Speaker 1: Here's another option. I want to throw you a scardo
because is going to tie in to the second kind
of Batman room that came out. We had heard about this,
and I can't remember. I think I talked about this
at like on a trust told you like at in
the beginning of Fall or something like that. But I
talked about this rumor this and it was from a
very like low seat. Here this Tobias Menzies is and
talks to play major character in Batman Part two. But
the guy who reported on the news today, which you laughing.
Speaker 2: At, I'm laughing because this photo like he's with Robbie
P in the pop corner.
Speaker 1: It looks like this guy.
Speaker 2: With the mask, doesn't it like just like the facial structure,
like like does the palm chin?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I disagree passing pictures replacing Robbie, Like the job
is so similar to Scarlett's too young. We got to
get an older Batman Robin P. Sorry, we're gonna to
Bias Venzi this story. Yeah, he needs adult this ship
out ever. But anyways, so that was a small rumor
and then today the guy that broke the Simin news
and had some news and scardis stuff. He had put
out that one of the male villains, again we don't
know is it's like the Batman with multiple is a
you know whatever is doctor Arkham ak would be probably
Jeremiah Arkham. So the reason this could be big for
two reasons is obviously the Arkham's silm could be in
this more that is one of the showrunners, like I guess,
I don't know, not owners, but I guess the one
of the people that run Arkham Asylum, right. But also
in this situation where there is a storyline where Astrod
Arkham kind of acts as some sort of vigilante that
it's like, takes people out and everything like that. So
people brought the up and he used to Mike brought
that up. But I thought, oh, that could be the case,
right if you got this guy, you know, doctor Arkham,
and then his daughter Astrod Arkham, who Scarlett could be playing,
it's like this vigilante and maybe kills people or goes
too far. I thought, Okay, I kind of see that.
But now the only thing where I was talking with
the Emily, the only thing that would clash with that
to me is if there is any truth to love
interest stuff, If you guys don't remember. In The Batman,
they established that Martha Wayne was an Arkham, remember before
she married, and that's how it was cover up. So
that's what gave me a pause, Like, well, if she's
an Arkham and she's romantically involved with Bruce, I don't
know how far down that is from the family tree,
but they're still shaking the tree together. So that's what
I'm asking you, guys. Would do you think that kind
of eliminates Scarlett Johansson from being this ash at Arkham?
Do you like this idea of an Arkham Asylum doctor
being the main villain? And do you think the Batman
would dabble in any Game of Thrones? Because that would
be a twist, right because the second effect all their cousins.
They're like, well, I guess they're getting on. You're gonna
they're not related. But if she just boom, you adopted me.
You your cousin and we're getting it on, you know.
I thought of k first about some of the mumbo
jumba I throw out here.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, this isn't Jeremiah Arkham. That's not
like Hugo Strange.
Speaker 1: It would be No, that's separate. Yougo strangers usually a
doctor that works at Arkham, and the Jeremiah Arkham is
just like another like questionable individual. He's the questionable individual
of course at Arkham. Yeah, did you look at it?
They really shut that building down.
Speaker 2: Then you do some internal investigation. Yeah, and what's going
on in arc over here? I could kind of see
it going both ways because like if you do do
some spicy interesting storyline like that where like it ties
to something close to Bruce's like or or like life.
Like I feel like it was a big moment for
him to kind of have that revelation in the first
Batman and then dealing with this character like.
Speaker 1: It would tie.
Speaker 2: It would tie her mostly just the Arkham tie, I think,
like to his mother and stuff like that. I don't know,
it seems messy, but like maybe they can navigate it
properly to like do a really good story there. I
think I'd prefer going away from that and and have
I mean, I'm as soon as I saw the Bomon image,
like come on, that's what I want for the Scar
Joe pairing now.
Speaker 1: But it would make sense, right because that would make
maybe it was a big deal for Bruce, Like you
said that revelation and the fact that she was an Arkham,
so that would be heavily tying into the first one.
