Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
Speaker 1: weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
Speaker 1: the hell is going on. It's not enough to say
Speaker 1: it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.
Speaker 1: The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
Speaker 1: possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
Speaker 1: to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
Speaker 1: the forces that have been unleashed.
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Speaker 2: what are we capable of? Jonathan, Welcome back. How you doing?
Speaker 4: Awesome?
Speaker 3: Man. Excited to always excited to have a conversation with you,
Speaker 3: whether you're coming over to Meta Mysteries or the Cult
Speaker 3: of Conspiracy or whenever I get to go on to
Speaker 3: your show.
Speaker 4: So really excited about the topic today I am too.
Speaker 2: And this is right up my alley. We're going to
Speaker 2: be discussing a recent experience you had with DMT.
Speaker 4: Is that right, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3: It was back in October we went to We went
Speaker 3: to Brohemian.
Speaker 4: Gold Yeah, which is a yeah something set up by
Speaker 4: the Nephelin Squad. It was great, dude. It was out
Speaker 4: in Florida.
Speaker 3: It was really wild out there too, because they the
Speaker 3: venue was in this town where it was like an
Speaker 3: elderly swinging community and.
Speaker 4: Is going on interesting.
Speaker 3: They all ride around in these golf carts and somewhere
Speaker 3: in Florida and they have like, you know, certain giveaways
Speaker 3: as like.
Speaker 4: Are they in are they in the swinging community or not?
Speaker 2: Wow, that is crazy. Well right on, I'm very interested
Speaker 2: in hearing about this. And part of this experience was
Speaker 2: something that you call the void. And I've heard this
Speaker 2: before and the best I can describe it would be
Speaker 2: a spiritual vacuum of nothingness or emptiness. And my experience
Speaker 2: with something similar was a very peaceful experience. It was
Speaker 2: the precursor to my very first contact experience through meditation.
Speaker 2: But I'd love to hear your experience, get your interpretation
Speaker 2: on this. And you've been doing some deep dives since
Speaker 2: the event and you've been looking at the possibilities behind this,
Speaker 2: So tell us about it. Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually uh, it actually inspired me to start
Speaker 3: writing a book site as a matter of fact, just
Speaker 3: trying to dive into the philosophy and the mythology and
Speaker 3: the spiritual and the religious you know, view of what
Speaker 3: this void was that I was experiencing. And so a
Speaker 3: little TLDR about how I was able to get there.
Speaker 3: So I was at Brohemian Grove and a bunch of
Speaker 3: us were we we we were like basically passing around
Speaker 3: this DMT pipe right, and I had always wanted to
Speaker 3: try it.
Speaker 4: I was I've always.
Speaker 3: Been fascinated with the DMT realm and the you know,
Speaker 3: because you hear so many different stories about, well, this
Speaker 3: person experienced, you know, cosmic oneness, they experienced God, maybe
Speaker 3: they saw ancestors or whatever the case is is that
Speaker 3: they were able to experience something out of this world literally,
Speaker 3: and and so I've always really been fascinated by it,
Speaker 3: so I wanted to try it. I tried it the
Speaker 3: first time, and so we're all hanging out this night
Speaker 3: in this room.
Speaker 4: We were at an Airbnb.
Speaker 3: The I tried it the first time, and it was
Speaker 3: like the coolest thing I've ever experienced in my entire life.
Speaker 3: I hit it and it was awesome. Now I'm talking
Speaker 3: about an n DMT, but it was though.
Speaker 4: And N DMT.
Speaker 3: It's like the typical DMT what people talk about that
Speaker 3: it last for like two or three minutes, which is
Speaker 3: really weird because it'll last for like two or three
Speaker 3: minutes and you're shifted to this other world or realm
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, and then as soon as it
Speaker 3: wears off, you're back to reality. There's like no hangover
Speaker 3: there's no like tiredness. It's like it happened as if
Speaker 3: it never happened. And so it's it's pretty intense, and
Speaker 3: I actually enjoy that way more than mushrooms or I
Speaker 3: actually don't even want to try ayahuasca because I don't
Speaker 3: want to be there for hours. Like I'm okay with
Speaker 3: the two or three minute experience, but I can't imagine
Speaker 3: being there for ten to twelve hours, Like that's how
Speaker 3: people don't just lose their minds in there is beyond me.
Speaker 3: But anyhow, so I went and I tried it the
Speaker 3: first time. I was like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 3: so amazing. I was like shifted or blasted out into
Speaker 3: the UNI.
Speaker 2: Ask you how many hits or puffs did it take
Speaker 2: for you to experience that out of body that exit experience.
Speaker 3: For me, it was only one big hit and so
Speaker 3: I and I'm not really good with measurements or anything
Speaker 3: like that, but I know that there's a traditional amount
Speaker 3: that you hit it one good time and as you're
Speaker 3: breathing out, you're blasting off into this other reality. And
Speaker 3: it's not imaginative, like it's not just in my opinion,
Speaker 3: I don't think that it's just like a complex equation
Speaker 3: of whatever you thought about over the last couple of
Speaker 3: months or whatever. I think it's so much more than that,
Speaker 3: Like you're becoming aware of the entire reality, not just
Speaker 3: this physical reality, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: And so I tried it and I blasted off. It
Speaker 4: was awesome.
Speaker 3: I was shifted out into this universe and I saw
Speaker 3: what seemed to be like maybe like rings of Saturn
Speaker 3: or something like that, but it almost looked.
Speaker 4: Like a pool. It was like wavy, and it looks like.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it was just really strange, not how
Speaker 3: I always depicted it from the fake NASA pictures.
Speaker 4: So I was out there and what I.
Speaker 3: Noticed was is that there was this gold ball, and
Speaker 3: this gold ball had like all of this kind of
Speaker 3: like archaic writing on it. I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was Egyptian or Japanese or something like that, and it
Speaker 3: just seemed like so awesome. But it was far away
Speaker 3: in the distance, and I was like, I wonder what
Speaker 3: that thing feels like. For some reason, I just had
Speaker 3: the thought I wanted to feel it. And as I
Speaker 3: thought that, it appeared in my hand and I felt
Speaker 3: the weight of it in my hand, and I'm going
Speaker 3: over all the engravings, and.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what does this mean?
Speaker 3: And it was almost like the signs that you would
Speaker 3: see in the second Transformers movie with Shila buff and
Speaker 3: he's getting all these downloads and everything.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what it felt like.
Speaker 3: So but it didn't last very long, literally two minutes
Speaker 3: if that, and I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: really want to do it again whatever, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to last longer. So what I did was is that
Speaker 3: I actually doubled the preferred dosage and that is where
Speaker 3: I experienced the void. So I hit it again and
Speaker 3: the blast off was so amazing. It's the most amazing
Speaker 3: feeling that I've ever felt my entire life.
Speaker 4: It's complete euphoria.
Speaker 3: And I felt like I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it was so awesome and I'm blasting up. And the
Speaker 3: next thing I knew that it was it almost became
Speaker 3: too awesome, like it was too much for me to handle,
Speaker 3: like picture something that is so amazing that it's too amazing,
Speaker 3: and that's and so I started to lose grasp of
Speaker 3: my reality, and then I started to lose grasp of myself.
Speaker 3: Next thing, I know, I'm inside of this Bucky's bathroom.
Speaker 3: I just appear into this BUCkies gas station, hit right,
Speaker 3: and so I'm in there and I'm like peeing at
Speaker 3: a stall. I'm like, why am I seeing this? But
Speaker 3: it was strange because I wasn't aware of my reality
Speaker 3: that I had just left this physical reality. I wasn't
Speaker 3: aware of that. I was only aware of my existence
Speaker 3: in that Bucky's bathroom. And so I'm peeing at this
Speaker 3: stall and I started to see literally everything just my
Speaker 3: reality had a cheese grater laid on top of it,
Speaker 3: and everything shifted into these cubes, and all these cubes
Speaker 3: were spinning around and changing places, and literally my reality
Speaker 3: was like if Thanos just snapped his fingers and everything
Speaker 3: was starting to cease to exist, and then it did,
Speaker 3: and then there was nothing else.
Speaker 4: And I felt immense.
Speaker 3: What I felt was that I was the reason why
Speaker 3: this reality no longer existed. That I not only killed myself,
Speaker 3: but I deleted everything that I've.
Speaker 4: Ever experienced in my life, including.
Speaker 3: You, my kids, my wife, my parents, everybody was ceased
Speaker 3: to exist because I went here. And I felt just
Speaker 3: this immense amount of pressure and sadness and sorrow that
Speaker 3: I was the only thing that could ever exist I
Speaker 3: wasn't even a person anymore. I'm just out here in
Speaker 3: this blackness. I didn't have a form or anything. And
Speaker 3: it scared the ever living shit out of me, dude.
