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David Parrish was in disbelief when he learned 34 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:53.120 that nineteen year old John Bowie's body had been found 35 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:56.480 hanged from a backstop at the local high school's baseball 36 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:01.719 field and the death declared suicide. David had known John 37 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:05.079 and his twin brother since they were boys. He had 38 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:07.760 coached them on the baseball field and welcomed them into 39 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:11.719 his own home for sleepovers with his sons. However, when 40 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:15.719 David learned how John's body was found, he felt compelled 41 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:21.280 to find the facts behind this incomprehensible tragedy. Soon, David 42 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.039 would learn of a brutal incident at a local motel 43 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.520 where John and his brother had been severely beaten by 44 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.800 police officers. The charges filed against those officers and the 45 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:33.919 months of harassment and intimidation John and his brother endured. 46 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:38.400 Few in the utopian community of Columbia, Maryland believed John 47 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.439 would commit such a final act. Like many others, David 48 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.120 wondered how a faithful knight of teens boing off steam 49 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:49.080 could lead to such a tragic end. As law enforcement 50 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.319 failed to find answers and seemed intent on preventing the 51 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:56.199 truth from surfacing, David uncovered a system of cover ups 52 00:02:56.439 --> 00:03:00.360 that could only lead to one conclusion. John's death was 53 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.639 an active murder. The book they were featuring this evening 54 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:08.120 is Losing John, A team's tragic death, a police cover up, 55 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.800 a communities fight for justice, with my special guest author 56 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.000 David Parrish. Welcome to the program, and thank you very 57 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:18.199 much for agreeing to this interview David Parrish. 58 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:21.280 Thank you, Dan for giving me this opportunity to talk 59 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:21.919 about the book. 60 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.879 Thank you so much. As I mentioned, this is one 61 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.199 of the more exciting, infuriating, and heart wrenching stories I've 62 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:33.439 ever read, and thank you so much for sharing it 63 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:39.199 with an audience today. Let's talk about your journey, you 64 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:43.919 and your family's journey to Columbia, Maryland and how you 65 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:47.680 were first acquainted with Mickey John and Sandra Buie. 66 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.840 Okay. I grew up in a blue collar family in 67 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:58.599 rural North Carolina, attended University of North Carolina as a 68 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:04.879 day student, took a job worked in Durham for a while. 69 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:08.039 The job took me to Mississippi, lived there a while, 70 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:10.560 and then we decided, my wife and I, we were 71 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.039 too far from her family in Ohio and my family 72 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:21.160 in North Carolina. So I took a job in Washington, 73 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:26.639 d c. And we were particularly drawn to the community 74 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:28.879 of Columbia, Maryland because it was advertised at the time 75 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:34.680 in the newspapers as New America, where people of all races, 76 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.079 ethnicity's religions lived on the same streets, went to the 77 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:41.639 same schools, worshiped in the same buildings. There was always 78 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:44.439 going to be a twenty percent open space with animals 79 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:49.600 and bike paths and lakes and such. And we decided 80 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:51.240 that's where we wanted to raise our children. And I 81 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:58.000 had two sons. As my sons got into school, I 82 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:03.399 began coaching recor league baseball as a parent coach, and 83 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.240 that was actually how I met the boys. They were 84 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:08.160 on my teams from the time they were eleven years 85 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:12.399 old until they graduated from high school. They were exceptional 86 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:16.199 athletes and they were both also playing varsity ball, baseball, football. 87 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:20.639 They were the kind of kids that other kids wanted 88 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.480 to be liked. They just they had a certain free 89 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:28.439 will about them. And when they graduated from high school, 90 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:34.240 they got scholarships to play baseball and Mickey Booie got 91 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:40.120 a scholarship to play football in North Dakota State. They 92 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:44.240 went to North Dakota and they just decided it was 93 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:45.800 too cold for them. They didn't like it, and so 94 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:52.360 they came home and they began attending the local community 95 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:59.120 college and they were in their second year of college 96 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:04.240 when they and a group of friends decided to rent 97 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:07.199 a room at a motel and catch up your overwinter 98 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:10.879 break and find out about, you know, how each other's 99 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:15.000 lives were going. They had some beer, they made too 100 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.560 much noise, and the police showed up, and that was 101 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:18.759 kind of when the story began. 