Speaker 1: Uh, what's up you guys.
Speaker 2: It's me Cecily here with Stephanie for you know, talking stuff,
Speaker 2: talking things in the news, like stuff's going down.
Speaker 3: You got it, you know.
Speaker 4: I if I sound some some type of way, I
Speaker 4: just I My child is now a college student. He's
Speaker 4: not here with me. He's away, like an hour away,
Speaker 4: and like that's that's not right. I mean, I know
Speaker 4: it's the order of things, that's how it's supposed to go.
Speaker 4: But you know whatever, you know what, I'm fine whatever, he's.
Speaker 3: Doing great, she's handling it. She's on top of it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to compare, you know, traumas, but my
Speaker 2: Instacart delivery never came.
Speaker 3: So like, listen, we're all where we are.
Speaker 4: You know, we are all where we are, and some
Speaker 4: you know, it's not a competition, and I don't feel
Speaker 4: like it's a competition, So I'm not gonna.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't compete with that anyway. That's hard. You're hungry.
Speaker 4: I'm so hungry, and I'm sad. But you're hungry, do
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I'm also sad. But I started a therapy session today.
Speaker 2: I was telling Stephanie a new therapist who I really like.
Speaker 2: So let's see how this goes. I really like her.
Speaker 5: Where you find her?
Speaker 2: Arted with me online and I started with me crying
Speaker 2: like I was already. I was trying to call instacart
Speaker 2: and I was just sobbing, and so she I forgot.
Speaker 2: She was on hold, you know, for it to start,
Speaker 2: the session to start. I was in the waiting room,
Speaker 2: and then she just popped up and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, what's going on? Oh, oh that's right.
Speaker 2: I guess if you're going to be crying on a zoom,
Speaker 2: might as well be your therapist.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like her.
Speaker 2: She's got that like, you know, cool, the thing I've
Speaker 2: always been searching for. And it's like Diane Keaton vibe.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yes, I've been I hope she didn't listen
Speaker 2: to this. I hope it's okay to see she is?
Speaker 2: She old?
Speaker 5: Is she older?
Speaker 3: A little older?
Speaker 5: But we don't like that.
Speaker 3: But thing, right, are we allowed? I don't know how
Speaker 3: much we're.
Speaker 4: You know, you're not saying her name. What why can't
Speaker 4: you talk about You can talk about your own therapist.
Speaker 2: She's rad, she's new, but that's not what we're It's
Speaker 2: kind of an interesting segue into what we are talking about,
Speaker 2: which we have a lot on I I don't want
Speaker 2: to make you guys wait, especially since you've seen the
Speaker 2: title of this episode. Yeah, we're talking about Hayden, y'all,
Speaker 2: and we got a lot of stuff to get through.
Speaker 5: We really do. It's just there's a lot to this story.
Speaker 4: It's let's just start by saying that we are going
Speaker 4: to be very sensitive. It's heartbreaking anytime somebody dies. She's
Speaker 4: only thirty six years old, a baby.
Speaker 2: Shocking to me because she's been around for so long.
Speaker 2: She was a child actress. So didn't you kind of
Speaker 2: think she was fifty, Not that she looks fifty. She's
Speaker 2: absolutely gorgeous. Not that fifty also isn't gorgeous. God, I'm
Speaker 2: really you can be she's she was beautifully stunning, which
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever noticed.
Speaker 5: And so she was definitely too old for Brad Pitt.
Speaker 2: But yeah, or she was old, Yes, too old for
Speaker 2: most guys in their fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3: But I thought she was fifty.
Speaker 2: I thought she was fifty with just really good work,
Speaker 2: Like it never occurred to me that she was this young. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but she started so young that we've known her in
Speaker 2: our lives as an actress for so long, but that
Speaker 2: was that was so jarring.
Speaker 3: Thirty six, that's so young, and I.
Speaker 5: Don't know if a lot of people knew.
Speaker 4: You know, listen, we're not telling you anything right now
Speaker 4: that you didn't know. We will be telling you a
Speaker 4: few things you didn't know, probably because you know why.
Speaker 5: We're like, and, uh, what do you call it?
Speaker 4: When it's like Huffington Poe is where you get a
Speaker 4: bunch of different information from different sources and then you tell.
Speaker 2: People like I know this word because I have to
Speaker 2: use it. We're oh called like and it starts with
Speaker 2: an a. It starts with an A. Yeah, shit, I
Speaker 2: can look it up, but if I change anything on
Speaker 2: my computer, it will shut down if I look.
Speaker 5: We'll think we'll.
Speaker 4: Think of it at some point, but yeah, it's like
Speaker 4: it's like we're all of us.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're like that. We don't do our.
Speaker 4: Own reporting, but we're going to bring you other people's reporting.
Speaker 4: And a lot of it is like whoa, I did
Speaker 4: not know that. But one thing that we aggregate aggregate, yeah, aggregate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me just say that a lot of
Speaker 2: us knew her like way back, but Also, I loved Nashville.
Speaker 3: I watched that. Did you watch Nashville?
Speaker 5: Yes, I did. I watched a lot of seasons of Nashville.
Speaker 5: She was really good.
Speaker 4: And let's just discuss really quick the fact that, like
Speaker 4: she it seems like she was kind of playing herself.
Speaker 2: Oh, totally. She was very a spitfire. I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you guys a couple things. Oh there's so many
Speaker 2: like branches we're going to go off. But a reminder
Speaker 2: that I didn't meet her. I just want to tell
Speaker 2: you that because I have talked about it on the show.
Speaker 2: It didn't go great. She remember we did talk about that.
Speaker 2: But remind me we were at the crit Choice Awards.
Speaker 2: This must have been like ten years ago. I'm not
Speaker 2: good with time, but probably within the last ten years.
Speaker 2: And I there's like a little it's hard to explain,
Speaker 2: but where your tables are, there's you know, behind the
Speaker 2: curtains of what you're seeing on TV, there's just a
Speaker 2: bunch of wires and cameras and people are just falling
Speaker 2: all over their It's not very well put together.
Speaker 3: And I was going to the bathrooms.
Speaker 2: Are in porta potties, so it was on my way
Speaker 2: backstage to go find the bathroom and you have to
Speaker 2: go down a ladder like in these heels.
Speaker 3: It was just so crazy.
Speaker 2: Anyway, she was there and I don't remember what shows
Speaker 2: at the time. It wasn't Heroes. It might have been Nashville,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. She had been nominated or something,
Speaker 2: and she was there and somebody she was trying to
Speaker 2: take a picture, but she was having a hard time,
Speaker 2: like holding the camera phone the iPhone up take a picture.
Speaker 2: So I walked by and I was like, hey, you guys,
Speaker 2: do you want me to take the picture? And she
Speaker 2: didn't say anything, so I said it again. I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: can I do you want me to take the picture?
Speaker 2: And she's like I heard you. I was very jarred
Speaker 2: by that moment and was like fuck, like so much
Speaker 2: so that I went back to the table.
Speaker 3: I told everyone at the table, I was like, kind
Speaker 3: of pissed off.
Speaker 2: I kind of ruined the five minutes for me, and
Speaker 2: then I bounced right back that is only a two
Speaker 2: minute experience with her.
Speaker 3: She is obviously more than a two minute experience.
Speaker 2: You know, like a lot of people loved and were
Speaker 2: loved by her, and obviously we're going to get into
Speaker 2: that too, but I did. I do have to say
Speaker 2: it was not pleasant, and I'd heard these kind of
Speaker 2: things about her, and it might.
Speaker 3: Track based on some of the other stuff we know
Speaker 3: that she was going through.
Speaker 2: Doesn't excuse being rude like that, but you know, well,
Speaker 2: what we do know for sure is that she absolutely
Speaker 2: struggled mightily with addiction.
Speaker 4: She was you know, I was saying to Cecily before.
