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Speaker 1: All right, here's one don't know where it is controversial,

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not controversial. Uh so it has come out to say

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this is Seatier, so it's not. It's not a confirmed thing.

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But then other Seatier people have backed this up. Also,

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we always cover seat Toier news because we can turn

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into a tier news. The hunt for Gollum, obviously that's happening.

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We don't know where it's gonna be. It's gonna be

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happening at Netflix, It's gonna happen in a paramount, but

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it is happening scheduled I think right now twenty twenty seven.

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Maybe they bumped, but I thought it was twenty twenty seven.

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But anyways, that's happening, right. We got any Circus he's

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coming back, you know, director of venom Let there be

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Kringe any Circus directing this movie. He's coming back to

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direct and voice Gollum. And then Ian mccollen's coming back,

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he em. Elijah Wood has not said this, but Ian

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McKellen has said on his behalf that Elijah Wood is

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coming back, and just recently, like I think a couple

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months ago they asked Eagle Morrison about this and he

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was very open, like, yeah, I could come back and

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I love that character DA and it sounds like now

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that he might not be coming back. This report didn't

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specify if it was his choice or the studios, whether

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it be money or timing, but it sounded like that

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was something they were thinking about. But now it looks

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like they are recasting this character. Obviously, Vigo is much

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older than he was when Hunt for Goal would be started.

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Obviously he's not that the air Gone character has slow aging.

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Vigo has aged.

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Speaker 2: They also said that they don't know if they.

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Speaker 1: Could do like a Hobbit situation where Kirk, I know

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he haven't seen this, but they brought Ian Holme back

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as kind of like a narrator at times, so you

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got to see Ian home original Bilbo, and then you

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got to see Martin Freeman and his Bilbo.

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Speaker 2: So they did say that could be something on the table.

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Speaker 1: May or maybe you see older Ara Gorn speaking of

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the story or speaking of something and then you get

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a younger actor. But yeah, how do you feel about

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this as far as Aragorn might be getting recast for

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Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I am totally fine if we go this

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route of changing up the actor.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't have like Hype's not the right word. I

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feel like I don't have like a lot of you

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or like I want to say, like expectations lower. But

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like that, I don't want to just sound like it's

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going to be like, oh, it's just gonna be garbage

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when it comes out, Like I also don't want to

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be just pessimistic about it. But I feel like my

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I'm a little bit distant with this specific project. It

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was kind of fun just speculating about, like you know,

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the returning faces, whether whether it was Vigo, were we

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talking about Ian in here?

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Speaker 1: Also, well, Ian's supposed to be back, and it sounds

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like Elijah's back and obviously Andy's back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So just like that idea was kind of fun.

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But like I feel this project seems so far away

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that like the more we go on without like concrete

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updates on like what's going on with this project makes

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me think that like, well, Vigo is the first one

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to disappear from the project, Ian's probably next, like will

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throw to stick around this whole time? Yeah, So I

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don't know, it's just for whatever reason I have those

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thoughts in my head when I think about this project,

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and then when I when I saw the article, I

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was like, Okay, yeah, I think I'm okay with that.

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to say, it's yeah, I actually I'll say that, like

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like the younger Vigo in the movies.

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Speaker 3: Are now, it would just it would seem, yeah, pretty

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Speaker 3: Vigo or something in these scenes. If he's the protagonist

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or the main person that we're following, it might be

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us what he's got. Whether it's gasoline, rojuice. We'll decide

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that at a later point. But yeah, I'm totally okay

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if this is the route that we're going. But it

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doesn't really change hype, It doesn't take away from it, it

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we went through the Hobbits. I know Peter Jackson's there

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and helping him produce in this time, but like I said,

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Speaker 2: And I just.

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Speaker 1: Feel there's a lot of iffiness that can happen in

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between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 2: That's when the story's set, right. I just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And even though we joked about this, we're on a

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Patreon exclusive episode. We pitched like our five Lord of

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the Rings movie, we pitched a goal movie, but it

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was a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: I think that I guess I need to know the

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size of the role.

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Speaker 1: If it's if it's a smaller role, then I don't

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think it's as bad if it is a supporting role.

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gonna say trouble. I just think it's gonna be weird if.

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Speaker 2: Like you were saying, like, oh, if we lose other people,

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but what if we don't.

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Speaker 1: What if it is Ian McKellen and Elijah and all

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this stuff, And when an actor hasn't passed, it does

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the time, but especially because I think they're trying their

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best to evoke the nostalge of that original trilogy, right,

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they want the people that love those movies to come

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see this. Well, already you're losing air going And I

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don't know, like, is a Hunt for Gone that far

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from Fellowship? Like I know it's in the book, but

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Speaker 2: No, I think it's not that.

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Speaker 3: I should be pretty much yeah right there.

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Speaker 2: So to me and I will always go back this.

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Speaker 1: I know Taya's gonna, you know, wear sure and you

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know talk about him and the fifty other people that

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want this movie.

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Speaker 2: You know, with Solo too. But we saw it with Solo.

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everything right, But it's like.

