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<v Speaker 1>that one. So with that down, we have with us

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<v Speaker 1>today making his triumphant return here to talk with this

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<v Speaker 1>about his brand new documentary, Doors of Perception. Chris Matthew,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going, my friend, writer? Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for having me back. It's been a little while. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>ready to once again get weird with you, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, always getting weird. So what inspired you to

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<v Speaker 1>make this documentary and what inspired you to name it

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<v Speaker 1>the Doors of Perception? Because perception is a really interesting word.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in our perceptions of since we've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>the show, I mean, my thoughts and ideas and believes

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<v Speaker 1>have changed rapidly for the past, you know, five years

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<v Speaker 1>since I've done this. How long have you been in

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<v Speaker 1>this space in doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Your show, Chris Face, I mean Forbidden Knowledge News started

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<v Speaker 2>as a Facebook blog in like two thy fourteen or

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, and then like twenty sixteen was a YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 2>But I started you know, digging into all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>really about twenty twelve and it was all downhill from there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been I've been in here for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So roughly around ten years or so. How has your

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<v Speaker 1>perceptions before we get into the beat the documentary here,

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<v Speaker 1>how has your perceptions of the things that you cover

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<v Speaker 1>on your show changed since the very beginning?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I can't keep a single perspective for probably more

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<v Speaker 2>than a day. This shit is constantly evolving and changing

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<v Speaker 2>and based on new information and ideas and inspiration and

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<v Speaker 2>intuition that I have. It's constantly evolving and molding. So

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<v Speaker 2>it has changed dramatically from when I first started doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the stuff has come full circle and

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of validated my original release, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it's just shot off into all directions. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>many layers to a lot of this that it seems

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<v Speaker 2>almost impossible to get to the real heart of any

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<v Speaker 2>certain conspiracy or these paranormal events or high impact events

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<v Speaker 2>that occur, but we try to get as much information

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<v Speaker 2>as possible. There's a lot, as you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of muddying of the waters in the past few years,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's become very difficult to find good information. But

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<v Speaker 2>we do have our go tos as far as great

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<v Speaker 2>researchers that we can rely on that we have been

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<v Speaker 2>able to for the past decade or so, that we

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<v Speaker 2>can always check back with is to compare notes see

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<v Speaker 2>if any of the information that we're getting still matches up,

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<v Speaker 2>still resonates. We can do that with the original texts

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<v Speaker 2>in books and authors and classic researchers that have presented

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<v Speaker 2>information over the years, but we just really have to

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<v Speaker 2>pass it through our perception filter. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>perception is important. I think it's everything. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>all these experiences from paranormal to UFO's abduction, near death experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>psychedelic experiences, meditation, they're going to all pass through the

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<v Speaker 2>perception filter. Where we're at in our lives, where we're

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<v Speaker 2>at emotionally, spiritually, mentally, how healthy we are, the way

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<v Speaker 2>we view things, the way we understand things, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to heavily dictate the outcome and how we

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<v Speaker 2>feel and interact with any certain experience that occurs. And

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<v Speaker 2>doors of perception. The title really was stolen from all

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<v Speaker 2>this Huxley's classic book, but it's more of a reinterpretation

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm basically stealing that name because it has tiny

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<v Speaker 2>bits and pieces of maybe some ideas that Huxley presented

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<v Speaker 2>about psychedelics and some of the connections that we can

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<v Speaker 2>make between synchronicities and certain events. But I really took

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<v Speaker 2>it to a completely different level and added my own

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<v Speaker 2>life experiences, the people that I presented in the film,

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<v Speaker 2>the amazing researchers and guests that I've had, and I

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<v Speaker 2>combined it with everything that I've learned over the past decade,

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<v Speaker 2>my understandings, my beliefs, but I presented in a really

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<v Speaker 2>non biased way, really asking questions and not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>this is the way things are, but could this be

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<v Speaker 2>the way things are? And I think all the presenters

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<v Speaker 2>that I featured in there did a really great job

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<v Speaker 2>of doing that very thing. And that's what we explore

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<v Speaker 2>the we explore consciousness, but through the lens of these experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal experiences, altered states, near death contact, extraterrestrial contact experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>and the synchronistic events that occur in our daily lives

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<v Speaker 2>that seem to tie these things together lead us in

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<v Speaker 2>certain directions and even tell us story, it seems at

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<v Speaker 2>some times. So that's what the film explores and super

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<v Speaker 2>excited about it, and the presenters that were participating in

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<v Speaker 2>the film and shared their ideas and insights and research.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is where the birth of Doors of Perception

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<v Speaker 2>came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can people watch this right now? Because you have

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<v Speaker 1>a pre release copy available, So where can people watch

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<v Speaker 1>this immediately?

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<v Speaker 2>You go to our website Forbidden Knowledge dot News. Right

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<v Speaker 2>on that front page you'll see the Doors of Perception,

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<v Speaker 2>the front picture of the film. You click on the

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<v Speaker 2>link right there and you can either rent it. They

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<v Speaker 2>have a link to our Vimeo site. You can rent

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<v Speaker 2>it for two ninety nine or purchase the ten eighty

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<v Speaker 2>p version for seven. You can even get a four

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<v Speaker 2>K version for twelve dollars. And this, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a special edition, pre release version. There's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a few things that may be slightly different, a few

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<v Speaker 2>additions that may not go into the film that will

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<v Speaker 2>be going on streaming platforms in a few months. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great way to help support us and a

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<v Speaker 2>great way to help promote the film before it hits

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<v Speaker 2>streaming platforms. And the trailer is also available on YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>and rum rumble on our website as well, so very

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<v Speaker 2>easily accessible, and I believe you'll have some links for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I have the link posted to the website

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<v Speaker 1>where you can order the pre release copy of Doors

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<v Speaker 1>of Perception. And I'm always into helping support independent I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's where the industry is moving toward independent filmmakers,

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<v Speaker 1>independent media. Just in general, we've seen this gigantic boom.

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<v Speaker 1>Soho who all is in this documentary? I saw Lindsey

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<v Speaker 1>Sharman in there, I saw Trey Hudson, Brandon Thomas. Who

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<v Speaker 1>else did you have in there? See?

