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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred eleven, published on November nineteen,

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twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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Speaker 3: My biggest deal is is I never want a three touch.

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If I can hit the ball within twenty feet as

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the hole and I can play most of them, I'm

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going to make three or four. It's all of a sudden,

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I'm shooting three under, you know, And that's what I

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strive to do. I never want a three touch. And

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the consistency with my putter. If you cast the plutter,

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if you heat a piece of material up and let

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it cool off, it's going to be hotspots in that putter.

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There will be places on that face or the wall

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will jump off faster than others, and places that are

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dead when they win is seated up, you know, those

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molecules will run and they'll stay there at when the cools,

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they'll stay out there too. We're seeing the putters, it's

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the same all the way across that face, so it's

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always going to feel the same. That's why I don't

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do any putters with inserts, because inserts number one, they

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will move number two if the temperature changes by or

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ten degrease the fuel or an insert change, so it's

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like you're putting it's a different putter. I want this

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putter to feel the same if you're playing in one

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hundred and twenty degree heat or you're playing at forty degrees.

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Is a thirty mile an mile win and having it rain,

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and it's going to feel the same every time you

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stroke it, and that's going to want build confidence and repeatability.

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Speaker 1: How to pick your perfect putter with Kenny Janini. This

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is Golf Smarter. Welcome to Golf Smarter for members only. Kenny, Well,

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thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Bred I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: This is interesting. I'm recording this late at night. We

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never do nighttime recordings, and I'm excited that we're both

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kind of sitting back, relaxed. We've had dinner, glass of wine,

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and now it's time to talk about putters.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's sure is. I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Not as excited as I am. So what I wanted

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to focus on this conversation is the consumer and what

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they need to know if they want to build the

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perfect putter for themselves, all the different elements that they

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should be looking at, as opposed to walking in a

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store where they have this little practice putting green that's

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kind of filtered right into a hole and not really knowing,

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just like putting a club in your hand, going yeah,

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this is the right one for me. Is that the

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best way to buy a putter.

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Speaker 3: No, that's not the way to buy a putter.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think you did that. I thought you'd agree

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with that.

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Speaker 3: No, you know, you need to be fitted. You know,

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somebody needs to be fitted for a putter. You know,

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some people have a putting path that goes through the

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inside the square to the inside. Some people go straight

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back and straight through. Some butters are made for the

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toe to release, and some of you know, it's they're

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not made to release. And you know, you need to

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first find out what kind of a plutty stroke you have,

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whether it's straight back and straight through, whether it's on

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an arc. Basically, putters that are center shaft that they

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balanced type putters. You know, it's hard to get to

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toes to release on that and to square up, so

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you don't want to have an inside path inside the

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square back to the inside. Again, if you have a

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putter that's a toe on release on, you know, that's

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that's an important thing right there.

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Speaker 1: So this is a situation where people go, you know,

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I have I have an inside to outpath. They shouldn't

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be changing their stroke or listening to teachers saying, you know,

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you're doing it all wrong. They should do it what's

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most comfortable for them and then pick the putter that

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works in that direction.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, I mean there is a lot

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of you know, people will watch the tour over the years,

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I mean, there are a lot of putting strokes out

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there that you wouldn't teach somebody to put like. But again,

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if you can repeat it and know where the ball

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is going to go, it works, you know. I mean

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there's I mean, there's you know, obviously there's an ideal

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stroke where you're making everything that bit I'm not I

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wouldn't want to change anybody's putting strokes somebody that they

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have grooveed. I mean, we can get a putter that'll

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fit that stroke.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's what I believe. M hm.

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Speaker 1: So you create putters, you create putters for both styles.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, you know. I mean I don't you know,

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I know, the putter that I like to cut with

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but looks good in my eye. I mean the first

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thing when you find a putter has to look good

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to you. I mean, it has to look good down there.

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I mean, that's why we have so many different styles.

