WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.160 are your favorites, so like to say subscribe and raid it. 3 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.199 Lip Star and me. 4 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:21.120 Just go on Yesterday and listening. 5 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:24.879 Watching Lim always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.600 Good day, Bobo, how are you doing? 8 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.000 Good day, sir. I'm finding you. 9 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.280 I'm doing all right. I'm pretty excited about our guests today. 10 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:40.000 I want to hop right into it because I know 11 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:42.240 that you have a You've got an appointment you have 12 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:45.240 to make here, so let's jump right into it. We 13 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:48.520 have a fantastic witness this I met this guy a 14 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.399 few years ago at that event that used to happen 15 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:55.320 here in Portland called a Hopsquatch Guy Edwards Speaking event 16 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.200 he used to do monthly, and this gentleman and I 17 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.320 just hit it off. We became really good friends. And 18 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.640 turns out he has two observations of sasquatches that are 19 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:07.400 very very impressive at very close range. And I know 20 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:10.000 how much you love doing witnesses, so I thought Glenn 21 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:14.000 would be a fantastic guest for Bigfoot and Beyond. So, Bobo, 22 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:15.959 I don't think you've ever met Glenn. But here he 23 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:18.120 is Glenn, Bobo meet each other. 24 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:21.159 Pleased to meet you, Bobo, you see Glenn. 25 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:22.120 Thanks for coming on. 26 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.840 You bet all right, Glenn. So give us a lowdown, man. 27 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.280 I mean, how long has Bigfoot been on your radar? 28 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:30.640 And I know that you had one of your sightings 29 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.760 when you're quite young. So were you aware of sasquatches 30 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:35.640 before you saw one? 31 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:35.879 ORed it? 32 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.400 Or was that the baptism by fire so to speak? 33 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:44.200 Well, that was back in nineteen seventy one, and I 34 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:48.120 had heard about sasquatch, but I never never was very 35 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.760 interested and never had a sighting or anything. But when 36 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.799 I was ten years old outside of Watertown, New York, 37 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.560 out in the back we lived out in the out 38 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:00.799 in the country a little bit was in the Air 39 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:06.519 Force and he was stationed there in Watertown and me 40 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:09.479 and my neighbor there was only the two houses David 41 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:11.599 and he and I were walking out back in the 42 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:15.479 woods and that's when we had the siding out there. 43 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:17.439 So, yeah, tell us about what you saw on how 44 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:18.439 it came about then. 45 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:23.000 Sure, sure, David and I were walking. There's a little 46 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:26.800 path heads out towards a little creek out back, and 47 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.039 we were walking on the path and we were talking 48 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.400 and we just happened to look at each other and 49 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.639 we both tripped on a tree route both at the 50 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.080 same time. We fell down, and there was a log 51 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.400 laying across the trail, and we almost hit our head 52 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.960 on the log, and I remember thinking, Wow, I'm glad 53 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.039 I didn't hit my head on that. And we both 54 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.159 start getting up and I look over the log. I'm 55 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.439 still laying down, but I'm just trying to get up, 56 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.000 and I look over log and right there in front 57 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.840 of me is the crick. Right on the other side 58 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.800 of the creek. There there was this animal that had 59 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:13.400 taken a tree and had worked the tree up and 60 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:16.759 bent it over, and it was it was eating the 61 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:20.800 leaves off the top of the tree, and it hurt us, 62 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:25.360 and it stopped from picking a leaf right before it 63 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.039 put it in its mouth, and it turned and looked 64 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:31.800 at us and let the tree go, and the tree 65 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.560 whipped back up in the air, and then it turned 66 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.000 around and walked away down the trail on the other 67 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:41.919 side of the crick. And I realized that that was 68 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.960 not a gorilla, because I kind of That's one of 69 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.800 the first things that went through my mind was, oh, 70 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.800 my god, it's a gorilla. Well no, it was, you know, 71 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:57.000 larger and just shaped differently. So anyways, my friend David 72 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:58.879 and I we get up and run back to our 73 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:02.360 houses like our asses were on fire, scared. It's pretty good. 74 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.840 But looking back on that, you know, I know there's 75 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:09.879 no way that that was somebody dressed up in a 76 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:13.280 monkey suit or anything like that, because of the extraordinary 77 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.920 physical feet that it had performed right in front of 78 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:20.920 us by literally bending a tree over that was pretty 79 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.199 tall and eating the new leaves off the top. 80 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:27.959 How big around do you think that tree was that 81 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:28.959 it was bending over. 82 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:34.240 You know, I don't really know. I would say probably 83 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:37.600 at least a couple of inches, because it was probably 84 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:41.000 a I bet you it was a fifteen foot tall tree, 85 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:45.360 something along those lines. But I was so focused on 86 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.480 the animal itself and that I wasn't really looking, you know, 87 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.800 at the base of the tree. But I do recall 88 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:55.000 that when it let go of the tree, it whipped 89 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:58.839 back up very quickly, and it was much taller than 90 00:04:58.839 --> 00:04:59.360 the animal. 