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Speaker 3: And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 1: Good day, Bobo, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: Good day, sir. I'm finding you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. I'm pretty excited about our guests today.
Speaker 1: I want to hop right into it because I know
Speaker 1: that you have a You've got an appointment you have
Speaker 1: to make here, so let's jump right into it. We
Speaker 1: have a fantastic witness this I met this guy a
Speaker 1: few years ago at that event that used to happen
Speaker 1: here in Portland called a Hopsquatch Guy Edwards Speaking event
Speaker 1: he used to do monthly, and this gentleman and I
Speaker 1: just hit it off. We became really good friends. And
Speaker 1: turns out he has two observations of sasquatches that are
Speaker 1: very very impressive at very close range. And I know
Speaker 1: how much you love doing witnesses, so I thought Glenn
Speaker 1: would be a fantastic guest for Bigfoot and Beyond. So, Bobo,
Speaker 1: I don't think you've ever met Glenn. But here he
Speaker 1: is Glenn, Bobo meet each other.
Speaker 4: Pleased to meet you, Bobo, you see Glenn.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 1: You bet all right, Glenn. So give us a lowdown, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, how long has Bigfoot been on your radar?
Speaker 1: And I know that you had one of your sightings
Speaker 1: when you're quite young. So were you aware of sasquatches
Speaker 1: before you saw one?
Speaker 4: ORed it?
Speaker 1: Or was that the baptism by fire so to speak?
Speaker 4: Well, that was back in nineteen seventy one, and I
Speaker 4: had heard about sasquatch, but I never never was very
Speaker 4: interested and never had a sighting or anything. But when
Speaker 4: I was ten years old outside of Watertown, New York,
Speaker 4: out in the back we lived out in the out
Speaker 4: in the country a little bit was in the Air
Speaker 4: Force and he was stationed there in Watertown and me
Speaker 4: and my neighbor there was only the two houses David
Speaker 4: and he and I were walking out back in the
Speaker 4: woods and that's when we had the siding out there.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, tell us about what you saw on how
Speaker 1: it came about then.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, David and I were walking. There's a little
Speaker 4: path heads out towards a little creek out back, and
Speaker 4: we were walking on the path and we were talking
Speaker 4: and we just happened to look at each other and
Speaker 4: we both tripped on a tree route both at the
Speaker 4: same time. We fell down, and there was a log
Speaker 4: laying across the trail, and we almost hit our head
Speaker 4: on the log, and I remember thinking, Wow, I'm glad
Speaker 4: I didn't hit my head on that. And we both
Speaker 4: start getting up and I look over the log. I'm
Speaker 4: still laying down, but I'm just trying to get up,
Speaker 4: and I look over log and right there in front
Speaker 4: of me is the crick. Right on the other side
Speaker 4: of the creek. There there was this animal that had
Speaker 4: taken a tree and had worked the tree up and
Speaker 4: bent it over, and it was it was eating the
Speaker 4: leaves off the top of the tree, and it hurt us,
Speaker 4: and it stopped from picking a leaf right before it
Speaker 4: put it in its mouth, and it turned and looked
Speaker 4: at us and let the tree go, and the tree
Speaker 4: whipped back up in the air, and then it turned
Speaker 4: around and walked away down the trail on the other
Speaker 4: side of the crick. And I realized that that was
Speaker 4: not a gorilla, because I kind of That's one of
Speaker 4: the first things that went through my mind was, oh,
Speaker 4: my god, it's a gorilla. Well no, it was, you know,
Speaker 4: larger and just shaped differently. So anyways, my friend David
Speaker 4: and I we get up and run back to our
Speaker 4: houses like our asses were on fire, scared. It's pretty good.
Speaker 4: But looking back on that, you know, I know there's
Speaker 4: no way that that was somebody dressed up in a
Speaker 4: monkey suit or anything like that, because of the extraordinary
Speaker 4: physical feet that it had performed right in front of
Speaker 4: us by literally bending a tree over that was pretty
Speaker 4: tall and eating the new leaves off the top.
Speaker 1: How big around do you think that tree was that
Speaker 1: it was bending over.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't really know. I would say probably
Speaker 4: at least a couple of inches, because it was probably
Speaker 4: a I bet you it was a fifteen foot tall tree,
Speaker 4: something along those lines. But I was so focused on
Speaker 4: the animal itself and that I wasn't really looking, you know,
Speaker 4: at the base of the tree. But I do recall
Speaker 4: that when it let go of the tree, it whipped
Speaker 4: back up very quickly, and it was much taller than
Speaker 4: the animal.
Speaker 1: Idea what kind of tree it was looking back now, No.
Speaker 4: Just a leafy tree.
Speaker 1: A leafy tree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what type of tree.
Speaker 1: It was actually, well, Glenn, why don't you you got
Speaker 1: a pretty good look at this thing. It was pretty close.
Speaker 1: Can you describe the face for us or what you observed,
Speaker 1: like did you see teeth or the nose or ears
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 4: No, not on not on that one. That one it
Speaker 4: was it was black. It had black fur. It was
Speaker 4: it was quite large. But the way that the sun
Speaker 4: was I think it was slightly backlighting the animal, so
Speaker 4: I couldn't really get a good look at the face
Speaker 4: other than it was it was black. This it was
Speaker 4: very dark, and then of course it turned around and
Speaker 4: walked away. But so on that occasion, I did not
Speaker 4: get to see the face very clearly.
Speaker 3: Could you see the hair length like a DIFFERENTI like
Speaker 3: a differentiation between the thickness of the hair.
Speaker 4: Well, it was not super long hair. I would say
Speaker 4: it was a medium. It wasn't short like a bear,
Speaker 4: you know, bare hair is pretty short. Is longer than that,
Speaker 4: but not like long light in orangutank or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I'd say it was in the middle, but it was
Speaker 4: very dark. It was black.
Speaker 1: I hear from witnesses sometimes who observe sasquatches in their
Speaker 1: back lit that the outside fringes, so to speak of
Speaker 1: the hair are kind of reddish tinge because of the
Speaker 1: light coming through. Did you see that as well? Or
Speaker 1: was it just pure black?
