WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.719 I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.719 and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird 3 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.320 that people are going to have to talk about how 4 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:14.119 weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what 5 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:19.079 the hell is going on. It's not enough to say 6 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.519 it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts. 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:27.679 The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, 8 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:34.520 possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place 9 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:40.479 to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to 10 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.359 the forces that have been unleashed. 11 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.759 Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host, Chris Matthew. 12 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:52.840 Today my guest is Jonathan, the co host of Metamisteries 13 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:57.240 and Cult of Conspiracy podcast. First, a couple of announcements. 14 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.880 Check out Doors of Perception available for you to rent 15 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.920 or purchase from our website. It's only two ninety nine 16 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:06.799 to rent, seven dollars to purchase click that link right 17 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:10.040 in the description. We're booking guests for June. If you 18 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:12.640 have suggestions or you'd like to be a guest, email 19 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:16.120 me Forbidden Knowledge Neews at gmail dot com. Today, I 20 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:18.280 want to Welcome back to this show. Jonathan. He is 21 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:23.319 co host of Meta Mysteries and Cultive Conspiracy podcast. Meta 22 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.439 Mysteries is a spiritual journey created by two open minded 23 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.040 people searching for the truth about our existence. Why are 24 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.200 we here, where did we come from? And most importantly, 25 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:37.519 what are we capable of? Jonathan, Welcome back. How you doing? 26 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:39.799 Awesome? 27 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:43.879 Man. Excited to always excited to have a conversation with you, 28 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:46.159 whether you're coming over to Meta Mysteries or the Cult 29 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.200 of Conspiracy or whenever I get to go on to 30 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:49.799 your show. 31 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:52.400 So really excited about the topic today I am too. 32 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:54.959 And this is right up my alley. We're going to 33 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.879 be discussing a recent experience you had with DMT. 34 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.200 Is that right, Yes, that's right. 35 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:08.800 It was back in October we went to We went 36 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:10.240 to Brohemian. 37 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:13.120 Gold Yeah, which is a yeah something set up by 38 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.800 the Nephelin Squad. It was great, dude. It was out 39 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:16.319 in Florida. 40 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:20.000 It was really wild out there too, because they the 41 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:24.360 venue was in this town where it was like an 42 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.439 elderly swinging community and. 43 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:29.919 Is going on interesting. 44 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.719 They all ride around in these golf carts and somewhere 45 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:37.319 in Florida and they have like, you know, certain giveaways 46 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:37.960 as like. 47 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.120 Are they in are they in the swinging community or not? 48 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.319 Wow, that is crazy. Well right on, I'm very interested 49 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:51.199 in hearing about this. And part of this experience was 50 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.800 something that you call the void. And I've heard this 51 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:58.599 before and the best I can describe it would be 52 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:04.599 a spiritual vacuum of nothingness or emptiness. And my experience 53 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:09.159 with something similar was a very peaceful experience. It was 54 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:13.800 the precursor to my very first contact experience through meditation. 55 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:17.599 But I'd love to hear your experience, get your interpretation 56 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.000 on this. And you've been doing some deep dives since 57 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:26.439 the event and you've been looking at the possibilities behind this, 58 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:28.759 So tell us about it. Man. 59 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.439 Yeah, I've actually uh, it actually inspired me to start 60 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:36.599 writing a book site as a matter of fact, just 61 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:41.159 trying to dive into the philosophy and the mythology and 62 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:45.360 the spiritual and the religious you know, view of what 63 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.960 this void was that I was experiencing. And so a 64 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.080 little TLDR about how I was able to get there. 65 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.400 So I was at Brohemian Grove and a bunch of 66 00:03:56.479 --> 00:04:01.520 us were we we we were like basically passing around 67 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:05.400 this DMT pipe right, and I had always wanted to 68 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:05.800 try it. 69 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:07.439 I was I've always. 70 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:10.840 Been fascinated with the DMT realm and the you know, 71 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:14.479 because you hear so many different stories about, well, this 72 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:19.839 person experienced, you know, cosmic oneness, they experienced God, maybe 73 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.800 they saw ancestors or whatever the case is is that 74 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.399 they were able to experience something out of this world literally, 75 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.839 and and so I've always really been fascinated by it, 76 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.040 so I wanted to try it. I tried it the 77 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:36.240 first time, and so we're all hanging out this night 78 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:37.000 in this room. 79 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:38.120 We were at an Airbnb. 80 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.639 The I tried it the first time, and it was 81 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.079 like the coolest thing I've ever experienced in my entire life. 82 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.279 I hit it and it was awesome. Now I'm talking 83 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:52.000 about an n DMT, but it was though. 