Speaker 1: From Workhouse Connect and aj Benza.
Speaker 2: Fame.
Speaker 1: Uh he'd liked to be walked on a leash and
Speaker 1: play really dirty kinky sex games. Is uh the guy
Speaker 1: put the cock in the peacock network. Okay, bitch, hey everybody,
Speaker 1: aj Ben's youre here with fame, is it?
Speaker 2: Bitch?
Speaker 1: This is your daily Unfiltered podcast for October twenty second,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. One oh two two.
Speaker 2: Two I love that.
Speaker 1: Oh two five nice one O two to two oh
Speaker 1: two five, A lot of the well shit, almost the falloffs.
Speaker 1: Darn it.
Speaker 2: I need one more oh one more zero one more one. Uh,
Speaker 2: I can't kill it. You know. I just did.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight minutes of his show that's probably gonna go
Speaker 1: thirty eight minutes, and I moved my hand and I
Speaker 1: hit the microphone and that stopped the recording. Don't ask
Speaker 1: me why, and I couldn't save it. So here I
Speaker 1: am back, and you know I just did my before
Speaker 1: I start.
Speaker 2: I always do testing, testing, got to see if the
Speaker 2: microphone's working right, texting testing, testing.
Speaker 1: It makes me think of I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get to all of you with this reference, but
Speaker 1: it makes me think of the cigarette ad for Durrow.
Speaker 1: Remember Darraul cigarettes, Taste me, taste me, I kept saying, testing, testing,
Speaker 1: and I'm going.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm singing the Duraul cigarette song.
Speaker 1: That was such a crazy commercial, a cigarette brand telling
Speaker 1: you to taste it, tase me, taste me, take a
Speaker 1: puff and let me do my stuff. Oh it was
Speaker 1: the worst. And these two guys are in a bar.
Speaker 1: I remember the commercial. Some commercials just stick out, like
Speaker 1: that's a spicy meat all the alcal Celtic commercial. You know,
Speaker 1: uh you ate it, Ralph all the great, It's a
Speaker 1: smorgash boarg.
Speaker 2: There's so many great commercials over the years.
Speaker 1: But these two guys are in a bar and there's
Speaker 1: a floating pack of dural cigarettes and they're both trying
Speaker 1: to grab it, and the pack is going taste me,
Speaker 1: teast me, and the one idiot goes he grabs the pack.
Speaker 1: He says, well, your zuberant self confidence is amply justified
Speaker 1: by your superb good taste real cherkle. Then two ladies
Speaker 1: are in the supermarket. Both are smoking. Hey what he
Speaker 1: got there? Oh? I smoked Durell Darrell and she also
Speaker 1: up a pack of Raleigh. No, it's all about Durrell.
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, well, it's less tar. Oh, there's so many
Speaker 1: great things. You have to know what's less tar? And
Speaker 1: I bought that. I bought a lawn sprink a little
Speaker 1: with the good ponds I get on the cigarette pack.
Speaker 1: It's so bad and here we are thinking all those years.
Speaker 1: Go get an old.
Speaker 2: Magazine from the seventies.
Speaker 1: I got some old playboys, the cigarette ads, the liquor ads,
Speaker 1: the men's cologne ads where the women, the women just
Speaker 1: look like all they could do was just hunger for
Speaker 1: the man.
Speaker 2: And old spice.
Speaker 1: My father always knowed them old spice and canoe.
Speaker 2: You guys know, canoe do you canoe? Where do you canoe? Rosalie?
Speaker 1: But my father is his colognes, old spiced and canoe
Speaker 1: British sterling. When I went to may SE's and began
Speaker 1: to work during college, that's when I fell in love
Speaker 1: with men's colognes. I gribbed chaps first. Then it was
Speaker 1: Paco Rabon and oh I've graduated to Calvin Klein, to Couros,
Speaker 1: to uh so many great, so many Halston C fourteen Holston.
Speaker 1: I'll still wear E fourteen. They only stewed it right
Speaker 1: AIDS and CBS is if you're lucky, should go on Amazon.
Speaker 1: I used to have twenty twenty five bottles of cologne.
Speaker 2: Now I have won.
Speaker 1: It's an old it's a little bottle. My wonderful friend
Speaker 1: Nari well she pronounced it naughty. It's Amanda, but I
Speaker 1: like her Korean name Natty. She gave me a little
Speaker 1: young Gotier ba tiny Jean Paul Gotier bottle. It just
Speaker 1: reminds me of the nineties because he was so big then,
Speaker 1: and I touched my neck with it once in a while.
Speaker 1: I love that, love her, I love it, Love Jean
Speaker 1: Paul JPG. Hey, a lot of j Lo in the
Speaker 1: news lately, and I'm looking on box Office Mojo, which
Speaker 1: is what I used to always go to when I
Speaker 1: was producing so be It. By the way, so be
Speaker 1: It has gone up in Rotten Tomatoes. He used to
Speaker 1: have like a not touch a good score. Now it's
Speaker 1: like six point eight, I think out of ten, and
Speaker 1: the Tomato meter is higher than it was six seven
Speaker 1: years ago, so more people are seeing it. It's just
Speaker 1: a sweet family movie, it really is. But you know,
Speaker 1: back then, when it landed, it was all superhero movies
Speaker 1: and all that bullshit.
Speaker 2: But now you well, it's never gonna be seen anymore.
