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<v Speaker 1>Bill cunning in the Great American. Of course, Leland vitteris

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<v Speaker 1>with News Nation. He's moving to seven pm to nine

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<v Speaker 1>pm on News Nation Monday through Friday. On balance, so

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<v Speaker 1>much more going on and Leland vinter welcome again to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>decision came out this morning from the US Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>to give constitutional authority in a sense to the Congress

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<v Speaker 1>that passed a ban on TikTok that takes effect at

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<v Speaker 1>midnight on Sunday. Between now and then the Kulbi, two

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<v Speaker 1>or three things happen. Biden has said he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>leave it up to the next administration. Trump has said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to be owned by an American business. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine during the heyday of the USSR if the

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<v Speaker 1>Russians who would control CBS Evening News and the Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street Journal. I don't think we would allow that to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But TikTok is one hundred and seventy five million users,

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<v Speaker 1>two thirds of young adults, one third of adults over

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<v Speaker 1>the age of twenty five are on TikTok, along with

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<v Speaker 1>aliens of businesses. And I think the Trumpsters are the

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<v Speaker 1>deal he's going to do something to delay at sixty

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<v Speaker 1>to ninety days and try to work it out. And

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<v Speaker 1>is that the way you see things you going with TikTok?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Your analysis on why TikTok is a dangerous spot on right.

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<v Speaker 3>There was all the things about oh, they know where

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<v Speaker 3>you are and they know your metadata on your phone

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<v Speaker 3>and being sent back to China, which is true, and

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<v Speaker 3>then everybody goes, why do I care? Like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't really Really The issue is is that the

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<v Speaker 3>Chinese Communist Party gets to decide what Americans are seeing,

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<v Speaker 3>and they used that to sew.

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<v Speaker 2>Division in America.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw that during the campus protests and the pro

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<v Speaker 3>Hamas rallies post October seventh. It's why young people became

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<v Speaker 3>so anti Semitic and so anti Israel and so pro

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<v Speaker 3>Hamas would be. They were being said this diet by

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<v Speaker 3>the Chinese Communist Party. So you're right, during the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 3>we wouldn't have left the Soviet Union O CBS and

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<v Speaker 3>the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, and

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<v Speaker 3>we wouldn't have let the Germany during World War Two.

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<v Speaker 2>I see it a little differently.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the Chinese have shown and they've said this,

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<v Speaker 3>We'd rather shut TikTok down than sell it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've said that, which tells.

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<v Speaker 3>You that it's not about a business, which proves them

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<v Speaker 3>as liars. You know, the Chinese are lying when their

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<v Speaker 3>lips are moving. I'm I am unclear why Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>would allow something that is so dangerous and bad for

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<v Speaker 3>America to continue to operate for a single day. Shut

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<v Speaker 3>it down, Okay, get leverage over the Chinese, and then

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<v Speaker 3>if they want to sell it, fine, No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>No one's going to go hungry in America because TikTok

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<v Speaker 3>is shut down while this art of the deal is

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<v Speaker 3>being done.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and so we'll see what occurs.

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<v Speaker 1>The communist red Chinese have about a one trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>per year budget does surplus with America. That is that

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<v Speaker 1>they sell us a trillion dollars more things than we

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<v Speaker 1>sell them. And so the idea that in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>the marketplace eighty ninety percent of our pharmaceuticals all come

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<v Speaker 1>from China. They control large parts of the American economy.

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<v Speaker 1>They also have billions of dollars worth of US Treasury notes,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also have TikTok in which they're gathering the algorithms.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gathering all the personal data of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five million Americans to be used against them. It's

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<v Speaker 1>incredible how we let this to happen. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>a set up perfectly for Donald Trump on Monday, on

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<v Speaker 1>inaugural Day. Somehow this is the art of the deal,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is right in his swing house because he

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<v Speaker 1>now knows that he can do something. And there's Americans

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<v Speaker 1>who want to buy it, including mister Wonderful on CNBC.

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<v Speaker 4>They want to buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe Red China will say, you know what, We're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to we shut it down completely, in which

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<v Speaker 1>case the market will find another outlet.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct. The market always wins.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a lot more confidence in Donald Trump's ability

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<v Speaker 3>to pull this off than I do, because I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's a there's another Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm a journalist.

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<v Speaker 3>My job is to be skeptical, right. I'm not pro Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not anti Trump. I'm my job is to just

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<v Speaker 3>tell you what's happening and why it's happening. The Chinese

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<v Speaker 3>have enormous influence over Elon Musk because of Tesla lithium

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<v Speaker 2>Market in China.

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<v Speaker 3>Without China, Tesla is in a world of hurt as

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<v Speaker 3>a company. And most of Elon Musk's wealth comes from Tesla,

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<v Speaker 3>the vast majority of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there there are some there are.