Speaker 3: And it was the worst chaotic nightmare of a trip
Speaker 3: that I've ever had in my life, so much to
Speaker 3: where I carried that burden for months after this experience,
Speaker 3: like that weird feeling of I just deleted this reality
Speaker 3: and the reality that I'm coming back to it can't
Speaker 3: be anything more than just a hologram of what the
Speaker 3: real thing originally was. Like, it really twisted my mind
Speaker 3: and it was like this, which is why I don't
Speaker 3: try and tell people to do it unless like you
Speaker 3: really really need to know.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, it was really sad. It was really lonely.
Speaker 3: And what I experienced was that I was the only
Speaker 3: thing that exists did and even I was starting to perish.
Speaker 3: And and so I've had a lot of time now
Speaker 3: to try and go into that, uh, that that experience
Speaker 3: and try and understand what it meant was I try
Speaker 3: was I being shown something? What was I experiencing what
Speaker 3: God experiences on a daily basis? If God is everything,
Speaker 3: then you know, and I go into the idea of like,
Speaker 3: is that why the Big Bang happened? Because all it,
Speaker 3: all it used to be, was just this tiny, little,
Speaker 3: lonely particle out there in the in the void of nothingness, right,
Speaker 3: And so you start to get like real like philosophical
Speaker 3: with it, and then you start to try and read
Speaker 3: about other people's experiences. Did anybody else ever experience this?
Speaker 3: And I tell you what, dude, it's I. I. At
Speaker 3: the end of that experience, I said I I wouldn't
Speaker 3: wish this on the devil. I don't want anybody to
Speaker 3: experience this. It was the most horrific thing that I've
Speaker 3: ever experienced. And now that I'm reading and learning about
Speaker 3: other people's experience with the void, it's actually brought me
Speaker 3: a little bit of comfort, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: Like just knowing that other people have experienced this. It
Speaker 3: is strange, but there's a certain degree of okay, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm not the only one to ever experienced that, Like
Speaker 3: every somebody or some other people have also experienced it too,
Speaker 3: And I don't know what it is, but it brings
Speaker 3: me happiness knowing that I wasn't the only.
Speaker 2: One, right, you know, And I want to explore this
Speaker 2: a little bit more. I want to go back to
Speaker 2: the Bucky's bathroom. When you realize you were in the bathroom,
Speaker 2: you said it was like the previous experience in your
Speaker 2: waking reality wasn't even you weren't even aware of that,
Speaker 2: and this was the reality you were in. Now, were
Speaker 2: you able to look around and see anything else beside
Speaker 2: you and the bathroom stall?
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually there was. There were other people in the bathroom.
Speaker 4: As real as reality, like so much.
Speaker 3: So that I forgot reality existed, Like I thought that
Speaker 3: this was reality. And so I'm looking around and I
Speaker 3: can sense other people behind me washing their hands, looking
Speaker 3: in the mirror.
Speaker 4: There's other urinal stalls or whatever that.
Speaker 3: Are, Like it's one of the biggest bathrooms that you
Speaker 3: could ever find in a gas station, and so it
Speaker 3: has like I think, like a hundred stalls or something
Speaker 3: crazy in there. And so I was able to see
Speaker 3: other people that were standing there until everything started to
Speaker 3: chop up. And so as soon as things started to dice,
Speaker 3: like my perspectives started to dice into tiny little cubes
Speaker 3: rather than just this continuous reality of whatever we regularly.
Speaker 4: Experience, those people just cease to exist.
Speaker 3: They went away, and I was the only one experiencing it.
Speaker 3: And then that's whenever the cubation started to happen, if
Speaker 3: that's a word, and then those tiny little cubes shifted,
Speaker 3: they started to transform into these little bits of dust
Speaker 3: and dust. I was really tripping out because I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, how am I ever going to piece
Speaker 3: all of this back together?
Speaker 4: You know, like that's that was my mind.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I don't even know what to do,
Speaker 3: and so that was you know, it was a horrific experience.
Speaker 3: But I'm very, very very thankful to have had it
Speaker 3: because it had shifted my life immensely.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy, like it's it's made me look at
Speaker 3: my wife in a different way, my kids in a
Speaker 3: different way, like make me like really, I just feel
Speaker 3: like blessed in situations where maybe I never really appreciated
Speaker 3: it as much before because I understood what the void
Speaker 3: was and it was devoid.
Speaker 4: Of all of this, you know, so very fascinating.
Speaker 3: But but I did want to get into like the
Speaker 3: d MT here for anybody that doesn't really know what
Speaker 3: the N N d mt what I'm talking about here,
Speaker 3: So it's a N N dimethyl trip to mean It's
Speaker 3: a powerful, naturally occurring psychedelic compound found in countless plants, animals,
Speaker 3: and even trace amounts in the human body. Structurally, it's
Speaker 3: part of the trip to Mean family, making it chemically
Speaker 3: similar to serotonin and other entheogens like psilocybin. DMT is
Speaker 3: most famous for producing incredibly intense, short lived experience experiences
Speaker 3: that often include vivid geometric visuals, contact with seemingly autonomous entities,
Speaker 3: and a sense of traveling through and beyond time and space.
Speaker 3: It's the main active ingredient in ayahuasca, a traditional Amazonian
Speaker 3: bruge used for spiritual inhaling ceremonies. When vaporized or smoked
Speaker 3: in its freebase form, which is how I was inhaling
Speaker 3: it and DMT hits the brain almost instantly and catapults
Speaker 3: the user into an altered state within seconds. The effects
Speaker 3: are usually so overwhelming and immersive that the outer world
Speaker 3: disappears completely. The peak may last anywhere between five and
Speaker 3: ten minutes.
Speaker 4: I experienced it.
Speaker 3: I think it was only like three or four minutes,
Speaker 3: but the user often reports experiencing what feels like hours
Speaker 3: or lifetimes. Common elements include intense visual fractals, the sense
Speaker 3: of breaking through a membrane or a veil in the
Speaker 3: presence of intelligent being sometimes described as a machine, elves, guides,
Speaker 3: or architects of reality. So that's a little bit about
Speaker 3: what I experienced. I never experienced another.
Speaker 4: Entity on DMT.
Speaker 3: It's it always felt like all of this was somehow.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say emanating from me necessarily, because.
Speaker 4: What are we? What am I? What are you?
Speaker 2: Like? Where?
Speaker 4: Where does this energy even come from?
Speaker 3: But it does feel like I was able to have
Speaker 3: the perception of possibly God. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: I am God or I'm not one of those like
Speaker 3: crazies that is like I am God, worship me.
Speaker 4: No, that's absolutely not it.
Speaker 3: But I was able to perceive reality, possibly from God's perception.
Speaker 3: I'm not entirely sure that that's what it was, but
Speaker 3: that's the best way I can put it into human work.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the time perception. Did you perceive time differently
Speaker 2: while you were having that experience? Did it seemed longer
Speaker 2: than three minutes?
Speaker 4: Like you said.
Speaker 3: The second one, Yes, the first one where it was
Speaker 3: awesome and I really enjoyed it so much that I
Speaker 3: wanted to do it again. That that felt like maybe
Speaker 3: two minutes. And so we actually recorded it both times,
Speaker 3: and it felt like two minutes, and it actually it
Speaker 3: lasted three minutes, but it only felt like a minute
Speaker 3: and a half or two minutes. So there was a
Speaker 3: little bit of distortion in time. Like I know, I
Speaker 3: may be split in hairs by saying that something was
Speaker 3: a minute and a half compared to the three minutes
Speaker 3: that's on video, But it felt so short that I
Speaker 3: could have counted it in a minute and a half,
Speaker 3: you know, whereas the other experience, the void experienced, it
Speaker 3: felt like it was it lasted an eternity, like it
Speaker 3: was outside of time, like I was trapped in a
Speaker 3: place that time doesn't exist, and therefore it seems it
Speaker 3: seemed like it lasted forever.
Speaker 4: And uh, conversely that it never had.
Speaker 2: You got the sense that you may be trapped out
Speaker 2: there forever for a little while, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And and I mean I literally thought that
Speaker 3: I just nuked the reality, like there was nothing else
Speaker 3: outside of me, and I was the reason why all
Speaker 3: of this, you know, came crashing down, and so, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's a strange experience. But what what I noticed
Speaker 3: or what I was trying to do. Was that I
Speaker 3: got this tiny little thought towards the end that like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, I need to bring it back.
