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Speaker 6: Great, welcome to the occult rejects. This episode, I got
Speaker 6: the occult reject mad scientist Lisa joining me. I got Mike,
Speaker 6: and I got my boy Thrash. And tonight very special guests. Uh,
Speaker 6: you know one hasn't been on in a while. We
Speaker 6: got my man Colby back. It's been a hot minute.
Speaker 6: I always love having them on. Always had good chats,
Speaker 6: always had a lot of laughs. And back by popular demand,
Speaker 6: we got Julia joining us again tonight cosmic peach and
Speaker 6: tonight we will be talking about a topic that interests
Speaker 6: all of us here very much, Laurel Canyon, Real quick,
Speaker 6: I guess Mike and Thrash you don't even actually have
Speaker 6: anything to plug my bed? All right, so Colby, we'll
Speaker 6: go with you real quick. Kobey, you want to let
Speaker 6: everybody know like what you do and everything, like where
Speaker 6: they can find some of your stuff.
Speaker 2: Sure, I do Conspiracy play Time, which is pretty sporadic
Speaker 2: these days. That's anywhere You're lucky if you can find
Speaker 2: it on YouTube sometimes. But Disinfobation is the weekly shit
Speaker 2: talking show I'd do with my buddy Dusty, and that
Speaker 2: one's bi weekly, and that one you can find everywhere
Speaker 2: but Apple and YouTube.
Speaker 6: Awesome. And I think I have your website and in
Speaker 6: the description already. That's good enough. Oh I need to
Speaker 6: update this, Okay, I'll let the other links in if
Speaker 6: you want after the show. And Julia, just in case
Speaker 6: people here joining us don't happen to know who you
Speaker 6: are yet, can you please let everybody know what your
Speaker 6: deal is?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I'm becoming better known on your show, just
Speaker 3: for how many f bombs I drop every couple of words.
Speaker 3: But I'm Julia fucking Cosmic Beach, and I'm everywhere besides
Speaker 3: fucking YouTube. And I'm really happy to be here tonight
Speaker 3: talking about the Laurel Canyon because, like you said, it's
Speaker 3: one of my favorite topics by far, and Colby's as well,
Speaker 3: and I can't wait to get into it.
Speaker 2: Do you monetize on YouTube? Because she just really screwed
Speaker 2: that up for you. Sorry, they have like a ten
Speaker 2: minute rule or something. What everyntes no, like the first
Speaker 2: ten minutes any profanity you get demounted.
Speaker 6: Oh, I have no idea. I'm sure I've screwed that
Speaker 6: up myself already.
Speaker 3: My fucking bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, we're good, We're good. I'm not really worried
Speaker 6: about YouTube anyway. So if it happens, it happens. Uh,
Speaker 6: you know what, we'll go around the well, we'll go
Speaker 6: with you. Colby, What was it that got you like
Speaker 6: really into a Laurel Kenyon because I know you've been
Speaker 6: into that for a long time as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was kind of like the revitalization
Speaker 2: of like psyop conspiracy theory for me. I was really
Speaker 2: into that when I was younger, And I remember I
Speaker 2: was picking up a friend in Portland and he had
Speaker 2: just seen Dave Matthews live at the Gorge and he
Speaker 2: was on acid, and he told me a story about
Speaker 2: how bad his trip was because he just realized that
Speaker 2: he was at like a cult ritual and Dave was
Speaker 2: leading it and he wasn't even a Dave Matthews man,
Speaker 2: but he said the whole time he just felt like
Speaker 2: he's witnessing sacrifices and stuff. And then I heard Jaye
Speaker 2: Dyer like that year talking about this book that McGowan wrote,
Speaker 2: Weird Scenes, and I read that with that story in mind,
Speaker 2: and just like how these performers were casting spells and
Speaker 2: then he just lays it all out for you, like
Speaker 2: the structure of the whole thing and how they pulled
Speaker 2: it off. And I mean it was very sloppy in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, so so many decades later it
Speaker 2: was easy to kind of piece it all together. So
Speaker 2: I like conspiracy theories that blow your mind but are
Speaker 2: also like traceable and you can actually tie it all together,
Speaker 2: do research on top of other people's research, and I
Speaker 2: mean Julie has done a good job of that.
Speaker 3: But we both loved the music too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing is I almost think it's
Speaker 2: cooler the way that it really happened. It's like more
Speaker 2: mysterious than like, oh, a bunch of fucking stoned hippies
Speaker 2: just made some good music, and then when you see
Speaker 2: what was really going on there, it's a way more
Speaker 2: intriguing story.
Speaker 3: But I love CIA music. It's like the best shit
Speaker 3: out there. I grew up on Laurel Canyon music. It's
Speaker 3: my favorite fucking music. Seat there I go again. Sorry,
Speaker 3: And I actually when I read strange, strange scenes, and
Speaker 3: then I went over to his blog and he has
Speaker 3: a great website. It's called an Uninformed American or something
Speaker 3: like that or I can't remember what it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he has a blog.
Speaker 3: And you can go on there, and like he has
Speaker 3: a bunch of different topics, but Laurel Canyon is one
Speaker 3: of the blogs on there, and he has like pictures
Speaker 3: and it's kind of easier to read than the book
Speaker 3: because he just kind of does like cliffs notes on
Speaker 3: the blog. And so I by the time I got
Speaker 3: done reading the book and then reading the blog, my
Speaker 3: mind was blown. But it was, like Colby said, I
Speaker 3: was like thinking to myself, this makes it almost cooler
Speaker 3: in a way because they're all military and they all
Speaker 3: like kind of grew up together at these military bases
Speaker 3: and shit, and Jim Morrison's dad started to fucking Vietnam
Speaker 3: War and shit, like that's a way better story. Log Cabin.
Speaker 3: Somebody just wrote a comment about the log Cabin. That's
Speaker 3: also interesting to me because who is a Jared Letto
Speaker 3: owns it now?
Speaker 2: No, I think he got Lookout Mountain Studios.
Speaker 3: Oh he got? Is that what he got?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is anybody in here now because we argue about that.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, No, it's.
Speaker 1: A leto got Lookout Mountain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well I'm pretty sure somebody.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see that comment earlier about the log
Speaker 1: cabin about Vince and Neil.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, plane crash.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 1: It's said that it's a head on collision. I just
Speaker 1: looked it up, like the air. There's a collision in
Speaker 1: the air of.
Speaker 2: Another plane.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, another one that I know crash before the podcast,
Speaker 6: Like I was, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're not supposed to be flying everybody, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: Flying fucking anywhere.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 3: They're gonna know and they're gonna kill us.
Speaker 5: So the web, the website just really quickly. Julia was
Speaker 5: a Center for an Informed America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, there you go. So on that
Speaker 3: website he's got stuff on like Abraham Lincoln. He's got
Speaker 3: stuff about the fake moon landing. He's got stuff about
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon obviously, and the Boston Marathon bombings, so it's
Speaker 3: just a really cool place you can go to check
Speaker 3: out a lot of his work. He doesn't actually have
Speaker 3: a blog about program to Kill, though, which surprises me
Speaker 3: because that's like one of my favorite books of all time.
Speaker 3: But something that we were kind of mentioning before we
Speaker 3: started recording is actually how Programmed to Kill and Laurel
Speaker 3: Canyon kind of dovetail each other because serial killers and
Speaker 3: the counterculture movement kind of run hand in hand with
Speaker 3: each other and one of those things. And I don't
Speaker 3: want to like jump too far ahead, but it's Charles Manson, obviously,
Speaker 3: who is a musician, slash MK, ultra slash CIA, slash
Speaker 3: am I missing anything, just a.
Speaker 2: Cool all around guy. Really yeah, my hero.
Speaker 5: Actor, right, actor, Very versatile, diverse.
Speaker 6: Polio.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: Did you guys read Chaos? No?
Speaker 5: I did not.
Speaker 3: No, go ahead, honey, this is your's time to shine. No.
Speaker 2: I just I think it's kind of coming out lately
Speaker 2: that that guy's a gatekeeper of sorts, and I'm busy.
Speaker 2: I'm extremely disappointed by that, But I also I'm not
Speaker 2: surprised because he said just enough to let everybody tie
Speaker 2: the pieces together. Like with the Jolly West Tate Ashbury
Speaker 2: Free Sex Clinic thing. He would just show you and
Speaker 2: then you would be the one to go.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: So when Charles Manson knew Jolly West, maybe, but see,
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's making a Netflix series of it.
Speaker 2: A guy I liked interview on my podcast told me
Speaker 2: that last time I talked to him, and I.
Speaker 3: Mean, he's making a Netflix series.
Speaker 2: That's what I got.
Speaker 3: It's going to be fucking dog shit.
Speaker 2: Well we'll see, but I mean I think who's making
Speaker 2: the Netflix search.
Speaker 6: Was making the netflixers.
Speaker 2: Netflix is doing the adaptation of the book.
Speaker 3: From what I understand, I don't want to see it,
Speaker 3: but we'll have to write to verify.
Speaker 2: I mean, at least start it.
Speaker 3: Okay, But you saw what they did with Waco. They
Speaker 3: just fuck everything up.
Speaker 1: See I've been saying like that whole title alone, chaos
Speaker 1: is just added chaos to the case, and it just
Speaker 1: made it more convoluted. I get there's a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting stuff that came out, like you said, but it
Speaker 1: just made it even more confused. You had to go
Speaker 1: all the way back to the beginning again. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: it's literal chaos. And then he's coming out with the
Speaker 1: second one, which is going to be even now. I
Speaker 1: don't even know that new Sam's coming out.
Speaker 2: I think the most valuable part of that book for
Speaker 2: me was how he tore apart Bogliosi's narrative because a
Speaker 2: lot of people take that face value, and there was
Speaker 2: there's nothing real in Helter Skelter, the whole theory he
Speaker 2: lays out. In my opinion, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think it was. There was anything to that at all.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And the fact that it shows that he was
Speaker 8: arrested on parole so many times and release does I
Speaker 8: mean it shows you that he was being let out,
Speaker 8: He's being watched. There's no way you get charges like
Speaker 8: that on parole, especially back then you're back in.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 1: You had, Like he had good interesting points in the book,
Speaker 1: like about like the parole officer and how the parole
Speaker 1: officer was like kept helping him and helping him and
Speaker 1: helping the kids and even helped Yeah, very odd for sure.
Speaker 3: And then the which I forget, which beach boy it
Speaker 3: is that died? Oh Dennis Dennis, Are you sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one that dope for his car keys and
Speaker 2: kept swimming down to grab him until he died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he said he was going to write a book,
Speaker 3: right and he was going to say what was really
Speaker 3: going on with Manson.
Speaker 2: I'd like to have a conversation with Neil Young about
Speaker 2: Charles Manson if if there's someone left alive, because he
Speaker 2: was all about it.
Speaker 3: Neil Young sucked his dick hole though he loved that guy.
Speaker 3: He loved Manson.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting feat to pull off.
Speaker 3: He was doing it, he loved him. He would say like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's so talented. Look at to check this guy out. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, if he would be honest about it, yeah,
Speaker 3: I doubt he would because he was also a vaccine
Speaker 3: pusher saying he was going to take a ship off Spotify.
Speaker 1: And the creepy Karpis is the one that supposedly taught
Speaker 1: Manson guitar in prison, the mob guy, they were like
Speaker 1: sis and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the beach Boys actually stole some of his ship,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of all right. I think I think
Speaker 2: it would have been better than a lot of the
Speaker 2: people that he was hanging out with. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it was. It would have been more like velvet
Speaker 2: underground type ship.
Speaker 1: Kind of has a good voice and everything, and the Beach.
Speaker 4: Boys and all them.
Speaker 8: They had studio musicians. Anyways, it was if you it
Speaker 8: was of all about the charisma anyways.
Speaker 4: I mean the Birds and all those bands could barely
Speaker 4: even play the instruments.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was direct crew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I think they all learned along
Speaker 2: the way. I think that's where the doors stand out.
Speaker 2: And I think whether that music was written by them
Speaker 2: or not, they actually played it. They played it in
Speaker 2: the studio. They'd bring in a bass player. Ray Man
Speaker 2: Zeric was probably one of the most talented musicians of
Speaker 2: that era. There was an instance in Amsterdam where Morrison
Speaker 2: was so fucked up that he passed out before the show.
Speaker 2: He wandered onto the stage when Jefferson Airplane was playing
Speaker 2: and fucked up their set. Then he passed out. This
Speaker 2: was probably all an act, but ray Man Xeric played
Speaker 2: bass with his left hand, played the keys with his
Speaker 2: right hand and saying just as good as Morrison and
Speaker 2: took it did the entire set. So those guys were
Speaker 2: a good musicians. No, that's Manseric.
Speaker 4: He wrote a lot or not.
Speaker 2: Manz Robbi Krieger, he wrote most of their radio hits.
Speaker 3: I that one.
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes they would like they'd like go into they
Speaker 1: would have to like almost improvise with Morrison because he
Speaker 1: would go in like trances and he would take like
Speaker 1: a two to three minute song and turn it into
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes, and he for his age. It's odd
Speaker 1: just the words and the stuff that he's saying and
Speaker 1: talking about when you listen to the live performances, like.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, a lot of bands back then, Grateful
Speaker 6: Dead did that with their space and their drums. You
Speaker 6: had a lot of jam bands that really kind of
Speaker 6: was doing with the Doors.
Speaker 2: Well, the Doors were kind of like a jazzy jazzy
Speaker 2: jam band when they were alive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I do think that a lot of that
Speaker 6: going to.
