Speaker 1: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping
his wing big down in the forest. Man, it gonna
cause a tree fold letting five thousand miles away. Man,
nobody's seen. Nobody else you might see you know, need No,
man don't like you another story and.
Speaker 2: You got back to that's man got black and dag.
Speaker 1: On the panel. Man, you don't better?
Speaker 2: Man, I know, Stormy, welcome back to Jay Burn and
show how you doing.
Speaker 1: Man doing great? Man.
Speaker 2: I want you to know I'm really biting my inclinations
to name this something along the lines of like Jay
and Stormy explain the secrets to the universe, or like
it's actually really dead, and then just you and I
talk about cards for an hour.
Speaker 1: I bet you could probably get people at least three
or four times because it's me. People will actually be like, oh, Stormy, no,
tell us what the geopolitical situation is. Wait a second,
All right, any minute, there're any minute they're going to talk.
Speaker 2: We're going to get around doing it. That's the thing is,
like I think you and I had a conversation like
a few days after our our last recording where it's
just like okay, like we all admit, like, the situation's
not looking good. No, you on multiple metrics. But also
if that's all you talk about, you will go insane.
And so, uh we just decided to talk about cars
for an hour.
Speaker 1: Now plan other than that everyone looked into like my
episode with Pete on cognitive warfare, and you'll explain why
it's it'll explain why it's a very big deal. When
you're angry, you're literally dumber, and your decision making becomes
very easy to track. So even if you're an autist
and I don't have time for cars, I don't have
time for I need to know what's happening and monitor
the situation like, actually, no, it's making you more stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean clearly, and I think you see that.
I mean just on the timeline. Yeah, Understandably, people are
understandably upset, Like I get it, we're to be blunt,
we're getting shafted. But at the same time, it's like, well,
I don't know, man, Like I can't do anything about it,
you know, like ya, who's not talking to me? You know,
despite claims to the contrary. Uh So, like you know,
at a certain point, additional anger is you're really only
driving your blood pressure up, and I say, this is
someone who is very much guilty of reading almost everything
that Markle then writes because it is kind of funny, but.
Speaker 1: It is you've actually gotten me to start doing it. Bro,
I think we ended last episode like, yeah, Mark Levin
is actually a really funny followed like now, I.
Speaker 2: Honestly the one who's who's slightly better in my mind
is John pod Horts, Okay, a raving lunatic. Before I
forget he called like I think he was calling Tom
Woods like an antichrist, anarchist or something like that.
Speaker 1: They just get to use words, however they're they're like women,
like they don't even care what things mean, and then
they look at you like you're an asshole for caring
what these things be.
Speaker 2: Well, as a wise man on Fortune once said, women
are the Jews of genders, So maybe there's there's something.
Speaker 1: There anybody that wants a good time. Just I'm pulling
up John pod Horts now and after after my Mark
Levin follow. Whenever I follow a gentleman like this, I
just immediately hit the search for because they're boomers too,
so like they're on social media being insane, but they
don't quite know how to use social media or basically
or how social media operates, and they don't delete stuff
that they should delete, or they don't think like, oh
oh no, they know about X shut it down, Like
they don't think like I should probably check my timeline
because a tertiary search of the word goiam on John
pod Hortz's timeline is I will it's a good time.
Speaker 2: And it's not just that it is really any objectionable word,
like whether it's a swear word, there's some sort of
you know, insult to someone's sexuality. You will see this man,
who is at one point one of the foremost you know,
editors in America, saying the craziest things in response to
the most minor provocation like go just as an example,
like you know Megan Kelly, who I don't I don't
watch Megan Kelly, I don't really care about her. Basically
was like, I don't know, guys, I don't think this
war is a good idea, and you know, refuse to
just denounce everyone that she was asked to any Parko
ben like calling her like all sorts of slurs on
the internet, you know, saying she's like a slut for
like a geopolitics take. It's insane.
Speaker 1: He's a really listen to this. You know that that
catholic milf that went on Tucker Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really know who she is, but I'm familiar.
Speaker 1: You need to do I but she's hot for an
old lady. But here's John pod Horce's take. Look a
meeting of the Jew hater league. Maybe they can run
off together and have beautiful little Nazi babies together.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, oh, I have the I have the exact quote.
This is this is the one I was looking for.
This is uh, actually I can't tell if he was insulting.
Oh no, it was Mega Kelly speaking about this woman
Carrie Bowler. Or he said it's because she's a poisonous
and psychotic anti Semite.
Speaker 1: Like you.
Speaker 2: You load some clickbait horror, which you know is quite
a strong response for you know, just anyway, an insane person,
highly right.
Speaker 1: John pod horror. It seems to have taken a special
interest in our mutual friend of the show's Darryl Cooper.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, well, apparently there is there is nobody
You will not launch insane insults that.
Speaker 1: Poor Ryan, Poor Ryan Grimm, Poor Ryan grim Ryan Grimm
is about the most pathetic of a man that you
can get, and John bud Horrens is like, oh, well,
you guy just went and got yourself a Nazi tattoo.
Like he's he's hypothesizing whether Ryan Grimm is hiding a
Nazi tattoo on that somewhere on his soft, squishy, terrible
haircut having body, but like a secret Nazi tattoo. But
he's like, or well, you may as well have yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's it is. There is nobody he will not
pick a fight with and then immediately go to like
truckstop bathroom level insults m H. And I will say
he is making me like people I don't normally care about, Yes,
where I'm like, oh, that's a that's a rough situation.
Why would you ever be so mean to I guess
Megan Kelly, who I really don't have any opinions on.
It seems to just be just these kind of like
moderate you know, kind of like normal TV conservatives. Uh.
Speaker 1: Actually, let's let's this is why I'm not. I'm mad
at this. This is my medication. I think about this often.
What would I rather have a Trump administration waddling through
the you know, the presidency doing some of the stuff
we wanted because you know, we always knew there was
going to be like a compromise and he was going
to get some of the stuff done, you know, a
lot of immigrations or whatever. Right, So what I want
a four years of let's say, like half measures, but
good measures, I mean created those half measures would be
more than any presence ever done in my lifetime. Or
would I am rather have the world waking up to
things that only four chan knew in a period of
about two weeks and then four years of whatever that
turns out. Like, I mean, John pod Horritz has made
more national socialist enthusiasts in two weeks than I ever could.
Speaker 2: And I try that's a very very valid point story.
Like to find that remark, I just looked up on
the like you know search function on Twitter, John pod
Horts or of course it is so funny. It's like
a legitimate insane person. I mean to your point. So
you know, if you at home, dear listener, are feeling
a little burnt out, I highly recommend it. It's hilarious
and every word you search leads to really funny responses.
Speaker 1: And here I was thinking that Jay burden had peaked
by telling me that I need to go check out
Mark Levin because I thought when I got to Mark
Levin that was comedy. But now I know that I
have a whole new world waiting for me when I
get this call, there's there's another one. Uhas I can
find her? What about I don't. I don't know that.
Speaker 2: So are you even with this woman? Sloan uh ramuth
r A c h m U.
Speaker 1: T h Uh.
Speaker 2: She's another rabid lunatic. Let's just try the old John
Portz tricks. See if I can find a Uh.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is that all of the woke
stuff goes out the window instantly, like we're calling we're
calling women just filthy horrors. Now, yeah, this is okay.
Speaker 2: This is resuronding. I can't even read this. This is insane.
Speaker 1: Podhorns and word drop.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently Ma's uh Mmdannie's girl was going hard in
the paint ten years ago. Did you see that minor story?
Speaker 1: No, no hard rs in the paint?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she called people faggots, like going crazy.
Speaker 1: Uh wow, wow, that's what I would say in middle
school to someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a middle aged woman. Uh just
you know, out out defending Israel on rumble dot com.
Speaker 1: These are the grown ups. The grown ups are back
in charge. Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I got nothing. She also says that apparently
the uh University of Florida College Republicans worship Hitler.
Speaker 1: Uh this is.
Speaker 2: Like things out in there. Yeah, it's like I was
out informed. Didn't tell me at the meeting. Well, anyways,
the story we've successfully wasted twelve minutes that haven't mentioned
a single thing about cars.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not my fault. America can't make a pretty car. No.
Speaker 2: Well, I I was thinking about that, like, Okay, you know,
what are the prettiest cars of let's just say, like
the last thirty years. And honestly, the thing that came
to mind is I think they're like one and a half,
which is in my mind two thousand and five for GT.
