WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:15.039 Uh, what's up you guys. 2 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:20.719 It's me Cecily here with Stephanie for you know, talking stuff, 3 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:23.839 talking things in the news, like stuff's going down. 4 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:25.440 You got it, you know. 5 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:30.239 I if I sound some some type of way, I 6 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:35.880 just I My child is now a college student. He's 7 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.320 not here with me. He's away, like an hour away, 8 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.039 and like that's that's not right. I mean, I know 9 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:44.280 it's the order of things, that's how it's supposed to go. 10 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:51.159 But you know whatever, you know what, I'm fine whatever, he's. 11 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.000 Doing great, she's handling it. She's on top of it. 12 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.280 I don't want to compare, you know, traumas, but my 13 00:00:57.399 --> 00:00:58.799 Instacart delivery never came. 14 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:01.399 So like, listen, we're all where we are. 15 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.719 You know, we are all where we are, and some 16 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.319 you know, it's not a competition, and I don't feel 17 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:10.159 like it's a competition, So I'm not gonna. 18 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:10.599 I can't. 19 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:13.439 I couldn't compete with that anyway. That's hard. You're hungry. 20 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:17.599 I'm so hungry, and I'm sad. But you're hungry, do 21 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:18.159 you know what I mean? 22 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:22.359 And I'm also sad. But I started a therapy session today. 23 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:24.400 I was telling Stephanie a new therapist who I really like. 24 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.159 So let's see how this goes. I really like her. 25 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:26.920 Where you find her? 26 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.159 Arted with me online and I started with me crying 27 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.519 like I was already. I was trying to call instacart 28 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:35.040 and I was just sobbing, and so she I forgot. 29 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:37.000 She was on hold, you know, for it to start, 30 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.120 the session to start. I was in the waiting room, 31 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.040 and then she just popped up and she's. 32 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.280 Like, what's going on? Oh, oh that's right. 33 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.560 I guess if you're going to be crying on a zoom, 34 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.319 might as well be your therapist. 35 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:48.879 Yeah. 36 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:50.840 I like her. 37 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.000 She's got that like, you know, cool, the thing I've 38 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.879 always been searching for. And it's like Diane Keaton vibe. 39 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.200 Oh really, yes, I've been I hope she didn't listen 40 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:01.879 to this. I hope it's okay to see she is? 41 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:02.400 She old? 42 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:03.120 Is she older? 43 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:03.799 A little older? 44 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:04.599 But we don't like that. 45 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:06.599 But thing, right, are we allowed? I don't know how 46 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:07.159 much we're. 47 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:09.520 You know, you're not saying her name. What why can't 48 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:11.280 you talk about You can talk about your own therapist. 49 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:14.560 She's rad, she's new, but that's not what we're It's 50 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:17.840 kind of an interesting segue into what we are talking about, 51 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:20.879 which we have a lot on I I don't want 52 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:22.800 to make you guys wait, especially since you've seen the 53 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:27.840 title of this episode. Yeah, we're talking about Hayden, y'all, 54 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.199 and we got a lot of stuff to get through. 55 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:35.240 We really do. It's just there's a lot to this story. 56 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.639 It's let's just start by saying that we are going 57 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.639 to be very sensitive. It's heartbreaking anytime somebody dies. She's 58 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:46.520 only thirty six years old, a baby. 59 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.240 Shocking to me because she's been around for so long. 60 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.240 She was a child actress. So didn't you kind of 61 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.479 think she was fifty, Not that she looks fifty. She's 62 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:59.879 absolutely gorgeous. Not that fifty also isn't gorgeous. God, I'm 63 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.520 really you can be she's she was beautifully stunning, which 64 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:05.719 I don't think I ever noticed. 65 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:08.280 And so she was definitely too old for Brad Pitt. 66 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.400 But yeah, or she was old, Yes, too old for 67 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:12.879 most guys in their fifties and sixties. 68 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:14.319 But I thought she was fifty. 69 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.599 I thought she was fifty with just really good work, 70 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:19.960 Like it never occurred to me that she was this young. Yeah, 71 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.439 but she started so young that we've known her in 72 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.520 our lives as an actress for so long, but that 73 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:27.919 was that was so jarring. 74 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:31.240 Thirty six, that's so young, and I. 75 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:33.080 Don't know if a lot of people knew. 76 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:35.680 You know, listen, we're not telling you anything right now 77 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.199 that you didn't know. We will be telling you a 78 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:40.680 few things you didn't know, probably because you know why. 79 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:44.240 We're like, and, uh, what do you call it? 80 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.800 When it's like Huffington Poe is where you get a 81 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.840 bunch of different information from different sources and then you tell. 82 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.319 People like I know this word because I have to 83 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:54.960 use it. We're oh called like and it starts with 84 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:59.199 an a. It starts with an A. Yeah, shit, I 85 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:01.159 can look it up, but if I change anything on 86 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:03.919 my computer, it will shut down if I look. 87 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:05.680 We'll think we'll. 88 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.719 Think of it at some point, but yeah, it's like 89 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:09.159 it's like we're all of us. 90 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.120 Yes, we're like that. We don't do our. 91 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.199 Own reporting, but we're going to bring you other people's reporting. 