Speaker 2: Do, especially in the later years. But I happened to
Speaker 2: think Morrison was acting the whole time and did really
Speaker 2: become a fucking bloated drunk because of what he was
Speaker 2: doing to America's youth. I mean, he'd scream at the crowd,
Speaker 2: you're all.
Speaker 3: A bunch of slaves, fuckers of.
Speaker 5: The One of the things that we had Nick and
Speaker 5: I had done a dive into Empedocles, which was an
Speaker 5: ancient philosopher, and one of the things that comes up
Speaker 5: out of there is the discovery of I am a
Speaker 5: hexameter or hexameter. It's a type of poetry that it's
Speaker 5: like a six stanza type thing. And back in the day,
Speaker 5: only oracles from Delphi spoke in hexameter, and that if
Speaker 5: it didn't happen in hexameter, then it was considered not
Speaker 5: to be authentic to have been divinated from the oracle.
Speaker 5: So one of the things when we're looking at hexameter,
Speaker 5: just as a quick reference, they said that Jim Morrison
Speaker 5: wrote his songs in hexameter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and who was teaching him do this shit?
Speaker 3: That's also mentioned in American Horror Story season covin which
Speaker 3: I keep trying to tell y'allo.
Speaker 6: We had a guy on We had a guy on
Speaker 6: Whole Wild that covered Jim Morrison and he went into
Speaker 6: some stuff where you like he said he was like
Speaker 6: very young age and like went to some specific library.
Speaker 6: Oh oh oh oh yeah, yeah, I'm not exactly sure
Speaker 6: where it was. It might have been in Washington where
Speaker 6: he went to some like specific libraries, like young kid
Speaker 6: to take out some book that was like pretty much
Speaker 6: like occult stuff. And then we were like, how did
Speaker 6: you know?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 6: Yes, the internet to tell you that the book was there.
Speaker 5: So they said that, like, his dad was stationed in
Speaker 5: LA and they made the trip to Washington when he
Speaker 5: got transferred, and on the way to DC, they stopped
Speaker 5: at an area in north New Mexico, and Morrison claims,
Speaker 5: at the age of three years old, he felt that
Speaker 5: the spirits of the native people who had passed away
Speaker 5: on an accident that had happened at Los Alamos Laboratory
Speaker 5: entered him and never left. And I had asked Paul,
Speaker 5: I was like, did he stop at Los Alamos? Was
Speaker 5: his dad affiliated with Los Almos?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 5: That's pretty damn specific. And I do know that Los
Speaker 5: Alamo's laboratory they did use Native hands to build the stuff,
Speaker 5: and so it would almost beg the question in passing,
Speaker 5: did they, you know, stop and Courier, I don't know whatever.
Speaker 5: And so he did make a stop there. And we
Speaker 5: do have significant people that went to Los Alamo's Ranch school,
Speaker 5: like WILLIAMS. Burrows and some other people with that ended
Speaker 5: up becoming huge prominent figures later in society for them
Speaker 5: to stop there. But what Nick was saying when they
Speaker 5: got to DC and he was going to school there,
Speaker 5: they said that he really wasn't interested in what regular
Speaker 5: kids were interested. He was always at the library, and
Speaker 5: that he went to the library Congress Library, Library of Congress,
Speaker 5: and that he asked specifically for a demonology book and
Speaker 5: like the specific one that was written. And Nick and
Speaker 5: I were saying that even when we did a deep
Speaker 5: dive into some of these grim wars, to know where
Speaker 5: these grimmoars are, you have to like really search and
Speaker 5: find out where it's being housed. The fact that he
Speaker 5: knew that that specific book was at the Library of
Speaker 5: Congress and asked for it and studied it, to me,
Speaker 5: indicates that somebody was involved either in grooming letting him
Speaker 5: know about this stuff. But at a very young age
Speaker 5: he was going to the library and reading this stuff
Speaker 5: and wanted what an Encyclopedia Britannica or something at the
Speaker 5: age of something for his birthday. It was very odd,
Speaker 5: very very odd.
Speaker 3: Do you think that there's like ritualism involved and like
Speaker 3: the CIA part is like separate.
Speaker 1: Or well to tie to tie in the books and
Speaker 1: the LSD. When it was the year before Morrison was
Speaker 1: joining the Doors, he actually had a storage unit and
Speaker 1: he only had his books in the storage unit, and
Speaker 1: he literally lived on the roof and ate oranges from
Speaker 1: the orange tree and supposedly tripped acid every single day
Speaker 1: on that roof, and he he supposedly would see his
Speaker 1: mom in the moon every time he would trip, and
Speaker 1: he had almost like a sexual fantasy for his mom,
Speaker 1: and he almost had like a hatred.
Speaker 6: For his dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lyrics of the end, I mean, and they
Speaker 2: touched on that pretty pretty well in the dolliver Stone
Speaker 2: movie and also what Lisa was talking about with the
Speaker 2: Indian stuff that's in the Doors movie. Morrison also mentions
Speaker 2: it in The American Prayer the Live Poetry album, and
Speaker 2: he claimed it was a car crash, but the way
Speaker 2: Lisa's talking about it is more intriguing to me. I've
Speaker 2: never gotten Yeah, I've never heard.
Speaker 3: About that before. But do you feel like it's do
Speaker 3: you feel like did ant aspect of this? And I'm
Speaker 3: just playing Devil's advocate because we weren't there, but we
Speaker 3: do know who his father was, and we do know
Speaker 3: about the Laurel Canyon and what they were pulling on
Speaker 3: us to eat. Like sometimes I hear some of this
Speaker 3: stuff about musicians and I'm like, God only fucking knows
Speaker 3: if any of this is true or just up bullshit
Speaker 3: to make this person seem more interesting, because it's like
Speaker 3: they have to have a character backstory to make this
Speaker 3: movie work and to make them interesting. And I don't
Speaker 3: think he's dead. I don't think he's part of the
Speaker 3: twenty seven club for real. I don't think. And it's
Speaker 3: like the Manson murders. You've got me convinced that they
Speaker 3: probably didn't even happen. So I think some of this
Speaker 3: stuff just it's like to sensationalize the character of Jim Morrison.
Speaker 3: But I almost wonder if everything we hear about these celebrities, musicians, whatever,
Speaker 3: especially coming out of the Laurel Canyon, especially someone whose
Speaker 3: dad literally started the Vietnam War and he never talked
Speaker 3: about that for somebody was so anti war and so
Speaker 3: fucking counterculture, he never talked about that shit. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know how much. And it's not to discount
Speaker 3: anything that anybody's researched. It could be true, but I
Speaker 3: just don't know if he's as interesting as they make
Speaker 3: him out to be for real, because we were talking
Speaker 3: about it, and I think a more interesting story would
Speaker 3: be who he really was, like his dad's you know,
Speaker 3: and all this his connections, and that's more interesting than
Speaker 3: like tripping acid and wanting to fuck your mom and
Speaker 3: eating oranges.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, well a lot of that stuff could
Speaker 2: be true. Like I don't think we need to throw
Speaker 2: the baby out with the bathwater in his past because
Speaker 2: he was gifted.
Speaker 3: He was You don't think it's sensationalized.
Speaker 2: Of course it is. I mean, I love Slash hate
Speaker 2: the Doors movie the Oliver Stone made. I think it's
Speaker 2: a great movie, but maybe twenty five percent of it's
Speaker 2: even slightly true.
Speaker 6: One thing I did think was weird, and you know,
Speaker 6: me and Lisa had I think she had agreed with me.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying like I did make me think the
Speaker 6: story is false per se. Maybe just stuff missing. But
Speaker 6: my opinion, a three year old coming out and saying
Speaker 6: a lot of that stuff or remembering that stuff from
Speaker 6: three years old is like a little like really, like
Speaker 6: you really remember that much detail that you were going
Speaker 6: through Los Ella's three years.
Speaker 5: Old, right, or maybe somebody told him that, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: But just the whole fact of Los Alamo's ranch itself
Speaker 5: in and of itself was a huge deal in terms
Speaker 5: of a connection. Like the guy who started Los Alamo's
Speaker 5: School Ranch School before Oppenheimer got there, because Oppenheimer kind
Speaker 5: of kicked it all off with Los Alamo's. I mean,
Speaker 5: all the creditor goes to him in terms of, you know,
Speaker 5: the building and the construction and the upbringing and all
Speaker 5: that other stuff. But initially the Ranch School where William S.
Speaker 5: Burrows was going, where Edward T. Hall, Roy Chapman, all
Speaker 5: these guys, Colegate guy were all there. The main guy
Speaker 5: who started it, he was at Stanford, and there were
Speaker 5: I believe he had some sort of tie to you know,
Speaker 5: psychology and all that other stuff, which we know that
Speaker 5: Stanford Psychology department. You see Essling kind of you know,
Speaker 5: blooming off of that. So to me, I feel like
Speaker 5: it's significant that they would make a trip there first
Speaker 5: and foremost. The other thing that I wanted to say
Speaker 5: is that Paul had mentioned in our interview with him
Speaker 5: that Morrison was constantly getting in trouble, like he was
Speaker 5: constantly getting in trouble with the law, whether it was
Speaker 5: state police, local police, it was constant, whether it was hotels,
Speaker 5: whether it was drunk, whatever it was, and that I
Speaker 5: think somebody had had it. I don't know, It's like
Speaker 5: federal or something, and they wanted to pick him up
Speaker 5: and take him in. Why that would be a big
Speaker 5: deal is that the dad his dad Apparently there was
Speaker 5: a letter that was written that the dad actually was
Speaker 5: wanting to submit his career or his title in exchange
Speaker 5: for letting Morrison go. And I'm like, okay, if it's
Speaker 5: local law enforcement or stale enforcement, that would mean nothing, like, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm a rear admiral. Here's my title to I don't know,
Speaker 5: state of Texas. Nobody cares. Why would why would that
Speaker 5: letter come to me? I think is because he's submitting
Speaker 5: it to the federal level. And why is the federal
Speaker 5: level getting involved in what, you know, disturbances? Morrison is
Speaker 5: causing it some of these concerts, I think, well that's something.
Speaker 5: There's meat on that bone for sure.
Speaker 3: I think. Is he one of your favorites from the
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 5: H Not not particularly. I mean yes, but I think
Speaker 5: there's some other ones that I really Eric Clapton was good,
Speaker 5: but I really like the females, the like Jody Mitchell
Speaker 5: that really kind of like fades away into the you know,
Speaker 5: the limelight or whatever, more dark and twisty.
Speaker 3: Did you like like the Mamas and the Papas or anything.
Speaker 5: I did like them. I did like them. I like
Speaker 5: their music. But I think the story of like with
Speaker 5: Joni Mitchell, I think was very interesting. How she shows
Speaker 5: up and everybody's completely floored and fascinated by her. That
Speaker 5: Eric Clapton, you know, take his eyes off of her
Speaker 5: because of her voice. And the thing is that Joni
Speaker 5: Mitchell was brought over from Florida, and they all knew
Speaker 5: each other, every single one of the people that lived
Speaker 5: in Laurel Canyon. That was another thing when we talked
Speaker 5: to I think Vt. Wallace, is that they all knew
Speaker 5: each other. Their fathers all worked together in DC or
Speaker 5: in some sort of capacity with the OSS or with
Speaker 5: some sort of intelligentsia with the US. I think in
Speaker 5: Florida there was a couple of them that knew each other.
Speaker 5: I don't remember off the top of my head exactly why,
Speaker 5: but they all knew each other. So when they got there,
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, like a bunch of kids that
Speaker 5: grew up in Martha's vineyard, you know, taking up residence
Speaker 5: I don't know, in Martha, Texas or something.
Speaker 8: That's kind of how I thought, and a lot of
Speaker 8: those guys were on strange trips as young people traveling
Speaker 8: around margin a lot of different places, traveling around, and
Speaker 8: then they all start showing up. Right as the war
Speaker 8: is about to get kicked off and the anti war
Speaker 8: movement's happening, is when they all start showing up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for no reason whatsoever, because the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 3: was not a music scene. The major music scene was
Speaker 3: like Memphis, where else, like New York, New York, Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't fucking there wasn't anything going on in the
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon. They just started migrating there for un explained
Speaker 3: reasons literally.
Speaker 2: Well, and Vito Pulkas is another interesting on the U
Speaker 2: because he had the freaks that would show up at
Speaker 2: these concerts and a lot of people hadn't seen anything
Speaker 2: like that before. So that was mainly, you know, that
Speaker 2: was the big attraction of a lot of these shows
Speaker 2: in these small LA clubs was these freak freaky hippie
Speaker 2: chicks dancing. And the guy that orchestrated that, I mean,
Speaker 2: his son died when he was like he's like three
Speaker 2: or four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go to poly and he.
Speaker 2: Was replaced by Bobby Bousella and a Kenneth Anger film,
Speaker 2: like this guy actually made it okay to go to
Speaker 2: one of these shows where the musicians really sucked and
Speaker 2: you would just it was just became a big party.
Speaker 2: And I mean in the fifties you didn't really have that,
Speaker 2: like it was just about the music really in the dancing.
Speaker 3: But do you remember what I always say about like
Speaker 3: the plane crash with like Buddy Holly and the Big
Speaker 3: Bopper and all those fuckers on it. That was like
Speaker 3: the ending of an era for the counterculture scene to
Speaker 3: take off, because that was the last of that generation
Speaker 3: of like intent kind of like puppy dumb music and
Speaker 3: then all over and after that playing crass hippie, don't
Speaker 3: shape pits, don't wear out all, don't take birth control
Speaker 3: and also uh smoke drugs and what else. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's in my opinion, I feel like it was almost
Speaker 3: like an overnight kind of transition from Buddy Haley to
Speaker 3: Frank Zappa.
