WEBVTT 1 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:44.600 Welcome to this edition of The High Strangers Factor, copyrighted 2 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.960 on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I am Steve Ward 3 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:51.920 along with Annie Mercer and Susie Bastile. The High Stranger 4 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:55.119 Factor has been around about seven years. Tonight we are 5 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:59.280 celebrating the seventh anniversary. We think it's the seventh anniversary, anyway, 6 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:02.960 we could stand. We stand corrected. Before we introduce our 7 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:08.040 guest co host and our special guests, Andy, catch us 8 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:09.640 up with what's going on with you when you're a 9 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:10.439 publishing company. 10 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.040 Yes, it's going rather well. My most a bit of 11 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.280 time since you had a last shown. Since that, I've 12 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:18.719 had a book out which has sold out real quickly, 13 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:21.840 which is rather and just working on the next one now, 14 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:24.480 so that's given me quite busy. The last one was 15 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:27.719 on ancient Greek magic. This one's on a manuscript that's 16 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:32.000 published in the eighteen hundreds that's been I am transcribing 17 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:35.239 it from although in English it's handwritten so it's not 18 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:38.359 incredibly clear in places, into a much more modern. 19 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.640 Form so it's easy to read. So that's the currently 20 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:41.159 one working on. 21 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.319 I spoke at a conference a couple weeks back which 22 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.079 was on the occult in glaston Bringing my favorite place, 23 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:48.920 so that went down really rather well. Pleased with that, 24 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.439 so keep me quite busy. We've had some weather here 25 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:54.640 which dud if you guys have heard about. It's the 26 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.680 West Country of England. It rained almost constantly for nearly 27 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:02.799 two months every day through flooding rains a lot here 28 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:04.959 anywhere in the West Country, but this was excessive and 29 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:09.120 we had roads closed, people's homes flooded, entire fields and 30 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:10.840 lakes just with rain on them. 31 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:12.960 Because part of Somerset. 32 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:16.680 Is very much sea level it so of course any 33 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.400 heavy rainfall tends to stay on the surface, so it 34 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.800 was but it's particularly bad. 35 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:26.599 So are you maintaining water tight and techerty in your home? 36 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:31.120 Fortunately we're on a slight hill so here actual house 37 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:33.599 is absolutely fine, but not very far away a matter 38 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.000 of a couple hundred yards is an area called North 39 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.039 that has had flooding problems in the past and it 40 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.360 wasn't too bad this time, but there was days when 41 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:45.520 the road was just underwater, which so it's pretty unusual. 42 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:47.919 So it's been an interesting time all around. 43 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.680 But I was pretty much stuck at home because I 44 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:53.840 don't drive, so my transport is the local bus, and 45 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.479 that was temporarily canceled for about three weeks because of 46 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.800 the weather because the whole area of the road had 47 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.840 flooded and it's one road, but to go around it 48 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:03.599 in the past would have had another hours of the 49 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.080 journey time. So unfore she counted the bus at the 50 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.240 time being so a bit annoying, but thankfully I've had 51 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:10.400 a few days of sunshine. 52 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:12.159 It does actually feel like spring now. 53 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.360 It's been sunny here, tenderly suns up. 54 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:18.800 So it definitely feels like it's movie to spring at 55 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.439 a lot. That's good. So do you have any books 56 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.919 out where you can turn somebody into a newt. 57 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:30.800 Well, one of the books working on he Doesntain and 58 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.199 spells in the fifteen hundreds that may include something along 59 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:34.719 those lines. 60 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:35.479 Don't you never know? 61 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:42.039 That could be handy at all. Anyway, Susie tell us 62 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.159 about how people can contact you and if you have 63 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:46.479 any projects going on. 64 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.039 So you can contact me on the new moon by 65 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.919 going into a swamp at midnight and saying my name 66 00:03:54.000 --> 00:04:01.960 three times and bringing and offering. As for projects, I 67 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:07.840 have been knowed in and or sick all winter, so 68 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:13.439 I've been working on my remote viewing skills, ah, which 69 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:16.360 I am forcing my child to help me with. Also, 70 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:21.199 he so far hasn't had me committed, so it's going well. 71 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:29.000 Very good. And now we can introduce our guest co host. 72 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:33.879 He's known as the Creature Seeker, which of course is 73 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:36.000 a pseudonym. I don't think it's not his birth certificate. 