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Everything's there. I want to welcome everyone back to the

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Peaking Yona Show, Shay Burtons Back, Jay, how are you

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doing doing well? Pete?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for earning me back on always enjoy it?

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Speaker 1: Of course I do as well. All right, So I

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think when I reached out to you, I said that

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I had just been listening to our friend Charles Haywood.

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He was doing one of his book reviews, and it

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was a book about the how not that liberal liberalism

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is dying, but that liberalism is dead. And I thought

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we could talk about that, we could talk about conservatism.

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But you know, one of the things that mister Haywood

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said was that the book did not address what comes next,

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and I thought we could finish up talking about that.

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But when are you? Are you the same as me

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when someone said, oh, says liberalism is dying, you you think, oh,

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that's not true. It's already dead. It just doesn't know it.

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There are the people who still adhere to it don't

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know it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, if you look at it, right,

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who are the liberals? And when we say liberal understand

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you know, dear listener, we're not talking about, you know,

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the two thousand and seven style liberal Democrats, you know,

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Nancy Pelosi and others we're talking about people who believe

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in classical liberalism. Effectively, those beliefs are reserved for society's

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greatest losers. The conservative movement, the kind of smoldering remains

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of the idw people who do not matter. That is

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where you will find is kind of reverent references to liberalism,

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you know those thinkers. Now that doesn't mean right that

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now that we've you know, the liberalism is dead, that

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we're done with the left. Those are two different things.

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But if you look at the current left, the exciting left,

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where the eyes are going, these are profoundly ill liberal politicians.

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The conversation around Zohan Zohan Mamdani, it's a Star Wars name.

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I'm sorry, I can't say it is largely brain dead,

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but very fundamentally he is not a liberal. Sure, there's

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a gap between what he says he will do and

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what he has already done, but if you look at

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what he's saying, he's basically a combination between a kind

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of Bernie socialist and a smash and grab third worlder.

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right people fresh off the boat, as it were. Similarly,

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for Resmusen, who's talking about the divide on the right

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between the thirty plus and thirty under or the under

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thirties on any number of issues, and basically what he

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found is that nominal Republican voters under thirty are extremely radical,

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for instance, on bombing drug boats. Look, you and I

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are probably on the same page that the defense industry

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is not exactly telling us what's going on with Venezuela.

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smugglers out of the water is you know, a grave

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affront to one you know, liberal aversion to collective punishment,

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the idea that everyone deserves trial. Also, you know, the

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rules based international order, one of the kind of crown

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jewels of international liberalism. And basically people are saying, yeah,

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got bigger guns. Blowing up pirates is pretty much all

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states have ever done. I mean, go back to Caesar

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attitude of well, I don't care is sort of common

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to both the left and the right. No one believes

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these platitudes about liberalism anymore except for the designated losers,

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the people we've already mentioned. And look, I don't want

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to come across as overly jubilant about that. It would

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be very nice to live in a society where politics

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was more limited, where it was understood that certain things

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were beyond the pale. But quite fundamentally, we do not

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live in that world, and we haven't for a while.

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punitively termed, are really not innovators. We are waking up

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to a realization that the left made generations ago, that

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the system has no enforcement mechanism. You need power to

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enforce liberalism, and if that liberalism is unwilling to enforce itself, well,

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there are all these different exploits built into the system.

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that's been broken, you know, if you're still playing, you know,

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the kind of official rules book version of should we say,

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boxing or basketball, and you're in a prison yard, you're

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not going to have a good time of it. So

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even then, right, this, this realization is as well and

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truly done. And the problem is, look track a little bit.

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The idea of secularism is fundamentally a lie. Every political

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project is religious, and this, this liberal system was ultimately

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a civic religion. It held certain things to be sacred.

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into the holies of holies and you were not struck,

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dumb or struck down. Once you have you know, gone

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into you know, the glade dedicated to Odin and chucked

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a spear at the idol and you're still there, Well,

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the magic's gone. Right, You've broken that sort of sacred

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aura around a religion, around the system. And to your point, Pete,

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I mean, really this system was broken in the sixties.

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that attitude of well I simply don't care. I would

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expect that to accelerate as material conditions declined. Look, you know,

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it's easy to kind of, you know, mouth along these

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sort of platitudes when everything's going well, when you don't

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really have to think about politics all that much. It

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seems very distant because you're getting richer. Fair enough, the

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job market might not be great, but your portfolio is

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going up. You're richer than your parents, so what does

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it matter? But in a situation where things are demonstrably

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getting worse. Look, everyone knows the economic stuff, but even

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on a social level, current estimations are that less than

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half of Gen Z adults, which includes people up to

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the age of about twenty nine, have ever had sex. Now, look, man,

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you and I are shall we say, quite to the

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right of the average person. We understand that, you know,

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just constant serial monogamy is what the sociologists would call it.

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of sexual partners is not necessarily a great thing in society.

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interacting with the opposite sex, well we reach less than half.

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of people who are buying a home average first time

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home buyer, I think is forty now, and you have

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a large number of people who really aren't getting a

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lot from the current existing order. They are able to

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do things that humans have done throughout time, which is

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pair bond pass on their genes. They don't have a

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stake in society, a literal ownership piece of culture that

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they own that ties them to the existing order. And

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so you have this immense knot of people on both

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the left and the right who basically say, I don't care,

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just change something. I think that Incorrectly, conservatives, particularly the megatypes,

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assumed that Trump's victory in twenty twenty four was a

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shift to the Republicans. It was not. It was a

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rejection of the status quo, a rejection of Joe Biden

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for all of the reasons anyone would want to reject

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Joe Biden. And what we have seen over the last

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fairly disastrous year is that those people were more interested

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in that project fixing whatever the big issue is than

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they ever were with the Republican Party. Look at again

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the swing to Mumdannie. Now, obviously there's a world of

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difference between the sort of young people who voted for

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Mumdanni or even the young people that exist in New

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York and on a national level, we understand that, but

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nonetheless there is widespread unhappiness. Going back to this article

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I mentioned with the guy from Resmusen, and I realized

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that not being able to cite your sources is incredibly

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poor form, Pete, but I'll drop you a link after

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this recording and so you can actually include in the

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show notes so people can check it out. But one

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of the other things that he talks about when examining

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Speaker 1: Thirty crabs, it's Mark Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, thank you professional podcaster ladies and gentlemen, But

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you look at what Mark Mitchell says. In addition to

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the kind of disregard for the rules based international order, which,

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let's be honest, is always a fiction, but nonetheless it

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does hold weight in certain circles, also being very comfortable

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with drastic things, for instance, jailing judges Judge Jim Bohasberg

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no points for guessing where his parents are from, saying

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that that guy should go to jail for what We'll

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figure it out later. But one of the most interesting ones,

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one that really stuck out to me, was the large

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number of people, a plurality of under thirty voters who

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were okay with an AI dictatorship. Now, look, I'm not

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a big fan of an AI dictatorship, and let's take

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the AI out of it, but basically okay with top

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down centralized control. The idea of let's throw this whole

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system out and have someone who decides something. Look, we're

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not populis to here. We understand that broadly speaking, you know,

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public perception does not influence politics. But nonetheless this is

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a seismic sea change. These people have by and large

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completely rejected liberalism. So to answer your question of well,

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what comes next, obviously we don't know. You shouldn't bet

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on any one thing that I am going to predict here,

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are pretty much already done. One is a pivot to

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just pure tribal politics, right discarding any sort of niceties

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around race or culture. I think a particularly iconic moment

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for this is the current kind of protests around immigration

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law you have in Los Angeles earlier this year, protesters

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waving the Mexican flag and screeching about Larraza the rates.

