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<v Speaker 1>Weird things happened in the Weird Weird.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, I wanted to talk about a topic that

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<v Speaker 2>is of great interest to me and also a concept

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<v Speaker 2>that I think is very important to understand on the

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual path. So before I get into the topic of initiation,

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<v Speaker 2>without further ado, I want to just kind of move

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<v Speaker 2>into the topic of initiation. What do you think of

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<v Speaker 2>when I say initiation.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of things, really, And I've been

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about this all day because I knew you were

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<v Speaker 3>gonna ask me. But I tend to kind of think

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<v Speaker 3>of like secret societies to immediately, or secret clubs or

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<v Speaker 3>fraternities or you know, things of that nature where sure,

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<v Speaker 3>where they're kind of needs to be some barrier for entry, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to weed out the people who really want

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<v Speaker 3>to be there. And you know, I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 3>really endorse gangs, but I do kind of like the

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<v Speaker 3>concept of initiation. Like I'm pretty fond of the concept

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<v Speaker 3>as far as like who really wants.

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<v Speaker 2>To be here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't like violence I don't, like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>or hazing or anything like that, not of that nature,

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<v Speaker 3>but like I am pretty fond of an initiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a cool concept, right, So I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to start with the definition. This is like Wikipedia, very

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<v Speaker 2>bare bones, not like esoterically interpreted or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Initiation is a right of passage, marking entrance or acceptance

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<v Speaker 2>into a group or society. It could also be a

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<v Speaker 2>formal admission to adulthood in a community or one of

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<v Speaker 2>its formal components. In an extended sense, it can also

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<v Speaker 2>signify a transformation in which the initiate is reborn into

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<v Speaker 2>a new role. So this is like the standard definition

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<v Speaker 2>just conceptually of what the word initiation means. Obviously, on

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<v Speaker 2>Bletso said, so, what I want to focus about is

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual understanding of initiation in what it is. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think that this term is very complex, and as

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<v Speaker 2>you said, when we hear the word initiation, we think

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<v Speaker 2>of a ritual or we think of some drama or play,

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<v Speaker 2>and those do happen, and those are real and true,

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<v Speaker 2>they are initiations. But in the understanding on the deeper levels,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a spiritual process that unfolds within the individual. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a part of the evolutionary cycle of humankind that

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<v Speaker 2>as we are evolving the psychic faculties, we undergo the

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<v Speaker 2>initiation process, which is multiple levels of the psychic senses

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<v Speaker 2>unfolding as we reach higher levels of realization and develop

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<v Speaker 2>the actual organs, according to Rudolph Steiner, and the faculties

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<v Speaker 2>within the actual physical human body to have a higher

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<v Speaker 2>perception of spiritual realities. So it's so much more than

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<v Speaker 2>just a play or a drama or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And in fact, the I'm just gonna go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>quote Rudolph Steiner, let me let me back up. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna quote doctor Gilbert. Who's quoting doctor Rudolph Steiner. Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Gilbert rest in peace. He is a wonderful human

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<v Speaker 2>being who just even spending one evening with him completely

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<v Speaker 2>changed my life. It was either last year or the

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<v Speaker 2>year before. It's been a while now in time blurs,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't too long ago. He very suddenly passed away,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it was a big shock to the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of metaphysical space. He was prolific. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>very impactful and probably one of the most profound modern

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<v Speaker 2>Rosicrucian thinkers, and it was because of him that I

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<v Speaker 2>became very fascinated and Rosicrucianism in the first place. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>rest in peace, doctor Gilbert. But this is a quote

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<v Speaker 2>from one of his lectures from back when he was living.

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<v Speaker 2>Initiation rituals present an allegorical form the process of spiritual development.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you think of long ago, in the times

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<v Speaker 2>of Egypt, ancient Greece, you know, Persia, India, Tibet, China,

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<v Speaker 2>where Buddhism was very prevalent in the East as it

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, forming Hinduism all that stuff, they all

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<v Speaker 2>had these different kinds of ritual initiations. Maybe there's the

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<v Speaker 2>concept of the priest in the west or the guru

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<v Speaker 2>in the east, right, and it's it's more or less

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say authoritarian, because that's not the

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<v Speaker 2>right connotation, but it's it's a hierarchy. There's a high

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<v Speaker 2>archical structure of temple tradition, you know, where you go

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<v Speaker 2>to the temple to receive instruction from a master. So

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<v Speaker 2>in the way ancient past, probably starting back in the

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<v Speaker 2>times of Egypt, they had the mystery schools, and they

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<v Speaker 2>had the temples within the pyramids and all over Egypt

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<v Speaker 2>where you would go to these temples and you would

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<v Speaker 2>you would receive knowledge. But back in these days, you

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<v Speaker 2>had to more or less prove you were a worthy candidate, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you had to walk a certain path for a while

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<v Speaker 2>to be deemed worthy to be brought into the inner temple,

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<v Speaker 2>to receive the mysteries which even then, even all the

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<v Speaker 2>way back then, the mysteries that were dispensed to worthy

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<v Speaker 2>candidates or initiates as they would become, had to be earned.

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<v Speaker 2>You have this kind of allegorical sense of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wielding milner Thor's hammer, or the legend of finding the

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Grail or pulling King Arthur's sword from the stone.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these are just allegories for receiving inner, spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>and initiations by following the way, the spiritual way or

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<v Speaker 2>the path and unfolding the psychic senses through the development

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<v Speaker 2>of moral, spiritual all of these faculties that make you

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<v Speaker 2>a good person, more devoted to your family, to your friends,

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<v Speaker 2>your community, being kind hearted, all of these qualities. You

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<v Speaker 2>had to prove devotion to these, and some traditions even

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<v Speaker 2>held vowels of silence like I believe we did an

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<v Speaker 2>episode on the Esscenes, right, and we talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>Therapeute of Egypt. I think they had like a year

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<v Speaker 2>long silent period or something like that, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>that was just to prove to the masters. All Right,

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<v Speaker 2>this dude's for real. He really wants the mysteries, right,

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<v Speaker 2>what are the mysteries? Well, now we know that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read from actual Rosicrucian resources here in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment, but we know that the mysteries were very

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<v Speaker 2>power were full multi dimensional knowledge about consciousness and about

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<v Speaker 2>the nature of reality and the subject and condition that

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<v Speaker 2>we are in here in earth life, and the truth

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<v Speaker 2>of God and the source that all creation emanates from.

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<v Speaker 2>So the esoteric thread, right, when you think like the

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<v Speaker 2>Gnostic tradition, the Hermetic tradition, the Rosicrucians, the alchemists, the

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<v Speaker 2>templar knights, you know, the Egyptian mysteries, the Grecian mysteries,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Greece, all of these similar traditions that are

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of saying the same things. Well, they were

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<v Speaker 2>all traveling these ancient lands, learning in their temples, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were sharing knowledge, right, and they were learning from

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<v Speaker 2>one another. I believe it's I can't remember the exact

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<v Speaker 2>I could find it if I wasn't sitting here hosting, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I don't think it's to Maaeus. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a long story short. I talked about this in the

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<v Speaker 2>very first episode of the show Let's Get Mystical, where

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<v Speaker 2>one of the and full disclosure, I have a very

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<v Speaker 2>hard time keeping it together in my head. Which one

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<v Speaker 2>is Aristotle, which one is Socrates, and which one is Plato,

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<v Speaker 2>because like one of them is not even a real person,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's using the other one's name. It just confuses me.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of them writes about Solon, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>relative of theirs, and Solon is I think it was Plato.

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<v Speaker 2>Solon is going to Egypt, and then he comes back

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<v Speaker 2>and he's talking about how he learned about the mysteries

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<v Speaker 2>of Atlantis, or rather that he learned the great spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>mysteries from the priests in Egypt. And then he says,

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<v Speaker 2>but even the priests of Egypt bow to the masters

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<v Speaker 2>of the wisdom of Atlantis. So like four hundred years

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<v Speaker 2>before the birth of Christ, we have these Greek writers

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how even in Greece they go to learn

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge and wisdom of the mysteries from the spiritual masters

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<v Speaker 2>in the land of Egypt, who even all the way

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<v Speaker 2>back then claimed that their knowledge came from a higher source,

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<v Speaker 2>a more ancient source. So the point of this is

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<v Speaker 2>there is a thread if you know where to look.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you know, you have authors like Pythagoras who talked

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<v Speaker 2>about going to India, to all these different places, Egypt

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<v Speaker 2>and learning. You have different documents that talk about Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. There's even actual no commodity texts that talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Jesus traveling to different lands, you know, So you

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<v Speaker 2>have this thread of back in the ancient times, people

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<v Speaker 2>would be so hungry for the spiritual tradition that they

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<v Speaker 2>would go visit temples and all these various lands and

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<v Speaker 2>they would learn, and they would increase their knowledge of

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<v Speaker 2>the mysteries. Right, So a little bit of a tangent,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just wanted to talk about how this information

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<v Speaker 2>has always been there and it's more or less kind

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<v Speaker 2>of always been deemed danger by the authorities and the

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<v Speaker 2>powers that be. And we'll talk a little bit later

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<v Speaker 2>about how when the mystery schools became united under Moses

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<v Speaker 2>the Third, it was just a few decades later that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a young pharaoh, Amenhotep the fourth, who was

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<v Speaker 2>so enamored by these mysteries that he changed his name

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<v Speaker 2>to be Akinatan, which is something to the effect of

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<v Speaker 2>the Atin, which is the solar disc, and he changed

