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Speaker 1: today making his triumphant return here to talk with this
Speaker 1: about his brand new documentary, Doors of Perception. Chris Matthew,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: How's it going, my friend, writer? Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for having me back. It's been a little while. I'm
Speaker 2: ready to once again get weird with you, baby.
Speaker 1: That's right, always getting weird. So what inspired you to
Speaker 1: make this documentary and what inspired you to name it
Speaker 1: the Doors of Perception? Because perception is a really interesting word.
Speaker 1: I think in our perceptions of since we've been doing
Speaker 1: the show, I mean, my thoughts and ideas and believes
Speaker 1: have changed rapidly for the past, you know, five years
Speaker 1: since I've done this. How long have you been in
Speaker 1: this space in doing.
Speaker 2: Your show, Chris Face, I mean Forbidden Knowledge News started
Speaker 2: as a Facebook blog in like two thy fourteen or
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, and then like twenty sixteen was a YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: But I started you know, digging into all this stuff
Speaker 2: really about twenty twelve and it was all downhill from there.
Speaker 2: So I've been I've been in here for a little bit.
Speaker 1: So roughly around ten years or so. How has your
Speaker 1: perceptions before we get into the beat the documentary here,
Speaker 1: how has your perceptions of the things that you cover
Speaker 1: on your show changed since the very beginning?
Speaker 2: Man, I can't keep a single perspective for probably more
Speaker 2: than a day. This shit is constantly evolving and changing
Speaker 2: and based on new information and ideas and inspiration and
Speaker 2: intuition that I have. It's constantly evolving and molding. So
Speaker 2: it has changed dramatically from when I first started doing this.
Speaker 2: A lot of the stuff has come full circle and
Speaker 2: just kind of validated my original release, but a lot
Speaker 2: of it's just shot off into all directions. There's so
Speaker 2: many layers to a lot of this that it seems
Speaker 2: almost impossible to get to the real heart of any
Speaker 2: certain conspiracy or these paranormal events or high impact events
Speaker 2: that occur, but we try to get as much information
Speaker 2: as possible. There's a lot, as you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of muddying of the waters in the past few years,
Speaker 2: and it's become very difficult to find good information. But
Speaker 2: we do have our go tos as far as great
Speaker 2: researchers that we can rely on that we have been
Speaker 2: able to for the past decade or so, that we
Speaker 2: can always check back with is to compare notes see
Speaker 2: if any of the information that we're getting still matches up,
Speaker 2: still resonates. We can do that with the original texts
Speaker 2: in books and authors and classic researchers that have presented
Speaker 2: information over the years, but we just really have to
Speaker 2: pass it through our perception filter. And like you said,
Speaker 2: perception is important. I think it's everything. I think that
Speaker 2: all these experiences from paranormal to UFO's abduction, near death experiences,
Speaker 2: psychedelic experiences, meditation, they're going to all pass through the
Speaker 2: perception filter. Where we're at in our lives, where we're
Speaker 2: at emotionally, spiritually, mentally, how healthy we are, the way
Speaker 2: we view things, the way we understand things, and that
Speaker 2: is going to heavily dictate the outcome and how we
Speaker 2: feel and interact with any certain experience that occurs. And
Speaker 2: doors of perception. The title really was stolen from all
Speaker 2: this Huxley's classic book, but it's more of a reinterpretation
Speaker 2: and I'm basically stealing that name because it has tiny
Speaker 2: bits and pieces of maybe some ideas that Huxley presented
Speaker 2: about psychedelics and some of the connections that we can
Speaker 2: make between synchronicities and certain events. But I really took
Speaker 2: it to a completely different level and added my own
Speaker 2: life experiences, the people that I presented in the film,
Speaker 2: the amazing researchers and guests that I've had, and I
Speaker 2: combined it with everything that I've learned over the past decade,
Speaker 2: my understandings, my beliefs, but I presented in a really
Speaker 2: non biased way, really asking questions and not saying that
Speaker 2: this is the way things are, but could this be
Speaker 2: the way things are? And I think all the presenters
Speaker 2: that I featured in there did a really great job
Speaker 2: of doing that very thing. And that's what we explore
Speaker 2: the we explore consciousness, but through the lens of these experiences,
Speaker 2: paranormal experiences, altered states, near death contact, extraterrestrial contact experiences,
Speaker 2: and the synchronistic events that occur in our daily lives
Speaker 2: that seem to tie these things together lead us in
Speaker 2: certain directions and even tell us story, it seems at
Speaker 2: some times. So that's what the film explores and super
Speaker 2: excited about it, and the presenters that were participating in
Speaker 2: the film and shared their ideas and insights and research.
Speaker 2: So that is where the birth of Doors of Perception
Speaker 2: came from.
Speaker 1: Where can people watch this right now? Because you have
Speaker 1: a pre release copy available, So where can people watch
Speaker 1: this immediately?
Speaker 2: You go to our website Forbidden Knowledge dot News. Right
Speaker 2: on that front page you'll see the Doors of Perception,
Speaker 2: the front picture of the film. You click on the
Speaker 2: link right there and you can either rent it. They
Speaker 2: have a link to our Vimeo site. You can rent
Speaker 2: it for two ninety nine or purchase the ten eighty
Speaker 2: p version for seven. You can even get a four
Speaker 2: K version for twelve dollars. And this, like you said,
Speaker 2: it's a special edition, pre release version. There's gonna be
Speaker 2: a few things that may be slightly different, a few
Speaker 2: additions that may not go into the film that will
Speaker 2: be going on streaming platforms in a few months. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a great way to help support us and a
Speaker 2: great way to help promote the film before it hits
Speaker 2: streaming platforms. And the trailer is also available on YouTube
Speaker 2: and rum rumble on our website as well, so very
Speaker 2: easily accessible, and I believe you'll have some links for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have the link posted to the website
Speaker 1: where you can order the pre release copy of Doors
Speaker 1: of Perception. And I'm always into helping support independent I
Speaker 1: think that that's where the industry is moving toward independent filmmakers,
Speaker 1: independent media. Just in general, we've seen this gigantic boom.
Speaker 1: Soho who all is in this documentary? I saw Lindsey
Speaker 1: Sharman in there, I saw Trey Hudson, Brandon Thomas. Who
Speaker 1: else did you have in there? See?
Speaker 2: If I can remember? Everybody got Daniel Rection. He is
Speaker 2: a dream expert. He's the chief dream Officer at dream World.