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for one example, for a long time, but it's becoming

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more and more naked. The necessity to kind of dress

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it up in church, it up in liberal language is

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really falling to the wayside I'll reference Mondani as well

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as in all things. The Right is a later late

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adopter of this. But like him or hate him, the

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relative mainstreaming of one Nicholas J. F. Wenttes has shown

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that that is no longer a third rail. It is

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no longer something that can be completely and totally excluded

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from discourse, despite the firm desire of the American conservative movement,

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who is by and large completely and totally useless. I

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think that that is fast fast approaching. I would also

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cite the recent spat of working class white women dropping

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the word of power in interactions with you know, diverse Americans.

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It's a lagging indicator that there is no longer that

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same sort of sacred aura we mentioned earlier about the

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ultimate sacrament right, the holy group, which must be protected

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at all costs, the ultimate you know, anathema. Saying that

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word is still you know, it'll get you in trouble.

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Don't walk in there, you know, don't walk into your

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corporate office with Burger King crown on. But clearly it

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no longer has the same kind of sacred significance it

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once did, especially as white Americans become a minority, which

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in all likelihood will occur, You're going to lose that

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sort of prudish attitude. Look at the boomers, right, they

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are perhaps the ones most inculcated in the cult of

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Martin Luther King. On the left, certainly no one cares

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about him anymore. No one believes in these sort of

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bromides about the content of their character. No one really,

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even on the conservative side of the argument, believes that

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he was a Republican or he was some sort of

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you know, social conservative conservative. Really that idea only exists

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as kind of a relic, you know, something of a

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previous era. So that's one I think that, you know,

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the the landscape around identity politics will change to that point. Again,

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look at who says that phrase in a negative context,

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identity politics. It's losers, right, These are not people who

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are in a serious position. I think another one that

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is going to happen is I think that we are

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in the preparation for an attempted right wing perch. You

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don't have to be a genius to figure this out.

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Just look at the massive chimp out over the last

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let's be honest, six months longer than that over first

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Tucker Carlson, than Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, our friend

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Daryl Cooper. All of these incidents were used to or

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at least attempts to gin up a perch. Right, what

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we did in the eighties, what we did in the nineties,

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what they did in the eighties, did in the nineties,

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and that didn't work. So I think that that cat

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is well and truly out of the back. On another level,

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going to become a non starter. The boomers hold a

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massive amount of property, they hold a massive amount of wealth.

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and less of a stake in libertarian economics. It just

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is not a live issue anymore. You'll notice this talking

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to gen xers and boomers, for instance, around Sohon Mamdani.

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The fact that he is a socialist to them is

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completely and totally beyond the pale. That's the same thing

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as admitting that you're, you know, a Satanist that you

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you know, dress up as a dog and you know,

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want to have sex with men and truck stops. It

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should be totally it should be totally, you know, beyond

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the pale. But it's not because for people under a

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certain age that no longer holds any sort of special

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weight to it. It is simply, well, I want to

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not be poor. And look, we all understand that socialism

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is a bad way to go about that, especially in

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the Sohon Mamdani sense. But nonetheless that that ideological commitment

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to capitalism, that ideological commitment to liberalism, has gone away.

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And so I think libertarian economics are going to become

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less and less of a feature in politics. I mean,

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look at the MAGA movement itself. Trump from the very

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beginning has marketed himself as a protectionist. It shot him

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to as of yet unheard of electoral successes. For the

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post Cold War conservative movement, that issue as well and

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truly dead, I think, as far as others. And this

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is perhaps more difficult to speculate, but I think that

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within our lifetime, and look, an immense amount of progress

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has already been made. Israel is going to become effectively

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a pariah among the American public. We're already seeing this happen.

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And again we understand that public opinion does not yield

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political results, but effectively, what we're seeing now is politicians

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like Ted Cruz are being roundly mocked by their own

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voter base, by the people who one would expect would

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vote for conservatives. This kind of slavish deference to Israel,

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that's becoming more and more of a negative. Now, look,

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where do these people get their money from? Will they

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give that up?

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Speaker 1: Likely?

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Speaker 2: No. But additionally, it's also important to remember that as

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America Brown's, as it changes, the blood libel, the historical

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guilt narrative, you know, kind of placed on the heads

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of you know, white Americans, becomes less and less effective because,

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to be quite honest, what does a guy from elsalvad

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Or care? He doesn't. So I think that that kind

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of social dissolution will affect that issue as well. One

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last point, if I can, I think that what we're seeing,

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and you can look at the writings of Josh Neil

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as well as others, is a complete and total fracturing

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of any sort of cohesive American culture, American narrative. Amongst

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my generation gen Z, there is no mass culture. There

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are thousands and thousands of algorithmically driven subculture, and so

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really no one has a cohesive narrative on anything. And

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so I think as well, and we're already seeing this

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with figures like Candice Owens as well as others. Ian

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Carroll is that there's this sort of populist conspiracy culture,

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you know, which is not really directed in anyone in anyone,

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you know, particular Vein. It is simply broad distrust of

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any official narrative, any elite group whatsoever. Really, I think

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that is the fault of you know, the liberal establishment.

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I think that is the fault of the expert class.

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They have allowed their expertise to wane. But I think

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that's a major problem as well. That, you know, as

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the Internet completely fractures any sense of culture, it will

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become very difficult to even say what does X y

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Z demographic think because all of those traditional social groups

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which defined people are being replaced with decentralized sort of

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algorithmic tribe. So I think we're also going to see

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a r andr this rise of this kind of you know,

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mass conspiracy culture.

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Speaker 1: Three.

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Speaker 2: I've thrown a lot out at you, Pete. I'll let

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you respond after my diatribe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me go back to the beginning talking about liberalism.

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You mentioned the rejection of Joe Biden and you know,

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mostly Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris too. A lot of people

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may say, oh, that's that was you know, Joe Biden

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and Kamala Harris are liberals. That was a rejection of liberalism. No, No,

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the rejection of liberalism. I'll go so far as to

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say the rejection of conservatism. And although even further to

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say the rejection of how the United States has been

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operating for eighty years was in twenty sixteen when Trump

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was first elected. Now, we like to say Trump Trump,

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the man doesn't really we don't know what if it

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means anything, but his election, the fact that he would

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get elected means that to me that liberalism, conservatism, that

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the way things have been running have been rejected. And

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what you saw with them jumping back in and you know,

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whatever happened with the election in twenty twenty, don't believe

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Time Magas, don't think believe a word. Time Magazine says,

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apparently that was like a last gasp to try to

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force back in the Nuremberg regime, the New Deal regime,

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and they just they went so far and it was

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so obvious that the president wasn't running the country, that

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not only are people rejecting liberalism, not only are people

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rejecting conservatism. Not only are people rejecting the way things

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have been done for one hundred years now, but they're

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also basically rejecting what they're being told. You know, I've

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said this recently that you know, you talked about Israel

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and the whole thing around that and how much you know,

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less than fifty percent of the population is now is

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now anti Israel. When it comes to the Zoomer generation,

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that number, you know, goes much lower, or that number

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that is pro Israel is much lower, And you know,

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I've said that, you know, really the only way they

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could possibly get it back is like this huge, massive

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false flag. But then when you look at the way

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things are done now, most people will be like, no,

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that was a false flag, that's bull crap. So it's

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also a rejection of the reality that we've been sold

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to the point where where people don't know what reality

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is and they're willing to listen to someone like Kansas

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Owens talk about like Egyptians flying around them planes on

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the day that Charlie Kirkid shot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's a valid point, and I think

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it's it's important to bring up the degree to which

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and you mentioned it earlier that you know, we really

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do live in the decaying remains of FDR's world Nuremberg regime.