Speaker 8: Yeah, hippie was invented right there in those clubs, right
Speaker 8: there by Laurel Canyon and complete, complete invention. And like
Speaker 8: you said, it was freaks they wanted to go. People
Speaker 8: would show up for the freak aspect of it, and
Speaker 8: they didn't care how shitty the music was.
Speaker 3: So one thing.
Speaker 5: Two things actually so Morrison and not you know, it
Speaker 5: sounds like I'm just suck on Morrison. I apologize to
Speaker 5: the chatting to y'all. Morrison got a degree in cinematology, sorry,
Speaker 5: cinematography from UCLA, which would be a liberal arts type college,
Speaker 5: right or the department, right, Usually you have them kind
Speaker 5: of collated in departments. And so one of the things
Speaker 5: that we talk about as Stanford and Esselin always being associated,
Speaker 5: what we don't realize is that some of the original
Speaker 5: professors or scientists that started this whole kickoff with Stanford
Speaker 5: and Esselin first came from UCLA and they started in
Speaker 5: that department of the Liberal Arts college. So that's also
Speaker 5: to kind of keep in mind. And it was about
Speaker 5: the time when Morrison was in school at UCLA. So
Speaker 5: I think again we have another connection. Another connection, kind
Speaker 5: of pivoting off of what Mike said, is that no
Speaker 5: one really looks at the Troubadour, which was the club
Speaker 5: where all these people were playing there outside of Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 5: and he was the main guy that if you played there,
Speaker 5: you could play there for free as long as that
Speaker 5: when you made it big, you had to come back
Speaker 5: and play. His parents I believe his parents were German
Speaker 5: or he was of German descent of sort. The owner
Speaker 5: from the Troubador, I forget his name, but nobody really
Speaker 5: mentions him. He had to have been integral into this
Speaker 5: whole scene, you know what I mean. I mean they
Speaker 5: had to have gotten exposure somewhere. And who designated Troubadour
Speaker 5: to be the club to be exposed exposing these people?
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with that, are you.
Speaker 2: I didn't know about the guy I know about the club.
Speaker 5: Let me look up the name of the Troubadour A
Speaker 5: second Alexander Douglas Weston.
Speaker 3: Oh, that sounds like a suspicious name.
Speaker 5: He was the owner of the Troubadour.
Speaker 3: Alexander what.
Speaker 5: Alexander Douglas Doug Weston And he was the owner of
Speaker 5: Troubadour And it was located at ninety eighty one Santa
Speaker 5: Monica Boulevard Western But I was initially a coffeehouse.
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 2: But like.
Speaker 3: I don't was it on the Sunset Strip Santa Monica?
Speaker 3: Santa Monica is that close?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's all close down there, depending on traffic,
Speaker 2: but I would Yeah, there's like three clubs that were
Speaker 2: kind of featuring these bands, and the.
Speaker 3: Freaks were at some club on Sunset Strip.
Speaker 2: Well there was there was the Whiskey Go Go, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what it was, and the Troubadour. I don't I'm
Speaker 2: blanking on the other one, but you know, in the beginning,
Speaker 2: it was kind of crazy because the log Cabin was
Speaker 2: like a kind of a hangout spot where Zappa and
Speaker 2: I mean this is really close to the manson Slanes too.
Speaker 2: I mean it all links together. But Frank Zappa, Mama
Speaker 2: Cass and one that nobody even really talks about that's
Speaker 2: one of my favorites is Captain Beefheart. He kind of
Speaker 2: came on later, but Captain Beefheart's story is crazy. He
Speaker 2: would actually like imprison his bandmates and make them record
Speaker 2: under extreme hydration and starvation. I think, yeah, the third album.
Speaker 2: I like beef Heart's first few albums and he kind
Speaker 2: of gets out there, but I just think he's one
Speaker 2: that doesn't really get talked about. With Laura King's stuff.
Speaker 3: Blocked them up and dehydrated then instead play.
Speaker 2: This music, yes, and it was like real weird off
Speaker 2: the wall music. One of the I think it was
Speaker 2: the drummer escaped during the recording sessions and he ended up.
Speaker 2: I think he came back out of guilt or something.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Not not only that, the bass player who also was
Speaker 1: the bass player for Zappa for a while. I can't
Speaker 1: remember his name right offhand, but he's actually a like
Speaker 1: a sexual predator. Like he's had cases against him since
Speaker 1: the seventies and I think he's even back in prison again.
Speaker 3: Well, he deserved to be dehydrated and something.
Speaker 1: When he was a child, he was a child prodigy,
Speaker 1: and there was like a lot of mystery behind the
Speaker 1: teacher and everything, and they've actually there's actually been a
Speaker 1: lot of information that's come out about the guy that
Speaker 1: taught him how to sculpt when he was a little kid.
Speaker 1: And then he actually became really good friends with Zappa
Speaker 1: in high school, and then he was in the Zappa band,
Speaker 1: and then he separated from that and started the beef
Speaker 1: Art Captain beef Art.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And wasn't Zappa kind of the main producer of his
Speaker 2: like launch into it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he produced and that was Cooper. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say those were his two brand
Speaker 2: children really exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't zapA grow up Edgewood Arsenal Well.
Speaker 2: That's where his dad worked. And funny because you get
Speaker 2: Morrison's dad at the Gulf of Tonken, and then you
Speaker 2: have Zappa's dad making the chemical weapons that they were
Speaker 2: going to use.
Speaker 3: John Phillips dad fucking I mean Jackson Brown's dad and
Speaker 3: someone else that people forget about John Denver, who is
Speaker 3: definitely Laurel Canyon and his dad was some high up motherfucker.
Speaker 3: What was he a captain at Roswell Army Airfield?
Speaker 2: I think he was a force Yeah.
Speaker 3: Roswell literally, and then he goes on to be on
Speaker 3: the Board of Governors for NASA for many years. He's
Speaker 3: responsible for the first citizens space flight that hit the Challenger.
Speaker 3: That's John Dinver's fucking idea.
Speaker 5: And then it I mean, whether or not.
Speaker 3: You believe those people actually died, it's just as fake
Speaker 3: as everything else that came out of the Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 3: But I mean John Denver was friends with Mama Cass
Speaker 3: and all of them. I mean, look, Denver was a
Speaker 3: sharpshooter during the Korean War. Thank you, Evanna. I didn't
Speaker 3: fucking know that. That is some good information to know.
Speaker 1: I never heard.
Speaker 9: I never heard that.
Speaker 2: That's another one from Crosby was one of the more
Speaker 2: interesting ones to me because I think a lot of
Speaker 2: these guys were just like useful idiots. But then you
Speaker 2: had people at Crosby who probably had a hand and
Speaker 2: orchestrated the whole scene.
Speaker 3: His family literally goes back to the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 1: A pretty important character. He's I don't think maybe directly
Speaker 1: tied to Laurel Canyon, but but Bill Graham, the promoter,
Speaker 1: he had like the Phillmore East, he had the Fillmore West.
Speaker 1: He was basically the guy that started the Grateful Dead.
Speaker 1: He started Santana, he started Quicksilver Messenger Service, all the
Speaker 1: San Francisco bands, Jimi Hendricks, all the same stuff.
Speaker 6: So you see Raked all those bands as you just mentioned.
Speaker 6: Though playing live they are known for going into like
Speaker 6: weird jam jam sessions, all three of those. All those
Speaker 6: people do.
Speaker 3: But do you think it almost kind of like brains
Speaker 3: one for.
Speaker 6: The Velvet Underground, did that too? Love?
Speaker 1: You know the the acid test, the original acid tests
Speaker 1: where the Grateful Dead was just the house banned and
Speaker 1: they started up there in northern California. They worked their
Speaker 1: way down every basically every night to a different area
Speaker 1: where they got all the way down to Watts l A.
Speaker 1: And every night they just dripped acid and uh, they
Speaker 1: just had peep. It was just a house party. They
Speaker 1: would have like instruments laying around and microphones that would
Speaker 1: be everywhere, and people were encouraged to just like make
Speaker 1: noises and say all kinds of strange stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll answer that last comment about the police, because yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh yeah, the Copeland brothers and then I mean
Speaker 2: they all they had like three major record labels. It
Speaker 2: was the CIA, the Irs, and I don't remember the
Speaker 2: third one. But McGowan in his prologue as if maybe
Speaker 2: he was planning on doing a Laurel Canyon esquees out
Speaker 2: of the eighties, and the Copeland thing is huge. I
Speaker 2: think that one, like somebody should actually write that book
Speaker 2: because it's just as intriguing. I mean, Laurel Canyon formula
Speaker 2: never really stopped. I love to compare it to grunge
Speaker 2: because the formula was the same. They tweaked it a
Speaker 2: little bit for the times. But yeah, the the Copeland
Speaker 2: thing is a really good tangent to look into. The
Speaker 2: other one was the FBI. I was going to say that,
Speaker 2: but I was like, fuck, I guess it was.
Speaker 3: The comments are on fire, and somebody cleared up that
Speaker 3: thing about John Denver too. They said it was a rumor.
Speaker 2: It's like how mister Rogers had all these kills and
Speaker 2: tats being I remember believing that when I heard it.
Speaker 3: Well, didn't, but didn't. So we actually interviewed a guy,
Speaker 3: his name is John Gusty, and he said that John Denver.
Speaker 2: He thinks he's trans.
Speaker 3: It's trans. That John Denver is a woman.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. The next
Speaker 2: time we had that plan, I don't remember what song
Speaker 2: it was, but I was like, that could easily be
Speaker 2: a chick. I'm not saying I believe it.
Speaker 3: He's small and he has small hands. I do love
Speaker 3: John Denver, though, did he say he said somebody else
Speaker 3: from the Laurel Canyon didn't He.
Speaker 2: He thinks a lot of people are trans.
Speaker 1: Maybe my grandpa, my grandpa. We said Rod Stewart was.
Speaker 2: Is he still alive? I was gonna say we should
Speaker 2: get him in on one of these damn it.
Speaker 3: You elks was kind of small. Jackson Brown definitely could
Speaker 3: be trans, and his dad was in the oss, so
Speaker 3: he's a trans Nazis.
Speaker 6: What do you think, like overall, what do you think
Speaker 6: was the purpose of like Lower Canyon was that, like
Speaker 6: you think, it was a bunch of different things going on.
Speaker 6: It was everything was tied into each other.
Speaker 3: Can I go first? I think that they were running
Speaker 3: the counterculture movement at the same time with the serial
Speaker 3: killer movement, because they the main the first serial killers
Speaker 3: came out of the sixties around the same time all
Speaker 3: this Laurel Canyon stuff was going down, and they were
Speaker 3: like forcing independence on women and telling him to get
Speaker 3: out there and go do stuff. And then at the
Speaker 3: same time there was people like Manson Zodiac, Ted Bundy
Speaker 3: just ripping and running through chicks, just literally slashing their
Speaker 3: way up and down the coast. And so it was
Speaker 3: like mixing of different cultural It's a five layer burrito, okay, countercultures.
Speaker 3: At the bottom, it's.
Speaker 5: The rice and then the beef is.
Speaker 3: Programmed to kill, right with the serial killers. But then
Speaker 3: there's other layers, right like the nacho cheese, and you
Speaker 3: keep going. But I think it's it was just part
Speaker 3: of like a multi layered psychological operation because they affect
Speaker 3: the culture and then it's so easy. It's like Colby said,
Speaker 3: they just repeated it throughout time with new serial killers
Speaker 3: and new music scenes. So it was like the eighties
Speaker 3: and then the nineties with like Nirvana and shit, and
Speaker 3: they just get new people to play these same archetypal
Speaker 3: characters and they just keep like upping it every time.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, honey, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it is a layer of things. You
Speaker 2: got to talk about like Gordon Wasson going down to
Speaker 2: Mexico with the Time magazine article. The same time Timothy
Speaker 2: Timothy Larry's doing this thing coming out of Hartford with
Speaker 2: the LSD stuff. He admitted he was a CIA guy
Speaker 2: like way before he died. And then you got to
Speaker 2: take into the Bay areas going on around then too.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, you can control culture, but you
Speaker 2: don't really control culture unless you control the counterculture. And
Speaker 2: the best way to control it is to create it.
Speaker 2: And it's just I mean, the Hegelian dialectic divide and conquer.
Speaker 2: It's I don't think there's like one easy way to
Speaker 2: just wrap it up in a sentence.
Speaker 3: Well, it went from like literally like Buddy Hawley to fucking.
Speaker 2: Who have canas you're talking about your.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, well, you know something else that people don't
Speaker 3: talk about in relation to the Laurel Canyon is that
Speaker 3: with the serial killer movement thing with me andson coming
Speaker 3: out of California Zodiac, I mean out of California, there's
Speaker 3: also the fucking Black Dahlia, which isn't necessarily part of
Speaker 3: the sixties.
Speaker 5: Oh, Lisa, you know about this, right, Yeah. So the
Speaker 5: whole forty seven nineteen forty seven, you know Roswell, you
Speaker 5: have a switchover from OSSCIA, you have the creation of
Speaker 5: the Air Force Division of the military. You also have
Speaker 5: Crowley dying in December. The main event that's been forty
Speaker 5: seven at the very beginning was in January was the
Speaker 5: Black Dahlia death. It kicked it all off, and I
Speaker 5: think it was one of the most publicized deaths and
Speaker 5: almost again a traumatizing way to traumatize the public was that.
