WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:16.519 Welcome to Here's to Your Health With Joshua Lane. Here's 2 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:19.760 to Your Health discusses the current thinking and wellness, bringing 3 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:23.640 you the most influential thinkers in beauty, fitness, and longevity. 4 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:26.320 Your host, Joshua Lane, was part of the Doctor and 5 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.879 Wigmore team that helped bring wheat, grass sprouts and raw 6 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.280 foods to a worldwide audience and now the host of 7 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.719 Here's to Your Health. Joshua Lane. 8 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.000 Welcome to this edition of Here's to Your Health. I'm 9 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:42.840 your host, Joshu Lane. We are now many of us 10 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:47.159 concerned about our health, and we also recognize that the 11 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:50.719 health of the soil is important. When the soil is 12 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.759 richer nutrients, the plants we grow, the animals we graze 13 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.439 absorb these nutrients and the food has more, better taste, 14 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:01.759 and more food value, and more and more of us 15 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:06.120 recognize that these days. And our guest is Howard's Leger, 16 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:09.680 and Howard it calls himself a student of the soil. 17 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.760 He is a farmer in the Midwest, and his family 18 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:16.760 were farmers, and he understands the importance of the health 19 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.599 of the soil, and he has understood that for more 20 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.400 than probably about forty years, and so when someone has 21 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.799 that kind of long term commitment to his subject, they 22 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:31.000 can really bring depth of information to this really important 23 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.280 topic that is the health of our soil and therefore 24 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:36.799 our health. Howard, welcome to the show. 25 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:41.519 Thank you very much for having me. Appreciate the opportunity 26 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:43.079 to share information with you. 27 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:45.599 Yeah, very happy to have you on. So again for 28 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:48.439 the listeners of Here's to your health. So where is 29 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:51.359 your farm located? And the farm, as I understand it 30 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:53.359 was started by your mom and dad? Is that correct? 31 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.560 I am fortunate to live on the farm that my 32 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.599 folks moved on to in nineteen fifty nine. They bought 33 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:05.120 the farm from Bill and Margaret McDonald in nineteen sixty. 34 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.080 So I literally live on old McDonald's farm. 35 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:12.479 Yes, well, I'll tell your truth. That's really good. That's, 36 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.800 by the way, very delightful. That's really good. I like 37 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:19.000 that a lot. And so this farm when you when 38 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:21.960 your parents purchased it in fifty nine, what was what? 39 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:22.319 Now? 40 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:24.639 Of course the farming was different then, so was it 41 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:27.000 a mixed use farm? What was happening in fifty nine? 42 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:28.479 And by the way, excuse me, where can I ask 43 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:29.240 where the farm is? 44 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:31.039 Northwest Iowa? 45 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:33.960 Is where we're located, Okay, Okay, And so what were 46 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:35.039 they growing in fifty nine? 47 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:41.159 It was a diverse farm. Back then, most all farms 48 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:47.039 were diverse. They had multiple crops, there were rotations. My 49 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:53.800 dad had crops and livestock. We had chickens, we had pork, hogs, 50 00:02:53.919 --> 00:03:01.759 we had cattle, we had sheep. And you know today 51 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.560 we're continuing that tradition to a degree. I guess you 52 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.800 would say we direct market beef, pork, chicken, turkey, lamb, eggs, 53 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:10.319 and milk. 54 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:12.159 I milk a cow by hand. 55 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:18.039 Every morning when I'm home, and we raise food on 56 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:20.240 our farm rather than commodities. 57 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.599 Right right, that's very fair. Okay, So our guess is 58 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.719 Howard's vigor. Howard Is calls himselves student of the soil. 59 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:31.039 His family farm in Iowa is mixed use, which is 60 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:35.439 kind of traditional. I think one reason why farmers recognize 61 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:37.960 this now scientifically that when you have all these diverse 62 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.479 animals on the farm, and the animals poop, I guess 63 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.800 that's hope, that's the correct term. You know, they enrich 64 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.240 the soil, and so the whole idea of being vegan 65 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.360 and using only vegetables and not using any animals in 66 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.800 the mix turns out to be a philosophical position, and 67 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.360 certainly you're entitled to that, but it doesn't really turn 68 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:58.680 out to be the best way to farm. Is that 69 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.080 an unfair statement that? I just. 70 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:02.719 No, it's not. 71 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:10.759 Without the animal integration in a farming operation, you don't 72 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:15.000 have the enrichment opportunity that you get from the the 73 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:20.319 urine and the feces from the animals, right. And it's 74 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.399 you know, regenerative is the term that is used to 75 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.120 describe our farm today and many other farms that are 76 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:34.560 like focused as we are, and that being improving the 77 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:40.040 soil in an ongoing basis, and regenerative truly does that. 78 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.079 It's just amazing. 