WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:04.559 Golf Smarter number four hundred eleven, published on November nineteen, 2 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:05.799 twenty thirteen. 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:10.960 Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:14.599 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:20.640 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 6 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:25.519 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:29.160 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:32.479 My biggest deal is is I never want a three touch. 9 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:34.799 If I can hit the ball within twenty feet as 10 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:36.679 the hole and I can play most of them, I'm 11 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:38.439 going to make three or four. It's all of a sudden, 12 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:40.560 I'm shooting three under, you know, And that's what I 13 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:43.320 strive to do. I never want a three touch. And 14 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:46.280 the consistency with my putter. If you cast the plutter, 15 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:48.600 if you heat a piece of material up and let 16 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:51.359 it cool off, it's going to be hotspots in that putter. 17 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:53.520 There will be places on that face or the wall 18 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.280 will jump off faster than others, and places that are 19 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:58.600 dead when they win is seated up, you know, those 20 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.039 molecules will run and they'll stay there at when the cools, 21 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.560 they'll stay out there too. We're seeing the putters, it's 22 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.000 the same all the way across that face, so it's 23 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:09.040 always going to feel the same. That's why I don't 24 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:12.480 do any putters with inserts, because inserts number one, they 25 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.879 will move number two if the temperature changes by or 26 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.000 ten degrease the fuel or an insert change, so it's 27 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.079 like you're putting it's a different putter. I want this 28 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:23.680 putter to feel the same if you're playing in one 29 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.519 hundred and twenty degree heat or you're playing at forty degrees. 30 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.519 Is a thirty mile an mile win and having it rain, 31 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:31.200 and it's going to feel the same every time you 32 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:34.680 stroke it, and that's going to want build confidence and repeatability. 33 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:43.480 How to pick your perfect putter with Kenny Janini. This 34 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:49.200 is Golf Smarter. Welcome to Golf Smarter for members only. Kenny, Well, 35 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:49.920 thank you very much. 36 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:50.879 Bred I'm glad to be here. 37 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:53.719 This is interesting. I'm recording this late at night. We 38 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.840 never do nighttime recordings, and I'm excited that we're both 39 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.760 kind of sitting back, relaxed. We've had dinner, glass of wine, 40 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:03.040 and now it's time to talk about putters. 41 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:06.120 Well, it's sure is. I'm excited about it. 42 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:10.439 Not as excited as I am. So what I wanted 43 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:16.319 to focus on this conversation is the consumer and what 44 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:19.120 they need to know if they want to build the 45 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.120 perfect putter for themselves, all the different elements that they 46 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:24.960 should be looking at, as opposed to walking in a 47 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:28.919 store where they have this little practice putting green that's 48 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:33.639 kind of filtered right into a hole and not really knowing, 49 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:35.879 just like putting a club in your hand, going yeah, 50 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.360 this is the right one for me. Is that the 51 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:39.599 best way to buy a putter. 52 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:43.120 No, that's not the way to buy a putter. 53 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.840 I didn't think you did that. I thought you'd agree 54 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:48.080 with that. 55 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.319 No, you know, you need to be fitted. You know, 56 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.439 somebody needs to be fitted for a putter. You know, 57 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:59.919 some people have a putting path that goes through the 58 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.319 inside the square to the inside. Some people go straight 59 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.879 back and straight through. Some butters are made for the 60 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.400 toe to release, and some of you know, it's they're 61 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:12.840 not made to release. And you know, you need to 62 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.719 first find out what kind of a plutty stroke you have, 63 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:19.680 whether it's straight back and straight through, whether it's on 64 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.639 an arc. Basically, putters that are center shaft that they 65 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.439 balanced type putters. You know, it's hard to get to 66 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.120 toes to release on that and to square up, so 67 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:31.800 you don't want to have an inside path inside the 68 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.319 square back to the inside. Again, if you have a 69 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:39.039 putter that's a toe on release on, you know, that's 70 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.039 that's an important thing right there. 71 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:43.919 So this is a situation where people go, you know, 72 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.560 I have I have an inside to outpath. They shouldn't 73 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.560 be changing their stroke or listening to teachers saying, you know, 74 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.960 you're doing it all wrong. They should do it what's 75 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.639 most comfortable for them and then pick the putter that 76 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:58.520 works in that direction. 