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In the mid. 34 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.519 Seventies, over a dozen young women were murdered and found 35 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:03.439 in Canal. These cases became known as the Flat Tire 36 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:08.319 murders and the Canal Murders. Only one case was ever solved. 37 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:12.360 More than four decades have passed since these crimes, and 38 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:16.479 no arrests were ever made. This is the first book 39 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.680 to explore these murders in depth, as well as a 40 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.520 bizarre series of murders occurring in the years earlier, known 41 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:28.319 as the Goldsack Stranglings. Interviews with the detectives that originally 42 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.280 worked to solve these cases provide an intimate view of 43 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:34.680 the attempt to capture the killer that terrorize South Florida. 44 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:40.759 In addition to the cases themselves, the book explores several suspects, 45 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:45.840 including the infamous serial killer Ted Mundy. Detailed maps of 46 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.800 South Florida illustrate the complex canal system that became the 47 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.680 victim's graveyard. The book they were featuring this evening is 48 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.560 The Flat Tire Murders Unsolved Crimes of a South Florida 49 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:02.639 Serial Killer. Special guest author, journalist and author Michael P. Burns. 50 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:04.840 Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for 51 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:07.520 this interview. Michael P. Burns. 52 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:09.960 Thank you, Dan, It's a real pleasure to be here. 53 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.639 Thank you so much. Very very interesting case and corresponding book. 54 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:21.919 Let's get right to where you grew up and your 55 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.439 connection to this story. 56 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.719 I grew up in Miami in the nineteen eighties and 57 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:33.840 nineteen nineties, and I really didn't have a connection to 58 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:39.520 this particular series of murders until fairly recently. As I 59 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:42.520 talk about in the book, one of the pivotal events 60 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:47.719 in my childhood was the execution and the surrounding chaos 61 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:51.439 regarding Ted Bundy in nineteen eighty nine, So that really 62 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:54.840 that really struck a nerve and kind of brought to 63 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:58.639 my attention that there are dangerous people out there and 64 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.319 bad things happened. But other than that, growing up in Miami, 65 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:06.759 it was very little crime at least where I was, 66 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.680 and a very enjoyable childhood that I had there. So 67 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.000 it wasn't until recently that I even became aware of 68 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.600 what was going on there in the nineteen seventies. 69 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:20.480 You say that you write that to your interest in 70 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.480 these cases, the Canal murders and the flat tire murders 71 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:28.040 converged with the arrest of the Golden State Killer. Tell 72 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:29.639 us why. 73 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:35.120 Well, you know, I've been following true crime for years now, 74 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.519 and the East Area rapist and the Golden State Killer 75 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:43.720 were his monikers, and I became aware of him around 76 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:47.399 twenty sixteen or so. This was before an arrest was made, 77 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.439 and I thought the cases were extremely interesting. They were 78 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:58.000 very very little in terms of physical descriptions. It was 79 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:02.120 just this sort of ghost that was floating around California 80 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.480 in the nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties, And like 81 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.319 I said, became aware of this case, and I also 82 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.879 became aware of the public interest in this case, it 83 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.319 sort of took on a life of its own, and 84 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:20.600 in twenty sixteen, the California Department of Justice sort of 85 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:23.720 brought this case to public attention and said, we're looking 86 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.040 for this guy. You know, thirty plus years later, we 87 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.079 have not forgotten this is an active case. And that 88 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.199 really caught my attention as well. So it kind of 89 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:37.360 converged with law enforcement pushing for an arrest as well 90 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.800 as the public interest in the case. And I thought, 91 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:42.920 you know, once there was an arrest, it really was 92 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:47.000 a awakening for me that cases from forty years ago 93 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:48.680 can still be solved. 94 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:52.680 Now, what was as you write, what is the purpose 95 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.839 of writing this book primarily other than just to tell 96 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.920 this story that's untold and people for the most part, 97 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.560 it's unknown, But is what do you hope to gain 98 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:04.560 from writing this book? 99 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.160 I hope the same thing that happened with the East 100 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.800 Area rapists and the Golden State killer, to bring public 101 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:15.240 attention to these cases and ultimately to have some sort 102 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:20.399 of resolution in terms of solving the cases if possible. 103 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:23.879 And I do realize the limitations of law enforcement, but 104 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:26.560 the fact that these cases have just sort of been 105 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:31.439 forgotten really struck a nerve with me, and so I 106 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:34.040 definitely want the public to know that these cases happened, 107 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:35.560 that these victims are not forgotten. 