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<v Speaker 2>their religion to be monotheistic to observe the solar disc.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Autan the true God, right. And we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this before, where in the far past when they

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<v Speaker 2>had the symbol of the sun, they're not telling you

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<v Speaker 2>that they worship the physical sun, but rather that they

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<v Speaker 2>observed the esoteric view of God, the very person who

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<v Speaker 2>established Egypt as a monotheistic religion, even though that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>hold and some later dynasty did that back to the

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of earlier polytheistic version. But that is a

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<v Speaker 2>very real part of history, and it's even in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>It talks about this in the Bible in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the Books of Moses where he's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bringing the Jewish people from enslavement in Israel, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have the story about like the ten plagues, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that story, right. It even says in there that Egypt

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<v Speaker 2>was so afraid of the power of God that they

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<v Speaker 2>changed their religion to you know, believe in the true God,

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<v Speaker 2>the one True God. So anyway, we even have real

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<v Speaker 2>historical occurrences where pharaohs, high and mighty leaders of nations

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<v Speaker 2>are so enamored by these mysteries, great philosophers, renaissance men

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<v Speaker 2>literally and figuratively scientists that they are becoming initiated into

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<v Speaker 2>these mysteries and they're secretly influencing culture because it was

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<v Speaker 2>It's not so good for the powers to be when

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<v Speaker 3>And in the short term, it also might not be

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<v Speaker 2>But see, here's the thing. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>seen meeting with agents and he's having conversations with them

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<v Speaker 2>about like Okay, yeah, I just looked him up and

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to go back to how it was, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there are people like that. That is a fact, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a sad part of reality that there are

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<v Speaker 2>many souls that don't care about the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's exactly why initiation exists.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and That's exactly why in ancient times you

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<v Speaker 2>had to prove you were worthy, because it was dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>for this knowledge to be freely spread or spread. And

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<v Speaker 2>we have so much evidence that when this knowledge was

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<v Speaker 2>starting to hit critical mass and get out there, that

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<v Speaker 2>it would become brutally suppressed. And the authorities, whether it

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, I'll just say, you know, at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>the Roman Catholic Empire, they start suppressing these movements, slaughtering people,

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<v Speaker 2>banning them as heresy, burning templars at the stake, slaughtering Cathars,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, Gnostic Christians, and there was even bishops

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<v Speaker 2>at the time who were more aligned with this way

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking. And even then, gnosticism is just another continuation

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<v Speaker 2>of the mysteries. So let's talk a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>about the mysteries to understand initigation. So this is actually

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<v Speaker 2>from a real rosicruci website. This is one of the largest,

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<v Speaker 2>if not the largest bodies of Rosicrucianism in the world today.

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<v Speaker 2>and it is it stands for the Ancient Mystic Order

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<v Speaker 2>of rose Crusis. So this is copied right from their website.

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<v Speaker 2>The rosicruci movement, of which the Rosicrucian Order AMRC is

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<v Speaker 2>the most prominent modern representative, has its roots in the

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<v Speaker 2>mystery traditions, philosophy, and myths of ancient Egypt, dating back

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<v Speaker 2>to approximately fifteen hundred BCE. In antiquity, the word mystery

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<v Speaker 2>referred to a special gnosis or a secret wisdom. Thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of years ago, in ancient Egypt, select bodies or schools

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<v Speaker 2>were formed to explore the mysteries of life and learn

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<v Speaker 2>the secrets of hidden wisdom. Only sincere students displaying a

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<v Speaker 2>desire for knowledge and meeting certain tests were considered worthy

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<v Speaker 2>of being inducted into these mysteries. Over the course of centuries,

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<v Speaker 2>these mystery schools added an initiatory dimension to the knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>they transmitted. It is further traditionally related that the order's

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<v Speaker 2>first member students met in secluded chambers in magnificent old temples,

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<v Speaker 2>where as candidates they were initiated into the great mysteries.

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<v Speaker 2>Their mystical studies then assumed a more closed character and

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<v Speaker 2>were held exclusively in temples which had been built for

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<v Speaker 2>that purpose. Rosicrucian tradition relates that the great Pyramids of

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<v Speaker 2>Giza were most sacred in the eyes of initiates. Contrary

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<v Speaker 2>to what hysteric historians affirm, our tradition relates that the

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<v Speaker 2>Giza Pyramids were not built to be the tombs of pharaohs,

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<v Speaker 2>but were actually places of study and mystical initiation. The

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<v Speaker 2>mystery schools, over centuries of time, gradually evolved in the

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<v Speaker 2>great centers of learning, attracting students from throughout the known world.

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<v Speaker 2>Pharaoh thought most the Third, who ruled Egypt from fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred to fourteen forty seven BC, organized the first esoteric

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<v Speaker 2>schools of initiates, founded upon principles and methods similar to

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<v Speaker 2>those perpetuated today by the Rosicrucian order Amorc. Decades later,

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<v Speaker 2>Pharaoh Amenhutep the Fourth was initiated into the Secret school.

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<v Speaker 2>The most enlightened pharaoh, history's first monotheist, was so inspired

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<v Speaker 2>by the mystery teachings that he gave a completely new

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<v Speaker 2>direction to Egypt's religion and philosophy. He established a religion

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<v Speaker 2>which recognized the atone, the solar disc, as being the

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<v Speaker 2>symbol of the sole deity, the foundation of life itself,

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<v Speaker 2>the symbol of light, truth, and joy, and changed his

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<v Speaker 2>name to Aknatin to reflect these new ideas, and although

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<v Speaker 2>the earlier religion was later re established, the mystical idea

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<v Speaker 2>was put forth in human consciousness, and its flame never died.

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<v Speaker 2>Centuries later, Greek philosophers such as Thales and Pythagoras, the

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<v Speaker 2>Roman philosopher Plotonus and others journeyed to Egypt and were

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<v Speaker 2>initiated into the mystery schools. They then brought their advanced

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<v Speaker 2>learning and wisdom to the Western world. Their experiences are

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<v Speaker 2>the first records of what eventually grew and blossomed into

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<v Speaker 2>the Rosicrucian Order. The name of the order as it

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<v Speaker 2>is now known, was to come much later. However, the

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<v Speaker 2>Rosicrucian Order always perpetuated its heritage of ancient symbolism and principles.

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<v Speaker 2>It was in the time of Charlemagne in seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>forty two to eight hundred and fourteen that the French

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<v Speaker 2>philosopher on Arnaud introduced the mystical teachings into France, and

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<v Speaker 2>from there they spread to much of Western Europe. Throughout

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<v Speaker 2>medieval Europe, mystical knowledge was often necessarily couched in symbolism

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<v Speaker 2>or disguised and hidden in the love songs of Troubadours,

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<v Speaker 2>the formularies of alchemists, the symbolical system known as the Kabbala,

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<v Speaker 2>and the ritual orders of knighthood. While much of medieval

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<v Speaker 2>Europe lay in darkness, the highly advanced Arab civilization preserved

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<v Speaker 2>a lit large body of the mystical teachings through texts

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<v Speaker 2>translated directly from the great libraries of the ancient world,

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<v Speaker 2>such as Egypt's Alexandria Library. Philosophy, medicine, mathematics, and alchemy

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<v Speaker 2>were all important subjects preserved in these libraries and later

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<v Speaker 2>transmitted to Europe by the way of Arabs. Just a

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<v Speaker 2>If you talk to freemasons, a lot of the original

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge that they were preserving was advanced master craft and stonemasonry,

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<v Speaker 2>which includes what mathematics science. That's why their symbols the

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<v Speaker 2>square in the compass rate. Alchemy, the art of transmutation

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<v Speaker 2>came into prominence with the Alexandrian Greeks. It was then

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<v Speaker 2>the forerunner of chemistry to Europe. The alchemists played a

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous part in the early history of the Rosicrucian order.

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<v Speaker 2>While many alchemists were interested in making gold, some were

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<v Speaker 2>and knights Templar in contact with the Arab civilization at

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<v Speaker 2>the time of the Crusades brought much of this wisdom

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<v Speaker 2>to the West, and the transcendental alchemists, mystics and philosophers

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<v Speaker 2>sought to transmute the base elements of human character. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why I brought this quote. That's the whole crux of

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<v Speaker 2>all of this. Sought to transmute the base elements of

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<v Speaker 2>human character and to the more noble virtues, and to

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<v Speaker 2>release the wisdom of the divine self within the individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the renowned alchemists who were also Rosicrucians or

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<v Speaker 2>were closely associated with them were Albertus Magnus, Roger Bacon,

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<v Speaker 2>Paracelsus Colleague I don't even know how to say this, Cagliostro,

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Flamel, and Robert Flood. And then here's the final

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<v Speaker 2>part of this Rosicrucian reference. Right, initiations are as old

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<v Speaker 2>as the earliest civilizations. The ancient Egyptians learned that the

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<v Speaker 2>helped to facilitate instruction, so that mystical ideas were more

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<v Speaker 2>easily impressed upon the minds of the students. Dramas of

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<v Speaker 2>impressive ceremonies, consisting of music, spectacular lighting, processionals, chanting, and

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<v Speaker 2>colorful ritual robes became an unforgettable experience to each participant.

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<v Speaker 2>These mystery dramas were somewhat like the modern day passion plays.

