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NOPERD is necessary if we were 24 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.079 pribitted by loss he terms and conditions eighteen plus. 25 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.640 You are now listening to True Murder the most shocking 26 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:17.760 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 27 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:25.120 written about them Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK Every 28 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:28.840 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 29 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:30.879 infamous killers in true crime history. 30 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:36.359 True Murder with your host, journalist and author Dan Zupanski, 31 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:51.319 Good Evening. What do Jack the Ripper, Jesse James, the 32 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:56.159 Texas Servant, Girl Annihilator, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 33 00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:00.439 and Jack the Kisser have in common? They were all 34 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:03.680 subjects of true crime newspaper reporting in the eighteen hundreds, 35 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.319 and now these stories and that of many others, are 36 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:09.680 brought together in their original form in a two volume 37 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:15.639 set True Crime Chronicles, Serial Killers, Outlaws and Justice, Real 38 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:19.919 crime stories from the eighteen hundreds, compiled and commented on 39 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.199 by New York Times bestselling author and former detective Mike Rothmiller. 40 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:29.280 These classic works of journalism resurrect astonishing stories that will 41 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.719 take the reader on a fascinating journey back in time 42 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:38.319 to when these horrific tales mesmerized a nation. Some may 43 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.120 find these articles and their descriptions of people and crimes 44 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.960 shocking by today's standards, but they are representative of the 45 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.599 most colorful true crime stories of the day. True Crime 46 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:55.039 Chronicles Volume two include stories about Billy the Kidd, Jesse James, 47 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:01.039 the Legendary, Jack the Ripper, Lizzie Halliday, Anna, Marie Swanzigger, 48 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:05.280 Jack the Haircutter, Butch Cassidy, and the Sundance Kid, the 49 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:10.400 Nebraska Murderer, and many more. Shocking stories follow along as 50 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.240 these reporters from another century visit the crime scenes, interview witnesses, 51 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:20.439 and pen the stories of murder, evil and swift frontier justice. 52 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.439 The book that we're featuring this evening is True Crime 53 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:29.520 Chronicles Volume two, Serial Killers, Outlaws and Justice, Real crime 54 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:32.759 stories from the eighteen hundreds, with my special guest journalist 55 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:36.599 and author and true crime historian Mike Rothmiller. Welcome back 56 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:38.800 to the program, and thank you so much for this interview. 57 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:40.599 Mike Rothmiller. 58 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:42.800 It's my pleasure to be here. 59 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:47.840 Thank you so much. This is a fascinating, fascinating book. 60 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.479 Let's talk about For those that didn't hear the earlier 61 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:55.400 interview this month for the volume one, maybe you can 62 00:03:55.520 --> 00:04:01.759 just repeat or reiterate basically the intention of this and 63 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:06.759 the unique format used to convey these incredible stories. 64 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.800 Sure, a little bit of background on it. I was 65 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:17.319 researching another book in various archives, and I kept coming 66 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:23.439 across fascinating stories that were written in newspapers regarding serial 67 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:27.160 killers and other albumos and so forth, and the way 68 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.759 they were written. They were very dramatic, very detailed, and 69 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:36.879 very grisly in some cases, and they just fascinated me. 70 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:41.519 And I thought that was rather interesting because those stories 71 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.839 mesmerized the country at the time. So I decided to 72 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:49.519 bring those forward, resurrect those stories as they were written, 73 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:53.639 because I couldn't do a better job describing it. And 74 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.480 if I did, on some of these serial killers, people 75 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.319 would say, well, jeez, that that sounds crazy. How do 76 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.600 you notice, Well, this is from the reporters who were 77 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.759 there at the scene and attended the trials and the 78 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.920 lynchings and everything, so it was first hand information. In 79 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.839 some cases it ends up being witnessed testimony, and it's 80 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.959 just absolutely fascinating the detail they get into what they 81 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.560 were able to cover. In what I'm speaking of. Then, 82 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:25.680 when I was a detective, there are certain things that 83 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.560 you told the press, but you held back a lot. 84 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:35.279 