you didn't.
I at least saw Goldberg and good there. And I
saw like the Beyonca Jay or the Jada Naomi segment.
Speaker 1: Beyond fucking Monster Mega stole Cold Pop what man that
they went wild for people You and this woman. Man,
you didn't miss anything with other mattress. Actually, Jimmy and Solo.
Speaker 4: Were the clips of like Ivy said, Jimmy and Sola
going crazy.
Speaker 1: They were going crazy, but they have like a decent matchic.
I thought it was a good match. And there was
a moment where the way Solo one I loved, he
rolled up Jimmy and to get leverage Ta Tonga put
his foot into the like ring and push soul to
hold the mountain will standing up. It was so cool.
I was like, oh, yeah, this guy's seven foot I'm
sure someone's done it, but it was like such a
cool finish. I was like, oh, that's smart because the
ref wouldn't even see it. It's just like looks like
tallat standing there. Oh he's got his foot in the rope.
It was so good. And then Jimmy and then Drew
and Randy was nothing. It just set up this mattress.
I get it. I don't need to hear Bubba Ray
and other veterans be like, you don't get it, Restumatia ones.
We all understand. I get what jelly roll is to
be there. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying don't
do it. You get the mainstream coverage. I can still say, hey,
I don't want to see this. And there's ways to
do it.
Speaker 4: Is jelly roll pinning logan clean in the in the
middle of one.
Speaker 1: Choke, slam one, two, three, it's over, you know so,
And there's just times you can do this slip stuff there.
Even with Paul stuff that I've complained. That's just because
I don't like Logan Paul. The stuff they'd done with them,
it has worked. The stuff they did with Bad Bunny
has worked. So And I'm not saying Jelly Roll's not
a fan. I'm not saying he's gonna not put in
the work. It's just this at Summer Slam, when we
have that busy days, this will be a I'm gonna
eat or bathroom Like, I don't care at all. I
think the thing I care the most about is I
just hate that Randy, but more specifically that Drew McIntyre's here.
I get it, you can get Drew some coverage, but
I just like, I don't know, does Trip Ashes not
view Drew as like a tippy top guy, like you
just used them as like a you know, a solid
B plus player. It's like, I just wish at SummerSlam
Drew was having something more high profile. Hell maybe well, no,
the match is already announced. I was gonna say, finally
do him in Roman again, But no, I just I
just wish Drew was doing stuff that wasn't fighting Jelly Roll.
But you know that's what's Yeah, So David, any thoughts
on any of those others may event matches.
Speaker 2: The main event.
Speaker 3: The opening match was the Get People's Attention match, but again,
you're going up against a pay per view, so it's
not like many people are switching over. You may have
some people like me who will to ROW on Saturday
nights made event like on their iPad or on another
device just to kind of watch it in the background.
But honestly, I wasn't paying attention to most of that
match until Jelly Roll called a Claymore and I was like, oh, cool,
so that happened.
Speaker 2: Other than that, like, I didn't care about it.
Speaker 3: There were some interesting spots in the US I don't match,
but again I wasn't. At no point was I truly
invested in this, and at no point did I think
that Jimmy was actually gonna win. So I'm like, all right,
that's that's how you guys started off, and you're gonna
keep you know, slow rolling this thing so that you
can buy time until AW decides to finish their super
long show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the time, just so Jimmy or Jacob
can be solo at SummerSlam probably too. So yeah, we're
doing that.
Speaker 3: So now I will say, going back to the Bianca
Naomi segment. That moment when Naomi runs up on Jade
and just catches her in midair with the form, I
was like, geez.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be I think the no holds
bart is going to really help Jade in that match
to night. I'm excited to see and hear your guys thoughts,
and I'll say, I don't know about predictions, but now
I'm I'm very torn on Rihanneo because you had said
that you thought Stephanie might win, and I always thought like, well,
Bianca could always be that surprise, but now Bianca's not
on that match.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any surprise trips in the Battle Royal.
I think, yeah, all them.
Speaker 1: So that that's what's tough. So I really don't know
who's win. Night's a good I'm still saying yah, I'm
still putting my money on.
Speaker 4: I saw someone say like, because at the Goldenberg, mats
are like, oh, does every main event need need like
a rep bump and stuff like that, And I was like,
my thought was like, if re and you get a
main event with with rep bumps and run ins, that's
true equality.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, So yeah, yeah, fun enough show. I like
watching Satay Night's event the day after after his record though,
because lots of commercial breaks. But I have not watched
any Bash. I will because I started Stay Night's May
event last night and then I fell asleep and I
try to watch it again and fell asleep again. So
my plans watching these some stuff. So I'm gona throw
s plums. Mister nxt What do you think of the Bash?
What are your highlights? Sitting low lights stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was a solid show. I mean
all the nxt p l's are like they're always good.
It's like the aw thing where like even if the
TV is like bad, like the matches on like the
the actual like big shows are like always good. Really
and yeah I thought it was a fun show. Uh yeah,
the Honestly, I liked all the matches. Obviously, the big
one everyone's talking about is the the Ricky and Ethan
match because the match people were saying like, yeah, this
is like this is the this is the NXT thone
Cold versus Bratt at Wrestleman.
Speaker 1: And like Hion but yeah.
Speaker 4: They like they took the false count anywhere to like
to like the absolute of like what that means like
they're fighting in the concourse, they like throw each other
into like cong you know, they go backstage, Yeah, they
do the I think does this happen in that one?
They like backstage they like swing on a on a pipe.
Speaker 1: Or like the gym he does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this when they're like backstage and they're just like
I don't know, like water piper siting down the room
and Ricky grabs on it and swings up and then
and then Ethan lands on like I think some sort
of like costuming table. So Ricky just grabs like a
like a chunka and just starts beating him up with it.
And yeah, it's like they go everywhere. There they're walking
back stage, they bump into into Jasper Troy in the
background and he gives gives Ricky a black old slam
just like onto a road case and like slides him.
They just go everywhere with this, and yeah, the finish
was awesome, just grab the Yeah, the the ending was
he just grabs them with the ego's edge off the stage,
like through two tables, and the height he got on
that ego's edge just made it look like just devastating
and it was an awesome match. I really enjoyed it. Really,
all three of their matches they've had have been awesome.
