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Speaker 1: This is one of the most exciting girl programs I've

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been part of. Not because it's unique that we're drilling

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virgin discovery attention discovery holes, which will be the most rewarding,

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but the scale of the system is bigger than anything

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I have pursued in my career, and that's really been

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the appeal and the perseverance that we took on to

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get to this point.

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Speaker 2: The Financial Survival Network now more than never the Financial

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Survival Network.

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Speaker 3: And welcome. This is Financial Survival Network. I'm your host,

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Carrie Lutz. We are sitting down for a major sponsor

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update from Ivan DeBeck, CEO of Copernico Medals. I've in

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Hey the picture behind you. The drills are turning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Carrie, it's an incredible achievement, especially being FRU. We

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had first set foot on this trojict nine years ago

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and started to identify the opportunity and we're ready to

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drill it in twenty twenty, unfortunately as soon as COVID hit.

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But the best news is that the drill is actually turning.

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This video behind me is almost real time and we're

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starting to see the first few meters of what we're drilling,

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and so a very very poor little point for the company,

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and I look forward to our interview here today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the listing is on its way. You actually

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have a stock symbol on the TSX now c PR.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So a couple of things that happened. I mean,

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if you followed our news releases even though we weren't

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trading publicly, we've had a series of major milestones met

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since November. We had two senior executives from BHP, one

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of the largest mining companies in the world, to join

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our team at the board level. This certainly expands our

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capacity to explore and look for things that could matter

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the companies, like that caliber of a BHP R or

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some of the other majors. Secondly, from that, you know,

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the two people joining, you know, we've finally got boots

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on the ground in early February. And as much as

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it's exciting to turn the drill bit for the first time,

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and that's really a centational moment as an entrepreneur and

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as ex floor and as a shareholds see behind me.

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Now we've got our first few meters of course starting

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to come in the event and the team and the

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way it team together and what we're seeing on the project,

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in addition to what we're drilling, is really complementing the

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scale of this massive system and so much robust expiration

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opportunities that we haven't even touched on yet. So not

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only are we going to get to drill a very

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very big system continuously for the next twelve months, we're

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also going to be able to expose some other considerable

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targets that we're finding in and beyond the system so far,

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so things really really have scaled upon us in terms

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of size. The grade has been visually very appealing in

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various parts of the property, and being back there to

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work with both the drilling and the exploring, it's kind

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of a dream from our perspective, and as a shareholder,

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you know, the only way you can really make that

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overrun potential, the best way to do it actually is

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while drilling. Every month, we will have a drill turning

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here in the next twelve months. We're funded to drill

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at least thirty holes, possibly more. The program is going

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to be very dynamic. You know, we're drilling in areas

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that have a thin layer of cover, so it's kind

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of like if anybody has reading glasses, if you look

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at something without the reading glasses, you see it blurry,

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but once you drill through it, we're starting to see

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really good resolution on the rock and seeing where we

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are in the system and where to go, you know,

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pursue the copper and gold mentalization that we've seen so

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abundant on surface. So this is one of the most

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exciting drill programs I've been part of. Not because it's

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unique that we're drilling virgin discovery potensial discovery holes, which

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will be the most rewarding, but the scale of the

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system is bigger than anything I have pursued in my career,

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and that's really been the appeal and the perseverance that

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we took on to get to this point. You know,

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having set foot on the project nine years ago, we've

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been through quite a bit of capital, almost forty million

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dollars to get here, and we've been through various personnel.

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project this long and to finances. So we're in really,

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really good shape. The drills turning the course started to

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come in and we're super excited. We're just in the

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first few meters and that part is great. We don't

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know enough to comment on it obviously, Yet except for

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the technical side of it, they would like to see

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more drills added in a timely process because there's so

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much excitement around the targets we're going to go after,

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so very exciting time, very strong team from the board

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level down. We've refreshed a lot of people on our

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team as well at the management levels, so that we

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have fresh eyes and press perspectives on very very good

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work that was done previously. But surely this is falling

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on perfect market time for a world class copper discovery.