Speaker 3: And if you look into who was probably responsible for that,
Speaker 3: it does go back to the Laurel Canyon because because
Speaker 3: the Hodel guy, right, George Hodell, his daughter later became
Speaker 3: friends with Michelle Phillips right from the Mamas and the Papas,
Speaker 3: So it does tie back to Laurel Canyon. But I mean, okay,
Speaker 3: I feel like if there's anything that's like CIA or
Speaker 3: you need to look into it some more, it'll be
Speaker 3: on an episode of Ghost Adventures. And fucking Nick knows.
Speaker 5: This because we talk about it all the time.
Speaker 3: If you want to know some sketchy ass shit, Zach
Speaker 3: Began's will show up with a freaking EMF detector and
Speaker 3: he went to George Hodell's house in the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 3: and was like, oh, he was incestuous with his daughter
Speaker 3: and all that, And I'm like, of course he shows
Speaker 3: up there like that's perfect, But I do think that
Speaker 3: it was probably him, and he was incestuous with his daughter.
Speaker 3: A lot of the weirdos out of the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 3: were incestuous with their daughters. John Phillips was apparently, Frank
Speaker 3: Zappa was doing weird stuff with his codes, and there
Speaker 3: was another one am I forgetting.
Speaker 2: Oh there's many and.
Speaker 3: They were all just running train on their own kids.
Speaker 3: The Oh no, wait, no, that was.
Speaker 1: The hotel. He would He would even let like when
Speaker 1: he had house parties like at the like celebrities and stuff,
Speaker 1: have sex with his daughter and everything, and then the
Speaker 1: house was like a Mayan temple yep, yep, and so
Speaker 1: the and she was like it ties into the house
Speaker 1: they found like the black Dollia's body, like in the
Speaker 1: same kind of concrete bags that they had at the
Speaker 1: house that was used during construction.
Speaker 3: I don't know what this comment is about the Layton family.
Speaker 3: If you read Dave McGowan's blog, there's a whole section
Speaker 3: just on the black Dahlia. And after you read that,
Speaker 3: after you see the evidence, I doubt you'll you'll think
Speaker 3: it's anybody but the Hodell family. And also she got
Speaker 3: pregnant by her father and that kid is still alive.
Speaker 3: And you know that the brother of I think her
Speaker 3: name was Tamar, wasn't it, yes, Maar Hodell. Yeah, her
Speaker 3: brother wrote, has written books and done interviews and he
Speaker 3: apparently they were doing ritualism in that house. I mean,
Speaker 3: it wasn't just a black dahlia. They were like cutting
Speaker 3: bitches up and the basement and stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, doctor Hodell, that's what he did. He did illegal abortions.
Speaker 1: That was part of what he did. It was like
Speaker 1: a thing he couldn't even do then, but he did
Speaker 1: him illegally for celebrities.
Speaker 3: And they wait a second, so that's American Horn.
Speaker 1: Murder House.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, Thrash can finish talking without
Speaker 2: Julia talking about American Horse Story, because yeah, it's the
Speaker 2: Matt Ross character in season one is supposed.
Speaker 6: To be him.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's George Odell. It's supposed to see I
Speaker 3: told you guys, we're living in the most interesting season
Speaker 3: of American Horror Story. We're living in a conglomeration of
Speaker 3: all the seasons put together. And I will stand by
Speaker 3: that until day I'm dead.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if you's hear some Black Mirror in.
Speaker 3: There too, black Mirror slash American Horror Story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it would be pretty point.
Speaker 3: Nick, who is your favorite out of the Laurel Canyon?
Speaker 3: Though I have not ever heard you.
Speaker 6: Say, I don't think I really have, would tell you
Speaker 6: the truth.
Speaker 3: Like getting to head right now, you have to pick
Speaker 3: one artist out of the Laurel Canyon to listen to
Speaker 3: until you're dead.
Speaker 6: Ooh, man might actually go with the Dead who Grateful Dead?
Speaker 2: Oh well, they were in the bay.
Speaker 3: But I mean, you have to pick canyons so it
Speaker 3: can be like Morrison, Mama's and the Papas, who else?
Speaker 3: The Turtles, Les, David Cross Crosby Stills and.
Speaker 2: Nash Hendrick's kind of was around the scene.
Speaker 4: The birds love Eric Clapton.
Speaker 6: He'll probably just take Eric Clapton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love you.
Speaker 6: Got What's what's his deal with over there?
Speaker 2: That guy's story is weird.
Speaker 8: Well, he that's where his kid died, right, He lived
Speaker 8: up there at that time, and he was totally tied
Speaker 8: in with the monkeys and all of them, like all
Speaker 8: of them were tight.
Speaker 4: They all have pictures together.
Speaker 3: Who was Graham Parsons with.
Speaker 1: The Flying Burrito Brothers? I think is Graham Parsons? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he died in the town that I grew up
Speaker 1: in when I was a little kid. My grandpa like
Speaker 1: built a house there and everything.
Speaker 3: Joshua Tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he died in that hotel there and.
Speaker 3: Zach Began's Ghost Adventures and.
Speaker 1: There's a Ghost Adventures episode I was gonna say at
Speaker 1: that hotel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. And isn't there
Speaker 3: like that weird story where they took Graham's body and
Speaker 3: they like buried it on the soul.
Speaker 2: They made a really good movie of that with what's
Speaker 2: the fucking jackass guy's name?
Speaker 1: Not so Yeah? Yeah, grand Theft Parsons, I think, is
Speaker 1: that's what it is?
Speaker 2: I mean to me, Like she keeps talking about how
Speaker 2: this is all like keeping the story alive. So I
Speaker 2: would have to say ghost adventures just another way that
Speaker 2: they keep these legends going.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We talked about it when we cover Jeffrey Dahmer because
Speaker 3: I said he'll show up at Jeffrey's apartment and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, no, he can't because they burnt it down.
Speaker 3: They built a playground there. So it's it's just funny
Speaker 3: how he shows up at these places that like how
Speaker 3: does he know about this? Literally, the he goes to
Speaker 3: the hotel where Grandparsans dies, He went to Kenneth Anger's
Speaker 3: old house and interviewed Kenneth Anger. Did you guys thrash
Speaker 3: did you Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, And they like shoved the lion claw
Speaker 1: marks that were like at the mansion when Levey owned
Speaker 1: the Lion and yeah yeah they did. They did like
Speaker 1: an investigation like in one of the rooms where they
Speaker 1: did one of the rituals and everything. Yeah, and Angers
Speaker 1: like just all talking about summoning demons and everything right
Speaker 1: on the episode. Yeah, literally, his Lucifer jacket his Lucifer jacket.
Speaker 3: What channel do they play ghost Adventures on? Is it
Speaker 3: like t LC or some ship like that.
Speaker 1: You travel channel, your travel Travel.
Speaker 3: Channel, that's what people. They literally are just clicking around
Speaker 3: on TV and freaking Kenneth Anger pops up with this
Speaker 3: Lucifer jacket and summing demons. Yeah literally really that so.
Speaker 3: But Kenneth Anger is a whole other aspect of the
Speaker 3: Canyon though, because he uh was it the Rolling Stones
Speaker 3: and they were going to do some project with him
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean he's heavily tied in with a
Speaker 2: lot of the Manson people.
Speaker 1: Well, there's even rumored that the original guitar player of
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones, Yeah, that he was doing a black
Speaker 1: magic ritual and I don't think he finished it and
Speaker 1: they found him like drowned in the pool.
Speaker 5: Yep, that is true.
Speaker 3: And then I guess if we're talking about the Stones,
Speaker 3: we should bring up the uh It's in the book, right,
Speaker 3: The Altamont.
Speaker 2: Park, I don't know. This one to me is one
Speaker 2: where everybody just argues about what went down that day,
Speaker 2: Like I think we got into some hot water last
Speaker 2: time we talked about it.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the video I never did see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's the video and you can see the whole thing
Speaker 1: go down between the Hell's Angel and uh, there's like
Speaker 1: a black dude. I think he has a knife and
Speaker 1: you can see pull No, I think he pulls out
Speaker 1: a gun and then the Hell's Angel pulls out like
Speaker 1: a k bar and you can they just it just
Speaker 1: they just get into a whole fight right there in
Speaker 1: the crowd. And there's like a whole story of one
Speaker 1: of the Hell's Angels named Animal. He would wear like
Speaker 1: a fox he had like a fox head he would wear,
Speaker 1: and uh, you can see him actually instigating something like
Speaker 1: he takes like a like a billy club or something
Speaker 1: and jab somebody. They were like messing with the band
Speaker 1: of Jefferson Airplane. It was just like chaos from all
Speaker 1: all day. Like the Hell's Angels were just bullying people around.
Speaker 1: You can see you could watch on video where like
Speaker 1: Animal he's like bullying people one like smacking crowd members
Speaker 1: and just because they're getting a little too close to
Speaker 1: the stage.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and the Rolling Stones hired them as security.
Speaker 1: Yeah why would yeah, yeah, why would you look.
Speaker 2: Like there's the Hunter S. Thompson thing. There's a Bundye
Speaker 2: victim that was supposedly taken away by Hell's Angels from
Speaker 2: like a big picnic. These guys always kind of have
Speaker 2: they're just in the background.
Speaker 1: And the Ascettach they were directly involved at the attack too.
Speaker 2: And I mean and they did do a lot of
Speaker 2: black black market drug dealing back then too, Like they
Speaker 2: definitely had connections to Wait.
Speaker 8: And all started by ex military. They were passes just
Speaker 8: like the military.
Speaker 1: I mean named after the squadron, the Hell's Angels. What
Speaker 1: squadron it was an Air Force squadron named the Hell's Angels,
Speaker 1: and that's what they they named their.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 8: All the major biker gangs have ties from the Vietnam
Speaker 8: where they come back. A lot of them were started
Speaker 8: there and the original ones were started to World War
Speaker 8: two because they would learn how to ride motorcycles over
Speaker 8: there and then they became available.
Speaker 3: So what's Hybrid and Parsons Laurel Canyon decade, Well.
Speaker 2: I mean that was earlier, but still it's it's around
Speaker 2: the time Lisa was talking about nineteen forty seven. That era,
Speaker 2: like a lot of big things going on there. I
Speaker 2: do think that scientology and its naval intelligence connection can't
Speaker 2: be overlooked if we're talking about.
Speaker 1: The Laurel Canayan ties in direct I'm sorry, but the
Speaker 1: Laurel Canayan ties in directly to Jack Parsons and the
Speaker 1: Oto lodge he was a part of, which is called
Speaker 1: the Agape Lodge in California, and there's evidence that Charles
Speaker 1: Manson was Actually there's some weird stuff where they hired
Speaker 1: them to break into the lodge to get a bunch
Speaker 1: of files and documents because there was like a like
Speaker 1: an argument between Israel Regardi and the other person that
Speaker 1: was running the lodge at the time, m And they
Speaker 1: had the Mansons dude like creepy crawl into the lodge
Speaker 1: and it was in Death Valley. And then there's all kinds.
Speaker 1: There's a weird story that ties into that lodge called
Speaker 1: the Boy in the Box.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna see. There was a boy that
Speaker 3: was locked in a box somewhere and they were somehow
Speaker 3: able to Okay, so you know that story good?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he was locked in a box at the
Speaker 1: lodge and supposedly they were like using him for ritual
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they found him chained up and he
Speaker 1: had just like a bowl of water and like some food.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they said like they weren't.
Speaker 3: He was just like pissing and shitting all over himself
Speaker 3: in the box. And it was a lot like how
Speaker 3: they talk about the kids at Presidio Air Force Base.
Speaker 3: They were getting pissed on and shipped on, and like
Speaker 3: that's one of the main things if you look for Satanism,
Speaker 3: is like kids getting literally pissed and shipped on and
Speaker 3: some I think it was actually in McGowan's blog about
Speaker 3: this kid that was locked in the box. I can't
Speaker 3: remember all the details, like.
Speaker 1: Thrash it was. He had a whole chapter on it
Speaker 1: directly with the Laurel Canyon and like Manson and then
Speaker 1: some some band.
Speaker 6: That you know, not to get back to, like the
Speaker 6: piss and ship stuff, But that didn't come up. That
Speaker 6: did come up. That did come up in one of
Speaker 6: Paul Bonacci's story, not to him, but the chick I
Speaker 6: forgot the girl that he was with a lot. They
Speaker 6: had both left one time. I think they actually got
Speaker 6: into a plane and went somewhere and they both got
Speaker 6: split apart. Yeah, when she came back into the car
Speaker 6: to get back into the riot, I mean he said
Speaker 6: she was.
Speaker 2: Just pass some shit.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think that's where isn't that the story
Speaker 3: where Hunter S Thompson gets involved?
Speaker 1: Is he king?
Speaker 2: I mean he's he was, he'd spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time in the Bay and LA but yeah, the Bonazzi
Speaker 2: stuff about him, and McGowan was convinced that Hunter s
Speaker 2: Thompson was one of the bad ones. I listened to
Speaker 2: an interview where you can just hear the heartbreak in
Speaker 2: his voice and I feel the same way like that
Speaker 2: one's kind of hard to swallow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hunter s Thompson, he's no good.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean the more I look into it,
Speaker 2: the more I don't want to, but I can't stop.
Speaker 2: We're actually going to do a huge episode on him.
Speaker 1: He's literally the model Nightmare neighbor. He's literally just like
Speaker 1: taking his forty four and just like unloading it at
Speaker 1: the neighbor and running a sheriff. Yeah, s eriff and
Speaker 1: shaved his head and he had like the what was
Speaker 1: it the payote button logo for the sheriff.