84 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:56.040 And N DMT. 85 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:59.519 It's like the typical DMT what people talk about that 86 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:03.439 it last for like two or three minutes, which is 87 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:05.560 really weird because it'll last for like two or three 88 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.199 minutes and you're shifted to this other world or realm 89 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.959 or whatever it is, and then as soon as it 90 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.800 wears off, you're back to reality. There's like no hangover 91 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.879 there's no like tiredness. It's like it happened as if 92 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:23.079 it never happened. And so it's it's pretty intense, and 93 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.319 I actually enjoy that way more than mushrooms or I 94 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.480 actually don't even want to try ayahuasca because I don't 95 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:31.800 want to be there for hours. Like I'm okay with 96 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.120 the two or three minute experience, but I can't imagine 97 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:39.639 being there for ten to twelve hours, Like that's how 98 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.680 people don't just lose their minds in there is beyond me. 99 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.759 But anyhow, so I went and I tried it the 100 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:47.240 first time. I was like, oh my god, this is 101 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.600 so amazing. I was like shifted or blasted out into 102 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:52.040 the UNI. 103 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.120 Ask you how many hits or puffs did it take 104 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:59.759 for you to experience that out of body that exit experience. 105 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:06.879 For me, it was only one big hit and so 106 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:10.240 I and I'm not really good with measurements or anything 107 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.839 like that, but I know that there's a traditional amount 108 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.839 that you hit it one good time and as you're 109 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:21.040 breathing out, you're blasting off into this other reality. And 110 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:25.399 it's not imaginative, like it's not just in my opinion, 111 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:30.120 I don't think that it's just like a complex equation 112 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.000 of whatever you thought about over the last couple of 113 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.519 months or whatever. I think it's so much more than that, 114 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:43.160 Like you're becoming aware of the entire reality, not just 115 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.959 this physical reality, if that makes sense. 116 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.439 And so I tried it and I blasted off. It 117 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:49.879 was awesome. 118 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.399 I was shifted out into this universe and I saw 119 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.800 what seemed to be like maybe like rings of Saturn 120 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.439 or something like that, but it almost looked. 121 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:03.040 Like a pool. It was like wavy, and it looks like. 122 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:05.279 I don't know, it was just really strange, not how 123 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.839 I always depicted it from the fake NASA pictures. 124 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:10.680 So I was out there and what I. 125 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.160 Noticed was is that there was this gold ball, and 126 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.680 this gold ball had like all of this kind of 127 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:17.839 like archaic writing on it. I don't know if it 128 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:21.480 was Egyptian or Japanese or something like that, and it 129 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:24.759 just seemed like so awesome. But it was far away 130 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.079 in the distance, and I was like, I wonder what 131 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.120 that thing feels like. For some reason, I just had 132 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.800 the thought I wanted to feel it. And as I 133 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.480 thought that, it appeared in my hand and I felt 134 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:36.439 the weight of it in my hand, and I'm going 135 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:37.839 over all the engravings, and. 136 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:39.000 I'm like, what does this mean? 137 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.959 And it was almost like the signs that you would 138 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.800 see in the second Transformers movie with Shila buff and 139 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.839 he's getting all these downloads and everything. 140 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:49.079 That's kind of what it felt like. 141 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:52.759 So but it didn't last very long, literally two minutes 142 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.240 if that, and I was like, oh my god, I 143 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.319 really want to do it again whatever, and I wanted 144 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.600 to last longer. So what I did was is that 145 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:05.399 I actually doubled the preferred dosage and that is where 146 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:10.199 I experienced the void. So I hit it again and 147 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.920 the blast off was so amazing. It's the most amazing 148 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:15.920 feeling that I've ever felt my entire life. 149 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:17.439 It's complete euphoria. 150 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.360 And I felt like I was just like, oh my god, 151 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.480 it was so awesome and I'm blasting up. And the 152 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:26.079 next thing I knew that it was it almost became 153 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.680 too awesome, like it was too much for me to handle, 154 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:35.440 like picture something that is so amazing that it's too amazing, 155 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.679 and that's and so I started to lose grasp of 156 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.440 my reality, and then I started to lose grasp of myself. 157 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.360 Next thing, I know, I'm inside of this Bucky's bathroom. 