Speaker 1: Get ready, Hey, is.
Speaker 2: This thing on?
Speaker 3: February sixth, twenty twenty five. You know, I've always found
Speaker 3: that to be the dumbest thing I ever heard. When
Speaker 3: somebody tries to speak into a mic and says, you know,
Speaker 3: is this thing on? You know right away if it's
Speaker 3: on or not. It's impossible not to know that. Anyhow,
Speaker 3: Look here we are, we're live. I mean, if you're
Speaker 3: live on a mic in a room, you definitely know
Speaker 3: if you're on or not. And if not, what good
Speaker 3: is that mic? But anyhow, it is a Thursday Thursday,
Speaker 3: and you know, somebody I haven't spoken to in months,
Speaker 3: and really I guess not much since I think we
Speaker 3: might have recapped the Lancer conference maybe, and then that
Speaker 3: was it. I was sick after that and then the holidays,
Speaker 3: and God help us, all reality has shifted now. But
Speaker 3: Mike Swanson Wall Street Window dot com, you know you
Speaker 3: can still go over there and sign up for his
Speaker 3: email list. Last I looked, and I would if I
Speaker 3: was you, because one of the only places that doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to be suffering from the effects of of I
Speaker 3: don't know what to make of the current reality, but anyway,
Speaker 3: it is news. It's all that stuff. Mike Swanson the
Speaker 3: author of the War State and of course Why the
Speaker 3: Vietnam War. And we're looking forward to seeing what Mike
Speaker 3: might come up with this year into next as far
Speaker 3: as you know authorship, I'm anxious to see, I mean
Speaker 3: because at least I know I'm gonna get some sanity.
Speaker 3: Mike Swanson, How you doing, man, all.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. It's great to talk to you.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you're feeling a lot better than you were
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Too.
Speaker 3: Well, for a couple of months I was in rough shape.
Speaker 3: And now people are going to notice that he sounds
Speaker 3: a little weird. I got a cold too, but I'm
Speaker 3: getting over it. And the cold the bad head called
Speaker 3: was like, well, this headache sucks, but this is nothing
Speaker 3: compared to, you know, a feeling like you're fading from reality.
Speaker 3: So it's just a cold. And no, it's not the
Speaker 3: the the what, the rona or the VID or whatever
Speaker 3: it is they're calling it nowadays. But yeah, I got
Speaker 3: some kind of head cold, but I'm getting over it.
Speaker 3: How's your health been? Have you been good all this time?
Speaker 3: I mean again, we we kind of communicated here and
Speaker 3: there and we did speak off there, but nobody's heard
Speaker 3: from you in my little universe here. So how have
Speaker 3: you been.
Speaker 4: Oh, my health has been fine. I just take a
Speaker 4: year ago. Last year, I just slowed down and as
Speaker 4: far as putting out content on the Internet and engaging
Speaker 4: in you know, media stuff across the board, and slowed down.
Speaker 4: I'm still in that mode, uh right, because they just
Speaker 4: think everything's so chaotic and uh well, every amount of influence.
Speaker 3: Everything has changed, right, this is what well I.
Speaker 4: Was came to this feeling before Trump was elected. This
Speaker 4: was you know, before the election.
Speaker 3: Well, see, you're good at recognizing this stuff ahead of
Speaker 3: when we're all choking on it, which is, you know,
Speaker 3: why you were able to make Let's be honest, this
Speaker 3: is why you were able to make a living, you know,
Speaker 3: in the stock market and even with the hedge fund,
Speaker 3: and that you know earlier, is because you could recognize
Speaker 3: things before they really struck. Okay, And and I've noticed
Speaker 3: that about you.
Speaker 2: You're not a.
Speaker 3: Panic guy or anything, but you always tell me stuff
Speaker 3: like ahead of time, like look, things are about to
Speaker 3: get a little weird here. Uh And you're you're you
Speaker 3: know right most of the time. And I mean the
Speaker 3: majority of the time.
Speaker 4: Oh, in that vein, I got good and bad news.
Speaker 3: Yes see, there you go, And that's the weird I
Speaker 3: saw these weird movements in the stock market. Now, as
Speaker 3: you well know, I'm the guy who says, look, it's
Speaker 3: a casino and it ain't my casino. But I know
Speaker 3: that this effects a lot of people, and it affects
Speaker 3: people mentally, I think more than it does financially most
Speaker 3: I mean, well, not more than. Let's say, it affects
Speaker 3: more people mentally than it does people financially directly, because
Speaker 3: it literally sets people's minds going in a certain way
Speaker 3: about how the conditions are in the country, even if
Speaker 3: they're not directly involved in the stock market. Right, So
Speaker 3: I know that it's one of those things, like you
Speaker 3: know again, I mean Trump the example, why not you know,
Speaker 3: when the stock market's up, He's like, hey, it's up
Speaker 3: because I'm doing a good job. Doesn't mean that it
Speaker 3: has anything to do with him, but he'll take that
Speaker 3: credit and most people will accept that, and other people
Speaker 3: do that too. You know what the market's doing, well,
Speaker 3: that means I'm doing a good job. America is in
Speaker 3: good shape. Well, here's the strange thing. There's very bipolar
Speaker 3: reactions happening to like everything every other day seems like,
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's the tariffs or the you know,
Speaker 3: a parent or upcoming or possible trade wars or deep
Speaker 3: mass deportations, how's that could effect us? Or or now
Speaker 3: now we're gonna we're gonna own the Godza strip all
Speaker 3: those things, right, and the market is moving based on
Speaker 3: some of these things. Uh, but what I don't know
Speaker 3: how to even follow what's happening, Like, is the market
Speaker 3: now even though it was the fast moving thing before,
Speaker 3: is it moving too slow to keep up with the
Speaker 3: latest declaration and the latest thing that the latest shockwave
Speaker 3: we're all like riding on. How do you think that's going, Mike?
Speaker 3: I mean, is that is that a truism? I mean,
Speaker 3: help me understand this.
Speaker 4: Well, it went up the last two years back to back.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but they pay no attention to that because
Speaker 3: Biden is blown. I mean, look, everything sucked for us,
Speaker 3: so Biden was blowing up the economy and most people
Speaker 3: think the market must not have been going. Nobody talked
Speaker 3: about it really past two years, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: It wasn't the mainstream focus. But police continue the past
Speaker 3: two years went up, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, it's unlikely.
Speaker 4: You know, if a financial market goes up two years
Speaker 4: twenty percent, it's not likely to do that again. And
Speaker 4: then in the third year it's likely to actually do
Speaker 4: very little. And since Trump's been in office, Uh, there
Speaker 4: been two moments where the stock market had a big
Speaker 4: down opening but then came back.
Speaker 2: And one was a couple of weeks ago, the news was.
Speaker 4: That China has some AI app that's competing with Google
Speaker 4: and Apple and who you know these American AI companies, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this this thing, they're right. And then this Monday when
Speaker 4: the tariff, Trump's tariff announcements hit the market.
Speaker 2: But both at times happened.