102 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.600 Now you had heard from a friend of the Buoys 103 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:27.279 that they had been we were back in Columbia, as 104 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:28.879 you had mentioned, You thought that they had got the 105 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.240 scholarships in North Dakota, and you were surprised to hear 106 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.560 that they were back in Columbia. So, being a friend 107 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.920 of the family, you called the house and you talked 108 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.959 to John, and that's when you heard about the story, 109 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:43.959 because at first you said, everything okay, Why did you 110 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.519 leave North Dakota said hey, it was too cold? You said, hey, 111 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.759 the problem with the course and he said, no, no, 112 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:51.079 it was just too cold. Everything else okay, And he said, 113 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.600 well almost, And then he told you of the story 114 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.720 of January fifth, nineteen ninety at the Red Roof in 115 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:01.839 about a mile out of Columbia, Maryland hotel and fourteen 116 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:06.759 teens originally fifteen teens. So tell us who was there 117 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:11.680 besides the twins Mickey and John, And just tell us 118 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:15.199 how innocent this little get together was. What was the 119 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.800 reason for the get together, And just tell us a 120 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:20.639 little bit about what happened. Once there was a noise complaint. 121 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:23.360 Well, people were going to college in a lot of 122 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:25.720 different places and over went a break. It was an 123 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.360 opportunity to get together and catch up on each other's lives. 124 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:33.639 They'd been friends for you know, forever, and so they 125 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:35.560 thought it would be a good idea to get together 126 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.680 at a hotel. Some of them drank beer. They wanted 127 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.360 a place where they could have a beer not be 128 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.240 hassled by their parents or the police. They were playing 129 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:49.120 in the state tutill about midnight or one o'clock, and 130 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:53.680 naturally they didn't think through that they would be bothering 131 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:57.959 other people. And the desk clerk called in the noise complaint, 132 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.199 and first two police officers showed up, and then a 133 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:11.920 swarm of police officers showed up and John basically they explained. 134 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:17.000 The police officers explained that since some of the kids 135 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.959 didn't have IDs, that they were going to have to 136 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:26.600 spend the weekend in jail. Well, John spoke up and said, yeah, right, 137 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:29.920 you can't do that just because we don't have IDs, 138 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:35.080 and it seemed to make the officers angry. He said, 139 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:38.120 let's go outside. One of them so he got up 140 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.399 to go out, but one of the other kids snickered, 141 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:47.200 Chun Coe Korean kid, and when he snickered, the other 142 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.440 officer said sorry talking to him. So the first officer 143 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.399 pushed John back down on the radiator kind of hard, 144 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:58.320 pushed him back up against the wall, and John lifted 145 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.879 his hands up and kind of backed off. They talked 146 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:06.840 to Chung and then the officer picked up grabbed John 147 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.159 by the sleeve and said, you know, now, let's go outside. 148 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:10.840 But when he did, he pulled to so hard that 149 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:15.120 John stumbled, and Micky got up and put his hand 150 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.200 on the officer's arm and said, John, no, don't go 151 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:21.000 outside with him. The officer said, you know, get your 152 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.960 hand off f an arm. Don't you know you can't 153 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:26.919 touch a police officer. So Micky took his hand off 154 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:28.440 and he said, yeah, but where are you taking him 155 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.240 outside where you can hit him and nobody can see. 156 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.480 And this kind of surprised the office. He said, nobody's 157 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:41.440 gonna get hit, and then everything just fell apart. The 158 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:44.240 other officer was a gigantic guy, like six foot seven, 159 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.960 officer Victor Raemer, and he just from behind Mickey. He 160 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.600 put his knight stick around his throat, started choking and 161 