Speaker 2: That's the bottle.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with producing a small movie. It's very
Speaker 1: rarely seen, even one awards for film festivals. We were
Speaker 1: proud about that and really proud of the work that
Speaker 1: the actors. But Chlorus Leech, Finn, John Hurd alfre worded,
Speaker 1: and a wonderful Talitha Bateman, She's amazing. And one of
Speaker 1: the guys from Ray Donovan who I love, can't think
Speaker 1: his name, you know, they got with the weird name.
Speaker 2: Who played the brother. Oh God, I love my can't
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I cleared my throat a lot yesterday and I hope
Speaker 1: I don't do it more today.
Speaker 2: I apologize. I listened to the show this morning. I
Speaker 2: didn't like the way it sounded. So I'll try to
Speaker 2: I'll do my best, not too anyhow.
Speaker 1: Box Office Mojo says that The Kiss of the Spider Woman,
Speaker 1: the j LO movie, opened up number twelve in the
Speaker 1: box office here in America.
Speaker 2: That's not a good time. The second week it went
Speaker 2: down to nineteen. That's curtains.
Speaker 1: The film has been only one point five million one
Speaker 1: point five.
Speaker 2: The budget was thirty mili.
Speaker 1: Some people say the budget might have been fifty sixty
Speaker 1: mili after it Jo got paid.
Speaker 2: And I can certainly believe that that's not the only bomb.
Speaker 1: The Leonardo DiCaprio movie, One Battle after Another, which everybody's
Speaker 1: telling you to see, lining up to be another bomb.
Speaker 1: I mean people are gonna see it because he was
Speaker 1: directed by the great Paul Thomas Anderson of Boogie Knights
Speaker 1: and Magnolia's.
Speaker 2: Fame in other movies. He's good, he's an auteur.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't look like it's gonna make the money
Speaker 1: he needs to make. It looks like gonna be a
Speaker 1: big loser. The Hollywood rags are saying it's the best
Speaker 1: thing ever. Variety actually ran a headline saying, one Battle
Speaker 1: after Another the review Paul Thomas Anderson's insanely great action
Speaker 1: movie with Leo Sean pennin Ninia del Toro has it
Speaker 1: all that you would think those three guys.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd run.
Speaker 1: When it comes on one of the streamers, I'll watch it,
Speaker 1: although I better not be NETFLIXU. I canceled Netflix, and
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. But it made twenty two
Speaker 1: million in change ba ba bah. Now it's up to
Speaker 1: forty eight but this is one hundred and thirty, one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollar budget. They think this movie
Speaker 1: is gonna be a big one hundred million dollar loser.
Speaker 1: Well listen, sorry, but you know, if you know what
Speaker 1: it's about, of course it's gonna lose. Why would they
Speaker 1: think it'd be great? Well, why would they think people
Speaker 1: are gonna run out to see? This is what the
Speaker 1: country is so fractured? The movie is about a leftist
Speaker 1: militant group that liberates immigrants from a detention center. Excuse
Speaker 1: me who produced this? AOC and Chuck Schumer. It's about authoritarianism,
Speaker 1: you know. It's about people being against Christian nationalism and.
Speaker 2: People being oppressed by an unaccountable force.
Speaker 1: I'm reading now. The film sympathizes with leftist characters and
Speaker 1: their desire to fight against a corrupt system.
Speaker 2: Well, to you, it's corrupt.
Speaker 1: To me, it's wonderful.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's corrupt at all.
Speaker 1: I love what's happening, and I love what a what
Speaker 1: Carolyn Levit said to that asshole who works for the freaking,
Speaker 1: the stupidest website, Huffington Post. He thinks he's a real reporter.
Speaker 1: He just texts her left talking points and asked the
Speaker 1: most ridiculous questions, and she let him have it. She
Speaker 1: called him bullsh You're a bullshit artist. You always flood
Speaker 1: my text message with He's left his talking points, she
Speaker 1: killed them. But I'll do that on politics as a bit.
Speaker 1: I also wanted to talk quickly about this came up
Speaker 1: the other day. I saw a picture of the guy
Speaker 1: who who was lucky enough, well whatever you want to say,
Speaker 1: lucky enough to make an arrangement with David Geffert, the
Speaker 1: Hollywood multi billionaire. Okay, we know David's gay, even though
Speaker 1: he wanted to marry his share He said he wasn't
Speaker 1: gay one hundred years ago, but sucked one cock.
Speaker 2: That's it. Get done.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you taste, if you take it from behind,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You can't go back to the other team.
Speaker 1: Once you do that, you're done. You're on that team.
Speaker 1: You're wearing the jersey of the other team. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: you can't go you know what.
Speaker 2: Thought about it. I'm back on the straight side. No
Speaker 2: you're not. We're not gonna accept you, not gonna punish you,
Speaker 2: but you.
Speaker 1: Just can't be on this team. We don't want you
Speaker 1: in the dugout sit over there. So this kid something Donovan,
Speaker 1: I think Barry Donovan. I think his name. I think
Speaker 1: he goes by the initials DG. Just to you know,
Speaker 1: look these two men on a website called Seeking Arrangements
Speaker 1: dot Com dating site. Okay, listen, if you're David Geffer,
Speaker 1: you're worth all these billions. You're too old. You're eighty
Speaker 1: two years old. You're not gonna try to find a mate,
Speaker 1: a man you can marry and settle down with. You
Speaker 1: want to have some fun. You know, you got money
Speaker 1: for days, You've got some passion, you got all the
Speaker 1: big toys. Hey, you want to be with me for
Speaker 1: the next God knows what. I'll make your life easier.
