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<v Speaker 1>Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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<v Speaker 1>an idea.

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<v Speaker 2>The population of atheists this country is going through the.

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<v Speaker 1>Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I

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<v Speaker 1>tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I put my hand on a book and made

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<v Speaker 2>a wish.

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<v Speaker 1>And working together for a more rational world.

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<v Speaker 2>Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth Fusian wisdom will come to you that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>BI popular Demand. This is the audio and I have

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<v Speaker 2>LinkedIn the description box the video from my July the

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<v Speaker 2>eleventh events with No Illusions, both of us on stage

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<v Speaker 2>at Anderson Center, Cincinnati, Ohio. We had a great crowd

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<v Speaker 2>and a great time, and I'll take this chance to

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<v Speaker 2>do a shameless plug. I'm taking this relative format to

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<v Speaker 2>Fort Worth for August twenty ninth, the Unholy Trinity Reunion

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<v Speaker 2>tour with me and arn Raw Matt Delahunty. Obviously, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be wildly different because we're all doing our

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<v Speaker 2>own material. I've got fresh stuff that I'm taking in

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<v Speaker 2>Matt and arn have their own vibe and everything is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be different, but the framing is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of the same. Three hours, jam packed full

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<v Speaker 2>of good stuff, and there are still tickets for Fort

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<v Speaker 2>Worth if you want to go. Unholy Trinity dot net

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<v Speaker 2>is the website Unholy Trinity dot nets. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>The audio from the show on the eleventh of July

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<v Speaker 2>at Anderson Center in Cincinnati. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>coming out today. How many people lied about where you

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<v Speaker 2>were going? Yes, I see that hand, Yes, I see

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<v Speaker 2>that hand. I have never had the opportunity to be

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<v Speaker 2>on stage at the same time with no illusions the

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<v Speaker 2>scathing atheist. But it's an honor to be here, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's I'm so glad you guys came. You drove in

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<v Speaker 2>from a deep South part of Georgia. I did, like,

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<v Speaker 2>were there red flags everywhere?

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<v Speaker 3>Trump flags and abortion billboards as far as the eye

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<v Speaker 3>can see? And how's a I kid you not Trump

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<v Speaker 3>barber shop in case, in case you want your hair

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<v Speaker 3>to look like tunnel trumps.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's going to be a pot pourri of fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I get a chance to speak at a lot of events,

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<v Speaker 2>but for this one, I get a chance to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of produce a little bit and mix things up. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to each give, for lack of a better word,

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<v Speaker 2>of formal presentation, and then we're going to come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a segment where we're going to read some

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<v Speaker 2>of our weirdest and wackiest hate mail, and yes, you

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<v Speaker 2>should prepare yourself for that. We brought some fun stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to give away, some random prizes, some good Heathen swag

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<v Speaker 2>that you're going to be able to take with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh, you're all about to free stuff you transactionable.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the last portion of the show, we're in

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<v Speaker 2>the last half, we're going to do a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to you. We have a roving microphone and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to bounce around and just have a conversation. Not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily doesn't have to be a question, but whatever's on

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<v Speaker 2>your mind, if you want to make a comment, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be a part of a discussion with us,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to kind of pinball around and know it's

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<v Speaker 2>an honor brother beyond all. How many podcasts are you

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<v Speaker 2>on right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Regularly five?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on pretty much one and I can't keep up.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a superman. He's a superman. He's going to go

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<v Speaker 2>first on the roster today, and so I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to go ahead and introduce my friend. He is someone who,

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<v Speaker 2>like many of us who are activists, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>many of you, we all have a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>have an activist nature. We saw something, we heard something

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<v Speaker 2>that sets something off in us, and we're like, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to speak. What can I do one of my gifts?

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<v Speaker 2>How can I participate and be a part of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy did that very thing. I won't tell

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<v Speaker 2>this whole story, but he has become someone who mixes

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<v Speaker 2>smart and humor in a way that I have come

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<v Speaker 2>to really admire. And it's an honor to be on stage,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to give the stage over to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, no illusions, they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for coming out, braving the chili

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<v Speaker 3>to be here Cincinnati, because I'm so happy to be

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm so nervous as well, because it is intimidating

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<v Speaker 3>as hell to share the stage with Seth Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I mean, for one thing, he's done

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<v Speaker 3>like seven million events like this in his career. I've

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<v Speaker 3>done like seven. But it's not just that it's also

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<v Speaker 3>the voice, my God, I feel like I should.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like you should come out and do my

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<v Speaker 4>whole talk like this, and then when Seth comes out,

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<v Speaker 4>he'll feel the need to be even basier and sexier.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, what would that even sound like?

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<v Speaker 3>Can the human ear pick that up? But we can't.

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<v Speaker 3>That would risk ripping a hole in the fabricous space time.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm just gonna talk in my normal voice,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna do a talk for you that I

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<v Speaker 3>call how to die like an atheist.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm very deceptive title. I know you hear that, and

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<v Speaker 5>you're like, You're not dead?

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell you know?

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not. I'll admit it. I am not now,

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<v Speaker 3>nor have I ever been dead. I haven't even done

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<v Speaker 3>that thing that's not dying that people call dying where

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<v Speaker 3>your heart stops momentarily, but then it starts again and

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<v Speaker 3>the inner and in the interim, either the ghost that

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<v Speaker 3>drives your body flew away to heaven and met it

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<v Speaker 3>savior it's Graham and all it's lost puppies, or you

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<v Speaker 3>had drug induced dreams based on cultural expectations and then

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<v Speaker 3>woke up in the hospital that definitely gave you drugs

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<v Speaker 3>where one of those two things happened but they hadn't.

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<v Speaker 3>But none of that shit's happened to me. Well, I've

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<v Speaker 3>had drug induced streams, but none of the other shit

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<v Speaker 3>has that happened to me? So where do I get

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<v Speaker 3>off telling other people how to die? Well, it so

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<v Speaker 3>happens that at one point in my life I came

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<v Speaker 3>so very close to dying that my brain could not

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<v Speaker 3>tell the difference between what it was experiencing and actually dying,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it formulated what it had every reason to

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<v Speaker 3>believe were its final thoughts. And that's actually what I

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk to you guys about. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>talk you about those final thoughts because as atheists, we

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<v Speaker 3>hear a lot about our final thoughts, right, A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the times, a lot of predictions of the last

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<v Speaker 3>things we'll be thinking. Usually it's people predicting that we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be thinking about how right they were in

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<v Speaker 3>the argument that we're presently having with them. Right, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to think about how we should have spent more

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<v Speaker 3>of our life loving Jesus, or we should have spent

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<v Speaker 3>our lives or we would be afraid, right, because we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know where we're going after we die. And we're

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<v Speaker 3>afraid that it might be hell, the hell of their religion,

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<v Speaker 3>not the others for some reason. But most often, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>what we're told is we're going to be changing our

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<v Speaker 3>minds at that last second, that our last thought is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be something along the lines of, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 3>I had it wrong, Jesus, accept you as my Lord

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<v Speaker 3>and savior. Amen. And when you're presented with that argument,

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard to argue back because you don't know, right,

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know that. You probably know better than some

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<v Speaker 3>asshole on Twitter, but you don't know what you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be thinking about what when you die. You never

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<v Speaker 3>died before, and you're a rationalist, you demand evidence. Well

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<v Speaker 3>that's where I come in, because I've had final thoughts,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll tell you write in advance they had nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to do with the afterlife or Jesus or any of

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<v Speaker 3>that shit.

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<v Speaker 5>Spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I will tell you what I would the last

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<v Speaker 3>thoughts were, but I have to get you there slowly.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to tell you my story. So twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a heart attack. It wasn't a very good

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<v Speaker 3>heart attack, both in the sense that I didn't do

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<v Speaker 3>a very good job of having it and also in

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<v Speaker 3>the sense that it didn't do a very good job

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<v Speaker 3>of attacking my heart. My heart's fine now, thanks for asking,

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<v Speaker 3>but so and luckily for me, my heart attack came

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<v Speaker 3>with a good story. Because when you have a heart

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<v Speaker 3>attack or something like that happens, so you got to

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<v Speaker 3>tell the story. People will constantly ask you, know, what

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<v Speaker 3>was it like to have a heart attack? And I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like for a lot of people, it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>boring story. Right, somebody had to have a heart attack

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<v Speaker 3>just sitting in their living room, right, So what was

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<v Speaker 3>it like? Well, I was sitting in my living room

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<v Speaker 3>and I was watching ice road truckers and I thought, shit,

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<v Speaker 3>that ain't right. So and then you gotta spend the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of your like dressing that up, trying to make

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<v Speaker 3>it a more interesting story, because everybody's asking you.

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<v Speaker 5>To tell my heart attack.

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<v Speaker 3>Luckily for me and for you, because I'm about to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you the story if my heart attack came with

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<v Speaker 3>a good story. Started in Las Vegas, to travel two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand miles. There were vampires in it, troll Gordon Ramsay,

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<v Speaker 3>two old ladies forcibly manscaping me while doing shtick. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what we call foreshadowing. In the business right there. So

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<v Speaker 3>let's start in Vegas where the heart attack started. So

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<v Speaker 3>for years, me and my buddies, we want to do

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<v Speaker 3>a show in Las Vegas. Heathan, right, Eli Bostic and me,

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<v Speaker 3>we wanted to do a live show in Vegas because

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<v Speaker 3>that sounds cool, right, live from Vegas.

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<v Speaker 5>Sold out show in Las Vegas. That sounds awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like it made it when you do that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's hard to do, though.

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<v Speaker 3>It turns out that Vegas is a really hard time

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<v Speaker 3>to set up a live show in because it's really

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<v Speaker 3>hard to rent a theater. There's a lot of demand

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<v Speaker 3>on the theaters and they don't want to rent to

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<v Speaker 3>a place to an event that's going to do a

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<v Speaker 3>one night show.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not entirely unusual for us.

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<v Speaker 3>It might supreasure to find out that there are a

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<v Speaker 3>number of cities in America that don't have robust theater

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<v Speaker 3>rental sectors of their economy. So when we can't find

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<v Speaker 3>a theater, usually we'll use a hotel, convention space. Those

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<v Speaker 3>serve our purposes as well. Unfortunately, in Vegas, those are

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<v Speaker 3>just as much of a premium as theaters. So it

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<v Speaker 3>took a while. It took almost two years to find

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<v Speaker 3>a place that we could host us. Finally, the Flamingo

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<v Speaker 3>Casino and Hotel said they had space for us on

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<v Speaker 3>October twenty eighth, which was one of the dates that

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<v Speaker 3>we had sort of carved out as our availability, and

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<v Speaker 3>they said, you can do your show at our hotel,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can't tell people that you're at the Flamingo.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, can we give them a clue because

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<v Speaker 3>they have to get there right And the guy says, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you misunderstand. You can tell your audience that you're at

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<v Speaker 3>the Flamingo. I'm like, okay, who else what I tell

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<v Speaker 3>except the people that I talked to. He goes, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't say that you're live at the Flamingo. I says, oh, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can say that we're live, and I can

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<v Speaker 3>say that we're at the Flamingo. I just can't say

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<v Speaker 3>so we'd have to leave a pause, and he goes,

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<v Speaker 3>My co host's excel at leaving pretty big pauses. I

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<v Speaker 3>left that joking so I could tell where SATs listeners were.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a bit on our show. We pause, I'd say

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like a shit bit. It's it works. You

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<v Speaker 3>show at the Flamingo and it was a great time.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a great show there. And when we go

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<v Speaker 3>because he's got a kid, he's gotta go home. But

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<v Speaker 3>way in from Greece to do the show or to

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<v Speaker 3>see the show. He said, I want to take you

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<v Speaker 3>to fancy dinner tonight. And I said, God's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>an art to get out of here. Don't worry, that's

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<v Speaker 3>my namesake. So so so anyway, so where was I

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<v Speaker 5>Wasn't I?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were going out for okay, So he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to take you to fancy dinner. I so

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<v Speaker 3>that's very sweet of you. I'm not really a fancy

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<v Speaker 3>day though. I didn't like bring a suit in time

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<v Speaker 3>with me because I don't own one, and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>he says, no, I don't worry. I know a good place.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's casual, it's a it's a Gordon Ramsey restaurant.

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<v Speaker 3>I told you he'd be here, he says, And it's

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, oh, that's awesome, I said, I'll go,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, I said, I don't really know the menu.

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<v Speaker 5>Have fancy places, though, so you might have to tell

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<v Speaker 2>He says.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't worry. They've got a beef Wellington that you'll love.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, that's, for example. I don't know what that is,

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<v Speaker 3>he said. And it's like a it's like a fancy

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<v Speaker 5>Now you're speaking my language.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we go out for fancy hot pockets at

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<v Speaker 3>this Gordon Ramsey restaurant. But here's the thing. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you're never into Vegas you might not know this, but

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<v Speaker 3>in Vegas you can't just fucking go anywhere. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>work like that in Vegas, in Cincinnati, anywhere else in

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<v Speaker 3>the damn country. If you're in one place and you

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<v Speaker 3>want to be another place.

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<v Speaker 2>You just go there.

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<v Speaker 3>You just get in your car or friend's car, you

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<v Speaker 3>get an ub or whatever, and at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>that trip, you're in the damn place that you wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to be. That's not how Vegas works, because everything that

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<v Speaker 3>you want to do in Vegas is part of one gigantic, infinite,

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<v Speaker 3>subterranean labyrinth. The casinos and minuteturs and province bosses you

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<v Speaker 3>got to fight your way through. So we're heading over

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<v Speaker 3>to this resturance and Caesar's Palace. We're in the Flamingos.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a mile walk or something like that. And

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<v Speaker 3>along the way, I find that I'm running out of breath.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's really unusual for me. I'm a hiker. I

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<v Speaker 3>like to take long walks, so but I just actually

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<v Speaker 3>have to stop and catch my breath along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the main reason I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 3>this talk today. Hey, if that ever happens to you,

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<v Speaker 3>If normally you can breathe and now you can't, go

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<v Speaker 3>to the fucking hospital, doesn't seem like the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>thing you'd have to tell people to do. But apparently

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<v Speaker 3>somebody needed to tell me so I'm passing that news along,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't think too much of it at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>We walked on.

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<v Speaker 5>We went.

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<v Speaker 3>We had our fancy hot pockets. They were delicious, now

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<v Speaker 3>that I think about it, ultra rare beef. Probably not

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<v Speaker 3>great food to eat while you're having a heart attack,

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<v Speaker 3>but if it had been my last meal, I would.

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<v Speaker 5>Have chosen wisely.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, so we have our fan and I feel

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<v Speaker 3>fine then because I'm sitting down right. But then on

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<v Speaker 3>the way back, all of a sudden, every hundred yards

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<v Speaker 3>or so, I have to stop and I have to

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<v Speaker 3>catch my breath again. And at this point I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>something's wrong with me. So I asked my phone. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>what's wrong with me? And my Phone's like, you're having

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<v Speaker 3>a fucking heart attack, man, And I'm like, no, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not it, because come on, that doesn't make any I'm

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<v Speaker 3>forty seven years old, I'm not overweight, I like to

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<v Speaker 3>exercise fairly regularly. There's no history of heart disease in

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<v Speaker 3>my family. I didn't have high cholesterol or anything. It's

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<v Speaker 3>something like that can't be Plus, I'm the main character.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't make sense for me to have a heart attack.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point in this ya, I have such bad

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<v Speaker 3>main character syndrome. This is true.

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<v Speaker 5>The first time I ever heard that term.

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<v Speaker 3>A buddy of mine says, well, you know, I have

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<v Speaker 3>really bad main character syndrome. And the first thought in

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<v Speaker 3>my head, the first thing that occurred to me, was well,

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<v Speaker 3>if anybody here has main character syndrome, So I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't be a heart attack. So I rephrased the question.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what could this be? That isn't a heart attack,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a really stupid way to phrase the question.

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<v Speaker 3>But when you phrase it like that, the answer is

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<v Speaker 3>fairly obvious. It's a panic attack, right. The symptoms are

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<v Speaker 3>fairly similar. People very often show up at the hospital

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<v Speaker 3>thinking they're having a heart attack when they're having a

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<v Speaker 3>panic attack. It didn't occur to me that the corollary

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<v Speaker 3>of people not showing up at the hospital because they're

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<v Speaker 3>having a heart attack and thinking there I'm in a

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<v Speaker 3>panic attack must also be true. But I never had

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<v Speaker 3>a panic attack before. I'd heard a lot about him

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<v Speaker 3>that sounded about right, So I said, that's it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>my inaugural panic attack, and hey, what a city to

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<v Speaker 3>have it in, right, Las Vegas is like if a

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<v Speaker 3>panic attack was a city. So so he said, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>having a heart attack or having a panic attack rather.

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<v Speaker 3>So I go up to my room and I do

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<v Speaker 3>the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>I go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fifty to fifty chance you wake up from that shit.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did. I did wake up, obviously, and I

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<v Speaker 3>felt all right, felt all right when I was in

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<v Speaker 3>the shower, felt at right when I was packing up

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<v Speaker 3>the room, felt at right on.

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<v Speaker 5>The uber, on the way over to the airport. Get

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<v Speaker 5>to the airport.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I gotta walk again, and immediately every hundred yard

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<v Speaker 3>I'm stopping and catching my breath.

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<v Speaker 3>Chasing away a heart attack by naming three things I

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<v Speaker 3>can see in three things I can feel with three

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<v Speaker 3>things I can hear.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>So now I get to the airport and I realized, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this it can't be a panic attack. It's been fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>hours now, right, that doesn't make any sense. But I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think that I was having a heart attack at

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<v Speaker 3>that moment, because and this is I'm gonna admit how stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of you probably have the impression that I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>smart person. Because I play one on the podcast. I'm not,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna prove that to you right now. At

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<v Speaker 3>that moment, I thought something was seriously wrong to my

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<v Speaker 3>with me. But I also thought, well, it's it's not.

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<v Speaker 5>A heart attack.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought that because I did not know what

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<v Speaker 3>a heart attack was. I know, that's how so stupid, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Forty seven year old man says he didn't know what

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<v Speaker 3>a heart attack was. But surprise, surprise, I think a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of you probably don't know what a heart attack

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<v Speaker 3>is either, because I've told this to a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people and a lot of people are like, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a heart attack. See. Here's the thing. Everything I

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<v Speaker 3>knew about a heart attack I learned from TV and movies.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know you can't trust TV and movies when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to medical ship, but I thought they had

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of what a heart attack was.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's a heart attack in a movie or on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>At the beginning of the scene, the guy looked, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's always a guy. The guy looks at his arm,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, feels at it or whatever otherwise indicates that

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<v Speaker 3>there's some numbness in it or something like that. And

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<v Speaker 3>then sometime later he'll grab that arm and he'll go

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<v Speaker 3>and he'll fall over right. Usually they'll do it a

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<v Speaker 3>little better than I just did it. They're professional actress, though,

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<v Speaker 3>And so I always thought that was a heart attack.

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<v Speaker 3>This that's not a heart attack. That's cardiac arrest. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a different thing, right, A heart attack can lead to

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<v Speaker 3>cardiac arrest. But most of them don't. I'm about four

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<v Speaker 3>out of five of them don't. You can have cardiac

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<v Speaker 3>arrest without having a heart attack. So I didn't think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm having a heart attack. I thought I'm having the

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<v Speaker 3>warning signs that a heart attack is imminent. But I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to have it in Vegas. That'd be a

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<v Speaker 3>big pain in the ass. We'd already checked out of

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<v Speaker 3>our hotel room, all right, that airplane flight in a

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<v Speaker 3>couple hours. I'd have to rebook that fear fear where

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<v Speaker 3>my wife would stay, and be a whole pain in

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<v Speaker 5>So I thought I'll fly home and have my heart

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<v Speaker 5>attack there.

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<v Speaker 3>So I bumped the going to sleep thing down to

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<v Speaker 3>number two and did the new dumbest thing I'd ever done.

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<v Speaker 3>I got on an airplane while having a heart attack,

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<v Speaker 3>flew two thousand miles.

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<v Speaker 5>I get home.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not home, because you know, the airplanes don't

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<v Speaker 3>drop you off there. I got to Jacksonville, Florida, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the nearest major airport to my house. Still an

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<v Speaker 3>hour and twenty minutes or so home, So we drove

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<v Speaker 5>I let my wife drive. I'm not that stupid, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got back home, and then, of course, the

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<v Speaker 3>very first thing I did was post the episode for

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<v Speaker 3>the live show that we did in Vegas, because that

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<v Speaker 3>the patrons were waiting, you know, and you guys are

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<v Speaker 3>more important than my heart, apparently, So I posted that episode.

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<v Speaker 5>And I turned to my wife. I said, I think

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<v Speaker 5>I need to.

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<v Speaker 3>Go to the hospital. She says, you think. She had

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<v Speaker 3>been suggesting as much for a while. By now it's

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<v Speaker 3>after midnight. So we go to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 5>And here's the thing. If you're paying attention to the calendar. Here,

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<v Speaker 5>I told you the.

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<v Speaker 3>Show was on October twenty eighth, The fancy hot pockets

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<v Speaker 3>were on October twenty ninth, the flight home was on

422
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<v Speaker 3>October thirtieth.

423
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<v Speaker 5>It's now after midnight, which means it's Halloween.