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.840 picked him up off the ground. But Mike was a 162 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.639 pretty fiery guy. He was strong. He didn't hit the officer, 163 00:09:57.679 --> 00:09:59.759 but he had to get some air and he just 164 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:02.639 start it's struggling. They fell through the door out on 165 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:10.159 the sidewalk, and John and Mickey never threw a blow. 166 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.279 They're just shouting, what are you guys doing? Are you nuts? 167 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:17.200 Are you crazy? And they just kept getting hit with 168 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:22.639 the billy club with fists. Finally, the large police officer 169 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.600 said to Mickey, you're under arrest, and Mickey just went lamp. 170 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:28.759 He put his hands behind his back, his face down 171 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:36.720 on the sidewalk, and he basically said, you know, tough guys, 172 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:39.840 you know, beating on kids when they can't do anything 173 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.759 about it. And every time he'd say something, he'd get 174 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:47.639 hit again. Well, he's lying face down on the sidewalk, 175 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.960 his hands cuffed behind him, he's getting hit. Other police 176 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.240 officers are showing up, State police are showing up, and 177 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:58.000 things were kind of calming down, but he shouted out again, 178 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:02.799 you know guys, you know, just picking on kids. And 179 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.879 so the big officer Ramer puts his boot on his 180 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.879 face and kind of grounded into the sidewalk like he 181 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:17.600 was grinding out a cigarette. Yeah, it just it was 182 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:18.720 just unbelievable. 183 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.399 Meanwhile, what was going on in the hotel room with 184 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.919 these terrorized kids that had been told by these police officers, 185 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:31.679 one being Pete Wright, which john recognizes at some point 186 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:33.759 when he's in that room. He'd seen him around, So 187 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:38.799 he'd seen that officer before, Victor Ramer and this Ricky Johnson. 188 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.519 What were they doing in the hotel room with the 189 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:43.639 other people. It was Chris, there was some there was 190 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:50.080 still some girls, John's girlfriend, Chonkoh, and a guy named Puffy. 191 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.559 What did the police do in that room at the 192 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.639 same time that they had Mickey and John outside. 193 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.879 Well, they're searching around for any evidence they can find 194 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.559 that would be for anything, and the kids are sitting 195 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.679 over their hands up in the air. They're throwing a 196 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.200 lot of the police are throwing a lot of f 197 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:13.360 bombs around, intimidating the kids. They're shouting at Chung Ko 198 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.519 just because he was Korean, and they're calling him names 199 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:19.720 like ping pong and chewing chewing and ching ching, just 200 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:21.759 kind of out of control things they were. They were 201 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:31.360 clearly excited and nervous the police and they're searching around 202 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:36.399 and Raimer looks under the mattress and he found a 203 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:38.440 pipe that one of the young people had brought. It 204 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:43.000 was like a pipe you could have used for smoking marijuana, 205 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:45.679 and one of the kids had brought it to sort 206 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.039 of brag, but there was no marijuana smoke. It just 207 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.720 he was just showing off. It belonged to somebody he knew. 208 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:58.480 Now, the police tell the the questioned one of the 209 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.799 Jeff Phipp's girlfriend and this is Jeff Phipps is the 210 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.399 guy that was twenty one and took off, but the 211 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:08.759 question his girlfriend and then brought Chong back in and said, 212 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.360 look at you're under arrest, and she put it on 213 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.200 him that it was his pipe and he denies it, 214 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.759 but again he was told he was going to be 215 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:22.240 arrest arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia paraphernalia. Now, meanwhile 216 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:25.799 with Mick and John, Mickey and John, they're taken to 217 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:29.120 the police station and John is talking about getting a 218 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:34.480 police call, a phone call, and Raymer, Victor Ramer's talking 219 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:40.000 about calling their parents. This conversation John and Mickey, what 220 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.559 did John say to Victor Raymer and tell us about 221 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:45.360 the phone call and Sandra's reaction. 222 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.679 Well, Sandra had been waiting up most of the night 223 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.559 because they John and Mickey always called her to let 224 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:57.519 her know when they were coming home, and they hadn't called, 225 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:02.399 and so she's waiting. They finally get the call. John 226 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:06.559 had said, you know, let me call my girlfriend's dad 227 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:09.879 because and take me home because my mother get all upset. 