Speaker 1: You'll pleasure me when I needed you know, what do
Speaker 1: you say men do.
Speaker 2: It with women?
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that at the other day when
Speaker 1: I mentioned to you that Jeremy Piven, you know, not
Speaker 1: getting married. I dated a couple of different girls dated
Speaker 1: him and told me who dated me, and told me
Speaker 1: he just talks about himself incessantly. And these two girls
Speaker 1: are beautiful and pivots like that. He just is stuck
Speaker 1: wanting you to hear about him. And you know they said, Look,
Speaker 1: we knew we were getting into but we didn't think
Speaker 1: he'd be that much of a narcissist.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the way it is in Hollywood with a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys.
Speaker 1: But if you're just trying to get an arrangement, like
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example, and this might make you
Speaker 1: turned off. Jerry Buss, the old man who used to
Speaker 1: own the Lakers, and now it's owned by his daughter, Jeanie.
Speaker 1: They just sold ten billion dollars of it. She married
Speaker 1: my friend Jay Moore, who christ that he's stepping it,
Speaker 1: but I'm happy for the kid.
Speaker 2: Good for him.
Speaker 1: Jerry Buss would be at the mansion all the time,
Speaker 1: really great friends with Hugh Hefter, and these girls would
Speaker 1: come in and they look for the sugar daddy. They
Speaker 1: need their their car note pay they don't. Maybe they
Speaker 1: need an apartment, maybe the credits don't good. Whatever it is,
Speaker 1: these guys are there. They have so many millions and
Speaker 1: millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They're paying some chicks it's twelve hundred dollars month apartment
Speaker 1: twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: They don't care.
Speaker 1: But the side deals were i'll pay for your apartment,
Speaker 1: I'll pay your car. Note in fact, you want a
Speaker 1: new car you want, I'll get your jeep. Jerry Buss
Speaker 1: bought my as girlfriend a jeep before I was with her.
Speaker 1: I can't say no because a girl in this town
Speaker 1: without her own car, without a reliable car, it has
Speaker 1: to rely on men to take her here and there.
Speaker 1: There's way before uber you're in trouble. So the deal was, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll buy you, I'll get your car. Pay the car now,
Speaker 1: I'll pay for your apartment. You know what, once a month,
Speaker 1: I need you to go out with me. Maybe I
Speaker 1: go to a private poker game. I need you to
Speaker 1: rub my back while in there. I need you to
Speaker 1: show up, dress sexy, let the men.
Speaker 2: Know that I'm with you.
Speaker 1: You're with me, and you know, maybe once a week
Speaker 1: you let me watch you take a shower. So everybody's
Speaker 1: got a price in this town. Those are real stories,
Speaker 1: you know. But seeking arrangements dot com David Geffen, same guy,
Speaker 1: but gay wants an arrangement and they fall in love
Speaker 1: quote unquote, and they get married. There's no prenup though.
Speaker 1: I don't know why Geffen would do that. He's eighty two,
Speaker 1: he's worth nine billion dollars and this asshole kid you know,
Speaker 1: grew up and forced to care, had issues as a child,
Speaker 1: becomes a physical trainer at a gym. That's where randomly
Speaker 1: met David Geffen to begin with, you know, and his
Speaker 1: friend said all he ever talked about was wanting to
Speaker 1: be rich and famous. So clearly got what he want
Speaker 1: in terms of, well, she's not rich or famous, but
Speaker 1: he has no problem getting what he wants.
Speaker 2: But now it's over, and he got.
Speaker 1: Some money, maybe a few million, butch sounds like a
Speaker 1: lot when you're younger, but really it's not going to
Speaker 1: get you too far. And if he was really a
Speaker 1: smooth criminal, I'm thinking you're just wait seven more years
Speaker 1: if you can. He's not going to hold on to
Speaker 1: least eighty nine.
Speaker 2: I doubt it.
Speaker 1: Maybe he might, but then you get half because it's
Speaker 1: common law.
Speaker 2: I don't know, think he made a bad movie.
Speaker 1: Speaking of old coots and their lovers, Mick Jagger and
Speaker 1: his fiance Melanie Hamrick. They were on the Red Carpet recently.
Speaker 1: They don't really go out much. They went to the
Speaker 1: British Museum Bowl Polls for pictures mixed eighty two, same
Speaker 1: age as Geffen. He wore the typical old man kind
Speaker 1: of outfit when you go out. Blue jean blazer, nice
Speaker 1: button up shirt and sneakers. That's what the old men wear.
Speaker 1: And the woman goes out with the off the shoulder
Speaker 1: gown looking like cat shit.
Speaker 2: Ba ba bah. She was a farmer ballet dancer, so
Speaker 2: she looks good.
Speaker 1: They're holding hands, Okay, forty four year age gap, and
Speaker 1: she's kind of fine with it. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: she has gotten whatever she's wanted for a long long time.
Speaker 1: They have a son, they named it Devereaux. It's mixed,
Speaker 1: eighth kid. They're not engaged. They're not well. They were
Speaker 1: not engaged, but they got engaged a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: very quietly.
