Speaker 1: Bill cunning in the Great American. Of course, Leland vitteris
Speaker 1: with News Nation. He's moving to seven pm to nine
Speaker 1: pm on News Nation Monday through Friday. On balance, so
Speaker 1: much more going on and Leland vinter welcome again to
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, leaving the
Speaker 1: decision came out this morning from the US Supreme Court
Speaker 1: to give constitutional authority in a sense to the Congress
Speaker 1: that passed a ban on TikTok that takes effect at
Speaker 1: midnight on Sunday. Between now and then the Kulbi, two
Speaker 1: or three things happen. Biden has said he's going to
Speaker 1: leave it up to the next administration. Trump has said, well,
Speaker 1: it needs to be owned by an American business. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine during the heyday of the USSR if the
Speaker 1: Russians who would control CBS Evening News and the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal. I don't think we would allow that to happen.
Speaker 1: But TikTok is one hundred and seventy five million users,
Speaker 1: two thirds of young adults, one third of adults over
Speaker 1: the age of twenty five are on TikTok, along with
Speaker 1: aliens of businesses. And I think the Trumpsters are the
Speaker 1: deal he's going to do something to delay at sixty
Speaker 1: to ninety days and try to work it out. And
Speaker 1: is that the way you see things you going with TikTok?
Speaker 2: Well, I think.
Speaker 3: Your analysis on why TikTok is a dangerous spot on right.
Speaker 3: There was all the things about oh, they know where
Speaker 3: you are and they know your metadata on your phone
Speaker 3: and being sent back to China, which is true, and
Speaker 3: then everybody goes, why do I care? Like you know,
Speaker 3: it didn't really Really The issue is is that the
Speaker 3: Chinese Communist Party gets to decide what Americans are seeing,
Speaker 3: and they used that to sew.
Speaker 2: Division in America.
Speaker 3: We saw that during the campus protests and the pro
Speaker 3: Hamas rallies post October seventh. It's why young people became
Speaker 3: so anti Semitic and so anti Israel and so pro
Speaker 3: Hamas would be. They were being said this diet by
Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist Party. So you're right, during the Cold War,
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have left the Soviet Union O CBS and
Speaker 3: the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, and
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have let the Germany during World War Two.
Speaker 2: I see it a little differently.
Speaker 3: I think that the Chinese have shown and they've said this,
Speaker 3: We'd rather shut TikTok down than sell it.
Speaker 2: And they've said that, which tells.
Speaker 3: You that it's not about a business, which proves them
Speaker 3: as liars. You know, the Chinese are lying when their
Speaker 3: lips are moving. I'm I am unclear why Donald Trump
Speaker 3: would allow something that is so dangerous and bad for
Speaker 3: America to continue to operate for a single day. Shut
Speaker 3: it down, Okay, get leverage over the Chinese, and then
Speaker 3: if they want to sell it, fine, No, no, no,
Speaker 3: No one's going to go hungry in America because TikTok
Speaker 3: is shut down while this art of the deal is
Speaker 3: being done.
Speaker 4: Right, and so we'll see what occurs.
Speaker 1: The communist red Chinese have about a one trillion dollars
Speaker 1: per year budget does surplus with America. That is that
Speaker 1: they sell us a trillion dollars more things than we
Speaker 1: sell them. And so the idea that in addition to
Speaker 1: the marketplace eighty ninety percent of our pharmaceuticals all come
Speaker 1: from China. They control large parts of the American economy.
Speaker 1: They also have billions of dollars worth of US Treasury notes,
Speaker 1: and they also have TikTok in which they're gathering the algorithms.
Speaker 1: They're gathering all the personal data of one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five million Americans to be used against them. It's
Speaker 1: incredible how we let this to happen. And this is
Speaker 1: a set up perfectly for Donald Trump on Monday, on
Speaker 1: inaugural Day. Somehow this is the art of the deal,
Speaker 1: and this is right in his swing house because he
Speaker 1: now knows that he can do something. And there's Americans
Speaker 1: who want to buy it, including mister Wonderful on CNBC.
Speaker 4: They want to buy it.
Speaker 1: But maybe Red China will say, you know what, We're
Speaker 1: not going to we shut it down completely, in which
Speaker 1: case the market will find another outlet.
Speaker 4: Correct. The market always wins.
Speaker 3: You have a lot more confidence in Donald Trump's ability
Speaker 3: to pull this off than I do, because I think
Speaker 3: there's a there's another Well.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm a journalist.
Speaker 3: My job is to be skeptical, right. I'm not pro Trump,
Speaker 3: I'm not anti Trump. I'm my job is to just
Speaker 3: tell you what's happening and why it's happening. The Chinese
Speaker 3: have enormous influence over Elon Musk because of Tesla lithium
Speaker 3: supplies for Tesla batteries and because of Tesla's.
Speaker 2: Market in China.
Speaker 3: Without China, Tesla is in a world of hurt as
Speaker 3: a company. And most of Elon Musk's wealth comes from Tesla,
Speaker 3: the vast majority of it.
Speaker 2: So there there are some there are.