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<v Speaker 2>And ancient times, the word mystery did not have the

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<v Speaker 2>same connotation that it does now. It did not mean

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<v Speaker 2>strange or weird. Rather, it referred to a unique gnosis,

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<v Speaker 2>that is, knowledge which was to be revealed to the

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<v Speaker 2>candidate for initiation. In fact, in ancient Rome, the mysteries

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<v Speaker 2>were called initia, the initiates were called mistay. The Latin

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<v Speaker 2>word initiare meant to inspire, and initia meant beginning or training. Thus,

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<v Speaker 2>candidates for initiation were introduced to an inspiring knowledge that

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<v Speaker 2>was to make any emotional or psychic impression upon their consciousness,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as to add to their knowledge in a

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<v Speaker 2>dramatic way. The initiation sheds illumination upon certain subjects which

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise may not be thoroughly understood and appreciated. Further, the

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<v Speaker 2>mystical aspect of initiation arouses your psychic and emotional response

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<v Speaker 2>concerning the subjects you were about to study and produces

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<v Speaker 2>an awareness, a state of consciousness which otherwise could not

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<v Speaker 2>be achieved. Rosicruci initiations are rituals designed to mark the

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<v Speaker 2>milestones of a student's progress on the mystical path. And

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<v Speaker 2>these beautiful rituals, mystical laws and principles are demonstrated in

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<v Speaker 2>the Rosicrucian student. Okay, so, first off, I got that

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<v Speaker 2>from I think it's amo Orc dot org. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I owed them a plug. Also, I just love

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<v Speaker 2>their work amo RC. It's www dot Rosicrution dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just wanted to go ahead and drop that

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<v Speaker 2>so that people can read through the literature on their own.

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<v Speaker 2>But the main reason I wanted to talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>is because you're seeing real evidence of an actual living

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<v Speaker 2>wisdom tradition that spans many thousands of years, telling you

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<v Speaker 2>right out what it represents, what it meant to the

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<v Speaker 2>ancients why they still do it today. Most importantly, these

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<v Speaker 2>initiations serve as dramas, as it very much just said blatantly,

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<v Speaker 2>to leave an emotional and psychic impression upon your consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>so that you reach deeper levels of understanding basically about reality.

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<v Speaker 2>So we get into the multi dimensional nature of existence,

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<v Speaker 2>and we understand that when we're talking about such things

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<v Speaker 2>which are things for big boys and girls, right, this

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<v Speaker 2>is heavy conversation. We have to understand that the physical

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<v Speaker 2>world is a lower emanation from higher worlds. We have

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<v Speaker 2>to when we think of reality itself, God the Creator,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to think in terms of emanation theology. It's

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<v Speaker 2>That's not quite how it is. But there are many

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<v Speaker 2>levels and multitudes of order throughout existence. It's like layers

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<v Speaker 2>of reality where on this layer there's these beings, and

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<v Speaker 2>then on this layer there's archangels, and on this layer

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<v Speaker 2>which are like you know, the lady, and then on

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<v Speaker 2>this level of the source consciousness, and it goes up

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<v Speaker 2>and down a lot of layers. Right as you go

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty low, but not that low. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a special layer. Right, That's another conversation. If you take

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<v Speaker 2>passatterns that represent the stars, the planets, the order in

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<v Speaker 2>their behavior and movements are governed, and just how they function. Right,

413
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<v Speaker 2>and you look at even the iris in your eye,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it looks like galaxies. You look at cells

415
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<v Speaker 2>and how they clump together, and then you zoom up

416
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. You have cities, you have nations, you

417
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<v Speaker 2>have countries, you have solar systems, you have galaxies, you

418
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<v Speaker 2>have all that stuff. That's by design. That's intelligent design.

419
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<v Speaker 2>This is just some really hard to understand and hard

420
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<v Speaker 2>to fathom intelligent simulation that was thought into order from

421
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<v Speaker 2>the mind of God, the one God. Right when they

422
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<v Speaker 2>say the one true God, it's consciousness. It's the original thought,

423
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<v Speaker 2>the original mind really that thought everything else into being.

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<v Speaker 2>So you also should consider that because of this, that

425
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<v Speaker 2>because we are just silly little lower emanations of higher worlds,

426
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<v Speaker 2>much more intelligent and articulate designs that are not so

427
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>crude and physical, but they are more spiritual and light

428
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.400
<v Speaker 2>and frequency, you know, like non physical dimensions that are

429
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<v Speaker 2>purely psychic realms, or you could say astral whatever, pick

430
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:28.319
<v Speaker 2>your new age flavor. This is old concepts, just said

431
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<v Speaker 2>with a thousand different words, right in the way that

432
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<v Speaker 2>the little cells represent much bigger and more grand, beautiful,

433
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:47.960
<v Speaker 2>intelligent designs of the stars and the cosmos. The process

434
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<v Speaker 2>of evolution of human life is similarly reflected in a

435
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 2>macrocosmic way. So the things that happen to us and

436
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:04.799
<v Speaker 2>unfold within our psyches and the choices that we make

437
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:11.440
<v Speaker 2>here on our evolutionary path are also reflective of higher order,

438
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 2>multi dimensional concepts. So that was a very wordy way

439
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<v Speaker 2>for me to set the stage with the premise that

440
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 2>the ancients knew this very well. So the reason that

441
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.240
<v Speaker 2>they held these dramas in these initiations and created all

442
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>these mythologies and these allegories was to tell you, in

443
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<v Speaker 2>a symbolic way that what is happening in the first

444
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<v Speaker 2>place is not the play. It's not like, oh, you

445
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:44.519
<v Speaker 2>made it to a level of understanding, you get to

446
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 2>go through a little hazing and then you're in the club.

447
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 2>That's not what's happening. What's truly happening is there is

448
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a process of evolution that occurs when you go through

449
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:58.279
<v Speaker 2>this initiation or awakening process. What the ancients were telling

450
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<v Speaker 2>you and what they're still telling you today. If you

451
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:02.559
<v Speaker 2>go through all these resources and know where to look,

452
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<v Speaker 2>that there's evolution occurring on the on the planet, throughout

453
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<v Speaker 2>the human race. And in order to reach the next

454
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:20.480
<v Speaker 2>step in the evolutionary phase is one hundred percent required

455
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<v Speaker 2>that you experience you could say, an awakening or an initiation,

456
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<v Speaker 2>a spiritual initiation that in order to awaken to the

457
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 2>next level of consciousness in our evolutionary progression, you have

458
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<v Speaker 2>to have uh development of the psychic faculties. Right, there

459
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.440
<v Speaker 2>has to be a progression. How do you develop the

460
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>psychic faculty faculties? How do you how do you evolve

461
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>your consciousness? Well, you know, we'll talk about that from

462
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the Steiner perspective. So Rudolph Steiner was an amazing individual

463
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>as well. Uh oh yeah, we recently did an episode

464
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<v Speaker 2>on him. So the difference between in the ancient times

465
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<v Speaker 2>when initiation all of this mystery school stuff. It was

466
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<v Speaker 2>more institutional, and it was like hierarchical, and you more

467
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<v Speaker 2>or less, you know, you didn't have your phone where

468
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<v Speaker 2>you could read every Steiner book on kindle or every

469
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, you go through amrc's website and go through

470
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.279
<v Speaker 2>that on a self paced study. That wasn't a thing

471
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<v Speaker 2>back then. You know, they were figuring out papyrus and

472
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<v Speaker 2>all that. It was a lot of times word of

473
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<v Speaker 2>mouth tradition for thousands of years. I think Hinduism was

474
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<v Speaker 2>word of mouth for the first several hundred, if not

475
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<v Speaker 2>thousands of years until they finally wrote the Bagavad Gita,

476
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<v Speaker 2>you know, And that's just how it was back then.

477
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<v Speaker 2>It was word of mouth. So you more or less

478
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<v Speaker 2>had to have a deep yearning to And I want

479
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<v Speaker 2>to add to this that I think everyone comes here

480
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:57.920
<v Speaker 2>and there in some way seeking God. It's a part

481
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<v Speaker 2>of our design. It's like a spark within our DNA.

482
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<v Speaker 2>We all have that spark of divine consciousness. So we're

483
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<v Speaker 2>seeking union with that part of ourselves. But the problem

484
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<v Speaker 2>is our beliefs vary. So a lot of people say,

485
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<v Speaker 2>well I don't believe in God. Okay, well you believe

486
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 2>in something. You're seeking to be reunited with something, some

487
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 2>sort of higher power, some sort of you know, maybe

488
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>it's aliens, maybe I don't know. I don't want to

489
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<v Speaker 2>go down the list to you. But everybody is seeking something, everybody.

490
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<v Speaker 2>And then there is that small percentage of people that

491
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>they think they've found that something and they're not seeking

492
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<v Speaker 2>anything more. And then there's another category of people that

493
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>are like us that it's like, Okay, well I grew

494
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 2>up Christian, I grew up God, but I need more.

495
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I need a deeper connection with this. I need to

496
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<v Speaker 2>understand this on another level. I'm not satisfied, you know

497
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, what's it going to take to satisfy this?

498
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Where can I learn?

499
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So those kinds of people would seek out these

501
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>temples and they would more or less you know, become

502
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.359
<v Speaker 2>candidates on the path of initiation, and then they go

503
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>through some sort of trial phase where they seek to

504
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 2>prove themselves worthy. I mean, this was all over the world.

505
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:27.440
<v Speaker 2>This was Druids, this was Mithraic mystery tradition. Everything the Ellis,

506
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 2>the Eleusinian mysteries, and the Oracle of Delphi tradition. It

507
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 2>goes on and on, you know, Egypt. To bet all

508
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 2>of it, right, you had to prove that you were

509
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 2>a candidate worthy of initiation into the deeper mysteries of consciousness,

510
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:48.279
<v Speaker 2>of our multi dimensional existence, the truth that God is,

511
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the original intelligent mind that thought everything into existence,

512
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 2>and that there are angelic beings interceding on behalf of humanity.