Like the I'd say probably the weakest was like the
stand and Deliver one, just because it was just like
a straight up normal match, because then the second one
was a normal match, but it was like a referees
discretion match, so they still sort of used like they
didn't like hit each other with chairs like straight up,
but they did like some spots on it. And this one, yeah,
they went, they went all the way with this one,
and yeah, Ethan got the win, which I was sort
of surprised by. But uh yeah, I wonder where Ricky
if this is just his his call up already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all I've seen online is like this is the
best Ricky's looking at NXT. And that's good because I
feel like he's like he got there. There's that big
moment and he's not been doing mats but just like
it feel like it's been simmering, but they should caplize
and get him up there. And uh yeah, I've her
just kind of compares something exact same, but it just
reminds me of when him and Brian had that shrap
match and Ricky just really delivered. He's Ricky's really underrated
in the weapons brawls type of match. He just fits out.
He has like a rugged look about him when he
gets that situation. So no, I'm I'm excited to watch
that one.
Speaker 4: Now. You mentioned the edge in Randier the thing, Yeah,
I feel like you don't really like this. Well, I
think that's probably like a faster.
Speaker 1: That was last remember, so there's a lot of one.
It's that type of stuff. But no, good for Ricky.
He needed a good week. He was on Cody's podcast
that and I hope he gets on the main roster
here soon and he can do some stuff and especially
now with maybe seft down. But yeah, you know what.
Speaker 4: Other matches, Yeah, Javan and Jasper Troy. That was another
good match there. Jasper Troy really good so far in
the matches.
Speaker 1: They like him a lot so far up there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the only thing I'll say with Jasper is
like I do feel like he needs to get like
a bit more wins because like he's just kind of
been losing even though he's like a very dominant like
style type of book. Yeah, the thing is like they
can excuse his losses because like technically is still very
much like a rookie. So you can have someone that's
more experienced just like beat him clean and it's like,
well because he's just had like yeah, but uh yeah,
he's really good. And yeah, Javon gets the win in
like a like a roll up. It was a cool
roll up. He like he did like the black Hole slam,
but he like in Midter, he like swung around into
like like knocking his legs out into a roll up
pretty much. And uh yeah. And like I said, I
feel like heat waved, even though now I saw they didn't.
They changed it. It's not gonna be in the in
like North Carolina. I forget where it was supposed to be.
It's gonna be in in Lowell, Massachusetts, which the venue
they picked is a really cool one. They've done n
XT there. It's the it's where Sean lost his smile.
It's that venue. Oh, it's a really cool venue and
they they've done n XT there. But that's where they
did the Javan and Ethan where with Javan losing his smile.
They did in the same place. But I feel like
that's gonna be where the Javan and Oba match play happens.
But then I also don't know because I don't know
if they call Oba up already stuff.
Speaker 1: Like that, but yeah, who knows.
Speaker 4: I wonder that goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know when it is. It's always an
odd time this time of the year, like Summer Slam
to Survivor series when the calps happened. But obviously some
same thing like you can't keep over down there forever, right,
I think he's already ready to go.
Speaker 4: So but yeah, and then the other matches, uh, soul
Ruka and is the game that was a fun match.
I'd say I wouldn't put it on the tier of
like some of the other Soul Ruka matches, just because
on some of the other ones she's gone against people
who like workers same style, like a Kiwanie Jordan where
they're just doing crazy moves and flips all the time,
and there's the busy Dame is really good. I really,
She's definitely improved a lot. She works like the a
very classic i'd say, sort of like like big Man style,
like the big boots and choke slams and stuff like that.
But I thought it worked for this match, And yeah,
you had like Tatum and tzariyat rings so there's some
like distractions and stuff like that, and there were a
few like like is he not really catching her that
well on some spots, but uh, it was still a
good match and soul Ruka is just like always great
and yeah, I'm excited for for tonight what she's gonna
do in in this match, the four way tag match.
It's gonna be cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm I think that's gonna be a really
fun match, that tag match.
Speaker 4: So and then the last match was the the tag
match with Jordan and Blake against the Fatal Influence, which yeah,
it was a fun match. I wouldn't say there was
anything like really crazy in this match. I thought it
was just a solid match. And yeah, interesting where it
goes with the Blake pinning j C, because I do
feel now that it's gonna be Jordan Luke. And also
they had a Nasha Slamovich interfere in this in this
match as well, like jasminix sore just like she was
just like they did like a distraction spot like where
the ref was a looking she would kick her and
she did like two times, and then the third time,
like Masha Slammitch runs out and just like fights her
to the back. So I feel like now with Jason,
it's like you could have her beat Jordan to be like, oh,
that's like, oh she's a She's not just like a
beatable champion who's just gonna like lose right away, and
to like sort of build her up. Because I do
think Masha, like people said, this is the most blatant
poaching of all time since gave Kid, and because I
feel like Masha's gonna beat jac for the for to
have both the TNA and I next see what the
ship you ship?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love the teena prison be like, oh, like
it's an aero on ass. I'm like, oh, is there
you worried about that? Oh it's gooodn't bad to every
relationship the no dude, like it's.
Speaker 3: A Japan a few years ago about to take your
toys and call it a jay Son.
Speaker 1: He's doing the same thing right now, you know, So, yeah,
what you do? Sorry?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was gonna say. So. I do feel
like I do think Blake Monroe shows up at Evolution.
I don't really know, like exactly how.
Speaker 1: Like like certain Knight's main event.
Speaker 4: Or I feel like maybe either she like is like
at ringside for this match, or like or something like
that where she's like maybe she'll like comfort Jordan after
she lost and then like kill her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be cool. But even though it's tough because
I thought there, I thought that's what they were gonna do.
I thought Jordan was gonna win it and then we're
gonna do the long run with Blake and Jordan together
and then the turn. But I really don't know when
they lost last night. I do think Jordan's if Jordan
loses again, she needs to go main roster because the
draft him again no points. She needs to go to
the main roster. She's lost. She lost to was it Stephanie?
She lost that four way, and then she would lose
to Jacy Jane here, that's three like multiple big title
matches that she's just the loser of. So like, I
hope it's just like a psych out moment, like oh
you thought because they go home she lost or won,
but now she's still winning. So I don't know, yeah, yeah,
or if that's the way that they may be the
only thing I thought was is that the way they
could use Blake where she you know, because she pinned
Jane right the champion, so that she could pin her
and then use that against Jordan and be like, hey,
well I pinned the champion kind of before you, so
I should get a shot. So that's my only hope
as they go that route. So yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah that was the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good show. And then, dude, I know
you said you watched except for the main events. What
are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 3: I watched most of it except for I skipped over
Oba Fime's match, which I will go back and watch,
mainly because I'll be honest with you, I'm not invested
in that it. I've heard it's a good big man match,
but I'm just not invested in it.