Speaker 8: And well that's another up there is in Aspen, Aspen
Speaker 8: and Boulder, they're connected and they have the same kind
Speaker 8: of thing.
Speaker 4: Glenn Fry from The Eagles.
Speaker 8: Was up there and a lot of weird stuff like that,
Speaker 8: like he had a pass from a lot to do
Speaker 8: whatever he wanted to do up there.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and Bill Murray and Brian Doyle Murray were
Speaker 2: hanging out with Hunter S. Thompson quite a bit too.
Speaker 3: So that sucks, That really sucks. I love Bill Murray.
Speaker 3: Colby told me that he fucked his.
Speaker 2: Cat Hunter S. Thompson. So do you guys know this
Speaker 2: story about the Screwjack Postge my gosh.
Speaker 3: You guys are gonna fucking throw Well.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, I was a huge Hunter S.
Speaker 2: Thompson fan. I read everything I could get my hands on.
Speaker 2: And not long after he died, they published this like
Speaker 2: collection of short stories called Screwjack. And you all know
Speaker 2: about how he kind of, oh, this is fiction, but
Speaker 2: is it with fear and loathing and all that. I mean,
Speaker 2: he knows that he has to claim that it's satire,
Speaker 2: and but it's a first person account about him fucking
Speaker 2: his cat. And I read that and just kind of
Speaker 2: does the cats on the cover the cats on the
Speaker 2: cover of the book too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a cute cat. I've seen a million
Speaker 3: cats like that. It's a little black cat. Yeah, do
Speaker 3: you believe it.
Speaker 2: Though, no, I can't. I gotta wonder.
Speaker 8: Well as far as as far as counterculture, I mean
Speaker 8: who he was huge and drugs and especially the Hell's
Speaker 8: Angel Like, he broadcasted that and made it popular, so
Speaker 8: that whole counterculture movement would and the Hell's Angels wouldn't
Speaker 8: be nearly as popular if you didn't write that book
Speaker 8: and show up on that TV show where.
Speaker 2: The one Yeah, and let's not forget that Adrena Chrome
Speaker 2: was published in the ninety teen seventy two novel where
Speaker 2: you know it kind of faded away. We didn't really
Speaker 2: know about it. I mean you can look into the
Speaker 2: history of it and it's all pretty credible. But then
Speaker 2: he brought it into mainstream culture and then again with
Speaker 2: the movie in the nineties with Johnny Depp.
Speaker 1: I mean that I remember being a kid and I
Speaker 1: used to be obsessed with looking up different drugs for
Speaker 1: some reason. I would look up every drug possible and
Speaker 1: what they did and everything. And I remember watching Fear
Speaker 1: and Loathing in Las Vegas and here, oh, what's that one?
Speaker 1: Let me read that one up? And I remember looking
Speaker 1: it up on like eroid dot org or whatever nice
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of interesting stuff back then.
Speaker 1: It was like two thousand and five, two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: I Love, I Love, and then like a lot of
Speaker 1: that disappeared.
Speaker 3: What did it say?
Speaker 1: Just all kinds of stuff like the different doctors and
Speaker 1: alkaloids and like different experiments that are we're done with
Speaker 1: it and area real kinds of detailed information. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it would also say that it's mainly only was
Speaker 1: talked about in that book, and that's was like where
Speaker 1: it was first heard of really in the public.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Well, I think if we're going to talk
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon stuff, we should also mention actors from the
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon, because I don't think we did that last
Speaker 3: time we covered the canyon, did we.
Speaker 2: I think we skimmed it a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think I have a list.
Speaker 5: Oh, go ahead, as you look, as you look up
Speaker 5: a list. I wanted to kind of mention something that
Speaker 5: about Frank Zappa. I don't know if if y'all have
Speaker 5: already mentioned this before, but did y'all know about his dad,
Speaker 5: Frank Zappa's dad M. H. Edward Arsenal, Yeah, yep, And
Speaker 5: so he he actually was like a metallurgist for Lockheed
Speaker 5: and Convet Aircraft corporates as well. And during this time,
Speaker 5: that's when Edgewood was also affiliated with mk OH I'm
Speaker 5: sure one time, and they were running Elis experiments at
Speaker 5: the same time. So it's just pretty interesting that you
Speaker 5: have that and then you have Frank Zappa kind of
Speaker 5: show up and then this whole psychedelic scene. But the
Speaker 5: other thing is Zappa's wife was also intelligence, so she
Speaker 5: came from a long line of intelligence people as well.
Speaker 5: And then you know, you go down the whole list
Speaker 5: of I think it was like his manager. If you
Speaker 5: already mentioned this, I apologize. He was like a gun
Speaker 5: runner in the Caribbean. I mean, just what was his name,
Speaker 5: his manner Cohen? Yeah, I do remember that from the
Speaker 5: book her Cohen. And there wasn't there another one though,
Speaker 5: a Rothschild, though.
Speaker 2: The Paula Rothschild currently discovered them and I think he
Speaker 2: was Electure records.
Speaker 1: But Frank Zappa, he even claimed like when his dad
Speaker 1: worked at Edgewood Arsenal and they were there, that he
Speaker 1: had horrible problems breathing and he had horrible coughing problems
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And then when they moved to California.
Speaker 1: A lot of that cleared up. But then famously, Frank
Speaker 1: Zappa died horribly of cancer ainus cancer. Yeah, ainus cancer. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: So is he breathing through his assent?
Speaker 3: He was doing all kinds of stuff with his ass
Speaker 3: If you ask me, everybody.
Speaker 5: Weren't wasn't Wasn't this where they were developing all the
Speaker 5: nerve gases saren and orange and all that other stuff
Speaker 5: to be later used in Vietnam. This was at that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my notes say that his dad was the head
Speaker 3: of operation what is this chemical Warfare and mk ultra
Speaker 3: operations at the experimental Edgewood Arsenal Facility. That's what I
Speaker 3: have in my notes. But you were talking about his wife,
Speaker 3: And actually John Phillips's wife was a direct descendant of
Speaker 3: President John Adams. And I think his John Phillips's sister
Speaker 3: was a career employee of the Pentagon. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, all these guys, it's like, and I said
Speaker 3: about Crosby earlier, like his family tree goes back to
Speaker 3: like signers of the Declaration of Independence, high ranking Mason's
Speaker 3: people were paying to like have his baby, weren't they? Like,
Speaker 3: please nut inside me please nut inside me.
Speaker 1: But I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what's going on with them.
Speaker 5: Ye, and the whole my whole point. And I know
Speaker 5: everybody said this already. I know in every Laurel Canyon
Speaker 5: stuff they keep saying this. But if if you have
Speaker 5: a bunch of military brats, right, because that's what they were,
Speaker 5: and they all move to an area where it's an
Speaker 5: air Force base, Lookout Mountain, and then you have all
Speaker 5: of these I don't know oops coming out of Lookout
Speaker 5: Mountain that were influencing the culture. I think they just
Speaker 5: diversified their portfolio, like Nick said, well, manipulating society.
Speaker 8: So a part of the book is so back then
Speaker 8: almost everybody or there was a good percentage chance that
Speaker 8: you were going to get drafted. And whether you made
Speaker 8: it or not through the medical and all that, that's
Speaker 8: another thing. But at least being drafted huge likelihood. And
Speaker 8: he went through and none of the people in Laurel
Speaker 8: Canyon got drafted. So it seems like these high ranking
Speaker 8: people found, you know, creative ways of getting their kids
Speaker 8: not to get slaughtered.
Speaker 3: Or maybe they were drafted but in different capacities, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like they were drafted, but they
Speaker 3: were carrying out a different operation and they were very useful. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they were very useful. So there was no way that
Speaker 3: they were going to like ship them off somewhere. They
Speaker 3: were doing a great job here, you know, at home.
Speaker 1: Well remember they did that with Elvis, They had him
Speaker 1: all dressed up in the military and army and everything,
Speaker 1: and then they did that with Jimmy Hendricks as well.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: And Elvis was literally an agent.
Speaker 3: He was a.
Speaker 8: DA agent, And people go through these books and they're like, oh,
Speaker 8: it's just you know, some goofy thing he did because
Speaker 8: he has that much clout.
Speaker 4: But he was deputized in like several agencies.
Speaker 3: I mean, so isn't that where he met Priscilla too?
Speaker 3: In Germany?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: No, isn't that like Priscilla like his.
Speaker 2: Like by the way, Yeah, but think she I think
Speaker 2: she was even younger than that when the courtship.
Speaker 3: He was thirteen when the courtship began. But I swear
Speaker 3: he was he like met her while he was overseas.
Speaker 3: I want to say it brought her back.
Speaker 2: He came I think he came home on leave or
Speaker 2: something and met Priscilla I mean, it's a story.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I covered it a long time ago.
Speaker 1: But actually.
Speaker 3: I was going to have you tell your theory about
Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I think that Jack Nicholson, he's got one
Speaker 2: of the most intriguing stories out of any of the
Speaker 2: Hollywood guys come out. Yeah, but he's because he was
Speaker 2: definitely kind of not huge when he was doing his
Speaker 2: acting in the beginning. And the story is is that
Speaker 2: he decided to become more of a producer and then
Speaker 2: Rip Torn had a schedule conflict when they were doing
Speaker 2: Easy Writer, and so they got Nicholson, and then that
Speaker 2: role helped him blow up. But his story is so
Speaker 2: similar to Ted Bundy's, like with him being raised by
Speaker 2: a grandmother that he thinks is his mother and his
Speaker 2: sister is actually his mom. No birth certificate, no birth certificate.
Speaker 2: But we were covering Ted Bundy and ever since, you know,
Speaker 2: probably like the last five years or so, when I've
Speaker 2: started to think a lot of this stuff is just bullshit.
Speaker 1: Stage to that.
Speaker 2: Syops, I thought there was an interview with Ted Bundy.
Speaker 2: I think it was in Colorado, and I swear it
Speaker 2: to Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's compelling.
Speaker 2: It's it.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see the movie psych Out with Jack Nicholson?
Speaker 2: Is that one of the like the ones he made
Speaker 2: with Fonda and Dennis Hopper before they did Easy Writer,
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Like it's like a it's like an acid movie through
Speaker 1: the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of worked their way up to Easy Writer,
Speaker 2: which to me, I love Easy Rider. That was one
Speaker 2: of my favorite.
Speaker 1: And then he also he also did a biker movie too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wasn't that Easy Rider?
Speaker 1: No, I mean not a different one if it's almost
Speaker 1: like Hell's Angels kind of thing. Really, it was called
Speaker 1: Hell's Angels.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't remember.
Speaker 2: He played the joker too, Oh, yeah he did.
Speaker 3: I think Jack Nicholson is probably one of the most
Speaker 3: well known out of the list. I mean maybe my
Speaker 3: list is Jack Nicholson, Warren Bady, Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda, Salminio,
Speaker 3: and James Dean, which there's a whole thing about James
Speaker 3: Dean too. I can't remember what it is though he
Speaker 3: was gay.
Speaker 2: Right and uh was he gay? I know Montgomery Clips.
Speaker 3: I remember reading something in the Gallas Rock Hudson was gay.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe they all.
Speaker 3: Were who they're and they're gay together.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the list is. But you got to throw
Speaker 2: Roman Plansky in there, a one hundred Roman. He's not
Speaker 2: an actor.
Speaker 3: But you should also didn't say your theory about the
Speaker 3: the Tate murders being staged.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I've just come to the point where I think a
Speaker 2: lot of these things never really happened, and the Lobbianca
Speaker 2: ones I think probably get overlooked a lot just because
Speaker 2: of the you know, the scope of the Tate killings.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I can't be convinced after reading
Speaker 2: everything about Laurel Canyon and who her dad was and
Speaker 2: the way they blew it up. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: how I also don't think the West Memphis three thing
Speaker 2: even is real. It just seems like they take these
Speaker 2: moments in time to really shift everything, and I really
Speaker 2: don't think they would have to kill anybody Oftentimes.
Speaker 5: You think it was like a Hollywood stage, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, Hollywood is CIA, CIA is Hollywood. Throw Disney
Speaker 2: in there. Laurel Kanson stuff. Sharon Tates that I don't
Speaker 2: remember if what branch and military he was, but he
Speaker 2: kind of came in and just took over after it happened,
Speaker 2: And I mean, they just all the stuff they found
Speaker 2: that the Polansky household it if she is dead. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of on the fence about it, but if
Speaker 2: I had to say, you know, life or death situation,
Speaker 2: gun to head, I would say that they staged a
Speaker 2: lot of it. Yeah, and the Polansky Nicholson connection is
Speaker 2: huge too, and that's whose house the hot tub incident
Speaker 2: happened with the girl, you know, the whole reason they
Speaker 2: had to extradite him, or not extradite, but move him
Speaker 2: over to France. So a lot of the Hollywood stuff
Speaker 2: really goes overlooked when we talk about Laurel Cannons just
Speaker 2: because the music scenes huge, way easier to get kind
Speaker 2: of engulfed in. But a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 2: is the darkest was gone on with the movie stars.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, Lookout Mountain had stated the art equipment and that's
Speaker 8: where they were filming nuclear films, right for the nuclear blasts.
Speaker 3: And that's what they said officially. I think they were
Speaker 3: doing a lot of stuff unofficially that will never know
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: They say that's where they like developed the films.
Speaker 1: Okay, then why.
Speaker 3: Did Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 2: Have top Well, what he's saying I always thought that
Speaker 2: those things looked like a model.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they look fake and gay.
Speaker 2: And that's where they're probably filming all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: And like, if Kubrick really did film the moon landing,
Speaker 2: if it was him or somebody else that lookout, that's
Speaker 2: probably where they would have done it.
