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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Constance Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Fought to welcome back a friend of the program he's

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<v Speaker 2>been with us before, Dave Cash. Dave Cash, welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to Night Side. How were you, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great. It's great to be on the show again, Dan,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Most recently, Dave Cash was the regional administrator for what

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<v Speaker 2>is called Region one for the United States Environmental Protection

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<v Speaker 2>Agency that covers six news New England states and also

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<v Speaker 2>ten federally recognized tribes here in New England. And Dave

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<v Speaker 2>has a deep knowledge and understanding. He was at one

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<v Speaker 2>point a high school teacher, but subsequently he worked in

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<v Speaker 2>the Romney administration here in Massachusetts as a director of Air,

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<v Speaker 2>Energy and Waste Policy, and then went on to work

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<v Speaker 2>in the Biden administration as a said, say, the top

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<v Speaker 2>EPA administrator here in New England, Dave, we have just

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<v Speaker 2>had a very cold winter in New England. At least

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<v Speaker 2>that's the way it seems to me. YEA, do you

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<v Speaker 2>concur that this has been a colder than normal winter.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's paying more money for their energy. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I think this has kind of been

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<v Speaker 3>like a normal winter for New England fifteen or twenty

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<v Speaker 3>years ago, and maybe we all kind of sell The

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<v Speaker 3>last couple of winters have been kind of dry and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of warm, and so getting socked with a regular

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<v Speaker 3>New England winter. But yeah, I mean, I mean, man,

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<v Speaker 3>you must feel it. I know I feel it. Higher

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<v Speaker 3>gas bills and electric bills this month, and I mean

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<v Speaker 3>you know why they're high. They're high because we depend

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<v Speaker 3>so much on natural gas here all New England's energy

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<v Speaker 3>electricity prices, they're high due to our heavy reliance on

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<v Speaker 3>natural gas. It's like over fifty percent of our electricity

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<v Speaker 3>country natural gas. That means like we're linked to the

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<v Speaker 3>vagaries of the market and we're here in New England

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the pipeline literally and figuratively, so

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<v Speaker 3>when gas prices go up and down, oof, we feel it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's every one of the many, many reasons

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<v Speaker 3>why we should be moving to other sources, whether that's nuclear,

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<v Speaker 3>which we're still at about twenty five percent there, but hydro, offshore, wind, solar,

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<v Speaker 3>those are all things that ultimately are going to bring

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<v Speaker 3>down the price of electricity for consumers, because obviously you

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<v Speaker 3>don't pay fuel costs for solar and wind. Those are yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>those are break You've.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to cover me a little skeptical at the moment

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<v Speaker 2>on that. O. Sure, but that's what we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. You've you've certainly focused here. On the one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all felt the sting of higher prices this winter.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it has been a little colder, but you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not abnormally cold. It's not like all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden we're in some sort of you know, depth of

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<v Speaker 2>winter beginning in November. First, November was fairly mild. December

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<v Speaker 2>got a little colder kind of hit us in January.

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<v Speaker 2>February was cold month. It's funny every Sunday I look

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<v Speaker 2>in the globe and they talk about how cold it

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<v Speaker 2>has been, uh in you know, whether it's above average

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<v Speaker 2>or a below average? Do you know that the globe

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to convince me and I have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>where they have the where they take these temperatures, that

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<v Speaker 2>it's been warmer than normal, like by a degree and

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<v Speaker 2>a half. I just don't buy that. But that's we'll

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<v Speaker 2>put that. We'll put that aside.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, that's what if that's what the science

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<v Speaker 3>is saying. I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't doubt it

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<v Speaker 3>depends on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's the question is I don't know where the

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<v Speaker 2>science is. If the science guy is standing in his

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<v Speaker 2>living room and taking the temperature, if he's standing outside,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Now, come on, you know they got they got

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<v Speaker 3>monitors all over the state where they're you know they're

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<v Speaker 3>they're they're getting all the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>They do that. The last couple of winters, I would

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you it was a little warm and normal,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just think this winter was colder than normal.

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<v Speaker 2>So so what we're trying to do here is we're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to balance the cost of living in New England, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>with the energy options that we have. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go through some of those with you and know

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<v Speaker 2>that you're a huge supporter of solar and you're a

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<v Speaker 2>huge supporter of wind. So let me let me ask

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<v Speaker 2>you about those in in a in a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a challenging way. Okay, solar in New England, me in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>No t how efficient it can solar ever be for

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<v Speaker 3>So the real question it's not it's not about efficiency, right.

