1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:05,559 Speaker 1: My name is Mike Torninkasso. I'm fifty years old. I 2 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:08,960 grew up in a little town called Struthers in Ohio, 3 00:00:09,759 --> 00:00:12,439 and for the past four years I've been doing content 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,839 on YouTube regarding paranormal experiences, which have led me down 5 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:21,600 all kinds of avenues, from paranormal to cryptid encounters. When 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,079 it came to crypti encounters, my very first experience was 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,800 about four years ago at a park called West Branch 8 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:34,439 in Raveno, Ohio. I had a sighting there of a 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,840 very large entity. It was very shiny when I've seen 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,960 it with my flashlight. I was in a cemetery. It 11 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:45,280 was an old family cemetery from a family there name 12 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:48,840 was the Elliott family. They had an old family plot 13 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:51,479 they used to own the property that became the park, 14 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:56,079 and I was doing an investigation at this old cemetery. 15 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:56,439 Speaker 2: At the time. 16 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: I had turned just like I commonly do when I'm 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,840 looking around the area with my flashlights. This was probably 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,319 around ten PM Eastern time, so it was dark, and 19 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:13,280 I looked towards the southerly direction, which was towards the lake, 20 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:18,879 which was probably one hundred yards in that direction. And 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,319 when I turned that direction with my lights. I had 22 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:26,680 seen something that looked like my best description was the 23 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:30,599 Predator from the Predator movie. It was very shiny, almost 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,400 looked like it had armor or scales, and its head 25 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:37,439 had weird tendrils or maybe it was hair that were 26 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,400 in locks. It was hard to tell because I only 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,120 seen it for a brief second, and it was moving 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,680 at a high rate of speed to the west or 29 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:50,760 to my right. And when I seen this, I frozen place. 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: I was stunned. 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: You know, this was something that I'd never expected to 32 00:01:55,879 --> 00:02:00,239 experience because I didn't think things like this existed or 33 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:04,879 were out there. I was there listening for voices, looking 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,080 for activity on paranormal devices, and then this happened. And 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,080 this was the moment where everything changed for me with 36 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:15,479 what I had been expecting or what. 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: Was out there. Now. 38 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,199 Speaker 1: My next experience, this was a sasquatch sighting, and this 39 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,639 was recent, only a few weeks ago. I was out 40 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:33,599 in Cuyahoga Valley National Forest, out in Summit County, Ohio, 41 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,240 and I was doing a live stream. There had been 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,240 things happening that I could hear, and I believe everybody 43 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,560 watching the live stream heard them. They were like chattering 44 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,439 voices that didn't really seem to say anything I could understand. 45 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,240 I was hearing knocking sounds that I don't know if 46 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,199 the knocking sounds were something hitting a tree, but that's 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:00,080 what it sounded like. And this led to me moving 48 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,120 around as I commonly do. I was trying to get 49 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:06,319 closer to where the sounds were, and I was trying 50 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,919 to use my own tree knocker to make sounds back 51 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,000 because I had heard this is how sasquatches communicate through knocking, 52 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:22,000 so I was repeating knocks back and I had turned 53 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,280 in one direction. I really don't know which direction I 54 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:29,120 was facing, but when I turned that way, there was 55 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,800 I seen it. This is the first time I ever 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,319 had seen a sasquatch that I recognized. It was leaning 57 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:37,840 out from a tree, probably about fifty feet away from me, 58 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:41,000 but it wasn't just peaking a little bit. It was 59 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:43,759 leaning at like forty five degree angle out from the 60 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,919 tree for a solid one to two seconds. I could 61 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,960 see the color of its fur. It had a really 62 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,360 light colored fur which covered the center most part of 63 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,520 its head and very dark contrast for on the outer edges. 64 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,039 When I seen it, I was really surprised. I was 65 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,560 shocked and excited, and I immediately wanted to get closer, 66 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:13,560 to bring the camera towards it to see if there's 67 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:17,240 any chance I could see it again. So I started 68 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,800 to advance towards it. At first, I started to move quick, 69 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,600 almost running, and I realized I should probably calm down 70 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,759 and not seem aggressive at all, because I just wanted 71 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,839 to get closer, maybe communicate, and see what would happen. 72 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,199 So as I started getting closer to the trees where 73 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:39,759 I'd seen it, I did not see it anymore, but 74 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:42,920 I started to hear knocking sounds. One was very close 75 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:47,000 to me. It almost sounded like it was to my left, 76 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:52,720 within maybe ten or fifteen feet. Then I heard another knock, 77 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:57,120 which was distant in the opposite direction. So then I 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,319 started to wonder if there were more of them out there. 79 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,279 And during this timeframe, I was continuing to talk because 80 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:09,360 I feel that even entities out there like Sasquatch, or 81 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,160 even others that I've heard of like dog men or spirits, 82 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,639 your vocal communication is always very important, whether or not 83 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,160 they understand what you're saying. You know, I put all 84 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,879 that aside because I think your intentions are known, even 85 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,959 when your words might not be, so I continue to 86 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:32,079 just talk in curious like a curious tone is what 87 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:34,439 I'm saying. When I talk, I ask questions. 88 00:05:34,879 --> 00:05:35,439 Speaker 2: I keep my. 89 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: Voice calm and not angry, you know, just like I 90 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,639 would be talking to anybody else. And then I heard 91 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,120 more knocking sounds coming from my left further back. There 92 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,160 were two of them in rapid response, but they were 93 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:54,839 far apart, probably at least one hundred feet apart. So 94 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,160 then I really had the suspicion that there were more 95 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:01,279 than one that were out there. And this was a 96 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:04,399 very exciting encounter for me. This was one of the 97 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:09,240 only times that I've been able to identify a sasquatch. 