74 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:40.199 And the reason is that he's not trying to be mysterious. 75 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:42.680 He's actually trying to stay one or two steps ahead 76 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.920 of the law. And I'm here tonight I'm going to 77 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:49.720 reveal his real name. His real name is Rolo Tamasi, 78 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.040 so just keep that in mind anyway. Creature Seeker, welcome 79 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.360 back to the High Strangers Factor. You've been here as 80 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.920 a guest co host before and as a full fledged guest. 81 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.199 Yeah, thanks for having me, Steve. Nice to see you 82 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.199 folks again. Susie and Andy. Yeah, I have been here 83 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:12.279 a couple of times, and coincidentally, none of those appearances 84 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.639 have actually ever been published for some reason. 85 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:20.000 So wait a minute, Wait a minute, you had several 86 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:23.959 several published here. Okay, man, you got the check on 87 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.399 the mail right. Maybe perhaps I misspoke. I won one 88 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:31.800 appearance published, so I feel very fortunate to be once 89 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.920 again in your company, and I'm talking about Andy and 90 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:39.079 Suzie of course. Well, but I'm here to thank you 91 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.120 again once again for saving my tuk us when the 92 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:47.120 other night my computer, my computer that's on its last legs, 93 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.160 went completely wacky. I sent you and Andy images about what 94 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.040 was going on, and you spent what two or three 95 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:58.720 hours taking command of my computer and actually getting it 96 00:05:58.720 --> 00:05:59.319 to work again. 97 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.199 It was actually three hours and seventeen minutes, but who's counting. 98 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.439 That's what's reflected on my bill. 99 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:14.319 So I offer that I don't have any I've had 100 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:18.120 plumbing issues again. I'm going to have to I'll have 101 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.199 to take out a loan to pay your bill. Okay, great, 102 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:28.240 So now let's introduce our guests. Brian and Terry Seech 103 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:31.519 have been married since nineteen eighty five and researching the paranormal, 104 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.360 and I've explained for just as long. Brian's interest started 105 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.439 at the age of ten when he saw a documentary 106 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.360 on TV called The Mysterious Monsters, which dealt with Bigfoot 107 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.800 and the Locknest Monster. When he worked for a local retailer, 108 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.519 He went to lunch one day with a friend Dave, 109 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.120 and the subject turned to UFOs Dave then explained about 110 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:53.680 his low level encounter. In the nineteen sixties, Brian decided 111 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.519 to form a research and study group on all Things 112 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:02.120 Unexplained and Paranormal Q the Center for Unexplained Events. He 113 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.800 would become Brian and Terry's passion from then on. Terry's 114 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:09.439 interest started in the nineteen seventies watching documentaries on TV 115 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:13.439 about UFOs in Bigfoot and having her own ghost experiences 116 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:17.000 as a teenager and young adult. Along with UFO sightings, 117 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.920 her passion to read and learn about the paranormal and 118 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:28.519 unexplained as well as natural healing, homeopathy, aromatherapy, crystal healing, yoga, spirituality, 119 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.079 and world religions. She has also learned Riki one and two. 120 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.639 Brian has dubbed their files the Siege Files, the s Files, 121 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.399 and their home the Siege Triangle because a lot of 122 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.560 things have disappeared over the years, never to be seen again, 123 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.040 and it never happened while I was visiting. I want 124 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.120 that clear. Brian has appeared on Monsters and Mysteries in 125 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.800 America and has been featured on the independent independent film 126 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.319 Mountain Devil, The Search for Frank Peterson, was an extra 127 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.839 in The Mothband Prophecies movie filmed in the Pittsburgh area 128 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:02.000 Huh I Didn't Know That, and has appeared on various 129 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:05.120 internet radio shows. He also, along with Terry, has been 130 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:10.160 featured on the awesome podcast The High Strangers Factor several times. 