79 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:48.040 What you are able to do for continual and ongoing 80 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:54.439 improvement of the soil when you implement these regenerative practices 81 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:59.360 and you know, the soil is that's the basis we're 82 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:04.720 all health comes from, if you know the I try 83 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:10.079 to get people to make the relationship between soil and 84 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:16.600 their digestive system or their their stomach. If you're if 85 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.959 you don't have happy bugs in your stomach, you're not 86 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.720 going to feel good, right, and you're not going to 87 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:28.079 get the maximum nutrient uptake out of the food that 88 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:32.240 you're consuming. The soil is the same way. The more 89 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:41.319 we can nurture the natural biological food web that the 90 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.800 Creator gave us to work within the soil, the better 91 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.519 the soil performs, the better the more resilient the soil 92 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:54.519 will be in both periods of drought and periods of 93 00:05:54.600 --> 00:06:00.439 excess moisture. And the nutrient density of the crost that 94 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:07.120 you will raise will far exceed those in the traditional 95 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:13.160 production model because and there's a lot of science that's coming, 96 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:17.319 thankfully to support this in a major way. When you 97 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:21.199 have the full aspect of the soil food web, the 98 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.279 bacteria of the fung guy, the protozoil of the micro 99 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:27.920 arthropods and nematodes, the amiba, when they're all functioning properly, 100 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:32.839 and you have that nutrient cycling occurring and the symbiotic 101 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:38.720 relationship between the plants and the soil and the microorganisms, 102 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:42.399 and then when you integrate the animal agriculture with that, 103 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.959 it's the way the Good Lord designed it to function. 104 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:51.000 Alrighty O, I guess Howard Liger Howard calls themselves students 105 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:54.639 of the soil. A former in Iowa family farm parents 106 00:06:54.680 --> 00:07:00.519 started it now, howard you because you're on camera. You 107 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:04.480 know we're filming via zoom. We only this is audio 108 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:09.120 we broadcast on AMFM radio. So you look reasonably young. 109 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.560 So in nineteen fifty nine were you even born yet 110 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:13.920 on your parents farm? 111 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.360 I was born in nineteen sixty one. 112 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:21.680 Okay, right, and so were your parents who taught you 113 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:27.480 these concepts which are now becoming more and more accepted scientifically. 114 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:31.199 But maybe we're laughed at twenty or thirty or forty 115 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.000 years ago more than laughed at. People would very dismiss 116 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:35.639 it as though, oh my god, you poor thing. You 117 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:40.120 just have no brains whatsoever. Were your parents into it 118 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.240 or did you learn simply through good fortune and reading 119 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.519 books were bumping into people and you thought, oh my goodness, 120 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:47.759 this is so important. 121 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:52.600 My father I wouldn't describe him as an early adapter 122 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:59.920 for full implementation of the traditional farming mechanisms. He probably 123 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:07.279 stayed in that rotational, more traditional at that time mode 124 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.720 longer than others may have. But the thing that really 125 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:15.079 turned me was I got married in July of nineteen 126 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:19.319 eighty one. My father died in August, and nineteen eighty 127 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:21.399 one was the worst year you could have started farming 128 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.560 in the last seventy five years. From an economic standpoint, 129 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.600 everything was high, and two and a half years later 130 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.600 the bottom fell out of it. So everything that I 131 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.559 owned was worth less than half of what I had 132 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:40.639 paid for it, and I struggled to survive, and thankfully 133 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:44.000 the Good Lord gave me the opportunity to do that. 134 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.440 In nineteen eighty eight, I put the crop in the 135 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.559 ground without any money borrowed against it, which I didn't 136 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:56.320 have a bank yet because of the financial issues. 137 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.600 We went through and survived. 138 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.759 In the mid eighties, but in eighty eight we had 139 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.559 a drought. So in nineteen eighty nine when I started 140 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.679 using what was known as alternative farming methods, it was 141 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:12.639 out of desperation. It wasn't any great plan or design. 142 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.399 But that's when I became a student of the soil. 143 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:18.679 And I have no problem admitting the more I know, 144 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.799 the more I know I don't know, because we have 145 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.080 been given such an amazing creation to be caretakers up 146 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:30.919 and I've been blessed to work with family farming operations 147 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:36.039 all across the US and Canada, helping them successfully reduce 148 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:43.080 their dependency and use of synthetic inputs and simultaneously improve 149 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:47.000 the health of their soil, their crops, and their families health. 