Speaker 2: So exactly. Yeah, so I could see it, but my
want is to go away from that. But that actor
Tobias whatever his name is, the guy in the cow.
Speaker 1: Is he in the Crown or something like that. He
looks like a Crown actor.
Speaker 2: I've seen him in things and things I've seen him
in He's been phenomenal, So I agree. I like more
minor roles for sure, but I think he could totally
fit just the overall tone of you know, being in
there with with the legs of this.
Speaker 1: Free and uh for a Mattery's quote, he did say
because I kind of have dispair, he says the villain's
gonna go. He didn't like it. Just I think that
the person asked and they're saying villain, but he did
not say villain, just answering question. It goes into Bruce
Wayne's past and his life in the villain has never
really been done before in a movie. So again, talking
about the whole going in the past, the arcan would
kind of make sense and stuff. And I guess I
just to see the shoe drop of who she's playing, right,
because's I guess you could make anyone big, right, But
I have a hard time imagining that they're gonna do
a Batman two movie and it's just who are the
two villains doctor Arkham and Ashitt Arkham? Like that that
feels like if you're nine deep into a movie franchis,
who else are gonna do? Right? Like? And I get it,
you could still do Harvey Dent, But that's why I
still thinking something. At the same time, though, I guess
going against myself, you didn't know, like you saw the
image of Scar Joe and mass phantasm, many people don't
know that, right, Like that was an animated movie in
ninety three the year is born, So it's not like, oh,
you're going with a really classic character. I would say,
even though people didn't really know her, people knew of
Harley Quinn, right They like even before Suicide Squad, lots
of people knew of Oh, that's the female Joker, right, Like,
same way as Venom was like, you know, apologize the
lack of better term, like that's the Black Spider Man.
You know before maz it was like, oh that's evil
Black Spider Man Venom, So I don't think people know fantasm,
so I don't know what you could do. I still
am wondering. Also the other shoe, when Drop is like
if Barry's coming back and how big a role does
he have? Because I don't think they would do this.
But in the mass Phantasm story, the Joker has like
a big subplot. What is what is this thing? From
the image when the screen share, it looks like nothing,
and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, what that? Andrea Baumont right there, Christmas crazy? It
could be a Christmas movie, tooku. It's taking place up
for Halloween. But yeah, I hope so, but that's the
thing where the Joker I have a home along with
my oh my rent.
Speaker 1: But that could help though, right if even if it's
doctor Arkham and Astro Arkham, if it's like, okay, we
got a bunch of new villains, but Barry's jokers in here,
even it was like a like even the way Penguin
was in there, that would that would help? Right?
Speaker 4: So yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, maybe we'll add that in a second.
There U s bobs. I don't that's interesting full. I
was gonna go on a different Oh, I guess you
got calin Paraoh's Penguin back right, like they confirm that,
So like to ask you, do you think, because obviously
this is a sequel, they've established it, and I guess
you could almost use Batman begins, right if I Scarecrow
and rosal Google those were lower Till villains. But let's
say it was like a doctor Arkham and an astroid Arkham,
like very Arkham tide things. Do you think that works
for a sequel that's gonna be successful or do you
think you still need at least one big like the
last one? He had Brad learn Catwoman, so some big ones, right,
even with Dark Knight rises. I don't think it really
matter at that point. I think everyone was checked in.
But people know who Baine was Joker, They knew who
that was, right, So it's like usually there's kind of
a couple of lower Till villains but one big character.
And I'd say, other than Batman begins, do you think
Matt Reeve's doing a sequel could get away with doing
a bunch of lesser known even if it's Andrea Beaumont,
like you didn't know her before this week, right, Taylor
like that character, So that's what I mean. Do you
think for the GA who's not listening to this podcast
is not into Do you think they'll just go, oh,
I like that first one, so go see it? Or
do you think, oh, I'm expecting another A tier character
And if there's not, I don't know if I need
to see this one, especially because we're gonna be getting
another Batman a couple of years too. Right with James Gunn,
I guarantee you he'll probably add a very comic booky character.