Speaker 4: I mean, it reminds me a little bit of like
Speaker 4: Matt Perry. It's like everybody kind of knew she was
Speaker 4: a mess and she you know, they'd been I think
Speaker 4: they'd done interventions and stuff, but like just because people
Speaker 4: are open about stuff. And she had written a memoir
Speaker 4: about her life recently, yes, and like had been promoting it,
Speaker 4: and she did discuss opioid addiction and you know, her
Speaker 4: addiction issues. But like nobody is safe. You know, once
Speaker 4: an addict, you're kind of this is the thing. It's like,
Speaker 4: this is why people talk about addictions so much, because
Speaker 4: you just don't don't ever, You're never over it. Like
Speaker 4: nobody an addiction says like, yeah, I had a you know,
Speaker 4: I'm all fine now, I'm all recovered. It's like you're
Speaker 4: always having to be on the lookout. And some people
Speaker 4: struggle harder than others, and some people have what they
Speaker 4: call a dual diagnosis, which is like you also have trauma,
Speaker 4: mental illness, you know, other stuff going on that it
Speaker 4: can due to maybe medications that you're on for your
Speaker 4: mental health can also exacerbate like addiction issues.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it's a little different than Matt Perry because.
Speaker 2: The odd thing about that, what was so shocking about that,
Speaker 2: is that he kind of continued working. He never like
Speaker 2: he had friends, you know, I mean the show Friends,
Speaker 2: which was obviously like the biggest show ever and so like,
Speaker 2: and he kept doing movies like he was like he
Speaker 2: was a movie star, whereas you know, even up until
Speaker 2: pretty close to the end, not exactly, but pretty close,
Speaker 2: whereas Hayden really whatever was going on there. I do
Speaker 2: believe sometimes you can have addiction but also have a
Speaker 2: certain personality that doesn't gel well with people that are
Speaker 2: trying to hire you. Matt, I believe was probably very
Speaker 2: like like he was more like the lovable clown that
Speaker 2: made a joke to hide whatever pain that he.
Speaker 3: Was in, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So, I mean, you can still have a personality that
Speaker 2: doesn't gel with a lot of people, because you know,
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 4: True, but I also think that women get thought of
Speaker 4: as difficult a lot easier than men. I think it's
Speaker 4: definitely more socially acceptable to be a guy who's got addiction,
Speaker 4: and then it's like, oh, you're you're the party guy,
Speaker 4: even if they're killing like the fun guys and women
Speaker 4: are a mess, like women are like, oh god, she's
Speaker 4: she's a trainer.
Speaker 3: You're so right.
Speaker 2: Because to make that point, it wasn't just her, you know,
Speaker 2: her being a certain way, but also she was according
Speaker 2: to Reddit and some people that I know, that may
Speaker 2: have worked, you know, some people enjoyed her, but like
Speaker 2: she was late. She wouldn't you know, she was late
Speaker 2: to hear and makeup she was. It was a lot
Speaker 2: of things whereas, uh, you know, I mean that you
Speaker 2: can't do. But you're so right, because look, Charlie sheen
Speaker 2: fucking did it. I let it go on and on
Speaker 2: and on and kept upping his Not only was he
Speaker 2: not fired until the very last minute, until he like
Speaker 2: basically threatened to kill somebody. That's what it took for
Speaker 2: them to be like, all right, well, we're just gonna
Speaker 2: have Ashton for sure do it instead. I mean, like
Speaker 2: whatever happened there, but he did that all the time,
Speaker 2: so you're right, like it's yeah, it does seem to
Speaker 2: be a female thing. But I just want to point
Speaker 2: out that that is a thing that can still be
Speaker 2: true whether someone's suffering from whatever reason. And that was
Speaker 2: the case for her, which it's important I think because
Speaker 2: of this this brand deal that she lost. But we're
Speaker 2: going to get into that later. So okay, so she
Speaker 2: just written go ahead, book, We'll go ahead.
Speaker 3: What were you going to say? I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: should we start at like what happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So as you got well, they know this, so we'll
Speaker 2: just remind you that, you know, she just died this week?
Speaker 3: Was it Sunday?
Speaker 2: I think that like, yeah, yeah, Sunday evening. This is
Speaker 2: kind of interesting as someone who she was really struggling
Speaker 2: with addiction on and off and wrote about it and
Speaker 2: really tried to be like very raw and open about it.
Speaker 2: But she had been talking and this is in like
Speaker 2: all the news reports, so this isn't just read it.
Speaker 2: She had been talking about very bad back pain that
Speaker 2: she had like severe Oh yeah, yeah, from from a
Speaker 2: set from like something from maybe working, like falling or
Speaker 2: something like something had happened.
Speaker 3: She had nerve damage, it was saying.
Speaker 2: Throughout the years she'd been talking about that, So it
Speaker 2: wasn't like one hundred percent shot, you know, like this
Speaker 2: is this kind of reminds me of Prince. It's different
Speaker 2: because Prince was so sort of like openly anti drugs
Speaker 2: until he like kind of like threw his hip out, remember,
Speaker 2: and he was just in such excruciating pain. That is
Speaker 2: such a lesson that it can absolutely happen to anyone,
Speaker 2: whether they're an addict or not.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've watched a lot of like TV shows
Speaker 4: about you know, about like the opioid epidemic and the
Speaker 4: funanall and that's what I yeah, and the fentanyl, and
Speaker 4: it really is, like, I mean.
Speaker 3: It's so gross how it gets it can happen to us.
Speaker 2: Let's say, God forbid, something terrible happened, even though you
Speaker 2: don't you you are you know you don't take that
Speaker 2: stuff and I don't take it very often. But say
Speaker 2: something happened, you'r release severe pain and you have to
Speaker 2: see something. But then your doctor isn't giving you enough
Speaker 2: because the pain is getting worse and worse, and you'll
Speaker 2: do anything to make the pain stop. Then you go
Speaker 2: get a pill. You're like, oh, my friend knows a guy,
Speaker 2: and I'll just get this like one extra pill and
Speaker 2: I'll be fine.
Speaker 3: And then these pills are just like they have a
Speaker 3: fucking fentanel and then which is beyond my d We
Speaker 3: don't know if that's what happened with Hayden yet, but
Speaker 3: I mean possibly, yeah, right, Like I mean, it's very possible.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, like, I don't know how to
Speaker 3: fix this anymore, Like this is this is crazy, but
Speaker 3: there's other things.
Speaker 4: But if it was totally up to you, but if
Speaker 4: you're like I just I mean, I don't know. I've
Speaker 4: tried for so many years to like solve this issue.
Speaker 4: And I mean doctor Clouci and I were like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, we were kind of tag teaming. There's a
Speaker 4: lot we were I'm trying to do, but I just
Speaker 4: don't know anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Here's the CNN guy they always have on his doctor Fouchi,
Speaker 2: but the other guy that always talks about opioid addiction.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: He's a cool guy. He's a good guy.
Speaker 5: We like him.
Speaker 2: But they always have him on. But yeah, it is
Speaker 2: up to me, and I'm failing you, guys. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: But here's the other thing I want to say really quick.
Speaker 2: So she was found unresponsive by a medical team. They
Speaker 2: did find narcon there, which is that is important, right,
Speaker 2: which is the thing you give if you have an overdose.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 3: They found it there.
Speaker 2: They don't know if that was given to her or
Speaker 2: the fucking boyfriend, which we'll get into. But I do
Speaker 2: want to also say this. Her brother, who she was
Speaker 2: very close to, died just a few years ago, and
Speaker 2: he had the thing.
Speaker 3: That I have. Every time someone dies of that, I
Speaker 3: kind of lose my mind a little bit. No, No,
Speaker 3: I saw that.
Speaker 5: I thought of you. That the aortic dissection, right, the.
Speaker 2: Aartic dissection, the enlarged heart, which is an aneurysm, which
Speaker 2: I had if untreated.
Speaker 3: I caught mine if untreated.
Speaker 2: And the scary thing is that I'll always struggle with
Speaker 2: heart stuff most likely, you know, always. I have to
Speaker 2: get checked every six months, and it's scary when I
Speaker 2: hear it happen. We're all going to die from something.