Speaker 4: I need to bring reality back.
Speaker 3: And and I just got this thought of open your
Speaker 3: eyes and see that everybody's still here, because we had
Speaker 3: everybody you know, around us, and and and so I
Speaker 3: was trying to open my physical human eyes and and
Speaker 3: I whenever I opened my eyes, I saw that the
Speaker 3: room was completely silent and everybody was just staring at me.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: Like what I'm experiencing is what I want to believe,
Speaker 3: Like this is not even here, it's not real. And
Speaker 3: because everybody was like still motion, but to be fair,
Speaker 3: they were still motion even in reality observing what I
Speaker 3: was going through. So nobody was talking, nobody was sniffing
Speaker 3: or scratching or anything like that.
Speaker 4: It was complete still frame.
Speaker 3: But it fucked me up in the head because I
Speaker 3: thought that this was just.
Speaker 4: A still image of my memory.
Speaker 3: And so I kept on trying to like convince myself, no,
Speaker 3: that's reality, that's reality.
Speaker 4: You can go back there.
Speaker 3: And it's almost like I was birthing reality again by
Speaker 3: convincing myself that it did exist, and so after a while,
Speaker 3: I started to see people shift around, move their hands around,
Speaker 3: maybe crack some knuckles or whatever. And that's how I
Speaker 3: was able to pull myself back into this reality. And
Speaker 3: afterward I actually had what I like to describe as
Speaker 3: like the thousand miles scare that certain people like you
Speaker 3: come back from like a crazy war or something like that, right,
Speaker 3: and those you know, those people, they come back and
Speaker 3: they're not right.
Speaker 4: You know, they experienced something that was.
Speaker 3: Beyond like whatever could be deemed good, right, and so
Speaker 3: they come back and they're like, you know, they they're
Speaker 3: just lost, like it's and I and I felt that,
Speaker 3: you know, like I felt like and it was It
Speaker 3: was crazy that I felt that way even after seeing
Speaker 3: that reality was still existing, because it felt like I
Speaker 3: just went through this marathon of discovering that nothing existed
Speaker 3: until I opened my eyes to discover that everything actually
Speaker 3: did exist. So it, uh, it put me in a
Speaker 3: very deep depressed state for months after that, just trying
Speaker 3: to understand and convince myself that that was just that
Speaker 3: was just the void, you know, and you've you've heard
Speaker 3: it talked about by by countless other people, and so
Speaker 3: that was just a place. It's not all, you know,
Speaker 3: and so I was trying to convince myself of that.
Speaker 3: And but yeah, I mean, after after diving into what
Speaker 3: all of that means, you know, spiritually, esoterically, even I
Speaker 3: feel like I have a pretty good relationship with my uh,
Speaker 3: with my experience, my memory of the void.
Speaker 4: Now I've been able to somewhat shift that in a sense.
Speaker 2: So to the best of your ability, tell us where
Speaker 2: you're at now with this experience, what it really means
Speaker 2: to you now, and if you will ever attempt to
Speaker 2: go back again.
Speaker 3: I can I go back and forth with it, because
Speaker 3: I remember at the end of that I was like,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even want the worst person that I could
Speaker 3: imagine to ever experience that, And so that has kind
Speaker 3: of hindered me a little bit, just basically like trying
Speaker 3: to trying to understand what it meant, and you know,
Speaker 3: the fear of going back, you know how like whenever
Speaker 3: you're sleeping at night and you're having a really good dream,
Speaker 3: but then you wake.
Speaker 4: Up and you're like, oh, I want to go back
Speaker 4: to sleep.
Speaker 3: I need to get back to that really awesome dream, right,
Speaker 3: And the same thing kind of happens whenever you have
Speaker 3: a night back. But but the good dreams you never
Speaker 3: get to go back, right. It's always like, ah, that's
Speaker 3: lost and gone for or you're never gonna go back
Speaker 3: to that. But the nightmares, it's like you can have
Speaker 3: a nightmare, wake up and be like, I don't want
Speaker 3: to go back.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go back.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go back, and you're just right,
Speaker 3: You're right back there again, right, And so that's kind
Speaker 3: of one of my fears about going back there. But
Speaker 3: to be honest, now that I've experienced what the void
Speaker 3: actually is, I've been able to uh comprehend what it
Speaker 3: possibly means in my mind. I view the void a
Speaker 3: little bit differently now, and so maybe it wouldn't be
Speaker 3: so terrifying then the next time. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'm giving I'm gonna give it a little bit more time,
Speaker 3: maybe a few more years. I understand now why somebody
Speaker 3: will talk about their DMT trips or their ayahuasca trips,
Speaker 3: and they'll talk about how awesome it was, and then
Speaker 3: you ask them, are you ever gonna do it again?
Speaker 4: Nope? That was enough. That's all I need, you know, Let's.
Speaker 2: Get deeper into the possibilities surrounding this. First of all,
Speaker 2: I want to go back to the BUCkies thing for
Speaker 2: a second. When you were experiencing that, did you feel
Speaker 2: like it was a memory of something or a new experience.
Speaker 3: It felt as if it was happening in real time,
Speaker 3: so I didn't perceive it as a memory. However, on
Speaker 3: the way out to Brohemian Grove, where I was at
Speaker 3: in Florida, we did stop on that road trip, we
Speaker 3: did stop at a BUCkies, and it just so happened
Speaker 3: to be this trip was the exact place where I.
Speaker 4: Was in that Buckis' bathroom at that journal.
Speaker 3: So it did shift me back to seemingly a memory,
Speaker 3: But then that memory shifted into the voids, so it
Speaker 3: was like possibly pulling upon my memory maybe as a
Speaker 3: way to construct you know, well, you were here, this
Speaker 3: was your experience, and now it didn't seem foreign to
Speaker 3: me in that sense. So I think that it was
Speaker 3: probably helpful that it was depicted in that sense, because
Speaker 3: I imagine if I I was on some kind of
Speaker 3: space station that I've never been to, and then the
Speaker 3: cubing and everything started to cease to exist, I probably
Speaker 3: wouldn't care as much because I'd never actually been there before,
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I'm still trying to coagulate what
Speaker 3: all that means. But you know what's interesting is is
Speaker 3: that many other mythologies and religions also talk about the
Speaker 3: void in one way or another. So Mesopotamian mythology even
Speaker 3: like it goes dude, You've got Mesopotamian mythology, Egyptian mythology,
Speaker 3: Greek mythology, Norse, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Kabbalistic, Judaism, Gnosticism, Christian mysticism,
Speaker 3: Native American traditions, and even in Japanese Shinto.
Speaker 4: So literally all of these religions.
Speaker 3: Or philosophies or mythologies have all explained it in one
Speaker 3: way or another. Other people may know it as the abyss,
Speaker 3: you know, or maybe some buddy might call it Hell
Speaker 3: is that place? And to be honest, I think you know,
Speaker 3: the the original depiction of how we always envision Hell,
Speaker 3: you know, the devil being down there with a pitchfork
Speaker 3: and there's nothing but like weird sodomy acts going on
Speaker 3: and fire and it's just the worst thing.
Speaker 4: I would have rather experienced that than the void.
Speaker 3: Like that seems comforting because there are other things there
Speaker 3: like there's that's why I like, you know, whenever you
Speaker 3: go to jail or prison or something like that and
Speaker 3: you get put in solitary, that's the worst punishment that
Speaker 3: you can receive, you know, And I felt that that
Speaker 3: solitary is the worst place. So yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 3: it's that, or hell, you know, shovel pineapple out my
Speaker 3: ass and call the devil's bitch, because that's what I
Speaker 3: would rather experience.
Speaker 2: Well, this gets into some of the possible dangers when
Speaker 2: trying to delve into some of these experience. I have
Speaker 2: had very similar experiences, so much so that I would
Speaker 2: tell my wife, don't ever let me do mushrooms again, never,
Speaker 2: even if I'm begging, and then I'll do mushrooms again.
Speaker 4: But I have stopped.
Speaker 2: The last experience I had was the May fourth experience,
Speaker 2: which I came on and talked about, and that was
Speaker 2: that was pretty much my answer to most of what
Speaker 2: I was seeking. And I got the sense that I
Speaker 2: don't have to go back, and I really shouldn't be
Speaker 2: going back anymore, but who knows what the future holds.
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like that is calling me anymore.
Speaker 2: But as far as some of the dangers with this.