Speaker 4: No? I did not see that. It looked pure black
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Now, was it close enough that you could make
Speaker 1: out any of the hands or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Yes, When it had the tree bent over and I
Speaker 4: saw it actually take its right hand, it had the
Speaker 4: tree bent over with its left hand. It had its
Speaker 4: right hand and it was plucking the new leaves off
Speaker 4: the top. And that's when it started going towards its mouth,
Speaker 4: and it stopped midway, and that's when it turned and
Speaker 4: looked at me and David, and then it hesitated just
Speaker 4: for a moment, and then it let the tree go.
Speaker 4: It did not continue with the leaves to its mouth,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure it just dropped those, but it let
Speaker 4: the tree go, and then it turned to its left
Speaker 4: and walked down the walk down the trail. Because when
Speaker 4: we saw it on the other side of the crick,
Speaker 4: it was facing to my right and had the tree
Speaker 4: bent down from the trail on if I was had
Speaker 4: been traveling forward on the right hand side.
Speaker 1: Oh, here's a very specific question for you that you
Speaker 1: may not be able to answer. When it was holding
Speaker 1: those leaves, did you notice if it was holding them
Speaker 1: between its thumb and the other fingers or between just
Speaker 1: a couple of the fingers.
Speaker 4: It looked to me between the thumb and the fingers.
Speaker 4: It looked like it was plucking off just like a
Speaker 4: human would.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly because I saw reach and grab them
Speaker 4: and then going towards its mouth, and it looked like
Speaker 4: it was between its thumb and fingers.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because the literature, of course says that sasquatches
Speaker 1: do not have opposed thumbs, but other literature and points
Speaker 1: points out that that does not mean that they're not
Speaker 1: opposed a bull. And I think that's a big confusion
Speaker 1: in the Bigfoot community, thinking that the Sasquatches cannot put
Speaker 1: their fingers their their their thumb to their fingertips just
Speaker 1: because they're they have a wonky thumb. You know, it's
Speaker 1: positioned different on their hand than it is on human
Speaker 1: hands based on the evidence that's been collected. But when
Speaker 1: Grover Krantz wrote this not opposed in the same way,
Speaker 1: people took that as like, you're not able to oppose
Speaker 1: it and that's just simply not true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's what it looked like to me, and
Speaker 4: I remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's really neat. And what was the skin
Speaker 1: color like on the hands and whatever else?
Speaker 2: Black?
Speaker 1: The skin color is also black? Interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 4: Now, how did that encounter end by David and I
Speaker 4: jumping up and running as fast as we could back
Speaker 4: to our homes.
Speaker 1: Did you tell anybody?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: I went in and told my parents right away. I
Speaker 4: don't know if David said anything to his folks, but
Speaker 4: I went in and told my parents right away, and
Speaker 4: they were like, no, they didn't believe me. Years later,
Speaker 4: you know, they did come to believe me, and my
Speaker 4: dad said, well, you know, I'm not sure if I
Speaker 4: would even want to have gone out there and seen anything,
Speaker 4: but I'm sure, you know, being that probably the weight
Speaker 4: of the animal and that it was so near a
Speaker 4: crick there, I bet you the dirt was soft enough
Speaker 4: that if he had gone back out with me, I
Speaker 4: bet you there would have been footprints.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys still in touch with David?
Speaker 4: No, No, I haven't seen him since fifty years ago
Speaker 4: when this happened, and my dad was in the Air
Speaker 4: Force and we moved around a lot, and then you know,
Speaker 4: when he retired, we moved to Eugene. And that's when
Speaker 4: I was camping when I had another encounter, very close
Speaker 4: to Eugene and just right there late as okay, okay,
Speaker 4: this was in nineteen seventy seven. I was sixteen years
Speaker 4: old and me and my friend Aaron would go up
Speaker 4: to this one area outside of Eugene. And now it's
Speaker 4: got a lot of houses, but back in that time,
Speaker 4: there weren't as many houses. And this is for people
Speaker 4: who know the Eugene area. This is out thirtieth and
Speaker 4: it goes up over a hill and then it goes
Speaker 4: towards I five. Well, right out there by I five
Speaker 4: is the Lane County Community College and going up Highway thirty.
Speaker 4: We took our bikes up there, and we've been camping
Speaker 4: up there before with some of our other friends, so
Speaker 4: this was not a new area to us. And we
Speaker 4: went up and the asphalt stops. There's a guardrail, and
Speaker 4: then we would there was a dirt road that continued
Speaker 4: past that guardrail. Well, we would go down and hide
Speaker 4: our bikes and take the sword ferns and cover them
Speaker 4: up so hopefully nobody stole them. And on this particular occasion,
Speaker 4: we had an army pup timp that my grandmother had
Speaker 4: purchased for me at a flea market or something, so
Speaker 4: it was that old heavy canvas style. And Aaron and
Speaker 4: I had gone down to this one area that we'd
Speaker 4: been on several occasions. Before. You go down and you
Speaker 4: kind of have to run down the side of the
Speaker 4: hill and then you go through and you go through
Speaker 4: this old stream bed that's overgrown, and then you go
Speaker 4: through the wood some more and then there's a big field,
Speaker 4: an open field, and then right on the other side
Speaker 4: of that field is like a little tiny oblong clearing
Speaker 4: and that clearing is where we would set up camp,
Speaker 4: and that's where we did on this particular occasion. And
Speaker 4: so we had taken some chicken down and all that. Well,
Speaker 4: there's so much top soil around that we didn't really
Speaker 4: have any rocks to put on our little grill to
Speaker 4: cook our meal. So Aaron he wanted to go back.
Speaker 4: He had forgotten something, and I said, okay, fine, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll go back to So we take our bikes, we
Speaker 4: go back, We leave all our stuff there, we leave
Speaker 4: the tent set up, all our gap there. We didn't
Speaker 4: have any firearms, so the only had to hatchet with us.