228 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.480 And they said, no, I'm gonna call Raemer said I'll call, 229 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.279 so he called the home and Sandra answered. Well. By 230 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.840 then her next door neighbor, Sylvia Phipps, had already told her, 231 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:24.919 already called her and told her that John and Mickey 232 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.159 had been arrested and the police officer was telling her that, 233 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.200 and she said, well, I know that, and he said, well, 234 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:36.720 I just want you to know they're fine. And John 235 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:39.159 starts screaming. He says, no, we're not fine. We've been 236 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.840 beat up. And he said, I guess you can hear 237 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:47.039 Mickey in the background, and Sandra listened, but she couldn't 238 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:51.080 hear Mickey. And Raemer says, you know he's out of control. 239 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.600 Get him in the cell. And then he just told 240 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:55.320 her there's nothing wrong with your kids. They just need 241 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.600 a drug treatment program. And he hung up. Before he 242 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:04.559 hung up, he said, Sandra asked, you know, tell me 243 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:06.440 when to come get them. I'll come get them. He said, no, 244 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:08.879 they're big boys, they can come. They can walk home, 245 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.679 and you know, it had been a several hours walk 246 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:18.639 and he hung up. Well, the next day, next morning, 247 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.720 one of the friends bring them home and they're all 248 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.440 beat up. I mean their faces. Mickey's almost unrecognizable, John's 249 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.639 mouth bleeding blood, coming out for his teeth. He's got 250 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:33.840 a black eye. Sandra's asking them what happened Sandra and 251 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:38.960 their mother, and they're saying, it's like they're angry, And 252 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.519 it finally comes out that they think that Raymond went 253 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:47.000 back and told them that their mother had said they 254 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.639 could walk home. Well, they sorted that out once he 255 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:52.840 realized that he had put that on her instead of 256 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:58.360 saying that it was something he had said himself. She 257 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:07.799 took photographs and didn't exactly believe them. She was just 258 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.039 taken completely off guard. She said, you had did you 259 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:12.759 have guns? I mean, how can you guys look so 260 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.240 beat up like that and make you said now, we 261 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:20.159 didn't have guns. They just beat a sigma crazy And 262 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.799 finally the dust settled, and she wasn't completely convinced that 263 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:26.720 everything had happened like they said. She just thought it 264 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:31.559 was it was just outrageous. But the dust did finally 265 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.399 settle and she was They were appointed then that she 266 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.679 was listening to them, and they talked it through. 267 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:45.759 Now there's a reverend right now, how does john learn 268 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.360 about Reverend right and how does reverend Reverend Doctor Wright 269 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.320 become involved in this case? 270 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.159 Johnny Mickey wanted to press charges. And there was an 271 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:58.879 article in the newspaper about Reverend Wright being the head 272 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:03.440 of the NAACP, and a very complimentary art article about 273 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.759 things he had accomplished in the community, and so John 274 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.920 contacted him. He sent he took a letter to the 275 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:17.200 church that Reverend Wright ran to ask him to help him. 276 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.839 He went back the next day and the letter was 277 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:23.240 still in the door of the church, so he took 278 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.440 it across the street, put a stamp on the letter, 279 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.160 put it in the person's mailbox, and they got mailed 280 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:32.599 to Reverend Right and Reverend Wright got in touch with him, 281 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:34.920 said it didn't matter that John and Mick were white, 282 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:40.079 that NAACP was willing to represent anybody or help anybody 283 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.440 who had been through that kind of thing. And so 284 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.400 he explained to them how to press charges, and they 285 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.759 pressed charges against the police. They pressed They made complaints 286 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:51.920 at the police department, which was going to lead to 287 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:56.119 a internal affairs review, and they pressed charges at the 288 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:00.480 courthouse that would lead to criminal charges for assault against 289 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.759 the officers. And in the meantime, the officers charged him 290 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.920 with all kinds of things from resisting arrest, I don't know, 291 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:10.960 you name it whatever. They could think of. They actually 292 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:17.400 charged them with possession of drug paraphernalia. No, they accused 293 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:20.319 him of that, but it was chunk covid. They got 294 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.599 charged with the possession of drug parafernilia just because his 295 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:25.799 chunk cald it. 