Speaker 2: But he was also very young and had the enlarged heart.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how tall he was, but it's
Speaker 2: something did you know that happens often for us shorties,
Speaker 2: really tall people so specifically tall like like a link,
Speaker 2: you know, like people with like gigantism and people that
Speaker 2: are short. And Hayden was just I think about two
Speaker 2: inches shorter than me. And so that might be a
Speaker 2: thing that ran in their family. So she probably she
Speaker 2: might have not probably she might have had heart issues
Speaker 2: mixed with maybe a drug that just didn't quite take
Speaker 2: that day and.
Speaker 3: Could be well, I will cardiac, I will say that.
Speaker 4: And this is just this is just something that I
Speaker 4: know from my experience with addicts and addiction.
Speaker 3: But what a main reason that people relapse is pills.
Speaker 4: So like most people, even if they're alcoholics, don't don't
Speaker 4: relapse on just they just don't have a drink. They
Speaker 4: have they take a medication and they have a back surgery.
Speaker 4: Just I just wanted to add that to what you
Speaker 4: were saying. It's just very very true. It's that's the
Speaker 4: easiest way to s sloped back into right, and just
Speaker 4: being open to it doesn't doesn't prevent it from happening.
Speaker 4: It's like it's just so easy to do it's so
Speaker 4: easy to get back into it.
Speaker 5: And then if you haven't done it in.
Speaker 4: A while, like you might not even be partying, you
Speaker 4: might just be, yeah, taking medication to get out of pain,
Speaker 4: and you take too much, and like you said, shit happens.
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, So it says on Yahoo. I hate that
Speaker 2: it's Yahoo Entertainment, but it says that she'd reportedly been
Speaker 2: dealing with severe back pain nerve damage throughout the year.
Speaker 2: In one of her last interviews, she opened up about
Speaker 2: fears that her condition it was so bad to leave
Speaker 2: her paralyzed, describing the experience as the scariest physical ordeal
Speaker 2: she has ever faced. Oh Gow, she was seen struggling
Speaker 2: with her mobility. I remember seeing that a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I just kind of figured like she was just, you know,
Speaker 2: on something. But I think she was in pain this mobility.
Speaker 2: Several times in the months leading up to her death,
Speaker 2: she was photographed using crutches. Remember that at Lax in March. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a couple so she so then she at that time
Speaker 2: she was accompanied by her on and off again boyfriend
Speaker 2: Brian Hickerson, and she appeared to be having difficulty walking.
Speaker 2: When asked about the crutches. She said she had been
Speaker 2: dealing with really severe nerve damage in her lower back.
Speaker 2: She had been receiving assistance at the time. It does
Speaker 2: it while she was leaving the CBS studios, and she
Speaker 2: had been promoting her memoir, which is called This is
Speaker 2: Me A Reckoning I will definitely read. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: this woman was just going through it. So where do
Speaker 2: we go from here? Do we talk about the boyfriend?
Speaker 4: I was going to say, I think that's the natural
Speaker 4: thing is to talk about the boyfriend. So she had
Speaker 4: this inredibly abusive.
Speaker 3: Boyfriend, like, yell, let me he was up heems too.
Speaker 2: Before him, she had the husband who also was who
Speaker 2: was the father of her child. That was the fighter
Speaker 2: or something? Right?
Speaker 3: Remember that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: Do now?
Speaker 4: I this is terrible because we're doing a show about this.
Speaker 4: But was he legitimately supposed to be because I don't
Speaker 4: was he abusive or was he just she gave up
Speaker 4: custody of her kid to him?
Speaker 5: Yeah it wasn't.
Speaker 4: But wasn't he maybe like wanting custody because she was
Speaker 4: an addict?
Speaker 3: Oh? Very possible. So she they were never legally married.
Speaker 2: I just okay, but let me find that it just
Speaker 2: took me to wiki, so let me go to her
Speaker 2: personal life. Okay, she Oh first, Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: can't believe I forgot to tell you this. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you saw this, but do you remember that
Speaker 2: guy Milo what's his name from This is Us?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, they dated when she was on Heroes like
Speaker 2: he was also in Heroes. Okay, and I believe Okay,
Speaker 2: she was eighteen and she was eighteen and he was thirty.
Speaker 3: Let's sit with that for a second.
Speaker 2: And I I people got mad at me because I
Speaker 2: got a really creepy, icky vibe from him from the show.
Speaker 2: Even though I love the show. I'm like, I love
Speaker 2: everything except this main character. I cannot stand him, and
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of grossed out. Now we've made that
Speaker 2: clear that we don't love a thirty year old dating
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old.
Speaker 4: No, we don't, And I'm going to tell you why.
Speaker 4: Like not to make this about me, but sorry, guys,
Speaker 4: I have an eighteen year old daughter and I have
Speaker 4: a twenty one year old daughter, and it would be
Speaker 4: too fucking old for my twenty one year old daughter,
Speaker 4: let alone my eighteen year old daughter is a fucking child.
Speaker 5: That's crazy, that's gross.
Speaker 3: So they broke.
Speaker 2: They dated for like a two years about and then
Speaker 2: very quickly she met So at this point she is
Speaker 2: now twenty years old. Oh my god, she's so young.
Speaker 2: See that's the thing. I don't think I realized how
Speaker 2: young she was. So when I met her, she's just
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, not met her when I encountered.
Speaker 5: When you guys were roommates for your best friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I took her a photo for her.
Speaker 2: I only asked twice, by the way, I know, it
Speaker 2: would be annoying if I asked like eight times, but
Speaker 2: I was getting to the place where I was about to.
Speaker 3: Like, no, you were all right, you were in the right,
Speaker 3: And I think it was she was just in a mood.
Speaker 2: But in two thousand and nine she met her the
Speaker 2: then world heavyweight boxing champion.
Speaker 4: Okay, then then I take it back. He can't be great. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this guy, well he might be great, but I doubt
Speaker 4: he's a fighter. You know, he's not going to be great.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce his name, and I'm
Speaker 2: not even going to try. So this is a different
Speaker 2: guy than Brian. He's like a Russian guy. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's spelled like it would be. You'd think of Vladimir,
Speaker 2: but it's spelled with I guess it's Vladimir.
Speaker 3: Okay. So they met as.
Speaker 2: They met at a book launch party for mutual acquaintance
Speaker 2: Diane Jenkins her book Room twenty three, in which they
Speaker 2: are both featured. So she featured. So she even talked
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: I was wrong. I was like, Oh, people are just
Speaker 3: dragging her. They don't know. I guess they do know
Speaker 3: because she said it. So she was ringside.
Speaker 2: Hayden was ringside for this guy's knockout victory on September eleventh,
Speaker 2: twenty ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I told you, Cecily. I was like, oh, we're
Speaker 4: going to talk about Diana Jenkins. We're going to talk
Speaker 4: about it. And Cecily was like, no, no, no, we
Speaker 4: don't know this for sure, but I said, I'll give fuck.
Speaker 4: What are they going to They're not listening to our
Speaker 4: show to sue us?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay.
Speaker 2: So she dated this guy, vlad for two years, and
Speaker 2: then in May twenty eleven, she announced that they had
Speaker 2: broken up. They cited long distance nature of their relationship
Speaker 2: as the reason and said they would remain close friends,
Speaker 2: but she had confirmed that they had resumed their romance.
Speaker 2: So she did this, she does this, or did this
Speaker 2: a couple times. She did this with this guy. She's
Speaker 2: a go backer. I totally get that.
Speaker 3: She goes back.
Speaker 2: So she went back to this guy and they resumed
Speaker 2: the romantic relationship, and then they did get engaged in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. So this went on for a long time,
Speaker 2: and in twenty fourteen, she gave birth to their daughter.
Speaker 2: After that, she in twenty fourteen, about a year later,
Speaker 2: a little less than a year later, she started talking
Speaker 2: about her postpartum depression. She went on Live with Kelly
Speaker 2: and Michael, remember that, And that was in September of
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, and she said she hadn't planned to talk
Speaker 2: about it, but they were like, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: We know that you've been not feeling great, and she
Speaker 2: fucking just talked about it, which she should have. Then
Speaker 2: they broke up again for some reason. Her mother confirmed
Speaker 2: that they broke up again in twenty eighteen, and she
Speaker 2: yes relinquished all custody of her daughter to him amid
Speaker 2: struggles with postpartum depression and addiction. So, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't see anything about him having been i'd you know,
Speaker 2: anything like that. But she definitely went through a tough time.