Speaker 2: Basically they do research and education into lucid dreaming techniques
Speaker 2: and beyond basically shamanic dreaming, getting information from your dreams,
Speaker 2: even learning how to control and interact with things in
Speaker 2: your dreams. And he was one of the experts I
Speaker 2: had on to discuss the dreams section in the movie.
Speaker 2: Like you said, we have Brandon Thom, then we had
Speaker 2: Vicki Joy Anderson. She is author of They Only Come
Speaker 2: Out at Night, which is about sleep paralysis, her experiences
Speaker 2: and the hundreds of sleep paralysis experiencers that she interviews
Speaker 2: and compares the experiences and gives her own spin and
Speaker 2: research into the possibilities of what's happening with that. She
Speaker 2: was a great guest. Then we have Carlos Tanner. He
Speaker 2: is founder of the Ayahuasca Foundation. He kicks off the
Speaker 2: section on psychedelics in the film. We have Adam Butler,
Speaker 2: author of Butler's DMT Field Guide. He's great. He was
Speaker 2: actually a last minute addition to the film. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for doing that. And then let's see, we've
Speaker 2: got Karen Wilkinson, who is a et abduction experience or
Speaker 2: she had very horrific abduction experiences from a very young age,
Speaker 2: which oddly enough involve military, So there's very interesting correlations
Speaker 2: with that as well, which we kind of touch on
Speaker 2: in the film Part two. We're going to get to
Speaker 2: more of some nefarious things that may be occurring with
Speaker 2: our military and some of the black projects. So then
Speaker 2: we have the great Trey Hudson. He is a former
Speaker 2: US Army intelligence officer, paranormal researcher, great friend of ours.
Speaker 2: He frequents your show quite often. Amazing guy. Let's see,
Speaker 2: we've got Lindsay Sharman we have. I'm probably forgetting somebody.
Speaker 2: And if I am, I truly apologize. Dan lyss who
Speaker 2: Lindsay Sharman, I'm sorry. She is a psychic, intuitive author,
Speaker 2: a healer, spiritual health. She was great. She presented some
Speaker 2: great information on near death experiences and synchronicities. And Dan
Speaker 2: Liss who is also a spiritual healer, intuitive psychic who
Speaker 2: was also presenting information on near death experiences and synchronicities.
Speaker 2: And I remember, last, but not least, the great Jim
Speaker 2: Willis who has passed away, and the film was dedicated
Speaker 2: to him. He was a wonderful man, a great researcher,
Speaker 2: and he brought so much to the spiritual and conspiracy fields.
Speaker 2: And like I said, the film was dedicated to him.
Speaker 2: He brought some wonderful insights into the near death synchronicities
Speaker 2: section on the film. And I believe that is it.
Speaker 2: My beautiful wife, Jennifer Halcom helped with the the videography,
Speaker 2: some of the filming, some of the quality control and overall,
Speaker 2: you know, assisted with everything along the way. So thank
Speaker 2: her so much. And that's about it. Besides my dog Sally,
Speaker 2: who was there for support.
Speaker 1: Gotta have her there for support. How did you juggle
Speaker 1: all of those people being in the documentary? Because I
Speaker 1: had I had a rough time just making a clockwork
Speaker 1: shining with six people. And I feel like the more
Speaker 1: people that you have in your movie, the more strenuous
Speaker 1: and more rough it is to actually make. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like that you split up all We're getting into
Speaker 1: some technical yeah, with filmmaking, but do you feel like
Speaker 1: that you you split them up like evenly? And they
Speaker 1: had a good amount of runtime, Like how did I
Speaker 1: tried to do?
Speaker 2: I think they each had an equal amount of time
Speaker 2: more or less. There were a couple, like the Last
Speaker 2: Minute edition mister Butler, who probably had the least amount
Speaker 2: of time, but it was still I believe, very fair
Speaker 2: enough to get some great information and his own personal
Speaker 2: story out there. We're gonna feature even more in part two.
Speaker 2: There's going to be some of the same people returning
Speaker 2: to provide more information because we had so much We
Speaker 2: had so much content just from the first production that
Speaker 2: it's going into part two, but we're also going to
Speaker 2: cycle in some new people. And yes, it was extremely
Speaker 2: difficult trying to manage that and storyboard everything, and that's
Speaker 2: why it took me like probably a little around a
Speaker 2: year to get this one finished, as opposed to around
Speaker 2: six months for the first film we did called Louisiana.
Speaker 2: But it really I think I put it together in
Speaker 2: a great coherent way and it flows perfectly. So I'm
Speaker 2: really happy with the way it turned out. And this
Speaker 2: has all been an experiment for me, really, especially the
Speaker 2: first one. I was never expecting for it to do
Speaker 2: anything that it did, and I'm blessed and grateful that
Speaker 2: it did. So. I learned so much from making that
Speaker 2: first film, and I learned so much from making this one.
Speaker 2: The next one will be even better. As you know,
Speaker 2: those skills just that's what comes along with making these
Speaker 2: things because you get some practice. Boy, you get some practice.
Speaker 1: You definitely get practice. And yeah, the same with mine
Speaker 1: with Jfkoks learned a lot making that one, and then
Speaker 1: it all transferred and made it even better in a
Speaker 1: clockwork shiny So what do you mentioned the sleep paralysis there?
Speaker 1: Have you ever had sleep proalysis before?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I featured myself in the film. I did
Speaker 2: a little re enactment and everything, but yeah, uh it's
Speaker 2: pretty funny. Wait do you see that? But uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did. I had sleep paralys and it was around oh,
Speaker 2: it was probably right when I was first starting to
Speaker 2: kind of have my awakening and just be interested in
Speaker 2: the weird shit that I'm interested in again, around twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, But it was also when I was going
Speaker 2: through my divorce and it was a very dark time
Speaker 2: in my life, and I was having trouble sleeping at night,
Speaker 2: so I would take naps during the day, and this
Speaker 2: never really happened at night for some reason. It was
Speaker 2: when I would try to take naps during the day
Speaker 2: and it was like a typical sleep paralysis, that experience
Speaker 2: that you hear about. I was I couldn't move my
Speaker 2: eyes were it seemed like they were open and open
Speaker 2: enough to see the room. Things were a little hazy,
Speaker 2: and I know I was awake. I could feel things,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't move my body, and I would see
Speaker 2: shadows walking around. I'd look over and there was it
Speaker 2: looked like there was someone walking down the hallway, but
Speaker 2: you couldn't make out any thing, and they it did
Speaker 2: just look like a shadow, but eventually it would turn
Speaker 2: into two or three people walking past, and the last
Speaker 2: few times it was like a shadow people party in
Speaker 2: my kitchen. I just there was like a bunch of
Speaker 2: shadows just walking around in my kitchen. Very strange, not
Speaker 2: really threatening. I did feel like terrified because I knew
Speaker 2: there was nobody in my house. And then the very
Speaker 2: last time the shadow, one of the shadow people actually
Speaker 2: walked into my room and was kind of circling the bed,
Speaker 2: and I heard this extremely loud banging noise coming from
Speaker 2: the ceiling and I could see my ceiling fan and
Speaker 2: I thought my ceiling was gonna explode on me. It
Speaker 2: was like boo, it was vibrating my whole room and
Speaker 2: me and I thought I didn't know what the fuck
Speaker 2: was gonna happen. I got terrified, and eventually I would
Speaker 2: be able to just pull myself out of it. I
Speaker 2: have no idea what that was. We could talk about
Speaker 2: some of the theories that were presented, but after I
Speaker 2: got through my divorce, got through to a better state
Speaker 2: of mind, that shit just stopped and I haven't experienced
Speaker 2: any of it since. So again we can go back
Speaker 2: to that perception thing. I'm in a shitty state of
Speaker 2: mind having these sleep paralysis experiences. As soon as I
Speaker 2: get things better in my life, they go away. Is
Speaker 2: there a link. I think so.