92 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.240 And a lot of it is like whoa, I did 93 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:21.800 not know that. But one thing that we aggregate aggregate, yeah, aggregate. 94 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:22.160 Yeah. 95 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.040 Okay, So let me just say that a lot of 96 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.839 us knew her like way back, but Also, I loved Nashville. 97 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:30.600 I watched that. Did you watch Nashville? 98 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.399 Yes, I did. I watched a lot of seasons of Nashville. 99 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:34.480 She was really good. 100 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:37.639 And let's just discuss really quick the fact that, like 101 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.399 she it seems like she was kind of playing herself. 102 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.000 Oh, totally. She was very a spitfire. I'm going to 103 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.680 tell you guys a couple things. Oh there's so many 104 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.639 like branches we're going to go off. But a reminder 105 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:52.399 that I didn't meet her. I just want to tell 106 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.199 you that because I have talked about it on the show. 107 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:56.560 It didn't go great. She remember we did talk about that. 108 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:01.000 But remind me we were at the crit Choice Awards. 109 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.759 This must have been like ten years ago. I'm not 110 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.759 good with time, but probably within the last ten years. 111 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:10.240 And I there's like a little it's hard to explain, 112 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:12.639 but where your tables are, there's you know, behind the 113 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.480 curtains of what you're seeing on TV, there's just a 114 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.759 bunch of wires and cameras and people are just falling 115 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:19.720 all over their It's not very well put together. 116 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:22.319 And I was going to the bathrooms. 117 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:23.680 Are in porta potties, so it was on my way 118 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.199 backstage to go find the bathroom and you have to 119 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:29.160 go down a ladder like in these heels. 120 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:30.480 It was just so crazy. 121 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.959 Anyway, she was there and I don't remember what shows 122 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.000 at the time. It wasn't Heroes. It might have been Nashville, 123 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:40.360 but I don't know. She had been nominated or something, 124 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:43.319 and she was there and somebody she was trying to 125 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.240 take a picture, but she was having a hard time, 126 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:49.240 like holding the camera phone the iPhone up take a picture. 127 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.160 So I walked by and I was like, hey, you guys, 128 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:52.920 do you want me to take the picture? And she 129 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:56.000 didn't say anything, so I said it again. I was like, hey, 130 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:57.560 can I do you want me to take the picture? 131 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:03.399 And she's like I heard you. I was very jarred 132 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.839 by that moment and was like fuck, like so much 133 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:08.079 so that I went back to the table. 134 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.319 I told everyone at the table, I was like, kind 135 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:10.959 of pissed off. 136 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.439 I kind of ruined the five minutes for me, and 137 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.439 then I bounced right back that is only a two 138 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:18.319 minute experience with her. 139 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.199 She is obviously more than a two minute experience. 140 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:23.879 You know, like a lot of people loved and were 141 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:25.959 loved by her, and obviously we're going to get into 142 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:27.720 that too, but I did. I do have to say 143 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:29.839 it was not pleasant, and I'd heard these kind of 144 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.160 things about her, and it might. 145 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.040 Track based on some of the other stuff we know 146 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:35.120 that she was going through. 147 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:40.160 Doesn't excuse being rude like that, but you know, well, 148 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.920 what we do know for sure is that she absolutely 149 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.120 struggled mightily with addiction. 150 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.800 She was you know, I was saying to Cecily before. 151 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:52.040 I mean, it reminds me a little bit of like 152 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.759 Matt Perry. It's like everybody kind of knew she was 153 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:57.720 a mess and she you know, they'd been I think 154 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:02.240 they'd done interventions and stuff, but like just because people 155 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:06.519 are open about stuff. And she had written a memoir 156 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.959 about her life recently, yes, and like had been promoting it, 157 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.199 and she did discuss opioid addiction and you know, her 158 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.759 addiction issues. But like nobody is safe. You know, once 159 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.319 an addict, you're kind of this is the thing. It's like, 160 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.759 this is why people talk about addictions so much, because 161 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:29.360 you just don't don't ever, You're never over it. Like 162 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.839 nobody an addiction says like, yeah, I had a you know, 163 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:35.319 I'm all fine now, I'm all recovered. It's like you're 164 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.360 always having to be on the lookout. And some people 165 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:42.399 struggle harder than others, and some people have what they 166 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:46.399 call a dual diagnosis, which is like you also have trauma, 167 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.600 mental illness, you know, other stuff going on that it 168 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.600 can due to maybe medications that you're on for your 169 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:57.360 mental health can also exacerbate like addiction issues. 