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And there's certainly a very real ideological component to that,

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the anti fascism of the American Empire, but we also

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have to understand that it is fundamentally a managerial regime.

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FDR is sort of infamous for his brain trust, right,

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the idea of collecting a bunch of experts together, putting

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them into some three letter government department, and then they

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become the kings of agriculture or you know, the kings

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of the environment, and this administrative state to you know,

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sort of bar borrow a word from ur in here

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has grown massively, but that depended on trust in the

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experts and COVID the pandemic, which you can really look

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at as kind of the last gasp of that system,

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was a desire to bank on the one area of

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expertise that most Americans still believed in the medical establishment

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or science. And while surely there are still, you know,

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lunatics wearing masks in the year of our Lord twenty

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twenty five, that's a distinct minority. And even if someone

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hasn't gone down the same rabbit holes that you or

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I have pete. The general consensus was, I speak to

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people about this quite often. Well, that was a giant

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waste of time, even if they don't necessarily have the

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correct opinions on you know, where a virus would have

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come from or anything else. Nonetheless, a crazy amount of

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social capital was spent both with the pandemic itself also

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in the twenty twenty the election. Using the language of

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the experts, have decreed this is simply the official narrative,

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and people have reacted by rejecting that, not at all

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in any cohesive direction, in millions of different directions, most

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of them very very stupid, so okay, not ideal. But

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again we have to understand that that social element has

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been massively weakened again. Right, if we look at the

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you know, the cases of these two women, the cinnabon

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worker and then you know Shilah Hendrix using that word,

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it's important to remember that those people have been made

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relatively speaking, quite wealthy. They've gotten a lot of money

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for it. And well why is that. Well, sure, it's

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because people feel bad for them. They say they were

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in a bad position. They want to help out. But

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also every dollar given to them is a rejection of

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the regime, a rejection of expertise, and also a rejection

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of a previous order where it was understood that identity politics,

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that arguing for your guys, regardless of what happened specifically,

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is just not something done by the maturity population. That's

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for them, you know, Al Sharpton can do that, but

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we would never dare. And again, that was received wisdom,

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handed down by the experts, by the education system, by

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effectively every American institution. And again, I don't want to

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overstate the case here, there are still a vast number

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of people for whom that word, that phrase is a

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deal breaker. It's just a circuit breaker ideologically, that flips

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and they're done. But we're talking in relative terms here.

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The amount of people who feel that that is no

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longer disqualifying to you having any sort of life whatsoever, well,

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there's a lot more people who say, yeah, I don't

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care whatever, it's fine. She doesn't deserve to have her

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life ruined. And that's a huge problem. That's a major

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problem for regime because again, if we look at Machiavelli, right,

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the classic distinction between foxes and lions, you know, the

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sort of sneaky manipulative leader versus the man of action

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who sits at the top and say, you know, do

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what I say or else well or elites are all foxes.

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Look at the nudge units in the UK. Look at

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effectively the whole Obama regime where that book Nudge Right

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became so popular as a way to influence public opinion.

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Is that really they're not particularly comfortable with force making

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people do something. They want to engineer public opinion. Those

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circuits are still there, you know, there still is, you know,

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the blue and on voters. They've been able to engineer

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this sort of campaign of stochastic terrorism by activating sleeper

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cells of you know, deeply mentally unwell sexual degenerates. That

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still is there, That still exists. But if we're looking

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at trend lines, THEIRS is going down. That ability is decreasing,

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I think. But again, if we're talking about predictions for

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the future, things are likely to get pretty nasty as

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far as political violence is concerned. A while back on

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a show with Carl Dahl, I read a piece from

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Wired the hard Left shooters leading a gun culture Revolution,

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which is basically about autistic men who are both really

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into customizing weapons and also into customizing their own bodies

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and dressing up in skirts odd people, and the content

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of it is really not that great. He went to

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some you know, shooting competition where there was a you know,

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a fire accidentally started, got closed down, so we didn't

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even actually do anything. But he talked to a number

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of these activists, members of the John Brown Gun Club,

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Carl Cassada, who sort of Internet old heads will remember,

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has been a laughingstock for decades now, but you know,

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interviewed him as well as a few other people. And

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what's really striking about the article is the framing of

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the whole thing, the framing that conservatives' fascists, right, the

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designated Satan of the state cult, are out to get minorities,

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to get particularly intersexual minorities, and so those people are

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justified in preparing for violence. They should be arming themselves

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to protect themselves from the Gestapo. They should be preparing

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for and this is a phrase that appeared in that

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article multiple times, a new years of lead anticipating a

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return of political violence not seen sense post War Italy,

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right when any number of hundreds of people were murdered

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in Tit for Tat violence. I think that there's a

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very real chance that in several years we will look

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back on twenty twenty five and say, well, that's where

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it started. Obviously, the assassination of Kirk, the attempted assassination

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of Donald Trump, the number of kind failed terrorist attacks

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00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,319
on ICE facilities, and you know DHS personnel, and I

475
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,759
think that is another trend that shows no sign of abating.

476
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,519
I don't want to get too tinfoil hat here, but

477
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:12,720
one of the other narratives that's being floated. You've seen

478
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:16,240
this on billboards and major urban areas. You've seen this

479
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:20,480
from the you know, the dramatically named seditious six is

480
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:27,240
this threat of political reprisal. For instance, Rep Rimila Jaya Paul.

481
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:29,599
I think that's how you say her name again, another

482
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,079
star Wars name out of Washington, A Democrat, if you

483
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,440
believe it. She made this explicit speaking to the to

484
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,559
the House of Representatives. She basically said, and remember, if

485
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:46,000
you violate the law, we're gonna get you. Paraphrase but

486
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,759
pretty close to what she said that Mark Kelly and

487
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,240
others have have intimated the same thing all the way

488
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,160
up to the point of saying or advising for us

489
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:59,839
servicemen to disregard their orders. Remember, if you violate the law,

490
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,519
if you violate the constitution, we can get you sort

491
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:08,000
of laying the groundwork for seemingly a coup. Now it

492
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:11,759
might not happen, of course, but that's worrisome, right, the

493
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,519
fact that they're at least floating that kind of language

494
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,359
around a sort of military resistance to you know, Donald Trump,

495
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:20,680
who admittedly is you know, I'm no fan of as

496
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,359
we've said before, but still that is an inclination that

497
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,200
political violence seems in the offing. Again, I don't support that.

498
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,000
I don't want that to happen, and I think that

499
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:35,440
a well run society would not tolerate it. But yet

500
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,359
here we are. I think that's another sort of very

501
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,440
tepid prediction I can make.