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<v Speaker 3>We know we're not as efficient as Arizona, there's no

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<v Speaker 3>question about okay, right, The question is is it worth

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<v Speaker 3>the cost? Right, that's the question because Arizona also has

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<v Speaker 3>has relatively low electricity prices in general, and so we're

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<v Speaker 3>here in this market, like I said, at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the natural gas pipeline, so we pay high costs.

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<v Speaker 3>So if solar is not as great here as it

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<v Speaker 3>is in Arizona, well that's okay. If it's still better

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<v Speaker 3>than the alternative. And what we've seen in the last

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<v Speaker 3>ten fifteen years is the price of solar coming down, down, down, down,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's coming down because it's expanding everywhere because the

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<v Speaker 3>government is supporting it with subsidies and pact incentives. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But then then that means more manufacturers are going to

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<v Speaker 3>build it, and then they're going to compete, and the

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<v Speaker 3>price is going to come down. We see, we've seen that.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen that, you know, with batteries with solar, with wind,

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<v Speaker 3>with onshore wind, with offshore wind, we'll get, we'll get

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<v Speaker 3>with all those.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to take them one at their time.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's come back yea, yeah for a second, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So solar is never going to be a panacea for

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<v Speaker 2>New England. It might help a little bit, but obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a panacea. Now you talked about we're at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the pipeline, Dave, We're not really at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the pipeline. But we have politicians in

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<v Speaker 2>New England who fight against adding pipelines. If you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to the heads of ever source in National Grid, as

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<v Speaker 2>I have, they've always said we need more pipelines in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>But what will happen is in the middle of July,

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<v Speaker 2>when no one's thinking about their electric bills, there'll be

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<v Speaker 2>some demonstration. Not in my backyard. I don't want to prison,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want a waste treatment plant, and I certainly

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<v Speaker 2>don't want a pipeline. And you go through my neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>So we solve how do we deal with that problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is that an impossible problem to deal with?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not an impossible I mean there are a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of parts of that problem. One problem is I

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<v Speaker 3>think a fair question is should we be investing in

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<v Speaker 3>fossil fuel infrastructure like pipelines when we know we know

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<v Speaker 3>we've got to move to a clean energy future for many, many,

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<v Speaker 3>many reasons, public public health, in terms of local air pollution,

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<v Speaker 3>climate change, the benefits for clean energy economy where the

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<v Speaker 3>United States can be a major global competitor, it lowers

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<v Speaker 3>costs as I described earlier. So the question is what

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<v Speaker 3>are the things we should be investing in, And I

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<v Speaker 3>would argue fossil fuel pipelines is not the answer. The

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<v Speaker 3>answer is more transmission.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not natural gas one of the cleanest forms of

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<v Speaker 3>It is definitely one of the cleanest forms of fossil energy.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have it in well, yeah, let's just take

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<v Speaker 2>the word fossil for a seconds. That's a dirty word.

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<v Speaker 2>But there isn't there an abundance of natural gas in America?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not play to our strength in the short term

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<v Speaker 2>and bring a couple of more pipelines in and bring

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<v Speaker 2>and realize that maybe at some point thirty forty years

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<v Speaker 2>from now, we're all going to be sold. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be hydro and nuclear. Whatever. Do we really have

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<v Speaker 2>to look at at this point as natural gas as

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<v Speaker 2>an enemy?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not an enemy in a peer right now, and

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<v Speaker 3>so we should use it now, but we should get

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<v Speaker 3>the heck off it as soon as we can. Fossil

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<v Speaker 3>fuels have played a really important role in our country,

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<v Speaker 3>no question. Because of fossil fuels, we were able to

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<v Speaker 3>grow and industrialize and all of the kinds of things

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<v Speaker 3>that we've come to love about this country. Right, But

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<v Speaker 3>the time for fossil fuels is over. We've found it

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<v Speaker 3>causes major problems in the environment. It causes health problems, cancer,

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<v Speaker 3>heart disease, asthma attacks, all of those kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 3>And we have the technology, the cheaper and cheaper technology

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<v Speaker 3>to move to the clean energy future. So I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, thank you natural gas. Your time is done.

