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Speaker 2: This week, I wanted to talk about a topic that
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Speaker 2: without further ado, I want to just kind of move
Speaker 2: into the topic of initiation. What do you think of
Speaker 2: when I say initiation.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of things, really, And I've been
Speaker 3: thinking about this all day because I knew you were
Speaker 3: gonna ask me. But I tend to kind of think
Speaker 3: of like secret societies to immediately, or secret clubs or
Speaker 3: fraternities or you know, things of that nature where sure,
Speaker 3: where they're kind of needs to be some barrier for entry, right,
Speaker 3: you've got to weed out the people who really want
Speaker 3: to be there. And you know, I don't I don't
Speaker 3: really endorse gangs, but I do kind of like the
Speaker 3: concept of initiation. Like I'm pretty fond of the concept
Speaker 3: as far as like who really wants.
Speaker 2: To be here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like violence I don't, like, I don't
Speaker 3: or hazing or anything like that, not of that nature,
Speaker 3: but like I am pretty fond of an initiation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a cool concept, right, So I'm just going
Speaker 2: to start with the definition. This is like Wikipedia, very
Speaker 2: bare bones, not like esoterically interpreted or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Initiation is a right of passage, marking entrance or acceptance
Speaker 2: into a group or society. It could also be a
Speaker 2: formal admission to adulthood in a community or one of
Speaker 2: its formal components. In an extended sense, it can also
Speaker 2: signify a transformation in which the initiate is reborn into
Speaker 2: a new role. So this is like the standard definition
Speaker 2: just conceptually of what the word initiation means. Obviously, on
Speaker 2: Bletso said, so, what I want to focus about is
Speaker 2: the spiritual understanding of initiation in what it is. But
Speaker 2: I think that this term is very complex, and as
Speaker 2: you said, when we hear the word initiation, we think
Speaker 2: of a ritual or we think of some drama or play,
Speaker 2: and those do happen, and those are real and true,
Speaker 2: they are initiations. But in the understanding on the deeper levels,
Speaker 2: it's a spiritual process that unfolds within the individual. It
Speaker 2: is a part of the evolutionary cycle of humankind that
Speaker 2: as we are evolving the psychic faculties, we undergo the
Speaker 2: initiation process, which is multiple levels of the psychic senses
Speaker 2: unfolding as we reach higher levels of realization and develop
Speaker 2: the actual organs, according to Rudolph Steiner, and the faculties
Speaker 2: within the actual physical human body to have a higher
Speaker 2: perception of spiritual realities. So it's so much more than
Speaker 2: just a play or a drama or anything like that.
Speaker 2: And in fact, the I'm just gonna go ahead and
Speaker 2: quote Rudolph Steiner, let me let me back up. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna quote doctor Gilbert. Who's quoting doctor Rudolph Steiner. Doctor
Speaker 2: Robert Gilbert rest in peace. He is a wonderful human
Speaker 2: being who just even spending one evening with him completely
Speaker 2: changed my life. It was either last year or the
Speaker 2: year before. It's been a while now in time blurs,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't too long ago. He very suddenly passed away,
Speaker 2: and I think it was a big shock to the
Speaker 2: sort of metaphysical space. He was prolific. He was just
Speaker 2: very impactful and probably one of the most profound modern
Speaker 2: Rosicrucian thinkers, and it was because of him that I
Speaker 2: became very fascinated and Rosicrucianism in the first place. So anyway,
Speaker 2: rest in peace, doctor Gilbert. But this is a quote
Speaker 2: from one of his lectures from back when he was living.
Speaker 2: Initiation rituals present an allegorical form the process of spiritual development.
Speaker 2: So when you think of long ago, in the times
Speaker 2: of Egypt, ancient Greece, you know, Persia, India, Tibet, China,
Speaker 2: where Buddhism was very prevalent in the East as it
Speaker 2: was you know, forming Hinduism all that stuff, they all
Speaker 2: had these different kinds of ritual initiations. Maybe there's the
Speaker 2: concept of the priest in the west or the guru
Speaker 2: in the east, right, and it's it's more or less
Speaker 2: I don't want to say authoritarian, because that's not the
Speaker 2: right connotation, but it's it's a hierarchy. There's a high
Speaker 2: archical structure of temple tradition, you know, where you go
Speaker 2: to the temple to receive instruction from a master. So
Speaker 2: in the way ancient past, probably starting back in the
Speaker 2: times of Egypt, they had the mystery schools, and they
Speaker 2: had the temples within the pyramids and all over Egypt
Speaker 2: where you would go to these temples and you would
Speaker 2: you would receive knowledge. But back in these days, you
Speaker 2: had to more or less prove you were a worthy candidate, right,
Speaker 2: you had to walk a certain path for a while
Speaker 2: to be deemed worthy to be brought into the inner temple,
Speaker 2: to receive the mysteries which even then, even all the
Speaker 2: way back then, the mysteries that were dispensed to worthy
Speaker 2: candidates or initiates as they would become, had to be earned.
Speaker 2: You have this kind of allegorical sense of you know,
Speaker 2: wielding milner Thor's hammer, or the legend of finding the
Speaker 2: Holy Grail or pulling King Arthur's sword from the stone.
Speaker 2: All of these are just allegories for receiving inner, spiritual
Speaker 2: and initiations by following the way, the spiritual way or
Speaker 2: the path and unfolding the psychic senses through the development
Speaker 2: of moral, spiritual all of these faculties that make you
Speaker 2: a good person, more devoted to your family, to your friends,
Speaker 2: your community, being kind hearted, all of these qualities. You
Speaker 2: had to prove devotion to these, and some traditions even
Speaker 2: held vowels of silence like I believe we did an
Speaker 2: episode on the Esscenes, right, and we talked about the
Speaker 2: Therapeute of Egypt. I think they had like a year
Speaker 2: long silent period or something like that, and all of
Speaker 2: that was just to prove to the masters. All Right,
Speaker 2: this dude's for real. He really wants the mysteries, right,
Speaker 2: what are the mysteries? Well, now we know that, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to read from actual Rosicrucian resources here in
Speaker 2: a moment, but we know that the mysteries were very
Speaker 2: power were full multi dimensional knowledge about consciousness and about
Speaker 2: the nature of reality and the subject and condition that
Speaker 2: we are in here in earth life, and the truth
Speaker 2: of God and the source that all creation emanates from.
Speaker 2: So the esoteric thread, right, when you think like the
Speaker 2: Gnostic tradition, the Hermetic tradition, the Rosicrucians, the alchemists, the
Speaker 2: templar knights, you know, the Egyptian mysteries, the Grecian mysteries,
Speaker 2: which is Greece, all of these similar traditions that are
Speaker 2: like kind of saying the same things. Well, they were
Speaker 2: all traveling these ancient lands, learning in their temples, and
Speaker 2: they were sharing knowledge, right, and they were learning from
Speaker 2: one another. I believe it's I can't remember the exact
Speaker 2: I could find it if I wasn't sitting here hosting, right,
Speaker 2: But I think I don't think it's to Maaeus. There's
Speaker 2: a long story short. I talked about this in the
Speaker 2: very first episode of the show Let's Get Mystical, where
Speaker 2: one of the and full disclosure, I have a very
Speaker 2: hard time keeping it together in my head. Which one
Speaker 2: is Aristotle, which one is Socrates, and which one is Plato,
Speaker 2: because like one of them is not even a real person,
Speaker 2: and he's using the other one's name. It just confuses me.
Speaker 2: But one of them writes about Solon, which is a
Speaker 2: relative of theirs, and Solon is I think it was Plato.
Speaker 2: Solon is going to Egypt, and then he comes back
Speaker 2: and he's talking about how he learned about the mysteries
Speaker 2: of Atlantis, or rather that he learned the great spiritual
Speaker 2: mysteries from the priests in Egypt. And then he says,
Speaker 2: but even the priests of Egypt bow to the masters
Speaker 2: of the wisdom of Atlantis. So like four hundred years
Speaker 2: before the birth of Christ, we have these Greek writers
Speaker 2: talking about how even in Greece they go to learn
Speaker 2: knowledge and wisdom of the mysteries from the spiritual masters
Speaker 2: in the land of Egypt, who even all the way
Speaker 2: back then claimed that their knowledge came from a higher source,
Speaker 2: a more ancient source. So the point of this is
Speaker 2: there is a thread if you know where to look.