In these stories, nothing was held back they talked about 85 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:40.000 the type of crime, the injuries, They described them in 86 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:44.240 great detail, to the victims, They described the weapons used, 87 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.000 where the bodies were found, how they were found, and 88 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.439 ones that were mutilated how they're mutilated. So it's a 89 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:55.079 fascinating read. It gets into a great deal of detail 90 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.519 that people just don't read today unless it's in a 91 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.759 novel somewhere. But you certainly would not read that type 92 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:07.800 of information in a newspaper today. So with that in mind, 93 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.000 I decided to keep the stories as they were written 94 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.360 and then provide a commentary from my perspective about these 95 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.360 stories and why they were significant or what made them 96 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.600 very very strange beyond what was written. And I wrote 97 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:24.600 that from a historian and the detective's point of view 98 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.399 to basically all the stories that are in both the books, 99 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:31.639 volume one and volume two. 100 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:36.120 Right now, in terms of the contents, you have the intro, 101 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:41.560 then you have serial killers, the Other Jacks, the Old West, 102 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:47.879 the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, and you have short 103 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:53.079 crime stories. Yeah, so let's start with Let's start with 104 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:57.839 and you mentioned that you usually have a commentary here 105 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:03.120 before the story or afterwards. You start off with, of course, 106 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:08.319 the most infamous true crime story ever and character Jack 107 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.720 the Ripper. What does give us your commentary that you 108 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:16.560 provide for the articles that you present about Jack the Ripper. 109 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:24.199 Well, one, I introduced the crime itself because there's some people, 110 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.319 even though it's very, very famous, they do not know 111 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.879 about Jack the Ripper, and so I had to provide 112 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.319 some background about that in the time frame and where 113 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:37.199 it was occurring, and what this person was doing, and 114 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:42.319 how many basically female prostitutes were rerually murdered and a 115 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:46.800 lot of them dismembered by him, and sometimes it's just 116 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.639 some very strange things that he did to their body. 117 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:54.160 So I lay that out. I lay out what happened 118 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:58.240 in that area Whitechapel in New York and why a 119 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.600 pardon me not New York in London, and why it 120 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.240 was considered a lower class area where there're prostitutes, a 121 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:08.240 lot of criminals and so forth. And then I get 122 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:14.360 into the issue of people who are identifying various men said, 123 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:16.240 I think this guy's Jack the Ripper, and that guy's 124 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:18.439 Jack the Ripper. And the first guy they labeled was 125 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:23.199 called the leather Apron, who was the first killing. And 126 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:26.000 that's because they found a leather apron at one scene 127 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.160 and they said, well, gee, there must be this s 128 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:32.600 guy and so they start calling the leather apron killer. 129 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:36.799 So that's background information for people that's very useful. And 130 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:43.399 then I get into one of the articles too regarding 131 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:47.240 the Chief of Detectives for Scotland Yard who headed up 132 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:51.600 the investigation and what he had to say during his 133 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:57.399 interview about Jack the Ripper, and ultimately he states, and 134 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.600 I've been able to verify a lot of it since then, 135 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.600 that they did in fact capture Jack the Ripper, and 136 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.720 I talked about it in there, but they didn't have 137 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:12.240 enough to convict him in a criminal court. So under 138 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.039 the power of the Crown, which was the power of 139 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:20.240 the Queen, they decided okay, they went to their Secretary 140 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.159 of State basically and said, this is the guy who's 141 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:27.000 been doing it. He's insane, and so with a single 142 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.200 stroke of a pen, he was put into a mental 143 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.919 hospital for the criminally insane, and they called it the 144 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.440 Lunatic Asylum. And so this is where I get into 145 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.480 and all the stories talk about this who Jack the 146 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:43.919 Ripper was, the revelations about him made by the Chief 147 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.879 of Detectives, and if quite Frankly, if anybody knew about 148 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:49.399 Jack the Ripper, it's going to be the chief of 149 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.720 detectives who handled it at the time, and so his 150 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:57.600 interview was in there about the entire story. 