Yes a sequel, and then like the last gen Dodge Viper,
and then before that, I'm hitting like basically the sixties
before you get to like another really like actually pretty car.
Speaker 1: And I will get a lot of flak for this,
but muscle cars aren't pretty. Muscle cars are cool, Yeah,
it's not beautiful, right, Like I mean and I'm I
no offense, Bobby, if you are listening, I don't. I
don't mean it however way you're probably interpreting it. But
they're just they are cool, like in the same way
like a man can't be pretty, right, Like they're chad
and masculine and muscly cool. They're cool like leather motorcycle
jacket cool. But they're not beautiful, like stop you in
your tracks, bite the back of even the Shelby Cobra,
it's not well like I.
Speaker 2: Would maybe make the argument that the like the Shelby
Daytona right though, like swept back one. That's that's a
beautiful car.
Speaker 1: But was that actually like a car we produced though?
I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean it was a race car, so yeah, you
know that. That's a separate conversation.
Speaker 1: I don't even consider the four GT like a car
that we produced. Produced. We went to Europe, we're getting
our teeth kicked in and we're like, all right, we
need to just make these, but we're only going to
make them for racing like that. I mean the Cobra
actually was produced, produced barely but produced. But I mean, like,
we haven't made a pretty car that people could buy
in a in a really long time. I think since
the thirties. Yeah, I mean I might.
Speaker 2: I'm quite partial to some of though again that's that same.
It's a tough look, right like the sixties Cadillacs and
even a lot of the kind of more normal sixties cards,
like I think of like a like a New Yorker
or like a you know, a Galaxy. It's like, again,
that's that kind of tough look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is like then the Toyota two
thousand comes over in like the sixties. Yeahies were like,
oh what the is this? Wow?
Speaker 2: Or the Jaguar E type Dude, I love, I genuinely
love the E type Coop. I know it's a cliched opinion,
but it is such a pretty car.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's three windshield wipers by the.
Speaker 1: Way, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I broke what not that uh working at the
collection because it's they're British of course, and it's post
war British. So like the metal urgy is awful. It
was not designed particularly well, but man it looks good.
Speaker 1: Well, It's like what's crazy is like? I think it
has to do with like it. I think nineteen fifties
was a fantastic time in America. But it wasn't American
America expressing itself right. It was kind of it was
very top down. It was good top down. It was
top down by people that cared about us kind of.
But it wasn't like I hate to use the cliche word,
but like faustian because the nineteen twenties, in the nineteen thirties,
like the cars that people were making, like these people
thought everything was possible, and you only saw that a
little bit in the nineteen fifties and very early in
the sixties, like how about we stick a jet engine
in a car? And everyone in the boardroom's like, yeah,
let's fucking do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll push I'll push back a little bit because
I don't know if if faustian or optimism is necessarily
the thing, because what you see in even fifties cars, uh,
And there's a great I can't remember what buick this is.
I think it's a it's an early sixties model. But
this is specific.
Speaker 1: It matters.
Speaker 2: I'm not just name trivia on a car I can't remember,
but the I have a very distinct memory of sitting
in one of these and the.
Speaker 1: Interior was so cool.
Speaker 2: And unique in ways that it didn't need to. So,
for instance, like the speed dial instead of being a
normal gauge you know where it goes from left to right,
it was an actual like disc that spun towards in
a way. And it's like one of those things where
it's like that doesn't matter, like that's solved technology, no
one needs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it gives you the experience of speed like
it gives it expresses speed, like somebody actually thought about that.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's a cool thing that they didn't need
to do. Like on an actuarial sense table, that doesn't
make any sense, right, What you should do is, you know,
go to some supplier and order you know, a million
different gages and use them in all your cars because
most people don't care. And that's true, but the fact
that they were taking something, even on a normal person
commuter car and saying like no, this matters, like there's
we want this to be unique in it experienced. But
I think that what you're also seeing in that transition
is the democratization of cars, right where more people were
owning them and it was a very wealthy, optimistic country
and there still was you know, albeit in kind of
a diminiscent like a coach building scene, and you know,
the big European houses were doing all kinds of crazy stuff.
But it was it was a flatter market. There were
more options for you, you know, instead of just being
like this huge gulf between you know, cars normal people
could afford, and then like aducing berg which is basically
the equivalent of like driving around an aircraft carrier now
mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean it's actually kind of funny because
like in the sixties that even started that started to
flatten further with like the options list.
Speaker 2: I well, honestly like, uh, you see too, right, And
this happened a little bit later, but the you know,
consolidation of brands and the consolidation of production where it's
like yeah, sure, you know GM and even you know
earlier Chrysler would you know basically you know, have have
a frame, build certain things off of it, have an engine.
But for a while it was like different brands were
actually very very different. Like yeah, Oldsmobile, which is actually
of all the brands that got killed, Oldsmobile is the
one I'm the most upset about.
Speaker 1: Because I don't know much about oldsenbil Oh.
Speaker 2: Oldsmobiles one of the oldest car companies in America. Uh,
I think it's nineteen. Oh, it might be still in
eighteen so let me look this up.
Speaker 1: They had the coolest logo for a while.
Speaker 2: But even up until the the uh the sixties. When
did it start? Yeah, eighteen ninety seven was when Ransom
the Olds founded that. Yeah, and like very very early
stuff like the curved dash Olds is sort of a
like a you know, a famous car uh oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they like I've been doing that in like
the twenties and teens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean to get like Oldsmobile was the
first automatic transmission, like they came up with that. So
like a pretty storied uh, pretty storied uh brand, and
even like into the sixties, like did some cool stuff
like a like the Starfire is a very pretty car
in multiple versions, but it didn't make sense to have,
you know, every different sub brand have their own engines
and have their own production, like do everything.
Speaker 1: Separately, like the four four two, which is like a buick,
like a Chevrolet, like it just got collapsed in on.
Speaker 2: Itself, yes, and it just becomes like basically a brand
that is a trim line, you know, and you know,
of course it became you know, no longer economically viable
because they'd been making old people cars.
Speaker 1: But like Cadillac, same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean Cadillac's even more different now than they.
Speaker 1: Used to be.
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, have you seen that new Cadillac
eed thing? Mm hmmm, let me find I don't know
the name.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I basically stopped paying attention to new cars in like
twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Same same same thing with super with like supercars.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, let me let me find exactly which one. Oh,
that's why I remember. It's the optic spelled O P
t IQ. Right.
Speaker 1: Hey, I want to punch like a Kia, Like, how
do we let them know it's electric? Oh? I don't,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I'm going to read out to you.
Speaker 1: We put like an IQ or we do a dash E,
just to let them in case they don't know that.
How clever this is. Now we're doing the future, okay
with electricity.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to tell you something that's going to
make you really mad. They're three electric Cadillacts, right, I'll
I'll read you. Well, there's also the electric Escalade, but
that's you know, much much less if you.
Speaker 1: Buy an electric escalade, I will find you and I
will carve your head in with a rock.
Speaker 2: Okay, Stormy, you're you're not allowed to look this up.
It's it's it got the same general naming scheme. But
what do you think the I guess it's I can't
quite del If it's a crossover, an suv, it will
say that the mid size crossover. What is it called
a true Now it's called the lyric spelled l y
r i q. It somehow looks worse. Wait, there's the
top of the line model again, same naming convention. What
do you think it's called.
Speaker 1: The d y q d y i q.
Speaker 2: No, it's called the vistic filled with a queue. I
hate it all so much.
Speaker 1: Like I bet you no more than eight women around
a conference table came up with all of this shit.
Are these even selling? Like these can't? This is the
whole thing about all of it is that none of
this ship sells. Like luckily things are worse in Germany,
like economically and where they've just been forced to give
up the electric bullshit. But this is this is like
the metaverse. I joke a lot about like when I
talk to like other investors because they'll just say, like,
especially the older ones, they'll just say words to me.
I'm like, what does that mean and be like, no, well,
we gotta we have to be focused on AI, Like
what do you mean by that? What does that actually mean?
Who's focusing on it? How are they focusing on it?
What are they focusing on it hoping it will like
you don't know what you're saying. And it was the
same thing with metaverse. It was these.
Speaker 2: Shutdown by the way, or at least the R version
of it did.
Speaker 1: Finally. Yeah, I would joke with investors, I'm like, you
want to know how stupid this type of behavior is
that you're doing. Right, It's so stupid that Mark Zuckerberg,
who you guys think is a smart guy, went over
to Davos and came back with marching orders because Abelman PR.