150 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:53.440 And I started studying GMOs in nineteen ninety four, started 151 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:57.720 doing on farm research in nineteen ninety seven. I coordinated 152 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.559 a scientific study that was published in twenty thirteen where 153 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:04.120 we fed non GMO corn and soil and GMO corn 154 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:07.399 and SOI two pigs for their lifetime as a meat animal, 155 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.320 and we documented the adverse effects that we were seeing 156 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:18.159 anecdotally in the health of the animals of the farmers 157 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.639 that we worked with that were implement or trying using 158 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:29.000 these genetically engineered crops, and it was causing digestive issues 159 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:33.559 and reproductive issues consistently when they fed it. When you 160 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.039 took it away, the problem went away. When you put 161 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.759 it back, the problem came back. And after we had 162 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.480 done that research that I was blessed to be connected 163 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:47.840 with scientists literally from around the world on the subject 164 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:53.799 of glyphosate and other synthetic chemicals and have been involved 165 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.879 on the front lines, you might say, of documenting the 166 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:03.440 adverse effects that those compounds are having to the soil, 167 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.840 to the crops, to the animals, and to the people. 168 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:12.639 Wow, Okay, that sounds like some very important experiments you've 169 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.000 been doing and involved with some very good research. For 170 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.879 those just tuning into the show, I guess is Howard Lieger. 171 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.840 I'll spell that V L I E G E R. 172 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:23.720 And Howard calls himself a student of the soil and 173 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.240 he farms was now quote regeneratively, which really was really 174 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:33.279 traditional weds of farming using animal inputs and frankly gives 175 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.679 us great quality soil. Howard, back in the eighties, who 176 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:40.639 were you reading? Were you reading Rodale Press? Were you 177 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:44.360 reading Wendell Berry? I mean, who were you reading that 178 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.759 gave you this information which now you take for granted, 179 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.360 you know, but really at the time he thought, oh 180 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:52.840 my goodness, this is well fresh. Who were you reading then? 181 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.240 In the very beginning, I wasn't reading. I connected with 182 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.440 a company that was in the business of alternative farming, 183 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:07.039 and there was an education program as part of that 184 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:12.480 company that okay, we have this alternative approach, but you 185 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:16.159 have to understand how to use it. One of the 186 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:22.679 first researchers that I recognized was doctor William Albricks, and 187 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:25.480 he was at the University of Missouri. He was the 188 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.720 one that coined the phrase healthy soil, healthy plants, healthy animals, 189 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:29.840 healthy people. 190 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:31.519 And he. 191 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:39.320 Was viciously attacked by the powers that be for courageously 192 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:44.639 telling the truth about what was happening to crop inputs 193 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:51.120 as a result of the petrochemical companies taking over our 194 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:58.159 line grant universities and disrupting the normal research funding programs 195 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:02.279 that were in place that were ex designed to do 196 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.759 their job to help the farmers, which would subsequently help 197 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.279 all the consumers and the economy of the country. Right, 198 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:15.600 But they hijacked our land university system in our medical 199 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.519 school system simultaneously, many many years ago. 200 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:19.360 Right. 201 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.600 And by the way, Howard, that's actually, in my opinion, 202 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.120 historically you're accurate about that how they hijacked the system. 203 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.559 And I think only recently, say, within the past year 204 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.919 or two, have a larger number of Americans realized, oh, 205 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:39.399 my goodness, these are just businesses, pharmaceutical industry and chemical industry, 206 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.399 and they actually literally bought the university system and kind 207 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.720 of i'll use the word corrupted or bent the university 208 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.960 system so that now they're simply part of the business model. 209 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:54.480 And I think Americans, not all Americans, but many Americans 210 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.120 are waking up to that, and that is a shockingly 211 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.759 bad thing to be happening to the country. But maybe 212 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.360 that'll change. So please mention name of that researcher who 213 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.000 was attacked. What was the name of that man? 214 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:14.000 Doctor William Albrick was one of the original university researchers 215 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:19.440 that called out the okay, when there's a nutritional deficiency 216 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.879 in the soil that needs to be corrected with the 217 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:29.120 proper source of material, not the synthetic based components that 218 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:40.320 industry forced upon everyone. And you know, there were a 219 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.240 number of others. Doctor carry Reams was another one that 220 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:44.320 was in early. 