98 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:14,360 And when I first seen it, my mind said, oh, 99 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:16,720 it's Chewbacca from Star Wars, even though you know that 100 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,639 sounds kind of silly, but that's the impression I got 101 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:21,920 when I seen in its head. It was very vivid, 102 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,920 and I believe it wanted me to see it now 103 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,480 throughout the rest of that night, through the lock Because 104 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,560 I was live streaming on YouTube when this happened, and 105 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,360 you can see it on the live stream, it's not 106 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,680 very clear. The quality of the live stream is not 107 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:42,160 that great. Plus it was nighttime with flashlights, but it's 108 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,759 still visible. So if you go to that live stream, 109 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,000 you still can see the sasquatch peeking around the tree, 110 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:52,879 leaning around the tree, looking at me. And I've been 111 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,040 back there since then. I have not come across it visibly. Again, 112 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,920 I haven't seen it, but I keep visiting this air 113 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:02,759 now to see what kind of interactions I have. 114 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: You had your first sighting while you were there at 115 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,439 Elliott Cemetery in West Branch, Ohio. You said, how sure 116 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,720 are you that that was actually a sasquatch? 117 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:18,319 Speaker 1: Though, Well, everything about it that I had seen did 118 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,759 not meet what the traditional sasquatch looks like. The only 119 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:29,480 resemblance was the size, because this was probably about, from 120 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,560 what I could tell, at least eight foot tall, so 121 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:34,120 it was bipedal. 122 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: It was moving on two legs. 123 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: It was really tall, like it wasn't human, you know, 124 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:43,600 it was much larger, But I didn't know what i'd 125 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,319 seen at that moment for me to say it wasn't 126 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:50,720 a sasquatch, you know, everything about what I had seen 127 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:55,839 says probably not. But I really don't know, so it's 128 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:59,160 hard for me to. 129 00:07:57,839 --> 00:07:58,639 Speaker 2: Say it was. 130 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,839 Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards it wasn't, but I really don't know 131 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:05,600 what it was, so there's still possibility it could have been, 132 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:09,959 you know, So that one's kind of like an unknown 133 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,279 for me. That's why I haven't referred to it as 134 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:14,000 a sasquatch when I talk about it. 135 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: Man, that's just one of the things that adds interest 136 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:20,319 to all this. It really does. And for anyone listening 137 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,199 who doesn't understand this, sasquatch apparently can cloak and look 138 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:27,800 like what he described. So that's why I asked about 139 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:30,839 that possibly being a sasquatch and how sure he was 140 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,759 that that's what it was. Now, when you had your 141 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,919 first clear sighting, you said you saw that sasquatch from 142 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,759 about fifty feet away or so. Was that experience a 143 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,399 turning point for you regarding your investigations in the field 144 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:50,039 that led you to start focusing more on sasquatch than 145 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,879 on the paranormal or do you still focus more on 146 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:55,320 the paranormal than you do on sasquatch. 147 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think this sighting has led me to be 148 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,639 a little bit more balanced. And I say that because 149 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:10,279 I've always kind of more focused on spirit communication and 150 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:16,559 paranormal encounters like that. But I had always known. Especially 151 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,960 after my setting at West Branch, I started to realize 152 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,480 there are other things out here, and automatically one of 153 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,600 the things that came to mind was people reporting bigfoot 154 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,519 segers around the area. This led me to make a 155 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,559 good friend of mine. His name was Jack Riggs. He's 156 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,679 known as the Cameraman from the Cameraman Crew. I knew 157 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,679 that he'd had done crypton research in that same area 158 00:09:42,759 --> 00:09:45,679 in West Branch, so this kind of led me to 159 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,279 him to talk to him about my experiences, and we 160 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,639 started working together. And I had seen evidence of more 161 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,240 entities out there West Branch that I believed were a 162 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,639 sasquatch or other things, but some of them I could 163 00:09:59,639 --> 00:10:04,679 identif from the pictures they were sasquatch. So, you know, 164 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,519 even though I can't say that I had seen a 165 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,240 sasquatch up to this point, i'd seen the entity at 166 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:12,320 West Branch, which I was onto ropes about saying it 167 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,639 was a sasquatch because of its description didn't fit the 168 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:22,000 usual to seeing what I had witnessed on the video 169 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:28,039 and photographs from the cameraman to understanding now that, okay, 170 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:28,639 you know. 171 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: They're out there. 172 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: So I had always been accepting that they're there, especially 173 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:40,360 after my sighting that first sighting that their entities there 174 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,279 and sasquatch is probably there, even though I hadn't seen one. 175 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,639 I believed Jack, believed other people that I had run 176 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,799 into over the years that told me their experiences. I'd 177 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,519 worked with other investigators and heard their experiences and had 178 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,440 some of my own, but I had not seen really 179 00:11:02,799 --> 00:11:06,360 a sasquatching person yet. Everything's been elusive, but I've had 180 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,000 some really interesting encounters that were very unexplainable and seemed 181 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:18,480 to offer evidence of bigfoot all but actually seeing one, 182 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,039 so I knew they were there. So my investigations were 183 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,799 kind of geared towards understanding they're there, trying to interact 184 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:33,440 with cryptids that are out there, and I still would 185 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,559 set up and try to do spearit communication sessions out 186 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,960 in the woods. I would listen to see what messages 187 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,279 come through, and I would have encounters like knocks, objects 188 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:50,639 being thrown. So I kind of had been floating back 189 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:53,519 and forth like kind of doing one style of investigation, 190 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:58,600 which left the door open for encountering what appeared to 191 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,440 be watch or other crypti kind of behavior. 