170 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.519 Absolutely, I think it's a little different than Matt Perry because. 171 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.879 The odd thing about that, what was so shocking about that, 172 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.839 is that he kind of continued working. He never like 173 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.720 he had friends, you know, I mean the show Friends, 174 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:13.120 which was obviously like the biggest show ever and so like, 175 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.959 and he kept doing movies like he was like he 176 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:20.360 was a movie star, whereas you know, even up until 177 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.079 pretty close to the end, not exactly, but pretty close, 178 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.920 whereas Hayden really whatever was going on there. I do 179 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.560 believe sometimes you can have addiction but also have a 180 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:33.720 certain personality that doesn't gel well with people that are 181 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.919 trying to hire you. Matt, I believe was probably very 182 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.279 like like he was more like the lovable clown that 183 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.519 made a joke to hide whatever pain that he. 184 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:44.759 Was in, do you know what I mean? 185 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:47.200 So, I mean, you can still have a personality that 186 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.919 doesn't gel with a lot of people, because you know, 187 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:51.799 that is. 188 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:56.480 True, but I also think that women get thought of 189 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.440 as difficult a lot easier than men. I think it's 190 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:03.360 definitely more socially acceptable to be a guy who's got addiction, 191 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:06.240 and then it's like, oh, you're you're the party guy, 192 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.840 even if they're killing like the fun guys and women 193 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.360 are a mess, like women are like, oh god, she's 194 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:13.200 she's a trainer. 195 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:14.600 You're so right. 196 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.039 Because to make that point, it wasn't just her, you know, 197 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.919 her being a certain way, but also she was according 198 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.159 to Reddit and some people that I know, that may 199 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.759 have worked, you know, some people enjoyed her, but like 200 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:27.159 she was late. She wouldn't you know, she was late 201 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.360 to hear and makeup she was. It was a lot 202 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:33.480 of things whereas, uh, you know, I mean that you 203 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.200 can't do. But you're so right, because look, Charlie sheen 204 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:38.679 fucking did it. I let it go on and on 205 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.000 and on and kept upping his Not only was he 206 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.120 not fired until the very last minute, until he like 207 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.840 basically threatened to kill somebody. That's what it took for 208 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:49.799 them to be like, all right, well, we're just gonna 209 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:52.960 have Ashton for sure do it instead. I mean, like 210 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.120 whatever happened there, but he did that all the time, 211 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.159 so you're right, like it's yeah, it does seem to 212 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.159 be a female thing. But I just want to point 213 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.440 out that that is a thing that can still be 214 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:09.080 true whether someone's suffering from whatever reason. And that was 215 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.799 the case for her, which it's important I think because 216 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:14.559 of this this brand deal that she lost. But we're 217 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:19.879 going to get into that later. So okay, so she 218 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.200 just written go ahead, book, We'll go ahead. 219 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.120 What were you going to say? I was gonna say, 220 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.360 should we start at like what happened? 221 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:28.559 Yeah? 222 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:30.559 So as you got well, they know this, so we'll 223 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:34.720 just remind you that, you know, she just died this week? 224 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:35.639 Was it Sunday? 225 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:40.080 I think that like, yeah, yeah, Sunday evening. This is 226 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:44.279 kind of interesting as someone who she was really struggling 227 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:46.759 with addiction on and off and wrote about it and 228 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.519 really tried to be like very raw and open about it. 229 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:51.960 But she had been talking and this is in like 230 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:54.200 all the news reports, so this isn't just read it. 231 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:57.519 She had been talking about very bad back pain that 232 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:02.000 she had like severe Oh yeah, yeah, from from a 233 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.519 set from like something from maybe working, like falling or 234 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:06.960 something like something had happened. 235 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.639 She had nerve damage, it was saying. 