221 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.919 Oh yes, Carrie Reams, right, Oh my goodness, Yes, I. 222 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:54.600 Studied his work and yeah, there's been and you know, 223 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:59.919 today I'm blessed to be connected with the pie in 224 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:05.279 ears of the regenerative movement worldwide. Gabe Brown Ray Archiletta 225 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.440 both very good friends of mine. Gabe wrote the book 226 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:16.000 Dirt to Soil and Desperation was his best friend too, 227 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:23.120 because three years of crop failure because of weather events 228 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:27.519 caused him to go down the regenerative pathway. So we 229 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:33.440 both started the same direction in a slightly different manner 230 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:35.039 for the same reason. 231 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.519 Right, Yeah, we have three years of crop failure in 232 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:42.159 a row. That must be bad for you financially and emotionally, 233 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.159 and you think yourself, oh my god, three years in 234 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.200 a row. But farming is very tough. I think sometimes 235 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.519 when you a little home gardener and you put something 236 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.360 in the ground and it grows, you think, oh my god, 237 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:53.799 I'm a genius. But when you realize how tough it 238 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.480 is to farm on a consistent basis and how many 239 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.039 variables there are, you start to have more appreciation for 240 00:15:59.960 --> 00:16:03.879 the farmers. How tough it is to farm. It's just 241 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.679 not a lark, and a lot of it is just 242 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.799 kind of outside of your realm of being able to 243 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:12.879 control it. It's really kind of a rough profession. Now, 244 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.799 if I can ask this, Howard, So you're in Iowa now, 245 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.320 and I know that you're concerned about the use of 246 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.840 chemicals and how dangerous they are and how much glyphisate 247 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.440 is being sprayed in the United States and throughout the world. 248 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:28.720 And I believe that Iowa has a very high incidence 249 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:34.639 of cancer among the citizens of Iowa because potentially, potentially 250 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:37.840 because of the use of glyphisate. That's terribly a controversial 251 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.799 statement in some quarters. But living in Iowa, are you 252 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.399 involved in that movement to bring that to people's attention, 253 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.519 and are you able to do that? Are people listening 254 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:51.919 to you now and to others like you now? 255 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:58.159 Yes, I am involved, and thankfully people are listening. 256 00:16:59.240 --> 00:16:59.919 We have. 257 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:06.759 Probably the most significant governor's race in my lifetime as 258 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:12.400 a voter taking place this year. Our primary is June second, 259 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:18.119 and there's five candidates on the Republican ticket and one 260 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:23.720 on the Democrat and I have been educating three of 261 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:26.559 the five. Well, actually I've educated four of the five 262 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.759 on the Republican side. One of them has obviously forgotten 263 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.599 everything I taught him or learned from the books that 264 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:41.079 I gave to him to read. But I'm optimistic about 265 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.240 what we can do. Because Zach Lane, specifically, one of 266 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.960 the candidates for governor, one of his primary talking two 267 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:53.279 of his primary talking points of his campaign is the 268 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:57.119 cancer rate and the water quality or lack of it 269 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:01.319 here in Iowa. And I know that the way we 270 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:06.240 fix that problem is starting with soil we and it's 271 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:11.319 not a complicated and difficult process nor expensive one. You 272 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.839 can just have to get the right education in the 273 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:21.680 hands of the producers and get them to treat their 274 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:27.680 number one asset kindly. Instead of adversely with all of 275 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:32.200 the synthetics, and it will be beneficial for the soil, 276 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.680 for their bottom line and for the quality of everything 277 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.279 that's produced, as well as the entire environment. When when 278 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.920 when you have healthy soil, the you know the nitrate 279 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.279 levels in the city of Des Moines, they're spending bukoo 280 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:49.960 bucks to remove the nitrates. 281 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:53.480 Well, if you fix the soil, that problem goes away. 282 00:18:53.480 --> 00:19:00.359 By sell you don't have nitrates leeching and contaminate the 283 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.920 aquifers and the water systems. When you have healthy soil 284 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:09.880 because of microbial activity, holds on to those nutrients rather 285 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:11.279 than allowing them to leach. 286 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.240 Howard, do you feel that the timing is right, that 287 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:20.599 the ideas that you studied and you know work is there? 288 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:22.759 I use the word critical mass. Is there all of 289 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:27.240 a sudden enough of us around that indeed one of 290 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.160 the candidates that you feel would be most beneficial for 291 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.400 the state of Iowa will actually get in and actually 292 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.400 make a change. Do you see that happening now? Is it? 293 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.000 Hold Let me before you answer that, let me say this. 294 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.359 So back in the late eighties, there was a movement 295 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.640 to ban cigarettes smoking in public places, and I and 296 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:48.880 my wisdom. I was in Florida at the time, thought 297 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:51.519 not never happened, that the bacco of industry is too powerful, 298 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.799 never happened. Well, when it did happen, I thought, Wow, 299 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.200 this is fantastic, and