WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:02.120 Baby, you're my game statue. 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:04.200 It takes a lot of tangle. 3 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:08.080 You don't mess with me. Mess with me, baby, you're 4 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:09.199 a gangstato. 5 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:25.239 Ohuch, baby, you're a game statoo. For good warning, this 6 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.719 podcast is designed to take you outside of your comfort 7 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:31.359 zone and make you question reality Listening discretion. 8 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:31.879 Is a vibe. 9 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:39.520 The fellas. 10 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.240 This ain't my first time. 11 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:44.079 At the rodeos. 12 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:53.840 M H. 13 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:18.640 Great, welcome to the occult rejects. This episode, I got 14 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.239 the occult reject mad scientist Lisa joining me. I got Mike, 15 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:27.719 and I got my boy Thrash. And tonight very special guests. Uh, 16 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.280 you know one hasn't been on in a while. We 17 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.239 got my man Colby back. It's been a hot minute. 18 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.400 I always love having them on. Always had good chats, 19 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:38.879 always had a lot of laughs. And back by popular demand, 20 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.519 we got Julia joining us again tonight cosmic peach and 21 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:45.439 tonight we will be talking about a topic that interests 22 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:50.120 all of us here very much, Laurel Canyon, Real quick, 23 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:52.400 I guess Mike and Thrash you don't even actually have 24 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.200 anything to plug my bed? All right, so Colby, we'll 25 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.799 go with you real quick. Kobey, you want to let 26 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:01.079 everybody know like what you do and everything, like where 27 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:02.200 they can find some of your stuff. 28 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:07.439 Sure, I do Conspiracy play Time, which is pretty sporadic 29 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.639 these days. That's anywhere You're lucky if you can find 30 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:15.159 it on YouTube sometimes. But Disinfobation is the weekly shit 31 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:17.680 talking show I'd do with my buddy Dusty, and that 32 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:21.560 one's bi weekly, and that one you can find everywhere 33 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:22.680 but Apple and YouTube. 34 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.400 Awesome. And I think I have your website and in 35 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:27.919 the description already. That's good enough. Oh I need to 36 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:30.680 update this, Okay, I'll let the other links in if 37 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:34.159 you want after the show. And Julia, just in case 38 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:36.280 people here joining us don't happen to know who you 39 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.400 are yet, can you please let everybody know what your 40 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:38.800 deal is? 41 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:39.759 Yeah? 42 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.919 I think I'm becoming better known on your show, just 43 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.520 for how many f bombs I drop every couple of words. 44 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:54.479 But I'm Julia fucking Cosmic Beach, and I'm everywhere besides 45 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:59.000 fucking YouTube. And I'm really happy to be here tonight 46 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.400 talking about the Laurel Canyon because, like you said, it's 47 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.960 one of my favorite topics by far, and Colby's as well, 48 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:08.840 and I can't wait to get into it. 49 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.159 Do you monetize on YouTube? Because she just really screwed 50 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:16.199 that up for you. Sorry, they have like a ten 51 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:20.479 minute rule or something. What everyntes no, like the first 52 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.680 ten minutes any profanity you get demounted. 53 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.599 Oh, I have no idea. I'm sure I've screwed that 54 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:26.599 up myself already. 55 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:27.719 My fucking bad. 56 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.120 Yeah. No, we're good, We're good. I'm not really worried 57 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.240 about YouTube anyway. So if it happens, it happens. Uh, 58 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:38.479 you know what, we'll go around the well, we'll go 59 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:40.159 with you. Colby, What was it that got you like 60 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:42.159 really into a Laurel Kenyon because I know you've been 61 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:43.639 into that for a long time as well. 62 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.360 Yeah, I mean it was kind of like the revitalization 63 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:50.960 of like psyop conspiracy theory for me. I was really 64 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.039 into that when I was younger, And I remember I 65 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:56.879 was picking up a friend in Portland and he had 66 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:00.080 just seen Dave Matthews live at the Gorge and he 67 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.199 was on acid, and he told me a story about 68 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:05.919 how bad his trip was because he just realized that 69 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:09.800 he was at like a cult ritual and Dave was 70 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:12.120 leading it and he wasn't even a Dave Matthews man, 71 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.800 but he said the whole time he just felt like 72 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:19.519 he's witnessing sacrifices and stuff. And then I heard Jaye 73 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:25.120 Dyer like that year talking about this book that McGowan wrote, 74 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:29.079 Weird Scenes, and I read that with that story in mind, 75 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.639 and just like how these performers were casting spells and 76 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:34.439 then he just lays it all out for you, like 77 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:38.279 the structure of the whole thing and how they pulled 78 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.279 it off. And I mean it was very sloppy in 79 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.240 a lot of ways, so so many decades later it 80 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.040 was easy to kind of piece it all together. So 81 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:48.680 I like conspiracy theories that blow your mind but are 82 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.959 also like traceable and you can actually tie it all together, 83 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.399 do research on top of other people's research, and I 84 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:57.800 mean Julie has done a good job of that. 85 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:00.480 But we both loved the music too. 86 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:02.879 Yeah, And that's the thing is I almost think it's 87 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.600 cooler the way that it really happened. It's like more 88 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:10.120 mysterious than like, oh, a bunch of fucking stoned hippies 89 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.120 just made some good music, and then when you see 90 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.639 what was really going on there, it's a way more 91 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:16.519 intriguing story. 92 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.319 But I love CIA music. It's like the best shit 93 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.600 out there. I grew up on Laurel Canyon music. It's 94 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:26.240 my favorite fucking music. Seat there I go again. Sorry, 95 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:33.040 And I actually when I read strange, strange scenes, and 96 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.480 then I went over to his blog and he has 97 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:40.639 a great website. It's called an Uninformed American or something 98 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.199 like that or I can't remember what it is. 99 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.079 Yeah, but he has a blog. 100 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:47.439 And you can go on there, and like he has 101 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:49.800 a bunch of different topics, but Laurel Canyon is one 102 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.600 of the blogs on there, and he has like pictures 103 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.800 and it's kind of easier to read than the book 104 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.800 because he just kind of does like cliffs notes on 105 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.800 the blog. And so I by the time I got 106 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.800 done reading the book and then reading the blog, my 107 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.279 mind was blown. But it was, like Colby said, I 108 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.920 was like thinking to myself, this makes it almost cooler 109 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:16.800 in a way because they're all military and they all 110 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:20.199 like kind of grew up together at these military bases 111 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:27.000 and shit, and Jim Morrison's dad started to fucking Vietnam 112 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:32.560 War and shit, like that's a way better story. Log Cabin. 113 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:36.759 Somebody just wrote a comment about the log Cabin. That's 114 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.959 also interesting to me because who is a Jared Letto 115 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:40.839 owns it now? 116 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:43.439 No, I think he got Lookout Mountain Studios. 117 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:44.839 Oh he got? Is that what he got? 118 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:45.199 Okay? 119 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:47.920 Is anybody in here now because we argue about that. 120 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:49.639 Okay, yeah, yeah, No, it's. 121 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.480 A leto got Lookout Mountain. 122 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:55.079 Yeah, okay, Well I'm pretty sure somebody. 123 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:59.279 Did you guys see that comment earlier about the log 124 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:01.079 cabin about Vince and Neil. 125 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.199 Oh yeah, plane crash. 126 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:03.480 Yeah. 127 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:04.519 I don't know if that's true or not. 128 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:07.560 It's said that it's a head on collision. I just 129 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.079 looked it up, like the air. There's a collision in 130 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:11.519 the air of. 131 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:13.920 Another plane. 132 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.160 Oh yeah, another one that I know crash before the podcast, 133 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:18.920 Like I was, oh my god. 134 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:22.240 Yeah, yeah, we're not supposed to be flying everybody, dude, 135 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:22.560 I'm not. 136 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:23.959 Flying fucking anywhere. 137 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:25.360 There. 138 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.160 They're gonna know and they're gonna kill us. 139 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.959 So the web, the website just really quickly. Julia was 140 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.920 a Center for an Informed America. 141 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:38.560 Yeah, there you go, there you go. So on that 142 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:43.399 website he's got stuff on like Abraham Lincoln. He's got 143 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.879 stuff about the fake moon landing. He's got stuff about 144 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.199 Laurel Canyon obviously, and the Boston Marathon bombings, so it's 145 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.800 just a really cool place you can go to check 146 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.879 out a lot of his work. He doesn't actually have 147 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.800 a blog about program to Kill, though, which surprises me 148 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.839 because that's like one of my favorite books of all time. 149 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.839 But something that we were kind of mentioning before we 150 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:14.000 started recording is actually how Programmed to Kill and Laurel 151 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.920 Canyon kind of dovetail each other because serial killers and 152 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:23.199 the counterculture movement kind of run hand in hand with 153 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:26.959 each other and one of those things. And I don't 154 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.639 want to like jump too far ahead, but it's Charles Manson, obviously, 155 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:39.480 who is a musician, slash MK, ultra slash CIA, slash 156 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:41.799 am I missing anything, just a. 157 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.399 Cool all around guy. Really yeah, my hero. 158 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:50.360 Actor, right, actor, Very versatile, diverse. 159 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:52.159 Polio. 160 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:53.279 There you go. 161 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.000 Did you guys read Chaos? No? 162 00:08:57.759 --> 00:08:58.120 I did not. 163 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.320 No, go ahead, honey, this is your's time to shine. No. 164 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.559 I just I think it's kind of coming out lately 165 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:07.759 that that guy's a gatekeeper of sorts, and I'm busy. 166 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.480 I'm extremely disappointed by that, But I also I'm not 167 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:15.279 surprised because he said just enough to let everybody tie 168 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:18.320 the pieces together. Like with the Jolly West Tate Ashbury 169 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.759 Free Sex Clinic thing. He would just show you and 170 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:21.960 then you would be the one to go. 171 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:22.279 Oh. 172 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.200 So when Charles Manson knew Jolly West, maybe, but see, 173 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.799 I don't know. He's making a Netflix series of it. 174 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:31.279 A guy I liked interview on my podcast told me 175 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:32.720 that last time I talked to him, and I. 176 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:34.600 Mean, he's making a Netflix series. 177 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:35.279 That's what I got. 178 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:36.919 It's going to be fucking dog shit. 179 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.080 Well we'll see, but I mean I think who's making 180 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:41.200 the Netflix search. 181 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:43.480 Was making the netflixers. 182 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.559 Netflix is doing the adaptation of the book. 183 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:48.840 From what I understand, I don't want to see it, 184 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:51.559 but we'll have to write to verify. 185 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:52.799 I mean, at least start it. 186 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:56.320 Okay, But you saw what they did with Waco. They 187 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:57.559 just fuck everything up. 188 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:02.080 See I've been saying like that whole title alone, chaos 189 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:05.639 is just added chaos to the case, and it just 190 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:09.600 made it more convoluted. I get there's a lot of 191 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.919 interesting stuff that came out, like you said, but it 192 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:14.679 just made it even more confused. You had to go 193 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:19.519 all the way back to the beginning again. And then yeah, 194 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:21.840 it's literal chaos. And then he's coming out with the 195 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.759 second one, which is going to be even now. I 196 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.080 don't even know that new Sam's coming out. 197 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:29.320 I think the most valuable part of that book for 198 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:34.360 me was how he tore apart Bogliosi's narrative because a 199 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:37.360 lot of people take that face value, and there was 200 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.799 there's nothing real in Helter Skelter, the whole theory he 201 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:42.519 lays out. In my opinion, I. 202 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:45.080 Don't think it was. There was anything to that at all. 203 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:49.320 Yeah, And the fact that it shows that he was 204 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:54.279 arrested on parole so many times and release does I 205 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.039 mean it shows you that he was being let out, 206 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:01.120 He's being watched. There's no way you get charges like 207 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.759 that on parole, especially back then you're back in. 208 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:04.440 That's it. 209 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:08.480 You had, Like he had good interesting points in the book, 210 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.200 like about like the parole officer and how the parole 211 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:14.200 officer was like kept helping him and helping him and 212 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:18.960 helping the kids and even helped Yeah, very odd for sure. 213 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.039 And then the which I forget, which beach boy it 214 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:27.639 is that died? Oh Dennis Dennis, Are you sure? 215 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:31.120 Yeah, he's one that dope for his car keys and 216 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.240 kept swimming down to grab him until he died. 217 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.559 Yeah, because he said he was going to write a book, 218 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.120 right and he was going to say what was really 219 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:40.279 going on with Manson. 220 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:43.000 I'd like to have a conversation with Neil Young about 221 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.000 Charles Manson if if there's someone left alive, because he 222 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:46.639 was all about it. 223 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.799 Neil Young sucked his dick hole though he loved that guy. 224 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:52.039 He loved Manson. 225 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:53.919 That's an interesting feat to pull off. 226 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.720 He was doing it, he loved him. He would say like, oh, 227 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:03.120 he's so talented. Look at to check this guy out. So, 228 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.360 I mean, if he would be honest about it, yeah, 229 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.879 I doubt he would because he was also a vaccine 230 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.519 pusher saying he was going to take a ship off Spotify. 231 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:18.080 And the creepy Karpis is the one that supposedly taught 232 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:24.039 Manson guitar in prison, the mob guy, they were like 233 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:25.120 sis and stuff. 234 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.240 So yeah, the beach Boys actually stole some of his ship, 235 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:35.759 and it's kind of all right. I think I think 236 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:37.440 it would have been better than a lot of the 237 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.759 people that he was hanging out with. Oh yeah, I 238 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.600 mean it was. It would have been more like velvet 239 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:42.879 underground type ship. 240 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:49.039 Kind of has a good voice and everything, and the Beach. 241 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:49.720 Boys and all them. 242 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:53.080 They had studio musicians. Anyways, it was if you it 243 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:55.000 was of all about the charisma anyways. 244 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.840 I mean the Birds and all those bands could barely 245 00:12:58.879 --> 00:12:59.919 even play the instruments. 246 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:01.759 Oh yeah, it was direct crew. 247 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:05.120 Yeah, And I mean I think they all learned along 248 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:07.960 the way. I think that's where the doors stand out. 249 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.080 And I think whether that music was written by them 250 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.159 or not, they actually played it. They played it in 251 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.759 the studio. They'd bring in a bass player. Ray Man 252 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.039 Zeric was probably one of the most talented musicians of 253 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.240 that era. There was an instance in Amsterdam where Morrison 254 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.759 was so fucked up that he passed out before the show. 255 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:27.840 He wandered onto the stage when Jefferson Airplane was playing 256 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.639 and fucked up their set. Then he passed out. This 257 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.600 was probably all an act, but ray Man Xeric played 258 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.919 bass with his left hand, played the keys with his 259 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.840 right hand and saying just as good as Morrison and 260 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:43.639 took it did the entire set. So those guys were 261 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:47.279 a good musicians. No, that's Manseric. 262 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:48.399 He wrote a lot or not. 263 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:51.440 Manz Robbi Krieger, he wrote most of their radio hits. 264 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:52.919 I that one. 265 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.919 Well, sometimes they would like they'd like go into they 266 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:00.799 would have to like almost improvise with Morrison because he 267 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:04.000 would go in like trances and he would take like 268 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.440 a two to three minute song and turn it into 269 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:11.279 like twenty minutes, and he for his age. It's odd 270 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.240 just the words and the stuff that he's saying and 271 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:17.879 talking about when you listen to the live performances, like. 272 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.480 Well, you know, a lot of bands back then, Grateful 273 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.879 Dead did that with their space and their drums. You 274 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:24.720 had a lot of jam bands that really kind of 275 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:26.200 was doing with the Doors. 