91 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.399 Idea what kind of tree it was looking back now, No. 92 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:04.639 Just a leafy tree. 93 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:06.199 A leafy tree. 94 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:08.319 Yeah, I don't know what type of tree. 95 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.279 It was actually, well, Glenn, why don't you you got 96 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:13.279 a pretty good look at this thing. It was pretty close. 97 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.879 Can you describe the face for us or what you observed, 98 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:18.959 like did you see teeth or the nose or ears 99 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:19.839 or anything like that. 100 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.959 No, not on not on that one. That one it 101 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.439 was it was black. It had black fur. It was 102 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.480 it was quite large. But the way that the sun 103 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.279 was I think it was slightly backlighting the animal, so 104 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:37.560 I couldn't really get a good look at the face 105 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:40.720 other than it was it was black. This it was 106 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:45.279 very dark, and then of course it turned around and 107 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:49.279 walked away. But so on that occasion, I did not 108 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.319 get to see the face very clearly. 109 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:55.519 Could you see the hair length like a DIFFERENTI like 110 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.000 a differentiation between the thickness of the hair. 111 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:03.800 Well, it was not super long hair. I would say 112 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:08.000 it was a medium. It wasn't short like a bear, 113 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.600 you know, bare hair is pretty short. Is longer than that, 114 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:16.319 but not like long light in orangutank or anything like that. 115 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.079 I'd say it was in the middle, but it was 116 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.199 very dark. It was black. 117 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:26.160 I hear from witnesses sometimes who observe sasquatches in their 118 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:28.920 back lit that the outside fringes, so to speak of 119 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:31.240 the hair are kind of reddish tinge because of the 120 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:33.680 light coming through. Did you see that as well? Or 121 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:34.800 was it just pure black? 122 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:39.040 No? I did not see that. It looked pure black 123 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:39.279 to me. 124 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.519 Interesting, Now, was it close enough that you could make 125 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:45.240 out any of the hands or anything like that. 126 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:50.879 Yes, When it had the tree bent over and I 127 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.879 saw it actually take its right hand, it had the 128 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.160 tree bent over with its left hand. It had its 129 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.240 right hand and it was plucking the new leaves off 130 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.879 the top. And that's when it started going towards its mouth, 131 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.639 and it stopped midway, and that's when it turned and 132 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.879 looked at me and David, and then it hesitated just 133 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.600 for a moment, and then it let the tree go. 134 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.319 It did not continue with the leaves to its mouth, 135 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:18.839 and I'm sure it just dropped those, but it let 136 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.879 the tree go, and then it turned to its left 137 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:26.480 and walked down the walk down the trail. Because when 138 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:28.399 we saw it on the other side of the crick, 139 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.639 it was facing to my right and had the tree 140 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:38.920 bent down from the trail on if I was had 141 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.279 been traveling forward on the right hand side. 142 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.279 Oh, here's a very specific question for you that you 143 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:47.040 may not be able to answer. When it was holding 144 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.120 those leaves, did you notice if it was holding them 145 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:53.319 between its thumb and the other fingers or between just 146 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:54.360 a couple of the fingers. 147 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:57.759 It looked to me between the thumb and the fingers. 148 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.040 It looked like it was plucking off just like a 149 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:00.680 human would. 150 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:01.279 Uh huh. 151 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.759 And that's exactly because I saw reach and grab them 152 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.399 and then going towards its mouth, and it looked like 153 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:08.560 it was between its thumb and fingers. 154 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.920 That's interesting because the literature, of course says that sasquatches 155 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:17.319 do not have opposed thumbs, but other literature and points 156 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.519 points out that that does not mean that they're not 157 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:23.319 opposed a bull. And I think that's a big confusion 158 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:27.240 in the Bigfoot community, thinking that the Sasquatches cannot put 159 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.920 their fingers their their their thumb to their fingertips just 160 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.080 because they're they have a wonky thumb. You know, it's 161 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.360 positioned different on their hand than it is on human 162 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.519 hands based on the evidence that's been collected. But when 163 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.120 Grover Krantz wrote this not opposed in the same way, 164 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:45.159 people took that as like, you're not able to oppose 165 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:47.360 it and that's just simply not true. 166 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.720 Yeah, because that's what it looked like to me, and 167 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:50.519 I remember that. 168 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:53.759 Yeah, yeah, that's really neat. And what was the skin 169 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.639 color like on the hands and whatever else? 170 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:55.879 Black? 