108 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:42.319 Right now in this book, these South Florida canals are, 109 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.720 you write, as abundant as palm trees and swimming pools. 110 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.120 Tell us about these South Florida canals. What is their 111 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:54.000 purpose and why are they so prominent? 112 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.920 Yeah, the canals in South Florida are ubiquitous. You'll drive 113 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.639 a few miles and you'll see several, you know, along 114 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:08.720 the way. They basically drain the marshy land of South 115 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:14.720 Florida out to the Atlantic Ocean. They also provide defense 116 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.680 against potential flooding due to hurricanes, which you know, you'll 117 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.519 have a severe hurricane like the one in the nineteen 118 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.399 twenties that killed thousands of people. So they were designed 119 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:28.600 to drain South Florida make it inhabitable land, which it did. 120 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.360 And there are twenty six hundred miles of canals crisscrossing 121 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:36.600 South Florida like veins and arteries, and they all sort 122 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.360 of moved the water westward to eastward out to the 123 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:44.480 Atlantic Ocean. So the canals are everywhere. And I remember, 124 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:46.279 you know, as a child there were a lot of 125 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.199 fun for fishing. There was always a place to go 126 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.360 if you wanted to fish. But they were dangerous as well, 127 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:55.439 you know, kids would sometimes fall in. But they were 128 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:57.319 just a part of life and they still remain a 129 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.720 part of life for most people in South Florida. 130 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:06.519 You talk about South Florida crime explosion in the seventies, 131 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:11.199 tell us a little bit about that explosion and how 132 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:15.160 canals were involved as well. Well. 133 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.480 Yeah, going back to the canal just to point out 134 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:22.800 that they get dredged, and they are basically when they 135 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:29.639 dredge them, they find everything from airplanes to parts to rockets, cars, bodies. 136 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.840 The canals are basically a dumping ground for people that 137 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.200 want to either get rid of stuff or stuff that 138 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:40.279 they don't want anyone to ever find. So they really 139 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.240 are quite interesting. When they're dredged, you'll find pretty much everything. 140 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:49.320 But in the nineteen seventies there was a huge explosion 141 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:55.240 of crime in South Florida, particularly Dayden Broward County, And 142 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.679 it was shocking to me because I had a sort 143 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:01.879 of bucolic view of Florida back then. But in terms 144 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.320 of crime in nineteen seventy five, Florida itself had the 145 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:08.399 third highest crime rate in the United States, and in 146 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:12.720 nineteen seventy five, Daid was the fourth in crimes per 147 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.360 capita and Broward was sixth in the United States. So 148 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.440 there was definitely a huge crime explosion, and I think 149 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:23.720 gets foreshadowed a bit. It gets overlooked because of the 150 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:28.320 nineteen eighties drug epidemic and crime surrounding that. But as 151 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.679 I note in the book, even before the nineteen eighties, 152 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.799 crime was off the charge in South Florida. 153 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.600 You write about in the sixties, and you chronicle of 154 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:45.919 these spectacular cases and the victims before we get. 155 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:46.000 To the. 156 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:50.399 Canal murders and the flat tire murders of nineteen seventy 157 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:56.679 five and nineteen seventy six. So tell us why they 158 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:59.399 were dubbed the canal murders and the flat tire murders 159 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:03.440 before we we start going through the victims and what 160 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.799 happened in early nineteen seventy five. 161 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.600 Yeah, they got to name the canal murders because all 162 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:15.200 of the victims were found either near or in canals, 163 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:19.799 with one or two exceptions. But it was basically a 164 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:24.879 series of young girls, all sort of fitting a general appearance, 165 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.639 some as young as fourteen. There were three that were 166 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:31.799 fourteen years old that were found in or near canals 167 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.120 in nineteen seventy five, one after the other, so they 168 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.000 got to name the canal murders by the local media 169 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.919 backed then the flat tire murders were sort of a 170 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:47.120 subset of those murders, and they occurred in the summer 171 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:51.440 of nineteen seventy five when two women, Ronnie Gorlan and 172 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:56.080 Elise rap were basically tricked because their car tires were 173 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:01.559 deflated at a mall in Dade County, and their bodies 174 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:04.399 were found the next day in canals, and police I 175 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:08.080 think logically concluded that the tires were deflated, they were 176 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:11.240 offered help, and then they were murdered. So those are 177 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:12.600 the flat tire murders. 178 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:17.919 Let's go through some of the canal murders and narctaristics 179 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:23.440 of the killer and some of the characteristics of the victims. 