Speaker 4: The market turned around and rallied and it really had
Speaker 4: no impact. Now, the action two weeks ago is very
Speaker 4: interesting because a lot of the companies involved with AI
Speaker 4: fell substantially, one of them being Navidio, which has now
Speaker 4: become there has been one of the most widely owned
Speaker 4: stocks and the entire stock market among people because it's
Speaker 4: been one of the best performing stocks.
Speaker 2: It fell seventeen percent two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: That Monday, but the market averages didn't follow that much.
Speaker 4: And what happened was that individual people investors. They used
Speaker 4: it as a buying opportunity. They buy ETFs and other stocks,
Speaker 4: and they do this all the time, every single day.
Speaker 4: And as long as they have jobs and don't need
Speaker 4: to take the money out of their accounts, they're like,
Speaker 4: they're just going to keep doing this, and they're they're
Speaker 4: helping provide a cushion for the stock market, uh and
Speaker 4: all that. So that's one thing helping the market stay afloat.
Speaker 4: But as I said before, when something has a big
Speaker 4: move in two years, typically it'll eventually go sideways and
Speaker 4: not do anything for nut for a year or six
Speaker 4: months or twelve months or a little longer. I think
Speaker 4: that's really what's happening in the big picture, and these
Speaker 4: you know, daily moves up and down. I don't think
Speaker 4: a really it's going to mean that much. I just
Speaker 4: I don't really think much is going to happen in
Speaker 4: the stock market, and probably not even the economy, uh
Speaker 4: for that matter.
Speaker 3: Well, it does get people's attention, right, And I'd say
Speaker 3: something else I thought of, Well, you and I hadn't
Speaker 3: spoken that I saw and it's exactly the opposite of
Speaker 3: what we were just talking about, is uh, you see
Speaker 3: this algorithm based on Paul and Nancy Pelosi's stock moves,
Speaker 3: like they're tracking what they're doing and offering it as
Speaker 3: like a trading uh saw.
Speaker 2: And it's exactly the right.
Speaker 3: Did you see that where they offered as a you know,
Speaker 3: like a trading algorithm like follow this the Paul and
Speaker 3: Nancy plan or whatever.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, but I believe yeah, selling something
Speaker 4: like that, I can believe it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought it was hilarious. And I thought to
Speaker 3: you immediately, not because you would do something like that,
Speaker 3: but because I knew it was like Michael would definitely
Speaker 3: call this out as you know, of course, this is
Speaker 3: some new gimmick. And that's the thing about the stock
Speaker 3: market is no matter what, there's always a new a
Speaker 3: new gimmick with the you know, with some other new
Speaker 3: way to like, you know, whether it's Robin Hood or
Speaker 3: it's you know, uh. In the nineties, I think it
Speaker 3: was bigger with the with it day traders were like, hey,
Speaker 3: now you could just sit at home and trade, you know,
Speaker 3: and stuff like this, like they were offering access uh
Speaker 3: and and different access points and then different strategies, and
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's what that business has become, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, this is I think partially why you sort
Speaker 3: of got out of it, or am I wrong about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, you're right, it's it's it's a lot of
Speaker 4: carnival barking.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean this is partially why, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I've stepped away from the labels of like alternative media
Speaker 3: and all, because it's like, no, I don't want to
Speaker 3: be associated with these characters that are doing certain things
Speaker 3: or claiming certain things. I don't want to be anywhere
Speaker 3: near it anymore because it's it just doesn't you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't stand with the results that people are going
Speaker 3: to get out of it. I don't want to be
Speaker 3: even remotely associated. And that might be where you're at too,
Speaker 3: you know, you like you actually have an idea that
Speaker 3: you don't want to harm people.
Speaker 4: Right you know, well, yeah, this sort of stuff in
Speaker 4: the financial markets, you know, right, Trump got inaugurated, it's
Speaker 4: not even been a month.
Speaker 2: In forty eight hours.
Speaker 4: Before he took the oath of office, he launched.
Speaker 2: A meme coin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the crypto, a.
Speaker 4: Trump meme coinin in his you know, the family did
Speaker 4: it his family business. You know, he's not at this point,
Speaker 4: you know, it's just not just him, it's the family,
Speaker 4: and it achieved evaluation instantly if billions of dollars fifty
Speaker 4: four billion I think was the number. And then they
Speaker 4: followed that up after he got in office with a
Speaker 4: Milania coin, and.
Speaker 2: It's just amazing. That's that's he is the king of crypto.
Speaker 3: Now, how did the Milania coin do? I wonder? Wonder?
Speaker 3: And also now he's actually a billionaire. I'm I mean
Speaker 3: before you could argue and you can talk about what's
Speaker 3: his debt versus and everything else, but that actually made
Speaker 3: him a millionaire. I mean you got to give him that,
Speaker 3: right yeah, yeah, But now you know, how did Malania
Speaker 3: coin do that? I mean that first initial meme coin,
Speaker 3: I was like, well, of course the people that really
Speaker 3: believe in what it is he's doing are and that's
Speaker 3: what sells something like that.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, it reached a evaluation of close to close
Speaker 4: to ten billion dollars. No, that's not bad, and it's
Speaker 4: fallen though it's now only worth seven hundred million. But
Speaker 4: you know the thing about it is that for the Trumps,
Speaker 4: that's didn't cost them anything to do, right, you know,
Speaker 4: that's just money out of thin air that they create
Speaker 4: in the crypto market, and some people are arguing that
Speaker 4: this is a very correc thing for them to have done.
Speaker 4: To take advantage of, you know, going into office and
Speaker 4: doing something like that, you kind of have to go
Speaker 4: back to the Coolidge administration or really the the what's
Speaker 4: his name, the Grant administration. There is a manipulation in
Speaker 4: the price of gold that took place in the Grand administration,
Speaker 4: not by the President himself, but by some people who
Speaker 4: were associated with them and used that relationship to operate
Speaker 4: at what that time was a criminal operation. This though,
Speaker 4: is not really a regulated market, and they've promised to
Speaker 4: eliminate any regulations that are out there. That said, there
Speaker 4: is an internet celebrity last year to talk to a
Speaker 4: girl who in December created a coin, probably under the
Speaker 4: influence of other people.
Speaker 2: I doubt she knew what she was getting involved in.
Speaker 4: It crashed, and ever since then she's completely vanished and
Speaker 4: she's being charged with crimes.
Speaker 3: Well, so, I mean, a weird thing happened a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago with that guy, mister Beast too, right
Speaker 3: where there was like some sort of mister Beast coin
Speaker 3: that was creative. And the weird thing about that is
Speaker 3: that it's kind of not clear as to whether he
Speaker 3: even knew about it. And that's a strange thing where
Speaker 3: at certain points, I mean, there's a lot of shady
Speaker 3: stuff that's gone on.
Speaker 4: Well, now you know, we've just spoken about the official,
Speaker 4: the real Donald Trump coin. Now there's all these knockoffs,
Speaker 4: you know, Maggot coin this, and you know, stuff with
Speaker 4: Trump's name in it, and people were really trying to
Speaker 4: fool people into thinking they're Trump when they're not a
Speaker 4: very horrible thing to do, but.