77 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:02.240 Well yeah, I mean, I mean there is a lot 78 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.719 of you know, people will watch the tour over the years, 79 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.360 I mean, there are a lot of putting strokes out 80 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.520 there that you wouldn't teach somebody to put like. But again, 81 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:13.280 if you can repeat it and know where the ball 82 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.160 is going to go, it works, you know. I mean 83 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.439 there's I mean, there's you know, obviously there's an ideal 84 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.040 stroke where you're making everything that bit I'm not I 85 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:25.759 wouldn't want to change anybody's putting strokes somebody that they 86 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:27.720 have grooveed. I mean, we can get a putter that'll 87 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:28.480 fit that stroke. 88 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:30.399 Mm hmm. 89 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:33.879 I mean that's what I believe. M hm. 90 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:38.800 So you create putters, you create putters for both styles. 91 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:43.279 Oh yes, you know. I mean I don't you know, 92 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:45.160 I know, the putter that I like to cut with 93 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:47.399 but looks good in my eye. I mean the first 94 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:49.199 thing when you find a putter has to look good 95 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.879 to you. I mean, it has to look good down there. 96 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.040 I mean, that's why we have so many different styles. 97 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.040 I mean, not everything looks you know, good to the 98 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:00.759 same to everybody. H So you find something that looks 99 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.759 good to you to your eye down there, and then 100 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.920 you know, you know, we make a putter that we 101 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.000 call it G four and we have that and shafted 102 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.240 with double bind where the total release. We have it 103 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:15.480 set back with a double bend where it won't release 104 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.240 as much. We have the set back with a straight 105 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.000 shaft in it with no offset on it in center shaft. 106 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.319 You know, it's basically the same putterhead, but it's four 107 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.480 different putters, but it has that look. So we can 108 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:30.759 fit anybody in that putter if they like that, look 109 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:32.319 for any stroke that they have. 110 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.360 And the design of the head is really more about 111 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.399 the what you feel comfortable looking at. It has nothing 112 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.120 to do with performance. 113 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.079 Oh, it has everything to do with performance. I mean, 114 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:47.879 you know, to be honest with you, I mean, I've 115 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.680 produced putters that I don't really care for myself. They 116 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.279 don't look good to my eye. But again, as I 117 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.360 said before, you know, I don't know everything that there is. 118 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:59.519 I learn every day and I listen to everybody that 119 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:05.199 talks about putters. And just because I don't prefer it 120 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:07.120 it doesn't look good to my eye doesn't mean it 121 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:09.600 doesn't look good to yours. I know, I'm taking and 122 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:11.639 make it as the best that I can make it 123 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:14.680 personally myself, I might not put with it. 124 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.360 Yeah, well that's that's the honest truth. No, And then 125 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:21.360 that makes more. That makes a lot of sense because 126 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.800 you're trying to sell putters, so you want to appeal 127 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:28.240 to as many people as possible. Exactly, that makes sense. 128 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:34.519 You're in business. I mean, that makes total sense. And 129 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:39.079 so let's talk about getting fitted for a putter. What 130 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:42.360 does that entail and what should you be looking for? 131 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.800 Because you know, I guess that guys who do club 132 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:51.079 fittings for your your irons and your your fairway woods, 133 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:54.680 your drivers may not have the skill to fit you 134 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.319 for putters. Are they different skill sets? 135 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.560 Well, it's going to be pretty much the sense Gill set. 136 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:02.240 I mean, you need to know a little bit about 137 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.160 putting number one and how the platter works. You know 138 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:08.560 that you know you have the right size of grip. 139 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.279 You know, the bigger the grip, the less hands that 140 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.680 you can get. You know, personally myself, I'm using a 141 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.560 larger grip right now, and after we get done talking, 142 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:20.160 I'm and go out in my garage and I'm going 143 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:21.759 to cut that grip off and go back to a 144 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.839 little one because I'm more comfortable with that. You need 145 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:26.759 to know the shaft that's in it. You know, shafts 146 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.720 can vary in weight, they can vary in stiffness. I 147 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.399 prefer a step shaft kind of the shaft that we 148 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.560 use is kind of like the old Wilson head speed. 149 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:37.199 It's got a little whip at the bottom so you 150 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:39.079 get a lot of fuel. You know, if I put 151 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.040 a stiffer, heavier shafts in there, you're going to have 152 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:42.240 less feel at the bottom. 153 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:44.319 You know, you're getting the head off. Now. I was 154 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.000 going to get to shafts in a little bit, but 155 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.839 I want to get through the fitting process. 