Speaker 2: Where you know, you have authors like Pythagoras who talked
Speaker 2: about going to India, to all these different places, Egypt
Speaker 2: and learning. You have different documents that talk about Jesus
Speaker 2: doing this. There's even actual no commodity texts that talk
Speaker 2: about Jesus traveling to different lands, you know, So you
Speaker 2: have this thread of back in the ancient times, people
Speaker 2: would be so hungry for the spiritual tradition that they
Speaker 2: would go visit temples and all these various lands and
Speaker 2: they would learn, and they would increase their knowledge of
Speaker 2: the mysteries. Right, So a little bit of a tangent,
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to talk about how this information
Speaker 2: has always been there and it's more or less kind
Speaker 2: of always been deemed danger by the authorities and the
Speaker 2: powers that be. And we'll talk a little bit later
Speaker 2: about how when the mystery schools became united under Moses
Speaker 2: the Third, it was just a few decades later that
Speaker 2: there was a young pharaoh, Amenhotep the fourth, who was
Speaker 2: so enamored by these mysteries that he changed his name
Speaker 2: to be Akinatan, which is something to the effect of
Speaker 2: the Atin, which is the solar disc, and he changed
Speaker 2: their religion to be monotheistic to observe the solar disc.
Speaker 2: You know, Autan the true God, right. And we've talked
Speaker 2: about this before, where in the far past when they
Speaker 2: had the symbol of the sun, they're not telling you
Speaker 2: that they worship the physical sun, but rather that they
Speaker 2: observed the esoteric view of God, the very person who
Speaker 2: established Egypt as a monotheistic religion, even though that didn't
Speaker 2: hold and some later dynasty did that back to the
Speaker 2: the kind of earlier polytheistic version. But that is a
Speaker 2: very real part of history, and it's even in the Bible.
Speaker 2: It talks about this in the Bible in the in
Speaker 2: the in the Books of Moses where he's you know,
Speaker 2: bringing the Jewish people from enslavement in Israel, and you
Speaker 2: have the story about like the ten plagues, you know
Speaker 2: that story, right. It even says in there that Egypt
Speaker 2: was so afraid of the power of God that they
Speaker 2: changed their religion to you know, believe in the true God,
Speaker 2: the one True God. So anyway, we even have real
Speaker 2: historical occurrences where pharaohs, high and mighty leaders of nations
Speaker 2: are so enamored by these mysteries, great philosophers, renaissance men
Speaker 2: literally and figuratively scientists that they are becoming initiated into
Speaker 2: these mysteries and they're secretly influencing culture because it was
Speaker 2: more or less dangerous knowledge and still is today. Still
Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's dangerous in the sense that
Speaker 2: it's bad for people. I feel like it's dangerous in
Speaker 2: the sense that when you are exposed to truth and
Speaker 2: you understand that you've been lied to your whole life,
Speaker 2: and that you've been gained and that the system is
Speaker 2: rigged against you, and as a fact, that might actually
Speaker 2: be a very part of the condition of living here.
Speaker 2: It's not so good for the powers to be when
Speaker 2: all of us come together and we start thinking on
Speaker 2: our own.
Speaker 3: And in the short term, it also might not be
Speaker 3: super beneficial for the person either. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 3: one of those ignorances blitz scenarios where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'd like to know, but do I.
Speaker 2: Really want to know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes everyday life just a little bit harder.
Speaker 2: But see, here's the thing. There are a lot of
Speaker 2: people in the world like that. And I think the
Speaker 2: very best visual representation of that that I've seen in
Speaker 2: recent years is Cipher from The Matrix. Unfortunately, there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people like that. You've seen The Matrix, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you remember Cipher.
Speaker 3: I'm struggling too.
Speaker 2: He's the bald headed dude that betrays Neo and he's
Speaker 2: seen meeting with agents and he's having conversations with them
Speaker 2: about like Okay, yeah, I just looked him up and
Speaker 2: the agent's like, you know, that stake's not real, or
Speaker 2: basically he's like, I know it's not real, but my
Speaker 2: brain tells me it is. But yeah, it tastes good.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. Like, I'm totally cool living in
Speaker 2: the Matrix. I don't care about any of this crap.
Speaker 2: I just want to go back to how it was, Like,
Speaker 2: there are people like that. That is a fact, and
Speaker 2: it's just a sad part of reality that there are
Speaker 2: many souls that don't care about the truth.
Speaker 3: But that's exactly why initiation exists.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and That's exactly why in ancient times you
Speaker 2: had to prove you were worthy, because it was dangerous
Speaker 2: for this knowledge to be freely spread or spread. And
Speaker 2: we have so much evidence that when this knowledge was
Speaker 2: starting to hit critical mass and get out there, that
Speaker 2: it would become brutally suppressed. And the authorities, whether it
Speaker 2: be you know, I'll just say, you know, at the time,
Speaker 2: the Roman Catholic Empire, they start suppressing these movements, slaughtering people,
Speaker 2: banning them as heresy, burning templars at the stake, slaughtering Cathars,
Speaker 2: or you know, Gnostic Christians, and there was even bishops
Speaker 2: at the time who were more aligned with this way
Speaker 2: of thinking. And even then, gnosticism is just another continuation
Speaker 2: of the mysteries. So let's talk a little bit more
Speaker 2: about the mysteries to understand initigation. So this is actually
Speaker 2: from a real rosicruci website. This is one of the largest,
Speaker 2: if not the largest bodies of Rosicrucianism in the world today.
Speaker 2: It's the AMRC, which is the American branch of Rosicrucianism,
Speaker 2: and it is it stands for the Ancient Mystic Order
Speaker 2: of rose Crusis. So this is copied right from their website.
Speaker 2: The rosicruci movement, of which the Rosicrucian Order AMRC is
Speaker 2: the most prominent modern representative, has its roots in the
Speaker 2: mystery traditions, philosophy, and myths of ancient Egypt, dating back
Speaker 2: to approximately fifteen hundred BCE. In antiquity, the word mystery
Speaker 2: referred to a special gnosis or a secret wisdom. Thousands
Speaker 2: of years ago, in ancient Egypt, select bodies or schools
Speaker 2: were formed to explore the mysteries of life and learn
Speaker 2: the secrets of hidden wisdom. Only sincere students displaying a
Speaker 2: desire for knowledge and meeting certain tests were considered worthy
Speaker 2: of being inducted into these mysteries. Over the course of centuries,
Speaker 2: these mystery schools added an initiatory dimension to the knowledge
Speaker 2: they transmitted. It is further traditionally related that the order's
Speaker 2: first member students met in secluded chambers in magnificent old temples,
Speaker 2: where as candidates they were initiated into the great mysteries.
Speaker 2: Their mystical studies then assumed a more closed character and
Speaker 2: were held exclusively in temples which had been built for
Speaker 2: that purpose. Rosicrucian tradition relates that the great Pyramids of
Speaker 2: Giza were most sacred in the eyes of initiates. Contrary
Speaker 2: to what hysteric historians affirm, our tradition relates that the
Speaker 2: Giza Pyramids were not built to be the tombs of pharaohs,
Speaker 2: but were actually places of study and mystical initiation. The
Speaker 2: mystery schools, over centuries of time, gradually evolved in the
Speaker 2: great centers of learning, attracting students from throughout the known world.
Speaker 2: Pharaoh thought most the Third, who ruled Egypt from fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred to fourteen forty seven BC, organized the first esoteric
Speaker 2: schools of initiates, founded upon principles and methods similar to
Speaker 2: those perpetuated today by the Rosicrucian order Amorc. Decades later,
Speaker 2: Pharaoh Amenhutep the Fourth was initiated into the Secret school.
Speaker 2: The most enlightened pharaoh, history's first monotheist, was so inspired
Speaker 2: by the mystery teachings that he gave a completely new
Speaker 2: direction to Egypt's religion and philosophy. He established a religion
Speaker 2: which recognized the atone, the solar disc, as being the
Speaker 2: symbol of the sole deity, the foundation of life itself,
Speaker 2: the symbol of light, truth, and joy, and changed his
Speaker 2: name to Aknatin to reflect these new ideas, and although
Speaker 2: the earlier religion was later re established, the mystical idea
Speaker 2: was put forth in human consciousness, and its flame never died.
Speaker 2: Centuries later, Greek philosophers such as Thales and Pythagoras, the
Speaker 2: Roman philosopher Plotonus and others journeyed to Egypt and were
Speaker 2: initiated into the mystery schools. They then brought their advanced
Speaker 2: learning and wisdom to the Western world. Their experiences are
Speaker 2: the first records of what eventually grew and blossomed into
Speaker 2: the Rosicrucian Order. The name of the order as it
Speaker 2: is now known, was to come much later. However, the
Speaker 2: Rosicrucian Order always perpetuated its heritage of ancient symbolism and principles.