Speaker 3: It's just like, but it's just like that thing I
Speaker 3: told about it the flea market where you got like
Speaker 3: the Maga you know, a stall at the flea market
Speaker 3: where yeah, they're selling the Maga hats and all that.
Speaker 3: And the funny thing is though they're not actually the
Speaker 3: things that the president is selling. They're not being sold
Speaker 3: by the virtual campaigner.
Speaker 2: Whether you know.
Speaker 4: About saying it's a corrupt act, some people say that, but.
Speaker 2: That's the funther thing. You agree with that or not.
Speaker 3: That's the funny thing to me is that even though
Speaker 3: I'm one of these guys who is, like you know,
Speaker 3: almost always first to tell you, look, Trump is corrupt
Speaker 3: or whatever, in this case, he's actually taken advantage of
Speaker 3: a pocket of time where there's no regulation, saying that
Speaker 3: there's really nothing wrong with what he did.
Speaker 2: He's not broken any lost.
Speaker 4: What he has done is review revealed the true purpose
Speaker 4: of the crypto market, right.
Speaker 2: That's the crate.
Speaker 4: Riches overnight for people who can create these coins or
Speaker 4: manipulate these coins. And I understand it only costs like
Speaker 4: less than ten thousand dollars maybe five or six to
Speaker 4: create a coin yourself.
Speaker 2: Anyone can create a coin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just got to get people.
Speaker 2: To buy it a few it's the hard part.
Speaker 3: A few years ago, I don't know if we you
Speaker 3: and I talked about this a few years ago. There
Speaker 3: was a way, maybe like five six years ago, there
Speaker 3: wasn't even cheaper methodology to creating a coin, and like
Speaker 3: you were, you and I could have created coins. And
Speaker 3: I remember talking with you about this and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, we could just make coins, but I don't
Speaker 3: think it would it's not going to do as any good.
Speaker 3: And even if so, they're gonna be worth two dollars apiece,
Speaker 3: you know, but hell, it would be a fictitious thing.
Speaker 3: Like I told you about how they sell magic cards
Speaker 3: online and you get, you know, a picture of a
Speaker 3: magic card and it says you own it and whatever,
Speaker 3: and it goes into your little wallet that you can
Speaker 3: use in the game or whatever. But that's it. It
Speaker 3: doesn't actually physically exist. There's no tangible you know, resale
Speaker 3: value except to somebody else who thinks it has value.
Speaker 3: And that's the way it is. And that's what this is, is
Speaker 3: a giant like landscape of these things now right or
Speaker 3: am i or am I seeing this?
Speaker 2: That's what it is, you know, thousands of them.
Speaker 3: I think it's like in the days when again in
Speaker 3: the nineties right there, there were the when the big
Speaker 3: old online games came out and you started being able
Speaker 3: to sell like your gold pieces from the game. People
Speaker 3: would sell them on eBay and people were like upset
Speaker 3: about it, like how are you selling these fake gold
Speaker 3: pieces for real money? And I'm like, because somebody wants them,
Speaker 3: And that's the nature of that. That that's like the
Speaker 3: nature of everything is it only has value if somebody
Speaker 3: believes it does. And that's the way everything works. You know, Like,
Speaker 3: why is it that, for instance, you know, a loap
Speaker 3: of bread is only this amount of money because that's
Speaker 3: what people figure it's worth. You know, you get a
Speaker 3: couple of days worth of food out of it, or
Speaker 3: you can feed a couple of people with a loap
Speaker 3: of bread. Therefore it's worth a couple of bucks. And
Speaker 3: that's it. That's the way this works. And you know,
Speaker 3: most places and most producers of any product, whether it's
Speaker 3: something practical or otherwise, will usually find their spot in
Speaker 3: the market and sell it at the maximum value they
Speaker 3: can get. And that's I don't know the way the
Speaker 3: world works. Maybe I'm crazy. So whether it's a physical,
Speaker 3: tangible thing or it's imaginary, it's kind of irrelevant because
Speaker 3: it just is. And at this time now, one could
Speaker 3: argue that he has control over the things that should
Speaker 3: be regulating this, that should be looking into this, and
Speaker 3: obviously he's not going to bust himself. But isn't it
Speaker 3: weird a couple of years from now, somebody might have
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of regulations in place where we look
Speaker 3: back on this and go, gee, you know, if these
Speaker 3: regulations were there, Trump would have really been in trouble
Speaker 3: for real. But maybe not. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know how this is going to go or
Speaker 3: if it's going to be one of those things that
Speaker 3: disappears or what I mean. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I remember at one point somehow the bitcoin was on
Speaker 3: literally the same a server that was carrying the Magic cards.
Speaker 3: That's why I brought up to magic cards in the
Speaker 3: first place. It was the mount Gox scandal. Do you
Speaker 3: remember that.
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, sure, it was a crypto crash, exchange crash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because all of a sudden nobody could get a
Speaker 3: hold of the exchange that was held under the Magic
Speaker 3: Cards and I knew about the Magic Cards server, and yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what happened, is that somebody didn't have a key
Speaker 3: anymore to something and boom. These people that had you know,
Speaker 3: money invested, they couldn't get their coins. They were just
Speaker 3: locked off. Boom gone. You know. And there's a strange
Speaker 3: thing at the center of bitcoin anyway, where there's like,
Speaker 3: you know, a trillion dollars worth of coin now sitting
Speaker 3: in a wallet that was allegedly created by the creator
Speaker 3: of the coin in the first place, that has never
Speaker 3: been accessed. And I'm sure you know about that too, right.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's a weird world. It is not.
Speaker 3: In one way, it's very understandable way everything works. Something
Speaker 3: new comes into existence and then finds a market value
Speaker 3: and there it is, or it doesn't and it goes away,
Speaker 3: you know, sort of like the idea of like, why
Speaker 3: is it that people are you know, hey, where can
Speaker 3: I buy a VCR mike? You can't generally speaking, I mean,
Speaker 3: you might be able to find one, but nobody's making
Speaker 3: them because people are not demanding them, so therefore no VCRs. Okay,
Speaker 3: But in the case of if there's a demand for something,
Speaker 3: you'll be able to get a price for it, cheap
Speaker 3: or expensive or what doesn't matter. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't see the foul even it's a little weird
Speaker 3: and it seems a little suspect that, you know, right
Speaker 3: before he goes into office, let me let me now
Speaker 3: become a billionaire for real?
Speaker 2: But what the hell?
Speaker 3: I actually don't see where somebody can legitimately complain about
Speaker 3: it anyway. I'm sorry, go ahead, but what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts on that? I mean, I'm breaking it down from
Speaker 3: a very common standpoint here, but this just seems to
Speaker 3: be the way of the world to me.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's the king of crypto, more is.
Speaker 3: I don't know, he's also got I know, he got
Speaker 3: a season desist from the guitar people. You see that
Speaker 3: because he got the you know, the Trump guitars and okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: it looks too much like I forget Les Paul or
Speaker 3: one of the one of the big guitar makers like
Speaker 3: sent to the season to assist because it's way too
Speaker 3: much like their design, you know, his mega guitar. Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: And but but things, you know what, give it enough time.