Speaker 5: So hmmm, yeah, I think with James, well, James Gunn
likes to pull these out of you know, the hat
sideways characters that I'm very unfamiliar with, right. I feel
like that's kind of been his m O with Peacemaker,
and that's been his MOMO with Superman and soon other
future projects.
Speaker 1: But Superman, who was his main battie though he is
still Lex, right.
Speaker 5: So like you know, like focus on like Lex's like
the Bulgarian Beast or whatever his name was, then that
chick with the who could like morph and shit with
the nan Nights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I mean. That's like the Batman thing,
right where it's like, Okay, you had you have like
like in the last one, you had the Riddler. Well
those are all lower tier ones, but you have a
big villain, but then you have the trickle down of
like Carmine Falcone and maybe even Penguin a lesser to
ree Lex is still like a big a tier person,
you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I think that they could get away with
doing a lower known character in this movie, and then
in the third one give.
Speaker 4: Us a big character, a big villain.
Speaker 5: I don't have a Joker, I think because they introduced him, right,
So I don't want like the part two and part
three to be like like a back to back kind
of thing.
Speaker 4: Like I was trying to think of, like what good example.
Speaker 5: Okay, parts of the Caribbean Churs the Black Pearl that's
its own standalone, and then dead Men's Chest and that
World's Ender, like the start and the finish of that story.
Speaker 4: Right, I don't want The Batman to be like that.
Speaker 1: I want the.
Speaker 4: Really their own isolated chapters.
Speaker 1: And I think, would you like it to be like that?
If okay, this is this is not actually happening, But
let's say like six months ago, if they said, hey, Taylor,
we want to shoot Batman two to three, wouldn't you
rab them do that? Because we don't know if Batman
three would happen, right, like if they shot back to back.
We know we're getting three, We're now well there's the
balloons that Like now it's like we don't even if
we're we get Batman three. Right, So it's the only
thing I'd pushed back if it was that, would you
be fine with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's your answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guarantee that third one. Yes, definitely, of course.
Speaker 1: But in this world where we do get a third
one and it's all good, you'd rather them all be
separate stories. You're kind of like not saying it's coffee,
but you kind of want to be similar as Nolan's right,
like they had a tie, but each begins. Dark Knight
and Rises are all very distinct stories by themselves. They are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're all distinct in their own individualistic way, I guess,
and I prefer that for this.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Arkham stuff, do you have any interest in that? Like
tying back to the stuff with Wayne's mom and more
of Arkham's doctor Arkham.
Speaker 4: I'm not in the Arkham political side of things.
Speaker 1: That's but going to could be fun. It's a crazy get.
Speaker 5: The Arkham Asylum movie based on the game I'm there.
I mean, if you put Robbie G or sorry, Robbie P.
Speaker 1: He's in Bollywood movies. He's in the Bollywood Batman when
it goes public.
Speaker 4: To Amine's his buddy.
Speaker 5: Put Robbie P into Arkham and like trap them in
there trying to escape. That'd be down for that. And
it's a shame we never got that Arkham TV show, which.
Speaker 1: Would make sense though because if that's one thing I
was going to bring up. Remember Rees was working on
that and of course guns at all, Like it just
didn't work out because I think they wanted the DC
and whatever. It didn't work out. But like if he
was trying to develop an Arkham show and we're hearing
rumors that one of the villains, maybe two of the
villains are Arkham related, that's kind of like smoke fire thing, right,
It's like because look at this scenario, Batman two comes out,
and then if he was working on Arham show that
would have came right after. That would almost imply maybe
this is the villain or a part of it, right,
Like that would make a lot of sense. Like Penguin
right as far as oh Penguin, you know, wasn't Batman.
That's like a bridge to Batman Part two? Right, So
I agree, Yeah, yeah, I correctly want to answer the
question I threw to Taylor. Yeah, now, if you love
the cliffs, this is your show. If you hate the clips,
not a show for you. But you know what, that's
a big clip show. We go with the vibes. But
I feel like we haven't done one in a while,
you know, so it's true. Yeah, but yeah, do you
think there could be smoked to that fire where they
were working on Arkham show no longer, but now we
hear rumors of Arkham type villains.