180 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:29.440 Sure, Like I mentioned, the victims were quite young. Three 181 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:33.480 of them were fourteen years old, one was seventeen, two 182 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:38.039 were nineteen, So these were young women. They were not 183 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:43.759 prostitutes or drug addicts. They were pretty much suburban teenage girls. 184 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:49.279 Some were engaged to be married. One was married, but 185 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:53.519 there were no issues in terms of you know, drug 186 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:57.679 abuse or anything like that. And they were all found, 187 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:04.519 like I said, in canals in South Florida, different different 188 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.960 ways as they were killed. But sort of through nineteen 189 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.120 seventy five, a series of young young women in the 190 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:17.360 suburbs were murdered and found in canals. 191 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.720 How do the police begin their investigation in those murders. 192 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:27.240 You mentioned one crime that was solved, and that's Judith 193 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:36.000 and Austerling from Rushville, Indiana. So tell us what exactly 194 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:40.799 these women were, where they were, in their lives, where 195 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.360 they were in a position to be sure approached. 196 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:49.200 What was the approach sure? Judith Oasterling was nineteen years old. 197 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:54.039 She was from Indiana, and she kind of left Indiana 198 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.399 and came down to Florida to look for adventure, looked 199 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.200 for her new life, and she began working at a 200 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.879 a health spa, which was sort of a generic term 201 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:08.039 that was given to places that sometimes were fronts for prostitution. 202 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.519 We don't know what she did at the place that 203 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:14.840 she worked, but in January nineteen seventy five, she was 204 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:20.919 found nude in a canal along US twenty seven, drowned 205 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.360 and beaten. So that was really the first case that 206 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.559 got the attention of law enforcement, and they put a 207 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:33.519 lot of effort into investigations, investigating different suspects working the case, 208 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.720 and it eventually paid off later, but that was the 209 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:38.159 only case that was ever solved. 210 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.360 Then you talk about Barbara Davis Stevens, who was twenty 211 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.039 three years old and she was last seeing February twelfth, 212 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.960 nineteen seventy five. What was the details of her murder. 213 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:57.159 Well, Barbara was a Miami native. She was married to 214 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.559 her high school sweetheart, but they had separated and he 215 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:05.240 had moved to Hollywood, California. On February twelfth, nineteen seventy five, 216 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:10.519 she went to the Gold Triangle department store near Dayland 217 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:14.120 Mall in Miami. She made a purchase of two rock 218 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:18.840 and roll records, and she disappeared. Her body wasn't found 219 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.000 until several days later out behind a shopping center a 220 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.960 couple miles away, and the autopsy determined that she had 221 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:33.000 been stabbed multiple times. She was a very attractive young woman, blondehaired, 222 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:37.320 with roots in Miami through her father, so she was 223 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.559 a native. She was not like Judith Ousterling, who sort 224 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:44.039 of had set up shop in South Florida. She was 225 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:48.799 a native, and her murder was really heavily investigated. They 226 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:53.200 eventually found her body after extensive searches, and. 227 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.399 There was another aspect to it as well, that someone 228 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.639 had said something that police can that he must have 229 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.559 been a witness, and then it was and there was 230 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:06.399 a message on the concrete wall as well, tell us 231 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:07.360 a little bit about that. 232 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:14.879 Sure, police were looking into clues and interviewing people after 233 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:19.039 they found her body, and they noticed that a magic 234 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.159 marker had been used to write the following words on 235 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:25.000 a wall, A girl was killed here, and I saw 236 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.720 it with an exclamation point after it, which clearly would 237 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.440 get law enforcement's attention. They put a lot of effort 238 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.759 into finding out who possibly could have written that, and 239 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.399 eventually determined that it was a prank from a teenager 240 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.720 who broke down in tears when he was finally confronted 241 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.399 by law enforcement about that. But that just kind of 242 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:50.679 shows the kind of directions that the cases went in. 243 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:55.639 There would sometimes be some hot leads and but they 244 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:59.000 would be pursued, but they never really amounted too much, 245 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:00.799 except in JUDITHO. Stilling's case. 246 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:07.399 After Barbara Steven's murder in Miami, you write about Arietta 247 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.559 Marie Shaw Tinker seventeen. She was last seen in April 248 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.679 ninth at a restaurant that was known to be frequented 249 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:20.080 by the Outlaws motorcycle club. What happened to her? When 250 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:22.960 was she found? Give us the particulars. 251 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:27.639 Yes, Arietta Tinker was a seventeen year old married woman. 