424
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<v Speaker 3>And with all this shit that was going on in

425
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<v Speaker 3>my head, I didn't realize that until a fucking vampire

426
00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:08.119
<v Speaker 3>walks into my hotel or my hospital room. The orderlies

427
00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.599
<v Speaker 3>and the nurses were showing up in costume at this point,

428
00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:17.920
<v Speaker 3>right for the holiday, and the phlebotomists, right all the phlebotomists,

429
00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:20.720
<v Speaker 3>the ones that come and get your blood every fifteen minutes,

430
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<v Speaker 3>man all addressed as vampires, which I thought was really

431
00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:25.680
<v Speaker 3>really clever. I mentioned it on Facebook and a far

432
00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:30.200
<v Speaker 3>smarter than me friend dubbed them nurse for Ratu, such

433
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<v Speaker 3>a good line.

434
00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:33.839
<v Speaker 5>I passed it off as my own. Of course, got

435
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<v Speaker 5>the reputation of being clever, which is nice.

436
00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.440
<v Speaker 3>And I should address the social media aspect of this though,

437
00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.559
<v Speaker 3>because I think that ties it back into the universal

438
00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:47.160
<v Speaker 3>atheist experience. And if you have had a heart attack

439
00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.519
<v Speaker 3>or a stroke, or been in a serious accident and

440
00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:52.160
<v Speaker 3>you're the out atheist in your family or in your

441
00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:54.200
<v Speaker 3>friend group, you probably already know what I'm talking about.

442
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<v Speaker 3>There are certain responses that you've come to expect from

443
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<v Speaker 3>Christian people. And because I'm on Facebook and I several

444
00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.039
<v Speaker 3>thousand followers there and a lot of them don't like me,

445
00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:08.559
<v Speaker 3>I had an opportunity to sort of speed run what

446
00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:12.599
<v Speaker 3>it's like to be an atheist having a medical emergency.

447
00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:15.599
<v Speaker 3>So I got all these responses. I divided them into

448
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<v Speaker 3>three categories. Like I said, some of you will recognize them.

449
00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:18.839
<v Speaker 5>The first, of course, is.

450
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<v Speaker 3>The i'll pray for you assholes, right and look at

451
00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:24.680
<v Speaker 3>look if you think, if you honestly believe that you

452
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<v Speaker 3>have the power of God on your side, and you

453
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<v Speaker 3>can call upon the magic of the universe to make

454
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<v Speaker 3>me healthier or more comfortable, and you're willing to do

455
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<v Speaker 3>that for me, that's very sweet of you, right, have

456
00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.960
<v Speaker 3>at it, do your magic spell. I won't expect real

457
00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:40.119
<v Speaker 3>magic anymore than I'll expect real tea when my great

458
00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:44.519
<v Speaker 3>niece invites me to a tea party. Right. So, but fine,

459
00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:46.880
<v Speaker 3>But as we all know, that's not the only form

460
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<v Speaker 3>of I'll pray for you, right, Christians have another form

461
00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:52.799
<v Speaker 3>of I'll pray for you that they reserve because they

462
00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:55.759
<v Speaker 3>have denied themselves this sweet, sweet release of just telling

463
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<v Speaker 3>people to go fuck themselves.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Right.

465
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<v Speaker 3>So I ended up with that I'll pray for you

466
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:04.759
<v Speaker 3>quite a bit the sort of i'll pray for you,

467
00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.599
<v Speaker 3>oh no, wait. But more prominent than that, of course,

468
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<v Speaker 3>was the God's vengeance contention.

469
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<v Speaker 6>Right.

470
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<v Speaker 3>The people who said God got sick and tired of

471
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<v Speaker 3>me talking all that shit about his kid and decided

472
00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.839
<v Speaker 3>it was time to do something about it. I was

473
00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:22.920
<v Speaker 3>wondered if that was the case, which joke got him?

474
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<v Speaker 3>You know, it was the straw that broke the camel's bag.

475
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<v Speaker 3>I want to get that one framed, put it up

476
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<v Speaker 3>in my office. I was, I said to him, I said,

477
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<v Speaker 3>they said that, They're like, that's God's vengeance. I'm like,

478
00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.240
<v Speaker 3>did he miss Was he aiming for a different because

479
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:37.839
<v Speaker 3>they're saying I'm gonna be fine. Maybe he was aiming

480
00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:42.359
<v Speaker 3>for a different ventricle or something, and they're they're like, no, no,

481
00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:47.119
<v Speaker 3>if God wanted to kill you, you'd be dead. He's

482
00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:51.079
<v Speaker 3>good at that. Maybe you've heard of everyone who's ever died.

483
00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was God.

484
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, he wasn't trying to kill you. He was trying

485
00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:58.119
<v Speaker 3>to wake you up. He was trying to send you

486
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<v Speaker 3>a message, remind you that you're I'm mortal and he's

487
00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.559
<v Speaker 3>in charge. Like he picked a really weird way to

488
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.680
<v Speaker 3>send that message by having the most common medical malady to.

489
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<v Speaker 5>Happen of a person my age happened to me.

490
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<v Speaker 3>As I'm just saying, because he knows the burning bush trick, right,

491
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.559
<v Speaker 3>We know that about him. If he had wanted to

492
00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:16.640
<v Speaker 3>send me a message, he could have just spoken it

493
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<v Speaker 3>through a bush that was burning and not being consumed

494
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<v Speaker 3>by the flames.

495
00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:19.960
<v Speaker 5>I'd have gotten it.

496
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Twitter trolls wouldn't have had to chime in, we wouldn't

497
00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:26.279
<v Speaker 3>have to tie up all these limited medical resources in

498
00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:28.240
<v Speaker 3>rural America. I'm not trying to tell the guy how

499
00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:32.319
<v Speaker 3>to do his job, but you know, fucking smite better.

500
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<v Speaker 3>That was the second category. And then there's this third

501
00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:37.960
<v Speaker 3>category of people, of course, and they were a little

502
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<v Speaker 3>more prominent at the time, or I guess that's not

503
00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:43.920
<v Speaker 3>really true. Anti vaxers certainly aren't more any less prominent.

504
00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:46.799
<v Speaker 3>They're running the goddamn health department now, aren't they. But

505
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:48.839
<v Speaker 3>I think they were a little more likely to buddy

506
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.920
<v Speaker 3>in on other people's conversations in twenty twenty three. Either

507
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.400
<v Speaker 3>that or I've just gotten better at blocking them since then.

508
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.960
<v Speaker 3>So when I started talking about my heart attack, I

509
00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:59.319
<v Speaker 3>got a bunch of the anti vaxxers chiming in as well, Because,

510
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.000
<v Speaker 3>of course, like I said, you know, when you do

511
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:03.720
<v Speaker 3>my job, as that's going to attest you just live

512
00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.519
<v Speaker 3>your life on social media, right, Like if anybody who

513
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.559
<v Speaker 3>follows me on Facebook knows, you know, yes, I talk

514
00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:11.119
<v Speaker 3>about atheists, I talk about politics. I also occasionally talk

515
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.359
<v Speaker 3>about my cats. Is the other way around? I did, Yeah, yeah,

516
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:15.960
<v Speaker 3>I know they're going to they're the ones who follow me.

517
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:17.960
<v Speaker 3>They're like, no, he talks about his cats and occasionally

518
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 3>atheism and politics. So when I you know, when I

519
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<v Speaker 3>have a heart attack, I'm talking about it on Facebook immediately,

520
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:28.759
<v Speaker 3>Just like when I got vaccinated for COVID, I was

521
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:31.480
<v Speaker 3>talking about it on social media right away, right, And

522
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:34.200
<v Speaker 3>so a lot of the people who'd seen that chimed

523
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.240
<v Speaker 3>in at this point after I had a heart attack

524
00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.400
<v Speaker 3>with this sort of like you know the well, well,

525
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:43.599
<v Speaker 3>well you get vaccinated for COVID and here a mirror

526
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:45.519
<v Speaker 3>twenty three months.

527
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.119
<v Speaker 5>Later you have a hearty zone.

528
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Damn boat for letting Bill Gates put all them micro

529
00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:55.920
<v Speaker 3>chips in your RNA. We told you this would happen, motherfucker.

530
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.119
<v Speaker 3>You told me I would turn magnetic. You didn't.

531
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<v Speaker 5>You didn't say not about no heart attack.

532
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.680
<v Speaker 3>So but then there are those people too, I'm arguing

533
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.480
<v Speaker 3>with them on social media. Doctor comes and tells me

534
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:09.079
<v Speaker 3>we put down my phone. He says, you're gonna have

535
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:10.839
<v Speaker 3>another heart attack while you're having a heart attack.

536
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.640
<v Speaker 5>This is no good. So he says, he says, what

537
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:16.039
<v Speaker 5>I got good news and I got bad news.

538
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 3>He says. The bad news is you had a heart

539
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:19.960
<v Speaker 3>attack and you it wasn't just a block as it

540
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.160
<v Speaker 3>was in your heart. The ventul is still it's got

541
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:24.359
<v Speaker 3>an id something percent occlusion. We have to go in

542
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.160
<v Speaker 3>there and put in a set. You're gonna need surgery,

543
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:29.160
<v Speaker 3>he said. The good news is it's minimally invasive surgery.

544
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 3>We don't have to open your chest up. You're not

545
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.279
<v Speaker 3>gonna get a cool zipper like Matt Dilla Hunty got.

546
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:36.200
<v Speaker 3>He said, we can do a microsurgery where we either

547
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.480
<v Speaker 3>go in through your wrist or in through your thigh.

548
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:39.319
<v Speaker 5>Right.

549
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 3>And so the way they do it is they take

550
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Riquel Welch and they put it in a little spaceship.

551
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:45.200
<v Speaker 5>He shows you're down in.

552
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:45.720
<v Speaker 2>A real time.

553
00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm so nervous. Only just I hope the audience is

554
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.119
<v Speaker 3>old enough to get that joke. I hope I'm not

555
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.279
<v Speaker 3>just telling that one to Ann in April. So no,

556
00:25:57.319 --> 00:25:59.319
<v Speaker 3>but they said, but they send a little probe in

557
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:01.839
<v Speaker 3>and they prefer to going through the wrist because that's

558
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:03.960
<v Speaker 3>a little less in basive, it's easier to recover, from

559
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.480
<v Speaker 3>my belief, But it's not as quite as big of

560
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:08.680
<v Speaker 3>a vein that they go in through, right, not as

561
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.640
<v Speaker 3>much room for rickel the corner. So they want to

562
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:13.880
<v Speaker 3>go in through the risk, but they have to reserve

563
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 3>the right to go in through the femeral artery, which means.

564
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 5>One way or the other, you got to get shaved.

565
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:20.119
<v Speaker 3>So the two women come out and whose job it

566
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.200
<v Speaker 3>is to do that? And apparently along the way they've

567
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.519
<v Speaker 3>learned that the inherently awkward job of shaving a stranger's

568
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 3>pubes is made less awkward if you get them laughing first, right,

569
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 3>So I get wheeled into surgery by Laurel and Hardy. Yeah,

570
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 3>once you laughed at the Fantastic Boys joke, I know

571
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:39.119
<v Speaker 3>I was safe with.

572
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:40.279
<v Speaker 5>The Laurel and Hardy reference.

573
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 3>So, and of course my job, I should point out,

574
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:46.319
<v Speaker 3>my actual job is to yes and two comedians doing shtick. Right,

575
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.480
<v Speaker 3>So we podcast our way into surgery. We're cragging each

576
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:52.319
<v Speaker 3>other up, having a great time. They shaving and take

577
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:53.839
<v Speaker 3>me in to the thing. They throw me on the

578
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:55.359
<v Speaker 3>table button they can throw a towel over my dick

579
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 3>and say.

580
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<v Speaker 5>Go, and of course to go.

581
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<v Speaker 3>The first thing is the anesthesia, right, So they anesthetize me.

582
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.240
<v Speaker 3>And it's not the anesthesia that I've had in the past,

583
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.160
<v Speaker 3>where like you blink your eyes and they have to

584
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 3>suddenly try to convince you that two hours of your

585
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.119
<v Speaker 3>life is passed. Right, It's not that kind of anesthesia.

586
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.039
<v Speaker 3>It's not something notch unconscious or sorry. It doesn't you

587
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 3>fade in and out of consciousness. But through most of

588
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.200
<v Speaker 3>my heart surgery, I was awake enough to know what

589
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 3>was happening. And it was during that surgery that I

590
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.680
<v Speaker 3>had my not quite dying experience, sorry, near death experience

591
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:28.559
<v Speaker 3>was taken. So I'm in surgery and then go in

592
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:32.640
<v Speaker 3>through the wrist, and my wrist starts to bleed uncontrollably,

593
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 3>and this is like not uncommon. This that's why they

594
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 3>had to shave in the first place, right, So they

595
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 3>can go in through the female artery at this point,

596
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.400
<v Speaker 3>so it's not like an emergency, but it's the kind

597
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:42.880
<v Speaker 3>of thing that they have to react to right now,

598
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 3>because bleeding uncontrollably from the wrist is a bad thing, right,

599
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.279
<v Speaker 3>So in order to like sort of alert the rest

600
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 3>of the surgical suite as to what was going on.

601
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 3>The surgeon said, he's hemorrhaging, and he said it twice

602
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.519
<v Speaker 3>with increasing urgency. Right, So he said it like he goes,

603
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 3>he's hemorrhaging. He's hemorrhaging. Y'all has some scary shit to

604
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.279
<v Speaker 3>hear when you are in heart surgery.

605
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 5>Right, that's right up there with what's this bit here due?

606
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.599
<v Speaker 3>And at the moment, right, hemorrhaging just means bleeding, right,

607
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:20.880
<v Speaker 3>But at the moment I couldn't really pull a definition

608
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.119
<v Speaker 3>on it. He was just saying one of those things

609
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 3>that doctors say in medical dramas right before the patient dies.

610
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Right that way, he's hemorrhaging. He's hemorrhaging comes right before clear.

611
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:35.279
<v Speaker 3>And like I said, the anesthesia had me fading in

612
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.519
<v Speaker 3>and out. Well, it shows that moment as an out moment.

613
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.079
<v Speaker 3>So as he's saying he's hemorrhaging, he's hemorrhaging, my peripheral

614
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 3>vision is blacking out and it's all closing into a

615
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.559
<v Speaker 3>small tunnel and I cannot chase it away, And so

616
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 3>I concluded that I was dying, that this is how

617
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.240
<v Speaker 3>I was going to check out of the world, and

618
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 3>my brain said, well, shit, I better formulate some final

619
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 3>thoughts or there's gonna be a shitty talk. So my

620
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:07.240
<v Speaker 3>brain and I hope you guys aren't holding out for

621
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:08.640
<v Speaker 3>something profound here, because this is it.

622
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.559
<v Speaker 5>This is all that I thought as I lay.

623
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 3>There dyeing, I thought, you gotta admit I did pretty

624
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 3>good though. That was it. That was it. There was

625
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 3>nothing about fear, there was nothing about an afterlife. There

626
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 3>was nothing about religion, there was nothing about regret, there

627
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 3>was nothing about sadness. Just sort of a B minus.

628
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 3>I'd give it a B minus. And then I woke up,

629
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.759
<v Speaker 3>of course, and I did so with this newfound liberty

630
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<v Speaker 3>that I've carried ever since. You know, people will talk

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<v Speaker 3>about living on borrow time. I don't feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>living on borrowed time. I've lived through one and a

633
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<v Speaker 3>half Trump administrations. The universe at least owes me those

634
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<v Speaker 3>six years back, right, So but I do live with

635
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<v Speaker 3>this newfound liberty because this all my life. Ever since

636
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<v Speaker 3>I was old enough to understand mortality, I've thought about

637
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<v Speaker 3>that final moment. What would it be like to die,

638
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<v Speaker 3>What would I be thinking about? What would I be afraid?

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<v Speaker 3>Of what would I be sad about? What would I

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<v Speaker 3>be regretting for? Certainly I would be sad, Certainly I

641
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<v Speaker 3>would be filled with regret. Certainly I'd be filled with fear,

642
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<v Speaker 3>fear of sadness, and regret of the substance of death.

643
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<v Speaker 3>That's the shit death is made of.

644
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<v Speaker 5>Isn't it.

645
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<v Speaker 3>But what if it's not? What if that's just another

646
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<v Speaker 3>lie that religion told us. I mean, if you think

647
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<v Speaker 3>about it, it's a good life. I mean we're talking.

648
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<v Speaker 3>Religion is selling the cure for death. They have a

649
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<v Speaker 3>vested interest in us being as afraid of it as possible.

650
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<v Speaker 3>But sure like when other people around us die, we

651
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<v Speaker 3>feel fear of a world without them, We feel sadness

652
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<v Speaker 3>of the person we lost, We feel regret of everything

653
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<v Speaker 3>that we could have done. But when we die, what's

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<v Speaker 3>to fear? And that's how you die like an atheist.

655
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<v Speaker 3>How you die like an atheist. You die with the

656
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<v Speaker 3>knowledge that you were going to die, with the knowledge

657
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<v Speaker 3>every day of your life that you weren't going to

658
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<v Speaker 3>get another chance of it in your second life or

659
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 3>your reincarnation, that you weren't going to get eternity to

660
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<v Speaker 3>make everything right, that this was your one shot. That's

661
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<v Speaker 3>how you die? How do you die? Like an ATHEI

662
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<v Speaker 3>should die with your eyes open. I mean, don't get

663
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<v Speaker 3>me wrong, I'm not looking forward to it. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to die. I love being alive. I don't want

665
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<v Speaker 3>to be alive as long as I possibly can. But

666
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<v Speaker 3>loving life and fearing death are not the same thing.

667
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<v Speaker 3>At least they don't have to be. Thanks, that's my time,

668
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<v Speaker 3>stay here, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Short break. When I come back, you will hear my

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<v Speaker 2>thirty minute presentation from the big Cincinnati event.

671
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<v Speaker 3>Hang on, so now I get to introduce my friend.

672
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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you this guy is well, he's one

673
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<v Speaker 3>of those guys that you know doesn't need any introduction,

674
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<v Speaker 3>like literally doesn't need any introduction. But I have to

675
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<v Speaker 3>introduce him anyway. So let me just say. He is

676
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<v Speaker 3>an author, he is an activist, and he is the

677
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<v Speaker 3>godfather of atheist podcasting Ladies, gentlemen, and other Seth Andrews.

678
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<v Speaker 2>I have titled my presentation today good people giving bad

679
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>advice or a bad perspective. My alternative title was all

680
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<v Speaker 2>the times our parents were completely full of shit. But

681
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:54.079
<v Speaker 2>this presentation is about more than just our parents. The

682
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<v Speaker 2>internet is I mean, everybody right online you see all

683
00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.759
<v Speaker 2>kinds of platitudes, and I'm going to get back to

684
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>some of those motivators. You guys see those They fly

685
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 2>onto your feed, usually by people whose lives are the

686
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<v Speaker 2>most screwed up. They're the ones who are posting the inspirationals.

687
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<v Speaker 2>But everybody, everybody, friends, relatives, co workers, total strangers are

688
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<v Speaker 2>giving us a perspective that may or may not be

689
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<v Speaker 2>really good. And I want to explore the life hacks

690
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<v Speaker 2>that are suggested by hacks, starting with this popular saying,

691
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<v Speaker 2>never go to bed angry. Why not? Why not? One

692
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.440
<v Speaker 2>riff on this one has been circulating online. Don't go

693
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<v Speaker 2>to bed angry, stay up late, and plot revenge. But

694
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<v Speaker 2>it's almost always framed as a kind of relationship advice,

695
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<v Speaker 2>and on a certain level, I get it, if possible,

696
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<v Speaker 2>it is better to resolve conflict rather than let it simmer.

697
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<v Speaker 2>Fix it so you're not stewing all night. We know

698
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<v Speaker 2>what it's like to lie in bed, be in the

699
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 2>same space with somebody else when an argument's going on

700
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<v Speaker 2>and we want to get that over with. But don't

701
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<v Speaker 2>go to bed angry also implies that resolution is always

702
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<v Speaker 2>possible in a day if ever, and it puts pressure

703
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<v Speaker 2>on people to rush through a problem that might take

704
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<v Speaker 2>a lot longer to fix, or it might not even

705
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<v Speaker 2>be fixable. Anger it can reflect understandable hurt. It can

706
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<v Speaker 2>give us perspective. It can motivate us to pursue something better.

707
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<v Speaker 2>In many cases, the right thing is to go to

708
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<v Speaker 2>bed angry. By the way, have you ever met a

709
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<v Speaker 2>couple that said this with a straight face? They said, ah,

710
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<v Speaker 2>we've never had an argument, never had an argument. If

711
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.960
<v Speaker 2>someone says this to me, I don't trust those people.

712
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 2>They're either lying through their tear or they're aliens. Right,

713
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<v Speaker 2>in my conservative upbringing, it was pretty much a foregone

714
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<v Speaker 2>conclusion that I was going to get married, right, get married,

715
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:18.000
<v Speaker 2>have kids, build a life's a riff on the book

716
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 2>of Genesis, be fruitful and multiply. Wasn't said out loud

717
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<v Speaker 2>quite in that way, But I mean, I've got five

718
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>siblings and they all had kids. My parents watched me

719
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<v Speaker 2>not have kids, and they're like, oh, come on, it's

720
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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. That time will come. I was married at

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two. Two years later they still smiled at me.

722
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<v Speaker 2>Oh it'll happens. It's gonna happen. One day, three years,

723
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 2>five years, seven years, people started to raise an eyebrow.