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<v Speaker 2>If I can remember? Everybody got Daniel Rection. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a dream expert. He's the chief dream Officer at dream World.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically they do research and education into lucid dreaming techniques

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond basically shamanic dreaming, getting information from your dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>even learning how to control and interact with things in

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<v Speaker 2>your dreams. And he was one of the experts I

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<v Speaker 2>had on to discuss the dreams section in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, we have Brandon Thom, then we had

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<v Speaker 2>Vicki Joy Anderson. She is author of They Only Come

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<v Speaker 2>Out at Night, which is about sleep paralysis, her experiences

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<v Speaker 2>and the hundreds of sleep paralysis experiencers that she interviews

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<v Speaker 2>and compares the experiences and gives her own spin and

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<v Speaker 2>research into the possibilities of what's happening with that. She

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<v Speaker 2>was a great guest. Then we have Carlos Tanner. He

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<v Speaker 2>is founder of the Ayahuasca Foundation. He kicks off the

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<v Speaker 2>section on psychedelics in the film. We have Adam Butler,

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<v Speaker 2>author of Butler's DMT Field Guide. He's great. He was

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<v Speaker 2>actually a last minute addition to the film. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for doing that. And then let's see, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got Karen Wilkinson, who is a et abduction experience or

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<v Speaker 2>she had very horrific abduction experiences from a very young age,

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<v Speaker 2>which oddly enough involve military, So there's very interesting correlations

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<v Speaker 2>with that as well, which we kind of touch on

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<v Speaker 2>in the film Part two. We're going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>more of some nefarious things that may be occurring with

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<v Speaker 2>our military and some of the black projects. So then

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<v Speaker 2>we have the great Trey Hudson. He is a former

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<v Speaker 2>US Army intelligence officer, paranormal researcher, great friend of ours.

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<v Speaker 2>He frequents your show quite often. Amazing guy. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got Lindsay Sharman we have. I'm probably forgetting somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I am, I truly apologize. Dan lyss who

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay Sharman, I'm sorry. She is a psychic, intuitive author,

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<v Speaker 2>a healer, spiritual health. She was great. She presented some

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<v Speaker 2>great information on near death experiences and synchronicities. And Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Liss who is also a spiritual healer, intuitive psychic who

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<v Speaker 2>was also presenting information on near death experiences and synchronicities.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember, last, but not least, the great Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Willis who has passed away, and the film was dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>to him. He was a wonderful man, a great researcher,

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<v Speaker 2>and he brought so much to the spiritual and conspiracy fields.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, the film was dedicated to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He brought some wonderful insights into the near death synchronicities

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<v Speaker 2>section on the film. And I believe that is it.

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<v Speaker 2>My beautiful wife, Jennifer Halcom helped with the the videography,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the filming, some of the quality control and overall,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, assisted with everything along the way. So thank

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<v Speaker 2>her so much. And that's about it. Besides my dog Sally,

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<v Speaker 2>who was there for support.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta have her there for support. How did you juggle

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<v Speaker 1>all of those people being in the documentary? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>had I had a rough time just making a clockwork

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<v Speaker 1>shining with six people. And I feel like the more

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<v Speaker 1>people that you have in your movie, the more strenuous

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<v Speaker 1>and more rough it is to actually make. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that you split up all We're getting into

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<v Speaker 1>some technical yeah, with filmmaking, but do you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that you you split them up like evenly? And they

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<v Speaker 1>had a good amount of runtime, Like how did I

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<v Speaker 1>tried to do?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they each had an equal amount of time

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<v Speaker 2>more or less. There were a couple, like the Last

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<v Speaker 2>Minute edition mister Butler, who probably had the least amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time, but it was still I believe, very fair

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<v Speaker 2>enough to get some great information and his own personal

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<v Speaker 2>story out there. We're gonna feature even more in part two.

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<v Speaker 2>There's going to be some of the same people returning

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<v Speaker 2>to provide more information because we had so much We

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<v Speaker 2>had so much content just from the first production that

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<v Speaker 2>it's going into part two, but we're also going to

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<v Speaker 2>cycle in some new people. And yes, it was extremely

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<v Speaker 2>difficult trying to manage that and storyboard everything, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why it took me like probably a little around a

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<v Speaker 2>year to get this one finished, as opposed to around

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<v Speaker 2>But it really I think I put it together in

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<v Speaker 2>The next one will be even better. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those skills just that's what comes along with making these

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<v Speaker 1>You definitely get practice. And yeah, the same with mine

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<v Speaker 1>with Jfkoks learned a lot making that one, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it all transferred and made it even better in a

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<v Speaker 1>clockwork shiny So what do you mentioned the sleep paralysis there?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever had sleep proalysis before?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't. I featured myself in the film. I did

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<v Speaker 2>a little re enactment and everything, but yeah, uh it's

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<v Speaker 2>the weird shit that I'm interested in again, around twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, But it was also when I was going

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, and I was having trouble sleeping at night,

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<v Speaker 2>so I would take naps during the day, and this

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<v Speaker 2>when I would try to take naps during the day

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like a typical sleep paralysis, that experience

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<v Speaker 2>that you hear about. I was I couldn't move my

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<v Speaker 2>and I know I was awake. I could feel things,

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<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't move my body, and I would see

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<v Speaker 2>shadows walking around. I'd look over and there was it

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<v Speaker 2>looked like there was someone walking down the hallway, but

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<v Speaker 2>just look like a shadow, but eventually it would turn

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<v Speaker 2>into two or three people walking past, and the last

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<v Speaker 2>few times it was like a shadow people party in

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<v Speaker 2>my kitchen. I just there was like a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>shadows just walking around in my kitchen. Very strange, not

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<v Speaker 2>there was nobody in my house. And then the very

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<v Speaker 2>last time the shadow, one of the shadow people actually

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<v Speaker 2>walked into my room and was kind of circling the bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard this extremely loud banging noise coming from

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<v Speaker 2>I thought my ceiling was gonna explode on me. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like boo, it was vibrating my whole room and

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<v Speaker 2>me and I thought I didn't know what the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna happen. I got terrified, and eventually I would

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<v Speaker 2>be able to just pull myself out of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea what that was. We could talk about

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<v Speaker 2>some of the theories that were presented, but after I

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<v Speaker 2>of mind, that shit just stopped and I haven't experienced

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<v Speaker 2>any of it since. So again we can go back

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<v Speaker 2>to that perception thing. I'm in a shitty state of

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<v Speaker 2>mind having these sleep paralysis experiences. As soon as I

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<v Speaker 2>get things better in my life, they go away. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there a link. I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>To anyone that's ever experienced sleep paralysis, I've experienced it twice,

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<v Speaker 1>just like you. It's a very scary thing and it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most terrifying things I think that has

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<v Speaker 1>ever happened, and it feels very real. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>mine was the first one, I didn't see anything. The

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<v Speaker 1>second one I did see something, and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>this shadow that was in like a had like a

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<v Speaker 1>top hat on. I haven't really talked about it a

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<v Speaker 1>lot because there's so much, you know, nonsense about the

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<v Speaker 1>hat Man and it's kind of become like.