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I mean, not everything looks you know, good to the

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same to everybody. H So you find something that looks

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good to you to your eye down there, and then

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you know, you know, we make a putter that we

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call it G four and we have that and shafted

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with double bind where the total release. We have it

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set back with a double bend where it won't release

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as much. We have the set back with a straight

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shaft in it with no offset on it in center shaft.

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You know, it's basically the same putterhead, but it's four

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different putters, but it has that look. So we can

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fit anybody in that putter if they like that, look

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for any stroke that they have.

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Speaker 1: And the design of the head is really more about

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the what you feel comfortable looking at. It has nothing

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to do with performance.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it has everything to do with performance. I mean,

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you know, to be honest with you, I mean, I've

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produced putters that I don't really care for myself. They

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don't look good to my eye. But again, as I

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said before, you know, I don't know everything that there is.

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I learn every day and I listen to everybody that

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talks about putters. And just because I don't prefer it

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it doesn't look good to my eye doesn't mean it

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doesn't look good to yours. I know, I'm taking and

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make it as the best that I can make it

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personally myself, I might not put with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's the honest truth. No, And then

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that makes more. That makes a lot of sense because

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you're trying to sell putters, so you want to appeal

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to as many people as possible. Exactly, that makes sense.

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You're in business. I mean, that makes total sense. And

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so let's talk about getting fitted for a putter. What

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does that entail and what should you be looking for?

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Because you know, I guess that guys who do club

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fittings for your your irons and your your fairway woods,

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your drivers may not have the skill to fit you

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for putters. Are they different skill sets?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's going to be pretty much the sense Gill set.

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I mean, you need to know a little bit about

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putting number one and how the platter works. You know

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that you know you have the right size of grip.

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You know, the bigger the grip, the less hands that

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you can get. You know, personally myself, I'm using a

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larger grip right now, and after we get done talking,

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I'm and go out in my garage and I'm going

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to cut that grip off and go back to a

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little one because I'm more comfortable with that. You need

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to know the shaft that's in it. You know, shafts

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can vary in weight, they can vary in stiffness. I

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prefer a step shaft kind of the shaft that we

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use is kind of like the old Wilson head speed.

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It's got a little whip at the bottom so you

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get a lot of fuel. You know, if I put

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a stiffer, heavier shafts in there, you're going to have

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less feel at the bottom.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're getting the head off. Now. I was

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going to get to shafts in a little bit, but

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I want to get through the fitting process.

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Speaker 3: It's all it's all part of fitting. It's all goes

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into there, right, you know, the lie on the golf club,

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you know, and what kind of a stroke you have.

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I mean they should be able to figure out if

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you are somebody putt whether they go straight back and

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straight through or whether they have an art in their

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spleen and their stroke. That's pretty easy to figure out.

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And you just go from there. You know, we give him,

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you know, I would fit somebody. I would give him

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different putters to try and you know, see what works

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best with their with their pudding stroke.

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Speaker 1: And when you say works best, what exactly does that mean.

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Speaker 3: That they make the most parts? You know, I want

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to I like to sit somebody with a putter and

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watch them, you know, uh, you know, as an example,

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I'm not going to use this gentleman's name that I

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fit somebody last week, or the putter and stood there

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and watched to make fifteen out of fifteen for twelve

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feet whoa and he was a static.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, from fifteen feet that's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: From twelve feet twelve.

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Speaker 1: It's still from twelve feet. I mean, what even on

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the tour, they're only making about fifty percent of the

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putts inside of ten.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I can't say that that this is

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going to happen on the golf course every time and

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he goes out. But I know that I fit into

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perfection and this putter fits him, and he who loves it.