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Speaker 3: I would assume it would have to be something very

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special for you to spend nine years. And it's a

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roller coaster, right, There's a lot of ups and downs

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and a lot of frustrations, and yet, like you said,

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you persevered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point to make. And I've had

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the luxury of being around some very smart people in industry,

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the likes of Ross Beedy and Lucas, the late Lucas

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lending something that really set out for me in the

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final year, which was the toughest year, to hang on

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to this project and get it through the permitting when

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everybody was sure we wouldn't get here.

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Speaker 3: It was the.

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Speaker 1: Comments around the history of Philo Mining and the twenty

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two years before they hit the big hole and their

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share price went from three to twenty five dollars a share.

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That's a long time. That the longer time than the

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nine years we took. And you know, if I look

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back and the twenty five years I've been in the business,

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the big ones take time. There was always a challenge

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to whether it's social permitting or you know, logistical challenges

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to physically get there. It takes a lot of visionary

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perseverance to get through. And the best part about it, Carrie,

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is we're here now. And although nine years is a

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long time, it's almost half of my career. It's the

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next nine years that are going to be really history

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making if we get it right. And that gives us,

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you know, a lot to think about. You know, there's

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street factors that are in front of us. You know,

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how fast do we drill? And you know, how do

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we strategically identify the scale of the system early and

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monetize that in our share place. That's that's number one

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on the top of what we're going to do here.

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What happens if you find something and it's big and

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you have great currency, but the trip takeover transaction is

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not there. We're looking at other assets. You know, we

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would like to consolidate some really good assets in industry

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free if we got currency and were taken out by

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a major mining company, you know. And the last part

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is finding these things are extremely rare. You know, nine

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years to get to this point. If you're a new investor,

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you have to look at this and say, well, you know,

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the drills are turning. I get to capitalize on nine

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years and about thirty five to forty million spent before

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this first drill program. I get to save all the

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time it took to identify and get to the drill

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bit and every month for the next twelve months or

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possibly much longer, I get to experience the potential superlaudo

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ticket and the way the results are going to come.

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They're going to come informative, and we're going to get

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indications that we're there, we're not there. We're going to

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get opportunities to drill something that's really really obvious for

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us as the big discovery, and we're going to hope

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to see that very early. But the SCARN system and

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likely or potentially a big porphry system as well. But

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scarns are variable, and that's something that is you know,

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turned off a lot of people to chase them. And

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what that variability means is that can take five or

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six holes or twenty or thirty holes before you get

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that first discovery. And the only way to mitigate that

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risk in that time frame is to have enough capital

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to go out and take that on in good market timing,

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and we certainly have both of those. The one part

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is they have great more often than not. And in

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the case of Somarro, we have great a surface and

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this is a scarn system that's you know, daylighting on

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surface in various areas or osional windows. That's really compelling

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to us because it increases the probability of potential success.

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It gives us a lot better shot at finding something

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that could be very rich surface. And then the infrastructure

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in the region is outstanding, with power lines going right

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through the property, three multiple water sources nearby, through towns

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nearby for a workforce. And you know, it's been an

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honor to be here as an explorer in somebody else's backyard.

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And the way we got through is not not a

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mystery anymore. But we brought agricultural programs grants from the

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government into the ANDES and these programs have been very

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beneficial and they'll be sustainable long after we're gone in

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the event that this wasn't a major discovery. But right

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now we have a large treasury, we're funded for at

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least twelve months of drilling continuously, and we have capital

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to October the next year. So we are in a

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very very strong position, which is very unique to the sector.

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The fact that we are drilling, we're funded, and we

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have working capital to almost the end the next year.

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know my view, we're at the pivotal purning point of

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the visore sector. We're coming out of about a twelve

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year bear market going to the next leg up, and

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precious and base metals, as you're seeing in recent moves

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and both copper, gold and silver, you know, you're seeing

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demand come from the electronic electrification initiatives, You're seeing the

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precious metal counter US dollar and plationary presence that it has,

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and you're starting to see all the right things that

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are happening. But at the same time, as I say that,

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there are junior resource companies that are closing the doors.