Speaker 3: I mean, Marilyn Monroe, she was one of the astronauts.
Speaker 4: Frank Sinatra, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra had top apparents.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know why I'm blanking Oh Sebring, J Sebring.
Speaker 1: I brought it up last time, but you have to
Speaker 1: watch the J. Sebring documentary. It's interesting.
Speaker 3: Where can we find it?
Speaker 1: It was just on Amazon when it came out, and
Speaker 1: I think I readed it for like two or three bucks.
Speaker 1: It's just called J.
Speaker 3: Sebring or what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just about it's about him. It's a it's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting, but they it. It has the lawyer and everything,
Speaker 1: and it kind of talks about he was saying that
Speaker 1: Sharon was trying to divorce Polanski and that she was
Speaker 1: trying to get back with Seabring, and it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: I found it interesting anyway. But the only problem again,
Speaker 1: it just adds to the case you're like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Now here's this Yeah, right, I know, But isn't j C.
Speaker 3: Bring the one that used to cut Jim Morrison's hair?
Speaker 5: Jase?
Speaker 1: I mean he was the jer Sinatra, Sinatra, Sammy Davis,
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, all those people, almost anybody that what's his
Speaker 1: what's his name? Steve McQueen was like his best friend? Mmm?
Speaker 3: Was Natalie Wood Laurel Canyon? I mean I think like
Speaker 3: Laurel Kenyon adjacent definitely, because I know she was tight
Speaker 3: with Warren Batty. Who is Laurel Canyon? And that I
Speaker 3: did an episode a long time ago on like how
Speaker 3: weird her death was too.
Speaker 2: Because well a lot of people watched Once upon a
Speaker 2: Time in Hollywood with the Brad Pitt out on the
Speaker 2: boat with the harpoon thing, and because they maybe killed
Speaker 2: his wife, that that was a nod to Natalie Wood, right, situation.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that, but I mean, yeah, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of suspicious, weird stuff about what happened to her,
Speaker 3: because wasn't who was.
Speaker 1: On the boat, right, I can't remember the other her
Speaker 1: husband and they got an argument or something. She had
Speaker 1: hung out with Christopher walking all day or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what it was and he was on the boat.
Speaker 3: I do remember that, but gosh, I wish I could
Speaker 3: remember from that episode. But there was like even like
Speaker 3: a witness or something that saw her, like in the
Speaker 3: water screaming for help, and nobody would throw her a floaty.
Speaker 3: I mean, she couldn't swim, so but I couldn't remember
Speaker 3: if she was Laurel Canyon or like Laurel Canyon adjacent.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that McGowan does bring her up
Speaker 2: in the book.
Speaker 3: He also brings up Phil Hartman too.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Phil Hartman's an interesting one just because of I don't
Speaker 2: remember exactly what he was doing, but he ended up
Speaker 2: being like the guy who designed a lot of the logos, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: did some album cover artwork.
Speaker 3: He came up with Crosby Stills in Nash logo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think his death is really suspicious. I
Speaker 2: used to just buy the story.
Speaker 3: But his wife shot him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I heard someone talking about it once
Speaker 2: and then when they said that she used to step
Speaker 2: down to kill herself, then she used to kill him.
Speaker 2: That right there was like, Okay, you got to look
Speaker 2: into this one because there's a lot of fuck you
Speaker 2: have foot on that one. And he was around all
Speaker 2: these guys when he was really young.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can't remember where what part of the block.
Speaker 3: I think it was like on the last page or something.
Speaker 3: He talks about like Phil Hartman and some people who
Speaker 3: were like distantly related to the Canyon. I think that's
Speaker 3: when Natalie Wood comes up. But I mean, I feel
Speaker 3: like I've asked everybody except for Mike and Thrash who
Speaker 3: their favorite Laurel Canyon people. Did I ask you, Lisa?
Speaker 1: You did?
Speaker 2: I did ask your favorite?
Speaker 5: Oh and you said yes, I said, I mean I
Speaker 5: like them, yes, But I think, like I said, Joni Mitchell,
Speaker 5: all right, Yeah, that's what she said, because he really
Speaker 5: talks about them. They're kind of in the background, probably
Speaker 5: watching it all happen now.
Speaker 4: Eric Clapton all day. For me, I love Eric Clapton.
Speaker 3: Is that what Nick landed on to?
Speaker 2: I think so yes.
Speaker 3: That leaves Thrash.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's either Frank Zappa or Jim Morrison, like
Speaker 1: I'm but I have more Jim Morrison books. But I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm more into Frank Zappa's music. I feel
Speaker 1: like Frank Zappa actually said a lot with his music,
Speaker 1: like he was kind of exposing a lot of MK
Speaker 1: ulture and stuff in my opinion, even though he was
Speaker 1: still kind of a garbage guy.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. Yeah, well the best ones are what was it,
Speaker 3: mothers of invention.
Speaker 1: But he started he like gave like so many good
Speaker 1: musicians got their start through Frank Zappa.
Speaker 2: Un as far as just like musically speaking, he was
Speaker 2: so extimental and I think he's probably influenced so many
Speaker 2: people that probably wouldn't be playing music today. He's definitely
Speaker 2: he's eccentric.
Speaker 1: He literally has albums called Shut Up and Play Your Guitar,
Speaker 1: and it's there's like four or five albums and they're
Speaker 1: literally nothing but guitar solos. It's just it's a band
Speaker 1: and just him just shredding for twenty minutes, I think.
Speaker 1: But like Terry Bosio, he would always somehow find child prodigies.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, like Terry Bozio is probably the one
Speaker 1: of the greatest drummers ever and he started with Frank Zappa.
Speaker 1: Steve I started with Frank Zappa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't Crosby Stils and Nash start with him.
Speaker 1: One jammed, He jammed with everybody and uh, Frank Zappa
Speaker 1: even had like a beef with John Lennon because you
Speaker 1: could find a little clip of him talking crap. So
Speaker 1: they did like a live show with you go oh
Speaker 1: and John Lennon and Uh Zappa. They played one of
Speaker 1: Zappa's songs and then on John Lynn's album he credited
Speaker 1: hisself that they wrote the song and he changed the
Speaker 1: title and everything, so they had like bad blood. Well
Speaker 1: he just yeh frienk. Zappa was kind of outspoken. He
Speaker 1: would just kind of like if you did something like that,
Speaker 1: he would just call you out on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, who this who's this fucking Tavistock puke
Speaker 2: coming out? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say because the Beatles were at some
Speaker 3: point hanging out with them, weren't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some overlap there. I know Lennon was
Speaker 2: there quite often. There was even there's Harry Nilsen right, yep,
Speaker 2: befriended the Beatles and was there's some suspicious stuff that
Speaker 2: went on with that guy and at his.
Speaker 3: House one hundred. Wasn't that who mamma as was hanging
Speaker 3: out with when she choked on the ham sandwich? I
Speaker 3: think she did quote unquote she choked on a ham sandwich.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Mama Cass and then we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: going over to the titehouse to have a party that night.
Speaker 1: Like that was right, and that's why Steve McQueen supposedly
Speaker 1: went by and got the drugs from the house before
Speaker 1: the police got there.
Speaker 5: There is Lisa, Were you gonna screen misterang just kidding?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, I was.
Speaker 5: I think I was going to say something about something else. Oh,
Speaker 5: I was going to make a joke because you were
Speaker 5: saying bad blood. I was like Taylor Swift bad blood.
Speaker 5: It was a bad joke.
Speaker 3: No, it's a good joke. I like it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And isn't it. Did her Man win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: No, no he did not. He did not want but
Speaker 5: he did look on movie stars anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 2: I saw that.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say. Somebody posted something about Yoko Ono
Speaker 3: a comment. Oh she was a psychopath. I actually do
Speaker 3: believe that. Have you ever heard this story of like
Speaker 3: what John Lennon like what made him fall in love
Speaker 3: with her? Have you guys heard this bullshit as story?
Speaker 4: Oh guys, it's like mk Algar, you saw sees a
Speaker 4: sign and says yes or something? Right, Yeah, I watch the.
Speaker 3: Building, right he goes to like an art exhibit and
Speaker 3: all this stuff is like really dark and really like macabre,
Speaker 3: and there's like an art piece where you have to
Speaker 3: climb a ladder and go all the way to the
Speaker 3: top of the ladder to see what the art piece is.
Speaker 3: And he thought he was going to get to the
Speaker 3: top and it was going to say suck my dick
Speaker 3: or something like that, but instead it said something really
Speaker 3: beautiful and positive, and he was like, I need to
Speaker 3: meet the person who made this, and it was Yoko's
Speaker 3: bitch ass, and I guess they just fell in love
Speaker 3: after that. But this is why I say I think
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff is actually made up. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm almost ninety nine point nine percent certain that John
Speaker 3: is trans at this point because he's he's like John
Speaker 3: didn'verg He's small and dainty, kind of feminine.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people out there who say all
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Are they're all training.
Speaker 2: I can't like every s.
Speaker 3: We'll never say George is a training.
Speaker 5: I love George.
Speaker 3: George is the best beetle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think there's inversion that goes on.
Speaker 3: But at the level of Yoka was trans I.
Speaker 2: Mean I'd buy that way.
Speaker 3: Look at her. Holy shit. I was gonna say something
Speaker 3: before that though. Oh. I think my favorite out of
Speaker 3: the Laurel Canyon is the mom's in the Papas. I
Speaker 3: don't know if if Janice is the honorable mention? Is
Speaker 3: she Laurel Canyon? Oh yeah, she living really okay? Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she even died in a hotel that it
Speaker 1: was like right there in Laurel Kenyon.
Speaker 3: Is she twenty seven Clubs?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, So she supposedly died from this. She had the
Speaker 1: same heroine that suppose Jim Morrison died. They had the
Speaker 1: same heroin dealer who was the same dealer for the Stones,
Speaker 1: and that dealer ended up dying from his own stuff.
Speaker 1: He was like a French like related to French royalty,
Speaker 1: and he had like connections to Morocco and everything.
Speaker 3: And he was like shipping stuff all over I think
Speaker 3: she killed herself though.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm supposedly too.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think there was a lot of
Speaker 1: I think heroin was becoming a thing right after the as.
Speaker 1: I think she was addicted to it in my opinion,
Speaker 1: but like accidental overdose though, yeah, because his stuff was
Speaker 1: supposedly so strong that he even.
Speaker 3: Died from it, right, But they put her down as
Speaker 3: like a suicide. And I don't think she killed herself, no, Janet, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think Janice killed herself because she was about
Speaker 3: to get married. She was so happy.
Speaker 1: I could see her accidentally doing it.
Speaker 3: Maybe yes, maybe accidentally, or maybe because she's part of
Speaker 3: the twenty seventh Club, like she had it was her
Speaker 3: time to go, and they fucking set it up to
Speaker 3: make it.
Speaker 4: Look like well.
Speaker 1: There was also blind Now Wilson who was a part
Speaker 1: of Yeah, he who was also the twenty seven Club,
Speaker 1: who's directly tied into Laurel kN.
Speaker 3: I mentioned that with William Ramsey if you go on
Speaker 3: the blog. I don't know if we could do a
Speaker 3: share screen or something, but there's this whole Laurel Kenyon
Speaker 3: death list that he lists off the blog and blind
Speaker 3: Out Wilson is on there, Janie is on there, Jimmy
Speaker 3: Hendrix is on there. I mean they're all there. But
Speaker 3: it's like, it's just odd to me how many get
Speaker 3: ruled a suicide when the circumstances around the quote unquote
Speaker 3: suicide are just so suspicious. It's like there's no way,
Speaker 3: these are all fucking suicides. Like, you're not convincing me
Speaker 3: of that, no way.
Speaker 5: One thing that I thought of when you were saying
Speaker 5: twenty seven club. I mean you hear twenty seven club
Speaker 5: over and over and over, right, But you know what,
Speaker 5: people haven't talked about people who die at seventy two?
Speaker 3: Seventy two?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because twenty so maybe that long out of the
Speaker 5: Laurel Canyon. John Wayne was seventy two, and so is
Speaker 5: Frank Sinatra ew Old Blue Eyes.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say louied, but I think he was
Speaker 2: seventy one. Well, I always liked the ones that died
Speaker 2: either twenty six or twenty eight because it's like, uh,
Speaker 2: you almost had it.
Speaker 3: I think anybody who dies in their twenties, well, I
Speaker 3: mean you could do Phoenix.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of It's like twenty six to thirty
Speaker 2: two is the one where it's basically all of them,
Speaker 2: like how old?
Speaker 3: What wasn't Kurt thirty three?
Speaker 1: Who Kurt Kobe?
Speaker 2: Oh he's twenty seven, he was twenty semi club?
Speaker 7: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: See, and uh, what's your name?
Speaker 2: Amy Winehouse? Yeah, Brandon Jones kind of kicked it off
Speaker 2: because they do say that what's the guy's name. Oh,
Speaker 2: I used to love him, did the he had the
Speaker 2: Crossroads legend. He was a blues guitarist.
Speaker 4: Oh is Robert Johnson?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert Johnsonson.
Speaker 3: It was twenty seven, wasn't he the O G twenty
Speaker 3: seventh club though, that's why they put it in O Brother,
Speaker 3: We're arty. I sold my soul to the devil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was supposed like the first one. Yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: He taught me how to play this guitar reel.
Speaker 2: I read a book a while back that kind of
Speaker 2: tied some old classical little European musicians into it too.
Speaker 2: There's a number.
Speaker 3: Really what I mean? I guess do you think it's real?
Speaker 7: Though?