Speaker 1: To anyone that's ever experienced sleep paralysis, I've experienced it twice,
Speaker 1: just like you. It's a very scary thing and it's
Speaker 1: one of the most terrifying things I think that has
Speaker 1: ever happened, and it feels very real. And one of
Speaker 1: mine was the first one, I didn't see anything. The
Speaker 1: second one I did see something, and it was like
Speaker 1: this shadow that was in like a had like a
Speaker 1: top hat on. I haven't really talked about it a
Speaker 1: lot because there's so much, you know, nonsense about the
Speaker 1: hat Man and it's kind of become like.
Speaker 2: A very interesting that there's a hat archetype. But yeah, going.
Speaker 1: And the second time is when I seen the hat
Speaker 1: Man's shadow. It was in my room and it was
Speaker 1: like it was like hanging from the ceiling. So it
Speaker 1: had like a noose around its neck and the shadow
Speaker 1: was like hanging from the ceiling and I had a
Speaker 1: top hat on, and it was like shaking its head
Speaker 1: like really fast, huh. And I was like laying flat
Speaker 1: on my back. The first time that I ever experienced it,
Speaker 1: I was laying on my right side and there was
Speaker 1: two what felt like two hands that was placed on
Speaker 1: my back. One on the center on my back and
Speaker 1: the other one on the left side of my back,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't move at all. I could just look
Speaker 1: at my at the dresser, like the not the dresser,
Speaker 1: but the closet, because I was right what was right
Speaker 1: in front of my vision. And the only thing that
Speaker 1: snapped me out of that was that my roommate came
Speaker 1: like opened the door, and I just jumped out of
Speaker 1: the bed and I was like a giant breath because
Speaker 1: I was almost hyperventilating because I couldn't breathe. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: it was like almost like it was sucking the breath
Speaker 1: out of me. Wow. And uh yeah, Luckily he came
Speaker 1: into the room and knocked it off or whatever. But
Speaker 1: very very strange experiences there. And I don't really know
Speaker 1: what to think of it because a lot of people
Speaker 1: are like, it's demons, and then some people have that
Speaker 1: there's actually a show. I can't remember the name of
Speaker 1: the show, but I watched the first couple of episodes
Speaker 1: and it was basically about sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: And oh a nightmare or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a newer show. It might have been
Speaker 1: on Netflix or something. But yeah, this lady that puts
Speaker 1: something on her ceiling. You know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: to let her know that the dream isn't real or
Speaker 1: like the scenario or those sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, Yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: good show. I don't remember too much about it. But
Speaker 2: the theories that were presented in the film are paranormal
Speaker 2: in nature. Mostly, I don't claim to have any idea
Speaker 2: what's happening. The presenter that we had, Vicki Joy Anderson,
Speaker 2: she's had sleep paralysis experiences her whole life. She still does,
Speaker 2: but she also interviews dozens hundreds of people who have
Speaker 2: the experiences. She writes about it. She does look at
Speaker 2: it through a Christian lens. She does believe that these
Speaker 2: are nefarious entities. She believes that our state of mind
Speaker 2: is attracting these negative, what you would call non human
Speaker 2: intelligences during that hypnagogic state because we are consciousness, we
Speaker 2: are open to it, we're a step outside our normal
Speaker 2: perception what someone would call the astral realms. Then that
Speaker 2: these intelligences reside there, that there's actually an ecosystem of
Speaker 2: life forms just beyond our perception that you would consider
Speaker 2: negative and positive that can present themselves, interact with us,
Speaker 2: affect us in different ways when we're in these not
Speaker 2: only sleep paralysis, dreams, altered states, meditative states, even day dreams.
Speaker 2: There's certain drugs that can do it. There's certain places
Speaker 2: that can put people into different states of mind and
Speaker 2: of awareness that within those states, there's some strange shit
Speaker 2: that can happen. And it's theorized by for sleep paralysis
Speaker 2: by Vicky Joy, that these entities are basically performing some
Speaker 2: sort of astral or out of body abduction where they
Speaker 2: are attempting to affect your way of thinking, keep you
Speaker 2: in a negative state of mind. There could be a
Speaker 2: variety of quote unquote agendas that these beings have for
Speaker 2: the people that they affect during sleep paralysis. So that's
Speaker 2: explored and her story is explored, but she says what's
Speaker 2: most interesting about all of it. She started documenting people's
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis experiences over a decade ago, probably yeah, almost
Speaker 2: fifteen something years ago, and she said that the experiences
Speaker 2: are collectively changing in a somewhat similar direction. She said,
Speaker 2: it used to be the shadow people and you know,
Speaker 2: you're more classic entities, the hat man that would appear,
Speaker 2: things like that, but she said now they are like
Speaker 2: technological beings. They're appearing more as people are seeing cyborgs
Speaker 2: and robots and machine elves and all these more like
Speaker 2: technologically based entities that are presenting themselves oddly enough, during
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis experiences. She's currently writing her third book about this.
Speaker 2: They only come out at night three, but in part
Speaker 2: two she does touch on that a good bit. It's
Speaker 2: very fascinating to hear the similarities in people's experience as
Speaker 2: relates to that, But I couldn't tell you man, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting though.