236 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.039 Throughout the years she'd been talking about that, So it 237 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:16.039 wasn't like one hundred percent shot, you know, like this 238 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:19.679 is this kind of reminds me of Prince. It's different 239 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.200 because Prince was so sort of like openly anti drugs 240 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.600 until he like kind of like threw his hip out, remember, 241 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:30.519 and he was just in such excruciating pain. That is 242 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.480 such a lesson that it can absolutely happen to anyone, 243 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:34.679 whether they're an addict or not. 244 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.840 I mean, I've watched a lot of like TV shows 245 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:43.120 about you know, about like the opioid epidemic and the 246 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.480 funanall and that's what I yeah, and the fentanyl, and 247 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:48.320 it really is, like, I mean. 248 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:51.320 It's so gross how it gets it can happen to us. 249 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.799 Let's say, God forbid, something terrible happened, even though you 250 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:57.480 don't you you are you know you don't take that 251 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:00.320 stuff and I don't take it very often. But say 252 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:02.279 something happened, you'r release severe pain and you have to 253 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:05.279 see something. But then your doctor isn't giving you enough 254 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.360 because the pain is getting worse and worse, and you'll 255 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.600 do anything to make the pain stop. Then you go 256 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:12.679 get a pill. You're like, oh, my friend knows a guy, 257 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:14.519 and I'll just get this like one extra pill and 258 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:15.360 I'll be fine. 259 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:17.039 And then these pills are just like they have a 260 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:19.519 fucking fentanel and then which is beyond my d We 261 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.240 don't know if that's what happened with Hayden yet, but 262 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:27.600 I mean possibly, yeah, right, Like I mean, it's very possible. 263 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:29.559 And that's the thing, like, I don't know how to 264 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.759 fix this anymore, Like this is this is crazy, but 265 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:33.559 there's other things. 266 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:35.639 But if it was totally up to you, but if 267 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:37.519 you're like I just I mean, I don't know. I've 268 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:40.080 tried for so many years to like solve this issue. 269 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.240 And I mean doctor Clouci and I were like, oh, 270 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.120 you know, we were kind of tag teaming. There's a 271 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:46.720 lot we were I'm trying to do, but I just 272 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:47.480 don't know anymore. 273 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:47.919 I don't know. 274 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:51.360 Here's the CNN guy they always have on his doctor Fouchi, 275 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:53.440 but the other guy that always talks about opioid addiction. 276 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:54.159 Oh, I don't know. 277 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:55.799 He's a cool guy. He's a good guy. 278 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:56.360 We like him. 279 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:59.360 But they always have him on. But yeah, it is 280 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:01.879 up to me, and I'm failing you, guys. I'm sorry. 281 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:04.000 But here's the other thing I want to say really quick. 282 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.879 So she was found unresponsive by a medical team. They 283 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:10.080 did find narcon there, which is that is important, right, 284 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:13.080 which is the thing you give if you have an overdose. 285 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:14.399 Huh. 286 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:15.240 They found it there. 287 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:16.879 They don't know if that was given to her or 288 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.360 the fucking boyfriend, which we'll get into. But I do 289 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:23.559 want to also say this. Her brother, who she was 290 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.480 very close to, died just a few years ago, and 291 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:27.440 he had the thing. 292 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.639 That I have. Every time someone dies of that, I 293 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:33.039 kind of lose my mind a little bit. No, No, 294 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:34.200 I saw that. 295 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:37.559 I thought of you. That the aortic dissection, right, the. 296 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.399 Aartic dissection, the enlarged heart, which is an aneurysm, which 297 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:42.159 I had if untreated. 298 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:43.879 I caught mine if untreated. 299 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.080 And the scary thing is that I'll always struggle with 300 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.279 heart stuff most likely, you know, always. I have to 301 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.159 get checked every six months, and it's scary when I 302 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:55.919 hear it happen. We're all going to die from something. 303 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.360 But he was also very young and had the enlarged heart. 304 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:00.440 And I don't know how tall he was, but it's 305 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.919 something did you know that happens often for us shorties, 306 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:09.960 really tall people so specifically tall like like a link, 307 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.679 you know, like people with like gigantism and people that 308 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:15.039 are short. And Hayden was just I think about two 309 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.519 inches shorter than me. And so that might be a 310 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.519 thing that ran in their family. So she probably she 311 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.879 might have not probably she might have had heart issues 312 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:27.240 mixed with maybe a drug that just didn't quite take 313 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:28.279 that day and. 314 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:33.200 Could be well, I will cardiac, I will say that. 315 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.440 And this is just this is just something that I 316 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.720 know from my experience with addicts and addiction. 317 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.360 But what a main reason that people relapse is pills. 318 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.639 So like most people, even if they're alcoholics, don't don't 319 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.679 relapse on just they just don't have a drink. They 320 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.440 have they take a medication and they have a back surgery. 