Speaker 1: My name is Mike Torninkasso. I'm fifty years old. I
grew up in a little town called Struthers in Ohio,
and for the past four years I've been doing content
on YouTube regarding paranormal experiences, which have led me down
all kinds of avenues, from paranormal to cryptid encounters. When
it came to crypti encounters, my very first experience was
about four years ago at a park called West Branch
in Raveno, Ohio. I had a sighting there of a
very large entity. It was very shiny when I've seen
it with my flashlight. I was in a cemetery. It
was an old family cemetery from a family there name
was the Elliott family. They had an old family plot
they used to own the property that became the park,
and I was doing an investigation at this old cemetery.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 1: I had turned just like I commonly do when I'm
looking around the area with my flashlights. This was probably
around ten PM Eastern time, so it was dark, and
I looked towards the southerly direction, which was towards the lake,
which was probably one hundred yards in that direction. And
when I turned that direction with my lights. I had
seen something that looked like my best description was the
Predator from the Predator movie. It was very shiny, almost
looked like it had armor or scales, and its head
had weird tendrils or maybe it was hair that were
in locks. It was hard to tell because I only
seen it for a brief second, and it was moving
at a high rate of speed to the west or
to my right. And when I seen this, I frozen place.
Speaker 2: I was stunned.
Speaker 1: You know, this was something that I'd never expected to
experience because I didn't think things like this existed or
were out there. I was there listening for voices, looking
for activity on paranormal devices, and then this happened. And
this was the moment where everything changed for me with
what I had been expecting or what.
Speaker 2: Was out there. Now.
Speaker 1: My next experience, this was a sasquatch sighting, and this
was recent, only a few weeks ago. I was out
in Cuyahoga Valley National Forest, out in Summit County, Ohio,
and I was doing a live stream. There had been
things happening that I could hear, and I believe everybody
watching the live stream heard them. They were like chattering
voices that didn't really seem to say anything I could understand.
I was hearing knocking sounds that I don't know if
the knocking sounds were something hitting a tree, but that's
what it sounded like. And this led to me moving
around as I commonly do. I was trying to get
closer to where the sounds were, and I was trying
to use my own tree knocker to make sounds back
because I had heard this is how sasquatches communicate through knocking,
so I was repeating knocks back and I had turned
in one direction. I really don't know which direction I
was facing, but when I turned that way, there was
I seen it. This is the first time I ever
had seen a sasquatch that I recognized. It was leaning
out from a tree, probably about fifty feet away from me,
but it wasn't just peaking a little bit. It was
leaning at like forty five degree angle out from the
tree for a solid one to two seconds. I could
see the color of its fur. It had a really
light colored fur which covered the center most part of
its head and very dark contrast for on the outer edges.
When I seen it, I was really surprised. I was
shocked and excited, and I immediately wanted to get closer,
to bring the camera towards it to see if there's
any chance I could see it again. So I started
to advance towards it. At first, I started to move quick,
almost running, and I realized I should probably calm down
and not seem aggressive at all, because I just wanted
to get closer, maybe communicate, and see what would happen.
So as I started getting closer to the trees where
I'd seen it, I did not see it anymore, but
I started to hear knocking sounds. One was very close
to me. It almost sounded like it was to my left,
within maybe ten or fifteen feet. Then I heard another knock,
which was distant in the opposite direction. So then I
started to wonder if there were more of them out there.
And during this timeframe, I was continuing to talk because
I feel that even entities out there like Sasquatch, or
even others that I've heard of like dog men or spirits,
your vocal communication is always very important, whether or not
they understand what you're saying. You know, I put all
that aside because I think your intentions are known, even
when your words might not be, so I continue to
just talk in curious like a curious tone is what
I'm saying. When I talk, I ask questions.
Speaker 2: I keep my.
Speaker 1: Voice calm and not angry, you know, just like I
would be talking to anybody else. And then I heard
more knocking sounds coming from my left further back. There
were two of them in rapid response, but they were
far apart, probably at least one hundred feet apart. So
then I really had the suspicion that there were more
than one that were out there. And this was a
very exciting encounter for me. This was one of the
only times that I've been able to identify a sasquatch.