151 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.480 Yeah, it's interesting. I had never actually read that conclusion 152 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:08.919 that they had captured Jack the Ripper and then put 153 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:12.679 him in a same asylum. I never read that conclusion. 154 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:14.960 And as many Jack the Ripper books have been featured 155 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:16.120 on this program. 156 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.360 So yes, I know, And like I said, since then, 157 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.919 I have a colleague. We've co written a book that 158 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:28.919 will come out in July in London, and we've dug 159 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:34.080 up more information confirming it that Jack the Ripper was 160 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:40.320 in fact captured by Scotland Yard and put into the 161 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:46.039 broad More Lunatic Asylum as they call it. So we're 162 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.159 going to dig a little bit deeper still and we'll 163 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.960 probably i think within another few months once there archives 164 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.080 opened up for people to go and we'll probably be 165 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:57.960 able to identify who Jack the Ripper was. 166 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:04.159 Wow, that's incredible. You have a section called the Other Jacks. 167 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:06.120 What is the other Jacks about? 168 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:10.679 Well, the other Jack's that, if anything, that was a 169 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:18.320 little lighter part of Jack. And they called several different people, 170 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.559 and they went through time, but mainly in the East Coast. 171 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:23.480 But one was Jack the Haircutter, Jack the Kisser, Jack 172 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:27.759 the hugger, and Jack the Cutter, and basically what it 173 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:31.960 was during the eighteen hundreds, primarily in New York and 174 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.279 Washington and some other areas on the East Coast, Jack 175 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:40.080 the Haircutter. There were a lot of want to be 176 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.080 Jack the haircutters once the word got out. But when 177 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.559 a woman or a girl would be walking down the streets, 178 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:49.559 he's got long hair, ponytails. These guys would run up 179 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:53.080 to them, grab them and generally with the straight razor scissors, 180 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:56.720 cut off their ponytails, keep the ponytails and the long 181 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:00.039 hair and run away. And this was not uncommon. A 182 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:04.720 lot of copycats going on. So that is Jack the Haircutter, 183 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.519 and the stories are in there about him. Jack the 184 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.480 Kisser was just what it says. Once again, there were 185 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.200 copycats in the same locations and they would ride their 186 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:17.399 buggies or a horse that they're walking down the street 187 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.559 and they'd see a girl or a woman they would 188 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:22.600 grab her and then kiss her. And the one guy, 189 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.480 the main guy, would generally end up with a poem 190 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:28.399 he would tell him some poem and then they would 191 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.120 take off, they would disappear. So that was very popular. 192 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:37.519 Jack the Hugger, as it states, these guys would see 193 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.000 a woman and they would run up to her and 194 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:43.159 hug her, and the woman would fight, try to get away. 195 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:44.879 They keep hugging her. Then they would let her go 196 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:49.639 and they would run away. And that was a very 197 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:53.159 popular if you want to say, it was a crime 198 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.440 in a sense. But sometimes I think a lot of 199 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.080 these the articles were they were maybe joking, but there 200 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:07.039 were copycats. Jack the Cutter was a interesting character who 201 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.159 did not like long dresses on women that were dragging 202 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.759 on the ground. So those are primarily in Washington, d c. 203 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.600 That this occurred. But he would see some moment with 204 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.440 a long skirt and if it was dragging on the ground, 205 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.519 he would jump out with a pair of scissors shears. 206 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.360 He'd run up to them, he'd grab them and he 207 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:28.360 would cut their dresses off another six or seven inches 208 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.000 so they would and drag on the ground. And so 209 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.039 that was more of a sounds like more of a 210 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.159 fetish in some bizarre way. So that was Jack the Cutter. 