Speaker 2: It's the real as we wanted to be.
Speaker 3: How old was Selena? She was young, twenty two.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's like Amy Winehouse is a
Speaker 1: part of it.
Speaker 3: Midsomar all the elders die at seventy two. That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Over there, con cocted some ship.
Speaker 6: I was sorry. I was like, I found that. I
Speaker 6: found the definitely oh cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if you look on there, Nick, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you can share screen or not, but there are
Speaker 3: so many deaths that get ruled a suicide out of
Speaker 3: the canyon, and a lot of them have like real
Speaker 3: weird like circumstances around the suicide. Like do you did
Speaker 3: you listen to that episode I did with William Ramsey?
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Like it's like, oh, it was ruled the suicide, but.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, one of their lot, the Brothers band, one
Speaker 2: of the guys gotten a wipeout and his motorcycle at
Speaker 2: an intersection, and then it was like almost a year
Speaker 2: I think it was almost a year later they the
Speaker 2: other guy did it too, and they said his was
Speaker 2: a suicide, right, see what I mean, like her purpose
Speaker 2: because he was so depressed about his bandmate dying.
Speaker 4: You know what I think, if.
Speaker 3: They're gonna rule some of these suicides would have been
Speaker 3: an interesting one with Mama cass As. She killed herself
Speaker 3: on a ham sand which just to like humiliate because
Speaker 3: they always made fun of how fat she was.
Speaker 2: Oh she lost all the weight by then.
Speaker 5: I wonder, you know, how like they had a scribbled
Speaker 5: pig on Sharon Tates thing the whole ham pork old.
Speaker 2: Shoes, especially because she was supposed to be there that night.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you think that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: Oh, that is so crazy.
Speaker 2: You left out Piggy. We'll get you at the ham sandwich.
Speaker 1: Well, there's there's a cure.
Speaker 3: Was black and honey baked for sure.
Speaker 1: There's speculation that it doesn't say pig, that it says pick,
Speaker 1: as in Pick Dawson, who was supposed to be one
Speaker 1: of the drug dealers.
Speaker 3: Mmm. I like the pig better because it makes Mama
Speaker 3: Cassa's ham sandwich makes more sense. But I also think
Speaker 3: that they just put a sacrificial pig. All right, Terresa,
Speaker 3: she's on one Where.
Speaker 8: The fuck are you?
Speaker 3: By the way, she's in the commons section.
Speaker 5: But she can't drill up, I know.
Speaker 3: But there was a story about Mama cass where it
Speaker 3: was like they met her because she was like working
Speaker 3: at a bar or something, and like you know the
Speaker 3: story I always tell she got like bonked on the
Speaker 3: head by a pipe and then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: she could just start singing real good and they But
Speaker 3: the real story is they grew up with her on
Speaker 3: a military base. They were friends with her from childhood.
Speaker 2: Nick Morrison was in her kindergarten class.
Speaker 3: So the whole pipe and getting balked and but it's
Speaker 3: like I said that, it's not like they're talentless, like.
Speaker 2: They know, they wouldn't pick talentless people.
Speaker 1: That Bob Dylan got in like a motorcycle or a
Speaker 1: car accident, and he claimed that his voice got was
Speaker 1: better after the car accident.
Speaker 2: Or well they could only improve Oh god, I was
Speaker 2: going to say, was that be improved? And I'm above
Speaker 2: sh I'm a Bob Dylan fan. I think the guy
Speaker 2: can sing when he wants to.
Speaker 3: Did you hear him in that Michael Jackson song We
Speaker 3: Are the World?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's that. I think he can write
Speaker 3: very well, but.
Speaker 2: Listen to his country stuff. He can sing?
Speaker 3: Was it before or after the accident?
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about that?
Speaker 5: Was he Laurel Canyon?
Speaker 1: I mean, my grandpa always used to make fun of
Speaker 1: him because he thought he couldn't sing, ever, and used
Speaker 1: to laugh that he used to claim that after the
Speaker 1: accident that he could sing better, And my grandpa would
Speaker 1: always make fun of Bob Dylan being able to sing
Speaker 1: after the accident.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, I guess he can technically sing,
Speaker 3: but I mean it's it's not great. I'll say that
Speaker 3: it's not great. There was another Laurel Canyon scene though,
Speaker 3: going around on the around this same time, though in
Speaker 3: Memphis and Nashville, though, wasn't there in the sixties.
Speaker 2: I've never looked into it that I know.
Speaker 3: Sean mccantucks, Yeah, Sean and I talked about it a
Speaker 3: little bit. But that's where you get like a lot
Speaker 3: of like the big country stars, and it was really
Speaker 3: like very Laurel canyonesque. How they all kind of came
Speaker 3: out together. And I think the Birds actually tried to
Speaker 3: play at somewhere in Nashville and they got like boot
Speaker 3: off the stage. And there was like this whole thing
Speaker 3: where it was trying to turn the hippie culture against
Speaker 3: the country culture and like create division because you know,
Speaker 3: at that time they were calling them long hairs and
Speaker 3: shit like that, and the country scene was like straight
Speaker 3: laced and clean cut, and it was like hippies are
Speaker 3: trying to infiltrate, and like the whole country scene versus
Speaker 3: the hip scene was like divide and conquered.
Speaker 2: Neil Young and Leonard Skinner too, Remember the end of
Speaker 2: Easy Rider.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're riding through the South and they.
Speaker 2: Lucases look alike picks him off with the shot.
Speaker 3: A bunch of hippies, right, So, I mean I think
Speaker 3: that it was kind of like I think Nick asked earlier,
Speaker 3: what do you think that they were trying to accomplish
Speaker 3: with this? And I think they had so many games
Speaker 3: running on people at the same time, like country music scene,
Speaker 3: hippie culture, and like the serial killers started popping up
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. It was just such a time to
Speaker 3: be alive. I'm surprised anybody fucking made.
Speaker 1: It out a little bit before the hippie scene. Was
Speaker 1: the beat nick scene?
Speaker 2: Yeah? She mentioned Los Alamos earlier. Who was it?
Speaker 4: You said?
Speaker 2: One of the beat Knicks came out of there?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 2: Burrows?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 5: What again?
Speaker 2: Maybe william S Burrow's.
Speaker 1: Burrows was also big into occultism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Burrows was famous for chaos matt and stuff, and
Speaker 1: he had a method of writing where he and David
Speaker 1: Bowie used this to actually create his lyrics, where you
Speaker 1: basically cut random words out and you just place him
Speaker 1: and the chaos basically is what creates the lyrics. And
Speaker 1: there's a whole video of David Bowie demonstrating how he
Speaker 1: does it and how you do it, and how he
Speaker 1: got it from WILLIAMS. Burrows.
Speaker 4: What should me?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'll get you the name of
Speaker 1: it here. I can't remember the name of it.
Speaker 6: He sent it to me and I watched that.
Speaker 5: Actually they had and it was I think it was
Speaker 5: an old boys school initially, if not in its entirety,
Speaker 5: but they had something and it was like ages twelve
Speaker 5: to eighteen or something, but they had something kind of
Speaker 5: like akin to the Boy Scouts, and that when you
Speaker 5: graduated from high school you would basically obtain first rank
Speaker 5: in the Boy Scouts, or it was a requirement to
Speaker 5: graduate to have a rank in the Boy Scouts at
Speaker 5: this school in Los Alamos. But yeah, it was Roy Chapman,
Speaker 5: who basically was CEO of American Motor Corporation, Stirling Colegate,
Speaker 5: which you know, we know that is William S. Burrows
Speaker 5: Bill Veeck, which was the owner of the Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 5: He also had Gorbadal, who was grandson of Senator Thomas Gore.
Speaker 3: Arthur Robertses for saying like Colegate as in.
Speaker 1: Toothpaste, like a folder like Abigail Folger.
Speaker 3: So the toothpaste guy.
Speaker 5: He was one of the family members nothing the Colgate
Speaker 5: but he.
Speaker 3: Got I swear to god, there's an episode of Ghost
Speaker 3: Adventures about him. There we go shitting what were.
Speaker 5: They So it came out I think when they were
Speaker 5: doing an expose a on what was the name of
Speaker 5: Susan Jiski from YouTube or something. This YouTube video is
Speaker 5: gonna get cut for sure. Her Anne Woujiske, who is
Speaker 5: the owner or the developer of twenty three a meters,
Speaker 5: was the ex wife of serge A Brinn, who was
Speaker 5: the guy who invented a Google. Okay, well, they were
Speaker 5: talking about Anne and Susan's mom or grandmother, that she
Speaker 5: was kind of like the mom to all of these
Speaker 5: people in big tech, and that you could basically link
Speaker 5: back all the founders of big tech type things, whether
Speaker 5: you know, name it, they had a connection to their mom,
Speaker 5: and that all of them, somehow or another exposed their
Speaker 5: children to some sort of mk ultra program because they themselves,
Speaker 5: as mothers or whatever were exposed as well. And so
Speaker 5: got I mean thinking, if this happened with big tech,
Speaker 5: surely this happened with the musician cub celebrities, or the
Speaker 5: movie celebrities, or even with the military. And I think
Speaker 5: this is just a continuation of this is what's happening,
Speaker 5: this is what's in our family. So I don't think
Speaker 5: it's far fetched at all to think that these children
Speaker 5: were exposed or brought up within that same framework.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I find it over and over again,
Speaker 3: even the episode we just did Lisa about Adolfo, Like,
Speaker 3: is it's generational for sure? I mean that will come
Speaker 3: out of the fucking woodwork, like they'd make you believe,
Speaker 3: and you know they're just you know, crazy people that
Speaker 3: came out of nowhere. But I mean that, So we
Speaker 3: got the toothpaste guy and the guy and somehow David
Speaker 3: Bowen learned after somebody burrows Jesus correct.
Speaker 1: And the technique that Williams burrows. It's called the cut
Speaker 1: up technique and it's like a chaos magic technique and
Speaker 1: David Bowie almost exclusively used it in the seventies for
Speaker 1: his lyrics.
Speaker 3: So that what's that one song that he is just
Speaker 3: like completely while all of his songs are.
Speaker 1: But so he would like take his diary or like
Speaker 1: his like future thoughts, and then he would just randomly
Speaker 1: cut the words out from that and then he said
Speaker 1: that like it would like tell his future and all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: Is there life on Mars. I never did understand that motherfucker.
Speaker 3: But it's still like, what were you saying about David
Speaker 3: Bowie the other day, Like he didn't believe in whatever,
Speaker 3: Like he sold an image to people that he did.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he kind of had some stuff
Speaker 2: he was saying at the end of his life where
Speaker 2: he's so it reminds me of Kurt Cobain. He was
Speaker 2: so willing to make it and get famous that he
Speaker 2: embraced all of the dark shit. And I think he
Speaker 2: kind of had a you know, I regret later in
Speaker 2: life because he said some things and I can't think
Speaker 2: of exactly what it was, just that he was kind
Speaker 2: of sorry that he did. But yeah, Bowie and Burrows.
Speaker 2: Some of the stuff you're just saying. It reminds me
Speaker 2: of Rick Rubin, like some of his techniques that he'll
Speaker 2: use in recording studios. Right, he's a I mean, if
Speaker 2: you can name like somebody famous out of the last
Speaker 2: forty years, he probably had a hand in it.
Speaker 3: He writes songs.
Speaker 5: No, he's he's a bolster Stanford. But he now has
Speaker 5: a podcast, right, what is it Tetragramaton or something?
Speaker 4: Like that.
Speaker 1: Oh I've never heard yeah, yeah, yeah, I have never.
Speaker 1: William S Burrows would record messages and words, right, he
Speaker 1: would just record gibberish and random words and everything, and
Speaker 1: then he would cut the field and then put it
Speaker 1: together and then the random words wouldn't mean something. That's
Speaker 1: where it comes from. So that's where Rick Rubin is
Speaker 1: hitting that. He's like he would he cuts, like he'll
Speaker 1: just record random stuff and then they'll they'll cut parts
Speaker 1: of that out and then place it and make a
Speaker 1: whole song out of randomness.
Speaker 3: Basically, No, I mean it makes sense to me. Like
Speaker 3: I said before, is their life on Mars. I fucking
Speaker 3: love that song, but it makes zero sense you know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, watch the video on it's on YouTube, David
Speaker 1: Bowie talking about cut up technique. It's literally like a
Speaker 1: minute a minute long, and you can see there's like
Speaker 1: lines of coke on the table and everything while he's
Speaker 1: talking about it.
Speaker 3: Well, what do you think about them saying stuff about
Speaker 3: like and this could be all made up? But they
Speaker 3: take like the master and they do these rituals on
Speaker 3: it and they as produce it. So anytime you listen
Speaker 3: to it, you're getting demonized, and do you guys think
Speaker 3: that there's something to that or like, what what are
Speaker 3: your thoughts?
Speaker 6: I think so I have heard that supposedly sometimes these
Speaker 6: records even get pressed depending on astrological times.
Speaker 3: Right, okay, so you do think like because I can't
Speaker 3: remember who it was, but it was like a guy
Speaker 3: who said they would take like the master and they
Speaker 3: would take it into like a secret room and they
Speaker 3: would have like a literal ritual and they would infuse
Speaker 3: it with I don't know, I mean, you've heard this right.
Speaker 1: Enough to ever really I had the video said, I'll
Speaker 1: give you the name of the guy.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what I'm talking about specifically, Okay.
Speaker 6: One thing that I I all right, I'll put it
Speaker 6: this way. I would not doubt that happens with music
Speaker 6: because of just the simple fact Lon Milo Duquette comes
Speaker 6: out and emits I'm pretty sure in his book, are
Speaker 6: on a podcast that he did that with this tarot deck.