And when I first seen it, my mind said, oh,
it's Chewbacca from Star Wars, even though you know that
sounds kind of silly, but that's the impression I got
when I seen in its head. It was very vivid,
and I believe it wanted me to see it now
throughout the rest of that night, through the lock Because
I was live streaming on YouTube when this happened, and
you can see it on the live stream, it's not
very clear. The quality of the live stream is not
that great. Plus it was nighttime with flashlights, but it's
still visible. So if you go to that live stream,
you still can see the sasquatch peeking around the tree,
leaning around the tree, looking at me. And I've been
back there since then. I have not come across it visibly. Again,
I haven't seen it, but I keep visiting this air
now to see what kind of interactions I have.
Speaker 3: You had your first sighting while you were there at
Elliott Cemetery in West Branch, Ohio. You said, how sure
are you that that was actually a sasquatch?
Speaker 1: Though, Well, everything about it that I had seen did
not meet what the traditional sasquatch looks like. The only
resemblance was the size, because this was probably about, from
what I could tell, at least eight foot tall, so
it was bipedal.
Speaker 2: It was moving on two legs.
Speaker 1: It was really tall, like it wasn't human, you know,
it was much larger, But I didn't know what i'd
seen at that moment for me to say it wasn't
a sasquatch, you know, everything about what I had seen
says probably not. But I really don't know, so it's
hard for me to.
Speaker 2: Say it was.
Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards it wasn't, but I really don't know
what it was, so there's still possibility it could have been,
you know, So that one's kind of like an unknown
for me. That's why I haven't referred to it as
a sasquatch when I talk about it.
Speaker 3: Man, that's just one of the things that adds interest
to all this. It really does. And for anyone listening
who doesn't understand this, sasquatch apparently can cloak and look
like what he described. So that's why I asked about
that possibly being a sasquatch and how sure he was
that that's what it was. Now, when you had your
first clear sighting, you said you saw that sasquatch from
about fifty feet away or so. Was that experience a
turning point for you regarding your investigations in the field
that led you to start focusing more on sasquatch than
on the paranormal or do you still focus more on
the paranormal than you do on sasquatch.
Speaker 1: Well, I think this sighting has led me to be
a little bit more balanced. And I say that because
I've always kind of more focused on spirit communication and
paranormal encounters like that. But I had always known. Especially
after my setting at West Branch, I started to realize
there are other things out here, and automatically one of
the things that came to mind was people reporting bigfoot
segers around the area. This led me to make a
good friend of mine. His name was Jack Riggs. He's
known as the Cameraman from the Cameraman Crew. I knew
that he'd had done crypton research in that same area
in West Branch, so this kind of led me to
him to talk to him about my experiences, and we
started working together. And I had seen evidence of more
entities out there West Branch that I believed were a
sasquatch or other things, but some of them I could
identif from the pictures they were sasquatch. So, you know,
even though I can't say that I had seen a
sasquatch up to this point, i'd seen the entity at
West Branch, which I was onto ropes about saying it
was a sasquatch because of its description didn't fit the
usual to seeing what I had witnessed on the video
and photographs from the cameraman to understanding now that, okay,
you know.
Speaker 2: They're out there.
Speaker 1: So I had always been accepting that they're there, especially
after my sighting that first sighting that their entities there
and sasquatch is probably there, even though I hadn't seen one.
I believed Jack, believed other people that I had run
into over the years that told me their experiences. I'd
worked with other investigators and heard their experiences and had
some of my own, but I had not seen really
a sasquatching person yet. Everything's been elusive, but I've had
some really interesting encounters that were very unexplainable and seemed
to offer evidence of bigfoot all but actually seeing one,
so I knew they were there. So my investigations were
kind of geared towards understanding they're there, trying to interact
with cryptids that are out there, and I still would
set up and try to do spearit communication sessions out
in the woods. I would listen to see what messages
come through, and I would have encounters like knocks, objects
being thrown. So I kind of had been floating back
and forth like kind of doing one style of investigation,
which left the door open for encountering what appeared to
be watch or other crypti kind of behavior.