Speaker 4: And we're sixteen, and so we go back and we
Speaker 4: each get on our bikes and we agree to meet
Speaker 4: back where we hide our bikes. And I remember this
Speaker 4: very clearly at four point thirty in the afternoon. So
Speaker 4: we go down and he gets whatever he's going to get,
Speaker 4: and I come back up and I'm a little early,
Speaker 4: and I think I was there like four o'clock or
Speaker 4: something instead of four to thirty. And Aaron is at
Speaker 4: the guard rail where the asphalt ends and the dirt
Speaker 4: road starts. He's not down there waiting for me where
Speaker 4: we hide our bikes before, you know, before we go
Speaker 4: into the campsite, and he looks upset and I go, hey, Aaron,
Speaker 4: what's going on. He goes, well, so I thought we
Speaker 4: were going to meet down there, and he says, well,
Speaker 4: he says, I was. I was down there waiting for you.
Speaker 4: And he said, well, I can hear something walking around me,
Speaker 4: but I can't see anything. And I said, well that,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm thinking that's kind of strange. So we
Speaker 4: both go down there, We look around, don't see anything.
Speaker 4: We take our bikes cover them up with the sword ferns.
Speaker 4: And I'm looking around and it's it's you know, tall trees,
Speaker 4: sword ferns. There's not really I don't see how anything
Speaker 4: could be walking around you. And you can hear the
Speaker 4: footsteps but not see anything. I just it didn't make
Speaker 4: any sense. So anyways, so Aaron and I we each
Speaker 4: grab two rocks, one in each hand, and those are
Speaker 4: for the for the corners of the grill, so we
Speaker 4: have something, you know, to hold the grill up so
Speaker 4: we can cook our chicken with. And Aaron's walking in
Speaker 4: front of me, and we go down the steep little
Speaker 4: gray there that you kind of have to almost run down.
Speaker 4: It's too steep to walk, so we kind of run
Speaker 4: down that, and then we go through the woods a
Speaker 4: little bit, and then we come to that old stream
Speaker 4: bed that I had mentioned earlier. Now it's all overgrown
Speaker 4: and everything, and or then it was. And Aaron's in
Speaker 4: front of me, and we just get to the bottom
Speaker 4: of that old stream bed and Aaron drops the rock
Speaker 4: in his left hand and it falls on the ground
Speaker 4: and it snaps a twig and the twig goes snap,
Speaker 4: and I'm watching him. I'm standing up. He's bending over,
Speaker 4: and I'm watching his left hand go out and he's
Speaker 4: just about there to pick up the rock, and we
Speaker 4: both hear a snap of another twig off to our right. Well,
Speaker 4: as I'm turning my head to the right, I can
Speaker 4: see Aaron starting to turn his head to the right
Speaker 4: as well. Well. They are just a few feet I'd say,
Speaker 4: not more than not more than twenty feet, maybe even
Speaker 4: closer than that. There is a creature that has the
Speaker 4: bushes parted with both hands. He's looking right at us,
Speaker 4: and when I turned around and looked, he got a
Speaker 4: surprised look on his face, like, oh crap, they saw me.
Speaker 4: And he let the bushes go, and he turned to
Speaker 4: his left, which is back towards the road that we
Speaker 4: came from, the dirt road, and he knocks down this
Speaker 4: small tree that it was probably a good oh probably
Speaker 4: a good three inches across, and he takes his right
Speaker 4: arm and as he's moving his right arm across, it's
Speaker 4: covering up his whole head. I can't even see his head.
Speaker 4: His arm is massive, and he knocks that tree down
Speaker 4: and that tree goes down just wham. I mean no,
Speaker 4: it wasn't like he brushed it aside or anytime, he
Speaker 4: flattened it and then he took off running. Well, this
Speaker 4: creature here was reddish. I had mentioned the one outside
Speaker 4: of Watertown was all black. Well, this one was a
Speaker 4: deep red and it was very clean looking. And I've
Speaker 4: heard a lot of people talk about when they've had
Speaker 4: an encounter they smelled something. Well, on neither occasion did
Speaker 4: I smell anything. But he looked really clean looking, like
Speaker 4: I said so. But when I looked at a face,
Speaker 4: his face was completely jet black skin, and I remember
Speaker 4: there's this huge crease across his left his left cheek.
Speaker 4: But when he looked as he just the expression on
Speaker 4: his face was so human, and it looked exactly to
Speaker 4: me like someone had taken a gorilla and a human
Speaker 4: and had made it them. It looked to be an
Speaker 4: exact cross, and it looked very intelligent. I could see
Speaker 4: just a flash of its teeth. I didn't really notice
Speaker 4: the whites around the eyes or anything. For some reason,
Speaker 4: I had focused in on the side of its face
Speaker 4: where this huge crease was.
Speaker 2: Was it a scar?
Speaker 4: No, I think it was a natural crease. It didn't
Speaker 4: look like a scar. Looked like, you know, like when
Speaker 4: people get older and they start getting creases in their face.
Speaker 1: Kind of like a leathery skin sort of that deal
Speaker 1: like that, or yes, yes, exactly interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So Aaron and I are standing there and we're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, you know, what are we going to do?
Speaker 4: And I said, well, obviously he didn't want to have
Speaker 4: anything to do with us, and he's going the opposite
Speaker 4: way from our campsite. So we said, well, fine, let's
Speaker 4: go to our campsite. It's already set up and everything.
Speaker 4: So we go down there and we don't have any problems,
Speaker 4: no issues, And so that night we built the fire
Speaker 4: up so that in the morning we'd still have embers
Speaker 4: and not have to restart the whole fire, just put
Speaker 4: some on and get it going again. Well, the morning
Speaker 4: comes around and I hear footsteps walking around the tent
Speaker 4: and the first thing I thought was, oh my god,
Speaker 4: he's back to kill us, and it scared the crap
Speaker 4: out of me. And I had a cotton sleeping bag
Speaker 4: and Aaron had a nylon sleeping bag, so every time
Speaker 4: he would move, you'd hear the swish swish, so but
Speaker 4: when I moved, it was silent. So I slowly got
Speaker 4: out of the out of my sleeping bag and I
Speaker 4: went up to the front flaps of this you know,
Speaker 4: this army pup tent, and it's canvas. You can't see
Speaker 4: anything through it. There's no windows or anything. And I
Speaker 4: just barely parked the two flaps on the front and
Speaker 4: there is this big german shepherd kind of hunkering down,
Speaker 4: sticking his nose towards the fire and sniffing at it.