513
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<v Speaker 2>So just to kind of wrap up, but you know

514
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<v Speaker 2>I talked about from the Rosicrucian tradition, and just like

515
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<v Speaker 2>a basic kind of shotgun spread about Egyptian tradition. So

516
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<v Speaker 2>an Egyptian tradition, initiation, referred to in the context of

517
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<v Speaker 2>the mysteries or secret rights of temples and mystery schools,

518
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>was a sacred, rigorous process of spiritual transformation. It aimed

519
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:25.400
<v Speaker 2>to awaken higher knowledge or gnosis, prepare the individual for

520
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 2>the afterlife, and achieve union with the divine forces, particularly

521
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:34.119
<v Speaker 2>through the Osiris myth cycle of death, dismemberment, resurrection and rebirth.

522
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<v Speaker 2>Because we all know the story of Osiris and now

523
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>he was caught up into fourteen pieces and then he

524
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 2>was brought back to life. It's like eternal life, right.

525
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 2>It symbolizes eternal life, death and rebirth eternally. That's the

526
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 2>same as the oro boris right, the serpent eating its tail.

527
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<v Speaker 2>That's the universe. This is constant cycles of life, death,

528
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and then the re birth of life. Unlike modern self

529
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<v Speaker 2>guided paths, Egyptian initiation in the ancient past was typically

530
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.319
<v Speaker 2>temple based, hierarchical, and conducted under the guidance of priests

531
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 2>or high refonts and sacred priescincts like Abidos, which was

532
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the center of Osiris worship, Heliopolis, Memphis, or Thebes. It

533
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.039
<v Speaker 2>was reserved for those deemed worthy, usually priests or pharaohs,

534
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>or select aspirants, which you're an aspirant before you're an initiate.

535
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:30.000
<v Speaker 2>After long preparation involving moral purification, study, fasting, silence, and

536
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 2>ethical discipline ethical discipline, the process symbolized a symbolic death

537
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and rebirth, mirroring the myth of Osiris and the soul's

538
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 2>journey through the duat or which is Egyptian for the underworld.

539
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<v Speaker 2>To achieve eternal life as an akh, which is an

540
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:53.159
<v Speaker 2>effective spirit, candidates underwent extended periods of fasting, sometimes forty days, prayer,

541
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.840
<v Speaker 2>study of sacred texts, abstinence from pleasures and moral trials

542
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.599
<v Speaker 2>to purify the body, soul, and spirit. This built inner

543
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 2>strength and detachment from material desires and is she It's

544
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.400
<v Speaker 2>faced symbolic tests representing the four elements like earth, water, air,

545
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.320
<v Speaker 2>and fire, or confronting darkness, fear, and ego. These included

546
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the descent into darkness or symbolic tombs and chambers. We've

547
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>talked about this on episodes past, like sometimes in Greek

548
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.480
<v Speaker 2>when you were seeking to be initiated into the mysteries,

549
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:24.159
<v Speaker 2>they would literally create a set that represented like the labyrinth,

550
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.119
<v Speaker 2>and they would have people in menotar costumes like the

551
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>story of Data Lists and the Minotaur, and you would

552
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>have to navigate through a dark, scary labyrinth and they

553
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>would have people, you know, jump out at you and

554
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:38.079
<v Speaker 2>scare the craft out of you, and they would simulate it.

555
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>In some traditions they simulate you being in hell. It's

556
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>to really like show you the consequences of not staying

557
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 2>on the spiritual path and what happens to your soul

558
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.239
<v Speaker 2>if you don't. So they were very serious and dramatic

559
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 2>with these, creating entire dramas in plays Encounters with Guardians

560
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>or eighties like Anubis the jackalhead, a guide who conducted

561
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the soul and oversaw the mummification and rebirth rights or

562
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 2>symbolic death, lying in a sarcophagus, or experiencing ritual dismemberment

563
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and reassembly, echoing Osiris. I know in many traditions today

564
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.320
<v Speaker 2>they have rituals rea to lie in a coffin. I

565
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>want to say they might do that in freemasonry, but

566
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.639
<v Speaker 2>I can't confirm that. I don't know, but I know

567
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Speaker 2>they're doing skull in bones, but that's a different animal.

568
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not on their side. Central was the passion play

569
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.639
<v Speaker 2>of Osiris. The initiate experienced vicariously the god's murder, scattering

570
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 2>of limbs searched by Isis, resurrection, and triumph. This granted

571
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>insight into immortality in the afterlife. Successful initiates received esoteric

572
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 2>teachings on cosmology, which is basically the structure of the

573
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 2>universe and its origin. You know, the soul's immortality, magic alchemy,

574
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 2>hieroglyphic wisdom, and the hidden forces of nature. Secrets include

575
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.280
<v Speaker 2>to the nature of the gods, the afterlife journey is

576
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.280
<v Speaker 2>in the Book of the Dead, and how to navigate

577
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>judgment by Osiris. Weighing your heart against my Odd's feather,

578
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 2>which is the it's like the ostrich feather. Initiates wore

579
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:15.320
<v Speaker 2>valves of silence and ethical conduct. Revealing the mysteries was forbidden,

580
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.719
<v Speaker 2>and temple inscriptions were They warned against disclosing the rights

581
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and the rituals. The secrecy preserved the power of the knowledge,

582
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and the initiate emerged twice born, which is why our

583
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>band is called twice born or regenerated, often with a

584
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 2>new initiatory name. They gained continuity of consciousness beyond death,

585
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>the ability to act as intermediaries between worlds, and sometimes

586
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:42.440
<v Speaker 2>priestly or magical authority. Pharaoh's received high initiations aligned with

587
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>raw and the Great Pyramid to ruless divine instruments. So

588
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Stuf's great, it's history. It's awesome. I love studying that stuff.

589
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I love being connected to that stuff and learning about

590
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 2>that stuff and talking to people who are first hand

591
00:37:56.159 --> 00:38:01.599
<v Speaker 2>involved with that stuff. It's very good stuff. But the

592
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 2>whole point I want to make with this episode to establish,

593
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<v Speaker 2>like the history and the tradition of this, that all

594
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<v Speaker 2>of this served the purpose of being an allegory for

595
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:24.280
<v Speaker 2>the actual psycho physical evolution occurring within human beings that

596
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.519
<v Speaker 2>are undergoing spiritual development. That this was such a big

597
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>deal to the ancients, this knowledge that we are evolving,

598
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>that they created entire dramas and plays and orders around this. Right,

599
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>And the great point is that you don't have to

600
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 2>do all that stuff. That's great. It's like, if you

601
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 2>want to do it, you know, it's extracurricular. But this

602
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.320
<v Speaker 2>is a process that occurs within every one of us.

603
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>What does that look like? Well, I know that when you,

604
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<v Speaker 2>for example, if you've had a near death experience in

605
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>your life, or if you've let's just say something crazy,

606
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 2>if you've smoked DMT, or if you have experienced completely

607
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.519
<v Speaker 2>soul crushing trauma like many people have, I think most

608
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 2>have it through this path, whether it's abuse or you

609
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 2>know whatever. A lot of people receive their initiation from trauma.

610
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<v Speaker 2>So in my opinion, there are more or less four

611
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 2>pathways to receive the first initiation, and that is the

612
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 2>three that I just mentioned. Some sort of powerful hallucinogenic

613
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>like probably DMT would be the one. Near death or

614
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 2>extreme trauma, extreme extreme trauma, or you're somebody who is

615
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.519
<v Speaker 2>aware of this knowledge and you read about it and

616
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.320
<v Speaker 2>you have that calling in your soul to walk this path.

617
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<v Speaker 2>So through rigorous discipline and focus and commitment, you willfully

618
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<v Speaker 2>follow the steps that I'm kind of about to briefly

619
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 2>go over to initiate this process of evolution within the

620
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:25.719
<v Speaker 2>body and the psyche, for the extra senses to begin

621
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.320
<v Speaker 2>to unfold, where you gain abilities like clairvoyance, to where

622
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 2>you begin to receive information from the spirit world or

623
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.679
<v Speaker 2>you see UFOs as we know them. But we know

624
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.159
<v Speaker 2>that it's more complicated than that, that it's a spiritual phenomenon.

625
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 2>So symptoms of initiation are things like spontaneous psychic appearances

626
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 2>or experiences appearing or having sightings of orbs of light,

627
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, interdimensional beings, being able to perceive higher worlds,

628
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 2>being able to proceed, angelic beings coming from other realities.

629
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you that I can be next to

630
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>somebody and this isn't about me. I'm just talking about

631
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.039
<v Speaker 2>my experience, right. I can be next to somebody who

632
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 2>has no interest in this stuff at all, no curiosity,

633
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 2>normal life baseline, no trauma, none of that other stuff.

634
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 2>None of these conditions required have been met, and we

635
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 2>can be out skywatching and I've been in many situations

636
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 2>like this, and either they will not see an orb

637
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason. Maybe I'll see it and they're looking away,

638
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 2>or they'll see it and they're just like flat affect,

639
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 2>like so is it a satellite? And I'm like, you

640
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 2>just saw that appear, you just saw a flash and

641
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 2>do this crazy thing, you know, like these kinds of

642
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 2>people there there's there's no It's like, there's no, there's

643
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 2>nothing there, you know what I mean. So I kind

644
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:56.239
<v Speaker 2>of forgot where I was going with that.

