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<v Speaker 1>The brand new district attorney, just like a previous district

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<v Speaker 1>attorney somewhere else. It's George Brockler of the twenty third

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<v Speaker 1>Judicial District. George, what's it like to be back in

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<v Speaker 1>the saddle as a prosecuting attorney?

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<v Speaker 2>Again, Well, it's a saddle that needs to be broken in,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's some predictable chafing. Otherwise that it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, not many people use the word chafing on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, So well done for breaking that barrier, just

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<v Speaker 1>just tossing it right aside. So this is a brand

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<v Speaker 1>new judicial district and one that I know has been

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<v Speaker 1>needed for a long time because of the growth of

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<v Speaker 1>the area. What's it like being able to build an

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<v Speaker 1>office from the ground up?

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<v Speaker 2>What a great opportunity, but also a little bit daunting too.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like we're still figuring out things like do

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<v Speaker 2>all the computers work? And where did the phone numbers go?

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<v Speaker 2>And what's the shortest way to the bathroom? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we're still doing stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at the same time trying to manage a caseload

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<v Speaker 2>that is not insignificant. I'll give you an example. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I get off the phone with you, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to walk down the hall and participate in the sentencing

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<v Speaker 2>for the very first murder sentencing in the history of

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<v Speaker 2>this jurisdiction. So we have a great team. The county

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<v Speaker 2>commissioners out here in Lincoln, Albert and Douglas have been

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<v Speaker 2>so wonderfully supportive. They are pro public safety, pro law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 2>pro justice. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's what sets them apart from the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>metro area.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that sad? I mean, isn't that sad? George? I

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<v Speaker 1>have a story on the blog to now now you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've ever seen my blog at

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<v Speaker 1>mandy'sblog dot com, but it is magic every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually put a crime story, just a little

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<v Speaker 1>throwaway crime story, because two shoplifters were arrested from Park

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<v Speaker 1>Meadows Mall and I said, that's Douglas County. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>they got arrested. Me, you know, that's why they got arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's nice. I live in this in this judicial district.

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<v Speaker 1>I live with a great sheriff. I live with people

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<v Speaker 1>who care about law and order, And to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>it is disappointing that other municipality buies don't have that

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<v Speaker 1>same support, and the law enforcement officers don't have that

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<v Speaker 1>same support. Because go ahead, I was going to say

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<v Speaker 1>a couple things about that.

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<v Speaker 2>That shoplifter one the very first felony that occurred. That

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<v Speaker 2>the arrest occurred after I was sworn in, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was happening while the swearing in was going on. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one for which there we had done a press release,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was out a Parker and it's similar, and

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<v Speaker 2>that these aren't just people who are thieves. These are

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<v Speaker 2>people who we pursued. And that's the difference too. There

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<v Speaker 2>you see a lot of videos out there of people

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<v Speaker 2>watching folks push shopping carts full of stolen goods out

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<v Speaker 2>into the parking lot and nothing really seems to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>not down here. And the part that you bring up, Manny,

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<v Speaker 2>that's so important is this, had I had this message,

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<v Speaker 2>this if you come down here to victimize us, prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to be incarcerated kind of a thing. If I had

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<v Speaker 2>had that message fifteen years ago, twenty years ago in

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<v Speaker 2>this game, it would have been a total yawn fest

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone would go, that's right, I mean, yep, isn't that.

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<v Speaker 1>What you do? That's your job.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen such a change and it's like the DA's

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<v Speaker 2>offices have become these social support networks instead of law enforcers,

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<v Speaker 2>where we're supposed to fix all of society's ills mental illness,

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<v Speaker 2>drug addiction, broken families. And I think at some point

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<v Speaker 2>we need to have a readjustment and say no, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a different part of government, that's a different part of

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<v Speaker 2>the community. That's not our business. Our business is to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain safety, prevent and protect victims, and to hold people

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<v Speaker 2>accountable who just can't bring themselves to follow the damn law.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, George, nothing you just said, in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind is controversial. And I'm not asking you to

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<v Speaker 1>comment on other das. But DA Beth McCann leaves Denver

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<v Speaker 1>and she kind of broke this glowing review of everything