276 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:29.080 Well, the Doors were kind of like a jazzy jazzy 277 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:30.559 jam band when they were alive. 278 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:32.679 Yeah, And I do think that a lot of that 279 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:33.720 going to. 280 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.639 Do, especially in the later years. But I happened to 281 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.679 think Morrison was acting the whole time and did really 282 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:42.919 become a fucking bloated drunk because of what he was 283 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.759 doing to America's youth. I mean, he'd scream at the crowd, 284 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:47.480 you're all. 285 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:50.840 A bunch of slaves, fuckers of. 286 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.159 The One of the things that we had Nick and 287 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.960 I had done a dive into Empedocles, which was an 288 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.000 ancient philosopher, and one of the things that comes up 289 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.440 out of there is the discovery of I am a 290 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:08.039 hexameter or hexameter. It's a type of poetry that it's 291 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.840 like a six stanza type thing. And back in the day, 292 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:16.840 only oracles from Delphi spoke in hexameter, and that if 293 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.200 it didn't happen in hexameter, then it was considered not 294 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:23.519 to be authentic to have been divinated from the oracle. 295 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.440 So one of the things when we're looking at hexameter, 296 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:29.440 just as a quick reference, they said that Jim Morrison 297 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:31.120 wrote his songs in hexameter. 298 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:34.000 Yeah, and who was teaching him do this shit? 299 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:38.679 That's also mentioned in American Horror Story season covin which 300 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:40.320 I keep trying to tell y'allo. 301 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:43.399 We had a guy on We had a guy on 302 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.159 Whole Wild that covered Jim Morrison and he went into 303 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:47.600 some stuff where you like he said he was like 304 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.440 very young age and like went to some specific library. 305 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:56.080 Oh oh oh oh yeah, yeah, I'm not exactly sure 306 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.039 where it was. It might have been in Washington where 307 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.559 he went to some like specific libraries, like young kid 308 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:02.519 to take out some book that was like pretty much 309 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:04.759 like occult stuff. And then we were like, how did 310 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:05.159 you know? 311 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:05.799 Then? 312 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.960 Yes, the internet to tell you that the book was there. 313 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.320 So they said that, like, his dad was stationed in 314 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.200 LA and they made the trip to Washington when he 315 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:20.279 got transferred, and on the way to DC, they stopped 316 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:24.960 at an area in north New Mexico, and Morrison claims, 317 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.279 at the age of three years old, he felt that 318 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.279 the spirits of the native people who had passed away 319 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:36.120 on an accident that had happened at Los Alamos Laboratory 320 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:40.440 entered him and never left. And I had asked Paul, 321 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.759 I was like, did he stop at Los Alamos? Was 322 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.559 his dad affiliated with Los Almos? 323 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:44.840 Why? 324 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.360 That's pretty damn specific. And I do know that Los 325 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.200 Alamo's laboratory they did use Native hands to build the stuff, 326 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.120 and so it would almost beg the question in passing, 327 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.799 did they, you know, stop and Courier, I don't know whatever. 328 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.840 And so he did make a stop there. And we 329 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:06.279 do have significant people that went to Los Alamo's Ranch school, 330 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.839 like WILLIAMS. Burrows and some other people with that ended 331 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:14.599 up becoming huge prominent figures later in society for them 332 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:16.960 to stop there. But what Nick was saying when they 333 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.200 got to DC and he was going to school there, 334 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:23.160 they said that he really wasn't interested in what regular 335 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.359 kids were interested. He was always at the library, and 336 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:29.640 that he went to the library Congress Library, Library of Congress, 337 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:34.079 and that he asked specifically for a demonology book and 338 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.279 like the specific one that was written. And Nick and 339 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:39.160 I were saying that even when we did a deep 340 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.759 dive into some of these grim wars, to know where 341 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:46.279 these grimmoars are, you have to like really search and 342 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.119 find out where it's being housed. The fact that he 343 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:53.160 knew that that specific book was at the Library of 344 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.519 Congress and asked for it and studied it, to me, 345 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.880 indicates that somebody was involved either in grooming letting him 346 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.559 know about this stuff. But at a very young age 347 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:05.960 he was going to the library and reading this stuff 348 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:11.200 and wanted what an Encyclopedia Britannica or something at the 349 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.359 age of something for his birthday. It was very odd, 350 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:15.680 very very odd. 351 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:22.079 Do you think that there's like ritualism involved and like 352 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.960 the CIA part is like separate. 353 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:27.480 Or well to tie to tie in the books and 354 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:34.319 the LSD. When it was the year before Morrison was 355 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:40.039 joining the Doors, he actually had a storage unit and 356 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:44.279 he only had his books in the storage unit, and 357 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.880 he literally lived on the roof and ate oranges from 358 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:52.160 the orange tree and supposedly tripped acid every single day 359 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:57.079 on that roof, and he he supposedly would see his 360 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:01.640 mom in the moon every time he would trip, and 361 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:07.039 he had almost like a sexual fantasy for his mom, 362 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:09.200 and he almost had like a hatred. 363 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:09.559 For his dad. 364 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:13.880 Yeah, the lyrics of the end, I mean, and they 365 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.680 touched on that pretty pretty well in the dolliver Stone 366 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:20.839 movie and also what Lisa was talking about with the 367 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:26.119 Indian stuff that's in the Doors movie. Morrison also mentions 368 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:29.920 it in The American Prayer the Live Poetry album, and 369 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:33.960 he claimed it was a car crash, but the way 370 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.400 Lisa's talking about it is more intriguing to me. I've 371 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:38.000 never gotten Yeah, I've never heard. 372 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.279 About that before. But do you feel like it's do 373 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:42.519 you feel like did ant aspect of this? And I'm 374 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:46.440 just playing Devil's advocate because we weren't there, but we 375 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:48.960 do know who his father was, and we do know 376 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:51.799 about the Laurel Canyon and what they were pulling on 377 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:54.799 us to eat. Like sometimes I hear some of this 378 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:57.960 stuff about musicians and I'm like, God only fucking knows 379 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.559 if any of this is true or just up bullshit 380 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.759 to make this person seem more interesting, because it's like 381 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.839 they have to have a character backstory to make this 382 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.680 movie work and to make them interesting. And I don't 383 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:12.960 think he's dead. I don't think he's part of the 384 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.759 twenty seven club for real. I don't think. And it's 385 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.119 like the Manson murders. You've got me convinced that they 386 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.599 probably didn't even happen. So I think some of this 387 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.920 stuff just it's like to sensationalize the character of Jim Morrison. 388 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:31.400 But I almost wonder if everything we hear about these celebrities, musicians, whatever, 389 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:34.640 especially coming out of the Laurel Canyon, especially someone whose 390 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:38.240 dad literally started the Vietnam War and he never talked 391 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.839 about that for somebody was so anti war and so 392 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.920 fucking counterculture, he never talked about that shit. So I mean, 393 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.000 I don't know how much. And it's not to discount 394 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.559 anything that anybody's researched. It could be true, but I 395 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.319 just don't know if he's as interesting as they make 396 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.119 him out to be for real, because we were talking 397 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.440 about it, and I think a more interesting story would 398 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:04.279 be who he really was, like his dad's you know, 399 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:08.319 and all this his connections, and that's more interesting than 400 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.720 like tripping acid and wanting to fuck your mom and 401 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:12.680 eating oranges. 402 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.359 In my opinion, well a lot of that stuff could 403 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.240 be true. Like I don't think we need to throw 404 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:20.599 the baby out with the bathwater in his past because 405 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:22.759 he was gifted. 406 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:25.880 He was You don't think it's sensationalized. 407 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.400 Of course it is. I mean, I love Slash hate 408 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.720 the Doors movie the Oliver Stone made. I think it's 409 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:35.240 a great movie, but maybe twenty five percent of it's 410 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:36.599 even slightly true. 411 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:39.519 One thing I did think was weird, and you know, 412 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.039 me and Lisa had I think she had agreed with me. 413 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:45.160 I'm not saying like I did make me think the 414 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:48.799 story is false per se. Maybe just stuff missing. But 415 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:50.880 my opinion, a three year old coming out and saying 416 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.839 a lot of that stuff or remembering that stuff from 417 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.359 three years old is like a little like really, like 418 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.119 you really remember that much detail that you were going 419 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.440 through Los Ella's three years. 420 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:08.000 Old, right, or maybe somebody told him that, no, no, no, 421 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.880 But just the whole fact of Los Alamo's ranch itself 422 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:16.119 in and of itself was a huge deal in terms 423 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:20.000 of a connection. Like the guy who started Los Alamo's 424 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.279 School Ranch School before Oppenheimer got there, because Oppenheimer kind 425 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.519 of kicked it all off with Los Alamo's. I mean, 426 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:27.960 all the creditor goes to him in terms of, you know, 427 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:30.079 the building and the construction and the upbringing and all 428 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.720 that other stuff. But initially the Ranch School where William S. 429 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.400 Burrows was going, where Edward T. Hall, Roy Chapman, all 430 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.799 these guys, Colegate guy were all there. The main guy 431 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:46.880 who started it, he was at Stanford, and there were 432 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:50.720 I believe he had some sort of tie to you know, 433 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.119 psychology and all that other stuff, which we know that 434 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.960 Stanford Psychology department. You see Essling kind of you know, 435 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.279 blooming off of that. So to me, I feel like 436 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.480 it's significant that they would make a trip there first 437 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:06.559 and foremost. The other thing that I wanted to say 438 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.480 is that Paul had mentioned in our interview with him 439 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:13.279 that Morrison was constantly getting in trouble, like he was 440 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:15.480 constantly getting in trouble with the law, whether it was 441 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.640 state police, local police, it was constant, whether it was hotels, 442 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:22.000 whether it was drunk, whatever it was, and that I 443 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.599 think somebody had had it. I don't know, It's like 444 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:28.200 federal or something, and they wanted to pick him up 445 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.240 and take him in. Why that would be a big 446 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:36.119 deal is that the dad his dad Apparently there was 447 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:40.440 a letter that was written that the dad actually was 448 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:46.319 wanting to submit his career or his title in exchange 449 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:49.480 for letting Morrison go. And I'm like, okay, if it's 450 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:54.119 local law enforcement or stale enforcement, that would mean nothing, like, hey, 451 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:57.480 I'm a rear admiral. Here's my title to I don't know, 452 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:01.079 state of Texas. Nobody cares. Why would why would that 453 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.920 letter come to me? I think is because he's submitting 454 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:08.000 it to the federal level. And why is the federal 455 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:12.119 level getting involved in what, you know, disturbances? Morrison is 456 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:18.279 causing it some of these concerts, I think, well that's something. 457 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:20.480 There's meat on that bone for sure. 458 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:24.880 I think. Is he one of your favorites from the 459 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:26.039 Laurel Canyon. 460 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:31.119 H Not not particularly. I mean yes, but I think 461 00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:35.480 there's some other ones that I really Eric Clapton was good, 462 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.839 but I really like the females, the like Jody Mitchell 463 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.440 that really kind of like fades away into the you know, 464 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:47.920 the limelight or whatever, more dark and twisty. 465 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.720 Did you like like the Mamas and the Papas or anything. 466 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.359 I did like them. I did like them. I like 467 00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:57.119 their music. But I think the story of like with 468 00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:59.839 Joni Mitchell, I think was very interesting. How she shows 469 00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:03.279 up and everybody's completely floored and fascinated by her. That 470 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.079 Eric Clapton, you know, take his eyes off of her 471 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:09.599 because of her voice. And the thing is that Joni 472 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:12.759 Mitchell was brought over from Florida, and they all knew 473 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.920 each other, every single one of the people that lived 474 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:18.519 in Laurel Canyon. That was another thing when we talked 475 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.680 to I think Vt. Wallace, is that they all knew 476 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.319 each other. Their fathers all worked together in DC or 477 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.440 in some sort of capacity with the OSS or with 478 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.960 some sort of intelligentsia with the US. I think in 479 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:35.400 Florida there was a couple of them that knew each other. 480 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:37.680 I don't remember off the top of my head exactly why, 481 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.640 but they all knew each other. So when they got there, 482 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.920 it's like, you know, like a bunch of kids that 483 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.160 grew up in Martha's vineyard, you know, taking up residence 484 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.839 I don't know, in Martha, Texas or something. 485 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.039 That's kind of how I thought, and a lot of 486 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:57.440 those guys were on strange trips as young people traveling 487 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:02.359 around margin a lot of different places, traveling around, and 488 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.880 then they all start showing up. Right as the war 489 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.880 is about to get kicked off and the anti war 490 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.279 movement's happening, is when they all start showing up. 491 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.599 But yeah, for no reason whatsoever, because the Laurel Canyon 492 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.799 was not a music scene. The major music scene was 493 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:27.759 like Memphis, where else, like New York, New York, Chicago. Yeah, 494 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.039 it wasn't fucking there wasn't anything going on in the 495 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:36.200 Laurel Canyon. They just started migrating there for un explained 496 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.000 reasons literally. 497 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.160 Well, and Vito Pulkas is another interesting on the U 498 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:43.920 because he had the freaks that would show up at 499 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.000 these concerts and a lot of people hadn't seen anything 500 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.480 like that before. So that was mainly, you know, that 501 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:51.400 was the big attraction of a lot of these shows 502 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:55.079 in these small LA clubs was these freak freaky hippie 503 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.559 chicks dancing. And the guy that orchestrated that, I mean, 504 00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.319 his son died when he was like he's like three 505 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:01.799 or four. 506 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:03.960 Yeah, go to poly and he. 507 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:09.039 Was replaced by Bobby Bousella and a Kenneth Anger film, 508 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:13.200 like this guy actually made it okay to go to 509 00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:16.200 one of these shows where the musicians really sucked and 510 00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:18.920 you would just it was just became a big party. 511 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.559 And I mean in the fifties you didn't really have that, 512 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.680 like it was just about the music really in the dancing. 513 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.400 But do you remember what I always say about like 514 00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.640 the plane crash with like Buddy Holly and the Big 515 00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.440 Bopper and all those fuckers on it. That was like 516 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.319 the ending of an era for the counterculture scene to 517 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:42.079 take off, because that was the last of that generation 518 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:46.799 of like intent kind of like puppy dumb music and 519 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:53.400 then all over and after that playing crass hippie, don't 520 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:57.880 shape pits, don't wear out all, don't take birth control 521 00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:05.400 and also uh smoke drugs and what else. I mean, 522 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.359 that's in my opinion, I feel like it was almost 523 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.319 like an overnight kind of transition from Buddy Haley to 524 00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:13.759 Frank Zappa. 525 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.880 Yeah, hippie was invented right there in those clubs, right 526 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:24.640 there by Laurel Canyon and complete, complete invention. And like 527 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.880 you said, it was freaks they wanted to go. People 528 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.119 would show up for the freak aspect of it, and 529 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.799 they didn't care how shitty the music was. 530 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.680 So one thing. 