645
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:04.079
<v Speaker 3>I just not I'm trying to to articulate this correctly,

646
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 3>not that the skeptic is that way, but that.

647
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.159
<v Speaker 2>They're not evolved enough to see That's the point I

648
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>was trying to make, right, they can't see what you see, right, Yeah.

649
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But that's not like because I've had experiences with

650
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 3>people who are at first like that's a satellite and

651
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 3>then by the end of this guy watcher are like, Okay, no,

652
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 3>it's not. Yeah, So there's like even an evolution or

653
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:38.000
<v Speaker 3>an initiation if you will, that takes place through that

654
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:43.519
<v Speaker 3>one experience. But I think what you're trying, or I

655
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 3>think what you're getting at is the person who says,

656
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 3>who writes it off and walks away.

657
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

658
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because there's a difference between being skeptical and continuing

659
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.480
<v Speaker 3>to be curious. The skeptics they're curious. They're curious. Skeptical

660
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:01.519
<v Speaker 3>and curious is different than writing off and walking away. Yeah,

661
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 3>and that that's a good point. There's levels to this.

662
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 3>There's so many levels.

663
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:06.639
<v Speaker 2>It's not black and white. It's not it's not like

664
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.079
<v Speaker 2>there's many levels to this. There's people who are skeptical.

665
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 2>But even then skeptical people. You know, you have people

666
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.000
<v Speaker 2>whose whole life is being a skeptic about UFOs, but

667
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 2>they really like you. They're really into this topic. They

668
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>they want to know something, right, unless they're a CIA

669
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 2>plan And.

670
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, like on on my side of the room,

671
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 3>like it's different from me, right because I'm not you

672
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.639
<v Speaker 3>and I'm and I don't have a childhood full of

673
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 3>trauma about it. But I like I tend to generally

674
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 3>be okay with the healthy, curious skeptic because I'm not

675
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 3>afraid of this being challenged because I'm it's it's because

676
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 3>it's real.

677
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, it's totally fine with me. If you're skeptic.

678
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:55.199
<v Speaker 3>What you know, the frustrating bit is the I would

679
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.320
<v Speaker 3>say the opposite of that, right, the unhealthy, closed minded

680
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 3>never believer. There's a difference between being skeptic and being

681
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.480
<v Speaker 3>a never believer. Yeah, you know what I mean, But

682
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 3>that's a different episode.

683
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 2>No, and that's true. But the point I'm trying to

684
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 2>make in all of this, why am I even talking

685
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 2>about initiation in the first place, is because this is

686
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 2>a process that occurs within the individual, Okay, in order

687
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.159
<v Speaker 2>to see the orbs, in order to have profound spiritual

688
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and psychic experiences like seeing angelic beings or you know,

689
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe going out of body or doing some sort of crazy.

690
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:33.280
<v Speaker 2>There's a ton of different psychic things that we can do.

691
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, this isn't really the episode for that. But

692
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>in order to do those things, you have to have

693
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:49.840
<v Speaker 2>undergone the process of initiation. I'm not saying the ritual

694
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:55.519
<v Speaker 2>process of initiation. I'm saying the real process of initiation,

695
00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:02.639
<v Speaker 2>which is in your own being you have strived to

696
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:05.519
<v Speaker 2>spiritually develop, has nothing to do with being inside of

697
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:06.840
<v Speaker 2>a temple physically.

698
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:10.000
<v Speaker 3>And there's been some process of attunement. Yes, there's been

699
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:12.199
<v Speaker 3>a process looks different for everybody.

700
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 2>It does. It's not cutting dry man, it's not linear.

701
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Either it's like one step forward or two steps forward

702
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:18.760
<v Speaker 2>one step back.

703
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's not like one particular an organization's version

704
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 3>of initiation. This is like a very personal path that

705
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 3>someone's on.

706
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again I'm trying to say it has nothing

707
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:38.159
<v Speaker 2>to do with organization's initiation. The whole reason I wanted

708
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 2>to talk about that for the first half was to

709
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:43.719
<v Speaker 2>show how in history they went through such great lengths

710
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 2>to illustrate what this process is that occurs within every

711
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.679
<v Speaker 2>individual who walks on the path or the way as

712
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.559
<v Speaker 2>I call it, which I think, what do we say

713
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 2>two episodes from now, we're going to do that episode

714
00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 2>talk about the way? What is the way?

715
00:45:59.719 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Right?

716
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>In order to go through initiation, you have to be

717
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 2>committed to the spiritual path. But you know, life is

718
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.800
<v Speaker 2>very complex, human nature, reality, the spirits. It's very complex.

719
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>It's never black and white. Sometimes I've seen this many times.

720
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes what occurs is the actual sighting of the beings

721
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.840
<v Speaker 2>or the orbs is the initiation that is the catalyst

722
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 2>for people to have spiritual experiences. It's never black and white.

723
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>It's very complicated. Yeah, I was.

724
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.159
<v Speaker 3>Gonna say, like kind of similar to that too, Like

725
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 3>the ritualistic. Theatric version of initiation could be what begins

726
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.599
<v Speaker 3>the initiation in a sense of like you know, if

727
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:52.880
<v Speaker 3>you think about it in terms of like a secret society,

728
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:56.320
<v Speaker 3>you get you, you do the work, and you get

729
00:46:56.360 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 3>initiated into this thing, and then through some of like

730
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of placebo or feeling like you belong, you begin

731
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 3>to kind of start to walk the path and feel

732
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 3>connected to whatever you're connected to. Organizationally, I will tell.

733
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 2>You that with a lot of those orders, a lot

734
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.639
<v Speaker 2>of that initiation type stuff is more or less an

735
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:22.559
<v Speaker 2>attunement to thought forms or an actual spiritual force or

736
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 2>something that I like to call an egre gore, which

737
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:26.000
<v Speaker 2>is why the next episode don't want to do that,

738
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 2>because I want to talk about the importance of egregres

739
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.639
<v Speaker 2>and that'll cover things like why is Jesus real? Why

740
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 2>should we care? You know, find out next week, I guess.

741
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:39.519
<v Speaker 2>But you know, these are very real forces, right, So, like,

742
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 2>let's say I've become just because I've been talking about rescrutions.

743
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.119
<v Speaker 2>You could just pick one, but I'll say rescrution because

744
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:49.920
<v Speaker 2>that's that's been a very easy resource to quote, right

745
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 2>because they're still active today. Let's say I become a RESOCRUSI.

746
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, sorry, I've got a good example. I'm you go ahead.

747
00:47:56.960 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 2>The rescrutions have more or less created an egregre or,

748
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 2>also known as a thought form of the Rosicrucians. So

749
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.639
<v Speaker 2>everybody who's become initiated into that order, I really should

750
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 2>be saving this for next week. Everybody who's become, you know,

751
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>initiated into that order, they're more or less inviting that

752
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.760
<v Speaker 2>that force, that that actual, real spiritual energy that exists

753
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:26.639
<v Speaker 2>in the realm of thought because it's been charged by

754
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:32.400
<v Speaker 2>millions of souls for thousands of years. So anyway, we'll

755
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>talk more about that next week. I don't want to

756
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 2>get ahead of myself. What were you going to say?

757
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:38.400
<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, in a non religious sense,

758
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:40.960
<v Speaker 3>like the Hell's Angels.

759
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a similar thing.

760
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.599
<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of like it gets weird because then

761
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 3>I start kind of trailing off and I think brand

762
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:55.480
<v Speaker 3>ethos like working at Nike or like these huge global ideas.

763
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Of that's an egrego, you know what I mean?

764
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, just to get away from the religion for

765
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:03.840
<v Speaker 3>a second. Yeah, because it's not all religious. No, but

766
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 3>but but is the next week?

767
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.800
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, yeah, no. But it's all real though, right,

768
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:10.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, it doesn't have to be attached to a

769
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 2>religion to be real because the truth is, that's how

770
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 2>the universe operates. Nike's and Egregore in the same way

771
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Christianity is in Ingregor. Right, Christianity is a more powerful

772
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 2>one because it's you know, a spiritual force. But you

773
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 2>can't say that there's not kids out there that are like, mom,

774
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 2>please please, I want forces for Christmas. Let's talk about

775
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 2>a spiritual force. Let's talk about air force. Right, Yeah,

776
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not plugging air forces. I'm just saying the example

777
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.639
<v Speaker 2>that it is a it is a force. You know,

778
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.800
<v Speaker 2>it's a it's an Egregore. It's a real force because

779
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.239
<v Speaker 2>that's how the universe works, and everything exists within the

780
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 2>realm of mind, and there are dimensions that are no

781
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 2>physical matter entirely in they're purely psychic thought. These egregoric

782
00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:00.679
<v Speaker 2>forces and in some cases entities like malevl spirits that

783
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.039
<v Speaker 2>people in this world are creating through greed and darkness,

784
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and like we talked about in the way TKO Dark

785
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Force episode, Uh, those are malevolent more or less entities

786
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I believe that have become personified because they're created through

787
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:16.760
<v Speaker 2>our dark thoughts, right, and there's obviously good ones too,

788
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:19.239
<v Speaker 2>And then aside from that, there are entities that exist

789
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.679
<v Speaker 2>before we were created, like angels. Right. It's it's very

790
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:27.559
<v Speaker 2>complicated what exists out there in the universe. But yeah, so,

791
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>but I want to stress that I'm not like convincing,

792
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:32.239
<v Speaker 2>and the point of this episode is not to say

793
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 2>sign up for an order today. That's not the point.