502
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,039
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Uh. You had mentioned gen Z earlier,

503
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,559
and you've we've done an episode, we've done an episode

504
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:56,079
on gen Z, just concentrating on gen Z before, and

505
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,440
you've said that it seems I mean, I don't know

506
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,160
that you've said this officially, but only like privately, you've

507
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,559
said it seems like gen Z is either far right

508
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:10,359
or far left, like there's no middle ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

509
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:17,319
if if, if they're basically far right or far left,

510
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:25,240
that is a clear sign that they've rejected everything. They've

511
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:32,400
rejected what they've been sold liberalism, conservatism, progressivism, whatever it is,

512
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:39,000
and they're sort of without even maybe knowing it, maybe

513
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,480
not from maybe not from reading books, but maybe from

514
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:46,880
listening to podcasts, or maybe by just being in the

515
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:52,519
Zeitgey said, they're existing in, they're accepting, they're looking at

516
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,839
back and they're going, Okay, So we live in a

517
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,640
time where we, you know, what we believe. If we

518
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,359
believe something, we could be attacked over it, we could

519
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,559
lose job over it. I'm never gonna be able to

520
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,119
own a house. I'm never gonna be able to this.

521
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:15,799
All of this kind of economic horror is being showered

522
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:21,240
down upon us. So what historically have is there that

523
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:24,559
we can use that to use to fight with? And

524
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,119
it seems like they're one group is saying, well, we're

525
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,319
going to run all the way to the far left,

526
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,400
and the other one is saying we're going to run

527
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,920
all the way to the far right. I guess depending

528
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:44,759
upon there. I mean some metaphysical definitely like something about

529
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:51,960
them metaphysically and biologically genetically also, I believe that I

530
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:58,319
believe that's passed down. But it seems like if they're

531
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,519
going either far left or far right, there is by

532
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:08,639
the time they come to power to have power, which

533
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,360
is going to happen at some time or another, whether

534
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,400
the money is there or not. You know, it's like

535
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,280
you need in order to become political, you have to

536
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,639
be supported by money, and which there's another reason why

537
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,039
conservatism is dead and liberalism is dead if gen z

538
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,400
is either far left or far right, and the boomers

539
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,159
who are classical liberal whatever, conservatives whatever they are, and

540
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,840
then you have the progressives that aren't willing to go

541
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,639
as far left as some people are willing to go

542
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,760
and have historically, it seems like if they come, if

543
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,199
they get to a point where there's no hope, well

544
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,119
we're going to see history repeat itself because the only

545
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,440
thing that they're going to have is action. If you

546
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,519
without fed posting.

547
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: Well, and this is this is a big problem really

548
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,440
the Republican Party, Donald Trump in particular, have to borrow

549
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,079
a phrase from the youth fumbled the bag here because look,

550
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,400
you know, a large part of the reason that people

551
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,400
were dissatisfied with Joe Biden. Other than the obvious was

552
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,440
that everything kind of sucked. The economy wasn't working great.

553
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,559
Everyone felt just uneasy and unsecure. And so to be

554
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,320
in power for a year now and to repeatedly say,

555
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,440
you know, the economy is better than it's ever been.

556
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:42,360
Trump recently rated his economic performance as a plus plus

557
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,400
plus plus plus despite you know not, despite additionally remarking

558
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:53,719
that affordability is a quote Democrat hoax, not once, but twice.

559
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,639
You have a number of people who are saying, well,

560
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,199
what are my options here? Like I want to get

561
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:02,800
a start, I want to contribute. I want to index

562
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,559
with society. Do the things that my parents and grandparents did.

563
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,679
You get a decent job, support yourself, meet a woman,

564
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,400
and own property. And when you very cleanly first left

565
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,519
then right, been shown that well, there is no option

566
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:23,000
for me within the system. There is no solution. Well,

567
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:27,079
people are going to look elsewhere, particularly if they have

568
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,719
nothing holding them back. If you've got a wife, you're like,

569
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,440
I don't want to do that. It'd probably be hard

570
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,119
for her if I go to jail. If you have

571
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,239
a house, you're like, I'll not there to make the

572
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,119
house payment. And if I lose my job, that's kind

573
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,800
of tough. Whereas if you have a group of people

574
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,440
who quite literally have nothing to lose. Historically, this is

575
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,360
what revolutions were made of. You'll remember there were a

576
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,880
number of kind of ironically enough, kind of morally high

577
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,239
handed essays that came out during the Global War on Terror,

578
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,000
particularly the late parts, talking about how bad Islamic society.

579
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,519
These are, Yeah, Islamic societies because of you know, polygamy

580
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,599
and all of these other issues, have this mass class

581
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:12,639
of uh, effectively loser virgin young men who can't get

582
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:16,880
a wife, can't get started because those resources are being

583
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,599
held by a small population of hyper successful men on

584
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,599
a genetic level, right, these kind of patriarchs, And so

585
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:27,360
that's what that's what creates Ghati's people who have nothing

586
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,679
else to do, basically biological cruise missiles. And Okay, maybe

587
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,880
the moral can't was a little bit much, but that

588
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,679
argument holds up. Right, that does not a successful, happy

589
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480
society make Like I don't have the same you know,

590
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,039
punitive view of Islam that some of our more Zionist

591
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,599
compatriots do. But nonetheless I don't really want to live

592
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,719
in Afghanistan, to be really honest, it doesn't sound that fun.

593
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,679
Speaker 1: And I don't want I don't have one Afghanistan to

594
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,079
come here. I don't have a particularly poor I don't

595
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:09,119
have the poor opinion of Islam that a lot of

596
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:12,719
people do, even people on our side. But that doesn't

597
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,159
mean that I want them here. I just want to Yeah,

598
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,280
I want them to live their lives where they are.

599
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: And five and so you know, if we're looking at

600
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:27,400
that accurately identifying that mistake and then not ten years

601
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,840
later running the same playbook, like oh wow, that really

602
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,079
messed up your society, What if I try it? It's like, well,

603
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,320
what do you think is going to happen? Okay, maybe

604
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,199
we don't have the sort of Inceel Taliban, you know,

605
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,719
running around, you know, blowing people up in car bombs,

606
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,760
But you think that's going to lead to a stable

607
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,800
society where you hypothetical boomer conservative can have a pleasant retirement,

608
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,719
Like you really don't think that there will be negative

609
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:56,440
externalities to doing this? And I think that you see

610
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,639
this on both the political right and the political left.

611
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,199
I mentioned this sort of Trantifa sleeper cell network, you know,

612
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,360
like the guy who shot Kirk, the guy who you

613
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,320
know took a shot at Trump the sort of again,

614
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,679
but for their political ideologies, the kind of stereotype of

615
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,280
you know, the right wing an on obviously not based

616
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,119
in reality in that case, but the the you know,

617
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:21,199
the shut d loser who's got nothing going on, who

618
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,760
just wants to strike out at the system. And there

619
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,880
really is a sort of horseshoe theory there.

620
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: Right.

621
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: You can look at the I can't remember, I think

622
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,119
it was the Dallas Fort Worth shooter, right, he killed

623
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:37,679
you know, thirty people, I believe because of the great replacement,

624
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:39,840
you know, and then you look at the guy who

625
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,639
shot Kirk because of the rising tide of fascism. You

626
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:44,920
dig down and like, really, neither one of those guys

627
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,159
is particularly ideological. You know, that Dallas Fort Worth shooter

628
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,440
has a manifesto, but it kind of all over the place.

629
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,559
You know. You can tell he read a few books,

630
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,000
you know, absorbed some four Chan memes, and then most

631
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:58,719
of it is just him talking about how generally angry

632
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,079
he is. Similarly, we don't know as much about the kirkshooter,

633
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,519
but you know, by every available information, yeah, sure he

634
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,360
was into some weird sex stuff, but wasn't all that

635
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,039
political until relatively recently. He's just a loser that didn't

636
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,119
have much going on. And look, there's a certain amount

637
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:18,440
of that happens in any society. We understand that the

638
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:23,199
male of our species has high variability, more geniuses and

639
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,519
more idiots, So there's a certain amount of that that

640
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,280
will happen. But to sort of lean into that, to

641
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,039
deliberately create people who in another society would be successful,

642
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,559
would be helpful, would be building something, and push them

643
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:40,480
to the margins, I mean, dude, that's a huge problem.