That's the people behind Davos. It's literally a very evil
PR company. Uh. They do a lot of PR for
certain world gou certain you know, national governments that you
may or may not be a fan of, and they
create Davos. Right, they literally set the agenda items like
what are we going to convince the billionaires? They came
up with this year and this is where you get
this top down shit from. And I'll tell people this
and they'll be like, well, you know, I think you're
being a little extreme whatever. I'm like, no, no, no, no.
Mark Zuckerbert, for the rest of his life has to
carry around the shame of blowing sixty billion dollars on
a thing nobody wanted and literally no one asked for.
And he has to carry the shame around forever because
he changed the name of his company to his biggest failure.
This would be like me changing my name to the
time that you know, I caught my ballsack in my zipper,
like the most horrible moment of my life. I'm gonna
just I'm going to go to the DMV and be like,
I would like to legally change my name to Stormy's
ballsack in his zipper, like the most painful moment of
my life. Now, every time somebody says, hey, you're the
CEO of your biggest failure you've ever done in your
whole life, you should you know. That's where all this
is from. Nobody ever asked for EVS, nobody the marketing
research because they first tried to like, you know, what
do they call it? Workshop? It where they just invite
a bunch of people from the street in and be like, hey,
would you like a car that runs on gasoline or
electricity or what? Literally no one saide electricity, Like nobody
wanted this whatsoever. And you watched every single car manufacturer,
just like Metaverse, try and roll out this thing that
nobody wanted, and it's literally just sold to these companies
by McKinsey consultants. Like nobody at GM. Everyone at GM
is just a bunch of scared women in cubicles that
are afraid to do anything wrong. Well, you know, there's
this imaginary rule set that they that they're afraid of
running a foul love. So the only thing that they're
not scared enough to do is call a consultant company,
and the consultants come in and then tell them what
they think that they should do, and then they leave.
So when they actually go and try and do this
and it all blows up in their face, the consultant
company is miles away with hundreds of millions of dollars
and absolutely no responsibility or accountability for just nuking however
much money Cadillacs pent On evs.
Speaker 2: Well, guess what there's another model, Stormy, So sorry for this.
Is it has its own website. No, no, this is
I'm I'm gonna what's a little bit of it and
then I will send it to you directly. So there's
the new quote custom commissioned, hand built, extraordinarily rare ultra
luxury sedan starting it low four hundred k uh in
the same model range. And this, dude, not only does
it have the same stupid naming convention, this sounds like
a stripper like this it does not. The name is
extraordinarily trashy in addition to being a hideous vehicle. It's
the cell Us Steep.
Speaker 1: Is it Anna Paula Luna?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll send this to you, Stormy one. The
three quarter shot of this, so like the rear quarter
is even by the standards of modern vehicles, horrible. But
there's a video I want to show you. It's just
like kind of maybe twenty five percent of the way
down where they're right after the part that says the
most advanced Cadillac ever, which one. It has a like
Tron style light up ceiling which they show in.
Speaker 1: Purple, which is real cool.
Speaker 2: But also just below that you'll notice there's a section
for the intricriately choreographed LED display sequences.
Speaker 1: Do you see that? Oh I hate you so much
for those For.
Speaker 2: Those wondering, right, Actually, you know what, I'll just show
this on screen because you'll see exactly.
Speaker 1: What I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: This is something that like would be annoying if you're
like your like fancy gaming computer, did it let alone
a four hundred thousand dollars vehicle. It's it's even by
the standards of modernity, shockingly shockingly bad taste.
Speaker 1: Sorry, they're just not allowed to do anything anymore. So
like this is the shittification that everyone talks about. Oh god, yeah,
because that's you know what this is like, this is
becoming Chinese. Yes, remember you were telling me about the
Chinese hypercars and the cool things that they can do
cool in quotation marks like what like bunny hop and
do light show Like that's what I want. I want
to spend a million dollars on a car that sucks
but can do led light shows. It shows the.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, So the the thing I'm talking about
is the Yang wang U nine.
Speaker 1: That's sure is cool. They the Yang How much does
it cost? Dude? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Apparently, according to Car News, China can leap over twenty.
Speaker 1: Feet, but they just get to say things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the video from the company shows it jumping
over caltrops. So if you are in fact worried about
you know, being you know, sort of engaging in medieval warfare,
fair enough, I guess that's the car for you. Right again,
The thing that I always think about is just the like,
the incredible changes in the.
Speaker 1: Taste of the wealthy.
Speaker 2: Right, we're like again, you know you're talking, yes, the
lack of taste. Right, you know, these these brands become global,
these trends become global, and you get globalized taste.
Speaker 1: The by d Yang wang U nine is an electrical
car that twerks and jump. Of course it does. I want,
Oh god, I just I want.
Speaker 2: It's actually it's a remarkable deal. It's a remarkable deal.
Story it is, well, at least according to Earth Earth
Cash sued I think is how you see it. It runs
it only two hundred and sixty or two hundred and
thirty six rather a thousand dollars, which means compared to
the Celestique, it's a remarkable deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, Cadillac, what the what the hell's wrong with you.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, Like the three quarter
on the Celestique is uniquely ugly.
Speaker 1: Yes, and honestly like as in like, no one that
likes cars made this. It's not AI would have done
it better. AI likes is more than these people do.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Like there are I'm not the
biggest fan of uh like current Porsche styling, but they're electric,
not graded on a curve that is. Other electric cars
looks fine, like the the GT or the Turismo. Right,
the hatchback version not a bad looking car.
Speaker 1: Nope. I actually thought about like a Panamera hatchback, the
Panama Grantoismo. Then I stopped myself, but for a while
there I thought it was pretty. I was like, I
could maybe see myself doing that.
Speaker 2: The Panamera looks better in person than it does. It's
hard to describe, but you know what I mean. It
looks weird in photos and it doesn't necessarily in person.
Speaker 1: This is actually the only this is so the only
people that have been able to pull off this brand
collapsing homogenization to where it's actually a net gain is
the Germans, because like the first Panamer, not only is
it hideous, like it. It looks like it has a
sexually transmitted disease, and people that know me personally can
go back and they'll tell you that I've been saying
that since it launched before AIDS was funny. Yeah, honestly
the Jeah look at the eight is really not bad looking. No,
it's not so pan America the poorsch Panamera like did like,
we're going to make a four door chassis and we're
going to make it go really fast and handle really
really really great. And this is why the new Bentley
is actually fun to drive and drives really really really
really really well because it's the same car. So like,
you actually have a Bentley that can go around turns
and not roll over like a fat, drunk British guy
on a too tiny bed.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I was I was about to make a
point about the Cayenne because people always say, like, oh,
the Cayenne was when Orsia collapsed, like that's when their
brand identity died. And while they're kind of right, I
actually think that especially the first trend Cayennes, like they
have a turbodiesel one that allegedly is really really good
off road. But to support that point, I was finding
other other kind of you know, sports car and supercar
manufacturers that make SUVs, and so I went to Aston's website,
right and they have which is, however, how much power
do you think a DBX makes seven hundred, seven hundred
and seventeen, which is honestly kind of astonishing.
Speaker 1: Well know why because again this is this is the
what if you owned an Aston Martin? What would your
ownership life look like? Well?
Speaker 2: For me, uh, crushing financial depression and an ignominious suicide.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean yeah, but would your Aston Martin work? No? Okay,
well I guess as exactly. So Aston Martin was never
able to make a car that was reliable. So another
thing from the brand consolidation is they started uh sticking
Mercedes engines in them. So that's why that DBS or
DBX has seven hundred horsepower, because Mercedes builds a really
good motor that you can that they throw turbos on,
and you can literally just you can be a retarded
you know, you can be a retarded conference room table
full of women and all you have to do is
turn the dial up on the boost and now you
have seven hundred horsepower. You don't even have to be clever.
I will say, uh, honestly, I know this for a
fact from having a thousand horse power literally out my window,
right out and there is a BMW that makes absolutely
no sense. Well, so you've driven in that car I have.
Speaker 2: I actually I I'm not gonna cardox you, but yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, I guess you've posted it. I love
I love GT cars. It's actually part of why I
have a soft spot in my heart for Aston's. And
I will say the Aston GT cars have survived modern
styling much better than many other brands like the New
the New Bank or the I guess the newest Vanquish
is very very pretty, and even the the Drop eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like.
Speaker 2: They are dealing with modernity very well.