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<v Speaker 2>A very interesting that there's a hat archetype. But yeah, going.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second time is when I seen the hat

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<v Speaker 1>Man's shadow. It was in my room and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was like hanging from the ceiling. So it

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<v Speaker 1>had like a noose around its neck and the shadow

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<v Speaker 1>was like hanging from the ceiling and I had a

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<v Speaker 1>top hat on, and it was like shaking its head

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<v Speaker 1>like really fast, huh. And I was like laying flat

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<v Speaker 1>on my back. The first time that I ever experienced it,

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<v Speaker 1>I was laying on my right side and there was

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<v Speaker 1>two what felt like two hands that was placed on

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<v Speaker 1>my back. One on the center on my back and

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<v Speaker 1>the other one on the left side of my back,

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't move at all. I could just look

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<v Speaker 1>at my at the dresser, like the not the dresser,

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<v Speaker 1>but the closet, because I was right what was right

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<v Speaker 1>in front of my vision. And the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>snapped me out of that was that my roommate came

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<v Speaker 1>like opened the door, and I just jumped out of

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<v Speaker 1>the bed and I was like a giant breath because

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<v Speaker 1>I was almost hyperventilating because I couldn't breathe. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it was like almost like it was sucking the breath

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<v Speaker 1>out of me. Wow. And uh yeah, Luckily he came

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<v Speaker 1>into the room and knocked it off or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>very very strange experiences there. And I don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>what to think of it because a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are like, it's demons, and then some people have that

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually a show. I can't remember the name of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, but I watched the first couple of episodes

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<v Speaker 1>and it was basically about sleep paralysis.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh a nightmare or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like a newer show. It might have been

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<v Speaker 1>on Netflix or something. But yeah, this lady that puts

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<v Speaker 1>something on her ceiling. You know what I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>to let her know that the dream isn't real or

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<v Speaker 1>like the scenario or those sleep paralysis.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, Yeah, that was a

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<v Speaker 2>good show. I don't remember too much about it. But

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<v Speaker 2>the theories that were presented in the film are paranormal

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<v Speaker 2>in nature. Mostly, I don't claim to have any idea

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening. The presenter that we had, Vicki Joy Anderson,

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<v Speaker 2>she's had sleep paralysis experiences her whole life. She still does,

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<v Speaker 2>but she also interviews dozens hundreds of people who have

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<v Speaker 2>the experiences. She writes about it. She does look at

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<v Speaker 2>it through a Christian lens. She does believe that these

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<v Speaker 2>are nefarious entities. She believes that our state of mind

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<v Speaker 2>is attracting these negative, what you would call non human

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<v Speaker 2>intelligences during that hypnagogic state because we are consciousness, we

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<v Speaker 2>are open to it, we're a step outside our normal

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<v Speaker 2>perception what someone would call the astral realms. Then that

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<v Speaker 2>these intelligences reside there, that there's actually an ecosystem of

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<v Speaker 2>life forms just beyond our perception that you would consider

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<v Speaker 2>negative and positive that can present themselves, interact with us,

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<v Speaker 2>affect us in different ways when we're in these not

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<v Speaker 2>only sleep paralysis, dreams, altered states, meditative states, even day dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>There's certain drugs that can do it. There's certain places

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<v Speaker 2>that can put people into different states of mind and

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<v Speaker 2>of awareness that within those states, there's some strange shit

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<v Speaker 2>that can happen. And it's theorized by for sleep paralysis

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<v Speaker 2>by Vicky Joy, that these entities are basically performing some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of astral or out of body abduction where they

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<v Speaker 2>are attempting to affect your way of thinking, keep you

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<v Speaker 2>in a negative state of mind. There could be a

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<v Speaker 2>variety of quote unquote agendas that these beings have for

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<v Speaker 2>the people that they affect during sleep paralysis. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>explored and her story is explored, but she says what's

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<v Speaker 2>most interesting about all of it. She started documenting people's

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<v Speaker 2>sleep paralysis experiences over a decade ago, probably yeah, almost

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen something years ago, and she said that the experiences

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<v Speaker 2>are collectively changing in a somewhat similar direction. She said,

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<v Speaker 2>it used to be the shadow people and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're more classic entities, the hat man that would appear,

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, but she said now they are like

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<v Speaker 2>technological beings. They're appearing more as people are seeing cyborgs

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<v Speaker 2>and robots and machine elves and all these more like

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<v Speaker 2>technologically based entities that are presenting themselves oddly enough, during

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<v Speaker 2>sleep paralysis experiences. She's currently writing her third book about this.

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<v Speaker 2>They only come out at night three, but in part

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<v Speaker 2>two she does touch on that a good bit. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very fascinating to hear the similarities in people's experience as

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<v Speaker 2>relates to that, But I couldn't tell you man, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's interesting though.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when you look at the state of consciousness and

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<v Speaker 1>the way that people fear certain things, in the way

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<v Speaker 1>that these types of experience this is evolve over time,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see that track with the UFO phenomenon as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What people fear, they normally then relate to something otherworldly.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when people are fearing nuclear devastation, the aliens that

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<v Speaker 1>are contacting them are telling them that that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to lay down our nuclear arms, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that same type of when we're in fear of

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<v Speaker 1>the environment, the aliens are all of a sudden, like

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<v Speaker 1>you need to clean up your environment. When we're in

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<v Speaker 1>fear of you know, world War three, they'll be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys need peace, right. It's like this, it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a reflection in something that we want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to us because we're not hearing it from

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the people that are in quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>in charge, you know, so we get it from this

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<v Speaker 1>other worldly type source. And that's kind of like what

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<v Speaker 1>you're explaining now is that it's changed from the supposed

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<v Speaker 1>organic type of entity and now it's getting more into

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<v Speaker 1>a technological type of entity, which is exactly where our

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<v Speaker 1>society is moving toward with AI robotics. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>Man, you're getting to the heart of the movie right here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it. Yeah, this is basically what we explore

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<v Speaker 2>the collective, not only the collective, but the where the

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<v Speaker 2>individual is at. We have the collective experience, which moves

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<v Speaker 2>with the collective mind where we're at technologically, our understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of UFOs and whatever these non human intelligences may be.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we move into the technological age, the phenomenon

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<v Speaker 2>becomes more technological, more sci fi and this it's across

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<v Speaker 2>the board. But the individual experience, it really passes through