644
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,480
I think. Another interesting development, and we've been seeing this

645
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,440
for a while, is that globalism has really come home.

646
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,840
So previously the crimes of globalism, you know, destroying the

647
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,920
American working class, destroying the rost belt, we're sort of

648
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,960
hidden by the fact that those people weren't particularly wealthy.

649
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,119
They weren't you know, the culture bearing class as it were.

650
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,239
It was you know, working people. And if you are

651
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,800
as our dearly departed friend zy Men said, one of

652
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,440
the cloud people right, who descends onto earth, that doesn't

653
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,119
affect you. You don't really like the chuds. But all

654
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,840
of a sudden, globalism is coming home. And it turns

655
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,559
out that you can pay a guy from India who

656
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,199
says he has a degree to do a lot of

657
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,920
these sort of laptop jobs, and so I think that

658
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,559
it will be interesting to see which wins out, the

659
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:33,519
immediate economic interest of not wishing to be replaced in

660
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:40,519
your job, or the kind of social patronage network where

661
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:44,280
people are paid off not directly, but by feeling better

662
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,320
than their parents, by being seen as morally superior. I

663
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,320
don't know which one will break first. That sort of

664
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,159
social conditioning is very, very deeply wired, and we talk

665
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,519
about the Nuremberg regime. A big part of that is

666
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:02,639
social engineering particularly, I think, and I've been talking to

667
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,480
our mutual friends Stormy Waters about this, the kind of

668
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,760
you know, a hypothetical kind of you know, laptop American woman, right,

669
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,639
someone who makes you know, one one hundred and twenty

670
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:15,519
a year at you know, some sort of you know,

671
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:18,079
to be honest, completely pointless laptop job.

672
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,079
Speaker 1: One.

673
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: Guess what, by the raw economic calculation, you're working class

674
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,320
now you're not middle class anymore. And you are also okay,

675
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,679
sure there's you know, some purchasing power. Some there's a

676
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,480
hell a lot of threat to your purchasing power, you know,

677
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:36,920
your actual economic standing, setting aside the cost of living,

678
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,800
which in many of these areas is extortionate. But also

679
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,280
now you are right for replacement, right you. Your job

680
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,920
can be done by you know, Vivek. It can be

681
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,920
done by you know, a a guy from somewhere else.

682
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,880
And that's sort of a question mark for me because

683
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,760
I genuinely don't know which will break first. You know,

684
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,800
when it comes to issues of security, it certainly has

685
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,239
not gotten bad enough to produce some sort of meaningful

686
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,960
change there. You know, the meme of you know, the

687
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,320
progressive woman being accosted on the safety or on the subway,

688
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,960
you're writing an angry post about men writ large and

689
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,639
then voting for Zoorhan Mandani. That is accurate. But I

690
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,960
wonder if we will see a political realignment in the

691
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,440
same way we saw a political alignment among you know,

692
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,199
the American white working class who are historically Democrats since

693
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,280
you know, basically the Great Depression, and yet and as

694
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,280
they were sort of cast aside, a new political I

695
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,599
guess you could say a new political coalition was formed.

696
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,320
I don't know on that front. That's sort of an

697
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,440
open question for me. But I think if we were

698
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,920
looking for an area to make headway, and look, you've

699
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,119
been to the same political conferences I have. There's a

700
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,719
whole lot more people with laptop jobs there than there

701
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,239
used to be. I wonder if that is a possible

702
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,960
area of expansion for the true or as you've said,

703
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,199
the serious right.

704
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think what it leads to is

705
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,239
what I've been saying, you know for a while now,

706
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:22,320
is the reaction to what seems like to it talitarianism

707
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:28,119
and an attack on who you are, an attack on

708
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,920
your being, the social engineering you talked about. Once people

709
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:40,199
realize that, then the reaction is going to be right

710
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:47,760
wing or left wing authoritarianism. From a historic standpoint, It's

711
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,880
not going to look exactly like it is because I mean,

712
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,079
this is the United States. It could be fragmented. It

713
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:58,159
could be certain parts turn out that certain parts embrace

714
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,519
it really hard, or are place is just completely reject it.

715
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,800
But if you if you understand that the answer historically

716
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,559
the answer to what we've been dealing with for the

717
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,239
last eighty years, and even on a small scale, you know,

718
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,719
you could just look at the the inter war periods

719
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:26,519
of how countries reacted to what was becoming the spirit

720
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:30,079
of the age at that point, then it's going to

721
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,000
go hard one way, or it's going to go hard

722
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,599
the other. And you know, at that point you either

723
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,679
hope to be someplace where you can influence it, someplace

724
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,039
where you can actually have some kind of leadership or

725
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,559
thought or a part of the thinking of it, or

726
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,320
you're just praying that it goes in the direction that

727
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,639
you that you would like to see, whether you're a

728
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,800
left wing or right wing, because if it you know,

729
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,119
if it doesn't, then you know, I mean, I actually

730
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:06,559
I agree with Heywood. There will be violence in the

731
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:10,280
United States in the future. It'll be there'll be pockets

732
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,519
of it. It won't be widespread. It won't be all

733
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,599
of the South. You know, the North invades all of

734
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,280
the South. But you know it will be cities and

735
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,519
suburbs and x you know, cities against suburbs and exurbs,

736
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,679
or I mean, it could be the national Guard or

737
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,760
you know, actual troops against states, or you know, the

738
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,719
national guard in a state against some part of the

739
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,480
state that wants to break off, or something like that.

740
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:46,840
But when you when you take into account how what

741
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,400
gen Z looks like, when you take into account the

742
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:56,000
that millennials are, I mean, we don't even really know

743
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:59,320
what millennials are gen X is just being passed over

744
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,360
because the book won't leave. So you know, one the

745
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,480
next generation behind that basically gets left out, which I'm

746
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:13,320
fine with as a gen x er, But I don't

747
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:21,159
know how it isn't It isn't authoritarianism, especially when liberalism

748
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:26,760
is being rejected, when conservatism is being rejected, it is

749
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,920
going to be something more akin to the ideologies that

750
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,639
World War Two were fought over.

751
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: Look, Pete, as I've been reliably informed by our social betters,

752
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,039
when fascism comes to America, it will be draped in

753
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,800
the American flag. To that point, I actually think that

754
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,599
you're you're correct in your discussion of gen X and

755
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:54,800
the boomers, and I actually wonder if there is a

756
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,800
possibility that a similar thing will happen to Gen Z

757
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,039
and millennials, where millennials are am which bigger generation. I mean, look,

758
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,960
gen X had Gen Z, that that's who their parents are,

759
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,599
and so look, we're we're all aware of the relevant

760
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:13,400
trends in demography. No one is having kids, and when

761
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,280
you take an already small generation they produce children, it

762
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,400
will be smaller. So I think there is a there's

763
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,719
a chance for that to happen, right, that simply that

764
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,599
the millennials assume their role as the new boomers, and

765
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,559
it's just will be you know, cheering why you won't,

766
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,159
but I might when a ninety year old AOC finally,

767
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,280
you know, shuffles off to a nursing home, and that's

768
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,400
just the new world, which I'll be honest, is a

769
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,679
fate worse than death. The idea of you know, an