Speaker 6: It's sell more tarot. That dude's doing it. Why wouldn't
Speaker 6: the people be doing it with other products?
Speaker 3: Right? Or like if you I think it's like if
Speaker 3: you play them backwards or something, there's like hidden messages.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a whole other thing. Like I know
Speaker 2: the Beatles were experimenting with that. Apparently there's some indication
Speaker 2: that they admit that Paul died.
Speaker 3: God they need to admit it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's the whole Stairway to Heaven thing
Speaker 2: where if you play spring Clean for the may Queen backwards,
Speaker 2: it's something about my sweet Satan, Oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that stuff you could just
Speaker 2: kind of happen upon. But I mean they were doing
Speaker 2: it well.
Speaker 1: Like Danzick on the on the first album. If like
Speaker 1: the song Possessed, if you play it backwards, it's there's
Speaker 1: a Latin exorcism prayer if you play the record backwards,
Speaker 1: like legit Yeah, the song Possessed, if you play it backwards,
Speaker 1: it's legitimately a Latin exorcism prayer.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, but it actually says words when it's playing.
Speaker 1: It's actually the actual exorcism prayer. Okay, does it sound
Speaker 1: like song is supposed to be like summoning a demon
Speaker 1: and if you play it backwards, you're you're doing the
Speaker 1: exorcism prayer. Basic remind me never.
Speaker 3: To download that ship.
Speaker 2: We could go get the viyball, I don't want it.
Speaker 2: So is that misfits or solo stuff?
Speaker 1: It's the first album, the one with Mother and Twisted Game.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you might have that one.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, but that that's that song is very
Speaker 7: creepy if you play it backwards, so sounds like it.
Speaker 3: Somebody wrote in the comment that they also watched that.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was an interview or what
Speaker 3: it was. It was a recording of that producer who
Speaker 3: said they take the master and they put I guess
Speaker 3: they cast spells on it, is what they said in
Speaker 3: the comments.
Speaker 6: I think I put it up actually earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard it on Instagram, so it must be true, right,
Speaker 3: I hear all kinds of stuff on Instagram these days.
Speaker 6: So did do you think if this well one? I
Speaker 6: actually do agree with some of these people. I think,
Speaker 6: like I wouldn't say act well kind of actors, yeah,
Speaker 6: or I think they're put out there. They might actually
Speaker 6: have somewhat talent and they you know, perform, but I
Speaker 6: think sometimes like their life story and how it ended,
Speaker 6: I think could be fabricated.
Speaker 3: Mean too, yeah, because it's like would they be as
Speaker 3: famous as they are if they didn't die in like
Speaker 3: some tragic way like Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: they might, they might still be famous. Oh would you say,
Speaker 3: Mike Right, It's like would they be who they are
Speaker 3: if they didn't. It's like part of the deal that
Speaker 3: they have to die in this horrible way to like.
Speaker 2: I don't know. When we're talking to John Gusty, who
Speaker 2: she mentioned earlier, he's worked in like on the production
Speaker 2: end of music, and he says that he's witnessed straight
Speaker 2: up that the artist wants to step away and they're
Speaker 2: given some options like we can fake your death, you
Speaker 2: can be replaced by somebody who looks just like you,
Speaker 2: or you know, you die and you don't get any
Speaker 2: of the royalties, but you have to take a different name. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I don't know. I think like there's some
Speaker 2: interesting ones. I don't think Morgan Freeman was Jimmy Hendrix,
Speaker 2: but one that I like that within the last couple
Speaker 2: of years Morrison becoming Rush Limbaugh. That one's kind of
Speaker 2: fun because if you I mean, I I do think
Speaker 2: that Bill Hicks is Alex Jones. And I laughed at
Speaker 2: people when I first heard that. It's one of those
Speaker 2: that you're like, fuck off, because I love both of them.
Speaker 2: I did, like right around the early two thousands and
Speaker 2: Bill hicks Man forever. But I do think that they
Speaker 2: do really do stuff like that. So yeah, who knows
Speaker 2: what really happens, and maybe some of them do get
Speaker 2: killed because they don't want to play.
Speaker 3: Well, if you had to put a percentage on it,
Speaker 3: like how many of these people actually die, are you
Speaker 3: going to say like ten percent, fifty percent die and
Speaker 3: fifty percent get repurposed. Sure, so you're saying, so you're
Speaker 3: telling me there's a chance that Janice is still alive.
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 1: Now, I love Janice, she lived.
Speaker 5: Rough, Yes she that whole like deciding that you're gone
Speaker 5: and you have whatever. I think it plays into the
Speaker 5: whole Plus Ultra Hyperspace never Land persona and you'll you
Speaker 5: all have heard of.
Speaker 3: That right kinda, I mean not really not to the
Speaker 3: degree you probably do.
Speaker 5: You know, like that movie Finding Neverland. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 5: it was like leaving this dimension or this realm and
Speaker 5: going to another realm. And that's kind of one of
Speaker 5: the I guess the founding things that there was a
Speaker 5: society called Plus Ultra that Nikola Tesla Walt Disney all
Speaker 5: these people belonged to and they believe that once they
Speaker 5: were done here, they they merited enough to leave and
Speaker 5: go into another hyperspace. So you think they're they're actually
Speaker 5: it's just a thought kind of like Atlas Rugged almost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you think like they're dead or you think
Speaker 3: they're they're repurposed, or like what do you think?
Speaker 5: I think?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it depends. It depends if they can make
Speaker 5: enough money off of them already, just as is, they'll
Speaker 5: they'll kill them off, you know, because they don't need them,
Speaker 5: or if they are some like family blood tie, then
Speaker 5: they have an option to kind of get repurposed or
Speaker 5: reabsorbed into a different thing. I think it just depends
Speaker 5: money and blood always talk.
Speaker 3: Right, right, because it's like we were saying earlier, like
Speaker 3: with like Crosby and some of these guys whose family
Speaker 3: trees go all the way back to the beginning of time.
Speaker 3: You know, if they were going to fake a suicide
Speaker 3: on him, they'd probably give him the option of like
Speaker 3: just becoming a different person or some shit. But Janis
Speaker 3: was just a drugged out crackhead, and so she you know,
Speaker 3: she probably didn't get that luxuries. They probably just killed
Speaker 3: her ass I.
Speaker 1: Got a question for you then, Okay, so if they
Speaker 1: just kill it, Yeah, So if they just kill them,
Speaker 1: all right, and then like give them a new identity
Speaker 1: or whatever, Right, why not just kill off Paul McCartney,
Speaker 1: replace him with a completely new member and make him
Speaker 1: like a complete huge legend instead of, you know, supposedly
Speaker 1: replacing him with a lookalike. And he died in a
Speaker 1: car accident everything, why cover up him? But then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like uh, James Droplin.
Speaker 3: Before I answered the question, can I ask you if
Speaker 3: you think he was replaced?
Speaker 1: I think he was replaced.
Speaker 3: I think he was replaced too. And to answer your question,
Speaker 3: I have no fucking idea.
Speaker 2: Well, that one is because if I had to think
Speaker 2: about it, you would say, like the Beatles had, there
Speaker 2: was so much stock in them at that point. And
Speaker 2: I mean, if they had this bizarre accident where it
Speaker 2: wasn't you know, it wasn't anything they planned and they
Speaker 2: wanted to keep that gravy train rolling, And if they
Speaker 2: really did replace him with I think they did. That's
Speaker 2: another one that I kind of scoffed at in the beginning. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean, shit, the guy's like just taller.
Speaker 3: He's taller, and he's a way better musician.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is they found somebody who actually
Speaker 2: was the best musician in the band all said and done. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, you listened to some of the Beatles' early
Speaker 2: stuff and Paul McCartney's baselines are okay, and he went
Speaker 2: he went from being the smiley, bubbly one you know
Speaker 2: him and Ringo up there, and he completely changed. He
Speaker 2: doesn't look the same. But yeah, I think that each
Speaker 2: situation would be unique. Like if they're the one who
Speaker 2: choose to do the replacing and killing, it seems like
Speaker 2: that one was just kind of out of their control.
Speaker 1: Well like for like Morrison, right, so for your argument,
Speaker 1: like nobody ever saw his body, right, nobody of the
Speaker 1: band members, nobody ever technically saw his body. And some
Speaker 1: of the band members even found that kind of odd,
Speaker 1: like I can't. I think it was the keyboard player.
Speaker 1: I think he was like, well, how do I know
Speaker 1: he really died? We haven't even seen him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And who else was it that they oh,
Speaker 3: like Elvis, They said there was weird stuff about like
Speaker 3: his corpse quote unquote was like melting in the casket
Speaker 3: or some shit like that. Like they were like, since
Speaker 3: Windy dead body sweat, there is just weird stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: So I just don't. That was a really good example though,
Speaker 3: like why would they replace Paul McCartney if they could just.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, I think, but if he dies tragically,
Speaker 1: look at how legendary that is, Like, but it makes
Speaker 1: so much better, right, Well.
Speaker 2: They save that for Lennon?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah they did.
Speaker 1: They ca there you go, You're right, there you go,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 3: They gave Georgia cancer death.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. I think John Lennon could be
Speaker 2: one of those that's not really dead too.
Speaker 3: Ringo wow, because he's a fucking useless asshole.
Speaker 2: He had to be on Thomas the train.
Speaker 6: That was part of his script.
Speaker 3: Lisa, were you going to say something a minute ago
Speaker 3: about this?
Speaker 4: No, I was.
Speaker 5: I was going to say something about like it wouldn't
Speaker 5: Isn't it weird? How like with Paul McCartney, he ends
Speaker 5: up owning all this music? What is it like he
Speaker 5: owns all of Frank Sinatra's music, all of the Beatles music.
Speaker 6: He was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Jackson, he was they actually helped falling out over some
Speaker 2: of that stuff, and.
Speaker 5: Apparently that he died shortly after, right. I guess the
Speaker 5: blame was that Michael Jackson had gone bankrupt and that
Speaker 5: Paul had offered to buy his music back or something,
Speaker 5: because I think Paul used to own all of Michael
Speaker 5: Jackson's right, Yeah, I remember that incorrectly.
Speaker 2: Well, Michael Jackson bought some cookoo I think, and he
Speaker 2: ended up having the majority at some point, and I
Speaker 2: know that's when he sold it to the Paliss shoes
Speaker 2: commercial and Paul McCartney was like, the song's about revolution,
Speaker 2: it's not about selling shoes. And they you know, they
Speaker 2: did a song together. They were supposed to be Buddy
Speaker 2: Buddy and then but yeah, near the end of Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson's life, what what he was Apple Music. It was
Speaker 2: one of the big.
Speaker 5: Ones because everybody hates Sony, like even.
Speaker 1: And then he sold it to Apple. Oh, he sold
Speaker 1: the entire catalog to Apple.
Speaker 2: And that's when it became such a big deal that
Speaker 2: you could get Beatles on iTunes. I remember when that happened,
Speaker 2: and that has.
Speaker 1: Now happened to Pink Floyd. I believe Google bought Pink
Speaker 1: Floyd or Apple bought Pink Floyd.
Speaker 9: Now they sold their entire name catalog and everything and
Speaker 9: and look alike, so even probably AI and everything.
Speaker 5: Paul McCartney also owns Buddy how Lee's music.
Speaker 3: Oh does he Well that makes a ton of But.
Speaker 5: My whole point is that it's amazing how he comes
Speaker 5: into the situation of owning all of this music. You
Speaker 5: know what I mean if he was like a faux
Speaker 5: member of the band. Well not really because he became
Speaker 5: a better musician, but you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 5: it's so weird how he somehow positions himself to profit
Speaker 5: off of so much, you know, not being an original member.
Speaker 1: Have you got on the Super Bowl yesterday with Adam Sandler? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was sitting next to Adam Sandler and they're all
Speaker 1: like pointing to each other and everything.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what So what was the thing about? Like, uh,
Speaker 3: do you guys know who Jay Widner is. He does
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff about like the Shining and like
Speaker 3: Quebrick and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Nick just had writer Leon. They made that
Speaker 2: movie together, right.
Speaker 3: So Jay Whidner has talked extensively about how they replaced Paul,
Speaker 3: and like, I guess if you talk to this new
Speaker 3: Paul about it like he gets all you know, weird
Speaker 3: and shit and like won't even bring it up, won't
Speaker 3: discuss it, won't talk about it. I mean, the guy
Speaker 3: I liked the Wings too, you know, and he didn't
Speaker 3: he like write a bunch of music for Ringo and
Speaker 3: shit after they split up. Okay, well, I'm just saying
Speaker 3: he was. Whoever replaced him was a great was a
Speaker 3: really great musician. Yeah, so what he married a chick
Speaker 3: with no legs.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think he's a cool guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I always thought there was a real
Speaker 2: darkness to Paul myself.
Speaker 3: He's the Walrus.
Speaker 2: He's I don't think he's a good dude at all.
Speaker 4: Knighted by the Queen of England herself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. That is true.
Speaker 6: All right. I think I'm gonna probably wrap it up here. Actually,
Speaker 6: if you guys, it's almost close to two hours. Thought
Speaker 6: that was good. Thank you very much, Julian and Colby.
Speaker 6: I really appreciate that. Had a really good time, like
Speaker 6: I expected, had a lot of good laughs. Mike Thrash
Speaker 6: appreciate it. Love when you guys are on and I
Speaker 6: knew this was a topic that you'd both be into Lisa,
Speaker 6: thank you very much. As usual, always appreciate your input.
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