131 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.680 Brian has also co written articles for the Creature Chronicles 132 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.959 column in the Hancock County Courier in West Virginia. From 133 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:21.160 August through November twenty thirteen. He was also co instructor 134 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:25.360 for the first ever cryptozoology class at Eastern Gateway College 135 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.720 in Steubenville, Ohio. Their own group, the Center for Unexplained Events, 136 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:34.240 holds meetings locally in Beaver County, Pennsylvania, and CCS Center 137 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:38.679 for Cryptozoological Studies, formed in twenty twelve. The most recent 138 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:43.919 endeavor is a project named LAE Light Anomaly Exploration, started 139 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.919 in May twenty nineteen, which researchers and explores the light 140 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:51.720 anomalies that have been reported over the years. Both Brian 141 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:55.039 and Terry co sponsored the Butler Paranormal Conference and the 142 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.639 volunteer for the Creature Weekend event. They sponsored the Beaver 143 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.399 Valley PERCN Rochester, Pennsylvania. They are members of the KBP 144 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:09.440 Keystone Bigfoot Project BO ru Butler Organization for Research on 145 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.919 the Unexplained and our former field investigators for Newfon the 146 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.639 Mutual UFO Network. Terry was also a state section director 147 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:21.759 for MUFON, covering eight northwest counties of Pennsylvania and belonged 148 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:26.320 to a group called CRC Consciousness Raising Club whose goal 149 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:31.720 it is to raise human awareness consciousness globally. It is 150 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:35.840 about becoming enlightened human beings and creating a better Earth. 151 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:40.919 The Center for Unexplained Events is now celebrating its fortieth year. 152 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.240 Brian and Terry, welcome back to the heist rangis factor. 153 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:45.879 Glad to be here. 154 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.919 Thank you, Steve, thanks for being here to celebrate our 155 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:54.039 whatever the anniversary is, sixth seventh, Who cares? But it's 156 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:57.519 great to have some longevity. So I'm going to have 157 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:01.559 to ask, how long have you guys known the creature Seeker? 158 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.120 How long will we admit to knowing him? 159 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:05.399 Wow? 160 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:08.080 When was the first time we met you down at 161 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.679 the Bigfoot conference? First? You remember what year? 162 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.279 I want to say it was in the early two thousands, 163 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:15.759 right it was? 164 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.559 Yeah, Yeah, it's been more than a decade at least. 165 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:19.279 Oh, yeah, it's over. 166 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:24.320 Yeah, at least at least That's what I recall. 167 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:28.399 So what were your first impressions? 168 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:30.320 Bruce? 169 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.679 Yeah, well Bruce, you guys what you know, what was 170 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.879 the you know, how did you how did you size 171 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:36.240 him up? 172 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:38.879 No, Bruce, not Bruce. 173 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:39.759 Creature Seeker. 174 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.320 Oh I mean yeah, yeah that yeah, yeah, creature Seeker. 175 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:45.720 H rolls. 176 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.600 Come on, I mean, Creature Seeker was always very nice 177 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:52.240 to us. He came up and talk to my you know, 178 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.000 Terry and I later on David, Dave and Carrie Rupert 179 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:59.960 and uh, always very friendly. Helped out Don keating for 180 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.480 the first couple of years, and just yeah, we liked them. 181 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.440 We hit it off with them right away. 182 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.960 How long have you guys been in West Virginia now? 183 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:12.240 Four years last August? 184 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:17.759 Is uh? Is West Virginia a better sort of a 185 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:21.480 hot spot to uh to investigate this type of phenomena 186 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.879 than it was in Pennsylvania? Or Is there any difference? 187 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:30.480 Not much difference, Not much difference. It's it's a lot 188 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.120 harder to research here because we're there's there's hills and 189 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.679 cliffs and mountains here. It's it's called the Mountain State 190 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:39.320 for a reason. We're literally only seven miles from the 191 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:42.200 PA border. In What about a half hour from where 192 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:45.159 we used to live. We do some hikes and things 193 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.399 like that with our friends Jeff and Scott down here, 194 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:51.960 and of course, you know, we did some things with Fred, 195 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:55.720 you know, unfortunately passed away in December. So now we've 196 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:58.639 kind of taken over the rains here. It's a lot 197 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.840 harder to research here for sure. But you know, we're 198 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:06.840 in a we're in an area we call tri State Triangle. 