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<v Speaker 3>What let's get these offshore wind farms going. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>look everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta take a break. I got to take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>And you ever convinced me yet, we're going to go back.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest is Dave cash Uh. He is someone who

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<v Speaker 2>has spent his life looking at energy issues. Many of

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<v Speaker 2>you have been looking at your bills. Uh. And obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there's a little bit of a difference approach between Dave

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<v Speaker 2>and myself, and I will acknowledge that this is his

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<v Speaker 2>area of expertise, but I have strong feelings on it

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<v Speaker 2>and we can all have a great conversation for the

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<v Speaker 2>next rob or so six six six month, seven two five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>Will be right back on night Side, more conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Cash, and we will get to phone calls. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you right now, light those lines up if you

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<v Speaker 2>really want to get in. If you are a big

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<v Speaker 2>proponent of solar or wind or hydro, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>call and tell Dave he's absolutely right, not that he

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<v Speaker 2>needs any convincing. If you're somebody who's a little skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>of these and wants to hold on too at least

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<v Speaker 2>natural gas and is probably more comfortable with nuclear, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>your guy. We're not making a debate. It's a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's North America's back porch, or maybe even tonight North

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<v Speaker 2>America's front port gets the kind of windy in the back.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about energy energy cost here in New England.

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<v Speaker 2>We know they were expensive this winter and they'll be

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<v Speaker 2>expensive this summer. If you're dealing with air conditioning with us.

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<v Speaker 2>As Dave Cash, he's a former most recent Regional Administrator

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States Environmental Protection Agency, the Region one office,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the six New England states and the ten

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<v Speaker 2>recognized tribes here in New England. So we talked a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about solar, and we come back to solar,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's talk about offshore wind. Okay, Now, when I

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<v Speaker 2>think about wind, it's always offshore. I've been in other

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the country where the the turbines are in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the in the like Kansas, there is

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<v Speaker 2>no offshore. It's always lad locked. But we got a

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<v Speaker 2>problem offshore because, as I understand it, you got whales

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<v Speaker 2>that are being impacted by this. They're throwing blades into

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<v Speaker 2>the water. Is there anywhere in America where offshore wind

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<v Speaker 2>has is effective.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the most effective at this point is off.

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<v Speaker 4>The coast of New England. The wind is incredibly strong

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<v Speaker 4>and constant, and the National Marine Fisheries Service and other

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<v Speaker 4>agencies have studied the whale problem and it isn't really

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<v Speaker 4>a problem, especially when they've changed some of the sighting

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<v Speaker 4>of some of the turbines to not get in the

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<v Speaker 4>But Boyd compared to say the BP oil spill and

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<v Speaker 2>This let me ask you, how did the how did

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<v Speaker 2>I understanding that in the last year or so, they've

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<v Speaker 2>been able to figure what what what caused that? But

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<v Speaker 2>what are the environmentalists saying about the protection of the whales.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that off the cape we deal with sharks

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<v Speaker 2>But I assume you've heard the story about the the

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<v Speaker 2>uptick in in whale carcasses off the New Jersey coast.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you know, I I don't I know, I've studied.

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<v Speaker 3>I've read some of those studies. They're not related to win.

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<v Speaker 3>You see upticks in whale death.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know why suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, when you when you've got these big projects

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<v Speaker 3>that are office those it takes years to do the analysis,

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<v Speaker 3>the environmental analysis, and the planning to make sure they're

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<v Speaker 3>not a problem. And you know, for for for President

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<v Speaker 3>sector which is just booming. I mean, we're talking in

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<v Speaker 3>New England jobs, jobs, jobs, the the kind of renaissance

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<v Speaker 3>with new offshore windos. How many how many jobs it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be tens of thousands, It's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>thousands where we now multiple thousands. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>you've ever have you ever like driven by most recently,

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<v Speaker 3>to just have these massive monopiles ready to go out

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<v Speaker 3>And I just I gotta say I scratched my head

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we're talking like we've got you know, gigawats

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to we're going to lose some of the

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<v Speaker 2>mathem the non mathematicians. Let me give it to you

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<v Speaker 2>in a substantial number of offshore wind farms. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>let us assume that we think for a moment, forget

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<v Speaker 2>about the whales they got. You know, whatever the cost is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a cost that that we have to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>How much would significant offshore windmills bring down the average

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<v Speaker 2>winter electric bill in New England? I'm just put it

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Dan, you're you're asking me to answer a question.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what the answer to.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason I say, I mean, I don't. The

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<v Speaker 2>order to convince the public that it's a good idea

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<v Speaker 2>and put it, put aside the whale people who are

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<v Speaker 2>who are never going to be with you. But principle,

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<v Speaker 2>somehow someone's got to quantify it.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's okay, And yeah, I don't well, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what the exact answer is. I do know that

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<v Speaker 3>the all the studies have shown that in the long

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<v Speaker 3>term that once we have full build out of offshore wind,

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<v Speaker 3>our prices will be lower than they are now and

