Speaker 1: Welcome to Here's to Your Health With Joshua Lane. Here's
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Speaker 2: Welcome to this edition of Here's to Your Health. I'm
Speaker 2: your host, Joshu Lane. We are now many of us
Speaker 2: concerned about our health, and we also recognize that the
Speaker 2: health of the soil is important. When the soil is
Speaker 2: richer nutrients, the plants we grow, the animals we graze
Speaker 2: absorb these nutrients and the food has more, better taste,
Speaker 2: and more food value, and more and more of us
Speaker 2: recognize that these days. And our guest is Howard's Leger,
Speaker 2: and Howard it calls himself a student of the soil.
Speaker 2: He is a farmer in the Midwest, and his family
Speaker 2: were farmers, and he understands the importance of the health
Speaker 2: of the soil, and he has understood that for more
Speaker 2: than probably about forty years, and so when someone has
Speaker 2: that kind of long term commitment to his subject, they
Speaker 2: can really bring depth of information to this really important
Speaker 2: topic that is the health of our soil and therefore
Speaker 2: our health. Howard, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having me. Appreciate the opportunity
Speaker 3: to share information with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very happy to have you on. So again for
Speaker 2: the listeners of Here's to your health. So where is
Speaker 2: your farm located? And the farm, as I understand it
Speaker 2: was started by your mom and dad? Is that correct?
Speaker 3: I am fortunate to live on the farm that my
Speaker 3: folks moved on to in nineteen fifty nine. They bought
Speaker 3: the farm from Bill and Margaret McDonald in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3: So I literally live on old McDonald's farm.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I'll tell your truth. That's really good. That's,
Speaker 2: by the way, very delightful. That's really good. I like
Speaker 2: that a lot. And so this farm when you when
Speaker 2: your parents purchased it in fifty nine, what was what?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Of course the farming was different then, so was it
Speaker 2: a mixed use farm? What was happening in fifty nine?
Speaker 2: And by the way, excuse me, where can I ask
Speaker 2: where the farm is?
Speaker 4: Northwest Iowa?
Speaker 2: Is where we're located, Okay, Okay, And so what were
Speaker 2: they growing in fifty nine?
Speaker 3: It was a diverse farm. Back then, most all farms
Speaker 3: were diverse. They had multiple crops, there were rotations. My
Speaker 3: dad had crops and livestock. We had chickens, we had pork, hogs,
Speaker 3: we had cattle, we had sheep. And you know today
Speaker 3: we're continuing that tradition to a degree. I guess you
Speaker 3: would say we direct market beef, pork, chicken, turkey, lamb, eggs,
Speaker 3: and milk.
Speaker 4: I milk a cow by hand.
Speaker 3: Every morning when I'm home, and we raise food on
Speaker 3: our farm rather than commodities.
Speaker 2: Right right, that's very fair. Okay, So our guess is
Speaker 2: Howard's vigor. Howard Is calls himselves student of the soil.
Speaker 2: His family farm in Iowa is mixed use, which is
Speaker 2: kind of traditional. I think one reason why farmers recognize
Speaker 2: this now scientifically that when you have all these diverse
Speaker 2: animals on the farm, and the animals poop, I guess
Speaker 2: that's hope, that's the correct term. You know, they enrich
Speaker 2: the soil, and so the whole idea of being vegan
Speaker 2: and using only vegetables and not using any animals in
Speaker 2: the mix turns out to be a philosophical position, and
Speaker 2: certainly you're entitled to that, but it doesn't really turn
Speaker 2: out to be the best way to farm. Is that
Speaker 2: an unfair statement that? I just.
Speaker 4: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: Without the animal integration in a farming operation, you don't
Speaker 3: have the enrichment opportunity that you get from the the
Speaker 3: urine and the feces from the animals, right. And it's
Speaker 3: you know, regenerative is the term that is used to
Speaker 3: describe our farm today and many other farms that are
Speaker 3: like focused as we are, and that being improving the
Speaker 3: soil in an ongoing basis, and regenerative truly does that.
Speaker 4: It's just amazing.
Speaker 3: What you are able to do for continual and ongoing
Speaker 3: improvement of the soil when you implement these regenerative practices
Speaker 3: and you know, the soil is that's the basis we're
Speaker 3: all health comes from, if you know the I try
Speaker 3: to get people to make the relationship between soil and
Speaker 3: their digestive system or their their stomach. If you're if
Speaker 3: you don't have happy bugs in your stomach, you're not
Speaker 3: going to feel good, right, and you're not going to
Speaker 3: get the maximum nutrient uptake out of the food that
Speaker 3: you're consuming. The soil is the same way. The more
Speaker 3: we can nurture the natural biological food web that the
Speaker 3: Creator gave us to work within the soil, the better
Speaker 3: the soil performs, the better the more resilient the soil
Speaker 3: will be in both periods of drought and periods of
Speaker 3: excess moisture. And the nutrient density of the crost that
Speaker 3: you will raise will far exceed those in the traditional
Speaker 3: production model because and there's a lot of science that's coming,
Speaker 3: thankfully to support this in a major way. When you
Speaker 3: have the full aspect of the soil food web, the
Speaker 3: bacteria of the fung guy, the protozoil of the micro
Speaker 3: arthropods and nematodes, the amiba, when they're all functioning properly,
Speaker 3: and you have that nutrient cycling occurring and the symbiotic
Speaker 3: relationship between the plants and the soil and the microorganisms,
Speaker 3: and then when you integrate the animal agriculture with that,
Speaker 3: it's the way the Good Lord designed it to function.