Speaker 4: And so I'm so relieved it's not Bigfoot back to
Speaker 4: kill us. Without thinking about it, I grab the hatchet
Speaker 4: and I jump out of the tent and I have
Speaker 4: the hatchet raised above my above my head, and I
Speaker 4: scream at the dog. Ah. You know, well, you would
Speaker 4: think that the dog, you know, surprising any animal, you'd
Speaker 4: get a reaction to jump back or do something. You'd
Speaker 4: think it it elicits some kind of a surprise response
Speaker 4: or something. Well, this dog didn't do any of that.
Speaker 4: He just stood right there and didn't even flinch. And
Speaker 4: he's looking at me in my eyes, and then his
Speaker 4: eyes go up and he's looking at the hatchet, and
Speaker 4: then he comes back down and looks in my eyes.
Speaker 4: And now Aaron's gotten out of the tent, so we're
Speaker 4: both standing there and this dog turns around and goes
Speaker 4: down to the end this little kind of oblong area
Speaker 4: where our tent was set up. On one side, then
Speaker 4: there's a tree line, then there's that big field on
Speaker 4: the other. Well down at the end of this little
Speaker 4: clearing where we are, there's a little rise there, a
Speaker 4: little little tiny hill, and on the other side of
Speaker 4: that there's this super small little craig, probably about as
Speaker 4: big around as your finger. So this dog goes down
Speaker 4: and he stands up on this little mound and stands
Speaker 4: there and looks at us, And it's a German shepherd,
Speaker 4: no caller, and he turns around and he walks into
Speaker 4: the woods. And then another German shepherd comes up and
Speaker 4: stands on the little mound in the same exact position,
Speaker 4: looks at us, turns around, goes back in. And another
Speaker 4: and another and another. There were six German shepherds, not
Speaker 4: one of them had callers on, and they all did
Speaker 4: the exact same behavior. They took their time. They all
Speaker 4: went up on the hill, looked at us, and then
Speaker 4: walked back in the woods. He wasn't the same one,
Speaker 4: because you could tell where one was coming out of
Speaker 4: the woods and the other one had walked back where
Speaker 4: the one that had stood on the little mound. It
Speaker 4: walked in the woods in a different area than where
Speaker 4: the other ones were coming out of, so I don't
Speaker 4: think it was circling around the same one. I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure it was six different animals.
Speaker 2: How good was the lighting?
Speaker 4: Oh? Excellent? Excellent, And I wish I'd pay more attention
Speaker 4: to the actual pattern of the fur on the animals,
Speaker 4: So you know, I could definitely say that it was
Speaker 4: a different animal, but I'm sure it was a different
Speaker 4: animal every time, six of them.
Speaker 1: How weird. I love that little It's like a weird
Speaker 1: punctuation mark at the end of an already strange situation.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: So Aaron and I are getting kind of you know,
Speaker 4: this is getting pretty creepy now, right, So we're saying, okay, well,
Speaker 4: we're going to just look around a little bit and
Speaker 4: see what's going on in that big field beside us.
Speaker 4: We'd been out there before, when we'd been camping before. Well,
Speaker 4: we go out there and we see this lean to
Speaker 4: structure right on the other side of the field and
Speaker 4: there's nobody around, and it was pretty elaborate lean to,
Speaker 4: and someone had built it and put animal skulls all
Speaker 4: over the lean to. Well, that pretty much ripped it
Speaker 4: for us right there. Okay, so we see, we see
Speaker 4: this bigfoot, we see these these six German shepherds that
Speaker 4: are acting weird, not scared of us at all, and
Speaker 4: then we see this lean to covered skulls. We went
Speaker 4: and packed our stuff up and never went back. And
Speaker 4: I've asked Aaron, you know, I still know him today,
Speaker 4: and he says that he remembers it slightly different, and
Speaker 4: which I'd love to get his you know, what his
Speaker 4: complete story was. But I remember it very clearly, like
Speaker 4: it was yesterday, even though it was you know, forty
Speaker 4: something years ago. And he said that by the time
Speaker 4: he turned his head, he remembers the hand going across
Speaker 4: its face before it knocked down the tree. And that
Speaker 4: animal was pure black skin and reddish. And that was interesting.
Speaker 1: Tree that it knocked down. Was it already kind of dead?
Speaker 1: Was it just a snag or was it a living viable.
Speaker 4: No, it was a living tree, yeah, because I remember
Speaker 4: the leaves and everything as it was going down.
Speaker 1: It just wham.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was another example of superhuman strength. That That's
Speaker 4: why I don't believe it was anybody out there in
Speaker 4: a suit or a costume trying to scare a couple
Speaker 4: of kids in the woods. I don't believe that was
Speaker 4: the case of that.
Speaker 3: In the enter in between your first setting and the
Speaker 3: second seting, were you like just obsessed with Bigfoot at
Speaker 3: that point?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, As a matter of fact, and even afterwards, I've
Speaker 4: always been interested, but it didn't it didn't consume my life.
Speaker 4: I didn't go out and try to find it all
Speaker 4: the time or anything like that.
Speaker 2: What the hell's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 4: But what I did do was when we moved from
Speaker 4: New York and before the second siding, I actually my
Speaker 4: mom took me down to a Bigfoot organization in Eugene
Speaker 4: and they had a big map with pins all over
Speaker 4: from different sightings, and I told him my story, and
Speaker 4: I remember that they put a pin up off of
Speaker 4: a watertown, New York.