724
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<v Speaker 2>Everybody around almost everybody around me was married with children,

725
00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 2>and the narrative was that children make family or complete

726
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>a family. Normal people want kids, and I get the

727
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 2>joys of communicating the fulfillment that comes with being a

728
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.039
<v Speaker 2>mother or a father. I mean, I get that, and

729
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of folks, parenthood completes them. But for

730
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 2>those of us who never wanted that for ourselves, it

731
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<v Speaker 2>was just bad advice. And I think what bothers me

732
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<v Speaker 2>the most is this attitude of expectation, even judgment when

733
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<v Speaker 2>we make a very personal decision whether to or not

734
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<v Speaker 2>to have children. Right, and we have all seen people

735
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<v Speaker 2>give themselves permission to say some pretty alarming things. What

736
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:52.519
<v Speaker 2>you don't like kids, you're just being selfish. Maybe who

737
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<v Speaker 2>will take care of you when you get old? That's

738
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<v Speaker 2>a fun one. Well, good advice would be what makes

739
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 2>you happy? Does it include children? Wonderful? Does it not wonderful? Right? Whatever?

740
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<v Speaker 2>Whatever is you do that? By the way, have you

741
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.639
<v Speaker 2>seen this meme and says let's have kids, so instead

742
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:12.719
<v Speaker 2>of doing fun stuff on the weekend, we can go

743
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to a children's birthday party where everybody cough more wisdom

744
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>from the wisdom givers. Find someone you can't live without.

745
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>The alternate version is find somebody who can't live without you,

746
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And this, of course makes us think of her. You

747
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.400
<v Speaker 2>guys seen this the overly Attached girlfriend mim. It's been

748
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>flying around since twenty twelve. The backstory on this real

749
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>fast is there was a woman named Lena Morris of Denton, Texas,

750
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and she was entering a contest with a parody video,

751
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>and so she did this total thing. She was acting

752
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.440
<v Speaker 2>being funny, and to her total shock, a screenshot from

753
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<v Speaker 2>the video of this creepy there took off and it

754
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.760
<v Speaker 2>went viral and she became famous for a reason she

755
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>never expected. But if somebody says I can't live without you,

756
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.199
<v Speaker 2>we think of the Badfinger song. You guys know the

757
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 2>tune I can't live if living is without you. What's

758
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.679
<v Speaker 2>the underlying message? If you break up with me, I'm

759
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 2>gonna off myself. Why would you want somebody who can't

760
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<v Speaker 2>live without you. There's a comedian. His name is Chris Porter.

761
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<v Speaker 2>He came out with a special a few years ago

762
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<v Speaker 2>called Ugly and Angry, and he said he was told

763
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<v Speaker 2>to go out and find somebody who couldn't live without him,

764
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<v Speaker 2>And he instantly regretted it because he found that it

765
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<v Speaker 2>was like having a puppy that can text you like

766
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I want Natalie to be with me. I wanted to

767
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<v Speaker 2>be my wife, But I don't want her to do

768
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<v Speaker 2>it because she can't live without me. I want her

769
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<v Speaker 2>to do it because she could pretty much have anybody

770
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<v Speaker 2>she wants, and she picked me. Right. If I got

771
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<v Speaker 2>hit by a bus tomorrow, I'd want her to go

772
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<v Speaker 2>on and live her life. Isn't that better? Healthier? How

773
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.480
<v Speaker 2>about this one? Stay together for the sake of the kids.

774
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.840
<v Speaker 2>But how many people called it quits because not staying

775
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 2>together actually give their children a better place with better possibilities.

776
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>How does locking yourself inside a failed relationship benefit kids?

777
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<v Speaker 2>What does it teach kids respect your elders? Now, on

778
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<v Speaker 2>the surface, I get this in some contexts. I mean,

779
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<v Speaker 2>unless something inappropriate is happening. Children under the guardianship of

780
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 2>parents and teachers, etc. Have to be mindful to respect

781
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 2>adult authority. But once you have grown into your own identity,

782
00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 2>relationship decisions, does being older automatic earn respect. Everybody in

783
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 2>this room can think of somebody who's older. They may

784
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<v Speaker 2>be a meddler, an idiot, or an asshole, but they're older.

785
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<v Speaker 2>Here's a fun one. Never have sex before marriage. Save yourself,

786
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<v Speaker 2>keep yourself pure. This is often linked to the Bible's

787
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<v Speaker 2>advice on chastity. Marriage should be honored by all in

788
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<v Speaker 2>the marriage bed kept pure, and in my Christian upbringing,

789
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<v Speaker 2>it was set over and overweight until you are husband

790
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<v Speaker 2>and wife before you have sex. That's terrible advice. Have

791
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<v Speaker 2>you seen this one? It's not premarital sex if you

792
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<v Speaker 2>have no intention of getting married. This idea was almost

793
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<v Speaker 2>unthinkable in my home right. The whole point of dating

794
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 2>was prep for marriage. Close contact was not just physically dangerous,

795
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.719
<v Speaker 2>it was spiritually dangerous. Here's a gem I saw a

796
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.119
<v Speaker 2>while back. I still can't tell if it's a joke

797
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 2>or they played it real, leaving room for the Holy spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>When you dance, my bag to school wouldn't have a

799
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<v Speaker 2>prom because of dancing. They wouldn't not allow a prom.

800
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<v Speaker 2>They called dancing the vertical expression of a horizontal desire.

801
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<v Speaker 2>Massive amounts of energy spent trying to keep sexually activated,

802
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.800
<v Speaker 2>hormonal young people away from each other. How did that

803
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<v Speaker 2>work out? It did not, because teenagers are monumentally creative,

804
00:41:53.880 --> 00:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>and I know you fall into that category. And the

805
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<v Speaker 2>no sex before marriage thing is part of purity culture.

806
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<v Speaker 2>Keep yourself pure in the eyes of God and man.

807
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<v Speaker 2>Don't defile the temple. Don't be an adulterer in your heart.

808
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<v Speaker 2>Here's a toxic little Bible verse out of First Corinthians.

809
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<v Speaker 2>But if they cannot exercise self control, they should marry,

810
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<v Speaker 2>for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't think you can control yourself, sign that

812
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<v Speaker 2>marriage contract asap. This verse is responsible for so much harm.

813
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<v Speaker 2>How much do you know about the world or even

814
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<v Speaker 2>yourself when you're seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty, how even twenty five?

815
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<v Speaker 2>How do you bond yourself to somebody else when you're

816
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:51.599
<v Speaker 2>still getting to know yourself? Was marriage even something we wanted?

817
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Did our religion require us to get a parental blessing?

818
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<v Speaker 2>I remember asking my first marriage. I remember having to

819
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.119
<v Speaker 2>ask permission. We were both adults, but I had to

820
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>go ask permission. Nah, sign that marriage contract. And then

821
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<v Speaker 2>comes the really important question, how do you even know

822
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<v Speaker 2>you are emotionally physically sexually compatible if it's a honeymoon

823
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:22.039
<v Speaker 2>surprise you're already locked into a legal contract. That's bad advice. Plus,

824
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<v Speaker 2>study after study has shown that abstinence programs don't even

825
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 2>freaking work. You cannot tell people cross your legs until

826
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<v Speaker 2>they make a lifelong commitment and expect that to work.

827
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<v Speaker 2>An article in the Journal of Adolescent Health revealed that

828
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<v Speaker 2>abstinence programs can be a huge boundary violation. They might

829
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<v Speaker 2>stigmatize a healthy part of being human. They can perpetuate

830
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<v Speaker 2>harmful gender stereotypes, and they can make people less safe

831
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<v Speaker 2>and less happy. Better advice is get educated, understand what

832
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<v Speaker 2>sex is, is what it does, protect yourself and your partner,

833
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:08.920
<v Speaker 2>discuss boundaries, discuss desires, enjoy being a sexual creature, and

834
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<v Speaker 2>tell the meddlers and the moralists they can fuck off. Besides,

835
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<v Speaker 2>we know that many of those moralists, the teachers and

836
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.280
<v Speaker 2>the pastors and the parents and whatnot, we know they

837
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:26.239
<v Speaker 2>have been banging things that are definitely not a Bible. Right,

838
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.000
<v Speaker 2>you guys seen this one? Grandma says, all people think

839
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:39.440
<v Speaker 2>about sex these days, sixteen kids. Maybe Grandma was married,

840
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she was married, but it's still funny. Okay, how's

841
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.760
<v Speaker 2>this one for reductive? There are one hundred variations on

842
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 2>this quote attributed to the Buddha, never tell a lie.

843
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Anyone who can tell you the slightest of lies is

844
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>also capable of any evil. The most famous version of this,

845
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>of course, comes out of the Old Testament, the ninth commandments,

846
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 2>do not bear false witness. Now, my problem with this

847
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.760
<v Speaker 2>advice or command is not that we shouldn't be honest

848
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.119
<v Speaker 2>and honorable. My problem is is that it's reductive and

849
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.519
<v Speaker 2>gives zero context. And here's the scenario. I like, there's

850
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 2>a woman in your neighborhood. She shows up at your door.

851
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Her husband is a domestic abuser, comes home drunk and violent.

852
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 2>She's trying to get away. Please can you help? You

853
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 2>open your door? You let her inside, you lock the door.

854
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Five minutes later, the raging husband shows up and says,

855
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 2>is my wife in your house? In that scenario, in

856
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:42.159
<v Speaker 2>that context, to make him go away, to protect the abused,

857
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.360
<v Speaker 2>to make everyone safer. The moral act is to lie

858
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 2>your ass off. If he goes away, you bought time

859
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:56.119
<v Speaker 2>and you've reduced the threat in this scenario. Exodus chapter

860
00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty is giving bad advice. Truth telling is necessary, but

861
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>isn't it also situational? I don't know always whether it's

862
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 2>you should tell a fib or a white lie. But

863
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we're helping someone feel less wounded and

864
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 2>a bit more validated, perhaps am I misguiding others? Okay,

865
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 2>it's messy. Psychologists have written a lot about the FIBs

866
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 2>that we tell to navigate our lives, right, because we

867
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.239
<v Speaker 2>don't want to hurt feelings, you know. But I just

868
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's a moral atrocity to say, oh, the

869
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>cold sore on your lip, I don't even notice it,

870
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.880
<v Speaker 2>don't worry about that. And yes, I think we would

871
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>all lie to the Naziss if they banged on our

872
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:48.800
<v Speaker 2>doors looking for the Jews. I hate this one. Well,

873
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.239
<v Speaker 2>we've all heard it. I'm not being mean, I'm just

874
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 2>brutally honest. The problem is a lot of people seem

875
00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot more interested in the brutal than the honest.

876
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Not just being sincere and compassionately direct, but I mean

877
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 2>saying some really nasty stuff. I am thinking of somebody

878
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 2>right now, and she, in much of her life, is

879
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:14.639
<v Speaker 2>a stellar human being, but she will say the cruelest

880
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff to someone and act like she's doing them a favor.

881
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw this one and said Brutal honesty is sweeter

882
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 2>than sugar coated lies. And this sounds noble right all

883
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.079
<v Speaker 2>It may sound like I'm being hurtful, but I'm really

884
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.480
<v Speaker 2>helping you. Yet we all know there's a way to

885
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:40.360
<v Speaker 2>be helpful without being a total dick. Psychology Today did

886
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:46.679
<v Speaker 2>an article a few years ago about brutal honesty, and

887
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:50.159
<v Speaker 2>it says, long after the brutally honest have shared their truth,

888
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the recipient continues to feel the pain. Brutally honest people

889
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 2>may be unaware of the harm done by their words,

890
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 2>or they may be giving themselves an easy out. Practicing

891
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:05.519
<v Speaker 2>truth with compassion is a great way to speak of

892
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.119
<v Speaker 2>painful truth to another while respecting their feelings. I kind

893
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.079
<v Speaker 2>of like this. I saw someone using this phrase. How

894
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:19.039
<v Speaker 2>about compassionate candor with people we care about? Be direct,

895
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 2>be truthful, but never without compassion, never without empathy, never

896
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 2>without humanity. We can be honest, we can be direct,

897
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.519
<v Speaker 2>but we can also be good. Here's another take. People

898
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.400
<v Speaker 2>hate me because I say blunt truths about them. Well,

899
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 2>all truth is good to know, but not all truth

900
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.280
<v Speaker 2>is good to say, right, which relates to the next

901
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 2>inspirational motivators. Sticks and stones may break my bones. But

902
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 2>words will never hurt me. Shut up. It's the dumbest saying.

903
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Whoever came up with this. Words have incredible power. They

904
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:01.679
<v Speaker 2>were It's like who we are, what we think, how

905
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.760
<v Speaker 2>we feel. They show love, they show hate, they can elevate,

906
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>they can devastate, And I think there's a noble intent

907
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:12.360
<v Speaker 2>no one else can define. You consider the source. Leave

908
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.239
<v Speaker 2>those people in the rear view mirror. They're just vowels

909
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and consonants, not guns and knives. Right, don't let them

910
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:22.480
<v Speaker 2>hurt you. I get that, But all of us have

911
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.559
<v Speaker 2>been wounded in our lives with the worst of words.

912
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 2>And I know you're thinking of someone or an instance

913
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:31.440
<v Speaker 2>right now. You're stupid, You're fat, You're ugly, You're worthless,

914
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 2>You're an embarrassment. I don't love you. You'll never amount

915
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 2>to anything. You're a loser, You're a failure. What about

916
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 2>the racial and sexual slurs that have been thrown at

917
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 2>marginalized groups? Those dehumanizing terms are weapons with great power.

918
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Here's another piece of wisdom that I hate. What doesn't

919
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 2>kill you makes you stronger, or it fucks you up

920
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.679
<v Speaker 2>for their the rest of your life. We can talk

921
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:06.679
<v Speaker 2>about what it means what stronger means. There are lessons

922
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:12.199
<v Speaker 2>about developing fortitude. You know, through adversity we become more

923
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 2>adapted to navigate the storms. Sometimes the things that don't

924
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.079
<v Speaker 2>kill us don't make us stronger. Sometimes they break us

925
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:25.679
<v Speaker 2>into tiny pieces. The abuse victim dealing with trauma she survived,

926
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:29.480
<v Speaker 2>he survived, but they are dealing with it for decades.

927
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Are they stronger? Automatically? The patient in a coma wasn't killed,

928
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 2>still breathing. Are they stronger? Maybe you've seen this T

929
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 2>shirt what doesn't kill you mutates and tries again? Or

930
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 2>if they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

931
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:52.400
<v Speaker 2>At this point, my dear, I should be able to

932
00:50:52.440 --> 00:51:02.360
<v Speaker 2>bench press of viewing more cookie wisdom. Failure is not

933
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:06.679
<v Speaker 2>an option. I like the sentiment don't give up. If

934
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.639
<v Speaker 2>you fall, press on, get up, get back on the horse.

935
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 2>How many success stories have happened because the dreamer wouldn't

936
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>give up. There's a call to tenacity that I like,

937
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and I never ever want to kill the dream. But

938
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 2>where's the context? Why did we fail? Was our goal

939
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 2>unrealistic in the first place? Had we not put in

940
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the work? Were we blocked by someone or something that

941
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.239
<v Speaker 2>was totally out of our control. Was I pursuing something

942
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.840
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't even in line with my own abilities? It

943
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:40.760
<v Speaker 2>was a bad fit. What about the time when failure

944
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:47.480
<v Speaker 2>was a good thing? Sometimes failure is just feedback through it.

945
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:51.239
<v Speaker 2>We learn, we grow, we evolve, We figure out when

946
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.320
<v Speaker 2>to press forward, to stop, reverse, take a left, take

947
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.800
<v Speaker 2>a right. We discover things about ourselves. Sometimes failure is

948
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 2>a healthy option, because the alternative is to crash and burn.

949
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Life is not a meme. Life is life. Believing in

950
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.320
<v Speaker 2>ourselves doesn't mean we might not have a wrong belief

951
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:19.400
<v Speaker 2>about ourselves. Failure might correctly course correct us. Anybody see

952
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.679
<v Speaker 2>this demotivator, every dead body on Mount Edverest who's once

953
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 2>a highly motivated person? So maybe calm down. This one

954
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.679
<v Speaker 2>drives me crazy. Everything happens for a reason. Now, you

955
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 2>and I understand cause and effect. We know that things

956
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:42.159
<v Speaker 2>have causes, But reason implies an agenda. Right, there's a

957
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:46.440
<v Speaker 2>reason maker, there's cosmic equilibrium. The universe will align itself.

958
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Everything's going to work out the way that it should,

959
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.719
<v Speaker 2>all right. Explain that to people dying of cancer, people

960
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:59.599
<v Speaker 2>who lose their houses in a tornado, get shot inside

961
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 2>a scar. Those things have causes, But what would a

962
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:08.599
<v Speaker 2>reason be for something so unreasonable? And of course you

963
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 2>and I know the idea of agency can give comfort

964
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:16.679
<v Speaker 2>in troubling times. In a chaotic world. We self medicate

965
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.079
<v Speaker 2>with this belief that everything in the universe will eventually

966
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 2>sort itself out. Everything happens for a reason. But is

967
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 2>it true? I saw this one. I think I may

968
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.920
<v Speaker 2>have posted it a few days ago. Everything happens for

969
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 2>a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make

970
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:42.199
<v Speaker 2>bad choices. I enjoyed this one. Your life can't fall

971
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:49.079
<v Speaker 2>apart if you never had it together. Happiness is temporary,

972
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:56.599
<v Speaker 2>death is forever. Have a nice weekend tradition. Just because

973
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.079
<v Speaker 2>you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not

974
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:06.199
<v Speaker 2>incredibly stupid. If you put an inspirational quote under your selfie,

975
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:13.800
<v Speaker 2>no one can see your narcissism, Signed Gandhi. Kindness is

976
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:19.880
<v Speaker 2>my mission, but fuck off is my wingman. For those

977
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>who do come to us asking for counsel but not

978
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 2>really listening, we have a term for that. We call

979
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 2>them the askhole. The person who constantly asks for advice

980
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and always does the opposite of what you tell them.

981
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Success if you put your mind to it. You can

982
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:44.320
<v Speaker 2>accomplish anything. If you have rich parents, become the reason

983
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:55.079
<v Speaker 2>they install cameras. Fuck off, then keep fucking off, fuck

984
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:56.800
<v Speaker 2>off until you come up to a gate with a

985
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.000
<v Speaker 2>sign saying you can't fuck off past here. Climb over

986
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the gate, Dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off

987
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>forever you are enough. We don't need any more of you. Sorry.

988
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And of course, for any treki in the room, you'll

989
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:26.159
<v Speaker 2>get this one good advice. Please do not bang for machines.

990
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.000
<v Speaker 2>This one is especially prescient. Never get involved in a

991
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:42.159
<v Speaker 2>land war in Asia. This is actually true. Ninety of

992
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:48.480
<v Speaker 2>being married is just shouting what from other rooms. More

993
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 2>family wisdom here. This was posted a few days ago.

994
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Blood is thicker than water, but cheese dip is thicker

995
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:59.119
<v Speaker 2>than blood, so technically caso is more important than family.

996
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.239
<v Speaker 2>If your cup is only half full, you probably need

997
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:17.000
<v Speaker 2>a different braw. Some cause happiness wherever they go, others

998
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 2>whenever they go. We found the I in tea m

999
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:32.559
<v Speaker 2>It is hidden in the a hole. Drinking a large

1000
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:35.519
<v Speaker 2>amount of water every day helps you avoid other people's

1001
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:43.239
<v Speaker 2>drama because you're too busy. P stay hydrated. Nothing can

1002
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.239
<v Speaker 2>stop you because you're a magic skeleton packed with meat

1003
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and animated with electricity and imagination. You have a cave

1004
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 2>in You're face, full of sharp bones, and five tentacles

1005
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 2>at the end of each arm. You can do anything.

1006
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Magic skeleton. Ultimately, I think we all want to receive wisdom.

1007
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:07.480
<v Speaker 2>We all want to be receptive to advice, we all

1008
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:11.559
<v Speaker 2>want to be inspired. But bullshit is bullshit, and we

1009
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:14.440
<v Speaker 2>have to be ready for that, even if we can't

1010
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:19.119
<v Speaker 2>smell the bullshit right away. So let's stay skeptical. Let's

1011
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.519
<v Speaker 2>try and then let's fail and try again. Let's achieve.

1012
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Let's go forward and then backward, then sideways and learn

1013
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and grow and build some bridges and burn some other bridges.

1014
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Let's draw the lines and the circles and the exes

1015
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:35.159
<v Speaker 2>and the boundaries, and let's remember there is a difference,

1016
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:41.239
<v Speaker 2>a big difference between psychology and pop psychology. Life is

1017
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 2>not lived in memes, And if someone says it is,

1018
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you can give them some meme wisdom of your own,

1019
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:50.079
<v Speaker 2>and you can say, you know, A good place to

1020
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.840
<v Speaker 2>put inspirational quotes is up your ass. Thank you very

1021
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>much for.

1022
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Letting me talk to you.

1023
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Who you go?

1024
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 3>All right?

1025
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Before we take a fifteen minute break, I'm going to

1026
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:12.320
<v Speaker 2>bring Loa back on stage, and I want us to

1027
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.920
<v Speaker 2>share just a little piece of our lives with you

1028
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:18.239
<v Speaker 2>if I may, And I'm going to alternate. No, I'm

1029
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 2>going to have you read your own hate mail, which

1030
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.559
<v Speaker 2>is tad with your name, and I will read mine.

1031
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Now you have received crazy stuff in your inbox. I'm

1032
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:31.880
<v Speaker 2>sure your social media feeds. This is not exclusive to activists,

1033
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 2>but I will say we get a higher volume of it,

1034
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:39.280
<v Speaker 2>and the crazy level may be a little bit more amplified. So,

1035
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.960
<v Speaker 2>ladies and gentlemen, for your approval, we would like to

1036
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 2>share with you weird comments and hate mail, and I

1037
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:51.719
<v Speaker 2>will start with this one. Robert said, you like other

1038
00:58:51.840 --> 00:59:04.079
<v Speaker 2>athirst are damn Noah, Yeah, this one's great one.