Speaker 2: Alrighty O, I guess Howard Liger Howard calls themselves students
Speaker 2: of the soil. A former in Iowa family farm parents
Speaker 2: started it now, howard you because you're on camera. You
Speaker 2: know we're filming via zoom. We only this is audio
Speaker 2: we broadcast on AMFM radio. So you look reasonably young.
Speaker 2: So in nineteen fifty nine were you even born yet
Speaker 2: on your parents farm?
Speaker 4: I was born in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, and so were your parents who taught you
Speaker 2: these concepts which are now becoming more and more accepted scientifically.
Speaker 2: But maybe we're laughed at twenty or thirty or forty
Speaker 2: years ago more than laughed at. People would very dismiss
Speaker 2: it as though, oh my god, you poor thing. You
Speaker 2: just have no brains whatsoever. Were your parents into it
Speaker 2: or did you learn simply through good fortune and reading
Speaker 2: books were bumping into people and you thought, oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: this is so important.
Speaker 3: My father I wouldn't describe him as an early adapter
Speaker 3: for full implementation of the traditional farming mechanisms. He probably
Speaker 3: stayed in that rotational, more traditional at that time mode
Speaker 3: longer than others may have. But the thing that really
Speaker 3: turned me was I got married in July of nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty one. My father died in August, and nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: one was the worst year you could have started farming
Speaker 3: in the last seventy five years. From an economic standpoint,
Speaker 3: everything was high, and two and a half years later
Speaker 3: the bottom fell out of it. So everything that I
Speaker 3: owned was worth less than half of what I had
Speaker 3: paid for it, and I struggled to survive, and thankfully
Speaker 3: the Good Lord gave me the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty eight, I put the crop in the
Speaker 3: ground without any money borrowed against it, which I didn't
Speaker 3: have a bank yet because of the financial issues.
Speaker 4: We went through and survived.
Speaker 3: In the mid eighties, but in eighty eight we had
Speaker 3: a drought. So in nineteen eighty nine when I started
Speaker 3: using what was known as alternative farming methods, it was
Speaker 3: out of desperation. It wasn't any great plan or design.
Speaker 3: But that's when I became a student of the soil.
Speaker 3: And I have no problem admitting the more I know,
Speaker 3: the more I know I don't know, because we have
Speaker 3: been given such an amazing creation to be caretakers up
Speaker 3: and I've been blessed to work with family farming operations
Speaker 3: all across the US and Canada, helping them successfully reduce
Speaker 3: their dependency and use of synthetic inputs and simultaneously improve
Speaker 3: the health of their soil, their crops, and their families health.
Speaker 3: And I started studying GMOs in nineteen ninety four, started
Speaker 3: doing on farm research in nineteen ninety seven. I coordinated
Speaker 3: a scientific study that was published in twenty thirteen where
Speaker 3: we fed non GMO corn and soil and GMO corn
Speaker 3: and SOI two pigs for their lifetime as a meat animal,
Speaker 3: and we documented the adverse effects that we were seeing
Speaker 3: anecdotally in the health of the animals of the farmers
Speaker 3: that we worked with that were implement or trying using
Speaker 3: these genetically engineered crops, and it was causing digestive issues
Speaker 3: and reproductive issues consistently when they fed it. When you
Speaker 3: took it away, the problem went away. When you put
Speaker 3: it back, the problem came back. And after we had
Speaker 3: done that research that I was blessed to be connected
Speaker 3: with scientists literally from around the world on the subject
Speaker 3: of glyphosate and other synthetic chemicals and have been involved
Speaker 3: on the front lines, you might say, of documenting the
Speaker 3: adverse effects that those compounds are having to the soil,
Speaker 3: to the crops, to the animals, and to the people.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, that sounds like some very important experiments you've
Speaker 2: been doing and involved with some very good research. For
Speaker 2: those just tuning into the show, I guess is Howard Lieger.
Speaker 2: I'll spell that V L I E G E R.
Speaker 2: And Howard calls himself a student of the soil and
Speaker 2: he farms was now quote regeneratively, which really was really
Speaker 2: traditional weds of farming using animal inputs and frankly gives
Speaker 2: us great quality soil. Howard, back in the eighties, who
Speaker 2: were you reading? Were you reading Rodale Press? Were you
Speaker 2: reading Wendell Berry? I mean, who were you reading that
Speaker 2: gave you this information which now you take for granted,
Speaker 2: you know, but really at the time he thought, oh
Speaker 2: my goodness, this is well fresh. Who were you reading then?
Speaker 3: In the very beginning, I wasn't reading. I connected with
Speaker 3: a company that was in the business of alternative farming,
Speaker 3: and there was an education program as part of that
Speaker 3: company that okay, we have this alternative approach, but you
Speaker 3: have to understand how to use it. One of the
Speaker 3: first researchers that I recognized was doctor William Albricks, and
Speaker 3: he was at the University of Missouri. He was the
Speaker 3: one that coined the phrase healthy soil, healthy plants, healthy animals,
Speaker 3: healthy people.
Speaker 4: And he.
Speaker 3: Was viciously attacked by the powers that be for courageously
Speaker 3: telling the truth about what was happening to crop inputs
Speaker 3: as a result of the petrochemical companies taking over our
Speaker 3: line grant universities and disrupting the normal research funding programs
Speaker 3: that were in place that were ex designed to do
Speaker 3: their job to help the farmers, which would subsequently help
Speaker 3: all the consumers and the economy of the country. Right,
Speaker 3: But they hijacked our land university system in our medical
Speaker 3: school system simultaneously, many many years ago.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Howard, that's actually, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: historically you're accurate about that how they hijacked the system.