Speaker 2: It was in the time of Charlemagne in seven hundred
Speaker 2: forty two to eight hundred and fourteen that the French
Speaker 2: philosopher on Arnaud introduced the mystical teachings into France, and
Speaker 2: from there they spread to much of Western Europe. Throughout
Speaker 2: medieval Europe, mystical knowledge was often necessarily couched in symbolism
Speaker 2: or disguised and hidden in the love songs of Troubadours,
Speaker 2: the formularies of alchemists, the symbolical system known as the Kabbala,
Speaker 2: and the ritual orders of knighthood. While much of medieval
Speaker 2: Europe lay in darkness, the highly advanced Arab civilization preserved
Speaker 2: a lit large body of the mystical teachings through texts
Speaker 2: translated directly from the great libraries of the ancient world,
Speaker 2: such as Egypt's Alexandria Library. Philosophy, medicine, mathematics, and alchemy
Speaker 2: were all important subjects preserved in these libraries and later
Speaker 2: transmitted to Europe by the way of Arabs. Just a
Speaker 2: side note, I'm going to pause and then finish the quote.
Speaker 2: If you talk to freemasons, a lot of the original
Speaker 2: knowledge that they were preserving was advanced master craft and stonemasonry,
Speaker 2: which includes what mathematics science. That's why their symbols the
Speaker 2: square in the compass rate. Alchemy, the art of transmutation
Speaker 2: came into prominence with the Alexandrian Greeks. It was then
Speaker 2: introduced to the Arabs, who then transmitted this art and
Speaker 2: the forerunner of chemistry to Europe. The alchemists played a
Speaker 2: tremendous part in the early history of the Rosicrucian order.
Speaker 2: While many alchemists were interested in making gold, some were
Speaker 2: more concerned with the transmutation of human character. European alchemists
Speaker 2: and knights Templar in contact with the Arab civilization at
Speaker 2: the time of the Crusades brought much of this wisdom
Speaker 2: to the West, and the transcendental alchemists, mystics and philosophers
Speaker 2: sought to transmute the base elements of human character. That's
Speaker 2: why I brought this quote. That's the whole crux of
Speaker 2: all of this. Sought to transmute the base elements of
Speaker 2: human character and to the more noble virtues, and to
Speaker 2: release the wisdom of the divine self within the individual.
Speaker 2: Some of the renowned alchemists who were also Rosicrucians or
Speaker 2: were closely associated with them were Albertus Magnus, Roger Bacon,
Speaker 2: Paracelsus Colleague I don't even know how to say this, Cagliostro,
Speaker 2: Nicholas Flamel, and Robert Flood. And then here's the final
Speaker 2: part of this Rosicrucian reference. Right, initiations are as old
Speaker 2: as the earliest civilizations. The ancient Egyptians learned that the
Speaker 2: performance of various acts and the use of certain objects
Speaker 2: helped to facilitate instruction, so that mystical ideas were more
Speaker 2: easily impressed upon the minds of the students. Dramas of
Speaker 2: impressive ceremonies, consisting of music, spectacular lighting, processionals, chanting, and
Speaker 2: colorful ritual robes became an unforgettable experience to each participant.
Speaker 2: These mystery dramas were somewhat like the modern day passion plays.
Speaker 2: And ancient times, the word mystery did not have the
Speaker 2: same connotation that it does now. It did not mean
Speaker 2: strange or weird. Rather, it referred to a unique gnosis,
Speaker 2: that is, knowledge which was to be revealed to the
Speaker 2: candidate for initiation. In fact, in ancient Rome, the mysteries
Speaker 2: were called initia, the initiates were called mistay. The Latin
Speaker 2: word initiare meant to inspire, and initia meant beginning or training. Thus,
Speaker 2: candidates for initiation were introduced to an inspiring knowledge that
Speaker 2: was to make any emotional or psychic impression upon their consciousness,
Speaker 2: as well as to add to their knowledge in a
Speaker 2: dramatic way. The initiation sheds illumination upon certain subjects which
Speaker 2: otherwise may not be thoroughly understood and appreciated. Further, the
Speaker 2: mystical aspect of initiation arouses your psychic and emotional response
Speaker 2: concerning the subjects you were about to study and produces
Speaker 2: an awareness, a state of consciousness which otherwise could not
Speaker 2: be achieved. Rosicruci initiations are rituals designed to mark the
Speaker 2: milestones of a student's progress on the mystical path. And
Speaker 2: these beautiful rituals, mystical laws and principles are demonstrated in
Speaker 2: a dramatic form in order to both inform and inspire
Speaker 2: the Rosicrucian student. Okay, so, first off, I got that
Speaker 2: from I think it's amo Orc dot org. I feel
Speaker 2: like I owed them a plug. Also, I just love
Speaker 2: their work amo RC. It's www dot Rosicrution dot org.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to go ahead and drop that
Speaker 2: so that people can read through the literature on their own.
Speaker 2: But the main reason I wanted to talk about that
Speaker 2: is because you're seeing real evidence of an actual living
Speaker 2: wisdom tradition that spans many thousands of years, telling you
Speaker 2: right out what it represents, what it meant to the
Speaker 2: ancients why they still do it today. Most importantly, these
Speaker 2: initiations serve as dramas, as it very much just said blatantly,
Speaker 2: to leave an emotional and psychic impression upon your consciousness
Speaker 2: so that you reach deeper levels of understanding basically about reality.
Speaker 2: So we get into the multi dimensional nature of existence,
Speaker 2: and we understand that when we're talking about such things
Speaker 2: which are things for big boys and girls, right, this
Speaker 2: is heavy conversation. We have to understand that the physical
Speaker 2: world is a lower emanation from higher worlds. We have
Speaker 2: to when we think of reality itself, God the Creator,
Speaker 2: we have to think in terms of emanation theology. It's
Speaker 2: not just that there's Earth and there's Heaven and hell.
Speaker 2: That's not quite how it is. But there are many
Speaker 2: levels and multitudes of order throughout existence. It's like layers
Speaker 2: of reality where on this layer there's these beings, and
Speaker 2: then on this layer there's archangels, and on this layer
Speaker 2: there's you know, AONs as the Gnostics would call them,
Speaker 2: which are like you know, the lady, and then on
Speaker 2: this level of the source consciousness, and it goes up
Speaker 2: and down a lot of layers. Right as you go
Speaker 2: lower and lower down in the layers down to our layer,
Speaker 2: which is pretty low, but not that low. This is
Speaker 2: a special layer. Right, That's another conversation. If you take
Speaker 2: a microscope and you look at the cells in your body,
Speaker 2: you will see that on the molecular level, there are
Speaker 2: passatterns that represent the stars, the planets, the order in
Speaker 2: the universe. That at every observable level of reality there
Speaker 2: are patterns and the way that things order themselves, that
Speaker 2: their behavior and movements are governed, and just how they function. Right,
Speaker 2: and you look at even the iris in your eye,
Speaker 2: you know, it looks like galaxies. You look at cells
Speaker 2: and how they clump together, and then you zoom up
Speaker 2: a little bit. You have cities, you have nations, you
Speaker 2: have countries, you have solar systems, you have galaxies, you
Speaker 2: have all that stuff. That's by design. That's intelligent design.
Speaker 2: This is just some really hard to understand and hard
Speaker 2: to fathom intelligent simulation that was thought into order from
Speaker 2: the mind of God, the one God. Right when they
Speaker 2: say the one true God, it's consciousness. It's the original thought,
Speaker 2: the original mind really that thought everything else into being.
Speaker 2: So you also should consider that because of this, that
Speaker 2: because we are just silly little lower emanations of higher worlds,
Speaker 2: much more intelligent and articulate designs that are not so
Speaker 2: crude and physical, but they are more spiritual and light
Speaker 2: and frequency, you know, like non physical dimensions that are
Speaker 2: purely psychic realms, or you could say astral whatever, pick
Speaker 2: your new age flavor. This is old concepts, just said
Speaker 2: with a thousand different words, right in the way that
Speaker 2: the little cells represent much bigger and more grand, beautiful,
Speaker 2: intelligent designs of the stars and the cosmos. The process
Speaker 2: of evolution of human life is similarly reflected in a
Speaker 2: macrocosmic way. So the things that happen to us and
Speaker 2: unfold within our psyches and the choices that we make
Speaker 2: here on our evolutionary path are also reflective of higher order,
Speaker 2: multi dimensional concepts. So that was a very wordy way
Speaker 2: for me to set the stage with the premise that
Speaker 2: the ancients knew this very well. So the reason that
Speaker 2: they held these dramas in these initiations and created all
Speaker 2: these mythologies and these allegories was to tell you, in
Speaker 2: a symbolic way that what is happening in the first
Speaker 2: place is not the play. It's not like, oh, you
Speaker 2: made it to a level of understanding, you get to
Speaker 2: go through a little hazing and then you're in the club.