Speaker 2: Then in twenty eighteen, almost these relationships are like a
Speaker 2: part by like a month. So one month later she
Speaker 2: meets she starts dating Brian Hickerson, who was arrested in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen the first time after an alleged confrontation with her,
Speaker 2: but that was dismissed. So she probably was supposed to
Speaker 2: testify maybe and just didn't want to do that because
Speaker 2: I was in love with him or whatever. Then in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, he was arrested twice on domestic violence related charges.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, he was sentenced to forty five
Speaker 2: days in jail after pleading no contest two felony counts
Speaker 2: of injuring a spouse or girlfriend. That was Hayden, And
Speaker 2: she talks about all that in the book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there was this worry because he responded
Speaker 4: to it about how now I'm going to mess this
Speaker 4: up because I've I've looked up a lot of things,
Speaker 4: and I have a lot of things up that I
Speaker 4: want to read, but this one I just happened to read,
Speaker 4: and I don't have the story, but it was something
Speaker 4: where he said to her, like, you've got like five
Speaker 4: seconds to run or something or I'm going to throw
Speaker 4: this phone at your head and he admitted it, yes,
Speaker 4: and he was like, yeah, that kind of sucks.
Speaker 5: Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: You should pull up the sound up on from TMZ
Speaker 2: if you if you google TMZ in his name, there's
Speaker 2: an interview clip that they did with him that is
Speaker 2: it is beyond outrageous, how fucked up he is and
Speaker 2: how awful it seems. I mean, okay, I'm sure he
Speaker 2: has people that love him.
Speaker 4: So it's Hayden Panetieri, Bryan Bryan boyfriend Brian Spian breaks
Speaker 4: in silence on her death.
Speaker 2: That one, no, but I mean we could listen to
Speaker 2: that one too, and that's probably there was a video
Speaker 2: they did before she died that started making the rounds. Okay,
Speaker 2: Jamez and he's just like yeah, because I think they're like, well,
Speaker 2: what do you want for Hayden and her He's like,
Speaker 2: I wanted to probably get away from.
Speaker 3: Me, Like he's just nuts.
Speaker 4: Okay, first, I'm going to tell you this though, I'm
Speaker 4: going to look for that, but I'm going to tell
Speaker 4: you that her HOA did you know about this thing?
Speaker 5: HOA had hold on them?
Speaker 4: Okay, they hung up warning posters with Brian Hitcherson's face.
Speaker 5: Yes, one year before she died.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I said, if you see him, you got
Speaker 2: to like report him, yeah.
Speaker 4: Said and flyers with it her on again off again
Speaker 4: boyfriend posted on the homeowners association posted.
Speaker 5: Community members were urged.
Speaker 4: To call the cops if they spotted the man pictured,
Speaker 4: and it says to all warning and then they show
Speaker 4: two different pictures of them, and they say to all
Speaker 4: residents and guests of the Handcock Condominiums, this individual has
Speaker 4: been seen trespassing in the common areas and hallways at
Speaker 4: and then they say the place. Please do not grant
Speaker 4: him access to the building. If he has seen anywhere
Speaker 4: on this property, please call nine one one immediately and
Speaker 4: report that he's trespassing on the premises.
Speaker 3: So this was a serial reflying.
Speaker 2: This guy was this is crazy, and he was with her,
Speaker 2: So that was on and off. She got back sort
Speaker 2: of with him in this sort of shameful secret way.
Speaker 2: And that's who was with her and his brother, right,
Speaker 2: they were all in this apartment in South Carolina.
Speaker 3: When Zach she died.
Speaker 2: Zach's the brother, yes, the brother, and Brian was asleep
Speaker 2: allegedly when she died. He was like in the other
Speaker 2: rooms passed out. Okay, yeah, so I believe it was
Speaker 2: Zach that, Like, I don't know, I guess that's who called.
Speaker 3: I mean, who else will called nine one one?
Speaker 2: But the guy that was awake, right, which, holy shit,
Speaker 2: that's just I don't Okay, So what else do we did?
Speaker 3: You find? This sound up on him?
Speaker 4: I just keep finding stuff about him speaking out for
Speaker 4: the first time. Should I look for old TMZ?
Speaker 2: Old me if I can, I think you can find
Speaker 2: the interview Brian Hickerson interview video TMZ like you just
Speaker 2: click video.
Speaker 4: But well, it keeps saying, it keeps saying whenever I
Speaker 4: put that up, it keeps saying that he speaks out
Speaker 4: after her death. Hayden Panitieri's boyfriend, Brian speaks out after
Speaker 4: her death. Hoa appears, and then we could we could
Speaker 4: get into Oh, here's something from six hours ago that
Speaker 4: says new details you see this No, because he issued
Speaker 4: his attorney issued a statement on her death. It says
Speaker 4: Brian has an attorney, Sloane Ellis said her death remains
Speaker 4: under investigation, urges that the process be allowed to continue.
Speaker 4: There's no signs of foul play. The Dea is reportedly
Speaker 4: been involved. Uh yeah, I guess they don't really have Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean there's they're gonna have to see
Speaker 2: who's supplied those drugs.
Speaker 3: He's in big trouble.
Speaker 2: This is a guy who's already a felon, like a
Speaker 2: three like a two time felon at least. I mean,
Speaker 2: this isn't just like some guy who's been popped a
Speaker 2: couple of times. I mean like he's he's fucked, he's.
Speaker 3: Horrible, and the mom is blaming him for her death.
Speaker 2: But the mom, Yeah, we should talk about the mom. Okay,
Speaker 2: So then I'll get the nutrigena of it. There's so
Speaker 2: much more, Okay.
Speaker 5: So the mom issued a statement and it sucks.
Speaker 4: Okay, and a lot of people, beautiful people, many people
Speaker 4: are saying like she fucking sucks, Like this mom.
Speaker 5: Is a piece of work.
Speaker 4: So here's her statement, and then I'm going to tell
Speaker 4: you some of the reactions to her statement.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: I think this is all in quotes, Okay. I think
Speaker 4: Hayden was an amazingly talented person in so many departments,
Speaker 4: And I think young people who grew up in the
Speaker 4: entertainment industry it is a struggle and it's a very
Speaker 4: challenging industry, and it's not unusual for them too sadly
Speaker 4: find the wrong path. Okay, by the way, interjection, Uh,
Speaker 4: you're the one who put her in the fucking business.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, when she was months old, like fuck
Speaker 4: off already, she was a baby.
Speaker 2: I saw an interview with her when she was like nine,
Speaker 2: because it was like making the rounds and she's trying
Speaker 2: to give an interview and she's so adorable. She's just
Speaker 2: like precocious, so intelligent, like way beyond her years, you know.
Speaker 2: And she's giving this interview and she's like trying to
Speaker 2: be professional, and then her mom like I don't know
Speaker 2: if she's drunk. I don't know what's going on in
Speaker 2: the background, but her mom's like that, and she turns
Speaker 2: around she goes, yeah, that's my mom, Sorry about that anyway,
Speaker 2: and continues the interview. So it was like the second
Speaker 2: glimpse I recognized. I understood that moment, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Yes, yeah, she had to carry She didn't
Speaker 2: have a great relationship.
Speaker 4: Okay, no, they weren't speaking, but okay, it says there's
Speaker 4: a lot of history in the past that Brian has
Speaker 4: enabled Hayden many times. And this is all I'm just
Speaker 4: reading it word for words, so it doesn't quite make
Speaker 4: sense the way she's talking. But there's a lot of
Speaker 4: history in the past that Brian has enabled Hayden many times,
Speaker 4: and this is why her father and I had been
Speaker 4: concerned for a long time about him. No contact was
Speaker 4: a choice I made for very specific reasons, and you know,
Speaker 4: certainly not for lack of care concern love. I think
Speaker 4: it becomes very difficult to be true to yourself, and
Speaker 4: I think Hayden sadly lost her way, and I wish
Speaker 4: it were different. I wish she'd stayed true to herself
Speaker 4: because she had many incredible attributes. I just feel that
Speaker 4: she's with her brother and they're at peace. Like never says,
Speaker 4: so this is like the where I found this. It
Speaker 4: says number one, so it's like context. This person's writes
Speaker 4: this is on threats. Gosh, Hayden Panaitire's mom is truly
Speaker 4: such a horrible woman. Look at the statement on the left.