Speaker 1: Well, when you look at the state of consciousness and
Speaker 1: the way that people fear certain things, in the way
Speaker 1: that these types of experience this is evolve over time,
Speaker 1: you can see that track with the UFO phenomenon as well.
Speaker 1: What people fear, they normally then relate to something otherworldly.
Speaker 1: Right when people are fearing nuclear devastation, the aliens that
Speaker 1: are contacting them are telling them that that we need
Speaker 1: to lay down our nuclear arms, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's that same type of when we're in fear of
Speaker 1: the environment, the aliens are all of a sudden, like
Speaker 1: you need to clean up your environment. When we're in
Speaker 1: fear of you know, world War three, they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys need peace, right. It's like this, it's almost
Speaker 1: like a reflection in something that we want to hear
Speaker 1: coming back to us because we're not hearing it from
Speaker 1: the you know, the people that are in quote unquote
Speaker 1: in charge, you know, so we get it from this
Speaker 1: other worldly type source. And that's kind of like what
Speaker 1: you're explaining now is that it's changed from the supposed
Speaker 1: organic type of entity and now it's getting more into
Speaker 1: a technological type of entity, which is exactly where our
Speaker 1: society is moving toward with AI robotics. So it's like
Speaker 1: our perception.
Speaker 2: Man, you're getting to the heart of the movie right here.
Speaker 2: This is it. Yeah, this is basically what we explore
Speaker 2: the collective, not only the collective, but the where the
Speaker 2: individual is at. We have the collective experience, which moves
Speaker 2: with the collective mind where we're at technologically, our understanding
Speaker 2: of UFOs and whatever these non human intelligences may be.
Speaker 2: And as we move into the technological age, the phenomenon
Speaker 2: becomes more technological, more sci fi and this it's across
Speaker 2: the board. But the individual experience, it really passes through
Speaker 2: that person's individual perceptual lens, so they're going to have
Speaker 2: that layer on top of it. So say that two
Speaker 2: people are essentially, if you could call it, having the
Speaker 2: same experience, but one person is being attacked by a
Speaker 2: demon with harry dildo and then the other one is
Speaker 2: being massaged by a beautiful angel. But essentially it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be the same experience, but the person being attacked
Speaker 2: with the demon dildo has been traumatized recently, are there
Speaker 2: in a bad relationship, or there's drugs involved, and then
Speaker 2: the person who's being massaged by an angel is love
Speaker 2: and light and having beautiful times in their life. And
Speaker 2: this seems to be across the board with people's state
Speaker 2: of mind versus the experiences that they're having. And you know,
Speaker 2: I couldn't really get down to the fine details of
Speaker 2: each person's life and experience and tell you one hundred
Speaker 2: percent if they were in a bad state of mind
Speaker 2: when they had this experience. But if you look at
Speaker 2: the overall phenomena and the hundreds and hundreds of people
Speaker 2: that we've both talked to, I mean we're coming to
Speaker 2: almost the same conclusion here that whatever is happening is
Speaker 2: going to be based on our collective and into individual perception.
Speaker 2: What that trigger is is the fascinating question what what
Speaker 2: the intelligence behind it is, if it's just us, if
Speaker 2: we are producing it, or if there is external factors
Speaker 2: or external origination. That is some of the bigger questions
Speaker 2: that we get into as well. But that's really the
Speaker 2: you know, the the meat and potatoes of the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think what you're explaining there is this
Speaker 1: biifurcation you remember back like I don't know, started in
Speaker 1: the late two thousands where the spiritualist and the gurus
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, there's going to be this split
Speaker 1: from Old Earth into New Earth, and but there's going
Speaker 1: to be like these people over here are going to
Speaker 1: be living in like a golden age of humanity and
Speaker 1: everything's going to be great and awesome, and then these
Speaker 1: people over here are going to be like living in
Speaker 1: the dark ages. You know, they were half right, but
Speaker 1: the way that they explained it is completely wrong. But
Speaker 1: we're like essentially living during that period right now, Like
Speaker 1: we have that right now, Like there's a section of
Speaker 1: the population that is like, this is the best time
Speaker 1: ever to be alive, and then another section of the
Speaker 1: population is like, this is the worst time to be alive.
Speaker 1: This is going to be tyranny, This is going to
Speaker 1: be a dictatorship, right. Yeah, it's like what exactly what
Speaker 1: they were explaining before, But they just had the concept
Speaker 1: and like the idea completely wrong. They were looking at
Speaker 1: it as like an actual like five D like ascension.
Speaker 1: You know, they spiffed it up and made it seem
Speaker 1: all magical on everything.
Speaker 2: Now you're getting into the synchronistic aspects and the incredible
Speaker 2: amazing event that can happen based off of self fulfilling
Speaker 2: prophecies and collective self fulfilling prophecies based on our fears,
Speaker 2: based on what we understand about any given event or
Speaker 2: possible future event, or possible state of mind of humanity.
Speaker 2: Like you were just discussing, the seeds are planted, and
Speaker 2: we first started hearing about this a long time ago,
Speaker 2: and it seems like these seeds they tend to be
Speaker 2: able to self replicate, and in a sense, it's like
Speaker 2: a parasite. It takes over the minds of the collective
Speaker 2: and it begins to in a sense, cause these events
Speaker 2: to manifest and come to fruition because it's like a
Speaker 2: constant reminder, it's constant information in the very back of
Speaker 2: your mind. These possibilities that keep popping up based on
Speaker 2: our perception of events that unfold like it, for example,
Speaker 2: Trump and the Apocalypse, Trump and the Antichrist. You don't
Speaker 2: know how many times I've had guests that recently that
Speaker 2: believe that this administration represents the the mark of the Beast,
Speaker 2: the return of the Antichrist based on Biblical fulfillment, and
Speaker 2: they can name you these incredible prophecies that have correlations
Speaker 2: that if you look at it the right way, it'd
Speaker 2: be like, damn, that's spot on, We're in the apocalypse,
Speaker 2: He's the Antichrist. But if you have a different perspective.
Speaker 1: To squint your eyes, you have to squint your eyes
Speaker 1: really hard and then till your head sideways.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. It depends on your perspective
Speaker 2: at the time. You do have the opposite that I've noticed,
Speaker 2: where people have Trump hypnosis, where this man can do
Speaker 2: nothing wrong and they see nothing bad that the administration
Speaker 2: is doing. And then you have the extreme opposite, which
Speaker 2: was what I was just saying. But again, individual perceptive perception.