794
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:37.440
<v Speaker 2>The point I wanted to highlight is that this initiation

795
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 2>process is something that is required that everyone goes through.

796
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Let's delineate between the play and the drama of initiation

797
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.360
<v Speaker 2>and the real multi dimensional nature of you could say

798
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 2>initiation or awakening or nosis. So let's change the word

799
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.679
<v Speaker 2>for a moment. Let's talk about nosis, because because nosis

800
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 2>is the true initiation, right, So what is nosis? Nosis

801
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:11.760
<v Speaker 2>is when you finally awaken or become illuminated to the

802
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:19.320
<v Speaker 2>truth that you are a multi dimensional immortal being who,

803
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.199
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, for better or for worse, are having

804
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:27.320
<v Speaker 2>a temporary experience in the Earth life plane, that you

805
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:31.960
<v Speaker 2>are not here permanently, that you're here for a very

806
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 2>brief time, but that your soul comes from the permanent

807
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 2>place It comes from the source of all thought, all life,

808
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.559
<v Speaker 2>all existence, all consciousness. It comes from the One True God.

809
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.079
<v Speaker 2>You're a tiny little spark, like when you see the

810
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Sun and you think of like the rays lashing off

811
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 2>the Sun and all those you know, plasma waves or

812
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:56.239
<v Speaker 2>whatever they call it, and you think, you know, how

813
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:59.599
<v Speaker 2>big is the sun? Rhetorical question. It's huge, right, It's

814
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.119
<v Speaker 2>like of times bigger than the Earth something like that.

815
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sitting here googling numbers. I don't need to,

816
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 2>but you get the point.

817
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 3>How do you measure that? Though?

818
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Dude, I don't know lasers, but I think they say lasers, right,

819
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.760
<v Speaker 2>But the Sun is enormous. It's way bigger than the Earth. Right.

820
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.599
<v Speaker 2>But think about for light to exist, there's got to

821
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 2>be I don't know a number, so I'm just gonna

822
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 2>say trillions and trillions and trillions of photons. I'm pretty

823
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 2>sure that for you to even observe a spec of light,

824
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:35.320
<v Speaker 2>that has to be a collection of like sixty photons

825
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.119
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. So a light that big, the Sun,

826
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the biggest light in our solar system, how many photons

827
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:49.159
<v Speaker 2>is that? It's an unfathomable, inconceivable number. I mean I

828
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:53.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that could be calculated. Possibly every one

829
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>of those little individual photons that make up the light

830
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.599
<v Speaker 2>of the sun as we understand it, that's.

831
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.199
<v Speaker 3>Like our souls ten to the forty fifth power every second.

832
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.800
<v Speaker 2>That's an inconceivable number, And that's photons coming from the sun.

833
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking like, look at the ball, look at the disc,

834
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:15.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever it is that collection, how many photons

835
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 2>of that do We can't even fathom that. We can't

836
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.639
<v Speaker 2>our brains can't compute that. The only way you could

837
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 2>compute that is if you go up there and you

838
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:24.840
<v Speaker 2>measure it. Nothing can touch it. It burns to a

839
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:30.000
<v Speaker 2>crisp right, all those little photons that make up the sun.

840
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.280
<v Speaker 2>That's like an allegory of all the different consciousnesses that

841
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.440
<v Speaker 2>emanate from the one true God that's the source of

842
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 2>all life and all creation. So this is the initiation.

843
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>This is the nosis that you're an immortal being and

844
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 2>that you're having a spiritual experience, that the purpose you

845
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.119
<v Speaker 2>come here for is to evolve to the next level

846
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 2>of understanding. That we get caught up in the game.

847
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, Hey, look I play the game. I have

848
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.559
<v Speaker 2>a wife and a on the way, I've paid taxes,

849
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I play video games, I do fun stuff, I consume art,

850
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I do all that same stuff everybody else does. To

851
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:12.599
<v Speaker 2>a degree, we get distracted by the pleasures of life

852
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and by the routine of life. But even life itself

853
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:23.199
<v Speaker 2>is an allegory for the you know, like the cycles

854
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 2>of life, right, our little being a baby and then

855
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.400
<v Speaker 2>becoming an adult, and then becoming old, and then dying

856
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and returning and then we're reborn. All of that is

857
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:36.400
<v Speaker 2>just allegories of higher order concepts that are beyond our

858
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 2>human understand Everything is like everything down here in the

859
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:44.199
<v Speaker 2>earth life plane is like little, tiny, microcosmic dramas of

860
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:48.760
<v Speaker 2>the greater spiritual truths. If you look at any spiritual symbol,

861
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>it has many meanings. If you look at the unk

862
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.039
<v Speaker 2>right you stand it up, you have the circle on

863
00:54:55.119 --> 00:55:00.039
<v Speaker 2>top the cross. In one respect it means the on

864
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:07.039
<v Speaker 2>is crossing over the nile. In another respect, it is uh,

865
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:12.480
<v Speaker 2>the ovaries and the male genitals. It's the masculine and

866
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the feminine. And there's even more meanings than that that

867
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I can't recall off the top of my head. I

868
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.440
<v Speaker 2>have to get my egypt guy on here. But that's

869
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:22.159
<v Speaker 2>just two off the top of my head. Like two

870
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.639
<v Speaker 2>definitions of one symbol. How can it mean two things?

871
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.840
<v Speaker 2>It can mean a lot of things because life is

872
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 2>multi dimensional. You look at a templar cross, they say

873
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.440
<v Speaker 2>it's the sun, right, It's also a to roidal field,

874
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:41.760
<v Speaker 2>many things you look at. I'm blanking on symbols right now.

875
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.519
<v Speaker 2>The pentagram but not them. The fish, well sure, I

876
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:48.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Yeah, the vesica pisces. Right. You look at

877
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.519
<v Speaker 2>the pentacle with the five point of star turning up

878
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.239
<v Speaker 2>with the circle. They say that, you know, if you

879
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.400
<v Speaker 2>divide the lines and the sections of that, it gives

880
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 2>you the perfect mathematical ratio for spirals. Okay, well, we

881
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 2>know that that is one of the primordial expressions of

882
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 2>how consciousness moves through dimensions, right, according to these ancient traditions.

883
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.800
<v Speaker 2>But then also you could look at it as the

884
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 2>five elements. The top is spirit, firewater, earth, air, that

885
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 2>it represents all five of the elements. So symbols always

886
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:23.679
<v Speaker 2>have multiple meanings. That's because truth in life is multidimensional.

887
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Human life is multi dimensional. Things have multiple meanings. On

888
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:34.199
<v Speaker 2>one level, saying I love you to my wife and

889
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.079
<v Speaker 2>getting married and raising a family is you know, just

890
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 2>the normal thing. It's just what I do on earth.

891
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:44.840
<v Speaker 2>It's same with you, same with everybody. We all do it.

892
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 2>It's part of you know, what we do. We just

893
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:48.719
<v Speaker 2>find somebody and we you know, we want to partner.

894
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 2>We don't want to be alone. We want to find

895
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:51.679
<v Speaker 2>love in this world. We want to do our thing.

896
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Most most people, you know, they have kids, whatever their

897
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 2>their thing looks like that they want to do. On

898
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:03.800
<v Speaker 2>a higher level, it's like your higher self choosing to

899
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:08.599
<v Speaker 2>come here to express these things so that you experience

900
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 2>all these different perspectives and grow on a soul level.

901
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 2>So things have multiple, multiple meanings. They have meanings from

902
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:21.599
<v Speaker 2>the perspective of our experience down here on Earth and

903
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.679
<v Speaker 2>how we perceive them and experience them. Then they have

904
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:30.480
<v Speaker 2>the perspective of the higher dimensions, which are way way

905
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:35.199
<v Speaker 2>more complicated levels of reasoning and understanding of such basic

906
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.960
<v Speaker 2>things as like, well, when you express love on the

907
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:41.800
<v Speaker 2>physical level, and I don't just mean romantic, I just

908
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.440
<v Speaker 2>mean a kind act in the realm of frequency and

909
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:51.960
<v Speaker 2>energy and spirit, you are uniting opposed forces and attracting

910
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>them together. So on the one hand, it's like, dude,

911
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 2>you look good in that shirt. Down on the human level,

912
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that's yeah, that was really nice, thank you. But on

913
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.679
<v Speaker 2>the spiritual level, there is a power and a force

914
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:08.639
<v Speaker 2>behind that expressed act of kindness that is drawing your

915
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:14.639
<v Speaker 2>magnetic field closer to mine. You see what I'm saying.

916
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Multi dimensional? It's always multi.

917
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 3>Dimension it again, give me another compliment, and I'm just kidding.

918
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Can I say something unrelated, completely unrelated? Sure? And I

919
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.360
<v Speaker 3>just want to preface this by saying, there's plenty of

920
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.320
<v Speaker 3>people smarter than me out there, and in fact, I'm

921
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:36.239
<v Speaker 3>the dumbest person in the room. I'm looking at the

922
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 3>cross section like the inside of a sun according to

923
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.800
<v Speaker 3>a diagram on a website, and I'm sitting here thinking

924
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:50.599
<v Speaker 3>about fundamentally believing that this cross section of the sun

925
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 3>showing me the inside of the sun is accurate. Is

926
00:58:53.679 --> 00:59:00.239
<v Speaker 3>just as much of a leap as like religious like

927
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.960
<v Speaker 3>it's like faith yep, from a higher I'm not I'm

928
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.159
<v Speaker 3>not gonna get on my son denying soapbox here. I'm

929
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:09.800
<v Speaker 3>just saying I've never been to the middle of the sun.