Speaker 2: So I would say.
Speaker 1: That my investigations have been balanced when I'm out in
the woods and I'm in that environment. But then I
sometimes will investigate places that have a history of hauntings,
and when I do that, it's pretty much solely focused
on evidence of spirit interactions or poltergeist. So it's kind
of like, you know, I kind of bounce around, but
I do that because of the experiences. I know what's there,
and I like to try to capture evidence of, you know,
the different kinds of encounters that we can have.
Speaker 3: Sounds to me like you're awfully methodical. That's impressive, and
since you've been doing this as long as you have,
it sure sounds to me like you really know what
you're doing there. With that in mind, I'm sure it's
not lost on you that a lot of people draw
a connection between Sasquatch and the pearanormal. Do you think
Sasquatch are supernatural beings or do you think they're just
flesh and blood.
Speaker 1: Well, my opinion is that they are higher dimensional beings.
And some of the reasons why I say that it
goes back to the very beginning when I had my sighting.
The evidence that I seen from Jack the cameraman showed
the entities that when I seen them and the thermo images,
most of them were full bodied, bipedal creatures that had
every every shape, every part of their body, looked like
a sasquatch, and there was very unique heat signatures to
the heads. And then he showed me variants of that
from the same areas where they had changed form and
looked like they had turned into some kind of a
different shape of energy or something. But their head signature
seemed to move like an orb after it changed, and
it looked like they traveled and disappeared. And once I
started seeing that, it kind of made me realize that
there's something else happening with them, and this might be
the answer to why they're always elusive or why they
might be there and then they're gone suddenly and you
can't find them. So I my opinion from what I've
experienced and seen is that they're a higher dimensional being
that seems to be able to disguise their form or
change their form. So I can see how there's some
kind of a connection to energy of the land, and
that same energy frequencies and vibrations could be a connection
between the residual state spirits that communicate with you that's
here it could be connected to a form of energy
that's always around us, that's like on a higher dimensional level,
or frequency that's around that's hard to or we might
just not understand how it works.
Speaker 3: You really have put a lot of work into this. Yeah,
that's impressive. I'm firmly convinced, Mike that dog men can
have different origins, such as I think some dogmen are
flesh and blood. I think others are spiritual beings. I
think others just might have been created in a laboratory
in a test tube. I think others might have alien origins.
When it comes to sasquatch, do you think all sasquatch
are the way you described or are you open to
the possibility that some Sasquatch are flesh and blood creatures,
others might be spiritual beings, others might have alien origin.
What's your thought on that?
Speaker 1: Well, my thoughts are very open to the possibilities. I've
seen and heard some compelling evidence even that they are
flesh and blood and that they travel using something called
a staff, and I seen an encounter once. This is
how I'm going to tell you about this experience. This
was one that was another very compelling bit of evidence
that I seen that opened my mind to a different
side of Sasquatch. I was watching a live stream with Jack,
the cameraman, and he was with Trapper. They were at
West Branch and there was like a mound by them,
and they were talking about something moving by the mound,
and then I saw a shadow, a dark shadow of
something when it looked like they turned and when their
heads were away from it, they were looking away. I
saw it move quickly and it ran to the left
as you were looking at it on screen, and I
saw it very clear, and I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what was that?
Speaker 1: And I was like I wanted to see more about it,
So I kept watching that section over.
Speaker 2: I clipped it.
Speaker 1: I kept watching it, and I wanted to see where
it came from. I'm like, it's there, you can see it.
Where did it just come from? And I saw a
very strange shape or change what looked like some kind
of a stick. I just call it a stick because
that's what it looked like. I saw what looked like
part of a stick that the light was shining on
and it looked white from the reflection, and then I
saw it literally kind of looked like it just appeared
and something changed with this stick and then you could
see it like kind of scatter off and move, and
this was just like pretty amazing to me to see this.
I was like Wow, I was like, what just happened.
I think some of the answers we get, some of
the reasons that we discover these things were kind of
meant for us because what had happened in the near future.
After this, I saw a podcast with a guy's name
was William for Maryland Squatch Watchers, and I heard him
talking to somebody and he started talking about sasquatch and
they use something to travel. They can travel and disappear
and move to different locations with something.