199 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.840 We're if you look at a map, anclock County is 200 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:14.039 the smallest county in West Virginia, and it actually we 201 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.919 say that we're on the tip of the middle finger 202 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.320 of West Virginia if you want, if you watch West Virginia, 203 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:25.799 we're between West Pa and Pa and Ohio watching to 204 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:27.320 live down here. It's why we came down here. 205 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:31.039 Yeah, that definitely is. I I was at the Mofman 206 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.519 Statue one day, you know, taking pictures of people, and 207 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:39.159 I always ask people where they're from. And the one guy, he, uh, 208 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:41.519 he said from here. He flipped the bird at me. 209 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:43.840 Then he realized, oh, wait a minute, maybe this guy 210 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.120 isn't from West Virginia, doesn't know what I'm talking about. 211 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.240 So I said, yeah, I know all about the middle finger, 212 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.519 so he thought maybe he uh, you know, disrespected me 213 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:52.360 for a few minutes. 214 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.440 I think when I first met Steve, I flipped him 215 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:57.919 the finger as well. So I think there may be 216 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.519 some sort of pattern merging here. 217 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.279 Well, you know, I was gonna say that story for 218 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.039 about halfway through the show, but maybe we should talk 219 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.200 about one time when all of us were together and 220 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:13.759 it was on the Mothman hay Ride and many stories 221 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:17.279 have come up about that and they're not all accurate. 222 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:22.200 Now No, Well, first off, Brian and Terry talk about 223 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.960 the Butler Paranormal Event. Do you know if there's going 224 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:26.840 to be another one? It was some question as to 225 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.559 whether Dan was going to have another Dan Hagman, who 226 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:33.960 runs the paranormal event usually in the spring in Butler, Pennsylvania, 227 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:35.159 do you think there'll be another one? 228 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.600 Was of right now there isn't the venue where he 229 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.399 had it at for the past what eighteen nineteen years? 230 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:47.480 The building recently sold. Okay, he was looking for another place. 231 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:51.360 So as of right now, there's we haven't heard anything. 232 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:53.519 You know, that could change tomorrow, but as of right 233 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:54.399 this minute. 234 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.360 Okay, it's always a good event. I mean, it's a Saturday, 235 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:00.480 it's always been affordable. He's always had a different lineup 236 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:04.279 of speakers. Even all of us have spoken their creature secret. 237 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.039 Did you ever actually speak there? 238 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:11.279 I don't think I actually was a speaker at that 239 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:18.240 event ever, but I did. I did frequent the the podium, no, 240 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:19.879 the food truck a lot. 241 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.559 So well. I remember you would get up there to 242 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:29.720 advertise the upcoming Creature weekend and and sometimes you would 243 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:32.080 harass people. You know, you were kind of like the 244 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.960 the Don Rickles of the Butler paranormal event. And I 245 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:40.000 remember Doug Waller, who self publishes his own big Foot books. 246 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:42.279 You were up there one time. Doug had just come 247 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:46.639 out with a new book, and Creature Seekers up there saying, hey, hey, Doug, 248 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:49.240 how why do those margins in that book two inches 249 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.120 on each side? And then he said, and what was 250 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:53.399 your what was your publisher? Again? 251 00:14:53.799 --> 00:15:00.159 Xerox, I do remember that, Steve No So you know Doug, uh, 252 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.799 you know, he's from Ohio and he had, you know, 253 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:04.600 he published a couple of books. In the book that 254 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:09.039 he was sort of promoting. In my opinion, was was 255 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:10.519 kind of thin. It was kind of it's more like 256 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.879 a pamphlet. And uh, even though even though it was bound. 257 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:17.919 I think it could have easily have been held together 258 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:21.480 with staples. But that's just look, that's I was just 259 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:22.559 giving him a hard time. 260 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:23.279 Uh. 261 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:27.600 He's a good guy, though, Doug. Pardon, he's a really 262 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.360 good guy. Gug. I mean, we're ripping on him, but 263 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.440 he's Doug Waller is a really good guy. He was 264 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:32.960 a good sport about it at the time. 265 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.519 And so yeah, I was given a hard time about, 266 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:41.919 you know, the the thought being very large, his margins 267 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:47.600 being very wide, and you know the fact that you know, 268 