531 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.359 Two things actually so Morrison and not you know, it 532 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:40.799 sounds like I'm just suck on Morrison. I apologize to 533 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.160 the chatting to y'all. Morrison got a degree in cinematology, sorry, 534 00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:53.319 cinematography from UCLA, which would be a liberal arts type college, 535 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.759 right or the department, right, Usually you have them kind 536 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.440 of collated in departments. And so one of the things 537 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:05.039 that we talk about as Stanford and Esselin always being associated, 538 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.480 what we don't realize is that some of the original 539 00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:13.960 professors or scientists that started this whole kickoff with Stanford 540 00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:17.599 and Esselin first came from UCLA and they started in 541 00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.119 that department of the Liberal Arts college. So that's also 542 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.880 to kind of keep in mind. And it was about 543 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.119 the time when Morrison was in school at UCLA. So 544 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:31.799 I think again we have another connection. Another connection, kind 545 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.559 of pivoting off of what Mike said, is that no 546 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.720 one really looks at the Troubadour, which was the club 547 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.440 where all these people were playing there outside of Laurel Canyon, 548 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.640 and he was the main guy that if you played there, 549 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.119 you could play there for free as long as that 550 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.240 when you made it big, you had to come back 551 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.119 and play. His parents I believe his parents were German 552 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.759 or he was of German descent of sort. The owner 553 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.920 from the Troubador, I forget his name, but nobody really 554 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.839 mentions him. He had to have been integral into this 555 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.799 whole scene, you know what I mean. I mean they 556 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.559 had to have gotten exposure somewhere. And who designated Troubadour 557 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.759 to be the club to be exposed exposing these people? 558 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:18.680 I'm not familiar with that, are you. 559 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.400 I didn't know about the guy I know about the club. 560 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.039 Let me look up the name of the Troubadour A 561 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.160 second Alexander Douglas Weston. 562 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.440 Oh, that sounds like a suspicious name. 563 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.200 He was the owner of the Troubadour. 564 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:37.079 Alexander what. 565 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:43.160 Alexander Douglas Doug Weston And he was the owner of 566 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:47.240 Troubadour And it was located at ninety eighty one Santa 567 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:55.160 Monica Boulevard Western But I was initially a coffeehouse. 568 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:55.680 Was it? 569 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:56.920 But like. 570 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.039 I don't was it on the Sunset Strip Santa Monica? 571 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:04.920 Santa Monica is that close? 572 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.000 I mean, it's it's all close down there, depending on traffic, 573 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:13.000 but I would Yeah, there's like three clubs that were 574 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.640 kind of featuring these bands, and the. 575 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.000 Freaks were at some club on Sunset Strip. 576 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.559 Well there was there was the Whiskey Go Go, Yeah, 577 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.200 that's what it was, and the Troubadour. I don't I'm 578 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.920 blanking on the other one, but you know, in the beginning, 579 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.279 it was kind of crazy because the log Cabin was 580 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.119 like a kind of a hangout spot where Zappa and 581 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.920 I mean this is really close to the manson Slanes too. 582 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.599 I mean it all links together. But Frank Zappa, Mama 583 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.039 Cass and one that nobody even really talks about that's 584 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.559 one of my favorites is Captain Beefheart. He kind of 585 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.640 came on later, but Captain Beefheart's story is crazy. He 586 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.920 would actually like imprison his bandmates and make them record 587 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:01.200 under extreme hydration and starvation. I think, yeah, the third album. 588 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:03.599 I like beef Heart's first few albums and he kind 589 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.279 of gets out there, but I just think he's one 590 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.119 that doesn't really get talked about. With Laura King's stuff. 591 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.839 Blocked them up and dehydrated then instead play. 592 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.000 This music, yes, and it was like real weird off 593 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.000 the wall music. One of the I think it was 594 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.880 the drummer escaped during the recording sessions and he ended up. 595 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.480 I think he came back out of guilt or something. 596 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:25.559 Oh my god. 597 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.920 Not not only that, the bass player who also was 598 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.519 the bass player for Zappa for a while. I can't 599 00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:40.599 remember his name right offhand, but he's actually a like 600 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:45.440 a sexual predator. Like he's had cases against him since 601 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.319 the seventies and I think he's even back in prison again. 602 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:55.920 Well, he deserved to be dehydrated and something. 603 00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.519 When he was a child, he was a child prodigy, 604 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.640 and there was like a lot of mystery behind the 605 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:08.200 teacher and everything, and they've actually there's actually been a 606 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:11.400 lot of information that's come out about the guy that 607 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.319 taught him how to sculpt when he was a little kid. 608 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.319 And then he actually became really good friends with Zappa 609 00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:22.839 in high school, and then he was in the Zappa band, 610 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.440 and then he separated from that and started the beef 611 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:26.720 Art Captain beef Art. 612 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:26.960 Yeah. 613 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.880 And wasn't Zappa kind of the main producer of his 614 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:31.880 like launch into it? 615 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.720 Yeah, he produced and that was Cooper. Yeah. 616 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:37.440 I was just gonna say those were his two brand 617 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.480 children really exactly. 618 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:43.680 Yeah, didn't zapA grow up Edgewood Arsenal Well. 619 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.079 That's where his dad worked. And funny because you get 620 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.359 Morrison's dad at the Gulf of Tonken, and then you 621 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.000 have Zappa's dad making the chemical weapons that they were 622 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:53.480 going to use. 623 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:59.599 John Phillips dad fucking I mean Jackson Brown's dad and 624 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.440 someone else that people forget about John Denver, who is 625 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:10.360 definitely Laurel Canyon and his dad was some high up motherfucker. 626 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.599 What was he a captain at Roswell Army Airfield? 627 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.400 I think he was a force Yeah. 628 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:22.159 Roswell literally, and then he goes on to be on 629 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.760 the Board of Governors for NASA for many years. He's 630 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.800 responsible for the first citizens space flight that hit the Challenger. 631 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.280 That's John Dinver's fucking idea. 632 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.840 And then it I mean, whether or not. 633 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.400 You believe those people actually died, it's just as fake 634 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.719 as everything else that came out of the Laurel Canyon. 635 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.840 But I mean John Denver was friends with Mama Cass 636 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.960 and all of them. I mean, look, Denver was a 637 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:52.239 sharpshooter during the Korean War. Thank you, Evanna. I didn't 638 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.199 fucking know that. That is some good information to know. 639 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:57.000 I never heard. 640 00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:58.719 I never heard that. 641 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.800 That's another one from Crosby was one of the more 642 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.480 interesting ones to me because I think a lot of 643 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.519 these guys were just like useful idiots. But then you 644 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.880 had people at Crosby who probably had a hand and 645 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:15.559 orchestrated the whole scene. 646 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.280 His family literally goes back to the Declaration of Independence. 647 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.320 A pretty important character. He's I don't think maybe directly 648 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:30.800 tied to Laurel Canyon, but but Bill Graham, the promoter, 649 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.400 he had like the Phillmore East, he had the Fillmore West. 650 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.239 He was basically the guy that started the Grateful Dead. 651 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:44.159 He started Santana, he started Quicksilver Messenger Service, all the 652 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:49.599 San Francisco bands, Jimi Hendricks, all the same stuff. 653 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.000 So you see Raked all those bands as you just mentioned. 654 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.840 Though playing live they are known for going into like 655 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.480 weird jam jam sessions, all three of those. All those 656 00:35:59.519 --> 00:35:59.880 people do. 657 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.239 But do you think it almost kind of like brains 658 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:03.719 one for. 659 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:09.920 The Velvet Underground, did that too? Love? 660 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.320 You know the the acid test, the original acid tests 661 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:18.119 where the Grateful Dead was just the house banned and 662 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.719 they started up there in northern California. They worked their 663 00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:27.039 way down every basically every night to a different area 664 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.920 where they got all the way down to Watts l A. 665 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.639 And every night they just dripped acid and uh, they 666 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.079 just had peep. It was just a house party. They 667 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.079 would have like instruments laying around and microphones that would 668 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:47.280 be everywhere, and people were encouraged to just like make 669 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.440 noises and say all kinds of strange stuff. 670 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:58.159 Yeah, I'll answer that last comment about the police, because yeah, 671 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.800 it's uh yeah, the Copeland brothers and then I mean 672 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.239 they all they had like three major record labels. It 673 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.280 was the CIA, the Irs, and I don't remember the 674 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:12.400 third one. But McGowan in his prologue as if maybe 675 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.159 he was planning on doing a Laurel Canyon esquees out 676 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:21.480 of the eighties, and the Copeland thing is huge. I 677 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.360 think that one, like somebody should actually write that book 678 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:30.440 because it's just as intriguing. I mean, Laurel Canyon formula 679 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.440 never really stopped. I love to compare it to grunge 680 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.039 because the formula was the same. They tweaked it a 681 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:43.360 little bit for the times. But yeah, the the Copeland 682 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.760 thing is a really good tangent to look into. The 683 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.519 other one was the FBI. I was going to say that, 684 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.840 but I was like, fuck, I guess it was. 685 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.360 The comments are on fire, and somebody cleared up that 686 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.880 thing about John Denver too. They said it was a rumor. 687 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.639 It's like how mister Rogers had all these kills and 688 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:05.719 tats being I remember believing that when I heard it. 689 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.559 Well, didn't, but didn't. So we actually interviewed a guy, 690 00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:15.239 his name is John Gusty, and he said that John Denver. 691 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:17.440 He thinks he's trans. 692 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.000 It's trans. That John Denver is a woman. 693 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.280 Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. The next 694 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.360 time we had that plan, I don't remember what song 695 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:29.800 it was, but I was like, that could easily be 696 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:31.280 a chick. I'm not saying I believe it. 697 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:36.519 He's small and he has small hands. I do love 698 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.800 John Denver, though, did he say he said somebody else 699 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:41.199 from the Laurel Canyon didn't He. 700 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:43.920 He thinks a lot of people are trans. 701 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:48.599 Maybe my grandpa, my grandpa. We said Rod Stewart was. 702 00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.559 Is he still alive? I was gonna say we should 703 00:38:58.599 --> 00:38:59.880 get him in on one of these damn it. 704 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:06.280 You elks was kind of small. Jackson Brown definitely could 705 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.719 be trans, and his dad was in the oss, so 706 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.800 he's a trans Nazis. 707 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.199 What do you think, like overall, what do you think 708 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.239 was the purpose of like Lower Canyon was that, like 709 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:20.880 you think, it was a bunch of different things going on. 710 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.079 It was everything was tied into each other. 711 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.000 Can I go first? I think that they were running 712 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.960 the counterculture movement at the same time with the serial 713 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.360 killer movement, because they the main the first serial killers 714 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.199 came out of the sixties around the same time all 715 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.599 this Laurel Canyon stuff was going down, and they were 716 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.760 like forcing independence on women and telling him to get 717 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.000 out there and go do stuff. And then at the 718 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:51.920 same time there was people like Manson Zodiac, Ted Bundy 719 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.920 just ripping and running through chicks, just literally slashing their 720 00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.559 way up and down the coast. And so it was 721 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:07.119 like mixing of different cultural It's a five layer burrito, okay, countercultures. 722 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:08.360 At the bottom, it's. 723 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.800 The rice and then the beef is. 724 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.519 Programmed to kill, right with the serial killers. But then 725 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.320 there's other layers, right like the nacho cheese, and you 726 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.239 keep going. But I think it's it was just part 727 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:28.840 of like a multi layered psychological operation because they affect 728 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:33.280 the culture and then it's so easy. It's like Colby said, 729 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.280 they just repeated it throughout time with new serial killers 730 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.760 and new music scenes. So it was like the eighties 731 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.920 and then the nineties with like Nirvana and shit, and 732 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:46.679 they just get new people to play these same archetypal 733 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.000 characters and they just keep like upping it every time. 734 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:52.280 Go ahead, honey, what do you think? 735 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.760 Well, I think it is a layer of things. You 736 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.280 got to talk about like Gordon Wasson going down to 737 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:01.360 Mexico with the Time magazine article. The same time Timothy 738 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.039 Timothy Larry's doing this thing coming out of Hartford with 739 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.800 the LSD stuff. He admitted he was a CIA guy 740 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.599 like way before he died. And then you got to 741 00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:16.360 take into the Bay areas going on around then too. 742 00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.199 It was like, yeah, you can control culture, but you 743 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.239 don't really control culture unless you control the counterculture. And 744 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.159 the best way to control it is to create it. 745 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.079 And it's just I mean, the Hegelian dialectic divide and conquer. 746 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.559 It's I don't think there's like one easy way to 747 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.039 just wrap it up in a sentence. 748 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.719 Well, it went from like literally like Buddy Hawley to fucking. 749 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.039 Who have canas you're talking about your. 750 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:50.599 Oh yes, well, you know something else that people don't 751 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.480 talk about in relation to the Laurel Canyon is that 752 00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.239 with the serial killer movement thing with me andson coming 753 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.239 out of California Zodiac, I mean out of California, there's 754 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.079 also the fucking Black Dahlia, which isn't necessarily part of 755 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:06.760 the sixties. 756 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.119 Oh, Lisa, you know about this, right, Yeah. So the 757 00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.039 whole forty seven nineteen forty seven, you know Roswell, you 758 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:18.519 have a switchover from OSSCIA, you have the creation of 759 00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.760 the Air Force Division of the military. You also have 760 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:27.119 Crowley dying in December. The main event that's been forty 761 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.559 seven at the very beginning was in January was the 762 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.760 Black Dahlia death. It kicked it all off, and I 763 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:40.159 think it was one of the most publicized deaths and 764 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:44.880 almost again a traumatizing way to traumatize the public was that. 765 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.440 And if you look into who was probably responsible for that, 766 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:57.480 it does go back to the Laurel Canyon because because 767 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:04.719 the Hodel guy, right, George Hodell, his daughter later became 768 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:09.199 friends with Michelle Phillips right from the Mamas and the Papas, 769 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.480 So it does tie back to Laurel Canyon. But I mean, okay, 770 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.280 I feel like if there's anything that's like CIA or 771 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.400 you need to look into it some more, it'll be 772 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:26.320 on an episode of Ghost Adventures. And fucking Nick knows. 773 00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:28.039 This because we talk about it all the time. 774 00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.599 If you want to know some sketchy ass shit, Zach 775 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.199 Began's will show up with a freaking EMF detector and 776 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.480 he went to George Hodell's house in the Laurel Canyon 777 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.000 and was like, oh, he was incestuous with his daughter 778 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.119 and all that, And I'm like, of course he shows 779 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:48.280 up there like that's perfect, But I do think that 780 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:52.519 it was probably him, and he was incestuous with his daughter. 781 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.280 A lot of the weirdos out of the Laurel Canyon 782 00:43:55.360 --> 00:44:01.119 were incestuous with their daughters. John Phillips was apparently, Frank 783 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:05.039 Zappa was doing weird stuff with his codes, and there 784 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:06.519 was another one am I forgetting. 