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<v Speaker 3>they'll be less volatile. And the volatility is what kills

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<v Speaker 3>a business. Right, if you're business that depends or any

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<v Speaker 3>or school building owner, you know you can't that or

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<v Speaker 3>a homeowner. Right, My electric builds are much higher this

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<v Speaker 3>year than last year. How do I budget for my family? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>offshore wind it's more constant, not depending on oil, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean on gas coming from elsewhere. Those are the things

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<v Speaker 3>that are going to help you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's talk Let's talk about We talked about solo,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about wind. Let's talk about hydro. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>flying on a plane with Governor Hugh Gallon of New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 2>You might not even remember him. He was the governor

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<v Speaker 2>of New Hampshire in the late seventies, really smart guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was talking to me and we were sitting

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<v Speaker 2>on the plane and he was talking about hydro Quebec

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<v Speaker 2>and how Quebec was the answer. This is in the

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<v Speaker 2>late seventies, so it's at least forty years ago. How

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<v Speaker 2>much is hydro Quebec or hydro at any anywhere contributing

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<v Speaker 2>to our power supply here in New England? Where is

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<v Speaker 2>it's high?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's in the twenty plus percent in New England.

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<v Speaker 2>That's because that's.

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<v Speaker 3>At Yeah, well, we don't have that much hydro here

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<v Speaker 3>within the region, and we get about I'm sorry, wait, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I'm over speaking. It's more than that. It's

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<v Speaker 3>in the tent. It's in the ten to fifteen range.

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<v Speaker 3>But the but when I was when I was in

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<v Speaker 3>state government in the Romney administration and then in the

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<v Speaker 3>Patrick administration I followed. In the Patrick administration, we were

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<v Speaker 3>really trying to figure out how to get electricity from

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<v Speaker 3>hydro Quebec because they had surplus in a pretty major

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<v Speaker 3>way and they were looking for a market and we

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<v Speaker 3>were looking for supply. It seems like a perfect match.

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<v Speaker 3>And we mentioned the problem of sighting and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Nimby, I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't work. And it didn't work because we couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>cite that there's been only one of what we thought

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<v Speaker 3>we needed three major transmission lines and only one got

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<v Speaker 3>permitted because they were blocked in New Hampshire, there were

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to be interrupted with you. You've known

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<v Speaker 2>so much more about this. So who blocked them in

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire? And who blocked the transmission lines? And with

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<v Speaker 2>these overground transmission lines or underground?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they were overground. They were overground, Okay, I think

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<v Speaker 3>there were there were, there were local there a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of dynamics. There are a bunch of local environmental groups

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<v Speaker 3>that weren't happy with the overground transmission lines. And there

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<v Speaker 3>were also I mean, I'll pull it put it on

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<v Speaker 3>some of the transmission developers. I'm not going to mention names,

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<v Speaker 3>but they didn't come in and get participation early and

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<v Speaker 3>often enough in a way that the benefits of this

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<v Speaker 3>see the wires, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Bec was going to make money. So Quebec

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<v Speaker 2>was going to make money, but they weren't going to

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<v Speaker 3>Into the energy, yeah, or the or the utility that

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<v Speaker 3>was building the American utility. Yeah, I got you share

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<v Speaker 3>the benefits, share the profits with the communities along the way,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's got to be twenty years ago or fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>Ago, yeah, fifteen years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 3>know that there. I know we're all still working on

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, So we got to take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine thirty News. I got callers. I want the callers

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<v Speaker 2>I will ask the callers to ask questions, no speeches,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, ask questions. Just do what I've tried

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Clearly, you you you know that I see

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<v Speaker 2>this just a little differently than Dave does. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who knows a lot about it, and I'm asking

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<v Speaker 2>questions that frankly, I don't know the answers to. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back with Dave Cash, most recently the EPA administrator

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<v Speaker 2>here in New England for the Biden administration. He worked

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<v Speaker 2>for the Biden administration as the top EPA official here

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<v Speaker 2>in New England right up until on January twentieth at

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<v Speaker 2>high noon, when on January twentieth of this year, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five until the inauguration of President Trump. And at

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<v Speaker 2>that point everyone in the Biden administration had to have

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<v Speaker 2>submitted ice room letters of resignation or they whatever. That's

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<v Speaker 2>There was a complete transition of power. Join the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This, if you're on night Side with Dan Ray on

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of questions to ask my friend

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Cash and again, he understands this a lot better

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<v Speaker 2>than I do. I think I have some knowledge of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's the expert. And so let's go to phone calls,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to incorporate as many callers as possible

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<v Speaker 2>this hour. We don't often get a chance to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Again, we're we're talking about something that affects every

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<v Speaker 2>it's going in the wrong direction. Uh, you've heard me

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<v Speaker 2>criticize the Department of Public Utilities who rolled over like

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<v Speaker 2>tom Is in Brockton. Tom you first up with Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Cash form EPA Regional administrator here in New England. Go ahead, Tom, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Number one, New York State will not allow a natural

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<v Speaker 5>gas pipeline to enter its state as well as exit.