Speaker 2: Not gonna get married. No rush.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why the word rush is even in
Speaker 1: the sentence. He needs to rush to everything at eighty
Speaker 1: two years old, it's rush into the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he rush to get married? Maybe one day,
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe not. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of girl a man his age wants,
Speaker 1: like not shooting him to do anything. But this ship
Speaker 1: was a ballet dancer for many, many years, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's uh something Mick likes a lot this, this
Speaker 1: whole thing, I kind of want to blame Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: and his girlfriend Jordan Jordan Hudson, Who's Who's Who's's a
Speaker 1: little set spot. You could tell she's a bit and
Speaker 1: she's too controlling what she's doing to Bill. If you
Speaker 1: saw that video the other day or her the audio
Speaker 1: of them two sitting down in NFL Films and Bill
Speaker 1: was gonna have a show of his first year coaching
Speaker 1: in North Carolina at the at the college.
Speaker 2: It didn't go well.
Speaker 1: They scrapped the show because of her, always on the sidelines,
Speaker 1: always in his ear. And then she's in this meeting,
Speaker 1: a production meeting. She didn't like the way the graphics looked,
Speaker 1: and then she took Bill to the side and they
Speaker 1: started talking and whispered tones about how bad this group
Speaker 1: of people are. They don't know shit, they can't and
Speaker 1: Bill's agreeing with her, and it was all caught on
Speaker 1: a hot mic and it's not good for him.
Speaker 2: But I blame all.
Speaker 1: This May December shit, I shouldn't blame him, but you know,
Speaker 1: Bill's out there with a fishing pole on the beach
Speaker 1: and his girlfriend's dressed as a mermaid, I mean, really,
Speaker 1: it's gone a little too far. But that's one things,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, got kind of crazy, you know. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: it's tough. I understand if you Bill Belichick and you
Speaker 1: see this girl coming at you, you meet on a
Speaker 1: plane and she's all over you. Yeah, it's hard not
Speaker 1: to take her for a spin, you know. But the
Speaker 1: dancers is that I dated at I did it, not
Speaker 1: a stripper. I did a ballet dancer. I dated strippers,
Speaker 1: and I'm perfectly fine with that. Love a good stripper.
Speaker 1: The sexual they're just sexual women.
Speaker 2: I love it. But the ballet dancer is different.
Speaker 1: Way back when, must be nineteen ninety two, ninety one,
Speaker 1: me and Jen had broken up and this young girl,
Speaker 1: beautiful girl was working at the publishing job I had, and.
Speaker 2: She was hard.
Speaker 1: I had to some executive assistant for the boss that
Speaker 1: typically met hands off. But she was really young, probably
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I'm thirty three. We have thirty four.
Speaker 1: And she'd walk down the hallway and she'd have to
Speaker 1: pass my well, we had cubicles back then.
Speaker 2: They just became a thing in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Cubicles gray gray, wood, wood painted gray. Oh, it was
Speaker 1: so bad and plexiglass above, so you couldn't like lean
Speaker 1: over and talk to your buddy, you have to go
Speaker 1: over the.
Speaker 2: Gla It was like little prisons.
Speaker 1: That's when I woke up and heard the Captain of
Speaker 1: your heart and knew if I cannot go to an
Speaker 1: office every day, shoot.
Speaker 2: Me in the fucking eye, I can't do it anyhow.
Speaker 1: Here she comes down, Oh jill aritis and rhyme with Adidas.
Speaker 1: She had an R instead of a dinner name. She
Speaker 1: looked like Connie Selica went out for a drinks pepapah,
Speaker 1: and she's telling me what she does. Well, I'm actually
Speaker 1: at a ballet. I was dancing for years. I compete
Speaker 1: what you did and you look at her body? Oh
Speaker 1: I could tell now I could tell, and jail. We
Speaker 1: have a ballet student. My mother teaches ballet to this day.
Speaker 1: I have a studio twenty minutes. So what can I
Speaker 1: show you? Well, dinner's almost all that. We had a
Speaker 1: couple of Margarine say yeah, you could show me your ballet.
Speaker 1: It's nighttime. It's ten to eleven o'clock at late, no
Speaker 1: one's there. She's got the key we go in off of.
Speaker 1: I love these old addresses. It was off Nesconstant Highway,
Speaker 1: which if you're a Low Islander, can get very confusing.
Speaker 1: That's known as the Route three forty seven, not to
Speaker 1: be confused at Route four fifty four, which is veterans hobby.
Speaker 1: They both there's a split in the road when you
Speaker 1: go toward the north out of Long Island, so we're
Speaker 1: on that highway that's highway, and uh, she's doing ballet
Speaker 1: moves in the room. The lights were kind of low,
Speaker 1: but there's mirrors on every wall and the bar that
Speaker 1: goes around the room, so the girls can hold that.
Speaker 1: She's doing the arabest, the adagio, the plais the purouettes.
Speaker 1: Still has the talent, very sexy, very good doing this barefoot.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: thank god I was young and slim back then because
Speaker 1: we began to have sex in the studio and look,
Speaker 1: I can't look at myself in the mirror now.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine if.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in shape back then and I had to
Speaker 1: look at every wall was a mirror, I would have
Speaker 1: ran out of there screaming like I was in a
Speaker 1: fucking Hitchcock movie. Can't see every angle of myself naked
Speaker 1: back then, I guess I could. I looked, Okay, Now, No,
Speaker 1: the mirror is a crack. If she called now and
Speaker 1: said I think I want to see you again at
Speaker 1: my mother's studio, I'd say, you're.
Speaker 2: Breaking up jail. I can't coming.
Speaker 1: No one needs to see me in a whole mirrord room.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen anyhow. I'm just saying, but that's
Speaker 2: what good look. Guys do this. We you know, some
Speaker 2: of you might go age.