Speaker 3: Things change. I mean, at one point, didn't he just
Speaker 3: perform with the village people too? And for a little while,
Speaker 3: weren't they saying they didn't really want him using their song?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just saying, just saying things are changing.
Speaker 3: So uh, you know, who am I to argue? Well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna argue all the time, but it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: I'm gonna win any argument or anybody else is. So
Speaker 3: it is what it is. Uh, And you got to
Speaker 3: recognize that some things are just gonna go that way.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the attitude I'm trying to take. Am
Speaker 3: I crazy, What do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 4: I think what I really think is that right now,
Speaker 4: you know, she's got in office. We've been we had
Speaker 4: him as president before, and he.
Speaker 2: Learned from that.
Speaker 4: How it set up an agenda for what he wants
Speaker 4: to do now at the same time, the yah, it's
Speaker 4: just this is the call before the storm. That's what
Speaker 4: it is. This is the golden age right now, you're
Speaker 4: in it. This is the Trump Golden Age.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: The problem is it's probably not going to last, for
Speaker 4: He's not going to feel like a golden age in
Speaker 4: a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on who you are, doesn't it. Because
Speaker 3: you know, right now, you could be upset that they're
Speaker 3: charging fifty cents more at the waffle house when you
Speaker 3: add an egg, right it could be that you could
Speaker 3: be mad about the price is not going down. You
Speaker 3: could be mad about the Ukraine War not stopping. Or
Speaker 3: you could be happy that things are going the way
Speaker 3: that you think they're supposed to go. It's a multiple choice.
Speaker 3: At this point, it seems to me, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And I don't know, it's very, very weird
Speaker 3: to observe, like I'm trying to find like actual opposition
Speaker 3: to what's going on because there's a big media shift
Speaker 3: and I told people this was happening, and of course
Speaker 3: I'm crazy, but you know, the media has gone pretty
Speaker 3: much normal with this whole Trump thing, and okay, great,
Speaker 3: that's the way it is. But actual opposition sounds crazier
Speaker 3: than the mainstream media used to sound because they have
Speaker 3: this weird idea that somehow the country's shifting, they're shifting
Speaker 3: against all this, and I don't buy it. I think
Speaker 3: everybody's got their own ideas about what's happening. And until
Speaker 3: the real shockwave hits from a lot of things, I mean,
Speaker 3: and it's nothing happens overnight. That's the first problem, especially
Speaker 3: with government. It's not going to move that quickly. People's
Speaker 3: attitudes change, people's impressions of what's happening changed quickly, but
Speaker 3: the actual effects do not set in right away, no
Speaker 3: matter what you want to believe. And Trump was going
Speaker 3: around meeting with people and everything even ahead of being inaugurated.
Speaker 3: And I guarantee you there was a lot of people
Speaker 3: that thought he was already president, you know, the day
Speaker 3: after the election, and in a way to them, he was.
Speaker 3: He was already their leader. So you know, who am
Speaker 3: I to argue except the facts that he hadn't actually
Speaker 3: taken office. It doesn't matter because my reality doesn't have
Speaker 3: to match yours, you know. I mean, this is the
Speaker 3: weird world we live in now. Anyway, Look what else
Speaker 3: has been on your mind though? Outside of that, Like
Speaker 3: you said, here's the golden age, but give it, give
Speaker 3: it two years and see how golden people think it is.
Speaker 3: And I agree with that always. I think that you've
Speaker 3: got wait a year before you know, even the beginning
Speaker 3: effects of a new administration coming in, a new Congress
Speaker 3: coming in. You've got to give them a year to
Speaker 3: actually get something done before you can even you know,
Speaker 3: start to feel what's really happening. That's always been my attitude.
Speaker 3: Maybe again I'm wrong about that, and I have an
Speaker 3: outdated concept of it, but you think that's the truth
Speaker 3: people need to wrap their minds around, or what.
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I mean, really the average person. You know, they get
Speaker 4: upset about who the president is. They didn't you know,
Speaker 4: they don't like this president or that president.
Speaker 2: But in the end, I don't.
Speaker 4: Actually think it makes who the president is for the
Speaker 4: average person. I don't think makes much difference to what's going.
Speaker 2: On in their day to day life.
Speaker 4: I don't think the president's policies had to give you
Speaker 4: you have that much of an impact on people's day
Speaker 4: to day life. You know, they're not going When Bush
Speaker 4: invade Iraq, you know, if you weren't in the military,
Speaker 4: it had no impact on your daily life. Unless you
Speaker 4: knew someone going over there or were in the service,
Speaker 4: it had no impact on your life.
Speaker 3: You cared about was going over there, then what do
Speaker 3: you care?
Speaker 4: And when Biden was president, you know, Trump in Biden's
Speaker 4: opponents blamed him for the inflation, right, you know, they
Speaker 4: said he was causing oil to go up because he
Speaker 4: was into environmentalism and.
Speaker 2: So forth.
Speaker 4: In reality that the oil price had almost nothing to
Speaker 4: do with the rise of inflation that took place. Biden
Speaker 4: had basically nothing to do with it either. And it's
Speaker 4: just and then the inflation is still here. You know,
Speaker 4: you cited the waffle house. They're raising the prices because
Speaker 4: of the eggs. Now, the rate of change of the
Speaker 4: prices going up is not what it was a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago, but it's still high. You know, it's
Speaker 4: higher than it was before twenty twenty. And I'm not
Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to change that much this year,
Speaker 4: but there's no reason it can't get I think it's
Speaker 4: going to get worse before before the end of Trump's term.
Speaker 4: And I'm not even saying he's responsible for it. I'm
Speaker 4: just using this as one example of the average persons
Speaker 4: to day to day life. Isn't that impacted by the president.
Speaker 4: And that's really the reality.
Speaker 2: Of how it just is.
Speaker 4: You know, back in the Middle Ages, people lived under kings,
Speaker 4: but the king had almost even less impact on their.
Speaker 2: Day to day life.
Speaker 4: In fact, one of the reasons for the rise of
Speaker 4: Christianity as we know it was because the Roman Empire
Speaker 4: was losing its influence in daily life, right, and.
Speaker 2: They and the the religion.
Speaker 4: Helped the rise of Christianity, helped people become.
Speaker 2: It helped it make it so.
Speaker 4: It wasn't just pure chaos with the Roman Empire disintegrating.
Speaker 4: People had a moral reason to treat each other well
Speaker 4: or a religious reason to treat each other well, and
Speaker 4: people were able to trust each other in a time
Speaker 4: in which the Roman Empire was debate, you know, just
Speaker 4: getting worse and worse and you know, losing its influence
Speaker 4: the period.
Speaker 2: Okay, while becoming more debased.
Speaker 4: In essence, that's in a way what's actually in some
Speaker 4: ways happening to us, to our country.
Speaker 2: We're losing our influence right in the rest of the world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we're not the sole superpower anymore.