1039
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.599
<v Speaker 3>It's you are such an f chowerd And I would

1040
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.119
<v Speaker 3>think that's fucking but as you can see, every time

1041
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:12.199
<v Speaker 3>he shows up with it, there are too many asterisks.

1042
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.440
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what he's going for. You are

1043
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 3>such an eving coward. Have you even looked at the

1044
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:24.760
<v Speaker 3>evidence of the shroud of turn? Because if you had

1045
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:27.519
<v Speaker 3>the courage to look at it objectively, you would not

1046
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:28.599
<v Speaker 3>continue to deny the.

1047
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:30.280
<v Speaker 5>Power and truth in Christ.

1048
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 3>But you fing atheists have to hide from the evidence,

1049
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.760
<v Speaker 3>just like you hide from the light. There has been

1050
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.360
<v Speaker 3>real science done on it, and you could find it

1051
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:42.920
<v Speaker 3>if only you just had the courage to look. F you.

1052
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Followed by scripture.

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00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:46.320
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I.

1054
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Looked him up there all about how I'm gonna get

1055
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:54.519
<v Speaker 3>beat up by the army of Jesus. Except for John

1056
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:55.199
<v Speaker 3>three sixteen.

1057
00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Of course, I had a couple. Daniel said, a thinking

1058
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:05.000
<v Speaker 2>atheist is an oxymoron, You dumb kunt and then blaize

1059
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.639
<v Speaker 2>use the F slur. Now, it is remarkable how many

1060
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.440
<v Speaker 2>people who and I know that a great great many

1061
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:14.840
<v Speaker 2>religious people are not these people. They're not filled with

1062
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:19.519
<v Speaker 2>hate and bigotry and toxicity. So I want to be fair.

1063
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.320
<v Speaker 2>But there are also a great many people who are

1064
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.000
<v Speaker 2>waving the God banner, waving their Bibles and telling us

1065
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:29.119
<v Speaker 2>we're all going to Hell, who lead with unbelievable racial

1066
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:33.039
<v Speaker 2>sexual slurs. The women in this movement know exactly what

1067
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I am talking about, and I find that interesting.

1068
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.199
<v Speaker 3>Noah, Yeah, so this guy's probably a little bit too

1069
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:40.480
<v Speaker 3>long to read the whole thing.

1070
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:44.599
<v Speaker 3>The sound shame of it is is that there's actually

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01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:48.920
<v Speaker 3>like eleven more paragraphs of this, but about four paragraphs

1073
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:51.320
<v Speaker 3>from the end, he gives up on the emojis. He's like,

1074
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 3>that's a lot of work.

1075
01:00:54.840 --> 01:01:00.000
<v Speaker 2>But he's warning you about nuclear war with the radioactives,

1076
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:05.599
<v Speaker 2>sign global markets, a treaty with Israel. The witnesses are

1077
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:10.599
<v Speaker 2>coming forward mass apostasy. I guess that's everybody in this room.

1078
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Here's one.

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01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.920
<v Speaker 2>If Seth was placed in a position of authority over

1080
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:20.119
<v Speaker 2>the masses, our society would grow to resemble North Korea

1081
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:24.119
<v Speaker 2>jacked up on steroids. I don't give a flying fuck

1082
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.159
<v Speaker 2>how off topic I am either. I'm telling you Seth

1083
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.639
<v Speaker 2>is a certified fucking psychopath and is not the type

1084
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:41.039
<v Speaker 2>of creep you would want around your children. Wow.

1085
01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:55.119
<v Speaker 3>I want to point out this is actually a comment

1086
01:01:55.199 --> 01:02:00.079
<v Speaker 3>on one of Seth's video hosts, Noah looks like a

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01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.239
<v Speaker 3>murderer from Silence of the Lambs, which is another way

1088
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.840
<v Speaker 3>of saying no, it looks like a movie star until

1089
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:11.679
<v Speaker 3>I heard him speak creepy, look great, intelligent conversation. Thanks,

1090
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:12.679
<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Brutally honest. No, brutally honest.

1092
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:22.519
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go ahead and read this because it speaks

1094
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.159
<v Speaker 2>to something that I will occasionally hear from someone A

1095
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of things that the same here is correct. Promise

1096
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:37.440
<v Speaker 2>is Seth took money in order to speak at Christian rallies.

1097
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 2>He would take their money and come to their rallies

1098
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.400
<v Speaker 2>and talk in front of massive groups of Christians. Seth

1099
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.800
<v Speaker 2>would literally take their money and sell everyone out just

1100
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:48.159
<v Speaker 2>to get their money. I have no respect for Seth

1101
01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:51.000
<v Speaker 2>because if you have to take someone's money in order

1102
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.159
<v Speaker 2>to speak at a rally, then you are a trader.

1103
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:56.119
<v Speaker 2>And then I'll spare the rest of it. Essentially, he's

1104
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.920
<v Speaker 2>saying now that I'm on the other side of religion.

1105
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.519
<v Speaker 2>If I do anything or profit, if I do anything

1106
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:04.280
<v Speaker 2>to make a living full time as an activist, I

1107
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:08.079
<v Speaker 2>am also a poser. I am a fucking liar. I

1108
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 2>go to Christian Riley's I guess rallies, takes their money

1109
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.480
<v Speaker 2>and speaks in front of tons of Christian crowds. After

1110
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:17.599
<v Speaker 2>he takes their money. He also uses the money bag emoji,

1111
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.400
<v Speaker 2>which I wasn't convinced until I did see the money

1112
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.239
<v Speaker 2>bag emoji. And now he is absolutely credible and I

1113
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.480
<v Speaker 2>want to thank him for his unsolicited Do you want

1114
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:27.480
<v Speaker 2>to point illusions?

1115
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:29.199
<v Speaker 3>Do you want to point out that he had too

1116
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:32.920
<v Speaker 3>many asterisks? After his f two might be the same guy.

1117
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.599
<v Speaker 3>That is all one sentence. That's creepy at shit. All right,

1118
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:39.760
<v Speaker 3>So this is a great one. I love this so much.

1119
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:42.760
<v Speaker 3>I got this from Mohammed. The English isn't great. He's

1120
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:44.239
<v Speaker 3>just giving me a bunch of questions, because you know

1121
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.679
<v Speaker 3>how Christians think we owe them answers to scientific questions.

1122
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:48.239
<v Speaker 3>I could google.

1123
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:49.920
<v Speaker 5>I won't give you all of them, but it's like

1124
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:50.920
<v Speaker 5>a when.

1125
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.320
<v Speaker 3>How and in what form heavens and the earth and

1126
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:57.039
<v Speaker 3>what is between them was created, How a solar system

1127
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.320
<v Speaker 3>was set, how climates were set. My favorite is when

1128
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:04.960
<v Speaker 3>we asked about milk, how production of milk was developed.

1129
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.440
<v Speaker 3>There's leading actation to him, mother pucker all the winds.

1130
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Jim sent the love of Jesus when he said, fuck you, asshole.

1131
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:23.880
<v Speaker 2>God will judge you. And I happily included his full

1132
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 2>name and his photo because he made it public in

1133
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:32.320
<v Speaker 2>the first place. Okay, I sent this reply to Jim

1134
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:34.719
<v Speaker 2>after he said fuck you asshole, God will judge you.

1135
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, quick note Jim, with its first recorded use

1136
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 2>linked to the fourteenth century. Asshole is one word, a

1137
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:46.440
<v Speaker 2>compound noun formulated as a single lexical unit, whether referring

1138
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to either the anatomical feature of a body or an

1139
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:54.159
<v Speaker 2>undesirable person. The British often replaced the first s with

1140
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:58.360
<v Speaker 2>an R, producing an insult, which has arguably more flair.

1141
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Urse whole arse is derived from the Proto Germanic word arsaws,

1142
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:10.800
<v Speaker 2>which itself is drawn from the Indo European ores, meaning buttocks.

1143
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.360
<v Speaker 2>In the fourteen hundreds, Old English referred to an arsehol,

1144
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:18.920
<v Speaker 2>with the whool defined as an orifice in the body,

1145
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:23.280
<v Speaker 2>like a nostril or ear canal. As such, in the

1146
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.880
<v Speaker 2>context of your threat, if I'm not the actual rectal

1147
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.760
<v Speaker 2>terminus of the large intestine, but m instead the negative

1148
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.599
<v Speaker 2>space within it, how might the whole itself be judged?

1149
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Just trying to prepare myself. Thanks for sharing Jesus's love,

1150
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:55.480
<v Speaker 2>no illusions? Ah oh yeah, no, this guy was great.

1151
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I have heard your show and have heard you speak

1152
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:00.679
<v Speaker 3>against the Lord God.

1153
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Will not be mocked on Noa's show.

1154
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:05.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yes, he well, good luck with that.

1155
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:07.239
<v Speaker 2>You will know hell on.

1156
01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:10.639
<v Speaker 3>Earth for your blasphemies upon the return of Christ. If

1157
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:16.800
<v Speaker 3>not before, look over your shoulder, heathen, for the righteous

1158
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:19.920
<v Speaker 3>may walk behind you. I will not debase myself to

1159
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.199
<v Speaker 3>use the language you would have used in this situation.

1160
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:24.400
<v Speaker 3>Dude makes a death threat and then he's like, but

1161
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:28.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be rude about this, but know

1162
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.760
<v Speaker 3>that God will have the last laugh, as will I.

1163
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:33.679
<v Speaker 3>One are the others going to have the last laugh?

1164
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:35.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean you're not both. I guess maybe you could

1165
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:36.440
<v Speaker 3>both laugh together.

1166
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.639
<v Speaker 2>No, not a weird insult. I mean, how many times

1167
01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:41.840
<v Speaker 2>have people said the equivalent You'd just wait till you're

1168
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:48.559
<v Speaker 2>dead and you'll see that way.

1169
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:51.840
<v Speaker 3>His name isn't Miles. That's like Latin for Army of

1170
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Christ or something.

1171
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I recently did an event with Guts It Given and

1172
01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Forrest Valcai, and in advance of that, someone sent me

1173
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 2>this men A guy named Mark said, I'd noticed recently

1174
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.639
<v Speaker 2>that both you and your friend Forrest have very high

1175
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:24.760
<v Speaker 2>forehid Buffalo Bill and Lurch on stage with you today.

1176
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:28.679
<v Speaker 2>This was an invitation I got to debate Can't Hoven

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01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh God? And I saved the email. Hello, Seth. I

1178
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:37.320
<v Speaker 2>followed your work on The Thinking Atheist and appreciate your

1179
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:41.480
<v Speaker 2>respectful and thoughtful approach to discussions on faith and skepticism.

1180
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Can't Hoven has expressed interest in a debate on evolution

1181
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:49.079
<v Speaker 2>and creationism. We would be honored if you would consider

1182
01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:53.880
<v Speaker 2>participating in this civil dialogue aimed at informing a broad audience.

1183
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Please let me know if you'd be open to learning more.

1184
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.239
<v Speaker 2>And I stared at the email for about ten minutes

1185
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and I clicked reply, and I said, good morning. I

1186
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:18.159
<v Speaker 2>would rather put a campfire out with my face in

1187
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:32.319
<v Speaker 2>christ Seth andrews, Okay, everybody, then, I think it might

1188
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:35.880
<v Speaker 2>make you smile as well. And I describe everything pretty

1189
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:38.600
<v Speaker 2>well now when we start the Q and A. The

1190
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:43.039
<v Speaker 2>first questioner did not have a mic on, and so

1191
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:45.199
<v Speaker 2>I think you can hear what he says. It's kind

1192
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:49.720
<v Speaker 2>of sketchy audio, but every questioner after that sounds a

1193
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:52.600
<v Speaker 2>whole lot better. So stick with me after the first

1194
01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:56.000
<v Speaker 2>part of that first question, and then after that everything

1195
01:08:56.039 --> 01:09:08.680
<v Speaker 2>becomes much more clear. We continue next. Okay, let's draw

1196
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:12.279
<v Speaker 2>a number and you tell me what you've got. Everyone

1197
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:15.319
<v Speaker 2>pull your tickets out and be ready.

1198
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.760
<v Speaker 3>All right, we got number of two.

1199
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:26.880
<v Speaker 2>O, two, three, five, six two, What is the one? Well,

1200
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:33.560
<v Speaker 2>we have the Poop and Learn book. You'll come on

1201
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:35.760
<v Speaker 2>up here real fast. We will deliver it. Do you

1202
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:39.159
<v Speaker 2>want to sign that? Let's let's let's let's make it official.

1203
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why not, We'll just sign Uh, we'll sign

1204
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:48.439
<v Speaker 2>the front here for you. I should sign Matt de

1205
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:49.319
<v Speaker 2>la Hunt's name.

1206
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.720
<v Speaker 3>This is by Willie Wiper. By the way, I notice

1207
01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.880
<v Speaker 3>that at least.

1208
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh the prize first one to raise their hand. Anyone

1209
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:09.159
<v Speaker 2>here have a cross tattoo? Come on, you were first.

1210
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:12.680
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to show it.

1211
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:15.199
<v Speaker 3>You don't.

1212
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.279
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to show it, but I will show

1213
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:25.239
<v Speaker 2>you what you've won. Congratulations. You got a couple of

1214
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:29.199
<v Speaker 2>coins that you can keep handy. They are, in fact

1215
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:33.560
<v Speaker 2>your last fucks, so you can give those away. Here

1216
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 2>you can have my last fuck. Congratulations, big hand for

1217
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:43.800
<v Speaker 2>our recipients. Okay, give me your number, John, Okay?

1218
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.840
<v Speaker 3>Uh see two three five two?

1219
01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:50.680
<v Speaker 2>What's up with the front row?

1220
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:53.800
<v Speaker 3>I need to do a better orange juice?

1221
01:10:54.199 --> 01:11:02.399
<v Speaker 2>What has he won? A Bob Ross toaster which imprints

1222
01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:12.159
<v Speaker 2>the face of Bob Ross on your morning toast? Congratulations?

1223
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you want? Do you want the box sign?

1224
01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:17.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I've decided Bob Ross.

1225
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

1226
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:19.680
<v Speaker 3>We'll give you a.

1227
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Happy little signature next to a happy little tree and

1228
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:28.479
<v Speaker 2>a happy little bird. Anybody else obsessed with old Bob

1229
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Ross shows? I watched them all the time, the man

1230
01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:36.840
<v Speaker 2>who discovered as Mr right there. Yes, thank you guys,

1231
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. A couple more before we do some Q

1232
01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and A with you guys. Let's draw another one not

1233
01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:45.560
<v Speaker 2>the front row.

1234
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:51.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah all right, we're.

1235
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Working our way to the back wall. What's your name, Dave?

1236
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:07.560
<v Speaker 2>You have one a jesusas mug. Now, this mug has

1237
01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:10.880
<v Speaker 2>a beard in Jesus. But when you pour hot tea

1238
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:15.960
<v Speaker 2>or coffee into it, his beard magically disappears. It is

1239
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a genuine praise Jesus, miracle and congratulations.

1240
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, thank you, you.

1241
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:26.720
<v Speaker 4>Bet, thanks for coming up.

1242
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:30.159
<v Speaker 2>Let me take a look and see what if I

1243
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:35.800
<v Speaker 2>have one more here? Cute up I do. Let's do another? Uh,

1244
01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:37.239
<v Speaker 2>let's do another number.

1245
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:40.239
<v Speaker 6>Eight?

1246
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, all right, shout it out. What's your first name? Alice? Alice?

1247
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<v Speaker 2>You know when sin, when sin has covered you, you

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01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.079
<v Speaker 2>need to be washed with Jesus. So you've got some

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus so to wash away those sins. Congratulations, Alice, I'm

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01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:19.079
<v Speaker 2>so glad you came up. All right, No one I'm

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01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:21.920
<v Speaker 2>sure would agree with me. We're not Yoda. We don't

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01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:24.399
<v Speaker 2>have a ton of great wisdom. We do a lot

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01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:28.359
<v Speaker 2>of this, but I'm more interested in interaction. So we

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01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:32.359
<v Speaker 2>do have a roving microphone. If anyone has a comment

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01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:35.000
<v Speaker 2>or question, let's engage each other. Let's talk about the

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01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.279
<v Speaker 2>world that we live in and anything that's on your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Does anybody want to start? Anybody have any thoughts? I

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01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:45.119
<v Speaker 2>see a gentleman here in the center of the back

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01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:52.560
<v Speaker 2>section with his hand in the air. This is you.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys are awesome, and that's maybe laugh my family laugh forever.

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<v Speaker 3>You very awesome.

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01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 8>If you were to ask right now, I know the

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<v Speaker 8>subject at the moment that AI has been about your

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01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.800
<v Speaker 8>fout a year now. I work with it constantly working

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01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:08.880
<v Speaker 8>things along those lines. If you were asked a GPT

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<v Speaker 8>five point six that came out of est today, vote

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01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:15.159
<v Speaker 8>God exists or not, and give you a hard answer

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<v Speaker 8>on that, playing all the evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Empirical, that's philosophical and everything, guess what it would come

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<v Speaker 2>back with.

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<v Speaker 8>It comes out with a percentage depending on the of

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<v Speaker 8>the prompt, it comes about sixty to eighty percent as.

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<v Speaker 3>That God does not exist.

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<v Speaker 5>It seems low.

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<v Speaker 2>By questions. You know, there's what gold is a had

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<v Speaker 2>in this.

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01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.039
<v Speaker 8>I mean the best advocates and you boil all that

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01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:52.159
<v Speaker 8>all that asking everything you asked a r AI right now,

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01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:55.439
<v Speaker 8>my grandma can ask right now, I cannot be answered

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01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:56.359
<v Speaker 8>right answered.

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<v Speaker 2>So is it an advocate or is it dangerous? Or

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01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.479
<v Speaker 2>what are your off on the while he answers, I

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01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:05.560
<v Speaker 2>need to look for a second, Mike, real fast, Go ahead, brother, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So my concern on that is that if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>get the answer you want from chat GPT, you'll go

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01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:13.960
<v Speaker 3>to different AI. They're already crafting AI specifically designed to

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01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:16.840
<v Speaker 3>lie to you about this issue or that. Right so,

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01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Elon Musk has decided to make his AI lie to

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01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:22.159
<v Speaker 3>you about racism. We covered a story recently on The

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01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Scathing Atheist that was a where somebody was making an

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01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.520
<v Speaker 3>AI that was designed to lie to you about Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>So my fear is that we are going to tend

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<v Speaker 3>towards whatever gives us the answers we want, rather than

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<v Speaker 3>whatever gives us the answers that are correct.

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<v Speaker 5>And of course we're going to do that now with

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<v Speaker 5>the em burder of.

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<v Speaker 3>AI. Right so, people will say, you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>just that my priest told me this, It's that the

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<v Speaker 3>all knowing AI told me the thing it was programmed

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<v Speaker 3>to tell me is.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that gets me is the people who were

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01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:02.800
<v Speaker 2>having affairs with their chatbot. They're leaving their spouses and

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01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:07.199
<v Speaker 2>going in these weird relationships with a chat baw, with

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01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:10.239
<v Speaker 2>chat GPT or whatever. There have been news reports there's

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01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:13.439
<v Speaker 2>one guy in his marriage is on the rocks. His

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01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.720
<v Speaker 2>wife is a strange because he disappears into some other

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01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.680
<v Speaker 2>parts of his life to talk to a non human.

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01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Does that speak to our desire for connection? But then

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01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:25.600
<v Speaker 2>we've got it feeding it back to us what we

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01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:27.960
<v Speaker 2>may want to hear, and then we were in the

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01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:31.760
<v Speaker 2>spheres of disinformation. It's funny, the more connected our world is,

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01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:36.479
<v Speaker 2>the more disconnected our world seems to be. I don't know,

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01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:40.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, I use AI to like clean up images,

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01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and I've used it. I used it on my taxes,

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01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:47.319
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean I would have spent all day

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01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:49.000
<v Speaker 2>doing a P and L and trying to put all

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01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:51.600
<v Speaker 2>the numbers together, and I was able to feed it

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01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:53.720
<v Speaker 2>into AI and it was able to do the calculation

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01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:56.680
<v Speaker 2>in a way that made my life easier. But I

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01:16:56.840 --> 01:16:59.039
<v Speaker 2>also we've talked about this on the show. I'm fully

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01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:02.239
<v Speaker 2>aware of two major things. One is I know that

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01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:07.039
<v Speaker 2>it's stealing from creators and the people who are you know,

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01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I used to think technology would be doing menial work

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01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:13.399
<v Speaker 2>so we could make art, and instead technologies making art

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01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:15.640
<v Speaker 2>so we get fired from the menial job and have

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01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:19.079
<v Speaker 2>no work. You know, it's weird. I am a little

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01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:22.600
<v Speaker 2>concerned about the power issue. But I also think that

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01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:27.359
<v Speaker 2>there are whole religions already sprouting up around Ai. There

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01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:30.479
<v Speaker 2>are people who are worshiping at the churches of Ai

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01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:33.960
<v Speaker 2>in a sense, and that freaks me out, Like will

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01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:38.239
<v Speaker 2>we will worship almost anything? Yeah, well almost anything?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're talking about people having romantic relationships with AI.

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01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.680
<v Speaker 3>I recently read an excellent book called The Yahoo Boys

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01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:51.680
<v Speaker 3>about Nigerian romance scammers, and he made the point and

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<v Speaker 3>I thought was really interesting that chat GPT in so

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01:17:54.079 --> 01:17:57.159
<v Speaker 3>many ways is just a Nigerian romance scammer.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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01:17:57.279 --> 01:17:59.920
<v Speaker 3>It's something that'll tell you exactly what you want to hear,

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01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:02.479
<v Speaker 3>and it'll be all the as attentive as you want

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01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:05.319
<v Speaker 3>it to be. You just have to keep feeding it money, right,

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01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:08.319
<v Speaker 3>And that's one of the interesting Like chat GPT is putting.