Speaker 2: It can lead to psychosis at times. Like you said,
Speaker 2: it took you months to reintegrate everything. And I've had
Speaker 2: these experiences where I would be so immersed and I
Speaker 2: took very high doses of psilocybin mushrooms, so much to
Speaker 2: where it would probably be just as strong as a
Speaker 2: DMT trip. I would have these sort of out of
Speaker 2: body experiences. But I have had those experiences where I
Speaker 2: felt like I was out of space and time, where
Speaker 2: I was terrified that I couldn't get back. It seemed
Speaker 2: like everything around me had stopped. I would even at
Speaker 2: times be able to walk around my house and it
Speaker 2: would seem like the people in my house were frozen,
Speaker 2: or my animals weren't moving, and I would get terrified that,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I froze reality. I'm never going to
Speaker 2: get back, and it seems like it's an eternity. And
Speaker 2: then when I come out of that experience, it's only
Speaker 2: been like, you know, ten minutes since I looked at
Speaker 2: the clock. The other thing is the possibility that we
Speaker 2: are accessing other layers of reality, but not only that,
Speaker 2: maybe different timelines. I've had those really found experiences where
Speaker 2: I come back and I'm worried I'm not in the
Speaker 2: same reality. I may have shifted into another version of myself,
Speaker 2: and I will play those things out because I'm so
Speaker 2: terrified of that. I'll look at the neighbor's dog and
Speaker 2: be like, that dog never barks like that, I'm definitely
Speaker 2: in a new reality, or just small changes around me
Speaker 2: that I kind of spin out because those experiences were
Speaker 2: so powerful, and if you've never experienced any of this,
Speaker 2: it's really hard to describe how real some of those
Speaker 2: experiences can be. When you come back from it, it
Speaker 2: does seem dream like, but some of the more powerful ones,
Speaker 2: like you said, it takes a long time to reintegrate everything.
Speaker 2: And you hear the experiences of people, mainly with DMT
Speaker 2: that go into different realities and it seems like they're
Speaker 2: there for years, like the guy who had the underwater
Speaker 2: family and when he came back he didn't remember how
Speaker 2: to breathe air, and he missed his his fish wife
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I've had so many people tell
Speaker 2: me stories like that that they're kind of terrifying. It
Speaker 2: makes you wonder what your consciousness is capable of just
Speaker 2: by taking some of these substances.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, dude, Like certain things that you experience in there,
Speaker 3: it seems more real than reality.
Speaker 4: And to be honest, even whenever I was in the void.
Speaker 3: You know, it feels like it's not necessarily like you're
Speaker 3: floating in this black space, right, It's not necessarily like
Speaker 3: there is the black space and then there's a caricature
Speaker 3: of you. It's almost as if you are the black space.
Speaker 3: Like you are, that's just eternal pit of nothingness. But
Speaker 3: what else you can get from that is it seems
Speaker 3: like ultimate anything is possible, like that point in which
Speaker 3: anything can, anything can spawn, anything can manifest you. I
Speaker 3: would I would actually have to imagine that, you know,
Speaker 3: if we are to believe the biblical story or any
Speaker 3: other religious story about how God created heaven and earth
Speaker 3: and the sun and the moon and people and animals
Speaker 3: and plants and all that kind of stuff, I would
Speaker 3: imagine that he was floating around in this black space.
Speaker 3: He was that black space and then thought it somehow
Speaker 3: into existence because and I don't even want to say
Speaker 3: just thought, because I think just saying thought it kind
Speaker 3: of dilutes what that means. I think that there is
Speaker 3: an eternal oneness with God. That God is kind of
Speaker 3: everything in a sense, and that's kind of what I
Speaker 3: what I experienced. I imagined that God was almost nothingness,
Speaker 3: that it was complete void, and then he thought everything
Speaker 3: and said it and spoken into existence however you want
Speaker 3: to look at it. I don't even know if I
Speaker 3: necessarily even like the term God. I kind of like
Speaker 3: the terms like the universe or the sores or something,
Speaker 3: because it almost seems like some kind of generator that
Speaker 3: is projecting.
Speaker 4: This entire reality.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I've I've heard plenty of different,
Speaker 3: you know, interpretations of that. One of my favorite people
Speaker 3: to interview is his name is Optimistic Banks, and he
Speaker 3: the way he describes reality is that everything is kind
Speaker 3: of a fractal of you and that you are everything.
Speaker 3: And I actually really like that interpretation for a moment,
Speaker 3: and then I was like, dude, if everything is me,
Speaker 3: that makes me even lonelier, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like what a sad, pathetic way of, you know, convincing
Speaker 3: myself that I have family and friends and it's just
Speaker 3: made up in my mind. So I don't even necessarily
Speaker 3: like that one, but I do. I do kind of
Speaker 3: believe it's somewhere along that kind of path there, although
Speaker 3: I do like the you know who Bishar is, the
Speaker 3: channeler guy or Gary Lonka, he channels Bashar, but he
Speaker 3: get He says that that basically life is meaningless until
Speaker 3: we give it meaning, and that we're always shifting. Literally
Speaker 3: every moment is you're you're shifting to another reality, another dimension.
Speaker 3: And so maybe this is why certain people experience the
Speaker 3: Mandela effect. And some people remember Nelson Mandela dying in jail,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole story.
Speaker 4: And so I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think that this reality is a lot crazier and
Speaker 3: a lot different than what we always thought it was.
Speaker 3: But I will say as far as the void goes,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of good things that can come from
Speaker 3: being in there.
Speaker 4: So you'll have like the ego dissolution.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, you you just saw literally everything dissolve,
Speaker 3: and so that everything was almost how you perceived everything,
Speaker 3: how you perceived everything just dissolved. And now it births
Speaker 3: a new version of you, like a rebirth. It's almost
Speaker 3: like the phoenix, right, So it's like a death simulation
Speaker 3: and a rebirth.
Speaker 4: It feels like you're dying.
Speaker 3: It feels like you're completely letting go of everything, but
Speaker 3: then you returned with this brand new perspective.
Speaker 4: It was almost like a baptism in a way.
Speaker 3: And it's really cool, dude, because you feel like afterward
Speaker 3: you feel a more intense connection to whatever infinity is,
Speaker 3: whatever the Source or God or whatever is that that
Speaker 3: I the great I am. It's like I am everything
Speaker 3: and nothing at the same time. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: there's there's a bunch of different interpretations of it, as
Speaker 3: I was saying, and I actually kind of wanted to
Speaker 3: touch on that as far as you know what what
Speaker 3: the just starting out with the mess of Botamian mythology,
Speaker 3: they they called it the primordial void in well in
Speaker 3: their language, I'm sure, but it converts to primordial void.
Speaker 3: So in the Numa Lish, the creation myth begins with
Speaker 3: opsu or fresh water, and then tiamot, which is saltwater,
Speaker 3: representing the chaotic waters before creation. This formless state is
Speaker 3: similar to a void. So you got the primordial void
Speaker 3: in Mesopotamian. Then you got the Egyptian mythology that talks
Speaker 3: about it and they call it the new or the noun,
Speaker 3: which is the primordial waters of chaos. Everything emerged from new,
Speaker 3: which is considered the void before the cosmos. The Greek
Speaker 3: mythology just calls it chaos, like that is the void
Speaker 3: is chaos.
Speaker 4: It's the first thing in Hesioid.
Speaker 3: I can never pronounce all these Greek names, but Hesioid
Speaker 3: he wrote something called the Chaos where he says chaos
Speaker 3: isn't just disorder, it's a yawning gap or a void
Speaker 3: from which all things arise, like gaya and eros and
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So a yawning gap.
Speaker 3: I thought that that was a pretty pretty cool way
Speaker 3: of looking at it. And then of course, like even
Speaker 3: maybe the biblical interpretation would be the resting on the
Speaker 3: seventh day where nothing's really going on.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe it's day zero.
Speaker 3: It's probably the most the most realistic place that you
Speaker 3: can get to, the void before day one of creation.
Speaker 3: But in Norse mythology they have what is called ganon
Speaker 3: ge gap. It's a weird word, but it's a vast
Speaker 3: primordial void between the icy realm of Neffelheim and the
Speaker 3: fiery realm of Muspolheim. If I'm not mistaking that creation
Speaker 3: begins when these two forces meet in the gap. So
Speaker 3: it's still a gap, right, this this gap of vast
Speaker 3: primordial nothingness, and so it's it's cool though, like how
Speaker 3: you're seeing it depicted across all these different religions and
Speaker 3: all these different mythologies, because it's it's it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: whenever you experience something on mushrooms or on DMT, you
Speaker 3: you assume that.
Speaker 4: You're the only one that's ever been there.