211 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:40.919 So when I was doing the research, quite Frankly, I 212 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.440 didn't know about any of these other Jacks, and I 213 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:48.120 thought the stories are so interesting because they all occurred 214 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.080 around the same period of time, and I just thought 215 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.840 I had to include them because they were so unusual 216 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.919 and so different. So that's how all the other Jacks 217 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.000 ended up being in the book. 218 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:08.080 Let's go to a far more incredible story. September eleventh, 219 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:12.000 eighteen ninety three, and you have the Courier News and 220 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:17.159 the headline A murderous maniac. And for the audience this 221 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:21.720 the term maniac is used in these articles all the time, 222 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:26.320 it seems. Anyway, this is a crimes charged against Lizzie 223 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.720 Holliday and a mania. Like Jack the Ripper, she killed 224 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.600 and mutilated her first husband in same manner as second, 225 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:38.240 and then the McQuillan women were murdered through a thirst 226 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:41.840 for blood. Tell us what do you have to say 227 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.759 about Lizzie Halliday and why this story was so compelling. 228 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.399 Well, Lizzie, well, the primary reason. There are very few 229 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:57.200 serial killers who were women through time, generally their man 230 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:02.320 and in most cases younger men, so was of interest immediately. 231 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:06.440 And then when I started reading the articles about her, 232 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.480 I realized that she was probably for most of her life, 233 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:17.519 she would be considered insane and she just would kill. 234 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:21.039 She killed a couple of her husbands, and she would 235 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:25.639 kill for a variety of reasons, but truly they were 236 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:31.840 never known. And so she was eventually convicted and imprisoned. 237 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:37.559 And there was one woman who basically was like a 238 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.000 warden they call them, and their guards who pretty much 239 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:46.440 befriended her and was able to control her because she 240 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.039 was just really wild. She would attack people for no reason, 241 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.360 or whatever her reason was, nobody really knew. And so 242 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:57.080 when this woman finally told her that she was leaving 243 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:06.200 the prison system, Lizzie got upset and just decided to 244 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.279 go ahead and try to stab her to death in prison, 245 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:13.759 and she just attacked her, and then Lizzie ended up 246 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:18.320 after she was convicted of these other murders of Sarah 247 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:23.200 Quinlan and Eloquent mcquinland. She was the first woman to 248 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:27.480 be electrocuted in the United States to receive the death penalty. 249 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:35.480 So she was very very strange, very diabolical, and as 250 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:37.759 some of the articles pointed out, they said that she 251 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.840 was the worst woman on earth because they pretty much 252 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.279 narrowed it down that she killed five people her husband's 253 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.600 step son, two women friends, and then the nurse in 254 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:53.759 the asylum where she was sentenced. So she was very 255 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:59.480 very different, very bizarre. And as far as the story 256 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:05.880 of very interesting story. 257 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:08.039 You include the Texas Servant Girl annihilator eighteen eighty four 258 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.920 in Austin, Texas and this city in a state of panic, 259 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.599 and the seven or more women were murdered apparently by 260 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.960 the serial killer using an axe or a knife. Tell 261 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.359 us a little bit more about this Texas Servant Girl. 262 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:34.279 Yeah, in most cases the women were African American, and 263 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.000 in many cases they were young. And what they were 264 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.279 was they were for better term, acting as live in maids, 265 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.880 live in cooks, and so forth, and some wealthy or 266 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:49.400 upper class white families. And this guy would come in 267 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:55.440 at night when everybody was asleep, and generally speaking killed 268 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:58.319 them in their bed with an axe. You would split 269 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:01.359 their skulls wide open, and the articles talk about how 270 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.319 the brains are all over the room and so forth. 