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<v Speaker 5>That is harming the rest of the six New England states.

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<v Speaker 5>There's plenty of natural gas in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 5>and Kentucky. All right, that's that's number one, number two, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom, do you a favorite? I just want to check

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<v Speaker 2>with Dave okay, because I believe you. But but is

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<v Speaker 2>that accurate? You know? Is that the problem?

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<v Speaker 6>I know the state.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the specifics about New York State, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to argue that's time national gas stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you touch it to? Please? Tom? Tom be respect,

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<v Speaker 2>Tom b respect Please.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's going on in New York. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>what can I tell you? I'm in New England. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what's going on in New York. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>So he's not saying that. What he's saying is that

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<v Speaker 2>New York will not permit me.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, is not allowing gas to come through. I

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<v Speaker 3>get that. I'm just saying I don't know that. That's

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<v Speaker 3>all I don't know, Sir Tom accept Come on.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, you're involved in the energy energy sector of the

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<v Speaker 5>Now the next thing, as far as solar energy, that's

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<v Speaker 5>all well and good. I installed a five thousand watt

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<v Speaker 5>animals and the inverter twenty to twenty two thousand dollars. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>rate over twenty years, that would be one hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>four approximately one hundred and forty five dollars a month. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>at the time in my house in Brockton, I was

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<v Speaker 5>paying seventy five to eighty five dollars a month. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't have any heavy utilities here, yeah, right, no gas range.

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<v Speaker 5>So solar energy is not a panacea. Solar power can

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<v Speaker 5>augment the power grid, the cleanest power that we have

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<v Speaker 5>that can generate massive quantity of electricity that do not

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<v Speaker 5>create greenhouse gases. And I do believe in man made

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<v Speaker 5>climate change from carbon You do know what the answer

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<v Speaker 5>to that is. It's hydro electric as well as nuclear.

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<v Speaker 5>Nuclear power does not create greenhouse gases? Am I right?

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<v Speaker 5>Am I wrong? You are correct? Okay, So why is

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<v Speaker 5>it when I listen to progressives in this state tell

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<v Speaker 5>me that, oh, well, China will eventually catch up the

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<v Speaker 5>United States. I'm going to eye the EW retired electrician

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<v Speaker 5>I've worked on coal burner power plants and Harris in Lumberport,

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<v Speaker 5>West Virginia, where we put scrubbers on those power plants

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<v Speaker 5>in the late eighties. China does not put scrubbers on

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<v Speaker 5>their power plants. They're well over at eleven hundred active

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<v Speaker 5>power plants and continuing to build coal fired power plants.

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<v Speaker 5>That doesn't include the rest of the world that they're

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<v Speaker 5>not mandating they put that stuff on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Tom, get you get to a question please.

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<v Speaker 5>So so, so the question is, so if we sacrifice

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<v Speaker 5>the United States? Uh, energy policy to stop climate change

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<v Speaker 5>and the rest of the world doesn't. How is that

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<v Speaker 5>going to help out man made climate change?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 5>Go ahead, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great question when we see the dynamics.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa, whoa, Hey Tom, Tom, do me a favor you

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<v Speaker 2>you asked you, you had a three minute question. Please

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<v Speaker 2>don't interrupt him as he starts to give an answer.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a better gentleman than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Tom.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead, Dave, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. Yeah, it's a great question. It's one that you

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<v Speaker 3>know has the doubled the United States for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>But I feel like if we are expanding our use

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<v Speaker 3>of things like solar in the way that you describe it,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to be a panacea, certainly not here

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<v Speaker 3>in the Northeast. Other parts of the country. It can

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<v Speaker 3>provide way more capacity than it can here. Keeping nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>and even expanding it, which in fact we did in

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<v Speaker 3>the Biden Administrative ainistration. We invested in new nuclear technologies,

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<v Speaker 3>safer nuclear technologies, expanding nuclear, bringing hydro resources that we

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<v Speaker 3>have we were just talking about before the break from Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes a huge amount of sense, and moving to