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:52.480 it was more of a brochure than a book. 269 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:57.279 So I'll stick up for Doug. He's had, I believe, 270 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.559 five books. They're all very very good, very well written, 271 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.120 and tell of bigfoot encounters in not just Ohio but 272 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.519 nearby PA and even in West Virginia down here in 273 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:06.840 that weir. 274 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.720 And and he does a lot of personal research himself. Yeah, 275 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.159 he's not just rehashing stuff. So anyway, my first I 276 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.159 can't remember what year it was, but my first Butler 277 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.879 paranormal conference, I met Brian and Terry and a few 278 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.759 of the people, and they knew the vibe was was bigfoot. 279 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.480 You know, they like, if they ever thought about Mothman. 280 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.039 He was an afterthought. So here I am at the 281 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:32.320 at the Mothman Festival, and I'm the I had started 282 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:36.120 doing the tour, one of the tours in there, and 283 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.120 I'm watching people lining up. I see Brian and Terry 284 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:42.200 and a few other people I thought I recognized from Butler. 285 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.440 So I thought, all right, I've got bigfooters on board. 286 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.960 So they get on. Everybody gets on board on the cart, 287 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.200 and I thought, I'm going to have some fun. So 288 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:52.720 the first thing I said, well, you know, the only 289 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:57.559 legitimate paranormal researchers are Mothman researchers. Bigfoot researchers are a 290 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:00.480 bunch of backbencher wannabes trying to work their way up. 291 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:05.079 That's a paraphrase something like that. And Bruce had and 292 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:08.519 Creature Seeker is sitting right next to me, okay, and 293 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:11.519 so everybody had kind of a good Actually, Dave Rupert 294 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:14.480 was looking right at me, and you know, and I 295 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.400 didn't know David all that time. It was another really 296 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.119 good guy and gentle as a lamb, right, but he 297 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.599 looked like maybe he was thinking about do I hit 298 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:25.440 him now or do I wait? You know, when it's 299 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:28.960 darker out on a dark alley or something. Anyway, everybody 300 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:30.960 had kind of a good laugh on that. And I 301 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.759 said to Bruce, I said to the creek, I said 302 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:39.920 to Rolo TOMASI I said, uh, I said, it's pretty funny. Huh, 303 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.319 I recognize so and so and so ino And he said, Steve, 304 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:47.839 the whole cart was full of Bigfoot research. So I insulted. 305 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.799 I don't know how many people and one fell swoot. 306 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.759 But the good news is they most of them came 307 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:56.160 back the next year to be insulted again. So it 308 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:57.839 worked out pretty good. Yeah. 309 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.559 Well, prior to prior to that event, we had all 310 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:06.079 sort of organized and agreed that we would all meet 311 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.880 at the same time to you know, to go on 312 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.000 that hay ride. And so it just happened that we were, 313 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:13.799 you know, most of us were Bigfoot researchers, and of 314 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:19.960 course Steve, with his ultimate timing, chose to uh, you know, 315 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:26.839 basically uh insults a whole wagon full of researchers at 316 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:27.440 one times. 317 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:27.960 Yeah. 318 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:33.200 Well, even though he insulted us every year we've gone back, 319 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.559 we always waited for Steve's wagon to come around to 320 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:36.640 get on with him. 321 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:40.839 That's kind of some kind of psychological self punishment thing, 322 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:41.799 probably right. 323 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:47.759 To ste and we always don't. We always chant your 324 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.319 name before you come, come to we all, you know, Steve, Steve, Steve. 325 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:54.200 It could be, it could be. And then there was 326 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:56.440 the year that we I guess maybe it was the 327 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.480 same year we went by where John and Tim Frick 328 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.839 the Mothman they hide behind the old acid plant. They 329 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:07.240 run the Mothman mannequin thing that they hooked up down 330 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.200 a wire off one of these structures, one of the 331 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.640 old structures there. They have this ingenious low tech hand 332 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:17.559 crank delivery system. They light up his eyes with battery 333 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.599 power and they blast a sound effect from a someplace 334 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:24.039 I can't say because they've never paid royalties. So anyway, 335 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:27.799 so they did that and we're all but we were chanting. 