Speaker 2: Called a staff.
Speaker 1: And he was talking about this staff and he drew
a picture on the live stream to explain it. And
he drew the picture and it looked just like the
stick that I call a stick where this dark shadow
bipedal thing appeared. It was very dark and everything about
it had shaped its shoulders, its arms. When I seen
the shadow thing up here and move looked like just
a silhouette, made me think.
Speaker 2: It was a sasquatch.
Speaker 1: And there was William drawing this picture of a staff,
and I remembered that stick that I saw that I
kept watching the replay over and over of how it
just seemed to somehow this stick kind of moved positions
and then all of a sudden it kind of was gone.
And I seen that thing running and I was like shocked.
I'm like, there's no way. I'm like, this is amazing.
Then I started I got in touch with William from
Maryland's Watch Watchers, and I started talking to him about this.
I did a podcast with him, and I was picking
his brain on this because I was fascinated by this
and this was something that again, these are the things
that have led me to the understanding, or I call
it the awakening, that there's entities out there, you know.
And at first my experiences were on the spiritual side,
being contacted by someone talking to me that I believe
had passed on, and all of a sudden, there I
am in the woods investigating a cemetery and I have
the sighting of the thing at West Branch I can't identify.
And then it's been leading me down this trail of
all this evidence and things that I've seen that are
leading towards other kinds of entities that are out there.
So I definitely believe bigfoot can be various things, whether
or not they are different per se species or something
like that, or maybe they all have some ability and
they just use it in different ways. Those are all
questions that, you know, maybe we'll never find the answers to,
but I've always been okay with.
Speaker 2: Not getting the answers.
Speaker 1: For me, it's about the experiences and capturing these things
on video, sharing these things, because you know, these things
started showing themselves to me a long time ago, and
I've always wanted to show other people these things, and
that's why I do it. So the phenomenon of bigfoot
has been showing itself to me in so many different
ways that I'm open to any possibilities.
Speaker 3: You know, it's always good to be that way. It
seems like a lot of eyewitnesses, a lot of Sasquatch eyewitnesses,
have a history of paranormal experiences. In your case, do
you think the fact that you'd already had paranormal experiences
explains why you might have had that sighting that night
during the live stream, or do you think they were
just totally unrelated.
Speaker 1: I do believe that there may be a certain level
of being interacting or something interacting with you that's paranormal,
whether it's spirits or something else that somehow changes part
of you. And it might be because you change it yourself.
It's probably a frequency or a vibration of your own body.
And again this is where I call the awakening. I
think when you have the awakening, it's because of an encounter,
and that encounter changes you. And I think that affects
your whole body's level of frequency and vibration. And I
think that is something that is recognized by the spirits
to communicate with you. And now I'm starting to see
it could be because that's why some of these what
I think are cryptids I've had encounters with. So I
do feel that is a reason why some of these
encounters that i'm have originated from or from this change,
and why others who have had these experiences will continue
to have encounters that are both maybe you could say
paranormal with spirit encounters or even from cryptids when they're out.
Speaker 3: And about Mike, when you said that you'd still be
okey if you never did find out definitively what these
guys are that told me a lot about you, a
lot of investigators. They just hang on the possibility that
they've got to find out what sasquatch are, They've got
to have another better sighting, And it seems like in
some ways they can't see the forest for the trees.
But it sounds to me like you just enjoy the process.
You enjoy going out there and doing the investigations and
learning what you can.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?
Speaker 3: Or am I seeing things that aren't there?
Speaker 1: No, that's that's right. I like to term myself as
a paranormal experiencer. And when I say paranormal, to me,
that means crypti encounters as well, because to us, the
encounters you have with cryptids, I still consider it to
be paranormal because that's not normal for us, you know,
or what we can say, or normal whether or not
you know, I'm starting to think that it is normal.
But paranormal is just a term that you know, we
use for the things we can't explain. But yeah, I've
I like to refer to myself as a paranormal experiencer.