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<v Speaker 3>the real industrial scale, particularly in New England is offshore wind.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we become the leaders in both the development

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<v Speaker 3>of the technology and the innovation so that the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of the globe can be our marketplace, so that we

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<v Speaker 3>can sell these technologies. We don't have to buy them

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<v Speaker 3>from Europe, which is where we get all our offshore

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<v Speaker 3>wind technology right now. And that's the vision that I

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<v Speaker 3>think that many have. That this is a long term

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<v Speaker 3>vision of moving the United States into a clean energy

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<v Speaker 3>future that will be cleaner air, less climate change, growth

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<v Speaker 3>of green jobs, innovation, which is what America has always

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<v Speaker 3>been great about. So that's that's that's my answer to that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you know, then China, hopefully then China will

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<v Speaker 3>see by the way, China just surpassed Tesla in electric

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<v Speaker 3>vehicle use because in electric vehicles sales, because they know

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<v Speaker 3>they have to clean up their cities. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen the pictures of Beijing and what it looks like

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<v Speaker 3>on an awful day, and so they're moving. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>why are we letting them clean?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get here before we go to break tom

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So what you're telling me is that we have

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<v Speaker 5>to put our faith in China, which is the world's

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<v Speaker 5>biggest pollute the United States that has gone down on

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<v Speaker 5>a pollution Please, and don't peel on my legs. Tell

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<v Speaker 5>me it's raining.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, Tom, please, Tom, let's have it.

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<v Speaker 5>I want it honest. I want someone to be frank

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<v Speaker 5>with me for a change. I don't need someone from

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<v Speaker 5>Harvard Square, Cambridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Good enough, Tom, I'm going to end it right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much, Tom for the call. I think you've

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<v Speaker 2>been too disrespectful to my guests, and that's not like you.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take a break, Dave and right we'll be right

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<v Speaker 2>back on night Side with a couple of more calls.

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<v Speaker 2>And I ask simply for polite conversation. If that's too

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<v Speaker 2>much to ask, then I find another talk show. Six.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get right back to the phone, so we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>to Mark and Saugus. Mark, you're next on Nightside. Please

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<v Speaker 2>be polite, ask a couple of questions and go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi, Dann Mark from Saugus, Sir, I have a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of questions about wind turburns. Why have to be so

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<v Speaker 6>big to use smaller ones? Say you're on land the ocean.

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<v Speaker 6>Seems like they need an awful lot of maintenance, like

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<v Speaker 6>a boat. Always have to work on them and fix them.

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<v Speaker 6>And there's something that's going to rot away and fall

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<v Speaker 6>off in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the that's the state as highways, but they

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<v Speaker 3>don't in the state.

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<v Speaker 6>The state owns land in between the highways, like we

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<v Speaker 6>do with the prison down in Denham.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, okay, so let's give me, give me a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to respond. Marks two great.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are two great questions. And I am not an engineer,

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<v Speaker 3>but my understanding is that as the blades get bigger,

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<v Speaker 3>they're more efficient. In particularly offshore where the wind blows hard,

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<v Speaker 3>they're more efficient and the whole unit becomes more efficient,

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<v Speaker 3>so it can produce a lot more electricity for the

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<v Speaker 3>amount of material that's used.

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<v Speaker 4>And so.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when offshore technology started developing, it could really

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<v Speaker 3>take advantage of the big, wide open space to make

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<v Speaker 3>them really large. On land, yes, they are smaller, except

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<v Speaker 3>they're getting larger too. But the ones like we've seen,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I remember being around when and I think

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<v Speaker 3>they might still be there. On the on Boston City Hall,

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of small ones were put up, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think at the airport. They had some too. They're okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're really you know, they don't produce the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of output that you need. So essentially, for wind turbines,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, bigger is better and they capture more wind

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<v Speaker 3>and convert more of it into electricity. Your other point,

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead, Sorry, I'm just gonna say the other point

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<v Speaker 3>is there are a lot of states that are trying

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<v Speaker 3>to be creative about state land federal land that can

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<v Speaker 3>be used in those creative ways. In fact, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things when I was first in the Patrick administration,

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<v Speaker 3>we looked at the turnpike and you might note when

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<v Speaker 3>you when you go by, I think it's maybe sinateic

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<v Speaker 3>on one one of the early when you're heading west

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<v Speaker 3>out of Boston, there's some solar panels that are on

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<v Speaker 3>the on the burn that's right next to the service

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<v Speaker 3>station there. And you know, those are popping up more

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<v Speaker 3>and more and more as folks are realizing, hey, we

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<v Speaker 3>could do this. And I know there are a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of towns that are now covering like parking lots over

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<v Speaker 3>their libraries and municipal buildings to take advantage of that

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<v Speaker 3>land that can be turned into energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Why Mark Mark Cover both the questions.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean I think I think they should try

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<v Speaker 6>like put them in the mediums of the highways and

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<v Speaker 6>maybe well we got some great hills.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got great hills in the Berkshires. If you go

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<v Speaker 2>to put them awhere, put them out in the Berkshires

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<v Speaker 2>and run the streetline.