Speaker 3: Some pressure points on Donald Trump that I think over
Speaker 3: the next six months to twelve months are going to
Speaker 3: become very clear. And there's there is this big break
Speaker 3: inside his administration.
Speaker 2: You have Marco Rubio yesterday, who made the point.
Speaker 3: You made about pharmaceuticals, about our debt, about China's aggression
Speaker 3: in Asia, about their course of you know, their corsion
Speaker 3: around the world to try and heal countries away from
Speaker 3: being allies with America, and he gave a big warning
Speaker 3: in ten years America will essentially exist at China's willingness
Speaker 3: and at their behest. That's really dangerous.
Speaker 2: And again this idea, you know.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump said, I have a soft spot for TikTok.
Speaker 3: I don't know why you would have a soft spot
Speaker 3: for something that is so so bad for America and
Speaker 3: so and run so completely by America's adversary dot dot
Speaker 3: dot And I again, mister wonderful can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I don't really care.
Speaker 3: My issue is why would why would you if you
Speaker 3: want leverage over China.
Speaker 2: Shut it down. Call their bluff on day one, okay,
Speaker 2: and then we can negotiate later. You give this a reprieve.
Speaker 3: Okay, you are handing China a win on day one.
Speaker 4: We'll see in the next couple of days.
Speaker 1: What occurs to shut down at midnight on Sunday and
Speaker 1: the Monday morning twelve later.
Speaker 2: You want to give you, We're going to give you
Speaker 2: the real kicker here. Yes, may shut down. All All
Speaker 2: the law says.
Speaker 3: Is we're going to remove it must be removed from
Speaker 3: the app store. So the one hundred and seventy million
Speaker 3: Americans who have it on their phones can keep it
Speaker 3: on their phones and they.
Speaker 2: Can keep using it. The people who said they're.
Speaker 3: Going to shut it down or the Chinese because they
Speaker 3: want to force the issue.
Speaker 1: And so the Trumpster's got a decision if they shut
Speaker 1: it down. Does your crystal ball tell you that Chinese
Speaker 1: will shut down an app actually do what they said
Speaker 1: they're going to do. I don't think they're going to
Speaker 1: shut it down. I think they won't take any new users.
Speaker 1: Just let it play out. That's my prediction.
Speaker 2: I think the Chinese.
Speaker 3: Play a game of chess that is so unbelievably aggressive.
Speaker 2: And they think that they can play us, and by
Speaker 2: giving any kind of reprieve to me is an enormous.
Speaker 3: I was a mistake, but he well, actually, I say
Speaker 3: that giving the Chinese any kind of reprieve until they
Speaker 3: meaningfully change how they act is an enormous mistake.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to page two. Is this an
Speaker 1: historical presidency? And I'll make this argument to you Leland
Speaker 1: Witderte of News Nation that when I look at what
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has done the past ten years in politics,
Speaker 1: it's historically unpresidented. In twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, he took
Speaker 1: down the Bush dynasty dynasty which was of course Jeff Bush.
Speaker 4: He was done.
Speaker 1: And then the Obama wanted the continuation of the third
Speaker 1: Obama term with Hillary Clinton. He defeated the Bushes, then
Speaker 1: he defeated the Obamas. Then here comes Hillary Clinton, Bill
Speaker 1: Clinton entitled presidency. Took down the Clintons, and then came
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been in office for more
Speaker 1: than a half a century, one way or another. Took
Speaker 1: down the Bidens, he took down the Cheney's, he took
Speaker 1: down Nancy Pelosi that won't even come to the inaugural,
Speaker 1: which is who cares? But the point is the Bushes,
Speaker 1: the Obama, the Clinton's, the Cheneye, the Biden's, Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: all fall beneath the mighty boot of Donald Trump. And
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Okay, could some businessman out of New
Speaker 1: York City pull this one off?
Speaker 4: The answer is not is only yes as hell? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is this an historical moment taking place on Monday when
Speaker 1: he takes the presidency again?
Speaker 3: Well, frankly, anytime America gets a new president, it's historical.
Speaker 3: Will Donald Trump go down in history as a unique
Speaker 3: inflection point?
Speaker 2: Which is? I think what you're pointing out in American history? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: And you went through the list of sort of things
Speaker 3: and enforces in American politics that he has vanquished.
Speaker 2: It is absurdly impressive. Friday Night Tonight and then Sunday
Speaker 2: Night again.
Speaker 3: NewsNation presents Bill O'Reilly United States of Trump, where we
Speaker 3: go through all this. I interviewed Bill O'Reilly, He's known
Speaker 3: Trump for thirty five years, unbelievable access, an insight into
Speaker 3: was you would call him the Trumpster? And what motivates him,
Speaker 3: what the dangers are.
Speaker 2: Ahead on and on. Uh yes, yes, it's historical. I
Speaker 2: get that.
Speaker 3: The one thing I would caution Americans about, you know
Speaker 3: that that old line which is forever true, this too
Speaker 3: shall pass.