Speaker 2: And yeah, the cliff what group thought might have been No.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wondering if that would be like what
Speaker 1: is his name, Ron Olson? I think that he was
Speaker 1: down there around that time in the nineteen seventies. That's
Speaker 1: his name, right, the guy did the Sasquatch movie with
Speaker 1: the Yeah, maybe that was him. I'm not really sure
Speaker 1: who else might have been down there at that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And unfortunately I don't recall. I just remember my
Speaker 4: mom taking me down to their their office and telling
Speaker 4: them the story and then them putting the pin on
Speaker 4: the map.
Speaker 2: They got a cool mom. Those ones took me to
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well you know they didn't. They didn't believe
Speaker 4: me for a while, but I just told him, Nope,
Speaker 4: that's what I saw, and that's the truth, and I'm
Speaker 4: not you know, I'm not making anything up. And finally
Speaker 4: both my parents came to believe me. And and interesting,
Speaker 4: my dad just passed away on New Year's Day this year,
Speaker 4: but we were just talking about it last year before
Speaker 4: he passed away, and that's when he had told me that,
Speaker 4: you know, he is not sure that he would have
Speaker 4: wanted to go down and look around in Watertown when
Speaker 4: we saw it by the creek, you know, because I'm
Speaker 4: sure he would have seen some footprints, but he was like, nope,
Speaker 4: that would have would have freaked him out. So he says,
Speaker 4: I'm glad I didn't go back down with you.
Speaker 1: Do you think that since you had already seen one,
Speaker 1: that perhaps the impact of seeing the second one was
Speaker 1: less than it would have been otherwise, or had it
Speaker 1: seeing one before change the experience of seeing it the
Speaker 1: second time for you?
Speaker 4: Well, I think the first time, it just looked over
Speaker 4: at me and David and then obviously was like, nope,
Speaker 4: he's not gonna met you know, We're not I'm not
Speaker 4: going to kill these kids. I'm not going to mess
Speaker 4: with them nothing, just turned around and walked away. So
Speaker 4: I didn't feel threatened. And then of course on the
Speaker 4: second occasion, when he was right there and I'm looking
Speaker 4: him right in his face, the look on his face
Speaker 4: was like, oh crap, they saw me. He and then
Speaker 4: turns around runs away like that knocks that treat. I mean,
Speaker 4: he obviously didn't want to have anything to do with us,
Speaker 4: So again I didn't feel threatened. But you know, you
Speaker 4: do hear stories of people feeling threatened or you know,
Speaker 4: like the old stories we hear about when people got
Speaker 4: killed and stuff. But maybe there's all sorts of good
Speaker 4: ones and bad ones, just like there are people. But
Speaker 4: I think they're a very intelligent animal. I don't think
Speaker 4: they're completely wild or anything like that. I think that
Speaker 4: they have a high level of intelligence.
Speaker 1: And Bobo something to keep in mind here, when he
Speaker 1: says twenty feet away, you can pretty much take that
Speaker 1: to the bank. I don't want to tell Glen. Glenn
Speaker 1: has high level contracts with various corporations and sometimes the government,
Speaker 1: et cetera for his kind of work, So I don't
Speaker 1: want to you know, we're going to keep Glenn anonymous essentially,
Speaker 1: But amongst many things, he has many, many skill sets.
Speaker 1: I've known Glenn for many years now, but among his skills,
Speaker 1: his skills are he's literally a ballistics expert in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. So when he says twenty feet you
Speaker 1: can take that to the bank. Man, it's not going
Speaker 1: to be thirty. It's not going to be fifty. It's
Speaker 1: going to be twenty maybe twenty one, but that's it.
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I so appreciate Glenn's story
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't have anything to prove. He doesn't
Speaker 1: really care, he's not exaggerating, and his estimates for size
Speaker 1: and distance and all that sort of stuff should be
Speaker 1: taken at a higher level of confidence than your average witness.
Speaker 3: Because that's saying something as we know, and we measure
Speaker 3: stuff out later. A lot of people, most people are
Speaker 3: pretty way off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I strongly think that Glenn's is going to
Speaker 1: be very accurate. It's kind of like talking to maybe
Speaker 1: if you're talking to like a professional bowhunter and they
Speaker 1: tell me that it was seventy five or eighty yards,
Speaker 1: you can pretty much take that to the bank. And
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about Glenn, which is why
Speaker 1: one of the many reasons I want to have him
Speaker 1: on the show. Plus, clearly he's intelligent and articulate. I've
Speaker 1: known Lynn for a long time. I know this gentleman
Speaker 1: is not lying. What he says really did happen. Even
Speaker 1: the weird dog stuff, you know, I take that to
Speaker 1: the bank too. If Glenn says it, you can believe it.
Speaker 3: So you know what's funny is hearing about a big
Speaker 3: foot out there sounds way less weird than hearing about
Speaker 3: six German shepherds.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I know totally. I think the bigfoot, which yeah,
Speaker 1: it might it might be un neerving a little scary,
Speaker 1: but when those dogs showed up, I would that would
Speaker 1: have been enough for me, Glenn. I would have just
Speaker 1: left there and never even seen the lean to with
Speaker 1: the creepy skull decorations this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we were we were pushing it, but yeah,
Speaker 4: we after that that that pretty much ripped it. We
Speaker 4: never went back.
Speaker 3: Did you guys look for cut marks on the where
Speaker 3: that lean two was or do you remember, like, does
Speaker 3: it look like they were a snap with any fresh
Speaker 3: snap branches?
Speaker 4: Well, it looked to me like it was very elaborate.
Speaker 4: I could did I don't. I don't really recall seeing
Speaker 4: if they were snapped or broken or cut, but I
Speaker 4: think because it was so elaborate and fairly large, I think,
Speaker 4: you know, somebody took a long time to build that.
Speaker 4: But I was so kind of creeped out and focused
Speaker 4: in on all the animal skulls and I was like,
Speaker 4: where the hell they get? I mean, it was just
Speaker 4: covered in them. I don't know why, but that freaked
Speaker 4: me out the most. That whole thing just seemed super,
Speaker 4: super creepy. So we just went back and got the
Speaker 4: hell out of there.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 1: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: So when you guys went, you guys went there a lot, like,
Speaker 3: did you ever see anyone down or find people footprints
Speaker 3: or was earning garbage or you know, well used trails
Speaker 3: by humans?