271 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:09.720 But he would do this, and they believed eventually, and 272 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:14.920 all the other resorts said that he was probably an 273 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:20.279 African American man, but there weren't quite sure. And so 274 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.839 he went into This guy went into one room with 275 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:25.920 whether he was a copycat or not. And there were 276 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.799 two women in there, two white girls in the attack 277 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.519 them in the same way, who'd either cut their throats, 278 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:35.440 but generally an axe was used and he would go 279 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:37.759 for the head or go for the neck. A few 280 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:42.720 times bodies were taken outside of the bedroom where the 281 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:46.640 initial attack occurred. He would drag him off, maybe fifty 282 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:50.039 sixty hundred yards and then he would just go at 283 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.720 him with an axe or a knife and leave the body. 284 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:58.039 But he was never caught. They had suspicions. One time 285 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:02.359 they had a descript of a guy who did attack 286 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:08.960 these two girls who were both white, but once again 287 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.839 they never caught him and he took off. But the 288 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:17.160 Texas Servant Girl Annihilator was that's what they called name 289 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.720 in the newspaper articles, and that's what he did. He 290 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:24.559 just annihilated servant girls. And then there was question worried 291 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:28.039 because all of a sudden, the murders stopped and they 292 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:32.680 start happening in other locations, and they were very concerned 293 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:36.599 that this is the Texas Servant Girl Annihilator and he's 294 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:42.640 just relocated to another city, and it was reoccurring. Whether 295 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.839 that's true or not. Nobody knows at this time. It 296 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:48.759 may have been the same person and may have been 297 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.799 a copycat. They just don't know. But a very interesting 298 00:19:52.880 --> 00:20:00.759 story about a man who used an axe most cases 299 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:05.359 and just would brutally, brutally murder people in their bedroom. 300 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:13.640 You have a story of Anna Maria zwanziger And born 301 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:18.519 in seventeen sixty and beheaded September eighteen eleven for murder. 302 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:21.920 And this is she worked in several German homes as 303 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.519 a housekeeper and cook. What was her preference for people 304 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:27.680 she worked with and people she killed. 305 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.480 Her preference was generally she wanted to work for judges 306 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:37.079 and upper middle class people. And her favorite way of 307 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.039 taking out people was with poison. And so she would 308 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:45.640 poison people and they would get very ill and should 309 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:48.359 pretend that she's nursing them back to health and so forth. 310 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:52.519 A few times that worked, many times the person died. 311 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:57.519 And so they were able to check for various poisons 312 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.279 back then, their various corners around the world, and they 313 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:05.319 kept coming of Arsenic was a very favorite poison to 314 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.200 use them, and they would find it, and they eventually 315 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:14.200 convicted her, and as you said, she was executed, but 316 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:19.720 she just had a passion for using poison as opposed 317 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:23.640 to a knife or a gun or anything else. But 318 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:29.279 she was just a very very disturbed and very interesting woman. 319 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:35.759 Yes, absolutely, you have a story called the Nebraska Killer. 320 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:43.200 What's the most notable characteristic or thing about this killer 321 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:46.440 that you noted and you included in this? 322 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:55.279 He was very cold and calculating, and when he was arrested, 323 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:01.039 they were taking him by train back to Nebraska to 324 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:06.799 stand trial, and some reporters got on the train with them, 325 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:09.319 and as I said, they would just go ahead and 326 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:13.759 conduct interviews, and the police would say, hey, this is great, 327 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:17.920 go ahead and talk to the guy. And in most 328 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:21.960 cases these people would come out with a confession, say yeah, 329 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.119 I did this, I did that. But he ended up 330 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.920 killing six people that they know of and that they 331 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:30.440 prosecuted him for. He is only in his early twenties, 332 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:35.640 but he was extremely cool and collected when he was 333 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.079 talking to reporters. But the one thing he was really 334 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:42.920 interested in is that there was no spinning in these stories, 335 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:47.480 no spinning by the reporters, no embellishment, and no fake news. 336 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.400 He just wanted the facts to come out about him 337 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.759 what he did. And if you want to say his