156 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.720 It's all it's all part of fitting. It's all goes 157 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.439 into there, right, you know, the lie on the golf club, 158 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:57.839 you know, and what kind of a stroke you have. 159 00:07:58.079 --> 00:07:59.759 I mean they should be able to figure out if 160 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:01.839 you are somebody putt whether they go straight back and 161 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:03.639 straight through or whether they have an art in their 162 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.879 spleen and their stroke. That's pretty easy to figure out. 163 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.279 And you just go from there. You know, we give him, 164 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.079 you know, I would fit somebody. I would give him 165 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:15.959 different putters to try and you know, see what works 166 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.920 best with their with their pudding stroke. 167 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.199 And when you say works best, what exactly does that mean. 168 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.079 That they make the most parts? You know, I want 169 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.319 to I like to sit somebody with a putter and 170 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.440 watch them, you know, uh, you know, as an example, 171 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.360 I'm not going to use this gentleman's name that I 172 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.120 fit somebody last week, or the putter and stood there 173 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:43.519 and watched to make fifteen out of fifteen for twelve 174 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.559 feet whoa and he was a static. 175 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:51.440 Oh yeah, from fifteen feet that's a big deal. 176 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.080 From twelve feet twelve. 177 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.000 It's still from twelve feet. I mean, what even on 178 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.200 the tour, they're only making about fifty percent of the 179 00:08:59.240 --> 00:08:59.960 putts inside of ten. 180 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.879 Well, I mean, I can't say that that this is 181 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:06.440 going to happen on the golf course every time and 182 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.279 he goes out. But I know that I fit into 183 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:11.559 perfection and this putter fits him, and he who loves it. 184 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.000 I bet he just absolutely loves it. You know, we 185 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:19.679 were on an absolutely pure, pure beyond belief putting surface 186 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.200 to do this on. I mean, it's a little tougher 187 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:23.720 to do it if you're not on a good green 188 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:26.440 or something that's not level where you can see everything 189 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.360 that the one that I did this ang was absolutely perfect. 190 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.120 So you're saying that most club fitters understand how to 191 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:37.360 fit for putters as well, That's not something that I'm 192 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:38.000 going to say that. 193 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:40.000 I'm going to say that they have a pretty good 194 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:43.919 idea for butter. Yes, okay, you know what I mean, 195 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.000 they should be able to if you know, I mean, 196 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:50.240 they can fit it. I'm not sure how much they 197 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.360 understand the difference in the in the putters and how 198 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:55.320 they're made and what they do. I mean, I just 199 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.320 don't know. I don't you know. If you gave me 200 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.759 a specific person, I could give you an answer. But 201 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.200 every fitter in the world. 202 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.879 No, yeah, right, Well, I mean, because I recently had 203 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:10.320 a fitting for my my uh fairwy Woods Hybrids that 204 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.200 kind of thing, not my not my irons. But you 205 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.440 know we're talking about, you know, the the ball speed, 206 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:18.799 the club head speed, all these things that really aren't 207 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:25.000 relevant to putters. But the fitter was pretty well versed 208 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.519 in all the different products that were out on the market. 209 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:29.360 But I don't know. 210 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.840 I mean, if I could take I could take one putter, 211 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.159 one of my putters, and I could put different shafts 212 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.200 in it, different grifts on it, and change you know, 213 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:42.000 things that I can do just with grifts and shafts, 214 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.000 and I could take ten of these putters and you'd 215 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.919 have ten putters that felt different, reacted different to the 216 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:47.639 ball coming. 217 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:50.320 Off of them. 218 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.639 I mean, I mean, it's very it's important, very important 219 00:10:55.600 --> 00:11:00.159 to get the fitting exactly, you know. I mean, the 220 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.879 lie is so important, the liar, you know, I don't 221 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.399 know where you want to go now. I mean, the 222 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.440 lie is is very very important, the lie in the 223 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.399 putter when it sits on the ground. 224 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:15.600 So now I need for you to clarify exactly what 225 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:17.240 that means. The lie of the putter. 226 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:19.840 Well, if you if you know, you can grab a 227 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:22.279 putter in store and set it down on the ground 228 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.919 with you know, every individual was different to hold their 229 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:29.159 hands in a different spot. Some are shorter, some are 230 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.759 taller their hands, you know. And so if the toe 231 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:34.360 of the putter sits up in the air, the putter 232 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:36.519 is too upright. It needs to be bent down to 233 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:39.120 where that putter, you know, sols you can hold your 234 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.320 ones where you want to hold them, and that putter 235 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.600 is sold correctly. And if it was too flat, it 236 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:45.600 would be up on a toe. 237 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:47.360 Mm hm. 238 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:49.720 So you have to be able to bend this putter 239 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:52.759 you wanted to go smoothly through. 