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<v Speaker 2>that person's individual perceptual lens, so they're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>that layer on top of it. So say that two

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<v Speaker 2>people are essentially, if you could call it, having the

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<v Speaker 2>same experience, but one person is being attacked by a

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<v Speaker 2>demon with harry dildo and then the other one is

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<v Speaker 2>being massaged by a beautiful angel. But essentially it's supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be the same experience, but the person being attacked

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<v Speaker 2>with the demon dildo has been traumatized recently, are there

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<v Speaker 2>in a bad relationship, or there's drugs involved, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the person who's being massaged by an angel is love

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<v Speaker 2>and light and having beautiful times in their life. And

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<v Speaker 2>this seems to be across the board with people's state

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<v Speaker 2>of mind versus the experiences that they're having. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't really get down to the fine details of

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<v Speaker 2>each person's life and experience and tell you one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent if they were in a bad state of mind

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<v Speaker 2>when they had this experience. But if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the overall phenomena and the hundreds and hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 2>that we've both talked to, I mean we're coming to

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<v Speaker 2>almost the same conclusion here that whatever is happening is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be based on our collective and into individual perception.

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<v Speaker 2>What that trigger is is the fascinating question what what

420
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<v Speaker 2>the intelligence behind it is, if it's just us, if

421
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>we are producing it, or if there is external factors

422
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:53.279
<v Speaker 2>or external origination. That is some of the bigger questions

423
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>that we get into as well. But that's really the

424
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the the meat and potatoes of the film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think what you're explaining there is this

426
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>biifurcation you remember back like I don't know, started in

427
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the late two thousands where the spiritualist and the gurus

428
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and everybody was like, there's going to be this split

429
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.599
<v Speaker 1>from Old Earth into New Earth, and but there's going

430
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>to be like these people over here are going to

431
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<v Speaker 1>be living in like a golden age of humanity and

432
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>everything's going to be great and awesome, and then these

433
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<v Speaker 1>people over here are going to be like living in

434
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<v Speaker 1>the dark ages. You know, they were half right, but

435
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 1>the way that they explained it is completely wrong. But

436
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 1>we're like essentially living during that period right now, Like

437
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 1>we have that right now, Like there's a section of

438
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the population that is like, this is the best time

439
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>ever to be alive, and then another section of the

440
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>population is like, this is the worst time to be alive.

441
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<v Speaker 1>This is going to be tyranny, This is going to

442
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 1>be a dictatorship, right. Yeah, it's like what exactly what

443
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 1>they were explaining before, But they just had the concept

444
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<v Speaker 1>and like the idea completely wrong. They were looking at

445
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<v Speaker 1>it as like an actual like five D like ascension.

446
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, they spiffed it up and made it seem

447
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<v Speaker 1>all magical on everything.

448
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Now you're getting into the synchronistic aspects and the incredible

449
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>amazing event that can happen based off of self fulfilling

450
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 2>prophecies and collective self fulfilling prophecies based on our fears,

451
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>based on what we understand about any given event or

452
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:54.119
<v Speaker 2>possible future event, or possible state of mind of humanity.

453
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<v Speaker 2>Like you were just discussing, the seeds are planted, and

454
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<v Speaker 2>we first started hearing about this a long time ago,

455
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>and it seems like these seeds they tend to be

456
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>able to self replicate, and in a sense, it's like

457
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 2>a parasite. It takes over the minds of the collective

458
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and it begins to in a sense, cause these events

459
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>to manifest and come to fruition because it's like a

460
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 2>constant reminder, it's constant information in the very back of

461
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>your mind. These possibilities that keep popping up based on

462
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>our perception of events that unfold like it, for example,

463
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Trump and the Apocalypse, Trump and the Antichrist. You don't

464
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.799
<v Speaker 2>know how many times I've had guests that recently that

465
00:31:54.960 --> 00:32:01.519
<v Speaker 2>believe that this administration represents the the mark of the Beast,

466
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>the return of the Antichrist based on Biblical fulfillment, and

467
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:11.160
<v Speaker 2>they can name you these incredible prophecies that have correlations

468
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>that if you look at it the right way, it'd

469
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>be like, damn, that's spot on, We're in the apocalypse,

470
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 2>He's the Antichrist. But if you have a different perspective.

471
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:24.839
<v Speaker 1>To squint your eyes, you have to squint your eyes

472
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 1>really hard and then till your head sideways.

473
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the thing. It depends on your perspective

474
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>at the time. You do have the opposite that I've noticed,

475
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>where people have Trump hypnosis, where this man can do

476
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong and they see nothing bad that the administration

477
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.440
<v Speaker 2>is doing. And then you have the extreme opposite, which

478
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>was what I was just saying. But again, individual perceptive perception.

479
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>But we have these collective strange events that occur based

480
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.359
<v Speaker 2>on where the collective is at and what you're saying,

481
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>could be very true just because of the split that

482
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 2>we're seeing and the representation I was just saying, in

483
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the example of Trump, we have very different mindsets that

484
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 2>are split right down the middle right now, and it's

485
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>pretty incredible. It's more divided that I think I've ever

486
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:13.079
<v Speaker 2>seen it.

487
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.599
<v Speaker 1>But that's the way that it's always been. People are

488
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 1>never everyone is not going to be happy with anybody.

489
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter who it is up there. There's going

490
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>to be a section of the population that is not

491
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>happy and is going to try and correlate all these

492
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 1>things to the most negative side, and then there's gonna

493
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>be the people that's going to try and correlate it

494
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>to the most positive side. Right if it was the

495
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>opposite way around, and Kamala Harris became president, there would

496
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>be the exact set of people that are saying that

497
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Trump is the worst is going to be saying the

498
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Kamala is the best, and the people there saying that

499
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Kamala is the best is gonna it's gonna be it's

500
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 1>gonna flip flop. That's the That's the way that it's

501
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>always been, and that's the way that it is always

502
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 1>going to continue to be unless something radically changes. And

503
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 1>I think that the only way that we get out

504
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 1>of that system is with a one world order. That's

505
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the only way that you get out of this. Uh,

506
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 1>this is this rock that we've you know, this corner

507
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 1>that we've backed ourselves into.

508
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 2>How many emails have you gotten that's say that you're

509
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 2>c I A you're a deep steak? Is that that

510
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 2>statement that you just made.

511
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>The people in the comments section of this But that's

512
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:47.280
<v Speaker 1>the only way, logically and critically to get us out

513
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>of this situation. And I'm not saying that that is

514
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the best option, but it's the only option. So the

515
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 1>only thing that you can do to to and that's

516
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.519
<v Speaker 1>the way. That's the way that they've created it. They've

517
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>created it that way on purpose. They've created that division.