Speaker 2: But we have these collective strange events that occur based
Speaker 2: on where the collective is at and what you're saying,
Speaker 2: could be very true just because of the split that
Speaker 2: we're seeing and the representation I was just saying, in
Speaker 2: the example of Trump, we have very different mindsets that
Speaker 2: are split right down the middle right now, and it's
Speaker 2: pretty incredible. It's more divided that I think I've ever
Speaker 2: seen it.
Speaker 1: But that's the way that it's always been. People are
Speaker 1: never everyone is not going to be happy with anybody.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who it is up there. There's going
Speaker 1: to be a section of the population that is not
Speaker 1: happy and is going to try and correlate all these
Speaker 1: things to the most negative side, and then there's gonna
Speaker 1: be the people that's going to try and correlate it
Speaker 1: to the most positive side. Right if it was the
Speaker 1: opposite way around, and Kamala Harris became president, there would
Speaker 1: be the exact set of people that are saying that
Speaker 1: Trump is the worst is going to be saying the
Speaker 1: Kamala is the best, and the people there saying that
Speaker 1: Kamala is the best is gonna it's gonna be it's
Speaker 1: gonna flip flop. That's the That's the way that it's
Speaker 1: always been, and that's the way that it is always
Speaker 1: going to continue to be unless something radically changes. And
Speaker 1: I think that the only way that we get out
Speaker 1: of that system is with a one world order. That's
Speaker 1: the only way that you get out of this. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is this rock that we've you know, this corner
Speaker 1: that we've backed ourselves into.
Speaker 2: How many emails have you gotten that's say that you're
Speaker 2: c I A you're a deep steak? Is that that
Speaker 2: statement that you just made.
Speaker 1: The people in the comments section of this But that's
Speaker 1: the only way, logically and critically to get us out
Speaker 1: of this situation. And I'm not saying that that is
Speaker 1: the best option, but it's the only option. So the
Speaker 1: only thing that you can do to to and that's
Speaker 1: the way. That's the way that they've created it. They've
Speaker 1: created it that way on purpose. They've created that division.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, in the end it will have to be
Speaker 1: this one world system, you know.
Speaker 3: Because peoples, Well that's what that's what that's the whole
Speaker 3: trick of the game is that you make the people
Speaker 3: that don't want something eventually want it by essentially begging
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 2: Well, nobody wants to see it, but what you said
Speaker 2: there is going to be inevitable. Whether you think it's
Speaker 2: right or wrong, it's happening like there's it's unavoidable. We're
Speaker 2: already headed in that direction. The question for me is
Speaker 2: how dystopian do you want it to be. I'd rather
Speaker 2: not have drones policing this guy with pre crime programming
Speaker 2: that if they believe you could commit a crime, they're
Speaker 2: gonna zap you dead. I'd rather not have that. But
Speaker 2: if we can have some kind of balance where there's
Speaker 2: this harmonious system and we don't have to worry about
Speaker 2: killer dogs, robot dogs and police drones, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think there has to be a balance,
Speaker 2: and I think that's where a lot of people are
Speaker 2: concerned about, including myself. But again I put myself outside
Speaker 2: of all of that and observe I take the good
Speaker 2: and I don't take the bed. You know, it's really
Speaker 2: all about a balancing act right now, and people seem
Speaker 2: to be unaware of that aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Well, when you listen to people in their contact experiences,
Speaker 1: and this is me just you know, taking them out
Speaker 1: their word, I don't necessarily believe it, but based off
Speaker 1: of what they say, they essentially say that the entities
Speaker 1: that they contact and the entities that they talk to
Speaker 1: and the entities that they've talked to them when they're
Speaker 1: asked about like how they operate there. It's essentially a
Speaker 1: hive mind. This essentially a one world order, is what
Speaker 1: it is. And if they are super highly advanced and
Speaker 1: we look at them as like gods, if they exist, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they do, because I really have
Speaker 1: no idea, but if they do and we look at
Speaker 1: them like that they're gods and that there's so much
Speaker 1: more highly technologically advanced, would that not be the ultimate
Speaker 1: conclusion for us as well?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have the answer to that or
Speaker 2: any of these things, but I love gathering the information.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the whole extraterrestrial thing, it's very disappointing,
Speaker 2: I'll say, just to just to throw that at there.
Speaker 2: Because I started out this was one of my favorite things,
Speaker 2: UFOs aliens. I believed that there were in fact little
Speaker 2: green men coming from different planets and they were pro
Speaker 2: ready and all the narratives, you know, the traditional narratives.
Speaker 2: I was there when I first started this, and it
Speaker 2: began to change and shift and now it's it could
Speaker 2: be many things, and I have many considerations and possibilities
Speaker 2: of what people are experiencing with extraterrestrial contact. Now, for me,
Speaker 2: I've never experienced anything really paranormal besides that sleep paralysis,
Speaker 2: which you know it's subjective, could be paranormal, could be
Speaker 2: a psychosomatic whatever again, perception thing, But I never had
Speaker 2: any paranormal experiences. And before I did this film, I
Speaker 2: had started using psychedelics magic mushrooms, mostly for therapeutic purposes,
Speaker 2: and I did get information from the experiences, and that
Speaker 2: led me to explore it in a different way, as
Speaker 2: in initiating contact experiences with whatever can be communicated without
Speaker 2: there Again, I don't have an answer to what I
Speaker 2: was communicating with. I just for now call it the
Speaker 2: higher self. It could be many different things. It could
Speaker 2: be some sort of collective intelligence. It could be the
Speaker 2: secret societies beaming mk ultra voices into my head. It
Speaker 2: could it could be many things. But I want to
Speaker 2: put myself through those experiences because to me, that's probably
Speaker 2: the closest I get to really having any type of
Speaker 2: extraterressural contact experience. So I really immersed myself into very
Speaker 2: powerful psychedelic experiences in with the intent of initiating those
Speaker 2: that contact, and it did happen, and there were some
Speaker 2: very insane experiences and lots of I believe valuable information
Speaker 2: that I've gained. I could not tell tell you how
Speaker 2: it was that was providing the information, only that it
Speaker 2: was information that I wasn't aware of before the experience,
Speaker 2: and if it was locked up deep in my subconscious
Speaker 2: and that's the way I got it, that's great, but
Speaker 2: I have I couldn't tell you where that trigger came from.