192 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:05,039 Speaker 2: So I would say. 193 00:12:04,879 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: That my investigations have been balanced when I'm out in 194 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:12,799 the woods and I'm in that environment. But then I 195 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,840 sometimes will investigate places that have a history of hauntings, 196 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,519 and when I do that, it's pretty much solely focused 197 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:27,320 on evidence of spirit interactions or poltergeist. So it's kind 198 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,600 of like, you know, I kind of bounce around, but 199 00:12:29,759 --> 00:12:34,679 I do that because of the experiences. I know what's there, 200 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:37,879 and I like to try to capture evidence of, you know, 201 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,480 the different kinds of encounters that we can have. 202 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,919 Speaker 3: Sounds to me like you're awfully methodical. That's impressive, and 203 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,840 since you've been doing this as long as you have, 204 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,919 it sure sounds to me like you really know what 205 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,480 you're doing there. With that in mind, I'm sure it's 206 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:55,440 not lost on you that a lot of people draw 207 00:12:55,519 --> 00:13:00,120 a connection between Sasquatch and the pearanormal. Do you think 208 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:03,519 Sasquatch are supernatural beings or do you think they're just 209 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:04,639 flesh and blood. 210 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: Well, my opinion is that they are higher dimensional beings. 211 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:17,200 And some of the reasons why I say that it 212 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:20,399 goes back to the very beginning when I had my sighting. 213 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,840 The evidence that I seen from Jack the cameraman showed 214 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,960 the entities that when I seen them and the thermo images, 215 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,799 most of them were full bodied, bipedal creatures that had 216 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:43,000 every every shape, every part of their body, looked like 217 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,960 a sasquatch, and there was very unique heat signatures to 218 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:51,679 the heads. And then he showed me variants of that 219 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:55,720 from the same areas where they had changed form and 220 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:59,600 looked like they had turned into some kind of a 221 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:03,600 different shape of energy or something. But their head signature 222 00:14:04,919 --> 00:14:08,200 seemed to move like an orb after it changed, and 223 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,639 it looked like they traveled and disappeared. And once I 224 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,120 started seeing that, it kind of made me realize that 225 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,039 there's something else happening with them, and this might be 226 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,759 the answer to why they're always elusive or why they 227 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,919 might be there and then they're gone suddenly and you 228 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,919 can't find them. So I my opinion from what I've 229 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,799 experienced and seen is that they're a higher dimensional being 230 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,600 that seems to be able to disguise their form or 231 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:46,600 change their form. So I can see how there's some 232 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,639 kind of a connection to energy of the land, and 233 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:56,879 that same energy frequencies and vibrations could be a connection 234 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:04,000 between the residual state spirits that communicate with you that's 235 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:08,960 here it could be connected to a form of energy 236 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:12,759 that's always around us, that's like on a higher dimensional level, 237 00:15:12,919 --> 00:15:17,840 or frequency that's around that's hard to or we might 238 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,120 just not understand how it works. 239 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: You really have put a lot of work into this. Yeah, 240 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:29,159 that's impressive. I'm firmly convinced, Mike that dog men can 241 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,720 have different origins, such as I think some dogmen are 242 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:37,440 flesh and blood. I think others are spiritual beings. I 243 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,840 think others just might have been created in a laboratory 244 00:15:40,879 --> 00:15:45,039 in a test tube. I think others might have alien origins. 245 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,720 When it comes to sasquatch, do you think all sasquatch 246 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,879 are the way you described or are you open to 247 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:54,840 the possibility that some Sasquatch are flesh and blood creatures, 248 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:59,879 others might be spiritual beings, others might have alien origin. 249 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,240 What's your thought on that? 250 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:07,639 Speaker 1: Well, my thoughts are very open to the possibilities. I've 251 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,879 seen and heard some compelling evidence even that they are 252 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:17,240 flesh and blood and that they travel using something called 253 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:22,559 a staff, and I seen an encounter once. This is 254 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:24,600 how I'm going to tell you about this experience. This 255 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:28,679 was one that was another very compelling bit of evidence 256 00:16:28,679 --> 00:16:32,960 that I seen that opened my mind to a different 257 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:39,080 side of Sasquatch. I was watching a live stream with Jack, 258 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,200 the cameraman, and he was with Trapper. They were at 259 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,840 West Branch and there was like a mound by them, 260 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,320 and they were talking about something moving by the mound, 261 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,200 and then I saw a shadow, a dark shadow of 262 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,360 something when it looked like they turned and when their 263 00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:04,200 heads were away from it, they were looking away. I 264 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,039 saw it move quickly and it ran to the left 265 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:10,480 as you were looking at it on screen, and I 266 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:12,559 saw it very clear, and I was like, WHOA. 267 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, what was that? 268 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: And I was like I wanted to see more about it, 269 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,319 So I kept watching that section over. 270 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,079 Speaker 2: I clipped it. 271 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,519 Speaker 1: I kept watching it, and I wanted to see where 272 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:26,799 it came from. I'm like, it's there, you can see it. 273 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,720 Where did it just come from? And I saw a 274 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:35,000 very strange shape or change what looked like some kind 275 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:37,440 of a stick. I just call it a stick because 276 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,880 that's what it looked like. I saw what looked like 277 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,000 part of a stick that the light was shining on 278 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:45,759 and it looked white from the reflection, and then I 279 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:49,359 saw it literally kind of looked like it just appeared 280 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:56,480 and something changed with this stick and then you could 281 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:00,440 see it like kind of scatter off and move, and 282 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:02,680 this was just like pretty amazing to me to see this. 283 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:04,799 I was like Wow, I was like, what just happened. 284 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,000 I think some of the answers we get, some of 285 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,400 the reasons that we discover these things were kind of 286 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,720 meant for us because what had happened in the near future. 287 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:18,200 After this, I saw a podcast with a guy's name 288 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,079 was William for Maryland Squatch Watchers, and I heard him 289 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,559 talking to somebody and he started talking about sasquatch and 290 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,519 they use something to travel. They can travel and disappear 291 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:34,920 and move to different locations with something. 292 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: Called a staff. 293 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: And he was talking about this staff and he drew 294 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,319 a picture on the live stream to explain it. And 295 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,640 he drew the picture and it looked just like the 296 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,240 stick that I call a stick where this dark shadow 297 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,480 bipedal thing appeared. It was very dark and everything about 298 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,240 it had shaped its shoulders, its arms. When I seen 299 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:05,440 the shadow thing up here and move looked like just 300 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,880 a silhouette, made me think. 