Speaker 1: Yep. I almost bought a dB eleven. It was either
going to be the m E that you drove in
or at dB eleven. I literally had. There's a very
very upset man. If you're listening to this, I apologize,
but also don't dox me. Mister sales representative at Aston Martin,
North Carolina. I literally filled out all the sales paperwork,
like I had the DOCU sign in my inbox, the
sign on I just got the fun with a guy.
And then in between that period of time, all in
the span of like ten minutes, my friend at at Brahmin,
which is like a big BMW dealer slash like Rolls
Royce slash whatever whatever, which is all I mean, there's
like literally he's got like a thousand there's a thousand
dealerships across the state of Florida, so you know, good luck. Also,
he's the guy responsible for Marco Rubio, so that's a
funny connection. Yeah, oh yeah, there's a really good there's
a really good article and uh, I can't remember where
it is. I sent it to Quinonez. I should find
it and tendity that basically talks about like the rise
of Marco Rubio and yeah, this auto, this car dealership
tycoon basically financed him from like the time he was
like a state congressman all the way up. I mean,
the dude's worth several billion dollars obviously, Uh, you know,
very very Zionist inclinations and a rather unsavory for some reason,
like the overlap between guys that are adjacent to like
mobster stuff and guys that own car dealerships. We're like,
you know, chains of car dealerships is a really tight
ven diagram, Like no matter where I run into this phenomena,
but yeah, it really sketchy dude, And he's the guy
that's responsible for Mark Rubio. But anyways, a nice, a
nice guy that works at one of his dealerships called
me and was like, hey, we have an emmate that
literally just got like rolled off. It's got a thousand
miles on it, and I don't have any room for it,
so you want to buy it for this? And it
was like thirty almost forty percent less than what I
was about to pay in the asten, which had I
think it was like six or eight thousand miles. Don't
ever buy a new car. You're stupid. Even when you're
dealing with like supercars, you're done. So yeah, I literally
left that guy hanging like he he's like all right,
I'm like all right, I'll take it. Just send me
over the paper work, and just been like did everything
and the like. He called in like ten minutes like hey,
did you get it. It's like yep. Another ten minutes,
I'm like yeah, I'm gonna go with the other thing.
And then I had basically dodged his phone calls for
two days and I felt really.
Speaker 2: Bad, but yeah, right looking honestly, I was looking back
at their other models. They survived another unfortunate era of
car design, which is the like early two thousand's bubble
car look pretty well, like the dB seven is pretty
good looking. Maybe it's just advantage, yeah, but that's what
the vantage. And then also the dB nine. Those hit
at exactly the right moment when I was a kid
to be just the coolest thing ever. And the advantages
are remarkably affordable. Now I would yeah, I wouldn't recommend
anyone do that.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, no, I take that. You should take that.
So all right, So the reason why these cars used
to be so insanely expensive, like in the aftercare, which
is like like servicing them would would kill you. Like
the reason why you're like, hey, I don't advise you
buy a VA advantage is because you're probably thinking of
the servicing cost and how like you know, it's a
it's a it's a British car, which basically is saying
like it's a North Korean car as far as reliability goes.
But YouTube has crushed it, like all of the all
of the like things that you needed to go to
specialty dealerships like so like the stuff that you used
to have to take the engine out of Ferraris for
YouTubers have been able to figure out how to fix
with like AC Delco parts and regular people tools and
for pretty much every problem that used to be like
you have to go to Aston Martin to do this,
there is a YouTuber that has figured out how to
fix it for one hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: It's wild well and and with the vantages uh As
far As and I don't remember the parts anymore, but
the automatic cars are really cheap, but the manual transmission
from that is I can't remember if to ZF, a
get Trag or a Tremic, but it is an internationally
sourced gearbox, so you can just buy them like you're
used in other cars and swap them very cheap cars.
Actually yeah, they are like real deal shops that do
this now. Like the first ones to get hit by
this were obviously the Lamborghinis and the Ferraris because you know,
the everyone wants the you know, the gated manuals. But
people have realized that there's a pretty big opportunity there
where It's like the cars designed to fit that transmission.
It's not like you're hacking it apart, and you know,
people obviously do it themselves or you can you know,
find like they're shops that specialize in this same thing
happened to Supras incidentally, Frogs.
Speaker 1: Okay, I wouldn't like what the US did. They only
give us like automatics. No, no, no.
Speaker 2: The last gen Supras we got two options. Well, so
it's the turbo and the non turbo. The autos in
both were just the same four speed Toyota transmission that
you and I know and love, and the turbos came
with the get trag. I think it's like the the
one sixty. Some of those numbers are in there, which
is just bullet proof, but they're really hard to get.
The transmission alone. I think last time I checked was
like five or eight grand, and.
Speaker 1: That was right. I'm a super hater. I don't like them.
They are fat.
Speaker 2: The third gens well, it's a GT car, that's what
it's designed to be.
Speaker 1: But it's like really really fat compared to like this guy,
like the R thirty three is fat and it's a
GT car. The R thirty four is also at it's GQR.
But the Supra is really really fat. I am very Toyota.
Speaker 2: I am extremely partial to the third gen, the Mark
three Supras. I think they're so cool and I'm so
many I'm like, you know those like ones.
Speaker 1: That got away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost bought a one Jay z R one
fifty four twin Turbo Supra when they first started bringing
them in as imports, and I was going to do it,
but like one of the other deals I needed to
get the cash together fell through and so I missed it.
And now those have really shot up in value. I
think I was going to get it for like fourteen,
which was a steal for a cherry you always wanted one,
because the we got a weirder engine. We got a
I think we've got one of the seven mgte which
is not.
Speaker 1: Merely as one bruise us with everything. I just said
to the Prime Minister of the band the other day, yeah,
something about Pearl Harbor. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She was like, hey, why didn't you tell us about
the war? And I ran and he was like, well,
why didn't you tell us about Pearl Harper, Which is
not a great answer, but it is really funny.
Speaker 1: You want to know what I would generally be really
kind of annoyed that he said something like that, but
in the context right now of how badly the Japanese
have screwed us with the engines and transmission options that
they have domestically, right, because I'm just thinking about.
Speaker 2: The years ago, Bro justdge.
Speaker 1: Giving us the Yeah, as a as a guy who
was really into two forties for a long time. The
fact that you gave us a two forty Sex which
is a perfect like GT car and it's actually just
a great sports car. It's super light, it's independent, suspensioned,
real will drive.
Speaker 2: Nice long wheelbase two relative to size.
Speaker 1: Yep, comfortable interior. And you gave us a delivery truck motor,
not even a turbo delivery truck motor.
Speaker 2: You get that, true, Like the engine was worse, but
also the S thirteen Sylvia looks so much better than
either than than the USDM front right, like either the
early model Pig now with the projectors, yeah yeah, or
even the if you take the hatchback model. The type
X trim they got is so cool looking compared to
the one we did.
Speaker 1: Yep. Add in the delivery truck motor and you basically
have Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm still mad.
Speaker 1: And then what you did with the then you what
they Oh god, I'm just thinking about what they did
to the the what you call it, the uh the
I could just rattle them off all like the fd s,
the RX Seven's what they did to the three hundred
X is basically every cool car they basically cranked down
the So like the Germans, they basically have these like
you know, gentlemen agreements where no one cranks up the
horse power too much. They all kind of do it together.
Like remember like the NA M five just happened to
produce like the same amount of horsepower as the fifty five,
which just happened to produce the same amount of horsepowers,
and they all would just I don't know whether they
had meetings or whatever, like okay, I'll be ready to
go to five hundred, Yeah, okay, where is Audi? Fuck them?
And they would just raise together. Japan has the exact
same type of thing going on with their with like Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, whatever.
But they also got together and they're like, yeah, let's
fuck the Americans, like let's actually tune our cars way
down and then we'll give it to them. So like
every single Japanese car you bought the eggs. Literally the
identical car in Japan has got like eighty more horsepower.
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, there's still there were a bunch of stuff
we didn't get either, like all of the cool four doors,
like h we never got the Soarer, like the real Sore,
which was way cool. I like the ones that are
based on three Yeah yeah, the one right before that
that was super cool, more of a GT car, But
we never got the Crown. We never got the uh.
Speaker 1: It was what did we called the Cresseto over there?
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but like any of the cool four
door stuff that you know came with like a five
speed and you know the inline six.