Speaker 2: And the experiences became very synchronistic in nature, as in
Speaker 2: the what I would experience during those events would connect
Speaker 2: things and kind of lead me in certain directions in
Speaker 2: my waking life. And that was to me my only
Speaker 2: confirmation that there was there's something else. And I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is, and I don't know if it's aliens, angels, demons, ourselves, archetypes, eggrigres,
Speaker 2: all options, all possibilities, but there is something that can communicate,
Speaker 2: provide information, guide us in certain directions. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: it can be weaponized and has been already. And that's
Speaker 2: where the danger comes in with any of this stuff
Speaker 2: is there's been the technology. There's technology out there that
Speaker 2: can mimic to a t paranormal activity and experiences and
Speaker 2: voices in your head whatever. So that's going to be
Speaker 2: explored more in part two of the film. Uh, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where I'm kind of out with that.
Speaker 1: Well, there's also this remote viewing technique called perfect site
Speaker 1: integration that allows a remove viewer to remove you a
Speaker 1: certain area or a location and essentially by locate there
Speaker 1: and be able to move around objects and interact with
Speaker 1: the environment. So that is a really good explanation for
Speaker 1: what some might experience as poltergeist like activity. Right Yeah,
Speaker 1: might not even be a dead dead person or some
Speaker 1: sort of spirit or a ghost or a demon or whatever.
Speaker 1: It can literally be another human being that's alive right
Speaker 1: now in our reality. I mean, I think that that makes.
Speaker 2: Like, what if say a person is meditating and they
Speaker 2: want to connect to the Ashtar Command and that's their
Speaker 2: intention and they put that intention out there. Well, if
Speaker 2: we're at the level where any of our thoughts could
Speaker 2: be read, maybe and there's some sort of secret military
Speaker 2: base down yonder that wants to perpetuate a little narrative
Speaker 2: you put out that you want to speak to the
Speaker 2: Ashtar Command, that stations be like Jody's trying to contact
Speaker 2: the Ashtar command again, put in the program, and then boom,
Speaker 2: Nickyard from the Blackdocs fleet of Ashtar commands starts talking
Speaker 2: to you and giving you the best damn information you
Speaker 2: ever heard that's gonna save the planet. Next thing you know,
Speaker 2: you're on the conference tour, You're on Rogan and things
Speaker 2: are blowing up for you. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, that's one of the things that Rogan has said
Speaker 1: before is that the things that he's experienced under psychedelic influence,
Speaker 1: like mushrooms and stuff, I'll pace and overblow any alien
Speaker 1: that would land in his backyard. He's like, I've seen
Speaker 1: way wilder things than a UFO landing in my backyard
Speaker 1: or a UFO landing on the White House line would
Speaker 1: not be shocking to me, because I've seen way crazier
Speaker 1: things on these on these types of psychedelics.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, man, I mean the last. I don't
Speaker 2: use magic mushrooms anymore. I quit after the last sex
Speaker 2: experience I had last year, which actually was yeah, last year,
Speaker 2: it was May the fourth, May the fourth be with
Speaker 2: you all. That was the last time I did. But
Speaker 2: that experience was so intense and terrifying, but really It
Speaker 2: was like a culmination of everything. It was like, this
Speaker 2: is what you've been looking for. Do not come back here,
Speaker 2: Do not come back here. Like the message was very strong,
Speaker 2: but it just led me to a new level of
Speaker 2: spiritual understanding in a very physical way. Actually led me
Speaker 2: down the street to someone's house that was very profound.
Speaker 2: I don't have time to tell that whole story. I
Speaker 2: did it in a podcast. If you go to it
Speaker 2: happened made the fourth That's an episode I did about
Speaker 2: about that final mushroom experience, which it skipped. Oh gosh,
Speaker 2: it was terrifying, but it really changed my life in
Speaker 2: many ways and kind of set me on a new
Speaker 2: trajetory and understanding of things. But uh yeah, I no longer.
Speaker 2: I no longer do magic mushrooms because, as mister mckinna said,
Speaker 2: when you get the message, you hang up the phone.
Speaker 2: I got that message.
Speaker 1: Message coming through lonclar All right, let's check out your
Speaker 1: trailer for you. I'll have some more questions for you after.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. The nature of this experience seems to
Speaker 2: always be just beyond the reach of our science, technology,
Speaker 2: and consciousness collective.
Speaker 4: There's layers upon layers upon layers.
Speaker 2: Does have such an element of mystery to this place.
Speaker 2: Why are we here? We're getting closer to the truth now.
Speaker 2: Too many people experiencing profound interactions with conscious entities.
Speaker 4: I'm focused on the non human intelligence contact phenomenon in dreams.
Speaker 1: Dreams involve interactions with real entities. People are waking up,
Speaker 1: paralyzed their sensing or seeing something very evil in the room.
Speaker 2: I have experienced sleep paralysis, shadow people start to appear.
Speaker 5: I was taken from my earliest memories by non human
Speaker 5: alien entities. More and more people are wanting to talk
Speaker 5: about these things.
Speaker 2: A upologist would say, well, that's obviously an extraterrestrial in
Speaker 2: our paranormal research, would.
Speaker 1: They will have the ghost? Well what if it's all
Speaker 1: of those things?
Speaker 2: In none of those things, the entities, the intelligence that
Speaker 2: were just beyond our understanding.
Speaker 1: There seems to be something a little extra that can
Speaker 1: take forms of anything.
Speaker 2: I can't believe what I've seen, but it continues on.
Speaker 5: A daily basis.
Speaker 2: We're definitely not alone. UFOs UAPs portals opening up.
Speaker 4: I really thought this supernatural stuff you kind of grow
Speaker 4: up with that. Around here, you see a lot of
Speaker 4: strange things. I don't like to talk about skinwalkers too much.
Speaker 2: I had an experience with a skinwalker entity.
Speaker 4: People they would say they would transform into bears, into wolves.
Speaker 4: There's these bad things that occur, goals, rfos and all
Speaker 4: types of things coming from somewhere.
Speaker 2: Our beliefs, our emotions, and our fears all seem to
Speaker 2: heavily influence the nature of these experiences.
Speaker 3: There is so much more that we just don't have
Speaker 3: time for in this busy, loud, noisy.
Speaker 1: Life that we lead.
Speaker 4: All of this is planned, everything is synchronicity.
Speaker 2: There's so much more out there.
Speaker 1: We really are picking up such a small small percentage
Speaker 1: of the electrobagnetic spectrum. The world is an amazing place.
Speaker 2: It feels like we're God's in training.
Speaker 1: Sick sick. Yeah, that's tree tray in there. I've copied
Speaker 1: what he said because he said that on my show
Speaker 1: before too, and I've repeated that. But I added on
Speaker 1: that if you take a cryptid researcher to a place,
Speaker 1: they're going to say that it's a crypti too. So
Speaker 1: he went into if you take a ufologist to a place,
Speaker 1: they're going to come back and say that's UFOs and aliens.