Speaker 2: And I think only recently, say, within the past year
Speaker 2: or two, have a larger number of Americans realized, oh,
Speaker 2: my goodness, these are just businesses, pharmaceutical industry and chemical industry,
Speaker 2: and they actually literally bought the university system and kind
Speaker 2: of i'll use the word corrupted or bent the university
Speaker 2: system so that now they're simply part of the business model.
Speaker 2: And I think Americans, not all Americans, but many Americans
Speaker 2: are waking up to that, and that is a shockingly
Speaker 2: bad thing to be happening to the country. But maybe
Speaker 2: that'll change. So please mention name of that researcher who
Speaker 2: was attacked. What was the name of that man?
Speaker 3: Doctor William Albrick was one of the original university researchers
Speaker 3: that called out the okay, when there's a nutritional deficiency
Speaker 3: in the soil that needs to be corrected with the
Speaker 3: proper source of material, not the synthetic based components that
Speaker 3: industry forced upon everyone. And you know, there were a
Speaker 3: number of others. Doctor carry Reams was another one that
Speaker 3: was in early.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Carrie Reams, right, Oh my goodness, Yes, I.
Speaker 3: Studied his work and yeah, there's been and you know,
Speaker 3: today I'm blessed to be connected with the pie in
Speaker 3: ears of the regenerative movement worldwide. Gabe Brown Ray Archiletta
Speaker 3: both very good friends of mine. Gabe wrote the book
Speaker 3: Dirt to Soil and Desperation was his best friend too,
Speaker 3: because three years of crop failure because of weather events
Speaker 3: caused him to go down the regenerative pathway. So we
Speaker 3: both started the same direction in a slightly different manner
Speaker 3: for the same reason.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we have three years of crop failure in
Speaker 2: a row. That must be bad for you financially and emotionally,
Speaker 2: and you think yourself, oh my god, three years in
Speaker 2: a row. But farming is very tough. I think sometimes
Speaker 2: when you a little home gardener and you put something
Speaker 2: in the ground and it grows, you think, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm a genius. But when you realize how tough it
Speaker 2: is to farm on a consistent basis and how many
Speaker 2: variables there are, you start to have more appreciation for
Speaker 2: the farmers. How tough it is to farm. It's just
Speaker 2: not a lark, and a lot of it is just
Speaker 2: kind of outside of your realm of being able to
Speaker 2: control it. It's really kind of a rough profession. Now,
Speaker 2: if I can ask this, Howard, So you're in Iowa now,
Speaker 2: and I know that you're concerned about the use of
Speaker 2: chemicals and how dangerous they are and how much glyphisate
Speaker 2: is being sprayed in the United States and throughout the world.
Speaker 2: And I believe that Iowa has a very high incidence
Speaker 2: of cancer among the citizens of Iowa because potentially, potentially
Speaker 2: because of the use of glyphisate. That's terribly a controversial
Speaker 2: statement in some quarters. But living in Iowa, are you
Speaker 2: involved in that movement to bring that to people's attention,
Speaker 2: and are you able to do that? Are people listening
Speaker 2: to you now and to others like you now?
Speaker 3: Yes, I am involved, and thankfully people are listening.
Speaker 4: We have.
Speaker 3: Probably the most significant governor's race in my lifetime as
Speaker 3: a voter taking place this year. Our primary is June second,
Speaker 3: and there's five candidates on the Republican ticket and one
Speaker 3: on the Democrat and I have been educating three of
Speaker 3: the five. Well, actually I've educated four of the five
Speaker 3: on the Republican side. One of them has obviously forgotten
Speaker 3: everything I taught him or learned from the books that
Speaker 3: I gave to him to read. But I'm optimistic about
Speaker 3: what we can do. Because Zach Lane, specifically, one of
Speaker 3: the candidates for governor, one of his primary talking two
Speaker 3: of his primary talking points of his campaign is the
Speaker 3: cancer rate and the water quality or lack of it
Speaker 3: here in Iowa. And I know that the way we
Speaker 3: fix that problem is starting with soil we and it's
Speaker 3: not a complicated and difficult process nor expensive one. You
Speaker 3: can just have to get the right education in the
Speaker 3: hands of the producers and get them to treat their
Speaker 3: number one asset kindly. Instead of adversely with all of
Speaker 3: the synthetics, and it will be beneficial for the soil,
Speaker 3: for their bottom line and for the quality of everything
Speaker 3: that's produced, as well as the entire environment. When when
Speaker 3: when you have healthy soil, the you know the nitrate
Speaker 3: levels in the city of Des Moines, they're spending bukoo
Speaker 3: bucks to remove the nitrates.
Speaker 4: Well, if you fix the soil, that problem goes away.
Speaker 3: By sell you don't have nitrates leeching and contaminate the
Speaker 3: aquifers and the water systems. When you have healthy soil
Speaker 3: because of microbial activity, holds on to those nutrients rather
Speaker 3: than allowing them to leach.
Speaker 2: Howard, do you feel that the timing is right, that
Speaker 2: the ideas that you studied and you know work is there?
Speaker 2: I use the word critical mass. Is there all of
Speaker 2: a sudden enough of us around that indeed one of
Speaker 2: the candidates that you feel would be most beneficial for
Speaker 2: the state of Iowa will actually get in and actually
Speaker 2: make a change. Do you see that happening now? Is it?