Speaker 2: That's not what's happening. What's truly happening is there is
Speaker 2: a process of evolution that occurs when you go through
Speaker 2: this initiation or awakening process. What the ancients were telling
Speaker 2: you and what they're still telling you today. If you
Speaker 2: go through all these resources and know where to look,
Speaker 2: that there's evolution occurring on the on the planet, throughout
Speaker 2: the human race. And in order to reach the next
Speaker 2: step in the evolutionary phase is one hundred percent required
Speaker 2: that you experience you could say, an awakening or an initiation,
Speaker 2: a spiritual initiation that in order to awaken to the
Speaker 2: next level of consciousness in our evolutionary progression, you have
Speaker 2: to have uh development of the psychic faculties. Right, there
Speaker 2: has to be a progression. How do you develop the
Speaker 2: psychic faculty faculties? How do you how do you evolve
Speaker 2: your consciousness? Well, you know, we'll talk about that from
Speaker 2: the Steiner perspective. So Rudolph Steiner was an amazing individual
Speaker 2: as well. Uh oh yeah, we recently did an episode
Speaker 2: on him. So the difference between in the ancient times
Speaker 2: when initiation all of this mystery school stuff. It was
Speaker 2: more institutional, and it was like hierarchical, and you more
Speaker 2: or less, you know, you didn't have your phone where
Speaker 2: you could read every Steiner book on kindle or every
Speaker 2: you know, you go through amrc's website and go through
Speaker 2: that on a self paced study. That wasn't a thing
Speaker 2: back then. You know, they were figuring out papyrus and
Speaker 2: all that. It was a lot of times word of
Speaker 2: mouth tradition for thousands of years. I think Hinduism was
Speaker 2: word of mouth for the first several hundred, if not
Speaker 2: thousands of years until they finally wrote the Bagavad Gita,
Speaker 2: you know, And that's just how it was back then.
Speaker 2: It was word of mouth. So you more or less
Speaker 2: had to have a deep yearning to And I want
Speaker 2: to add to this that I think everyone comes here
Speaker 2: and there in some way seeking God. It's a part
Speaker 2: of our design. It's like a spark within our DNA.
Speaker 2: We all have that spark of divine consciousness. So we're
Speaker 2: seeking union with that part of ourselves. But the problem
Speaker 2: is our beliefs vary. So a lot of people say,
Speaker 2: well I don't believe in God. Okay, well you believe
Speaker 2: in something. You're seeking to be reunited with something, some
Speaker 2: sort of higher power, some sort of you know, maybe
Speaker 2: it's aliens, maybe I don't know. I don't want to
Speaker 2: go down the list to you. But everybody is seeking something, everybody.
Speaker 2: And then there is that small percentage of people that
Speaker 2: they think they've found that something and they're not seeking
Speaker 2: anything more. And then there's another category of people that
Speaker 2: are like us that it's like, Okay, well I grew
Speaker 2: up Christian, I grew up God, but I need more.
Speaker 2: I need a deeper connection with this. I need to
Speaker 2: understand this on another level. I'm not satisfied, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, what's it going to take to satisfy this?
Speaker 2: Where can I learn?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Anyway, So those kinds of people would seek out these
Speaker 2: temples and they would more or less you know, become
Speaker 2: candidates on the path of initiation, and then they go
Speaker 2: through some sort of trial phase where they seek to
Speaker 2: prove themselves worthy. I mean, this was all over the world.
Speaker 2: This was Druids, this was Mithraic mystery tradition. Everything the Ellis,
Speaker 2: the Eleusinian mysteries, and the Oracle of Delphi tradition. It
Speaker 2: goes on and on, you know, Egypt. To bet all
Speaker 2: of it, right, you had to prove that you were
Speaker 2: a candidate worthy of initiation into the deeper mysteries of consciousness,
Speaker 2: of our multi dimensional existence, the truth that God is,
Speaker 2: you know, the original intelligent mind that thought everything into existence,
Speaker 2: and that there are angelic beings interceding on behalf of humanity.
Speaker 2: So just to kind of wrap up, but you know
Speaker 2: I talked about from the Rosicrucian tradition, and just like
Speaker 2: a basic kind of shotgun spread about Egyptian tradition. So
Speaker 2: an Egyptian tradition, initiation, referred to in the context of
Speaker 2: the mysteries or secret rights of temples and mystery schools,
Speaker 2: was a sacred, rigorous process of spiritual transformation. It aimed
Speaker 2: to awaken higher knowledge or gnosis, prepare the individual for
Speaker 2: the afterlife, and achieve union with the divine forces, particularly
Speaker 2: through the Osiris myth cycle of death, dismemberment, resurrection and rebirth.
Speaker 2: Because we all know the story of Osiris and now
Speaker 2: he was caught up into fourteen pieces and then he
Speaker 2: was brought back to life. It's like eternal life, right.
Speaker 2: It symbolizes eternal life, death and rebirth eternally. That's the
Speaker 2: same as the oro boris right, the serpent eating its tail.
Speaker 2: That's the universe. This is constant cycles of life, death,
Speaker 2: and then the re birth of life. Unlike modern self
Speaker 2: guided paths, Egyptian initiation in the ancient past was typically
Speaker 2: temple based, hierarchical, and conducted under the guidance of priests
Speaker 2: or high refonts and sacred priescincts like Abidos, which was
Speaker 2: the center of Osiris worship, Heliopolis, Memphis, or Thebes. It
Speaker 2: was reserved for those deemed worthy, usually priests or pharaohs,
Speaker 2: or select aspirants, which you're an aspirant before you're an initiate.
Speaker 2: After long preparation involving moral purification, study, fasting, silence, and
Speaker 2: ethical discipline ethical discipline, the process symbolized a symbolic death
Speaker 2: and rebirth, mirroring the myth of Osiris and the soul's
Speaker 2: journey through the duat or which is Egyptian for the underworld.
Speaker 2: To achieve eternal life as an akh, which is an
Speaker 2: effective spirit, candidates underwent extended periods of fasting, sometimes forty days, prayer,
Speaker 2: study of sacred texts, abstinence from pleasures and moral trials
Speaker 2: to purify the body, soul, and spirit. This built inner
Speaker 2: strength and detachment from material desires and is she It's
Speaker 2: faced symbolic tests representing the four elements like earth, water, air,
Speaker 2: and fire, or confronting darkness, fear, and ego. These included
Speaker 2: the descent into darkness or symbolic tombs and chambers. We've
Speaker 2: talked about this on episodes past, like sometimes in Greek
Speaker 2: when you were seeking to be initiated into the mysteries,
Speaker 2: they would literally create a set that represented like the labyrinth,
Speaker 2: and they would have people in menotar costumes like the
Speaker 2: story of Data Lists and the Minotaur, and you would
Speaker 2: have to navigate through a dark, scary labyrinth and they
Speaker 2: would have people, you know, jump out at you and
Speaker 2: scare the craft out of you, and they would simulate it.
Speaker 2: In some traditions they simulate you being in hell. It's
Speaker 2: to really like show you the consequences of not staying
Speaker 2: on the spiritual path and what happens to your soul
Speaker 2: if you don't. So they were very serious and dramatic
Speaker 2: with these, creating entire dramas in plays Encounters with Guardians
Speaker 2: or eighties like Anubis the jackalhead, a guide who conducted
Speaker 2: the soul and oversaw the mummification and rebirth rights or
Speaker 2: symbolic death, lying in a sarcophagus, or experiencing ritual dismemberment
Speaker 2: and reassembly, echoing Osiris. I know in many traditions today
Speaker 2: they have rituals rea to lie in a coffin. I
Speaker 2: want to say they might do that in freemasonry, but
Speaker 2: I can't confirm that. I don't know, but I know
Speaker 2: they're doing skull in bones, but that's a different animal.
Speaker 2: I'm not on their side. Central was the passion play
Speaker 2: of Osiris. The initiate experienced vicariously the god's murder, scattering
Speaker 2: of limbs searched by Isis, resurrection, and triumph. This granted
Speaker 2: insight into immortality in the afterlife. Successful initiates received esoteric
Speaker 2: teachings on cosmology, which is basically the structure of the
Speaker 2: universe and its origin. You know, the soul's immortality, magic alchemy,
Speaker 2: hieroglyphic wisdom, and the hidden forces of nature. Secrets include
Speaker 2: to the nature of the gods, the afterlife journey is
Speaker 2: in the Book of the Dead, and how to navigate
Speaker 2: judgment by Osiris. Weighing your heart against my Odd's feather,
Speaker 2: which is the it's like the ostrich feather. Initiates wore
Speaker 2: valves of silence and ethical conduct. Revealing the mysteries was forbidden,
Speaker 2: and temple inscriptions were They warned against disclosing the rights
Speaker 2: and the rituals. The secrecy preserved the power of the knowledge,
Speaker 2: and the initiate emerged twice born, which is why our
Speaker 2: band is called twice born or regenerated, often with a
Speaker 2: new initiatory name. They gained continuity of consciousness beyond death,
Speaker 2: the ability to act as intermediaries between worlds, and sometimes
Speaker 2: priestly or magical authority. Pharaoh's received high initiations aligned with
Speaker 2: raw and the Great Pyramid to ruless divine instruments. So
Speaker 2: Stuf's great, it's history. It's awesome. I love studying that stuff.