Speaker 2: I did watch.
Speaker 3: Jordan, Grayson Blake and Roe versus Fatal Influence just because
I liked both of those characters and I wanted to
see more of that dynamic. Like I like the little
promo that they did with each other when they were
having the SPA day and she was selling Jordan to relax,
and I'm like, it's just that fun contrast of their
two characters. I did kind of pop in on that
and that was fun. The whole NXT or the TNA
signing and then having Dark States come out there. I'm like, okay,
so we're doing this now again. TNA, They're about to
take your toys.
Speaker 2: This is all this is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're getting a little bit of shine from it,
but this is really We're We're gonna give you some shine,
but we're gonna take your toys. The Ricky Saints match
was undoubtedly to me, the best match of this night.
They just they work so well together, and I will
agree with the sentiment that it was like the edge
Randy Orton only turned up so much faster, pace, better ending.
It just felt like what that match should have been.
But yeah, they had a great one. The more I
watched Salka, the more I like of her and the
more her style is growing on me, and I could
understand why right now she's currently rocking the North American
Championship and the Speed Championship because that girl can go
like she's she's really good. And Javon Evans puts on
a show every single time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm excited for I'm excited for him. I
would assume to beat open to see what else he
can do. I think the limit limits a sky for
that guy, especially on the main roster. I think and
even the last few times I've seen him. I feel like,
I don't know how his promo skill was at the
beginning of his career, but I feel like he has
a good energy going on right now. So I think
give five more years, you're gonna see him be doing
some really cool stuff, like I mean, main roster, He's
already doing cool stuff. I mean like, I feel like,
you you know, always be like at least a higher
mid card type of guy. You know, so as long
as Triple H likes him, I guess if you know,
I don't know, I don't like my bank and I
don't like Javon flipping. You know, I don't like but
you want me to speed Champion Javon? You want to?
You know, you never know? So well, there we go.
So we're done for this portion. Uh, these guys will
be back in just a second and then just layer
on tonight for Evolution, and yeah, I'm I'm excited to
watch the show. Listen to your guys thoughts after this
was fun breakdown and uh, yeah, no, we'll we'll see
what happens. I think there's gonna be lots of winners
that we don't know, some really good matches I think
EO and Rea potentially could like have a match a
year tonight. I think they're gonna go out there, and
especially because like I don't think it's a big thing,
but with like multiple scoopers, what's saying like some of
the women are a littlennoyed with the build up, Like
I think there's gonna be like a fuck you attitude
going in there, and they're gonna want to just steal,
especially because all it was a very big show. So
I feel like they're gonna want to steal some of
that and get that going. So I think it's I
think they're really gonna deliver.
Speaker 4: So even though this is gonna be stitched together, the
evolution or you can do just like a tiny tiny predictions,
I guess just like straight up the winners. So do
you think it's gonna win?
Speaker 1: Let me get the card quickly. I'll say, I'm still
sick with Ria. I just think it's gonna happen. I
think Ria is gonna take it. I just I just
I agree with David if he says the same thing
of like they're going to the purf, You're right. We
talk about in the discord where it's like they I
suppose they've had May that's and aren't the titles, But
I just feel like they're gonna want to rock that
with three or for a while. But you've made some
good points against that, and last time I thought I
was gonna lose. She want to WrestleMania. But I'm gonna say,
oh boy, I'm gonna say Ria, I'm gonna say, I'm
gonna say Judgment Day is gonna keep it because I
think I think they're gonna keep it till Live gets back,
because that's like a good drama there, Tiffany Shradden. Obviously,
I don't.
Speaker 4: Think they keep it until Live comes back. I don't
think that's too long.
Speaker 1: I think what else they got Raquel doing.
Speaker 3: Have they officially announced how long Live is out though,
that's the thing like that, No, I haven't. So if
she's back within the next month or month and a half,
then I think they keep definitely not.
Speaker 1: It's at least four months. It's like the minimum.
Speaker 4: So they say like four to six months is like
the reports on it.
Speaker 3: Well, she's she's already been out for three. So I
think like, if she just returns, you don't even have
to have her wrestle you can have her return.
Speaker 4: It's been surgery for like a few weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I say she's been out for two or
three weeks since the entries happened, and then another six
weeks on top of that. Have her come back, not
necessarily wrestle, but have her come back and then just
start building those seeds.
Speaker 2: I could see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I kind of forgot you could if
if they have her in a TV role that like
the punk thing and like the seventhing we pitched, Yeah,
that could. I just think that that's I'm going with
the bold prediction when if she gets back in a
talking role, a wrestling role, they're keeping those titles to live,
get back to play at the drama because I think
what's gonna happen is Raquel is gonna pick rocks and
over her and like, no, she shouldn't give the title back.
You know, I'm saying Judgment Day Battle Royal. I think
I'm with it. I think s Bubs has for me.
Speaker 4: It's between Stephanie and Nikki Bella. I think those are
two options.
Speaker 2: Like what you showing?
Speaker 1: Come on, are you fucking kidding me? H? Isn't that right?
Speaker 3: Ho?
Speaker 1: Brother in the last one.
Speaker 2: They are going out of their way to fuck me.
Speaker 1: I swear if I'm getting Nikki Bella versus EO, Sky
Aria or Tiffany, no, that's not time tag title. I'm
completely flying at that world title. I just the only
reason I'm going against is I just with a gear.
I just can't see them doing. I guess it depends
on the winner. Here's the thing. I can see them
doing Stephanie and EO at that what is it again,
Clash of Paris or whatever. I don't see them doing
Ria and Stephanie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a WrestleMania or Summer Slim.
Speaker 1: Yes, So that's the only reason I'm not picking Stephanie.
But if Stephanie wins, then I think EO I would
flip my prediction. I think Naomi wins and Bianca has
to count and it is very mad about it. And
then the triple set, I think Becky wins. I think
Bailey and Lyra cost each other. So those are my predictions.
Speaker 3: What about you, David, I am going to go for
I'm hoping that we get Jordan Grayson battle Roy winning
it all.
Speaker 1: I think that Grace's NXT title tonight.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's versus jac Jane, which I didn't predict. I'm
gonna asked j c J. Now after the tag win, So.
Speaker 3: Let's see, I have Tiffany Stretton retaining, Rhea winning, Becky winning, Raquel,
and Roxanne winning again.