I called it completely wrong. I 300 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.920 had no sense of the political environment. Are we now 301 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.839 now in another moment in history for whatever reason or 302 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:06.880 combination of reasons that indeed the glycoside problem which is 303 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:11.119 now being recognized by many of us as really a 304 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:15.359 dangerous problem. Can things change now? Howard? In your opinion 305 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:16.720 in your state of Iowa. 306 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:22.160 I don't think we've ever in my lifetime, We've never 307 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.440 been at a better point of being able to. 308 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.559 Bring about this change. It's not going to be easy. 309 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:35.359 The bureaucratic ilk that's manifested is significant. But you know, 310 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:40.119 I'm blessed to call Robert F. Kennedy Junior a good friend. 311 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.839 I've worked with him since the end of twenty thirteen 312 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:47.960 on a variety of projects, and he has done more 313 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:55.599 to bring awareness to all of these issues than anyone else. Yes, Yes, Regrettably, 314 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:58.279 he's not getting the support that he should be getting 315 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.440 because of the power that be and the tremendous and 316 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:04.640 vast amounts of money. 317 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:05.119 You know that. 318 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:10.640 I'll send you an email which won't do any good now. 319 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.319 But it's an illustration that I put together in two 320 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:16.160 thousand and three for a group of farmers in here 321 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:20.240 in South Dakota that shows how the companies that are 322 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:26.319 in the seed, fertilizer, chemical and pharmaceutical business have built 323 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:30.279 this business model that is very self serving for them 324 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:36.960 and very detrimental to the soil, the animals, and the people. 325 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.519 No, Howard, I agree, Howard, we only have a few 326 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:42.480 minutes left. Please tell the listeners here's to your health 327 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:46.240 where they can contact you to find out more about 328 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:46.960 your good work. 329 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:53.079 I have a Facebook page, Howard Vigger. That's the only 330 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:56.000 means I don't have a website or anything like that. 331 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.319 Howard, do me if I have a spell your last 332 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:01.039 name for us and tell us once again how we 333 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:01.799 can contact you. 334 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:02.880 Okay. 335 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:12.119 My Facebook page is Howard Vliger Vlieger. 336 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:14.279 Glycasate. If people want to. 337 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:23.160 Have an initial education to that complex subject, I would 338 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:28.200 suggest they do an internet search understanding the basics of 339 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:32.640 glyphasay and then type children's health defense behind it. It's 340 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:36.519 a white paper that I wrote at Robert F. Kennedy 341 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:42.160 Junior's request in two thousand and nineteen into twenty nineteen, 342 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:45.200 and they published it. And it was my attempt to 343 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:51.720 give an elementary understanding of this complex compound that is 344 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.000 wreaking havoc in more ways than anybody could ever imagine 345 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.319 on the health of our environment and our people. 346 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:03.480 Boy, that's right, that's right. And Howard may ask this, So, 347 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:06.480 how can listeners of here's the health, Uh, maybe they 348 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.039 live in Iowa? Can they contact you directly and you 349 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.000 will ship better quality meat and produce to them directly? 350 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:12.319 Is at it? 351 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:15.480 We are? 352 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:20.799 Our business has grown to a point to where we're 353 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:24.039 limited in our expansion expansion capabilities. 354 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:29.079 On beef, we're maxed out. We have some opportunity in pork, 355 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.039 but it's it's really come more local than I ever 356 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:33.799 thought it would be. 357 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.559 We do ship, We do have some customers in California 358 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:43.079 and Washington and a few on the east side of 359 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:45.880 the country, but I'm not looking for more of that 360 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:51.559 long distance business because the the shipping is sporadic, right, 361 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.079 and expensive, and if it don't get there on time, then. 362 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.799 Right, no, good, it doesn't work. 363 00:23:57.960 --> 00:23:58.920 No, it doesn't work at all. 364 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.240 Really, we've really seeing the local demand increase in a 365 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.920 way that I quite frankly never would have anticipated, certainly 366 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:09.920 not in the early nineties. 367 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.240 Well that's a great thing. We simply have run out 368 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:14.160 of time. I guess Howard Leieger let me spell that 369 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.839 last name. V l I e g Er calls themselves 370 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.079 Student of the Soil, doing really important work on improving 371 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.519 the quality of the soil, which improves the quality of 372 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.160 the vegetables and fruits and animals that we consume and 373 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.079 makes us healthier. Seems very simple after you know it. 374 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.680 Everything is easy after you know it. This is Josh Lane. 375 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:35.920 You're listening to Hear's to your health. 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