Speaker 2: I love being connected to that stuff and learning about
Speaker 2: that stuff and talking to people who are first hand
Speaker 2: involved with that stuff. It's very good stuff. But the
Speaker 2: whole point I want to make with this episode to establish,
Speaker 2: like the history and the tradition of this, that all
Speaker 2: of this served the purpose of being an allegory for
Speaker 2: the actual psycho physical evolution occurring within human beings that
Speaker 2: are undergoing spiritual development. That this was such a big
Speaker 2: deal to the ancients, this knowledge that we are evolving,
Speaker 2: that they created entire dramas and plays and orders around this. Right,
Speaker 2: And the great point is that you don't have to
Speaker 2: do all that stuff. That's great. It's like, if you
Speaker 2: want to do it, you know, it's extracurricular. But this
Speaker 2: is a process that occurs within every one of us.
Speaker 2: What does that look like? Well, I know that when you,
Speaker 2: for example, if you've had a near death experience in
Speaker 2: your life, or if you've let's just say something crazy,
Speaker 2: if you've smoked DMT, or if you have experienced completely
Speaker 2: soul crushing trauma like many people have, I think most
Speaker 2: have it through this path, whether it's abuse or you
Speaker 2: know whatever. A lot of people receive their initiation from trauma.
Speaker 2: So in my opinion, there are more or less four
Speaker 2: pathways to receive the first initiation, and that is the
Speaker 2: three that I just mentioned. Some sort of powerful hallucinogenic
Speaker 2: like probably DMT would be the one. Near death or
Speaker 2: extreme trauma, extreme extreme trauma, or you're somebody who is
Speaker 2: aware of this knowledge and you read about it and
Speaker 2: you have that calling in your soul to walk this path.
Speaker 2: So through rigorous discipline and focus and commitment, you willfully
Speaker 2: follow the steps that I'm kind of about to briefly
Speaker 2: go over to initiate this process of evolution within the
Speaker 2: body and the psyche, for the extra senses to begin
Speaker 2: to unfold, where you gain abilities like clairvoyance, to where
Speaker 2: you begin to receive information from the spirit world or
Speaker 2: you see UFOs as we know them. But we know
Speaker 2: that it's more complicated than that, that it's a spiritual phenomenon.
Speaker 2: So symptoms of initiation are things like spontaneous psychic appearances
Speaker 2: or experiences appearing or having sightings of orbs of light,
Speaker 2: you know, interdimensional beings, being able to perceive higher worlds,
Speaker 2: being able to proceed, angelic beings coming from other realities.
Speaker 2: I can tell you that I can be next to
Speaker 2: somebody and this isn't about me. I'm just talking about
Speaker 2: my experience, right. I can be next to somebody who
Speaker 2: has no interest in this stuff at all, no curiosity,
Speaker 2: normal life baseline, no trauma, none of that other stuff.
Speaker 2: None of these conditions required have been met, and we
Speaker 2: can be out skywatching and I've been in many situations
Speaker 2: like this, and either they will not see an orb
Speaker 2: for whatever reason. Maybe I'll see it and they're looking away,
Speaker 2: or they'll see it and they're just like flat affect,
Speaker 2: like so is it a satellite? And I'm like, you
Speaker 2: just saw that appear, you just saw a flash and
Speaker 2: do this crazy thing, you know, like these kinds of
Speaker 2: people there there's there's no It's like, there's no, there's
Speaker 2: nothing there, you know what I mean. So I kind
Speaker 2: of forgot where I was going with that.
Speaker 3: I just not I'm trying to to articulate this correctly,
Speaker 3: not that the skeptic is that way, but that.
Speaker 2: They're not evolved enough to see That's the point I
Speaker 2: was trying to make, right, they can't see what you see, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's not like because I've had experiences with
Speaker 3: people who are at first like that's a satellite and
Speaker 3: then by the end of this guy watcher are like, Okay, no,
Speaker 3: it's not. Yeah, So there's like even an evolution or
Speaker 3: an initiation if you will, that takes place through that
Speaker 3: one experience. But I think what you're trying, or I
Speaker 3: think what you're getting at is the person who says,
Speaker 3: who writes it off and walks away.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's a difference between being skeptical and continuing
Speaker 3: to be curious. The skeptics they're curious. They're curious. Skeptical
Speaker 3: and curious is different than writing off and walking away. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that that's a good point. There's levels to this.
Speaker 3: There's so many levels.
Speaker 2: It's not black and white. It's not it's not like
Speaker 2: there's many levels to this. There's people who are skeptical.
Speaker 2: But even then skeptical people. You know, you have people
Speaker 2: whose whole life is being a skeptic about UFOs, but
Speaker 2: they really like you. They're really into this topic. They
Speaker 2: they want to know something, right, unless they're a CIA
Speaker 2: plan And.
Speaker 3: You know, like on on my side of the room,
Speaker 3: like it's different from me, right because I'm not you
Speaker 3: and I'm and I don't have a childhood full of
Speaker 3: trauma about it. But I like I tend to generally
Speaker 3: be okay with the healthy, curious skeptic because I'm not
Speaker 3: afraid of this being challenged because I'm it's it's because
Speaker 3: it's real.
Speaker 2: So it's like, it's totally fine with me. If you're skeptic.
Speaker 3: What you know, the frustrating bit is the I would
Speaker 3: say the opposite of that, right, the unhealthy, closed minded
Speaker 3: never believer. There's a difference between being skeptic and being
Speaker 3: a never believer. Yeah, you know what I mean, But
Speaker 3: that's a different episode.
Speaker 2: No, and that's true. But the point I'm trying to
Speaker 2: make in all of this, why am I even talking
Speaker 2: about initiation in the first place, is because this is
Speaker 2: a process that occurs within the individual, Okay, in order
Speaker 2: to see the orbs, in order to have profound spiritual
Speaker 2: and psychic experiences like seeing angelic beings or you know,
Speaker 2: maybe going out of body or doing some sort of crazy.
Speaker 2: There's a ton of different psychic things that we can do.
Speaker 2: You know, this isn't really the episode for that. But
Speaker 2: in order to do those things, you have to have
Speaker 2: undergone the process of initiation. I'm not saying the ritual
Speaker 2: process of initiation. I'm saying the real process of initiation,
Speaker 2: which is in your own being you have strived to
Speaker 2: spiritually develop, has nothing to do with being inside of
Speaker 2: a temple physically.
Speaker 3: And there's been some process of attunement. Yes, there's been
Speaker 3: a process looks different for everybody.
Speaker 2: It does. It's not cutting dry man, it's not linear.
Speaker 2: Either it's like one step forward or two steps forward
Speaker 2: one step back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not like one particular an organization's version
Speaker 3: of initiation. This is like a very personal path that
Speaker 3: someone's on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I'm trying to say it has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with organization's initiation. The whole reason I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about that for the first half was to
Speaker 2: show how in history they went through such great lengths
Speaker 2: to illustrate what this process is that occurs within every
Speaker 2: individual who walks on the path or the way as
Speaker 2: I call it, which I think, what do we say
Speaker 2: two episodes from now, we're going to do that episode
Speaker 2: talk about the way? What is the way?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: In order to go through initiation, you have to be
Speaker 2: committed to the spiritual path. But you know, life is
Speaker 2: very complex, human nature, reality, the spirits. It's very complex.
Speaker 2: It's never black and white. Sometimes I've seen this many times.
Speaker 2: Sometimes what occurs is the actual sighting of the beings
Speaker 2: or the orbs is the initiation that is the catalyst
Speaker 2: for people to have spiritual experiences. It's never black and white.
Speaker 2: It's very complicated. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna say, like kind of similar to that too, Like
Speaker 3: the ritualistic. Theatric version of initiation could be what begins
Speaker 3: the initiation in a sense of like you know, if
Speaker 3: you think about it in terms of like a secret society,
Speaker 3: you get you, you do the work, and you get
Speaker 3: initiated into this thing, and then through some of like
Speaker 3: kind of placebo or feeling like you belong, you begin
Speaker 3: to kind of start to walk the path and feel
Speaker 3: connected to whatever you're connected to. Organizationally, I will tell.
Speaker 2: You that with a lot of those orders, a lot
Speaker 2: of that initiation type stuff is more or less an
Speaker 2: attunement to thought forms or an actual spiritual force or
Speaker 2: something that I like to call an egre gore, which
Speaker 2: is why the next episode don't want to do that,
Speaker 2: because I want to talk about the importance of egregres
Speaker 2: and that'll cover things like why is Jesus real? Why
Speaker 2: should we care? You know, find out next week, I guess.