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01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:13.880
<v Speaker 5>That scam out of business, So that's the one.

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01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.039
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's idiots drinking all our water, taking all

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01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:21.079
<v Speaker 3>our jobs. But Graham's a little bit safer from thinking

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01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:22.840
<v Speaker 3>that she's about to marry Keanu Reeves.

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01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:23.640
<v Speaker 5>So there's also that.

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01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Anybody else. I see a gentleman in the back here,

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01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:33.520
<v Speaker 2>and then I see someone here. We'll come back to

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01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:34.399
<v Speaker 2>you in just a moment.

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01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Love the shirt.

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01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh he's got a wait? Is this king atheist?

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01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:39.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Nice? Okay, So I'm gonna go with the lighter question.

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01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:47.560
<v Speaker 2>I suspect.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm going to grant each of you the power

1357
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.800
<v Speaker 9>to keep Donald Trump forever having been considered a viable

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01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:56.800
<v Speaker 9>candidate for president, let alone being elected. But to do it,

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01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:59.439
<v Speaker 9>you have to wipe either the Super Nintendo or the

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01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:03.760
<v Speaker 9>Sagais from history that never existed? Which one and why?

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<v Speaker 9>I'm really curious what you think though, of Seth You'll.

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01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I understand the question. Rephrase it, use

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01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:15.359
<v Speaker 2>small words, use your hands, breaks yourself.

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01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:20.359
<v Speaker 9>So Donald Trump bad? You could stop him, like John Connor. Yes,

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01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:23.920
<v Speaker 9>But to do that, you have to either wipe out

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01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:27.239
<v Speaker 9>the Sega Genesis so it never went to market, or

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01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:30.439
<v Speaker 9>the Super Nintendo so it never went to market. That's

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01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:32.560
<v Speaker 9>the side effect of stopping Donald Trump.

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01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I'd nick them both and used Calliko vision.

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01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:35.760
<v Speaker 8>But that's just men.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, So I'm gonna stand I'm gonna I'm

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01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:45.960
<v Speaker 3>gonna sit here and pretend that I'm not appalled that

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01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:48.560
<v Speaker 3>he just talked about getting rid of two generation four

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01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:52.399
<v Speaker 3>consoles in favor of a generation two consoles. Doesn't even

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01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:56.119
<v Speaker 3>make sensive, Seth. But yeah, no, obviously you get rid

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01:19:56.159 --> 01:19:58.199
<v Speaker 3>of the Sega Genesis. I mean, come on, say it

1377
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:02.239
<v Speaker 3>was super Nintendo gave us so many classic games. Second

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01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Genesis just had really good marketing.

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01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:08.399
<v Speaker 2>Anybody here having in television, anybody remembering television back in.

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01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:15.159
<v Speaker 3>The day, I'm same, same, yeah, yeah, spend a whole

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01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:16.359
<v Speaker 3>lot of money on their marketing.

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01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:18.880
<v Speaker 2>There was someone over here with their hand up. Let's

1383
01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:21.760
<v Speaker 2>go there. Next. I've got John. He has big mike

1384
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:23.720
<v Speaker 2>and a small mic. The small one is for our

1385
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:26.960
<v Speaker 2>video camera, so I can have that. So if he

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01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:31.359
<v Speaker 2>holds two close to your face, he's not insane, he's practical.

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01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:38.439
<v Speaker 2>He is the godless engineer. Go ahead, Seth. I've been

1388
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:40.359
<v Speaker 2>listening to you for a while, but I don't really

1389
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:40.680
<v Speaker 2>know you.

1390
01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Noah, so I don't know you either.

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01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:46.560
<v Speaker 5>It's fine, but this has been.

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01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Bugging me for a while. Your name, no illusions, And

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01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I just was threeus. If it's a play on words,

1394
01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:53.159
<v Speaker 2>if that's your real name.

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01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:55.640
<v Speaker 3>That's it would be crazy if that was my name,

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01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:56.560
<v Speaker 3>and I did this job on it.

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01:20:57.960 --> 01:20:59.560
<v Speaker 5>So it's no, it's a it's a fake name.

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01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:01.239
<v Speaker 3>In the heart part about coming up with a fake

1399
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:02.359
<v Speaker 3>name is that I had to come up with a

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01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:04.279
<v Speaker 3>fake name that would work for my wife as well.

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01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:06.479
<v Speaker 5>So I'm no illusions.

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01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:10.079
<v Speaker 3>She's loosened delusions son.

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01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:14.600
<v Speaker 2>And if there's somebody more epic, there's anybody more epic

1404
01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:18.600
<v Speaker 2>than Noah, it's loosened to she is a fool very leader.

1405
01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:25.800
<v Speaker 3>Who is next?

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01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:28.239
<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to ramble on for just a second. Oh,

1407
01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:30.760
<v Speaker 2>we have someone here on the corner. I will say

1408
01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:33.039
<v Speaker 2>that to be a partner of an activist, those people

1409
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:38.800
<v Speaker 2>deserve a very special kind of award. Even when you're

1410
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:41.640
<v Speaker 2>not activisting, you're thinking about activisting, and if all of

1411
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:44.199
<v Speaker 2>a sudden you realized you weren't thinking about activisting, then

1412
01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:46.680
<v Speaker 2>you feel guilty and horrible for not activisting, and so

1413
01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:49.960
<v Speaker 2>you go back and it's twenty four to seven. It's life.

1414
01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Balance is hard for activists, and I think many of

1415
01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the people in this room, even if you're not on

1416
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:57.119
<v Speaker 2>YouTuber podcasting. You're doing high profile stuff in your own circle.

1417
01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:00.279
<v Speaker 2>You have an activist nature. You want change the world, right,

1418
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:02.159
<v Speaker 2>even if it's just in your circle, You want to

1419
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.960
<v Speaker 2>change things. That's an activist nature, and burnout's a problem

1420
01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:08.840
<v Speaker 2>for us. Life balance is a challenge for us. And

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01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure many of you were nodding your heads at

1422
01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:14.119
<v Speaker 2>me saying, yeah, I know exactly what that's like. So yes,

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01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:15.600
<v Speaker 2>we do see you go ahead.

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01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:19.439
<v Speaker 10>So I just want to say it's cool that you

1425
01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:24.960
<v Speaker 10>guys came to this specific place because, very long story short,

1426
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:27.600
<v Speaker 10>I was in a catastrophic thing a couple of years ago,

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01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:31.279
<v Speaker 10>and I got reconnected to some family that I hadn't

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01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:34.159
<v Speaker 10>talked to in a long time, and I got invited

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01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:39.239
<v Speaker 10>to a production here that was a ballet, and I thought,

1430
01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:43.520
<v Speaker 10>innocent enough, that's cool, some relatives I haven't seen in

1431
01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:46.199
<v Speaker 10>a long time. But it was all for these homeschooled

1432
01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:53.159
<v Speaker 10>like Catholic cult and I look a little different. So

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01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:55.399
<v Speaker 10>it was just a really interesting experience. But it was

1434
01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:59.640
<v Speaker 10>here in this exact room a year ago, like Christmas

1435
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:01.560
<v Speaker 10>time or something, So I just thought you guys might

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01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:02.439
<v Speaker 10>think that was cool.

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01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:06.680
<v Speaker 2>No, we came to realign the cheap Yeah. Right, so

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01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:10.720
<v Speaker 2>the chakras are now imbalanced.

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01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Well not yet. We have to do a little ballet.

1440
01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:20.840
<v Speaker 3>So when you first said that, I was just I

1441
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:22.000
<v Speaker 3>was sure you're gonna tell me it was one of

1442
01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:26.640
<v Speaker 3>that fool on Gong show or something like that. Maybe

1443
01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:27.159
<v Speaker 3>even worse.

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01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:31.319
<v Speaker 2>We have somebody up there. Okay, I'm looking into the spotlight.

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01:23:31.399 --> 01:23:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Forgive me. Go ahead, speak nice and loud for us.

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01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:35.640
<v Speaker 11>Can you hear me?

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01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

1448
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:43.039
<v Speaker 5>But that was your question. I'm sorry, Seth.

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01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:47.520
<v Speaker 11>I have a problem with my in laws at times

1450
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:51.359
<v Speaker 11>overstepping their boundaries on religion.

1451
01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>How do you handle that?

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01:23:55.800 --> 01:24:00.479
<v Speaker 11>Like we try to keep we try to keep the

1453
01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:03.359
<v Speaker 11>boundaries there and let them know, no religion at the table,

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01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:07.279
<v Speaker 11>but it doesn't work and they're very like pushback on it.

1455
01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:09.279
<v Speaker 5>So how do you deal with that?

1456
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Did I say that I'm not a life coach, psychologist

1457
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:17.000
<v Speaker 2>or a qualified counselor did I say that a few

1458
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>minutes ago? I have opinions. It's amazing the permission that

1459
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:32.159
<v Speaker 2>blood relatives give themselves to do and say things that

1460
01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:37.159
<v Speaker 2>we would never allow from anybody else. And I don't

1461
01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:40.279
<v Speaker 2>want to get too heavy, but I remember when I

1462
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:44.640
<v Speaker 2>was deconstructing, and everybody in my hardcore evangelical family went

1463
01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:49.479
<v Speaker 2>into panic mode. Prodigal has to be brought home. He's

1464
01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:52.920
<v Speaker 2>going to go to hell. Mom says, you're embarrassing the family,

1465
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:58.199
<v Speaker 2>you're tarnishing the family name. Blah blah blah. And it

1466
01:24:58.359 --> 01:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>was just a barrage, and they were crafty. One day

1467
01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:05.600
<v Speaker 2>would be a text that talked about a verse or this,

1468
01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:08.359
<v Speaker 2>or a correction in the Lord, or the next day

1469
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:11.199
<v Speaker 2>it would be a link to a sermon video, or

1470
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:13.840
<v Speaker 2>she would give me a book, or she would threaten

1471
01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:16.479
<v Speaker 2>me with hell or Dad. You know, my father said,

1472
01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:19.359
<v Speaker 2>there can be no fellowship with an unbeliever. Nothing else

1473
01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:22.640
<v Speaker 2>can be enjoyed until we solved the eternal problem. And

1474
01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I remember they would say and do the worst stuff

1475
01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:29.640
<v Speaker 2>thinking and they were doing it in love. And I

1476
01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:32.359
<v Speaker 2>remember abiding that in my own life for the longest time,

1477
01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:37.359
<v Speaker 2>under the excuse, well, they're your parents and you need

1478
01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>to respect your elders. And I finally came to a

1479
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.119
<v Speaker 2>point in my own life when I thought, I'm not

1480
01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:47.439
<v Speaker 2>doing any of this to them. I'm not pounding on

1481
01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:49.439
<v Speaker 2>their door, I'm not telling them to change the way

1482
01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:52.720
<v Speaker 2>they live. I'm not saying live your life my way.

1483
01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:56.920
<v Speaker 2>This is a total double standard. And so I set

1484
01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:00.039
<v Speaker 2>a boundary that was a harder line. I got so

1485
01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:02.760
<v Speaker 2>tired of the constant sermonizing and the guilt and the

1486
01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:05.159
<v Speaker 2>shame and the boundary crossing that I said, all right, look,

1487
01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:09.159
<v Speaker 2>first of all, do you believe that Jesus can do anything? Yes?

1488
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Do you believe God answers prayer? Yes? Have you prayed

1489
01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>for me to return to Jesus. Yes, you're off the hook.

1490
01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:23.720
<v Speaker 2>You have done your pardon. So now let God do

1491
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.119
<v Speaker 2>what God does. And this journey is going to be

1492
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:29.439
<v Speaker 2>between me and God. If God reveals himself, I promise

1493
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:32.159
<v Speaker 2>I will be open to it. But this conversation no

1494
01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:38.359
<v Speaker 2>longer includes you. That never works. It never works, but

1495
01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:42.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a tool to essentially show them how little they

1496
01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:46.119
<v Speaker 2>believe in the power of prayer. And the second thing is,

1497
01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:49.680
<v Speaker 2>if you do or say this kind of thing again

1498
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:53.239
<v Speaker 2>against my wishes, you were going to force my hand

1499
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:55.199
<v Speaker 2>to draw a hard line and I will have to

1500
01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:57.880
<v Speaker 2>remove you from my circle. Now that was a hard

1501
01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:01.119
<v Speaker 2>decision I made for me. I can't tell you when

1502
01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.439
<v Speaker 2>and where to draw that line, because that's a cost

1503
01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:07.760
<v Speaker 2>benefit that only you can make access to you, access

1504
01:27:07.800 --> 01:27:10.279
<v Speaker 2>to your children, access to your life. How much are

1505
01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>you're willing to endure or abide? But I'll tell you,

1506
01:27:13.239 --> 01:27:16.199
<v Speaker 2>the problem that is happening is not your fault. It's theirs.

1507
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think respect starts with self respect. And if

1508
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:23.880
<v Speaker 2>they start to really push in and say toxic and

1509
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:28.520
<v Speaker 2>intrusive things, especially when the kids are in play, my

1510
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>first thought is if they're disrespecting your boundary, you would

1511
01:27:33.079 --> 01:27:36.359
<v Speaker 2>have every right to step back and say, okay, well,

1512
01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to focus on the family that does act

1513
01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:42.479
<v Speaker 2>with respect, courtesy, empathy and all of that and isn't

1514
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>trying to make me live my life their way. It's

1515
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.880
<v Speaker 2>a tough answer for me because I think everybody's so complicated.

1516
01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's answer is going to be different. Does that remotely

1517
01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:56.399
<v Speaker 2>help you? I just think at some point, if it

1518
01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:01.000
<v Speaker 2>gets too intense, explain to them here is the line.

1519
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, here is exactly what it is, so you

1520
01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:07.760
<v Speaker 2>know what it is and you can't miss it. And

1521
01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>then if they cross it and you decide I'm gonna

1522
01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>have to withdraw, that is not your fault. They forced

1523
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:20.479
<v Speaker 2>your hand because respect starts with self respect, and boundaries

1524
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:22.439
<v Speaker 2>are important in our personal lives. I'll bet there are

1525
01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>people in this room we've had to draw hard boundaries

1526
01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:27.680
<v Speaker 2>with loved ones and it hurt, and you felt guilty

1527
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:29.560
<v Speaker 2>and you thought, am I doing the right thing? And

1528
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:31.920
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, And if we just have one more conversation,

1529
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:33.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe I can change their minds and maybe they'll leave

1530
01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:36.520
<v Speaker 2>me alone. Maybe a few years the past, we'll try again.

1531
01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>It blows up in your face. It's brutal. Families are tough,

1532
01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:42.279
<v Speaker 2>and I don't have the answer. If I did have

1533
01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:45.479
<v Speaker 2>the answer, i'd be talking to my mother. But unfortunately,

1534
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:48.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're now contact and it's because religion has

1535
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:51.119
<v Speaker 2>divided us in that way. I don't know no idea

1536
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:55.359
<v Speaker 2>of any wisdom. On top of that, no, I will say, okay,

1537
01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:55.760
<v Speaker 2>well thanks.

1538
01:28:55.960 --> 01:29:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I wouldn't call anything that I say wisdom. But

1539
01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:05.520
<v Speaker 3>my what worked with my dad He liked to bring

1540
01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:10.319
<v Speaker 3>up religion constantly, and I don't think for him it

1541
01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:12.199
<v Speaker 3>was just more of a jib, you know. It was

1542
01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:14.319
<v Speaker 3>more of a like i'm gonna get you, I'm gonna

1543
01:29:14.319 --> 01:29:15.800
<v Speaker 3>get you kind of thing. And so what I told

1544
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:19.159
<v Speaker 3>him is like, all right, I'm keeping score every time

1545
01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:22.039
<v Speaker 3>you bring up God You've given me permission to just

1546
01:29:22.119 --> 01:29:24.640
<v Speaker 3>toss an atheist argument out at you whenever I feel

1547
01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:27.359
<v Speaker 3>like it, right, and so I would keep I would

1548
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:28.720
<v Speaker 3>tell him at the end of being like, hey, I've

1549
01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:30.680
<v Speaker 3>got four now, and then I just, you know, throw

1550
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:32.520
<v Speaker 3>something out there, like, you know, I throw the problem

1551
01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:34.439
<v Speaker 3>of evil out when we're having a dinner conversation.

1552
01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:38.239
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I still have three. And eventually.

1553
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:42.119
<v Speaker 3>He realized that I argue about this ship for a

1554
01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:43.079
<v Speaker 3>living and he doesn't.

1555
01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:51.279
<v Speaker 2>So Statistically, the two demographics who know the Bible the

1556
01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:57.000
<v Speaker 2>best are Jews. And if you want to know the

1557
01:29:57.199 --> 01:30:01.439
<v Speaker 2>history and the scripture of Christianity in this country especially,

1558
01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:06.239
<v Speaker 2>you usually don't talk to a Christian. I find that fascinating.

1559
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:08.359
<v Speaker 2>I got to share an anecdote real fast, and I've

1560
01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>told it a few times. But there may be some

1561
01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:12.159
<v Speaker 2>of the room that might benefit, you might benefit I

1562
01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:15.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but we've got a minute, and I think

1563
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>it's I think it's relevant. So everybody else in my

1564
01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:23.439
<v Speaker 2>family hardcore religious. My mother, my father is still alive,

1565
01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:28.479
<v Speaker 2>and my parents are theologian level believers. They taught university

1566
01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:32.199
<v Speaker 2>level theology. My mother wrote a Greek New Testament study guide.

1567
01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:38.319
<v Speaker 2>They met at Oral Roberts University. Oral Roberts, the scam evangelist,

1568
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>tent revival healer, dude, you know. And they were hardcore, right,

1569
01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:44.760
<v Speaker 2>And that was my upbringing. That's how intense it was,

1570
01:30:45.119 --> 01:30:48.279
<v Speaker 2>So you can imagine how intense my impostasy was. And

1571
01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:52.399
<v Speaker 2>so I cousin named Sue who lived out of town.

1572
01:30:52.439 --> 01:30:54.399
<v Speaker 2>She lived in Chicago, and she was going to be

1573
01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:58.279
<v Speaker 2>in town. And so my sister called and said, Hey, cousin,

1574
01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Sue's going to be in town. We're having dinner at

1575
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:02.560
<v Speaker 2>our house. And it's been, you know, a long time

1576
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:04.119
<v Speaker 2>since you've seen her. Would you like to come over

1577
01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:08.239
<v Speaker 2>and have dinner? And I said okay, So I nervously

1578
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:10.560
<v Speaker 2>went and we all sat around the table for dinner.

1579
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:12.600
<v Speaker 2>So it's Sue and her husband, Mark, and then there's

1580
01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>my parents and all my siblings and everybody's all around here,

1581
01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and Sue starts to catch up. Now I haven't seen

1582
01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Sue in fifteen years. So Sue's asking everybody, so what

1583
01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>do you do? Well? I work for here, I work

1584
01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:29.720
<v Speaker 2>for this. Oh yeah, we go to church just down

1585
01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the road. We got back from a mission trip. Oh

1586
01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. How about you? What do you do, Oh,

1587
01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:38.640
<v Speaker 2>what do you do? Now? I'm sitting here going fuck,

1588
01:31:43.560 --> 01:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>because I know it's going to come around to me,

1589
01:31:48.039 --> 01:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to have to decide how to respond

1590
01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:54.319
<v Speaker 2>with all of the people in the room, especially my

1591
01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:58.479
<v Speaker 2>totally humiliated mother and father who've been sending me sermons

1592
01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and threats and everything else. So finally it comes to

1593
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:06.119
<v Speaker 2>around to me, and she said, so, Seth, what is

1594
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:08.359
<v Speaker 2>it that you do? And I said, oh, I'm a

1595
01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm a video producer and podcaster, and I do a

1596
01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of audio video work. Yeah, that's what I do anyway.

1597
01:32:17.159 --> 01:32:19.560
<v Speaker 2>And then I kind of handhandedly, kind of shifted over

1598
01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>and I said, you know, and they do a lot

1599
01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:24.199
<v Speaker 2>of you know, I don't know, I forgot exactly how

1600
01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I did it, but I could tell Sue was not

1601
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:33.720
<v Speaker 2>satisfied with my inside. So, Sue, Seth, I'm going to

1602
01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:36.840
<v Speaker 2>come back to you. But you audio video? Are you podcasting?

1603
01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:37.199
<v Speaker 11>Really?

1604
01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:42.359
<v Speaker 2>What do you podcast about? Well? We talked in depth

1605
01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:52.479
<v Speaker 2>about religious issues, and I could tell she wasn't satisfied

1606
01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>with that. And in that moment, I had an epiphany.

1607
01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Lightning freaking struck me and it almost made me mad.

1608
01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I thought everybody else at this table is getting without

1609
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:06.359
<v Speaker 2>a pause. They're getting to be their authentic selves. I'm

1610
01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>the one sitting on my hands trying to My job

1611
01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:12.640
<v Speaker 2>is not to keep them comfortable. I'm not ashamed of

1612
01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:15.680
<v Speaker 2>what I do. This is my authentic self. So she

1613
01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>asked me again, we'll tell me more about what you do.