Speaker 4: Yes, we had. Uh. I went to South Eugene High
Speaker 4: School and I was part of student government at the time,
Speaker 4: and this was the you know, the late seven and
Speaker 4: we used to go up there quite a few of
Speaker 4: us students. You know, we'd have a group of ten
Speaker 4: people or so and we'd go up there and we'd
Speaker 4: camp there quite often, so we're very familiar with the area.
Speaker 4: There's there's trails, you know, not super well worn trails,
Speaker 4: but more like deer paths that we knew how to
Speaker 4: get down there. And I had seen bear prints up
Speaker 4: there before. And you know how sometimes a bear it's
Speaker 4: it's it's left or it's it's rear foot. We'll step
Speaker 4: on the imprint of its front foot, so it kind
Speaker 4: of looks like a footprint. And I had seen that
Speaker 4: up there before in the mud. But I recognized it
Speaker 4: for what it was. It was a bear, that was
Speaker 4: and I did not ever think that was a sasquatch
Speaker 4: or a big footprint.
Speaker 2: Was there homeless people in that area that time?
Speaker 4: No, No, you never saw anything like that. At that
Speaker 4: time and never saw anybody camping back there and had
Speaker 4: not seen that lean to. But then again, it had
Speaker 4: been some time, you know, probably several months since we
Speaker 4: had been up there, so that afforded someone some time
Speaker 4: to you know, build an elaborate lean to you like that.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it was, you know, a
Speaker 4: cult thing, or they were living up there, or it's
Speaker 4: a homeless I have no idea. I just know that
Speaker 4: I thought that was an inordinate amount of skulls, animal skulls.
Speaker 4: I was wondering where the hell did they get so many.
Speaker 3: Rick Noll Old School, real well known researcher in the
Speaker 3: Bigfoot community. He found a nest up in Washington, a
Speaker 3: bigfoot nest like eight nine foot diameter on a cliff,
Speaker 3: on a.
Speaker 2: Ledge I think it was. It had a cave.
Speaker 3: It was like a ledge overhang with an overhang over it,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of like a sort of a cave
Speaker 3: sort of. And it was a big nest sasquatch nests,
Speaker 3: and they had skulls on the outside facing down into
Speaker 3: the valley that had overlooked.
Speaker 2: I believe there was.
Speaker 3: A in the very middle was a mountain lion skull but.
Speaker 1: Didn't you weren't you turned onto this to a nest
Speaker 1: or some bone site or pit or something like that
Speaker 1: kind of in the general area witchpack or something back
Speaker 1: in the day that that sounds familiar to me? Is
Speaker 1: that is that accurate?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was up off the goro, But I never found
Speaker 3: that one. I've seen some other I found where there's
Speaker 3: been animal bones stuck by, like you know, tibias, phibias, ribs, jaws, skulls,
Speaker 3: but they were like that that was more arranged.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Glenn, do you happen looking back now with the
Speaker 1: knowledge you have, would you be able to guess at
Speaker 1: some of the species of animals that you saw the
Speaker 1: skulls of or was it like deer or cow or
Speaker 1: raccoon or what?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that it was it was deer, and
Speaker 4: I think it was raccoon and possum. A lot of
Speaker 4: them were of smaller creatures and then some birds as well,
Speaker 4: but nothing as large as a cow or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I think it was all you know, I'd ever probably
Speaker 4: just whether it's either finding them or killing them and
Speaker 4: eating them and then putting the skulls on the lean to.
Speaker 4: But it was all stuff like that. Like raccoons and
Speaker 4: maybe coyote and thinks of that that nature possums stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's even scarier. You know, if there's a couple
Speaker 1: of cow skulls or something, that'd be all, what an
Speaker 1: interesting decoration you have to your camp. But like possums
Speaker 1: and skin, raccoons and birds. Yeah, that's way creepier than
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: It was extremely creepy. And that's again you know, I
Speaker 4: I the seeing Bigfoot there. It was very It scared us,
Speaker 4: but he's was so obviously not wanting to have anything
Speaker 4: to do with us and went in the opposite direction.
Speaker 4: That's why when went hadn't stayed there. I'm sure a
Speaker 4: lot of people think that's nuts in itself. But then
Speaker 4: the German shepherds, you know, we're upping the creepiness factor,
Speaker 4: but that leaned to with the skulls. That was it
Speaker 4: done the dog still Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a
Speaker 4: very strange and encounter. Especially one thing that I still
Speaker 4: remember to this day was me literally launching myself out
Speaker 4: of the pup tent with the hatchet above my head.
Speaker 4: You would think that any other animal would would recoil
Speaker 4: or run back a few steps or something, and this
Speaker 4: animal absolutely did not. He just looked up at me like,
Speaker 4: who the hell do you think you are and stood
Speaker 4: his ground. And then I was watching his eyes go
Speaker 4: from my eyes to my hatchet, back to my eyes.
Speaker 2: And then were they extra large?
Speaker 3: Like were the extra large dogs or these different size
Speaker 3: They were.
Speaker 4: All looked like full grown German shepherds, so fairly large dogs,
Speaker 4: probably you know, seventy seventy five pounds apiece. What time
Speaker 4: was it, Well that when we left, that was in
Speaker 4: the morning, because remember we had been sleeping and we
Speaker 4: were just woken up by the sound of footsteps around
Speaker 4: the tent, and that's when I was thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 4: bigfoots back to kill us. And it was, in fact
Speaker 4: the German shepherds.
Speaker 1: And you saw the sasquatch in late afternoon, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, yep, that was at about four thirty. Because I
Speaker 4: was supposed to have met Aaron back at where we
Speaker 4: hide our bikes at four thirty, but I arrived earlier
Speaker 4: and so had he, and he was waiting at the
Speaker 4: guardrail at the end of the asphalt where the dirt
Speaker 4: road began. And that's when he told me the reason
Speaker 4: he was waiting for me up there is because he
Speaker 4: was waiting, had been waiting for us by the bikes
Speaker 4: or where we hide the bikes, and he could hear
Speaker 4: footsteps around him, but couldn't see anything, and it creepd
Speaker 4: him out, so he decided to wait at the guardrail.
