Speaker 1: All right, here's one don't know where it is controversial,
not controversial. Uh so it has come out to say
this is Seatier, so it's not. It's not a confirmed thing.
But then other Seatier people have backed this up. Also,
we always cover seat Toier news because we can turn
into a tier news. The hunt for Gollum, obviously that's happening.
We don't know where it's gonna be. It's gonna be
happening at Netflix, It's gonna happen in a paramount, but
it is happening scheduled I think right now twenty twenty seven.
Maybe they bumped, but I thought it was twenty twenty seven.
But anyways, that's happening, right. We got any Circus he's
coming back, you know, director of venom Let there be
Kringe any Circus directing this movie. He's coming back to
direct and voice Gollum. And then Ian mccollen's coming back,
he em. Elijah Wood has not said this, but Ian
McKellen has said on his behalf that Elijah Wood is
coming back, and just recently, like I think a couple
months ago they asked Eagle Morrison about this and he
was very open, like, yeah, I could come back and
I love that character DA and it sounds like now
that he might not be coming back. This report didn't
specify if it was his choice or the studios, whether
it be money or timing, but it sounded like that
was something they were thinking about. But now it looks
like they are recasting this character. Obviously, Vigo is much
older than he was when Hunt for Goal would be started.
Obviously he's not that the air Gone character has slow aging.
Vigo has aged.
Speaker 2: They also said that they don't know if they.
Speaker 1: Could do like a Hobbit situation where Kirk, I know
he haven't seen this, but they brought Ian Holme back
as kind of like a narrator at times, so you
got to see Ian home original Bilbo, and then you
got to see Martin Freeman and his Bilbo.
Speaker 2: So they did say that could be something on the table.
Speaker 1: May or maybe you see older Ara Gorn speaking of
the story or speaking of something and then you get
a younger actor. But yeah, how do you feel about
this as far as Aragorn might be getting recast for
the story.
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I am totally fine if we go this
route of changing up the actor.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't have like Hype's not the right word. I
feel like I don't have like a lot of you
don't have hype. Yeah, I guess I don't have hype
or like I want to say, like expectations lower. But
like that, I don't want to just sound like it's
going to be like, oh, it's just gonna be garbage
when it comes out, Like I also don't want to
be just pessimistic about it. But I feel like my
I'm a little bit distant with this specific project. It
was kind of fun just speculating about, like you know,
the returning faces, whether whether it was Vigo, were we
talking about Ian in here?
Speaker 1: Also, well, Ian's supposed to be back, and it sounds
like Elijah's back and obviously Andy's back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just like that idea was kind of fun.
But like I feel this project seems so far away
that like the more we go on without like concrete
updates on like what's going on with this project makes
me think that like, well, Vigo is the first one
to disappear from the project, Ian's probably next, like will
throw to stick around this whole time? Yeah, So I
don't know, it's just for whatever reason I have those
thoughts in my head when I think about this project,
and then when I when I saw the article, I
was like, Okay, yeah, I think I'm okay with that.
I think it's a young or what's the better way
to say, it's yeah, I actually I'll say that, like
like the younger Vigo in the movies.
Speaker 2: I feel like where we.
Speaker 3: Are now, it would just it would seem, yeah, pretty
jarring to have.
Speaker 2: I don't know, a d H.
Speaker 3: Vigo or something in these scenes. If he's the protagonist
or the main person that we're following, it might be
too much. I'm totally okay with just a recast and
give a younger actor a shot and let him show
us what he's got. Whether it's gasoline, rojuice. We'll decide
that at a later point. But yeah, I'm totally okay
if this is the route that we're going. But it
doesn't really change hype, It doesn't take away from it, it
doesn't really add to it or anything.
Speaker 1: Right now, Okay, Yeah, I'll agree with you that. I
think it's the only thing I can agree with you
there that it's not changing my hype because I'm already
low on this. I've said this before, where I just
we went through the Hobbits. I know Peter Jackson's there
and helping him produce in this time, but like I said,
Andy as a director doesn't make me that exciting.
Speaker 2: And I just.
Speaker 1: Feel there's a lot of iffiness that can happen in
between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: That's when the story's set, right. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: And even though we joked about this, we're on a
Patreon exclusive episode. We pitched like our five Lord of
the Rings movie, we pitched a goal movie, but it
was a little bit different.
Speaker 2: I think that I guess I need to know the
size of the role.
Speaker 1: If it's if it's a smaller role, then I don't
think it's as bad if it is a supporting role.
Even I think we're up for some trouble, and I'm
gonna say trouble. I just think it's gonna be weird if.
Speaker 2: Like you were saying, like, oh, if we lose other people,
but what if we don't.