Speaker 1: Is uh it's on the whatever. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: My days of being able to quote off JDM Toyota
names are slightly behind me. But the uh yeah, no,
it's crazy. And you know, even into the you know,
the the two thousands, we did not get a lot
of cool stuff that they did. Uh. Like there are
obviously like the the land cruisers. We only got the
full size ones and we really got timped on engine choices. Uh,
I will say we obviously the uh you know there
they the high luxes. That's another great example. But Nissan
did the same thing, Like the Nissan Patrol is so
much cooler than the version we are just now getting.
Speaker 1: Like they had a.
Speaker 2: Five speed turbo diesel truck version. I know the Aussies
really like, ah, we never got that, and uh look,
I think we can blame Lyndon Johnson for at least
part of that, but uh yeah, people do well. Lyndon Johnson.
I can't remember why he was mad at the French,
which we probably had a good reason, even if I
don't like Lyndon Johnson. But that's the origin of the
Chicken tax I, believe, which is why we haven't gotten
a lot of like body on frame, like four reel
drive stuff.
Speaker 1: That's so dumb. This is like the Jones Act, Like
America has some really dumb spec Like you know, it's funny,
is that, Like we can look at like stuff like
the Chicken Act or like the Jones Act, where you
can just see like this is a blatant special interest
piece of legislation and look at the disastrous long term
consequences of this, and then you look at what's coming
out of Congress and it's literally all special interest legislation.
I never thought about that till just now. Like the
long term effects of like these special interest laws, which
are literally the only laws we pass apparently nowadays, are
going to be like they're gonna be there's like infinity
Chicken taxes waiting out there, you know, twenty years from now,
to trip me up from doing something I want in
an unexpected way.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like who do I Who do I have
to bribe to get like a land Cruiser Prado?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, Like what's the argument against it? Like
why can't I have a cheap pickup truck? It's just
a lot of cells? Yeah, how much is a Ford
f one fifty? Now, dude? Help? I know, pushing on
a brand for the top level. Here's what I'll do.
Just know the top level is more. Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna literally go to Auto Trader brand
new for f one fifty and see what kind of
prices I'm getting because I don't actually know.
Speaker 1: You know what I kind of am into. I don't
tell anyone this, but I kind of want a Raptor.
I just don't want anyone to see me drive in it.
Speaker 2: Okay, the first one I see.
Speaker 1: Or the TRX that it's actually the TRX. I really
like more. T Rex is cool. It looks like Ford.
Speaker 2: The cheapest one I can find new is okay, so
that you can get a hybrid for only fifty four
thousand dollars, get fucked, so for the f one fifty
two right, Like there are other ones which are in
like the nineties, and this is.
Speaker 1: What is the total capacity on the hybrid?
Speaker 2: I hope, I know, Okay, there are some in the forties.
I'm actually curious what the cheapest so this one is. Oh,
it's a it's a two seven, So it's a six
cylinder turbo. Who in the who in the right mind?
Speaker 1: I'm actually curious that that defeats the purpose of that
defeats the purpose of a pickup truck. Who who asked
for a electric pickup truck? The lightning lariat. Find me
the guy that buys a pickup truck that like needs
one or wants one, and then find me his queer
brother who also some for some reason, needs one, but
wants it electric. Like nobody that wants a pickup truck
wanted an electric pickup truck. But yet here it is.
Speaker 2: Eight eighty nine thousand, dollars on an F one yep,
like not even cheese. That's crazy, genuinely absurd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at the MSRP right now of just
a baseline, and see you can't even find them anymore.
It's like I'm on Ford's website right now, right and
when I go and I look for it, it will
only show it to me in monthly payments. Sorry if
you have to sell your car like a payday loan place. Yeah,
just the regular F one fifty is over forty grand
now or forty grand?
Speaker 2: Well, the cheapest one I could find on the market
was fifty. You know it's for forty four.
Speaker 1: I guess this is? And what is a Let's do
a yen conversion, which is great right now? All right,
So I'm gonna go on Toyota's Japanese website. I'm gonna translate,
and we're gonna find out how much a Toyota pickup
truck is in Japan. I bet it's way way cheaper.
Oh god, it makes me very very ankry. What about
a land Cruiser seventy how about one of those? This
is I mean, yeah, you can buy a brand new
land Cruiser seventy bro that's insane.
Speaker 2: The answer is story, we're just getting screwed again.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes we are. Like, certainly some of.
Speaker 2: It is American manufacturing incompetence, Like I really don't want
to don't want to discard that, Like obviously you have
the fuel crisis vehicles which are just blighted, but also
like the market in America is shifting so much towards
the elderly, both from like who has money, but also
so many of these.
Speaker 1: Do you wonder how much a brand new Ford or sorry,
a brand new toy to highlexes in dollars.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess I think it'll start at like twenty
eight twenty three. Wow, that's remarkably cheap.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Man, I would kill for a twenty three thousand dollars
new truck.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's crazy. You and I actually had this conversation,
I think when we're driving in my car about like
how that cars are just now for boomers, just like houses. Yeah,
like they exist for as boomer toys. Well, and that
actually answers the question of who wants an electric pickup
truck fun anyway exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the reason you see this proliferation
of like of crossovers. Right, then they're marketing to people
who can't get out of normal cars. Like that's why
it is they're not more space efficient, Like we cracked this.
If you want a commuter car with slightly more space,
the wagon is the answer. Right, you're basically maximizing for
internal volume. But again, right, the both you know, just
you know us consumer trends of who has disposable income,
but also you know, you throw in all of this
required safety and emissions equipment, which is incredibly expensive, and
all of a sudden, well, who can afford a car
that costs that much? We get back to their marketing
cars to the elderly, like I did this thing when
I was talking to Peruvian bowl a while back, where
I basically, you know, calculated how much you know, certain
you know items cost in you know, nineteen sixty five
versus what they cost now. And you know, the Mustang
was one of the fastest selling cars in history because
it was again for the boomers, but it was like
a practical enough fun car you could get for not
a lot of money new right, Like, obviously they were
the fast ones, but even though like base model ones
were very very affordable. Again, like in what if you
do conversion into like low twenties. You know, so like
someone who's shopped for used vehicles with significant mileage on
them above twenty grand, right, you start to think where
it's like, okay, that that's a radically different world where
you can buy something brand new with a warranty or okay,
twenty three grand, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But like compared town trust last year, how long will
high lights last year? Right? Yeah? Literally for till you're dead? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And I mean that's the other thing, like when we're
talking about all of this, like legislative legislature, it is
also affecting longevity pretty dramatically. So you see this with
like diesels in EGR that's a classic one where for
those who are technically minded, although if you have made
it through fifty nine minutes not caring about cars, I
commend you. But basically to get it to be theoretically
more efficient, they make it. They basically take the exhaust
gas recirculation right and kind of feed it back into
the system, which is obviously horrible for the engine. You know,
it clogs them up, It takes them from being you know,
five hundred thousand mile engines to much much less than that.
But also in order to achieve these sort of ever
more ludicrous levels of efficiency required, they've had to do
things like dramatically drop the what they call the weight
of the oil, basically how thick and how viscid it is.
And as you can imagine, when you have really thin oil,
well once it heats up, it gets even thinner. It
doesn't lubricate nearly as well, right, especially in an engine
that's built to very very tight tolerances. To get these
sort of you know, highly improbable fuel numbers.
Speaker 1: And if you're.
Speaker 2: Wondering why many major manufacturers have been forced to do,
you know, large engine recalls in the last ten years,
that's a large part of it. It's sort of gone
past the practical efficiency of the engines, and in order
to get past that, they have to sacrifice the stuff
that matters to you, Stormy right our knee. Yes, does
this keep working over a long portion of my life?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I basically have to. Like my car buying choices
now are like mad Max kind of choices. That sounds
a little strange, but like because of how unstable this is, right, So, like,
what are car manufacturers going to we have less than
five years of driving time left for boomers. Like all
of these automobile manufacturers are steering their entire product lines,
they're really their entire You know, who doesn't care about
a car not being able to make it over one
hundred and fifty thousand miles?
Speaker 2: About someone who well, yeah, someone who won't make it
that long?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Who has to buy a car that has over
one hundred thousand miles? Young people? Yeah, poor people like
if yeah, for twenty grand for.
Speaker 2: You? And I say poor and young people, as if
that describes two different groups when that is simply n
diagram with one circle on it.
Speaker 1: God, I hate them so much, not young people, poor people,
but old people so much. How are these how are
these car companies going to deal with this? Like all
of a sudden, not only will no one buy these cars,
no one can afford these cars. The supply chains are
just nonsensical. Because another thing that's equally as nonsensical and
kind of built for what do they call it just
in time delivery? Are our auto parts. Our auto parts
supply chain is so incredibly fragile.