Speaker 4: So when we both went down there, look around, Like
Speaker 4: I said, it wasn't overly brushy. It was you know,
Speaker 4: tall trees with a lot of sword ferns. So I'm
Speaker 4: not sure even if it was a deer or something,
Speaker 4: unless it was a really small animal that was hidden
Speaker 4: by the sword ferns that might have been walking around.
Speaker 4: I don't know how anything could have been walking around
Speaker 4: and without being seen. And so by the time we
Speaker 4: got you know that we each got the two rocks
Speaker 4: walked down. By the time we got down to that
Speaker 4: old stream bed that was overgrown, I'd say it was
Speaker 4: probably about four thirty in the afternoon, and this is summertime,
Speaker 4: so plenty of light.
Speaker 1: And now you said you used to go to this
Speaker 1: area with some frequency. Did you ever notice like maybe
Speaker 1: varmint hunters or hunters of any sort in the area.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about maybe what could have accumulated so many
Speaker 1: small skulls. Is it just kids, kids shooting at things
Speaker 1: because that's what kids do. Or what are your thoughts there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'd never seen anybody down there before. Usually just
Speaker 4: our group, like I'd said, we had, you know, a
Speaker 4: student government. We all got along and would go down
Speaker 4: there and to you know, hang out and have our
Speaker 4: campfires and have fun and everything. But I never saw
Speaker 4: anybody else there, any other campers that were not within
Speaker 4: our group. One thing that I had noticed over the
Speaker 4: times though that we had been down there, is I'd
Speaker 4: noticed that the woods were always unusually quiet, and you know,
Speaker 4: normally you'll hear birds and things of that nature. And
Speaker 4: that's one thing that I'd always noticed up there, that
Speaker 4: it would just seem too quiet, and you'd hear a
Speaker 4: squirrel going through the trees or something and it was
Speaker 4: making it was because the place was so quiet, it'd
Speaker 4: make a lot of noise. But that is something that
Speaker 4: I recall, is that they the woods didn't seem to
Speaker 4: have the birds and just the animals talking and moving
Speaker 4: about like you will. Like now, you know, I live
Speaker 4: in the country now and you get all sorts of
Speaker 4: noises and birds talking, and you know, at night, coyotes
Speaker 4: and raccoons and all sorts of stuff. But that's one
Speaker 4: thing that I do remember about that area was it
Speaker 4: always just seemed a little bit too quiet.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages. I'm just sitting
Speaker 1: here wondering about the connection between all those dead animals
Speaker 1: because there were skulls. We know there were dead animals there,
Speaker 1: and the presence of a sasquatch and maybe even the dog.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to it might be one of these chicken,
Speaker 1: chicken or the egg situations, Like was the sasquatch there
Speaker 1: because maybe people were critter hunting and there were a
Speaker 1: bunch of corpses laying around. It was just easy meals
Speaker 1: to pick up. And you know, in the same sort
Speaker 1: of way that sasquatches are known to rate up traps,
Speaker 1: you know that sort of thing. Or was the sasquatch
Speaker 1: actually doing the killing and then humans might have been
Speaker 1: in the area collecting the skulls and then using them
Speaker 1: as decorations on their on their lean to And unless
Speaker 1: you think that the sasquatch has made the lean to
Speaker 1: is is that is that something that you've considered.
Speaker 4: Or no, well, you know, actually I had not considered that.
Speaker 4: I just assumed that it was human. I just I
Speaker 4: never I never thought that the Sasquatch had built it
Speaker 4: for some reason when I saw it, I just I
Speaker 4: just thought a human had built it, and they're probably
Speaker 4: out of their mind, and I want to I want
Speaker 4: to get out of here. And you know, one one
Speaker 4: thing too that on both of my encounters, uh, the
Speaker 4: one outside of Watertown, New York and the one outside
Speaker 4: of Eugene, the one thing that I find interesting in
Speaker 4: both of those is their proximity to to uh, civilization,
Speaker 4: very close to houses. I mean, uh, it's They're not
Speaker 4: way on both those occasions, it wasn't way out in
Speaker 4: the middle of the woods, you know, on some hunting
Speaker 4: trip where there's nobody around for miles and miles. Both
Speaker 4: of these encounters were very very close to civilization. I
Speaker 4: find that interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, how close to the closest homes, would.
Speaker 4: You say, Well, in Watertown, New York, when I was
Speaker 4: walking with my friend David Gosh, that's only maybe a
Speaker 4: couple of hundred yards, a couple of hundred meters behind
Speaker 4: his house. My house was was we had this huge
Speaker 4: yard about the size almost the size of a football field.
Speaker 4: And then the house I lived in was on the
Speaker 4: side of the yard, and his house was on the
Speaker 4: end of the yard. And then on the other end
Speaker 4: was the highway that went by, so he was away
Speaker 4: from the highway. And then the woods behind his house
Speaker 4: where that little creek was was was not far at all.
Speaker 4: And I bet you, I bet you now that I
Speaker 4: think about it, you know, because being a little kid,
Speaker 4: things look bigger. But I bet you, I bet you
Speaker 4: it wasn't more than one hundred meters behind his house.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because the behaviors of the Sasquatches in both
Speaker 1: cases were just like, oh my gosh, they saw me,
Speaker 1: and they're out of there, like you didn't. Note that
Speaker 1: this seems surprised almost, or at least we're interpreting the
Speaker 1: reaction of surprise that it had been seen, and of
Speaker 1: course leaving the area immediately. Most Sasquatch settings, all right,
Speaker 1: they just leave, you know, Patterson Giblan film, that's what
Speaker 1: I said, Like, oh, that's what that is, and they
Speaker 1: leave right away. But both of these seem rather surprised
Speaker 1: and got the heck out pretty quickly, and that might
Speaker 1: be an indicative of them being so close to humans
Speaker 1: and the houses and whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the black one outside of Watertown, it didn't move
Speaker 4: with a sense of urgency. Yes, it did let go
Speaker 4: of the tree and it turned around and walked away,
Speaker 4: But it definitely did not move with a sense of
Speaker 4: purpose that the one outside of Eugene. I mean he
Speaker 4: took off.