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, Yeah, I feel like it's more
likely than not. It's also kind of nice because like
maybe they would have like a general idea already that'd
be like pulling into that. So it's like if they
if they think there's something there wasn't able to work out,
but we still can like tell that story. I feel
like that's kind of a good sign. But yeah, maybe
I'm maybe I'm stretching.
Speaker 1: And again too, like obviously we found out once we
saw The Batman and reviewed it, But if you would
have told us like a three or four years before,
which is so funny. Matt Reeves is such a sly motherfucker.
He was at DC Studios or Warner Brothers and he
took a picture of the Batman's sixties costumes and it
was a Catwoman, Riddler, Penguin, Joker, and we just said, oh,
he's just shown image. But all those characters were in
the Batman, right, Like it was so good. But if
at that point, if we would have heard scoops of oh, Penguin, Catwin,
Ridler and Joker in the movie, we would have been like, oh,
that's like a really crowded movie, like do you have time?
So the same thing, like this Arkham guy, like doctor Arkham,
Jeremiah Rockham, he could be in there the same route
Penguin was, right, he could just be a conduit to
get to and even then like another one is even
Carmine felt con right, like he was a bigger villain
than Penguin in that movie. And you wouldn't have thought
that at the time, right because Colin Farrell versus too, he.
Speaker 2: Was all over the trailers two for that movie, right.
Speaker 1: Oh pig oh, yeah, that car chase and everything like
that was that first trailer. So that's where it's like
you never know when we hear these castings of I
feel like we're getting the scar Joe one because she
is going to be probably uh in the top three
for porns. It's to me it's usually Bruce, maybe Gordon,
then her, And that's I forgot to ask you before.
How do you feel Because we talked about this a
little bit in the summer when it was like some
Sea Tier stuff, But now the A Tier S series
have been reported, it looks like Kravit's aka Catwoman is
not gonna be in this. How do you feel about that? Sad?
Speaker 4: For sure?
Speaker 2: I would like to like think that there's a possibility that,
like her story's still not done, like maybe if we
get a third like that character comes back at some point. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That's when that you got like your Avengers assemble, all
of these these characters coming coming back.
Speaker 4: Because I I like.
Speaker 2: That her story was still open ended, but like I'm not,
I don't. I don't think the movie is like has
to have her in there, Like the Anning wasn't so
tied to him and her being together, so and if
she's not around, I feel like it's also kind of
good for the overall like story because it's just like
such an interesting, complex relationship that those two characters have,
and it it makes sense that they don't just like
work out, you know it and just get a sail
off into the sunset together like it like like she's
doing her own thing and that's just who she is
in her character and it fits that role. But obviously
I'm sad because she was phenomenal in that first movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the two things. One. I still hope this
is successful. And we'll talk about where we might see
a Catwoman show in a second here, But I still
hope that a cat Woman show could happen. Like to me,
that'd be the perfect bridge to do what they did
with Penguin almost see her the same way Penguin Show
ended with him with the whole Comba costume. Imagine if
that's the last episode of Catwoman. Get that, and then
Catwoman or Batman she gets adopted by We've unlocked a
new me and the adopting. So only if you listen
this episode, you know what it means. Dylan, you Beary
listen Now He's gonna hear the three or third clip
and be like, these fucking guys are I'm not here.
I can't. He's gonna hear this clip show and then
be like, no, come on, no, what's hell get me?
That was me? That was me that Yeah, but I
was gonna say as well to I brought this up
and trust told you. I think a good way they
could do it, though, is also if this is a
love interest. Imagine because the first movie he has a
semi you know, tension, like not they're like a fling, right,
they just kiss, that's about it, yeah, exactly, But then
she leaves, he leaves whatever. Imagine this time if he
falls in love with somebody or same thing. Well, they
won't they but she is a bad guy, like a
full and bad guy.