301 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: It was a sasquatch. 302 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: And there was William drawing this picture of a staff, 303 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,519 and I remembered that stick that I saw that I 304 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,200 kept watching the replay over and over of how it 305 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,839 just seemed to somehow this stick kind of moved positions 306 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:25,480 and then all of a sudden it kind of was gone. 307 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:29,240 And I seen that thing running and I was like shocked. 308 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:32,480 I'm like, there's no way. I'm like, this is amazing. 309 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,279 Then I started I got in touch with William from 310 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,160 Maryland's Watch Watchers, and I started talking to him about this. 311 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,559 I did a podcast with him, and I was picking 312 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:44,160 his brain on this because I was fascinated by this 313 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,559 and this was something that again, these are the things 314 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:53,200 that have led me to the understanding, or I call 315 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:59,079 it the awakening, that there's entities out there, you know. 316 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,960 And at first my experiences were on the spiritual side, 317 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,079 being contacted by someone talking to me that I believe 318 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:09,279 had passed on, and all of a sudden, there I 319 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,119 am in the woods investigating a cemetery and I have 320 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,880 the sighting of the thing at West Branch I can't identify. 321 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,480 And then it's been leading me down this trail of 322 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:21,079 all this evidence and things that I've seen that are 323 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,240 leading towards other kinds of entities that are out there. 324 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:32,319 So I definitely believe bigfoot can be various things, whether 325 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,279 or not they are different per se species or something 326 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,240 like that, or maybe they all have some ability and 327 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:42,759 they just use it in different ways. Those are all 328 00:20:43,079 --> 00:20:46,519 questions that, you know, maybe we'll never find the answers to, 329 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,240 but I've always been okay with. 330 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,519 Speaker 2: Not getting the answers. 331 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: For me, it's about the experiences and capturing these things 332 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,319 on video, sharing these things, because you know, these things 333 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:00,119 started showing themselves to me a long time ago, and 334 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,720 I've always wanted to show other people these things, and 335 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:08,920 that's why I do it. So the phenomenon of bigfoot 336 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,200 has been showing itself to me in so many different 337 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,119 ways that I'm open to any possibilities. 338 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:19,319 Speaker 3: You know, it's always good to be that way. It 339 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,359 seems like a lot of eyewitnesses, a lot of Sasquatch eyewitnesses, 340 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,640 have a history of paranormal experiences. In your case, do 341 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,599 you think the fact that you'd already had paranormal experiences 342 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,079 explains why you might have had that sighting that night 343 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,559 during the live stream, or do you think they were 344 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,240 just totally unrelated. 345 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,039 Speaker 1: I do believe that there may be a certain level 346 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:51,119 of being interacting or something interacting with you that's paranormal, 347 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:57,039 whether it's spirits or something else that somehow changes part 348 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:01,680 of you. And it might be because you change it yourself. 349 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,799 It's probably a frequency or a vibration of your own body. 350 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,799 And again this is where I call the awakening. I 351 00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:11,400 think when you have the awakening, it's because of an encounter, 352 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,720 and that encounter changes you. And I think that affects 353 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,519 your whole body's level of frequency and vibration. And I 354 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:23,400 think that is something that is recognized by the spirits 355 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,480 to communicate with you. And now I'm starting to see 356 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:31,039 it could be because that's why some of these what 357 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,000 I think are cryptids I've had encounters with. So I 358 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,839 do feel that is a reason why some of these 359 00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:44,680 encounters that i'm have originated from or from this change, 360 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,319 and why others who have had these experiences will continue 361 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,920 to have encounters that are both maybe you could say 362 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:58,440 paranormal with spirit encounters or even from cryptids when they're out. 363 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,599 Speaker 3: And about Mike, when you said that you'd still be 364 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,359 okey if you never did find out definitively what these 365 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,920 guys are that told me a lot about you, a 366 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,799 lot of investigators. They just hang on the possibility that 367 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,039 they've got to find out what sasquatch are, They've got 368 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:19,720 to have another better sighting, And it seems like in 369 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:22,680 some ways they can't see the forest for the trees. 370 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:25,640 But it sounds to me like you just enjoy the process. 371 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,279 You enjoy going out there and doing the investigations and 372 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,279 learning what you can. 373 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: Is that accurate? 374 00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 3: Or am I seeing things that aren't there? 375 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: No, that's that's right. I like to term myself as 376 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,599 a paranormal experiencer. And when I say paranormal, to me, 377 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,920 that means crypti encounters as well, because to us, the 378 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:55,599 encounters you have with cryptids, I still consider it to 379 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359 be paranormal because that's not normal for us, you know, 380 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,160 or what we can say, or normal whether or not 381 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:03,920 you know, I'm starting to think that it is normal. 382 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,880 But paranormal is just a term that you know, we 383 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,720 use for the things we can't explain. But yeah, I've 384 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,920 I like to refer to myself as a paranormal experiencer. 385 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,359 And I've always said from the beginning, something I've felt 386 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,559 was that I don't really want the answers I do 387 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,920 ask questions. Sometimes that might be about understanding or maybe 388 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,000 trying to get answers, but I'm not expecting answers, and 389 00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:40,000 I like to just see what kind of experiences I have, 390 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,119 and it seems to be seems to have opened me 391 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:50,599 up and changed my vibration and frequency to where I 392 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,039 think it's making a positive impact, and it seems to 393 00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,880 be why I have encounters that. 394 00:24:58,279 --> 00:24:58,559 Speaker 2: Happen. 395 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:02,799 Speaker 1: And I believe in manifesting the experiences and that comes 396 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:07,799 with the things within you. You know, you're like a beacon. 