Speaker 2: Hold Let me before you answer that, let me say this.
Speaker 2: So back in the late eighties, there was a movement
Speaker 2: to ban cigarettes smoking in public places, and I and
Speaker 2: my wisdom. I was in Florida at the time, thought
Speaker 2: not never happened, that the bacco of industry is too powerful,
Speaker 2: never happened. Well, when it did happen, I thought, Wow,
Speaker 2: this is fantastic, and I called it completely wrong. I
Speaker 2: had no sense of the political environment. Are we now
Speaker 2: now in another moment in history for whatever reason or
Speaker 2: combination of reasons that indeed the glycoside problem which is
Speaker 2: now being recognized by many of us as really a
Speaker 2: dangerous problem. Can things change now? Howard? In your opinion
Speaker 2: in your state of Iowa.
Speaker 3: I don't think we've ever in my lifetime, We've never
Speaker 3: been at a better point of being able to.
Speaker 4: Bring about this change. It's not going to be easy.
Speaker 3: The bureaucratic ilk that's manifested is significant. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm blessed to call Robert F. Kennedy Junior a good friend.
Speaker 3: I've worked with him since the end of twenty thirteen
Speaker 3: on a variety of projects, and he has done more
Speaker 3: to bring awareness to all of these issues than anyone else. Yes, Yes, Regrettably,
Speaker 3: he's not getting the support that he should be getting
Speaker 3: because of the power that be and the tremendous and
Speaker 3: vast amounts of money.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 3: I'll send you an email which won't do any good now.
Speaker 3: But it's an illustration that I put together in two
Speaker 3: thousand and three for a group of farmers in here
Speaker 3: in South Dakota that shows how the companies that are
Speaker 3: in the seed, fertilizer, chemical and pharmaceutical business have built
Speaker 3: this business model that is very self serving for them
Speaker 3: and very detrimental to the soil, the animals, and the people.
Speaker 2: No, Howard, I agree, Howard, we only have a few
Speaker 2: minutes left. Please tell the listeners here's to your health
Speaker 2: where they can contact you to find out more about
Speaker 2: your good work.
Speaker 3: I have a Facebook page, Howard Vigger. That's the only
Speaker 3: means I don't have a website or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Howard, do me if I have a spell your last
Speaker 2: name for us and tell us once again how we
Speaker 2: can contact you.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: My Facebook page is Howard Vliger Vlieger.
Speaker 4: Glycasate. If people want to.
Speaker 3: Have an initial education to that complex subject, I would
Speaker 3: suggest they do an internet search understanding the basics of
Speaker 3: glyphasay and then type children's health defense behind it. It's
Speaker 3: a white paper that I wrote at Robert F. Kennedy
Speaker 3: Junior's request in two thousand and nineteen into twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: and they published it. And it was my attempt to
Speaker 3: give an elementary understanding of this complex compound that is
Speaker 3: wreaking havoc in more ways than anybody could ever imagine
Speaker 3: on the health of our environment and our people.
Speaker 2: Boy, that's right, that's right. And Howard may ask this, So,
Speaker 2: how can listeners of here's the health, Uh, maybe they
Speaker 2: live in Iowa? Can they contact you directly and you
Speaker 2: will ship better quality meat and produce to them directly?
Speaker 2: Is at it?
Speaker 5: We are?
Speaker 3: Our business has grown to a point to where we're
Speaker 3: limited in our expansion expansion capabilities.
Speaker 4: On beef, we're maxed out. We have some opportunity in pork,
Speaker 4: but it's it's really come more local than I ever
Speaker 4: thought it would be.
Speaker 3: We do ship, We do have some customers in California
Speaker 3: and Washington and a few on the east side of
Speaker 3: the country, but I'm not looking for more of that
Speaker 3: long distance business because the the shipping is sporadic, right,
Speaker 3: and expensive, and if it don't get there on time, then.
Speaker 4: Right, no, good, it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't work at all.
Speaker 3: Really, we've really seeing the local demand increase in a
Speaker 3: way that I quite frankly never would have anticipated, certainly
Speaker 3: not in the early nineties.
Speaker 2: Well that's a great thing. We simply have run out
Speaker 2: of time. I guess Howard Leieger let me spell that
Speaker 2: last name. V l I e g Er calls themselves
Speaker 2: Student of the Soil, doing really important work on improving
Speaker 2: the quality of the soil, which improves the quality of
Speaker 2: the vegetables and fruits and animals that we consume and
Speaker 2: makes us healthier. Seems very simple after you know it.
Speaker 2: Everything is easy after you know it. This is Josh Lane.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to this edition of the Heroes to Your Health.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Josh Lane. We all are interested in
Speaker 2: being healthy and strong and having great healthy lives and
Speaker 2: with great healthy body. And my guest is Lynna McKenzie.
Speaker 2: And Lynna McKenzie is the author of a new book
Speaker 2: called Help Yourself Healed with Natural Remedies, and Linda McKenzie
Speaker 2: has I'm happy to say, been doing this for you know, oh,
Speaker 2: probably forty years, and so therefore it's nice to be
Speaker 2: involved with the subject for three or four or five years.
Speaker 2: You certainly can know a lot and have a lot
Speaker 2: to teach. But when you've been doing it for all
Speaker 2: this time, it really gives you a real, i think,
Speaker 2: sense of the entire enormity of the subject. And Linda McKenzie,
Speaker 2: I think has that. And Linda McKenzie again wrote the
Speaker 2: book again, Help Yourself Heal with Natural Remedies. Linda McKenzie,
Speaker 2: welcome for the show.