252 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:30.759 She was a mother as well. She had an infant 253 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.840 at home and she was dropped off at the Hippopotamus 254 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:39.799 restaurant in Fort Lauderdale and after spending a day there 255 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.840 on a day at the beach, she disappeared. And she 256 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:46.720 was eventually found in the Snake Creek Canal near US 257 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:52.320 twenty seven on April ninth, nineteen seventy five, and it 258 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.080 was really unclear as to the cause of death. Eventually 259 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.639 it was determined that she drowned, and it was unclear 260 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.200 whether there was foul play. But it leads to a 261 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.920 serious question, how did this woman with no car end 262 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:11.200 up drowned in a very very remote canal near US 263 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:11.839 twenty seven. 264 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.880 Judith Asterling was also found in the Snake Creek Canal. 265 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:18.640 Is that correct? 266 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:23.119 That's correct, And that's the canal that's parallel to US 267 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.519 twenty seven, and I talk about US twenty seven in 268 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.480 the book. It's a very isolated road. It really is 269 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.519 a just a corridor between central Florida down to Daydeon 270 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:39.039 Broward Counties. There's a lot of agriculture around there, sugarcane 271 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.759 things like that, but it's really not a road that 272 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:46.200 you pull off of and stop for shopping or anything. 273 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:49.880 It's a really isolated road. So to be found out 274 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.000 there in that canal was definitely unusual. 275 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:00.839 You mentioned now Nancy Lee Fosts was nineteen years old, 276 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.880 and this is June fourteenth, and very much differently different 277 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:12.359 than Arieta Marie Tinker. This person was walking home. How 278 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.640 was she found and what were some of the differences, 279 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:20.200 especially from areata in terms of condition. 280 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.880 Sure, Nancy was nineteen years old and she sort of 281 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:29.039 had a troubled relationship with her boyfriend and her sister. 282 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:34.599 And June fourteenth, nineteen seventy five, she disappeared while walking 283 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.839 at night in Fort Lauderdale, and she was found a 284 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.440 few days later, again in the canal near US twenty seven, 285 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:47.240 near the Sawgrass Recreational Area, which is sort of a 286 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.200 public park. I have air boat rides, things like that, 287 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.359 but again a very remote area, and Nancy had been 288 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:57.599 hit on the head and choked. So there's a difference 289 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:01.519 between her murder and Areata Tinkers, where Miss Tinker simply 290 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.559 was drowned out in that remote canal, But in this 291 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:08.079 case there was definitely signed to foul play with being 292 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:09.240 hit on the head and choked. 293 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.079 You right, that the public is becoming aware of around 294 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:18.079 this time. And then you introduced to Barbara Schreiber fourteen 295 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:22.799 and Belinda's Zetta Rover fourteen, who were friends. Tell us 296 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.359 what happens on June eighteenth, faithful Night. 297 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.920 Well, yes, this was the case that really indicated that 298 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.799 there was something going on because these two girls, Barbara 299 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.880 Shreiber and Darlene zetter Hour, were fourteen year old friends 300 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:44.440 in the Fort Lauderdale area, and on June eighteenth, nineteen 301 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.240 seventy five, they told their parents that they were going 302 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:49.440 to spend the night at each other's houses, and it 303 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.119 was sort of a lie. They wanted to get out 304 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:56.759 and walk around and have some fun, and they disappeared, 305 00:19:57.319 --> 00:19:59.319 and it was unclear as to whether they were trying 306 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:03.240 to hitch hike, but they were found the following day 307 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.839 again at a canal along US twenty seven, both shot 308 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:14.000 to death and really no motive. Police interviewed all kinds 309 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:20.079 of individuals, including their friends, and really there was nothing 310 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:22.599 to go on except for a clue that was found 311 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.559 that turned out to be a dead end. So they 312 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.599 were both shot in June. In June of nineteen seventy five. 313 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:36.359 You read about next about Robin Leslie Lash. She's fourteen 314 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:41.799 years old and she vanishes on July eighth. Tell us 315 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:46.759 what her condition is and is there any connection with 316 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:50.119 these other bodies that are like you write, only five 317 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:53.880 miles south where Belinda's at Rower and Barbara Streiber and 318 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.559 Nancy Fox were discovered. 319 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:01.759 Well, yeah, Nanty Fox, Barbara Schreiber, and Darlene zetter Hour 320 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.359 were found very close together in the canal near Us 321 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.759 twenty seven, So it sort of seemed that there was 322 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:12.519 a spot that someone or some people were deciding to 323 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:17.799 dispose of bodies in this very remote area. But Robin, 324 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.839 like miss zetter Hour and miss Shreiver, was only fourteen. 