397 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,319 These experiences change you change your body, change everything about 398 00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:15,519 how your heart beats and how your brain works, and 399 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,920 you become like a beacon of frequency, and that's how 400 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,920 you're recognized. And I think that I'm kind of like 401 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,039 I'm floating on this frequency of vibration and the things 402 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:32,599 out there are curious about me, or something like that 403 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,279 is happening. 404 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 3: I think. I know you're going to answer this question 405 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,920 coming up, but just to be thorough, I'm going to 406 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,519 ask it anyway. Did that clear sighting that you had 407 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:46,440 that night add more zeal to your investigations or did 408 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,400 it not move the needle all that much because you 409 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,440 were already zealous about this before you have that sighting. 410 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:57,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely change my dynamic a little bit. 411 00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: Like it was, it was an experience and one that 412 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:07,240 I was really excited to have because I always wondered 413 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:13,400 if I would ever see one. But like I said, 414 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,039 I'm totally convinced they're there, and I believe all the 415 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,359 encounters that people have had with their personal experiences of. 416 00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:24,599 Speaker 2: Bigfoot, and it has changed me a little bit. 417 00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: I think when I do I do weekly live streams, 418 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,759 and I think that's become my focus of my live 419 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:36,359 streams is to continue to see what kind of encounters 420 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,640 I can have, to see if this sasquatch that showed 421 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,079 itself a couple of weeks ago when I was live 422 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,839 streaming might come back again, or if it's going to 423 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,039 be just a one time thing. You know, I'm not sure, 424 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,880 but so it has affected parts of what I do. 425 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,960 And that's one example would be that if you. 426 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 3: Have an experience like that, it's going to affect you 427 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,119 or the other It's definitely gonna affect Yeah, now you 428 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,920 already believed in their existence before you had that clear 429 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,160 sighting that night, but did you still walk around the 430 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,960 next day in a haze or did you handle it 431 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,759 better than that. 432 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: Well, I was excited about it. 433 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,759 Speaker 1: I was letting people know, you know about it, that 434 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:26,559 I that are in the community, friends that have seen bigfoot. 435 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,799 I was letting everybody know that, hey, you know, one 436 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,519 presented itself to me and showed itself and I was 437 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,200 not expecting to see like this two tone color to it, 438 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,759 which really surprised me and I thought was pretty amazing. 439 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,319 And you know, so it didn't really put me in 440 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,200 much of a haze. It really just kind of got 441 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,240 me excited. And I really look forward to going back 442 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,000 to that area on my weekly cycle and continue to 443 00:27:55,039 --> 00:28:00,759 see what happens, because I would like to document more 444 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,799 interacting if it's whether it's the same one or if 445 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,079 there's more out there, which I feel there's more out there, 446 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,640 and you know, I want to keep going a little 447 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,160 bit more into detail with this interaction with the sasquatch. 448 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 2: There. 449 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: This is again, this is in the Cayoga Valley National 450 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,039 Forest over here in Summer County, and see, you know, 451 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,000 see what they do. See if they will show themselves again, 452 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,000 which I don't know if this was a lucky one 453 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,559 time opportunity or if they'll show themselves again. 454 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,319 Speaker 3: I don't know when you consider the fact that when 455 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,960 you saw clearly wanted you to see it. Maybe they're 456 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,599 drawn to you. Now, i'd be surprised if you don't 457 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:44,119 have at least one other siding. 458 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:49,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well, because it 459 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:53,799 definitely stood out. And every time I play it back 460 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,400 or I look at that clip from the live stream, 461 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:01,720 and it was not like just trying to barely see me. 462 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,599 This thing was like leaning, like I said, like a 463 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:09,039 forty five degree out, like it shoulders out and just 464 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,240 kind of like stopped for a second almost two and 465 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:13,480 just like was looking at me. 466 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: That made me think that. 467 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,759 Speaker 1: It wasn't scared or it wasn't trying to really hide 468 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,720 and wanted me to see it. So I have hopes 469 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,400 that it will do it again. 470 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,759 Speaker 3: It definitely doesn't sound like it was frightened. But with 471 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,359 that in mind, I know it was nighttime, but could 472 00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:33,119 you see any expression on its face? 473 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:39,759 Speaker 1: No, I really did not get a detailed look at 474 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,319 like the It's not so much the eyes or the 475 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:50,319 mouth when I think back to it, the color tone 476 00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:55,640 seemed to dominate so much that I didn't see definition 477 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:58,920 of a mouth or eyes, not that I can remember. 478 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,880 Just like the coloration, the distinct coloration of the really 479 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,480 light like two thirds center of its head and then 480 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:15,279 the dark outer edges. It's almost like my eyes saw 481 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,240 the color and focused on the light to dark, and 482 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,799 it almost like I didn't really look at the you know, 483 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:29,599 I didn't kind of focus on the facial details that much. 484 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,519 And that could be maybe that's part of the camouflage 485 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,759 of it. If that's what the coloration does. Maybe, you know, 486 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,240 that's something that I've been I'm thinking about right now 487 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:42,200 that maybe that was for you know, maybe that's why 488 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,240 the coloration is the way it is, so if you 489 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,720 do see it, your eyes will be distracted, you know, 490 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:53,599 almost like a natural camouflage technique or pattern. 