785 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.079 Oh there's many and. 786 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.800 They were all just running train on their own kids. 787 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.079 The Oh no, wait, no, that was. 788 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.800 The hotel. He would He would even let like when 789 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.480 he had house parties like at the like celebrities and stuff, 790 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:27.280 have sex with his daughter and everything, and then the 791 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:31.719 house was like a Mayan temple yep, yep, and so 792 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:38.119 the and she was like it ties into the house 793 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:42.280 they found like the black Dollia's body, like in the 794 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:46.400 same kind of concrete bags that they had at the 795 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:48.960 house that was used during construction. 796 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.039 I don't know what this comment is about the Layton family. 797 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:59.119 If you read Dave McGowan's blog, there's a whole section 798 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.760 just on the black Dahlia. And after you read that, 799 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.800 after you see the evidence, I doubt you'll you'll think 800 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.960 it's anybody but the Hodell family. And also she got 801 00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.360 pregnant by her father and that kid is still alive. 802 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:17.639 And you know that the brother of I think her 803 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.039 name was Tamar, wasn't it, yes, Maar Hodell. Yeah, her 804 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.000 brother wrote, has written books and done interviews and he 805 00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:30.400 apparently they were doing ritualism in that house. I mean, 806 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.960 it wasn't just a black dahlia. They were like cutting 807 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.119 bitches up and the basement and stuff. 808 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:40.480 Well, doctor Hodell, that's what he did. He did illegal abortions. 809 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:45.519 That was part of what he did. It was like 810 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.519 a thing he couldn't even do then, but he did 811 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:49.360 him illegally for celebrities. 812 00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.679 And they wait a second, so that's American Horn. 813 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:54.800 Murder House. 814 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.360 I was going to say, Thrash can finish talking without 815 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.639 Julia talking about American Horse Story, because yeah, it's the 816 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.559 Matt Ross character in season one is supposed. 817 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:04.559 To be him. 818 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.159 I mean, it's George Odell. It's supposed to see I 819 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.639 told you guys, we're living in the most interesting season 820 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.119 of American Horror Story. We're living in a conglomeration of 821 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:18.760 all the seasons put together. And I will stand by 822 00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:20.000 that until day I'm dead. 823 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:21.840 Well, yeah, if you's hear some Black Mirror in. 824 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.480 There too, black Mirror slash American Horror Story. 825 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.280 Yeah, it would be pretty point. 826 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.280 Nick, who is your favorite out of the Laurel Canyon? 827 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.039 Though I have not ever heard you. 828 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.320 Say, I don't think I really have, would tell you 829 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:36.039 the truth. 830 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.480 Like getting to head right now, you have to pick 831 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.559 one artist out of the Laurel Canyon to listen to 832 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:42.440 until you're dead. 833 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:49.760 Ooh, man might actually go with the Dead who Grateful Dead? 834 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:51.800 Oh well, they were in the bay. 835 00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.599 But I mean, you have to pick canyons so it 836 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.760 can be like Morrison, Mama's and the Papas, who else? 837 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:07.039 The Turtles, Les, David Cross Crosby Stills and. 838 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.079 Nash Hendrick's kind of was around the scene. 839 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.639 The birds love Eric Clapton. 840 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.840 He'll probably just take Eric Clapton. 841 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:18.679 Yeah, I love you. 842 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:22.039 Got What's what's his deal with over there? 843 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:25.440 That guy's story is weird. 844 00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.079 Well, he that's where his kid died, right, He lived 845 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.960 up there at that time, and he was totally tied 846 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.400 in with the monkeys and all of them, like all 847 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.199 of them were tight. 848 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:38.679 They all have pictures together. 849 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:41.840 Who was Graham Parsons with. 850 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:49.719 The Flying Burrito Brothers? I think is Graham Parsons? Yeah, 851 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:56.000 And he died in the town that I grew up 852 00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.639 in when I was a little kid. My grandpa like 853 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:00.000 built a house there and everything. 854 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:01.199 Joshua Tree. 855 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.679 Yeah, and he died in that hotel there and. 856 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.079 Zach Began's Ghost Adventures and. 857 00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:12.360 There's a Ghost Adventures episode I was gonna say at 858 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:13.079 that hotel. 859 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.800 Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. And isn't there 860 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.559 like that weird story where they took Graham's body and 861 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:21.320 they like buried it on the soul. 862 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.800 They made a really good movie of that with what's 863 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:28.239 the fucking jackass guy's name? 864 00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:32.519 Not so Yeah? Yeah, grand Theft Parsons, I think, is 865 00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:33.280 that's what it is? 866 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.679 I mean to me, Like she keeps talking about how 867 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:38.960 this is all like keeping the story alive. So I 868 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.400 would have to say ghost adventures just another way that 869 00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:42.880 they keep these legends going. 870 00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:44.000 Oh for sure. 871 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:45.519 I don't know. 872 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.599 We talked about it when we cover Jeffrey Dahmer because 873 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:50.920 I said he'll show up at Jeffrey's apartment and I 874 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.000 was like, oh, no, he can't because they burnt it down. 875 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:58.280 They built a playground there. So it's it's just funny 876 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.880 how he shows up at these places that like how 877 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.840 does he know about this? Literally, the he goes to 878 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.840 the hotel where Grandparsans dies, He went to Kenneth Anger's 879 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:13.079 old house and interviewed Kenneth Anger. Did you guys thrash 880 00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:13.599 did you Yeah? 881 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.000 Yeah, yeah yeah, And they like shoved the lion claw 882 00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.840 marks that were like at the mansion when Levey owned 883 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.320 the Lion and yeah yeah they did. They did like 884 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:27.199 an investigation like in one of the rooms where they 885 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.639 did one of the rituals and everything. Yeah, and Angers 886 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.639 like just all talking about summoning demons and everything right 887 00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:40.880 on the episode. Yeah, literally, his Lucifer jacket his Lucifer jacket. 888 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.719 What channel do they play ghost Adventures on? Is it 889 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:46.639 like t LC or some ship like that. 890 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.280 You travel channel, your travel Travel. 891 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.159 Channel, that's what people. They literally are just clicking around 892 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.280 on TV and freaking Kenneth Anger pops up with this 893 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.800 Lucifer jacket and summing demons. Yeah literally really that so. 894 00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:04.920 But Kenneth Anger is a whole other aspect of the 895 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.119 Canyon though, because he uh was it the Rolling Stones 896 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:11.519 and they were going to do some project with him 897 00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:12.440 or something like that. 898 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.920 Yeah, And I mean he's heavily tied in with a 899 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:16.960 lot of the Manson people. 900 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.920 Well, there's even rumored that the original guitar player of 901 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:27.519 the Rolling Stones, Yeah, that he was doing a black 902 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.559 magic ritual and I don't think he finished it and 903 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:34.400 they found him like drowned in the pool. 904 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:36.360 Yep, that is true. 905 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.960 And then I guess if we're talking about the Stones, 906 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.239 we should bring up the uh It's in the book, right, 907 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.039 The Altamont. 908 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.119 Park, I don't know. This one to me is one 909 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.679 where everybody just argues about what went down that day, 910 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.960 Like I think we got into some hot water last 911 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:56.760 time we talked about it. 912 00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.719 Have you seen the video I never did see it. Yeah, 913 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.360 there's the video and you can see the whole thing 914 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.320 go down between the Hell's Angel and uh, there's like 915 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.360 a black dude. I think he has a knife and 916 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.360 you can see pull No, I think he pulls out 917 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.239 a gun and then the Hell's Angel pulls out like 918 00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.440 a k bar and you can they just it just 919 00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.400 they just get into a whole fight right there in 920 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:27.280 the crowd. And there's like a whole story of one 921 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.239 of the Hell's Angels named Animal. He would wear like 922 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.079 a fox he had like a fox head he would wear, 923 00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:38.639 and uh, you can see him actually instigating something like 924 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:42.480 he takes like a like a billy club or something 925 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.639 and jab somebody. They were like messing with the band 926 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:51.559 of Jefferson Airplane. It was just like chaos from all 927 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:56.000 all day. Like the Hell's Angels were just bullying people around. 928 00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.199 You can see you could watch on video where like 929 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.880 Animal he's like bullying people one like smacking crowd members 930 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.519 and just because they're getting a little too close to 931 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:05.199 the stage. 932 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.280 And yeah, and the Rolling Stones hired them as security. 933 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.480 Yeah why would yeah, yeah, why would you look. 934 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.480 Like there's the Hunter S. Thompson thing. There's a Bundye 935 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:18.360 victim that was supposedly taken away by Hell's Angels from 936 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.559 like a big picnic. These guys always kind of have 937 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.000 they're just in the background. 938 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.159 And the Ascettach they were directly involved at the attack too. 939 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:28.760 And I mean and they did do a lot of 940 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.239 black black market drug dealing back then too, Like they 941 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.800 definitely had connections to Wait. 942 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.639 And all started by ex military. They were passes just 943 00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:39.519 like the military. 944 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:46.360 I mean named after the squadron, the Hell's Angels. What 945 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:51.400 squadron it was an Air Force squadron named the Hell's Angels, 946 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.400 and that's what they they named their. 947 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:55.480 All. 948 00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:59.239 All the major biker gangs have ties from the Vietnam 949 00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:01.559 where they come back. A lot of them were started 950 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.480 there and the original ones were started to World War 951 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.880 two because they would learn how to ride motorcycles over 952 00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:10.800 there and then they became available. 953 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:17.440 So what's Hybrid and Parsons Laurel Canyon decade, Well. 954 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.239 I mean that was earlier, but still it's it's around 955 00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.280 the time Lisa was talking about nineteen forty seven. That era, 956 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:26.239 like a lot of big things going on there. I 957 00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:30.679 do think that scientology and its naval intelligence connection can't 958 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:32.320 be overlooked if we're talking about. 959 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.719 The Laurel Canayan ties in direct I'm sorry, but the 960 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:45.639 Laurel Canayan ties in directly to Jack Parsons and the 961 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.480 Oto lodge he was a part of, which is called 962 00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:53.000 the Agape Lodge in California, and there's evidence that Charles 963 00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:58.719 Manson was Actually there's some weird stuff where they hired 964 00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:02.119 them to break into the lodge to get a bunch 965 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.559 of files and documents because there was like a like 966 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.559 an argument between Israel Regardi and the other person that 967 00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:15.920 was running the lodge at the time, m And they 968 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:20.039 had the Mansons dude like creepy crawl into the lodge 969 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.280 and it was in Death Valley. And then there's all kinds. 970 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:28.119 There's a weird story that ties into that lodge called 971 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:29.280 the Boy in the Box. 972 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.440 I was just gonna see. There was a boy that 973 00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.719 was locked in a box somewhere and they were somehow 974 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.440 able to Okay, so you know that story good? 975 00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:40.599 Yeah. Yeah, he was locked in a box at the 976 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:45.000 lodge and supposedly they were like using him for ritual 977 00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:49.400 and stuff, and they found him chained up and he 978 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.400 had just like a bowl of water and like some food. 979 00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:55.920 Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they said like they weren't. 980 00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:58.599 He was just like pissing and shitting all over himself 981 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.320 in the box. And it was a lot like how 982 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:05.719 they talk about the kids at Presidio Air Force Base. 983 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.159 They were getting pissed on and shipped on, and like 984 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.960 that's one of the main things if you look for Satanism, 985 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.840 is like kids getting literally pissed and shipped on and 986 00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:18.760 some I think it was actually in McGowan's blog about 987 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:20.760 this kid that was locked in the box. I can't 988 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.079 remember all the details, like. 989 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.039 Thrash it was. He had a whole chapter on it 990 00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:30.320 directly with the Laurel Canyon and like Manson and then 991 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:32.280 some some band. 992 00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.280 That you know, not to get back to, like the 993 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.239 piss and ship stuff, But that didn't come up. That 994 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.920 did come up. That did come up in one of 995 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.519 Paul Bonacci's story, not to him, but the chick I 996 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:49.039 forgot the girl that he was with a lot. They 997 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:51.039 had both left one time. I think they actually got 998 00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.960 into a plane and went somewhere and they both got 999 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:57.480 split apart. Yeah, when she came back into the car 1000 00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.440 to get back into the riot, I mean he said 1001 00:55:59.519 --> 00:55:59.880 she was. 1002 00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.239 Just pass some shit. 1003 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.760 Well, and I think that's where isn't that the story 1004 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.239 where Hunter S Thompson gets involved? 1005 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:11.440 Is he king? 1006 00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:14.920 I mean he's he was, he'd spent a lot of 1007 00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:18.519 time in the Bay and LA but yeah, the Bonazzi 1008 00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:22.079 stuff about him, and McGowan was convinced that Hunter s 1009 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:23.920 Thompson was one of the bad ones. I listened to 1010 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.960 an interview where you can just hear the heartbreak in 1011 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:30.559 his voice and I feel the same way like that 1012 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:32.119 one's kind of hard to swallow. 1013 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:36.440 Yeah, Hunter s Thompson, he's no good. 1014 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.079 I mean yeah, I mean the more I look into it, 1015 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:40.880 the more I don't want to, but I can't stop. 1016 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.199 We're actually going to do a huge episode on him. 1017 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:47.920 He's literally the model Nightmare neighbor. He's literally just like 1018 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:51.000 taking his forty four and just like unloading it at 1019 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:56.239 the neighbor and running a sheriff. Yeah, s eriff and 1020 00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.800 shaved his head and he had like the what was 1021 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:02.760 it the payote button logo for the sheriff. 1022 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.840 And well that's another up there is in Aspen, Aspen 1023 00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:10.639 and Boulder, they're connected and they have the same kind 1024 00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:10.920 of thing. 1025 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:12.960 Glenn Fry from The Eagles. 1026 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:17.000 Was up there and a lot of weird stuff like that, 1027 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.400 like he had a pass from a lot to do 1028 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:20.800 whatever he wanted to do up there. 1029 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.039 And yeah, and Bill Murray and Brian Doyle Murray were 1030 00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:26.400 hanging out with Hunter S. Thompson quite a bit too. 1031 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.960 So that sucks, That really sucks. I love Bill Murray. 1032 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:32.159 Colby told me that he fucked his. 1033 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.320 Cat Hunter S. Thompson. So do you guys know this 1034 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:40.480 story about the Screwjack Postge my gosh. 1035 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.559 You guys are gonna fucking throw Well. 1036 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:44.920 So, like I said, I was a huge Hunter S. 1037 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.199 Thompson fan. I read everything I could get my hands on. 1038 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:51.480 And not long after he died, they published this like 1039 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:55.960 collection of short stories called Screwjack. And you all know 1040 00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.559 about how he kind of, oh, this is fiction, but 1041 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.880 is it with fear and loathing and all that. I mean, 1042 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.800 he knows that he has to claim that it's satire, 1043 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:09.760 and but it's a first person account about him fucking 1044 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.760 his cat. And I read that and just kind of 1045 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.400 does the cats on the cover the cats on the 1046 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:17.320 cover of the book too. 1047 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.880 Yeah, And it's a cute cat. I've seen a million 1048 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:27.400 cats like that. It's a little black cat. Yeah, do 1049 00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:28.079 you believe it. 1050 00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.280 Though, no, I can't. I gotta wonder. 