Speaker 6: And then I think that Vide and his cousin fuck
yeah really cements like, oh Selena is like maybe more
like he can trust her a little bit more like
it wasn't just like it's not just oh every girl
I meet.
Speaker 1: That on Batman, they're attracted me and want to adopt me. Right,
It's like, oh I could actually trust I can I
just be like it could be even epiphany that oh
I can actually trust Selena more than a lot of
other people, right, Taylor.
Speaker 2: Thing is just so funny because he's an orphan, So
there's like he's like a tie there.
Speaker 1: You tapt me hard, Taylor before we move on here
cat Zoe Kratz look like she's more confirmed not to
be in this are you? Uh find out for a story? Disappointed?
Where are you?
Speaker 5: I'm curious, like, is this uh this is an actress choice?
So is she choosing to do a different project instead?
Speaker 1: No, I don't, Well, I guess we don't know, right,
we could because she has directed. There's no there's no
method of she said no or they didn't have a
role for or anything. I would assume it's more of
the script that I didn't call for. And again I
still could see us in air where she's like in
a scene or two. Right, I think they're just really
emphasizing that she's not gonna be like the last one
where I would say she's probably like who would you
rank for the most important character after Batman? I feel
like probably her, right, Like it's either her Gordon because
real there's not in the movie that much.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, right, Like she's never you know, he's an
enigma to use his his family name in the great movie?
Whatever I keep I'm not good with the old Batman.
Speaker 1: That's okay, movie names mister, Yeah, no Batman forever so
but I I just that means she wouldn't be in the role.
But yes, yeah, there's no reason lessens just that she.
Speaker 4: Won't be in my pick.
Speaker 1: No, he's in there for two scenes and spends and
he's get Sadie SINCD. He's in a hospital for like
the entire back half of the movie.
Speaker 2: Were thinking about him only.
Speaker 1: I mean that US three and.
Speaker 4: That might be too inside.
Speaker 1: That's two inside base. There's a one star review. Taylor
Zoey krabs not in this. We don't know the reason why,
But how do.
Speaker 4: You feel I don't know the reason why?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I I feel okay. I think they
would set up a really hype and exciting kind of
moment if she was to come back in the third one,
and they just kind of like, hell they don't.
Speaker 4: They keep it subtle.
Speaker 5: You don't see it coming, and it's just like full
suit Robbie, Yeah, whole suit. Robbie p is getting the
shit kicked out of him, shotgunder the head bound on
Robbie mask and by Robbie g and who comes in
the same of the day is Catlman Zoe Kravitz. I
don't know, maybe they'll bring in like Lenny Kravitz in
here or something like that.
Speaker 1: Hey, Lenny's the fucking man. He's great. He should he's
great in the Hunger Games Man. He can play doctor
arc But uh uh, that could be huge. That could
be huge as far as if you if we get
a third bringing her bringing her back. But then also
I'm like, I think we all kind of think that
that's when Barry's joker would probably be like the main Batty, right,
So it's like you bring Kravitz back and you get
and don't forget this hands you herowe me a pizza.
Fucking Barry is gonna be adopting Berry. He's gonna be
coming off those Beatles movies, so he's gonna be like
his stock will be Yeah, he's playing ring. Yeah, he
could be a fucking Oscar winner by the time we
get to Batman three. So it's like that could be huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually not be like that could be a thing.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think too expensive. No, I think as
a cast I'm already and I guess every African bullshit
and whatnot. But I remember when they shared that deleted scene.
He wasn't just like here's my scene. He had like
a fucking bible, like the Joker means a lot to
me and this is my version. So I and I
just feel like I feel like Reeves likes to go
for people like a pass and who was a fan
of back, Like I think for those bigger roles of
kind of you got to be locked in because like
even Barry, like he had to put all the all
the makeup for what two scenes.
Speaker 5: Would have done cast him as another role before Whereves
can get to him for Batman three.
Speaker 2: Well, if they already signed a contract that he's a
part of that project.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but remember the contract in front of that.