Speaker 4: She is you to NBC News about her daughter's death.
Speaker 4: That's when I just read you. She talks as if
Speaker 4: Hayden got herself into the business on her own she
Speaker 4: was eleven months old when her mom started having her
Speaker 4: audition for gigs.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But also like, your daughter just died, and you have
Speaker 2: to like get in one more jab, which is that
Speaker 2: I issued no contact, Like what a fucking I'm sorry, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm I guess you probably had a really bad relationship.
Speaker 2: But can't you just say, like, oh my god, please
Speaker 2: like respect my privacy right now, my daughter just died.
Speaker 4: Like and here here's some things that she said. Okay,
Speaker 4: and this was not very long ago. This is her
Speaker 4: This is Hayden's mom. Her statement to page six after
Speaker 4: Hayden's memoir was published. So this just was from May
Speaker 4: of this year, so like three months ago, Okay. She
Speaker 4: says the present drama is partially to sell books. This
Speaker 4: is all the mom talking. These are a bunch of quotes.
Speaker 4: There's a personality quote style which manifests as a need
Speaker 4: for control, entitlement, and a lack of empathy. This is
Speaker 4: our mom talking about our daughter having a lack of empathy.
Speaker 4: The major fear is that someone will see through the
Speaker 4: mask they present to the world and discover who they
Speaker 4: truthfully are. This condition cannot be fixed in quotes regardless
Speaker 4: of continual efforts to support or comfort. No matter the
Speaker 4: encouragement given, it will never be enough. This personality style
Speaker 4: does not accept responsibility for life choices and therefore feel
Speaker 4: as they have no need to alter their behavior. After
Speaker 4: twenty years of trauma, I took the advice of professionals
Speaker 4: and chose the no contact route. As many parents of
Speaker 4: entertainment children know, we are all too familiar with the
Speaker 4: painful observation of watching the self destructive paths they sometimes choose.
Speaker 4: No parent hopes for the scenario. We want our children
Speaker 4: to be the best of themselves and live a peaceful,
Speaker 4: joyful life. When someone leaves the campaign begins. Accusations, anger, belittling, gaslighting,
Speaker 4: et cetera. Are the classic signs of this behavior style.
Speaker 4: The craving of drama and punitive action is traditional and
Speaker 4: to be expected. Okay, she's a cunt. Even if Hayden
Speaker 4: had like borderline, which it sounds like that's what she's
Speaker 4: saying she had. Even if that's true, keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 4: You raised her, You put her into this business that
Speaker 4: ruined her.
Speaker 5: Just go, I'm sorry. I wish my daughter the best.
Speaker 4: You You, Hayden's mom sound like the one with borderline personality.
Speaker 4: You sound like the one who's trying to cause drama
Speaker 4: and needs attention. You sound like you're bitter that your
Speaker 4: daughter became famous and you didn't.
Speaker 2: That's totally so true. Now she has a friend on threads,
Speaker 2: this woman who does interject yourself a lot, Ruby Rose.
Speaker 2: She is Oh wait, this isn't the right one. Hold on,
Speaker 2: she has so many she has so many different Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: this is her. So she's like an Australian model slash actress.
Speaker 2: Let me remind you, we don't really know Ruby Rose.
Speaker 2: But she recently came out and said that Katy Perry
Speaker 2: like molested her at a club.
Speaker 3: Many years ago.
Speaker 5: Oh right, right, right right.
Speaker 2: So she does like to interject, but they inject herself
Speaker 2: into things. But she and Hayden were apparently friends, so
Speaker 2: I can no longer find the She's like, there's just.
Speaker 4: Anywhere, any pictures, any different celebrities.
Speaker 5: It's like in the background, she's like, that's me.
Speaker 3: There's a little arrow.
Speaker 2: You could see her in the like in a breadline
Speaker 2: and thirty five. Wait a minute, how she's ad a
Speaker 2: fifty sock cop? So she was friends I guess with her.
Speaker 2: She posted text threads between Hayden and her, and she
Speaker 2: said she was doing it, and she it looks like
Speaker 2: she's taken them down. She took down the text threads.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I did not screenshot them, but basically they were
Speaker 2: showing Hayden as having written Ruby and said, you know,
Speaker 2: my mom, I'm so sad.
Speaker 3: You know, it was just stuff that Ruby says.
Speaker 2: She was trying to defend Hayden from the other side,
Speaker 2: basically from her mom, saying like it's all Hayden's fault
Speaker 2: and show Aiden's point of view.
Speaker 3: But a lot of people didn't like that, right.
Speaker 2: A lot of people were like, dude, you know, can
Speaker 2: you just like wait a minute, you know, yeah, before
Speaker 2: you post text threads, which I gotta say for the record,
Speaker 2: like don't if I die and you will die, like
Speaker 2: if I die first, please don't post text threads unless
Speaker 2: it's something really funny that I said something that like
Speaker 2: like wonderful that people can wrote like yeah, even if
Speaker 2: it's just like defending my honor. Yeah, wait a week,
Speaker 2: don't that's kind of weird. But I understand why she
Speaker 2: did it, but she's mad. She's fighting with people in
Speaker 2: the comments too, someone said, you're someone said every major
Speaker 2: woman tragedy. You hop on and act as an ally
Speaker 2: or defender. But it's all a little too on the nose.
Speaker 2: Not using this woman's tragedy as stepping stones to your relevance.
Speaker 2: You posting that shit after the fact is so useless
Speaker 2: and cringe. Yes, and more time helping in the now
Speaker 2: than clouding on the past, like if you know? And
Speaker 2: so she wrote back. Ruby wrote back. She wrote, I
Speaker 2: will rip the skin off your face with my teeth. Ah,
Speaker 2: maybe you should wait for the investigation before speaking. Hayden
Speaker 2: was my protector. This is not your person.
Speaker 3: That's my sister.
Speaker 2: No much more I promised I would do for her.
Speaker 2: It's like, did you like okay, I've never seen like okay,
Speaker 2: that was your Oh that's your best friend. It's just
Speaker 2: kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: I will say.
Speaker 2: Paris Hilton put out a statement, but they seem to
Speaker 2: have truly been friends, which I don't know who that
Speaker 2: bodes for, but like, you know, they were friends. And
Speaker 2: so she put out a statement like I loved my friend.
Speaker 2: That's fine, but not like text messages between the friend.
Speaker 5: No, that's so gross. It is really cringe. It really
Speaker 5: kind of is.
Speaker 3: And then people say she's just fighting with a lot
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'll read your face off. I'll post
Speaker 4: all the text messages I want. She we were best friends.
Speaker 4: It's you know, you know, it just grew in her mind.
Speaker 4: Well what where were you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean like it's not her maybe they were buds maybe,
Speaker 2: and it's not I guess her job to save someone.
Speaker 2: But it is weird. But one person liked it. They
Speaker 2: were like, thank you, Ruby hardheart. Hayden deserved more friends
Speaker 2: like you. And she writes back, our group of friends
Speaker 2: consists of fourteen women.
Speaker 3: That is so specific.
Speaker 2: First of all, who has a fourteen woman friend group
Speaker 2: that they're really genuinely propab?
Speaker 4: Well, remember Crystal Minkoff did, and but she got kicked
Speaker 4: out of her thirteen person friend group or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's such a good tie back to Bebo Hills. But
Speaker 3: she goes our group of.
Speaker 2: Friends consists of fourteen women, and I haven't even met
Speaker 2: her other wonderful friend groups. Hayden was so very loved
Speaker 2: all caps, was incredible friend to all of us. We
Speaker 2: were lucky to watch her grow. That's such a weird
Speaker 2: thing to say. Also, to watch her grow, like, what
Speaker 2: do you mean? That is so weird? That is so
Speaker 2: so weird.