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I bet he just absolutely loves it. You know, we

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were on an absolutely pure, pure beyond belief putting surface

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to do this on. I mean, it's a little tougher

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to do it if you're not on a good green

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or something that's not level where you can see everything

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that the one that I did this ang was absolutely perfect.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that most club fitters understand how to

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fit for putters as well, That's not something that I'm

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going to say that.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say that they have a pretty good

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idea for butter. Yes, okay, you know what I mean,

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they should be able to if you know, I mean,

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they can fit it. I'm not sure how much they

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understand the difference in the in the putters and how

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they're made and what they do. I mean, I just

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don't know. I don't you know. If you gave me

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a specific person, I could give you an answer. But

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every fitter in the world.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, right, Well, I mean, because I recently had

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a fitting for my my uh fairwy Woods Hybrids that

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kind of thing, not my not my irons. But you

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know we're talking about, you know, the the ball speed,

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the club head speed, all these things that really aren't

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relevant to putters. But the fitter was pretty well versed

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in all the different products that were out on the market.

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But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I could take I could take one putter,

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one of my putters, and I could put different shafts

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in it, different grifts on it, and change you know,

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things that I can do just with grifts and shafts,

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and I could take ten of these putters and you'd

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have ten putters that felt different, reacted different to the

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ball coming.

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Speaker 1: Off of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, it's very it's important, very important

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to get the fitting exactly, you know. I mean, the

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lie is so important, the liar, you know, I don't

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know where you want to go now. I mean, the

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lie is is very very important, the lie in the

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putter when it sits on the ground.

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Speaker 1: So now I need for you to clarify exactly what

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that means. The lie of the putter.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you if you know, you can grab a

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putter in store and set it down on the ground

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with you know, every individual was different to hold their

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hands in a different spot. Some are shorter, some are

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taller their hands, you know. And so if the toe

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of the putter sits up in the air, the putter

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is too upright. It needs to be bent down to

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where that putter, you know, sols you can hold your

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ones where you want to hold them, and that putter

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is sold correctly. And if it was too flat, it

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Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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Speaker 3: So you have to be able to bend this putter

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you wanted to go smoothly through.

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Speaker 1: So then let's move on. And then too uh, Now

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that you found the fitter that you like, he's doing

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a fitting on you. Now you have to put the

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different elements together to create the pitter, the putter that

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works best for you. And where should should you start

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on talking about the different components.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, most most pro shops or you know, retail outlets,

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you know, they're not able to do what I'm able

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to do. I mean I have the heads, I have

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the chefs, I have the grips, you know, I mean

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I could fit anybody into anything. I mean, I could,

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you know. I mean, I'm a little bit different than

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your average guy. But you're going to take a putter.

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If the average person amateur walks into a discount store

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or whatever and finds the putter that they like and

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feels good to them and they keep square, I mean

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they should. You know, they need to have the grip

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put on it that they that they want, and they

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need to have that club vent. I mean, those are

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the two things that the club fit are. The store

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like that's going to be able to do. He's going

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to be able to bend it. He's going to be

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able to put the right grip on, did you like?

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Speaker 1: I recently I'm going to go up to the grips

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for this moment, but I recently put one of the

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fat grips on my putter and I was amazed at

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the difference. Or it's huge, it really is.

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Speaker 3: I mean it really changes things that you know, it's

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going to change the fuel at the golf club. You know,

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as an example, if you take a thirty five inch

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putter and put a seven excuse me, a seventeen inch

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grip on there, you know you're counterbalancing the cutter. You're

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adding more weight to the butt end of the putter.

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You're going to lose swing lay points, your total overall

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weight on the putter is going to go up. But

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the putter's going to feel completely different with that grip

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on there, And you could cut it off and put

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a regular grip on there, and it's going to be

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a completely different putter and feeling again.

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Speaker 1: To wait a minute, you said seventeen inch gript, you

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mean the length of the grip.

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Speaker 3: We're doing a lot of putters that the guys that

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are switching over from the belly putters where we're doing

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like maybe a thirty six or thirty seven inch putter

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that they're going back to putting regularly with. But we

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put that seventeen inch gript counterbalance, so it's kind of

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kind of feel a lot like a belly putter when

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they're putting with it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's really interesting. That extends the length of the putter.