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very unique environment, but very opportunistic one. And I guess

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why I just made that last statement is things are

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a lot cheaper now than they're going to be and

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a lot of people like to buy things that perfect time,

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and I certainly do. But to get a hold of

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a good share position and a big opportunity, you have

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to buy early, and sometimes you have to ride the

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market down before it goes up. And the most important

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thing for me on this project was the development of fundamentals.

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Each layer that we applied to technical work got more

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and more supportive or a thesis that this could be

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the next Lost Mambus, which is the elevel largest proper

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mind in the world. I mean to even make that statement,

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you know, in any way, shape or form, and to

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have people joining us at the board level, senior executives

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from BEHP, you know, that kind of complement to the team,

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that's that's really outstanding for us, and it gets exciting.

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And so now we're throwning to drill and you know,

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unfortunately it's lack of sleep when the markets are bad

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and you don't have permits, and it's lack of sleep

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when you get so excited that things could really work.

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Speaker 3: Out and you've got quite an impressive land package here.

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Speaker 1: Huh, Yes, absolutely, this could be. This could be just

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the beginning. And that's the other thing that we don't

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talk too much about. Because we get to drill seven

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kilometers continuous targeting from what we've identified at surface to start,

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which is was just substantial in size, but we have

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another four kilometers that will add to that once we

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get additional permits. So you're going to see an evolution

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of permits and additional targets through that land package. You know,

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we've had a chance to start looking at the rest

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of the land package and evaluating what we keep and

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what we do don't keep. It's an expensive land holding

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to hold onto. It coross the solust six hundred thousand

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dollars a year just to pay for the claims, and

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so we want to be very efficient and rationalize all

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of our land that we have and stick to the

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things that we can drill within the next few years

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that could complement this system. And you know, watch out

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up until we got to work on the project, and

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we're already to see new things in new areas and

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it's a very rod lessystem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no substitute for boots on the ground. But there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so great, great comment, and really that's the history here.

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This project was under a government survey done by the

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Thruvin government. They actually age data the mineralization of when

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the middle is the copper and gold formed to be

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much much younger than it actually was. You know, it's

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about forty million years old, which is the eost And era,

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and that era when these deposits are formed is critical,

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especially when looking at minds like LUs almost Entaia, Constantia

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next door, you know, and if it doesn't fit in

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that box, a lot of people will look past it.

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We took a chance and we just kept seeing copper

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and gold on surface and that was our benchmark to

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look further. And we started doing channel sampling and we

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would sample one hundred to two hundred meters of really

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really rich copper and gold, and that's what drove us

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to go ahead. And then we came upon these rolls

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at the end of our first apurt of expiration, right

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before we were going to apply for drill permits, and

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these roles for drilled for iron, and they were never

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sampled for copper, and they're right on the edge of

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the system. They give us a speculation or a chance

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to fingerprint the rest of the targeting, and we were

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the first to sample those for copper. And the reason

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why they weren't sampled previously is because the iron explorer,

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once you see copper in your iron, it's metallurgically not

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extractable efficiently or economically. So we sampled it and it

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matched the grades on surface and it gave us that

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thrilling excitement that the discovery could be already there. So

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this is more of an expanding discovery exercise than trying

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to make something completely new. And that was also the

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edge that had helped us finance and persevere through COVID

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times and tough capital environments to get to this point

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where we are today. So there is economic or perceived

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economic caught from molmentalization in the third dimension. It supports

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the rest of our targeting of what we're doing. There's

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some very very good exposure on surface and we're now

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just trying to drill to see if we can find

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large amounts of what's there, what's already been discovered in

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several new areas. And the best part about this troject

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is there's so many places to have a big discovery

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along it. You know, some of the larger minds in

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the world are one to three kilometers long. We're exploring

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seven kilometers of strike length in this first targeting phase

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and we will have draw results coming as early as September.

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Speaker 3: Well that's quick. So how deep are you going to

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go here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? A good question, Yeah, good question. We see reason

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to go from surface quite deep in our targeting. But

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we're focusing on the first vertical three hundred meters, which

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will be about an average depth of three fifty to

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four hundred meters for the hole. So that's where we

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plan to drill about sixteen holes or more by the

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end of this year and then continue on with another

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fifteen holes in the first half of next year. But

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that we're targeting everything near surface that's the low hanging truth.