171 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:59.200 The skin color is also black? Interesting, very interesting. 172 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.360 Now, how did that encounter end by David and I 173 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:06.960 jumping up and running as fast as we could back 174 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:07.720 to our homes. 175 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:10.320 Did you tell anybody? 176 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:10.840 Yes? 177 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:12.960 I went in and told my parents right away. I 178 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.240 don't know if David said anything to his folks, but 179 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.360 I went in and told my parents right away, and 180 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.679 they were like, no, they didn't believe me. Years later, 181 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:26.039 you know, they did come to believe me, and my 182 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.240 dad said, well, you know, I'm not sure if I 183 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.600 would even want to have gone out there and seen anything, 184 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:36.000 but I'm sure, you know, being that probably the weight 185 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.679 of the animal and that it was so near a 186 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.440 crick there, I bet you the dirt was soft enough 187 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:43.919 that if he had gone back out with me, I 188 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:45.519 bet you there would have been footprints. 189 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:47.919 Well, you guys still in touch with David? 190 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:53.440 No, No, I haven't seen him since fifty years ago 191 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:57.600 when this happened, and my dad was in the Air 192 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:01.600 Force and we moved around a lot, and then you know, 193 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.399 when he retired, we moved to Eugene. And that's when 194 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.279 I was camping when I had another encounter, very close 195 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:14.679 to Eugene and just right there late as okay, okay, 196 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:19.519 this was in nineteen seventy seven. I was sixteen years 197 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.879 old and me and my friend Aaron would go up 198 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:29.519 to this one area outside of Eugene. And now it's 199 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.799 got a lot of houses, but back in that time, 200 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.399 there weren't as many houses. And this is for people 201 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.039 who know the Eugene area. This is out thirtieth and 202 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.480 it goes up over a hill and then it goes 203 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:43.960 towards I five. Well, right out there by I five 204 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:50.000 is the Lane County Community College and going up Highway thirty. 205 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:52.039 We took our bikes up there, and we've been camping 206 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.159 up there before with some of our other friends, so 207 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:57.840 this was not a new area to us. And we 208 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:02.799 went up and the asphalt stops. There's a guardrail, and 209 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:05.399 then we would there was a dirt road that continued 210 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.120 past that guardrail. Well, we would go down and hide 211 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.799 our bikes and take the sword ferns and cover them 212 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.639 up so hopefully nobody stole them. And on this particular occasion, 213 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:20.879 we had an army pup timp that my grandmother had 214 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:24.440 purchased for me at a flea market or something, so 215 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:29.480 it was that old heavy canvas style. And Aaron and 216 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.240 I had gone down to this one area that we'd 217 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:36.440 been on several occasions. Before. You go down and you 218 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:38.639 kind of have to run down the side of the 219 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:44.519 hill and then you go through and you go through 220 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:48.039 this old stream bed that's overgrown, and then you go 221 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.759 through the wood some more and then there's a big field, 222 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:53.840 an open field, and then right on the other side 223 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:59.480 of that field is like a little tiny oblong clearing 224 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.519 and that clearing is where we would set up camp, 225 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:06.080 and that's where we did on this particular occasion. And 226 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.960 so we had taken some chicken down and all that. Well, 227 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.960 there's so much top soil around that we didn't really 228 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.759 have any rocks to put on our little grill to 229 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:24.080 cook our meal. So Aaron he wanted to go back. 230 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.679 He had forgotten something, and I said, okay, fine, you know, 231 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.360 I'll go back to So we take our bikes, we 232 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.440 go back, We leave all our stuff there, we leave 233 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:35.480 the tent set up, all our gap there. We didn't 234 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.799 have any firearms, so the only had to hatchet with us. 235 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:43.559 And we're sixteen, and so we go back and we 236 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.879 each get on our bikes and we agree to meet 237 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.159 back where we hide our bikes. And I remember this 238 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:53.799 very clearly at four point thirty in the afternoon. So 239 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:57.559 we go down and he gets whatever he's going to get, 240 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.919 and I come back up and I'm a little early, 241 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.039 and I think I was there like four o'clock or 242 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.879 something instead of four to thirty. And Aaron is at 243 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.440 the guard rail where the asphalt ends and the dirt 244 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:16.080 road starts. He's not down there waiting for me where 245 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.360 we hide our bikes before, you know, before we go 246 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.639 into the campsite, and he looks upset and I go, hey, Aaron, 247 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.639 what's going on. He goes, well, so I thought we 248 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:26.240 were going to meet down there, and he says, well, 249 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:29.080 he says, I was. I was down there waiting for you. 250 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:34.759 And he said, well, I can hear something walking around me, 251 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.960 but I can't see anything. And I said, well that, 252 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.480 you know, I'm thinking that's kind of strange. So we 253 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:45.519 both go down there, We look around, don't see anything. 