518
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>So ultimately, in the end it will have to be

519
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>this one world system, you know.

520
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 3>Because peoples, Well that's what that's what that's the whole

521
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 3>trick of the game is that you make the people

522
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:23.480
<v Speaker 3>that don't want something eventually want it by essentially begging

523
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:23.880
<v Speaker 3>for it.

524
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, nobody wants to see it, but what you said

525
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>there is going to be inevitable. Whether you think it's

526
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>right or wrong, it's happening like there's it's unavoidable. We're

527
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 2>already headed in that direction. The question for me is

528
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>how dystopian do you want it to be. I'd rather

529
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>not have drones policing this guy with pre crime programming

530
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>that if they believe you could commit a crime, they're

531
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 2>gonna zap you dead. I'd rather not have that. But

532
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:56.239
<v Speaker 2>if we can have some kind of balance where there's

533
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>this harmonious system and we don't have to worry about

534
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>killer dogs, robot dogs and police drones, I'm cool with that.

535
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I think there has to be a balance,

536
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's where a lot of people are

537
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:16.280
<v Speaker 2>concerned about, including myself. But again I put myself outside

538
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>of all of that and observe I take the good

539
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and I don't take the bed. You know, it's really

540
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>all about a balancing act right now, and people seem

541
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.880
<v Speaker 2>to be unaware of that aspect of it.

542
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, when you listen to people in their contact experiences,

543
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:39.119
<v Speaker 1>and this is me just you know, taking them out

544
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 1>their word, I don't necessarily believe it, but based off

545
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 1>of what they say, they essentially say that the entities

546
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that they contact and the entities that they talk to

547
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.199
<v Speaker 1>and the entities that they've talked to them when they're

548
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>asked about like how they operate there. It's essentially a

549
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:07.239
<v Speaker 1>hive mind. This essentially a one world order, is what

550
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:10.760
<v Speaker 1>it is. And if they are super highly advanced and

551
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>we look at them as like gods, if they exist, right,

552
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that they do, because I really have

553
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:18.719
<v Speaker 1>no idea, but if they do and we look at

554
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>them like that they're gods and that there's so much

555
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.559
<v Speaker 1>more highly technologically advanced, would that not be the ultimate

556
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>conclusion for us as well?

557
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't have the answer to that or

558
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.119
<v Speaker 2>any of these things, but I love gathering the information.

559
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 2>When it comes to the whole extraterrestrial thing, it's very disappointing,

560
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll say, just to just to throw that at there.

561
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Because I started out this was one of my favorite things,

562
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.360
<v Speaker 2>UFOs aliens. I believed that there were in fact little

563
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 2>green men coming from different planets and they were pro

564
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 2>ready and all the narratives, you know, the traditional narratives.

565
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I was there when I first started this, and it

566
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:10.360
<v Speaker 2>began to change and shift and now it's it could

567
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>be many things, and I have many considerations and possibilities

568
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.760
<v Speaker 2>of what people are experiencing with extraterrestrial contact. Now, for me,

569
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:25.119
<v Speaker 2>I've never experienced anything really paranormal besides that sleep paralysis,

570
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.239
<v Speaker 2>which you know it's subjective, could be paranormal, could be

571
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 2>a psychosomatic whatever again, perception thing, But I never had

572
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 2>any paranormal experiences. And before I did this film, I

573
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 2>had started using psychedelics magic mushrooms, mostly for therapeutic purposes,

574
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and I did get information from the experiences, and that

575
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:55.880
<v Speaker 2>led me to explore it in a different way, as

576
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:02.559
<v Speaker 2>in initiating contact experiences with whatever can be communicated without

577
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.440
<v Speaker 2>there Again, I don't have an answer to what I

578
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 2>was communicating with. I just for now call it the

579
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 2>higher self. It could be many different things. It could

580
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 2>be some sort of collective intelligence. It could be the

581
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 2>secret societies beaming mk ultra voices into my head. It

582
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:27.719
<v Speaker 2>could it could be many things. But I want to

583
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 2>put myself through those experiences because to me, that's probably

584
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 2>the closest I get to really having any type of

585
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 2>extraterressural contact experience. So I really immersed myself into very

586
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:47.000
<v Speaker 2>powerful psychedelic experiences in with the intent of initiating those

587
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 2>that contact, and it did happen, and there were some

588
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>very insane experiences and lots of I believe valuable information

589
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that I've gained. I could not tell tell you how

590
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>it was that was providing the information, only that it

591
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 2>was information that I wasn't aware of before the experience,

592
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and if it was locked up deep in my subconscious

593
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and that's the way I got it, that's great, but

594
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I have I couldn't tell you where that trigger came from.

595
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 2>And the experiences became very synchronistic in nature, as in

596
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 2>the what I would experience during those events would connect

597
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.559
<v Speaker 2>things and kind of lead me in certain directions in

598
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:43.880
<v Speaker 2>my waking life. And that was to me my only

599
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:49.280
<v Speaker 2>confirmation that there was there's something else. And I don't

600
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 2>know what it is, and I don't know if it's aliens, angels, demons, ourselves, archetypes, eggrigres,

601
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 2>all options, all possibilities, but there is something that can communicate,

602
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 2>provide information, guide us in certain directions. And I'm sure

603
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>it can be weaponized and has been already. And that's

604
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>where the danger comes in with any of this stuff

605
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>is there's been the technology. There's technology out there that

606
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>can mimic to a t paranormal activity and experiences and

607
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 2>voices in your head whatever. So that's going to be

608
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 2>explored more in part two of the film. Uh, but yeah,

609
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:35.679
<v Speaker 2>that's where I'm kind of out with that.

610
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's also this remote viewing technique called perfect site

611
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 1>integration that allows a remove viewer to remove you a

612
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 1>certain area or a location and essentially by locate there

613
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and be able to move around objects and interact with

614
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the environment. So that is a really good explanation for

615
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:02.199
<v Speaker 1>what some might experience as poltergeist like activity. Right Yeah,

616
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 1>might not even be a dead dead person or some

617
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of spirit or a ghost or a demon or whatever.

618
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 1>It can literally be another human being that's alive right

619
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:20.119
<v Speaker 1>now in our reality. I mean, I think that that makes.