Speaker 2: Number one, right, and number and number two. Okay, we'll
Speaker 2: see you know, Donald Trump. Donald Trump's presidency was chugging
Speaker 2: along just fine in twenty nineteen and into twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and then COVID.
Speaker 3: Hit, for which he was uniquely I should say, uh,
Speaker 3: probably unprepared to deal with. And uh yes, there were
Speaker 3: a lot of forces against him that that that worked
Speaker 3: against him and sort of you know, wanted to use
Speaker 3: COVID to get him out of office. But I think what's
Speaker 3: most historical about right now, and I think you'll agree
Speaker 3: with me on this is how the resistance to Donald
Speaker 3: Trump in the media, in corporate America, and in tech,
Speaker 3: which in twenty seventeen, those three groups coalesced around stopping
Speaker 3: Donald Trump at all costs.
Speaker 2: That resistance that.
Speaker 3: Was like a glacier was put in the microwave over
Speaker 3: the past three months. I'm looking, I'm looking out right
Speaker 3: now in my window at the founder of Starbucks. Find
Speaker 3: me a more liberal company than Starbucks. His yacht is
Speaker 3: here for the inauguration.
Speaker 1: N Zuckerberg and all the Olive Garks that supported Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: He loved the oligarchs when they were with him. He
Speaker 1: hates him now that he's against him, including the entire
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. This waxes and Wayne's hell. In nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 1: you couldn't find a Republican with a search war, and
Speaker 1: four years later Nixon was elected, and these things that
Speaker 1: went back and forth all the time. So who knows
Speaker 1: what's going to be like in four years. But if
Speaker 1: he has a successful presidency, then JD. Vans will likely
Speaker 1: be elected president and get an eight year run.
Speaker 2: Now, thanks Cunningham. Yeah, I'm gonna get you.
Speaker 3: Go and get me on the record. Okay, now I'm
Speaker 3: getting you on the record. The governor of Ohio announces
Speaker 3: his pick for the United States Senate at one pm Eastern.
Speaker 3: I believe we're talking at eleven fifteen am.
Speaker 2: Yes, who does the wine pick?
Speaker 1: My crystal ball, says Lieutenant Governor John Eusted. For this
Speaker 1: reason that Viveke Ramaswami was encouraged by Trump to take
Speaker 1: the Senate seat. But Mavek has told many, including yours surely,
Speaker 1: that his real goal is to become the governor of Ohio.
Speaker 1: And when John Houston, who has got all the backing
Speaker 1: of the powers that be in Ohio to be the
Speaker 1: next governor, decides okay, I'll switch to the Senate. That
Speaker 1: leaves the path of Viveke Ramaswami clearly open to become
Speaker 1: the next governor. He can spend the next year in Doge,
Speaker 1: going around and around with Elon Musk, and then come
Speaker 1: to Ohio where he's from. He went to school about
Speaker 1: five miles f where I broadcast from it, a place
Speaker 1: called Sanex High School. Grew up in Springfield Township. He
Speaker 1: lives in Columbus now, and then he can become the
Speaker 1: He wants to do something.
Speaker 4: And I harkened back to the two.
Speaker 1: Conversations I had one with George Bonovitch wanted to Mike DeWine.
Speaker 1: Both have been governor for eight years, and both had
Speaker 1: been in the Senate for eight years. And I asked
Speaker 1: him both separately. Of course, I said governor of Vanovitch.
Speaker 1: What's a better job, he said, I asked him Senate
Speaker 1: or governor. He says, there's no question about it. Everyone
Speaker 1: knows being a governor is better because you can do
Speaker 1: something with a Senate you can't. You can advocate, you win,
Speaker 1: you lose your horse trade. Mike Dwaine told me the
Speaker 1: same thing about three weeks three months ago. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy I'm not in the Senate. I hated
Speaker 1: it there, all the horse dealing, all the crap you
Speaker 1: had to put up with. I love being the governor.
Speaker 4: And viveg.
Speaker 1: Garamaswami has listened to that advice that's saying, oh, you
Speaker 1: can actually do something in Ohio. So I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be John Houston and then Viveke Garamaswami will
Speaker 1: say he's going to run for the governorship. That's my prediction.
Speaker 1: You heard it here first, all right, we got to
Speaker 1: run once again. Uh, Leland Vetter, congratulations. I guess it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a promotion to prime time nine pm,
Speaker 1: money through Friday on News Nation. I'll be watching tonight
Speaker 1: and once again Leland Vitter, thank you for coming on
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Leland. Thanks Bill, God
Speaker 1: bless America. Let's continue with more. And that's my prediction.
Speaker 1: I'm sticking to it until after one o'clock. We're going
Speaker 1: to hear the news conference live. According to Tony bender,
Speaker 1: so at that point, well know, but that's my prediction.
Speaker 1: Could things switch up, absolutely, But I think the stars
Speaker 1: are aligning for John Houston, the Lieutenant Governor, to get
Speaker 1: appointed to the Senate and get him there immediately because
Speaker 1: the votes next week are going to be gigantic. And
Speaker 1: then secondly, Vivek has a gig already come back to
Speaker 1: Ohian about a year and away you go. Bill Cunningham,
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