491 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,839 Speaker 3: You know, Mike, I think we have qualities that helped 492 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,359 make it more difficult to notice things like that had 493 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,119 the expression on its face. I think there are things 494 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,480 about our psyche that make it more difficult for us 495 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,680 to notice things like that. I mean, you see something 496 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,039 like that that, in your case, you definitely believed in 497 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:17,720 their existence. So when you finally have this quote unquote 498 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:21,559 once in a million experience, you're just flooded with emotions 499 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:24,000 and you're just trying to take this whole experience in 500 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,799 I wonder if that, more so than anything else, might 501 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,240 have played into your inability to see if it had 502 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,640 an expression on its face. Regardless of the reason, you 503 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,079 definitely cannot be faulted for not being able to see 504 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,799 what kind of an expression it had. 505 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I could definitely see that that. 506 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: Type of. 507 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: The interaction being for that reason. Maybe it was given 508 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:57,519 me this confirmation because maybe I needed it. It could 509 00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,720 tell what I do and what I've been trying to do, 510 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,960 and it wanted to give me like this confirmation to 511 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:10,440 kind of help me along kind of thing, I guess 512 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,119 the way to put it. 513 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be what was behind it. It's hard 514 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:18,240 to say. Now, you went to the cemetery to research 515 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:22,960 paranormal phenomena, so I'm sure you had researched the place beforehand, 516 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,119 But had you ever found out about any supposed Sasquatch 517 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,920 sightings that might have happened there. 518 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:36,039 Speaker 1: At West Branch. I went into West Branch without really 519 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:41,720 knowing much about it. I learned the history of the 520 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,720 family that owned the property before it became the park. 521 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,119 Speaker 2: It used to. 522 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: Have a lot of streams that ran through a lot 523 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,640 of the area because they damned it in like the 524 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,000 nineteen fifties. I think they damned it and there used 525 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,759 to be structures around there, so, you know, I learned 526 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:09,960 a lot about it, but I had not heard anything 527 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,640 about Sasquatch sightings there until I talked to Jack Riggs. 528 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,839 Once I started talking to him, I had learned about 529 00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:20,680 his sightings and other people that he associated with that 530 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,160 worked around there. I heard of their sightings and then 531 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,759 I seen the evidence from him, and that was the 532 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:33,240 first time I learned about Bigfoot being sighted there at 533 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,759 that area. 534 00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:36,559 Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not lost on you. A lot of 535 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:40,240 people they'll have a Sasquatch experience and I think it's 536 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,400 just some ghost or a paranormal experience. 537 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that first sighting I had at West Branch, 538 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,680 I was, you know, I had a lot of directions 539 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,599 in which way to take this because everything about it. 540 00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: Kind of had vibes to where to. 541 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: Me it could have been fantast asthma in a form, 542 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,559 because like I said, it didn't. It seemed really shiny 543 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:09,400 and scaly, almost like armor on it, and it didn't 544 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,039 make any noise. But I saw it moving and its 545 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,880 head was very strange. It had a lot of weird tendrils. 546 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,199 It could have been big thick locks of hair, or 547 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,960 they were like some kind of strange tendril that was 548 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,880 hanging down that silhouetted around its head. So, you know, 549 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,199 my thoughts at first were, was this like an apparition 550 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,639 of something? If it was, you know, it definitely didn't 551 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,880 seem to appear as a human because it was very 552 00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:44,159 I mean, it was much larger than a person. So 553 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,000 you know that, I could see how some people could 554 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:49,760 see maybe see something like that, have a sighting, and 555 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,599 they'll not sure what they're looking at. Is this some 556 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,199 kind of an apparition, a ghost, or is it, you know, 557 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,599 a crypto. Like my first experience, that was kind of 558 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,920 my feeling and what I was getting from it, and 559 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,079 that was and I was I was really like, I 560 00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:13,559 was unwilling to label it as whatever. You know, maybe 561 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,960 it looked a little bit like a cryptid, so I'm 562 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,199 going to call it this, Or it looks like an apparition, 563 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,119 so I'm going to call. 564 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 2: It a spirit. 565 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: I couldn't label it because I'd never seen anything like 566 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,360 that before. But I know what you're saying, and I 567 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,280 could definitely see how people would maybe not be sure 568 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,159 about what they're looking at, especially when you get a glimpse. 569 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 3: I don't know, Mike, that thing sounds pretty freaky to me, 570 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:41,800 that tendril's coming off of his head. He said, it 571 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,440 looked like maybe it's good you didn't get a better 572 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:45,320 look at the thing. 573 00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know. I tell you what, out of 574 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,440 all the times I've been doing this over. 575 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: The years, I'm usually not afraid of much. There really 576 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,119 isn't a lot that I'll get scared of. But when 577 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,599 I had that, my friend was filming me that night 578 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,119 and he was facing me when I had the sighting. 579 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,079 He even seen it himself. He was a witness to it. 580 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,880 He seen it as well, but the camera was looking 581 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,639 at me and I kind of was in the line 582 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,719 of view of it, so there was no like evidence 583 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,800 captured on video of it. But we both seen it, 584 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,400 and I was scared because I had seen it. It 585 00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,920 was moving, I you know, just witnessed this crazy thing 586 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,079 that I tried to describe to you. And I saw 587 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:34,239 it moving to my right and I was like, where 588 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,920 did it just go? Is it going to be coming 589 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,920 back here? You know, Like all these thoughts are going 590 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,480 through my head, and I froze in place, and I 591 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,039 was scared because it looked so you know, it appeared 592 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,639 very real. It didn't appear like it was like a 593 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,280 ghost or anything that just disappeared. This looked like a 594 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,039 physical entity or being that was running and it was 595 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,480 pretty close. So yeah, that give me a fright. 