Speaker 4: Right, And the way we're trying to the government, the
Speaker 4: way we're trying to deal with that is, you know,
Speaker 4: by acting strong against other countries. We've been using sanctions,
Speaker 4: you know, over the past twenty years against several countries
Speaker 4: as the main tool to try to influence their behavior,
Speaker 4: and there's no evidence it's ever influenced any behavior in
Speaker 4: any country. And what's Trump is simply one of the
Speaker 4: things he's doing. He's now using his mouth you were,
Speaker 4: as you know, too, to try to show strength. You know,
Speaker 4: if we can talk about annexing theoretically different countries, that sounds,
Speaker 4: you know, like we're really strong, when in reality, the
Speaker 4: peak of American strength, you know, maybe it was when
Speaker 4: the Berlin Wall fell, or maybe it was uh as
Speaker 4: World War two is coming to an end, but.
Speaker 2: It's on the downslide now.
Speaker 4: And at the same time, as a people were becoming
Speaker 4: more the government structures or our institutions are slowly have
Speaker 4: been fading to influence over people. That influence of the
Speaker 4: media in mainstream media has been in a slow decline
Speaker 4: since the Canty assassination and now it's collapsed. Absolutely nothing
Speaker 4: we've witnessed a rapid to collapse. You know, it was
Speaker 4: slowly falling, and then after the in the past couple
Speaker 4: of years, it's just collapsed to nothing. So the ratings
Speaker 4: for the television networks, you know, after the election, it collapsed,
Speaker 4: the news networks, TV completely collapse.
Speaker 3: But here's the problem, right, because TV in and of
Speaker 3: itself is becoming less relevant because it just doesn't work
Speaker 3: that way. You know, again, there was a time period
Speaker 3: when you and I were growing up. Yeah, cable TV
Speaker 3: existed the whole time, both of us were alive. By
Speaker 3: the way, cable TV existed, but it wasn't everywhere. So
Speaker 3: you and I actually saw the rise and fall of
Speaker 3: the apex of the strength of television. I saw a
Speaker 3: weird media analyst, and I don't remember where he was,
Speaker 3: but he made the argument that it actually coincides with
Speaker 3: the rise and fall of Saturday morning cartoons, which is
Speaker 3: a weird thought. But bear with me a second. You
Speaker 3: remember when each major network basically I used to watch them,
Speaker 3: you know, had Saturday morning car course to watch them.
Speaker 3: Of course you did. You and I were children in
Speaker 3: the seventies and eighties. Therefore, we watched Saturday morning cartoons.
Speaker 3: But in the mid nineties that started to end. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then by the early two thousands it was totally gone,
Speaker 3: like the very last vestige of it was like the
Speaker 3: CW was the last one to give up the ghost
Speaker 3: on the networks, you know, And the CW didn't even
Speaker 3: exist when this thing came into existence in the early sixties.
Speaker 3: But really the early sixties to the mid nineties is
Speaker 3: the time when all of that network broadcast television stuff
Speaker 3: was at its strongest. That was it, that was the
Speaker 3: big influencer, so to speak. Well, that landscape is basically gone.
Speaker 3: You know, this idea that like there's a trusted news guy,
Speaker 3: there's a trusted news source. Forget it, it's over, you know.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, it kind of went natural because
Speaker 3: people don't get around the TV. They don't centralize around
Speaker 3: the TV. You know, let's get everybody in the house
Speaker 3: around the TV or the radio or something. There's no
Speaker 3: longer that everybody pulls out a phone or a tablet
Speaker 3: and watches something that they want to watch, and nobody's
Speaker 3: watching the same stuff. There's a million options, and you
Speaker 3: don't watch them because they're being live broadcast. Usually. I mean,
Speaker 3: some things I guess people do catch live and I
Speaker 3: have trouble finding live feeds of things anymore. But the
Speaker 3: truth is that nobody cares about the live TV news
Speaker 3: broadcasts or whatever. They pick up on it later, they
Speaker 3: pick up on clips later, they go to YouTube and
Speaker 3: catch the recap. And that's the way of the world.
Speaker 3: Now that's a totally different landscape than I better be
Speaker 3: home at six o'clock. And then again, I hope i'm
Speaker 3: home at eleven so I can catch the news of
Speaker 3: the day. That's not happening anymore. And it's just like
Speaker 3: the Saturday morning cartoons that we all watched, you know,
Speaker 3: when they figured out, you know, kids are home on
Speaker 3: Saturday morning. If we put on cartoons, we can sell
Speaker 3: cereal and toys, you know. I mean it was clearly
Speaker 3: a financial decision, but it made something that was centralized,
Speaker 3: and nobody complained when the Saturday morning cartoons went away,
Speaker 3: because you could watch Saturday morning cartoons anytime. Now you
Speaker 3: want to put cartoons on for your kids. I mean,
Speaker 3: first you had vhs and you had DVDs. Now you
Speaker 3: can just stream them anytime they wake up at three
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. You want to put cartoons on
Speaker 3: for them, no problem, as long as you got a Netflix,
Speaker 3: Hulu something right. Or you know, you want to put
Speaker 3: on the Muppet Show, or you want to put on
Speaker 3: a Sesame Street. Well I think Sesame Street actually stopped production.
Speaker 3: But either way, you can put on old Sesame Street
Speaker 3: form at four am if you want, no big deal.
Speaker 3: So the landscape changed due to a natural progression, and
Speaker 3: obviously our country has changed. Now he has a change
Speaker 3: to the degree where we're dealing with you know, he
Speaker 3: makes a threat, he makes an announcement, and then figures
Speaker 3: out how to actually implement what he wants to do afterwards.
Speaker 3: I think that might be the new trend here. And
Speaker 3: I don't know who's advising him to do it this way,
Speaker 3: but it's definitely different than the last administration, seems like
Speaker 3: to me. What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly seems a lot different.
Speaker 2: I mean, for sure, I've got I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know everything going on, but nobody does.
Speaker 4: But I'll just give one example, what I do, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll just use one.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Let's just talk about one thing, like the Defense Department,
Speaker 4: you know, because that's what we're both very interested in,
Speaker 4: or I've been.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was going to ask you before we're done,
Speaker 3: what you think about Hegxith and you know and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's an alcoholic.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe he's a dry drunk, but he's I
Speaker 4: hope you know. I think he's a figurehead. I think
Speaker 4: I just actually I just watched a clip, okay of him.
Speaker 4: He had a meeting in the Pentagon with net and
Speaker 4: Yahoo and sitting next to Hecseth was the joint use
Speaker 4: of staff chairman and Ney. I was across the table
Speaker 4: and the clip was of Hegseth speaking and he said
Speaker 4: stuff that I just thought was, you know, anyone could say.
Speaker 4: The first appearance I saw him give after he was confirmed,
Speaker 4: he was coming off of an airplane. He was on
Speaker 4: an airstrip and he said some stuff that to me,
Speaker 4: when I see him speak, I don't see anyone who
Speaker 4: I think has a lot of knowledge.
Speaker 2: And he didn't in.