Speaker 1: You always have to talk about his old gong cluss,
Speaker 1: his old girlfriend. You know what. As you get older,
Speaker 1: sometimes it just discussion falls into that and you just
Speaker 1: want to talk about your reminisce. It brings up old
Speaker 1: stories in your head, like because I know maybe your
Speaker 1: husband doesn't You don't see your husband doing this or
Speaker 1: your boyfriend doing it. But we all have gone back
Speaker 1: in our past since the advent of social media and
Speaker 1: tried to find the girls who were cut in high
Speaker 1: school or college blah blah blah. Honestly, I think I
Speaker 1: remember one two girls name in college Debbie Massinelli, who
Speaker 1: I had a crush on, and VV Hicks.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't know girls first and last names. In college,
Speaker 1: I was a commuter. I didn't sleep there and live there.
Speaker 1: But high school I knew them all. That's what we do.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times you go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she didn't hold up, not to say I did, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm still a fucking casanova. No, but you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you look at a girl and go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what happened? And it could be anything in our age.
Speaker 1: It could be an illness.
Speaker 2: We don't know. It's not fair, you know.
Speaker 1: The twenty year reunion, there was plenty of girls who
Speaker 1: still look great, and the guys too. Now I get it,
Speaker 1: no more riigious than me. Actually, nineteen eighty. So the
Speaker 1: next reunion we would be twenty well, twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: would be here. It's forty five years. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go to the fifty Oh my god, the fifty years
Speaker 1: five years away.
Speaker 2: I won't. God, I can't go. Hopefully they'll be alive.
Speaker 1: So I found one girl, Debbie Elipa, with the only
Speaker 1: Jewish girl like well, I did it a couple of
Speaker 1: Jewish girls, but this one was a real Jewish girl.
Speaker 1: Like both parents Jewish, you know, the kind of parents.
Speaker 1: My father would say, their face looks like the map
Speaker 1: of Israel. Nice people, and they made a really pretty
Speaker 1: sexy daughter. They really did.
Speaker 2: Debbie was like five to eleven, great body.
Speaker 1: I met her at nightclub when I was divorced, and
Speaker 1: she was a fun, wild spirit.
Speaker 2: She lived with her parents. Naturally, she was twenty.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty four, thirty five right, They're a nice Jewish
Speaker 1: couple who are like maybe forty one, so I'm like, right,
Speaker 1: almost the same age as then, which is awkward. But
Speaker 1: but but Debby ran the house. I mean she would
Speaker 1: take me downstairs to the basement TV room, which is
Speaker 1: like six steps belief.
Speaker 2: The kitchen.
Speaker 1: It was very close, and we'd have our fun down there,
Speaker 1: you know, we just have some fun. Our parents are
Speaker 1: ram upstairs, and the father once law will come downstairs first.
Speaker 1: He'd yelled, dab, dab, I'm thinking I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: work out, all right, dad. She'd roll a rods like
Speaker 1: he never works out. Obviously the guy had no muscle tone,
Speaker 1: but he had a solo flex downstairs, remember the solo
Speaker 1: flex machine that handsome do with the great chest and
Speaker 1: was taking a shirt off of the commercials or the
Speaker 1: print dance solo Flex. He'd come down and bank some
Speaker 1: bench presses out some military you know.
Speaker 2: Solo flex was a rubber.
Speaker 1: Bands kind of not waits, so it was very quiet,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of ahead of its time to
Speaker 1: use rubber.
Speaker 2: They weren't bands. They were thicker than bands.
Speaker 1: But one night he's doing an exercise and the band
Speaker 1: snapped and it smacked him so hard on the side
Speaker 1: of his head and got the corner of his eye.
Speaker 1: His whole pupil turned red. It was bleeding inside his eye.
Speaker 1: Big Mu looked like someone punished him on the cheekbone.
Speaker 1: He was fucked up, and he's got.
Speaker 2: To go to the emergency room. And he's like, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, and the wife is yelling, and then Debbie's like,
Speaker 1: he'll be fine, and then.
Speaker 2: He goes upstairs. The wife is going, what did you do?
Speaker 1: You know, Barri? Are you okay?
Speaker 2: I'm not. We gotta go to the er. And he's like,
Speaker 2: deb do you and Ak want to come with us
Speaker 2: to the emergency room. She's like, are you kidding me? Dead?
Speaker 1: No, you'll be there for six hours. We'll be fine home,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. They left, and that was to
Speaker 1: me God saying, now you can have your fun. But
Speaker 1: you know, I was married for five years before that,
Speaker 1: and six years of dating before I was married for her,
Speaker 1: So I'm basically locked up for a living years. And
Speaker 1: then I meet this debbie who's just a free spirit.
Speaker 1: And you know, one day I innocently asked her, what
Speaker 1: do you want to do this summer? Because he Sawted
Speaker 1: dating July. What do you want to do this summer?
Speaker 1: She goes, Remember she's twenty. Her answer was, I want
Speaker 1: to work on my tan, go to clubs.
Speaker 2: And fuck you.
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds like a plan to me.
Speaker 2: That happened for a good six seven months.
Speaker 1: What have you speaking of older women with younger men,
Speaker 1: Actually we're speaking of women with older men, not older women.
Speaker 1: But well, let's just say men who might become ill.
Speaker 1: Let me give you this completely relatable and believable rumor.