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It's not just necessarily like I generally, it.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't extend the length of the putter whatsoever. The grip

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just comes down for you have more weight than that

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butt end of the putter.

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Speaker 1: The counterbalances so it's not just the thickness. It's just

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not the girth of the putter. It's also the length

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of it, I mean the grip.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Basically we're putting on the same grip that

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they have on a belly putter on a short putter.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. And there's been this all this excitement lately

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about you know, especially with Mickelson and a bunch of

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guys winning on the tour, which changes the view of

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everybody when somebody wins on the tour. But these these

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fat grips, fat grip putters have become very very popular, right,

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and you're getting a lot of demand for that.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know, we hit a little bit of demand

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for it, you know on my custom putters, you know,

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I mean we do not we have our own grip.

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We use pure grips at Arizona, and which I think

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is a fantastic grip.

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Speaker 1: Why we got hooked.

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Speaker 3: I just love the way it feels and I love

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the way it looks. It just feels great in your hands.

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Mm hmmm. So we put that on all of our

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stock putters that go out. I mean, if somebody custom

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mort or something and wants, you know, a superstroke grip

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or a win grip or something like that on there.

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We have, we'll put it on.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: We try to give everybody just what they want.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, of course first time out. And is

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that the basis of your business is customized putting putters

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or do you have I mean I've talked to Tim

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and he's saying that, you know, PGA superstores are now

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going to start carrying your putters. Is this true?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, I have the grand opening out here in

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Palm Desert this last week and it was we did

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very well out there.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, that's great.

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Speaker 3: Well we had they had a re ordered Monday after

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the two days after they opened they needed to order

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more product.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And that is just you know, that's our standard cutter,

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and you know, and that's the bulk of our business,

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you know, is the retail in our standard putter, which

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are I don't know. I think there's thirteen different models

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now a fourteen.

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Speaker 1: And that could all be found at Kenny Giannini putters

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dot com.

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Speaker 3: Yes, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: But you do custom custom made putters for people as well.

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You mentioned in the last conversation that you've made for

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some of the biggest names in golf history.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know I do, and you know I do

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a lot of those putters. Those are you know, those

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are my one of putters are definitely a different price point,

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and it takes a little while to get one, you know.

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Right now I'm back ordered about I don't know, three months. Wow,

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I only I only do. I only do between ten

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and fifteen of them a month. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Mhmm.

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Speaker 3: You know. I mean they take a long time to make,

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and we do a lot of special things to them

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and make them different. When somebody orders something like that,

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it's the one of you know, it's the only one

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like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it takes a long time to make it right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just try to make everything right.

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Speaker 1: When you're custom making a putter, how do you At

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what point do you go got it?

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Speaker 3: This is it?

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Speaker 1: This is exactly what he wants.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean I think I have it, you know,

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from the beginning. You know, I'm going to get an

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idea what he wants. You know, I understand when he's saying,

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you know, what kind of neck he wants on there?

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You know, I might take you know, our number four

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putter and and uh get that basic head designed to

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put a completely different neck on it. You know, I

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might put six degrees of loft on it instead of

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three and a half like we have on our standard putters.

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You know, he might be somebody that presses their hands

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way forward to needs that loft.

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Speaker 1: Oh so if somebody pushes their hands forward like that,

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then they need more loft to the putter.

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Speaker 3: Sure, because if they set their hands forward like that,

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they're taking off whatever loft is on the putter.

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Speaker 1: And what is the what's the optimum loft for.

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Speaker 3: Three and a half to three and a half to

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four degrees, it's the optimum loft. With the way that

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the greens are these days. You know, we used to

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put four, you know, and when I you know, and

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you know twenty five or thirty years ago, when we

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sent butters to Japan, we had to put four and

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a half or five on there because the greens are

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so fuzzy. You know, you need that ball to pop

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up and roll, you know, to kind of you know,

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now the greens are getting so good you can go

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with less locked qu My butters all have three my

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standard production putter, they all have three and a half

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degrees are lots on it.