Speaker 2: I think that they are going to.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to bring Live back before the
injury is done and so, and then have those moments
where she's there and she's watching Roxanne compete for her
title and constantly reminding her that it's her title before
the big Then we get to a big stage match,
and then that's when Liv goes, You're not the one competing,
it's my title. I'm competing and that's.
Speaker 1: No, you're not, because you well, lives not cleared yet, right,
you could say I want to compete INEW and on
Cafe they say she's cleared, but they judgment Dalels. You
know what, Roxanne's been great for us.
Speaker 3: We're gonna, yeah, we're gonna continue with that momentum. There's
so many things she can build it with that Jade
versus Naomi's.
Speaker 2: I want Jade to win.
Speaker 3: I want to continue to build Jade as a powerhouse
and I think that taking a win in the no
holds Barred match would just continued to build that powerhouse
for her.
Speaker 1: Really, Naomi's taking two losses to Jade.
Speaker 3: Hey yeah, I if you're going to have Jade be
a champion, which it feels like that's what they're building
up to, ye, you gotta have her win this. Unless
it's a situation where uh Bianca also turns Hill, which
I don't see that happening and costs Jade the match,
then that's that's the only way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the tell me practice and you hear that
pop and like, let's turn her heels. No, no, no,
what what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: You know, outside of mis, she's your biggest public relations person.
Speaker 1: Like Miss when's the Women's Battle.
Speaker 2: Oyal to no.
Speaker 3: But outside of outside of Miss she's your biggest public
relations person. So you're not going to turn her hill
because she's the one out there promoting the boys and
girls things like that, doing all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: She is the face of young.
Speaker 3: Women who are falling in love with wrestling again, So
you're not going to take that away and break the
young girl's hearts and things like that, not for something
like this. Back to the Battle Royal. Anyone but Niki.
Anyone but Nikki. Any anyone but Nicki. I I don't
care at this point, anyone but Nicki.
Speaker 1: Just someone on this poster. I have no idea who
it is. I'm looking at the home who's been between
Nicky and Julia. It's the evolution Battle Royal, like the
the all the participants. Because I was trying to say,
I was like, you know what, Chelsea Green could always
pull it a win too, because Chelsea's always.
Speaker 2: Oh I would love Chelsea Green.
Speaker 1: She has other memories in there, but she has her
other members in there, so maybe they like cost other people.
Like she's three people in there.
Speaker 4: You know, between who I have, like Julia, Nicky.
Speaker 1: Who is that?
Speaker 4: That's Jada Parker from NXT. Is Jada Parker seeing Julia
and Niki?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. Why she looks so white on
that posters, just like.
Speaker 4: The Lightning because all the NXT renders are like in
black and white usually okay.
Speaker 1: Because like, yeah, I love yeah like white. I don't
think it's gonna have purpose. Like it's just like that's
when like who is this one? Like oh my god, yeah,
she that's uh yeah, that's quite the photo there, but yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone but Nikki at this point, I could even
see them doing a situation where they have someone who
is in one of depending on where they put it
in the match. If it opens it up, then who knows.
But if it's later in the show, then they could
bring someone back from one of the previous matches and
have them.
Speaker 2: Appear and end up winning.
Speaker 3: So I mean, we could see that Becky's done it
before where she's come back after a match and done
things like that, so that could also be a good shot.
But yeah, now that you mentioned Chelsea Green, I would
love Chelsea Green just I love her as a character.
I think she does amazing work as a character, and
to have her take that and then have that bragging
moment be all over every show talking about do you
know who I am? I'm the one who won the
Women's Evolution Battle Royal and things like that would just
be great for it.
Speaker 1: That's my low key pick. I could see them doing
it because you just know, Okay, it's a challenger, she'll
lose and then go on to the next person.
Speaker 2: Right, So I just saw a list fourteen participants.
Speaker 3: Nikki Bella go ahead.
Speaker 4: Because then, David Stumer, I don't think like Chelsea or
someone like that wins because I feel like the reason
you do this for like a show up coming up
is if you want to like have a big match
for that kind of show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're probably because so you're probably right. Yeah,
that's fair, all right.
Speaker 3: So fourtune confirmed people so far, Nikki Bella, Stephanie vick Here,
Ivy Nile, Nya Jackson, Natalia, Maxine Dupries, Selina Vega, Julia Kalani, Jordan,
Jada Parker, Lolavice lash Legend is he Dame?
Speaker 2: And Tatum Paxley.
Speaker 4: Well, the poster has all twenty people on.
Speaker 1: It, yeah, because there's other people in there.
Speaker 4: You didn't name it, Like the poster is meeching beef fat.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let's keep it bro though, meeching in befab.
Speaker 3: There is a very good chance to think they could
be on the poster and not be in the thing.
Speaker 4: They're on the show poster. They're like on specifically the
match poster with all.
Speaker 3: Twin Again, they could be on the coaster and then
be bumped for a surprise entrance.
Speaker 2: Both of those things.
Speaker 1: Shots. He wasn't the Royal rumble until twelve hours later,
and then they gave her the sorry brother, here, you're
gonna I get you mean, they are on the.
Speaker 4: Poster, but they ever advertised for it.
Speaker 1: No, but they could easily. Do you think anybody in
that arena's gonna care if, like lol of Ice got
bumped for fucking lead or something. No, they're gonna be like,
oh my god, they do the you know, so I
agree Dave that it could happen. They could bump someone
and stuff, you know, because but even then, you know,
didn't even bump up for Kelly Kelly. So anyways, continue
the predictions.
Speaker 4: I forget what I was gonna say now.
Speaker 1: Is uh David, Yeah, you did rematch there, okay? And
then yeah this was what are yours?
Speaker 4: Uh? Oh man, I had the full match fright now
and I lost it. Oh here you go, okay? Uh
yeah for the Battle Royal, I guess I'll stick with Stephanie,
just like as my pick, uh before my prediction was
Jade with the Bianca of it, like how they've shown
uh Naomi just like being like on the attack now
more than usual. I feel like she could win, especially
with the stipulation. You can just like you can excuse that.
It's like, well she won because she hit jalyb chairs
and put her through a table and stuff like that,
like yeah, yeah, uh for the tack titles, Yeah, I
think they retain the Justent Day, the Triple Threat. I
could I think Becky likely wins, although I could see
them like I don't know. Yeah, I feel like you
could see Bailey winning by like pinning Lyra and then
Becky's like, well you never pinned me and that's a
SummerSlam match. Then yeah, I guess I'll go with J C.
Jane Now also Tippany retaining, and yeah, I'll stick with
with my pick of Veo just to stick with it.