620
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Like, what if say a person is meditating and they

621
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 2>want to connect to the Ashtar Command and that's their

622
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>intention and they put that intention out there. Well, if

623
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.599
<v Speaker 2>we're at the level where any of our thoughts could

624
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>be read, maybe and there's some sort of secret military

625
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:43.159
<v Speaker 2>base down yonder that wants to perpetuate a little narrative

626
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.280
<v Speaker 2>you put out that you want to speak to the

627
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Ashtar Command, that stations be like Jody's trying to contact

628
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Speaker 2>the Ashtar command again, put in the program, and then boom,

629
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Nickyard from the Blackdocs fleet of Ashtar commands starts talking

630
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 2>to you and giving you the best damn information you

631
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.519
<v Speaker 2>ever heard that's gonna save the planet. Next thing you know,

632
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 2>you're on the conference tour, You're on Rogan and things

633
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:13.599
<v Speaker 2>are blowing up for you. It's crazy.

634
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's one of the things that Rogan has said

635
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>before is that the things that he's experienced under psychedelic influence,

636
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 1>like mushrooms and stuff, I'll pace and overblow any alien

637
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>that would land in his backyard. He's like, I've seen

638
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 1>way wilder things than a UFO landing in my backyard

639
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 1>or a UFO landing on the White House line would

640
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 1>not be shocking to me, because I've seen way crazier

641
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 1>things on these on these types of psychedelics.

642
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.320
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, man, I mean the last. I don't

643
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.840
<v Speaker 2>use magic mushrooms anymore. I quit after the last sex

644
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.440
<v Speaker 2>experience I had last year, which actually was yeah, last year,

645
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:07.239
<v Speaker 2>it was May the fourth, May the fourth be with

646
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 2>you all. That was the last time I did. But

647
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 2>that experience was so intense and terrifying, but really It

648
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.079
<v Speaker 2>was like a culmination of everything. It was like, this

649
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 2>is what you've been looking for. Do not come back here,

650
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Do not come back here. Like the message was very strong,

651
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 2>but it just led me to a new level of

652
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 2>spiritual understanding in a very physical way. Actually led me

653
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 2>down the street to someone's house that was very profound.

654
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't have time to tell that whole story. I

655
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 2>did it in a podcast. If you go to it

656
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.639
<v Speaker 2>happened made the fourth That's an episode I did about

657
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>about that final mushroom experience, which it skipped. Oh gosh,

658
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 2>it was terrifying, but it really changed my life in

659
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 2>many ways and kind of set me on a new

660
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:04.280
<v Speaker 2>trajetory and understanding of things. But uh yeah, I no longer.

661
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I no longer do magic mushrooms because, as mister mckinna said,

662
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 2>when you get the message, you hang up the phone.

663
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I got that message.

664
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Message coming through lonclar All right, let's check out your

665
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 1>trailer for you. I'll have some more questions for you after.

666
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it. The nature of this experience seems to

667
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Speaker 2>always be just beyond the reach of our science, technology,

668
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:33.400
<v Speaker 2>and consciousness collective.

669
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 4>There's layers upon layers upon layers.

670
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Does have such an element of mystery to this place.

671
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Why are we here? We're getting closer to the truth now.

672
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Too many people experiencing profound interactions with conscious entities.

673
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm focused on the non human intelligence contact phenomenon in dreams.

674
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Dreams involve interactions with real entities. People are waking up,

675
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>paralyzed their sensing or seeing something very evil in the room.

676
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 2>I have experienced sleep paralysis, shadow people start to appear.

677
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:14.519
<v Speaker 5>I was taken from my earliest memories by non human

678
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.840
<v Speaker 5>alien entities. More and more people are wanting to talk

679
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 5>about these things.

680
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:27.159
<v Speaker 2>A upologist would say, well, that's obviously an extraterrestrial in

681
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:28.599
<v Speaker 2>our paranormal research, would.

682
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>They will have the ghost? Well what if it's all

683
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>of those things?

684
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 2>In none of those things, the entities, the intelligence that

685
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 2>were just beyond our understanding.

686
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:40.159
<v Speaker 1>There seems to be something a little extra that can

687
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>take forms of anything.

688
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe what I've seen, but it continues on.

689
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:46.679
<v Speaker 5>A daily basis.

690
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>We're definitely not alone. UFOs UAPs portals opening up.

691
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 4>I really thought this supernatural stuff you kind of grow

692
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 4>up with that. Around here, you see a lot of

693
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:03.159
<v Speaker 4>strange things. I don't like to talk about skinwalkers too much.

694
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I had an experience with a skinwalker entity.

695
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:12.679
<v Speaker 4>People they would say they would transform into bears, into wolves.

696
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 4>There's these bad things that occur, goals, rfos and all

697
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:20.559
<v Speaker 4>types of things coming from somewhere.

698
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Our beliefs, our emotions, and our fears all seem to

699
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.039
<v Speaker 2>heavily influence the nature of these experiences.

700
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 3>There is so much more that we just don't have

701
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.440
<v Speaker 3>time for in this busy, loud, noisy.

702
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Life that we lead.

703
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 4>All of this is planned, everything is synchronicity.

704
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:41.119
<v Speaker 2>There's so much more out there.

705
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 1>We really are picking up such a small small percentage

706
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 1>of the electrobagnetic spectrum. The world is an amazing place.

707
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>It feels like we're God's in training.

708
00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Sick sick. Yeah, that's tree tray in there. I've copied

709
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:04.360
<v Speaker 1>what he said because he said that on my show

710
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 1>before too, and I've repeated that. But I added on

711
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.639
<v Speaker 1>that if you take a cryptid researcher to a place,

712
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 1>they're going to say that it's a crypti too. So

713
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 1>he went into if you take a ufologist to a place,

714
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>they're going to come back and say that's UFOs and aliens.

715
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 1>If you take a paranormal investigator to a place, they're

716
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 1>going to come back and say that it is paranormal.

717
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 1>If you take a bigfoot researcher to a place, they're

718
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>going to come back and say that it's.

719
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot right right. And that's really where the title came from.

720
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 2>There's doors of perception. There's multiple options that we can

721
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:41.679
<v Speaker 2>choose based on where we're at, based on our beliefs,

722
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>based on our fears. And the craziest part is if

723
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.199
<v Speaker 2>we have a shift in that perception, we can open

724
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>a new door and just completely change the way we

725
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 2>view things and have a completely new experience.

726
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I saw Brian Burns in there. I've had Ryan on

727
00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the show. He's a good friend of both of ours.

728
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Did you go to his property?

729
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 2>I did. Yeah, we spent a couple of nights out there.

730
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh, tell us about that experience.