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Speaker 1: So you don't want the ball to get airborne at all,

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off the off the face of the pudd No, I want.

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Speaker 3: That ball to just roll like to where it's supposed.

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Speaker 1: To go in the hole, in the whole bottom of

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the hole, in the bottom of the cup. And should

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the butt when the ball leaves the putter ahead, should

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there be some slide to it or should it be

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rolling immediately?

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Speaker 3: Well, you try to guess there's always going to be

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a little bit of skid to it, but you wanted

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to you want to get that roll as quickly as possible,

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so it'll always be a little skied to it, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: And on the on the putter heads, and I love

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just having this conversation with you breaking down all the

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components to it. On the putter heads. Do you have

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a preference whether you go blade or mallet or you know,

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obviously personally, but also do you think one is better

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than the other? Or is again do we get back

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to just the look and the feel of it from

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from interesting individual?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know what works for me. I mean,

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you know I have my swing is inside back to

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square to the inside. I don't I'm not a straight back,

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straight through guy. So I mean, I know what I like.

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I mean, I put it with the same putter for

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twenty three years. I have a different one in my

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bag now. I just you know, I took the other

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one out. I put it for with twenty three years,

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and I took it out for a year, and then

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I put it back into another four and now it's

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out of there and I'm putting with something different. You know,

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I know what works for me and and and I again,

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just because it works for me doesn't mean it's going

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to work for somebody else. Sure, That's why we have

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so many different models that you know, everybody people have

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an idea of what they want, what they want to

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look at. You know. Personally myself, I don't care for

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a mallet. I'd never put with a mallet ever. It's

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just too bulky and too. It's just different for me.

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It just doesn't hit my swing, my stroke. And I

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make a lot of them. The guys that have them

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love them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a I'm a mallet kind of guy too.

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I like the line that gives me something to you know,

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go perpendicular or actually when I'm addressing and I can

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be parallel to that line.

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Speaker 3: Alls. I mean myself, I look at the ball, and

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I look at the top edge of the player. That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't need to look at the rest.

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I want to concentrate on on the ball, that's what

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I want to hit.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, let's move up from the putter ahead,

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now back up to the shaft and not just the

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center shaft or heel shaft. But then you talked about

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a double bend in a straight shaft. What are the

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differences there and what are the advantages of one over

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the other.

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Speaker 3: Well, a straight shaft, you know, it has no bend

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in it. It's just going to be straight going right

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into the head in that shaft. I do in our

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Chubby R Number four putter with its center shaft where

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it's first perfectly face balanced, and then I do it

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set back a little bit to where that toe hangs

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at about two o'clock two or three o'clock, so that

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toe will release a little bit on that club. And

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I do the same in my mallet. Those are the

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ones we put the straight shaft hand. And then I

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also will take those shafts and put a little offset

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in it, which is going to get your hands a

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little bit ahead a little bit ahead or with the

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straight shaft, it's right over the center of the top

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line is where your hands are. You know, if you

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have a forward press, you don't want to use a

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butter like that unless you have a lot of loft

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on it.

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Speaker 1: And the center shaft, the straight shaft is the one

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for center shafted heads.

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Speaker 3: Center shaft and then set back a little bit, set

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back about so a little about a half an inch

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three come out of three come that's three eighths of

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an inch back of center. So it releases a little bit.

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And you know, I mean we should sell a bunch

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of those.

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Speaker 1: And tell me about the double bend. What does that mean?

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00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:41,440
And again what's the advantage of a double bend in

477
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:41,920
the shaft.

478
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 3: Well, the double bend in the shaft is when it

479
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,680
comes up and without a neck on it, it's going

480
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,680
directly into the head and that shaft will come up

481
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,440
and it'll have a bend on it. We'll just put

482
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,880
a little offset in it without having a neck on

483
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,880
the putter hands a little bit more forward of the wall.

484
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,240
It's just a different look. It's what looks good to

485
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:06,079
different people for it.