Speaker 1: There we go. Well we'll see you're right. You're no
flinching for you. You've been that way for the whole time,
so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: So hello and welcome to part two of today's Gimmick episode.
Earlier it is me s bub Chefs. Now we did
Saturday Night's main event and we did aw all in
and now we are back back back for part two
with ww Evolution twenty twenty five. I am Naomi's Revenge
the Phantom, joined here by the ten Star Classic s
Buffs Again, it's late at night, it's nine thirty four
my time, ten thirty four year time, and we just
finished the show.
Speaker 2: S Bubs, give me your overall thoughts.
Speaker 4: I thought this was like an amazing show. I'd say
probably my favorite, like pl E or just wrestling show
in general of this year that's counting, like aw, like
Wrestle Dynasty everything. This is probably my favorite show. Just
every match not only delivered, but like over delivered. And
I thought the painting was great like correct Winners and angles. Honestly,
the main event was just amazing and a really cool
ending and surprising ending, and yeah, I just love the show.
I hope, like I hope they do it every year,
and if not, it shows why the women need to
get the main event time like this, Like this is
what they can do. If you give every single one
of them time, they can all do amazing stuff like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely agree this to me. Heads and shoulders
above last night Saturday Night main event. This was just
an amazing pay per view. You start to finish, and
at no time did I sit here during this pl
and think to myself, oh, yeah, this is a women's
only pl it just felt like a good wrestling event.
And I mean, these matches just knocked it out, So
let's get straight into it. We kick off with Becky
Lynch defeating Bailey and Lyra Valkyria for the Icy title.
Speaker 2: I kind of felt Becky was gonna win.
Speaker 3: They put on a great match, Becky vultured out that
that victory at the end just came in sooped in
picked up the cartses of everybody.
Speaker 2: But no, it was a.
Speaker 3: Great match with some incredible heated moments between Bailey and Lyra.
Speaker 4: No. Yeah, I really enjoyed the swetch. Like you said,
the ending with Becky was like an awesome like what's
the name of that type of pen I always forget it, like, oh, crucifix, Yeah,
where she like sort of like rolled like a roll
through crucifix over. I think it was Bailey pinning Lyra
and she like flipped her over into it, which was awesome.
And yeah, this was like what we've seen of Bailey
and Lyra and Bailey and Becky and Becky and Lyra
just all of it came together for like a super
physical match with lots of counters and everything, and yeah,
that was awesome and it definitely shows that this is
the end of the story for now, which I'm excited
for it because, like I said, all the matches they've
had against each other and now all three of them
together have been great and this is another great match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely a great match. I'm excited to see where
they go here, Becky again rolling with the title. So
if for what they did with Bailey and taking her
out of WrestleMania again, that sucked. But if you're going
to do it, and if you're going to lead to
this and going to lead to this specul lynch, he'll
run and go from there, then you know what, at
least let her have a super good run with this.
So I'm excited for more of what they do with
the Icy title. I'm also excited for it being the
workhorse title for the women kicking off the match.
Speaker 4: And I feel like it's definitely oh yeah, I feel
like it leads to some sipulation match for this title
at SummerSlam. If it were up to me, it'd be
like a ladder match. I just feel like ladder match
and the Intercontinental title just like go hand in hand,
So to do one for the women's Icy title I
feel like would be perfect.
Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely agree.
Speaker 3: You've got the Sean Michaels Razor Ramone, You've got Rock
Triple Ah even going to Daniel Bryan picking it up
in a ladder match before his having to retire the
iconic image even though he only kept it for a
day of Matt Cardona Zach Ryder in the middle of
at and T Stadium winning it. Like, you're absolutely right,
icy title plus ladder match, I'm all for it. So
then we go to the w W NXT Women's title
j C Jane defeating Jordan Grace And this was not
an ending I first saw, not after the last twenty
four forty eight hours of what's been going on in
n XT. So h Jacy Jayne wins. She keeps the title,
but she did not do it without help, and that
help came from a Jordan's own corner person. So that
that was a shocker right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh, Like we were predicting sort of like how
it had happened. And obviously before the show started we
got the announcement that Blake was gonna be at ring
sites or were like, how's this gonna play out? And yeah,
I didn't expect that she would like so directly cause
the finish, But I enjoyed that, and obviously I assume
that's gonna be a big program. And it also gives
JC even though it wasn't clean, but she's a heel,
so it doesn't really matter that much. But she did
get a win over Jordan here on a big stage,
and for being on a big stage, I thought they
both really showed out here. I thought they were really working. Honestly,
Jordan is just great against anyone pretty much, and JC,
I feel is super underrated, so I was happy to
see her have this opportunity on this big show, even
though I don't think she's gonna be holding that NXT
title for much longer, considering one week from now she's
facing Masha Slamovich at Slammiversary for both titles, so I
feel like that might be the end of jc's run
as an NXC champion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I didn't expect so quickly them to do
Blake Monroe's He'll Turn. It does make sense, Okay, you
keep Jacy Jane with the title, she goes face Masa
Slamovich for that whole unification or that title versus title match.
I don't really know if they're going to unify or if
it's just going to be someone holds both belts, and
then that gives a chance for hel Blake Monroe to
come and take that NXT title back. So that's a
good way to jump it from hell n XT person
to heal at an XT person. But I'm just I
do feel bad for Jordan Grace another loss on another
big match.
Speaker 2: I mean, poor girl.
Speaker 3: I want her to get some some major, high profile
wins sometime soon. Yeah, but not on the main roster
because that means that Snell.
Speaker 2: Will get points.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3: So but she definitely needs some wins now. With her character,
with her look, with everything about her, she can take
those losses and steal look credible in any title picture.
But man, I just need some wins in that column
for her. She's kind of reminding me of Main Event
jay Uso when he kept losing in the main event,
Like everyone loves you, you're there, but you keep losing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's I agree, It's like or like what
I was talking about with the Jasper Troy. I'll see
you can build someone like as a monster being dominant
as much as they want, and they're dominating in matches,
but if all they do is lose every match, like
they have to win at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then next up we get the uh the
Women's Fatal Forward tag team match, which was great with
Judgment Day defeating the Kabuki Warriors sal Ruka and Zaria
and Charlotte Flair and Alexa Bliss. I'll say this, salt
Ruka and Zaria got a great ovation by the crowd.
Speaker 2: Charlotte Flair got.
Speaker 3: Booed when she came out, but the immediate urn to
the massive cheers when Alexa Bliss's music hit was just
it was a crazy flip of the switch for them.