And I've always said from the beginning, something I've felt
was that I don't really want the answers I do
ask questions. Sometimes that might be about understanding or maybe
trying to get answers, but I'm not expecting answers, and
I like to just see what kind of experiences I have,
and it seems to be seems to have opened me
up and changed my vibration and frequency to where I
think it's making a positive impact, and it seems to
be why I have encounters that.
Speaker 2: Happen.
Speaker 1: And I believe in manifesting the experiences and that comes
with the things within you. You know, you're like a beacon.
These experiences change you change your body, change everything about
how your heart beats and how your brain works, and
you become like a beacon of frequency, and that's how
you're recognized. And I think that I'm kind of like
I'm floating on this frequency of vibration and the things
out there are curious about me, or something like that
is happening.
Speaker 3: I think. I know you're going to answer this question
coming up, but just to be thorough, I'm going to
ask it anyway. Did that clear sighting that you had
that night add more zeal to your investigations or did
it not move the needle all that much because you
were already zealous about this before you have that sighting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely change my dynamic a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like it was, it was an experience and one that
I was really excited to have because I always wondered
if I would ever see one. But like I said,
I'm totally convinced they're there, and I believe all the
encounters that people have had with their personal experiences of.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot, and it has changed me a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think when I do I do weekly live streams,
and I think that's become my focus of my live
streams is to continue to see what kind of encounters
I can have, to see if this sasquatch that showed
itself a couple of weeks ago when I was live
streaming might come back again, or if it's going to
be just a one time thing. You know, I'm not sure,
but so it has affected parts of what I do.
And that's one example would be that if you.
Speaker 3: Have an experience like that, it's going to affect you
or the other It's definitely gonna affect Yeah, now you
already believed in their existence before you had that clear
sighting that night, but did you still walk around the
next day in a haze or did you handle it
better than that.
Speaker 2: Well, I was excited about it.
Speaker 1: I was letting people know, you know about it, that
I that are in the community, friends that have seen bigfoot.
I was letting everybody know that, hey, you know, one
presented itself to me and showed itself and I was
not expecting to see like this two tone color to it,
which really surprised me and I thought was pretty amazing.
And you know, so it didn't really put me in
much of a haze. It really just kind of got
me excited. And I really look forward to going back
to that area on my weekly cycle and continue to
see what happens, because I would like to document more
interacting if it's whether it's the same one or if
there's more out there, which I feel there's more out there,
and you know, I want to keep going a little
bit more into detail with this interaction with the sasquatch.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: This is again, this is in the Cayoga Valley National
Forest over here in Summer County, and see, you know,
see what they do. See if they will show themselves again,
which I don't know if this was a lucky one
time opportunity or if they'll show themselves again.
Speaker 3: I don't know when you consider the fact that when
you saw clearly wanted you to see it. Maybe they're
drawn to you. Now, i'd be surprised if you don't
have at least one other siding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well, because it
definitely stood out. And every time I play it back
or I look at that clip from the live stream,
and it was not like just trying to barely see me.
This thing was like leaning, like I said, like a
forty five degree out, like it shoulders out and just
kind of like stopped for a second almost two and
just like was looking at me.
Speaker 2: That made me think that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't scared or it wasn't trying to really hide
and wanted me to see it. So I have hopes
that it will do it again.
Speaker 3: It definitely doesn't sound like it was frightened. But with
that in mind, I know it was nighttime, but could
you see any expression on its face?
Speaker 1: No, I really did not get a detailed look at
like the It's not so much the eyes or the
mouth when I think back to it, the color tone
seemed to dominate so much that I didn't see definition
of a mouth or eyes, not that I can remember.
Just like the coloration, the distinct coloration of the really
light like two thirds center of its head and then
the dark outer edges. It's almost like my eyes saw
the color and focused on the light to dark, and
it almost like I didn't really look at the you know,
I didn't kind of focus on the facial details that much.
And that could be maybe that's part of the camouflage
of it. If that's what the coloration does. Maybe, you know,
that's something that I've been I'm thinking about right now
that maybe that was for you know, maybe that's why
the coloration is the way it is, so if you
do see it, your eyes will be distracted, you know,
almost like a natural camouflage technique or pattern.