486
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and are there I know that there's a

487
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:17,279
lot of variation not only in quality but also in

488
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,759
price on shafts. When you're let's just say, building a driver,

489
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,640
are there a lot of options on because you don't

490
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,559
need a lot of bend on your shaft for your putter,

491
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,160
So are there a lot of options on which shaft

492
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,880
you should be looking towards for other than just the

493
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,359
double bend or a straight.

494
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: Well, the material we use you, you know, I mean

495
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:41,160
we put the first steel on all my all of

496
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,400
my putters. I put I don't put any graph light

497
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:48,319
in where a graph flight, you're losing a lot of

498
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,279
weight and a lot of the putters can balance differently,

499
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,880
you know, I prefer the steel shaft. We use two

500
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,359
different shafts. We use one that that has no steps

501
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,519
in it. It's a little heavier, it's a little stiffer.

502
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,440
And then the one I prefer is the one that

503
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,880
put the step downs in it, which is basically a

504
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,839
take off of the old Wilson head speed shaft. You know,

505
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,440
it has a little width at the bottom, you have

506
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,119
a little feel. I prefer that. You know, putting is

507
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,799
a feel. You have to have that feel. You need

508
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:21,359
to know where the head is. All the time, and

509
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,319
I believe this and that's what I do with my

510
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,240
product that I make.

511
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

512
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: Those are the two shafts that I use. I use

513
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:34,200
the KBS shaft that they make is what I put in.

514
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: And why those shafts, Why do you like those the best?

515
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: I just do. I mean, they give me the best feel.

516
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,079
Speaker 1: And it's really it really comes down to how it

517
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,119
feels to you exactly. You don't do focus groups, you

518
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,759
don't have a lot of people try them out and

519
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:58,279
you watch them. It's all about how you feel.

520
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 3: Well. No, but I do have a lot of fun.

521
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,440
I have a circle of friends that are that are

522
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,119
you know, ninety nine percent of them are former tour

523
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,160
players that I might send you know, we'll go and

524
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,960
play golf and I'll say, hey, well you think about

525
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,160
this or something, and I'll get a little feedback back

526
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,880
like I told you before. But I believe me. I

527
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,920
do not believe that. I know. I'm not the king

528
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,359
of putters. You know, I do the best that I

529
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,319
can do, and I don't believe that I know the

530
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,519
answer to every question. That's why I listen to everything

531
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,599
that people say to me. Whether I said I've learned

532
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,599
some things from thirty handicaps about platters, you know, an

533
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,759
idea they might have and say, well, you know, I'm

534
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,920
looking at this, or you know, I listen and then

535
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,519
I try to, you know, take that file it away

536
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:42,200
in my little brain and pull it out when I

537
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,400
need it. And I let guys try my putters before

538
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,559
we put them on the market. Oh yeah, I'm a

539
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,640
small group of friends who get the prototypes and get

540
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,480
to play with those and go then I if I

541
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,720
need to, you know, all listen to what they have

542
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:00,319
to say about it. Luckily that I don't really ever

543
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,000
have any negatives about them, so I'm a happy guy.

544
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,119
Very few I've had, or very few of them I've

545
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,279
had to redo. I kind of them on one hand

546
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:09,440
in thirty five years.

547
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: Really yeah, that's and the wouldn't fill up the hand.

548
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,480
You can still hold a couple of balls in your hand. Well,

549
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,359
you may not be the king of putters, but you're

550
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,200
probably the prince, the prince of putters.

551
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,039
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just Kenny. That's it. I'm the same

552
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,400
as everybody else, and I treat everybody the same, and

553
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,720
I'm not I don't have a gigantic ego or I

554
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,759
listened to everything. Everybody has to say everything.

555
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: One of the things that you mentioned when we were talking,

556
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:46,440
you know, off microphone, was the finish of a putter,

557
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,359
and you feel that that's really important and I'm not

558
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,480
even sure I know exactly what that means.