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm so glad to be here. I think I
Speaker 5: was on your show about I don't know you've been
Speaker 5: on air almost as long as I have, and I
Speaker 5: think I was on your show once before, and it's
Speaker 5: really glad to be here again.
Speaker 2: Oh good, thank you very much, thank you. I'm happy
Speaker 2: to have you on now talking about the subject. And
Speaker 2: I guess now there's a certain time now. For whatever reason,
Speaker 2: more and more people are interested in wellness and they
Speaker 2: recognize that the subject maybe had more to offer than
Speaker 2: they realize. And while the MD can be helped if
Speaker 2: you break an armor, some things certainly very helpful there,
Speaker 2: but they also recognize that the nutrition is important, and
Speaker 2: herbs are important, and exercise is important, and a cleaner environment,
Speaker 2: things that more and more Americans and around the world
Speaker 2: recognize and sow your book Help Yourself here with natural remedies.
Speaker 2: What is it that you can mention to the listeners
Speaker 2: of hear's true health that they really might not know
Speaker 2: but would really help them.
Speaker 5: Well. I believe that there's always a mental cause for
Speaker 5: an illness as well as a physical cause. That it
Speaker 5: makes sense if you think about how most illnesses is
Speaker 5: caused by stress. It's environmental stress, physical stress, and mental stress.
Speaker 5: So many different kinds of stresses, and they break down
Speaker 5: the body and then the body is there able to
Speaker 5: absorb illnesses or disease, And so if you know what
Speaker 5: the mental cause of this is, then you can help
Speaker 5: on a mental level to kind of get yourself going.
Speaker 5: The other thing that's very important to understand is intention. Okay,
Speaker 5: what you think is so important to healing. So if
Speaker 5: you feel like a medical doctor is going to heal you,
Speaker 5: and it will. If you feel that a natural way
Speaker 5: is going to heal you, it will. Our bodies are
Speaker 5: working twenty four to seven days, twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 5: seven days a week, three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 5: a year just to heal us. And so if we
Speaker 5: have the right mindset and keep positive, because positive attitudes
Speaker 5: and intentions actually increase help the immunity of the body
Speaker 5: increase and help you fight off disease rather than negative
Speaker 5: and gloom. I think is a very big helpful hint
Speaker 5: for people to stay positive and to be open.
Speaker 2: Right right, our guest is Linda Mackenzie, author of a
Speaker 2: new book called Help Yourself Heal with Natural Remedies. Now, Linda,
Speaker 2: as you've been doing this for a very long time,
Speaker 2: what first moved you towards the idea of I'll use
Speaker 2: the word broad term wellness, that is, you know, food, exercise,
Speaker 2: cleaner environment. What did did your mom and dad talk
Speaker 2: about it to you? Did you bump into it when
Speaker 2: you're in college? I mean when did when did you
Speaker 2: learn about wellness?
Speaker 5: Well? I think we're all interested in becoming healthy in
Speaker 5: natural methods. I never I have been medical free, you know.
Speaker 5: I haven't been to a doctor since nineteen ninety two
Speaker 5: except for cataract surgery, which I did not take any anesthetic.
Speaker 5: I did by hypnosis. So and because I don't take drugs,
Speaker 5: and I'll be seventy seven next month and I am
Speaker 5: on no drugs and I'm in perfect health. And I
Speaker 5: do think it's because of the natural lifestyle that I do.
Speaker 5: But I think it came to forefront because in nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty seven I got chronic fatigue syndrome, and at that
Speaker 5: point I was still going to doctors and doing all
Speaker 5: of that. And you have to understand that I was
Speaker 5: married to a biochemist that worked for merch Sharp and Dome,
Speaker 5: and I dated a doctor for five to six years.
Speaker 5: So I understand the background of all of that, and
Speaker 5: so I can have a judgment through actual practical methods
Speaker 5: rather than just I don't like this, you know. So
Speaker 5: when I got chronic fatigue, it was at a time
Speaker 5: epstein bar virus chronic critique when nobody knew what it was.
Speaker 5: And so I went and tried to heal and they
Speaker 5: would hit me in different spots, and they said I
Speaker 5: had a brain tumor, and then I said I had this,
Speaker 5: and I had that. And after ten thousand dollars at
Speaker 5: Script's clinic trying to figure out and I was an
Speaker 5: engineer at the time with security clearances and so at
Speaker 5: that point in time, you couldn't go to a psychologist
Speaker 5: or anything without having your security clearances revoked. Okay, So
Speaker 5: and they kept on telling me that I was crazy,
Speaker 5: that I, you know, I had better go to a psychiatrist,
Speaker 5: and because they couldn't figure it out, so I went
Speaker 5: to Scripts Clinics, spent ten thousand dollars of my own money,
Speaker 5: and they said, oh, yeah, you have epstein bar and
Speaker 5: your tighter count is way beyond the charts. We've never
Speaker 5: seen anybody like it. So at that point I knew,
Speaker 5: and they offered me prozac and I said, I'm not
Speaker 5: doing that, thank you. So I went back and I
Speaker 5: started doing research and I called up this hypnotherapist and
Speaker 5: I said, can you teach me to heal? And then
Speaker 5: I later got and I did. I started healing myself
Speaker 5: and I changed my diet and I found this really
Speaker 5: great doctor who was a medical doctor, a homeopath, a
Speaker 5: vitamin and herbalist. Was he had an accupunt in Chinese medicine.