770
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:40,800
eighty year millennial Reich, it just sounds like a hell

771
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,440
on earth. But just an aside there to your to

772
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,159
your point about about violence, I think that as well,

773
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:54,559
we're much we're likely to see the increased assuming you know,

774
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:57,679
that the kind of current situation with the border does

775
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,880
not last, which if we have another democratic administration, which

776
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,199
we will, that will not last. That there's very likely

777
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,639
to be an increased presence of organized crime, particularly in

778
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:12,519
the kind of southern area in the US. But I mean, look, man, like,

779
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,159
there are cartel hits out where I live every once

780
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,639
in a while, because there's a highway that's a major

781
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:22,800
fentanyl trafficking line. So you know, as the either you know,

782
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:27,159
because they can't stop it or simply they care not to,

783
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,199
that's likely to become a feature of American life, particularly

784
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,920
as the kind of a narco tyranny kicks up. One

785
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,000
of the interesting things that you can kind of glean

786
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,559
from South Africa is there's actually a point at which

787
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:45,400
a state becomes so stupid and left wing and corrupt

788
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,360
that it literally just can't do anything. And so, you know,

789
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,079
talking to you know a few of our buddies there,

790
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:51,480
it's one of the things they say, which is, like,

791
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,360
the weird thing is we're way more free than you

792
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,960
are because there just is there are not the resources

793
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,760
to tell you not to do something like I'm not

794
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,800
going to get able to trouble, but like South Africa

795
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,840
has pretty dur cronian firearms law technically, but also like

796
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,159
who's checking it? Owe how many people get murdered? And

797
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:12,960
so I think that will be an interesting element as

798
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,280
well to see at what point the monopoly on violence

799
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,920
starts to collapse in certain areas that is sort of

800
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,320
default already the case. Now, a large part of that

801
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,199
is is patronage. You know, you basically give you your

802
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,960
clients a badge that says the police won't bother you,

803
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,960
not necessarily applied to others. San Francis, you know, an

804
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,920
arco tyranny, all of that being given, but I think

805
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,280
that will be an interesting thing to watch. Right, at

806
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,559
what point do you know our leaders lose the ability

807
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:48,239
to monopolize violence in their own state, in their own

808
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,679
nation state. Rather because it has already been proven numerous

809
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,360
times that for the American Empire, they care way more

810
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,480
about foreign policy than they do what happens domestically. And

811
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,159
obviously domestic stuff matters. You know, you need your guys

812
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,400
in seats, which is at least nominally collected to connected

813
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,280
to domestic politics. But I think the story of what

814
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,239
we've seen with Trump two point zero is that the

815
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,159
Empire basically made a deal and said, all right, like

816
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:23,119
you canort you deport someone's gardener, we can you know,

817
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:26,519
throw some people in planes, but we still keep what matters.

818
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:30,599
And what matters is foreign forever wars for the benefit

819
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,119
of a certain Middle Eastern democracy, Right, That's what actually matters.

820
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,679
And so I think it's reasonable to project that trend

821
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,360
into the future and say, well, you know, could there

822
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,760
be a world in which there is widespread lawlessness. The

823
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,039
resources are simply not there. They are still being shipped

824
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:51,400
to forever wars for Israel. I don't think it's one

825
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,320
hundred percent. That would be an interesting possibility that that

826
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:58,400
is what the state that the Empire cares about, you know,

827
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,960
instead of what happens to you or I. Others kind

828
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,440
of trends that are interesting to see. You've seen elsewhere

829
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,320
across the West, particularly in the UK, but also more

830
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,719
recently in Australia, a desire to clamp back down the Panoptacon,

831
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,960
to put the genie back in the bottle, to kind

832
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,079
of persecute a right wing movement. Who knows if they'll

833
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,960
try that here. I mean they will try, but how

834
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,320
far it will get, particularly because one of the things

835
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,039
that you've heard oft repeated, and I mentioned this earlier,

836
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,440
you know, the idea of you know, Nuremberg, I right,

837
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,679
punishing you know, servicemen who were seen to be you know,

838
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,599
supporting the president and his policies too much. But let's

839
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:41,519
also acknowledge the fact that you know, many of these

840
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:45,320
people have said we are going to put people in

841
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,960
the Trump cabinet in jail, you know Pete Hegseth in particular,

842
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,880
but others as well. That could be an interesting destabilization,

843
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:55,239
Like if we just go full banana Republic, right, if

844
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,039
it just becomes Brazil where you lose an election and

845
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,320
you go to jail, that could be interesting. I don't

846
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,559
really know what would happen or if they're serious about that,

847
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,039
but they sure seem to say it a lot, and

848
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,480
generally when they say things a lot, they tend to

849
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:12,199
happen one of the advantages of being in power. But

850
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,199
that could be another kind of, you know, variable to

851
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,119
throw in the mix as well.

852
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: I think about something that our mutual friend Luthemplar said

853
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,360
at the beginning of the year when he came on

854
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:31,840
Pony Express radio very close to after the inauguration, and

855
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,199
he was he just started in with, Okay, if this

856
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,519
administration does not destroy our enemies so that they never

857
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:46,239
can take office again, they are going to take office again,

858
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,519
and they are going to come after us. It will

859
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:54,599
be the punishment that you see them talking about. Pete

860
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:57,840
hag Seth is going to have to go before tribunals

861
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,079
and you know they I've seen me of you know

862
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,039
them on the you know, people in the administration on

863
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,880
the gallows, which makes no sense to me because I'm like,

864
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,159
they're not doing nearly enough. So I mean, it's like

865
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,519
what is this all about, which lets you know exactly

866
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:21,000
how serious they are. But also that leads to if

867
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:26,000
you're you know, if in twenty twenty eight there is

868
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:31,119
a Gavin Newsom or someone worse it gets into power

869
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,039
and they do start coming after people, then I think

870
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:41,000
it goes back to our mutual friend Thomas's right, that

871
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:46,639
it's going to start breaking down to tribing up people

872
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:51,000
moving into the moving into the same area, people just

873
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:57,320
deciding that this doesn't work. You know, it's globalism versus

874
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,199
the resistance, and we're the resistance at that point point,

875
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:03,079
and the only way the resistance is going to survive

876
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:07,519
in this country is through just basically rejecting the regime

877
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:13,039
and seeking to nullify anything that they do. Because, let's

878
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:17,280
face it, our enemies are as much as we hope

879
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:19,840
and as much as we look at, you know, some

880
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,920
of the people that we know who may share our

881
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000
sentiments and that they have they could have the ear

882
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:30,719
of power. We just know that that whole meme of nothing,

883
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:35,159
you know, nothing ever happens, is always just hanging there

884
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,320
and sometimes it's just really hard to escape.

885
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I my main hope with the likely political repression,

886
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,000
I mean, be kind of nice if we're in the

887
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,679
same cell block and lib turd gitmo, right, that might

888
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:52,320
be kind of nice.

889
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: Alternatively pushing a button.

890
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about how embarrassing it would be to be

891
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,880
the guy who doesn't get black bagged. Right, everyone else

892
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,480
gets gone and you're like, oh, really I did say

893
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,400
anything radical enough?

894
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: No, obviously you're the Fed, right.

895
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. They will leave you out just to

896
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,239
be tarred and feather as a federal agent. But in

897
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,559
all seriousness, uh, in this one specific instance, you know,

898
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,840
louth Templar is entirely right. I think his his takes

899
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,239
on on Southern history are rancid and and horrible, to

900
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,800
put it mildly, But yeah, he's great.