321 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:56.159 Just I just wanted to add that to what you 322 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.159 were saying. It's just very very true. It's that's the 323 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:02.279 easiest way to s sloped back into right, and just 324 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:05.600 being open to it doesn't doesn't prevent it from happening. 325 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.240 It's like it's just so easy to do it's so 326 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:10.519 easy to get back into it. 327 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:12.200 And then if you haven't done it in. 328 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.000 A while, like you might not even be partying, you 329 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.279 might just be, yeah, taking medication to get out of pain, 330 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.519 and you take too much, and like you said, shit happens. 331 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.399 Well, Okay, So it says on Yahoo. I hate that 332 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.240 it's Yahoo Entertainment, but it says that she'd reportedly been 333 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:29.600 dealing with severe back pain nerve damage throughout the year. 334 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.519 In one of her last interviews, she opened up about 335 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.320 fears that her condition it was so bad to leave 336 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.120 her paralyzed, describing the experience as the scariest physical ordeal 337 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.360 she has ever faced. Oh Gow, she was seen struggling 338 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.919 with her mobility. I remember seeing that a couple of times. 339 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:47.159 I just kind of figured like she was just, you know, 340 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:51.320 on something. But I think she was in pain this mobility. 341 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:53.759 Several times in the months leading up to her death, 342 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:59.440 she was photographed using crutches. Remember that at Lax in March. Yeah, 343 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.399 a couple so she so then she at that time 344 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:04.879 she was accompanied by her on and off again boyfriend 345 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:09.039 Brian Hickerson, and she appeared to be having difficulty walking. 346 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.879 When asked about the crutches. She said she had been 347 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.279 dealing with really severe nerve damage in her lower back. 348 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:19.919 She had been receiving assistance at the time. It does 349 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.559 it while she was leaving the CBS studios, and she 350 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:25.919 had been promoting her memoir, which is called This is 351 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.279 Me A Reckoning I will definitely read. So, I mean, 352 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.480 this woman was just going through it. So where do 353 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:34.279 we go from here? Do we talk about the boyfriend? 354 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.480 I was going to say, I think that's the natural 355 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.480 thing is to talk about the boyfriend. So she had 356 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.320 this inredibly abusive. 357 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.320 Boyfriend, like, yell, let me he was up heems too. 358 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.440 Before him, she had the husband who also was who 359 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.879 was the father of her child. That was the fighter 360 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.039 or something? Right? 361 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:52.919 Remember that? 362 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:53.039 No? 363 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:54.159 Do now? 364 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.000 I this is terrible because we're doing a show about this. 365 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.960 But was he legitimately supposed to be because I don't 366 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.000 was he abusive or was he just she gave up 367 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:05.359 custody of her kid to him? 368 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:06.880 Yeah it wasn't. 369 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.559 But wasn't he maybe like wanting custody because she was 370 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.119 an addict? 371 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.400 Oh? Very possible. So she they were never legally married. 372 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:19.519 I just okay, but let me find that it just 373 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.359 took me to wiki, so let me go to her 374 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.559 personal life. Okay, she Oh first, Oh my god, I 375 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:26.400 can't believe I forgot to tell you this. I don't 376 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:28.400 know if you saw this, but do you remember that 377 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.039 guy Milo what's his name from This is Us? 378 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:32.039 Yes? 379 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.920 Yes, yeah, they dated when she was on Heroes like 380 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.279 he was also in Heroes. Okay, and I believe Okay, 381 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.720 she was eighteen and she was eighteen and he was thirty. 382 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:46.599 Let's sit with that for a second. 383 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.160 And I I people got mad at me because I 384 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.720 got a really creepy, icky vibe from him from the show. 385 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:53.359 Even though I love the show. I'm like, I love 386 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:56.839 everything except this main character. I cannot stand him, and 387 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:58.880 I'm just kind of grossed out. Now we've made that 388 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:00.920 clear that we don't love a thirty year old dating 389 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:01.680 an eighteen year old. 390 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:03.359 No, we don't, And I'm going to tell you why. 391 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:05.759 Like not to make this about me, but sorry, guys, 392 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.720 I have an eighteen year old daughter and I have 393 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:10.440 a twenty one year old daughter, and it would be 394 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:12.599 too fucking old for my twenty one year old daughter, 395 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.680 let alone my eighteen year old daughter is a fucking child. 396 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:18.200 That's crazy, that's gross. 397 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:19.079 So they broke. 398 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.759 They dated for like a two years about and then 399 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.160 very quickly she met So at this point she is 400 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:28.559 now twenty years old. Oh my god, she's so young. 401 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:30.240