Speaker 2: That well, to that point, not only is it fragile
from like a supply chain side, but we have outsourced
so much of it that the quality is and literally
ask a mechanic, you know it's awful. So, for instance,
like I had to replace the axles on my truck.
One of the axles I bought was just broken from
the factory. And then so there are a few other things, right,
and of the let's just say like eight to ten
parts I bought, three of them were from factory faulty.
And that is not that abnormal, right, Nope. Additionally I
might add one of the other things, and believe me,
we're gonna heap scorn on the auto industry. Is there
are very deliberate attempts to keep people from working on cars.
The Chrysler Stolantis vehicles have now basically blocked your ability
to go to AutoZone and have them read a code
for you. Or if you have the machine yourself, now
you need the special Dodge Dealer plug to do it,
so you have to go in and pay them for
the privilege. Another one is.
Speaker 1: You're making my ownership less efficient, right, You're actually taking
away features of automobile ownership.
Speaker 2: And like another great example of this is parts availability. So,
for instance, on if you ever wondered why there are
a lot of like five to ten years Subarus for
sale for almost nothing. It's because there is a I
believe a servo in the transmission, right. It's actually is
just sitting on top of it that you know makes
the stuff inside of it move. It's a tiny little part, right,
and it eventually goes bad. But Subaru will not sell
you that servo by itself. You have to buy a
whole brand new transmission. So this is now a ten
year old car, which you know wasn't particularly too expensive
to begin with. Are you going to pay thousands of
dollars and the labor to do it to replace what
if you had access to the part you yourself viewer
could do in forty five minutes. No? And is that
a problem for Subaru. No, they already got your money.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, think about I'm just thinking about European car manufacturers.
They're the most guilty of this. So the NU Mercedes now,
because like I mentioned, dear listeners, that performance now with
a lot of these turbo motors is literally just twisting
a boot snob and changing ECU maps what should be
like you know the same as like different programs a
lot of the performance features and a lot of the
convenience features. Mercedes is trying to sell you by subscription.
Oh you want your car to go faster? You got
the performance model car. Okay, great, But also that's going
to be an extra one hundred and twenty dollars a
month because you have to sign up for the go
Fast subscription.
Speaker 2: Well, Stormy, I mean that horrifying Cadillac. We were talking
about the Celestique, right, the four hundred thousand dollars custom
commissioned handmade. I noticed a little asterisk on the zero
to sixty times, said, you know three point seven seconds,
which were a card that day. Is impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, an electricity turns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, guess what, Stormy, that's a subscription. You have to
pay for it to be that fast, after the four
hundred thousand dollars you've given to Cadillac.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, what is subscription? I don't know what is
the price? It doesn't tell you. I just curiouser for
more details, of course. Yeah, it's like they're trying to
lose money because what's gonna happen is exactly what's gonna
happen for me, Like I have enough money to buy
whatever car I want and all the cars I'm looking
at because the only cars I want now are older cars.
I don't want to buy a new car, Like my
cutoff is twenty eighteen, and that's pushing it now. So
all I care about now, like I'm probably gonna end
up in that in next car probably in like the
next like week or two, is going to be that
Lexus LX five seventy, like the basically the land Cruiser,
because oh and this is this is the other thing
is that bring a trailer needs to be destroyed? All right?
Speaker 2: Are you going through the process of listing there?
Speaker 1: No, No, that's gonna be next week. So that's what
I said two weeks, because it's gonna be like one
week to list, uh and for that sale to go
through and then you know, another week of me finding
a new car or whatever. But I just mean what
it's done to just normal car ownership, Like it's you know,
how like Instagram is for. I know you and I
have talked about this, like what Instagram is for like
gun gear, Like now everyone all of a sudden cares
about this particular type of night vision setup you know
that used to be like three grand Now it's eight
grand because Instagram, right, it just goes from fad to
fad to fad. Bring trailer is this four cars? Yes,
nobody gave a fuck about land cruisers, like particularly like
some people care about old land cruisers. They were niche whatever,
but nobody really cared that much. But because the Internet,
particularly Bring Trailer, made them cool in an Instagram type
a very trendy way. This is not a whole bunch
of people now that are trying to cross the Sierra
Desert or actually do things with their land cruiser. They
just want to have one because it's part of the esthetic.
One hundred percent. It's like a lifestyle.
Speaker 2: It's become a lifestyle brand instead of something you actually own.
Speaker 1: Exactly and own to use. So now, even the new
land Cruiser, which should be the cheaper option, right, like
the whatever the one eighteen land Cruiser is, it's actually
more expensive than the.
Speaker 2: Lexus simply because it's like land Cruiser on it one
per it's the same Va with less stuff.
Speaker 1: On it, a ton less stuff. It's actually fifteen more
everywhere I've looked.
Speaker 2: Shit, I'll edit that out. Sorry, my bad, Please please
do let me take that down.
Speaker 1: Well, Stormy for someone someone famously bad at remembering to
do edits. Please remember that.
Speaker 2: One, actually will. I've never docked anyone. But you see
the exact same thing with with guns, right, Like I
picked up that STI or sign if. Oh dude, I
love it?
Speaker 1: Are you sears sold on twenty elevens now sold since
I thought it? I told you? Do you remember that
you shoot it? You're never gonna want to shoot anything, gelf.
Speaker 2: You remember the brief period of time where I deluded
myself to saying that it would be something that I
would buy and sell for a profit. Uh, I do,
I do, one of one of many self delusions.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But uh, you see a very similar thing where in
the transition from STI to staccato right in staccato is
the like Instagram brand. Right, there's a huge like social
cachet associated with it, exactly right. It no longer you know,
made in a different made in a different way. This
is not a gunshell, but ostensibly on it simple virtues
that that should hold a price premium.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: But we see the exact opposite because it's not the
Instagram cool one, right, It's not the one that you
can post for updudes, and so effectives. Well, dude, you
see the same thing even earlier, right.
Speaker 1: Like like the Lexus, the Lexus is the one that
you'd actually want to have, it is.
Speaker 2: I always think about that with the GX four seventy,
which is a vehicle I love. It's sort of like
a hybrid between the fore Runner and the land Cruiser,
trying to uh four Runner frame, but it has the
same engine from the land Cruiser, which I don't remember
if that was offered in the fore Runner version at
that time.
Speaker 1: No, point is it hasn't been, but offered.
Speaker 2: At a sign you can get them on the secondary
market for significantly less. Now there's the air suspension, but
that's not hard to fix, right, if you're an adult,
you can do it.
Speaker 1: Uh. But point is.
Speaker 2: Again, right, you see that disconnect between the the kind
of like social media and actual thing. And honestly, you
see brands realizing this with the growth of like you know,
obviously the M cars you know from BMW are like
the ones that you want. But then well you have
the M Sport and mechanically it's the same car, but
it has the badging on it.
Speaker 1: It looks yeah, where it gives you the badging of
the car that you can't afford. This used to be
a reading that only colored people did. Right now there's
like mass plast Mercedes and they would say like S
fifty five and you'd be like, yeah, no, no bro, sorry,
And it would always be like, you know, a Haitian
guy trying to pull off like a stock Mercedes with
you know, V twelve AMG badging but not realizing that
there's a lot more than just the badging. But now
car manufacturers are doing that exactly like you just said.
They're basically treating people like, hey, oh you want the
Haitian package. You want us to put all the badging
on of the car that you couldn't afford to buy, Yeah,
and upsell you with it like this is actually why
I bought them MAT like the MAT So I bought
them MAT, I then spend a retarded amount of money
on it. I basically bought m a twice, which was
not my original plan, but I wanted to be like
more low key. I was like, all right, so he
just came off of like a shouty engine in the
back Italian car, which, dear listener, you will probably think
that you look very very cool in a Lamborghini or Ferrari,
and maybe you might while you're driving it, there you go, Yeah,
could you imagine? Can you imagine me getting out? Getting in?
I had down to a science, but getting out, all
of the glamor was gone. Like you were a clown.
You're a clown. Now everyone in the parking lot is
laughing at you as you roll out like you're on fire.
Speaker 2: If only you had access to a foot operation door handle,
he could probably get all way faster.
Speaker 1: If I had a million dollars, I would. But yeah,
and also my friend and I counted the days, so
I sold. I had a I had an R eight
for a while and then I sold it, and I
was I bought a M five. I was like, all right,
I'm gonna be responsible to be a normal guy.