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<v Speaker 6>See what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Okay, Hey, Mark from Zaga is great calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. Thanks and gentlemen, thanks, good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Who we go to gym in Kansas City, Jim.

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<v Speaker 7>Go right ahead, Dan, Hey, thanks for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 7>Would be how you've been fantastic? Okay, hey, uh okay,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not gonna I was gonna ask you what happened

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<v Speaker 7>if you heard about what happened to Big Bird, but no,

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<v Speaker 7>I gotta be respectful. So hey, look at uh have

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<v Speaker 7>you ever been up two hundred feet on the outside

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<v Speaker 7>of a structure?

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<v Speaker 3>I I I actually have climbed up to the top

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<v Speaker 3>of one of the wind turbines that's on the military

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<v Speaker 3>base on Cape Cod and it was extraordinary. That was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, okay, I guess what I'm kind of wondering is,

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<v Speaker 7>who are you going to get to work on these things?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great question. And here's and here's something I

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<v Speaker 3>do know a little bit about this because we had

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<v Speaker 3>some federal funding that was part of the Inflation Reduction

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<v Speaker 3>Act that was going to workforce development and training. And

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<v Speaker 3>I met a guy down in New Bedford and like

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<v Speaker 3>four or five years ago, he was down on his luck.

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<v Speaker 3>He had lost a couple of jobs. He was really

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<v Speaker 3>good with the hands, and then he entered one of

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<v Speaker 3>these training programs that then was a pipeline into the

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<v Speaker 3>steel workers Union, where he exactly did what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>His job now is to climb up these huge poles

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<v Speaker 3>out in the ocean to do whatever maintenance is required.

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<v Speaker 3>And so at least here in the Northeast, there's like

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<v Speaker 3>a huge opportunity to have workforce development and job growth,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly in these ports that have been hard hit and

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<v Speaker 3>are on hard economic times. So their future is about

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<v Speaker 3>being jobs too.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Jim, that is a fabulous question. They couldn't pay

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<v Speaker 2>me enough, Jim, I don't know about you.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, that's see, that's what I'm saying. I'm the kind

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<v Speaker 7>of guy that'll climb up there. I've done high rise

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<v Speaker 7>work before, and I'll do it, but you've got to

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<v Speaker 7>pay the right amount of money, and I doubt seriously

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<v Speaker 7>whether you can come up with that kind of cabbage.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, fair enough in here, Thanks Jim, great question,

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<v Speaker 2>great question. Thanks good. Let's go to Mike and Salem'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get you and also Walter in from Limits to

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, Mike.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan doing great? We got a couple of minutes for you.

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<v Speaker 2>You go right ahead. What's your comment to question from

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<v Speaker 2>my guest Dave Cash?

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<v Speaker 8>I just I just got a question. You know, they're

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<v Speaker 8>talking about nuclear being you know, clean and all this,

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<v Speaker 8>but what do they do with the nuclear waste when

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<v Speaker 8>it's done?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, how.

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<v Speaker 8>Clean is is nuclear? If you know there's waste, same

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<v Speaker 8>thing with any other.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we should put them on rocket ships

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<v Speaker 2>and send them out to like Jupiter. You guys are laughing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm serious, No.

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<v Speaker 5>I hear you.

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<v Speaker 8>I watched on on YouTube. They're like burying that stuff

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<v Speaker 8>on the ground. But it's like how I mean, how long.

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<v Speaker 2>No one wants and no one wants it? No one

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<v Speaker 2>wants it. They want they buried in places like Utah

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<v Speaker 2>down some mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>Or whatever, Mike, Mike, that question is like the sixty

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<v Speaker 3>four it's like the sixty four billion dollar question. And

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<v Speaker 3>it goes back to Tom's point earlier. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get to answer this, but that is that that's the

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't cause you know, climate change, but it does

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<v Speaker 3>have this nuclear waste problems which hasn't really really been

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<v Speaker 3>solved yet, and they're trying to develop new technologies. Again

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<v Speaker 3>this administration, by the administration invested in that. But that's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's a very good point. And maybe you're also

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about like the there's some toxic chemicals that are

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<v Speaker 3>in batteries. And one of the interesting things that I

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<v Speaker 3>know the Department of Energy. I was in an environment,

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<v Speaker 3>not in energy, but I know that there's a big

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<v Speaker 3>investment in how do you create a circular economy so

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<v Speaker 3>that when the battery reaches the end of its life,

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<v Speaker 3>you can take out the component parts and recycle it.