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<v Speaker 3>Some pressure points on Donald Trump that I think over

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<v Speaker 3>the next six months to twelve months are going to

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<v Speaker 3>become very clear. And there's there is this big break

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<v Speaker 3>inside his administration.

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<v Speaker 2>You have Marco Rubio yesterday, who made the point.

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<v Speaker 3>You made about pharmaceuticals, about our debt, about China's aggression

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<v Speaker 3>in Asia, about their course of you know, their corsion

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<v Speaker 3>around the world to try and heal countries away from

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<v Speaker 3>being allies with America, and he gave a big warning

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<v Speaker 3>in ten years America will essentially exist at China's willingness

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<v Speaker 3>and at their behest. That's really dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>And again this idea, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump said, I have a soft spot for TikTok.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why you would have a soft spot

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<v Speaker 3>for something that is so so bad for America and

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<v Speaker 3>so and run so completely by America's adversary dot dot

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<v Speaker 3>dot And I again, mister wonderful can do whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really care.

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<v Speaker 3>My issue is why would why would you if you

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<v Speaker 3>want leverage over China.

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<v Speaker 2>Shut it down. Call their bluff on day one, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we can negotiate later. You give this a reprieve.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you are handing China a win on day one.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see in the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>What occurs to shut down at midnight on Sunday and

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<v Speaker 1>the Monday morning twelve later.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to give you, We're going to give you

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<v Speaker 2>the real kicker here. Yes, may shut down. All All

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<v Speaker 2>the law says.

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<v Speaker 3>Is we're going to remove it must be removed from

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<v Speaker 3>the app store. So the one hundred and seventy million

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<v Speaker 3>Americans who have it on their phones can keep it

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<v Speaker 3>on their phones and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Can keep using it. The people who said they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to shut it down or the Chinese because they

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<v Speaker 3>want to force the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the Trumpster's got a decision if they shut

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<v Speaker 1>it down. Does your crystal ball tell you that Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>will shut down an app actually do what they said

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to do. I don't think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>shut it down. I think they won't take any new users.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let it play out. That's my prediction.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Chinese.

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<v Speaker 3>Play a game of chess that is so unbelievably aggressive.

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<v Speaker 2>And they think that they can play us, and by

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<v Speaker 2>giving any kind of reprieve to me is an enormous.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a mistake, but he well, actually, I say

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<v Speaker 3>that giving the Chinese any kind of reprieve until they

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<v Speaker 3>meaningfully change how they act is an enormous mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move to page two. Is this an

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<v Speaker 1>historical presidency? And I'll make this argument to you Leland

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<v Speaker 1>Witderte of News Nation that when I look at what

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has done the past ten years in politics,

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<v Speaker 1>it's historically unpresidented. In twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, he took

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<v Speaker 1>down the Bush dynasty dynasty which was of course Jeff Bush.

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<v Speaker 4>He was done.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the Obama wanted the continuation of the third

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<v Speaker 1>Obama term with Hillary Clinton. He defeated the Bushes, then

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<v Speaker 1>he defeated the Obamas. Then here comes Hillary Clinton, Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton entitled presidency. Took down the Clintons, and then came

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been in office for more

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<v Speaker 1>than a half a century, one way or another. Took

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<v Speaker 1>down the Bidens, he took down the Cheney's, he took

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<v Speaker 1>down Nancy Pelosi that won't even come to the inaugural,

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<v Speaker 1>which is who cares? But the point is the Bushes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Obama, the Clinton's, the Cheneye, the Biden's, Nancy Pelosi

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<v Speaker 1>all fall beneath the mighty boot of Donald Trump. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, Okay, could some businessman out of New

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<v Speaker 4>The answer is not is only yes as hell? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this an historical moment taking place on Monday when

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<v Speaker 1>he takes the presidency again?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, frankly, anytime America gets a new president, it's historical.

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<v Speaker 3>Will Donald Trump go down in history as a unique

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<v Speaker 3>inflection point?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is? I think what you're pointing out in American history? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 3>And you went through the list of sort of things

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<v Speaker 3>and enforces in American politics that he has vanquished.

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<v Speaker 2>It is absurdly impressive. Friday Night Tonight and then Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>Night again.

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<v Speaker 3>NewsNation presents Bill O'Reilly United States of Trump, where we

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<v Speaker 3>go through all this. I interviewed Bill O'Reilly, He's known

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<v Speaker 3>Trump for thirty five years, unbelievable access, an insight into

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<v Speaker 3>was you would call him the Trumpster? And what motivates him,

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<v Speaker 3>what the dangers are.

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<v Speaker 2>Ahead on and on. Uh yes, yes, it's historical. I

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<v Speaker 2>get that.