Speaker 5: He was as a matter of fact, now he goes
Speaker 5: around the world lecturing on chronic fatigue. And he told me, okay,
Speaker 5: you have to go on this diet. If you go
Speaker 5: on this diet, you'll be okay. He goes, chronic fatigue
Speaker 5: never leaves you, and he says, it's always resides in
Speaker 5: the spine. He said, but if you go on stay
Speaker 5: on this diet, it's a very high immune system diet.
Speaker 5: He said, you can manage the disease. So I did,
Speaker 5: and then I got very very interested in natural health
Speaker 5: at that point because the medical doctors couldn't do anything
Speaker 5: for me. And I actually healed myself within I started
Speaker 5: healing in about three months, but I was fully healed
Speaker 5: in two years and I haven't and I with all
Speaker 5: the stuff and projects that I do, I work almost
Speaker 5: eighteen hours a day, seven days a week, so I
Speaker 5: have a lot of editor no more chronic foutique.
Speaker 2: Wow. Our guest is Linda McKenzie. Linda McKenzie author of
Speaker 2: Help Yourself Here with Natural Remedies. So, Linda, you know what,
Speaker 2: I really liked your story because it's a positive story,
Speaker 2: but also I like the way you worked in the
Speaker 2: time frame. Sometimes people think, well, I've been taking these
Speaker 2: vitamins for two days, I don't feel better. Why is that?
Speaker 2: And you mentioned with chronic fatigue, how in six months
Speaker 2: you think I feel a lot better and in two
Speaker 2: years I think, gee, I am really feel back tip
Speaker 2: tiptop shape. Because the timeframe is very important when you
Speaker 2: work with people who have illnesses. Do you work in
Speaker 2: the time frame, let them know here's what you can expect.
Speaker 5: And when well, basically I don't really work with people
Speaker 5: so much anymore. What happens is that I later became
Speaker 5: president of a dietary supplement manufacturing company where we were
Speaker 5: the first to combine mind body medicine. Of my girlfriend,
Speaker 5: who was my partner, we had a place in New
Speaker 5: York and a place a manufacturing company in California, and
Speaker 5: she was vice president of GNC for many years. So
Speaker 5: she designed the vitamins, and I designed, being that I
Speaker 5: now almost have a PhD. In hypnotherapy, all the visualization tapes.
Speaker 5: So when we would do a vitamin we would say, okay,
Speaker 5: she developed this fantastic arthritis formula. And then I would
Speaker 5: also do the mind thing where you could listen to
Speaker 5: the tapes and you would heal. And then we later
Speaker 5: were some that put in the We were really the
Speaker 5: first ones to put in Chinese medicine in pill bottles
Speaker 5: in the United States, and later on I got Who's
Speaker 5: Who in healthcare medicine in healthcare, I got a award
Speaker 5: for that kind of nomenclature for that. But being that
Speaker 5: I was in the vitamin company, I knew the industry secrets,
Speaker 5: and so in this book, help yourself here with natural Remedies.
Speaker 5: In the back of the book, I actually show you
Speaker 5: how to select vitamins, what is real, what is not,
Speaker 5: what to look for, and also explain that natural health
Speaker 5: methods take a little bit longer to work than drug therapy.
Speaker 5: So I tell anyone that is, if they ask me
Speaker 5: if what can take, what I can take and stuff,
Speaker 5: I'd say, well, remember it's going to take you know,
Speaker 5: six to eight weeks. It takes six to eight weeks
Speaker 5: to change a mindset. You know, if you have a
Speaker 5: negative thought pattern that's going around in your head and
Speaker 5: you can't break it, even working on it, you will
Speaker 5: break in about six weeks. That's the standard. So six
Speaker 5: weeks is about when you can start seeing some really
Speaker 5: good benefits from it, sometimes immediately.
Speaker 2: What our guest, Linda McKenzie, author of a book called
Speaker 2: Help Yourself Hear What Not your Remedies? So, Linda, where
Speaker 2: can listeners have here's to your health contact you to
Speaker 2: buy you a book Help Yourself Heal with Natural Remedies.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of places to get me. But
Speaker 5: you can get it on Amazon dot com, It's in Target, Walmart,
Speaker 5: it's in you know, Barnes and Noble and any bookstore.
Speaker 5: You can order it. And you can go to my
Speaker 5: website Linda McKenzie dot net and that's m A C
Speaker 5: K E N z I E Linda McKenzie dot net
Speaker 5: and uh that will have a lot of information on
Speaker 5: there as well, right, and then I and also at
Speaker 5: healthylife dot net.
Speaker 2: All right, and so here's an important question. So why
Speaker 2: are people moving to alternative medicine away from the so
Speaker 2: called allopathic or Western medicine. Why why is that movement occurring?
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's a big question, the big question. But
Speaker 5: it is basically because Western medicine has fallen down.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, when I was a kid, you had a
Speaker 5: general practitioner and you went there and he knew all
Speaker 5: about you. He knew about stomachs and headaches and appendices,
Speaker 5: appendicitis and all that, whereas today medicine has become very specialized.