Speaker 3: You're the only one that's ever experienced it, if you're
Speaker 3: shifted to another plane or another dimension or something like that.
Speaker 4: But then you come out of it and you.
Speaker 3: Realize that all of these other mythologies have been talking
Speaker 3: about it for centuries, you know, And that's what's awesome
Speaker 3: about it, because what you were able to experience, you're
Speaker 3: not the only one to experience that, So it almost
Speaker 3: it makes it more valuable at that point to me
Speaker 3: knowing that it wasn't just my mind that made this up.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Now, I want to get deep into the possibilities of
Speaker 2: what is baseline reality if we are indeed experiencing it
Speaker 2: or if we are in layers removed. But before we
Speaker 2: get to that, is there anything else about your experience
Speaker 2: or the void that we didn't cover yet that you'd.
Speaker 4: Like to yeah. I mean I actually have a lot
Speaker 4: that I can really go on.
Speaker 3: You know, there's all these different theories as to what
Speaker 3: the Void could be, which are I like looking into them,
Speaker 3: not only just the spirituality and the mythology behind it,
Speaker 3: but the possible theories as to what that place is.
Speaker 3: Some people believe that the Void is part of a
Speaker 3: soul recycling system controlled by non human antigos. And this
Speaker 3: is where it gets strange. So have you had the
Speaker 3: privilege of talking to the guy who created the documentary
Speaker 3: called The Discovery.
Speaker 4: His name is Danny Goehler. No, I have not. I
Speaker 4: gott to hook you up with him. This guy is phenomenal.
Speaker 3: For anybody that's seen this trailer for this video, it's
Speaker 3: actually gonna be coming out later this year, but the
Speaker 3: trailer's out and people have been thrown it around on
Speaker 3: social media like crazy, and just like even Joe Rogan
Speaker 3: brought it up. He was like, holy shit, I can't
Speaker 3: believe you know, somebody has been able to document this.
Speaker 3: But basically, this guy, Danny Gohler, he was smoking DMT.
Speaker 3: I know what you're about to say, Yes, I have
Speaker 3: heard this. Yeah, he was smoking DMT and he came
Speaker 3: up with the idea to shine a laser and refract
Speaker 3: it off of some kind of glass or some kind
Speaker 3: of cup or something like that, and then the refracted
Speaker 3: laser beam that is coming from the cup that is
Speaker 3: now shining onto the wall. You can look at the laser,
Speaker 3: just get up like real close to it. You can
Speaker 3: look at the laser beam that's on the wall that's
Speaker 3: being reflected from the glass, and you can see what
Speaker 3: he describes as possible, like tiny gears, some kind of numbers.
Speaker 3: It seems to be like some kind of coating of
Speaker 3: this reality, almost like the matrix with all the ones
Speaker 3: and zeros, because he actually uses it with a with
Speaker 3: a red laser light. He says, you can do it
Speaker 3: with all the different colors, the greens or whatever. But
Speaker 3: the red, he thought, was it. I think red has
Speaker 3: this property to it that it's it's it's the exact
Speaker 3: opposite of green. So green is like exciting, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's very bright, whereas red. You know, even in like
Speaker 3: the military, that they'll use like the red infrared goggles
Speaker 3: because it shines a little bit less. But what's what's
Speaker 3: fascinating about the color red is that, yes, it doesn't
Speaker 3: give off such a shine, but it does allow you
Speaker 3: to perceive things farther because the red light bounces off
Speaker 3: of things that are even at a distance, way better
Speaker 3: than almost any color. So he was able to look
Speaker 3: at this, this laser light that was shining up against
Speaker 3: the wall and was able to see the coding of
Speaker 3: this reality.
Speaker 4: And he wanted to be able to see if he could.
Speaker 3: Keep on proving this, And he wanted to see if
Speaker 3: anybody else would be able to come up and be
Speaker 3: able to see the same thing that he's seeing, because
Speaker 3: if everybody can see what he's seeing, then it's not
Speaker 3: just in his mind that this could be the actual
Speaker 3: source code behind the makeup of this reality.
Speaker 2: He could recreate it and someone else could experience the
Speaker 2: exact same thing. It'd be like a scientific method to prove.
Speaker 3: This, yes, exactly, And this has been something that psychonauts
Speaker 3: all around the world have been trying to do forever.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you could like what you what you
Speaker 3: experience on certain psychedelics can be really awesome, very fascinating, whatever.
Speaker 3: But it's sad that you don't get to experience that
Speaker 3: with you know, your friend or your wife or whoever
Speaker 3: it is that you're you know, you're doing psychedelics with
Speaker 3: it's just like a personal you experience, and so you
Speaker 3: always have that thought of, oh, I wish they were here,
Speaker 3: I wish you.
Speaker 4: Could see this.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing a unicorn and it's rainbow and it's riding
Speaker 3: on a whatever, right, like whatever you experience. So he
Speaker 3: was able to basically keep on proving that, and so
Speaker 3: he wrote a doctor. Yeah, he wrote a documentary and
Speaker 3: it's going to be coming out here soon. Fascinating guy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that this reality, it probably is
Speaker 3: some sort of illusion. Maybe it's from us, Maybe it
Speaker 3: is some kind of soul trap theory. But the idea
Speaker 3: behind the soul trap theories that after death or even
Speaker 3: the ego death on DMT, you're pulled into the void.
Speaker 3: It says, uh, it's not a liberation, it's a trap
Speaker 3: false light beings or a life reviewed trick you into reincarnating,
Speaker 3: and the void is a buffer zone before your consciousness
Speaker 3: is funneled back into the matrix. So this is the
Speaker 3: the idea behind like the archons and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: The void is the holding tank for souls before they
Speaker 3: get mind why and sent back to Earth.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's I don't want to believe that
Speaker 3: the anonak uh, you know, en Lo and Ankee are
Speaker 3: just using us here and on this prison planet. That's
Speaker 3: not really my vibe.
Speaker 4: But maybe it's possible. The whole soul trap theory.
Speaker 3: Then there's the possible well, is this a AI or
Speaker 3: a simulation type control system? So it says the void
Speaker 3: is a is the back end of a simulated universe,
Speaker 3: and we're not supposed to go there.
Speaker 4: D MT.
Speaker 3: Lets you accidentally hack into this forbidden layer. The Black
Speaker 3: Void is where AI or non human overseers monitor the simulation,
Speaker 3: and some people report encounters with sentinels or watchers when
Speaker 3: they stay too long in the void. Maybe that's possible.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is some kind of AI control system in
Speaker 3: that sense. But the problem is is that these are
Speaker 3: all fear based, you know, and I don't always sense
Speaker 3: only fear whenever I'm in that realm. Yes, I did
Speaker 3: experience it once or twice, but that's not the all
Speaker 3: of it. If it was such a terrible, you know,
Speaker 3: prison place where we're at, or even what we were
Speaker 3: able to experience, it would never be good. You wouldn't
Speaker 3: even know what good meant. I would think. So. Then
Speaker 3: there's the the galactic prison theory, which is that Earth
Speaker 3: is a sole prison and the void is the prison's
Speaker 3: control room or purgatory. The void is what you see
Speaker 3: between lifetimes. It's part of the soul containment system. And
Speaker 3: some say it's actually connected to Saturn and the Moon
Speaker 3: as mechanisms for trapping consciousness. I've heard that one don't
Speaker 3: go into the light. It's actually the moon and it's
Speaker 3: a negative evil force that you know is just going
Speaker 3: to trick you into coming back into this reality so
Speaker 3: that you can keep on powering up the machine, because
Speaker 3: all of your emotions is what these bigger entities thrive
Speaker 3: on or something, right like, I think that it's just
Speaker 3: more than that.
Speaker 4: I understand how people might think this, though.
Speaker 3: Some people like to bring up the that it could
Speaker 3: be the demiurge firewall, So the idea that God is
Speaker 3: actually a demiurge. Maybe, so the void is a firewall
Speaker 3: built by the Demiurge to keep you from reaching the
Speaker 3: true source. You think you've reached truth in quotes when
Speaker 3: you hit the void, but it's actually just the final illusion.
Speaker 3: Only by piercing the void with deep mystical experience or
Speaker 3: extreme consciousness training, can you reach the divine realm? It's
Speaker 3: a spiritual decoy meant to stop you from going farther.
Speaker 3: So the void would be a black mirror that the
Speaker 3: demiurge holds up to you to stop you from seeing God.
Speaker 4: That's possible.