325 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:29.039 She was walking on July eighth, nineteen seventy five, and 326 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:32.599 she disappeared. She was discovered two days later again in 327 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.759 the canal near Us twenty seven, and they determined that 328 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.880 she drowned, and it was unclear as to whether there 329 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.799 was any foul play. So kind of like the death 330 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:46.359 of Area A Tinker, a girl fourteen years old with 331 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:50.160 no cars found drowned in a very very remote canal 332 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:52.799 in far western Brower County. 333 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.039 And you write as well that it was suspicious because 334 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:01.400 she drowned, but she was an excellent swimmer. Let's get 335 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:05.640 to Ronnie Sue Gorlin, a twenty seven year old very 336 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:09.079 integral part to this. Well, everyone's important this story, but 337 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:13.240 she's especially important this story. July twenty second, she disappeared. 338 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:19.400 What was different about her condition of her body? What 339 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:20.000 had happened? 340 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:24.599 Well, Ronnie was one of the older victims. She was 341 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:28.240 twenty seven years old. She was engaged to be married 342 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:32.519 to a man in Pennsylvania, and she was back in 343 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.960 South Florida with her family in Hollandale. And on June 344 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:40.640 twenty second, nineteen seventy five, she visited her mother in 345 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:45.000 the hospital, and actually she was going to visit her mother, 346 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.759 she never showed up. They later found her car at 347 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.359 the one hundred and sixty third Street mall with a 348 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:57.200 flat tire and she was gone. They eventually found her 349 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:02.519 body nude out in the Canal and Dade County a 350 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:09.000 few days later. And the connection with the subsequent murder 351 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:11.519 of Alice Wrap, which we'll talked about in a minute, 352 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.200 really told the police there was something sinister going on. 353 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.200 There was somebody using this tactic to abduct women. 354 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.880 Now you write at this time, or pardon me, not 355 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.799 at this time, but you write about twenty twenty that 356 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:34.559 there's a police officer named Charles Mussoline or Mussoline believed 357 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.240 that Ted Bundy was the best suspect in Ronnie's death. 358 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:43.559 Is this because of the bite marks? Yeah. 359 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:48.960 The bite marks as well as the mo of approaching 360 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.279 a woman in a parking lot offering to provide assistance 361 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:58.359 definitely told this detective that Bundy needed to be considered 362 00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:02.960 as a possibility. There were bite marks on Ronnie Gorland. 363 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.599 She had been bitten, choked and drowned. And those bite 364 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:12.359 marks eventually were compared. From what I can tell to 365 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:16.880 Christopher Wilder and Ted Bundy, doesn't appear that there is 366 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:20.079 anything more in the records that I reviewed as to 367 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:23.160 whether there was a match or they couldn't compare them. 368 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:27.319 But yes, the bite marks as well as them indicated 369 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.440 that Ted Bundy was definitely a viable suspect. 370 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.119 Now, one week after Ronnie Gorlan was dumped in the canal, 371 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:40.480 you say he struck again. The killers struck again with 372 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:45.200 nearly the same method of killing. And we've talked about 373 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:50.079 Elsie Rap twenty one years old. What was the near 374 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.519 same method or identical method in your eyes and other 375 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:56.160 people's minds. 376 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:01.880 Yeah, at least Rap was twenty one years old, and 377 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.839 she was from New York and she really enjoyed South Florida. 378 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.680 So she was working down here as a secretary. And 379 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:12.519 on July thirtieth, nineteen seventy five, eight days after Ronnie 380 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:16.079 Gorland was murdered, at Least left her home and never 381 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:20.400 came back, and police eventually found her car again at 382 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.599 the one hundred and sixty third Street Mall with a 383 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:29.599 flat tire. She was found the following day and basically 384 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.839 the same canal as Ronnie Gorland. She also had been 385 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.599 hit on the head and drowned, and there were marks 386 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.079 on her that indicated this was a sexual assault. So 387 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.799 the mo of flattening attire and offering assistance or somehow 388 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:49.839 getting these women to come with the killer was almost 389 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:55.359 identical bodies were placed in nearly the same location. Interestingly, 390 00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.880 they both had E license plates on their car, which 391 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:02.400 indicated that they were rentals or leases. But there were 392 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:06.079 definitely similarities that that police picked up on, and their 393 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:11.039 conclusions to this day were that those two were definitely related, 394 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.880 as were some others, but these are definitely the strongest 395 00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:15.079 that are that are related. 396 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:20.319 M H and at least had also been sexually mutilated 397 00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:22.799 as well as well as Ronnie Gorland as well. That 398 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.720 was one of the characteristics, wasn't it correct? 399 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:33.519 Alas Rap heard her genitals, we were stabbed, and and 400 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.359 there was definitely a you know, conclusion by the Dade 401 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.279