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<v Speaker 3>The one thing I would caution Americans about, you know

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<v Speaker 3>that that old line which is forever true, this too

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<v Speaker 2>Number one, right, and number and number two. Okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you know, Donald Trump. Donald Trump's presidency was chugging

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<v Speaker 2>along just fine in twenty nineteen and into twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>and then COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit, for which he was uniquely I should say, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>probably unprepared to deal with. And uh yes, there were

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of forces against him that that that worked

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<v Speaker 3>against him and sort of you know, wanted to use

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<v Speaker 3>COVID to get him out of office. But I think what's

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<v Speaker 3>most historical about right now, and I think you'll agree

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<v Speaker 3>with me on this is how the resistance to Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump in the media, in corporate America, and in tech,

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<v Speaker 3>which in twenty seventeen, those three groups coalesced around stopping

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump at all costs.

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<v Speaker 2>That resistance that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like a glacier was put in the microwave over

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<v Speaker 3>the past three months. I'm looking, I'm looking out right

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<v Speaker 3>now in my window at the founder of Starbucks. Find

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<v Speaker 3>me a more liberal company than Starbucks. His yacht is

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<v Speaker 3>here for the inauguration.

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<v Speaker 1>N Zuckerberg and all the Olive Garks that supported Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved the oligarchs when they were with him. He

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<v Speaker 1>hates him now that he's against him, including the entire

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party. This waxes and Wayne's hell. In nineteen sixty four,

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't find a Republican with a search war, and

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<v Speaker 1>four years later Nixon was elected, and these things that

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<v Speaker 1>went back and forth all the time. So who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to be like in four years. But if

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<v Speaker 1>he has a successful presidency, then JD. Vans will likely

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<v Speaker 1>be elected president and get an eight year run.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, thanks Cunningham. Yeah, I'm gonna get you.

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<v Speaker 3>Go and get me on the record. Okay, now I'm

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<v Speaker 3>getting you on the record. The governor of Ohio announces

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<v Speaker 3>his pick for the United States Senate at one pm Eastern.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe we're talking at eleven fifteen am.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, who does the wine pick?

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<v Speaker 1>My crystal ball, says Lieutenant Governor John Eusted. For this

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<v Speaker 1>reason that Viveke Ramaswami was encouraged by Trump to take

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate seat. But Mavek has told many, including yours surely,

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<v Speaker 1>that his real goal is to become the governor of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>And when John Houston, who has got all the backing

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<v Speaker 1>of the powers that be in Ohio to be the

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<v Speaker 1>next governor, decides okay, I'll switch to the Senate. That

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<v Speaker 1>leaves the path of Viveke Ramaswami clearly open to become

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<v Speaker 1>the next governor. He can spend the next year in Doge,

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<v Speaker 1>going around and around with Elon Musk, and then come

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<v Speaker 1>to Ohio where he's from. He went to school about

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<v Speaker 1>five miles f where I broadcast from it, a place

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<v Speaker 1>called Sanex High School. Grew up in Springfield Township. He

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<v Speaker 1>lives in Columbus now, and then he can become the

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to do something.

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<v Speaker 4>And I harkened back to the two.

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<v Speaker 1>Conversations I had one with George Bonovitch wanted to Mike DeWine.

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<v Speaker 1>Both have been governor for eight years, and both had

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<v Speaker 1>been in the Senate for eight years. And I asked

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<v Speaker 1>him both separately. Of course, I said governor of Vanovitch.

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<v Speaker 1>What's a better job, he said, I asked him Senate

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<v Speaker 1>or governor. He says, there's no question about it. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knows being a governor is better because you can do

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<v Speaker 1>something with a Senate you can't. You can advocate, you win,

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<v Speaker 1>you lose your horse trade. Mike Dwaine told me the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing about three weeks three months ago. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy I'm not in the Senate. I hated

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<v Speaker 1>it there, all the horse dealing, all the crap you

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<v Speaker 1>had to put up with. I love being the governor.

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<v Speaker 4>And viveg.

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<v Speaker 1>Garamaswami has listened to that advice that's saying, oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>can actually do something in Ohio. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be John Houston and then Viveke Garamaswami will

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<v Speaker 1>say he's going to run for the governorship. That's my prediction.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard it here first, all right, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>run once again. Uh, Leland Vetter, congratulations. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a promotion to prime time nine pm,

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<v Speaker 1>money through Friday on News Nation. I'll be watching tonight

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<v Speaker 1>and once again Leland Vitter, thank you for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Leland. Thanks Bill, God

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<v Speaker 1>bless America. Let's continue with more. And that's my prediction.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sticking to it until after one o'clock. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to hear the news conference live. According to Tony bender,

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<v Speaker 1>so at that point, well know, but that's my prediction.

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<v Speaker 1>Could things switch up, absolutely, But I think the stars

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<v Speaker 1>are aligning for John Houston, the Lieutenant Governor, to get

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<v Speaker 1>appointed to the Senate and get him there immediately because

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<v Speaker 1>the votes next week are going to be gigantic. And

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<v Speaker 1>then secondly, Vivek has a gig already come back to

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<v Speaker 1>Ohian about a year and away you go. Bill Cunningham,

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