Speaker 4: But this is Can I just tell you the quickest
Speaker 4: little side story and it's sad and I think I've
Speaker 4: even told you this before, but and don't.
Speaker 5: Be trigger warning.
Speaker 4: When I was eighteen, okay, okay, when I was eighteen,
Speaker 4: my best friend died. She was hit by a car
Speaker 4: drunk driver. I've told you this story, but I had
Speaker 4: to go. I went home for her funeral, and we
Speaker 4: were high school best friends. Like I spent every night
Speaker 4: at her house and I was definitely a best friender.
Speaker 5: So she did not.
Speaker 4: It was we did not have a big circle of friends.
Speaker 4: It was me and my friend, and then I had
Speaker 4: like two other friends and then we were all kind
Speaker 4: of hung out a little bit together. You better believe
Speaker 4: that at her funeral, everybody was suddenly her best friend.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh my god. All these people were like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, maybe y'all was like my best friend.
Speaker 5: And I was like, bitch, please, what are you talking about.
Speaker 3: We didn't even like.
Speaker 4: You, We didn't you never sit hello to her in
Speaker 4: the hallway, And now suddenly everybody was her best friend.
Speaker 5: It was like, it's like a drama thing.
Speaker 2: It's outrageous and it never ends. When my very dear
Speaker 2: friend died a few years ago the funeral, one woman
Speaker 2: that he like went out with on a one date.
Speaker 2: We all made fun of her for years. I almost
Speaker 2: want to say her name, but she wanted to be
Speaker 2: a comic and she does like a bunch of open
Speaker 2: mics and like flapper shit, you know, she calls her
Speaker 2: a little comic, which she's like flapper. And she showed
Speaker 2: up at the celebration of life and did a set
Speaker 2: and we were like, I didn't even tell it was
Speaker 2: my best friend. I mean, I was such good friends
Speaker 2: with him that I was one of the only people
Speaker 2: invited with the family to go to the cremation ceremony,
Speaker 2: like for real, for like everyone knew that I didn't
Speaker 2: have time. I actually didn't want to speak. I mean
Speaker 2: there were so many people getting up to speak that
Speaker 2: it became laughable.
Speaker 3: I was like, what is this is? Like what kind
Speaker 3: of I mean?
Speaker 2: I'm just going to like keep my memories with me
Speaker 2: right now, you know what I mean? And it would
Speaker 2: be like, remember when our mutual friend that we didn't
Speaker 2: know very well passed away in the comedy community and
Speaker 2: we went to that. It would be like if I
Speaker 2: got up and spoke to that someone that who I
Speaker 2: never hung out with one on one, right, Like people
Speaker 2: are so.
Speaker 3: Insane.
Speaker 2: That's by the way, I rouse the text okay with
Speaker 2: Hayden that she this is just one of many that
Speaker 2: ruby someone's screenshot it and so I guess I don't
Speaker 2: know if okay, if someone's posting a screenshot, are they
Speaker 2: the blue?
Speaker 3: Are they the blue? They're the blue?
Speaker 4: Right, yes, they're the like the person posting is the
Speaker 4: one who writes in blue.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I don't know what she was saying, because
Speaker 2: this is a different text than I saw before. But
Speaker 2: she said something like I watched something, Oh, I watched
Speaker 2: a movie best Friend Zoe or something last night. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that is because I think your story,
Speaker 2: I think I think your story could question mark funny, intense, watchable.
Speaker 2: So they're talking about like writing something, I guess, and
Speaker 2: I guess she if this is Hayden, She wrote back,
Speaker 2: I'd love to do a podcast slash Anthony Bourdain show
Speaker 2: where we talk about issues and then go to the
Speaker 2: ends of the earth to find solutions. So it's interesting
Speaker 2: that she said that, and I really am that makes
Speaker 2: us all sad that she was trying to do things
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: But why again, does Ruby post this? What is the point?
Speaker 1: I don't know, to.
Speaker 3: Steal focus center herself? And but a lot of people
Speaker 3: love it. They're like, we love that. You're like, thank
Speaker 3: you so much.
Speaker 2: And then some people are like, please stop, I'd be
Speaker 2: I'm of that family. I mean someone Okay, So someone
Speaker 2: wrote last thing sounds like you need to do this
Speaker 2: show in her honor. Ruby, No, I feel like that's
Speaker 2: kind of why she posted, like, hey, you guys, I
Speaker 2: have proof Hayden wanted to do a show with me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so she want me to take her idea
Speaker 3: and do it myself.
Speaker 5: She wrote back.
Speaker 2: No, she chose the right friend, a medical professional. H
Speaker 2: and I were working on something else, a comedy based
Speaker 2: around how we met and how we healed our trauma,
Speaker 2: but neither of us wanted to give it to Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Oh no, oh gross, Like.
Speaker 3: Oh it makes me now, I'm just like I should
Speaker 3: have been. We could have we need she had.
Speaker 2: The wrong people around her, which brings us to Ianne Jenkins.
Speaker 4: Yes, and then should we then? Should we talk about
Speaker 4: her post part the nutrigena?
Speaker 3: Oh, the nutrogena? Should I just tell you that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: Let's let's just hear we're going to save that and
Speaker 4: that's going to be the last thing that we talk about.
Speaker 4: But so Diana Jenkins, Okay, so I have a little
Speaker 4: article about it. So this is from the Toronto Sun
Speaker 4: and it says the Real Housewive starred Diana Jenkins. Now,
Speaker 4: let's remind you of who Diana Jenkins is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we didn't even know who she was.
Speaker 2: She's some like social light that had one season on
Speaker 2: Beverly Hill's Real Housewife, which we watched.
Speaker 3: Yeah you did.
Speaker 5: Did you see that season? Because I sure did. Hers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she just kept licking her lips and she was
Speaker 4: really weird, and she had like a twenty year old
Speaker 4: boyfriend who like played piano and wrote songs, and she
Speaker 4: was so unbelievably unlikable. But as as you said, she
Speaker 4: there was a book that had to do twenty three. Yes,
Speaker 4: that had to do with the Epstein right Epstein. Fo.
Speaker 3: They look that up while you're talking about what you know,
Speaker 3: and then I'll find it.
Speaker 4: Okay, So it says Real house I've start Diana Jenkins
Speaker 4: denies putting Hayden in bed with a famous undressed man. Okay, So, uh,
Speaker 4: she's denying long standing Internet rumors that she put a
Speaker 4: teenage Hayden Panettieri in bed with an undressed famous man
Speaker 4: while on a yacht. So now Hayden is the one
Speaker 4: who's talked about this and said it happened to her,
Speaker 4: and Jenkins is willing to sue anyone who spreads the rumor,
Speaker 4: her representative told TMZ. Months before her death. On Sunday,
Speaker 4: Pannatieri released her memoir This is Me, a Reckoning, in
Speaker 4: which she claimed a trusted friend turned on her as
Speaker 4: a teen by putting her in bed with an undressed
Speaker 4: man who was very famous while on a yacht.
Speaker 3: Here is his name names because she was scared.
Speaker 4: No other have so much trouble, right, But other people
Speaker 4: who were there are saying it was Diana jas So
Speaker 4: allegedly it was Diana Jenkins. Okay, I don't know. I
Speaker 4: wasn't there, but that's what people are saying. Many beautiful people.
Speaker 5: The hero star.
Speaker 4: Claimed she was quote led by somebody that I had
Speaker 4: grown to trust and see as a protector down some
Speaker 4: stairs and into a small room where she was put
Speaker 4: in the bed next to this undressed man who's very famous.
Speaker 4: My hair stood on end and I became ferocious. I
Speaker 4: was like, this is not happening, Hayden wrote, I had
Speaker 4: nowhere to hide. I bolted, I hid wherever I could
Speaker 4: think of to hide on a boat. There was no
Speaker 4: jumping off and swimming away. And I realized there was
Speaker 4: nobody who was going to be empathetic to my situation,
Speaker 4: that this was nothing new to them. While Okay, and
Speaker 4: then it says, while the.