1051 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:35.039 Well as far as as far as counterculture, I mean 1052 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:41.159 who he was huge and drugs and especially the Hell's 1053 00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:44.719 Angel Like, he broadcasted that and made it popular, so 1054 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:48.840 that whole counterculture movement would and the Hell's Angels wouldn't 1055 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:51.280 be nearly as popular if you didn't write that book 1056 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.000 and show up on that TV show where. 1057 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.519 The one Yeah, and let's not forget that Adrena Chrome 1058 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:01.559 was published in the ninety teen seventy two novel where 1059 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:05.280 you know it kind of faded away. We didn't really 1060 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:07.039 know about it. I mean you can look into the 1061 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:09.280 history of it and it's all pretty credible. But then 1062 00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.679 he brought it into mainstream culture and then again with 1063 00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:14.519 the movie in the nineties with Johnny Depp. 1064 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.480 I mean that I remember being a kid and I 1065 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.400 used to be obsessed with looking up different drugs for 1066 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.760 some reason. I would look up every drug possible and 1067 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.320 what they did and everything. And I remember watching Fear 1068 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.239 and Loathing in Las Vegas and here, oh, what's that one? 1069 00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:35.280 Let me read that one up? And I remember looking 1070 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.920 it up on like eroid dot org or whatever nice 1071 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:43.800 and there was a lot of interesting stuff back then. 1072 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:46.320 It was like two thousand and five, two thousand and six, 1073 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.840 I Love, I Love, and then like a lot of 1074 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:50.719 that disappeared. 1075 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:52.480 What did it say? 1076 00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.400 Just all kinds of stuff like the different doctors and 1077 00:59:56.480 --> 01:00:00.920 alkaloids and like different experiments that are we're done with 1078 01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:04.639 it and area real kinds of detailed information. Yeah, and 1079 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:08.000 then it would also say that it's mainly only was 1080 01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:13.079 talked about in that book, and that's was like where 1081 01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.519 it was first heard of really in the public. 1082 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.159 Mm hmm. Well, I think if we're going to talk 1083 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:24.880 Laurel Canyon stuff, we should also mention actors from the 1084 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.840 Laurel Canyon, because I don't think we did that last 1085 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:29.760 time we covered the canyon, did we. 1086 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:32.199 I think we skimmed it a little bit. 1087 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:34.000 I think I have a list. 1088 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:36.199 Oh, go ahead, as you look, as you look up 1089 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:38.639 a list. I wanted to kind of mention something that 1090 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.079 about Frank Zappa. I don't know if if y'all have 1091 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:45.840 already mentioned this before, but did y'all know about his dad, 1092 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.880 Frank Zappa's dad M. H. Edward Arsenal, Yeah, yep, And 1093 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:57.559 so he he actually was like a metallurgist for Lockheed 1094 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:02.760 and Convet Aircraft corporates as well. And during this time, 1095 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:10.079 that's when Edgewood was also affiliated with mk OH I'm 1096 01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:14.039 sure one time, and they were running Elis experiments at 1097 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:17.440 the same time. So it's just pretty interesting that you 1098 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.599 have that and then you have Frank Zappa kind of 1099 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.079 show up and then this whole psychedelic scene. But the 1100 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.880 other thing is Zappa's wife was also intelligence, so she 1101 01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:28.360 came from a long line of intelligence people as well. 1102 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.480 And then you know, you go down the whole list 1103 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:37.400 of I think it was like his manager. If you 1104 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.519 already mentioned this, I apologize. He was like a gun 1105 01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:43.960 runner in the Caribbean. I mean, just what was his name, 1106 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:49.480 his manner Cohen? Yeah, I do remember that from the 1107 01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:54.119 book her Cohen. And there wasn't there another one though, 1108 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:55.639 a Rothschild, though. 1109 01:01:56.320 --> 01:02:02.400 The Paula Rothschild currently discovered them and I think he 1110 01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:03.599 was Electure records. 1111 01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.760 But Frank Zappa, he even claimed like when his dad 1112 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:13.079 worked at Edgewood Arsenal and they were there, that he 1113 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:17.920 had horrible problems breathing and he had horrible coughing problems 1114 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.719 and stuff like that. And then when they moved to California. 1115 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:24.239 A lot of that cleared up. But then famously, Frank 1116 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:31.440 Zappa died horribly of cancer ainus cancer. Yeah, ainus cancer. Yeah, yep. 1117 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.639 So is he breathing through his assent? 1118 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:36.559 He was doing all kinds of stuff with his ass 1119 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.840 If you ask me, everybody. 1120 01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:43.840 Weren't wasn't Wasn't this where they were developing all the 1121 01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:48.039 nerve gases saren and orange and all that other stuff 1122 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:51.039 to be later used in Vietnam. This was at that time. 1123 01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.480 Yeah, my notes say that his dad was the head 1124 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.880 of operation what is this chemical Warfare and mk ultra 1125 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.639 operations at the experimental Edgewood Arsenal Facility. That's what I 1126 01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:08.000 have in my notes. But you were talking about his wife, 1127 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:14.280 And actually John Phillips's wife was a direct descendant of 1128 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:21.280 President John Adams. And I think his John Phillips's sister 1129 01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:25.760 was a career employee of the Pentagon. And so yeah, 1130 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:29.039 I mean, all these guys, it's like, and I said 1131 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:32.079 about Crosby earlier, like his family tree goes back to 1132 01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:36.840 like signers of the Declaration of Independence, high ranking Mason's 1133 01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.159 people were paying to like have his baby, weren't they? Like, 1134 01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.199 please nut inside me please nut inside me. 1135 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:46.079 But I don't. 1136 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:48.639 I mean, I don't know what's going on with them. 1137 01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:51.800 Ye, and the whole my whole point. And I know 1138 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:54.719 everybody said this already. I know in every Laurel Canyon 1139 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:57.119 stuff they keep saying this. But if if you have 1140 01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:01.159 a bunch of military brats, right, because that's what they were, 1141 01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:06.079 and they all move to an area where it's an 1142 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:10.960 air Force base, Lookout Mountain, and then you have all 1143 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.719 of these I don't know oops coming out of Lookout 1144 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:19.440 Mountain that were influencing the culture. I think they just 1145 01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:24.800 diversified their portfolio, like Nick said, well, manipulating society. 1146 01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:29.840 So a part of the book is so back then 1147 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:34.320 almost everybody or there was a good percentage chance that 1148 01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:36.880 you were going to get drafted. And whether you made 1149 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:39.159 it or not through the medical and all that, that's 1150 01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:43.400 another thing. But at least being drafted huge likelihood. And 1151 01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:46.079 he went through and none of the people in Laurel 1152 01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.639 Canyon got drafted. So it seems like these high ranking 1153 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:53.400 people found, you know, creative ways of getting their kids 1154 01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:54.480 not to get slaughtered. 1155 01:04:55.719 --> 01:05:00.360 Or maybe they were drafted but in different capacities, you 1156 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.800 know what I mean, Like they were drafted, but they 1157 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:09.519 were carrying out a different operation and they were very useful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1158 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.119 they were very useful. So there was no way that 1159 01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:14.280 they were going to like ship them off somewhere. They 1160 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:17.239 were doing a great job here, you know, at home. 1161 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:22.079 Well remember they did that with Elvis, They had him 1162 01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:26.199 all dressed up in the military and army and everything, 1163 01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:28.760 and then they did that with Jimmy Hendricks as well. 1164 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:31.519 That's true. 1165 01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:34.239 And Elvis was literally an agent. 1166 01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:35.000 He was a. 1167 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.719 DA agent, And people go through these books and they're like, oh, 1168 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.320 it's just you know, some goofy thing he did because 1169 01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:45.519 he has that much clout. 1170 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.480 But he was deputized in like several agencies. 1171 01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:53.239 I mean, so isn't that where he met Priscilla too? 1172 01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:54.239 In Germany? 1173 01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:57.000 I'm not sure. 1174 01:05:57.840 --> 01:05:59.840 No, isn't that like Priscilla like his. 1175 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:05.679 Like by the way, Yeah, but think she I think 1176 01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:07.760 she was even younger than that when the courtship. 1177 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:12.800 He was thirteen when the courtship began. But I swear 1178 01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:16.519 he was he like met her while he was overseas. 1179 01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:18.800 I want to say it brought her back. 1180 01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.639 He came I think he came home on leave or 1181 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:24.400 something and met Priscilla I mean, it's a story. 1182 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:24.840 I don't know. 1183 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:26.679 I covered it a long time ago. 1184 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:28.320 But actually. 1185 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:32.960 I was going to have you tell your theory about 1186 01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:34.679 Jack Nicholson. 1187 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:39.159 Oh well, I think that Jack Nicholson, he's got one 1188 01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:43.000 of the most intriguing stories out of any of the 1189 01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:47.360 Hollywood guys come out. Yeah, but he's because he was 1190 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.880 definitely kind of not huge when he was doing his 1191 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.159 acting in the beginning. And the story is is that 1192 01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:56.840 he decided to become more of a producer and then 1193 01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:01.000 Rip Torn had a schedule conflict when they were doing 1194 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.760 Easy Writer, and so they got Nicholson, and then that 1195 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:08.280 role helped him blow up. But his story is so 1196 01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:13.079 similar to Ted Bundy's, like with him being raised by 1197 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:15.280 a grandmother that he thinks is his mother and his 1198 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:19.519 sister is actually his mom. No birth certificate, no birth certificate. 1199 01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:24.400 But we were covering Ted Bundy and ever since, you know, 1200 01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:26.480 probably like the last five years or so, when I've 1201 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:28.599 started to think a lot of this stuff is just bullshit. 1202 01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:29.400 Stage to that. 1203 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:33.719 Syops, I thought there was an interview with Ted Bundy. 1204 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.559 I think it was in Colorado, and I swear it 1205 01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:37.559 to Jack Nicholson. 1206 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:39.599 Yeah, I think it's compelling. 1207 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:40.239 It's it. 1208 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.679 Did you ever see the movie psych Out with Jack Nicholson? 1209 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:48.000 Is that one of the like the ones he made 1210 01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.119 with Fonda and Dennis Hopper before they did Easy Writer, 1211 01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:52.119 And yeah, it's. 1212 01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:54.679 Like it's like a it's like an acid movie through 1213 01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:55.239 the whole thing. 1214 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:59.079 Yeah, they kind of worked their way up to Easy Writer, 1215 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.320 which to me, I love Easy Rider. That was one 1216 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:01.960 of my favorite. 1217 01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:05.360 And then he also he also did a biker movie too. 1218 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.039 Yeah, wasn't that Easy Rider? 1219 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.199 No, I mean not a different one if it's almost 1220 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:14.360 like Hell's Angels kind of thing. Really, it was called 1221 01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:15.239 Hell's Angels. 1222 01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:16.800 Maybe I don't remember. 1223 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:20.720 He played the joker too, Oh, yeah he did. 1224 01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:26.600 I think Jack Nicholson is probably one of the most 1225 01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:29.760 well known out of the list. I mean maybe my 1226 01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:34.800 list is Jack Nicholson, Warren Bady, Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda, Salminio, 1227 01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.479 and James Dean, which there's a whole thing about James 1228 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.159 Dean too. I can't remember what it is though he 1229 01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:41.840 was gay. 1230 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:46.279 Right and uh was he gay? I know Montgomery Clips. 1231 01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:51.079 I remember reading something in the Gallas Rock Hudson was gay. 1232 01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:52.079 I mean maybe they all. 1233 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.039 Were who they're and they're gay together. 1234 01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:58.079 But yeah, the list is. But you got to throw 1235 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:01.199 Roman Plansky in there, a one hundred Roman. He's not 1236 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:01.840 an actor. 1237 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:07.239 But you should also didn't say your theory about the 1238 01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:10.760 the Tate murders being staged. 1239 01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:11.279 Oh yeah. 1240 01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.520 I've just come to the point where I think a 1241 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:17.479 lot of these things never really happened, and the Lobbianca 1242 01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:21.439 ones I think probably get overlooked a lot just because 1243 01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:26.000 of the you know, the scope of the Tate killings. 1244 01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:30.319 But I don't know, I can't be convinced after reading 1245 01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:34.399 everything about Laurel Canyon and who her dad was and 1246 01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:36.199 the way they blew it up. It's kind of like 1247 01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:38.479 how I also don't think the West Memphis three thing 1248 01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:42.079 even is real. It just seems like they take these 1249 01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:46.079 moments in time to really shift everything, and I really 1250 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.840 don't think they would have to kill anybody Oftentimes. 1251 01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:52.520 You think it was like a Hollywood stage, Like. 1252 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:59.399 I mean, Hollywood is CIA, CIA is Hollywood. Throw Disney 1253 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.640 in there. Laurel Kanson stuff. Sharon Tates that I don't 1254 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:05.720 remember if what branch and military he was, but he 1255 01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:09.239 kind of came in and just took over after it happened, 1256 01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.399 And I mean, they just all the stuff they found 1257 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:17.000 that the Polansky household it if she is dead. I mean, 1258 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.359 I'm kind of on the fence about it, but if 1259 01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:22.399 I had to say, you know, life or death situation, 1260 01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:25.199 gun to head, I would say that they staged a 1261 01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:28.640 lot of it. Yeah, and the Polansky Nicholson connection is 1262 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:32.399 huge too, and that's whose house the hot tub incident 1263 01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:35.199 happened with the girl, you know, the whole reason they 1264 01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:38.600 had to extradite him, or not extradite, but move him 1265 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:42.520 over to France. So a lot of the Hollywood stuff 1266 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:45.399 really goes overlooked when we talk about Laurel Cannons just 1267 01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:49.119 because the music scenes huge, way easier to get kind 1268 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:51.880 of engulfed in. But a lot of the stuff that 1269 01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:54.560 is the darkest was gone on with the movie stars. 1270 01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:56.239 Yeah. 1271 01:10:56.399 --> 01:11:00.279 Well, Lookout Mountain had stated the art equipment and that's 1272 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.520 where they were filming nuclear films, right for the nuclear blasts. 1273 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:08.479 And that's what they said officially. I think they were 1274 01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:11.479 doing a lot of stuff unofficially that will never know 1275 01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:11.920 about it. 1276 01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:14.359 They say that's where they like developed the films. 1277 01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:15.279 Okay, then why. 1278 01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:16.960 Did Marilyn Monroe. 1279 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:19.359 Have top Well, what he's saying I always thought that 1280 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.039 those things looked like a model. 1281 01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:23.199 Yeah, they look fake and gay. 1282 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.159 And that's where they're probably filming all that type of stuff. 1283 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.840 And like, if Kubrick really did film the moon landing, 1284 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.279 if it was him or somebody else that lookout, that's 1285 01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:31.479 probably where they would have done it. 1286 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:35.479 I mean, Marilyn Monroe, she was one of the astronauts. 1287 01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.000 Frank Sinatra, right, yeah. 1288 01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:40.880 Frank Sinatra had top apparents. 1289 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:47.760 Well, I don't know why I'm blanking Oh Sebring, J Sebring. 1290 01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:50.359 I brought it up last time, but you have to 1291 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:53.840 watch the J. Sebring documentary. It's interesting. 1292 01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:55.520 Where can we find it? 1293 01:11:56.399 --> 01:11:58.600 It was just on Amazon when it came out, and 1294 01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:00.920 I think I readed it for like two or three bucks. 1295 01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:02.079 It's just called J. 1296 01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:02.960 Sebring or what. 1297 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:06.159 Yeah, it's just about it's about him. It's a it's 1298 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:11.479 pretty interesting, but they it. It has the lawyer and everything, 1299 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:13.560 and it kind of talks about he was saying that 1300 01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.640 Sharon was trying to divorce Polanski and that she was 1301 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:24.359 trying to get back with Seabring, and it's pretty interesting. 1302 01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:28.000 I found it interesting anyway. But the only problem again, 1303 01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:31.960 it just adds to the case you're like, oh my gosh. 1304 01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:36.199 Now here's this Yeah, right, I know, But isn't j C. 1305 01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:38.600 Bring the one that used to cut Jim Morrison's hair? 1306 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:38.920 Jase? 1307 01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:47.159 I mean he was the jer Sinatra, Sinatra, Sammy Davis, 1308 01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:56.960 Uh yeah, all those people, almost anybody that what's his 1309 01:12:57.279 --> 01:13:01.840 what's his name? Steve McQueen was like his best friend? Mmm? 1310 01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:10.039 Was Natalie Wood Laurel Canyon? I mean I think like 1311 01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:14.720 Laurel Kenyon adjacent definitely, because I know she was tight 1312 01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:18.840 with Warren Batty. Who is Laurel Canyon? And that I 1313 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:22.279 did an episode a long time ago on like how 1314 01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:24.680 weird her death was too. 1315 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.439 Because well a lot of people watched Once upon a 1316 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:29.960 Time in Hollywood with the Brad Pitt out on the 1317 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.760 boat with the harpoon thing, and because they maybe killed 1318 01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:37.760 his wife, that that was a nod to Natalie Wood, right, situation. 