But throughout the match, the fans really seemed to come
around to Charlotte, and at one point there was a
we want Charlotte chant going on, so that that felt good.
It was like, all right, we're booing you because we
know we're supposed to hear the heel this is who
you are. But then they gave that we want Charlotte,
And I think some of that does have to do
with the Player's Tribune article that she wrote, or she
was just so vulnerable opened.
Speaker 2: Up that part of her and this was a really
good match.
Speaker 3: Sl Ruke I had some good spots, and then I
did like that ending sequence with Czaria hitting that kind
of backstabber with the legs moves onto her and then
kicking her out the way they go for the spear
and Charlotte pulls Alexa Bliss out and everything else. I'm like, Okay, this,
that whole ending moment of them happening was pretty cool.
And then Raquel comes in with the Tahana bomb on
so Ruka for the win, and I was just like, yeah,
this this is something.
Speaker 4: No. Yeah, like I said, all the matches over delivered
here and I was expecting this one to be really
good obviously, just with the level of talent involved, just
like on all teams, and yeah, this is a super
fun time and everyone got to do their spots and moves,
and like you said, like I think even before the
players tributne article obviously, I think that's definitely a part
of it. But I just think this act with Charlotte
and Alexa has been really working so far just to
get Charlotte over like as a face, and I do
think it's genuinely working for I mean, you see the
huge reaction she got so when she did the hot
tag and saving Alexa and stuff like that, and yeah,
I'm happy that it's working out for is clear that
that's what she was talking about. She does want to
be a face, and I think getting her away from
main title story lines and doing something fun where she
can show that sort of personality is obviously working. And
obviously she's still an amazing wrestler when it comes to
the wrestling, So it all comes together there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, this is an amazing match.
Speaker 3: Everyone got a chance to have their shine with this.
The Kabuki Warriors had some great spots in this, but yeah,
saarrukins are they look great and they look like they
belonged on this main stage. I will say everyone from
NXT who got a moment to shine at Evolution look
like they belong there, and so I'm happy for them.
Like I said earlier in the first half of the
Gimmick this morning, I feel like Judgment Day is going
to hold this for a.
Speaker 2: Little bit longer until liv is able to come back.
Speaker 3: They even said at one point like how does Live
feel about this? And when they were having the arm
raised at the end, it was what's Lived going to think?
So let them hold the belts a little bit longer
get that moment when Live returns to have that dissension
between the group.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my like, even though I agree with the lifting,
I just I don't know, and she's kind of like
I Drew generally think it might be like a long time,
Like my prediction right now is I think, But also
it's like SummerSlam is so close that I don't know.
Like my prediction would be that I think Charlotte and
Alexa win the titles at Summerslim and just like a
straight up two onto tag match. But then I also
agree with your story. I do think that's very possible
with the whole lip thing. Even though I don't think
you necessarily need the titles. You could make it more
just about like being in judgment they are just like
a tag partner. But I see both sides of it.
But I kind of do want Charlie and Alexa to
win these tag titles at some point, and honestly, with
how they're doing right now, I think it's just one
of us to strike when the iron is hot. But yeah,
I think there's a lot to do. Honestly, the women's
tag team division in WWE is always sort of an
issue just with how it's bookman stuff. But I think
if you do have teams like the Kabuki Wars, and
you're making teams like Charlotte and Alexa, I think you
can rebuild like just showing these teams like if you're
not just gonna defend, Like the point that unified them
is to have them defend across the brand. So I
wouldn't be a set, especially with Raquel pinning soul Ruka,
like maybe Raquel gets a North American title shot or
they go down to NXED or defend the tag titles.
I think making the tag type was more important is
an important thing, and the quality is match showed that
the women's taging division can be a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would definitely be here for more of the
tag titles just being spread across all brands, and this
is this was a perfect.
Speaker 2: Kickoff for that.
Speaker 3: And now you have built everyone's possibility of saying that
they should be next and have that championship travel across
all brands. So it was a good show for that
fatal four tag team match and said I'm excited to
see where Judgment Day continues to go from here. Next
we have a Tiffany Stratton defeating Trish Stratus. This was
pretty good match and also, uh, I don't know if
you noticed Trish Stratus's gear. Her belt buckle was in
the design of the Old School Women's Championship, so that
that was pretty good. But fans were really hot for
Tiffany Stratton. They had a couple of moves that just
didn't connect very well or just a little bit off
in the timing. I couldn't tell if it was Tiffany
or Trish or a little bit of both. But overall
it was still a good match. It was still a
fun match. The reversals of the moon salts and things
like that, those were super cool, and that final prettiest
moon salt ever to win the match was a nice touch.
It felt like a real cementing Again, Tiffany Stratton is
truly a champion. She's no longer the daddy's girl image
that we were introduced to her ash She's not the
snuffling sidekick. She got her chance to shine against a
Hall of famer. Is super good for her.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I really enjoyed this match and another one
that over delivered for me. I mean Trish for wrestling
leg how many times did she wrestle a year, like
once a year, and then after and then that's every
like two or three years. Like she she still got it,
like she can have some awesome matches. And the move
she was taken, we're just like everyone in the arena
was was wincing, but it was I thought there was
some really cool stuff they did here, and yeah, this
is a really enjoyable match for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said they they went in on it.
Speaker 3: That move that Shrek did to her, that when she
takes her up into the superlex position and then the
flip over to the back. I was like, oh that's
and the way Trish took that. H'm like, okay, they
they are really going for it. They're going for those moments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the uh the Rogers strong move, the
end of heartache. Yeah, so someone's showing tim she's doing
for Daniels finisher and now Rogers something. You know, she's
watching some like r oh take, someone showing her those
in the in the PC again.
Speaker 3: It worked out, It looked good and it gave them
a good shine again predictable ending.
Speaker 2: I didn't think.
Speaker 3: That Trish Stratus was gonna beat one of the champions.
If anything, I thought that something that happened later in
this pla was gonna happen at this moment and it didn't.
But I didn't think that this is gonna be a
situation for Trish one. So even with the predictable ending,
it was still a great match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even with that, like I think everyone sort
of knew Diffany was definitely gonna win. But even with that,
they still got the crowd invested into the near falls
for Tricia's finishers and special movement and stuff like that.
And also I just have to mention, like the crowd
for this whole show was just fantastic, Like they were
up for all the matches and allowed for all the matches,
and like the crowd really does improve just like the
viewing of a show, Like if you have a great crowd,
it just makes all the matches just that much more exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. So, the crowd was hot all night.