254 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:49.440 We take our bikes cover them up with the sword ferns. 255 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.600 And I'm looking around and it's it's you know, tall trees, 256 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.159 sword ferns. There's not really I don't see how anything 257 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.960 could be walking around you. And you can hear the 258 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.320 footsteps but not see anything. I just it didn't make 259 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:10.879 any sense. So anyways, so Aaron and I we each 260 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:13.840 grab two rocks, one in each hand, and those are 261 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.080 for the for the corners of the grill, so we 262 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.039 have something, you know, to hold the grill up so 263 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:22.480 we can cook our chicken with. And Aaron's walking in 264 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:27.720 front of me, and we go down the steep little 265 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:30.120 gray there that you kind of have to almost run down. 266 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:32.440 It's too steep to walk, so we kind of run 267 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.840 down that, and then we go through the woods a 268 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.840 little bit, and then we come to that old stream 269 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.559 bed that I had mentioned earlier. Now it's all overgrown 270 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:45.720 and everything, and or then it was. And Aaron's in 271 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.559 front of me, and we just get to the bottom 272 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.720 of that old stream bed and Aaron drops the rock 273 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:55.159 in his left hand and it falls on the ground 274 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:59.679 and it snaps a twig and the twig goes snap, 275 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:04.519 and I'm watching him. I'm standing up. He's bending over, 276 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:08.120 and I'm watching his left hand go out and he's 277 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:12.080 just about there to pick up the rock, and we 278 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:17.080 both hear a snap of another twig off to our right. Well, 279 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.639 as I'm turning my head to the right, I can 280 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.080 see Aaron starting to turn his head to the right 281 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:26.000 as well. Well. They are just a few feet I'd say, 282 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.240 not more than not more than twenty feet, maybe even 283 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:33.440 closer than that. There is a creature that has the 284 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:38.759 bushes parted with both hands. He's looking right at us, 285 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.120 and when I turned around and looked, he got a 286 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.240 surprised look on his face, like, oh crap, they saw me. 287 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:50.759 And he let the bushes go, and he turned to 288 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.480 his left, which is back towards the road that we 289 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:58.159 came from, the dirt road, and he knocks down this 290 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.200 small tree that it was probably a good oh probably 291 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:05.759 a good three inches across, and he takes his right 292 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:09.879 arm and as he's moving his right arm across, it's 293 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.399 covering up his whole head. I can't even see his head. 294 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.559 His arm is massive, and he knocks that tree down 295 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.120 and that tree goes down just wham. I mean no, 296 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.120 it wasn't like he brushed it aside or anytime, he 297 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:27.600 flattened it and then he took off running. Well, this 298 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.759 creature here was reddish. I had mentioned the one outside 299 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:36.320 of Watertown was all black. Well, this one was a 300 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:43.759 deep red and it was very clean looking. And I've 301 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:46.240 heard a lot of people talk about when they've had 302 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:50.200 an encounter they smelled something. Well, on neither occasion did 303 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:57.039 I smell anything. But he looked really clean looking, like 304 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.519 I said so. But when I looked at a face, 305 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:06.039 his face was completely jet black skin, and I remember 306 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:11.039 there's this huge crease across his left his left cheek. 307 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.680 But when he looked as he just the expression on 308 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:19.279 his face was so human, and it looked exactly to 309 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:24.400 me like someone had taken a gorilla and a human 310 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.480 and had made it them. It looked to be an 311 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:33.599 exact cross, and it looked very intelligent. I could see 312 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.799 just a flash of its teeth. I didn't really notice 313 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.240 the whites around the eyes or anything. For some reason, 314 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.839 I had focused in on the side of its face 315 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:45.640 where this huge crease was. 316 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:46.279 Was it a scar? 317 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:50.640 No, I think it was a natural crease. It didn't 318 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.920 look like a scar. Looked like, you know, like when 319 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:57.200 people get older and they start getting creases in their face. 320 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.519 Kind of like a leathery skin sort of that deal 321 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.640 like that, or yes, yes, exactly interesting. 