1614
01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>And I said, I host the most popular atheist podcast

1615
01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:36.600
<v Speaker 2>in the world. And I waited, Mom and Dad. I

1616
01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:41.399
<v Speaker 2>could see him sink a little bit. Nobody freaked, nobody

1617
01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>blew up. It didn't go as south like I thought

1618
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:47.279
<v Speaker 2>it might, and it could have all right, but it

1619
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>was liberating. Now here's the interesting part. They go back

1620
01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:54.600
<v Speaker 2>to Chicago and I get an email from Sue and

1621
01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>she said, you know it's interesting, but Mark's been on

1622
01:33:57.079 --> 01:34:00.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of a journey out of the Catholic church. He's

1623
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>been struggling with some stuff and had some questions. And

1624
01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:07.199
<v Speaker 2>I bought him your book and could I give him

1625
01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:11.960
<v Speaker 2>your email so you guys could have a conversation. Hell, yes,

1626
01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:17.039
<v Speaker 2>you can have my email. You never know, you never

1627
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:20.199
<v Speaker 2>know who's watching, you never know who's doubting, you never

1628
01:34:20.359 --> 01:34:23.239
<v Speaker 2>know who's deconstructing, you never know who's on a journey.

1629
01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>And me being my authentic self provided a point of

1630
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:32.439
<v Speaker 2>connection which might help him better be his authentic self.

1631
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>And that's something that I think we all need to remember.

1632
01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Not everybody can go public, not everybody can be forward.

1633
01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:40.720
<v Speaker 2>We're playing chess, not checkers. I get it, you're not

1634
01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:43.560
<v Speaker 2>a coward if you're playing the long game and you're

1635
01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:45.600
<v Speaker 2>being more silent. But I will say, if you can

1636
01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:50.560
<v Speaker 2>say something, you never know. You never know what sibling,

1637
01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>what parent, what child, what neighbor, what friend, what coworker

1638
01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:57.039
<v Speaker 2>is going through something internally and they find out that

1639
01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.279
<v Speaker 2>you are on that journey and they reach out, and

1640
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I think, honestly, it's shit like that that changes the world. Anyway.

1641
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for letting me tell that story. So anybody

1642
01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:13.399
<v Speaker 2>else want to talk about anything? Oh now, we're cooking

1643
01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:21.279
<v Speaker 2>right here, right here on the front row. Let's do

1644
01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:25.760
<v Speaker 2>this when first, By the way, as they travel, thanks

1645
01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:30.520
<v Speaker 2>to Casey and John for their unbelievable help. Chrissy Helton,

1646
01:35:31.119 --> 01:35:34.399
<v Speaker 2>you are an angel on earth. All the prizes we're

1647
01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:36.560
<v Speaker 2>giving away and the programs you're holding in your hand,

1648
01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>and so much of this stuff. She has helped me navigate.

1649
01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>She has been the glue. And I tell you, whatever

1650
01:35:43.479 --> 01:35:46.439
<v Speaker 2>she's paying her. They're not paying her anything. But if

1651
01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:48.399
<v Speaker 2>I could, I would pay her more. Okay, go ahead,

1652
01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:51.359
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, Just making sure I'm holding at the right distance.

1653
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:54.039
<v Speaker 12>I know more about Noah than Seth, and that's not

1654
01:35:54.079 --> 01:35:55.359
<v Speaker 12>a dig I just haven't had the time to listen

1655
01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:57.840
<v Speaker 12>to a lot of it Noah. A while back, you

1656
01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:01.239
<v Speaker 12>had the Dans on the God of Movies for Mormon Month,

1657
01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:04.000
<v Speaker 12>Dan McClellan, and I can't remember the other Dan's last name,

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01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:09.680
<v Speaker 12>given that Dan McClellan is a professed theist. He believes

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01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:12.399
<v Speaker 12>in a God, but he's separated from the Mormon Church

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01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:13.560
<v Speaker 12>pretty thoroughly.

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01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:15.520
<v Speaker 2>They all dis avow him because he writes books that

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01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:17.119
<v Speaker 2>pissed him off to no end.

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<v Speaker 12>But one of the cliches in the atheist community is,

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01:36:22.159 --> 01:36:23.840
<v Speaker 12>if you want to be an atheist, read the Bible.

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01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:25.920
<v Speaker 12>And a lot of Dan's books and a lot of

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01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:30.119
<v Speaker 12>his videos are about debunking all the theocratic nonsense that

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01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:32.359
<v Speaker 12>the Christians put out in this country, specifically all the

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01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:36.079
<v Speaker 12>stuff that get wrong. Given that he's sort of taking

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01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:38.399
<v Speaker 12>down Christianity from the other side. Meanwhile, we're on the

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01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:41.319
<v Speaker 12>outside and we're just chucking the biggest stones we can

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01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:41.760
<v Speaker 12>at him.

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01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:45.520
<v Speaker 5>But is there sort of a conflict of interest in.

1673
01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Being on the same side with someone liked it?

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01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:49.279
<v Speaker 3>I love Dan.

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01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:51.920
<v Speaker 12>I have his book The Bible, said, so, it's a

1676
01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:55.359
<v Speaker 12>fantastic book. And I bought it from my young nephew

1677
01:36:55.359 --> 01:36:57.279
<v Speaker 12>who had questions about the Bible, and I was just like, listen,

1678
01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:00.159
<v Speaker 12>I don't have the time of the patients, and you

1679
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:02.119
<v Speaker 12>don't know how to read the Bible yet because it's

1680
01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:05.000
<v Speaker 12>got a lot of vows and these, and you're still

1681
01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:09.279
<v Speaker 12>on whatever Nancy Drew is now. So I said, you

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01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:11.640
<v Speaker 12>read this book, and then if you have any more

1683
01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:13.600
<v Speaker 12>questions and you still want to go to church in

1684
01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:16.720
<v Speaker 12>our small town, then you can ask me more questions,

1685
01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:18.000
<v Speaker 12>and I can tell you what I've done for the

1686
01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:21.439
<v Speaker 12>past twenty years of being an atheist. But is there

1687
01:37:21.479 --> 01:37:23.840
<v Speaker 12>a conflict of interests being on the same side as

1688
01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:28.159
<v Speaker 12>someone like Dan McClellan, because he's technically arguing for the

1689
01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:31.079
<v Speaker 12>side of them. He's like, I believe there is a

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01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:34.199
<v Speaker 12>God or a creator, however vague they feel like getting

1691
01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:36.880
<v Speaker 12>at that time of day. But they'll say I believe

1692
01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:40.000
<v Speaker 12>there isn't but religion is being used wrongly. Noah, in

1693
01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:44.039
<v Speaker 12>your book, you say, religion isn't used wrong, religion is wrong.

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01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:47.560
<v Speaker 5>Yes, absolutely.

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01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:49.760
<v Speaker 3>So before we had Dan on the show, I did

1696
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:52.119
<v Speaker 3>a lot of for lack of a better term, soul

1697
01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:55.800
<v Speaker 3>surging about promoting somebody you know on the show that

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01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:00.479
<v Speaker 3>that is is a believer and argue in favor of

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01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:02.600
<v Speaker 3>the Bible. And I think he softens it, right, so

1700
01:38:02.680 --> 01:38:06.079
<v Speaker 3>he makes it a little bit more palatable to progressive people,

1701
01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:10.000
<v Speaker 3>which is ultimately, I think, against our goals. Right. So

1702
01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:11.920
<v Speaker 3>I did a Dio tribe a long time ago about

1703
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:16.920
<v Speaker 3>the progressive Christian who thinks that they can move Christianity

1704
01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:19.920
<v Speaker 3>beyond it's big a try or beyond whatever is holding

1705
01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:20.279
<v Speaker 3>it back.

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01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:23.279
<v Speaker 5>And I likened that to picking up the anchor and

1707
01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:24.439
<v Speaker 5>moving it a little bit further.

1708
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.039
<v Speaker 3>But you're still anchored, right, You're still anchored to this

1709
01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:32.000
<v Speaker 3>old book that is, you know, morally reprehensible and this

1710
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:35.880
<v Speaker 3>religion that you know, people seem to think that there's

1711
01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:38.600
<v Speaker 3>some way of doing it that will be beneficial to

1712
01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:41.319
<v Speaker 3>the world, but nobody's figured that out in two thousand years, right,

1713
01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:44.119
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I get where you're where you're coming from.

1714
01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:47.399
<v Speaker 3>And ultimately what I've the way I justified it in

1715
01:38:47.479 --> 01:38:49.039
<v Speaker 3>my own mind is that I know that Dan has

1716
01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:52.119
<v Speaker 3>a pretty substantial audience, and my hope is that people

1717
01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:56.319
<v Speaker 3>who are listening to Dan explain the Bible who are

1718
01:38:56.399 --> 01:38:59.520
<v Speaker 3>not yet atheists are really primed for it. So I

1719
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:01.720
<v Speaker 3>want to, you know, wanted to try to help pull

1720
01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:05.079
<v Speaker 3>some more of their audience in towards us. But yes,

1721
01:39:05.359 --> 01:39:07.119
<v Speaker 3>definitely always conflicted about that aspect.

1722
01:39:07.159 --> 01:39:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Though it is a little frustrating to see, and I

1723
01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:12.239
<v Speaker 2>appreciate their values, but we're seeing a lot of this

1724
01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>like James Tallerico down in Texas, who's like, my Jesus

1725
01:39:16.039 --> 01:39:18.640
<v Speaker 2>would never judge gay people, and my Jesus would never

1726
01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:20.960
<v Speaker 2>send anybody to hell, and my Jesus is the God

1727
01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:27.199
<v Speaker 2>of love. And I appreciate the sentiment behind it. Pastor

1728
01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:31.920
<v Speaker 2>or he's a minister, I think John Pavlobitt. He continues

1729
01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.159
<v Speaker 2>to talk about how Jesus never ever condemned gay people,

1730
01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate the sentiment. But have you read your

1731
01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Old and New Testament, right, I mean I had. I'm

1732
01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:48.359
<v Speaker 2>literally this chapter in verse about stone to death and

1733
01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>they will not achieve heaven and they're an abomination and

1734
01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:54.479
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. And so I find that they've made

1735
01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:57.079
<v Speaker 2>a God almost in their own image. And it's hard

1736
01:39:57.119 --> 01:39:59.199
<v Speaker 2>to know what to do because you appreciate the humanism

1737
01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:03.319
<v Speaker 2>behind their o motive. But I mean, are are they

1738
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:06.079
<v Speaker 2>are not really selling biblical Christianity, are they?

1739
01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, interestingly enough so the book that you

1740
01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:11.640
<v Speaker 3>mentioned the Bible says, So Dan tackles that question, and

1741
01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:14.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, does the Bible condemn gay people? And it

1742
01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:17.000
<v Speaker 3>comes very forcefully on the side that yes, it absolutely does.

1743
01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:21.079
<v Speaker 3>So he is defending a form of Christianity that, you know,

1744
01:40:21.159 --> 01:40:24.399
<v Speaker 3>steps far enough away from the Bible to I guess

1745
01:40:24.640 --> 01:40:28.439
<v Speaker 3>ignore that or or forgive that or but there's a

1746
01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:30.399
<v Speaker 3>point where you're ste If you're stepping away from the

1747
01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:33.720
<v Speaker 3>foundational documentation of your religion, then what are you stepping into,

1748
01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:37.199
<v Speaker 3>right if not atheism? So he's at least honest about

1749
01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:40.119
<v Speaker 3>what the Bible says in that sense, But I've never

1750
01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:43.000
<v Speaker 3>heard him address the Well, then how do you justify

1751
01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:47.560
<v Speaker 3>using this book as the foundation of your religion concept.

1752
01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Joyce Smeier, the evangelist, is coming to my town next month.

1753
01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Joyce Smyer, who has made millions of dollars as an evangelist.

1754
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:02.680
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not going to do it, but I am.

1755
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:07.479
<v Speaker 2>I fantasize about standing in front of the parking lot

1756
01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:11.279
<v Speaker 2>where people are pulling in with the placard reading two

1757
01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Timothy that says, I do not permit a woman to

1758
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>teach or have authority over a man. She must be silent,

1759
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Joyce Meyer, must be silent in the churches. I fantasize

1760
01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:34.000
<v Speaker 2>about it, Joyce Meier. Protest. Let's see was there anybody

1761
01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:38.479
<v Speaker 2>else I've done one on the front I want to do.

1762
01:41:40.039 --> 01:41:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's do this. Where are you John, Let's do this,

1763
01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:47.920
<v Speaker 2>gentleman in blue, and then we'll do the the person behind.

1764
01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:51.600
<v Speaker 6>All right, So you guys came here for the arc

1765
01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:57.720
<v Speaker 6>encounter protest much appreciated. While you're in town, I think

1766
01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:00.479
<v Speaker 6>either of you will make a pilgrim. Pilgrim a little

1767
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:04.319
<v Speaker 6>ways up north to see what's become of Big Butter Jesus.

1768
01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:11.479
<v Speaker 6>What you know about Big Butter Jesus.

1769
01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:16.439
<v Speaker 2>No, he's wait wait, wait, what is what?

1770
01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:20.640
<v Speaker 5>To go up to Interstate seventy five?

1771
01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:24.520
<v Speaker 3>What maybe thirty ish miles up north?

1772
01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:25.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

1773
01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the Solid Rock Church.

1774
01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:34.000
<v Speaker 6>They have a sixty foot tall Jesus statue standing by

1775
01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:36.439
<v Speaker 6>the side of a lake, reaching out to hug the

1776
01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:40.079
<v Speaker 6>passers by the original one burned down after it was

1777
01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:41.000
<v Speaker 6>struck by lightning.

1778
01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:45.039
<v Speaker 2>I remember that, I remember that, Yeah, yeah, that was

1779
01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:47.680
<v Speaker 2>touchdown Jesus's called a touchdown Jesus.

1780
01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:50.680
<v Speaker 6>Touchdown Jesus or big butter Jesus. Now you think he's

1781
01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:56.079
<v Speaker 6>zombie Jesus, five dollars foot long Jesus. Hugby Jesus.

1782
01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:00.720
<v Speaker 3>You go, He's a lord of many names. We recently

1783
01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:03.119
<v Speaker 3>talked about that on the show, and I didn't realize

1784
01:43:03.159 --> 01:43:03.560
<v Speaker 3>we were that.

1785
01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Close to it.

1786
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:06.239
<v Speaker 6>You got to see it while you're here.

1787
01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:12.000
<v Speaker 2>The Lord works in mysterious Well, there was a young

1788
01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:14.560
<v Speaker 2>was there a young lady behind you? And then I

1789
01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:16.000
<v Speaker 2>promise I'll come back to use it.

1790
01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:21.359
<v Speaker 13>I think that any belief could be interpreted by like,

1791
01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:23.760
<v Speaker 13>depending on your perspective coming at it. I think any

1792
01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:26.600
<v Speaker 13>belief could be or lack thereof could be interpreted as

1793
01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:28.079
<v Speaker 13>a product of indoctrination.

1794
01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:31.600
<v Speaker 2>So how do you how do you.

1795
01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:38.960
<v Speaker 13>To individually perceive things in a way that like the

1796
01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:42.319
<v Speaker 13>difference between incorrect information and correct information? How do you

1797
01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:44.720
<v Speaker 13>distinguish between the two, And how do you think that

1798
01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:47.279
<v Speaker 13>we as a society could distinguish between the two as

1799
01:43:47.399 --> 01:43:51.399
<v Speaker 13>people who are amateurs and not like professionals on certain topics,

1800
01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:55.279
<v Speaker 13>how could we maybe understand what is true and what is.

1801
01:43:55.399 --> 01:44:02.199
<v Speaker 3>Untrue, explain epistemology. So that's what science is, right, Sciences

1802
01:44:02.520 --> 01:44:06.359
<v Speaker 3>is the method by which we determine that which is true.

1803
01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:10.560
<v Speaker 3>So we can't be experts on all the sciences, all

1804
01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:12.960
<v Speaker 3>the sciences. Rather, so the best we can do is,

1805
01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:16.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, unless we want to develop our own expertise,

1806
01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:21.920
<v Speaker 3>is to trust in the consensus of scientists. Right And luckily,

1807
01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:24.920
<v Speaker 3>for almost every question that we have, there is a

1808
01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:29.479
<v Speaker 3>consensus among scientists. And for those ones where we don't

1809
01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:31.560
<v Speaker 3>have an answer or where we don't have a consensus,

1810
01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:35.239
<v Speaker 3>it's okay to not know too. But when it comes

1811
01:44:35.279 --> 01:44:37.119
<v Speaker 3>to just you know, like how do you know that

1812
01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:41.239
<v Speaker 3>you're following the right beliefs versus being indoctrinated into a

1813
01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:44.159
<v Speaker 3>set of beliefs, I think it's far easier for Seth

1814
01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:48.159
<v Speaker 3>and I to make that determination because nobody, no organization,

1815
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:51.239
<v Speaker 3>no institution was trying to push us into this in

1816
01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:54.159
<v Speaker 3>this direction right. In fact, they were pushing us quite

1817
01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:57.920
<v Speaker 3>the opposite direction. So you know, it's it's hard to

1818
01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:00.680
<v Speaker 3>be indoctrinated, you know, And if there's not an doctor Nader,

1819
01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:04.000
<v Speaker 3>but I think, you know proper pistemology and science that

1820
01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:05.159
<v Speaker 3>it works.

1821
01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:07.960
<v Speaker 2>You know the difference I think too between I was

1822
01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:10.159
<v Speaker 2>taught what to think, I wasn't ever trained how to

1823
01:45:10.239 --> 01:45:13.760
<v Speaker 2>think right and the training of the mind to think right.

1824
01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Science is not a book with a bunch of facts.

1825
01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Science is a process. We can all be scientists. And

1826
01:45:19.319 --> 01:45:21.680
<v Speaker 2>I remember I didn't I knew of Carl Sagan, but

1827
01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really fall in love with the voice of

1828
01:45:23.239 --> 01:45:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Sagan the long after he had died, and I remember thinking, whoa,

1829
01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:28.520
<v Speaker 2>you know science? We were all doing science every day

1830
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:35.319
<v Speaker 2>to some degree. We have this imperfect solution of the

1831
01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:38.520
<v Speaker 2>experts peer reviewing the experts and then they have to

1832
01:45:38.600 --> 01:45:42.399
<v Speaker 2>course correct and whatnot. But I will say that I

1833
01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:45.600
<v Speaker 2>have a whole new respect for experts in their field,

1834
01:45:45.680 --> 01:45:50.319
<v Speaker 2>genuine trained scientists, reputable, credible scientist in an era when

1835
01:45:51.319 --> 01:45:54.960
<v Speaker 2>our Department of Education has never one day taught in

1836
01:45:55.079 --> 01:46:02.199
<v Speaker 2>a classroom and ran a world wrestling federation. When the

1837
01:46:02.279 --> 01:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>guy running the department at Homeland Security is a plumber, right,

1838
01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean we are. When the guy running the health

1839
01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:13.800
<v Speaker 2>department has no health credentials whatsoever.

1840
01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:17.359
<v Speaker 5>He's a negative health predict. Swings in suit.

1841
01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:22.920
<v Speaker 2>There's a war on expertise, and I have become I

1842
01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>just saw that Neil Schubman was just elected to head

1843
01:46:26.039 --> 01:46:28.520
<v Speaker 2>up the National Academy of Sciences, and I was cheering

1844
01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:32.960
<v Speaker 2>at my computer. But you know, it's imperfect, because people

1845
01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:35.119
<v Speaker 2>are imperfect. But I think the training of the mind,

1846
01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:40.920
<v Speaker 2>learning to watch scientists who are checking each other, who

1847
01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:44.319
<v Speaker 2>watches the watchers. It's a far from perfect system, but

1848
01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:46.479
<v Speaker 2>it's sure a lot better than you know, going out

1849
01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:50.479
<v Speaker 2>and having some homeopath on TikTok tell us to sit

1850
01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:53.399
<v Speaker 2>on the floor and each shark cartilage and align our

1851
01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:58.359
<v Speaker 2>energy meridians, you know, with no qualifications whatsoever. I don't

1852
01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:00.279
<v Speaker 2>know if that remotely answers your question. I want to

1853
01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.800
<v Speaker 2>do there? Did you have a question. I promise I

1854
01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:06.920
<v Speaker 2>would come back to you before we moved on. I

1855
01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:09.279
<v Speaker 2>want to be true to my word. And then I'm

1856
01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:11.600
<v Speaker 2>not being rude. I don't have a clock in the back,

1857
01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:14.359
<v Speaker 2>so I'm checking my watch. By the way, I want

1858
01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:17.279
<v Speaker 2>to say thank you to Morgan, who is our audio

1859
01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:21.359
<v Speaker 2>video person today. It's funny when you do av correctly.

1860
01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>No one knows you exist, but I see you. Morgan.

1861
01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Everyone please a round of applause.

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<v Speaker 3>For Morgan and if anybody's curious, that's not my Morgan.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a different Morgan that does av so smooth.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's been smooth. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, you've both of you have been doing this for

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<v Speaker 7>a while. I was wondering if you would share the

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<v Speaker 7>silliest argument that you ever been given for the existence

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<v Speaker 7>of God.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the silliest are giment we've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I've got a great one.

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01:48:03.039 --> 01:48:07.359
<v Speaker 3>So early on a listener reached out to me with

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<v Speaker 3>us when we'd only been doing maybe fifty sixty episodes

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<v Speaker 3>at that point, which now seems very early on, and

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<v Speaker 3>he asked, you know, his question was about novel arguments

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01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.880
<v Speaker 3>and how you handle an argument you've never heard before.

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<v Speaker 3>But the example he gave was incredible. It was and

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<v Speaker 3>apparently this is a well known argument amongst some really

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<v Speaker 3>desperate apologists. It's the pro thrumbrin pro thumbing.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't remember the ny of it. There's a protein,

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01:48:37.359 --> 01:48:38.479
<v Speaker 5>there's a protein.