158 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.919 I just appear into this BUCkies gas station, hit right, 159 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.480 and so I'm in there and I'm like peeing at 160 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.799 a stall. I'm like, why am I seeing this? But 161 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.519 it was strange because I wasn't aware of my reality 162 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.200 that I had just left this physical reality. I wasn't 163 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.679 aware of that. I was only aware of my existence 164 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.559 in that Bucky's bathroom. And so I'm peeing at this 165 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:15.879 stall and I started to see literally everything just my 166 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.039 reality had a cheese grater laid on top of it, 167 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.039 and everything shifted into these cubes, and all these cubes 168 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.519 were spinning around and changing places, and literally my reality 169 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:30.519 was like if Thanos just snapped his fingers and everything 170 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.240 was starting to cease to exist, and then it did, 171 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:34.879 and then there was nothing else. 172 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.799 And I felt immense. 173 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:43.799 What I felt was that I was the reason why 174 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.279 this reality no longer existed. That I not only killed myself, 175 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.720 but I deleted everything that I've. 176 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.200 Ever experienced in my life, including. 177 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:57.399 You, my kids, my wife, my parents, everybody was ceased 178 00:09:57.399 --> 00:10:00.639 to exist because I went here. And I felt just 179 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.600 this immense amount of pressure and sadness and sorrow that 180 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.480 I was the only thing that could ever exist I 181 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:10.120 wasn't even a person anymore. I'm just out here in 182 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:13.320 this blackness. I didn't have a form or anything. And 183 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:15.879 it scared the ever living shit out of me, dude. 184 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:19.480 And it was the worst chaotic nightmare of a trip 185 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.080 that I've ever had in my life, so much to 186 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:27.120 where I carried that burden for months after this experience, 187 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:32.440 like that weird feeling of I just deleted this reality 188 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.639 and the reality that I'm coming back to it can't 189 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.200 be anything more than just a hologram of what the 190 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:42.200 real thing originally was. Like, it really twisted my mind 191 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:46.679 and it was like this, which is why I don't 192 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.159 try and tell people to do it unless like you 193 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:50.639 really really need to know. 194 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.759 And so yeah, it was really sad. It was really lonely. 195 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:59.120 And what I experienced was that I was the only 196 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.799 thing that exists did and even I was starting to perish. 197 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:06.399 And and so I've had a lot of time now 198 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.639 to try and go into that, uh, that that experience 199 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:13.600 and try and understand what it meant was I try 200 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.480 was I being shown something? What was I experiencing what 201 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.519 God experiences on a daily basis? If God is everything, 202 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.840 then you know, and I go into the idea of like, 203 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.440 is that why the Big Bang happened? Because all it, 204 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:29.679 all it used to be, was just this tiny, little, 205 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:33.759 lonely particle out there in the in the void of nothingness, right, 206 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.679 And so you start to get like real like philosophical 207 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:40.799 with it, and then you start to try and read 208 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:45.000 about other people's experiences. Did anybody else ever experience this? 209 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:49.039 And I tell you what, dude, it's I. I. At 210 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:53.440 the end of that experience, I said I I wouldn't 211 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:57.240 wish this on the devil. I don't want anybody to 212 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:00.519 experience this. It was the most horrific thing that I've 213 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:05.440 ever experienced. And now that I'm reading and learning about 214 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.879 other people's experience with the void, it's actually brought me 215 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:11.759 a little bit of comfort, to be honest with you, 216 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:15.720 Like just knowing that other people have experienced this. It 217 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:20.679 is strange, but there's a certain degree of okay, all right, 218 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:22.799 I'm not the only one to ever experienced that, Like 219 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.200 every somebody or some other people have also experienced it too, 220 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:27.919 And I don't know what it is, but it brings 221 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.840 me happiness knowing that I wasn't the only. 222 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.159 One, right, you know, And I want to explore this 223 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:35.960 a little bit more. I want to go back to 224 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:42.159 the Bucky's bathroom. When you realize you were in the bathroom, 225 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:46.200 you said it was like the previous experience in your 226 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.840 waking reality wasn't even you weren't even aware of that, 227 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:54.919 and this was the reality you were in. Now, were 228 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.000 you able to look around and see anything else beside 229 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.919 you and the bathroom stall? 230 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.960 Yeah, actually there was. There were other people in the bathroom. 231 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.559 As real as reality, like so much. 232 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.440 So that I forgot reality existed, Like I thought that 233 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:16.399 this was reality. And so I'm looking around and I 234 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:19.799 can sense other people behind me washing their hands, looking 235 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:20.480 in the mirror. 236 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.679 There's other urinal stalls or whatever that. 237 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:27.120 Are, Like it's one of the biggest bathrooms that you 238 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:29.639 could ever find in a gas station, and so it 239 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.279 has like I think, like a hundred stalls or something 240 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:36.440 crazy in there. And so I was able to see 241 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:40.840 other people that were standing there until everything started to 242 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:43.879 chop up. And so as soon as things started to dice, 243 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.600 like my perspectives started to dice into tiny little cubes 244 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:53.799 rather than just this continuous reality of whatever we regularly. 