Speaker 1: If you take a paranormal investigator to a place, they're
Speaker 1: going to come back and say that it is paranormal.
Speaker 1: If you take a bigfoot researcher to a place, they're
Speaker 1: going to come back and say that it's.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot right right. And that's really where the title came from.
Speaker 2: There's doors of perception. There's multiple options that we can
Speaker 2: choose based on where we're at, based on our beliefs,
Speaker 2: based on our fears. And the craziest part is if
Speaker 2: we have a shift in that perception, we can open
Speaker 2: a new door and just completely change the way we
Speaker 2: view things and have a completely new experience.
Speaker 1: I saw Brian Burns in there. I've had Ryan on
Speaker 1: the show. He's a good friend of both of ours.
Speaker 1: Did you go to his property?
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, we spent a couple of nights out there.
Speaker 1: Oh, tell us about that experience.
Speaker 2: That was weird, man, it was very very weird. So UFOs, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we saw the whatever, the orbs or the light shooting
Speaker 2: across the sky all night. Also, he said that we
Speaker 2: saw these purple lasers through the night vision and he
Speaker 2: said that was Black Ops teams that surrounded the area
Speaker 2: that were watching us. You could see them shining lasers
Speaker 2: and moving around like shadows like moving around. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: those are the black Ops guys. And there were only
Speaker 2: a few hundred feet away from us in the distance,
Speaker 2: just like watching us watch UFOs bro It was crazy.
Speaker 2: So we got that going on. We got the UFOs
Speaker 2: shooting around and right when we got like to Utah too,
Speaker 2: that within about forty miles of his ranch. I just
Speaker 2: we felt just nasty, a weird just feeling. It was icky.
Speaker 2: It was like we did. I didn't want to be there,
Speaker 2: like the whole time. I was so uncomfortable. I didn't
Speaker 2: sleep for two nights. Jim didn't sleep for two nights.
Speaker 2: It was just such a weird feeling. Ryan took us
Speaker 2: on a ride to the Petro Glyphs out there. We
Speaker 2: saw some incredible rock carvings and Petrock glypts and I
Speaker 2: got you know, included some of the footage of that
Speaker 2: in the film. And he also took us two walks
Speaker 2: all around the property during the day. We hit the
Speaker 2: bright Well. Actually put my foot on the property of
Speaker 2: Skinwalker Ranch, which I wasn't supposed to, but that's okay,
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, his property butts up to Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 2: So we got as close as we could. We were
Speaker 2: able to see some very interesting images from some of
Speaker 2: the cameras that Ryan has that manages to overlook a
Speaker 2: little bit of the ranch. And Okay, since this isn't
Speaker 2: Ryan saying this is me saying this. Ryan has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with this. But there were these weird cages
Speaker 2: in the skin marking ranch and they say that they
Speaker 2: put the livestock in there to attract the UFOs, right right,
Speaker 2: So I heard from someone that they actually have put
Speaker 2: people in there, and it may they may not have
Speaker 2: been completely willing at times because of the maybe screams
Speaker 2: that he's heard before. But again, this is me. You know,
Speaker 2: I heard this around about you know, no confirmation on
Speaker 2: any of that, so who knows on that one. But dude,
Speaker 2: the stories he told me were crazy. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: one of the craziest things he told me that his
Speaker 2: security guy calls him one night and he's like, you
Speaker 2: got I think three guys rummaging around your trailer out here,
Speaker 2: which you want me to do? He's like, get the gun
Speaker 2: and take care of it. So his security guy grabs
Speaker 2: whatever firearm he has, I think it was a rifle,
Speaker 2: and he goes out there and he approaches and there's
Speaker 2: three guys rummaging through. I'm like right outside the trailer,
Speaker 2: one of the trailers on Ryan's property, and he yells
Speaker 2: at him to freeze, and when he does, this is
Speaker 2: what he said, man, They all sat down like canines
Speaker 2: at the same time and looked up at him with
Speaker 2: eyeshine and then he said like he's like you freezer
Speaker 2: with the yelled something else at him, and then they
Speaker 2: started lunging at him like dogs. He starts picking him off,
Speaker 2: he said. He hits each one of them a couple
Speaker 2: of times, and eventually they turn around and start running
Speaker 2: the other way. But he said they didn't even look
Speaker 2: phased by the shots. They started running and they leaped
Speaker 2: over a fence like a dog jumping over a fence,
Speaker 2: and we're gone. The craziest part is the next day
Speaker 2: there was reports of these three members of the Ute
Speaker 2: tribe that were died of gunshot wounds, all found in
Speaker 2: three separate locations, all found for some reason, behind locked doors.
Speaker 2: So that is most likely the dudes that got capped
Speaker 2: by Ryan's security guy. And that is absolutely nuts, man.
Speaker 2: What Yeah, yes, it was pretty crazy, and I don't.
Speaker 1: They looked like human beings, but they acted.
Speaker 2: Like and they had eyeshine that humans don't normally have that,
Speaker 2: you know, canine eyeshine. Yeah, dude, he had. They had
Speaker 2: a few of those stories with these, you know, people
Speaker 2: that act like dogs or dogs that don't exactly fit
Speaker 2: the description of dogs, like some zombie dogs, dogs that
Speaker 2: shape shift into like different things, their limbs change lengths
Speaker 2: and things like that. Also humanoids that seem to appear
Speaker 2: differently and shape shift into animals. So he's seen some
Speaker 2: of the most wild ship out there.
Speaker 1: Zombie dogs, dogs do well, what would be the explanation
Speaker 1: of them being behind locked doors?
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 1: Do you think that would be more of like a projection,
Speaker 1: because that's what I was mentioning with the perfect side
Speaker 1: integration thing. It may be so deep into a meditative
Speaker 1: state that you're.
Speaker 2: Able to that's projected to.
Speaker 1: Locate yourself and turn into essentially an animal. That's what
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: That's the whole theory. That's the whole theory that also
Speaker 2: was presented in the movie. Had a member of the
Speaker 2: ute tribe. He was talking about the process of supposedly
Speaker 2: how to become a skim marker. You commit some sort
Speaker 2: of horrible atroctrocity, kill a family member or something like that.