240 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:01.759 So then let's move on. And then too uh, Now 241 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.279 that you found the fitter that you like, he's doing 242 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:06.320 a fitting on you. Now you have to put the 243 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:10.039 different elements together to create the pitter, the putter that 244 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:14.799 works best for you. And where should should you start 245 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.720 on talking about the different components. 246 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:26.120 Well, again, most most pro shops or you know, retail outlets, 247 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:27.960 you know, they're not able to do what I'm able 248 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.320 to do. I mean I have the heads, I have 249 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.519 the chefs, I have the grips, you know, I mean 250 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:35.679 I could fit anybody into anything. I mean, I could, 251 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.240 you know. I mean, I'm a little bit different than 252 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:40.279 your average guy. But you're going to take a putter. 253 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:46.200 If the average person amateur walks into a discount store 254 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.279 or whatever and finds the putter that they like and 255 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.000 feels good to them and they keep square, I mean 256 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:53.639 they should. You know, they need to have the grip 257 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:55.720 put on it that they that they want, and they 258 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.559 need to have that club vent. I mean, those are 259 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:00.399 the two things that the club fit are. The store 260 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.240 like that's going to be able to do. He's going 261 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:04.759 to be able to bend it. He's going to be 262 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:09.000 able to put the right grip on, did you like? 263 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:15.399 I recently I'm going to go up to the grips 264 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.480 for this moment, but I recently put one of the 265 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.759 fat grips on my putter and I was amazed at 266 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:25.600 the difference. Or it's huge, it really is. 267 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:30.320 I mean it really changes things that you know, it's 268 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.240 going to change the fuel at the golf club. You know, 269 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:35.559 as an example, if you take a thirty five inch 270 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.840 putter and put a seven excuse me, a seventeen inch 271 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.759 grip on there, you know you're counterbalancing the cutter. You're 272 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:44.679 adding more weight to the butt end of the putter. 273 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:48.360 You're going to lose swing lay points, your total overall 274 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.000 weight on the putter is going to go up. But 275 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.679 the putter's going to feel completely different with that grip 276 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:54.799 on there, And you could cut it off and put 277 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.519 a regular grip on there, and it's going to be 278 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:58.480 a completely different putter and feeling again. 279 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:03.320 To wait a minute, you said seventeen inch gript, you 280 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:04.799 mean the length of the grip. 281 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:12.399 We're doing a lot of putters that the guys that 282 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:17.759 are switching over from the belly putters where we're doing 283 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.679 like maybe a thirty six or thirty seven inch putter 284 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.200 that they're going back to putting regularly with. But we 285 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:27.919 put that seventeen inch gript counterbalance, so it's kind of 286 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:30.000 kind of feel a lot like a belly putter when 287 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:30.759 they're putting with it. 288 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:35.600 Oh, that's really interesting. That extends the length of the putter. 289 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.799 It's not just necessarily like I generally, it. 290 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.519 Doesn't extend the length of the putter whatsoever. The grip 291 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:44.840 just comes down for you have more weight than that 292 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.159 butt end of the putter. 293 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:51.320 The counterbalances so it's not just the thickness. It's just 294 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:53.879 not the girth of the putter. It's also the length 295 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:55.879 of it, I mean the grip. 296 00:14:55.960 --> 00:15:00.960 Yeah. Yeah, Basically we're putting on the same grip that 297 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.080 they have on a belly putter on a short putter. 298 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.840 Mm hmmmm. And there's been this all this excitement lately 299 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:12.080 about you know, especially with Mickelson and a bunch of 300 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:16.000 guys winning on the tour, which changes the view of 301 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.279 everybody when somebody wins on the tour. But these these 302 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:24.440 fat grips, fat grip putters have become very very popular, right, 303 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:25.759 and you're getting a lot of demand for that. 304 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.320 Uh, you know, we hit a little bit of demand 305 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:32.879 for it, you know on my custom putters, you know, 306 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.120 I mean we do not we have our own grip. 307 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.480 We use pure grips at Arizona, and which I think 308 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:39.759 is a fantastic grip. 309 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:41.399 Why we got hooked. 310 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:43.960 I just love the way it feels and I love 311 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.279 the way it looks. It just feels great in your hands. 312 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:50.600 Mm hmmm. So we put that on all of our 313 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.679 stock putters that go out. I mean, if somebody custom 314 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.799 mort or something and wants, you know, a superstroke grip 315 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:58.879 or a win grip or something like that on there. 