Speaker 1: Did you see it run or did his hear it
Speaker 1: run off into the brush?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I saw him turn, knocked that tree down, and run,
Speaker 4: So I saw him run, but then he was quickly
Speaker 4: swallowed up by the brush, So it wasn't like I
Speaker 4: had eyes on for any length of time after that.
Speaker 1: How far do you think he saw it run?
Speaker 4: Oh? Maybe only about oh six or eight meters before
Speaker 4: it was covered up by the brush, because it was
Speaker 4: pretty thickly overgrown.
Speaker 1: And did you hear it just kind of fade off
Speaker 1: into the distance or else?
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, he trumped off. And that's why I knew
Speaker 4: that he was going the opposite way than we were going,
Speaker 4: because I could hear him going through the brush.
Speaker 1: And I guess you felt comfortable enough with the distance
Speaker 1: away it was that you were left alone there by.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I did not feel threatened at all, and
Speaker 4: neither did my friend Aaron. You know, we talked about, well,
Speaker 4: what do you want to do, and I said, well,
Speaker 4: obviously he has. He wants nothing at all to do
Speaker 4: with us. He's going the opposite direction of camp. I say,
Speaker 4: we just go ahead and continue with our camping, which
Speaker 4: is what we did.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Bobo, as I was saying earlier about being able
Speaker 1: to trust glens observations and estimates of distances, I think
Speaker 1: you can hear that now by him referencing everything in meters.
Speaker 1: By the way, he's not saying yard or feeders, He's
Speaker 1: actually saying meters, because that's what this man does. Essentially,
Speaker 1: everything is going to be accurate with.
Speaker 2: The Bobot computer.
Speaker 3: It does not compute seeing a big foot twice as
Speaker 3: a child not being obsessed does not indicate great intelligence.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, interesting, interesting, Yeah, I just you know, I
Speaker 4: know they're real. I have always been interested in them,
Speaker 4: but I didn't go out actively looking for them. I felt,
Speaker 4: actually that, like I was struck by lightning. I felt
Speaker 4: so blessed essentially by being able to see these animals
Speaker 4: on two occasions. I almost felt like, well, gosh, what
Speaker 4: would the chances of me be going out in looking
Speaker 4: for one and then seeing one again. I just thought
Speaker 4: that the numbers would be too astronomical. I'd be wasting
Speaker 4: my time. Though I am very interested in them, and
Speaker 4: I like to read about them. I like to watch
Speaker 4: YouTube about them. I like to hear other people's stories
Speaker 4: about them. And so it's it's not like I'm just
Speaker 4: no interest. Oh No, I do have a great interest
Speaker 4: in them. It's just that I think it's like I said,
Speaker 4: it's I feel like I've been struck by lightning twice
Speaker 4: and where are the chances of that happening again?
Speaker 1: And also, to be fair, I did meet you at
Speaker 1: a bigfoot event, so there's some interests there. You are
Speaker 1: doing the bigfoot thing, just maybe perhaps compared to some
Speaker 1: of your other friends, you're not as interested as they are.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I think so.
Speaker 3: Hey Glenn, when you saw it run, what was the
Speaker 3: running style? Like the human? Was the arms pumping a lot?
Speaker 4: It taken its right arm, knocked that little tree down,
Speaker 4: and then just ran really quickly and was swallowed up
Speaker 4: by the bush. So I didn't really get alls I
Speaker 4: saw basically was its back going away from me. I
Speaker 4: couldn't really tell if the arms were pumping or moving
Speaker 4: or you know, running like a monkey or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I just remember it's huge muscular arm knocking that tree
Speaker 4: down and taking off, and I'm looking at the it's
Speaker 4: red fur on its back as it's being swallowed up
Speaker 4: by the bushes.
Speaker 3: Could you see the muscle was it two hair or
Speaker 3: could you see muscle like definition moving?
Speaker 4: Oh? You could see it was. You could see it
Speaker 4: was extremely muscular. And like I said, when when it
Speaker 4: had the bushes parted, and then we turned and looked
Speaker 4: at it, and it had the look of surprise that
Speaker 4: it let go of those bushes. Well, when it took
Speaker 4: its right arm across, I could see its entire hand,
Speaker 4: which looked like to me, like a cross between a
Speaker 4: gorilla and a human hand, and then the reddish hair
Speaker 4: which I mentioned looked very clean. It was hanging down
Speaker 4: probably about six inches or so. And but the arm
Speaker 4: was massive that when it moved its arm across, I
Speaker 4: couldn't even see its head in its neck. Of course,
Speaker 4: it was probably ducking down as making that movement, but
Speaker 4: I mean, that's how massive its biceped was, and you
Speaker 4: could see the huge shoulders and everything. I mean, this
Speaker 4: was an incredible, incredibly powerful animal.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Glenn, Bobo has a heart out here.
Speaker 1: He has an appointment he has to take care of,
Speaker 1: so we're going to let him go right now. But
Speaker 1: I wanted to thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 1: on Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. You've been
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine for a long time and
Speaker 1: I love your stories and your observations are just fantastic,
Speaker 1: So thank you very much for sharing them with with
Speaker 1: the Bobes and I and also our audience.
Speaker 4: Glenn, You're welcome, You're welcome, and thank you for having
Speaker 4: me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: I've been hearing the stories and it's always I mean,
Speaker 3: it's basically with Cliff. There was details I'd never heard
Speaker 3: before from Cliff hearing it from you, but I'd heard
Speaker 3: the story so many times I was familiar with it,
Speaker 3: but as always, when you hear it from the horse's mouth,
Speaker 3: it's that much better.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much, and I look forward to
Speaker 4: meeting you someday.
Speaker 2: Bobo, me too. All right, I'll catch you guys later.
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