596 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure I got your motor run. Then if 597 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,199 that doesn't do it, I don't know what would. Let's 598 00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,400 shift gears now. I'm sure you know about that recent 599 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,679 fallout regarding the Patterson Gimlin film. What are your thoughts 600 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,760 on all that? Has that film officially been debunked now? 601 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,480 For you or you still believe it's genuine? 602 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,679 Speaker 1: Well, that's difficult for me to really comment on because 603 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,719 I don't know a lot about the history behind it. 604 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,280 It would really be hard for me to make any 605 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,039 kind of a comment that would be just real speculation 606 00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:45,599 about it. I've seen it, and what I've seen in 607 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:49,320 it looks like a flesh and blood creature. 608 00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 2: And. 609 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: I believe that it was real, And I guess I 610 00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,320 still believe that it's real, but I have I haven't 611 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,480 really dug into the people that are trying to debunk it. 612 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,599 I haven't dug into what they're trying to show to 613 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,199 debunk it. I kind of just leaving it alone myself. 614 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:19,119 I guess you'd say leaving it alone because I'm more 615 00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:22,280 focused on what I'm doing, my own sightings and my 616 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,239 own experiences. I take that as like amazing video evidence 617 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:33,800 and somebody else's experience that they had, and I appreciate 618 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,159 it for what it is, and I'm not going to 619 00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:43,320 really like spend too much of my time going into 620 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,480 the history or. 621 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,519 Speaker 2: What's come up with people trying to debunk it now. 622 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if that's, you know, that's a 623 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,599 great answer to it or not. But again, it's something 624 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:56,920 that I don't know a lot about, and I think 625 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,719 it'd be kind of unfair for me to say more 626 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,800 than what my initial thoughts are of it. 627 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,679 Speaker 3: No, that's fair. That is fair. In my opinion, though, 628 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,920 Mike A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. 629 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,199 And when it comes to all these attempts to debunk 630 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,920 the film, and my opinion, by far and away, the 631 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,039 weakest link is what about the suit? Back when that 632 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:24,800 film was shot, the best that Hollywood could do as 633 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,440 far as making suits to look like gorillas was what 634 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,440 you saw in the film what was the name of 635 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,639 that movie, Planet of the Apes. Yeah, think about how 636 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,400 cheesy those costumes were, and then now think about how 637 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,840 impressive that quote unquote suit was in the PGF in 638 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,360 the Patterson Gimlin film The suit. That's the weak link. 639 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:54,000 You still cannot explain to me how, if it was 640 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:58,639 a hoax, how someone just was able to create this 641 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,960 suit that was so far, it was so much better 642 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:06,199 than any suit that even Hollywood could have made. I 643 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,199 just don't buy it. I really don't from what I understand, 644 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,159 and I haven't really looked into this. From what I understand, 645 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:18,400 it's been purported that Bob Gimlin's son, I believe, said 646 00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:21,719 that he was told to burn the suit or something 647 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,480 like that. Again, don't hold me to that. That's just 648 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:26,840 what I think I heard. And you know what they 649 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,119 say about what you hear, believe half of what you see, 650 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:32,840 none of what you hear. But that's what's been put 651 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,239 out there from what I understand. But yeah, I mean 652 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,239 back to the suit. I mean, I spoke with a 653 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,920 gentleman who was the leading authority and making suits like 654 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,079 that back then, had them as a guest on one 655 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,920 of my shows back in the early two thousands, and 656 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,280 even he told me, look, we did not have the 657 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,400 technology to make a suit like that back then. Well 658 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,159 that ends it for me. That just ends it. I 659 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,679 just cannot see how that could have been gotten around. 660 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,719 So in my opinion, that film can never be the 661 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,400 moment for whatever that's worth. 662 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can agree. Like I said, when I 663 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,719 seen it, I didn't think it was fake. I believed 664 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:18,280 it was real. And when I seen the thermal images 665 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,360 that I talked about that Jack captured at night at 666 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,000 West Branch, I've seen a lot of different entities in 667 00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:33,199 the thermal that fit that size, that looked like that. 668 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:36,719 That if you were to take like say Patty from 669 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,800 that video and you were to see it in thermal, 670 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,280 there's some that look like that. So to me, that 671 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,400 that's just more of like, Okay, yeah, that is definitely real. 672 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,679 You know. It's just I think that there's more to 673 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,559 them than just that. 674 00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:58,079 Speaker 2: That form and. 675 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: That was you know, some of the other evidence I've 676 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,239 seen from the same area of the changing of the 677 00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:07,840 figures into different shapes. But I've seen some full body 678 00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,960 thermals that look just like that and same size and 679 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,960 the same resemblance. 680 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,639 Speaker 3: Oh no, I believe it. Yeah. I mean, I've spoken 681 00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:20,639 with hundreds of people, very credible eyewitnesses who they say 682 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:25,599 that's what they saw. So I'm convinced the Patterson Gimmelin 683 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:30,039 film is legit. You can't convince me otherwise. If you've 684 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:31,800 had a bigfoot siding and I would like to be 685 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,320 a guest, please go to bigfootewitness dot com and let 686 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,880 me know. Now you've done field investigations with another well 687 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,280 known sasquatch investigator named Mike col Antonio. How'd you ever 688 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,920 get hooked up with him? 689 00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 2: Long Island Bigfoot? Mike? 690 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,119 Speaker 1: Uh, let's see. Oh boy, I'm trying to remember how 691 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,239 that first happened. It seems like it's been a while. 692 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:02,920 I think through a live stream with the cameraman with 693 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:07,159 Jack Riggs, or was with Jessica from the Crypti Huntress. 694 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,280 That's how I first I think met him was on 695 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:19,719 a podcast and we started talking, and we've. 696 00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 2: Talked to each other on podcasts online. 