1319 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:40.520 I didn't know that, but I mean, yeah, there's a 1320 01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.119 lot of suspicious, weird stuff about what happened to her, 1321 01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:45.680 because wasn't who was. 1322 01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:51.279 On the boat, right, I can't remember the other her 1323 01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.560 husband and they got an argument or something. She had 1324 01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:57.159 hung out with Christopher walking all day or something. 1325 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:00.560 Yeah, that's what it was and he was on the boat. 1326 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.720 I do remember that, but gosh, I wish I could 1327 01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:06.720 remember from that episode. But there was like even like 1328 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.239 a witness or something that saw her, like in the 1329 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:12.359 water screaming for help, and nobody would throw her a floaty. 1330 01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:16.159 I mean, she couldn't swim, so but I couldn't remember 1331 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:19.079 if she was Laurel Canyon or like Laurel Canyon adjacent. 1332 01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:21.439 I mean, I think that McGowan does bring her up 1333 01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:21.920 in the book. 1334 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:24.239 He also brings up Phil Hartman too. 1335 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:24.720 Yeah. 1336 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:28.520 Phil Hartman's an interesting one just because of I don't 1337 01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:31.039 remember exactly what he was doing, but he ended up 1338 01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:35.520 being like the guy who designed a lot of the logos, right, yeah, 1339 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:37.399 did some album cover artwork. 1340 01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:40.239 He came up with Crosby Stills in Nash logo. 1341 01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:45.279 Yeah, and I think his death is really suspicious. I 1342 01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:46.640 used to just buy the story. 1343 01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:48.560 But his wife shot him. 1344 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:50.760 Yeah, I mean I heard someone talking about it once 1345 01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.159 and then when they said that she used to step 1346 01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:55.359 down to kill herself, then she used to kill him. 1347 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:57.199 That right there was like, Okay, you got to look 1348 01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:00.199 into this one because there's a lot of fuck you 1349 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.000 have foot on that one. And he was around all 1350 01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:04.479 these guys when he was really young. 1351 01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:11.560 Yeah, and I can't remember where what part of the block. 1352 01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:13.840 I think it was like on the last page or something. 1353 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.439 He talks about like Phil Hartman and some people who 1354 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.640 were like distantly related to the Canyon. I think that's 1355 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:24.680 when Natalie Wood comes up. But I mean, I feel 1356 01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:29.199 like I've asked everybody except for Mike and Thrash who 1357 01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:33.239 their favorite Laurel Canyon people. Did I ask you, Lisa? 1358 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:34.720 You did? 1359 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:37.800 I did ask your favorite? 1360 01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:42.520 Oh and you said yes, I said, I mean I 1361 01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.800 like them, yes, But I think, like I said, Joni Mitchell, 1362 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:49.479 all right, Yeah, that's what she said, because he really 1363 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:52.119 talks about them. They're kind of in the background, probably 1364 01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:54.039 watching it all happen now. 1365 01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.439 Eric Clapton all day. For me, I love Eric Clapton. 1366 01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:01.159 Is that what Nick landed on to? 1367 01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:03.359 I think so yes. 1368 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:05.520 That leaves Thrash. 1369 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:11.039 Well, it's it's either Frank Zappa or Jim Morrison, like 1370 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:17.840 I'm but I have more Jim Morrison books. But I 1371 01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:22.319 feel like I'm more into Frank Zappa's music. I feel 1372 01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:27.760 like Frank Zappa actually said a lot with his music, 1373 01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:29.880 like he was kind of exposing a lot of MK 1374 01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.399 ulture and stuff in my opinion, even though he was 1375 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:33.880 still kind of a garbage guy. 1376 01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:39.760 Mm hmmm. Yeah, well the best ones are what was it, 1377 01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:40.920 mothers of invention. 1378 01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:45.000 But he started he like gave like so many good 1379 01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:47.479 musicians got their start through Frank Zappa. 1380 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:52.680 Un as far as just like musically speaking, he was 1381 01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:56.680 so extimental and I think he's probably influenced so many 1382 01:16:56.760 --> 01:17:01.000 people that probably wouldn't be playing music today. He's definitely 1383 01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:03.239 he's eccentric. 1384 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:07.359 He literally has albums called Shut Up and Play Your Guitar, 1385 01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:11.079 and it's there's like four or five albums and they're 1386 01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:15.560 literally nothing but guitar solos. It's just it's a band 1387 01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:20.920 and just him just shredding for twenty minutes, I think. 1388 01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:26.800 But like Terry Bosio, he would always somehow find child prodigies. 1389 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:30.119 In my opinion, like Terry Bozio is probably the one 1390 01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:34.600 of the greatest drummers ever and he started with Frank Zappa. 1391 01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:36.920 Steve I started with Frank Zappa. 1392 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.000 Yeah, didn't Crosby Stils and Nash start with him. 1393 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:48.800 One jammed, He jammed with everybody and uh, Frank Zappa 1394 01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:53.439 even had like a beef with John Lennon because you 1395 01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:56.880 could find a little clip of him talking crap. So 1396 01:17:57.039 --> 01:18:00.479 they did like a live show with you go oh 1397 01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:05.039 and John Lennon and Uh Zappa. They played one of 1398 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:12.640 Zappa's songs and then on John Lynn's album he credited 1399 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:16.720 hisself that they wrote the song and he changed the 1400 01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:22.720 title and everything, so they had like bad blood. Well 1401 01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:26.279 he just yeh frienk. Zappa was kind of outspoken. He 1402 01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:28.680 would just kind of like if you did something like that, 1403 01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:29.960 he would just call you out on it. 1404 01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:33.000 Yeah, He's like, who this who's this fucking Tavistock puke 1405 01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:35.239 coming out? Right? 1406 01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:35.800 Yeah? 1407 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:39.800 I was gonna say because the Beatles were at some 1408 01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:42.119 point hanging out with them, weren't they. 1409 01:18:42.439 --> 01:18:46.319 Yeah, there was some overlap there. I know Lennon was 1410 01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:51.479 there quite often. There was even there's Harry Nilsen right, yep, 1411 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:55.319 befriended the Beatles and was there's some suspicious stuff that 1412 01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:56.920 went on with that guy and at his. 1413 01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.760 House one hundred. Wasn't that who mamma as was hanging 1414 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.600 out with when she choked on the ham sandwich? I 1415 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:06.680 think she did quote unquote she choked on a ham sandwich. 1416 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:10.439 Yeah, Well, Mama Cass and then we're supposed to be 1417 01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:13.039 going over to the titehouse to have a party that night. 1418 01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:17.880 Like that was right, and that's why Steve McQueen supposedly 1419 01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:20.439 went by and got the drugs from the house before 1420 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:21.399 the police got there. 1421 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:25.560 There is Lisa, Were you gonna screen misterang just kidding? 1422 01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:26.720 No? 1423 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:28.279 No, no, I was. 1424 01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.560 I think I was going to say something about something else. Oh, 1425 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:32.880 I was going to make a joke because you were 1426 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:34.920 saying bad blood. I was like Taylor Swift bad blood. 1427 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:37.720 It was a bad joke. 1428 01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:41.520 No, it's a good joke. I like it. I appreciate it. 1429 01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:45.920 And isn't it. Did her Man win the Super Bowl? 1430 01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:46.520 No? 1431 01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.439 No, no he did not. He did not want but 1432 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.479 he did look on movie stars anyway. 1433 01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:52.279 Yeah, I saw that. 1434 01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:52.960 I saw that. 1435 01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:58.359 I was gonna say. Somebody posted something about Yoko Ono 1436 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:02.199 a comment. Oh she was a psychopath. I actually do 1437 01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:05.000 believe that. Have you ever heard this story of like 1438 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:08.359 what John Lennon like what made him fall in love 1439 01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:11.000 with her? Have you guys heard this bullshit as story? 1440 01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:15.840 Oh guys, it's like mk Algar, you saw sees a 1441 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:19.960 sign and says yes or something? Right, Yeah, I watch the. 1442 01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:23.760 Building, right he goes to like an art exhibit and 1443 01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:27.359 all this stuff is like really dark and really like macabre, 1444 01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:30.239 and there's like an art piece where you have to 1445 01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:32.439 climb a ladder and go all the way to the 1446 01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:35.119 top of the ladder to see what the art piece is. 1447 01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:36.880 And he thought he was going to get to the 1448 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:38.760 top and it was going to say suck my dick 1449 01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:41.520 or something like that, but instead it said something really 1450 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:44.159 beautiful and positive, and he was like, I need to 1451 01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.680 meet the person who made this, and it was Yoko's 1452 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:49.239 bitch ass, and I guess they just fell in love 1453 01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:51.720 after that. But this is why I say I think 1454 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.600 a lot of this stuff is actually made up. I'm 1455 01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:58.119 I'm almost ninety nine point nine percent certain that John 1456 01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:01.920 is trans at this point because he's he's like John 1457 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:05.359 didn'verg He's small and dainty, kind of feminine. 1458 01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:06.600 I don't know. 1459 01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:08.520 There's a lot of people out there who say all 1460 01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:08.920 of them. 1461 01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:10.279 Are they're all training. 1462 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:11.640 I can't like every s. 1463 01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:14.520 We'll never say George is a training. 1464 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:15.760 I love George. 1465 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.199 George is the best beetle. 1466 01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:22.039 Yeah, I don't know. I think there's inversion that goes on. 1467 01:21:22.199 --> 01:21:25.359 But at the level of Yoka was trans I. 1468 01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:26.199 Mean I'd buy that way. 1469 01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:30.720 Look at her. Holy shit. I was gonna say something 1470 01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:33.199 before that though. Oh. I think my favorite out of 1471 01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:35.479 the Laurel Canyon is the mom's in the Papas. I 1472 01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:38.960 don't know if if Janice is the honorable mention? Is 1473 01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:46.279 she Laurel Canyon? Oh yeah, she living really okay? Okay? 1474 01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:49.439 Oh yeah, she even died in a hotel that it 1475 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:51.119 was like right there in Laurel Kenyon. 1476 01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:52.560 Is she twenty seven Clubs? 1477 01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:53.600 Yeah? 1478 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:58.319 Okay, So she supposedly died from this. She had the 1479 01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:02.239 same heroine that suppose Jim Morrison died. They had the 1480 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:07.079 same heroin dealer who was the same dealer for the Stones, 1481 01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:10.239 and that dealer ended up dying from his own stuff. 1482 01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:15.359 He was like a French like related to French royalty, 1483 01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:18.560 and he had like connections to Morocco and everything. 1484 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:21.560 And he was like shipping stuff all over I think 1485 01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:22.960 she killed herself though. 1486 01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:24.199 Sorry, I'm supposedly too. 1487 01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:27.319 I don't think I think there was a lot of 1488 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:32.560 I think heroin was becoming a thing right after the as. 1489 01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:37.079 I think she was addicted to it in my opinion, 1490 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:43.520 but like accidental overdose though, yeah, because his stuff was 1491 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:46.520 supposedly so strong that he even. 1492 01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:49.199 Died from it, right, But they put her down as 1493 01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:54.119 like a suicide. And I don't think she killed herself, no, Janet, Yeah, 1494 01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.720 I don't think Janice killed herself because she was about 1495 01:22:56.760 --> 01:22:58.239 to get married. She was so happy. 1496 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:01.800 I could see her accidentally doing it. 1497 01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:07.159 Maybe yes, maybe accidentally, or maybe because she's part of 1498 01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:10.000 the twenty seventh Club, like she had it was her 1499 01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:12.159 time to go, and they fucking set it up to 1500 01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:12.479 make it. 1501 01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:13.439 Look like well. 1502 01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:16.920 There was also blind Now Wilson who was a part 1503 01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:20.520 of Yeah, he who was also the twenty seven Club, 1504 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:22.960 who's directly tied into Laurel kN. 1505 01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:26.039 I mentioned that with William Ramsey if you go on 1506 01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.000 the blog. I don't know if we could do a 1507 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.319 share screen or something, but there's this whole Laurel Kenyon 1508 01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:36.760 death list that he lists off the blog and blind 1509 01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:40.239 Out Wilson is on there, Janie is on there, Jimmy 1510 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:42.880 Hendrix is on there. I mean they're all there. But 1511 01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:45.159 it's like, it's just odd to me how many get 1512 01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:49.560 ruled a suicide when the circumstances around the quote unquote 1513 01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:54.119 suicide are just so suspicious. It's like there's no way, 1514 01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:57.680 these are all fucking suicides. Like, you're not convincing me 1515 01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.239 of that, no way. 1516 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.439 One thing that I thought of when you were saying 1517 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:06.760 twenty seven club. I mean you hear twenty seven club 1518 01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:09.439 over and over and over, right, But you know what, 1519 01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:13.079 people haven't talked about people who die at seventy two? 1520 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:14.960 Seventy two? 1521 01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.920 Yeah, because twenty so maybe that long out of the 1522 01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:22.560 Laurel Canyon. John Wayne was seventy two, and so is 1523 01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:26.479 Frank Sinatra ew Old Blue Eyes. 1524 01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:28.640 I was gonna say louied, but I think he was 1525 01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:32.319 seventy one. Well, I always liked the ones that died 1526 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:34.560 either twenty six or twenty eight because it's like, uh, 1527 01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:35.720 you almost had it. 1528 01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:39.000 I think anybody who dies in their twenties, well, I 1529 01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:40.680 mean you could do Phoenix. 1530 01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:43.439 There's a lot of It's like twenty six to thirty 1531 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:45.960 two is the one where it's basically all of them, 1532 01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:46.960 like how old? 1533 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:48.720 What wasn't Kurt thirty three? 1534 01:24:49.359 --> 01:24:50.399 Who Kurt Kobe? 1535 01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:52.520 Oh he's twenty seven, he was twenty semi club? 1536 01:24:52.600 --> 01:24:53.119 Oh my god? 1537 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:56.199 See, and uh, what's your name? 1538 01:24:56.319 --> 01:25:02.039 Amy Winehouse? Yeah, Brandon Jones kind of kicked it off 1539 01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:05.439 because they do say that what's the guy's name. Oh, 1540 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:07.680 I used to love him, did the he had the 1541 01:25:07.720 --> 01:25:10.239 Crossroads legend. He was a blues guitarist. 1542 01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:11.960 Oh is Robert Johnson? 1543 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:13.479 Yeah, Robert Johnsonson. 1544 01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.119 It was twenty seven, wasn't he the O G twenty 1545 01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:18.399 seventh club though, that's why they put it in O Brother, 1546 01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:20.640 We're arty. I sold my soul to the devil. 1547 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.880 Yeah, he was supposed like the first one. Yeah, mm hmmm. 1548 01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:26.119 He taught me how to play this guitar reel. 1549 01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:28.239 I read a book a while back that kind of 1550 01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:31.600 tied some old classical little European musicians into it too. 1551 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:33.319 There's a number. 1552 01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:38.760 Really what I mean? I guess do you think it's real? 1553 01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:39.039 Though? 1554 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:40.960 It's the real as we wanted to be. 1555 01:25:41.159 --> 01:25:45.439 How old was Selena? She was young, twenty two. 1556 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.159 I think I think it's like Amy Winehouse is a 1557 01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:48.720 part of it. 1558 01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:54.239 Midsomar all the elders die at seventy two. That's interesting. 1559 01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:57.479 Over there, con cocted some ship. 1560 01:25:58.319 --> 01:25:59.680 I was sorry. I was like, I found that. I 1561 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.000 found the definitely oh cool. 1562 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:02.359 Yeah. 1563 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:04.640 So if you look on there, Nick, I don't know 1564 01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:07.399 if you can share screen or not, but there are 1565 01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:10.039 so many deaths that get ruled a suicide out of 1566 01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:13.399 the canyon, and a lot of them have like real 1567 01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:20.960 weird like circumstances around the suicide. Like do you did 1568 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:23.479 you listen to that episode I did with William Ramsey? 1569 01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:25.279 Do you know what I'm talking about? 1570 01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:25.479 Right? 1571 01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:27.720 Like it's like, oh, it was ruled the suicide, but. 1572 01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:33.760 Well, yeah, one of their lot, the Brothers band, one 1573 01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:36.319 of the guys gotten a wipeout and his motorcycle at 1574 01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:38.479 an intersection, and then it was like almost a year 1575 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:41.520 I think it was almost a year later they the 1576 01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:43.439 other guy did it too, and they said his was 1577 01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:47.760 a suicide, right, see what I mean, like her purpose 1578 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:49.920 because he was so depressed about his bandmate dying. 