Speaker 3: You know, Mike, I think we have qualities that helped
make it more difficult to notice things like that had
the expression on its face. I think there are things
about our psyche that make it more difficult for us
to notice things like that. I mean, you see something
like that that, in your case, you definitely believed in
their existence. So when you finally have this quote unquote
once in a million experience, you're just flooded with emotions
and you're just trying to take this whole experience in
I wonder if that, more so than anything else, might
have played into your inability to see if it had
an expression on its face. Regardless of the reason, you
definitely cannot be faulted for not being able to see
what kind of an expression it had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could definitely see that that.
Speaker 2: Type of.
Speaker 1: The interaction being for that reason. Maybe it was given
me this confirmation because maybe I needed it. It could
tell what I do and what I've been trying to do,
and it wanted to give me like this confirmation to
kind of help me along kind of thing, I guess
the way to put it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be what was behind it. It's hard
to say. Now, you went to the cemetery to research
paranormal phenomena, so I'm sure you had researched the place beforehand,
But had you ever found out about any supposed Sasquatch
sightings that might have happened there.
Speaker 1: At West Branch. I went into West Branch without really
knowing much about it. I learned the history of the
family that owned the property before it became the park.
Speaker 2: It used to.
Speaker 1: Have a lot of streams that ran through a lot
of the area because they damned it in like the
nineteen fifties. I think they damned it and there used
to be structures around there, so, you know, I learned
a lot about it, but I had not heard anything
about Sasquatch sightings there until I talked to Jack Riggs.
Once I started talking to him, I had learned about
his sightings and other people that he associated with that
worked around there. I heard of their sightings and then
I seen the evidence from him, and that was the
first time I learned about Bigfoot being sighted there at
that area.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not lost on you. A lot of
people they'll have a Sasquatch experience and I think it's
just some ghost or a paranormal experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that first sighting I had at West Branch,
I was, you know, I had a lot of directions
in which way to take this because everything about it.
Speaker 2: Kind of had vibes to where to.
Speaker 1: Me it could have been fantast asthma in a form,
because like I said, it didn't. It seemed really shiny
and scaly, almost like armor on it, and it didn't
make any noise. But I saw it moving and its
head was very strange. It had a lot of weird tendrils.
It could have been big thick locks of hair, or
they were like some kind of strange tendril that was
hanging down that silhouetted around its head. So, you know,
my thoughts at first were, was this like an apparition
of something? If it was, you know, it definitely didn't
seem to appear as a human because it was very
I mean, it was much larger than a person. So
you know that, I could see how some people could
see maybe see something like that, have a sighting, and
they'll not sure what they're looking at. Is this some
kind of an apparition, a ghost, or is it, you know,
a crypto. Like my first experience, that was kind of
my feeling and what I was getting from it, and
that was and I was I was really like, I
was unwilling to label it as whatever. You know, maybe
it looked a little bit like a cryptid, so I'm
going to call it this, Or it looks like an apparition,
so I'm going to call.
Speaker 2: It a spirit.
Speaker 1: I couldn't label it because I'd never seen anything like
that before. But I know what you're saying, and I
could definitely see how people would maybe not be sure
about what they're looking at, especially when you get a glimpse.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Mike, that thing sounds pretty freaky to me,
that tendril's coming off of his head. He said, it
looked like maybe it's good you didn't get a better
look at the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know. I tell you what, out of
all the times I've been doing this over.
Speaker 1: The years, I'm usually not afraid of much. There really
isn't a lot that I'll get scared of. But when
I had that, my friend was filming me that night
and he was facing me when I had the sighting.
He even seen it himself. He was a witness to it.
He seen it as well, but the camera was looking
at me and I kind of was in the line
of view of it, so there was no like evidence
captured on video of it. But we both seen it,
and I was scared because I had seen it. It
was moving, I you know, just witnessed this crazy thing
that I tried to describe to you. And I saw
it moving to my right and I was like, where
did it just go? Is it going to be coming
back here? You know, Like all these thoughts are going
through my head, and I froze in place, and I
was scared because it looked so you know, it appeared
very real. It didn't appear like it was like a
ghost or anything that just disappeared. This looked like a
physical entity or being that was running and it was
pretty close. So yeah, that give me a fright.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure I got your motor run. Then if
that doesn't do it, I don't know what would. Let's
shift gears now. I'm sure you know about that recent
fallout regarding the Patterson Gimlin film. What are your thoughts
on all that? Has that film officially been debunked now?