Speaker 1: There's a rumor out there making the rounds that Emma
Speaker 1: Hemming is possibly trying to negotiate a payout so she
Speaker 1: can divorce Bruce Willis and marry someone else while she's
Speaker 1: still young and beautiful. Now, it may sound like, ah,
Speaker 1: if it's true, it sounds like a little little crass maybe,
Speaker 1: like that's not right. I kind of support her if
Speaker 1: that's what she wants to do. And here's why there
Speaker 1: are people have family members, you know, cousins, this and that,
Speaker 1: and they're married, and they have their whole lives they
Speaker 1: do one Let's say they're teachers, you know, they retire
Speaker 1: at sixty three years old. Maybe they're athletic. They want
Speaker 1: to bite through Europe. Maybe you want to do the
Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail like people do. I don't know, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to do. And one of you, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden is diagnosed with dementia at sixty three. Like my
Speaker 1: sister retired the rain and then her husband, Frankie, retires
Speaker 1: so they can spend their lives together, not working, not
Speaker 1: even a year entire retirement. She has a seizure as
Speaker 1: she's driving, never had a seizure, crashes the car. Not
Speaker 1: too bad, She's gonna drive like fifteen miles an hour.
Speaker 1: But turns out brain cancer that spread to her lungs.
Speaker 1: And now they're both retired and there's nothing to do
Speaker 1: because she's now suffering with cancer, have to go through
Speaker 1: all the chemo and this and that. They still want
Speaker 1: on plenty of three day weekends, little fucking five day trips.
Speaker 1: I mean Frankie was so good to my sister for
Speaker 1: the last two three years of a life. He was
Speaker 1: always great, but he was especially an angel. But what
Speaker 1: happens when you get to that point, like Frankie still
Speaker 1: working out still, you know, like he wasn't being held
Speaker 1: back by his age. He's actually younger than I am.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: When the ring got sick, I still do. I can
Speaker 1: still play football and basketball and go to the gym.
Speaker 1: I'm not I want to go out and have a
Speaker 1: nice night, you know. So if one person in the
Speaker 1: relationship comes down with an illness unfortunately, or dementia let's say,
Speaker 1: I mean even a fault the person who's healthy to
Speaker 1: it's hard.
Speaker 2: You don't want to leave them. But if they're suffering
Speaker 2: from dementia and don't know.
Speaker 1: You, you don't leave of that cancer or you know,
Speaker 1: any kind of other debilitating illness. But if they don't
Speaker 1: know who you are anymore and they're just gone, there's
Speaker 1: nobody home, the lights are out. I mean, it's sad
Speaker 1: to say, but I understand why you can still visit
Speaker 1: them every couple of days. The kids still come. But
Speaker 1: mommy needs something else to do. Mommy needs to be
Speaker 1: loved Mommy doesn't need to try up and wither away.
Speaker 1: And the same thing applies to a man. So it
Speaker 1: might sound crass that this, if this room is true,
Speaker 1: that it came up, but I kind of understand it.
Speaker 1: Some people go downhill really fast. They don't even recognize
Speaker 1: the person they loved anymore. They don't recognize their kids anymore.
Speaker 1: You put them in a nursing home, you visit them
Speaker 1: every few days, you know me, even every day. But
Speaker 1: as long as you have someone someone else to land
Speaker 1: on and lean on and love, well.
Speaker 2: That's okay. In my book, if I found out.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, if I was still with Andrew and I found
Speaker 1: that I've got a terminal illness and it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: get better, It's gonna get worse. And I was letna say, man,
Speaker 1: tyd have a happily married I'd say, do not stick around.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could stick around, but you better go
Speaker 1: out and get another man. You're young enough, you're pretty enough,
Speaker 1: you're sexy enough. Go get someone else. Do not make
Speaker 1: this the end of your life. I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: reason for it. So you know, I kind of think
Speaker 1: you got to grab onto joy in this life. Grab
Speaker 1: on to joy. Wherever you can find it, because it
Speaker 1: can be snatched away in an instant. So if Emma
Speaker 1: Hemmy wants to find joy and Bruce doesn't know who
Speaker 1: she is anymore because I got the film and not
Speaker 1: telling us everything about their dad, then go ahead and
Speaker 1: do it. Can't get enough of this Prince Andrew story
Speaker 1: and the Virginia jew Fray, the whole thing. The big
Speaker 1: reports have surfaced that Andrew asked for police protection to
Speaker 1: dig up information on Virginia jew Fray. They found that
Speaker 1: in some league emails. Obviously this is when she was
Speaker 1: still alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not good.
Speaker 1: He gave somebody he knew, an officer. He gave your phrase,
Speaker 1: social security number and date of birth to look into
Speaker 1: her alleged criminal record. And she's seventeen years old.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 1: Man, when she was with Andrew, she was seventeen, and
Speaker 1: he wants to get dirt on her. This guy's such
Speaker 1: a bastard. The more we hear about Prince Andrew, what
Speaker 1: a piece of shit. Had to give up his title
Speaker 1: or he decided I should give it up because they're
Speaker 1: gonna snatch it away anyhow.
Speaker 2: Really bad.
Speaker 1: But we all know Virginia Tifrey dies of suicide last spring,
Speaker 1: only forty one years old, accused Andrew's sexual assault, whether
Speaker 1: he's involvement with the Epstein sex trafficking ring raped her,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. We all know the story.
Speaker 2: She follows.
Speaker 1: The lawsuit case was settled, She got about twelve million dollars.
Speaker 1: Wasn't enough. The pain wasn't enough. The love of her
Speaker 1: children wasn't enough. The love of her husband wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: She still went and committed suicide. Is that someone who
Speaker 1: just feels the pain of what they went through with Epstein?
Speaker 1: Or is this someone who was fucked up to begin with?