559
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: Well, the finish on the putter is you know, it's

560
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:00,279
kind of like why you know, finished on the putter

561
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,960
is going to give you the feel you know, you're

562
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,880
covering that steel up to protect it from rusty. Now,

563
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,279
you know, I don't know if I should say this,

564
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,839
but personally, on my own butters, I've paid nothing on them.

565
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:15,279
I let them rust and turned that brown Nashville brown,

566
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:17,799
really without anything on them. That's what I do on

567
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:21,759
my own, so mine because I like to feel and

568
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:23,720
nothing on there. I just like to feel there the

569
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:25,440
raw steel, and I like to look at it.

570
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: So when they start rusting, do you it's like, okay,

571
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,799
I'm done with this, when I can move on.

572
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I like it to look like that.

573
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:34,759
I want it to look like it's one hundred years old.

574
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,519
I'm not one of the guys, is you know. Like

575
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:39,319
I told you before, I'm not in the blink. I

576
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,079
don't want it shining in my eyes. I don't. I

577
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,599
want it to perform. And you know, like the putter

578
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,799
i'm putting with now is a prototype that we're going

579
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:55,480
to introduce next year, and I love it and I

580
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,640
did only made two of them, and I made one

581
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:00,559
and I put no finish on it all and another

582
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,599
one that has our black PVD finish on it. And

583
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,160
you know, for some reason, they feel about they feel

584
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,039
about the same. There's no real difference between them that

585
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,960
I just prefer the other one that's rusting naturally and

586
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,599
the other one. I had played with one of my

587
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,440
friends the other day to form a tool player, and

588
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,960
he just happened to I had the black one in

589
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,759
my bag putting with it that day and he just

590
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,160
happened to say, I got to have this. I'm taking it.

591
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:30,039
So he has it now and I'm just playing with

592
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,119
the natural one. That's what I prefer. It's kind of

593
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,880
like bon Vogi when he does his wedges for the tour,

594
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,680
you know, the raw finished they sweat a rust.

595
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but on a wedge.

596
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: That's what that's what I That's what I do with mine.

597
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:47,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, But a wedge is is a little different because

598
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,200
now you're digging into the saying, you know you're digging

599
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,240
into the grass. You got to get the mud up there.

600
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,240
You gotta get it wet. It's it's getting a lot

601
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,440
of different performance on a wedge then you're getting in

602
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,599
a butter. It's going through a lot more torture me.

603
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: But when I do that, this plutter is polished the

604
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,119
same as one that would begin to finish on it.

605
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,400
And I mean if I did one with no finish

606
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,519
on it and didn't platinum putter with a finish on it,

607
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:13,799
you would probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference

608
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,720
between the two. Then that that platinum one will always

609
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,519
stay like that. The one I'm playing with it's going

610
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,000
to rust, it's going to turn brown.

611
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: And what are the options on finishes or for r

612
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,279
putters are there any well?

613
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: The natural plutters like I play with, that's only on

614
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,960
my custom want us. We don't do that production. And

615
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,680
then our finish in production is we have our satin

616
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,359
nickel finish which we call platinum, and then our black

617
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,480
PVD that is I just changed that finish and we're

618
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,400
going to a satin black which will be no glare

619
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:56,799
or shining the sun of putter whatsoever. We're just running

620
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:01,920
the first bunch of those right now. M So those

621
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,359
are the two finishes that we offer.

622
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to put you in an uncomfortable position for

623
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:07,880
a moment, Kenny. I know you're not going to like

624
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,759
this question, but I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it out

625
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:18,240
here anyway. Why should people own a Kenny Giannini putter?

626
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:26,359
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think I believe it's the finest

627
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,440
putter made on the market. It has the engineering to it.

628
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,920
It has slot face, the soft slot face, which will

629
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,079
be discussed before. I'm it's going to keep the blade

630
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:41,079
square that I believe that anyone out there. I think

631
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,000
it looks great. And you know, I mean it's kind

632
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:47,000
of old school. I mean there's no gimmicks, there's no

633
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,839
you know, bells and whistles that goes along with it.