336 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:33.480 I think it was God who was there, the guy 337 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:35.680 that a Creatures Secret used to be your co host 338 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:40.640 on subsquash. He said, we got to say something, you know, 339 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.480 So we were yelling freakin' frack freakin' Fred at the 340 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.880 top of our lungs. And then Bigfoot Phil was there 341 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.279 and he does a perfect woody woodpecker. So after that, 342 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.680 I said, Phil, woody woodpecker. So he belts out this 343 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.480 perfect woody woodpecker that probably went all over the county. Anyway, 344 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:02.119 that's the kind of fun we have at the Moth 345 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:02.880 Band Festival. 346 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.400 Yeah, I think you're talking about Phil Brocco. Yes, yes, yeah, 347 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:10.559 Bigfoot Phil. Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah. Phil's a good guy. 348 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:14.039 I spoke to him fairly recently, actually last week. I 349 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:18.440 think he's still doing research and he's still kicking around. 350 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:24.039 This guy, uh is fearless. So there is a section 351 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:27.440 of Salt Fork State Park. It's called the Hossacks Cave 352 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:31.480 and it's an area of high strangeness because people have 353 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:36.279 heard disembodied voices. There have been several deaths over at 354 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:39.720 Hosacks Cave over the years because you know, people will 355 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.119 climb up to the top of the cave and it's 356 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:46.240 extremely slippery and that's where the waterfall goes over the 357 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:49.319 cave and then you lose your footing and there's no 358 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:52.480 there's nothing you can grab onto. It's just all mossy 359 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:57.000 and rock and smooth, you know, over you know, thousands 360 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.359 of years of that water going up the rock and 361 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.119 people plumme it to their deaths about you know, sixty 362 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:06.079 feet below. But Phil Broco, you know, so we'd be 363 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:08.680 out there and he would just pull out a a 364 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:10.559 launch air. He was like, oh, you know, I'm gonna 365 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.759 I'm going to sleep here tonight. And I'm like, Phil, 366 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:15.880 are you sure you want to do that? I mean 367 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:19.799 it's like forty degrees out. He's like, no, No, I'm good. 368 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:22.720 I'm good. And he you know, he does that a lot. 369 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:27.400 So yeah, he researches too, a lot in by the 370 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:31.119 Mogador Reservoir and up by Berlin Lake, up and towards 371 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:32.240 northern Ohio too. 372 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.079 Yeah. So are we going to have another Creature Weekend? 373 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.039 Do you think? You know that? 374 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:43.440 That's always the question when we post on the Creature 375 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:50.640 Weekend Facebook page. And all I can say is you 376 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:51.920 never can tell Steve. 377 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:56.119 And for those that don't know that, the Creature Weekend 378 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:01.039 is held at Saltfort State Park. And what's the town 379 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:04.240 of Cambridge is closer fairly close to Cambridge, Ohio, right 380 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.079 where I seventy and seventy seven come together. 381 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:12.440 Yeah, it's right at the intersection of seventeen seventy seven there. 382 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.640 And you know, for years we've we've always had that 383 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:18.400 event at Saltport State Park. 384 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:20.599 It's not to say we may not switch it up. 385 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.519 But you know, I get invitations to move that event 386 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:27.759 to other parts of the state, other parts of the 387 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:32.519 country even and you know, the logistics, you know, we 388 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:37.319 have to work out. But people, really we have a 389 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.319 great following, and it's really because of the volunteers. You know, 390 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.400 Brian and Terry are one of the volunteers, are some 391 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:46.799 of the volunteers, and you know, all the volunteers. They 392 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:50.079 work really really hard to make that a really special 393 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:53.559 event for the attendees and the result is that it's 394 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:57.759 really gained a huge following and it's really hard to 395 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:01.400 even post anything on the Facebook page without somebody inquiring about, hey, 396 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:05.119 when when's the next Spreach weekend. And that's really that's 397 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:07.799 really due to the hard work of our volunteers like 398 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:12.200 Brian and Terry and our speakers, uh you know, who've 399 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:14.920 really really made that event what it is. 400 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.359 Well, you've always had a good lineup of a speaker, 401 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:23.599