Speaker 2: But you know, these are very real forces, right, So, like,
Speaker 2: let's say I've become just because I've been talking about rescrutions.
Speaker 2: You could just pick one, but I'll say rescrution because
Speaker 2: that's that's been a very easy resource to quote, right
Speaker 2: because they're still active today. Let's say I become a RESOCRUSI.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, I've got a good example. I'm you go ahead.
Speaker 2: The rescrutions have more or less created an egregre or,
Speaker 2: also known as a thought form of the Rosicrucians. So
Speaker 2: everybody who's become initiated into that order, I really should
Speaker 2: be saving this for next week. Everybody who's become, you know,
Speaker 2: initiated into that order, they're more or less inviting that
Speaker 2: that force, that that actual, real spiritual energy that exists
Speaker 2: in the realm of thought because it's been charged by
Speaker 2: millions of souls for thousands of years. So anyway, we'll
Speaker 2: talk more about that next week. I don't want to
Speaker 2: get ahead of myself. What were you going to say?
Speaker 3: I was going to say, in a non religious sense,
Speaker 3: like the Hell's Angels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a similar thing.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like it gets weird because then
Speaker 3: I start kind of trailing off and I think brand
Speaker 3: ethos like working at Nike or like these huge global ideas.
Speaker 2: Of that's an egrego, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just to get away from the religion for
Speaker 3: a second. Yeah, because it's not all religious. No, but
Speaker 3: but but is the next week?
Speaker 2: But but yeah, yeah, no. But it's all real though, right,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't have to be attached to a
Speaker 2: religion to be real because the truth is, that's how
Speaker 2: the universe operates. Nike's and Egregore in the same way
Speaker 2: Christianity is in Ingregor. Right, Christianity is a more powerful
Speaker 2: one because it's you know, a spiritual force. But you
Speaker 2: can't say that there's not kids out there that are like, mom,
Speaker 2: please please, I want forces for Christmas. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: a spiritual force. Let's talk about air force. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not plugging air forces. I'm just saying the example
Speaker 2: that it is a it is a force. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a it's an Egregore. It's a real force because
Speaker 2: that's how the universe works, and everything exists within the
Speaker 2: realm of mind, and there are dimensions that are no
Speaker 2: physical matter entirely in they're purely psychic thought. These egregoric
Speaker 2: forces and in some cases entities like malevl spirits that
Speaker 2: people in this world are creating through greed and darkness,
Speaker 2: and like we talked about in the way TKO Dark
Speaker 2: Force episode, Uh, those are malevolent more or less entities
Speaker 2: I believe that have become personified because they're created through
Speaker 2: our dark thoughts, right, and there's obviously good ones too,
Speaker 2: And then aside from that, there are entities that exist
Speaker 2: before we were created, like angels. Right. It's it's very
Speaker 2: complicated what exists out there in the universe. But yeah, so,
Speaker 2: but I want to stress that I'm not like convincing,
Speaker 2: and the point of this episode is not to say
Speaker 2: sign up for an order today. That's not the point.
Speaker 2: The point I wanted to highlight is that this initiation
Speaker 2: process is something that is required that everyone goes through.
Speaker 2: Let's delineate between the play and the drama of initiation
Speaker 2: and the real multi dimensional nature of you could say
Speaker 2: initiation or awakening or nosis. So let's change the word
Speaker 2: for a moment. Let's talk about nosis, because because nosis
Speaker 2: is the true initiation, right, So what is nosis? Nosis
Speaker 2: is when you finally awaken or become illuminated to the
Speaker 2: truth that you are a multi dimensional immortal being who,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, for better or for worse, are having
Speaker 2: a temporary experience in the Earth life plane, that you
Speaker 2: are not here permanently, that you're here for a very
Speaker 2: brief time, but that your soul comes from the permanent
Speaker 2: place It comes from the source of all thought, all life,
Speaker 2: all existence, all consciousness. It comes from the One True God.
Speaker 2: You're a tiny little spark, like when you see the
Speaker 2: Sun and you think of like the rays lashing off
Speaker 2: the Sun and all those you know, plasma waves or
Speaker 2: whatever they call it, and you think, you know, how
Speaker 2: big is the sun? Rhetorical question. It's huge, right, It's
Speaker 2: like of times bigger than the Earth something like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here googling numbers. I don't need to,
Speaker 2: but you get the point.
Speaker 3: How do you measure that? Though?
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't know lasers, but I think they say lasers, right,
Speaker 2: But the Sun is enormous. It's way bigger than the Earth. Right.
Speaker 2: But think about for light to exist, there's got to
Speaker 2: be I don't know a number, so I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: say trillions and trillions and trillions of photons. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure that for you to even observe a spec of light,
Speaker 2: that has to be a collection of like sixty photons
Speaker 2: or something like that. So a light that big, the Sun,
Speaker 2: the biggest light in our solar system, how many photons
Speaker 2: is that? It's an unfathomable, inconceivable number. I mean I
Speaker 2: don't know if that could be calculated. Possibly every one
Speaker 2: of those little individual photons that make up the light
Speaker 2: of the sun as we understand it, that's.
Speaker 3: Like our souls ten to the forty fifth power every second.
Speaker 2: That's an inconceivable number, And that's photons coming from the sun.
Speaker 2: I'm talking like, look at the ball, look at the disc,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is that collection, how many photons
Speaker 2: of that do We can't even fathom that. We can't
Speaker 2: our brains can't compute that. The only way you could
Speaker 2: compute that is if you go up there and you
Speaker 2: measure it. Nothing can touch it. It burns to a
Speaker 2: crisp right, all those little photons that make up the sun.
Speaker 2: That's like an allegory of all the different consciousnesses that
Speaker 2: emanate from the one true God that's the source of
Speaker 2: all life and all creation. So this is the initiation.
Speaker 2: This is the nosis that you're an immortal being and
Speaker 2: that you're having a spiritual experience, that the purpose you
Speaker 2: come here for is to evolve to the next level
Speaker 2: of understanding. That we get caught up in the game.
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, look I play the game. I have
Speaker 2: a wife and a on the way, I've paid taxes,
Speaker 2: I play video games, I do fun stuff, I consume art,
Speaker 2: I do all that same stuff everybody else does. To
Speaker 2: a degree, we get distracted by the pleasures of life
Speaker 2: and by the routine of life. But even life itself
Speaker 2: is an allegory for the you know, like the cycles
Speaker 2: of life, right, our little being a baby and then
Speaker 2: becoming an adult, and then becoming old, and then dying
Speaker 2: and returning and then we're reborn. All of that is
Speaker 2: just allegories of higher order concepts that are beyond our
Speaker 2: human understand Everything is like everything down here in the
Speaker 2: earth life plane is like little, tiny, microcosmic dramas of
Speaker 2: the greater spiritual truths. If you look at any spiritual symbol,
Speaker 2: it has many meanings. If you look at the unk
Speaker 2: right you stand it up, you have the circle on
Speaker 2: top the cross. In one respect it means the on
Speaker 2: is crossing over the nile. In another respect, it is uh,
Speaker 2: the ovaries and the male genitals. It's the masculine and
Speaker 2: the feminine. And there's even more meanings than that that
Speaker 2: I can't recall off the top of my head. I
Speaker 2: have to get my egypt guy on here. But that's
Speaker 2: just two off the top of my head. Like two
Speaker 2: definitions of one symbol. How can it mean two things?
Speaker 2: It can mean a lot of things because life is
Speaker 2: multi dimensional. You look at a templar cross, they say
Speaker 2: it's the sun, right, It's also a to roidal field,
Speaker 2: many things you look at. I'm blanking on symbols right now.
Speaker 2: The pentagram but not them. The fish, well sure, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, the vesica pisces. Right. You look at
Speaker 2: the pentacle with the five point of star turning up
Speaker 2: with the circle. They say that, you know, if you
Speaker 2: divide the lines and the sections of that, it gives
Speaker 2: you the perfect mathematical ratio for spirals. Okay, well, we
Speaker 2: know that that is one of the primordial expressions of
Speaker 2: how consciousness moves through dimensions, right, according to these ancient traditions.
Speaker 2: But then also you could look at it as the
Speaker 2: five elements. The top is spirit, firewater, earth, air, that
Speaker 2: it represents all five of the elements. So symbols always
Speaker 2: have multiple meanings. That's because truth in life is multidimensional.
Speaker 2: Human life is multi dimensional. Things have multiple meanings. On
Speaker 2: one level, saying I love you to my wife and
Speaker 2: getting married and raising a family is you know, just
Speaker 2: the normal thing. It's just what I do on earth.
Speaker 2: It's same with you, same with everybody. We all do it.