245 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.879 Experience, those people just cease to exist. 246 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.960 They went away, and I was the only one experiencing it. 247 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.120 And then that's whenever the cubation started to happen, if 248 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:08.519 that's a word, and then those tiny little cubes shifted, 249 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.960 they started to transform into these little bits of dust 250 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.039 and dust. I was really tripping out because I was like, 251 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.279 oh my god, how am I ever going to piece 252 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:18.399 all of this back together? 253 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.320 You know, like that's that was my mind. 254 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.679 I was like, well, I don't even know what to do, 255 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:27.120 and so that was you know, it was a horrific experience. 256 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:31.600 But I'm very, very very thankful to have had it 257 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.679 because it had shifted my life immensely. 258 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:35.240 You know. 259 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.919 It's it's crazy, like it's it's made me look at 260 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:39.759 my wife in a different way, my kids in a 261 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:44.679 different way, like make me like really, I just feel 262 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:49.720 like blessed in situations where maybe I never really appreciated 263 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:52.960 it as much before because I understood what the void 264 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.159 was and it was devoid. 265 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.320 Of all of this, you know, so very fascinating. 266 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.799 But but I did want to get into like the 267 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.000 d MT here for anybody that doesn't really know what 268 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.080 the N N d mt what I'm talking about here, 269 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:15.600 So it's a N N dimethyl trip to mean It's 270 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:20.720 a powerful, naturally occurring psychedelic compound found in countless plants, animals, 271 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:24.320 and even trace amounts in the human body. Structurally, it's 272 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.320 part of the trip to Mean family, making it chemically 273 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:32.240 similar to serotonin and other entheogens like psilocybin. DMT is 274 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:37.480 most famous for producing incredibly intense, short lived experience experiences 275 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:43.279 that often include vivid geometric visuals, contact with seemingly autonomous entities, 276 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.240 and a sense of traveling through and beyond time and space. 277 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.600 It's the main active ingredient in ayahuasca, a traditional Amazonian 278 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:55.720 bruge used for spiritual inhaling ceremonies. When vaporized or smoked 279 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:59.399 in its freebase form, which is how I was inhaling 280 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:03.440 it and DMT hits the brain almost instantly and catapults 281 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.039 the user into an altered state within seconds. The effects 282 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.039 are usually so overwhelming and immersive that the outer world 283 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:16.159 disappears completely. The peak may last anywhere between five and 284 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:16.759 ten minutes. 285 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:18.320 I experienced it. 286 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:20.480 I think it was only like three or four minutes, 287 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.840 but the user often reports experiencing what feels like hours 288 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:30.879 or lifetimes. Common elements include intense visual fractals, the sense 289 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.080 of breaking through a membrane or a veil in the 290 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:38.360 presence of intelligent being sometimes described as a machine, elves, guides, 291 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.000 or architects of reality. So that's a little bit about 292 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.840 what I experienced. I never experienced another. 293 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:46.879 Entity on DMT. 294 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.960 It's it always felt like all of this was somehow. 295 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:57.080 I don't want to say emanating from me necessarily, because. 296 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:58.879 What are we? What am I? What are you? 297 00:16:58.960 --> 00:16:59.360 Like? Where? 298 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.720 Where does this energy even come from? 299 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:05.680 But it does feel like I was able to have 300 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:10.119 the perception of possibly God. And I'm not saying that 301 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:12.079 I am God or I'm not one of those like 302 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.599 crazies that is like I am God, worship me. 303 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:17.200 No, that's absolutely not it. 304 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:22.960 But I was able to perceive reality, possibly from God's perception. 305 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.400 I'm not entirely sure that that's what it was, but 306 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:27.720 that's the best way I can put it into human work. 307 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:32.880 You mentioned the time perception. Did you perceive time differently 308 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.279 while you were having that experience? Did it seemed longer 309 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:36.240 than three minutes? 310 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:37.119 Like you said. 311 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.400 The second one, Yes, the first one where it was 312 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:43.799 awesome and I really enjoyed it so much that I 313 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:48.039 wanted to do it again. That that felt like maybe 314 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.440 two minutes. And so we actually recorded it both times, 315 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:58.000 and it felt like two minutes, and it actually it 316 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:01.079 lasted three minutes, but it only felt like a minute 317 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:02.920 and a half or two minutes. So there was a 318 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.759 little bit of distortion in time. Like I know, I 319 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.359 may be split in hairs by saying that something was 320 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.640 a minute and a half compared to the three minutes 321 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:14.559 that's on video, But it felt so short that I 322 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:16.880 could have counted it in a minute and a half, 323 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:22.400 you know, whereas the other experience, the void experienced, it 324 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.160 felt like it was it lasted an eternity, like it 325 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.759 was outside of time, like I was trapped in a 326 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.799 place that time doesn't exist, and therefore it seems it 327 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:36.119 seemed like it lasted forever. 