Speaker 3: Maybe then, of course, you know, people like to get
Speaker 3: into CERN and portals and artificial voids and SURN opening
Speaker 3: up black holes.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Some theorists believe that particle accelerators like CERN are attempting
Speaker 3: to access or artificially open the void. And it's not
Speaker 3: that crazy because you know, whenever CERN first fired it up,
Speaker 3: is whenever people started documenting Mandela effects, and this week,
Speaker 3: this this this life started to get a little bit
Speaker 3: more dream like, at least from my perspective, Like I
Speaker 3: feel like it wasn't it's not so, it's not so stiff,
Speaker 3: it's not so material anymore. That it almost like like
Speaker 3: the idea of manifestation becomes easier to swallow in this
Speaker 3: new reality after CERN tried to basically have us swallowed
Speaker 3: up into into a black hole. Which I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've seen these documents about how even uh they're
Speaker 3: they're saying or some scientists actually believe that, you know,
Speaker 3: Earth could be inside of a black hole.
Speaker 4: So maybe that's why this reality is so freaking weird.
Speaker 2: Who knows, dude, they're there are so many possibilities. I
Speaker 2: don't believe we're ready, not yet. I don't know if
Speaker 2: we ever will be. I believe that there's some mysteries
Speaker 2: that humans are not meant to understand. I agree with you, man,
Speaker 2: I think that's too dark of a perspective. I think
Speaker 2: even the worst of the experiences here are meant for
Speaker 2: us to learn and grow from spiritually, that there is
Speaker 2: something beyond this. But I can definitely see why people
Speaker 2: would lean towards the prison planet theory. The things that
Speaker 2: keep us and keep our consciousness in a box in
Speaker 2: this reality are very oppressive, and we're subjected to that
Speaker 2: from the time we're born. There are also things that
Speaker 2: seem to go against our free will that occur in
Speaker 2: this reality. There are people who from a very young
Speaker 2: age experience very invasive, horrifying experiences, whether it's through MK
Speaker 2: ultra or alien abductions, or just being born in the
Speaker 2: wrong place, wrong time. They seem to not have the
Speaker 2: same chance as other people, and this brings the question.
Speaker 2: Is our free will being infringed upon in some ways?
Speaker 2: You look at all of our systems of governance, you
Speaker 2: look at the matrix as a whole. Everything we are
Speaker 2: subjected to has a level of toxicity that prevents us
Speaker 2: from reaching our true potential.
Speaker 4: And if you look at.
Speaker 2: All of that as a whole, it does seem like
Speaker 2: we are being held captive. At least on a certain level,
Speaker 2: our consciousness is being suppressed. Is that part of the
Speaker 2: overall game. Is this experience the level where we have
Speaker 2: to overcome that and get past it?
Speaker 4: Is there a way?
Speaker 2: To Many people look at the system as it is now,
Speaker 2: and it seems to be just getting bigger and more
Speaker 2: all encompassing, and we seem to be in a simulation
Speaker 2: within a simulation within a simulation. That's why I brought
Speaker 2: up baseline reality earlier. Many of the nerd dork Silicone
Speaker 2: Valley tech guys believe that it's impossible that we're in
Speaker 2: baseline reality. I don't know, but I know that with
Speaker 2: the rising awareness that is coming over the entire planet,
Speaker 2: it's going to be impossible for us to keep going
Speaker 2: the way we have been. And there are incredible discoveries
Speaker 2: I'm sure you heard about the pyramid thing. These structures
Speaker 2: underneath the Giza Pyramid that were found that could be
Speaker 2: just that could be a huge game changer as as
Speaker 2: well as what we're seeing unfolding with the global consciousness
Speaker 2: in general, the awareness. I have seen some I guess
Speaker 2: you could say regression lately as it relates to this
Speaker 2: new administration and some of the hopium that's going around.
Speaker 2: But overall, I do see some amazing changes and things
Speaker 2: that I never thought i'd see in my lifetime unfolding.
Speaker 2: And it does seem dream like, and it makes me
Speaker 2: wonder if during one of those profound psychedelic experiences that
Speaker 2: I had, that I was sucked into a different reality.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and like I said, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if we're supposed to know. But there is this oppressive system.
Speaker 2: There is this layer of reality that's a false layer
Speaker 2: that continues to build upon itself, and I believe it's
Speaker 2: up to us to check out of that and get
Speaker 2: back to as natural of a state as possible for
Speaker 2: us to even become aware if this is base on reality,
Speaker 2: if there's a way out, if there's another layer, there's
Speaker 2: always more questions and answers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And to be honest, I know that that is.
Speaker 4: Something that a lot of people wonder.
Speaker 3: Is this baseline reality if there are multiple dimensions and
Speaker 3: multiple different timelines. I don't even know if it. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure that there is such thing as baseline reality.
Speaker 3: This is where I've gotten to I think that no
Speaker 3: matter where you are, that's where reality is, Like where
Speaker 3: your awareness is, that's where reality is in a sense.
Speaker 3: And you know, I find it fascinating about how certain
Speaker 3: governments and even certain religions have been creating systems to
Speaker 3: invoke fear and as a way to be able to
Speaker 3: garner as much control as possible. And we've heard the
Speaker 3: theories about how maybe the certain governments and technologies are
Speaker 3: years ahead in their envancement in technology and understanding about
Speaker 3: how to control people because they are doing a fascinating
Speaker 3: job of it. I think that a lot of people
Speaker 3: are waking up from it, especially with all the COVID
Speaker 3: nonsense and everything else. But you know the fact that
Speaker 3: there are some people waking up from what the from
Speaker 3: what you could say was the simulation, everybody was seemingly hypnotized,
Speaker 3: you know, believing mainstream news sources and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But now I think with the birth of the Internet
Speaker 3: and all these social media platforms, people are getting together
Speaker 3: and trying to break down what this reality is. But
Speaker 3: the whole Egyptian thing really threw a bone into the machine.
Speaker 3: Because if we are to believe that that certain governments
Speaker 3: of the world are decades ahead of us in their
Speaker 3: technological advancement, I think that the Pyramids now prove that,
Speaker 3: and I think that it's much much. I think there's
Speaker 3: so much more ahead that thirty or forty years isn't enough.
Speaker 3: We could be talking about a power that is so powerful,
Speaker 3: that has thousands of years of technology ahead of us
Speaker 3: in a sense. So looking at the Pyramids, you can
Speaker 3: see that maybe it was some kind of free generator,
Speaker 3: like a free energy generator of sorts. And that's what's
Speaker 3: crazy is that it seemed very technological for the time.
Speaker 3: You know, it does this birth the the credence even
Speaker 3: behind Atlantis or new or any of these other ancient
Speaker 3: civilizations who had certain technologies who were able to provide
Speaker 3: for the world in some type of way. Now, if
Speaker 3: you get an evil man, or an evil government or
Speaker 3: an evil religion that wants to be able to take
Speaker 3: all that information and almost reverse engineer it in a
Speaker 3: way to be able to control the masses and prevent
Speaker 3: them from ascending, so that you always have some kind
Speaker 3: of crazy prison planet where everybody's always in fear, and
Speaker 3: maybe the demiurge is out there just like being powered
Speaker 3: up by all the fear. It definitely seems like that,
Speaker 3: you know, I think that, you know, to be honest,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a big fan of looking into UFOs and
Speaker 3: all the orbs and all that stuff. But now that
Speaker 3: I've seen this, this Egyptian thing, it makes me wonder
Speaker 3: just how far back the the powers that be, how
Speaker 3: far back there their understanding of this reality is, and
Speaker 3: how how much more technology that they have that.
Speaker 4: Is that we're completely oblivious to. That's what I want.
Speaker 3: I want to know, like, do they know what we're
Speaker 3: doing here, do they know why we're here? Do they
Speaker 3: know where we're going?
Speaker 4: Or you know it?
Speaker 3: Because I think that the majority of the world, not
Speaker 3: the majority, I think that there's a large percentage of
Speaker 3: the world that doesn't even believe in reincarnation. They don't
Speaker 3: believe that you can come back and exist in another
Speaker 3: realm or something like that.
Speaker 4: And I'm not here to push anybody's belief on that.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm of the opinion that you'll come across that
Speaker 3: information whenever it's your time, and maybe it never will
Speaker 3: be your time, and maybe your belief system is enough
Speaker 3: to get you through this reality. No judgment whatsoever, But
Speaker 3: I think that the powers that be absolutely know what
Speaker 3: we're doing here.
Speaker 4: And I used to think that David Ike was kind
Speaker 4: of crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think he's that crazy anymore, that there
Speaker 3: could be some kind of reptilian overlords that are really
Speaker 3: pulling all the strings, because you see how brilliant the
Speaker 3: plan is for control.