Speaker 1: What if it is Ian McKellen and Elijah and all
this stuff, And when an actor hasn't passed, it does
feel a little weird that everyone else's back. But we've
recast this one act right, I know what happens all
the time, but especially because I think they're trying their
best to evoke the nostalge of that original trilogy, right,
they want the people that love those movies to come
see this. Well, already you're losing air going And I
don't know, like, is a Hunt for Gone that far
from Fellowship? Like I know it's in the book, but
I mean, like whin the Fellowship forms?
Speaker 2: No, I think it's not that.
Speaker 3: I should be pretty much yeah right there.
Speaker 2: So to me and I will always go back this.
Speaker 1: I know Taya's gonna, you know, wear sure and you
know talk about him and the fifty other people that
want this movie.
Speaker 2: You know, with Solo too. But we saw it with Solo.
Speaker 1: We that movie, we saw a guy that was close
enough to what Harrison or like Hansol's age would be.
And that guy was nothing like Han Sol look vibe
everything right, But it's like.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the same guy. It's like, no, it's not.
It's not the same guy at all.
Speaker 1: And especially with that, this is oh, this is the
guy that becomes Harrison Ford. It'd be different if Hey,
we've rebooted Star Wars and this is our new Hans Soul.
You go, hey, this isn't like Harrison Ford, but he
kind of has like a bit of a different take
on it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's where for me, we're and you're right, we can't.
We can't do the d aging on vegle because watch
The Irishman. I love the Irishman, but when Robert de
Naro is running around, he's a sixty year old running
around as a thirty year old doesn't make much sense
because his body's moving slow.
Speaker 2: But he's supposed to be in his peak condition.
Speaker 1: You see him kicking a guy and he's moving slow. Right,
So all those times when Vigo's fighting Rcai ORCS sixty,
Vigo can't do that. You know, even with a stunt
double can be a little murky. So that's what it's like. Okay,
if you recast with the rest of the group, I
feel I feel you put a lot more. I guess
what I should say is you do the d aging.
Speaker 2: I think that's setting up for failure.
Speaker 1: If you recast with everybody. Look, it's give me the
thumbs up because my mic stands like this. It's fucking weird. Taylor,
you fucked up my MIC's stand. You fucked it up,
you bastard, and even.
Speaker 3: THO when you're getting tired.
Speaker 2: Not yet, but.
Speaker 1: Even though when you recommend me kirkled I pulled it
up the Amazon Alotto thing, and I don't think it's
that same one. I think it's a little too big.
So I got to try and find the new. But yeah,
I have to show it. But what no, No, I
don't want to get another wrong screw. So I I
think you're fucked if you do the d agent. I
think you could be fucked if you do the recast,
because if you get all the nostalgia back and you
get the like, who's this guy?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I think if they were to say, hey, we're
recasting every character, there's so much less pressure on this guy,
Plane Airgorn where now it's like, oh, you're the only
one recast. I just feel I would not take that gig.
That's not a gig. I would take his actor. I
guess it could be your breakthrough, right, but I just
feel like you are. It's like, look at all their rank,
that's what he was in a couple of things, and
like he's in some stuff now. But like we can
all say it, that hurt his career just the same
way this man has said it himself. Jesse Eisenberg last
year said me, doing Lex.
Speaker 2: Luther hurt my career. There are times where you.
Speaker 1: Do something you think, oh, well, big Bay check, a
big franchise, whatever, because I know somebody like, well, I
take that role.
Speaker 2: Absolutely I do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I'm talking to a fucking real, like
working actor that's out there busting their ass and trying
to think about their future career. I would tell person, no,
don't take this unless it is this obscene amount of
money and you're in debt or you want family needs,
then absolutely a job's job. But I mean like, if
you're not in that situation, you could turn stuff down.
I just feel like it's tough because I feel like
Vigo reminds me of Harrison Ford, where it's like Viwa
is like a specific vibe. He's not just like an
actor like, oh, you can get anybody. It's like Vigo
Morrison has a specific vibe that air Gorn. It's just
I am just so scared of who they could get
and what they could do and just get like the
very pretty Aragorn Like I don't know, And Mike, I
agree with you, where you say I'll take a new
actor over bad CGI any day.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I still think one, I guess
I just don't want to like think this movie is
a good idea. But two then I say, do it
without this character. Obviously, the characters in there so stuff.
I just think, like I agree with you. I just
think either way you're kind of screwed. And I think
I'm going back to what I said months or a
year ago whenever this was announced that I know it's sacrilege.
I know people don't want it, but I think at
this point, you either just remake those movies or say, hey,
we're doing new adventures Lord of the Rings in the Universe.
We're not gonna remake the trilogy, but we're gonna do
now stories and we're gonna recast these characters, you know, everybody,
Because then I don't think there's as much weight on it, right,
because then what we're gonna get this guy who everyone thinks.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, right, but we could.