Speaker 2: Friend was not named, fifty two, she's fifty two years old,
Speaker 2: So big age difference there too, so I could see
Speaker 2: why she would say protector.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so almost twenty years older, while the friend I'm
Speaker 4: really good at math. While the friend was not named
Speaker 4: in the memoir, internet rumors swirled as to who it
Speaker 4: could be, with many speculating it was Jenkins. Diana has
Speaker 4: had to deal with false online rumors before.
Speaker 5: This is her.
Speaker 3: This is Diana Jenkins representative. Okay, she's had to deal
Speaker 3: with false.
Speaker 4: Online rumors before, and sadly this is just another example
Speaker 4: of that. So let me be one hundred percent clear
Speaker 4: about this. It most certainly is not Diana, and anyone
Speaker 4: who claims it is will be sued. Okay, So we're
Speaker 4: not claiming it is.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, wow, because on Reddit, I mean, there's but
Speaker 2: that's the thing we do want to say.
Speaker 3: We do not know that that is completely alleged.
Speaker 2: People come forward and say all kinds of things all
Speaker 2: day long on Twitter and threads that are not true.
Speaker 2: But it is interesting that. I mean, why her? Why
Speaker 2: did that stick?
Speaker 4: Says in her memoir, PANNETII wrote Diana was almost She wrote, Diana,
Speaker 4: Diana was almost thirty years older than me. And while
Speaker 4: I'd always been mature for my age, it's possible to
Speaker 4: overlook an age difference that large.
Speaker 2: I don't know why she would say thirty years because
Speaker 2: she's seventeen years older.
Speaker 5: If she's talking about if she's not lying about her age.
Speaker 2: Oh or maybe she's trying to throw off because she
Speaker 2: doesn't want to get sued, so she may, But why
Speaker 2: would she use her name?
Speaker 3: That's that's weird. I'm not sure what that means.
Speaker 4: Well, but I mean some people, well didn't Lisa Renna?
Speaker 4: Are we do we have like a little Renna thing.
Speaker 2: Well, Rena was in the book, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people are like that doesn't mean anything. It's like the
Speaker 2: Epstein Files, where pretty much everybody was in the you know,
Speaker 2: anybody that was famous was listed in the Epstein in
Speaker 2: an email that he sent to somebody.
Speaker 3: It still goes in the files.
Speaker 2: So not everybody that went to a party with him,
Speaker 2: let's say or whatever, were child molesters, but they got
Speaker 2: grouped together because they were in the files. So I
Speaker 2: don't think Lisa Renna was part of any world in
Speaker 2: which she was like using children or having sex, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I think she very easily could have gone
Speaker 2: to a party that this very wealthy woman had.
Speaker 4: Well, this says Diana was almost thirty years older than me,
Speaker 4: and I'd always been mature for my age. It's impossible
Speaker 4: to overlook an age difference that large. It was a
Speaker 4: weird friendship, for sure, But as I stretched into my
Speaker 4: newfound adulthood, I had to see which relationship suited me
Speaker 4: on my own terms. At that moment, Diana seemed like
Speaker 4: she could give me everything I needed, wrote The Nashville Star.
Speaker 4: It's not the first time Jenkins has denied rumors about her,
Speaker 4: specifically a decade long speculation that she once ran a secret.
Speaker 5: Call girl ring. So this was on.
Speaker 4: This was a storyline on Beverly Hills. People were asking
Speaker 4: her about that, and she was denying it. The unsubstantiated
Speaker 4: rumors started when Jenkins published her book. So Jenkins wrote
Speaker 4: Room twenty three in two thousand and nine, Yeah, which
Speaker 4: featured provocative photos of celebrities such as Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Bynes,
Speaker 4: George Clooney, and Pantier, who was twenty at the time.
Speaker 4: So what do you mean provocative? I don't know, just
Speaker 4: as provocative. And it says so, I mean she wrote
Speaker 4: this book and then put in provocative photos of young girls,
Speaker 4: according to the Tab. The rumors resurfaced again after Jenkins
Speaker 4: joined The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, where she stated
Speaker 4: in a confessional the claims in her book were quote
Speaker 4: a catalog of clients and call girls had been quote
Speaker 4: an offense to my character. Jenkins also sued a blocker,
Speaker 4: a blogger who falsely claimed she was a sex trafficker.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just saying, where there's smoke, could there
Speaker 4: be a little fire.
Speaker 3: It's totally.
Speaker 2: But it's also saying, like on Reddit, where somebody posted
Speaker 2: there like she was only nineteen and Diana Jenkins was fifty,
Speaker 2: and people are very quick to go that's not even possible.
Speaker 2: She's just now fifty three. She's definitely not twenty years
Speaker 2: older than she's saying. And so people are like, so
Speaker 2: anybody can post it something's weird.
Speaker 3: But all I'm saying is it might not be that
Speaker 3: same person.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's something weird about this person,
Speaker 2: so that's its own problem.
Speaker 3: But that might not be who she was speaking of.
Speaker 2: If she is, if she genuinely is thirty years older,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be Dyanagy, That's all. I'm just like math
Speaker 2: and the math, unless she was changing it to throw
Speaker 2: us off the scent, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely possible. No, it's fun to speculate. It's crazy
Speaker 4: and we'll never probably know.
Speaker 2: But one other thing before we go was a lot
Speaker 2: of people speaking of online, so this story came out.
Speaker 2: She was she was a spokes Hayden was a spokeswoman
Speaker 2: for Nutrigena for years and years. I mean, I cannot
Speaker 2: stress enough. How beautiful did you ever remember her being
Speaker 2: that beautiful? Like until you went back and looked at
Speaker 2: these interviews since this past week, I'm like.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, because I just like I only started watching Nashville.
Speaker 4: I didn't watch it when it first came out. I
Speaker 4: started doing a rewatch of it, like last year, and
Speaker 4: I watched a bunch of seasons of the show, and
Speaker 4: I just want to say, Yeah, she was very beautiful.
Speaker 4: Her character was basically playing it seems like kind of herself.
Speaker 5: I mean, she played an addict.
Speaker 4: She played somebody who was like on the rise, and
Speaker 4: Connie Britten's character was the star, but she was sort
Speaker 4: of her star was waning and Hayden's star was on
Speaker 4: the rise. Her character and her mom was just a
Speaker 4: fucking mess. Her mom was like an alcoholic mess YEP,
Speaker 4: you should watch you should continue watching it. It was
Speaker 4: a great I think I'm going to rewatch it. Actually,
Speaker 4: it's such a good show.
Speaker 2: But so she was a spokesperson for neutrogena because wow,
Speaker 2: that face. And so when she went on the thing
Speaker 2: we talked about a while back about her going on
Speaker 2: Kelly and it was Michael at the time or whatever,
Speaker 2: Michael Strahan. Yeah, she went on that and talked about postpartum.
Speaker 2: She says that she got and I think this is
Speaker 2: in the book, but that she got fired for talking
Speaker 2: about like they were like, you went against her our practice,
Speaker 2: you went against what you know is in the contract. Now,
Speaker 2: I didn't see the contract, So I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's exactly why they fired her. She's saying it's because
Speaker 2: she talked about postpartum. They probably have a very different
Speaker 2: answer to that, but they're certainly not going to go
Speaker 2: a statement. Well, I'm going to read the statement, So
Speaker 2: the statement is not an answer to that. At first,
Speaker 2: when I saw the statement, I thought they were like, hey, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we fired her because she was showing up late to
Speaker 2: shoot you know, other probable things that might have happened.
Speaker 2: But instead they actually surprised me in a good way.
Speaker 2: So even though they should have done this at the time,
Speaker 2: they said for more than a decade, Hayden was valued
Speaker 2: member of our Nutrogena community.
Speaker 3: That's a long time.
Speaker 2: We're proud to have partnered with her and understand that
Speaker 2: we made her feel unsupported during a very difficult time.
Speaker 3: This is not what Nutrogena stands for who we want
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: Hayden's courage and sharing her challenges helped inspire important conversations
Speaker 2: and awareness. We're making a significant investment to a long
Speaker 2: standing community health partner to help give more women access
Speaker 2: to the support they need, including care for postpartum depression.