1579 01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:51.520 You know what I think, if. 1580 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.000 They're gonna rule some of these suicides would have been 1581 01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:57.079 an interesting one with Mama cass As. She killed herself 1582 01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:00.960 on a ham sand which just to like humiliate because 1583 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:02.760 they always made fun of how fat she was. 1584 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:05.000 Oh she lost all the weight by then. 1585 01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:08.119 I wonder, you know, how like they had a scribbled 1586 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:15.079 pig on Sharon Tates thing the whole ham pork old. 1587 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:17.560 Shoes, especially because she was supposed to be there that night. 1588 01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:21.479 Oh my god, you think that's what I thought. 1589 01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:23.800 Oh, that is so crazy. 1590 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:29.359 You left out Piggy. We'll get you at the ham sandwich. 1591 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:33.399 Well, there's there's a cure. 1592 01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:36.199 Was black and honey baked for sure. 1593 01:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.880 There's speculation that it doesn't say pig, that it says pick, 1594 01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:43.920 as in Pick Dawson, who was supposed to be one 1595 01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:44.840 of the drug dealers. 1596 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:49.359 Mmm. I like the pig better because it makes Mama 1597 01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:54.239 Cassa's ham sandwich makes more sense. But I also think 1598 01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:57.680 that they just put a sacrificial pig. All right, Terresa, 1599 01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:00.560 she's on one Where. 1600 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:01.039 The fuck are you? 1601 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:05.039 By the way, she's in the commons section. 1602 01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:07.000 But she can't drill up, I know. 1603 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.920 But there was a story about Mama cass where it 1604 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:16.119 was like they met her because she was like working 1605 01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:20.359 at a bar or something, and like you know the 1606 01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:22.279 story I always tell she got like bonked on the 1607 01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:24.079 head by a pipe and then all of a sudden 1608 01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:27.760 she could just start singing real good and they But 1609 01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:30.560 the real story is they grew up with her on 1610 01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:34.119 a military base. They were friends with her from childhood. 1611 01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:37.000 Nick Morrison was in her kindergarten class. 1612 01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:42.119 So the whole pipe and getting balked and but it's 1613 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:45.439 like I said that, it's not like they're talentless, like. 1614 01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:48.239 They know, they wouldn't pick talentless people. 1615 01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:50.840 That Bob Dylan got in like a motorcycle or a 1616 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:54.079 car accident, and he claimed that his voice got was 1617 01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:56.239 better after the car accident. 1618 01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:58.159 Or well they could only improve Oh god, I was 1619 01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:00.720 going to say, was that be improved? And I'm above 1620 01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:02.960 sh I'm a Bob Dylan fan. I think the guy 1621 01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:04.000 can sing when he wants to. 1622 01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:07.600 Did you hear him in that Michael Jackson song We 1623 01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:08.720 Are the World? 1624 01:29:11.439 --> 01:29:12.439 I don't know. 1625 01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:15.079 I don't think he's that. I think he can write 1626 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:16.079 very well, but. 1627 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:18.760 Listen to his country stuff. He can sing? 1628 01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:21.520 Was it before or after the accident? 1629 01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:22.720 I didn't even know about that? 1630 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:26.760 Was he Laurel Canyon? 1631 01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:29.600 I mean, my grandpa always used to make fun of 1632 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:33.199 him because he thought he couldn't sing, ever, and used 1633 01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:35.920 to laugh that he used to claim that after the 1634 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.520 accident that he could sing better, And my grandpa would 1635 01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:42.079 always make fun of Bob Dylan being able to sing 1636 01:29:42.199 --> 01:29:43.119 after the accident. 1637 01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:49.560 I mean, I guess, I guess he can technically sing, 1638 01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:53.159 but I mean it's it's not great. I'll say that 1639 01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:57.640 it's not great. There was another Laurel Canyon scene though, 1640 01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.800 going around on the around this same time, though in 1641 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:04.199 Memphis and Nashville, though, wasn't there in the sixties. 1642 01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:05.920 I've never looked into it that I know. 1643 01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:09.319 Sean mccantucks, Yeah, Sean and I talked about it a 1644 01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:11.239 little bit. But that's where you get like a lot 1645 01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:14.640 of like the big country stars, and it was really 1646 01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:18.279 like very Laurel canyonesque. How they all kind of came 1647 01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:23.399 out together. And I think the Birds actually tried to 1648 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:27.920 play at somewhere in Nashville and they got like boot 1649 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:30.520 off the stage. And there was like this whole thing 1650 01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:34.399 where it was trying to turn the hippie culture against 1651 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:38.680 the country culture and like create division because you know, 1652 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:42.159 at that time they were calling them long hairs and 1653 01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:44.720 shit like that, and the country scene was like straight 1654 01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:48.159 laced and clean cut, and it was like hippies are 1655 01:30:48.199 --> 01:30:52.800 trying to infiltrate, and like the whole country scene versus 1656 01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:55.159 the hip scene was like divide and conquered. 1657 01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:58.399 Neil Young and Leonard Skinner too, Remember the end of 1658 01:30:58.520 --> 01:30:59.239 Easy Rider. 1659 01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:04.039 Yeah, they're riding through the South and they. 1660 01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:06.880 Lucases look alike picks him off with the shot. 1661 01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:12.039 A bunch of hippies, right, So, I mean I think 1662 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:15.359 that it was kind of like I think Nick asked earlier, 1663 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:18.119 what do you think that they were trying to accomplish 1664 01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:20.439 with this? And I think they had so many games 1665 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:24.319 running on people at the same time, like country music scene, 1666 01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:29.079 hippie culture, and like the serial killers started popping up 1667 01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:30.920 out of nowhere. It was just such a time to 1668 01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.319 be alive. I'm surprised anybody fucking made. 1669 01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:36.479 It out a little bit before the hippie scene. Was 1670 01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:37.600 the beat nick scene? 1671 01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:42.359 Yeah? She mentioned Los Alamos earlier. Who was it? 1672 01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:42.800 You said? 1673 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:44.680 One of the beat Knicks came out of there? 1674 01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:45.680 Was it? 1675 01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:46.359 Burrows? 1676 01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:47.520 It was? 1677 01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:48.359 What again? 1678 01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:49.840 Maybe william S Burrow's. 1679 01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:53.119 Burrows was also big into occultism. 1680 01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:55.800 Yeah, you have too. 1681 01:31:56.960 --> 01:32:00.760 Yeah. Burrows was famous for chaos matt and stuff, and 1682 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:06.199 he had a method of writing where he and David 1683 01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:10.319 Bowie used this to actually create his lyrics, where you 1684 01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:14.640 basically cut random words out and you just place him 1685 01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:20.359 and the chaos basically is what creates the lyrics. And 1686 01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:24.319 there's a whole video of David Bowie demonstrating how he 1687 01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:26.000 does it and how you do it, and how he 1688 01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:27.720 got it from WILLIAMS. Burrows. 1689 01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.319 What should me? 1690 01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:33.760 No, no, no, no, I'll get you the name of 1691 01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:35.359 it here. I can't remember the name of it. 1692 01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:36.800 He sent it to me and I watched that. 1693 01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:39.880 Actually they had and it was I think it was 1694 01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:43.800 an old boys school initially, if not in its entirety, 1695 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.319 but they had something and it was like ages twelve 1696 01:32:46.359 --> 01:32:49.239 to eighteen or something, but they had something kind of 1697 01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:52.880 like akin to the Boy Scouts, and that when you 1698 01:32:53.039 --> 01:32:56.359 graduated from high school you would basically obtain first rank 1699 01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:59.680 in the Boy Scouts, or it was a requirement to 1700 01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:03.800 graduate to have a rank in the Boy Scouts at 1701 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:07.399 this school in Los Alamos. But yeah, it was Roy Chapman, 1702 01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:12.680 who basically was CEO of American Motor Corporation, Stirling Colegate, 1703 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:16.640 which you know, we know that is William S. Burrows 1704 01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:20.359 Bill Veeck, which was the owner of the Chicago White Sox. 1705 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:25.199 He also had Gorbadal, who was grandson of Senator Thomas Gore. 1706 01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:33.600 Arthur Robertses for saying like Colegate as in. 1707 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:42.359 Toothpaste, like a folder like Abigail Folger. 1708 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:46.000 So the toothpaste guy. 1709 01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:53.199 He was one of the family members nothing the Colgate 1710 01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:53.560 but he. 1711 01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:56.720 Got I swear to god, there's an episode of Ghost 1712 01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:01.319 Adventures about him. There we go shitting what were. 1713 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:04.720 They So it came out I think when they were 1714 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:08.000 doing an expose a on what was the name of 1715 01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:14.920 Susan Jiski from YouTube or something. This YouTube video is 1716 01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:19.880 gonna get cut for sure. Her Anne Woujiske, who is 1717 01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:22.600 the owner or the developer of twenty three a meters, 1718 01:34:22.960 --> 01:34:27.920 was the ex wife of serge A Brinn, who was 1719 01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:30.520 the guy who invented a Google. Okay, well, they were 1720 01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:34.199 talking about Anne and Susan's mom or grandmother, that she 1721 01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:36.479 was kind of like the mom to all of these 1722 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:40.159 people in big tech, and that you could basically link 1723 01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:44.920 back all the founders of big tech type things, whether 1724 01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:48.039 you know, name it, they had a connection to their mom, 1725 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:51.680 and that all of them, somehow or another exposed their 1726 01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:56.079 children to some sort of mk ultra program because they themselves, 1727 01:34:56.399 --> 01:34:59.720 as mothers or whatever were exposed as well. And so 1728 01:34:59.880 --> 01:35:02.760 got I mean thinking, if this happened with big tech, 1729 01:35:03.039 --> 01:35:07.079 surely this happened with the musician cub celebrities, or the 1730 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:11.960 movie celebrities, or even with the military. And I think 1731 01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:15.720 this is just a continuation of this is what's happening, 1732 01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:17.960 this is what's in our family. So I don't think 1733 01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:20.920 it's far fetched at all to think that these children 1734 01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:24.640 were exposed or brought up within that same framework. 1735 01:35:25.479 --> 01:35:27.800 Yeah, I mean I find it over and over again, 1736 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:31.359 even the episode we just did Lisa about Adolfo, Like, 1737 01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:35.239 is it's generational for sure? I mean that will come 1738 01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:37.840 out of the fucking woodwork, like they'd make you believe, 1739 01:35:37.960 --> 01:35:41.000 and you know they're just you know, crazy people that 1740 01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:43.840 came out of nowhere. But I mean that, So we 1741 01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:48.199 got the toothpaste guy and the guy and somehow David 1742 01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:53.880 Bowen learned after somebody burrows Jesus correct. 1743 01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:58.399 And the technique that Williams burrows. It's called the cut 1744 01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:03.960 up technique and it's like a chaos magic technique and 1745 01:36:04.239 --> 01:36:08.439 David Bowie almost exclusively used it in the seventies for 1746 01:36:08.600 --> 01:36:09.199 his lyrics. 1747 01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:12.439 So that what's that one song that he is just 1748 01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:14.760 like completely while all of his songs are. 1749 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:20.760 But so he would like take his diary or like 1750 01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:24.960 his like future thoughts, and then he would just randomly 1751 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:28.880 cut the words out from that and then he said 1752 01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:31.319 that like it would like tell his future and all 1753 01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:32.399 kinds of stuff. 1754 01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:37.239 Is there life on Mars. I never did understand that motherfucker. 1755 01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:41.119 But it's still like, what were you saying about David 1756 01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:43.560 Bowie the other day, Like he didn't believe in whatever, 1757 01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:47.399 Like he sold an image to people that he did. 1758 01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:50.159 Oh yeah, I mean he kind of had some stuff 1759 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:51.840 he was saying at the end of his life where 1760 01:36:52.680 --> 01:36:55.840 he's so it reminds me of Kurt Cobain. He was 1761 01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:59.479 so willing to make it and get famous that he 1762 01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.760 embraced all of the dark shit. And I think he 1763 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:06.600 kind of had a you know, I regret later in 1764 01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:09.680 life because he said some things and I can't think 1765 01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:11.560 of exactly what it was, just that he was kind 1766 01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:15.840 of sorry that he did. But yeah, Bowie and Burrows. 1767 01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:18.279 Some of the stuff you're just saying. It reminds me 1768 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:21.119 of Rick Rubin, like some of his techniques that he'll 1769 01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:26.159 use in recording studios. Right, he's a I mean, if 1770 01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:29.119 you can name like somebody famous out of the last 1771 01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.119 forty years, he probably had a hand in it. 1772 01:37:31.399 --> 01:37:32.199 He writes songs. 1773 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.399 No, he's he's a bolster Stanford. But he now has 1774 01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:39.520 a podcast, right, what is it Tetragramaton or something? 1775 01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:39.720 Like that. 1776 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:44.800 Oh I've never heard yeah, yeah, yeah, I have never. 1777 01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:50.439 William S Burrows would record messages and words, right, he 1778 01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:54.159 would just record gibberish and random words and everything, and 1779 01:37:54.319 --> 01:37:57.239 then he would cut the field and then put it 1780 01:37:57.359 --> 01:38:03.560 together and then the random words wouldn't mean something. That's 1781 01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:07.720 where it comes from. So that's where Rick Rubin is 1782 01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:12.000 hitting that. He's like he would he cuts, like he'll 1783 01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:15.279 just record random stuff and then they'll they'll cut parts 1784 01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:17.600 of that out and then place it and make a 1785 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:19.199 whole song out of randomness. 1786 01:38:19.319 --> 01:38:23.840 Basically, No, I mean it makes sense to me. Like 1787 01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:27.479 I said before, is their life on Mars. I fucking 1788 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:31.439 love that song, but it makes zero sense you know 1789 01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:32.319 what I'm talking about. 1790 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:37.680 I mean, watch the video on it's on YouTube, David 1791 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:40.399 Bowie talking about cut up technique. It's literally like a 1792 01:38:40.520 --> 01:38:44.199 minute a minute long, and you can see there's like 1793 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:46.880 lines of coke on the table and everything while he's 1794 01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:47.720 talking about it. 1795 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.479 Well, what do you think about them saying stuff about 1796 01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:55.319 like and this could be all made up? But they 1797 01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:58.840 take like the master and they do these rituals on 1798 01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:02.079 it and they as produce it. So anytime you listen 1799 01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:06.640 to it, you're getting demonized, and do you guys think 1800 01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:09.359 that there's something to that or like, what what are 1801 01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:10.000 your thoughts? 1802 01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:14.800 I think so I have heard that supposedly sometimes these 1803 01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:18.560 records even get pressed depending on astrological times. 1804 01:39:19.239 --> 01:39:21.840 Right, okay, so you do think like because I can't 1805 01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:23.760 remember who it was, but it was like a guy 1806 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:26.920 who said they would take like the master and they 1807 01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:29.079 would take it into like a secret room and they 1808 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:34.199 would have like a literal ritual and they would infuse 1809 01:39:34.319 --> 01:39:37.079 it with I don't know, I mean, you've heard this right. 1810 01:39:39.720 --> 01:39:42.800 Enough to ever really I had the video said, I'll 1811 01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:43.960 give you the name of the guy. 1812 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:47.760 Oh you know what I'm talking about specifically, Okay. 1813 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:50.840 One thing that I I all right, I'll put it 1814 01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:53.439 this way. I would not doubt that happens with music 1815 01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:56.960 because of just the simple fact Lon Milo Duquette comes 1816 01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:58.560 out and emits I'm pretty sure in his book, are 1817 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:01.239 on a podcast that he did that with this tarot deck. 1818 01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:06.039 It's sell more tarot. That dude's doing it. Why wouldn't 1819 01:40:06.039 --> 01:40:07.399 the people be doing it with other products? 1820 01:40:09.039 --> 01:40:11.680 Right? Or like if you I think it's like if 1821 01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:16.720 you play them backwards or something, there's like hidden messages. 1822 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:19.800 Oh yeah, that's a whole other thing. Like I know 1823 01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:25.600 the Beatles were experimenting with that. Apparently there's some indication 1824 01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:27.479 that they admit that Paul died. 1825 01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:30.600 God they need to admit it. 1826 01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:33.760 I don't know. There's the whole Stairway to Heaven thing 1827 01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:38.079 where if you play spring Clean for the may Queen backwards, 1828 01:40:38.119 --> 01:40:42.520 it's something about my sweet Satan, Oh, for God's sake. 1829 01:40:42.600 --> 01:40:44.159 I think a lot of that stuff you could just 1830 01:40:44.319 --> 01:40:46.880 kind of happen upon. But I mean they were doing 1831 01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:47.720 it well. 1832 01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:51.600 Like Danzick on the on the first album. If like 1833 01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:56.159 the song Possessed, if you play it backwards, it's there's 1834 01:40:56.760 --> 01:41:00.600 a Latin exorcism prayer if you play the record backwards, 1835 01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:05.720 like legit Yeah, the song Possessed, if you play it backwards, 1836 01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:10.159 it's legitimately a Latin exorcism prayer. 1837 01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:14.880 That's crazy, but it actually says words when it's playing. 1838 01:41:14.880 --> 01:41:19.199 It's actually the actual exorcism prayer. Okay, does it sound 1839 01:41:19.239 --> 01:41:24.600 like song is supposed to be like summoning a demon 1840 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:28.840 and if you play it backwards, you're you're doing the 1841 01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:31.640 exorcism prayer. Basic remind me never. 1842 01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:32.800 To download that ship. 1843 01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:35.399 We could go get the viyball, I don't want it. 1844 01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:37.680 So is that misfits or solo stuff? 