Next step was what.
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to revisit it because up until
the ending, this was my match of the night and
that was a Jade Car Gill defeating Naomi just a
peer brawl. I mean, they were going at it and
Bianca Billa are a special guest referee.
Speaker 2: She was checking on the competitors, like girl, are you okay?
Like how you doing? Like you can tell she felt
for it.
Speaker 3: The move with the dropkick that went through the TV
at the ring side, everything else, like.
Speaker 2: They were going at it.
Speaker 3: Those table spots, multiple table spots, and it was just.
Speaker 2: Hands down, like they.
Speaker 3: Did what they were supposed to for the way that
this has been built. They had an absolute banger of
a brawl.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I already liked their their Mania match, which is
just a non tight or non title, non stipulation match,
and I really liked what they did here, like you said,
like they went all out with what the story was
telling and what the brawls they've been having, like this
was the match they needed to have, and I think
I liked even though Jade won in the end, which
we sort of changed our predictions, Like my original prediction
before the Bianca referee was Jade, then I switched to
Naomi because of you guys, and then Jade ended up
winning anyway. But I do think even with her winning,
I think it showed like Naomi this character ously, her
having the aggression and dominating for most of the match
and just sort of losing just to a power difference,
even though she did all she could. And yeah, I
liked yeah the TV spot. I always loved stuff with
sparks and stuff like that. I always find it funny
and just any.
Speaker 3: Match really Yeah, the announcers yelling, oh my god, she
could have been a electrocute it and then that finale
with Cargio hitting the uh jaded from the top rope
through the table. I was just like, man, I stopped
for a minute when that happened. I just said, that
was like, oh my, like they are going for it.
It was just it was a great match. And then
when Bianca goes to raise the hand, you could tell,
you know, she's still conflicted, like both of these are
still her girl, Like it's just a moment.
Speaker 2: Of here we are, we're doing this.
Speaker 3: It was incredible women doing an amazing feat. So it
up until the ending, I would have said that this
was just my pure match of the night.
Speaker 4: Yeah we'll see. Oh yeah, just another little spot. I
like those shade like dropping the toolbox off the the ring,
like obnestly it was not gonna hit her, but it
was still like a scary spot, like I think that's
that's what I hadn't seen that before. I've seen the
Toolbox and a lot of matches, but just like just
starting to just like draw on someone off the ring
I thought was just and it fit with just like
they're just trying to kill each other in this match
pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, next up we have the Women's Battle Royal.
Speaker 2: Uh so we had everyone.
Speaker 3: All the twenty people who were advertised ended up being
the ones who were in there. We did have some
good spats between some people. I felt like Jada Parker
got some good showing in there, Piper Nivin got some
good showing in there. Lash Legend just looked strong throughout.
Zelena eliminating Julia was a moment for it because they
had to stare down wind because Julie was the last
one to do her entrance and she turns around after
posing on the ring apron to get in the ring
and you can just see Zelena staring daggers at her.
So for Selena to didn't eliminate her later, I was like, Okay,
we still have some storytelling here. I'd still I'm not
sure as much as I love Selena Vega, I'm not
sure if she.
Speaker 2: Belongs in that spot.
Speaker 3: But there was a lot of good moments with her,
and then, like I said, last legend was looking strong
and then she had that moment where she pressed Selena
to throw her out the ring. Nya and everyone else,
anybody who had an attack on Nicki Bella doing the
Nicky Bella dance, but Nya's was the funniest.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, did I did I scare you
with my prediction when when Nicki was getting pretty far
into the into the Battle Royal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, anyone but her, please, anyone but her.
So I'm glad that she got thrown out. And then
said Stephanie McKerr had some great moments. Two Devil's kisses
got thrown in into the match and including the one
on the apron that lead it to the final elimination.
Speaker 2: So it was it was a good fun match, no Yeah.
And also a.
Speaker 3: Klanie Jordan's move where she did the handstand and then
hooked her feet and did the pull up.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that that's.
Speaker 3: Just pure athleticism right there. Once again the NXT ladies
got their chance to shine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a future rumble say right there, it's like
the new Kobe spot to do. But with Klanie Jordan. Uh, yeah,
this is a really enjoyable match. I liked that the
final three were one from each brand, which I thought
was cool as like sort of anyone could win here.
And yeah, I liked I really enjoyed how lash Legend
got such a big spot to shine here getting all
the way to the final two and had a great
sequence there with Stephanie, which I thought was cool because
I think they only ever faced each other in n
Next I think once in like a match, so it's
cool to see them one on one here. And yeah,
obviously the winner we were all sort of predicting, but
obviously the right winner here.
Speaker 2: And anyone but Nikki.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I'm excited now, especially with the main event.
I wonder how exactly that'll go. I feel like because
my prediction, I'll just well, without going into the main
event as much, I was thinking if, like I said,
if Stephanie wins, I don't think Ria is winning because
they wouldn't do Stephanie and Ria on like like a
B show was my prediction, and I was right. I
was technically right. Ria didn't win, so but we'll get
into that later. And yeah, I like the Stephanie's postmatch
speech there she she has used that line before, which
obviously is great that the English is in her first language,
but wrestling's her first language.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was a good showing by everyone.
Speaker 3: Like I said, across the board, they whoever was in
charge of booking all of these matches tonight, I mean
everything was.
Speaker 4: Shawn Michaels was backstage, you know. I think Triple H
probably gave him the pen for tonight, And I'm considering
how these matches went.
Speaker 3: Between Shawn Michaels as the booker and whoever whatever agents
produced this. I mean, you guys were doing spot on.
And then that leads to the final match, the championship
match between Rhea Ripley and Eo Sky, which everyone kept saying,
this is a must win for Rea. They kept putting
about how she couldn't beat Eo. This ended up being
just like they had some good wrestling. There was some
good moves, there were a lot of good kickouts. Then
you had the ref bump, And when the ref bump happened,
I was like, oh, no, where are we going from here?
Speaker 2: I didn't know if maybe they.
Speaker 3: Were going to do a turn for Ria and just
have her go full on he mode and just go
after EO because the ref was down. But no, we
got a brawl out to the crowd, and I mean
they spent a lot of time. I don't know how
long the ref was down, but they spent a lot
of time out there in the crowd, including time for
EO to hit across body from twenty feet in the air.