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Almost lost it because she 344 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:10.920 they just didn't seem to have taken it seriously, and 345 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:12.759 she just tried it was trying to keep her cool 346 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:17.720 so that she didn't lose any opportunity to have them 347 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.920 take it seriously. And they asked her another They said 348 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.799 to Mickey, you know, you've got to learn to treat 349 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.480 police officers with respect. And Mickey, being Mickey, you know, 350 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:35.319 he said, oh, forget it. And Sanders said, a bunch 351 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:38.680 of guys give them a lie detector test. And one 352 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:42.680 of the FBI agents said, well, people who are habitual 353 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:45.160 liars know how to take a light detector test. Well, 354 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.200 that really ticked Sander off, but she said, you know, 355 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:49.640 what do you think the odds are that they are 356 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:53.720 fourteen liars in the same motel room. Well, they just 357 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.079 left and that was the end of that. The FBI 358 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:58.279 didn't do anything about it. 359 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:03.240 Right now. Things progressed the early spring. Chang Ko as 360 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:08.079 has his drug paraphernalia charge that trial, and during that 361 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:10.960 he to offset that he went for a drug test 362 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:13.799 as you write, and it was come back negative. Dress 363 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.960 trying to help himself from court. But during that this 364 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.519 officer Raymer, he claims, called him at home asking about 365 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:25.640 those test results. When he told Reverend Right about that, 366 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.200 Reverend Wright said he thought that was interference and an 367 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:35.160 outright illegal act. He also said that Raymer had called 368 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:37.519 and said he could arrange a meeting with the state's 369 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:46.240 attorney and he met with so tell us about this 370 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:51.720 chang Ko and this this trial that he has and 371 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.759 what happens at that trial remarkable. 372 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:59.480 Well, he was Chung was convinced that they were giving 373 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.759 him a heart because he just was not afraid of them, 374 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:09.519 and he went to the trial. He said, what did happened? 375 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:11.400 That the officer had called him at home and said 376 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.640 he could once the officer found out he had a 377 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:15.599 negative blood test, said well, he could put him in 378 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.680 touch with the county prosecutor and maybe they could get 379 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:22.920 the charges dropped. And when they were in the trial, 380 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.880 Chung told this and the judge said, well, the police 381 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:31.559 officer wouldn't do that, and he just blew it off. 382 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:39.039 And when Chung said that the police officer had stuck 383 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:42.519 the night stick in his mouth at the hotel room, 384 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:45.759 he said to the other people in the room laughed. 385 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.440 He said, you know, I just that makes me angry. 386 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:50.799 He said, my family didn't come to America to be 387 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:51.440 treated like that. 388 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.359 At the trial, the results of the pipe in terms 389 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:02.759 of the testing. Oddly enough, the prosecution is not ready 390 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:05.319 to proceed. They said, well they won't have the test back, 391 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.200 so the case is put on this very I've never 392 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.400 heard of this. The case was put on a stet docket, 393 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:16.000 which sets aside the case and it would be dismissed 394 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.799 if he stayed out of trouble for a year. So 395 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.160 I thought, that's incredible. That's the equivalent of being sentenced 396 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.640 without being convicted exactly. 397 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.599 It's just a convenient way of getting things off the 398 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:33.240 books without making any meaningful decision. 399 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.240 Now there's another party that happens, and this Chong his 400 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.319 sister goes out of town. So she says, yeah, you 401 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.599