Speaker 4: His background have the type of experience or knowledge which
Speaker 4: would suggest that he would be able to even have
Speaker 4: this be a do a good job in his position.
Speaker 2: Now, everything I've said, you know that.
Speaker 4: The typical person who supports Trump is now going to
Speaker 4: blot out everything else I say, or they're very angry
Speaker 4: right now, you know to have said what I did.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to suggest that I think what's going
Speaker 4: on is underneath hag Seth, the Assistant Secretary of Defense
Speaker 4: and people of that level, and this all the people
Speaker 4: below them are doing all the work. In fact, I
Speaker 4: saw heg Seth make a comment I think it was
Speaker 4: during the confirmation, that's the assistant's going to do the
Speaker 4: day to day work. Well, I know, you know, both
Speaker 4: of us have studied in great detail the Kenny administration,
Speaker 4: and McNamara did day to day work. To say the
Speaker 4: guy was not working day to day is ridiculous and
Speaker 4: whatever you want to say, I want to conceive that
Speaker 4: you have a secretary Defense who's not doing day to
Speaker 4: day work. They're not a secretary Defense. So this guy,
Speaker 4: to me, is not a secretary Defense. He's a He
Speaker 4: is what he was before he got the job, a
Speaker 4: television man, a talking head. And that may be why
Speaker 4: exactly why Trump picked him. Trump they think, well, this
Speaker 4: guy's good, got a good appearance, he's good for the
Speaker 4: our you know, our audience, and he likes he's got
Speaker 4: a television experience, and you don't you can be a
Speaker 4: drunk and be good on television.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 3: Well wait a minute, I want to offer something to you, figurehead. Okay,
Speaker 3: but you and I are working off a bad premise
Speaker 3: at this point when we think this way, I think,
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you why, because.
Speaker 4: On one another element of this out it's not simply
Speaker 4: that he's a figurehead. I've left maybe the most why
Speaker 4: why him? I left something out which I think applies
Speaker 4: to all these Trump people, or a lot of them,
Speaker 4: the ones that we you know were in the news
Speaker 4: a lot Gabbared the.
Speaker 2: Cash betel fella. Yeah, none of these people.
Speaker 4: Really having a huge knowledge to put them in the
Speaker 4: position they're in. But and in some ways they're compromised
Speaker 4: in different ways. I think what that does, though, is
Speaker 4: it makes it so Trump knows they're going to be
Speaker 4: totally loyal to them, Whereas the first time around, Trump
Speaker 4: saw that some people were disloyal. This time by putting
Speaker 4: someone like Hexith in there, he knows this guy's totally
Speaker 4: going to be loyal and obedient to Trump. And that's
Speaker 4: not he's good on television. But that loyalty factor is
Speaker 4: what's key. So if the assistant secretary or something you know,
Speaker 4: don't aren't doing right. HEGXITH will fix that situation and
Speaker 4: fire for Trump. You know, in Trump's minds, that may
Speaker 4: be the reason that's set up this way. I don't know,
Speaker 4: what do you think speculating?
Speaker 3: I have another speculation on this, which is that this
Speaker 3: comes from a managerial philosophy. There are people that you know,
Speaker 3: they run their company. They run their company right, they
Speaker 3: are at the head because they really are involved. As
Speaker 3: matter of fact, they get too deep into micromanaging sometimes
Speaker 3: and they got to pull back because they're running too
Speaker 3: much stuff. There are other people get into the executive
Speaker 3: position and they know that the people below them are
Speaker 3: going to do more work than they are. That's just
Speaker 3: you know, that's what they earned. They figure by getting
Speaker 3: to that top tier position, and that is the way
Speaker 3: that they'll function. And those are two different managerial philosophies.
Speaker 3: You know, there is the manager who's like and you
Speaker 3: worked in retail also, and so I had likened it
Speaker 3: to the different retail managers that I run into. And
Speaker 3: when I worked in retail, I was the kind of
Speaker 3: manager who, you know, what, if there was nobody to
Speaker 3: cover a shift, I covered it. You know what I'm
Speaker 3: saying if there was something that needed to be done
Speaker 3: and it wasn't getting done by workers for some reason,
Speaker 3: I would go and do it. I would find a
Speaker 3: way to get it done. I didn't just leave it
Speaker 3: to the staff to figure out. I didn't have good
Speaker 3: assistant managers. Let's say, I could never find somebody that
Speaker 3: I could rely on almost as much as myself. So
Speaker 3: I took it upon myself to run most aspects. Now,
Speaker 3: did that make it harder on me personally? Yes, But
Speaker 3: in a way I owned things though. When things went right,
Speaker 3: I knew why they went right. When they went wrong,
Speaker 3: I knew why they went wrong. I didn't just, you know,
Speaker 3: gather up the explanation and report to you know, the
Speaker 3: people that were above my head or the people that
Speaker 3: you know would come and ask me questions. I didn't
Speaker 3: just report to them because I had an idea what
Speaker 3: was happening. I was involved with everything, right. That's one
Speaker 3: way to go. But another way to go is, look, actually,
Speaker 3: these people do most of the work, and I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna go out and report on what's happening and take
Speaker 3: credit for it. Now, like I said, it's two different
Speaker 3: management styles, and Trump is definitely the kind of guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the guy, he's built things. He's
Speaker 3: a real estate Do you think he actually knows how
Speaker 3: to build anything or knows anything about you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, or anything really about real estate beyond a
Speaker 3: couple of things, you know, Does he actually know about banking?
Speaker 3: Does he know about the loans that he took and
Speaker 3: things that he I don't think so. I think that
Speaker 3: quite honestly, he's just the guy who goes out and
Speaker 3: he sells the brand and he's the ultimate sales guy.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the way these positions are cash.
Speaker 3: Pttel is not an FBI guy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Where's his experience in law enforcement in you know, battling
Speaker 3: organized criminal organizations? Seriously, this guy knows anything about that. Nope,
Speaker 3: E Seth. Has he ever had a position where he
Speaker 3: ran anything that was you know, large, a large or
Speaker 3: I mean he probably had a little staff at Fox,
Speaker 3: you know, of his own that he was in charge of, right,
Speaker 3: a couple interns, maybe a secretary, But he never ran
Speaker 3: a large organization. He's got no idea what the logistical
Speaker 3: problems are with that. I mean seriously, I mean, if
Speaker 3: you've never ran employees. If you've never even done that,
Speaker 3: then you have no idea the type of things that
Speaker 3: come up, what it is you're going to have to
Speaker 3: either eat or prepare contingencies for you don't know. So
Speaker 3: you can do one of two things. You can either
Speaker 3: put an array of people in that you know know.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that we're some people are nervous about,
Speaker 3: is that the array of people under them is going
Speaker 3: to get, you know, decimated by these purges and stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, they fire enough of the competent people, there
Speaker 3: won't be anybody left except the guys who can talk
Speaker 3: to the cameras. Right, But there you go. It's a
Speaker 3: different management style, and actually, quite frankly, this is more
Speaker 3: the real Donald Trump. Last time he had some people
Speaker 3: in there that you know, might have gotten in under
Speaker 3: somebody else, even Pompeo, who I definitely disagreed with as
Speaker 3: the head of the CIA, for God's sake, and definitely
Speaker 3: would they just switched him to Secretary of State if
Speaker 3: I remember correctly, And I'm like, what in the hell
Speaker 3: this guy? But he actually had some qualification, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. He had been exposed to some of
Speaker 3: this stuff before, he had managed things in the government.