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<v Speaker 3>And because all those rare earth minerals are still in there,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're coming up with ways to do that that

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<v Speaker 3>are economical.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, my great question. I want to get one

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<v Speaker 2>more in if I can. Okay, my friend, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much. I have a great Mike uh, Walter and

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<v Speaker 2>Levens Or Walter, you're the last of the hour, and

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<v Speaker 2>go right ahead your own daycast.

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<v Speaker 9>My question is back in deval Patrick's administration, he passed

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<v Speaker 9>or had a law passed, and just correct me if

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<v Speaker 9>it really did happen that the electric companies are able

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<v Speaker 9>to recoup any loss revenue from people installing so and

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<v Speaker 9>when and whatnot at the houses without even going through

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<v Speaker 9>the registerat you're requesting increases. Is that still going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Now? I'm not I'm not exactly sure what you're meaning,

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<v Speaker 3>but so it was, it might be this and this

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<v Speaker 3>happened is happening all over the country right there. Electric

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<v Speaker 3>utilities have an incentive fell as much electricity as they can,

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<v Speaker 3>right because they get paid by the killowot hour for

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<v Speaker 3>the electricity to go through their buyers, right, So they're

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<v Speaker 3>not really going to want a homeowner to reduce their

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<v Speaker 3>energy use, so they're not going to be too helpful

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<v Speaker 3>on the energy efficiency side, even though it would help

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<v Speaker 3>the homeowner, they would lose money. So many states have

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<v Speaker 3>put together these kind of plans where they don't recoup

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<v Speaker 3>all of it, but they would recoup some so that

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<v Speaker 3>they have an incentive to participate in helping the homeowners,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, save money, because that's what this is. I've

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<v Speaker 3>got to be all about. It's got to be about

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<v Speaker 3>helping the customer lower their rates, lower their bills, not

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<v Speaker 3>be hit by a winter like this. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>that was I don't know the specifics, but there are

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of plans that have incentives for the companies

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<v Speaker 3>to benefit, to have an incentive to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>their customers use energy efficiency things. I mean, that's that,

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<v Speaker 3>and then everybody.

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<v Speaker 9>Back when it was passed, I remember reading a nautical

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<v Speaker 9>in the local newspaper and I killed myself for not

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<v Speaker 9>saving it.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was like, you know, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we got it. Hey, Walter, I hate to

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<v Speaker 2>do this to you, but you called late and we're

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<v Speaker 2>now flat up against the ten o'clock news.

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<v Speaker 9>So thanks for raising that issue going to that law.

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<v Speaker 2>So we will. Thanks Walter, I appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Some good calls, challenging calls, David, more than hell your own,

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<v Speaker 2>as always, I appreciate it. We got to do this

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<v Speaker 2>again because there's a whole we only scratch the surface tonight. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's agree.

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<v Speaker 3>With you, and you know we got we got Earthstake

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<v Speaker 3>coming up in April, maybe that would be a good

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<v Speaker 3>time to do it. End of April.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe maybe a little later than that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but let me be the first to wish you a

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<v Speaker 2>happy Earth Day. Okay, that's important.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Dan. It's always a pleasure to be on

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<v Speaker 3>this show. I love hearing the questions from your listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>Their sharp, they're interesting, they're intelligent, they're just like, get

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<v Speaker 3>to the heart of what these issues are, even if

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<v Speaker 3>they get a little hot under the collar.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, Yep, yep, Tom. Tom was one of my

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<v Speaker 2>more callers, but I think it stepped over the line

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but we'll leave that one go again.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I don't see the world the same way,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think we have good conversations, which is all

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<v Speaker 2>I want to love with. All Right, David, thank you soon,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you again, my friend. We'll talk soon. When we

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<v Speaker 2>get back. We're going to continue our conversation about this

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<v Speaker 2>now famous signal chat kerfuffle. I think it's a fascinating story.

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<v Speaker 2>The Democrats are trying their best and the Republicans are

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<v Speaker 2>trying to brush it under the rug. I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>know what you think. We'll be back on Night's side

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<v Speaker 2>right after this