1881
01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:41.680
<v Speaker 3>That your body produces that the production is at its

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<v Speaker 3>peak at the exact time that the Bible tells you

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01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:51.439
<v Speaker 3>to get circumcised, right, and so the so some people

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01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:54.079
<v Speaker 3>have gone in and said oh you know that that

1885
01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:59.319
<v Speaker 3>chemical It helps in reducing pain, perception or something. So

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01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:02.000
<v Speaker 3>God and his wisdom made it peak at the exact

1887
01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:03.760
<v Speaker 3>same time he wanted you.

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01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:05.119
<v Speaker 5>To lop piece of your dick off.

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01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:09.920
<v Speaker 3>And I just, first of all, that's not true, right,

1890
01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:12.039
<v Speaker 3>Like the argument like when you actually talk to someone

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<v Speaker 3>who knows what they're talking about, that's it's not They

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01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:15.760
<v Speaker 3>don't even have the peak production correct.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing about it is true or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>But my point on it to the listener that wrote

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<v Speaker 3>to me was like, so, so what if when you

1896
01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:27.600
<v Speaker 3>presented with an argument like that, then you have to

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01:49:27.640 --> 01:49:29.840
<v Speaker 3>ask that person. Okay, So if I were able to

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<v Speaker 3>show you that pro Thumbren or whatever the hell it's called,

1899
01:49:33.079 --> 01:49:37.399
<v Speaker 3>actually peaked four days earlier, would you stop believing in God?

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01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Because if not, then why the hell do you think

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01:49:43.159 --> 01:49:44.199
<v Speaker 3>this would convince me?

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<v Speaker 9>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Why would the opposite be convincing. I don't think I've

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01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:51.560
<v Speaker 3>come across one stupider than that. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The one that sticks in my head is not specifically

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01:49:56.920 --> 01:50:00.239
<v Speaker 2>about God. It has to do with Noah's arct get

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01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:06.960
<v Speaker 2>the YouTuber's name, but he had a video proving that

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01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the moon was proof the global flood happened during the

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01:50:12.039 --> 01:50:16.720
<v Speaker 2>time of Noah. He said, he said, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that the craters in the moon were created

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01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:30.760
<v Speaker 2>when the water splashing through the firmament flooding the Earth.

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01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:35.199
<v Speaker 2>They littered the waves splashed up so far that the

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<v Speaker 2>water went into the cosmos, turned to ice and traveled

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to the moon and created all the

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<v Speaker 2>craters of the moon.

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<v Speaker 5>Why are there craters on the other side?

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<v Speaker 2>Then I ask Erica gots It Gibbon about this, and

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01:50:50.439 --> 01:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>she said, oh, I've heard this argument. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>name for it. We call it lunar bukake. More prizes

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01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:08.399
<v Speaker 2>and more great interaction from our Cincinnati audience. The audio

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<v Speaker 2>of the event on July eleventh continues. Next, let's give

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01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:21.319
<v Speaker 2>away some free crap real quick.

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<v Speaker 8>That we.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, everybody gets your raffle tickets out, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll finish with a little more time together and uh

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01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:38.279
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully we'll we'll we'll all be there. So grab

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<v Speaker 2>you a number, John.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we got three, five, seven, two.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we've got someone. Now I don't have a slide

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01:51:50.159 --> 01:51:52.439
<v Speaker 2>for this one. Fortunately it's big enough. No, I'm gonna

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01:51:52.479 --> 01:51:56.520
<v Speaker 2>have you take an edge if you are looking to

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<v Speaker 2>be comfortable and commune with the devil. Come on, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>take a picture. This is a primo moment if anybody

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<v Speaker 2>wants to sleep with Miss McConnell, come on up here,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, stand next to NOA. Somebody take a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of this. Okay, I got to jump in here. It

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01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:23.079
<v Speaker 2>just occurred to me. You cannot see a Ouiji board blanket.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like an eight x ten piece

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<v Speaker 2>of fabric that was a Ouiji board. So that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you're that's what you're missing. And congratulations to you. What's

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<v Speaker 2>your first name, Laura?

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<v Speaker 8>Laura?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. Laura. All right, and because we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the zone of comfort, let's do one more. Give

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<v Speaker 2>me a number. John.

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<v Speaker 3>If it had been the person next to Laura, that

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<v Speaker 3>would have been hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye, we have someone, well, yell out, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Glenn?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Glenn? I know everybody needs respite in these stressful days.

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<v Speaker 2>You've heard of a neck pillow. Today you have won

1952
01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:10.079
<v Speaker 2>a necronomicon pillow. That's right. Every day you can sit

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01:53:10.239 --> 01:53:13.560
<v Speaker 2>back and rest upon the Book of the dead. So

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations to you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is zero street four four five four four, Oh,

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01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:26.319
<v Speaker 3>it's April.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to come up if you don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your first name?

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01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's April, Well April.

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<v Speaker 2>It's serendipitous that this prize ties into a few of

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<v Speaker 2>the conversations that we have been having, and we would

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<v Speaker 2>like to give you some inspiration to take with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Signed by Noah and myself. It is the Kinham Daily Devotional.

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<v Speaker 3>Right here, just wherever, right by his face, just right

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<v Speaker 3>next to his face, so I had to inscribe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yours in Christ, give me another one. Brother, We've got

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<v Speaker 2>looks like three left, and then we'll fellowship in the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord for a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>Good Altar Coombe are exert.

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<v Speaker 14>More.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we've got somebody in the back. Wonderful. Well, this

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01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:41.800
<v Speaker 2>is a very special special prize. I heard about this

1973
01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:47.439
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago. Someone took the stories of the

1974
01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Bible and accurate, accurate descripture depicted those stories using legos.

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<v Speaker 2>It is known as the Brick Testament or also the

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01:55:03.479 --> 01:55:07.840
<v Speaker 2>brick Bible. I don't know if you want this signed

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01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:09.359
<v Speaker 2>or not. Do you want it? You want to? Do

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01:55:09.359 --> 01:55:13.680
<v Speaker 2>you want us to I'll tell you what. Uh, let

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01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>me grab you after the show, will grab Jesus John. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a movie I'm gonna show you a couple

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01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>of slides some images from the Brick Bible for you,

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01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and I think you're gonna just love it. Wonderful. What

1983
01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:57.319
<v Speaker 2>was your first name? Mary? Mary? I'm so glad I'm

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01:55:57.359 --> 01:55:59.159
<v Speaker 2>not the only one here with a biblical name, So

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01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:02.399
<v Speaker 2>between you and me and Noah and John were covered.

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<v Speaker 3>And I named Mary because my birthday is the Immaculate

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<v Speaker 3>Conception day.

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<v Speaker 2>Your birthday is the day of the Immaculate Conception. Catholic,

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic for Catholic. Wow, I thought I felt the Catholic

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01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:18.279
<v Speaker 2>guilt on you when you walked up here. I thought

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01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I felt the congratulations to you. Okay, I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to come over here and set this up using my laptop,

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01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:25.520
<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to show you a few of the

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<v Speaker 2>images from the Brick Testament. Now, I think this is

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01:56:31.680 --> 01:56:36.920
<v Speaker 2>an amazing deconstruction tool because when you see these stories

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<v Speaker 2>in the format we're used to the oil paintings and

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01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:44.720
<v Speaker 2>we hear them told at Sunday School, we don't really

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<v Speaker 2>think about it that much, but when you see the

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<v Speaker 2>stories depicted with toys, it draws a circle around how

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<v Speaker 2>wacky this stuff really is. So from the Book of Genesis,

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<v Speaker 2>we have Adam and Eve in the garden after they

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01:56:58.159 --> 01:57:08.479
<v Speaker 2>experienced the shame of their got very angry. Yahweh. In

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01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:11.199
<v Speaker 2>the background, we've got a little eve cleavage coming out

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<v Speaker 2>over the Genesis Chapter thirty two, Jacob wrussels with God.

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<v Speaker 2>God's doing some kind of move on him. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, you can't talk about the Old Testament without

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01:57:27.439 --> 01:57:31.159
<v Speaker 2>talking about Noah's ark, complete with a dinosaur coming out

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01:57:31.239 --> 01:57:38.199
<v Speaker 2>of the top. And after they loaded the boat, then

2009
01:57:38.279 --> 01:57:49.720
<v Speaker 2>the rains came and they were all, it drives it home,

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01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:54.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't I mean, just you see it, you actually see it. Exodus,

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01:57:54.920 --> 01:57:57.680
<v Speaker 2>chapter three, God appears to Moses in the form of

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01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:02.920
<v Speaker 2>a burning bush. Now this is my favorite part of

2013
01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the Brick Bible. So you know the story about King

2014
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<v Speaker 2>Saul telling David, all right, if you want my daughter's

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01:58:10.119 --> 01:58:12.800
<v Speaker 2>hand in marriage, you got to go into battle and

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01:58:12.920 --> 01:58:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you've got to slice off the foreskins of one hundred Philistines.

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<v Speaker 2>David says, fine, I'm not going to just give you

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred. I'm gonna do two hundred Philistine foreskins. And

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<v Speaker 2>we see it in Lego. And if it wasn't enough

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01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:35.560
<v Speaker 2>to see the chop we get to see him counting

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01:58:35.640 --> 01:58:48.880
<v Speaker 2>them out in Saul's kingdom, a bucket of lego foreskins.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just amazing, the wise men at the manger of

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01:58:57.079 --> 01:59:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Jesus presenting their gifts. Of course, we cannot skip the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible's fixation with the penis crossing into the New Testament,

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01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:10.840
<v Speaker 2>so we have to include the account in Luke chapter

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<v Speaker 2>two about the circumcision of Jesus. Got a little lego

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<v Speaker 2>knife on the baby. There. We've got the Jesus Last

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<v Speaker 2>Supper Lego. We've got the crucifixion in legos alongside the

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01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:29.600
<v Speaker 2>two thieves. Oh, you don't want to be the unsaved

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<v Speaker 2>burning in hell hell fire legos. And of course we've

2031
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<v Speaker 2>got the Holy Trinity, where the Holy Ghost is a

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01:59:49.439 --> 01:59:55.079
<v Speaker 2>literal ghost. I mean, it's beautiful. Draw me another number, John.

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<v Speaker 3>Eight two.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero two three five eight two. Do I have someone?

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<v Speaker 2>I have someone here? What's your first name? Brad? Brad.

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<v Speaker 2>We all need to be able to have recreational time

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<v Speaker 2>with our loved ones. Sometimes that includes board games. Many

2038
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<v Speaker 2>of us love board games. You've heard of the classic

2039
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<v Speaker 2>game Monopoly. Now you can play Bibleopoly, the Bible based game.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna throw our signatures right here on the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see. Do I want to be over Nazareth, Bethlehem,

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<v Speaker 2>the Angel. I'm just gonna go here on the left.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm asking for it, going to Jerusalem.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, what's the most what's the most the most expensive space?

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<v Speaker 2>Believe it's Jerusalem, It's Joel Ostein's house. It's right here

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<v Speaker 2>on the corn. And the final prize that I have

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<v Speaker 2>for you today, we will draw a number four and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see how this one goes over. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>may have saved the best, the most for me, the

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<v Speaker 2>most satisfying for last. Go ahead, zero three six, zero three,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, wonderful. What's your first name?

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<v Speaker 3>Sky?

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<v Speaker 2>Sky? Sometimes in perilous moments, a moment of fantasy can

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<v Speaker 2>help us deal. Sometimes those moments can be depicted using toys, figurines,

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02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:46.359
<v Speaker 2>action figures. I present to you, ladies and gentlemen, the

2056
02:01:46.479 --> 02:02:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump in prison action figures. Oh you want to society? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>forgive me my parents and full see this one. You

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<v Speaker 2>want it on the front where you want it?

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<v Speaker 8>That's what.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I gonna mess up? You're showing it to your

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<v Speaker 3>parents if I put Trump on her?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, dad, I got this nice picture at home

2063
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<v Speaker 2>that has Jeffrey Epstein and Trump right next to each other,

2064
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<v Speaker 2>and a flaster just on my dad to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I am surrounded by devout, evangelical Bible banging

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<v Speaker 2>moralists loved Trump. I had. I had lunch with someone

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<v Speaker 2>who was on my extended family and I said this.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I want you to name one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best teachings of Jesus or in the Bible that's reflected

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<v Speaker 2>in Trump. And she blinked she couldn't. I mean, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>are the meek turn the other cheek? Pride goes before

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<v Speaker 2>the fall, don't love money, don't lust, don't commit adult tree. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you've done to the least of these, you've done

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<v Speaker 2>it done to me. It's easier for a camel to

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<v Speaker 2>go through the eye of a needle than the rich

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<v Speaker 2>man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Sell all you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't give to the poor and follow me. Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I just went through verse verse verse again,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing the Bible better than she did, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>give me one, give me one christ like attribute in

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<v Speaker 2>this man. And she couldn't. But she didn't change her

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<v Speaker 2>mind on it. He's still awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because the other way too. If he's like, is

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<v Speaker 3>there anything that Trump said don't do that he hasn't done?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, he goes both ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think some of it has to do with

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<v Speaker 2>there's a culture of people that believe that, well, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you got to break some eggs to make the omlet.

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<v Speaker 2>We need a strong man who can come and burn

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<v Speaker 2>it down so we can rebuild it in God's image.

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<v Speaker 2>He's I think he speaks to a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>embedded bigotries that a lot of people they were in

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<v Speaker 2>the shadows, but now they're way comfortable in the light.

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<v Speaker 2>We've learned a lot. Have you guys felt that We've

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<v Speaker 2>learned a lot about our friends and relatives like stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so naive, but I was shocked. He does

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<v Speaker 2>something cruel and horrible and it looks like they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like it, And I don't know, where have you

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<v Speaker 2>have you cut people out of your life over that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like do you draw that line and say I'm done

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<v Speaker 2>with you?

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<v Speaker 3>I think much in the same way that I got

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<v Speaker 3>my dad to stop talking about religion to me by

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<v Speaker 3>being better at arguing with me, I've scared off all

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<v Speaker 3>of the people who would talk about Trump to me?

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<v Speaker 5>Once again, I do this for a living, and they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>People go on your channel. This is what I hear.

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<v Speaker 2>You're great when you talk religion, but I hate it

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<v Speaker 2>when you talk about politics, And I'm like, these two

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02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:55.279
<v Speaker 2>have been in bed with each other for How do

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<v Speaker 2>you extricate politics and religion in this climate?

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<v Speaker 12>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I mean especially when you look at you know,

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<v Speaker 3>where Trump's supports coming from. Right, Like, it would be

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<v Speaker 3>impossible not to address the hypocrisy that you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>The least christ Like person to ever run for office

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<v Speaker 3>on a major party ticket is the candidate of Christ here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Did you see him reference the Islamic Republic of Japan?

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<v Speaker 8>The other.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not the lesser known republics from Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I want a big Biden fan, But if

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<v Speaker 2>Biden had pulled at one one thousandth of this shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I'm saying, Fox News would have

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02:05:34.640 --> 02:05:39.000
<v Speaker 2>spontaneously combusted Biden. This blows my mind. Was there anybody

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<v Speaker 2>else who had a contribution, who wanted to speak? I

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<v Speaker 2>see a hand on the back row to my right.

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<v Speaker 3>Is far from Johns can be? Wow, get your ten

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02:05:51.560 --> 02:05:53.199
<v Speaker 3>thousand steps today, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Dan.

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<v Speaker 14>I want to thank you guys for uh everything that

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02:06:00.960 --> 02:06:03.439
<v Speaker 14>you do. I've been a supporter for a long time,

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<v Speaker 14>been listener for well over ten years and appreciate everything. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 14>I'm a little nervous, Seth. I sent you an email

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<v Speaker 14>a couple of weeks ago about the guy using a

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<v Speaker 14>guillotine to slice the chocolate vein off of his candy bar.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, no, no, no, it's it's a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>invented a three D printed Yeah, I think he.

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<v Speaker 14>I think he three D printed it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it slices the veins off of a Snickers bar.

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<v Speaker 14>Because they're too suggestive of a vein on something else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was. It was too phallic for the Christians

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02:06:53.000 --> 02:06:56.439
<v Speaker 3>that really wanted us Snickers but were too homophobic to

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<v Speaker 3>eat one. But well, you know, you got to figure like,

2146
02:07:06.760 --> 02:07:09.079
<v Speaker 3>because I've eaten a lot of Snickers in my life

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<v Speaker 3>and I've never been like, oh it's a cock.

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<v Speaker 14>But my question both of you, you guys are obviously

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<v Speaker 14>rock stars in this community. How do you stay grounded?

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<v Speaker 14>How do you not get full of yourself, let your

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02:07:29.479 --> 02:07:31.560
<v Speaker 14>ego get carried away or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I've got Lucinda to keep me in line.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>our partners, my wife's she's her. Oh my bullshit, you

2155
02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:48.239
<v Speaker 2>know she And you know, it's funny in some ways,

2156
02:07:50.439 --> 02:07:53.479
<v Speaker 2>you're getting the edited for broadcast version, right, You're getting

2157
02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:59.319
<v Speaker 2>the you're getting the airbrush. You know, you don't. We're

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02:07:59.439 --> 02:08:02.520
<v Speaker 2>just people. Were no more important than anybody else where.

2159
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<v Speaker 2>We don't have We're not wiser necessarily anybody else. And

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<v Speaker 2>it can be intoxicating. I came out of FM radio

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a ton of ego and radio and these

2162
02:08:14.880 --> 02:08:17.000
<v Speaker 2>guys were walking around and they were you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>and it's easy to happen. But I'll tell you, I've

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<v Speaker 2>made it an exercise to remember that nobody, nobody is

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<v Speaker 2>obligated to bring me into their lives, like no one.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet they did, you know, no, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to give me the time of day. They didn't they could.

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<v Speaker 2>They were a squil. There were like five hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>active podcasts in the world right now. They don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to me, and yet they did. They don't

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02:08:45.439 --> 02:08:47.119
<v Speaker 2>have to call, they don't have to send an email,

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02:08:47.319 --> 02:08:49.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, sharing their story. They don't have to come

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<v Speaker 2>out and hug me on the road and introduce me

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<v Speaker 2>to their family. And yet they do, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>it just blows my mind, and it's it's tramid, sounds

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02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:00.600
<v Speaker 2>like a freaking I swear it sounds like a card,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's tremendously humbling when people have opened their lives

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<v Speaker 2>and their hearts to you, and it is for me

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02:09:08.520 --> 02:09:11.359
<v Speaker 2>every day. I'm just blown away that I get to

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<v Speaker 2>do what I care about. But I also am connected

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<v Speaker 2>to a family that I'm not getting, a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>family that I haven't gotten in my immediate biological family tree,

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<v Speaker 2>because as I've learned, sometimes your family is the family

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<v Speaker 2>you choose, and your family is the family that chooses you.

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<v Speaker 2>And it has filled up my heart and ways that

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even describe. So if you will, my friends,

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02:09:40.600 --> 02:09:41.720
<v Speaker 2>you complete me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wanted to add to that, you know, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>Ian Dan, Sorry. So I also wanted to point out,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Dan, you ask how we keep ourself humble?

2191
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<v Speaker 2>Y'all do that for us?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? So unlike a religious organization or something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't. You don't have the same type of hero

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02:10:11.079 --> 02:10:12.800
<v Speaker 3>worship that I think you get in a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>other places. Because we encourage our listeners and our our

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<v Speaker 3>viewers and our followers to call us out when we

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<v Speaker 3>get things wrong. And so when I you know, I

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02:10:21.920 --> 02:10:25.520
<v Speaker 3>am strategically incorrect. From time to time, I'll intentionally put

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes into my show to see if anybody notices so clever,

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<v Speaker 3>so clever, yes and so. And when I do that,

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<v Speaker 3>people will very quickly show up to say, you got

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<v Speaker 3>that wrong, you know, and they'll explain to me why

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02:10:38.680 --> 02:10:40.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, how it's wrong and why it's wrong. And

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<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of very smart people that listen

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<v Speaker 3>to our shows, and so you know, we we we

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02:10:44.600 --> 02:10:48.479
<v Speaker 3>get educated very quickly. So you know, if you're looking

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<v Speaker 3>for humility in this business, just say anything incorrect one

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02:10:52.439 --> 02:10:56.239
<v Speaker 3>damn time, and this our audience will provide plenty of it.

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<v Speaker 2>When I post a video or podcast, I don't follow

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<v Speaker 2>comments because it's literally a black hole that you'll never

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<v Speaker 2>get out of for a long term. But for the

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<v Speaker 2>first two days I'm hyper focused because if there's an

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<v Speaker 2>error I need to know about it. They'll find it

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<v Speaker 2>within the first forty eight hours, usually within the first

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<v Speaker 2>twelve here. But there's also jaw dropping pedantry going. So

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<v Speaker 2>I did a piece on flat earthers. Can you believe

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<v Speaker 2>there are people in this world who think the Earth

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<v Speaker 2>is a disk? It just blows my mind. Okay, I

2219
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<v Speaker 2>was saying, these people when so much of the evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>the overwhelming preponderance of evidence, tells us the Earth is round.