328 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.000 And uh, conversely that it never had. 329 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.400 You got the sense that you may be trapped out 330 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:46.880 there forever for a little while, right. 331 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.319 Yeah, yeah, And and I mean I literally thought that 332 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:55.799 I just nuked the reality, like there was nothing else 333 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:58.880 outside of me, and I was the reason why all 334 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.119 of this, you know, came crashing down, and so, you know, 335 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.880 it's it's a strange experience. But what what I noticed 336 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.160 or what I was trying to do. Was that I 337 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:12.039 got this tiny little thought towards the end that like, oh, 338 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:13.599 you know, I need to bring it back. 339 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:15.160 I need to bring reality back. 340 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.079 And and I just got this thought of open your 341 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.920 eyes and see that everybody's still here, because we had 342 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:25.119 everybody you know, around us, and and and so I 343 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:28.960 was trying to open my physical human eyes and and 344 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.759 I whenever I opened my eyes, I saw that the 345 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.240 room was completely silent and everybody was just staring at me. 346 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:37.960 And I was like, I was like, oh my god, 347 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.559 Like what I'm experiencing is what I want to believe, 348 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.519 Like this is not even here, it's not real. And 349 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:49.640 because everybody was like still motion, but to be fair, 350 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.640 they were still motion even in reality observing what I 351 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:57.440 was going through. So nobody was talking, nobody was sniffing 352 00:19:57.680 --> 00:19:59.480 or scratching or anything like that. 353 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:00.920 It was complete still frame. 354 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.440 But it fucked me up in the head because I 355 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:05.839 thought that this was just. 356 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:07.240 A still image of my memory. 357 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.400 And so I kept on trying to like convince myself, no, 358 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:12.920 that's reality, that's reality. 359 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:13.880 You can go back there. 360 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:19.200 And it's almost like I was birthing reality again by 361 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:23.400 convincing myself that it did exist, and so after a while, 362 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.240 I started to see people shift around, move their hands around, 363 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.839 maybe crack some knuckles or whatever. And that's how I 364 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.400 was able to pull myself back into this reality. And 365 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:37.640 afterward I actually had what I like to describe as 366 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:43.519 like the thousand miles scare that certain people like you 367 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:47.480 come back from like a crazy war or something like that, right, 368 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:49.880 and those you know, those people, they come back and 369 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:50.559 they're not right. 370 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:52.640 You know, they experienced something that was. 371 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:58.440 Beyond like whatever could be deemed good, right, and so 372 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:00.680 they come back and they're like, you know, they they're 373 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.440 just lost, like it's and I and I felt that, 374 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.319 you know, like I felt like and it was It 375 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:10.400 was crazy that I felt that way even after seeing 376 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.839 that reality was still existing, because it felt like I 377 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:19.799 just went through this marathon of discovering that nothing existed 378 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:23.400 until I opened my eyes to discover that everything actually 379 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:26.119 did exist. So it, uh, it put me in a 380 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:30.359 very deep depressed state for months after that, just trying 381 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.799 to understand and convince myself that that was just that 382 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.519 was just the void, you know, and you've you've heard 383 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.359 it talked about by by countless other people, and so 384 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.319 that was just a place. It's not all, you know, 385 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:46.799 and so I was trying to convince myself of that. 386 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.480 And but yeah, I mean, after after diving into what 387 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:57.920 all of that means, you know, spiritually, esoterically, even I 388 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:02.839 feel like I have a pretty good relationship with my uh, 389 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.880 with my experience, my memory of the void. 390 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:08.799 Now I've been able to somewhat shift that in a sense. 391 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:12.000 So to the best of your ability, tell us where 392 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:14.839 you're at now with this experience, what it really means 393 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.720 to you now, and if you will ever attempt to 394 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:19.440 go back again. 395 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.640 I can I go back and forth with it, because 396 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:28.480 I remember at the end of that I was like, 397 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.160 I wouldn't even want the worst person that I could 398 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:33.880 imagine to ever experience that, And so that has kind 399 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:38.279 of hindered me a little bit, just basically like trying 400 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:41.359 to trying to understand what it meant, and you know, 401 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.319