Speaker 2: It's part of you know, what we do. We just
Speaker 2: find somebody and we you know, we want to partner.
Speaker 2: We don't want to be alone. We want to find
Speaker 2: love in this world. We want to do our thing.
Speaker 2: Most most people, you know, they have kids, whatever their
Speaker 2: their thing looks like that they want to do. On
Speaker 2: a higher level, it's like your higher self choosing to
Speaker 2: come here to express these things so that you experience
Speaker 2: all these different perspectives and grow on a soul level.
Speaker 2: So things have multiple, multiple meanings. They have meanings from
Speaker 2: the perspective of our experience down here on Earth and
Speaker 2: how we perceive them and experience them. Then they have
Speaker 2: the perspective of the higher dimensions, which are way way
Speaker 2: more complicated levels of reasoning and understanding of such basic
Speaker 2: things as like, well, when you express love on the
Speaker 2: physical level, and I don't just mean romantic, I just
Speaker 2: mean a kind act in the realm of frequency and
Speaker 2: energy and spirit, you are uniting opposed forces and attracting
Speaker 2: them together. So on the one hand, it's like, dude,
Speaker 2: you look good in that shirt. Down on the human level,
Speaker 2: that's yeah, that was really nice, thank you. But on
Speaker 2: the spiritual level, there is a power and a force
Speaker 2: behind that expressed act of kindness that is drawing your
Speaker 2: magnetic field closer to mine. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Multi dimensional? It's always multi.
Speaker 3: Dimension it again, give me another compliment, and I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: Can I say something unrelated, completely unrelated? Sure? And I
Speaker 3: just want to preface this by saying, there's plenty of
Speaker 3: people smarter than me out there, and in fact, I'm
Speaker 3: the dumbest person in the room. I'm looking at the
Speaker 3: cross section like the inside of a sun according to
Speaker 3: a diagram on a website, and I'm sitting here thinking
Speaker 3: about fundamentally believing that this cross section of the sun
Speaker 3: showing me the inside of the sun is accurate. Is
Speaker 3: just as much of a leap as like religious like
Speaker 3: it's like faith yep, from a higher I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna get on my son denying soapbox here. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying I've never been to the middle of the sun.
Speaker 3: No one's ever been in the middle of the sun.
Speaker 3: No one's ever cut the sun open or even probed it.
Speaker 2: So well, you know, there's something to that. There's a
Speaker 2: religion of people who have uh very very serious reasons
Speaker 2: to convince people of a certain model of the universe
Speaker 2: that doesn't leave any room for consciousness or spirit.
Speaker 3: That model is okay to believe in this image of
Speaker 3: the sun that I found online. It's also okay to
Speaker 3: believe in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't. Yeah, But so so let me let me
Speaker 2: just kind of like I want to wrap up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to get back on track. No nor No,
Speaker 2: not at all. I'm just saying I want to wrap
Speaker 2: up shortly, so I'm going to kind of pound out
Speaker 2: the last little bit here. But I just wanted to
Speaker 2: stress that to me, initiation means that you are you
Speaker 2: more or less have passed through window of perception where
Speaker 2: there is some event outer and inner that have occurred
Speaker 2: in your life where you don't see things the same anymore.
Speaker 2: The spiritually, you evolve to a new level of understanding.
Speaker 2: You look at people differently and you think, you know,
Speaker 2: they've probably just had a bad day, that's why he's
Speaker 2: treating me that way, or that person is a malevolent spirit.
Speaker 2: I can't trust them because they don't have any spiritual
Speaker 2: you know, understanding or capacity in their life, and they
Speaker 2: are very dark and malevolent, and I don't want them
Speaker 2: in my field. You know, you just start to think
Speaker 2: about things differently when you reach new levels of understanding
Speaker 2: of things. And having seen thousands of people in my
Speaker 2: life literally in person and otherwise go through different levels
Speaker 2: of you know, just on the one hand, having ORB
Speaker 2: sightings and how it completely blows their mind and change
Speaker 2: their lives. You never know what you're gonna get, but
Speaker 2: the point is people get something, you know, they completely change.
Speaker 2: They go through these it's like a portal where you
Speaker 2: just have these realizations, Like the ORB is so powerful,
Speaker 2: seeing the orbs, the beings, the angels. It's so powerful
Speaker 2: because even it is multi dimensional because on the one hand,
Speaker 2: in order to see it, you have to be spiritually
Speaker 2: evolved to a certain level to where your actual senses
Speaker 2: are able to perceive it, which I do believe has
Speaker 2: to do with the development of the pineal gland. But
Speaker 2: then on the other hand, the event itself, which is
Speaker 2: seeing it, serves as a catalyst for this evolutionary process.
Speaker 2: So sometimes I feel like it's the chicken or the egg,
Speaker 2: which one comes first. Either way, they're linked. There's something
Speaker 2: to be noted about seeing beings of light or what
Speaker 2: most people will understand his UFOs and having an initiatory
Speaker 2: spiritual awakening event, and that they were intrinsically linked. So
Speaker 2: for the people at home, what should I do? How
Speaker 2: do I see this? Where should I you know, how
Speaker 2: should I better myself? Well, let me just get to
Speaker 2: Rudolf Steiner. Rudolf Steiner is really cool. I believe he
Speaker 2: lived in the eighteen hundreds. I know we did an
Speaker 2: episode on him. I'm going to just kind of briefly
Speaker 2: glaze by him. But Rudolf Steiner could be said to
Speaker 2: be as far as the public is concerned with, just
Speaker 2: like being an author, writing books, putting it out there.
Speaker 2: You don't have to, you know, go through any initiation
Speaker 2: process or whatever. Rudolf Steiner is probably the most prolific
Speaker 2: publicly available Rosicrusian thinker. He probably other than like the
Speaker 2: orders themselves, he probably has given the most to the
Speaker 2: world about the science of initiation in the path of
Speaker 2: developing the psychic sensus. I mean, he has tons of books, dude,
Speaker 2: like knowledge of higher worlds and how to perceive them
Speaker 2: or how to attain them, the Way of Initiation, occult
Speaker 2: science and stuff like that. Like he has so many
Speaker 2: books just laying this out for the layman. You just
Speaker 2: buy the book and read it. It's right there. You
Speaker 2: don't have to do any secret anything, you know. So
Speaker 2: what I like about Rudolph Steiner is he started his
Speaker 2: own movement basically called anthroposophy, and he actually was more
Speaker 2: or less we talked about this on the Steiner episode.
Speaker 2: He was more or less removed from theosophy or he
Speaker 2: just like quit, but he was a part of it
Speaker 2: at one point, and he he just phased out of
Speaker 2: it because he wasn't perfectly aligned with it and he
Speaker 2: saw things different. And I'm more of a Steiner guy.
Speaker 2: I think Steiner is very profound. And that night many
Speaker 2: years ago when I was in Asheville and I hung
Speaker 2: out with doctor Gilbert, that was one of the things
Speaker 2: he kept getting me on was Rudolf Steiner. He was like,
Speaker 2: all about Rudolf Steiner, and he's very legit. I think
Speaker 2: Rudolf Steiner is very profound. He's one of the greatest
Speaker 2: thinkers in human history. And without rambling anymore, the whole
Speaker 2: point is that the Steiner approach is all about walking
Speaker 2: this path without an authority, without a higher power. You
Speaker 2: don't have to go to some order, you don't have
Speaker 2: to go to church. Those are great, Those are fine.
Speaker 2: You can do those things. You don't have to not
Speaker 2: do the things you want to do as long as
Speaker 2: they're good and they bring you value and benefit to
Speaker 2: your life. Right. But the point is, truly you don't
Speaker 2: need those things. It's like riding a bicycle. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: if you want to leave the training wills on because
Speaker 2: it makes you happy and you're more comfortable, that's totally fine.
Speaker 2: Like you can ride with training wheels on, there's nobody's
Speaker 2: just like, no, you have to take those off. But
Speaker 2: when you become an adept at riding a bicycle, you
Speaker 2: don't need your father or your mother's hand on your
Speaker 2: back holding you up anymore. And you don't need the
Speaker 2: training wheels. You can balance straight down the middle on
Speaker 2: your own, and you can keep the bicycle vertical and
Speaker 2: you can ride it without assistance. That's kind of like
Speaker 2: the spiritual path. Like if you want that assistance, you know,
Speaker 2: power to you. I'm not going to judge you. I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody should. But you don't need those things
Speaker 2: because God is within sight of you, it's directly inside
Speaker 2: of you. You are completely divine and come from God
Speaker 2: in the original source of all life and all creations.
Speaker 2: So all of that material and information can be found
Speaker 2: within you, and you can walk the path because the
Speaker 2: Guru or the Master does not have the power to
Speaker 2: make you walk the path or give you the ability.