Speaker 1: I really I need to know to ditch on your
Speaker 1: kids and husband? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine doing that to people who love you
Speaker 1: that much. They weren't gonna abandon you. How much pain
Speaker 1: was she in that her husband and kids and twelve
Speaker 1: million bucks couldn't make her feel a little better. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be crass here, but none of those
Speaker 1: things were able to make her feel better.
Speaker 2: And listen, I'm just gonna say it. Look, she had sex.
Speaker 2: She had sex.
Speaker 1: She wasn't hot out the window by her feet, she
Speaker 1: wasn't beat with clubs. Wasn't punched to a pulp or
Speaker 1: spit on as far as I know. Maybe I should
Speaker 1: read a book and see all the story of details
Speaker 1: if she printed them all. But she was subjected to
Speaker 1: having sex with some men after years of working, after
Speaker 1: years of working with Epstein and gallad Maxwell, working with
Speaker 1: them to the point that the two weirdos at some
Speaker 1: point took it to the beach in the Caribbean, a
Speaker 1: little smokel expedition, and they're swimming in shallow water. And
Speaker 1: that's when Jeffrey told her he really wants her to
Speaker 1: be the vessel that gives birth to he and Gallaane's baby.
Speaker 1: And Virginia thought about it because a lot of the
Speaker 1: terms they offered were pretty amazing. Okay, the promises they
Speaker 1: made for her were round the clock Danny's, a mansion,
Speaker 1: and a monthly allowance of two hundred thousand dollars. But
Speaker 1: she'd have to sign all legal rights to the child
Speaker 1: over to Epstein.
Speaker 2: Ugh, that's that feels wrong. In her book, she wrote, there.
Speaker 1: Was no way I wanted to bring a child into
Speaker 1: the world for them to raise. What if the baby
Speaker 1: were female? Was the plan for Epstein and Actual to
Speaker 1: have me bring that little girl up until she reached puberty,
Speaker 1: then hand their own to them to abuse.
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: Now at this point, she's eighteen, and she tells them
Speaker 1: she's placating them.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll think about it.
Speaker 1: But as she's saying that she's putting together an escape plan,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: But you know, at eighteen, you know, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if she was ready for her own mission. Impossible, but okay,
Speaker 1: at least she's trying to get out of there. Summer
Speaker 1: of two thousand and two, she'd been with them for
Speaker 1: a couple of years, had been abused by elite businessmen.
Speaker 1: She even said an unnamed prime minister left her bloodied
Speaker 1: and beaten.
Speaker 2: After their encounters.
Speaker 1: Doesn't give a name though, all of a sudden Obviously,
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew denies the sexual accusations. But they wanted to
Speaker 1: use your body as this vessel, and that's when.
Speaker 2: She reached a breaking point, she says.
Speaker 1: So they kept asking her questions, kept promising her this
Speaker 1: and that, really laying it on thick. And he said,
Speaker 1: I really want you to have our baby, and she
Speaker 1: said she'd heard him talk about this hypothetically. And the
Speaker 1: scary thing was She also heard him talk about seeding
Speaker 1: the human race with his DNA, so this proposal was
Speaker 1: kind of shocking to her. Glen said, no, no, no, don't
Speaker 1: worry around the clock. Nanny's a mansion in Palm Beach
Speaker 1: or New York. Take Palm Beach a grand a month.
Speaker 1: That's astronomical. Jesus. Now, guy reads those terms. I don't
Speaker 1: want to agree. Where do I sign But for a woman,
Speaker 1: particularly a young girl, that's a hard call. But you know,
Speaker 1: basically you're talking about a modern day handmaid have to
Speaker 1: sign over a kid to those two people. All the
Speaker 1: legal rights of that kid go to them, and she
Speaker 1: would have to travel with the kid wherever and whenever
Speaker 1: Epstein wanted. She'd have to say that she and Epstein
Speaker 1: were a couple, though we're not a couple. That was
Speaker 1: very important to him. I don't know why, but and
Speaker 1: that the baby would remain with him if we ever
Speaker 1: had a falling out. And she says with perfect clarity
Speaker 1: in her book, I simply knew that I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: to that proposal. That said, I also knew I couldn't
Speaker 1: just tell Epstein and Maxwell no, that was too dangerous.
Speaker 1: For the first time in more than two years. I
Speaker 1: began actively seeking a way to escape while pretending to
Speaker 1: be thinking over their offer. So she agrees eventually on
Speaker 1: the condition that they make good on their promise to
Speaker 1: put her through professional masseuse training. Could you imagine this
Speaker 1: is a girl whose nightmares began because she was rubbing
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's body and other men. Now try to understand this.
Speaker 1: She's complaining about sex tral abuse. It all began with
Speaker 1: the massages, and now to earn a living, she wants
Speaker 1: him to send.
Speaker 2: Her through massous school.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not really up to Doesn't the massages
Speaker 1: bring back awful memories for her? Doesn't you have PTSD whatever?
Speaker 1: Some low she has put out? And then a guy
Speaker 1: lays down on his back or stomach. I would think
Speaker 1: that would give her the he begbis to say the least,
Speaker 1: But no, I want to learn how to be a
Speaker 1: professional at.
Speaker 2: This to what end?