Speaker 5: I remember when I was dating the doctor back in
Speaker 5: the eighties, they a bunch of doctors said, Hey, these
Speaker 5: HMOs are going to come in and they're going to
Speaker 5: present this thing about doing HMOs and to the American
Speaker 5: Medical Association. We're not good in business. Can you come
Speaker 5: down and talk for us? And I did, and I
Speaker 5: started asking a lot of questions. And when the doctors
Speaker 5: asked me, I said, don't do it. I said, you're
Speaker 5: going to lose all your autonomy of medicine, and everything
Speaker 5: is going to be from an insurance based standard, and
Speaker 5: medicine is going to slip. I don't have a lot
Speaker 5: of say in the national things, and so therefore, basically
Speaker 5: it's too expensive for people. The insurance companies do not
Speaker 5: cover things. And back in the day when this started
Speaker 5: to get crazy, people started to say, I can't pay
Speaker 5: for this, and they started looking at other alternatives, and
Speaker 5: so that's what they did, and they found that natural
Speaker 5: medicine worked, and so there was a big pull about going,
Speaker 5: you know, going towards natural medicine, and the pharmaceutical companies
Speaker 5: didn't like that, and so they went in and tried
Speaker 5: to put in a lot of legislation to stop home
Speaker 5: homeopathy and all that, and they couldn't do it. So
Speaker 5: they went in and they bought the companies, which is
Speaker 5: why my partner and I got out of business. We
Speaker 5: couldn't compete with large companies. And then the big pharma
Speaker 5: would come in and they would put in, in some
Speaker 5: cases not all, but most they would put in synthetic
Speaker 5: vitamins like synthetic ease and synthetic SE's that don't work
Speaker 5: the same. And so people got discouraged and not being
Speaker 5: able to heal, and the insurance companies not paying for
Speaker 5: things and waiting six weeks. They would say, Okay, if
Speaker 5: you have to go to get a test, you have
Speaker 5: to wait six weeks. Now, my daughter had some kind
Speaker 5: of thing and she goes to Western Medicine and they said,
Speaker 5: you can't get tested for these allergies for six months.
Speaker 5: What she's paying two thousand dollars a month for a
Speaker 5: family plan and you have to wait six months? And
Speaker 5: I said stop. So I said, what's going on here?
Speaker 5: Take this, Take this, Take this. Six weeks later she went.
Speaker 5: She went for the test and she was allergic to
Speaker 5: dust or whatever. But they couldn't do a test like that.
Speaker 5: There's easy ways to find out if you're allergic to something,
Speaker 5: especially a food. You just eat the food. You take
Speaker 5: your your blood pressure, you know, at a standing rate
Speaker 5: when you get up in the morning, and just like
Speaker 5: you used to do in aerobics, and then you eat
Speaker 5: just that specific food and wait twenty minutes. If you
Speaker 5: then take your blood pressure again, if you blood pressure races,
Speaker 5: you probably allergic to that food. And here's the funny
Speaker 5: thing is that you can be allergic to a food
Speaker 5: for one month, but you may not be allergic to
Speaker 5: that food three months later. So you have to make
Speaker 5: sure that you're watching what you're eating and how you're
Speaker 5: doing it, and being very cognizant of your health and
Speaker 5: what is inside of you, and you are your own
Speaker 5: best doctor. That doctor doesn't know. I mean, they make
Speaker 5: vitamins for one hundred and seventy pound mail the average.
Speaker 5: So if you're a young, petite girl at five for
Speaker 5: two weigh one hundred pounds, you should not be taking
Speaker 5: the dosages on that bottle. And a lot of times,
Speaker 5: like even the vaccines and stuff, they use those big
Speaker 5: dosages for babies and it doesn't make any sense. So
Speaker 5: Western medicine is could do better. And if they did,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that Western medicine can do.
Speaker 5: Diagnostics in this country unbelievable. I would go to a
Speaker 5: Western doctor to find out what was wrong with me.
Speaker 5: Would I use them for the thing? Personally? Not me,
Speaker 5: but but you know, but if I had a broken bone,
Speaker 5: I would go there. They're doing great things with sight
Speaker 5: and things that maybe you know, there's certain things that
Speaker 5: you really can handle with natural medicine that I've found
Speaker 5: and I maybe it's different now, but schizophrenia is one
Speaker 5: and bipolar is another. And so sometimes you do need
Speaker 5: some medical drug somehow. There are ways to do it,
Speaker 5: but it's not stable and it may cause more harm
Speaker 5: in a life than taking the drug. But in very
Speaker 5: rare cases is that true. So, but there's room for everything,
Speaker 5: there's room for not You know, in France, it's really interesting.
Speaker 5: You go and to the doctor and in France they say, okay,
Speaker 5: well you have this. Do you want to take a
Speaker 5: drug or would you like the herb's natural way of
Speaker 5: doing it? So other countries give you a choice. America doesn't.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately, our healthcare is most expensive and we are
Speaker 5: one of the sickest nations.
Speaker 4: Right, that's true.
Speaker 2: Our guest Linda McKenzie. Linda McKenzie, author of Help Yourself
Speaker 2: Here Now your Remedies. So, Linda, how can listeners here's
Speaker 2: to your health contact you directly to speak with you?
Speaker 2: And as I understand that, also, you have your own
Speaker 2: wellness radio network and which I would like you to mention,
Speaker 2: so please tell us how we can listen to your
Speaker 2: network and how we can contact you directly.
Speaker 5: Well, then I'm very proud of that because that's I
Speaker 5: stopped the vitamin company and when we were you know,
Speaker 5: we had to stop it because of the big pharma.