930
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.280
<v Speaker 3>No one's ever been in the middle of the sun.

931
00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 3>No one's ever cut the sun open or even probed it.

932
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.760
<v Speaker 2>So well, you know, there's something to that. There's a

933
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:26.079
<v Speaker 2>religion of people who have uh very very serious reasons

934
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.639
<v Speaker 2>to convince people of a certain model of the universe

935
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.320
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't leave any room for consciousness or spirit.

936
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.480
<v Speaker 3>That model is okay to believe in this image of

937
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.800
<v Speaker 3>the sun that I found online. It's also okay to

938
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.039
<v Speaker 3>believe in Jesus Christ.

939
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all.

940
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:41.360
<v Speaker 3>I can't.

941
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:44.679
<v Speaker 2>I can't. Yeah, But so so let me let me

942
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.000
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like I want to wrap up. Yeah,

943
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to get back on track. No nor No,

944
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:50.199
<v Speaker 2>not at all. I'm just saying I want to wrap

945
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:51.960
<v Speaker 2>up shortly, so I'm going to kind of pound out

946
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.599
<v Speaker 2>the last little bit here. But I just wanted to

947
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:58.800
<v Speaker 2>stress that to me, initiation means that you are you

948
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:02.400
<v Speaker 2>more or less have passed through window of perception where

949
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.559
<v Speaker 2>there is some event outer and inner that have occurred

950
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:09.480
<v Speaker 2>in your life where you don't see things the same anymore.

951
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.679
<v Speaker 2>The spiritually, you evolve to a new level of understanding.

952
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:15.960
<v Speaker 2>You look at people differently and you think, you know,

953
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:19.320
<v Speaker 2>they've probably just had a bad day, that's why he's

954
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:23.159
<v Speaker 2>treating me that way, or that person is a malevolent spirit.

955
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:26.119
<v Speaker 2>I can't trust them because they don't have any spiritual

956
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:29.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, understanding or capacity in their life, and they

957
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.440
<v Speaker 2>are very dark and malevolent, and I don't want them

958
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.440
<v Speaker 2>in my field. You know, you just start to think

959
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:36.280
<v Speaker 2>about things differently when you reach new levels of understanding

960
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:40.679
<v Speaker 2>of things. And having seen thousands of people in my

961
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:45.320
<v Speaker 2>life literally in person and otherwise go through different levels

962
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:48.199
<v Speaker 2>of you know, just on the one hand, having ORB

963
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:52.400
<v Speaker 2>sightings and how it completely blows their mind and change

964
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:56.000
<v Speaker 2>their lives. You never know what you're gonna get, but

965
01:00:56.079 --> 01:01:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the point is people get something, you know, they completely change.

966
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:04.840
<v Speaker 2>They go through these it's like a portal where you

967
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:08.320
<v Speaker 2>just have these realizations, Like the ORB is so powerful,

968
01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:11.639
<v Speaker 2>seeing the orbs, the beings, the angels. It's so powerful

969
01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:16.000
<v Speaker 2>because even it is multi dimensional because on the one hand,

970
01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:21.159
<v Speaker 2>in order to see it, you have to be spiritually

971
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:23.840
<v Speaker 2>evolved to a certain level to where your actual senses

972
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 2>are able to perceive it, which I do believe has

973
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:32.599
<v Speaker 2>to do with the development of the pineal gland. But

974
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:37.880
<v Speaker 2>then on the other hand, the event itself, which is

975
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:44.639
<v Speaker 2>seeing it, serves as a catalyst for this evolutionary process.

976
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:47.079
<v Speaker 2>So sometimes I feel like it's the chicken or the egg,

977
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.480
<v Speaker 2>which one comes first. Either way, they're linked. There's something

978
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:59.559
<v Speaker 2>to be noted about seeing beings of light or what

979
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:04.119
<v Speaker 2>most people will understand his UFOs and having an initiatory

980
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:09.199
<v Speaker 2>spiritual awakening event, and that they were intrinsically linked. So

981
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.880
<v Speaker 2>for the people at home, what should I do? How

982
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.679
<v Speaker 2>do I see this? Where should I you know, how

983
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Speaker 2>should I better myself? Well, let me just get to

984
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Rudolf Steiner. Rudolf Steiner is really cool. I believe he

985
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.599
<v Speaker 2>lived in the eighteen hundreds. I know we did an

986
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:25.440
<v Speaker 2>episode on him. I'm going to just kind of briefly

987
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:30.039
<v Speaker 2>glaze by him. But Rudolf Steiner could be said to

988
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:32.800
<v Speaker 2>be as far as the public is concerned with, just

989
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:35.159
<v Speaker 2>like being an author, writing books, putting it out there.

990
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:38.159
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to, you know, go through any initiation

991
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 2>process or whatever. Rudolf Steiner is probably the most prolific

992
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:55.199
<v Speaker 2>publicly available Rosicrusian thinker. He probably other than like the

993
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:59.480
<v Speaker 2>orders themselves, he probably has given the most to the

994
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:03.800
<v Speaker 2>world about the science of initiation in the path of

995
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:07.559
<v Speaker 2>developing the psychic sensus. I mean, he has tons of books, dude,

996
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:12.280
<v Speaker 2>like knowledge of higher worlds and how to perceive them

997
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:15.199
<v Speaker 2>or how to attain them, the Way of Initiation, occult

998
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.159
<v Speaker 2>science and stuff like that. Like he has so many

999
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.239
<v Speaker 2>books just laying this out for the layman. You just

1000
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.199
<v Speaker 2>buy the book and read it. It's right there. You

1001
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:26.000
<v Speaker 2>don't have to do any secret anything, you know. So

1002
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:33.039
<v Speaker 2>what I like about Rudolph Steiner is he started his

1003
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:37.559
<v Speaker 2>own movement basically called anthroposophy, and he actually was more

1004
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.119
<v Speaker 2>or less we talked about this on the Steiner episode.

1005
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 2>He was more or less removed from theosophy or he

1006
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.639
<v Speaker 2>just like quit, but he was a part of it

1007
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 2>at one point, and he he just phased out of

1008
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:52.920
<v Speaker 2>it because he wasn't perfectly aligned with it and he

1009
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.400
<v Speaker 2>saw things different. And I'm more of a Steiner guy.

1010
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I think Steiner is very profound. And that night many

1011
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.119
<v Speaker 2>years ago when I was in Asheville and I hung

1012
01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:03.360
<v Speaker 2>out with doctor Gilbert, that was one of the things

1013
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.320
<v Speaker 2>he kept getting me on was Rudolf Steiner. He was like,

1014
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:09.039
<v Speaker 2>all about Rudolf Steiner, and he's very legit. I think

1015
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Rudolf Steiner is very profound. He's one of the greatest

1016
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:17.480
<v Speaker 2>thinkers in human history. And without rambling anymore, the whole

1017
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:22.559
<v Speaker 2>point is that the Steiner approach is all about walking

1018
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:25.760
<v Speaker 2>this path without an authority, without a higher power. You

1019
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:27.079
<v Speaker 2>don't have to go to some order, you don't have

1020
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to go to church. Those are great, Those are fine.

1021
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:31.199
<v Speaker 2>You can do those things. You don't have to not

1022
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:33.199
<v Speaker 2>do the things you want to do as long as

1023
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 2>they're good and they bring you value and benefit to

1024
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:39.000
<v Speaker 2>your life. Right. But the point is, truly you don't

1025
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:44.440
<v Speaker 2>need those things. It's like riding a bicycle. Okay, Well,

1026
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.119
<v Speaker 2>if you want to leave the training wills on because

1027
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.800
<v Speaker 2>it makes you happy and you're more comfortable, that's totally fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you can ride with training wheels on, there's nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, no, you have to take those off. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you become an adept at riding a bicycle, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't need your father or your mother's hand on your

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<v Speaker 2>back holding you up anymore. And you don't need the

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<v Speaker 2>training wheels. You can balance straight down the middle on

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<v Speaker 2>your own, and you can keep the bicycle vertical and

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<v Speaker 2>you can ride it without assistance. That's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual path. Like if you want that assistance, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>power to you. I'm not going to judge you. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think anybody should. But you don't need those things

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<v Speaker 2>because God is within sight of you, it's directly inside

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<v Speaker 2>of you. You are completely divine and come from God

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<v Speaker 2>in the original source of all life and all creations.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of that material and information can be found

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<v Speaker 2>within you, and you can walk the path because the

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<v Speaker 2>Guru or the Master does not have the power to

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<v Speaker 2>make you walk the path or give you the ability.

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<v Speaker 2>All they can do is guide you or teach you.