Speaker 2: The V then my R eights, the first gen ones.
I think it's Magnuson makes a super charger setup.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, yeah, it's the better car.
The R eight. V eight handles infinitely better, is much
more pleasant to drive. And yeah, if you're smart, you'll
just buy the V eight and put a blower on it,
and you won't buy the V ten. But I was like,
all right, we're gonna do grown up stuff. And my
co founder was like, yeah, you should totally sell your
car and do grown up stuff. And I come in
like a week later and there's this blue Ferrari. H
what is it? The uh? What's the one above the
four thirty? It's the next one four or five eight? Yeah,
the four five eight. I always confuse that with the
four eight eight, which is grotesque.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the four five eight is the that's kind of
on the line for me.
Speaker 1: It's slow, a low relative understanding. Relatively, it sounds amazing though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's honestly the race car version, the GT three H.
The people really like it. Man, it's so pretty.
Speaker 1: I think they're all terrible. I'm an National Kit Engine
Ferrari hater because the alright, so I pull in there's
this bright blue Ferrari and I was like, whose car
is that? And everyone in my office I was like, oh,
I don't know, I don't know. And even this f Sler,
you know, played into this for like forty five minutes.
He's like, I don't know, man, and he's like he's like,
it's outside, and I'm like, yeah, it's in the parking lot, right,
Like this is like our building, like there's nobody else
like in the parking lot, and he even like played
along and like came outside with me to look at
this car. Who he particularly did. Anyways, it took me
about an hour to figure out. And I was like,
you son of a bitch, like you had me sell
my cool car so you could buy a cool car
and fucking dunk on me in our parking lot every day.
And he started cracking up and he's like, yeah, basically
I did that, and I went out and I made
an impulsive decision and I regretted it for a very
long time. And that was a Guyardo which was in
the shop for a whopping one hundred and seventy one
days of the year. He did buy, okay, and his
car was in the shop for a hundred and seventy
seven days of the year. So it's like you buy
these cars and you're just like, okay, what what the
fuck's the point? Like Italy still can't make a car
that runs to this to this day. Audi buying Lamborghini
was the best thing ever happened to it. And I didn't.
I didn't buy late enough in that transition where they
figured out how to make electronic things work, and Ferrari
still can't make a freaking car that will reliably do
all the things. Like it's like today you get first, second, fourth, fifth,
and sixth. Tomorrow you your top doesn't work. Next week
it's going to be reverse doesn't work, and your stereo
is on maximum loud all the time. It sounds like
my wife's Volkswagen bro It's it was like that both
cars were like possessed, which is funny because I made
an impulse decision to get back at him and he
bought a car to dunk on me and both of
our both of our motives were impure and selfish, so
we were cursed with cursed cars. And that's why I
bought the BMW. I was like, I just want responsible
German car that works all the time, and I've I've
been super happy with it, but like, I'm going to
buy a car that I know is going to go
for one hundred thousand to a quarter million miles because
I think boomers are literally going to break the car market,
just like everything else that they've done.
Speaker 2: So Stormy, I know that you were a man of
taste because everyone knows by anyone who's anybody knows that
the front engine v twelve Cararis are the ones that matter.
And so I was going through the recent models, because
you know I'm quite partial to My nine is great,
the F twelve honestly, the eight twelve very good looking.
But the fall off from the eight to twelve to
its replacement, the twelve cylindery.
Speaker 1: I haven't even seen this. I have to look at this.
Speaker 2: It'll make you mad man, it's it looks so bad.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on live reaction.
Speaker 2: It is much like the GRGT that you and I
were talking about earlier. It is too long, the proportions
are wrong.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, it is called the twelve Cylindery. No,
I don't want racing sports cars all models, Oh my
fucking cal I I want to remember well, especially because
the last model was sore. The entire Ferrari team needs
to be in a mass grave. This is this is grotesque.
It Can we just tell them that we only like
nineteen eighties vibe stuff on nineteen eighties vehicles and this
is not just a design language that you can try
and reinterpret well and like is that that one' That's
what I'm looking at right, Like this is like them
trying to do nineteen eighties stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it it doesn't. It doesn't communicate that really
at all. Did you see uh, did you see somewhat.
Speaker 1: Related in my God? Did you see the convertible of it? Oh? No?
Does it look better? No, it looks worse. I knew
the answer that question before I asked check this out.
This is the Amalfi which it just drops to you
on telegram. Tell me if this gives you all the
Ferrari feels or is that just a Miata? Why? Why's
the Ferrari website run so badly? It's really bad. Oh,
and the Ferrari has SUV now, Oh, I knew that.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say. The back three quarter I think
is its best angle. But it's not a Miyada. It
is a twenty fourteen Jaguar F type.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is. It is. It's it is.
Speaker 2: The back half of an F type with the front
half of the Is it the four hundred Z? What's
the new Z car?
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I know it went till like
three eighty or something. Z.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just the Nissan Z. That's why I can't
remember what they called it. The Nissan Z actually not
horrible looking, but just not right. It's why you can't
make pretty modern cars, because it's the it has the
right outline in the right proportions, but everything else is wrong.
Speaker 1: Well, this brings us back to our initial thing. Yeah,
why can't we make Why can't we make beautiful automobiles anymore?
Speaker 2: Honestly, disease are cheap. They start at forty two for
a never mind? Sorry, yes, why can't we walk bee
ls swapped? Well, we can't make pretty cars because one
laws from people who hate beauty and hate fun and
hate the idea that you have the ability to go
wherever you want right.
Speaker 1: And two.
Speaker 2: Because seemingly everything is so overdesigned by committee for everyone
and no one at the same time. So like you know,
when we're talking about the sixties, even there would be
a head designer who is like the king, and these
guys are famous, Like honestly, the Japanese were doing it
up into the nineties, Like the guy who designed r
X seven, the last gen FD, he did it himself
and they were very beautiful cards. But now it is
And I know a little bit about this because you know,
I know some people who've worked for you know, GM
or have you know, had an internship there in college,
and it's massive teams.
Speaker 1: It's like the you.
Speaker 2: Know, the automotive equivalent of like the the South Korean
studios of three hundred animators you know who work on
Hollywood movies. Yeah, so it's a combination of everything all
at once. And I mean again the fact that you know,
even Rolls Royce, which we didn't talk about, is playing
to China. You know, everyone is playing to everywhere all
at once, and so even if the laws in your
country are sensible, well, it's simply more efficient to design
something to meet laws in every country. And so these
things become basically like technological boxes. You know, it's basically
a very fancy iPhone.
Speaker 1: That's I think that's actually one hundred percent correct. And
this is why the aesthetic language is going to be
the language of everywhere and nowhere and every time. Honestly,
the God bless Rolls Royce for holding out, Like, God
bless them. The SUV that they put out is beautiful.
What's the what's the Bentley one? Again? It's not the Bentake.
It literally looks it looks like a Latins girl after
thirty or after twenty two. Sorry, so bad it and
but that's the same thing. But because it's the same
thing as the Audi SQ five or seven or whatever
it is, it's just the Audi SUV, which is the
worst one, the W SUV.
Speaker 2: The worst one has to be the uh the Ferrari
Suba suv, the Puro Sangue.
Speaker 1: Wait, really more than the Lamborghini one?
Speaker 2: Look at it, man, it's funky. Also, can we acknowledge
the deliberate middle finger that is naming your first suv
the pure Blood? Yeah, although, now that I look at it,
the urine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh that's that's tough. Okay, so this isn't
really okay. I will say that they have just they
have made an uglier fxx on stilts or sorry, what's it?
What's it called? Yeah, exactly. They've tried to turn what
was the one? The GtC four Luso is a very
pretty car. It's a hatchback F twelve, And I mean
the F twelve is basically my favorite Ferrari in the
last thirty years or probably more. Have you did you
ever get a chance to see the F twelve TDF?
Oh yeah, yeah, very very pretty. That's the prettiest Ferrari
they've made in sixty seventy years.
Speaker 2: He honestly, the rear of the F twelve is always
or the F f rather is always so much better
than I remember it.
Speaker 1: Yep. It's kind of like the Panama hatchback where you're like, oh,
I should hate this, and you're like, oh, well, well,
because like there's a lot of like the Germans invented
really cool hatchbacks, right like they did their AMG cars.
The BMW has never been able to pull this off.