316 00:15:58.919 --> 00:15:59.879 We have, we'll put it on. 317 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:02.720 Okay. 318 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.840 We try to give everybody just what they want. 319 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.759 Well, of course, of course first time out. And is 320 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:15.080 that the basis of your business is customized putting putters 321 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.960 or do you have I mean I've talked to Tim 322 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.120 and he's saying that, you know, PGA superstores are now 323 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.039 going to start carrying your putters. Is this true? 324 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:28.279 Oh? Yes, I have the grand opening out here in 325 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.200 Palm Desert this last week and it was we did 326 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:34.279 very well out there. 327 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:36.159 Congratulations, that's great. 328 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.639 Well we had they had a re ordered Monday after 329 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:43.080 the two days after they opened they needed to order 330 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:43.679 more product. 331 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:44.519 Wow. 332 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:47.480 And that is just you know, that's our standard cutter, 333 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.120 and you know, and that's the bulk of our business, 334 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:55.600 you know, is the retail in our standard putter, which 335 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:58.200 are I don't know. I think there's thirteen different models 336 00:16:58.200 --> 00:16:59.279 now a fourteen. 337 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.519 And that could all be found at Kenny Giannini putters 338 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:04.440 dot com. 339 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:06.279 Yes, mm hmm. 340 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.519 But you do custom custom made putters for people as well. 341 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:14.559 You mentioned in the last conversation that you've made for 342 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.920 some of the biggest names in golf history. 343 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:21.799 Well, you know I do, and you know I do 344 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:23.880 a lot of those putters. Those are you know, those 345 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.720 are my one of putters are definitely a different price point, 346 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:31.119 and it takes a little while to get one, you know. 347 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:35.000 Right now I'm back ordered about I don't know, three months. Wow, 348 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:39.319 I only I only do. I only do between ten 349 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:41.000 and fifteen of them a month. That's it. 350 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:42.400 Mhmm. 351 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:45.880 You know. I mean they take a long time to make, 352 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.160 and we do a lot of special things to them 353 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.480 and make them different. When somebody orders something like that, 354 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.480 it's the one of you know, it's the only one 355 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:52.839 like it. 356 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:55.160 Yeah, and it takes a long time to make it right. 357 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:59.720 Well, I just try to make everything right. 358 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.279 When you're custom making a putter, how do you At 359 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:05.680 what point do you go got it? 360 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:06.200 This is it? 361 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:07.799 This is exactly what he wants. 362 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.160 Wow, I mean I think I have it, you know, 363 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:14.839 from the beginning. You know, I'm going to get an 364 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.640 idea what he wants. You know, I understand when he's saying, 365 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:19.680 you know, what kind of neck he wants on there? 366 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:22.960 You know, I might take you know, our number four 367 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:27.200 putter and and uh get that basic head designed to 368 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.160 put a completely different neck on it. You know, I 369 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.359 might put six degrees of loft on it instead of 370 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.720 three and a half like we have on our standard putters. 371 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:38.039 You know, he might be somebody that presses their hands 372 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.519 way forward to needs that loft. 373 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:43.920 Oh so if somebody pushes their hands forward like that, 374 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:45.599 then they need more loft to the putter. 375 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:49.319 Sure, because if they set their hands forward like that, 376 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:51.480 they're taking off whatever loft is on the putter. 377 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.440 And what is the what's the optimum loft for. 378 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:57.599 Three and a half to three and a half to 379 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:00.200 four degrees, it's the optimum loft. With the way that 380 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:02.920 the greens are these days. You know, we used to 381 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.319 put four, you know, and when I you know, and 382 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:08.599 you know twenty five or thirty years ago, when we 383 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.640 sent butters to Japan, we had to put four and 384 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:12.559 a half or five on there because the greens are 385 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.119 so fuzzy. You know, you need that ball to pop 386 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.559 up and roll, you know, to kind of you know, 387 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.640 now the greens are getting so good you can go 388 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:25.720 with less locked qu My butters all have three my 389 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:28.000 standard production putter, they all have three and a half 390 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:29.039 degrees are lots on it. 391 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.200 So you don't want the ball to get airborne at all, 392 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.519 off the off the face of the pudd No, I want. 393 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.039 That ball to just roll like to where it's supposed. 394 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:43.039 To go in the hole, in the whole bottom of 395 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.000 the hole, in the bottom of the cup. And should 396 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.440 the butt when the ball leaves the putter ahead, should 397 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.279 there be some slide to it or should it be 398 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:52.240 rolling immediately? 399 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:54.759 Well, you try to guess there's always going to be 400 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:56.400 a little bit of skid to it, but you wanted 401 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:58.920