Speaker 2: And then you have these ritual where you wear the
Speaker 2: animal of the pelt, the pelt of the animal you
Speaker 2: want to become, and you go, like you said, into
Speaker 2: a meditative state in a room and you project and
Speaker 2: that's what people see is you projecting yourself as whatever
Speaker 2: that animal is. Now, as far as these guys died
Speaker 2: of gunshot wounds, that's crazy. If if it can somehow
Speaker 2: affect your physical form what happens out there, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it's pretty wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be one hundred percent sure on exactly how
Speaker 1: it works, but I mean that would make That makes
Speaker 1: more sense than like, you know, physically shifting or physically
Speaker 1: turning into something. It would be more along the lines
Speaker 1: of like a projection and you're taking on the version
Speaker 1: that you have in your mind as to what animal.
Speaker 2: Dude. To me, that's scarier than if it was like
Speaker 2: just a paranormal manifestation, Like that's somebody with intention of
Speaker 2: doing some messed up stuff that has some major control
Speaker 2: over that shit. That to me is more terrifying than
Speaker 2: just like a ghost or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and it's really scary and I that's
Speaker 1: been my contention for a while while looking into the
Speaker 1: Skinwalker and like this paranormal stuff and Polterguy's like activity.
Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense, the most sense that
Speaker 1: it's that it's like a bylocation projection of somebody that's
Speaker 1: in a really deep meditative state. I mean, we know
Speaker 1: how remov youing like worked in the evolving nature of
Speaker 1: like remote viewing, and I think that that's like the ultimate,
Speaker 1: like the end goal of remote viewing is essentially by location,
Speaker 1: by locating your physical body, and now that can be
Speaker 1: your own physical body, or you can take the shape
Speaker 1: or the form of anything you want. Essentially, I feel
Speaker 1: like that would be the master form of that type
Speaker 1: of technology. Can't prove it, obviously, it can't prove it,
Speaker 1: but it makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure the level of knowledge
Speaker 2: that we have integrated with forms of technology, we can
Speaker 2: probably achieve some massively spooky things, because if any of
Speaker 2: the things that they were doing in the sixties and
Speaker 2: seventies has been expanded upon, the possibilities are pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, the levels of technology
Speaker 2: that is not available to the public is much more
Speaker 2: sophisticated than anything that we've ever could understand really, and
Speaker 2: when integrated with things like psychic remote viewing, I mean,
Speaker 2: who knows what's possible with that stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, it's another thing that is becoming really popular now
Speaker 1: is the phrase and what you have in your movie
Speaker 1: is NHI, right, non human intelligence. But it's another thing
Speaker 1: that literally coincides at this very moment with our technology
Speaker 1: and with AI, because AI is a non human intelligence.
Speaker 2: Well, to me, I have to go back to ancient accounts.
Speaker 2: I have to go back to the paranormal and experiences
Speaker 2: that have been documented before. Although we can't talk to
Speaker 2: those people, we can't find out if it's you know,
Speaker 2: real or any thing like that. That to me says
Speaker 2: that before we had access to these level of technology,
Speaker 2: this was capable. Now, whether it's still like you said,
Speaker 2: a person doing this and projecting himself to cause these
Speaker 2: events to happen or something else, to me, I still
Speaker 2: couldn't you know, I have no idea, but the exploration continues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like it's word games, it's word magic.
Speaker 1: And they use a really common phrase that can mean
Speaker 1: several different things, and that's a really popular one that's
Speaker 1: popped up recently. I think there was a two gentlemen
Speaker 1: from that that movie with the Fox guy James Fox.
Speaker 1: I think is Jos Phenomena the Phenomena. Yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have two guys on there for that was a
Speaker 1: part of that documentary and they were talking about non
Speaker 1: human intelligence and like all that. I'm like, well, this
Speaker 1: is just so interesting because right now we're seeing this
Speaker 1: gigantic boom and AI, which is non human intelligence. It's
Speaker 1: not a human it's an artificial non human intelligence. So
Speaker 1: whenever someone says, oh well, because the one guy was
Speaker 1: essentially saying, what wasn't one of the more you know,
Speaker 1: frightening things that you heard or whatever, and he was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: the NHI, the non human intelligence. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, like, who's to say that there's
Speaker 1: even anybody in any of the craft, right, it could
Speaker 1: be operated by non human intelligence. It could be a drone.
Speaker 1: And that's what drones are. Drones are non human intelligence.
Speaker 1: I mean they have AI drones. That's pretty much what
Speaker 1: all of the drones were over New Jersey. They were
Speaker 1: all AI drones. Yeah, unfortunately operated by non human intelligence,
Speaker 1: operated by AI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole UFO thing's been just turned on its
Speaker 2: that and against us and weaponized. And these people, whether
Speaker 2: they are aware that they're being used to prop up
Speaker 2: these narratives n hi UAP, these new terms and the
Speaker 2: theories that go along with it, whether they're aware that
Speaker 2: they're being used to push out these narratives or not,
Speaker 2: they are, and there's they present it as if this
Speaker 2: is the way you know that it is, and they
Speaker 2: have some sort of deep understanding that it's an extraterrestrial
Speaker 2: when in reality they you know, I don't think these
Speaker 2: people have any idea. Although they have, they may have
Speaker 2: an understanding enough to manipulate whatever is occurring during these experiences.
Speaker 2: There's I think there's always some level of occurrence that
Speaker 2: is beyond human understanding or should be. And I think
Speaker 2: that some of these nerd dorks need to stop messing
Speaker 2: with a lot of that stuff. But that's just me.
Speaker 1: Well, Chris, thanks so much for coming on, brother, really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Can you let people know one more time
Speaker 1: where they can wash the pre release of your documentary
Speaker 1: before it becomes available on streaming platforms.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, thank you again for having me on. Sir,
Speaker 2: Always enjoy the conversations. You guys can find it the
Speaker 2: easiest way. Just go to our website Forbidden Knowledge dot News.
Speaker 2: Click on that learn more banner about the Forbidden documentary.
Speaker 2: From there you can rent it for two ninety nine,
Speaker 2: purchase ten ADP for seven dollars, or a four K
Speaker 2: version for twelve dollars. Trailers on YouTube and rumble, and
Speaker 2: we really appreciate any of you guys supporting us by
Speaker 2: purchasing or renting the film. It helps tremendously with our
Speaker 2: promotion and any upcoming events and the production of our
Speaker 2: part two of Doors of Perceptions. So thank you all
Speaker 2: for that. Thank you again, Brother always amaze Titties.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on. Really appreciate it. And
Speaker 1: the link to watch the pre release of his brand
Speaker 1: new documentary, Doors of Perception is in the description of
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Speaker 1: Chris stay with me, Brother