Speaker 1: This is my show, Jennifer rip out the contract, Jennifer
John Yeah. Remember though, when they were doing Sergeant Rock
and it felt it but remember Colin Farrell was rumored
to be in that and that was a DC movie, right,
So I think Barry would either pass or they would
make it work. I think there's a lot of loyalty there,
So I don't think. I hope it just works out
with the two of them, you know, So the two
of who Gun and Reeves like the act very nice
in public, and I hope that would be the best
way to go about it, right, Like I I have
to believe it when a couple of months ago, and
it could just be bullshit, right, But it's like a
couple of months ago when an interviewer asked, like, who
what's director you don't most want to direct a DCU movie?
He said Matt Reeves, And like I said, oh, what
do you mean. He's like, well, he's directed these, but
like I'd like him to do something in DCU. Maybe
he is just trying to polish the knob, right, but
I would like to think it would be better that way.
And plus, like they've always said it's a trilogy, so
it's like, finish this up. I've said this before. I
think we've talked about this. I still feel like you
could not even do like the James Gun Batman for
like another five to six years, Like you just started Koran,
So there's so many other characters who can do before
you get to Batman. Like, yeah, people might hate me
saying this. I think you do a Justice League without
Batman and then like bring him in for number two
or something, the same thing as X Men. I feel
like you could do an X Men without Wolverine. I
feel like, as long as that's script and the casting
is good enough, you can do that, right, And everyone
seems to love Quorn Sweat, so it's like hopefully if
you cast Wonder Woman well and Flash well, then it's
like it's an even bigger event than it's like, Oh,
you already love the Justice League and here comes fucking Batman,
you know, instead of like we got to get a
Batman out because it's doesn't fit in our plans or
does fit our plans, you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, even in like the Justice League that we've
seen already, they didn't have all the head haunchos in
that movie, right, Like weren't they already missing key members
that you could just replace?
Speaker 1: Superman was dead even like I know he comes back
to the end that movie, but like he wasn't on
any of the posters or anything like that, right, So
we were doing a Justic movie without Superman. We all
knew he was coming back, but you know, Mustache andal
fucking mustache and all, Okay, have we said anything we
need to say? There? Anything else Batman two or late
or anything. It's fun getting news though, right, Like it's
a good time We've been talking about this since twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to see that movie already, like this year
ago or something. No, this year, it was October this
October of this yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then October next year. But you know what it.
Speaker 2: Should have been, should have been playing GTA already, should
have been. I feel like Avatar got pushed back. We
watched soon, way later than we had to.
Speaker 4: But that's okay.
Speaker 2: In due time, people, as long as we live that
long to see.
Speaker 1: Let's see Matt, he says, or Matt Say says reason Gunner.
I don't think there's anything too bad between them. I
don't think so either, but like they're just, I don't know,
similar to each other.
Speaker 2: And uh Pete Gilmore go to sleep.
Speaker 1: But you sleep. You know. It's just like Matt, I
don't think you're wrong, like I think you're right. By
the end of the day, it's like we know nothing because,
like you know, we just don't know these lies. One
day we get a report where it's like again they
fucking hate each other, X, Y and Z but exciting times.
I'm happy with BANDA news. One day we'll get to
watch the Swoon play GTA. Hell yeah, that'll be great
and everything, but let's take a break. We'll talk about
something that I don't know if it's great. I don't
know if it is. Uh, well, we'll get into it.
So we'll be right back and we're back. Well, good thing, lazier, gentlemen.
You know, me and Taylor been going to the gym,
you know, getting the rounds whatnot. So that's why you know,
next couple months, pecially TAM's about to have a baby,
won't be going to the gym as much. So it's okay,
get our time. And so that's why we started the
castle earlier. Worked out for everybody because we knew this
was gonna be a long juice and newscast. Well, we're
still going to the gym, but this newscast is getting juicier,
it's getting longer. I have no good drop. What the
hell is this stuff? I just want to drop. We
haven't done it in a while, so