2221
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<v Speaker 2>And immediately, yes, immediately I get emails saying it's not round,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's an oblet spheral, which.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, is round. What blows me away is

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<v Speaker 3>how many people will send in a correction without checking

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02:11:55.319 --> 02:11:58.640
<v Speaker 3>to see if they were right first. Right, It would

2226
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<v Speaker 3>be like, actually, that's not what that word means. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>did you look at a dictionary first before you said this?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you just that full of yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>People in the skeptic community are sharing things that they

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<v Speaker 2>are not vetting that are demonstrably wrong. There was one

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02:12:12.720 --> 02:12:16.479
<v Speaker 2>going out recently about Share who had called out Carolyn

2232
02:12:16.600 --> 02:12:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Levitt for something and humiliated her, and yeah, I love Share. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Share is a legend, right, There's no doubt Share never

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02:12:23.319 --> 02:12:25.319
<v Speaker 2>said the thing that they said she shared. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>popular Donald Trump thing that's been going around a quote

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<v Speaker 2>attributed to I think the nineteen nineties where he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I ever run for politics. I'll run

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02:12:33.960 --> 02:12:38.039
<v Speaker 2>as a Republican because the Republicans are the stupidest party. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like something he would have said. Trump never

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<v Speaker 2>said it, and yet it speaks to where we're at it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're outraged about him. He's just he's such garbage attitudes

2242
02:12:51.600 --> 02:12:53.720
<v Speaker 2>about the world, and so we lean into those and

2243
02:12:53.840 --> 02:12:56.960
<v Speaker 2>hit clicked like share like share, like share, And sometimes

2244
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<v Speaker 2>when I correct the record and say this never happened,

2245
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<v Speaker 2>will get mad at me. When did When did not

2246
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<v Speaker 2>being correct become the problem?

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<v Speaker 8>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>We need to be creatures of the truth, and and

2249
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<v Speaker 2>we're all emotional bags of animated meat. We're all higher primates,

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<v Speaker 2>we are all susceptible. And it's going to be harder

2251
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<v Speaker 2>and harder in the world of deep fakes and AI

2252
02:13:20.439 --> 02:13:24.319
<v Speaker 2>and what happens when somebody, you know, somebody goes after

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<v Speaker 2>you and they make a piece of media that makes

2254
02:13:26.680 --> 02:13:28.479
<v Speaker 2>you say and do whatever they decided, do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to You'll spend the rest of your life trying to

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<v Speaker 2>debunk it. It's it's a crazy world.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, No, I have Eli Bosnik as a co host.

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<v Speaker 5>I think about that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it true that he went out on one of

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<v Speaker 2>your gam shows wearing a it was it a diaper

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<v Speaker 2>or a thong or all of.

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<v Speaker 3>The gam showshows. Yeah, it's funny. It all started the

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<v Speaker 3>very first time we did a show. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know so the way it's it was he the

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<v Speaker 3>very first time we did a live show. He said, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I've got this funny bit. What if I come out

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<v Speaker 3>in my underwear and then You'll be like, do what

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<v Speaker 3>are you doing? And I'll say, oh, you just said

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<v Speaker 3>to address Wow, I normally dress for a record, And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, I wouldn't ask you to do that,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you're offering that's funny as hell. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I think now he's gotten in his mind that nobody

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<v Speaker 3>really would be happy coming to a live show if

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't see his butt cheeks, and I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>have the heart to tell him that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a show you do, you don't do before dinner,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently not a dinner and a show show. Probably not

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<v Speaker 2>here in our final few minutes together, I want you

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<v Speaker 2>guys to be fully aware of a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that Noah is a part of. God Awful Movies

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<v Speaker 2>is a remarkable achievement. How many films have you and

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<v Speaker 2>your crew reviewed roughly today?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're well, yeah, if you include our bonus

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02:15:03.399 --> 02:15:05.039
<v Speaker 3>episodes that we do for patrons, I believe we're over

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<v Speaker 3>six hundred now, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean twelve hundred hours of Christian media. Of movies. Are

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<v Speaker 2>they pure flicks or are they a guy with a

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<v Speaker 2>cel phone cam and all the everything between.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's as soon as I hate to say it,

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02:15:24.920 --> 02:15:27.600
<v Speaker 3>pure flix represents the really the the upper echelon of

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02:15:27.680 --> 02:15:30.159
<v Speaker 3>the quality that we deal with on god awful movies.

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02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:32.520
<v Speaker 3>But now you know you're talking about the deep face

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<v Speaker 3>of the problems with AIMN. My life has just been

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02:15:34.680 --> 02:15:36.800
<v Speaker 3>made all the more miserable. Now that these people have

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02:15:36.920 --> 02:15:39.760
<v Speaker 3>access to AI. They can turn these movies out, thirty

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<v Speaker 3>seven of them a day now.

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<v Speaker 2>I love how a lot of the Christian media. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was a Christian, I was the same way, so

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<v Speaker 2>I can say it. I loved I was the part

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<v Speaker 2>of the white male, white heateral male, conservative Republican Christian man,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was playing persecuted all the time. Right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pe persecuted in this country, you know. I like

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<v Speaker 2>the god awful movies, isn't that? Where was it? Sorbo

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02:16:05.199 --> 02:16:08.720
<v Speaker 2>who's the teacher and someone goes on trial, God goes

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02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:11.159
<v Speaker 2>on trial. What's the name of the what's the movie?

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you might have a couple of them there,

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02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:15.479
<v Speaker 3>because there's God's Not Dead. Was the one where he

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02:16:15.640 --> 02:16:17.920
<v Speaker 3>was Chorbo played the college professor the.

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02:16:18.239 --> 02:16:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Eighties or Yeah, he was the hardened, unhappy, miserable atheist.

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02:16:21.800 --> 02:16:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Right who gets hit by a car and decides to

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<v Speaker 3>be Jesus at the very last second. And then there

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02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:28.439
<v Speaker 3>was a sequel to it. I believe it was the

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02:16:28.560 --> 02:16:32.360
<v Speaker 3>second one where a teacher remind me who played the teacher.

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02:16:32.440 --> 02:16:37.040
<v Speaker 3>She was famous in the eighties. Who was it, Melissa

2315
02:16:37.120 --> 02:16:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Joe Hart. Yeah, so she played the teacher that got

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<v Speaker 3>sued for saying Jesus during a lesson at a public school.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Sobody said, well, is there any historical example of somebody

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02:16:49.120 --> 02:16:50.760
<v Speaker 3>who's you know whatever it was, And she says, well,

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02:16:50.879 --> 02:16:52.799
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ of Nazareth, And so they said the a

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02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:56.239
<v Speaker 3>c lu came out to sewer and then I believe

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02:16:56.280 --> 02:16:58.280
<v Speaker 3>that was the second one in that series. I thought

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02:16:58.360 --> 02:17:01.440
<v Speaker 3>that they missed an opportunity of having the rapture happen

2324
02:17:01.479 --> 02:17:03.040
<v Speaker 3>while she was on the stand in the middle of

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02:17:03.120 --> 02:17:05.639
<v Speaker 3>that one, but maybe part six.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done that. I was able to guess on god

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02:17:08.319 --> 02:17:12.440
<v Speaker 2>awful movies, and we did when Footman Tire What Will

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02:17:12.479 --> 02:17:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Horses Do, which is an estes Perkle film that came

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<v Speaker 2>out I want to say the seventies, sixties or some

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02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:20.799
<v Speaker 2>I think early.

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<v Speaker 5>Seventies, and it is torture porn.

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<v Speaker 2>Its absolute moreture porn. And I'm telling you there's a

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02:17:29.120 --> 02:17:32.799
<v Speaker 2>fetish aspect to a lot of the ways that religious

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02:17:32.920 --> 02:17:37.360
<v Speaker 2>organizations portray evil and I kind of wonder if they're

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02:17:37.440 --> 02:17:40.959
<v Speaker 2>getting off like they're like, well, if you don't accept Jesus,

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02:17:41.680 --> 02:17:45.280
<v Speaker 2>this is going to happen, and then they take tremendous

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02:17:45.399 --> 02:17:49.600
<v Speaker 2>pleasure in showing you all these lascivious deeds and carnality

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<v Speaker 2>and violence, and it kind of feels like pornographic that

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02:17:53.799 --> 02:17:56.239
<v Speaker 2>in that sense, y do you feel like, maybe, hey,

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02:17:56.319 --> 02:17:58.719
<v Speaker 2>now we've got an excuse to eat the forbidden fruit

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<v Speaker 2>right right right?

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<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting if you look into the like the

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02:18:02.280 --> 02:18:06.360
<v Speaker 3>history of cinema in America. For a very long time,

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02:18:06.399 --> 02:18:08.360
<v Speaker 3>we were very prudish about what we would and wouldn't

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02:18:08.360 --> 02:18:11.920
<v Speaker 3>allow on the movie screen. And one of the early

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02:18:11.959 --> 02:18:14.920
<v Speaker 3>ways they would get around that was by using Bible stories. Right,

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02:18:15.079 --> 02:18:18.000
<v Speaker 3>so if you are telling a Bible story, well, we

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02:18:18.120 --> 02:18:19.799
<v Speaker 3>know the Bible well enough to know there's plenty of

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02:18:19.840 --> 02:18:23.879
<v Speaker 3>tits and ass in the Bible, so the you know,

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02:18:23.959 --> 02:18:25.719
<v Speaker 3>but it was really hard for the censors to say, well,

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02:18:25.799 --> 02:18:27.680
<v Speaker 3>this is offensive when you can be like it's chapter

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02:18:27.799 --> 02:18:31.280
<v Speaker 3>in urse Man. So and I think there's probably that's

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02:18:31.319 --> 02:18:32.760
<v Speaker 3>at least part of the reason. If you look at

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02:18:32.959 --> 02:18:37.000
<v Speaker 3>the history of like art through the Renaissance and everything,

2355
02:18:37.079 --> 02:18:39.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, they used the Biblical stories as an excuse

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02:18:39.760 --> 02:18:41.840
<v Speaker 3>to paint a lot of really lascivious things that might

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02:18:41.920 --> 02:18:45.040
<v Speaker 3>be considered pornographic, you know, if it wasn't tied to

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02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:46.959
<v Speaker 3>the Bible. So I think it's probably just part of

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02:18:47.079 --> 02:18:50.440
<v Speaker 3>that lineage, you know, like in if Footman Tire you

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02:18:50.600 --> 02:18:52.760
<v Speaker 3>the guy the director that made that, He made his

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02:18:53.719 --> 02:18:56.520
<v Speaker 3>name by doing slasher fix afflicks of the seventies and

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02:18:56.520 --> 02:18:58.280
<v Speaker 3>then found Jesus and moved on to that.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my favorites. They showed them Christian School was

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02:19:01.040 --> 02:19:03.600
<v Speaker 2>super Christian. I shit you not. He turned into a

2365
02:19:03.680 --> 02:19:06.200
<v Speaker 2>superhero with a costume and a cape and flew around

2366
02:19:06.280 --> 02:19:10.079
<v Speaker 2>doing Jesus shit. It was the wackiest whackiest. Then there

2367
02:19:10.200 --> 02:19:12.200
<v Speaker 2>was the Thief in the Night series. They brought us

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02:19:12.280 --> 02:19:14.879
<v Speaker 2>in and showed us essentially the end of the World films.

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02:19:14.920 --> 02:19:17.959
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm in like sixth grade and they show us

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02:19:18.000 --> 02:19:20.959
<v Speaker 2>and say this will happen. Millions of people disappear at

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02:19:21.000 --> 02:19:24.840
<v Speaker 2>the rapture, the One World government takes everything over. They

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02:19:24.920 --> 02:19:26.559
<v Speaker 2>make you take the mark of the beast, you get

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02:19:26.600 --> 02:19:28.840
<v Speaker 2>it tattooed. If you refuse, they take you to the

2374
02:19:28.879 --> 02:19:31.840
<v Speaker 2>middle of a town square and they execute you by guillotine.

2375
02:19:32.559 --> 02:19:35.559
<v Speaker 2>And they had bloody guillotines and heads carried out in baskets.

2376
02:19:36.360 --> 02:19:38.360
<v Speaker 2>And they showed us these films, and at the end

2377
02:19:38.680 --> 02:19:40.399
<v Speaker 2>they had an altar call and say, now, who would

2378
02:19:40.440 --> 02:19:42.639
<v Speaker 2>like to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and

2379
02:19:42.719 --> 02:19:46.000
<v Speaker 2>save it? And we were weeping, we were terrified. We

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02:19:46.399 --> 02:19:48.920
<v Speaker 2>rushed to the stage. It's a kind of child abuse.

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02:19:49.600 --> 02:19:51.959
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Is that an overreach to say child abuse?

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't think so at all. Like I've seen some

2383
02:19:53.879 --> 02:19:56.760
<v Speaker 3>of those movies, it's absolutely abusive. If you took the

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02:19:56.840 --> 02:19:59.440
<v Speaker 3>religious element out of it, everyone would agree that those

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02:19:59.520 --> 02:20:00.280
<v Speaker 3>movies are so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, the passion is and there's a

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02:20:05.200 --> 02:20:09.200
<v Speaker 2>sequel coming out. Did you guys do the Path? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you review?

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02:20:09.719 --> 02:20:12.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Yeah, we did that one live in New York City.

2390
02:20:12.239 --> 02:20:13.840
<v Speaker 3>I think that might have been our first live show.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny because the church really got kind of

2392
02:20:17.399 --> 02:20:19.799
<v Speaker 2>nervous about Mel Gibson when he started screaming all the

2393
02:20:20.079 --> 02:20:22.959
<v Speaker 2>Holocaust denial and the anti Semitic stuff and Jews are

2394
02:20:22.959 --> 02:20:25.040
<v Speaker 2>responsible for all the wars in the world, and he's

2395
02:20:25.079 --> 02:20:27.360
<v Speaker 2>beaten his girlfriend and he's a total drunk and all

2396
02:20:27.399 --> 02:20:29.799
<v Speaker 2>these other things. They were parading him around the church

2397
02:20:29.879 --> 02:20:32.079
<v Speaker 2>circuit and it was at the time Passion was the

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02:20:32.200 --> 02:20:36.079
<v Speaker 2>number one most profitable rated R movie in his story,

2399
02:20:37.040 --> 02:20:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and now he's going back to the well somebody else

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02:20:39.840 --> 02:20:41.760
<v Speaker 2>is playing Jesus, So you're going to review it, I'm

2401
02:20:41.799 --> 02:20:42.799
<v Speaker 2>guessing Oh absolutely.

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02:20:43.200 --> 02:20:45.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. That record, by the way, is now held by Deadpool,

2403
02:20:45.719 --> 02:20:52.959
<v Speaker 3>So so Jesus Deadpool.

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<v Speaker 5>I really like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you guys had a good time today? That's really

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02:21:05.680 --> 02:21:08.680
<v Speaker 2>our dream. You know, I know your time is precious,

2407
02:21:08.719 --> 02:21:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and I know that you have responsibilities in your life,

2408
02:21:12.319 --> 02:21:14.479
<v Speaker 2>and you know it's for you to be here. Is

2409
02:21:14.799 --> 02:21:17.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a real gift to us. Everyone's thanking us for

2410
02:21:17.959 --> 02:21:20.079
<v Speaker 2>being here, But I don't know about you, no, but

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02:21:20.159 --> 02:21:22.479
<v Speaker 2>I look out and I'm just like thank you, like,

2412
02:21:22.639 --> 02:21:24.399
<v Speaker 2>thank you for coming. No, do you have any final

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02:21:24.479 --> 02:21:26.600
<v Speaker 2>thoughts before we put a bow on it today?

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<v Speaker 3>Now that you put me on the spot, like no,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to reiterate I really appreciate you guys

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02:21:33.280 --> 02:21:35.479
<v Speaker 3>coming out. You know, we do this week after week

2417
02:21:35.520 --> 02:21:38.159
<v Speaker 3>to an empty room, and it is really nice to

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02:21:38.239 --> 02:21:39.879
<v Speaker 3>sometimes be reminded.

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<v Speaker 5>That you know, there are ears on the other end

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02:21:41.600 --> 02:21:43.280
<v Speaker 5>of it. So thank you so much for coming out.

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02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:49.040
<v Speaker 6>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>My I think the one thing i'd leave you with

2423
02:21:53.120 --> 02:21:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to hang out will be out if

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02:21:54.799 --> 02:21:57.799
<v Speaker 2>you guys want, we'll be with you for a little

2425
02:21:57.799 --> 02:21:59.239
<v Speaker 2>bit of time if you want to, we'd love a

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02:21:59.319 --> 02:22:02.319
<v Speaker 2>chance to meet you. By the way, everybody you want

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02:22:02.360 --> 02:22:05.079
<v Speaker 2>to guess I don't have a photographer, so if anybody

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02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:07.200
<v Speaker 2>has a cell phone, anybody want to take a quick

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02:22:07.280 --> 02:22:11.360
<v Speaker 2>picture of just like the room or anything real fast

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02:22:11.799 --> 02:22:15.239
<v Speaker 2>to have? Uh oh go ahead, noah, yeah, you guys,

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02:22:17.239 --> 02:22:17.680
<v Speaker 2>all right.

2432
02:22:19.319 --> 02:22:19.600
<v Speaker 3>All right?

2433
02:22:19.639 --> 02:22:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Can we get everybody in there?

2434
02:22:20.840 --> 02:22:24.959
<v Speaker 3>I think so everybody say cheese.

2435
02:22:27.799 --> 02:22:33.399
<v Speaker 2>I thought you're gonna say, Jesus, here's a fun one.

2436
02:22:33.639 --> 02:22:36.479
<v Speaker 2>When you see somebody out there, especially with Christians, say hey,

2437
02:22:36.680 --> 02:22:38.479
<v Speaker 2>just walk up with the dead pan, straight face and say,

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02:22:38.559 --> 02:22:41.079
<v Speaker 2>did you know if you say Jesus backwards it sounds

2439
02:22:41.120 --> 02:22:47.079
<v Speaker 2>like sausage. Even before they get offended, they will be

2440
02:22:47.200 --> 02:22:49.959
<v Speaker 2>doing it in their brain for the rest of their life.

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02:22:52.159 --> 02:22:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I think if there was any final thing, it would

2442
02:22:54.559 --> 02:22:57.399
<v Speaker 2>be this. And it goes back to my story earlier.

2443
02:22:57.719 --> 02:23:02.000
<v Speaker 2>It's that we're around by people that are expecting us

2444
02:23:02.079 --> 02:23:05.239
<v Speaker 2>to validate them. But that's not why we're here. It's

2445
02:23:05.399 --> 02:23:08.680
<v Speaker 2>it's not our responsibility to validate other people to keep

2446
02:23:08.719 --> 02:23:11.120
<v Speaker 2>them comfortable. Certainly, we want to build bridges where we can.

2447
02:23:11.239 --> 02:23:13.680
<v Speaker 2>But I'm telling you, you know, would my life in

2448
02:23:13.760 --> 02:23:19.040
<v Speaker 2>some ways be easier if I played nice and you know,

2449
02:23:19.440 --> 02:23:22.479
<v Speaker 2>played Christian? I don't know, probably in some ways. But

2450
02:23:22.600 --> 02:23:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I would never go back. Do anybody else feel that,

2451
02:23:24.879 --> 02:23:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I'd never go back. I would never retreat back

2452
02:23:28.399 --> 02:23:33.440
<v Speaker 2>into the matrix because even despite the challenges, I'm happier now.

2453
02:23:33.920 --> 02:23:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm less scared of death now than I am when

2454
02:23:36.159 --> 02:23:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I believed in heaven. Is that freaky? Like I don't

2455
02:23:39.719 --> 02:23:43.639
<v Speaker 2>fear death, Like the moments mean more because I know

2456
02:23:43.799 --> 02:23:47.319
<v Speaker 2>that they are finite. My relationships mean more because I

2457
02:23:47.440 --> 02:23:50.440
<v Speaker 2>realized that, you know, the conditional ones fell away, and

2458
02:23:50.559 --> 02:23:52.840
<v Speaker 2>the people who loved and respected me for who I was,

2459
02:23:53.280 --> 02:23:55.159
<v Speaker 2>they were the ones who stuck around. Those are the

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02:23:55.239 --> 02:23:59.639
<v Speaker 2>important ones. I've my circle has become bigger and smaller

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02:24:00.040 --> 02:24:04.079
<v Speaker 2>in some ways. And I'll tell you, an authentic life

2462
02:24:04.200 --> 02:24:07.079
<v Speaker 2>is a gift that you give to yourself every day.

2463
02:24:07.680 --> 02:24:10.639
<v Speaker 2>It just it returns to you every day. And that's

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02:24:10.680 --> 02:24:12.280
<v Speaker 2>my hope for you when you leave and you get

2465
02:24:12.319 --> 02:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>back out into this crazy world, and it is crazy

2466
02:24:15.600 --> 02:24:17.680
<v Speaker 2>if you are able to be who you are and

2467
02:24:17.799 --> 02:24:19.959
<v Speaker 2>be honest about it and know that we're all just

2468
02:24:20.280 --> 02:24:22.399
<v Speaker 2>primates trying to figure it out and doing the best

2469
02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:24.719
<v Speaker 2>we can, and that we're good without gods. We're good

2470
02:24:24.799 --> 02:24:27.559
<v Speaker 2>for goodness sake, and we are us and not who

2471
02:24:27.639 --> 02:24:29.840
<v Speaker 2>other people expect us to be. That is a gift.

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02:24:29.920 --> 02:24:32.840
<v Speaker 2>It is a Christmas gift three sixty five twenty four

2473
02:24:32.840 --> 02:24:35.840
<v Speaker 2>to seven, and I hope you give that gift to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>What an honor it has been to be here today.

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02:24:37.959 --> 02:24:40.639
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for coming out and being a

2476
02:24:40.680 --> 02:24:43.079
<v Speaker 2>part of it. A real, real crisis.

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02:24:43.239 --> 02:24:43.600
<v Speaker 11>Thank you.

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02:24:49.680 --> 02:24:53.200
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<v Speaker 1>t shirts featuring the Thinking Atheist logo, links to atheist

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<v Speaker 1>pages and resources, and details on upcoming free thought events

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<v Speaker 1>and conventions. Log onto our website, The Thinkingatheist dot com