322 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.799 Yeah. So Aaron and I are standing there and we're like, 323 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.200 oh my god, you know, what are we going to do? 324 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.759 And I said, well, obviously he didn't want to have 325 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:17.640 anything to do with us, and he's going the opposite 326 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:21.440 way from our campsite. So we said, well, fine, let's 327 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:24.039 go to our campsite. It's already set up and everything. 328 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.720 So we go down there and we don't have any problems, 329 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:31.559 no issues, And so that night we built the fire 330 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:35.240 up so that in the morning we'd still have embers 331 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.680 and not have to restart the whole fire, just put 332 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.319 some on and get it going again. Well, the morning 333 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:47.039 comes around and I hear footsteps walking around the tent 334 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.559 and the first thing I thought was, oh my god, 335 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:54.519 he's back to kill us, and it scared the crap 336 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:58.400 out of me. And I had a cotton sleeping bag 337 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.559 and Aaron had a nylon sleeping bag, so every time 338 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.759 he would move, you'd hear the swish swish, so but 339 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.279 when I moved, it was silent. So I slowly got 340 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:13.319 out of the out of my sleeping bag and I 341 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:16.119 went up to the front flaps of this you know, 342 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:18.519 this army pup tent, and it's canvas. You can't see 343 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.359 anything through it. There's no windows or anything. And I 344 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.319 just barely parked the two flaps on the front and 345 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:30.839 there is this big german shepherd kind of hunkering down, 346 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.200 sticking his nose towards the fire and sniffing at it. 347 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.279 And so I'm so relieved it's not Bigfoot back to 348 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.960 kill us. Without thinking about it, I grab the hatchet 349 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.680 and I jump out of the tent and I have 350 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.880 the hatchet raised above my above my head, and I 351 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.359 scream at the dog. Ah. You know, well, you would 352 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:56.559 think that the dog, you know, surprising any animal, you'd 353 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.640 get a reaction to jump back or do something. You'd 354 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.160 think it it elicits some kind of a surprise response 355 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.680 or something. Well, this dog didn't do any of that. 356 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:12.880 He just stood right there and didn't even flinch. And 357 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.960 he's looking at me in my eyes, and then his 358 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:18.519 eyes go up and he's looking at the hatchet, and 359 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:20.680 then he comes back down and looks in my eyes. 360 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.079 And now Aaron's gotten out of the tent, so we're 361 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:27.440 both standing there and this dog turns around and goes 362 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:32.920 down to the end this little kind of oblong area 363 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.039 where our tent was set up. On one side, then 364 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:36.960 there's a tree line, then there's that big field on 365 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.119 the other. Well down at the end of this little 366 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.200 clearing where we are, there's a little rise there, a 367 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.119 little little tiny hill, and on the other side of 368 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:50.279 that there's this super small little craig, probably about as 369 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.440 big around as your finger. So this dog goes down 370 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:58.559 and he stands up on this little mound and stands 371 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:03.119 there and looks at us, And it's a German shepherd, 372 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:06.480 no caller, and he turns around and he walks into 373 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:10.599 the woods. And then another German shepherd comes up and 374 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.240 stands on the little mound in the same exact position, 375 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.599 looks at us, turns around, goes back in. And another 376 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.880 and another and another. There were six German shepherds, not 377 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:25.680 one of them had callers on, and they all did 378 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:28.000 the exact same behavior. They took their time. They all 379 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.559 went up on the hill, looked at us, and then 380 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:33.359 walked back in the woods. He wasn't the same one, 381 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:37.200 because you could tell where one was coming out of 382 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.599 the woods and the other one had walked back where 383 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.759 the one that had stood on the little mound. It 384 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:46.559 walked in the woods in a different area than where 385 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.119 the other ones were coming out of, so I don't 386 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:51.640 think it was circling around the same one. I'm pretty 387 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.119 sure it was six different animals. 388 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:55.799 How good was the lighting? 389 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:00.759 Oh? Excellent? Excellent, And I wish I'd pay more attention 390 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:05.440 to the actual pattern of the fur on the animals, 391 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:08.160 So you know, I could definitely say that it was 392 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:10.480 a different animal, but I'm sure it was a different 393 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:12.799 animal every time, six of them. 394 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.960 How weird. I love that little It's like a weird 395 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.480 punctuation mark at the end of an already strange situation. 396 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:24.720 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 397 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:26.680 We'll be right back after these messages. 398 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:35.279 So Aaron and I are getting kind of you know, 399 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:38.920 this is getting pretty creepy now, right, So we're saying, okay, well, 400 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:41.720 we're going to just look around a little bit and 401 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:45.359