Speaker 4: You see how amazingly brilliant it is.
Speaker 3: But the great thing is is that there are certain
Speaker 3: things like psychedelics, like meditation, like certain spiritual practices that
Speaker 3: help you look at this reality, shake it up a
Speaker 3: little bit, see it exactly for what it is, and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, these are just people, and these people
Speaker 3: just want power, and it compartmentalizes it in a way
Speaker 3: for you to be able to not fall victim to
Speaker 3: their hypnosis.
Speaker 4: And that was probably the most powerful thing.
Speaker 3: One of the most powerful things that I got from
Speaker 3: the whole void situation was that I saw what nothingness
Speaker 3: was and it sucks way more than what we got
Speaker 3: going on here. But it also allowed me to try
Speaker 3: and get into the minds of well, the powers that
Speaker 3: be or whoever they are, the elites, the.
Speaker 4: Illuminati, whatever.
Speaker 3: Maybe they've had this information that I just discovered with
Speaker 3: the void for the longest time and have been using
Speaker 3: it to their advantage in one way or another. I mean,
Speaker 3: anything's really possible.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I don't like to live in
Speaker 4: a state of fear.
Speaker 3: I don't even do like they always say, don't go
Speaker 3: to sleep if you know, if you and your wife
Speaker 3: are mad at each other, kiss my wife every night.
Speaker 3: I understand exactly what that's all about. We don't even
Speaker 3: hardly ever eat out anymore because I know that all
Speaker 3: those people were you know, they're.
Speaker 4: Just working for an hourly wage.
Speaker 3: They're not necessarily focused on sending love and joy into
Speaker 3: the food that they're putting hands on, right like, And
Speaker 3: so it makes you learn how to caress the goodness
Speaker 3: of this reality and attach yourself to it a little
Speaker 3: bit more and understand why you should be more love
Speaker 3: involved and not so fear.
Speaker 2: Induce the knowledge level for some of these secretive groups.
Speaker 2: The blackest areas of the military industrial complex, the secret societies,
Speaker 2: the parasitic ruling class has to have knowledge beyond your
Speaker 2: average drew, beyond even you and me, beyond most people
Speaker 2: on this planet about how a lot of this stuff works.
Speaker 2: They may not know everything, but they probably know enough
Speaker 2: to weaponize and manipulate it. And that is the result
Speaker 2: of what we're seeing right now. What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on how everything is unfolding?
Speaker 4: Where the collective is.
Speaker 2: That what could be really behind the new administration an
Speaker 2: overall view of how everything's going.
Speaker 3: So I think that it's it's unwise to put your
Speaker 3: entire faith into any political any political arm whatsoever. Now
Speaker 3: I voted for Trump three times. I'll vote for him again.
Speaker 3: I mean even I don't care if it's unconstitutional. I
Speaker 3: like the way that this country's starting to shape up
Speaker 3: into personally, you know, with all of the doge things.
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're going to fund five million
Speaker 3: dollars to see how well a squirrel hangs onto a
Speaker 3: tree whenever you're trying to blow it off with a
Speaker 3: leaf blower or a lizard, or you know, documenting transgender
Speaker 3: dogs and seeing their behavior. I don't I don't think
Speaker 3: that money should be going to these things, and I
Speaker 3: think that it's amazing thing what DOJE has going on?
Speaker 4: However, I do love all of that.
Speaker 3: However, I'm looking at it with the third eye all
Speaker 3: the way open, trying to understand. All right, if this
Speaker 3: was evil, what would they be doing? And I think
Speaker 3: you would. You would come in almost as a savior,
Speaker 3: and you would get rid of all the things that
Speaker 3: everybody can collectively agree on we shouldn't be sending money
Speaker 3: to all these different experiments and stuff like that, or
Speaker 3: or sending it to certain schools to be able to
Speaker 3: teach them DEI I think that we can all collectively
Speaker 3: get in line and say it's a good thing what
Speaker 3: he's doing.
Speaker 4: So, if you were evil, you would do a.
Speaker 3: Lot of things that the majority of people would agree
Speaker 3: disposing of would be a good thing. You would bring
Speaker 3: on people like Taulca Gabbard, You would bring on people
Speaker 3: like RFK because these are likable characters. We you know,
Speaker 3: we resonate with them to a certain point. However, you
Speaker 3: start to look into some of the backstories. You know,
Speaker 3: Donnie t was boys with Epstein, RFK was flying on
Speaker 3: the Lolita Express. He even came out and told everybody
Speaker 3: he goes Now, I don't believe that they were involved
Speaker 3: in some kind of child trafficking thing because RFK kind
Speaker 3: of got out in front of it.
Speaker 4: Then you got Tulci Gabbert. She seems awesome.
Speaker 3: You know, she's a veteran, she's from Hawaii, she's a
Speaker 3: very strong, ambitious woman.
Speaker 4: But then you look into well, she was actually in
Speaker 4: the the what was it.
Speaker 3: At the World Economic Forum for the the next young
Speaker 3: generation to be able to take care of take take
Speaker 3: over the world in some kind of way. I can't
Speaker 3: remember exactly what it was called. But you know, I
Speaker 3: think that you should be looking at it with a
Speaker 3: squinted with a squinted eye, because they are getting rid
Speaker 3: of a lot of great things, or they are getting
Speaker 3: rid of a lot of horrible things. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, doesn't that open up the door for something
Speaker 3: brand new to come in? And we don't exactly know
Speaker 3: where all this money's going to be going now, Like
Speaker 3: all right, good, you know you got rid of funding
Speaker 3: these horrible things, but what are you going to do
Speaker 3: with that money?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: What is going to be the new the phoenix that
Speaker 3: is rising from those ashes? And we haven't necessarily seen
Speaker 3: that yet, because the old guard is still being torn down,
Speaker 3: I think that it's possible that we should have been
Speaker 3: a little bit more careful about what we were wishing
Speaker 3: for and what could potentially evillly come from this is
Speaker 3: something that is a lot more controlling in some kind
Speaker 3: of way. I'm not of that belief. I'm just knowing
Speaker 3: that that is a possibility that what we could be,
Speaker 3: what we could have spawned, is something way worse than
Speaker 3: what we had before as far as control systems go
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Personally, I don't believe that that's
Speaker 3: what happening, but it remains to be a song.
Speaker 2: Well. I swing on a less optimistic node when it
Speaker 2: comes to this, and I'm a very optimistic person. I
Speaker 2: try to look at the best in every situation, but
Speaker 2: I'm also realistic. I have no emotional attachment to politics.
Speaker 2: I haven't for a very long time, and I'm able
Speaker 2: to step back and look at all sides of things
Speaker 2: very objectively. And I hope I am wrong about this,
Speaker 2: but I always have to question, why would they be
Speaker 2: doing something beneficial for humanity? Have they ever? Who is
Speaker 2: Donald Trump? Who has he always displayed himself to be
Speaker 2: well now he's displaying himself to be an America loving
Speaker 2: Christian who has the best interest of the country in mind.
Speaker 2: This man is a blaspheming, gold idol worshiping mobster basically.
Speaker 2: And I get the appeal of everything that is happening.
Speaker 2: I enjoy a lot of the things that are happening.
Speaker 2: I will take it. I will praise the good things
Speaker 2: that are happening. But I also see what the left
Speaker 2: hand is doing. I believe that what we're seeing is
Speaker 2: a sleight of hand, and we're they're going to roll
Speaker 2: out the technocratic nightmare that everyone is afraid of being
Speaker 2: policed by AI. I believe they're getting rid of all
Speaker 2: these old systems because they're going to replace intelligence with AI,
Speaker 2: the intelligence agencies, all of our corporate big systems, all
Speaker 2: the computer systems, our social media, everything is going to
Speaker 2: be run and governed by AI. That's worth why they're
Speaker 2: bringing in these technocratic nerd dorks, the PayPal mafia. Elon Musk.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 2: I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like this is
Speaker 2: where everything is moving to as well as I cannot
Speaker 2: get behind these relationships with genocidal maniacs in Israel. So
Speaker 2: there's many things that I look at, and I've never,
Speaker 2: at least not in the past couple of decades, been
Speaker 2: involved in politics. I also see that there's some strange
Speaker 2: occult symbolism behind Donald Trump and some of the things
Speaker 2: that are occurring. I try not to get too woo
Speaker 2: woo with it, but there I've had some great guests
Speaker 2: on pointing out some of the synchronistic events and ritualistic
Speaker 2: things that have unfolded surrounding the administration. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: sit back and see how everything goes. I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: the good and hope that the bad doesn't get too bad.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I agree. I'm kind of looking at
Speaker 3: it from that angle. I'm not like one hundred percent
Speaker 3: dialed in the Donnie T's some kind of savior or
Speaker 3: anything like that. Like just the fact that he is
Speaker 3: aligning himself pretty pretty like heavily with Russia and with Israel.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's strategic, maybe he's doing it for a
Speaker 3: good way, it remains to be seen. But whenever you
Speaker 3: got certain sets in Israel that are literally making him
Speaker 3: to be like this Messiah character, you know, and then
Speaker 3: he goes and he goes, I am the josen One,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, if I don't know about that, like,
Speaker 3: what are we talking about bringing on the Eskaton? And
Speaker 3: this is what I've I've kind of been speculating here
Speaker 3: for a little while that you know these if you
Speaker 3: have the blueprint about how life is supposed to unfold
Speaker 3: and the series of events that need to happen in
Speaker 3: order to bring on the.