Speaker 3: He knew what was available and what was not, and
Speaker 3: what the government was supposed to do. He had some
Speaker 3: concept of it. I don't think Cash Mattel even knows
Speaker 3: the full extent of what the FBI does, or you know,
Speaker 3: or people he's putting in in different positions. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I know this is going to make.
Speaker 4: Well, wow, he did write a cartoon book Trump.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, thank you for making my point. It's you know,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, though, what do you think
Speaker 3: about that? I mean, again, I'm trying to be optimistic here.
Speaker 3: The idea that I mean, the Elon Musk thing is
Speaker 3: a whole other animal. But as far as these people
Speaker 3: that they put in, and like I said, some of
Speaker 3: the opposition is saying, oh, look at all the incompetent people. Really,
Speaker 3: if they're not the ones doing the actual work and
Speaker 3: they're just the ones out there making the statements, then
Speaker 3: it's a matter of all right, everybody, relax, it's just
Speaker 3: the guy out there talking. You know, Like, have you
Speaker 3: ever been exposed to a business where the boss does
Speaker 3: not know what's actually going on? The guy who owns
Speaker 3: the business never really knows what's actually happening with the business.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I can believe that happens.
Speaker 3: I've seen it, believe me. It's it's a thing where
Speaker 3: sometimes yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah I have, Yes I have.
Speaker 3: Actually, yes, you get a guy he's got his money
Speaker 3: in there, and yes I have, and yes he owns it,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't know anything about it except I own
Speaker 3: that store. Yeah, and that's it, right. But the people
Speaker 3: that work there, they know what goes into it, they
Speaker 3: know what needs to be ordered on a weekly basis,
Speaker 3: they know what they actually sell, they know how successful
Speaker 3: they have been or haven't been. And this guy's just like,
Speaker 3: I'm the owner. So there's a way looking at this.
Speaker 3: Is that what's happening now? I'm seeing it that way
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to suggest.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you and I were saying the same thing,
Speaker 3: just different ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I would saying that's what they're what's the
Speaker 4: word for it, that's the work they're doing. But they're
Speaker 4: chosen to do this work because they're toy loyal to Trump.
Speaker 2: For different reasons, you know. Oh yeah, no, the cash.
Speaker 4: But tell guy I think has attached himself to Trump
Speaker 4: and for several years. Uh Hegsith, you know, is a
Speaker 4: TV guy and they're just totally loyal to Trump.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, no, that's that's definitely part of the equation. But
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is, look, I don't care about who's
Speaker 3: loyal to him and not he does. But what I'm
Speaker 3: saying is just from our outside perspective, I mean, does
Speaker 3: it matter to you at all how loyal somebody is
Speaker 3: to Trump? No, I'd rather that, you know, I got
Speaker 3: that stupid old idea that they should be loyal to
Speaker 3: the country. But the thing is, I don't care. What
Speaker 3: I care about is that we don't have incompetence in there.
Speaker 3: That's just you know, clearly uninformed and unaware that could
Speaker 3: do well.
Speaker 2: That's what's scary.
Speaker 4: You know, Like you go back to when Kenny was president,
Speaker 4: the qu A missile crisis and MacNamara's involvement and helping
Speaker 4: to build a strategy that the blockete that used against Cuba.
Speaker 4: You know, what would Hesith be doing if he was
Speaker 4: mac Nomarra. That's that's scary.
Speaker 3: Well, because I'm crazy and I watched old I've always
Speaker 3: watched an analyzed old news footage, and I know we've
Speaker 3: only got like nine minutes left with you. But the
Speaker 3: thing is that McNamara was one of those people actually
Speaker 3: that when Kennedy picked him, he was controversial as like, Okay,
Speaker 3: the guy ran the Ford Motor Company. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: had a job with a bank, but or you know,
Speaker 3: some executive position with a bank. But is this guy
Speaker 3: going to be able to run the Department of Defense?
Speaker 3: Now if you compare you know, macnamara to Hexeth, okay, seriously,
Speaker 3: I mean there's absolutely no comparison. But at that time
Speaker 3: people were like, well, the guy doesn't have you know,
Speaker 3: the military grit. He might have run Ford, but he
Speaker 3: never ran something as you know, expansive as the Pentagon
Speaker 3: could be, you know. And and that's a different culture.
Speaker 3: That's the other thing. It's totally different culture.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Heseths has the you know, the supposed benefit. What was
Speaker 3: he a corporal right at one point, so he actually
Speaker 3: served in the military. But other than that, what does
Speaker 3: he have for managerial experience in any arena like this? Nothing?
Speaker 3: And McNamara they were challenging even though he ran one
Speaker 3: of the larger companies in the country before that, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So it is a different era
Speaker 3: at this point. And the other thing about the different era,
Speaker 3: and I want to get your view on this and
Speaker 3: let you run out the clock any which way you
Speaker 3: want after that is what I'm What I'm taking note
Speaker 3: of is the things that are being said, whether it's
Speaker 3: by the President or his representatives, or it's the talking
Speaker 3: points that are going out and conservative media or anything else.
Speaker 3: The amazing thing to me is that this stuff would
Speaker 3: have been like earth shattering crazy headlines like during many
Speaker 3: other administrations. If you know, if Ronald Reagan had even
Speaker 3: said We're gonna go ahead and own Gaza, Okay, I mean,
Speaker 3: because Trump said We're going to own Gaza. Now that's
Speaker 3: quite a statement. People would have objected to the use
Speaker 3: of the word own. People would have maybe objected to
Speaker 3: us getting involved at all. People would have said, what
Speaker 3: in the hell is he talking about. We don't own that,
Speaker 3: you know, but Israel owns it, the Palestinians own it.
Speaker 3: Whatever your point of view is America doesn't own Gaza
Speaker 3: and can't own Gaza, but he's talking about it like
Speaker 3: We're going to go into des Moines and build, you know,
Speaker 3: major developments and create a whole new living space in
Speaker 3: that city. He's talking about it like a real estate deal.
Speaker 3: If any other president had done that, people would have
Speaker 3: freaked out. You know, we're going to go into a
Speaker 3: foreign country and own it. Well, I mean that's pretty
Speaker 3: much what we've done in some cases where we kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, you break it, you bought it, Like the
Speaker 3: whole problem with the Rock, right once we decapitated the
Speaker 3: regime and took out the military, we kind of broke
Speaker 3: a country and we kind of had to take it
Speaker 3: over for a while, but we didn't own it. The
Speaker 3: whole goal was to hand it back to the people
Speaker 3: at some point. And he kind of suggests that we're
Speaker 3: gonna own it and then we're gonna hand it back
Speaker 3: to them. We're gonna hand it back to somebody because
Speaker 3: we're all kinds of people from everywhere are gonna come
Speaker 3: to Gaza. You know, it's gonna be the what did
Speaker 3: he say, the riviera of the of the uh of
Speaker 3: the Middle East? That would be like people would be
Speaker 3: asking was the president drunk during other administrations and what
Speaker 3: does this mean? And he said this stuff literally from
Speaker 3: prepared statement in front of Netanyahu. You know, this is
Speaker 3: not like some weird off the cuff he didn't know.