Speaker 2: All they can do is guide you or teach you.
Speaker 2: But really it's because you are equally a special as them,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So. Rudolph Steiner's interpretation of initiation,
Speaker 2: often translated from German as Einweihung, is central to his
Speaker 2: anthroposophical teachings on spiritual development. He describes it as the
Speaker 2: culmination of a deliberate modern path of esoteric training that
Speaker 2: allows individuals to consciously access higher spiritual worlds and gain
Speaker 2: direct knowledge of supersensible realities. This is not an ancient,
Speaker 2: secretive temple ritual bestowed by priests, as in older mystery
Speaker 2: traditions like Egyptian or Rosicrucian paths, but a self initiated
Speaker 2: process accessible to anyone who cultivates the necessary inner faculties
Speaker 2: through moral, meditative, and cognitive exercises and his key work,
Speaker 2: Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and its Attainment, also published
Speaker 2: as How to Know Higher Worlds or The Way of Initiation.
Speaker 2: Steiner outlines Initiation is the third and highest of the
Speaker 2: three main stages in spiritual schooling Number one preparation. This
Speaker 2: evolves cultivating reverence, enter tranquility, moral purity, and control over
Speaker 2: thoughts and feelings. It awakens dormant soul capacities and begins
Speaker 2: to form subtle organs of spiritual perception Enlightenment or illumination
Speaker 2: Step two and illumination through meditative contemplation like focusing on
Speaker 2: natural objects like stones or plants, or animals, and eventually
Speaker 2: human beings, one develops clairvoyant like perception of spiritual forces
Speaker 2: and colors flowing from beings. This stage builds inerlight and
Speaker 2: insight into the etheric and astral realms. Initiation number three.
Speaker 2: This is the stage where the soul unites fully with
Speaker 2: the spiritual world, enabling direct experience of higher realities see
Speaker 2: in orbs people. It involves confronting and pasting symbolic trials,
Speaker 2: the fire trial for the strength of character and will,
Speaker 2: the water trial for control over emotions, and reliance on
Speaker 2: spiritual writing or intuitive grammar. Remember we talk about the
Speaker 2: allegory of Jesus walking on water. Perhaps it really means
Speaker 2: learning to be in control of your emotions. The air
Speaker 2: trial for freedom and thought and commitment to truth, And
Speaker 2: I guess there's no earth trial that I'm seeing here.
Speaker 2: These trials test the initiates maturity, ensuring they can handle
Speaker 2: spiritual knowledge without egoism or illusion. That's important. Steiner emphasizes
Speaker 2: that true initiation accelerates what would otherwise unfold over many incarnations.
Speaker 2: It grants knowledge and proficiency in the spiritual realms it
Speaker 2: cannot be obtained otherwise in our current era. The initiate
Speaker 2: gains continuity of consciousness beyond sleep and death, encounters the
Speaker 2: guardian of the threshold of being, representing one's own unresolved
Speaker 2: karma and lower nature. So coming into contact with your
Speaker 2: ego is it's usually pretty frightening and scary, and ultimately
Speaker 2: transforms their being to perceive divine truths directly. Importantly, Steiner
Speaker 2: stresses ethical prerequisites initiation or spiritual initiation. Again, we're not
Speaker 2: talking about ritual here. I wanted to end with the
Speaker 2: Steiner bit to talk about the individual process, right, But
Speaker 2: Steiner stresses ethical prerequisites. Initiation demands modesty, patience, reverence, moral integrity,
Speaker 2: and service to others. Without these attempts at spiritual development
Speaker 2: can lead to hardening of the heart, delusion, or danger.
Speaker 2: He presents this as a modern path suited to the
Speaker 2: current age, rooted in Rosicrucian traditions, but adopted for free
Speaker 2: individual striving rather than guru dependent submission. For deeper reading,
Speaker 2: you could check out Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and
Speaker 2: its attainment. There's chapters on the stages of initiation and
Speaker 2: also on initiation the mysteries of initiation. He gives lectures
Speaker 2: on historical and modern forms of it. And you know,
Speaker 2: the Steiner path is practical and experiential when you follow
Speaker 2: his exercises persistently. The belief is that, or rather the experience,
Speaker 2: is that new spiritual organs form. And I do believe
Speaker 2: with modern science and understanding of this subject and phenomenology
Speaker 2: studying experiences like my family and other people, we know
Speaker 2: that continually having profound spiritual experiences actually evolves parts of
Speaker 2: the brain. Right, So the point of that is I
Speaker 2: wanted to stress to people the notion that there is
Speaker 2: a process that actually occurs within the individual when walking
Speaker 2: the spiritual path.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: The most important path I believe is what I like
Speaker 2: to call the way. I believe that is consisting of
Speaker 2: you know, great moral character, having virtue, having ideals. Why
Speaker 2: is it called the way? Well, I just came up
Speaker 2: with that because there's a million things you could call it,
Speaker 2: and I think that's just a very easy, pretty nondescript thing.
Speaker 2: But it's like Jesus says, I am the Way and
Speaker 2: the truth in the life and can get to the
Speaker 2: Father except through me. Well you even know that according
Speaker 2: to you know, Gnostic tradition. It is elaborated on the
Speaker 2: notion that it's not about you know, worshiping Jesus or
Speaker 2: anything like that, but it's more or less he's inviting
Speaker 2: you to follow along on the path that he is
Speaker 2: treading that you can do this too, that if you
Speaker 2: live like I do, that if you use me as
Speaker 2: an example and you behave this way, you love your neighbor,
Speaker 2: you love your God as you love yourself. It says
Speaker 2: at the end of the Book of John, when I
Speaker 2: leave here, you guys are going to do more miracles
Speaker 2: than me. And no amount of books in the world.
Speaker 2: Every basically like all the pages of every book in
Speaker 2: the way will be filled with the miracles that you
Speaker 2: guys will be able to achieve when I leave, is
Speaker 2: what he was saying. So the spiritual evolution is something
Speaker 2: that is faded to occur in all of us, but
Speaker 2: I believe now in the era that we're in, it's
Speaker 2: more important than ever to walk this path. So there's
Speaker 2: not going to be a moment where you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm having my initiation unless you're you know, a part
Speaker 2: of an order or something. But otherwise it's a call
Speaker 2: to have great moral character, virtue, treating people with kindness
Speaker 2: and love and respect, not being hateful and lacking empathy
Speaker 2: for other people, you know. Following on from last week's episode,
Speaker 2: I do believe there is a divergence of consciousness happening
Speaker 2: between good and evil, and I think it's more important
Speaker 2: than ever to cultivate goodness and the spiritual path in
Speaker 2: our lives because, you know, reality itself is changing. I
Speaker 2: believe the actual dimension that we live in, in my belief,
Speaker 2: it is fractured and it is beginning to split. And
Speaker 2: that's not a physical thing that is invisible, but that
Speaker 2: is more or less reflected in the way that people
Speaker 2: on earth, begin to feel, think, perceive, and behave. And
Speaker 2: there are many of us around the world who is like,
Speaker 2: this is pretty awesome. I go outside and I talk
Speaker 2: to the night skuy, I see angels, amazing things happen
Speaker 2: around me. But then there's other people that all they
Speaker 2: want to talk about is politics. All they want to
Speaker 2: talk about is the negative stuff happening in the world.
Speaker 2: For them, it's hell. It's not hell.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 2: I see a lot of bad things are happening out
Speaker 2: there in the world. I get that, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be hell. That's that's not true to me.
Speaker 2: That's not my experience. My experience is that I am
Speaker 2: surrounded by goodness and angelic entities and there is really bad,
Speaker 2: negative things happening out there that I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's terrible, you know, send them love and move on, Alex,
Speaker 2: let's go record. I want to inspire some people today,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, like, that's that's the
Speaker 2: difference that there are many people in this world who
Speaker 2: all life is for them as hell. They can't they can't,
Speaker 2: They're they're like going mad from the trap of what's
Speaker 2: what's being told to them and how they're being programmed
Speaker 2: to think and believe they're on autopilot and they don't have,
Speaker 2: you know, that that cultivated awareness to be able to
Speaker 2: see through illusion. But anyway, I think it's more important
Speaker 2: than ever for all of us to, you know, just
Speaker 2: do the best we can what we got, you know,
Speaker 2: stay positive, any thoughts.
Speaker 3: No good episode, good job.
Speaker 2: We're both wearing white today.
Speaker 3: That's right, but that's also me every episode. You're jumping
Speaker 3: my bandwagon. But you look great in that shirt.
Speaker 2: Wait to make that positive I did at the end.
Speaker 2: You look great. Yeah, you're right, you did it.
Speaker 1: The Hi guys, the weird things happened in the backyard
Speaker 1: and left out
Speaker 3: The weird, weird, weird