901
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: I love that guy, and he's almost gotten muted a

902
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,960
couple of times. Yeah, I just now.

903
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: I I use social media much less than just text him,

904
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,840
which is way better because it means that in order

905
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,000
to talk to him, I don't have to sift through,

906
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,440
you know, a million spurgouts about how you know the

907
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,519
South would have gone communist if they won. Uh, Hank

908
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:50,840
Hank Junior would disagree, And that's enough of a source

909
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,880
for me. But in all seriousness, I think that this again,

910
00:56:56,679 --> 00:57:00,719
is the nail in the coffin of Donald Trump in

911
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,079
the MAGA movement. Is that exact point that you have

912
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:07,440
to understand, And they showed it last time in between

913
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,239
his two terms in power. They're going to ruin his life.

914
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,440
They debanked him, they debanked his wife, they debanked his son,

915
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,000
they went through his wife's underwear drawer. They charged him

916
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:23,840
half a billion dollars for a piece of technical fraud,

917
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:28,119
and they tried to throw him in jail. That mugshot

918
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:33,199
is iconic, and apparently the lesson from that is well,

919
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:35,079
I don't think there was a lesson from that for him.

920
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,599
It was simply, well, that was unpleasant. Anyway, Let's run

921
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:41,599
the same playbook all over again. It is not serious

922
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,400
the consequences, even if they are simply legal. Setting aside

923
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,519
what almost happened to him twice, what happened to Charlie

924
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,320
Kirk has happened, you know, to any number of ICE

925
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,920
or CVP agents. Is that to be blunt, they're out

926
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,480
to get you, and they're not particularly interested in being

927
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,840
subtle about and by hooker by crook, they will enact

928
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,920
their revenge. And so you got a countdown at the

929
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,639
very least I mean, who knows, it might only be

930
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:12,079
till the midterms, but yeah, you got a countdown and

931
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:15,639
then they're gonna come after you. And I would have

932
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:18,719
assumed that out of self interest, if nothing else, just

933
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,960
simple selfishness, the Republican Party would have adjusted their strategy accordingly.

934
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:26,800
Would have said, well, I don't really like doing anything,

935
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,760
but I guess I have to do something if I

936
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,360
don't want to go to jail for the rest of

937
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,599
my life. And it turns out that their laziness extends

938
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:36,800
even to that point, right, that even to save themselves,

939
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:37,360
they will.

940
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: Not act.

941
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: As regards I think that point. I think there's an

942
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,079
interesting scramble going on for the future of the MAGA movement.

943
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: Right.

944
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,199
Speaker 2: This is the kind of, in my mind, real motivation

945
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,199
behind the whole woke right debacle. You know, the idea

946
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,519
is effectively to blame you know, the radicals on the

947
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:01,440
conservative side for ruining our elect ability in twenty twenty

948
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,880
six or twenty twenty eight. And you know, the idea is, well,

949
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:07,400
we need to purge these people, you know, in return

950
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:11,079
to the sensible, you know, kind of middle path. I

951
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:13,159
view that as almost a non starter, even if they

952
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:16,639
can accomplish their immediate goals in purging people, that party

953
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:21,320
will be ungodly unpopular. No one actually cares about that,

954
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,280
and so maybe that is what kills the Republican Party.

955
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,400
That would make my day. Even if you did get

956
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,599
sent to libtard Gitmo, it's like, yeah, well you know

957
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:34,320
they're dead too, So that's better than when I say

958
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,159
they're dead. I mean the Republican Party, not any elected official.

959
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:39,639
I want to clarify that. But who knows, man, So yeah,

960
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:42,440
those are kind of my broad predictions about what is

961
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,039
to come next. Now what emerges out of this at

962
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:49,079
the end, To be honest, man, who knows? Legitimately? Who knows?

963
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,280
It seems as if we were at kind of the

964
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,599
brink of something dramatic. Right, history really has resumed, you know,

965
00:59:56,639 --> 01:00:02,320
Francis Fukiyama btfode, You know, this sort of economic liberalism

966
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,360
will not take over the world, And this pivot away

967
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,559
from liberalism and from ideology writ large has already We

968
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:13,079
already have early adopters like what is the ideology of

969
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:17,440
Xijingping like Jieism? It doesn't even sound right, Like what

970
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:18,760
is the ideology of Putin?

971
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:19,639
Speaker 1: Like?

972
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's that kind of dusty old

973
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:24,880
academic that they bring around every once in a while

974
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,000
and say he's hit Hitler, well FORDI and Slivet there

975
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,639
he's Putin's, you know, court philosopher. No one believes that,

976
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:34,320
or even you know Boukele, who you know, people can

977
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,960
have their opinions on, but he's not really a particularly

978
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,119
ideological figure. He's sort of a you know, doctor Phroncia,

979
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:44,840
as you know South American big man. So yeah, I

980
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,239
think that in sort of an apocal sense, we are

981
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,320
witnessing the death of the Nurrenberg regime and more broadly speaking,

982
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,159
the death of ideology, the death of some totalizing system

983
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,639
by which you organize a human society. And I just

984
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:03,079
want to say, there's a lot of negative things going on.

985
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,400
You know that the lack of seriousness from the Republican

986
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,639
Party is concerning, especially because you know, for figures like

987
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:11,280
you and IP who have associated our names and faces

988
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:16,719
with controversial online statements, there might be some consequences for that.

989
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,880
I don't want to you know, don't want to downplay that,

990
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,440
but I think generally, as in economics, we are consent,

991
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:29,000
we are considering trend lines, and there the regimes line

992
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:33,159
is trending down. No one believes in their magic anymore

993
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,039
for a multitude of different reasons, and relatively speaking, the

994
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:39,639
serious right is on the rise.

995
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: Now.

996
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: Look, that does not preclude any number of the nasty

997
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:45,639
things you and I have mentioned from happening. That does

998
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:48,039
not mean that twenty twenty eight is when we sweep

999
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,199
into based world. But you know, when you talk to

1000
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:53,159
the old heads, the guys who've been around for a

1001
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:56,039
while about what the resistance used to be like, it

1002
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:59,599
was a much lonelier affair. And I think that there

1003
01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:04,719
is a real opportunity for much needed change coming from

1004
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,320
the political right. Not an easy road, but a road, nonetheless,

1005
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,920
which is much better than what we've had for this

1006
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,159
point generations.

1007
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:19,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, you uh, when you when you talk about the

1008
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:23,440
woke right, I mean that's to me, that's the last gasp.

1009
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:28,119
It's the it's still this is how we're going to

1010
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:31,440
hold on to it. We're going to make these people

1011
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:36,440
who are historically right wing, we're historically the people using

1012
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,079
the term woke right are historically left wing. We're historically

1013
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:47,599
right wing. And what you understand is is that you

1014
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:52,559
can say that the woke right or the people throwing

1015
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:56,159
around the term woke, right, are you know very huge

1016
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:59,400
fans of this uh, this country in the levant that

1017
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,960
has a lot out of power over the United States.

1018
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:08,239
But if you would say that, basically, you are going

1019
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,719
back to what Constantine kiss And said. And Constantine Kissing

1020
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:16,760
understands this better than everybody, and by explaining it, he

1021
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,159
let the cat out of the bag. This is a

1022
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:23,960
myth war. We are seeking to destroy myths, and the

1023
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,719
myth that we're seeking to destroy is the myth that

1024
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,639
they hold onto the dearest, and that is World War two,

1025
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:35,599
and that is Nuremberg, and that is anti fascism. And

1026
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:41,480
by seeking to but by saying, oh, they're just like

1027
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:45,960
the left because they want to destroy myths and myths

1028
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,159
are important. They're saying, our myth is the right myth.