Speaker 3: As Mike was on thing, this is straight up the
Speaker 3: language he's using. People would freak out about. But that's
Speaker 3: not the time period in which we live. Like I said,
Speaker 3: you know, you can if you consider the comparison between McNamara,
Speaker 3: who you bring up, and hag sets and like I said,
Speaker 3: people doubting that mcnameric could handle a Pentagon coming off
Speaker 3: of running Ford Motor Company and being an executive at
Speaker 3: a bank or whatever. I forget what the whole thing
Speaker 3: his whole resume was, but it wasn't military. It wasn't like, oh,
Speaker 3: primarily he's a military guy who understands that culture and
Speaker 3: knows what they need and knows how to fight a war.
Speaker 3: Nobody would have thought that, uh. And there was open
Speaker 3: speculation about why is Kennedy picking Ford Motor Company guy
Speaker 3: to run? Right?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: And that's what I saw in the news at the time.
Speaker 3: And that's back when you know, the news wasn't as
Speaker 3: abrasive and there was only three networks, et cetera. But
Speaker 3: broadcast news was openly asking, you know, is John is
Speaker 3: McNamara qualified to be this? You know, the Secretary of Defense,
Speaker 3: hag Seth, you know, if you're in conservative media, of
Speaker 3: course he is. And if you're not and you're the opposition,
Speaker 3: of course he's not. But again, different management styles. Is
Speaker 3: he useful in the different different management style? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess we're going to find out. And I'm just
Speaker 3: hoping there's enough people to keep things, you know, at
Speaker 3: least stable, even if they want to dismantle it. You
Speaker 3: don't want total chaos, So you know, do we have
Speaker 3: enough people in place to not have chaos occur? Is
Speaker 3: the open question, I guess. But you know, we're not
Speaker 3: going to know that until it happens, I think, And
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be optimistic about this. What do you think?
Speaker 4: I it seems pretty I don't know, We'll see.
Speaker 3: No general generally. By the way, I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3: I agree with everything you said, but I'm just saying that.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, I'm trying to be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: is this really as bad as it looks to me
Speaker 3: in my mind? Or is my concept of this coming
Speaker 3: at it from the wrong angle? I mean, I always
Speaker 3: ask those questions, and I'm trying to give the benefit
Speaker 3: of the doubts to the Fox News host that has
Speaker 3: been put at the head of the the pedagon, and
Speaker 3: I really am uh seriously, but I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's gonna work. But we're gonna find out
Speaker 3: one way or another, aren't we. And are you know anyway,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you had any thoughts about the
Speaker 3: whole we're going to own Gaza and all that, and uh,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe you do, maybe you don't, or maybe you
Speaker 3: want to close out with something else. But I'll give
Speaker 3: the floor to you for the last couple of minutes
Speaker 3: and then we'll let you go. And I really appreciate
Speaker 3: you coming back on. I hope you're going to be
Speaker 3: back on a little more regular at least once a
Speaker 3: month or something, please, because I need the sane person
Speaker 3: to talk to.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to think about the statement. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 4: when I saw it, I was disgusted, you know, the
Speaker 4: idea of sending uh, didn't we learn anything from Iraq?
Speaker 2: You know, didn't we learn any you know?
Speaker 4: He he he's Trump said he Iraq was a mistake.
Speaker 4: Now he wants this would be an even bigger mistake.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's crazy, so I think it was a
Speaker 4: you know, it's also bizarre because when you if you
Speaker 4: go back and look at that, it's even as if
Speaker 4: net and Yahoo had no idea. You know, he had
Speaker 4: of this by language a look on his face. He
Speaker 4: was excited and gleeful to see that. You know, apparently
Speaker 4: the United States is willing to do anything for Israel
Speaker 4: at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was caught off guard, but he
Speaker 3: was happy.
Speaker 2: He certainly caught off guard, but it's very excited about it.
Speaker 3: But he was happy, like yeah, like you said, you're
Speaker 3: going to be able to do what we want here, Okay.
Speaker 2: Basically Trump is saying where your sucker? You know, That's
Speaker 2: how I see it.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but that is how I see it too.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, the other weird question here,
Speaker 3: you gott why why does he make the statement? Well,
Speaker 3: you got to ask this though, and again this is
Speaker 3: me trying to be real optimistic. So I'm just going
Speaker 3: to throw my last crazy at you, is that maybe
Speaker 3: the totally unorthodox approach will accomplish something. Because as far
Speaker 3: as I'm concerned, the whole time you and I have
Speaker 3: been alive, whether it was during the time period where
Speaker 3: you know, yes er Arafat was actually you know, Hamas
Speaker 3: was trying to kill yes Er Arafat. People have this
Speaker 3: weird idea that like Arafat and the PLO was on
Speaker 3: the same exact side as Hamas. And this is a
Speaker 3: much more subdivided thing than people think it is. It's
Speaker 3: not just a matter of pro Palestinian anti Palestinian blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. It's not. It's just it's not that simple.
Speaker 3: But is the way to destroy something this complex or
Speaker 3: to reset it and make it actually work? Is it
Speaker 3: radical change? And is it the radical change that really, truthfully,
Speaker 3: only our military, massive military is capable of doing. Is
Speaker 3: that possible that that's really where we're at now at
Speaker 3: this point? Is that the only solution? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I know, matter of fact, that's that's
Speaker 3: my most recent statement. I don't know about everything. It
Speaker 3: seems like, you know, I don't know what to make
Speaker 3: of it. I don't know where it's going to go,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how it's going to turn out.
Speaker 3: I've got no predictions except it's going to be different
Speaker 3: somehow or other, and it could be at the end
Speaker 3: of the day. By the way, a lot of lip
Speaker 3: service just to float ideas and see if he provokes
Speaker 3: somebody to come around and say, look, lunatic, you're doing
Speaker 3: the wrong thing. But I got the solution. I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe that's the strategy here. What are your final thoughts.
Speaker 4: Mike, Well, we'll find out, and we'll definitely talk more
Speaker 4: this year, you know, maybe once a month or so.
Speaker 3: That's that. I'm really looking forward to that. And again,
Speaker 3: you know, you guys ought to go and yes, sign
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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to the next book by author Mike
Speaker 3: Swanson and looking forward to what it is we can possibly,
Speaker 3: uh you know, gain out of your brain over this
Speaker 3: next year because I'm gonna need somebody, like I said, again,
Speaker 3: sane and rational to talk to because otherwise this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Time to me.
Speaker 3: But then again, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is exactly
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