1845 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:41.439 It's the first album, the one with Mother and Twisted Game. 1846 01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:44.479 Okay, I think you might have that one. 1847 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:50.760 Oh my god, but that that's that song is very 1848 01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:57.199 creepy if you play it backwards, so sounds like it. 1849 01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:02.520 Somebody wrote in the comment that they also watched that. 1850 01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:04.359 I don't know if it was an interview or what 1851 01:42:04.479 --> 01:42:06.920 it was. It was a recording of that producer who 1852 01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:10.359 said they take the master and they put I guess 1853 01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:12.960 they cast spells on it, is what they said in 1854 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:13.680 the comments. 1855 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:16.680 I think I put it up actually earlier. 1856 01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:24.119 Yeah, I heard it on Instagram, so it must be true, right, 1857 01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:32.279 I hear all kinds of stuff on Instagram these days. 1858 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:37.079 So did do you think if this well one? I 1859 01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:39.880 actually do agree with some of these people. I think, 1860 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:42.560 like I wouldn't say act well kind of actors, yeah, 1861 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:46.439 or I think they're put out there. They might actually 1862 01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:50.000 have somewhat talent and they you know, perform, but I 1863 01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:53.640 think sometimes like their life story and how it ended, 1864 01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:55.359 I think could be fabricated. 1865 01:42:56.520 --> 01:42:59.920 Mean too, yeah, because it's like would they be as 1866 01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:02.960 famous as they are if they didn't die in like 1867 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:08.399 some tragic way like Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain. I mean, yeah, 1868 01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:11.159 they might, they might still be famous. Oh would you say, 1869 01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:17.359 Mike Right, It's like would they be who they are 1870 01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:19.640 if they didn't. It's like part of the deal that 1871 01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:22.039 they have to die in this horrible way to like. 1872 01:43:23.640 --> 01:43:25.640 I don't know. When we're talking to John Gusty, who 1873 01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:28.600 she mentioned earlier, he's worked in like on the production 1874 01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:33.159 end of music, and he says that he's witnessed straight 1875 01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:38.520 up that the artist wants to step away and they're 1876 01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:41.920 given some options like we can fake your death, you 1877 01:43:42.119 --> 01:43:44.399 can be replaced by somebody who looks just like you, 1878 01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:48.600 or you know, you die and you don't get any 1879 01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:51.840 of the royalties, but you have to take a different name. Yeah, 1880 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:53.600 And so I don't know. I think like there's some 1881 01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:56.760 interesting ones. I don't think Morgan Freeman was Jimmy Hendrix, 1882 01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:59.600 but one that I like that within the last couple 1883 01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:03.560 of years Morrison becoming Rush Limbaugh. That one's kind of 1884 01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:07.640 fun because if you I mean, I I do think 1885 01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:10.399 that Bill Hicks is Alex Jones. And I laughed at 1886 01:44:10.399 --> 01:44:12.800 people when I first heard that. It's one of those 1887 01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:14.880 that you're like, fuck off, because I love both of them. 1888 01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:19.239 I did, like right around the early two thousands and 1889 01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:22.199 Bill hicks Man forever. But I do think that they 1890 01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:25.119 do really do stuff like that. So yeah, who knows 1891 01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:28.119 what really happens, and maybe some of them do get 1892 01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:29.640 killed because they don't want to play. 1893 01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:31.720 Well, if you had to put a percentage on it, 1894 01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:33.920 like how many of these people actually die, are you 1895 01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:37.560 going to say like ten percent, fifty percent die and 1896 01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:42.199 fifty percent get repurposed. Sure, so you're saying, so you're 1897 01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:45.560 telling me there's a chance that Janice is still alive. 1898 01:44:46.319 --> 01:44:46.760 Probably not. 1899 01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:49.119 Now, I love Janice, she lived. 1900 01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:54.760 Rough, Yes she that whole like deciding that you're gone 1901 01:44:55.479 --> 01:44:58.640 and you have whatever. I think it plays into the 1902 01:44:58.720 --> 01:45:07.720 whole Plus Ultra Hyperspace never Land persona and you'll you 1903 01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:08.199 all have heard of. 1904 01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:12.840 That right kinda, I mean not really not to the 1905 01:45:13.000 --> 01:45:14.039 degree you probably do. 1906 01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:22.920 You know, like that movie Finding Neverland. Yeah, yeah, and 1907 01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:26.800 it was like leaving this dimension or this realm and 1908 01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:30.199 going to another realm. And that's kind of one of 1909 01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:33.399 the I guess the founding things that there was a 1910 01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:37.560 society called Plus Ultra that Nikola Tesla Walt Disney all 1911 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:40.359 these people belonged to and they believe that once they 1912 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:44.000 were done here, they they merited enough to leave and 1913 01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:49.439 go into another hyperspace. So you think they're they're actually 1914 01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:53.119 it's just a thought kind of like Atlas Rugged almost. 1915 01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:56.640 Yeah, but you think like they're dead or you think 1916 01:45:56.680 --> 01:46:00.600 they're they're repurposed, or like what do you think? 1917 01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:03.279 I think? 1918 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:04.199 I don't know. 1919 01:46:04.359 --> 01:46:07.039 I think it depends. It depends if they can make 1920 01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:10.760 enough money off of them already, just as is, they'll 1921 01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:13.119 they'll kill them off, you know, because they don't need them, 1922 01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:17.800 or if they are some like family blood tie, then 1923 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:20.760 they have an option to kind of get repurposed or 1924 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:24.359 reabsorbed into a different thing. I think it just depends 1925 01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:27.159 money and blood always talk. 1926 01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:30.680 Right, right, because it's like we were saying earlier, like 1927 01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:33.720 with like Crosby and some of these guys whose family 1928 01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:36.279 trees go all the way back to the beginning of time. 1929 01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:38.960 You know, if they were going to fake a suicide 1930 01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:41.319 on him, they'd probably give him the option of like 1931 01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:45.119 just becoming a different person or some shit. But Janis 1932 01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:48.800 was just a drugged out crackhead, and so she you know, 1933 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:51.399 she probably didn't get that luxuries. They probably just killed 1934 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:52.479 her ass I. 1935 01:46:52.520 --> 01:46:55.239 Got a question for you then, Okay, so if they 1936 01:46:55.399 --> 01:46:57.720 just kill it, Yeah, So if they just kill them, 1937 01:46:57.760 --> 01:47:00.760 all right, and then like give them a new identity 1938 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:04.119 or whatever, Right, why not just kill off Paul McCartney, 1939 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:07.880 replace him with a completely new member and make him 1940 01:47:08.079 --> 01:47:12.800 like a complete huge legend instead of, you know, supposedly 1941 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:16.079 replacing him with a lookalike. And he died in a 1942 01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:19.239 car accident everything, why cover up him? But then all 1943 01:47:19.239 --> 01:47:24.199 of a sudden, like uh, James Droplin. 1944 01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:26.359 Before I answered the question, can I ask you if 1945 01:47:26.399 --> 01:47:27.640 you think he was replaced? 1946 01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:29.439 I think he was replaced. 1947 01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:32.800 I think he was replaced too. And to answer your question, 1948 01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:34.000 I have no fucking idea. 1949 01:47:34.119 --> 01:47:37.239 Well, that one is because if I had to think 1950 01:47:37.279 --> 01:47:40.920 about it, you would say, like the Beatles had, there 1951 01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:43.800 was so much stock in them at that point. And 1952 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:48.159 I mean, if they had this bizarre accident where it 1953 01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:50.720 wasn't you know, it wasn't anything they planned and they 1954 01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:53.800 wanted to keep that gravy train rolling, And if they 1955 01:47:53.880 --> 01:47:56.199 really did replace him with I think they did. That's 1956 01:47:56.199 --> 01:47:58.640 another one that I kind of scoffed at in the beginning. Now, 1957 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:00.800 I mean, shit, the guy's like just taller. 1958 01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:03.319 He's taller, and he's a way better musician. 1959 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:05.880 Well that's the thing is they found somebody who actually 1960 01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:10.600 was the best musician in the band all said and done. So, 1961 01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:12.680 I mean, you listened to some of the Beatles' early 1962 01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:17.359 stuff and Paul McCartney's baselines are okay, and he went 1963 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:20.479 he went from being the smiley, bubbly one you know 1964 01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:23.800 him and Ringo up there, and he completely changed. He 1965 01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:26.960 doesn't look the same. But yeah, I think that each 1966 01:48:27.319 --> 01:48:30.640 situation would be unique. Like if they're the one who 1967 01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:33.479 choose to do the replacing and killing, it seems like 1968 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:35.319 that one was just kind of out of their control. 1969 01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:40.119 Well like for like Morrison, right, so for your argument, 1970 01:48:40.439 --> 01:48:43.600 like nobody ever saw his body, right, nobody of the 1971 01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:47.760 band members, nobody ever technically saw his body. And some 1972 01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:50.039 of the band members even found that kind of odd, 1973 01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:53.800 like I can't. I think it was the keyboard player. 1974 01:48:55.039 --> 01:48:58.760 I think he was like, well, how do I know 1975 01:48:59.079 --> 01:49:01.319 he really died? We haven't even seen him. 1976 01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:05.880 Yeah, exactly, And who else was it that they oh, 1977 01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:08.720 like Elvis, They said there was weird stuff about like 1978 01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:15.399 his corpse quote unquote was like melting in the casket 1979 01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:19.359 or some shit like that. Like they were like, since 1980 01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:24.279 Windy dead body sweat, there is just weird stuff, you know, 1981 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:27.319 So I just don't. That was a really good example though, 1982 01:49:27.359 --> 01:49:30.039 like why would they replace Paul McCartney if they could just. 1983 01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:35.760 Like, you know, I think, but if he dies tragically, 1984 01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:39.159 look at how legendary that is, Like, but it makes 1985 01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:41.560 so much better, right, Well. 1986 01:49:41.479 --> 01:49:42.600 They save that for Lennon? 1987 01:49:43.119 --> 01:49:44.279 Yeah, yeah they did. 1988 01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:46.079 They ca there you go, You're right, there you go, 1989 01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:46.800 there you go. 1990 01:49:47.359 --> 01:49:48.920 They gave Georgia cancer death. 1991 01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:52.199 Yeah. I don't know. I think John Lennon could be 1992 01:49:52.279 --> 01:49:53.840 one of those that's not really dead too. 1993 01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:56.520 Ringo wow, because he's a fucking useless asshole. 1994 01:49:57.239 --> 01:49:58.840 He had to be on Thomas the train. 1995 01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:04.840 That was part of his script. 1996 01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:07.720 Lisa, were you going to say something a minute ago 1997 01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:08.279 about this? 1998 01:50:09.279 --> 01:50:09.760 No, I was. 1999 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:12.039 I was going to say something about like it wouldn't 2000 01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:14.439 Isn't it weird? How like with Paul McCartney, he ends 2001 01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:18.159 up owning all this music? What is it like he 2002 01:50:18.319 --> 01:50:22.199 owns all of Frank Sinatra's music, all of the Beatles music. 2003 01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:25.079 He was Michael Jackson. 2004 01:50:25.239 --> 01:50:28.680 Jackson, he was they actually helped falling out over some 2005 01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:29.840 of that stuff, and. 2006 01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:35.159 Apparently that he died shortly after, right. I guess the 2007 01:50:35.319 --> 01:50:38.319 blame was that Michael Jackson had gone bankrupt and that 2008 01:50:38.760 --> 01:50:44.079 Paul had offered to buy his music back or something, 2009 01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:46.479 because I think Paul used to own all of Michael 2010 01:50:46.560 --> 01:50:50.960 Jackson's right, Yeah, I remember that incorrectly. 2011 01:50:51.439 --> 01:50:55.159 Well, Michael Jackson bought some cookoo I think, and he 2012 01:50:55.399 --> 01:50:57.560 ended up having the majority at some point, and I 2013 01:50:57.640 --> 01:50:59.760 know that's when he sold it to the Paliss shoes 2014 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:04.439 commercial and Paul McCartney was like, the song's about revolution, 2015 01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:07.960 it's not about selling shoes. And they you know, they 2016 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:09.960 did a song together. They were supposed to be Buddy 2017 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:12.640 Buddy and then but yeah, near the end of Michael 2018 01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:16.119 Jackson's life, what what he was Apple Music. It was 2019 01:51:16.199 --> 01:51:16.960 one of the big. 2020 01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:23.600 Ones because everybody hates Sony, like even. 2021 01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:31.399 And then he sold it to Apple. Oh, he sold 2022 01:51:31.439 --> 01:51:33.119 the entire catalog to Apple. 2023 01:51:34.319 --> 01:51:36.119 And that's when it became such a big deal that 2024 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:38.920 you could get Beatles on iTunes. I remember when that happened, 2025 01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:40.920 and that has. 2026 01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:43.960 Now happened to Pink Floyd. I believe Google bought Pink 2027 01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:46.159 Floyd or Apple bought Pink Floyd. 2028 01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:53.800 Now they sold their entire name catalog and everything and 2029 01:51:54.319 --> 01:51:57.000 and look alike, so even probably AI and everything. 2030 01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:02.239 Paul McCartney also owns Buddy how Lee's music. 2031 01:52:03.479 --> 01:52:05.920 Oh does he Well that makes a ton of But. 2032 01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:09.079 My whole point is that it's amazing how he comes 2033 01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:12.800 into the situation of owning all of this music. You 2034 01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:14.560 know what I mean if he was like a faux 2035 01:52:14.840 --> 01:52:16.960 member of the band. Well not really because he became 2036 01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:18.680 a better musician, but you know what I mean, Like, 2037 01:52:19.159 --> 01:52:22.880 it's so weird how he somehow positions himself to profit 2038 01:52:23.479 --> 01:52:28.640 off of so much, you know, not being an original member. 2039 01:52:29.319 --> 01:52:33.680 Have you got on the Super Bowl yesterday with Adam Sandler? Yeah, 2040 01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:36.000 he was sitting next to Adam Sandler and they're all 2041 01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:38.239 like pointing to each other and everything. 2042 01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:45.640 Oh my god, what So what was the thing about? Like, uh, 2043 01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:49.159 do you guys know who Jay Widner is. He does 2044 01:52:49.199 --> 01:52:53.800 a lot of stuff about like the Shining and like 2045 01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:55.560 Quebrick and stuff like that. 2046 01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:58.720 Yeah, he's Nick just had writer Leon. They made that 2047 01:52:58.880 --> 01:52:59.960 movie together, right. 2048 01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:05.279 So Jay Whidner has talked extensively about how they replaced Paul, 2049 01:53:06.039 --> 01:53:08.960 and like, I guess if you talk to this new 2050 01:53:09.079 --> 01:53:12.640 Paul about it like he gets all you know, weird 2051 01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:15.760 and shit and like won't even bring it up, won't 2052 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:18.520 discuss it, won't talk about it. I mean, the guy 2053 01:53:19.720 --> 01:53:22.960 I liked the Wings too, you know, and he didn't 2054 01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:26.159 he like write a bunch of music for Ringo and 2055 01:53:26.239 --> 01:53:29.920 shit after they split up. Okay, well, I'm just saying 2056 01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:33.000 he was. Whoever replaced him was a great was a 2057 01:53:33.079 --> 01:53:36.079 really great musician. Yeah, so what he married a chick 2058 01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:36.880 with no legs. 2059 01:53:37.880 --> 01:53:39.960 But I mean, I think he's a cool guy. 2060 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:43.039 I don't know. I always thought there was a real 2061 01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:44.720 darkness to Paul myself. 2062 01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:46.039 He's the Walrus. 2063 01:53:46.399 --> 01:53:48.319 He's I don't think he's a good dude at all. 2064 01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:53.640 Knighted by the Queen of England herself. 2065 01:53:54.640 --> 01:53:57.720 Yeah, that's true. That is true. 2066 01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:03.319 All right. I think I'm gonna probably wrap it up here. Actually, 2067 01:54:03.319 --> 01:54:06.479 if you guys, it's almost close to two hours. Thought 2068 01:54:06.520 --> 01:54:09.680 that was good. Thank you very much, Julian and Colby. 2069 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:12.279 I really appreciate that. Had a really good time, like 2070 01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:16.479 I expected, had a lot of good laughs. Mike Thrash 2071 01:54:16.680 --> 01:54:18.479 appreciate it. Love when you guys are on and I 2072 01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:21.119 knew this was a topic that you'd both be into Lisa, 2073 01:54:21.399 --> 01:54:25.000 thank you very much. As usual, always appreciate your input. 2074 01:54:26.079 --> 01:54:28.720 Kolby will go with you. First. Let everybody know where 2075 01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:29.920 they can find your amazing stuff. 2076 01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:35.439 Please, Conspiracy, play time and disinformation. You can find those 2077 01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:38.279 where you find them pretty much everywhere, with the first 2078 01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:42.279 one second ones harder to find, but we do do 2079 01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:44.399 that one more often, and it's more of like political 2080 01:54:44.479 --> 01:54:47.640 satire shit talking. It's it's you know, we do sprinkle 2081 01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:51.199 conspiracy in there because it's Dusty and I and Julie 2082 01:54:51.199 --> 01:54:52.720 and I are going to be doing a show together. 2083 01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:55.960 I'd say next month or two we'll start seeing the 2084 01:54:56.079 --> 01:54:59.760 kill room where we're gonna talk about, probably stuff we 2085 01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:02.239 don't really talk about on our own shows, but where 2086 01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:05.640 we kind of we we we agree about a lot, 2087 01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:06.680 but we disagree about it. 2088 01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:08.079 We disagree a lot. 2089 01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:10.119 Not to kill each other doing it. 2090 01:55:11.199 --> 01:55:14.199 I have a sharpened blade to his throat. Say what 2091 01:55:14.359 --> 01:55:14.800 I think? 2092 01:55:16.920 --> 01:55:19.199 That's great, Say what I think? 2093 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:28.279 And you, Julia, Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcast 2094 01:55:28.399 --> 01:55:32.239 Cosmic Peach and I'm also on the Cult of Conspiracy 2095 01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:33.880 podcast every Saturday. 2096 01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:36.960 Very nice. How does that work? Is it just you 2097 01:55:37.079 --> 01:55:38.760 and you and them or just just you? 2098 01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:39.840 No, it's just me. 2099 01:55:40.680 --> 01:55:43.880 It's just one day a week that they let me 2100 01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:46.880 post a show about whatever it is that I'm interested 2101 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:50.279 in at the time. I do like some mini series 2102 01:55:50.479 --> 01:55:53.399 for them, and Kolby was on the last one that 2103 01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:56.039 I did. It's called Blood Ties and it's about some 2104 01:55:56.279 --> 01:56:00.359 program to kill stuff and he drops his amazing Jack 2105 01:56:00.479 --> 01:56:04.199 Nicholson ted Bundy theory in that in that show. 2106 01:56:04.279 --> 01:56:06.479 But most people think it's bullshit, but I don't care. 2107 01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:09.560 It's all right, honey. You can believe whatever you want 2108 01:56:09.640 --> 01:56:14.319 to believe. But yeah, so you can find me on 2109 01:56:14.399 --> 01:56:19.279 the Cult of Conspiracy every Saturday or Apple wherever, Spotify 2110 01:56:19.680 --> 01:56:23.039 for Cosmic Peach for my normal stuff. But thank you 2111 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:25.399 for having me again, of course. 2112 01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:27.399 No, that was great chat. Loved it as usual, and 2113 01:56:27.439 --> 01:56:28.880 that was a great talk. A lot of good things, 2114 01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:33.520 you know, talked about a lot of interesting people. Uh yeah, 2115 01:56:33.840 --> 01:56:36.000 and that is the end of another Occult Rejects again, 2116 01:56:36.079 --> 01:56:39.760 thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's up. There 2117 01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:41.359 was awesome. There's a lot of people here, a lot 2118 01:56:41.399 --> 01:56:44.640 of good stuff said, had a good time and until 2119 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:46.920 the next one, everybody be well later. 2120 01:57:00.159 --> 01:57:01.680 All of these are crimes. 2121 01:57:02.159 --> 01:57:07.760 Spy Ray and Sky spreading anyone else borrow 2122 01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:23.479 Very sh