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If we do see something with incredible grade that tells

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us to keep going a bit deeper, that could really

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scale the project and fits in a reasonable economics since

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the near term time frame will go after that as well.

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And then lastly, you know, there's a lot of talk

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right now, and it's quite speculative about a causative intrusion

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being nearby to form all of the copper gold mineralization

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or FIFTEM. Sometimes there's these engines underground which would bring

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up the minimalization and that would be more than likely

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a causet of porphyry that's created all of this. So

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there's targets there, there's no shortage of targets. And the

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best part about all of what I've just said is

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we can drow thirty holes testing all those aspects here

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as we go into a rising potentially rising metals Marcus.

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So the financing we did was the real key aspect

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to starting this project on the right foot. Tech Mining

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bought in as a nine point nine percent investor. I

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think that's a very very substantive endorsement. Not only do

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they have operations in Peru, but they were on the

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project back in twenty eighteen, and they have some experts

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that are quite familiar with the region. Their endorsement was

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competitive amongst three other majors that were trying to come

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in and get a piece of the deal or go

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and venture the project from us, and so it came

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in on share terms for both sides, and having them

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in the background, it opens up a lot of possibilities.

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You know, we can get to get it right. But

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as an explorer, you know you want third party validation.

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No matter how good the rocks look to you, you

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want to know that they can look good to somebody else.

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Long bias can form, especially over time when a good

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expiration project. So bringing tech in certainly gives us a

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very very respectful third party validation from a very smart

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company with a very deep technical sense of great discovery.

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So that's where we sit today. Both Tech owns nine

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point nine neumont owns about six point two percent of

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the company. We're in touch with both of them on

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a fairly regular basis as we go and drill this.

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And there's about three other major miners watching closing their background,

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and you know, big minds are much harder to find

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now than they were about a decade or two decades ago,

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a lot of the more exposed discoveries have been made,

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and a lot of capital has kind of died in

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the expiration sector and hasn't made it to the drill

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bit as much as we really wanted to see. So

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these things take a long time to put online. They're

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rare to find if we get it right. And the

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greatest thing about Sombrero is it has a very big

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if you know, if you start getting it right, it

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could be world class top twenty kind of mind exploration

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projects in the world. And that's what we're shooting for here.

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Speaker 3: Hey. And while the earnings of the majors are coming

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in really well, like Numont, it doesn't solve the problem

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of dwindling reserves, dwindling resources. So when they have a

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credible junior like Copernico, they really have to back it.

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They almost don't have a choice, do they.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what I think they comes down to.

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They want a shot at it because the money. I

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hate to say this, and every junior mining CEO is

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going to not like this, Carmen, but it's one we're

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all living is money's really hard to find, extremely hard

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to find, and especially in this environment, and that's the

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reality we're all facing. The easy part, I hate to

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say it is the money, and the hard part is

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the asset. And I've been to your bear markets before,

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I've been through the OA correction, I've seen it all.

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And the one thing that is really hard the rocks.

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You know, to get an opportunity like this is worth

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more than the capital. So when looking at this with

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the majors and watching them all perform extremely well, having

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some incredible quarters at these new metal prices, we're in

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that sweet spot where there's a lot of money around.

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But the importantly, there's a lot of supply missing on

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especially quality supply, and you have to really use the

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word quality on anything about half four percent copper that's

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at surface with infrastructure that's going to make the top

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thresholds of the better minds in the world that are

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being pursued or being mined, and that's what we're chasing here.

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So yeah, you can't. And then look at the time

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frame the last point. Look at how long it took us.

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Took us nine years to bring this project online from

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kicking the first raw, but four years to permit and

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drow with a hang up with COVID and that's that's

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a remarkable thing you can't put a price on. So,

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you know, we're in a position now with you know,

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potentially what everybody wants at a timing that looks like

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it could be much better than the last few years,

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and an opportunity in the supply curve to really capture

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some of the demand that's can outweigh the supply here

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in the next eighteen twenty four months.