For you or you still believe it's genuine?
Speaker 1: Well, that's difficult for me to really comment on because
I don't know a lot about the history behind it.
It would really be hard for me to make any
kind of a comment that would be just real speculation
about it. I've seen it, and what I've seen in
it looks like a flesh and blood creature.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: I believe that it was real, And I guess I
still believe that it's real, but I have I haven't
really dug into the people that are trying to debunk it.
I haven't dug into what they're trying to show to
debunk it. I kind of just leaving it alone myself.
I guess you'd say leaving it alone because I'm more
focused on what I'm doing, my own sightings and my
own experiences. I take that as like amazing video evidence
and somebody else's experience that they had, and I appreciate
it for what it is, and I'm not going to
really like spend too much of my time going into
the history or.
Speaker 2: What's come up with people trying to debunk it now.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if that's, you know, that's a
great answer to it or not. But again, it's something
that I don't know a lot about, and I think
it'd be kind of unfair for me to say more
than what my initial thoughts are of it.
Speaker 3: No, that's fair. That is fair. In my opinion, though,
Mike A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
And when it comes to all these attempts to debunk
the film, and my opinion, by far and away, the
weakest link is what about the suit? Back when that
film was shot, the best that Hollywood could do as
far as making suits to look like gorillas was what
you saw in the film what was the name of
that movie, Planet of the Apes. Yeah, think about how
cheesy those costumes were, and then now think about how
impressive that quote unquote suit was in the PGF in
the Patterson Gimlin film The suit. That's the weak link.
You still cannot explain to me how, if it was
a hoax, how someone just was able to create this
suit that was so far, it was so much better
than any suit that even Hollywood could have made. I
just don't buy it. I really don't from what I understand,
and I haven't really looked into this. From what I understand,
it's been purported that Bob Gimlin's son, I believe, said
that he was told to burn the suit or something
like that. Again, don't hold me to that. That's just
what I think I heard. And you know what they
say about what you hear, believe half of what you see,
none of what you hear. But that's what's been put
out there from what I understand. But yeah, I mean
back to the suit. I mean, I spoke with a
gentleman who was the leading authority and making suits like
that back then, had them as a guest on one
of my shows back in the early two thousands, and
even he told me, look, we did not have the
technology to make a suit like that back then. Well
that ends it for me. That just ends it. I
just cannot see how that could have been gotten around.
So in my opinion, that film can never be the
moment for whatever that's worth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can agree. Like I said, when I
seen it, I didn't think it was fake. I believed
it was real. And when I seen the thermal images
that I talked about that Jack captured at night at
West Branch, I've seen a lot of different entities in
the thermal that fit that size, that looked like that.
That if you were to take like say Patty from
that video and you were to see it in thermal,
there's some that look like that. So to me, that
that's just more of like, Okay, yeah, that is definitely real.
You know. It's just I think that there's more to
them than just that.
Speaker 2: That form and.
Speaker 1: That was you know, some of the other evidence I've
seen from the same area of the changing of the
figures into different shapes. But I've seen some full body
thermals that look just like that and same size and
the same resemblance.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I believe it. Yeah. I mean, I've spoken
with hundreds of people, very credible eyewitnesses who they say
that's what they saw. So I'm convinced the Patterson Gimmelin
film is legit. You can't convince me otherwise. If you've
had a bigfoot siding and I would like to be
a guest, please go to bigfootewitness dot com and let
me know. Now you've done field investigations with another well
known sasquatch investigator named Mike col Antonio. How'd you ever
get hooked up with him?
Speaker 2: Long Island Bigfoot? Mike?
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see. Oh boy, I'm trying to remember how
that first happened. It seems like it's been a while.
I think through a live stream with the cameraman with
Jack Riggs, or was with Jessica from the Crypti Huntress.