1029
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,559
It's the only one that counts. But then when you

1030
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,800
start studying their myth, you're like, okay, so your myth

1031
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,840
led us to this. It led us to if you

1032
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,679
have a kid, you do not want to send them

1033
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:06,880
to school. If you live in Charlotte, you do not

1034
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,039
want to ride the light rail. This is what your

1035
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:13,199
myth has led us to. And we are going to

1036
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,400
destroy your myth and that's the only thing they have left.

1037
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,840
So what is the future. The future is new myths.

1038
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:26,239
But those myths are going to have to have they're

1039
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,000
going to have to work in reality, no matter how

1040
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,719
they're structured or who's structuring them.

1041
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:39,239
Speaker 2: And that's another, in my mind note of kind of

1042
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:45,000
positive progress. For a long time, people on our side

1043
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,599
of things have talked about the need for art, right,

1044
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:52,639
the need for cultural expression, and slowly there's been more

1045
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:56,800
and more of a concerted effort to accomplish that. And

1046
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,199
in my mind in the last years where we started

1047
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:02,159
to get things that were not just good for a

1048
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:05,559
political book, not just good for a novel written by

1049
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:08,719
you know, a right wing anna, but properly good stuff.

1050
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,360
In our mutual friend John Slaughter his book Crimson Tied,

1051
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,719
Carl Dahl, who you and I have really abused and

1052
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,079
recorded just hours with with no compensation, you know, his

1053
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:20,800
book on the Spanish Civil War faction with the Crusaders,

1054
01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:24,199
or most recently you know Andrew Edwards, right, crowbar All

1055
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,079
of these are to be honest attempts at making a myth.

1056
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,440
You know, sure, there's no crowbar Ism ideology. You see

1057
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,199
a different world there, you see a different vision of

1058
01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:38,440
what is possible, a different vision of what is laudable.

1059
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,679
And look, kissing is and this is the only time

1060
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:43,719
you will hear me say this, kissing is entirely right.

1061
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:48,519
Humans are mimetic, we think in mimetic ways. And it's funny.

1062
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:53,119
After that that interview came out, there was a meme

1063
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,960
going around with you know, Javier Bardem from No Country

1064
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,599
for Old Men saying the classic line, if your rule

1065
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:03,760
brought you here, what use is the rule? And all

1066
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,800
of these eternal political losers, right the James Lindsay and others,

1067
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,320
we're saying, ah, we got you. You're identifying with this

1068
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,639
guy who killed people in a movie, You idiot. One.

1069
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:17,360
If you have a problem with right wingers identifying with

1070
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,079
people who killed people in movies, have I got something

1071
01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:23,920
to tell you about the movie American Psycho. But also

1072
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,239
it completely missed the point there. The point is, and

1073
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,400
this is really that I don't care mechanism we talked

1074
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,639
about earlier, which is for people of a certain age,

1075
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,039
these things are sacred, and we know that they're sacred.

1076
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:40,519
We know that this God is real because look at

1077
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:42,960
all of the benefits he gave us every time we

1078
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,559
prayed he sent us rain my house is worth two

1079
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:48,039
million dollars. How can the values that let me hear

1080
01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:51,119
be wrong? The problem is, man, that's a zero sum game,

1081
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,960
and for all of those wins, there's been a corresponding loser.

1082
01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:57,199
And you have a group of people who are sitting

1083
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,719
there saying exactly what Javier Bardem said, If this rule,

1084
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,679
if this myth is so great, why are we here.

1085
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,639
It's the same idea you see in that iconic image

1086
01:07:07,639 --> 01:07:10,800
of you know, a young man storming the beaches at Normandy,

1087
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:12,840
you know where. It's like, this is what they had

1088
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,920
in mind, and the thought bubble over their head is

1089
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:19,119
some horrendous piece of modern degeneracy. And it's a bitter

1090
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:23,079
me right. We understand what's being expressed there that, you know,

1091
01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:26,559
our culture blew itself up, expended blood, lives and treasure,

1092
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:32,480
and for what, and for what to benefit other people's children,

1093
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:36,679
to fight more pointless wars. It's no shock that people

1094
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,199
are rejecting that. And if we look at our project,

1095
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,639
we are iconic class. We are smashing balls or the

1096
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:47,840
big ball, if you will, maybe literally, I guess, but

1097
01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:51,039
that is what we are about. And sure you know

1098
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:54,599
that's really the mode that the right has existed for

1099
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:57,880
a very long time, a culture of critique, someone might

1100
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,679
even say, constantly tearing down that narrative. And there is

1101
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:03,679
still work to be done there. I think Darryl Cooper,

1102
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:05,599
I'll mention it for the second time, is doing Yeoman's

1103
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:09,559
work there, attacking that central myth of one of the

1104
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,719
most murderous empires in history, right, the Nurnberg regime. It

1105
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,359
is socially engineered people across the planet, including you and I.

1106
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,239
But we're just starting to see the birth of that

1107
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,920
second part of what comes next first in cultural output,

1108
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:28,600
And man, I think that's really exciting because it's something

1109
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,199
we you and I both have been waiting for, like

1110
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:32,600
come on, like when are we going to get it?

1111
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,199
And I don't think we're there yet. You're starting to

1112
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:37,439
see that, like, oh wow, that was really good. It

1113
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,439
wasn't some political diatribe, it wasn't some manifesto. But the

1114
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,199
values in this the framing of that story are profoundly illiberal.

1115
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,239
I want to say illiberal. That makes it sound like

1116
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,720
it exists in opposition to liberal but unrelated to just

1117
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,560
a completely different set of values. And I think that

1118
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,640
is what needs to happen now. The disparate nature of

1119
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,560
culture that I mentioned earlier is kind of algorithmically driven.

1120
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,359
Atom is still applies. You know, there are a million

1121
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:08,560
different ways to attack this kind of godless globalist empire.

1122
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,840
But and this is again a point from Carl dol,

1123
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,680
there is a need for this sort of you know,

1124
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:20,920
big tent opposition to that, you know, the the great

1125
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,680
Satan as someone might say, And we have historical examples,

1126
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,760
the Spanish. You know, a few others have managed to

1127
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,520
do it. It can be done, and it needs to

1128
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,319
be done. And I think that it is certainly still nascent,

1129
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,800
but it is alive. And that's pretty much all I

1130
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,159
can offer as far as hope goes speed.

1131
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: Where can people find your work and work can they

1132
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,319
support you?

1133
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 2: You can find my work the Jayburden Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

1134
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:53,199
anywhere you listen to podcasts, much like another show you

1135
01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:55,159
may have heard of. You want the episodes early in

1136
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:57,199
ad free left, Throw me a couple of bucks, it's

1137
01:09:57,239 --> 01:09:58,920
what I do. I appreciate it.

1138
01:09:59,000 --> 01:09:59,159
Speaker 1: Oh.

1139
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: Also, I've been writing more on substack, writing more in general,

1140
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:05,279
so you can check me out on substack. All the

1141
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:08,039
essays are free, I just do them. For personal gratification.

1142
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:12,760
And maybe soon you'll see my writing somewhere else. I'll

1143
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,600
be sure to promote it when it happens again. Pete,

1144
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:15,279
I appreciate him.

1145
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:17,279
Speaker 1: Man, thank you, Jack. I appreciate you.