697 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: On his I think he invited us on one of 698 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,320 his if I remember correctly, now, the first time was 699 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,559 on his podcast. Jack and I both were on there 700 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,920 talking to him about our experiences. There was an incident 701 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:41,519 that happened over here in Portage County about three years ago. 702 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,920 The entity in question for this we call jelly Man, 703 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,480 and what it appears to be is some kind of 704 00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:53,800 an entity that is transparent that came up to Jack 705 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,199 when he was recording at a place we call Claim three. 706 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,519 This may have been brought Mike to reach out to 707 00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:08,000 talk to us because he's seen that and he wanted 708 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:11,039 to talk to us more about this entity that we've 709 00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,800 seen because it appeared to be something invisible, but you 710 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,559 could see it in the red spectrum of the light. 711 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,079 You can see an outline of something there. 712 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 2: Very like. 713 00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: This was really amazing to see too, if you've never 714 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,519 seen it before. So it's some kind of an entity 715 00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:32,760 that's hovering that comes up to Jack and you can 716 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,000 see it in the red spectrum of his light, but 717 00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:40,840 it's pretty much transparent. It's really If it was white light, 718 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,000 I don't believe he would have seen it. I think 719 00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:48,760 the frequency of the red light actually highlighted it and 720 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:50,159 otherwise we would. 721 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 2: Never have known it as there. 722 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: But that jelly Man we called it as the reason 723 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,840 why we got in touch with how I met Mike 724 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,639 and we got along great, you know, Mike's a fantastic guy. 725 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,880 I'm glad that I've met him, and I'm glad to 726 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,000 consider him a friend. And we had a great time together. 727 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,599 We traveled out Jack and I traveled out to Long 728 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,880 Island and we investigated some of his research sites. And 729 00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:22,320 I had a fantastic time. And Mike's a great guy. 730 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,719 I enjoy talking to him. I talked to him a lot, 731 00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:30,039 just aside from you know, investigating, we is talking. We 732 00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:31,239 got a good friendship together. 733 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike is top notch. I can't say enough good 734 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,239 things about the man. I really can't. 735 00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, we both served in the Army together, not in 736 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,320 the same unit, but I had been in the Marine 737 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,079 Corps Reserve and then I got into the National Guard, 738 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,000 so I had some military experience and Mike is also 739 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,360 an Army veteran, so you know, we do have some 740 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,039 in common when it comes to service too, which was 741 00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:57,360 also something that kind of like we bonded over. 742 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,760 Speaker 3: Oh wow, if you know him that well, then can 743 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,920 you tell us any dirt on the guy that we 744 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,960 could possibly use to hold over his head? 745 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: Maybe he live streams and drives at the same time. 746 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,719 That's about as much dirt as I got. 747 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 3: Uh, oh, well that's a start. 748 00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 1: It's hands free though, so you know, that's about as 749 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,000 much as I can I could get him on. 750 00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 3: That's a definite start. Are there any well known places 751 00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:29,519 for sasquatch sightings that are on your bucket list? If so, 752 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,400 what would be number one? 753 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,559 Speaker 1: Well, I would say, if I could choose someplace to go, 754 00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:45,440 I would like to go out to Washington. I would 755 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:49,599 like to go out to Washington to see if I 756 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:53,000 have any experiences out there. I hear that's a. 757 00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 2: The epicenter of bigfoot sightings for the US. 758 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,159 Speaker 3: I can definitely understand why you'd want to go out there. Yeah, 759 00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:06,079 I've been there and it's squatch is I'll get out. 760 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,920 So if you went there, I'm not going to say 761 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,719 you definitely would have an experience, but if you went 762 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,280 to the right places, they sure would be awfully good, you. 763 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: Know, and probably Canada. I've heard some interesting things in 764 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,440 Canada as well. I seem like there's a Swan Lake 765 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,800 and that would probably be another area that I would 766 00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:29,440 I would like to go. 767 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, a lot of good places up there as well, 768 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,000 so I definitely understand. Well, it's about time for us 769 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,599 to call it, Mike but before we do, please tell 770 00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:43,199 us more about your podcast MT Paranormal Life and how 771 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:44,199 we can listen to it. 772 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:45,519 Speaker 2: Well. 773 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: I do videos and live streaming on YouTube MT Paranormal 774 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,599 Life on YouTube. I do have a Facebook group that 775 00:47:56,199 --> 00:48:00,519 is a place where a lot of the members can 776 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,920 share things on the You can pretty much do things 777 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,960 on the Facebook group that you can't do on YouTube, 778 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,199 you know, show some evidence from the videos. I leave 779 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,440 it open so people can post clips and things like that, 780 00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:16,519 so you can find me on YouTube on the channel 781 00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:19,039 where you can go to Empty Paranormal Life on Facebook 782 00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:19,840 and join the group. 783 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 2: And then I do. 784 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: Post some reels from time to time on Instagram, more 785 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,159 shorts things like I do on YouTube. 786 00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:30,280 Speaker 3: For everyone listening, I'm going to post links to not 787 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,280 only the YouTube channel, but also to the group on Facebook. 788 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,840 Got to make it really easy to find. But having 789 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,960 said that, Mike, I can't thank you enough for coming 790 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,800 on and share the details of all these experiences with us. 791 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,400 I really appreciate it. 792 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 2: My pleasure. Thank you for having me. 793 00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 3: Oh no, you're welcome, it's been fun. Well, thanks again 794 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:57,199 so much for your time and have a great night. 795 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 4: That's it. Another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. 796 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,079 If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to 797 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,480 be a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot 798 00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:13,119 eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd love to 799 00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:23,840 hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have a great night.