Speaker 1: Just because you know how to do happy end things
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that should be a career path. Unbelievable. So
Speaker 1: Epstein sends her to the International Training Massage School otherwise
Speaker 1: known as TMS. I'm kidding in Thailand, ha ha. But
Speaker 1: while she's there, he tells a paying for school, you
Speaker 1: still got to recruit girls for me from Thailand. So
Speaker 1: her job was still her job. But while she's there,
Speaker 1: she meets her future husband, Robert Chuffrey, and he helps
Speaker 1: her escape and they go on to have three kids. Now, look,
Speaker 1: the request was inconceivable for a young kid, of course,
Speaker 1: who had suffered sexual abuse. And you know, it's just
Speaker 1: too much to ask. But those things they offered were
Speaker 1: kind of thing to think about. But she said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd be endangering another person who would be a helpless child,
Speaker 1: and that was a bridge too far.
Speaker 2: All right, good for her, But I gotta tell you,
Speaker 2: I wish this shit was going on while I was
Speaker 2: a columnist.
Speaker 1: I would have made this my main goal. I would
Speaker 1: have went to his Caribbean island. I swear I would have. Look, hell,
Speaker 1: I've already been to Saint John, Saint Thomas, Virgin Gorda, Trinidad,
Speaker 1: and Tobago.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I've been to the Caribbean twenty times. I love it
Speaker 1: down there. Love the crystal clear water, the seafood, the
Speaker 1: laid back mentality, the beauty you see as the plane
Speaker 1: is landing.
Speaker 2: It's the gorgeous part of the world as a journalist.
Speaker 1: I gotta say though, I find it interesting that given
Speaker 1: all the uproar about her mistreatment, it took that to
Speaker 1: cause her to leave. It's a lot of holes in
Speaker 1: this girl's story I can't figure out. Let me just
Speaker 1: say this before I go deeper and deeper. If she
Speaker 1: was so worried about an escape plan, you couldn't you
Speaker 1: couldn't request an uber or there was a ober. How
Speaker 1: about a kid. I guess Epstein was wired all over town.
Speaker 1: He would know can't you leave when he's taking a
Speaker 1: nap or goes out in the boat as something, walk
Speaker 1: out the door and split. I know it's a small town,
Speaker 1: everybody knows him. I guess it's hard. Maybe he kept
Speaker 1: her passport.
Speaker 2: It a is safe. I don't know. But the problem
Speaker 2: with this book there's nobody asked questions of Epstein.
Speaker 1: He's dead, Maxwell's in prison, and Virginia commits suicide. So
Speaker 1: her timing and her circumstances are unfortunate, to say the least,
Speaker 1: because all the information contained in her book is gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to corroborate.
Speaker 2: Now we hit another fucking dead end with these people.
Speaker 1: He died, Lane's in jail, she ain't talking, and your
Speaker 1: face dead.
Speaker 2: I hate this the biggest story of our lifetime. Can't
Speaker 2: get it any more than we got it. That's it,
Speaker 2: it's over.
Speaker 1: But she must have suffered greatly in her life to
Speaker 1: have succumb to the temptations of this prick, and then
Speaker 1: to wait so long to write this book.
Speaker 2: But but, but here's what I feel in.
Speaker 1: My heart, as a man with a handful of common
Speaker 1: sense that has always served me well.
Speaker 2: How many times did she gladly see Prince Andrew again?
Speaker 2: She wasn't in chains.
Speaker 1: She did these things, dare I say, willingly, happily with
Speaker 1: a smile on her face.
Speaker 2: We've seen her in pictures.
Speaker 1: She's smiling, Ajay, she's forcing a smile. Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1: Her parents didn't discourage her. This girl ran away at fourteen.
Speaker 1: She started earlier. She could have run away from Epstein
Speaker 1: or the Prince, but she didn't. So to me, she
Speaker 1: made a choice, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: she stuck around as long as she did for money
Speaker 1: and travel. So why would I trust that person's word?
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of you are gonna say, Aja,
Speaker 1: you're faulting a minor and trusting the word of Epstein
Speaker 1: in Naxwelle. Why would we trust the judgment of that
Speaker 1: kind of person who does that well, Listen, I am
Speaker 1: faulting her.
Speaker 2: She was a bad seat.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Epstein wasn't a criminal, wasn't a piece
Speaker 1: of shit. I'm saying Virginia Giuffrey was willingly complicit in
Speaker 1: that behavior that she knew was wrong, and her being
Speaker 1: a miner would mean she shouldn't be penalized as an adult.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't make her an innocent person, you understand,
Speaker 1: and at the risk of being brashed, We're not talking
Speaker 1: about a fourteen year old immigrant with a pimp who
Speaker 1: who's threatening her in the street. Virginia Jufley flew. Giuffrey
Speaker 1: flew around the world on private jets, and there were
Speaker 1: those times that her dad dropped her off at an
Speaker 1: airport for a trip to London to see Andrew after
Speaker 1: she got that fifteen thousand dollars tip, because she was
Speaker 1: working people. So there are reasons why this woman killed herself.
Speaker 1: There were things she did and regretted, and sometimes living
Speaker 1: with regret is more painful than having a ten inch
Speaker 1: blade plunged into your ribs. I'm sorry she killed herself.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry she couldn't find peace, but troubled people like
Speaker 1: this are impossible to figure out. And I find it
Speaker 1: a bit crazy to have a two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: monthly allowance and yet still want Massu's training. This girl
Speaker 1: was a pro before and after. That's all I'll say.
Speaker 1: I'm a Aja Benson. That was your Daily When Filtered
Speaker 1: podcast for October twenty second, twenty twenty five. Now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make shrimp a reganata.
Speaker 2: Woh so easy and delicious. I'll tell you about it tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Talk then,