But who really is good at it is Mercedes and Audi. Yeah,
the RS six is it? The AVT is that what
they call them? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yep, I think is one of the coolest cars ever,
and I really want one, despite any very real objection
to me owning one.
Speaker 1: Oh really, have you heard anything bad about it? Oh?
I mean it's just.
Speaker 2: They're extraordinarily expensive and they're like a lot of high
end outis. They're pretty heavy unconsumables and maintenance because again
it's like a seven thousand pound car, Like I've.
Speaker 1: Heard a real reliability problem. Yeah, they do well. My
dad had fast started on the German time really yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had in the mid twenty tens. Uh, he
worked a similar job to the one that I did.
When you and I met, he was just kind of
going all over uh, and.
Speaker 1: So made significantly more money at it.
Speaker 2: Yes, so he had a car stipend in addition to
a mileage, but basically is there to cover you know,
the wear and tearror you're putting on a car doing
five thousand miles a month. See, we'd always go for
you know, at the time, at least the S He
had an S six first, then an S seven. The
S six was much better. The slope back doesn't It
doesn't look great and it has a lot of problems.
At least it did in the like two dozen fourteen
nish range.
Speaker 1: But those were really.
Speaker 2: Cool because the engine from the S six to the
RS was exactly the same. So it was like an
ECU map away from you know, seven hundred horsepower, which
is a ton period. It's especially a lot in like
a you know, executive sedan with all wheel drive. So
it was like comfortably in the like sub four zero
to sixty, alarmingly fast and with so much momentum. I've
told you right that I did some track driving and
I let I convinced him to let me take it
out on the track. I did like two laps, and
I was terrified because they're so big. They're front heavy,
like the engine is ahead of the axles and it's
on airbags. It was sort of like it's like if
you're stress, that's roller coaster with no seat belt, is
how I would describe it.
Speaker 1: That's insane. There's note never in a million years see
the M eight. The one thing I will say is
that when BMW does a new M car, not like
the M three or the M four, but when they
do a new M car, because like the I was
in love with the reason why I was I put
the the Aston Martin down so quickly is because I
was in love with the BMW eight fifty CI as
a kid. Same it was just the coolest thing in
the world to me. Actually, like the big German coops
I'm still in love with, Like to this day, if
I could get a hold of a what is it
five sixty SC, the big Mercedes coupe that they that
they it wasn't an S class that came later, but
they did it in a wide body AMG that Like
I would drive that right now. But I've just been
in love with like the big high power coupes and
when I found out that, like they like, oh, we're
bringing the M eight back or we're bringing the eight
back and we're doing an M version of it, I
was like, I'm sold. And I was expecting it to
be like like the eight. My my dad had an
eight series. Of course he was a chump and didn't
get the V twelve, but whatever, and it was like
a seven series. It was like a it was luxurious.
This thing is is as luxurious as like a seven
Series for like two people, but it is a proper
freaking sports car. Like I am constantly impressed with it.
Like as soon as as soon as you chuck this
thing into it, it shrinks like magic. I don't know
how to it's and BMW has gotten really good with
all wheel drive because like you can the cool thing
about them is you can turn it full time rear
wal drive on the fly and you can also lock
the diff on the fly, so if you want to, uh,
if you like drifting a car, it it's it's really
good at that. I think it's called donut mode. Cool. Yeah,
but the all wheel drive is insane because it it's
both wheel selecting and torque selecting, so it literally feels
it fucking yeah. So I was I was.
Speaker 2: Looking for a specific listing on bring a trailer that
was referenced, do you bring it trailers to this dangerous
website in the world. I'm going to show you. I'm
going to show you something else I found. I don't
know anything about this, but this is the most visually
arresting machine I've ever seen in my life. Let me
pull this up.
Speaker 1: And you know, hopefully in a good way. He means,
what is this? Is this text or in the telegram channel? Oh? No,
I just pulled it up on stream yards on the screen.
I want it, Like, what even is this website? Reason?
Because I know I know what it is. I actually
know what it is because I fell down this rabbit
hole like a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: So to Ukrainian yep, Oh is this for like going over.
Speaker 1: Uh snow like that and water? It's just sick? Okay?
So it is. The company that originally started making it
is called w s Z eight. All right, So I'm
going to send you the company that originally made these
in Soviet times, because this is like a whole These
used to be tracked vehicles, and I'm going to send
you a picture and you are going to want one
more than you've ever wanted anything in your whole freaking life.
Imagine if you would a I guess it would be
like the equivalent of like a the old Volkswagen hatchbacks
like eighties. And then imagine if it was also a tank.
I'm sold, and you could just be in the Soviet
Union and just buy one of these for however many
Soviet Union coupons you were able to sell, you're kidney for.
But the thing that you're looking at before they did
the big wheels they did I'm not even gonna tell
you what they did. I just want you to look
at it. So you've probably seen the it's this on
I message, so you'll probably see the two cars, which
are amazing, and then you'll see something else. And that's
what the Soviets did before they tried this big wheel thing.
It's a screw. It's screw powered. It is screw drive,
not tracked, not wheeled, but screwed, and apparently like it
went everywhere, like those screws were like pontoon screws, so
it floated and it would climb. Anyways, they stopped doing
it because it's retarded. After a couple of years. But yeah,
this company is like an x ussr all, the rain
vehicle manufacturer that just apparently got to go as retarded
as they wanted to with whatever. But that reminded that
kind of reminds me of a cartoon Unimogue. Yes, yeah,
well another thing that bring trailers made ridiculously expensive. Oh no,
it drives me nuts. It's basically like the land Rover
Defender too. Like here's a thing that is basically like
a taste of farm and like the Toyota Highlucks, like
this should be cheap. Its whole purpose is to be
cheap and to be fixed with a hammer. And now
because it is trendy for because it kind of looks boxy,
like a g wagon like the Nissan Patrols. Like we're
gonna make this thing that costs five grand in every
other country, but America cost one hundred grand for a
restomode import that somebody in their garage did in the
unimogs say, the same thing the Unimogus used to buy.
You could you used to be able to get a
Unimogue for like five grand. And in Europe they're still
like dirt cheap because they're just utilitarian farm trucks. But
in America we're like, oh, this is cool, and then
some fucking nerd will be like, it's cool enough for
me to pay one hundred grand for it, and then
the new going rate for this utilitarian vehicle is now
one hundred grand. It's like a like a land cruiser.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Oh, actually we shouldn't go back. Dear listener, that GX
four seventy that Jay was talking about. You should buy
one for your next car, because not only is it
great and very very capable off road, it will go
for literally a million miles, literally a million miles. There's
hundreds of them that have gone a million miles.
Speaker 2: My family had one and we sold it with like
two eighty on the clock. Uh, Stormy, I've sent you
two more links which are more specifically relevant to you,
especially the second one. I might have made you make
a bad decision, But I think I need to wrap up.
Actually I realized we've been talking for like an hour
and forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's actually not bad. I was actually thinking it
was more than that. I was like, man, I wonder
when Oh.
Speaker 2: Wow, dear listener, if you're wondering, that's very pretty. This
is what Stormy and I do like once a week,
like we just decided to record this one. So if
you're still here, I appreciate it. You're welcome. Let me
know how mad you are that I titled this the
most egregious clickbait possible.
Speaker 1: But would I haven't.
Speaker 2: I haven't figured it out yet. This will come out tomorrow, Okay,
I'll give it some time to percolate. What I could
what I could entrap people to a ten minute conversation
about John pod Hortz and then another hour and a
half about our opinions on cards. But so me, obviously
you are on the Inquisition, which has moved to uh,
who's putting it out?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Is it you?
Speaker 1: I think I put it. I put it out, And
if you know Pete and Thomas, I think they also
drop it on their channels except for all of you
guys were basically stuck in the middle of the wilderness. Yes,
so the last one is only on my sub stack,
which is free. The Inquisition will always be for zero dollars,
so it's on my substack. You can catch most episodes
unless Pete and Thomas is trapped in the wilderness on
their substacks as well, and I got to. I have
to do an RSS feed for it. I just don't
want to go through the trouble of like host like
doing it. That's kind of the pain.
Speaker 2: Well, I will be sure, dude, I hate RSS stuff
I need to be doing anyway. The conversation for another day.
As far as my stuff, guys, Jay Burden Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
or you can pay me a few bucks a month
on Patreon, substack er, gumbroad. Get the episodes early. I'm
free Stormy. It's a ton of fun. To everyone at home,
keep your head up. I can't last for ever.
Speaker 1: Good Night,