731
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>That was weird, man, it was very very weird. So UFOs, Yeah,

732
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>we saw the whatever, the orbs or the light shooting

733
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>across the sky all night. Also, he said that we

734
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 2>saw these purple lasers through the night vision and he

735
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 2>said that was Black Ops teams that surrounded the area

736
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 2>that were watching us. You could see them shining lasers

737
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:36.320
<v Speaker 2>and moving around like shadows like moving around. It's like, yeah,

738
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 2>those are the black Ops guys. And there were only

739
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.760
<v Speaker 2>a few hundred feet away from us in the distance,

740
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 2>just like watching us watch UFOs bro It was crazy.

741
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:47.760
<v Speaker 2>So we got that going on. We got the UFOs

742
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 2>shooting around and right when we got like to Utah too,

743
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that within about forty miles of his ranch. I just

744
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:02.760
<v Speaker 2>we felt just nasty, a weird just feeling. It was icky.

745
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>It was like we did. I didn't want to be there,

746
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.000
<v Speaker 2>like the whole time. I was so uncomfortable. I didn't

747
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>sleep for two nights. Jim didn't sleep for two nights.

748
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 2>It was just such a weird feeling. Ryan took us

749
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.239
<v Speaker 2>on a ride to the Petro Glyphs out there. We

750
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:23.199
<v Speaker 2>saw some incredible rock carvings and Petrock glypts and I

751
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 2>got you know, included some of the footage of that

752
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.639
<v Speaker 2>in the film. And he also took us two walks

753
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:33.440
<v Speaker 2>all around the property during the day. We hit the

754
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.559
<v Speaker 2>bright Well. Actually put my foot on the property of

755
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Skinwalker Ranch, which I wasn't supposed to, but that's okay,

756
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.800
<v Speaker 2>but uh yeah, his property butts up to Skinwalker Ranch.

757
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 2>So we got as close as we could. We were

758
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 2>able to see some very interesting images from some of

759
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.199
<v Speaker 2>the cameras that Ryan has that manages to overlook a

760
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit of the ranch. And Okay, since this isn't

761
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Ryan saying this is me saying this. Ryan has nothing

762
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 2>to do with this. But there were these weird cages

763
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 2>in the skin marking ranch and they say that they

764
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 2>put the livestock in there to attract the UFOs, right right,

765
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 2>So I heard from someone that they actually have put

766
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.760
<v Speaker 2>people in there, and it may they may not have

767
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:35.760
<v Speaker 2>been completely willing at times because of the maybe screams

768
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.800
<v Speaker 2>that he's heard before. But again, this is me. You know,

769
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I heard this around about you know, no confirmation on

770
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>any of that, so who knows on that one. But dude,

771
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:49.679
<v Speaker 2>the stories he told me were crazy. I'll tell you

772
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 2>one of the craziest things he told me that his

773
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 2>security guy calls him one night and he's like, you

774
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:59.400
<v Speaker 2>got I think three guys rummaging around your trailer out here,

775
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 2>which you want me to do? He's like, get the gun

776
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.639
<v Speaker 2>and take care of it. So his security guy grabs

777
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.400
<v Speaker 2>whatever firearm he has, I think it was a rifle,

778
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 2>and he goes out there and he approaches and there's

779
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 2>three guys rummaging through. I'm like right outside the trailer,

780
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the trailers on Ryan's property, and he yells

781
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.960
<v Speaker 2>at him to freeze, and when he does, this is

782
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.960
<v Speaker 2>what he said, man, They all sat down like canines

783
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 2>at the same time and looked up at him with

784
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:35.920
<v Speaker 2>eyeshine and then he said like he's like you freezer

785
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.920
<v Speaker 2>with the yelled something else at him, and then they

786
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:45.480
<v Speaker 2>started lunging at him like dogs. He starts picking him off,

787
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:48.000
<v Speaker 2>he said. He hits each one of them a couple

788
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:51.519
<v Speaker 2>of times, and eventually they turn around and start running

789
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the other way. But he said they didn't even look

790
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:58.199
<v Speaker 2>phased by the shots. They started running and they leaped

791
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 2>over a fence like a dog jumping over a fence,

792
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and we're gone. The craziest part is the next day

793
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>there was reports of these three members of the Ute

794
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.280
<v Speaker 2>tribe that were died of gunshot wounds, all found in

795
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:21.280
<v Speaker 2>three separate locations, all found for some reason, behind locked doors.

796
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:26.639
<v Speaker 2>So that is most likely the dudes that got capped

797
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 2>by Ryan's security guy. And that is absolutely nuts, man.

798
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 2>What Yeah, yes, it was pretty crazy, and I don't.

799
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:40.320
<v Speaker 1>They looked like human beings, but they acted.

800
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Like and they had eyeshine that humans don't normally have that,

801
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:52.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, canine eyeshine. Yeah, dude, he had. They had

802
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>a few of those stories with these, you know, people

803
00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 2>that act like dogs or dogs that don't exactly fit

804
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:05.639
<v Speaker 2>the description of dogs, like some zombie dogs, dogs that

805
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:10.639
<v Speaker 2>shape shift into like different things, their limbs change lengths

806
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:16.239
<v Speaker 2>and things like that. Also humanoids that seem to appear

807
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 2>differently and shape shift into animals. So he's seen some

808
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 2>of the most wild ship out there.

809
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Zombie dogs, dogs do well, what would be the explanation

810
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of them being behind locked doors?

811
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Did?

812
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that would be more of like a projection,

813
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 1>because that's what I was mentioning with the perfect side

814
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 1>integration thing. It may be so deep into a meditative

815
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:47.559
<v Speaker 1>state that you're.

816
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Able to that's projected to.

817
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Locate yourself and turn into essentially an animal. That's what

818
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:54.119
<v Speaker 1>I think.

819
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 2>That's the whole theory. That's the whole theory that also

820
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 2>was presented in the movie. Had a member of the

821
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:08.800
<v Speaker 2>ute tribe. He was talking about the process of supposedly

822
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:12.079
<v Speaker 2>how to become a skim marker. You commit some sort

823
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:16.239
<v Speaker 2>of horrible atroctrocity, kill a family member or something like that.

824
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.039
<v Speaker 2>And then you have these ritual where you wear the

825
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.320
<v Speaker 2>animal of the pelt, the pelt of the animal you

826
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 2>want to become, and you go, like you said, into

827
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>a meditative state in a room and you project and

828
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:32.039
<v Speaker 2>that's what people see is you projecting yourself as whatever

829
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:37.800
<v Speaker 2>that animal is. Now, as far as these guys died

830
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.679
<v Speaker 2>of gunshot wounds, that's crazy. If if it can somehow

831
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 2>affect your physical form what happens out there, I don't know,

832
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:47.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's pretty wild.