And yeah, they had a bunch of moments, so they
after all that, they get back in. Jessica Carr finally
recovers after being out for like the last ten minutes,
just laying on the ground, and it's steal again. Some
back and forth, a riptide that EO was able to
counter into the Spanish fly, which looked amazing, and then
out of Noah unexpected, Naomi comes out to cash in
her money in the bank and makes this a triple
threat match. And I am a fan of the triple
threat with the money bank, because yeah, while you can
wait till the match is over and then have another
match to restart it running out there while the match
is already in progress, I think the person's more tired
then they just had time to catch their breath or
they're running adrenaline of just winning a title or retaining
their title. You got them in the middle of They're tired,
they're confused, You run out there cause a triple threat
knocks out EO, throws Rhea into the ring posts, then
goes after EO again.
Speaker 2: One two three, Naomi.
Speaker 3: Is the champion and the image of her steal with
the busted face from her match with Jade Steel blood
running down from earlier, and she's holding the championship. I
was like, cinema peer cinema, No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved her. For as much as I love
Rhea and EO, I also love Naomi. So, like I said,
this is like a ten star classic made of here.
I'll say all this stuff with Ria and EO just
in the ring before any of the shenanigans, I was
just absolutely loving. They just have all the counters to
each other's moves and it was just a great match.
Then the rep bump and going into the crowd was
just awesome. And yeah, I was I was fully, I
was fully. I was not flinching on EO's winning, but
I was surprised by the cash and yeah, like we all,
we were all. I don't think any of us pretty
good at all. That Naomi was cashing in here, so
that was awesome, and I do think it works out
because Innitiev's seen. It's like, well, I'll see Eo is
a huge baby face and Riea is a huge babyface
and they're both the top stars on Raw, so if
they just keep fighting each other, they're just both getting
cheered all the time. And well, and I have a
new top heel on Raw with the Women's Championship.
Speaker 3: Yes, which leadst me to where do you think we're
going with Naomi from here?
Speaker 4: I feel like what you have to do is do
a triple threat like at SummerSlam with these three, just
based on how the match ended, and obviously turn it
into a triple threat. I feel like you do that
match at Summer Slam. I feel like you have Naomi
Routaine there and then from that from then from that,
obviously there's so much that can change. I'll just go
with my short term prediction is that Summer Slam it's
a triple threat with Ria, EO, and Naomi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see them running this back with Naomi
Naomi finding a way to keep it because I feel
like they may do some long term storytelling and find
a way to get Jade over there, so that this
is who Jade knocks off to become.
Speaker 2: To have her first championship.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Especially I think the rumored like draft date is
sometime after SummerSlam, so and I think the the champions
are like protected from the draft soususally it says one
way to already sort of move Naomi over to Raw
since she's now they're champion. And yeah, lostly just going
more into the smatch, I'm definitely gonna rewatch it just
because I mean, I love this match. It was everything
I wanted it to be. In more, I saw that
it's the longest ww women's match without a stipulation, so
no rumble or anything like that. I think it was
twenty six minutes long, and yeah.
Speaker 2: They maximize every minute, so good on them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't feel like it felt long, but in
a good way, in a way where it's like I
just want to see this match keep going and going,
and yeah, it was just honestly, this was the main
event you had to do and they just totally showed
out here and I loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm very happy with it in great workout
all of them, and look forward to seeing where we
go from here, because that this definitely was what we
needed for.
Speaker 2: This paper, for this pl.
Speaker 3: It was definitely something that all right, we're good with it,
and we gave every woman on here had a chance
to shine, every brand here had a chance to shine.
It wasn't oh, those are the NXT people, so they're
going to get less than No.
Speaker 2: Everyone had their moment.
Speaker 3: So I'm really happy with it, and I hope that
they do this again next year. This this should prove
that this should be an annual thing. I mean, if
you're gonna tell me, I can either have given weekends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like now you've shown like you can sell like
if you do take out Siren, take out an XT,
you can sell twenty thousand tickets for an evolution next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I if you made me choose between this and
any Saturday night's main event.
Speaker 2: I will choose this every day of the week.
Speaker 3: Because, again, start to finish, it was great and at
no point did I ever feel like this was a
quote unquote women's pay per view or women's pl It
just felt like some good wrestling, good storytelling, good back
and forth matches, and I'm here for it and we
need more.
Speaker 2: Of this so give them their own yearly show. Slott
it into the schedule.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think especially with next year. I think Money
in the Bank is moved like way later in the year,
it's after summer slim. I believe like you can make
this like the big Like let's see, let's just let
me just imagine.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's in August sometime next year is when
Money in the Bank is.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to create a schedule for next year. So
let's say, honestly, they do backlash, there'll probably be a
sort of like King and Queen of the Ring type show.
And then yeah, I guess just I would, I'd say
you could probably keep it in the same spot of
before SummerSlam hoarsly this would take the place of I
just connected where Money in the Bank will is put
this show and maybe like move it a few weeks
it have its own build, better build next year and
give it its own weekend. Then this can be a
major show you can do every year. And they just
showed why it's something they can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, it is amazing.
Speaker 3: So in solid pl I encourage everyone to take a chance.
If you haven't watched it, go ahead and watch it.
It's worth every.
Speaker 2: Minute that you have.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 2: Any more thoughts about uh.
Speaker 4: This PL evolution, I think I've said pretty much earthing
I want to say, just completely over delivered, awesome show.
All the matches got the correct amount of time and
we're all great. I mean, it's gonna be hard rating
these matches on like a dropkick. They're all like between
like four and five stars for me, pretty much, I'm
gonna I'm not gonna be using the point two five
star new new update that they added for to rate
these matches because they're all super close in quality, Like
you could show me any like any of these matches
on any other show could have been the match the
night pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so again great PLI so look forward to seeing it.
Speaker 2: And with that we.
Speaker 3: Will wrap up part two of Today's Gimmicks Again. I've
been the phantom s bubbs, tell the folks where they
can see you, follow you and everything else.
Speaker 4: I'm just the s bubs or s pubs on pretty
much anything. And I believe it'll be next week that
we're back with some more.
Speaker 3: We're back then on the nineteenth on for more MI,
where we will continue our quest to take you down sir.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and hopefully we get to WrestleMania and I'm hoping
to continue. I can maybe pull off an Eric Binschoff,
do a whole year here at number one.
Speaker 2: Eighty three weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and hopefully that works out for me. But yeah,
it's always a fun time and this show was a.
Speaker 3: Fun time definitely. So all right, everyone, enjoy your upcoming week.
We will see you all on Saturday where missus Travis
Snow will be back and joining us, and we will
talk to you guys soon.
Speaker 2: See you bye.