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guy that becomes Harrison Ford. It'd be different if Hey,

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Speaker 1: You see him kicking a guy and he's moving slow. Right,

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double can be a little murky. So that's what it's like. Okay,

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Speaker 1: If you recast with everybody. Look, it's give me the

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you bastard, and even.

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Speaker 3: THO when you're getting tired.

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Speaker 1: Even though when you recommend me kirkled I pulled it

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Plane Airgorn where now it's like, oh, you're the only

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big franchise, whatever, because I know somebody like, well, I

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to think about their future career. I would tell person, no,

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we're doing new adventures Lord of the Rings in the Universe.

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Speaker 1: Potentially get a guy that everyone fucking hates and the

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things they suck as air Gorn, And then you could

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great actor. I just every time I hear an update

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it's gonna be a very potentially disheartening review.

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and being like, oh, we gotta get a guy that's

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like air Gorn. They are going, we gotta get a

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guy that's like Vigo's air Goorn.

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Speaker 2: So that's where it's.

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Speaker 1: That's the tough thing for me, and I just like

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god speed to any actor who gets this role. I

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think they would be smart to go, at least with

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an unknown I don't need to see like Adam Driver

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or Chris Pratt like something like that, Like I don't

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need I'm not saying Chris Pratt would actually get the gig,

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but I just thinking that joke because he's Garfield Mario

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and stuff. But it's just like I think with this

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whole movie, they're walking on glass or egg shells. I

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guess not glass yet. And just even this news, I'm like, okay,

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like overall on the whole, But then when you take

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a couple of steps out from it, and again though

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I don't know if this, if this guy has like

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one or two scenes, then I don't think it's as bad.

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Speaker 2: Then it's okay, that guy didn't have the vibe and

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you move on.

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Speaker 1: But if it's a thirty minutes or plus screen time,

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that's where you're opening yourself up or him for some

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some scrutiny. You know, you don't want to you don't

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want to be the guy because they said, look at Solo,

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Donald Glover, Everyone fucking loved that guy. He was, Oh

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he's a great Lando, all in airrich. He didn't get

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that same love. And now it's like, you know, just

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kind of around. So, Mica, before I go to you,

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you say, it's like the Lion King remake where they

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brought Beck James ro Joon but recast everyone else, just

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with more returning actors. I agree, And that's what to me,

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if they said, hey, we're doing a Lord of the

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Rings adventure, we're recasting everybody but Gollum because Circus is

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directed in the movie. It's the voice, and say, Okay,

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that's fine, you can keep Circus. You know, it's like

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j Jon and jameson, Sure, keep him as JK. I

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think it's just weird when it's like everybody's the same

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but not this one character who's still or this one

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actor who's still alive.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, yeah, that's fair. I don't really know what

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else to add to that.

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Speaker 2: No, am I right wrong? I guess I can say that.

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Speaker 3: No, I think you're completely right, especially the comparison to

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the movie that some people will say exist some people

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say it doesn't, like especially if you have like clear

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examples of that, like we've already gone through this a

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character like in a project that the vast majority of

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people absolutely love and they absolutely love it because of

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the casting attached to it, Like that's a very very

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hard role to fill. Even if you have an Oscar

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level actor be the new guy, like it just still

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won't have that same hutzpa. But then you get the unicorns,

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like the Donald Glover playing playing Lando, like like he

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fucking did it and he killed it. And I think

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that's the vast majority of people think that, even like

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the old old people that probably love you know, older Lando,

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they can they can see that magic in there. So yeah,

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more vast majority of the time, I think you get

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this recasting incorrect. But like I don't know, I'm kind

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of like with superb bad MIC's comment there of just

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like taking the new actor over bad cgid d Ag,

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you know, like any day of the week. But we

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also don't know what the screen time would be for

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this character, So that could also change my opinion because

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if he's very if he's not in as much as

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I think he would be, even though it's like him

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hunting Golumn, so I think it would be a big

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portion of the movie. But if it's not, and if

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we do replace the character, and I'm like, really, we

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couldn't get Vego to do this minor amount.

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Speaker 1: If he was in there for two scenes, why don't

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you yet Vigo? Then right, and yeah, get a stunt

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double for the action and shoot around it.

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Speaker 3: Especially like what you said, if we have Ian, if

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we have Elijah Wood, if we have all the main players,

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what happened with Vigo's contract negotiation to have him not

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come back for a small amount there, so two billion.

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Speaker 1: Is he an Oscar winner?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he is. I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he's just been in those big critically

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acclaimed roles like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah has been. There was Green Book Book.

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Speaker 1: It was a history of violence, not only for three oscars.

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Speaker 2: So he's not one one yet. The Mercia win Oscarcia

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is a double all.

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Speaker 3: Two for could have been three for if he ever

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got bladed, but that'll never happen.

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Speaker 2: No, of course, oh sor I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't for History of Violences and promises that's a

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great movie. And then Captain fantastic and then Green Books

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so three times but.

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Speaker 3: No win there three time nominated.

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Speaker 2: Earn Dog.

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Speaker 1: Let's see here, blah blah blah blah. I gotta bring

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Speaker 2: Where the fuck is it?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, bear with me here, there we go,

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all right,