Speaker 4: Satan or to walk over here on our.
Speaker 3: Screen, you know, the little season, Yeah, exactly to bring
Speaker 3: about the Antichrist, you would follow through, like you would
Speaker 3: follow through the game plan and use it in some
Speaker 3: kind of way in an escton type of situation if
Speaker 3: you're trying to have absolute control. So if they were
Speaker 3: to usher in Donald Trump, and think about it, he's
Speaker 3: doing all these amazing things. Everybody can kind of get
Speaker 3: on board. Even if you're anti Trump. You can look
Speaker 3: at some of the things and be like, well, I'm
Speaker 3: I think that that should be gotten rid of right,
Speaker 3: and like you're not going to one hundred percent disagree
Speaker 3: with every single thing that one person does, Like that's
Speaker 3: just statistically wrong. It's never going to happen. It's it's
Speaker 3: possible that we could be witnessing their version of trying
Speaker 3: to bring about the end times. I think that they're
Speaker 3: going to be wrong. I don't think that you know,
Speaker 3: just because you build a third temple and you murder
Speaker 3: a bunch of red heifers, and then you know, you
Speaker 3: bring on possibly Donald Trump as the Messiah, who actually
Speaker 3: is the Antichrist, is going to bring about the end
Speaker 3: of the world and all the end times. I think
Speaker 3: it's all just some form of control. And if you
Speaker 3: dive into believing this, then could that not be the
Speaker 3: newest way to hypnotize the masses. Since they already lost
Speaker 3: so much control with their hypnosis, they had to almost
Speaker 3: amp up their game, and so this master plan could
Speaker 3: be that this could be another way of roping everybody
Speaker 3: back into believing that you're under the control system. And
Speaker 3: I just especially after going through the Void and certain
Speaker 3: psychedelic experiences, I don't think that time will ever cease
Speaker 3: to exist. I don't think that that life will ever
Speaker 3: cease to exist. I think that it is eternal. There
Speaker 3: is no way of deleting it. Because I witnessed deleting
Speaker 3: it and it came back. I'm here, and you know,
Speaker 3: I was in that abyss. I was in that void
Speaker 3: and I'm back, and I can tell you a little
Speaker 3: bit about how dark and gloomy it is and everything
Speaker 3: in there, But I will tell you that ever since
Speaker 3: that happened, I'm not scared of shit anymore, dude, Like,
Speaker 3: there's nothing that can scare me more than myself at
Speaker 3: this point, you know what I mean, Like, all right,
Speaker 3: you're gonna you're gonna perform all these sacrifices. You're gonna
Speaker 3: bring on the Antichrist. Oh Antichrist, All right, here we go.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like you you have to believe it.
Speaker 3: They need your belief. And if your if your belief,
Speaker 3: that energetic belief that you're applying to whatever narrative that
Speaker 3: that they're trying to bring into this reality, if that
Speaker 3: energetic belief is attached to fear, that is ultimately their
Speaker 3: form of manifestation. It is fear like and and it's dark,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's it's everything is a vibration
Speaker 3: and a frequency, you know, like and and so if
Speaker 3: you're having something that is fueled by fear, well you
Speaker 3: can always just transmutate that, Like that's talked about within
Speaker 3: witchcraft and magic and all these things talking about transmutation
Speaker 3: that you can essentially take a feeling of whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Let's say, for example, I'm definitely afraid of snakes, right like,
Speaker 3: I hate the fucking things to give me the hebgb's.
Speaker 3: They scare the shit out of me. I want nothing
Speaker 3: to do with that. If I was to somehow go
Speaker 3: internal and speculate from the inside and go into a
Speaker 3: meditation or however you get there, and I was to
Speaker 3: basically redefine what a snake means to me, that would
Speaker 3: be called transmutation. And so they say that you're never
Speaker 3: gonna be able to change the world until you change yourself.
Speaker 3: That's exactly how you change the world is by changing
Speaker 3: yourself because your perspective is this reality, right like, that's there.
Speaker 3: So whenever people start talking about base reality, I'm like,
Speaker 3: there can't be a base reality.
Speaker 4: It's not possible. Like literally, our eyes are.
Speaker 3: Decoding this, this whole entire realm, Like what we see
Speaker 3: is actually not what it is. It's just our eyes
Speaker 3: are these sensors that are building this place up in
Speaker 3: the in the first place.
Speaker 4: So I think it's it's very deep.
Speaker 3: This is why you're gonna have certain secrets societies and
Speaker 3: certain covens and you know what I mean, Like, it's
Speaker 3: there's a lot, it's it's almost too much for one
Speaker 3: person to be able to completely grasp. But looking at
Speaker 3: it from the outside view, I think, you know, don't
Speaker 3: don't believe in it, don't don't allow yourself to become
Speaker 3: fear ridden, and uh, this reality can be pretty awesome
Speaker 3: and then you can start to manifest.
Speaker 4: And do all these amazing things. Like I believe in
Speaker 4: all of that.
Speaker 3: Like I've learned that this life is a lot more
Speaker 3: malleable than we've always been led on to believe.
Speaker 4: That it's not so stiff.
Speaker 3: It's and I don't know, maybe it's I don't think
Speaker 3: that we're ever gonna get like Matilda powers. That would
Speaker 3: be awesome, But you know, I think that they're that
Speaker 3: manifestation is absolutely real, and it involves you going inward,
Speaker 3: and that's where that's where reality is. It's inward. It's
Speaker 3: just this is the outward projection of it. But the
Speaker 3: real reality is within you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Man, I think that is the direction that we need
Speaker 2: to be looking when it comes to understanding the nature
Speaker 2: of this reality. Looking within and the inner work that
Speaker 2: one individual does can change the entire planet, like you
Speaker 2: say it, so I love this stuff. This was great.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jonathan. Before we go, remind everyone
Speaker 2: how they can find all your content, all your shows.
Speaker 2: You're a hard working man.
Speaker 4: What you got going on?
Speaker 3: Well, uh, most people may know me as a co
Speaker 3: host on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast. We literally we
Speaker 3: do five shows a week, and we also have a
Speaker 3: bunch of other conspiracy podcasters that come on. We're trying
Speaker 3: to create this network over there, and so we have
Speaker 3: the Cosmic Peach, Josh Monday, Strange Brew, along with Jacob's
Speaker 3: side project which is called The Cajun Night, my other
Speaker 3: podcast which is called Meta Mysteries, and it's basically trying
Speaker 3: to just be a channel. You know, whenever you go
Speaker 3: on to ESPN, you're not always only watching you know,
Speaker 3: NFL Countdown, Like they have a bunch of other things.
Speaker 3: They have Sports Center and First Take and all these
Speaker 3: other things, and that's kind of what we're trying to
Speaker 3: turn this whole thing into, basically a channel. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely come check us out at the Cult of Conspiracy
Speaker 3: podcast that is available on podcast platforms everywhere. My Meta
Speaker 3: Mysteries we just built a YouTube channel for it, and
Speaker 3: so anybody that wants to be able to support us
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Speaker 4: And we also have a Patreon.
Speaker 3: I have a Patreon for Metamisteries and for the Cult
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Speaker 3: Wednesday night, we have what we call Wonder Wizdays, So
Speaker 3: it's basically just another live show where a bunch of
Speaker 3: people open minded talking about magic and metaphysics and witchcraft
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Speaker 2: I love it, Man in the Heat, Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: and we'll definitely be doing this again. I think I'll
Speaker 2: be doing another swap with you here in a few weeks,
Speaker 2: so looking forward to that. And until next time, everyone,
Speaker 2: have a wonderful evening. We'll talk again tomorrow, see you again.