Speaker 5: So I started Healthylife dot net all positive Talk Radio
Speaker 5: ninety in two thousand and two, and we became twenty
Speaker 5: four to seven and we did podcasts on demand and
Speaker 5: live since two thousand and two. So I was a
Speaker 5: pioneer in that way. I had also been data cam
Speaker 5: engineer for eighteen years and then and designing networks you know,
Speaker 5: air to ground radio and all sorts of stuff and
Speaker 5: satellite networks and stuff, and actually helped with AI back
Speaker 5: in the eighties with the generals in the Air Force
Speaker 5: told me, you know you're a woman. We can't put
Speaker 5: you there, we can't say anything about you. I said, hey,
Speaker 5: eat the lasagna. I'm Italian, eat the lasagna. Go and
Speaker 5: help the country, but don't misuse this. And they didn't
Speaker 5: listen to me. But anyway, that's beside the point. So anyway,
Speaker 5: so they can get me at so I started the
Speaker 5: network we are now because the search engines have now
Speaker 5: stopped putting out information. You can't get information on natural
Speaker 5: health anymore, which is another reason I wrote this book.
Speaker 5: And so in the back of the book, I have
Speaker 5: one hundred websites that people can go to the botanical
Speaker 5: societies and so they can get quality information. Unless you
Speaker 5: know the website, you won't get it. So you can
Speaker 5: reach me by Linda at Lynda McKenzie dot net. You
Speaker 5: can also listen to the radio, which goes to one
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy seven million listeners. Because they've stopped Natural Health,
Speaker 5: we've been seeing a big increase on that and so
Speaker 5: almost it was a sixty two percent increase last year,
Speaker 5: thirty seven percent since the beginning of this year more.
Speaker 5: And it's because we're the only station. We do no
Speaker 5: Western medicine, only natural health.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, our guess is Lynda McKenzie. So what these numbers
Speaker 2: you just mentioned, So you're saying, what the listenership in
Speaker 2: healthy your in radio network has increased sixty seven percent
Speaker 2: last year alone.
Speaker 5: Yes, because they can't get any information. The reason is
Speaker 5: because every single one of these search engines, and you
Speaker 5: have to imagine that Amazon runs all the cable for
Speaker 5: a lot of Internet stations and governments and all sorts
Speaker 5: of stuff, and so they have taken that away and
Speaker 5: so there's no place for people to get this information.
Speaker 2: Now, right right, Linda McKenzie, author of Help Yourself Here
Speaker 2: with Natural Remedies, Linda, this is really quite remarkable, and
Speaker 2: once again, do me if i've it gives your contact information.
Speaker 2: Once again for listeners who are just busy getting out
Speaker 2: of their car, are going to go shopping. Where can
Speaker 2: we contact you again?
Speaker 5: You can contact me by email at Linda at Linda
Speaker 5: McKenzie dot net. That's my website. You can listen or
Speaker 5: at healthy life dot net is the radio network, and
Speaker 5: you listen straight from there. You don't there's no apps.
Speaker 5: I wanted everything simple. You just go and point and
Speaker 5: click and there you have it, you know, So you
Speaker 5: can reach me there and at Linda McKenzie dot net.
Speaker 5: There's a plusor of ways to reach me and what
Speaker 5: I do and my lectures and all the things that
Speaker 5: I do right there.
Speaker 2: And Linda, you mentioned in passing that you said you're
Speaker 2: seventy seven years of age.
Speaker 5: I'll be seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you're certainly very energetic, and frankly, you're a
Speaker 2: good advertisement. When you take care of yourself. The payback
Speaker 2: is you have a powerful body. So seven days a
Speaker 2: week you can work and play tennis and play golf
Speaker 2: and garden and enjoy yourself as opposed to other people
Speaker 2: our age. I'm kind of your age who really nice people.
Speaker 2: They're not abusive of themselves, but nor are they good
Speaker 2: with themselves. And all they can do is stay home
Speaker 2: and watch TV because they don't feel well and they
Speaker 2: don't know what to do about it. It's really gotta
Speaker 2: touch you with it. It's very nice to work with
Speaker 2: people who really have such a long track record, such
Speaker 2: as yourself, who actually, again seems so very energetic and vital,
Speaker 2: because really that is the reason you're doing this. You're
Speaker 2: not denying yourself anything. What you're getting is a powerful body.
Speaker 2: So seven days a week you can run hard, well,
Speaker 2: maybe six days a week and one day your rest.
Speaker 2: This is the value of taking care of yourself. Linda
Speaker 2: mackenzie do me favor once again. How can listeners here's
Speaker 2: to your health contact you directly?
Speaker 5: They can reach me at by email from at Linda
Speaker 5: at lyndamckenzie dot net, or go to my website and
Speaker 5: my telephone information is there. I want to say, Joshua,
Speaker 5: thank you for helping to keep health alive for all
Speaker 5: these years. You're an important part of this and we
Speaker 5: have to keep this strong. We have to keep it
Speaker 5: strong because we want to help people.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes we do. And also because we're also stubborn.
Speaker 2: We know these ideas worked. And you get tired of
Speaker 2: people patting you on the head thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you poor dear you just are so dopey, and I've
Speaker 2: always been resentful of that. And it's nice and that now,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason or combination of reasons, more and more
Speaker 2: Americans are now paying attention. That's delightful. I'm thrilled. Our
Speaker 2: guest has been Linda McKenzie. Linda mackenzie author of Help
Speaker 2: Yourself Here with Natural Remedies. Linda has a long track
Speaker 2: record of helping people and again her book is help
Speaker 2: Yourself Here with Natural Remedies, and you can get that everywhere.
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