Speaker 2: Who will share more details with the community when plans
Speaker 2: are in place.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we can say now, like why the
Speaker 3: fuck didn't you do that?
Speaker 2: Then? Why weren't you supportive of for then when she's
Speaker 2: talked about something that you've worked with her for ten years,
Speaker 2: she's crying on a talk show about postpartum and obviously
Speaker 2: going through it, I understand a corporation thing, Yeah, we
Speaker 2: can't work with this, not because of that, but because
Speaker 2: of other things, and going we have to terminate your contract.
Speaker 2: But like make the donation then you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like why do people have to die before people? And
Speaker 2: maybe this will change those things. But this is an
Speaker 2: example of a boycott actually working for once, right, Like
Speaker 2: this is great. I guess people boycotted their company and
Speaker 2: said fuck you, we're not ever buying your togain and
Speaker 2: it really went viral in the name of Hayden and
Speaker 2: now they're like, all right, well we're going to give
Speaker 2: a large sum of money to mental health. Well that's
Speaker 2: what it took. I guess that's what it took. But
Speaker 2: like it makes me sad that she had to die first. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what I don't know to
Speaker 2: make it that because I didn't see the contract and
Speaker 2: I don't know what terms exactly they said they were
Speaker 2: firing her for.
Speaker 4: I mean they you know, I'm sure that it could
Speaker 4: have been something that they lied about and that that's
Speaker 4: like it came so close on the heels of her
Speaker 4: during that interview that Hayden was like, what else could
Speaker 4: it be?
Speaker 3: Right, that's right, you know, and they'd been just like, well,
Speaker 3: well that's the thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows what their lawyer would say. I mean,
Speaker 3: if she was.
Speaker 4: Just late a lot. You know, this wasn't their first
Speaker 4: rodeo with her. I mean she obviously had I mean
Speaker 4: they worked with her for ten years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, over ten years, right.
Speaker 4: So I'm sure during that time she wasn't very much
Speaker 4: a drug addict and being late for shoots, so it
Speaker 4: didn't bother them then. But then all of a sudden
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, you know.
Speaker 3: It could have been the giving up custody. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying it's right.
Speaker 2: I don't think they should have done that for that reason,
Speaker 2: but that could have been the reason that they were
Speaker 2: thinking that it.
Speaker 3: Was just a bad look. Well then no men would work,
Speaker 3: is what I'll say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good point, very no, men.
Speaker 4: Could have jobs if it was dependent on them having
Speaker 4: primary custody their fucking kids.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Brad Pig gets rewarded with movie upon
Speaker 3: movie and up and left.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that is one hundred. I'm just saying that's
Speaker 2: what they might have thought at the time, but you're
Speaker 2: I mean, of course it shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 3: She did something probably very difficult, difficult, obviously the most
Speaker 3: difficult thing she could do, but honorable in a sense
Speaker 3: because she's like, I wouldn't be good for this, I
Speaker 3: can't do this right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which a million men have have said and done
Speaker 4: and did not lose contracts in any way, got more
Speaker 4: and more contract.
Speaker 5: Did we not all watch Kramer versus Kramer?
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, people, who are we if we
Speaker 4: haven't seen that movie I told you.
Speaker 2: About the weird I had a weird I've never really
Speaker 2: talked about my grandmother. She died when I was like nineteen,
Speaker 2: as parents do, and we were very close when I
Speaker 2: was like a child. This will come back to this,
Speaker 2: when I was like young, all the way up until
Speaker 2: when she passed, like she we were really tight and
Speaker 2: I was staying with her for a weekend and she had.
Speaker 2: She was really excited because she had just seen Cramer
Speaker 2: Versus Cramer, So I was really young. She had just
Speaker 2: seen it, and she's like, do you want to know
Speaker 2: what happens. I'm like, I don't even really know what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. What what do you mean what happens?
Speaker 2: She's like in the movie where there's like a divorce,
Speaker 2: I didn't even know what a divorce was.
Speaker 3: And then she was so excited. She goes the daddy
Speaker 3: got her to him. She's like, the daddy got the kid.
Speaker 2: And she loved that story so much and always thought
Speaker 2: that was so funny. That stayed with me anytime I
Speaker 2: hear Cramer Versus Cramer and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: why was my grandmother?
Speaker 3: But it turns out it was my dad's. It was
Speaker 3: my dad's mom.
Speaker 2: So she probably was like trying to figure out how
Speaker 2: to get my parents to split up and make sure
Speaker 2: that we.
Speaker 3: Went with my dad.
Speaker 2: In retrospect with all the pieces of the puzzle. Now
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, I kind of see why
Speaker 2: she was psyched. But she was very Oh by the way,
Speaker 2: spoiler spoiler on Kramer Versus Kramer, if you haven't seen it, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know.
Speaker 5: Well that's the kind of the premise of the movie.
Speaker 4: And then you don't know who you We're not going
Speaker 4: to tell you if because it deserves a rewatch.
Speaker 5: Who gets custody in the end.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean yeah, but at.
Speaker 4: The beginning of the movie for sure. Yeah, dustin't going
Speaker 4: through it. Yeah, he really proud going through it, really
Speaker 4: like guy power. Yes, which makes sense because she didn't
Speaker 4: really like my mom that much.
Speaker 3: Well, we really worked through a lot of things.
Speaker 2: But hand with Hayden, Yeah, I too long, didn't didn't listen.
Speaker 3: Of course you did, because you're all all the way
Speaker 3: at the end, stop Bob, we our hearts go out
Speaker 3: to her friends, her family, not her fucking boyfriend who
Speaker 3: is an abusive piece of ship.
Speaker 2: And I hope he goes to jail. I think he's
Speaker 2: going to go to jail. I'm going to go ahead
Speaker 2: and call that one. I would be surprised. I hope
Speaker 2: he's getting arrested, but I don't. He has not been
Speaker 2: arrested as of yet. No, they have a lot to
Speaker 2: do on that. He got a he got a legal
Speaker 2: he got his legal team real real quick. But I
Speaker 2: guess he already had a lawyer because he'd already he's
Speaker 2: a felon.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 4: We're like, we're like a forty eight hours mysteries or whatever.
Speaker 4: You're like, Listen, we got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 4: We're working on the case right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, it's an open it's an open case on
Speaker 2: the desk. I can't talk about it all that much.
Speaker 2: I mean, no, this guy, but I want to say,
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as he's awful, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: no excuse I can't.
Speaker 3: But I hope he gets better too. I hope everybody
Speaker 3: somehow gets better, because like it's so sad, I have
Speaker 3: a work well, so in any way, empathizing with you
Speaker 3: would be.
Speaker 5: Yes, he was.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 4: He was attacking her like you know, I mean I
Speaker 4: basically and mentally in every way. Yeah, and she was
Speaker 4: not pressing charges. But that doesn't mean he wasn't doing it. Oh,
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean shit. She was either in love and
Speaker 4: confused or scared or a million things that go along
Speaker 4: with that all in there. So anyway, love to anyone
Speaker 4: who's feeling postpartum right now, Love to anyone who's suffering
Speaker 4: with drug addiction. Our hearts go out to you, and
Speaker 4: we hope you you know, well, maybe we'll put some
Speaker 4: sources in the description of the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also, if you're shorty like me, go get your
Speaker 3: heart checked. I'm serious.
Speaker 2: If you're over the age of I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that's what happened, but go get a go get
Speaker 2: a murmur check. Just kind of looked at I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to scare anybody, but I could.
Speaker 3: You could really save a life by doing that.
Speaker 4: So okay, all right, thanks everybody, Love you guys, Thanks
Speaker 4: for supporting us.
Speaker 5: Oh, should we do shout outs?
Speaker 3: I don't know if we did shout outs this week
Speaker 3: or did we? I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Maybe we already did. Okay, well we probably already did
Speaker 5: shout out.
Speaker 1: But we will.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, we'll see you guys on Monday. Bye bye,
Speaker 3: Thank you,