634
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,720
It's just major perform better than anything else in the market.

635
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,559
Speaker 1: Look, I'm going to toss out an answer. You tell

636
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,759
me an answer to that question. You tell me if

637
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,039
you would agree with this statement. When I ask why

638
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:08,920
should somebody own a Kenny Ganini putter, the answer I

639
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,960
think should be because you're going to sink more putts.

640
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,359
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you I believe. I agree with that. Yeah,

641
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,799
you'll sink more puts.

642
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,599
Speaker 1: There you go, then you will. So it doesn't matter

643
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,440
what it looks like or what you know, it's like,

644
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,119
what what the elements are, as long as the results

645
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:28,000
are there and you hear the happy sound of the

646
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,640
ball going in the cup. Isn't that what it's all about?

647
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,319
Speaker 3: That is what it's all about, you know. Personally myself,

648
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,720
you know, my biggest deal is is I never want

649
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,839
a three cuts. I'm gonna make. If I can hit

650
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,720
the ball within twenty feet as a hole and I

651
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,640
can play most of them, I'm going to make three

652
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,359
or four all of a sudden, I'm shooting three under,

653
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,079
you know. And that's what I strive to do. I

654
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,400
never want a three cut. And the consistency with my putters,

655
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,240
there's noe by knowing the plutter. If you can the

656
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:03,440
plutter or forth. If you heat a piece of material

657
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,279
up and let it cool off, it's there's going to

658
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:10,680
be hot spots in that putter. There'll be places on

659
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,440
that face where the wall will jump off faster than others,

660
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:18,200
and places that are dead. When it's sheet it up,

661
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:21,279
you know, those molecules will run and they'll stay there,

662
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,519
and then they'll when it cools, they'll stay out there too.

663
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,240
You know, when machining the putters, it's the same all

664
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,480
the way across that face, so it's always going to

665
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,559
feel the same. That's why I don't do any putters

666
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:37,640
with inserts sound because inserts number one they will move

667
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,759
number two. If the temperature changes five or ten degrees,

668
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,279
the fuel of that insert will change, so it's like

669
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,720
you're putting, it's a different putter. I want this splutter

670
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,720
to feel the same. If you're playing in one hundred

671
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,359
and twenty degree heater, you're playing in forty degrees. Is

672
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,599
thirty mile a mile win? And having it raining, It's

673
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,440
going to feel the same every time you stroke it,

674
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,839
and that's what I want, built confidence and repeatability.

675
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,799
Speaker 1: Well you ain't the king of bling, but you're the

676
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:09,679
prince of putters.

677
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much.

678
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Kenny. I really appreciate you. You've

679
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,199
given the education but also sharing your knowledge with us.

680
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,599
I've learned a tremendous amount and I cannot wait to

681
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:28,000
give a Kenny Giannini putter a try because I just

682
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,880
have a sense that I may be going from thirty

683
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,599
three thirty four putts around down to twenty eight twenty nine,

684
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:35,840
and that is my goal.

685
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: Well that's you know, that's the only club in your

686
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,519
bank that you're going to be able to do that with.

687
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so so important.

688
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,199
Speaker 3: When you get one and try and then who you'll

689
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,119
be able to say, hey, this really works, all.

690
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,639
Speaker 1: Right, Kenny. Well again, it's Kennygianini putters dot com and

691
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,800
Ganini is g I N N I N I and

692
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,639
the information is there on our blog posts and please

693
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,760
check them out because really, stop spending money on drivers

694
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,920
and all these other things, because that's not the way

695
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,679
to go. And if you missed that conversation, definitely check

696
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,599
out the last episode. Kenny, thanks so much for your

697
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,559
time and I look forward to speaking with you again.

698
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: SOO well, Fred, thank you very much for having me.

699
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:27,079
I really enjoyed it, and thank you