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<v Speaker 2>But really it's because you are equally a special as them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So. Rudolph Steiner's interpretation of initiation,

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<v Speaker 2>often translated from German as Einweihung, is central to his

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01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:15.039
<v Speaker 2>anthroposophical teachings on spiritual development. He describes it as the

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<v Speaker 2>culmination of a deliberate modern path of esoteric training that

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<v Speaker 2>allows individuals to consciously access higher spiritual worlds and gain

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01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:26.320
<v Speaker 2>direct knowledge of supersensible realities. This is not an ancient,

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<v Speaker 2>secretive temple ritual bestowed by priests, as in older mystery

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<v Speaker 2>traditions like Egyptian or Rosicrucian paths, but a self initiated

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<v Speaker 2>process accessible to anyone who cultivates the necessary inner faculties

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<v Speaker 2>through moral, meditative, and cognitive exercises and his key work,

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<v Speaker 2>Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and its Attainment, also published

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<v Speaker 2>as How to Know Higher Worlds or The Way of Initiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Steiner outlines Initiation is the third and highest of the

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<v Speaker 2>three main stages in spiritual schooling Number one preparation. This

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<v Speaker 2>evolves cultivating reverence, enter tranquility, moral purity, and control over

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts and feelings. It awakens dormant soul capacities and begins

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<v Speaker 2>to form subtle organs of spiritual perception Enlightenment or illumination

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<v Speaker 2>Step two and illumination through meditative contemplation like focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>natural objects like stones or plants, or animals, and eventually

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01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.320
<v Speaker 2>human beings, one develops clairvoyant like perception of spiritual forces

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<v Speaker 2>and colors flowing from beings. This stage builds inerlight and

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<v Speaker 2>insight into the etheric and astral realms. Initiation number three.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the stage where the soul unites fully with

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual world, enabling direct experience of higher realities see

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<v Speaker 2>in orbs people. It involves confronting and pasting symbolic trials,

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<v Speaker 2>the fire trial for the strength of character and will,

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<v Speaker 2>the water trial for control over emotions, and reliance on

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01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:51.559
<v Speaker 2>spiritual writing or intuitive grammar. Remember we talk about the

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01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:55.119
<v Speaker 2>allegory of Jesus walking on water. Perhaps it really means

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01:07:55.280 --> 01:08:01.039
<v Speaker 2>learning to be in control of your emotions. The air

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01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:04.360
<v Speaker 2>trial for freedom and thought and commitment to truth, And

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<v Speaker 2>I guess there's no earth trial that I'm seeing here.

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<v Speaker 2>These trials test the initiates maturity, ensuring they can handle

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual knowledge without egoism or illusion. That's important. Steiner emphasizes

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01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:20.680
<v Speaker 2>that true initiation accelerates what would otherwise unfold over many incarnations.

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<v Speaker 2>It grants knowledge and proficiency in the spiritual realms it

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<v Speaker 2>cannot be obtained otherwise in our current era. The initiate

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01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:33.239
<v Speaker 2>gains continuity of consciousness beyond sleep and death, encounters the

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<v Speaker 2>guardian of the threshold of being, representing one's own unresolved

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01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:42.079
<v Speaker 2>karma and lower nature. So coming into contact with your

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01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:47.600
<v Speaker 2>ego is it's usually pretty frightening and scary, and ultimately

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01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:51.800
<v Speaker 2>transforms their being to perceive divine truths directly. Importantly, Steiner

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01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:57.720
<v Speaker 2>stresses ethical prerequisites initiation or spiritual initiation. Again, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>talking about ritual here. I wanted to end with the

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01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Steiner bit to talk about the individual process, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>Steiner stresses ethical prerequisites. Initiation demands modesty, patience, reverence, moral integrity,

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01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:21.159
<v Speaker 2>and service to others. Without these attempts at spiritual development

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01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:26.119
<v Speaker 2>can lead to hardening of the heart, delusion, or danger.

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<v Speaker 2>He presents this as a modern path suited to the

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01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:34.600
<v Speaker 2>current age, rooted in Rosicrucian traditions, but adopted for free

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01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:40.840
<v Speaker 2>individual striving rather than guru dependent submission. For deeper reading,

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01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:42.680
<v Speaker 2>you could check out Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and

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01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:46.520
<v Speaker 2>its attainment. There's chapters on the stages of initiation and

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01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.560
<v Speaker 2>also on initiation the mysteries of initiation. He gives lectures

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<v Speaker 2>on historical and modern forms of it. And you know,

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01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:58.119
<v Speaker 2>the Steiner path is practical and experiential when you follow

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01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:02.479
<v Speaker 2>his exercises persistently. The belief is that, or rather the experience,

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01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.800
<v Speaker 2>is that new spiritual organs form. And I do believe

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<v Speaker 2>with modern science and understanding of this subject and phenomenology

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01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:18.159
<v Speaker 2>studying experiences like my family and other people, we know

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01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:23.520
<v Speaker 2>that continually having profound spiritual experiences actually evolves parts of

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01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the brain. Right, So the point of that is I

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01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:35.479
<v Speaker 2>wanted to stress to people the notion that there is

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01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:39.159
<v Speaker 2>a process that actually occurs within the individual when walking

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual path.

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<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 2>The most important path I believe is what I like

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01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:54.279
<v Speaker 2>to call the way. I believe that is consisting of

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01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, great moral character, having virtue, having ideals. Why

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<v Speaker 2>is it called the way? Well, I just came up

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01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:08.359
<v Speaker 2>with that because there's a million things you could call it,

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01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's just a very easy, pretty nondescript thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like Jesus says, I am the Way and

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<v Speaker 2>the truth in the life and can get to the

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<v Speaker 2>Father except through me. Well you even know that according

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, Gnostic tradition. It is elaborated on the

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01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:29.600
<v Speaker 2>notion that it's not about you know, worshiping Jesus or

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01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.800
<v Speaker 2>anything like that, but it's more or less he's inviting

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01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.800
<v Speaker 2>you to follow along on the path that he is

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01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:41.199
<v Speaker 2>treading that you can do this too, that if you

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<v Speaker 2>live like I do, that if you use me as

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<v Speaker 2>an example and you behave this way, you love your neighbor,

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<v Speaker 2>you love your God as you love yourself. It says

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the Book of John, when I

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<v Speaker 2>leave here, you guys are going to do more miracles

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<v Speaker 2>than me. And no amount of books in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Every basically like all the pages of every book in

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<v Speaker 2>the way will be filled with the miracles that you

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<v Speaker 2>guys will be able to achieve when I leave, is

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<v Speaker 2>what he was saying. So the spiritual evolution is something

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<v Speaker 2>that is faded to occur in all of us, but

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<v Speaker 2>I believe now in the era that we're in, it's

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<v Speaker 2>more important than ever to walk this path. So there's

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01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:21.279
<v Speaker 2>not going to be a moment where you're like, oh,

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01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm having my initiation unless you're you know, a part

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01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.279
<v Speaker 2>of an order or something. But otherwise it's a call

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01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:34.319
<v Speaker 2>to have great moral character, virtue, treating people with kindness

1145
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and love and respect, not being hateful and lacking empathy

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01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:41.680
<v Speaker 2>for other people, you know. Following on from last week's episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe there is a divergence of consciousness happening

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01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:51.439
<v Speaker 2>between good and evil, and I think it's more important

1149
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:56.600
<v Speaker 2>than ever to cultivate goodness and the spiritual path in

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01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:01.840
<v Speaker 2>our lives because, you know, reality itself is changing. I

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01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:06.479
<v Speaker 2>believe the actual dimension that we live in, in my belief,

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01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.199
<v Speaker 2>it is fractured and it is beginning to split. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a physical thing that is invisible, but that

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01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.600
<v Speaker 2>is more or less reflected in the way that people

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01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:24.720
<v Speaker 2>on earth, begin to feel, think, perceive, and behave. And

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<v Speaker 2>there are many of us around the world who is like,

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01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:30.000
<v Speaker 2>this is pretty awesome. I go outside and I talk

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01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:33.560
<v Speaker 2>to the night skuy, I see angels, amazing things happen

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01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:37.199
<v Speaker 2>around me. But then there's other people that all they

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01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.920
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about is politics. All they want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about is the negative stuff happening in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>For them, it's hell. It's not hell.

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<v Speaker 1>For me.

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01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.079
<v Speaker 2>I see a lot of bad things are happening out

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01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.720
<v Speaker 2>there in the world. I get that, but it doesn't

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01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:54.880
<v Speaker 2>have to be hell. That's that's not true to me.

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01:13:55.680 --> 01:14:00.840
<v Speaker 2>That's not my experience. My experience is that I am

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01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:08.039
<v Speaker 2>surrounded by goodness and angelic entities and there is really bad,

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01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:15.239
<v Speaker 2>negative things happening out there that I'm just like, oh,

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01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:19.319
<v Speaker 2>that's terrible, you know, send them love and move on, Alex,

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01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:21.600
<v Speaker 2>let's go record. I want to inspire some people today,

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01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So, like, that's that's the

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01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:25.920
<v Speaker 2>difference that there are many people in this world who

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01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.840
<v Speaker 2>all life is for them as hell. They can't they can't,

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01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.359
<v Speaker 2>They're they're like going mad from the trap of what's

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01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.920
<v Speaker 2>what's being told to them and how they're being programmed

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01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:39.239
<v Speaker 2>to think and believe they're on autopilot and they don't have,

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01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:43.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, that that cultivated awareness to be able to

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01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:47.640
<v Speaker 2>see through illusion. But anyway, I think it's more important

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01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:50.079
<v Speaker 2>than ever for all of us to, you know, just

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01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:52.840
<v Speaker 2>do the best we can what we got, you know,

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01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:55.760
<v Speaker 2>stay positive, any thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>No good episode, good job.

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<v Speaker 2>We're both wearing white today.

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01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:07.199
<v Speaker 3>That's right, but that's also me every episode. You're jumping

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01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:09.680
<v Speaker 3>my bandwagon. But you look great in that shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait to make that positive I did at the end.

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01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:15.239
<v Speaker 2>You look great. Yeah, you're right, you did it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hi guys, the weird things happened in the backyard

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<v Speaker 1>and left out

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<v Speaker 3>The weird, weird, weird