That's how I first I think met him was on
a podcast and we started talking, and we've.
Speaker 2: Talked to each other on podcasts online.
Speaker 1: On his I think he invited us on one of
his if I remember correctly, now, the first time was
on his podcast. Jack and I both were on there
talking to him about our experiences. There was an incident
that happened over here in Portage County about three years ago.
The entity in question for this we call jelly Man,
and what it appears to be is some kind of
an entity that is transparent that came up to Jack
when he was recording at a place we call Claim three.
This may have been brought Mike to reach out to
talk to us because he's seen that and he wanted
to talk to us more about this entity that we've
seen because it appeared to be something invisible, but you
could see it in the red spectrum of the light.
You can see an outline of something there.
Speaker 2: Very like.
Speaker 1: This was really amazing to see too, if you've never
seen it before. So it's some kind of an entity
that's hovering that comes up to Jack and you can
see it in the red spectrum of his light, but
it's pretty much transparent. It's really If it was white light,
I don't believe he would have seen it. I think
the frequency of the red light actually highlighted it and
otherwise we would.
Speaker 2: Never have known it as there.
Speaker 1: But that jelly Man we called it as the reason
why we got in touch with how I met Mike
and we got along great, you know, Mike's a fantastic guy.
I'm glad that I've met him, and I'm glad to
consider him a friend. And we had a great time together.
We traveled out Jack and I traveled out to Long
Island and we investigated some of his research sites. And
I had a fantastic time. And Mike's a great guy.
I enjoy talking to him. I talked to him a lot,
just aside from you know, investigating, we is talking. We
got a good friendship together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike is top notch. I can't say enough good
things about the man. I really can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we both served in the Army together, not in
the same unit, but I had been in the Marine
Corps Reserve and then I got into the National Guard,
so I had some military experience and Mike is also
an Army veteran, so you know, we do have some
in common when it comes to service too, which was
also something that kind of like we bonded over.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, if you know him that well, then can
you tell us any dirt on the guy that we
could possibly use to hold over his head?
Speaker 1: Maybe he live streams and drives at the same time.
That's about as much dirt as I got.
Speaker 3: Uh, oh, well that's a start.
Speaker 1: It's hands free though, so you know, that's about as
much as I can I could get him on.
Speaker 3: That's a definite start. Are there any well known places
for sasquatch sightings that are on your bucket list? If so,
what would be number one?
Speaker 1: Well, I would say, if I could choose someplace to go,
I would like to go out to Washington. I would
like to go out to Washington to see if I
have any experiences out there. I hear that's a.
Speaker 2: The epicenter of bigfoot sightings for the US.
Speaker 3: I can definitely understand why you'd want to go out there. Yeah,
I've been there and it's squatch is I'll get out.
So if you went there, I'm not going to say
you definitely would have an experience, but if you went
to the right places, they sure would be awfully good, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and probably Canada. I've heard some interesting things in
Canada as well. I seem like there's a Swan Lake
and that would probably be another area that I would
I would like to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, a lot of good places up there as well,
so I definitely understand. Well, it's about time for us
to call it, Mike but before we do, please tell
us more about your podcast MT Paranormal Life and how
we can listen to it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I do videos and live streaming on YouTube MT Paranormal
Life on YouTube. I do have a Facebook group that
is a place where a lot of the members can
share things on the You can pretty much do things
on the Facebook group that you can't do on YouTube,
you know, show some evidence from the videos. I leave
it open so people can post clips and things like that,
so you can find me on YouTube on the channel
where you can go to Empty Paranormal Life on Facebook
and join the group.
Speaker 2: And then I do.
Speaker 1: Post some reels from time to time on Instagram, more
shorts things like I do on YouTube.
Speaker 3: For everyone listening, I'm going to post links to not
only the YouTube channel, but also to the group on Facebook.
Got to make it really easy to find. But having
said that, Mike, I can't thank you enough for coming
on and share the details of all these experiences with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: My pleasure. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you're welcome, it's been fun. Well, thanks again
so much for your time and have a great night.
Speaker 4: That's it. Another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff.
If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to
be a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot
eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd love to
hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have a great night.