833
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

834
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be one hundred percent sure on exactly how

835
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 1>it works, but I mean that would make That makes

836
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<v Speaker 1>more sense than like, you know, physically shifting or physically

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<v Speaker 1>turning into something. It would be more along the lines

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<v Speaker 1>of like a projection and you're taking on the version

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<v Speaker 1>that you have in your mind as to what animal.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude. To me, that's scarier than if it was like

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<v Speaker 2>just a paranormal manifestation, Like that's somebody with intention of

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<v Speaker 2>doing some messed up stuff that has some major control

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<v Speaker 2>over that shit. That to me is more terrifying than

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<v Speaker 2>just like a ghost or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is, and it's really scary and I that's

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<v Speaker 1>been my contention for a while while looking into the

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<v Speaker 1>Skinwalker and like this paranormal stuff and Polterguy's like activity.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it makes more sense, the most sense that

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<v Speaker 1>it's that it's like a bylocation projection of somebody that's

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<v Speaker 1>in a really deep meditative state. I mean, we know

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<v Speaker 1>how remov youing like worked in the evolving nature of

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<v Speaker 1>like remote viewing, and I think that that's like the ultimate,

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<v Speaker 1>like the end goal of remote viewing is essentially by location,

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<v Speaker 1>by locating your physical body, and now that can be

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<v Speaker 1>your own physical body, or you can take the shape

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<v Speaker 1>or the form of anything you want. Essentially, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that would be the master form of that type

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<v Speaker 1>of technology. Can't prove it, obviously, it can't prove it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it makes sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure the level of knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>that we have integrated with forms of technology, we can

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<v Speaker 2>probably achieve some massively spooky things, because if any of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that they were doing in the sixties and

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<v Speaker 2>seventies has been expanded upon, the possibilities are pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that, you know, the levels of technology

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<v Speaker 2>that is not available to the public is much more

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<v Speaker 2>sophisticated than anything that we've ever could understand really, and

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<v Speaker 2>when integrated with things like psychic remote viewing, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows what's possible with that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's another thing that is becoming really popular now

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<v Speaker 1>is the phrase and what you have in your movie

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<v Speaker 1>is NHI, right, non human intelligence. But it's another thing

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<v Speaker 1>that literally coincides at this very moment with our technology

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<v Speaker 1>and with AI, because AI is a non human intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to me, I have to go back to ancient accounts.

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00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:54.280
<v Speaker 2>I have to go back to the paranormal and experiences

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00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 2>that have been documented before. Although we can't talk to

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00:58:57.159 --> 00:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>those people, we can't find out if it's you know,

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00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:03.119
<v Speaker 2>real or any thing like that. That to me says

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00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:06.480
<v Speaker 2>that before we had access to these level of technology,

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00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:10.000
<v Speaker 2>this was capable. Now, whether it's still like you said,

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00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:13.559
<v Speaker 2>a person doing this and projecting himself to cause these

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00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.760
<v Speaker 2>events to happen or something else, to me, I still

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't you know, I have no idea, but the exploration continues.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just like it's word games, it's word magic.

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<v Speaker 1>And they use a really common phrase that can mean

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00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:35.159
<v Speaker 1>several different things, and that's a really popular one that's

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00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:40.320
<v Speaker 1>popped up recently. I think there was a two gentlemen

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<v Speaker 1>from that that movie with the Fox guy James Fox.

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<v Speaker 1>I think is Jos Phenomena the Phenomena. Yeah, yeah, you're

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00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:53.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna have two guys on there for that was a

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00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.599
<v Speaker 1>part of that documentary and they were talking about non

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00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:58.320
<v Speaker 1>human intelligence and like all that. I'm like, well, this

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00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:01.840
<v Speaker 1>is just so interesting because right now we're seeing this

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01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:08.079
<v Speaker 1>gigantic boom and AI, which is non human intelligence. It's

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01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 1>not a human it's an artificial non human intelligence. So

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01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:17.079
<v Speaker 1>whenever someone says, oh well, because the one guy was

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01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.239
<v Speaker 1>essentially saying, what wasn't one of the more you know,

899
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:26.159
<v Speaker 1>frightening things that you heard or whatever, and he was like, oh, well,

900
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the NHI, the non human intelligence. And I'm like, well,

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01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:33.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, like, who's to say that there's

902
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.840
<v Speaker 1>even anybody in any of the craft, right, it could

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01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.280
<v Speaker 1>be operated by non human intelligence. It could be a drone.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what drones are. Drones are non human intelligence.

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01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean they have AI drones. That's pretty much what

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01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 1>all of the drones were over New Jersey. They were

907
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:54.159
<v Speaker 1>all AI drones. Yeah, unfortunately operated by non human intelligence,

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01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:55.400
<v Speaker 1>operated by AI.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the whole UFO thing's been just turned on its

910
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.599
<v Speaker 2>that and against us and weaponized. And these people, whether

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01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.960
<v Speaker 2>they are aware that they're being used to prop up

912
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:11.719
<v Speaker 2>these narratives n hi UAP, these new terms and the

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01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:14.760
<v Speaker 2>theories that go along with it, whether they're aware that

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01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:18.679
<v Speaker 2>they're being used to push out these narratives or not,

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01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:25.360
<v Speaker 2>they are, and there's they present it as if this

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01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:27.320
<v Speaker 2>is the way you know that it is, and they

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01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:31.360
<v Speaker 2>have some sort of deep understanding that it's an extraterrestrial

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01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:35.159
<v Speaker 2>when in reality they you know, I don't think these

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01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:39.960
<v Speaker 2>people have any idea. Although they have, they may have

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01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:47.719
<v Speaker 2>an understanding enough to manipulate whatever is occurring during these experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>There's I think there's always some level of occurrence that

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01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:57.360
<v Speaker 2>is beyond human understanding or should be. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that some of these nerd dorks need to stop messing

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01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.119
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of that stuff. But that's just me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Chris, thanks so much for coming on, brother, really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Can you let people know one more time

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<v Speaker 1>where they can wash the pre release of your documentary

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<v Speaker 1>before it becomes available on streaming platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, thank you again for having me on. Sir,

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<v Speaker 2>Always enjoy the conversations. You guys can find it the

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<v Speaker 2>part two of Doors of Perceptions. So thank you all

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<v Speaker 2>for that. Thank you again, Brother always amaze Titties.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for coming on. Really appreciate it. And

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<v Speaker 1>the link to watch the pre release of his brand

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<v Speaker 1>new documentary, Doors of Perception is in the description of

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<v Speaker 1>Chris stay with me, Brother