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<v Speaker 1>she was proud of. And I'm thinking to myself, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in charge of prosecuting crime and the crime rates

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<v Speaker 1>have done what they have done in Denver under my tutelage,

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<v Speaker 1>under my leadership, I would be walking out with my

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<v Speaker 1>head hanging in shame. So to hear you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you understand your job is to hold

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<v Speaker 1>criminals accountable. It is. It shouldn't be strange. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure there's people listening in Denver that thinks you sound

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<v Speaker 1>like some kind of maniac.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not just the da thing. And again, Beth,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure was committed to what she thought was the

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<v Speaker 2>right path for her community, and because they continued to

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<v Speaker 2>re elect her, maybe she was right. You know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but think about this. Those horrible stabbings that took place

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend where two are dead and two more seriously injured.

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<v Speaker 2>Those took place two days after the governor of our

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<v Speaker 2>state in his state of the state identified only three crimes. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>they were wage theft, cattle rustling, and wildlife trafficking. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not what plagues the Metro area.

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<v Speaker 1>Cattle rustling.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Oh yeah, let go back and take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at it. It's bizarre of the things to identify that

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<v Speaker 2>we need to tackle with crime. Cattle rustling? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>the top fifty? Was this because the National Western stocksties

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<v Speaker 2>in town?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, maybe he's pulling bad with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ranchers maybe, you know, because they're all mad

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<v Speaker 1>at him for everything he's done to them. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to feel better now those are going after cattle.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what year is it, George? What are we

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<v Speaker 1>gonna look out for gunfights at the OK Corral at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. And don't get me wrong, I know

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<v Speaker 1>cattle gets stolen. I know that this is an actual crime.

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<v Speaker 1>But to your point, is it the most important crime

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<v Speaker 1>or should we were worrying about mentally all homeless people

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<v Speaker 1>slashing the flight attendant's throats in the sixteenth Street mall instead?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're gonna try to make up for that

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous I'm an impossible meat lover thing that he did,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah a few years ago. Maybe ask the ranchers, would

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<v Speaker 2>you prefer us to tackle cattle rustling or the wolves

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<v Speaker 2>who are eating the cattle? I mean, give them a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, George, I live in Douglas County and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very familiar with the area. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people would say, are you going to be bored in

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<v Speaker 1>this office because you kind of think of the suburbs area,

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<v Speaker 1>the rural parts that you're covering, as well as not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily being a hotbed of criminality. But how does this

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<v Speaker 1>compare to your prior post.

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<v Speaker 2>It's different, and it's different in this way, you know

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<v Speaker 2>where Rappa Hoe County represented two thirds of the population

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<v Speaker 2>of a one point one million population jurisdiction, but half

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<v Speaker 2>of a rapa Hoe County's population is Aurora. And Aurora

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<v Speaker 2>the third most populous city in the state. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>a reason that has the second largest police department, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is, for better or for worse, it generates violent

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<v Speaker 2>crime and other crimes. And so I think we calculated

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<v Speaker 2>before the split about seventy percent of all the felonies

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<v Speaker 2>the jurisdiction prosecuted came out of a Rapahoe County. Sixty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the total came out of Aurora itself. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>So we are naturally going to be able to now

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<v Speaker 2>focus on those other crimes that you have to prioritize

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<v Speaker 2>down the list when you have truckloads full of violent crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Get me wrong, we have some down here. But now

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<v Speaker 2>we're able to try to stem the tide at an

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<v Speaker 2>earlier level. And I'm a believer in this, if we

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<v Speaker 2>send the message loud and clear, early and often and

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<v Speaker 2>consistently that if you come down here to break the

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<v Speaker 2>law and victimizes, you'll be held accountable. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>don't get all that violent crime that Aurora and a

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<v Speaker 2>rapa Hoe and Denver and Adams have had.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you saw the mayor, Mayor Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Johnston's press conference after the murders this past weekend where

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<v Speaker 1>he spent eight seconds and that's not an exaggeration giving

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<v Speaker 1>condolences to the families the victims, before he launched into

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<v Speaker 1>a pr campaign about how much Denver has improved. And

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<v Speaker 1>the real problem is is we're just not giving it