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Speaker 3: And as a shareholder here, the way things are shaping up, hey,

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who knows, maybe in a year or two you'll have

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a bidding war where the majors are all going all

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in on this project, because, like you say, the rarity

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is something of this scale, this quality, it just isn't.

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Speaker 1: There absolutely, And so you know, if it's there and

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it's big enough, not only could it create a competitive environment,

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but it could contribute to long term proper needs globally

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for the planet. And that's something else we look at.

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I mean, the prize is huge. And third point is

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the people that it's going to impact, you know, locally,

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you know, just seeing that potential positive, very positive benefit

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for them for multi decades, multi generations to come. This

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is a real special one, and it's you know, in

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my world, no matter how hard it's been, it's been

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more than worth the way. And now it's that exciting

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part with the drill turning, going back towards when can

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you actually trade the company shares. We are conditionally approved

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to listen the Toronto stot Exchange. That's the main board,

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that's the large exchange in Canada. It's one of the

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best mining exchanges for companies in the advanced explorations. To

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stay as we are, it'll give us tremendous access to capital,

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both retail and institutionally. The second point there is it'll

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be easier for you to trade it as a US investor.

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There is a rule that we trade for at least

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thirty days and an international exchange before we can upgrade

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our US symbol. So we're going to be looking to

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do that and hopefully within two months we have a

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US symbol and we would eventually pursue one likely pursue

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one to listen the NAVES the AMEX Exchange, and we

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believe we'd meet all that criteria once we have six

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months of trading on the Canadian International Exchange. But the

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Toronto Exchange should be a lot easier for all investors

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to access on not just US, but also in Europe

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and other parts of the world, and we look forward

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to that. As far as timing, I can't be specific.

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We're at the final documentation, we receive the conditional listing,

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we're filing that in a timely manner and hope to

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be trading in the first two weeks of August. As

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of August fourteenth. If we don't list by then there

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is a penalty of some warrants that we have to

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give out, and we feel very conmpident we're going to

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list before that deadline, so we're going to do what

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we can to get there. The exchange has been exceptional

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in dealing with us and getting us on a fairly

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timely basis, and you know, we're going to be in

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a very good position going into the fall, not just

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with draw results here, but to have twelve months of

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potential drawer results that can could indicate or give us

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or show us that we're onto that big discovery that

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we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: And not to mention TSX liquidity wise and spreads, it's

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much more favorable for traders and investors than lesser exchanges

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around the country. Round the globe for that matters so well.

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Definitely exciting times ahead. I'm glad I couldn't trade my

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shares for the past few years because I held on

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to them and I'm expecting good things coming. Hey, you

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want to go over to Copertico Metals that see O

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p p E or ni ceo Metals dot com. Sign

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up for the notifications, get those drill results right away,

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and again the symbol on the TSX will be cop

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R and we'll see what it comes up in the

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US as Hey, maybe you'll pull it off again and

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you get the same symbol on both exchanges, which would

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be great, even though it's a little more difficult when

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you're looking up to see the price. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Kerry. And this is a special thank

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you to all our shareholders. I know it's been top

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it's been a long wait. I'm there with you. I'm

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put it in a substantial amount as well. And I

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run this company as a shareholder as well as the CEO,

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because that's where we all went in the end, is

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by share price performance. But I just want to thank

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everyone for the patients, and I want to thank all

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of our stakeholders and helped us get through and believed

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in us that we would do this the right way.

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Improve and the proving government agencies that have helped us

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get through permise, even though it's taken some time, but

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in a very respectful, timely manner. We see Peru changing

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and going in a very very positive direction towards exploration

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and permitting, and that's something we are living firsthand. So

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we're very thankful to that, and we're thankful to the

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board and the team that stuck with us, and so

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we're really excited. Thank you all for your patience. And

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now it's up to the drillbit and what we can

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do with what we find and if we comply to

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dig it up. But thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, and I just looked at my shar as.

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I just put them up on a shelf in the vault,

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just left them there, and knowing one day, just like

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just like my physical metal, this was going to pay off.

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And hopefully we're closer to it now than we've ever been.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Kerry, appreciate all your support.

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Speaker 2: The Financial Survival Network