Speaker 1: Potentially get a guy that everyone fucking hates and the
things they suck as air Gorn, And then you could
get Ian McCown Elijah with where it's like ah, this
isn't like what it used to be, right, Like because
Ian McCown a lot older, we'll see Ian McKellen still
great actor. I just every time I hear an update
of this movie, I get more and more worry.
Speaker 2: Don't we're wrong. I'll be there.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be an interesting review. I'm predicting
it's gonna be a very potentially disheartening review.
Speaker 2: But maybe I'm wrong, right, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: There could be some guy out there that screen test,
because that's the thing, Kriklin. They're not reading the book
and being like, oh, we gotta get a guy that's
like air Gorn. They are going, we gotta get a
guy that's like Vigo's air Goorn.
Speaker 2: So that's where it's.
Speaker 1: That's the tough thing for me, and I just like
god speed to any actor who gets this role. I
think they would be smart to go, at least with
an unknown I don't need to see like Adam Driver
or Chris Pratt like something like that, Like I don't
need I'm not saying Chris Pratt would actually get the gig,
but I just thinking that joke because he's Garfield Mario
and stuff. But it's just like I think with this
whole movie, they're walking on glass or egg shells. I
guess not glass yet. And just even this news, I'm like, okay,
I am with Mike. It does make sense to recast
like overall on the whole, But then when you take
a couple of steps out from it, and again though
I don't know if this, if this guy has like
one or two scenes, then I don't think it's as bad.
Speaker 2: Then it's okay, that guy didn't have the vibe and
you move on.
Speaker 1: But if it's a thirty minutes or plus screen time,
that's where you're opening yourself up or him for some
some scrutiny. You know, you don't want to you don't
want to be the guy because they said, look at Solo,
Donald Glover, Everyone fucking loved that guy. He was, Oh
he's a great Lando, all in airrich. He didn't get
that same love. And now it's like, you know, just
kind of around. So, Mica, before I go to you,
you say, it's like the Lion King remake where they
brought Beck James ro Joon but recast everyone else, just
with more returning actors. I agree, And that's what to me,
if they said, hey, we're doing a Lord of the
Rings adventure, we're recasting everybody but Gollum because Circus is
directed in the movie. It's the voice, and say, Okay,
that's fine, you can keep Circus. You know, it's like
j Jon and jameson, Sure, keep him as JK. I
think it's just weird when it's like everybody's the same
but not this one character who's still or this one
actor who's still alive.
Speaker 3: Right, So, yeah, that's fair. I don't really know what
else to add to that.
Speaker 2: No, am I right wrong? I guess I can say that.
Speaker 3: No, I think you're completely right, especially the comparison to
the movie that some people will say exist some people
say it doesn't, like especially if you have like clear
examples of that, like we've already gone through this a
character like in a project that the vast majority of
people absolutely love and they absolutely love it because of
the casting attached to it, Like that's a very very
hard role to fill. Even if you have an Oscar
level actor be the new guy, like it just still
won't have that same hutzpa. But then you get the unicorns,
like the Donald Glover playing playing Lando, like like he
fucking did it and he killed it. And I think
that's the vast majority of people think that, even like
the old old people that probably love you know, older Lando,
they can they can see that magic in there. So yeah,
more vast majority of the time, I think you get
this recasting incorrect. But like I don't know, I'm kind
of like with superb bad MIC's comment there of just
like taking the new actor over bad cgid d Ag,
you know, like any day of the week. But we
also don't know what the screen time would be for
this character, So that could also change my opinion because
if he's very if he's not in as much as
I think he would be, even though it's like him
hunting Golumn, so I think it would be a big
portion of the movie. But if it's not, and if
we do replace the character, and I'm like, really, we
couldn't get Vego to do this minor amount.
Speaker 1: If he was in there for two scenes, why don't
you yet Vigo? Then right, and yeah, get a stunt
double for the action and shoot around it.
Speaker 3: Especially like what you said, if we have Ian, if
we have Elijah Wood, if we have all the main players,
what happened with Vigo's contract negotiation to have him not
come back for a small amount there, so two billion.
Speaker 1: Is he an Oscar winner?
Speaker 2: I don't think he is. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's just been in those big critically
acclaimed roles like.
Speaker 2: Yeah has been. There was Green Book Book.
Speaker 1: It was a history of violence, not only for three oscars.
Speaker 2: So he's not one one yet. The Mercia win Oscarcia
is a double all.
Speaker 3: Two for could have been three for if he ever
got bladed, but that'll never happen.
Speaker 2: No, of course, oh sor I was wrong.
Speaker 1: It wasn't for History of Violences and promises that's a
great movie. And then Captain fantastic and then Green Books
so three times but.
Speaker 3: No win there three time nominated.
Speaker 2: Earn Dog.
Speaker 1: Let's see here, blah blah blah blah. I gotta bring
this up quickly because I forgot to put in the notes.
Speaker 2: Where the fuck is it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, bear with me here, there we go,
all right,