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<v Speaker 1>the chance because we've got a misperception of what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on now. If what he had said was what you

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<v Speaker 1>just said, it would be a completely different situation in Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>If he had come out and said exactly what you said,

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<v Speaker 1>We're done. We're going to prosecute you. If you break

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<v Speaker 1>the law, We're going to prosecute quality of lime, quality

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<v Speaker 1>of life crimes. I mean, it's like we're operating in

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<v Speaker 1>two different planets. It truly is, George.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an awesome video that the Parker PD put out

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<v Speaker 2>right before the swearing in, and it was a guy

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<v Speaker 2>his faces blurred out. Of course, he's presumed innocent. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know who he is, but it's Parker PD ushering

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<v Speaker 2>this guy into the back of a patrol car over

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<v Speaker 2>the theft of a couple stolen phones. And he's a

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<v Speaker 2>gast and he said, this is on social media. You

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<v Speaker 2>might play this thing. And he says, this is a ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a joke. You're ruining my Friday night. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't even a thing in Denver. And you can

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<v Speaker 2>hear the cop go, yeah, well you're down here in

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<v Speaker 2>Parker and he goes, this is why I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't come to Douglass County.

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<v Speaker 2>And I told the chief we need more of these,

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<v Speaker 2>we need we need a whole YouTube channel just dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm finding that right now. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>find that and at.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh PD look for I think it's on the Parker

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<v Speaker 2>PD twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, so I will look for that on the Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>But oh man, it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they they I will make sure we

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<v Speaker 1>get that. But that's actually that. It makes me incredibly happy.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me incredibly happy that people will think twice

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<v Speaker 1>about coming to Douglas County. How much of the issues

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<v Speaker 1>that we're seeing in Aurora in terms of gang activity

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<v Speaker 1>have you? Are you aware of that making its way

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<v Speaker 1>into Douglas County at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah. In fact, you know, if you talk to

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<v Speaker 2>Shrip Darren weekly, I mean, he's just the best at

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<v Speaker 2>what he does. They shortly after that story started getting

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<v Speaker 2>the attention it deserved. About a year earlier, they busted

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<v Speaker 2>up a Venezuelan coordinated effort to steal a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of cars down here. And we're going to start keep

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<v Speaker 2>mapping the crime that we end up catching and resolving

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<v Speaker 2>down here. Shock no one, Because I did this in

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<v Speaker 2>a test case about a year ago. It should shock

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<v Speaker 2>no one that the home of origin for many, many

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<v Speaker 2>of our criminals is not here. It is Aurora, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is Denver. And that's what we got to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, George Brockler, if you could, and before we go,

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<v Speaker 1>how would you describe your judicial philosophy?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this didn't come out in this interview, but I'll

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<v Speaker 2>say this. Look, I'm a Christian guy. I'm not good

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<v Speaker 2>at it. I'm constantly trying to improve, But I believe

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<v Speaker 2>in redemption. I truly believe in redemption. But there cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be redemption without accountability. And for us down here, our

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<v Speaker 2>job is to try to change behavior. One. We'd love

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<v Speaker 2>you to never break the law. That's our first and

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<v Speaker 2>best goal. But if you are hell bent on breaking

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<v Speaker 2>the law, our next best goal is to discourage you

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<v Speaker 2>from doing it down here. And our third goal is

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<v Speaker 2>if you come down here to do it, We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you reason to never do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. George Brockler, the new DA of the

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<v Speaker 1>third Judicial District. I'm super happy. I just we're about

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<v Speaker 1>to see a real time experiment, in real life unfolding

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<v Speaker 1>of what it looks like when an entire group of leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's the Douglas County Commission, whether it's law enforcement agencies,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's the twenty third Judicial District, when they all

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<v Speaker 1>work together to fight crime next to areas that simply

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<v Speaker 1>don't follow that same standard. And I'm I'm here for

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<v Speaker 1>it because I know which side of the line I'm

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<v Speaker 1>living on. And I'm pretty happy about that. George. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you making time for me today.

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<v Speaker 2>I just texted you the link to that stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh perfect, Thank you, sir, Thank you sir. We'll play that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no problem, and I'll talk to you again soon, George,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that very much. We will. Yeah, golly,