reasoning, 338 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.400 his reasoning for doing it. But he was just a 339 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:04.359 very very disturbed into visual once again, and he would 340 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:09.279 just matter of fact talk to the reporters, very slow, 341 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.519 very cunning. And one of the people that he killed 342 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:17.039 after he killed this family was a baby, and the 343 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:21.039 baby continued to cry, and so he just got mad 344 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.519 and he killed the baby. And they said, oh, basically, 345 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.640 why did you kill the babies? Well, it wouldn't shut up, 346 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:29.920 kept crying, and so he did that. Then he basically 347 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.400 dumped the bodies next to the house and cover them 348 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:39.079 up and took off. But a very cold calculated character. 349 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:46.160 And reading his interview from those reporters, it really gets 350 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:50.799 into his mind how he worked. And obviously he was 351 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:53.680 a serial killer at that stage. He murdered quite a few. 352 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.599 And then you just step back and you say, hey, 353 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.200 this is his logic, this is what he's saying. It 354 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:04.839 is very bizarre because you're in these stories. It's actually 355 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.400 that you're listening to him. You're sitting there as the 356 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.599 reporter listening to him talk about this and making his 357 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.279 confession and so forth, and you walk away from going 358 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:21.119 this guy was nuts and very deadly, and it just 359 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:26.160 it's kind of frightening to a lot of people people 360 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:26.839 like that today. 361 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:32.160 Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, especially because he wanted only the 362 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:35.759 truth to be had by these reporters, to document the truth. 363 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:40.200 And yet that's inconsistent with the barbarity of the crimes 364 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.920 that he did. You would think with someone where would 365 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:46.440 be questionable the crime somewhat and he would be worried 366 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.920 about the perception by the public. But it didn't make 367 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:54.319 sense his request that they'd be accurate, especially given the 368 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.640 again the brutality of these murders, you know, a baby 369 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:02.079 and with than iron in the face and crushing skulls. 370 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.960 Yes, and so when you step back and look said, 371 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:10.079 wait a minute, it's how is his brain working and 372 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.119 what is the logic behind this? Like a lot of 373 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:16.680 these serial killers, like Lizzie, she was insane, This guy, 374 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.559 you can say is insane, but like a lot of them, 375 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:24.079 he probably wasn't. And you just wonder, Okay, now he knows, 376 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.680 or he has to anticipate, he's going to be found guilty, 377 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:31.440 he's going to be executed. So why is he so 378 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:36.720 concerned about this at this stage and insistent that hey, 379 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:39.960 you print the facts, you know, not the nonsense, just 380 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:44.279 the facts, and so once again it takes you into 381 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:49.279 the mind of a killer and how they thought about 382 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:54.279 their situation at the time. And some of these people 383 00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:57.759 are like this guy. You wouldn't want to meet him 384 00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:02.000 on a dark night anywhere. You know. He's just like 385 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:06.400 the Texas Servant Girl, Nihilator and so forth. Very scary people, 386 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:10.680 very brutal, and very dangerous. 387 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.960 In this section, you still call serial killers. We've covered 388 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.039 this with an author in January, the Atlanta Ripper, but 389 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:24.279 it's worth mentioning again because the incredible nature of these crimes. 390 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.079 The Atlanta Ripper is named because there is some association 391 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.519 with Jack the Ripper. Tell us a little bit about 392 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:33.720 the incredible Atlanta Ripper. 393 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.640 Yeah, he was basically during the early nineteen it's about 394 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:46.039 nineteen ten, somewhere around in nineteen eleven. He would basically 395 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.920 work like Jack the Ripper did. He would work the 396 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.680 streets and a lot of times hit alleys, and he 397 00:26:53.680 --> 00:27:00.640 would attack women, not just prostitutes, but any woman walking 398 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.119 along of any age. It could be a mother, working 399 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.400 class woman. And all of his victims were black, and 400 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.920 basically he would attack them on deserted streets in very 401 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:16.319